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In delving through Reuters-Ipsos’ polling archives I stumbled across a survey asking respondents whether or not they agreed with the statement “young black people in America will use any excuse to riot and loot”. The poll was conducted from the beginning of May through mid-August of 2015. To put it in proper context, recall that Freddie Gray died April 25th, less than a week prior to the poll’s commencement. Z-Man’s neighbors subsequently smashed and burned parts of what remained of Baltimore to the ground with the blessing of the mayor who infamously explained that the city “gave those who wished to destroy space to do that”.

The results shown exclude “neither agree nor disagree” responses, constituting 26.3% of the total. The percentages who agreed that young blacks will riot and loot on any excuse among the 74.7% who expressed an opinion:

Majorities across the board, excepting blacks and Democrats–though even among non-black Democrats, more agree than disagree.

 
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  1. Black Lives Riot.

  2. Blacks are reversionaries. They are reverting to their jungle nature without the crack of the whip.

    • Replies: @216
    @Priss Factor

    And yet, it was talented tenth mulatto Arab-looking Kapernick that did the most damage by humiliating Boomercon sportsball fans.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

  3. It’s true, and not just within blacks.

    Inside of every third worlder “assimilated” to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it’s always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.

    While in Indians it’s just nepotism and not taking care of your property, for negroes it’s acting violently and thuggishly. The best non-whites can do is model themselves after average, conservative suburban whites. But as more and more of their own kind come over, they revert to the “home country” style of behaviour.

    You see this among whites too, just not as pronounced. Most white trash is Irish or scots-irish, for instance.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Inside of every third worlder “assimilated” to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it’s always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.
     
    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn't pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Tony, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie, @Hippopotamusdrome, @MikeatMikedotMike, @RadicalCenter

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Libertarians wept.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    "Most white trash is Irish or scots-irish, for instance."

    As someone of both Irish and Scots-Irish heritage I take that as a compliment.

    , @LostHopeless
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    When you have supposedly "genius" dotheads engaging in rampant ethnic nepotism [and discrimination against whites and non-dots] you know this is very very true. You can take them out the 3rd world but you cannot take the 3rd world outta them [irrespective of their IQ]. Clan loyalty first and foremost.

    Plus with increasing "ethnic" populations, they'd not even pretend to assimilate like their predecessors did. Redmond VA and the east side of Seattle is a strange mix of Calcutta and Chongqing with all the resultant vibrancy one can expect. You hardly hear any English and if you are white, you are made to feel unwelcome.

    benvenuto in America.
    And you anglos thought us sicilians were bad! At least most of us are making an effort in our personal capacity to counter them (as we understand nepotism better and can spot it when we see it at play). These groups will do us in, in ways in which we've never been done in before.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Anonymous

  4. People think it’s all political, but most of these guys just join these riots in order to get on TV get a TV.

  5. It’s amazing to see almost 60% of all respondents with an opinion willing to call TNB, TNB.

    But will this ever give us a political mandate to DO anything about it?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Mr. Rational


    But will this ever give us a political mandate to DO anything about it?
     
    Not without an independent and honest media. Our MSM propaganda organs lie about negro behavior 24/7. Colin Flaherty has made a second career just cataloguing it. So first the media must die and then a politician who has some sack must step forward to endure the name calling, threats, and eventual negro violence (proving the case) in anger that someone is finally calling them on their feral nature.

    By that time, our fiat currency debt based “service economy” will have gone kaput and the negroes will be rioting and looting daily anyway. Like Detriot in ‘67, Airborne Rangers will be doing riot control. Let’s hope that this time repatriation follows.
  6. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It's true, and not just within blacks.

    Inside of every third worlder "assimilated" to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it's always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.

    While in Indians it's just nepotism and not taking care of your property, for negroes it's acting violently and thuggishly. The best non-whites can do is model themselves after average, conservative suburban whites. But as more and more of their own kind come over, they revert to the "home country" style of behaviour.

    You see this among whites too, just not as pronounced. Most white trash is Irish or scots-irish, for instance.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Audacious Epigone, @SunBakedSuburb, @LostHopeless

    Inside of every third worlder “assimilated” to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it’s always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.

    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn’t pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Thomm

    Alright... and that's almost completely unrelated to my point. Inside every Northern European there is a Northern European waiting to break out.

    From the current standing of places, the West is civilized, and the 3rd world is not. If it weren't, Indians would be staying at home, building up their own country. Northern Europeans have built the best countries with the best cultures, and that stands today, regardless of what Julius Caesar wrote eons ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Bardon Kaldian, @22pp22

    , @Tony
    @Thomm

    Yeah I know what you mean. Every time I see a Scandanavian walking towards me I keep one hand on my wallet and the other hand on my gun.

    Replies: @Thomm

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Thomm


    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire.
     
    Well, the Low Countries and Scandinavia did pioneer "marriage equality". If that's not a rejection of civilization, I don't know what is.
    , @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn’t pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).
     
    1. Eastern Europe is typically not a part of what is usually described as the West.

    2. Modern science was invented in the West starting with the Renaissance c. 15th century and on. Although certain Chinese inventions were more advanced until much later (e.g. bulkheads in ships, natural gas extraction, etc.), Westerners came up with something much more valuable - a systematic way to think about the world.

    I am usually the one who pushes back against the idea of permanent/inevitable Western superiority around these parts since history clearly shows that dominance shifted from one part to another and yet another and so on throughout Eurasia. But your dismissal and minimization of the Rise of the West are just as flawed.

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.
     
    Tacitus had some nice things to say about the Germans and in parts described them as more virtuous than the Romans of his day. Do you describe blacks as more virtuous than whites and Asians? Bastardy statistics seem to belie this.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Thomm



    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn’t pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century

     

    Like when the Chinese admiral Zeng He who in 1552 sailed to Spain and established an embassy of Shinto priests to teach Europeans arts and science, before sailing on to become the first man to circumnavigate the Earth.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Thomm

    http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/63/6334/TXV7100Z/posters/did-you-eat-a-bowl-of-stupid-for-breakfast-funny-poster.jpg

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Thomm

    History since then proved Caesar wrong.

    Has history similarly given the lie to the generalization about Africans' greater propensity towards non-defensive chaos and violence within a society?

  7. But will this ever give us a political mandate to DO anything about it?

    Paul Krugman had a recent column I rate as an A+. He says that the libertarian/neolib quadrant is devoid of voters but has plenty of representation, while the ‘racist populist’ quadrant has lots of voters but no representation. (Krugman explains that Trump is a real racist but a fake populist, judging by his administration’s results).

  8. @Thomm
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Inside of every third worlder “assimilated” to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it’s always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.
     
    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn't pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Tony, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie, @Hippopotamusdrome, @MikeatMikedotMike, @RadicalCenter

    Alright… and that’s almost completely unrelated to my point. Inside every Northern European there is a Northern European waiting to break out.

    From the current standing of places, the West is civilized, and the 3rd world is not. If it weren’t, Indians would be staying at home, building up their own country. Northern Europeans have built the best countries with the best cultures, and that stands today, regardless of what Julius Caesar wrote eons ago.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Inside every Indian is a Jain waiting to break out.


    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11796364.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Holy-man-pulls-a-vehicle-with-his-penis-Allahabad-India-03-Jan-2018.jpg

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian



    regardless of what Julius Caesar wrote eons ago

     

    You mean the part where Celts broke into Caesar's carriage and stole his lyre?

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/an-open-letter-to-cuckservatives/

    An Open Letter to Cuckservatives

    ...........................


    Let’s consider your principles. Do you dream of a traditional, religious, free-market society with small government, low taxes, and no gun control, where same-sex marriage is illegal, and abortion, divorce, prostitution, and illegitimacy are scorned? There are such places: the tribal areas of Pakistan and Somalia.

    And what about countries that violate your principles–with high taxes, huge government, clogged markets, a weak church, strict gun control, and sexual license of all kinds?
    There’s Scandinavia. And yet if you had to leave the United States you’d much rather live in Denmark than in Waziristan.

    Do you see the pattern? Even when they violate your principles, white people build good societies. Even when they abide by your principles, non-whites usually don’t.

    We see that in America. Can you think of a majority non-white neighborhood you’d like to live in, or a majority non-white school you’d like your children to attend? No, you can’t. Why, then, don’t you fight with all your strength against the forces of immigration and integration that are turning ever-greater parts of your county into Third-World wastelands?
     

    Replies: @2stateshmustate

    , @22pp22
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Read Tacitus

  9. Man looking out window: “Quiet down guys, I’m trying to study!”

    It’s some Asian guy saying: “Hey, Hey! This is Baltimore!” and then he thinks a moment and says “Oh never mind. This is Baltimore.”

  10. Oh Liam, where would we be if every white man chose to avenge black crime?

    We’d have a society entirely without black people, that’s what we’d have.

    And no one wants that, right? Right? So think before you speak pls.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6669245/Liam-Neeson-appears-Good-Morning-America-insist-hes-NOT-racist.html

  11. @Thomm
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Inside of every third worlder “assimilated” to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it’s always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.
     
    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn't pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Tony, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie, @Hippopotamusdrome, @MikeatMikedotMike, @RadicalCenter

    Yeah I know what you mean. Every time I see a Scandanavian walking towards me I keep one hand on my wallet and the other hand on my gun.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Tony

    Predictably, you failed to understand my basic point.

    The point is : The Protestant value system, not 'whiteness', is the reason for the West's success. If it were due to race, then the West would have pulled ahead long before the 19th century. Furthermore, Russia and Ukraine would not be places that are underperforming the West by so much.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  12. Brings to mind the recently viral Wally, the house-dwelling alligator. Wally is supposedly domesticated, but I see through Wally. (Much the same as in The Heartbreak Kid, where Eddie Albert “sees through” Charles Grodin.) In truth, Wally knows that he can, and will, make a meal of his decent owner. Certain groups in this country are just like Wally. Knockout gamers. Nancy Pelosi and company. Deep State. Harvard admissions office, thuggilly making a meal out of applicants who are decent.

  13. To me the most glaring differences are:

    1) Jews vs. everyone else (minus blacks, obviously).
    2) Men vs. women, and
    3) No college degree vs. college degree.

    I wonder how much of gaps in these three categories are simply that of stated preferences vs. revealed preferences…

  14. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Thomm

    Alright... and that's almost completely unrelated to my point. Inside every Northern European there is a Northern European waiting to break out.

    From the current standing of places, the West is civilized, and the 3rd world is not. If it weren't, Indians would be staying at home, building up their own country. Northern Europeans have built the best countries with the best cultures, and that stands today, regardless of what Julius Caesar wrote eons ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Bardon Kaldian, @22pp22

    Inside every Indian is a Jain waiting to break out.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Reg Cæsar

    This photo was taken in Fresno, March 2018.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  15. @Thomm
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Inside of every third worlder “assimilated” to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it’s always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.
     
    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn't pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Tony, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie, @Hippopotamusdrome, @MikeatMikedotMike, @RadicalCenter

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire.

    Well, the Low Countries and Scandinavia did pioneer “marriage equality”. If that’s not a rejection of civilization, I don’t know what is.

  16. @Tony
    @Thomm

    Yeah I know what you mean. Every time I see a Scandanavian walking towards me I keep one hand on my wallet and the other hand on my gun.

    Replies: @Thomm

    Predictably, you failed to understand my basic point.

    The point is : The Protestant value system, not ‘whiteness’, is the reason for the West’s success. If it were due to race, then the West would have pulled ahead long before the 19th century. Furthermore, Russia and Ukraine would not be places that are underperforming the West by so much.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    The Protestant value system
     
    Was it the Protestant value system that led the Italians to launch the Renaissance or for the Spaniards and the Portuguese to create unprecedented maritime empires?
  17. @Thomm
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Inside of every third worlder “assimilated” to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it’s always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.
     
    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn't pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Tony, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie, @Hippopotamusdrome, @MikeatMikedotMike, @RadicalCenter

    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn’t pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).

    1. Eastern Europe is typically not a part of what is usually described as the West.

    2. Modern science was invented in the West starting with the Renaissance c. 15th century and on. Although certain Chinese inventions were more advanced until much later (e.g. bulkheads in ships, natural gas extraction, etc.), Westerners came up with something much more valuable – a systematic way to think about the world.

    I am usually the one who pushes back against the idea of permanent/inevitable Western superiority around these parts since history clearly shows that dominance shifted from one part to another and yet another and so on throughout Eurasia. But your dismissal and minimization of the Rise of the West are just as flawed.

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.

    Tacitus had some nice things to say about the Germans and in parts described them as more virtuous than the Romans of his day. Do you describe blacks as more virtuous than whites and Asians? Bastardy statistics seem to belie this.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Twinkie


    Tacitus had some nice things to say about the Germans and in parts described them as more virtuous than the Romans of his day.
     
    If I remember correctly he also described blacks as more intelligent.
  18. Laughing. I would love to believe that. But history has quite a different tale to tell, about the fondness for public mass violence based on rather peculiar and often shallow motivations, given the dominant society is the power position.

    But I get it. Feel the need to use any construct to get those votes — I thought we opposed identity politics.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    Identity politics can be opposed in a country that looks like the US did in 1950. To oppose it now is to unilaterally disarm.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc., @SunBakedSuburb, @Twinkie, @LostHopeless

  19. The percentages who agreed that young blacks will riot and loot on any excuse among the 74.7% who expressed as opinion:

    Let me see if I have this straight.

    Someone calls me. They know who I am and where I live, potentially where I work and what I do there. They ask me if I think young negroes will “riot and loot on any excuse”?

    And 74.7% of the people called expressed an opinion? 66% of the whites said “yes”?

    This doesn’t strike me as very plausible. I know exactly nobody who would make such an admission to a random stranger on the phone.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Stan d Mute

    Agreed, but then to start out we're talking about people who answer their phones not knowing who's on the line... I think I'll stick with Rasmussen ;)

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Stan d Mute

    The R-I surveys are conducted online with the assurance of anonymity. I tend to think the "Bradley effect" dynamics tend to be greatly overstated. But I would want that to be the case now wouldn't I?

  20. @Mr. Rational
    It's amazing to see almost 60% of all respondents with an opinion willing to call TNB, TNB.

    But will this ever give us a political mandate to DO anything about it?

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    But will this ever give us a political mandate to DO anything about it?

    Not without an independent and honest media. Our MSM propaganda organs lie about negro behavior 24/7. Colin Flaherty has made a second career just cataloguing it. So first the media must die and then a politician who has some sack must step forward to endure the name calling, threats, and eventual negro violence (proving the case) in anger that someone is finally calling them on their feral nature.

    By that time, our fiat currency debt based “service economy” will have gone kaput and the negroes will be rioting and looting daily anyway. Like Detriot in ‘67, Airborne Rangers will be doing riot control. Let’s hope that this time repatriation follows.

  21. @Stan d Mute

    The percentages who agreed that young blacks will riot and loot on any excuse among the 74.7% who expressed as opinion:
     
    Let me see if I have this straight.

    Someone calls me. They know who I am and where I live, potentially where I work and what I do there. They ask me if I think young negroes will “riot and loot on any excuse”?

    And 74.7% of the people called expressed an opinion? 66% of the whites said “yes”?

    This doesn’t strike me as very plausible. I know exactly nobody who would make such an admission to a random stranger on the phone.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Audacious Epigone

    Agreed, but then to start out we’re talking about people who answer their phones not knowing who’s on the line… I think I’ll stick with Rasmussen 😉

  22. @Thomm
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Inside of every third worlder “assimilated” to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it’s always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.
     
    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn't pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Tony, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie, @Hippopotamusdrome, @MikeatMikedotMike, @RadicalCenter

    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn’t pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century

    Like when the Chinese admiral Zeng He who in 1552 sailed to Spain and established an embassy of Shinto priests to teach Europeans arts and science, before sailing on to become the first man to circumnavigate the Earth.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    I get your point, but Chinese Shinto priests? Are you just trying to be absurd?

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

  23. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Thomm

    Alright... and that's almost completely unrelated to my point. Inside every Northern European there is a Northern European waiting to break out.

    From the current standing of places, the West is civilized, and the 3rd world is not. If it weren't, Indians would be staying at home, building up their own country. Northern Europeans have built the best countries with the best cultures, and that stands today, regardless of what Julius Caesar wrote eons ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Bardon Kaldian, @22pp22

    regardless of what Julius Caesar wrote eons ago

    You mean the part where Celts broke into Caesar’s carriage and stole his lyre?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    I wish someone would break into Trump's White House and steal HIS liar (Kushner).

  24. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Thomm

    Alright... and that's almost completely unrelated to my point. Inside every Northern European there is a Northern European waiting to break out.

    From the current standing of places, the West is civilized, and the 3rd world is not. If it weren't, Indians would be staying at home, building up their own country. Northern Europeans have built the best countries with the best cultures, and that stands today, regardless of what Julius Caesar wrote eons ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Bardon Kaldian, @22pp22

    https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/an-open-letter-to-cuckservatives/

    An Open Letter to Cuckservatives

    ………………………

    Let’s consider your principles. Do you dream of a traditional, religious, free-market society with small government, low taxes, and no gun control, where same-sex marriage is illegal, and abortion, divorce, prostitution, and illegitimacy are scorned? There are such places: the tribal areas of Pakistan and Somalia.

    And what about countries that violate your principles–with high taxes, huge government, clogged markets, a weak church, strict gun control, and sexual license of all kinds?
    There’s Scandinavia. And yet if you had to leave the United States you’d much rather live in Denmark than in Waziristan.

    Do you see the pattern? Even when they violate your principles, white people build good societies. Even when they abide by your principles, non-whites usually don’t.

    We see that in America. Can you think of a majority non-white neighborhood you’d like to live in, or a majority non-white school you’d like your children to attend? No, you can’t. Why, then, don’t you fight with all your strength against the forces of immigration and integration that are turning ever-greater parts of your county into Third-World wastelands?

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I don't think I'd be too worried if my children were attending a Japanese school.

  25. Kold Warrior Kamala

    She’s gunning hard for the neocon vote here. Don’t be surprised to see them back her, as she has never taken a clear foreign policy stance.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @216

    Kamala Harris is the candidate of the Babylonian System.

  26. @Priss Factor
    Blacks are reversionaries. They are reverting to their jungle nature without the crack of the whip.

    Replies: @216

    And yet, it was talented tenth mulatto Arab-looking Kapernick that did the most damage by humiliating Boomercon sportsball fans.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @216

    " ... Boomercon sportsball fans."

    White men, Boomers or not, who spend hours watching young blacks in tight shiny outfits playing with their balls need to do a bit of soul-searching. You are the problem, dumbasses.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @RadicalCenter

  27. Baltimore Gots A Lot Of Blacks — Baltimore Used To Have Krauts Galore — Not Anymore!

    Where have all the Krauts gone?

    Out Of Africa.

    Obama and the Democrat Party and the corporate propaganda apparatus riled up the Blacks in Baltimore and many other cities, and the Blacks rioted like bastards. It don’t take much to get Blacks in a riotous mood, and I guess the new strategy is to let them burn off some steam in a kettle of sorts. Obama lives in a wealthy part of Swamp City DC, so he won’t be anywhere near the Blacks rioting in their specially designated kettlization zones.

    Drop bales of pot into the kettlization zones of rioting Blacks, and maybe play some Jimmy Cliff, and that should calm the Blacks down some. Tell them you’ll give them some delicious cold beer if they behave themselves. Rioting makes you thirsty!

    It seems that an IQ of about 85 would leave a person highly susceptible to crowd poisoning to an extent that many persons of that IQ level felt compelled to join in the rioting.

    Tweets from 2015:

  28. Obama and the media shysters and the Democrat Party ruling class know how easy it is to get the Blacks to riot. They did it anyway for political purposes. That’s cynical!

    Blacks were rioting in Baltimore and Merkel was waving in the Third Worlders into Europe like a drunk third base coach giving the windmill sign to base runners.

    Tweets from 2015:

  29. To me, the real revelation is that 32% of blacks and 46.5 % of Democrats agreed.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @J1234

    There are plenty of honest people out there. That explains the black number - ashamed but honest. As for the D's. they do know the blacks are the first to riot, so that's why it's important to have the Government spend lots of money to come up with a solution to this, be it more welfare, busing, midnight basketball, morning basketball, noontime basketball ... (those last ones are probably our best bet, too)

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Audacious Epigone

  30. @J1234
    To me, the real revelation is that 32% of blacks and 46.5 % of Democrats agreed.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    There are plenty of honest people out there. That explains the black number – ashamed but honest. As for the D’s. they do know the blacks are the first to riot, so that’s why it’s important to have the Government spend lots of money to come up with a solution to this, be it more welfare, busing, midnight basketball, morning basketball, noontime basketball … (those last ones are probably our best bet, too)

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't forget about the naked pleading "leaders" of the black community direct at blacks before events or holidays where large numbers of blacks are anticipated to attend or celebrate.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "ashamed but honest"

    It beats what a sizable percentage of whites--probably comparable to the black share here, maybe higher--will say to negatively characterize whites, even if those characterizations are shamefully *dishonest*.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  31. @Thomm
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Inside of every third worlder “assimilated” to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it’s always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.
     
    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn't pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Tony, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie, @Hippopotamusdrome, @MikeatMikedotMike, @RadicalCenter

  32. @Achmed E. Newman
    @J1234

    There are plenty of honest people out there. That explains the black number - ashamed but honest. As for the D's. they do know the blacks are the first to riot, so that's why it's important to have the Government spend lots of money to come up with a solution to this, be it more welfare, busing, midnight basketball, morning basketball, noontime basketball ... (those last ones are probably our best bet, too)

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Audacious Epigone

    Don’t forget about the naked pleading “leaders” of the black community direct at blacks before events or holidays where large numbers of blacks are anticipated to attend or celebrate.

  33. These numbers would be even more inflated if much of the rioting and so-called wilding committed by black youth were not willfully suppressed by the media. I am speculating that many of those polled aren’t even aware of how bad it has become.

    If you follow websites that focus on the localized criminality like I do (Second City Cop,Crime in Boystown/Wrigleyville and heyjackass.com [you might like HJ, Aud, 95% data mining]) you will get a much better idea of how much black crime is out of control in your nearest major metro area and that the authorities have effectively stopped trying to manage it, out of fear of being called the Big R.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Ha, that's a great resource for Chicago crime stats. Looks like the proprietors have a great sense of humor, too ('shot-in-the-junk-o-meter').

  34. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It's true, and not just within blacks.

    Inside of every third worlder "assimilated" to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it's always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.

    While in Indians it's just nepotism and not taking care of your property, for negroes it's acting violently and thuggishly. The best non-whites can do is model themselves after average, conservative suburban whites. But as more and more of their own kind come over, they revert to the "home country" style of behaviour.

    You see this among whites too, just not as pronounced. Most white trash is Irish or scots-irish, for instance.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Audacious Epigone, @SunBakedSuburb, @LostHopeless

    Libertarians wept.

  35. @EliteCommInc.
    Laughing. I would love to believe that. But history has quite a different tale to tell, about the fondness for public mass violence based on rather peculiar and often shallow motivations, given the dominant society is the power position.


    But I get it. Feel the need to use any construct to get those votes -- I thought we opposed identity politics.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Identity politics can be opposed in a country that looks like the US did in 1950. To oppose it now is to unilaterally disarm.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    It is my position that tackling the issues as the issues is a much healthier way forward. Seems odd to bemoan the very tactic that brought us hear and odder to make sure it remains.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Audacious Epigone, @MikeatMikedotMike

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Audacious Epigone

    Yep. I despise identity politics; any sane, rational person does. It is the path to civil war. Now, after decades of whites peacefully ceding power, step by step, the POC hordes demand subjugation. President Kamala Harris will institute racial truth and reconciliation commissions beginning summer 2021.

    , @Twinkie
    @Audacious Epigone


    Identity politics
     
    Always the complicated question is, “Fine, but what do you mean identity?” For some people, it might be just race, but for others it’s citizenship, religion, ethnicity, politics, ideology, etc.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @LostHopeless
    @Audacious Epigone

    Or we can do it the other way., We should make sure to X the 'dystopian quotient' by a factor of 100. The sooner something 'breaks out' the better it is for heritage americans as well as those who are living under the jackboot of the empire. It is the only genuine 'humane' way forward to actually preserving the various cultures of the world and keeping the US from becoming yet another shithole like the ones from which they seek escape.
    Else if the state of the union continues trudging along as it is, we can be sure of becoming the [dis]United States of MexChIndia sooner than we think, then the games up.

  36. @Stan d Mute

    The percentages who agreed that young blacks will riot and loot on any excuse among the 74.7% who expressed as opinion:
     
    Let me see if I have this straight.

    Someone calls me. They know who I am and where I live, potentially where I work and what I do there. They ask me if I think young negroes will “riot and loot on any excuse”?

    And 74.7% of the people called expressed an opinion? 66% of the whites said “yes”?

    This doesn’t strike me as very plausible. I know exactly nobody who would make such an admission to a random stranger on the phone.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Audacious Epigone

    The R-I surveys are conducted online with the assurance of anonymity. I tend to think the “Bradley effect” dynamics tend to be greatly overstated. But I would want that to be the case now wouldn’t I?

  37. @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    Identity politics can be opposed in a country that looks like the US did in 1950. To oppose it now is to unilaterally disarm.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc., @SunBakedSuburb, @Twinkie, @LostHopeless

    It is my position that tackling the issues as the issues is a much healthier way forward. Seems odd to bemoan the very tactic that brought us hear and odder to make sure it remains.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @EliteCommInc.

    Okay, Corvinus.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    Demography is the issue. To ignore it is to try and figure out how to get the water out of a ship without first plugging the leak that is causing it to take on water.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    @EliteCommInc.

    That is your position because you are a goofy old blank slating boomer, who seems to think anyone else reading gives a shit whether or not you are laughing, (you may think you're laughing with yourself, but you're actually laughing at yourself,) that hasn't yet figured out that the last 50 years of conservative strategy has amounted to nothing more than giving away the farm. Enjoy the America you helped create and be quiet.

  38. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It's true, and not just within blacks.

    Inside of every third worlder "assimilated" to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it's always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.

    While in Indians it's just nepotism and not taking care of your property, for negroes it's acting violently and thuggishly. The best non-whites can do is model themselves after average, conservative suburban whites. But as more and more of their own kind come over, they revert to the "home country" style of behaviour.

    You see this among whites too, just not as pronounced. Most white trash is Irish or scots-irish, for instance.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Audacious Epigone, @SunBakedSuburb, @LostHopeless

    “Most white trash is Irish or scots-irish, for instance.”

    As someone of both Irish and Scots-Irish heritage I take that as a compliment.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  39. @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    It is my position that tackling the issues as the issues is a much healthier way forward. Seems odd to bemoan the very tactic that brought us hear and odder to make sure it remains.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Audacious Epigone, @MikeatMikedotMike

    Okay, Corvinus.

  40. @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    Identity politics can be opposed in a country that looks like the US did in 1950. To oppose it now is to unilaterally disarm.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc., @SunBakedSuburb, @Twinkie, @LostHopeless

    Yep. I despise identity politics; any sane, rational person does. It is the path to civil war. Now, after decades of whites peacefully ceding power, step by step, the POC hordes demand subjugation. President Kamala Harris will institute racial truth and reconciliation commissions beginning summer 2021.

  41. @216
    @Priss Factor

    And yet, it was talented tenth mulatto Arab-looking Kapernick that did the most damage by humiliating Boomercon sportsball fans.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    ” … Boomercon sportsball fans.”

    White men, Boomers or not, who spend hours watching young blacks in tight shiny outfits playing with their balls need to do a bit of soul-searching. You are the problem, dumbasses.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @SunBakedSuburb

    "White men, Boomers or not, who spend hours watching young blacks in tight shiny outfits playing with their balls need to do a bit of soul-searching. You are the problem, dumbasses."

    Actually, you really need to take look in the mirror. Masculine men love sports and competition. It's in our nature.

    Replies: @216, @RadicalCenter, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @RadicalCenter
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Heartily agreed. There's something self-hating and vaguely homosexual about it, too.

  42. @216
    Kold Warrior Kamala

    https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1092938170956693504

    She's gunning hard for the neocon vote here. Don't be surprised to see them back her, as she has never taken a clear foreign policy stance.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    Kamala Harris is the candidate of the Babylonian System.

  43. @Reg Cæsar
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Inside every Indian is a Jain waiting to break out.


    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11796364.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Holy-man-pulls-a-vehicle-with-his-penis-Allahabad-India-03-Jan-2018.jpg

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    This photo was taken in Fresno, March 2018.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @SunBakedSuburb


    This photo was taken in Fresno, March 2018.

     

    Theseguys don't look Hmong.
  44. “The results shown exclude “neither agree nor disagree” responses, constituting 26.3% of the total.”

    Here is the real data, not your overinflated “results”.

    OVERALL
    8,670 Responses
    Agree 43.8%
    Disagree 29.9%
    Neither agree nor disagree 26.3%

    Of course, one ought to ask follow up questions to ascertain the reasons behind the “agree” and “disagree”.

    “Identity politics can be opposed in a country that looks like the US did in 1950. To oppose it now is to unilaterally disarm.”

    Except it is has been, and will always be, ideology that bears out an identity.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Corvinus

    Oh please, if my intention was to inflate/inflame, I could've just as easily only showed the percentages who disagree with the assertion that young blacks riot and loot for any reason--fewer than 1-in-3 reject the idea that blacks are always looking for a reason to destroy!

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @LostHopeless
    @Corvinus

    Oh carnavus. you are a mendacious hypocrite wishing one thing [the better one, usually] for your ethnic homeland [Izrul] and quite the opposite for white majority nations. At least you are honestly open about it unlike you peers Lot and Tyrion2

    Replies: @Corvinus

  45. @SunBakedSuburb
    @216

    " ... Boomercon sportsball fans."

    White men, Boomers or not, who spend hours watching young blacks in tight shiny outfits playing with their balls need to do a bit of soul-searching. You are the problem, dumbasses.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @RadicalCenter

    “White men, Boomers or not, who spend hours watching young blacks in tight shiny outfits playing with their balls need to do a bit of soul-searching. You are the problem, dumbasses.”

    Actually, you really need to take look in the mirror. Masculine men love sports and competition. It’s in our nature.

    • Replies: @216
    @Corvinus

    There is nothing masculine about wearing the name of another man on your back, who is elevated to a demigod status in society. Even the mostly white NHL.


    Pro/College(pro) sports is a way of dissolving the tribalistic instincts of man into fruitless corporate profit.

    What is masculine would be joining a rec league game with your male peers. Giving Jimmy Haslam and his thug army thousands of dollars in season tickets starts with a "c" and ends with a "old".

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Corvinus

    It's perfectly possible to engage in, or watch, manly athletic competition without admitting, enriching, and worshipping egregiously stupid, ignorant, and for that matter butt-ugly men from an alien race that will not assimilate into your society and thinks you are a freaking faggot and a joke.

    How did the NHL get by all these decades, for example, without all those borderline-retarded semi-literate goons we call African-"Americans"?

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Corvinus

    "Masculine men love sports and competition. It's in our nature."

    Biologically, we're wired for competition. What you describe is mindless competition. There is nothing masculine about corporate sports fandom; it is the opposite of masculinity. It is infantilization.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  46. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Reg Cæsar

    This photo was taken in Fresno, March 2018.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This photo was taken in Fresno, March 2018.

    Theseguys don’t look Hmong.

  47. @Achmed E. Newman
    @J1234

    There are plenty of honest people out there. That explains the black number - ashamed but honest. As for the D's. they do know the blacks are the first to riot, so that's why it's important to have the Government spend lots of money to come up with a solution to this, be it more welfare, busing, midnight basketball, morning basketball, noontime basketball ... (those last ones are probably our best bet, too)

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Audacious Epigone

    “ashamed but honest”

    It beats what a sizable percentage of whites–probably comparable to the black share here, maybe higher–will say to negatively characterize whites, even if those characterizations are shamefully *dishonest*.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Audacious Epigone

    Yep, they are very proud of being ashamed of white people OTHER white people, and will lie their asses off to prove it.

  48. @MikeatMikedotMike
    These numbers would be even more inflated if much of the rioting and so-called wilding committed by black youth were not willfully suppressed by the media. I am speculating that many of those polled aren't even aware of how bad it has become.

    If you follow websites that focus on the localized criminality like I do (Second City Cop,Crime in Boystown/Wrigleyville and heyjackass.com [you might like HJ, Aud, 95% data mining]) you will get a much better idea of how much black crime is out of control in your nearest major metro area and that the authorities have effectively stopped trying to manage it, out of fear of being called the Big R.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Ha, that’s a great resource for Chicago crime stats. Looks like the proprietors have a great sense of humor, too (‘shot-in-the-junk-o-meter’).

  49. @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    Identity politics can be opposed in a country that looks like the US did in 1950. To oppose it now is to unilaterally disarm.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc., @SunBakedSuburb, @Twinkie, @LostHopeless

    Identity politics

    Always the complicated question is, “Fine, but what do you mean identity?” For some people, it might be just race, but for others it’s citizenship, religion, ethnicity, politics, ideology, etc.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    To a rough approximation I think of identity politics as in contrast to politics informed by ideology.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  50. @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    It is my position that tackling the issues as the issues is a much healthier way forward. Seems odd to bemoan the very tactic that brought us hear and odder to make sure it remains.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Audacious Epigone, @MikeatMikedotMike

    Demography is the issue. To ignore it is to try and figure out how to get the water out of a ship without first plugging the leak that is causing it to take on water.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    Demography is a very shallow fair. Sure the country sadly built a demographic playground - that's too bad. That is in effect the identity playbook, and it was not created b y blacks. But if that is the game to be played, I guess that is the game to play.

    But this article is not about demographics. It's about fear mongering or emotionalizing to a demographic. The focus is on youth rioting. Nothing new and nonunique to blacks, perhaps, given the country's history of riots, blacks least of save as primary targets.

    So when you say demographics with manner of advance, I remain skeptical as to its veracity or salience. Now if you spoke to demographics about employment, opportunity, infrastructure to varying communities and the polity that surrounding their community and the issues involved --- that's a matter of demographic that actually has substance.

    I am not challenging the idea that demographics matter. But I think we had better address something beyond the color bait fear hyping. A survey based online by reuters is likely to get what demographic -- of course and that demographic has spent better than 200 years assuaging whites about blacks -- especially as it pertains to violence. So the survey itself - already peculiarly modeled.

    However, as I said, I get it and I get why. My view of the political landscape is not resting on agitating superficial emotions of my fellow citizens about their fellows, unless said fellows are actively engaged in some ethos that is destructive, i.e. easing legal or illegal immigration, giving wall street execs a pass on misbehavior, supporting needless international conflicts, etc. That votes for blacks is hardly anymore shocking that whites have voted for whites, even engaged in massive policies that exclusively benefited whites.

    There's demographics that matter and there's whites think blacks find any excuse to riot, which but reflects the attitudes of whites and those otherwise considered white. I attribute the gamesmanship here on the replacement theory --- something I am keenly atuned to, but prefer to shun in every way.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @RadicalCenter

  51. @Thomm
    @Tony

    Predictably, you failed to understand my basic point.

    The point is : The Protestant value system, not 'whiteness', is the reason for the West's success. If it were due to race, then the West would have pulled ahead long before the 19th century. Furthermore, Russia and Ukraine would not be places that are underperforming the West by so much.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The Protestant value system

    Was it the Protestant value system that led the Italians to launch the Renaissance or for the Spaniards and the Portuguese to create unprecedented maritime empires?

  52. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Thomm



    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn’t pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century

     

    Like when the Chinese admiral Zeng He who in 1552 sailed to Spain and established an embassy of Shinto priests to teach Europeans arts and science, before sailing on to become the first man to circumnavigate the Earth.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I get your point, but Chinese Shinto priests? Are you just trying to be absurd?

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Twinkie

    Ok. Should have been a secret order of Taoists.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  53. @Corvinus
    "The results shown exclude “neither agree nor disagree” responses, constituting 26.3% of the total."

    Here is the real data, not your overinflated "results".

    OVERALL
    8,670 Responses
    Agree 43.8%
    Disagree 29.9%
    Neither agree nor disagree 26.3%

    Of course, one ought to ask follow up questions to ascertain the reasons behind the "agree" and "disagree".

    "Identity politics can be opposed in a country that looks like the US did in 1950. To oppose it now is to unilaterally disarm."

    Except it is has been, and will always be, ideology that bears out an identity.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @LostHopeless

    Oh please, if my intention was to inflate/inflame, I could’ve just as easily only showed the percentages who disagree with the assertion that young blacks riot and loot for any reason–fewer than 1-in-3 reject the idea that blacks are always looking for a reason to destroy!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Audacious Epigone

    "Oh please, if my intention was to inflate/inflame, I could’ve just as easily only showed the percentages who disagree with the assertion..."

    Except we all know you wouldn't go down that road.

    "...blacks are always looking for a reason to destroy".

    Just like the Irish.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/whether-we-like-it-or-not-tallaght-looting-lifted-the-lid-on-a-class-torn-ireland-831037.html

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  54. @Twinkie
    @Audacious Epigone


    Identity politics
     
    Always the complicated question is, “Fine, but what do you mean identity?” For some people, it might be just race, but for others it’s citizenship, religion, ethnicity, politics, ideology, etc.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    To a rough approximation I think of identity politics as in contrast to politics informed by ideology.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Audacious Epigone


    To a rough approximation I think of identity politics as in contrast to politics informed by ideology.
     
    Ok, fair enough, but what is not informed by “ideology”?

    This just seems like a workaround of “race” without being pinned as “race” explicitly. If so, that’s an issue as well since race has both biological and ideological bases.

    One can, of course, claim unchangeable traits (e.g. ancestry) as basis of identity, but I find that unsatisfactory given that many people integrate religion, class/status, political affiliation, etc. - mutable traits - into identity.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Audacious Epigone

  55. @Twinkie
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    I get your point, but Chinese Shinto priests? Are you just trying to be absurd?

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    Ok. Should have been a secret order of Taoists.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    Ok. Should have been a secret order of Taoists.
     
    Zheng He was born to a Muslim family and later embraced the Chinese goddess for sailors.

    By the way, as I explained to Thomm, he dismissively and inaccurately minimizes European achievements with the whole "19th century" line, but if you are going to bring up Zheng He and the treasure fleet, you should realize that the Chinese shipbuilding techniques were more advanced than the European ones at that time. For example, the Chinese had sealed bulkheads in their larger ships (and had since at least the 12th century), something the European ships indeed generally lacked until the 19th century. In some ways, it was very lucky for the budding European ocean-going powers that the Chinese withdrew from the seas (for ideological and domestic political reasons), just as the Europeans were starting their voyages. Otherwise, it's quite possible, perhaps even likely, that their overseas ventures would have failed.

    The real genius of the Western Europeans in their rise since the 16th century wasn't so much about particular inventions or even overseas conquests - it was that they came up with a systematic ways of observing the world and testing ideas, in other words, modern science.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Hippopotamusdrome

  56. @Audacious Epigone
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "ashamed but honest"

    It beats what a sizable percentage of whites--probably comparable to the black share here, maybe higher--will say to negatively characterize whites, even if those characterizations are shamefully *dishonest*.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Yep, they are very proud of being ashamed of white people OTHER white people, and will lie their asses off to prove it.

  57. @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    It is my position that tackling the issues as the issues is a much healthier way forward. Seems odd to bemoan the very tactic that brought us hear and odder to make sure it remains.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Audacious Epigone, @MikeatMikedotMike

    That is your position because you are a goofy old blank slating boomer, who seems to think anyone else reading gives a shit whether or not you are laughing, (you may think you’re laughing with yourself, but you’re actually laughing at yourself,) that hasn’t yet figured out that the last 50 years of conservative strategy has amounted to nothing more than giving away the farm. Enjoy the America you helped create and be quiet.

  58. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It's true, and not just within blacks.

    Inside of every third worlder "assimilated" to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it's always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.

    While in Indians it's just nepotism and not taking care of your property, for negroes it's acting violently and thuggishly. The best non-whites can do is model themselves after average, conservative suburban whites. But as more and more of their own kind come over, they revert to the "home country" style of behaviour.

    You see this among whites too, just not as pronounced. Most white trash is Irish or scots-irish, for instance.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Audacious Epigone, @SunBakedSuburb, @LostHopeless

    When you have supposedly “genius” dotheads engaging in rampant ethnic nepotism [and discrimination against whites and non-dots] you know this is very very true. You can take them out the 3rd world but you cannot take the 3rd world outta them [irrespective of their IQ]. Clan loyalty first and foremost.

    Plus with increasing “ethnic” populations, they’d not even pretend to assimilate like their predecessors did. Redmond VA and the east side of Seattle is a strange mix of Calcutta and Chongqing with all the resultant vibrancy one can expect. You hardly hear any English and if you are white, you are made to feel unwelcome.

    benvenuto in America.
    And you anglos thought us sicilians were bad! At least most of us are making an effort in our personal capacity to counter them (as we understand nepotism better and can spot it when we see it at play). These groups will do us in, in ways in which we’ve never been done in before.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @LostHopeless

    Yes, the "they're just like us" tripe from white liberals is ridiculous.

    Do white liberals even exist anymore? It's shocking that anybody would fail to notice this. These people are here with the sole intention of rising to the top and promoting their own ethnic supremacy.

    And yes, they are going to fuck us over in terrible ways. We will quickly see that illegal aliens from Mexico and Honduras aren't the problem - it's H1-B Hindus and Chinamen that will be our demise. These people are vicious and have no empathy.

    Underestimate them at your own peril.

    Replies: @LostHopeless, @EliteCommInc.

    , @Anonymous
    @LostHopeless

    "Assimilation" basically means eating junk food, watching Netflix and sportsball, and having your sister screw blacks. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that, and it's clear that Americans, immigrants, and others should be de-assimilating themselves out of this "culture" and "civilization".

  59. @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    Identity politics can be opposed in a country that looks like the US did in 1950. To oppose it now is to unilaterally disarm.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc., @SunBakedSuburb, @Twinkie, @LostHopeless

    Or we can do it the other way., We should make sure to X the ‘dystopian quotient’ by a factor of 100. The sooner something ‘breaks out’ the better it is for heritage americans as well as those who are living under the jackboot of the empire. It is the only genuine ‘humane’ way forward to actually preserving the various cultures of the world and keeping the US from becoming yet another shithole like the ones from which they seek escape.
    Else if the state of the union continues trudging along as it is, we can be sure of becoming the [dis]United States of MexChIndia sooner than we think, then the games up.

  60. @Corvinus
    "The results shown exclude “neither agree nor disagree” responses, constituting 26.3% of the total."

    Here is the real data, not your overinflated "results".

    OVERALL
    8,670 Responses
    Agree 43.8%
    Disagree 29.9%
    Neither agree nor disagree 26.3%

    Of course, one ought to ask follow up questions to ascertain the reasons behind the "agree" and "disagree".

    "Identity politics can be opposed in a country that looks like the US did in 1950. To oppose it now is to unilaterally disarm."

    Except it is has been, and will always be, ideology that bears out an identity.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @LostHopeless

    Oh carnavus. you are a mendacious hypocrite wishing one thing [the better one, usually] for your ethnic homeland [Izrul] and quite the opposite for white majority nations. At least you are honestly open about it unlike you peers Lot and Tyrion2

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @LostHopeless

    That would be your Jew fetish getting the best of you. I am of German, Polish, and Dutch descent. All goy.

  61. @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    To a rough approximation I think of identity politics as in contrast to politics informed by ideology.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    To a rough approximation I think of identity politics as in contrast to politics informed by ideology.

    Ok, fair enough, but what is not informed by “ideology”?

    This just seems like a workaround of “race” without being pinned as “race” explicitly. If so, that’s an issue as well since race has both biological and ideological bases.

    One can, of course, claim unchangeable traits (e.g. ancestry) as basis of identity, but I find that unsatisfactory given that many people integrate religion, class/status, political affiliation, etc. – mutable traits – into identity.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Twinkie


    One can, of course, claim unchangeable traits (e.g. ancestry) as basis of identity, but I find that unsatisfactory given that many people integrate religion, class/status, political affiliation, etc. – mutable traits – into identity.
     
    You’ve made a solid point here I think. Ask any SJW if there’s anything that could convince them to become a race realist and it’s no different than asking a ghetto negro if he could be convinced to become an Uncle Tom. While ideology may be mutable, one doesn’t see it as mutable until after it’s changed. And in this sense, all politics is identity politics. What matters is the fervency or fanaticism of the subject identity. A negro voter isn’t much different from a single issue immigration voter. The “moderates” or “centrists” are people with multiple identities to balance.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    I'm thinking of blacks who are pro-life, who say they support lower taxation and less wealth redistribution, who identify as conservative, who oppose same-sex marriage, etc voting overwhelmingly--overwhelmingly!--for Obama over Romney.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @EliteCommInc., @EliteCommInc., @Twinkie, @RadicalCenter

  62. @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    Demography is the issue. To ignore it is to try and figure out how to get the water out of a ship without first plugging the leak that is causing it to take on water.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc.

    Demography is a very shallow fair. Sure the country sadly built a demographic playground – that’s too bad. That is in effect the identity playbook, and it was not created b y blacks. But if that is the game to be played, I guess that is the game to play.

    But this article is not about demographics. It’s about fear mongering or emotionalizing to a demographic. The focus is on youth rioting. Nothing new and nonunique to blacks, perhaps, given the country’s history of riots, blacks least of save as primary targets.

    So when you say demographics with manner of advance, I remain skeptical as to its veracity or salience. Now if you spoke to demographics about employment, opportunity, infrastructure to varying communities and the polity that surrounding their community and the issues involved — that’s a matter of demographic that actually has substance.

    I am not challenging the idea that demographics matter. But I think we had better address something beyond the color bait fear hyping. A survey based online by reuters is likely to get what demographic — of course and that demographic has spent better than 200 years assuaging whites about blacks — especially as it pertains to violence. So the survey itself – already peculiarly modeled.

    However, as I said, I get it and I get why. My view of the political landscape is not resting on agitating superficial emotions of my fellow citizens about their fellows, unless said fellows are actively engaged in some ethos that is destructive, i.e. easing legal or illegal immigration, giving wall street execs a pass on misbehavior, supporting needless international conflicts, etc. That votes for blacks is hardly anymore shocking that whites have voted for whites, even engaged in massive policies that exclusively benefited whites.

    There’s demographics that matter and there’s whites think blacks find any excuse to riot, which but reflects the attitudes of whites and those otherwise considered white. I attribute the gamesmanship here on the replacement theory — something I am keenly atuned to, but prefer to shun in every way.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    While a post doesn't have to aim at a solution to a problem, I'd say the point is that even in The Current Year with its myriad pressures on free expression, ping that amygdala hard enough and a lot of people will shake free of them in an instant.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @EliteCommInc.

    So did you raise your family in an African neighborhood? Have you retired to one?

    If not, why not? Are you unfairly fixated on the racial aspect of culture and behavior?

  63. @Corvinus
    @SunBakedSuburb

    "White men, Boomers or not, who spend hours watching young blacks in tight shiny outfits playing with their balls need to do a bit of soul-searching. You are the problem, dumbasses."

    Actually, you really need to take look in the mirror. Masculine men love sports and competition. It's in our nature.

    Replies: @216, @RadicalCenter, @SunBakedSuburb

    There is nothing masculine about wearing the name of another man on your back, who is elevated to a demigod status in society. Even the mostly white NHL.

    Pro/College(pro) sports is a way of dissolving the tribalistic instincts of man into fruitless corporate profit.

    What is masculine would be joining a rec league game with your male peers. Giving Jimmy Haslam and his thug army thousands of dollars in season tickets starts with a “c” and ends with a “old”.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @216

    "There is nothing masculine about wearing the name of another man on your back, who is elevated to a demigod status in society. Even the mostly white NHL."

    You really need to get with the program here. You are completely out of your league.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1749-8171.2011.00278.x

    https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/cas/staff/lockley/tlijhs.pdf

    https://www.amazon.com/Ty-Cobb-Baseball-American-Manhood/dp/1442251913


    "Pro/College(pro) sports is a way of dissolving the tribalistic instincts of man into fruitless corporate profit."

    You mean maximizing the tribalistic instincts of man into fruitful competition.


    "What is masculine would be joining a rec league game with your male peers."

    As well as joining a high school sports team, or being skilled enough to play at the Division 1, 2, or 3 level, or having the opportunity to be blessed to be drafted by a franchise.

    Replies: @216

  64. Unsure what to make of this. Pearson is black, and thus presumably worthy of a shield even if right-wing.

    This is the angle that Boomers can’t use against AOC. She’s a bully, doesn’t recognize the legitimacy of right-wing politics to the point of calling them to be gang-raped.

    Boomercons are viewed as priviledged louts that need to get out of the way. So they can’t claim victimhood here, but Pearson can. This is an unforced error on the part of Velasquez and Cortez.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @216

    Can't stand to play second fiddle to anyone. The narcissism of the new coven is something to behold. And it's always campaign season--"ReElectNydia" just one month into a two-year term

  65. @216
    @Corvinus

    There is nothing masculine about wearing the name of another man on your back, who is elevated to a demigod status in society. Even the mostly white NHL.


    Pro/College(pro) sports is a way of dissolving the tribalistic instincts of man into fruitless corporate profit.

    What is masculine would be joining a rec league game with your male peers. Giving Jimmy Haslam and his thug army thousands of dollars in season tickets starts with a "c" and ends with a "old".

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “There is nothing masculine about wearing the name of another man on your back, who is elevated to a demigod status in society. Even the mostly white NHL.”

    You really need to get with the program here. You are completely out of your league.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1749-8171.2011.00278.x

    https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/cas/staff/lockley/tlijhs.pdf

    “Pro/College(pro) sports is a way of dissolving the tribalistic instincts of man into fruitless corporate profit.”

    You mean maximizing the tribalistic instincts of man into fruitful competition.

    “What is masculine would be joining a rec league game with your male peers.”

    As well as joining a high school sports team, or being skilled enough to play at the Division 1, 2, or 3 level, or having the opportunity to be blessed to be drafted by a franchise.

    • Replies: @216
    @Corvinus

    Being a sports spectator is faux masculinity. This is not mere opinion, it can be empiracally proven.

    The growth of sportsball has correlated with a rise in obesity, which we know is caused in part by sedentary lifestyles of watching televsion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFGXyn60iC8

    For the lurkers that might somehow be fooled by our bespecaled friend.

    Watch this and you won't be a sportsball fan anymore.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  66. @LostHopeless
    @Corvinus

    Oh carnavus. you are a mendacious hypocrite wishing one thing [the better one, usually] for your ethnic homeland [Izrul] and quite the opposite for white majority nations. At least you are honestly open about it unlike you peers Lot and Tyrion2

    Replies: @Corvinus

    That would be your Jew fetish getting the best of you. I am of German, Polish, and Dutch descent. All goy.

  67. @Corvinus
    @216

    "There is nothing masculine about wearing the name of another man on your back, who is elevated to a demigod status in society. Even the mostly white NHL."

    You really need to get with the program here. You are completely out of your league.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1749-8171.2011.00278.x

    https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/cas/staff/lockley/tlijhs.pdf

    https://www.amazon.com/Ty-Cobb-Baseball-American-Manhood/dp/1442251913


    "Pro/College(pro) sports is a way of dissolving the tribalistic instincts of man into fruitless corporate profit."

    You mean maximizing the tribalistic instincts of man into fruitful competition.


    "What is masculine would be joining a rec league game with your male peers."

    As well as joining a high school sports team, or being skilled enough to play at the Division 1, 2, or 3 level, or having the opportunity to be blessed to be drafted by a franchise.

    Replies: @216

    Being a sports spectator is faux masculinity. This is not mere opinion, it can be empiracally proven.

    The growth of sportsball has correlated with a rise in obesity, which we know is caused in part by sedentary lifestyles of watching televsion.

    For the lurkers that might somehow be fooled by our bespecaled friend.

    Watch this and you won’t be a sportsball fan anymore.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @216

    The video is an SJW version of virtue signaling. The message is a losing proposition. It will simply not resonate due to its abject bitterness.

    The team that "recruits" is OUR team and an expression of OUR sports community. There are different types of communities, some are transient and some are permanent. No different than a person who stays four years in one job for your company and then leaves, or a family who moves into a neighborhood, remains there for eight years, and then moves out of state.

    "The growth of sportsball has correlated with a rise in obesity, which we know is caused in part by sedentary lifestyles of watching televsion."

    You mean watching television, which includes sporting events, has been associated with obesity. However, the popularity of sports among youth has in part been linked to helping teens stay fit and increase the likelihood of maintaining an active lifestyle.

    http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/16/team-sports-help-teens-stay-fit

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/07/30/how-this-sport-is-changing-kids-health-around-the-world/#b92b3e193fab

    Moreover, increasing numbers of professional athletes are promoting health and fitness, with franchises having more healthy options available on their menus and having more health-conscious sponsor.

    Regardless, as the sources I provided clearly prove, engaging in sports for American men is one of the ultimate expressions of masculinity.

  68. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Twinkie

    Ok. Should have been a secret order of Taoists.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Ok. Should have been a secret order of Taoists.

    Zheng He was born to a Muslim family and later embraced the Chinese goddess for sailors.

    By the way, as I explained to Thomm, he dismissively and inaccurately minimizes European achievements with the whole “19th century” line, but if you are going to bring up Zheng He and the treasure fleet, you should realize that the Chinese shipbuilding techniques were more advanced than the European ones at that time. For example, the Chinese had sealed bulkheads in their larger ships (and had since at least the 12th century), something the European ships indeed generally lacked until the 19th century. In some ways, it was very lucky for the budding European ocean-going powers that the Chinese withdrew from the seas (for ideological and domestic political reasons), just as the Europeans were starting their voyages. Otherwise, it’s quite possible, perhaps even likely, that their overseas ventures would have failed.

    The real genius of the Western Europeans in their rise since the 16th century wasn’t so much about particular inventions or even overseas conquests – it was that they came up with a systematic ways of observing the world and testing ideas, in other words, modern science.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Twinkie


    The real genius of the Western Europeans in their rise since the 16th century
     
    Or maybe it was that they didn’t castrate their explorers like the Chinese did with (ex)He? What would Cortez have done if he were a eunuch?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Twinkie



    Zheng He was born to a Muslim family

     

    I was meaning a reversed Chinese version of Jesuit China missions of 1552.


    Chinese shipbuilding techniques were more advanced than the European ones at that time

     

    Chinese designs were for coastal and river sailing, where European designs were for deep ocean travel.

    Junks would follow the monsoon and sail downwind during one part of the year and sail back, again downwind, during the other part of the year. Junks would be at a disadvantage in long ocean crossing expeditions as it would be less able to sail as close to the wind.


    What is wrong with a Junk rig [boatdesign.net]

    the rig is quite heavy ... up to four times as heavy as a more conventional rig ... more top heavy under full sail than it would otherwise be

    a flat cut sail ... makes it less effective when sailing upwind

     


    What is wrong with a Junk rig [boatdesign.net]


    Richard wood has posted that a junk sail sails badly on a cat and Wharram gave up on it. Could someone please tell me why a junk sail isn't good I think it is an oriental lugsail.

    There are two basic reasons:

    1.) the rig is quite heavy, due to all its Boomlets (sometimes called battens). These and that the shrouds and stays which can only attach to the top of the rig, make it up to four times as heavy as a more conventional rig. Being so heavy it can make the catamaran more top heavy under full sail than it would otherwise be.

    2.) It is generally a flat cut sail, or at least much flatter cut than a more conventional sail, including a Balanced Lug. This makes it less effective when sailing upwind. On a light catamaran, this is a double disadvantage. It can not only not sail as well to windward as it otherwise would have, but, because catamarans generally sail faster than mono's of the same Length, the Apparent Wind moves further forward when a catamaran is on a reach than it does when the same size mono is. This requires better windward sails to get the best performance, even on a reach.

     

    Replies: @Twinkie

  69. @LostHopeless
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    When you have supposedly "genius" dotheads engaging in rampant ethnic nepotism [and discrimination against whites and non-dots] you know this is very very true. You can take them out the 3rd world but you cannot take the 3rd world outta them [irrespective of their IQ]. Clan loyalty first and foremost.

    Plus with increasing "ethnic" populations, they'd not even pretend to assimilate like their predecessors did. Redmond VA and the east side of Seattle is a strange mix of Calcutta and Chongqing with all the resultant vibrancy one can expect. You hardly hear any English and if you are white, you are made to feel unwelcome.

    benvenuto in America.
    And you anglos thought us sicilians were bad! At least most of us are making an effort in our personal capacity to counter them (as we understand nepotism better and can spot it when we see it at play). These groups will do us in, in ways in which we've never been done in before.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Anonymous

    Yes, the “they’re just like us” tripe from white liberals is ridiculous.

    Do white liberals even exist anymore? It’s shocking that anybody would fail to notice this. These people are here with the sole intention of rising to the top and promoting their own ethnic supremacy.

    And yes, they are going to fuck us over in terrible ways. We will quickly see that illegal aliens from Mexico and Honduras aren’t the problem – it’s H1-B Hindus and Chinamen that will be our demise. These people are vicious and have no empathy.

    Underestimate them at your own peril.

    • Replies: @LostHopeless
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Do white liberals even exist anymore? It’s shocking that anybody would fail to notice this.
     
    I see them around on twitter and I personally know some at work grovelling in front of their PoC "betters". I never do that, pay raise be damned. I am beyond that now. I see many many white shitlibs on twitter it makes me cringe. If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we'd have had the mafia take things in their "hands" back in the late 19th century. Would have certainly turned out better for everyone I believe, including the rest of the world. Most of us never had any messianic ideas floating in our head which the chosen ones could co-opt you see. We were more,, ahem, practical then as now. Being the little man in European politics for a loooong time has made us like that I think

    These people are here with the sole intention of rising to the top and promoting their own ethnic supremacy.

    And yes, they are going to fuck us over in terrible ways. We will quickly see that illegal aliens from Mexico and Honduras aren’t the problem – it’s H1-B Hindus and Chinamen that will be our demise. These people are vicious and have no empathy.
     

    Well that's a no brainer actually. To "succeed" in our market economy [and the politics that derives from it], you need to be vicious, cunning, rich, pretentious, loquacious and willingly embrace the dystopia [perhaps make it work for your clan/tribe while you're at it]. Which is why the ashkeNAZIm absolutely devastated the entire political and economic system by turning it on it's head. Ironically, they've met their match in the Hindus [whom they invited to be here via the hart (((cellar))) act]. As for the Chinese, they are not as loquacious and verbally agile for now but are soon getting there.

    For now the HinJews are trying their hardest to push us out of whatever little sovereignty we have left [after having sidelined us completely out of good paying jobs]. And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Corvinus, @Stan d Mute

    , @EliteCommInc.
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I certainly gave my issues with blacks conservative or liberal . . . but I am curious just what traits you think blacks have that are not exhibited by whites.

  70. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @LostHopeless

    Yes, the "they're just like us" tripe from white liberals is ridiculous.

    Do white liberals even exist anymore? It's shocking that anybody would fail to notice this. These people are here with the sole intention of rising to the top and promoting their own ethnic supremacy.

    And yes, they are going to fuck us over in terrible ways. We will quickly see that illegal aliens from Mexico and Honduras aren't the problem - it's H1-B Hindus and Chinamen that will be our demise. These people are vicious and have no empathy.

    Underestimate them at your own peril.

    Replies: @LostHopeless, @EliteCommInc.

    Do white liberals even exist anymore? It’s shocking that anybody would fail to notice this.

    I see them around on twitter and I personally know some at work grovelling in front of their PoC “betters”. I never do that, pay raise be damned. I am beyond that now. I see many many white shitlibs on twitter it makes me cringe. If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we’d have had the mafia take things in their “hands” back in the late 19th century. Would have certainly turned out better for everyone I believe, including the rest of the world. Most of us never had any messianic ideas floating in our head which the chosen ones could co-opt you see. We were more,, ahem, practical then as now. Being the little man in European politics for a loooong time has made us like that I think

    These people are here with the sole intention of rising to the top and promoting their own ethnic supremacy.

    And yes, they are going to fuck us over in terrible ways. We will quickly see that illegal aliens from Mexico and Honduras aren’t the problem – it’s H1-B Hindus and Chinamen that will be our demise. These people are vicious and have no empathy.

    Well that’s a no brainer actually. To “succeed” in our market economy [and the politics that derives from it], you need to be vicious, cunning, rich, pretentious, loquacious and willingly embrace the dystopia [perhaps make it work for your clan/tribe while you’re at it]. Which is why the ashkeNAZIm absolutely devastated the entire political and economic system by turning it on it’s head. Ironically, they’ve met their match in the Hindus [whom they invited to be here via the hart (((cellar))) act]. As for the Chinese, they are not as loquacious and verbally agile for now but are soon getting there.

    For now the HinJews are trying their hardest to push us out of whatever little sovereignty we have left [after having sidelined us completely out of good paying jobs]. And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @LostHopeless


    If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we’d have had the mafia take things in their “hands” back in the late 19th century.
     
    I feel personally ashamed by this. The founding stock of the country barely gives a peep as it gets destroyed!

    I travel in some "far right" circles in Canada. Let's look at the ethnicities. Hmm, Italian, Croat, Serb, Ukrainian, Pole. Where are the Germanics??? Québec is doing a remarkable job; due to geographical issues I'm unfortunately not familiar with their groups. But Anglos and Germanics are barely present! How pathetic. The country is being preserved by immigrants who were shit on upon arrival by the same Anglos.

    These are also the countries in Europe who are reclaiming their homelands.

    Ironically, they’ve met their match in the Hindus

     

    Hindus are super Jews - even better verbal agility. Yet, that also stands out - you can always tell who is a shitskin just based on how dishonestly they argue. They follow the same pattern (see Thomm, Corvinus). Furthermore, an Indian stands out, they cannot blend in with whites as Jews can.

    Chinks are just psychopaths. They have a massive inferiority complex with respect to whites, meaning they have a burning hatred towards us.

    And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.
     
    If such an event were to happen today, would you be an asset for your cause, or a liability? Better prepare yourself, network, etc.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @Corvinus
    @LostHopeless

    "If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we’d have had the mafia take things in their “hands” back in the late 19th century. Would have certainly turned out better for everyone I believe."

    Who/whom? Besides, are you not advocating the genocide of one white ethnic group by another white ethnic group? Are not whites suppose to stick together? Are you acknowledging that one European group by their very nature are "pussies" and that one European group by their very nature is "violent"? All the more reason for WASPs to be lauded for their efforts to keep these two undesirable groups OUT of our nation, correct?

    "And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better."

    OK, assuming that this civil war occurs by 2033, can we expect you to be on the front lines? Moreover, what preparations are you taking in light of this impending doom? Please be specific, as your insight will assist your fellow cyberspace, armchair warriors, I mean, your battle-hardened heritage allies.

    , @Stan d Mute
    @LostHopeless


    And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.
     
    Actually, it could all change pretty damn quickly if the white men who keep things actually working in this country would grow some sack and collectively go John Galt for a week or two at the same time. When the lights don’t turn on, the police don’t respond to calls, the toilets stop flushing, and there’s no food on the grocer’s shelves, I think they might get the point.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc.

  71. @LostHopeless
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Do white liberals even exist anymore? It’s shocking that anybody would fail to notice this.
     
    I see them around on twitter and I personally know some at work grovelling in front of their PoC "betters". I never do that, pay raise be damned. I am beyond that now. I see many many white shitlibs on twitter it makes me cringe. If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we'd have had the mafia take things in their "hands" back in the late 19th century. Would have certainly turned out better for everyone I believe, including the rest of the world. Most of us never had any messianic ideas floating in our head which the chosen ones could co-opt you see. We were more,, ahem, practical then as now. Being the little man in European politics for a loooong time has made us like that I think

    These people are here with the sole intention of rising to the top and promoting their own ethnic supremacy.

    And yes, they are going to fuck us over in terrible ways. We will quickly see that illegal aliens from Mexico and Honduras aren’t the problem – it’s H1-B Hindus and Chinamen that will be our demise. These people are vicious and have no empathy.
     

    Well that's a no brainer actually. To "succeed" in our market economy [and the politics that derives from it], you need to be vicious, cunning, rich, pretentious, loquacious and willingly embrace the dystopia [perhaps make it work for your clan/tribe while you're at it]. Which is why the ashkeNAZIm absolutely devastated the entire political and economic system by turning it on it's head. Ironically, they've met their match in the Hindus [whom they invited to be here via the hart (((cellar))) act]. As for the Chinese, they are not as loquacious and verbally agile for now but are soon getting there.

    For now the HinJews are trying their hardest to push us out of whatever little sovereignty we have left [after having sidelined us completely out of good paying jobs]. And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Corvinus, @Stan d Mute

    If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we’d have had the mafia take things in their “hands” back in the late 19th century.

    I feel personally ashamed by this. The founding stock of the country barely gives a peep as it gets destroyed!

    I travel in some “far right” circles in Canada. Let’s look at the ethnicities. Hmm, Italian, Croat, Serb, Ukrainian, Pole. Where are the Germanics??? Québec is doing a remarkable job; due to geographical issues I’m unfortunately not familiar with their groups. But Anglos and Germanics are barely present! How pathetic. The country is being preserved by immigrants who were shit on upon arrival by the same Anglos.

    These are also the countries in Europe who are reclaiming their homelands.

    Ironically, they’ve met their match in the Hindus

    Hindus are super Jews – even better verbal agility. Yet, that also stands out – you can always tell who is a shitskin just based on how dishonestly they argue. They follow the same pattern (see Thomm, Corvinus). Furthermore, an Indian stands out, they cannot blend in with whites as Jews can.

    Chinks are just psychopaths. They have a massive inferiority complex with respect to whites, meaning they have a burning hatred towards us.

    And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.

    If such an event were to happen today, would you be an asset for your cause, or a liability? Better prepare yourself, network, etc.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    "The founding stock of the country barely gives a peep as it gets destroyed!"

    So who exactly is this "founding stock"? Please be specific.

    "he country is being preserved by immigrants who were shit on upon arrival by the same Anglos."

    You do realize that "Anglos" in America believed that non-Anglos, specifically the Irish, Poles, Italians, and Slavs, were also "shit on arrival", right? So what changed? Magic dirt?

    "Chinks are just psychopaths. They have a massive inferiority complex with respect to whites, meaning they have a burning hatred towards us."

    That would you just projecting. Besides, a number of posters here have Asian wives and "mixed kids", along with Alt Right guru John Derbyshire. Are they "race traitors"?

    "These are also the countries in Europe who are reclaiming their homelands."

    So, what are you doing to reclaim your homeland? Again, please be specific.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian



    Hindus are super Jews – even better verbal agility.

     

    I read that sentence with Apu's voice.
  72. @LostHopeless
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    When you have supposedly "genius" dotheads engaging in rampant ethnic nepotism [and discrimination against whites and non-dots] you know this is very very true. You can take them out the 3rd world but you cannot take the 3rd world outta them [irrespective of their IQ]. Clan loyalty first and foremost.

    Plus with increasing "ethnic" populations, they'd not even pretend to assimilate like their predecessors did. Redmond VA and the east side of Seattle is a strange mix of Calcutta and Chongqing with all the resultant vibrancy one can expect. You hardly hear any English and if you are white, you are made to feel unwelcome.

    benvenuto in America.
    And you anglos thought us sicilians were bad! At least most of us are making an effort in our personal capacity to counter them (as we understand nepotism better and can spot it when we see it at play). These groups will do us in, in ways in which we've never been done in before.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Anonymous

    “Assimilation” basically means eating junk food, watching Netflix and sportsball, and having your sister screw blacks. I’m not sure why anyone would want to do that, and it’s clear that Americans, immigrants, and others should be de-assimilating themselves out of this “culture” and “civilization”.

  73. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Thomm

    Alright... and that's almost completely unrelated to my point. Inside every Northern European there is a Northern European waiting to break out.

    From the current standing of places, the West is civilized, and the 3rd world is not. If it weren't, Indians would be staying at home, building up their own country. Northern Europeans have built the best countries with the best cultures, and that stands today, regardless of what Julius Caesar wrote eons ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Bardon Kaldian, @22pp22

    Read Tacitus

  74. @216
    @Corvinus

    Being a sports spectator is faux masculinity. This is not mere opinion, it can be empiracally proven.

    The growth of sportsball has correlated with a rise in obesity, which we know is caused in part by sedentary lifestyles of watching televsion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFGXyn60iC8

    For the lurkers that might somehow be fooled by our bespecaled friend.

    Watch this and you won't be a sportsball fan anymore.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    The video is an SJW version of virtue signaling. The message is a losing proposition. It will simply not resonate due to its abject bitterness.

    The team that “recruits” is OUR team and an expression of OUR sports community. There are different types of communities, some are transient and some are permanent. No different than a person who stays four years in one job for your company and then leaves, or a family who moves into a neighborhood, remains there for eight years, and then moves out of state.

    “The growth of sportsball has correlated with a rise in obesity, which we know is caused in part by sedentary lifestyles of watching televsion.”

    You mean watching television, which includes sporting events, has been associated with obesity. However, the popularity of sports among youth has in part been linked to helping teens stay fit and increase the likelihood of maintaining an active lifestyle.

    http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/16/team-sports-help-teens-stay-fit

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/07/30/how-this-sport-is-changing-kids-health-around-the-world/#b92b3e193fab

    Moreover, increasing numbers of professional athletes are promoting health and fitness, with franchises having more healthy options available on their menus and having more health-conscious sponsor.

    Regardless, as the sources I provided clearly prove, engaging in sports for American men is one of the ultimate expressions of masculinity.

  75. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @LostHopeless


    If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we’d have had the mafia take things in their “hands” back in the late 19th century.
     
    I feel personally ashamed by this. The founding stock of the country barely gives a peep as it gets destroyed!

    I travel in some "far right" circles in Canada. Let's look at the ethnicities. Hmm, Italian, Croat, Serb, Ukrainian, Pole. Where are the Germanics??? Québec is doing a remarkable job; due to geographical issues I'm unfortunately not familiar with their groups. But Anglos and Germanics are barely present! How pathetic. The country is being preserved by immigrants who were shit on upon arrival by the same Anglos.

    These are also the countries in Europe who are reclaiming their homelands.

    Ironically, they’ve met their match in the Hindus

     

    Hindus are super Jews - even better verbal agility. Yet, that also stands out - you can always tell who is a shitskin just based on how dishonestly they argue. They follow the same pattern (see Thomm, Corvinus). Furthermore, an Indian stands out, they cannot blend in with whites as Jews can.

    Chinks are just psychopaths. They have a massive inferiority complex with respect to whites, meaning they have a burning hatred towards us.

    And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.
     
    If such an event were to happen today, would you be an asset for your cause, or a liability? Better prepare yourself, network, etc.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Hippopotamusdrome

    “The founding stock of the country barely gives a peep as it gets destroyed!”

    So who exactly is this “founding stock”? Please be specific.

    “he country is being preserved by immigrants who were shit on upon arrival by the same Anglos.”

    You do realize that “Anglos” in America believed that non-Anglos, specifically the Irish, Poles, Italians, and Slavs, were also “shit on arrival”, right? So what changed? Magic dirt?

    “Chinks are just psychopaths. They have a massive inferiority complex with respect to whites, meaning they have a burning hatred towards us.”

    That would you just projecting. Besides, a number of posters here have Asian wives and “mixed kids”, along with Alt Right guru John Derbyshire. Are they “race traitors”?

    “These are also the countries in Europe who are reclaiming their homelands.”

    So, what are you doing to reclaim your homeland? Again, please be specific.

  76. @LostHopeless
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Do white liberals even exist anymore? It’s shocking that anybody would fail to notice this.
     
    I see them around on twitter and I personally know some at work grovelling in front of their PoC "betters". I never do that, pay raise be damned. I am beyond that now. I see many many white shitlibs on twitter it makes me cringe. If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we'd have had the mafia take things in their "hands" back in the late 19th century. Would have certainly turned out better for everyone I believe, including the rest of the world. Most of us never had any messianic ideas floating in our head which the chosen ones could co-opt you see. We were more,, ahem, practical then as now. Being the little man in European politics for a loooong time has made us like that I think

    These people are here with the sole intention of rising to the top and promoting their own ethnic supremacy.

    And yes, they are going to fuck us over in terrible ways. We will quickly see that illegal aliens from Mexico and Honduras aren’t the problem – it’s H1-B Hindus and Chinamen that will be our demise. These people are vicious and have no empathy.
     

    Well that's a no brainer actually. To "succeed" in our market economy [and the politics that derives from it], you need to be vicious, cunning, rich, pretentious, loquacious and willingly embrace the dystopia [perhaps make it work for your clan/tribe while you're at it]. Which is why the ashkeNAZIm absolutely devastated the entire political and economic system by turning it on it's head. Ironically, they've met their match in the Hindus [whom they invited to be here via the hart (((cellar))) act]. As for the Chinese, they are not as loquacious and verbally agile for now but are soon getting there.

    For now the HinJews are trying their hardest to push us out of whatever little sovereignty we have left [after having sidelined us completely out of good paying jobs]. And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Corvinus, @Stan d Mute

    “If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we’d have had the mafia take things in their “hands” back in the late 19th century. Would have certainly turned out better for everyone I believe.”

    Who/whom? Besides, are you not advocating the genocide of one white ethnic group by another white ethnic group? Are not whites suppose to stick together? Are you acknowledging that one European group by their very nature are “pussies” and that one European group by their very nature is “violent”? All the more reason for WASPs to be lauded for their efforts to keep these two undesirable groups OUT of our nation, correct?

    “And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.”

    OK, assuming that this civil war occurs by 2033, can we expect you to be on the front lines? Moreover, what preparations are you taking in light of this impending doom? Please be specific, as your insight will assist your fellow cyberspace, armchair warriors, I mean, your battle-hardened heritage allies.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  77. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @LostHopeless

    Yes, the "they're just like us" tripe from white liberals is ridiculous.

    Do white liberals even exist anymore? It's shocking that anybody would fail to notice this. These people are here with the sole intention of rising to the top and promoting their own ethnic supremacy.

    And yes, they are going to fuck us over in terrible ways. We will quickly see that illegal aliens from Mexico and Honduras aren't the problem - it's H1-B Hindus and Chinamen that will be our demise. These people are vicious and have no empathy.

    Underestimate them at your own peril.

    Replies: @LostHopeless, @EliteCommInc.

    I certainly gave my issues with blacks conservative or liberal . . . but I am curious just what traits you think blacks have that are not exhibited by whites.

  78. @Audacious Epigone
    @Corvinus

    Oh please, if my intention was to inflate/inflame, I could've just as easily only showed the percentages who disagree with the assertion that young blacks riot and loot for any reason--fewer than 1-in-3 reject the idea that blacks are always looking for a reason to destroy!

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Oh please, if my intention was to inflate/inflame, I could’ve just as easily only showed the percentages who disagree with the assertion…”

    Except we all know you wouldn’t go down that road.

    “…blacks are always looking for a reason to destroy”.

    Just like the Irish.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/whether-we-like-it-or-not-tallaght-looting-lifted-the-lid-on-a-class-torn-ireland-831037.html

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Corvinus

    So, what's safer, cleaner, and more productive, a typical heavily-Irish neighborhood in the USA or a heavily-African neighborhood in the USA?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  79. @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn’t pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).
     
    1. Eastern Europe is typically not a part of what is usually described as the West.

    2. Modern science was invented in the West starting with the Renaissance c. 15th century and on. Although certain Chinese inventions were more advanced until much later (e.g. bulkheads in ships, natural gas extraction, etc.), Westerners came up with something much more valuable - a systematic way to think about the world.

    I am usually the one who pushes back against the idea of permanent/inevitable Western superiority around these parts since history clearly shows that dominance shifted from one part to another and yet another and so on throughout Eurasia. But your dismissal and minimization of the Rise of the West are just as flawed.

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.
     
    Tacitus had some nice things to say about the Germans and in parts described them as more virtuous than the Romans of his day. Do you describe blacks as more virtuous than whites and Asians? Bastardy statistics seem to belie this.

    Replies: @Truth

    Tacitus had some nice things to say about the Germans and in parts described them as more virtuous than the Romans of his day.

    If I remember correctly he also described blacks as more intelligent.

  80. @Twinkie
    @Audacious Epigone


    To a rough approximation I think of identity politics as in contrast to politics informed by ideology.
     
    Ok, fair enough, but what is not informed by “ideology”?

    This just seems like a workaround of “race” without being pinned as “race” explicitly. If so, that’s an issue as well since race has both biological and ideological bases.

    One can, of course, claim unchangeable traits (e.g. ancestry) as basis of identity, but I find that unsatisfactory given that many people integrate religion, class/status, political affiliation, etc. - mutable traits - into identity.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Audacious Epigone

    One can, of course, claim unchangeable traits (e.g. ancestry) as basis of identity, but I find that unsatisfactory given that many people integrate religion, class/status, political affiliation, etc. – mutable traits – into identity.

    You’ve made a solid point here I think. Ask any SJW if there’s anything that could convince them to become a race realist and it’s no different than asking a ghetto negro if he could be convinced to become an Uncle Tom. While ideology may be mutable, one doesn’t see it as mutable until after it’s changed. And in this sense, all politics is identity politics. What matters is the fervency or fanaticism of the subject identity. A negro voter isn’t much different from a single issue immigration voter. The “moderates” or “centrists” are people with multiple identities to balance.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  81. @Twinkie
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    Ok. Should have been a secret order of Taoists.
     
    Zheng He was born to a Muslim family and later embraced the Chinese goddess for sailors.

    By the way, as I explained to Thomm, he dismissively and inaccurately minimizes European achievements with the whole "19th century" line, but if you are going to bring up Zheng He and the treasure fleet, you should realize that the Chinese shipbuilding techniques were more advanced than the European ones at that time. For example, the Chinese had sealed bulkheads in their larger ships (and had since at least the 12th century), something the European ships indeed generally lacked until the 19th century. In some ways, it was very lucky for the budding European ocean-going powers that the Chinese withdrew from the seas (for ideological and domestic political reasons), just as the Europeans were starting their voyages. Otherwise, it's quite possible, perhaps even likely, that their overseas ventures would have failed.

    The real genius of the Western Europeans in their rise since the 16th century wasn't so much about particular inventions or even overseas conquests - it was that they came up with a systematic ways of observing the world and testing ideas, in other words, modern science.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Hippopotamusdrome

    The real genius of the Western Europeans in their rise since the 16th century

    Or maybe it was that they didn’t castrate their explorers like the Chinese did with (ex)He? What would Cortez have done if he were a eunuch?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Stan d Mute


    Or maybe it was that they didn’t castrate their explorers like the Chinese did with (ex)He? What would Cortez have done if he were a eunuch?
     
    I don’t know if you are serious or not, but the eunuchs, being “New Men” (okay, maybe not so much men, but a new power), supported the voyages. It was the agrarian mandarins who opposed them and eventually got their way, burning the fleets, shipbuilding manuals, maps, and banning anything but coastal travels.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Johann Ricke

  82. @LostHopeless
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Do white liberals even exist anymore? It’s shocking that anybody would fail to notice this.
     
    I see them around on twitter and I personally know some at work grovelling in front of their PoC "betters". I never do that, pay raise be damned. I am beyond that now. I see many many white shitlibs on twitter it makes me cringe. If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we'd have had the mafia take things in their "hands" back in the late 19th century. Would have certainly turned out better for everyone I believe, including the rest of the world. Most of us never had any messianic ideas floating in our head which the chosen ones could co-opt you see. We were more,, ahem, practical then as now. Being the little man in European politics for a loooong time has made us like that I think

    These people are here with the sole intention of rising to the top and promoting their own ethnic supremacy.

    And yes, they are going to fuck us over in terrible ways. We will quickly see that illegal aliens from Mexico and Honduras aren’t the problem – it’s H1-B Hindus and Chinamen that will be our demise. These people are vicious and have no empathy.
     

    Well that's a no brainer actually. To "succeed" in our market economy [and the politics that derives from it], you need to be vicious, cunning, rich, pretentious, loquacious and willingly embrace the dystopia [perhaps make it work for your clan/tribe while you're at it]. Which is why the ashkeNAZIm absolutely devastated the entire political and economic system by turning it on it's head. Ironically, they've met their match in the Hindus [whom they invited to be here via the hart (((cellar))) act]. As for the Chinese, they are not as loquacious and verbally agile for now but are soon getting there.

    For now the HinJews are trying their hardest to push us out of whatever little sovereignty we have left [after having sidelined us completely out of good paying jobs]. And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Corvinus, @Stan d Mute

    And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.

    Actually, it could all change pretty damn quickly if the white men who keep things actually working in this country would grow some sack and collectively go John Galt for a week or two at the same time. When the lights don’t turn on, the police don’t respond to calls, the toilets stop flushing, and there’s no food on the grocer’s shelves, I think they might get the point.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    @Stan d Mute

    "When the lights don’t turn on, the police don’t respond to calls, the toilets stop flushing, and there’s no food on the grocer’s shelves, I think they might get the point."


    I take it you are unfamiliar that these practices were common place responses to black communities, requests across the country.



    Somehow those blacks manged to survive the tactic. And while it hurt those communities, it reinforced the understanding that whites are a duplicitous lot that ought not ever be trusted. Nothing like identity politics to reinforce identity politics.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  83. @Stan d Mute
    @LostHopeless


    And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.
     
    Actually, it could all change pretty damn quickly if the white men who keep things actually working in this country would grow some sack and collectively go John Galt for a week or two at the same time. When the lights don’t turn on, the police don’t respond to calls, the toilets stop flushing, and there’s no food on the grocer’s shelves, I think they might get the point.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc.

    “When the lights don’t turn on, the police don’t respond to calls, the toilets stop flushing, and there’s no food on the grocer’s shelves, I think they might get the point.”

    I take it you are unfamiliar that these practices were common place responses to black communities, requests across the country.

    Somehow those blacks manged to survive the tactic. And while it hurt those communities, it reinforced the understanding that whites are a duplicitous lot that ought not ever be trusted. Nothing like identity politics to reinforce identity politics.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    If whites are never to be trusted, then plane rides to Liberia, free of this oppressive duplicitous lot?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @EliteCommInc.

  84. @Twinkie
    @Audacious Epigone


    To a rough approximation I think of identity politics as in contrast to politics informed by ideology.
     
    Ok, fair enough, but what is not informed by “ideology”?

    This just seems like a workaround of “race” without being pinned as “race” explicitly. If so, that’s an issue as well since race has both biological and ideological bases.

    One can, of course, claim unchangeable traits (e.g. ancestry) as basis of identity, but I find that unsatisfactory given that many people integrate religion, class/status, political affiliation, etc. - mutable traits - into identity.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Audacious Epigone

    I’m thinking of blacks who are pro-life, who say they support lower taxation and less wealth redistribution, who identify as conservative, who oppose same-sex marriage, etc voting overwhelmingly–overwhelmingly!–for Obama over Romney.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Audacious Epigone

    In all fairness, Romney? Really? A silver spoon punk bitch who never produced anything in his life despite being born and raised in the center of American industry? A scavenging parasite who became rich by destroying American companies and the families that depended on them for their livelihood? A retard who wears magic underwear and believes that we came from Planet Kolob because a 19th Century Moses wannabe claimed that YHWH confided in him? A pathetic Cuck who walked back, no - fled from, the only truth he accidentally uttered (“the 47%”)?

    That Romney?

    I nearly voted for Obola over Romney and I’m pretty sure I’d be considered off the scale “right” on most issues. I did check the Obola box on my ballot before I fed it to my shredder in disgust.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    In conjunction with millions of white republicans who jumped ship to be a part of history. Let's be honest, the republican party has long past given up being a conservative. Gov. Romney wasn't going to take on abortion, not even indirectly in my view. He wasn't going to tackle immigration. He was pro-aggressive on foreign policy. Supported bail-outs.

    One might consider the rather dull "party of history" move in light of party that was looking as democratic as the democrats themselves . In otherwords, that ship jumping was not unique to black conservatives, even if i bought your contention and I am not sure that I do.

    , @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    http://ideas.time.com/2012/10/19/viewpoint-will-blacks-vote-for-obama-because-hes-black/

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @Twinkie
    @Audacious Epigone


    I’m thinking of blacks who are pro-life, who say they support lower taxation and less wealth redistribution, who identify as conservative, who oppose same-sex marriage, etc voting overwhelmingly–overwhelmingly!–for Obama over Romney.
     
    With blacks, race seems to trump just about everything in politics - they are into racial politics like no other. That’s the primary element of their identity. Even their language (e.g. “brother”) evokes racial solidarity.

    I don’t think that’s the case with whites, Asians, or Hispanics, the latter two of which are constructed categories that do not capture the complexities of the ascribed groups. It’s difficult enough to get Cubans to identify with Salvadorans (who at least speak the same language). What do Hmongs and Japanese have in common?

    This is where I agree with Steve Sailer. If the Democratic Party becomes the black supremacist party, it loses. Enough Hispanics and Asians will defect to alter electoral outcomes (as occasionally occurs in local elections even now). If the GOP becomes the white-only party, however, it’s chances will diminish in the long-run (though it may enjoy a brief spark of high energy).

    As in guerilla warfare, politics is about hearts and minds, and whoever can portray successfully the other side as bad guys will win. That’s why I favor the Alinsky strategy for the GOP - learning to provoke the other side artfully so that it becomes ever so capricious, malevolent, and oppressive and allows you to harness the outrage of the majority against it. Unfortunately, the GOP is truly the stupid party, and it alternates between fecklessness and ideological purity (in matters such as taxes and free trade, but not in existential issues such as immigration).
    , @RadicalCenter
    @Audacious Epigone

    Man are you right.

    I work with a church-going "socially conservative" African-"American" woman. We get along well, and in some ways her personality and many of her views are a breath of fresh air in the ideologically extreme, unpleasant, closeminded, white-hating environment where we work.

    She thinks that homosexuals are going to Hell (and of course should not be allowed to "marry" each other or adopt children), that people divorce and sleep around far too much, that men should work hard, that men who refuse to work should have no respect and no subsidies, that the media and universities are promoting homosexuality and mental illness ("transgenderism"), etc. She also has expressed resentment of illegal aliens and doesn't seem fond of Hispanics here generally.

    Yet she says, "Trump and those Republicans are nasty angry racists, at least Obama was a nice and honest man", and will again vote for whatever Democrat they put up.

    This is by far not the first such experience I've had with this type of Affican-Merican.

  85. @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    Demography is a very shallow fair. Sure the country sadly built a demographic playground - that's too bad. That is in effect the identity playbook, and it was not created b y blacks. But if that is the game to be played, I guess that is the game to play.

    But this article is not about demographics. It's about fear mongering or emotionalizing to a demographic. The focus is on youth rioting. Nothing new and nonunique to blacks, perhaps, given the country's history of riots, blacks least of save as primary targets.

    So when you say demographics with manner of advance, I remain skeptical as to its veracity or salience. Now if you spoke to demographics about employment, opportunity, infrastructure to varying communities and the polity that surrounding their community and the issues involved --- that's a matter of demographic that actually has substance.

    I am not challenging the idea that demographics matter. But I think we had better address something beyond the color bait fear hyping. A survey based online by reuters is likely to get what demographic -- of course and that demographic has spent better than 200 years assuaging whites about blacks -- especially as it pertains to violence. So the survey itself - already peculiarly modeled.

    However, as I said, I get it and I get why. My view of the political landscape is not resting on agitating superficial emotions of my fellow citizens about their fellows, unless said fellows are actively engaged in some ethos that is destructive, i.e. easing legal or illegal immigration, giving wall street execs a pass on misbehavior, supporting needless international conflicts, etc. That votes for blacks is hardly anymore shocking that whites have voted for whites, even engaged in massive policies that exclusively benefited whites.

    There's demographics that matter and there's whites think blacks find any excuse to riot, which but reflects the attitudes of whites and those otherwise considered white. I attribute the gamesmanship here on the replacement theory --- something I am keenly atuned to, but prefer to shun in every way.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @RadicalCenter

    While a post doesn’t have to aim at a solution to a problem, I’d say the point is that even in The Current Year with its myriad pressures on free expression, ping that amygdala hard enough and a lot of people will shake free of them in an instant.

  86. @216
    https://twitter.com/KMGVictoria/status/1093307627235303424

    Unsure what to make of this. Pearson is black, and thus presumably worthy of a shield even if right-wing.

    This is the angle that Boomers can't use against AOC. She's a bully, doesn't recognize the legitimacy of right-wing politics to the point of calling them to be gang-raped.

    Boomercons are viewed as priviledged louts that need to get out of the way. So they can't claim victimhood here, but Pearson can. This is an unforced error on the part of Velasquez and Cortez.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Can’t stand to play second fiddle to anyone. The narcissism of the new coven is something to behold. And it’s always campaign season–“ReElectNydia” just one month into a two-year term

  87. @EliteCommInc.
    @Stan d Mute

    "When the lights don’t turn on, the police don’t respond to calls, the toilets stop flushing, and there’s no food on the grocer’s shelves, I think they might get the point."


    I take it you are unfamiliar that these practices were common place responses to black communities, requests across the country.



    Somehow those blacks manged to survive the tactic. And while it hurt those communities, it reinforced the understanding that whites are a duplicitous lot that ought not ever be trusted. Nothing like identity politics to reinforce identity politics.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    If whites are never to be trusted, then plane rides to Liberia, free of this oppressive duplicitous lot?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Audacious Epigone

    Heh.  You know how these parasites are, AE:  they always talk about "racism" and "oppression", but every time YT moves away from them they follow right along because they find it preferable to being without "racism" and "oppression".  That doesn't include all the millions trying to get here from the turd-world countries where they were born where they were presumably free of "racism" and "oppression" and "White supremacy".

    It's a pity that we can't make them go back to Africa for uttering the blood libel.  Well, can't make them go yet.

    , @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    The context of course goes to that specific behavior in relation to identity politics, not merely whether a light switch turned on when it was supposed to.


    The light switch in the hands of the user is quite another issue than the light switch in the hands of the provider. The switch is not the problem, but if the provider repeatedly demonstrates that he or she is --- that is another matter.

    You want to discuss identity politics as though it was some post modern creation by blacks -- and that would be deeply factually incorrect. In fact, it would be incorrect to blame the impact of identity politics to our modern era on blacks. The vast impact by sheer numbers goes to white women. And while black people may not articulate those truths, that is in fact the case. And it is on the matter of applying facts where I part company with many who supposedly represent conservative or republican polity. We have been so egregiously wrong on the historical data and impact -- it's embarrassing. Hence a response about not using electric devices as though that is the accurate counter response to a polity in which the police froze calls for aid in black communities and thereby feeding a negative dynamic.

    The response, let's send black people to Liberia on planes if we can get them to trust flying because two white guys were instrumental in flight innovation. the comparison here to trust just makes no sense in light of the context.

    So having reinforce the point of blacks relying on blacks, there's a complaint about identity politics . . .

    The point was to get blacks relying on blacks as much as possible and when they do there's a whine about that. Blacks represent 13% of the population. As citizens they will have to indulge relations with others, including whites - very little choice.

  88. @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    If whites are never to be trusted, then plane rides to Liberia, free of this oppressive duplicitous lot?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @EliteCommInc.

    Heh.  You know how these parasites are, AE:  they always talk about “racism” and “oppression”, but every time YT moves away from them they follow right along because they find it preferable to being without “racism” and “oppression”.  That doesn’t include all the millions trying to get here from the turd-world countries where they were born where they were presumably free of “racism” and “oppression” and “White supremacy”.

    It’s a pity that we can’t make them go back to Africa for uttering the blood libel.  Well, can’t make them go yet.

  89. @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    I'm thinking of blacks who are pro-life, who say they support lower taxation and less wealth redistribution, who identify as conservative, who oppose same-sex marriage, etc voting overwhelmingly--overwhelmingly!--for Obama over Romney.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @EliteCommInc., @EliteCommInc., @Twinkie, @RadicalCenter

    In all fairness, Romney? Really? A silver spoon punk bitch who never produced anything in his life despite being born and raised in the center of American industry? A scavenging parasite who became rich by destroying American companies and the families that depended on them for their livelihood? A retard who wears magic underwear and believes that we came from Planet Kolob because a 19th Century Moses wannabe claimed that YHWH confided in him? A pathetic Cuck who walked back, no – fled from, the only truth he accidentally uttered (“the 47%”)?

    That Romney?

    I nearly voted for Obola over Romney and I’m pretty sure I’d be considered off the scale “right” on most issues. I did check the Obola box on my ballot before I fed it to my shredder in disgust.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Stan d Mute

    You are aware that other candidates were running besides Obama and Romney, right? Makes zero sense to say that you even considered voting for Obama, especially given the sensible things you routinely say.

    See your point about the disgusting "choice" between the major-party candidates, of course.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  90. @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    If whites are never to be trusted, then plane rides to Liberia, free of this oppressive duplicitous lot?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @EliteCommInc.

    The context of course goes to that specific behavior in relation to identity politics, not merely whether a light switch turned on when it was supposed to.

    The light switch in the hands of the user is quite another issue than the light switch in the hands of the provider. The switch is not the problem, but if the provider repeatedly demonstrates that he or she is — that is another matter.

    You want to discuss identity politics as though it was some post modern creation by blacks — and that would be deeply factually incorrect. In fact, it would be incorrect to blame the impact of identity politics to our modern era on blacks. The vast impact by sheer numbers goes to white women. And while black people may not articulate those truths, that is in fact the case. And it is on the matter of applying facts where I part company with many who supposedly represent conservative or republican polity. We have been so egregiously wrong on the historical data and impact — it’s embarrassing. Hence a response about not using electric devices as though that is the accurate counter response to a polity in which the police froze calls for aid in black communities and thereby feeding a negative dynamic.

    The response, let’s send black people to Liberia on planes if we can get them to trust flying because two white guys were instrumental in flight innovation. the comparison here to trust just makes no sense in light of the context.

    So having reinforce the point of blacks relying on blacks, there’s a complaint about identity politics . . .

    The point was to get blacks relying on blacks as much as possible and when they do there’s a whine about that. Blacks represent 13% of the population. As citizens they will have to indulge relations with others, including whites – very little choice.

  91. @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    I'm thinking of blacks who are pro-life, who say they support lower taxation and less wealth redistribution, who identify as conservative, who oppose same-sex marriage, etc voting overwhelmingly--overwhelmingly!--for Obama over Romney.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @EliteCommInc., @EliteCommInc., @Twinkie, @RadicalCenter

    In conjunction with millions of white republicans who jumped ship to be a part of history. Let’s be honest, the republican party has long past given up being a conservative. Gov. Romney wasn’t going to take on abortion, not even indirectly in my view. He wasn’t going to tackle immigration. He was pro-aggressive on foreign policy. Supported bail-outs.

    One might consider the rather dull “party of history” move in light of party that was looking as democratic as the democrats themselves . In otherwords, that ship jumping was not unique to black conservatives, even if i bought your contention and I am not sure that I do.

  92. @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    I'm thinking of blacks who are pro-life, who say they support lower taxation and less wealth redistribution, who identify as conservative, who oppose same-sex marriage, etc voting overwhelmingly--overwhelmingly!--for Obama over Romney.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @EliteCommInc., @EliteCommInc., @Twinkie, @RadicalCenter

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @EliteCommInc.

    "the question itself is racist and offensive"

    Yep, that pretty much sums up the totalitarian left.

  93. @Bardon Kaldian
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/an-open-letter-to-cuckservatives/

    An Open Letter to Cuckservatives

    ...........................


    Let’s consider your principles. Do you dream of a traditional, religious, free-market society with small government, low taxes, and no gun control, where same-sex marriage is illegal, and abortion, divorce, prostitution, and illegitimacy are scorned? There are such places: the tribal areas of Pakistan and Somalia.

    And what about countries that violate your principles–with high taxes, huge government, clogged markets, a weak church, strict gun control, and sexual license of all kinds?
    There’s Scandinavia. And yet if you had to leave the United States you’d much rather live in Denmark than in Waziristan.

    Do you see the pattern? Even when they violate your principles, white people build good societies. Even when they abide by your principles, non-whites usually don’t.

    We see that in America. Can you think of a majority non-white neighborhood you’d like to live in, or a majority non-white school you’d like your children to attend? No, you can’t. Why, then, don’t you fight with all your strength against the forces of immigration and integration that are turning ever-greater parts of your county into Third-World wastelands?
     

    Replies: @2stateshmustate

    I don’t think I’d be too worried if my children were attending a Japanese school.

  94. @Twinkie
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    Ok. Should have been a secret order of Taoists.
     
    Zheng He was born to a Muslim family and later embraced the Chinese goddess for sailors.

    By the way, as I explained to Thomm, he dismissively and inaccurately minimizes European achievements with the whole "19th century" line, but if you are going to bring up Zheng He and the treasure fleet, you should realize that the Chinese shipbuilding techniques were more advanced than the European ones at that time. For example, the Chinese had sealed bulkheads in their larger ships (and had since at least the 12th century), something the European ships indeed generally lacked until the 19th century. In some ways, it was very lucky for the budding European ocean-going powers that the Chinese withdrew from the seas (for ideological and domestic political reasons), just as the Europeans were starting their voyages. Otherwise, it's quite possible, perhaps even likely, that their overseas ventures would have failed.

    The real genius of the Western Europeans in their rise since the 16th century wasn't so much about particular inventions or even overseas conquests - it was that they came up with a systematic ways of observing the world and testing ideas, in other words, modern science.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Zheng He was born to a Muslim family

    I was meaning a reversed Chinese version of Jesuit China missions of 1552.

    Chinese shipbuilding techniques were more advanced than the European ones at that time

    Chinese designs were for coastal and river sailing, where European designs were for deep ocean travel.

    Junks would follow the monsoon and sail downwind during one part of the year and sail back, again downwind, during the other part of the year. Junks would be at a disadvantage in long ocean crossing expeditions as it would be less able to sail as close to the wind.

    What is wrong with a Junk rig [boatdesign.net]

    the rig is quite heavy … up to four times as heavy as a more conventional rig … more top heavy under full sail than it would otherwise be

    a flat cut sail … makes it less effective when sailing upwind

    [MORE]

    What is wrong with a Junk rig [boatdesign.net]

    Richard wood has posted that a junk sail sails badly on a cat and Wharram gave up on it. Could someone please tell me why a junk sail isn’t good I think it is an oriental lugsail.

    There are two basic reasons:

    1.) the rig is quite heavy, due to all its Boomlets (sometimes called battens). These and that the shrouds and stays which can only attach to the top of the rig, make it up to four times as heavy as a more conventional rig. Being so heavy it can make the catamaran more top heavy under full sail than it would otherwise be.

    2.) It is generally a flat cut sail, or at least much flatter cut than a more conventional sail, including a Balanced Lug. This makes it less effective when sailing upwind. On a light catamaran, this is a double disadvantage. It can not only not sail as well to windward as it otherwise would have, but, because catamarans generally sail faster than mono’s of the same Length, the Apparent Wind moves further forward when a catamaran is on a reach than it does when the same size mono is. This requires better windward sails to get the best performance, even on a reach.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Iberian caravels were modified Islamic qaribs. They were small and maneuverable, and were meant for exploration and scouting.

    The Chinese ships of the time were considerably larger and had sealed bulkheads. They were multirole ships that could transport heavy loads of goods, men, and cannons, and were probably much more suited for colonization/conquest, were the Chinese so inclined (they weren’t). Zheng He’s fleet had 10-20,0000 marines/troops at one point.

    The Chinese reached Arabia and the Horn of Africa. Even if they could have reached Europe, what would have been the point for them? Since the times of Greeks and Romans, bullion (silver and gold) flowed from the West to the East in return for exotics of the East (spices, incense, porcelain, silk, etc.), because the West had little in the way of products that interested the East. During the Roman times, the Romans tried to export wine, but Asians generally found them too bitter. You of course know why the British wanted export - bu force if necessary - opium to China - because the British were bleeding silver massively to finance the Western tea habit.

    In any case, the Chinese were far more worried about defending their northern land border and considered these voyages foolish luxuries. Such are the contingencies of history.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Johann Ricke

  95. @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    I'm thinking of blacks who are pro-life, who say they support lower taxation and less wealth redistribution, who identify as conservative, who oppose same-sex marriage, etc voting overwhelmingly--overwhelmingly!--for Obama over Romney.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @EliteCommInc., @EliteCommInc., @Twinkie, @RadicalCenter

    I’m thinking of blacks who are pro-life, who say they support lower taxation and less wealth redistribution, who identify as conservative, who oppose same-sex marriage, etc voting overwhelmingly–overwhelmingly!–for Obama over Romney.

    With blacks, race seems to trump just about everything in politics – they are into racial politics like no other. That’s the primary element of their identity. Even their language (e.g. “brother”) evokes racial solidarity.

    I don’t think that’s the case with whites, Asians, or Hispanics, the latter two of which are constructed categories that do not capture the complexities of the ascribed groups. It’s difficult enough to get Cubans to identify with Salvadorans (who at least speak the same language). What do Hmongs and Japanese have in common?

    This is where I agree with Steve Sailer. If the Democratic Party becomes the black supremacist party, it loses. Enough Hispanics and Asians will defect to alter electoral outcomes (as occasionally occurs in local elections even now). If the GOP becomes the white-only party, however, it’s chances will diminish in the long-run (though it may enjoy a brief spark of high energy).

    As in guerilla warfare, politics is about hearts and minds, and whoever can portray successfully the other side as bad guys will win. That’s why I favor the Alinsky strategy for the GOP – learning to provoke the other side artfully so that it becomes ever so capricious, malevolent, and oppressive and allows you to harness the outrage of the majority against it. Unfortunately, the GOP is truly the stupid party, and it alternates between fecklessness and ideological purity (in matters such as taxes and free trade, but not in existential issues such as immigration).

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  96. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Twinkie



    Zheng He was born to a Muslim family

     

    I was meaning a reversed Chinese version of Jesuit China missions of 1552.


    Chinese shipbuilding techniques were more advanced than the European ones at that time

     

    Chinese designs were for coastal and river sailing, where European designs were for deep ocean travel.

    Junks would follow the monsoon and sail downwind during one part of the year and sail back, again downwind, during the other part of the year. Junks would be at a disadvantage in long ocean crossing expeditions as it would be less able to sail as close to the wind.


    What is wrong with a Junk rig [boatdesign.net]

    the rig is quite heavy ... up to four times as heavy as a more conventional rig ... more top heavy under full sail than it would otherwise be

    a flat cut sail ... makes it less effective when sailing upwind

     


    What is wrong with a Junk rig [boatdesign.net]


    Richard wood has posted that a junk sail sails badly on a cat and Wharram gave up on it. Could someone please tell me why a junk sail isn't good I think it is an oriental lugsail.

    There are two basic reasons:

    1.) the rig is quite heavy, due to all its Boomlets (sometimes called battens). These and that the shrouds and stays which can only attach to the top of the rig, make it up to four times as heavy as a more conventional rig. Being so heavy it can make the catamaran more top heavy under full sail than it would otherwise be.

    2.) It is generally a flat cut sail, or at least much flatter cut than a more conventional sail, including a Balanced Lug. This makes it less effective when sailing upwind. On a light catamaran, this is a double disadvantage. It can not only not sail as well to windward as it otherwise would have, but, because catamarans generally sail faster than mono's of the same Length, the Apparent Wind moves further forward when a catamaran is on a reach than it does when the same size mono is. This requires better windward sails to get the best performance, even on a reach.

     

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Iberian caravels were modified Islamic qaribs. They were small and maneuverable, and were meant for exploration and scouting.

    The Chinese ships of the time were considerably larger and had sealed bulkheads. They were multirole ships that could transport heavy loads of goods, men, and cannons, and were probably much more suited for colonization/conquest, were the Chinese so inclined (they weren’t). Zheng He’s fleet had 10-20,0000 marines/troops at one point.

    The Chinese reached Arabia and the Horn of Africa. Even if they could have reached Europe, what would have been the point for them? Since the times of Greeks and Romans, bullion (silver and gold) flowed from the West to the East in return for exotics of the East (spices, incense, porcelain, silk, etc.), because the West had little in the way of products that interested the East. During the Roman times, the Romans tried to export wine, but Asians generally found them too bitter. You of course know why the British wanted export – bu force if necessary – opium to China – because the British were bleeding silver massively to finance the Western tea habit.

    In any case, the Chinese were far more worried about defending their northern land border and considered these voyages foolish luxuries. Such are the contingencies of history.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Twinkie



    Since the times of Greeks and Romans, bullion (silver and gold) flowed from the West to the East in return for exotics of the East

     

    I guess that's a backhanded way of saying Europe was always the most advanced in mining and metallurgy techniques.


    During the Roman times, the Romans tried to export wine, but Asians generally found them too bitter.

     

    Well, if the Romans weren't good enough, then I have to concede that later Europeans were indeed backwards.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    The Chinese ships of the time were considerably larger and had sealed bulkheads. They were multirole ships that could transport heavy loads of goods, men, and cannons, and were probably much more suited for colonization/conquest, were the Chinese so inclined (they weren’t). Zheng He’s fleet had 10-20,0000 marines/troops at one point.
     
    My guess is that they were principally concerned with holding on to territory, both the new conquests and their continental-sized empire. The fact that most of the American colonies ended up splitting off from their European sovereigns illustrates that the concerns* of Chinese rulers were justified. Note also that military expeditions overseas that drained the imperial treasury did not similarly drain the coffers of wealthy gentry possessed of large private armies, waiting for their opportunity to seize the throne.

    * The first emperor of Vietnam is said to be a Chinese general who went native. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Tuo Aged 103 when he died, he might just be the longest-lived ruler in recorded history.
  97. @Stan d Mute
    @Twinkie


    The real genius of the Western Europeans in their rise since the 16th century
     
    Or maybe it was that they didn’t castrate their explorers like the Chinese did with (ex)He? What would Cortez have done if he were a eunuch?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Or maybe it was that they didn’t castrate their explorers like the Chinese did with (ex)He? What would Cortez have done if he were a eunuch?

    I don’t know if you are serious or not, but the eunuchs, being “New Men” (okay, maybe not so much men, but a new power), supported the voyages. It was the agrarian mandarins who opposed them and eventually got their way, burning the fleets, shipbuilding manuals, maps, and banning anything but coastal travels.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Twinkie



    It was the agrarian mandarins ... burning the fleets, shipbuilding manuals, maps

     

    Yeah, that's the ticket.

    Teacher: Where is your homework?

    Me: The dog... The agrarian mandarins burned it.
    , @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    I don’t know if you are serious or not, but the eunuchs, being “New Men” (okay, maybe not so much men, but a new power), supported the voyages. It was the agrarian mandarins who opposed them and eventually got their way, burning the fleets, shipbuilding manuals, maps, and banning anything but coastal travels.
     
    Indeed. I have read that palace eunuchs had no part in the writing* of Chinese history. As men personally loyal to the emperor, they have relentlessly been vilified by the scholar officials, typically men from wealthy landed families with their own private armies, who made up the Chinese bureaucracy and wrote the histories (essentially extended homilies) commissioned by the reigning dynasty of both predecessor rulers and ruling houses. While other scapegoats were alluded to, dynastic collapses tended to be laid, disproportionately, at the feet of corrupt eunuchs.

    * A number of scholar officials were castrated for offending the emperor, including several well-known historians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sima_Qian , but they weren't the low status eunuchs who had given up their family jewels as the price of entering imperial service.
  98. @Twinkie
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Iberian caravels were modified Islamic qaribs. They were small and maneuverable, and were meant for exploration and scouting.

    The Chinese ships of the time were considerably larger and had sealed bulkheads. They were multirole ships that could transport heavy loads of goods, men, and cannons, and were probably much more suited for colonization/conquest, were the Chinese so inclined (they weren’t). Zheng He’s fleet had 10-20,0000 marines/troops at one point.

    The Chinese reached Arabia and the Horn of Africa. Even if they could have reached Europe, what would have been the point for them? Since the times of Greeks and Romans, bullion (silver and gold) flowed from the West to the East in return for exotics of the East (spices, incense, porcelain, silk, etc.), because the West had little in the way of products that interested the East. During the Roman times, the Romans tried to export wine, but Asians generally found them too bitter. You of course know why the British wanted export - bu force if necessary - opium to China - because the British were bleeding silver massively to finance the Western tea habit.

    In any case, the Chinese were far more worried about defending their northern land border and considered these voyages foolish luxuries. Such are the contingencies of history.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Johann Ricke

    Since the times of Greeks and Romans, bullion (silver and gold) flowed from the West to the East in return for exotics of the East

    I guess that’s a backhanded way of saying Europe was always the most advanced in mining and metallurgy techniques.

    During the Roman times, the Romans tried to export wine, but Asians generally found them too bitter.

    Well, if the Romans weren’t good enough, then I have to concede that later Europeans were indeed backwards.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    I guess that’s a backhanded way of saying Europe was always the most advanced in mining and metallurgy techniques.
     
    No, it is not. Romans actually imported iron and steel from India (the origin of Damascus steel) as well as from Iberia internally.

    But the Romans did have a keen interest in mining since they bled bullion (gold and silver) to the tune of a billion sesterces a year at one point to buy eastern goods. Those were the only things that the Arabs, the Indians and the Chinese would accept from the Romans in any appreciable quantity.

    And the Roman state welcomed this, because foreign imports were taxed at quarter rate, and the taxes from the eastern trade financed a third of the imperial budget at its peak. Unfortunately this was unsustainable and led to massive devaluations of Roman currency in the end.
  99. @Twinkie
    @Stan d Mute


    Or maybe it was that they didn’t castrate their explorers like the Chinese did with (ex)He? What would Cortez have done if he were a eunuch?
     
    I don’t know if you are serious or not, but the eunuchs, being “New Men” (okay, maybe not so much men, but a new power), supported the voyages. It was the agrarian mandarins who opposed them and eventually got their way, burning the fleets, shipbuilding manuals, maps, and banning anything but coastal travels.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Johann Ricke

    It was the agrarian mandarins … burning the fleets, shipbuilding manuals, maps

    Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    Teacher: Where is your homework?

    Me: The dog… The agrarian mandarins burned it.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  100. @Thomm
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Inside of every third worlder “assimilated” to the West exists a third worlder just waiting to escape. No matter how civilized they appear, it’s always in there. This includes 2nd generation, or further.
     
    It seems that you are not aware that the West didn't pull ahead of Asia until the 19th century (and that too, only Western Europe; Eastern Europe never pulled ahead at all).

    Long before that, the inability of Northern Europe to civilize was well documented in the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar openly described the peoples of Northern Europe in the same terms as you describe blacks.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Tony, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie, @Hippopotamusdrome, @MikeatMikedotMike, @RadicalCenter

    History since then proved Caesar wrong.

    Has history similarly given the lie to the generalization about Africans’ greater propensity towards non-defensive chaos and violence within a society?

  101. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian



    regardless of what Julius Caesar wrote eons ago

     

    You mean the part where Celts broke into Caesar's carriage and stole his lyre?

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    I wish someone would break into Trump’s White House and steal HIS liar (Kushner).

  102. @SunBakedSuburb
    @216

    " ... Boomercon sportsball fans."

    White men, Boomers or not, who spend hours watching young blacks in tight shiny outfits playing with their balls need to do a bit of soul-searching. You are the problem, dumbasses.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @RadicalCenter

    Heartily agreed. There’s something self-hating and vaguely homosexual about it, too.

  103. @Corvinus
    @SunBakedSuburb

    "White men, Boomers or not, who spend hours watching young blacks in tight shiny outfits playing with their balls need to do a bit of soul-searching. You are the problem, dumbasses."

    Actually, you really need to take look in the mirror. Masculine men love sports and competition. It's in our nature.

    Replies: @216, @RadicalCenter, @SunBakedSuburb

    It’s perfectly possible to engage in, or watch, manly athletic competition without admitting, enriching, and worshipping egregiously stupid, ignorant, and for that matter butt-ugly men from an alien race that will not assimilate into your society and thinks you are a freaking faggot and a joke.

    How did the NHL get by all these decades, for example, without all those borderline-retarded semi-literate goons we call African-“Americans”?

  104. @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    Demography is a very shallow fair. Sure the country sadly built a demographic playground - that's too bad. That is in effect the identity playbook, and it was not created b y blacks. But if that is the game to be played, I guess that is the game to play.

    But this article is not about demographics. It's about fear mongering or emotionalizing to a demographic. The focus is on youth rioting. Nothing new and nonunique to blacks, perhaps, given the country's history of riots, blacks least of save as primary targets.

    So when you say demographics with manner of advance, I remain skeptical as to its veracity or salience. Now if you spoke to demographics about employment, opportunity, infrastructure to varying communities and the polity that surrounding their community and the issues involved --- that's a matter of demographic that actually has substance.

    I am not challenging the idea that demographics matter. But I think we had better address something beyond the color bait fear hyping. A survey based online by reuters is likely to get what demographic -- of course and that demographic has spent better than 200 years assuaging whites about blacks -- especially as it pertains to violence. So the survey itself - already peculiarly modeled.

    However, as I said, I get it and I get why. My view of the political landscape is not resting on agitating superficial emotions of my fellow citizens about their fellows, unless said fellows are actively engaged in some ethos that is destructive, i.e. easing legal or illegal immigration, giving wall street execs a pass on misbehavior, supporting needless international conflicts, etc. That votes for blacks is hardly anymore shocking that whites have voted for whites, even engaged in massive policies that exclusively benefited whites.

    There's demographics that matter and there's whites think blacks find any excuse to riot, which but reflects the attitudes of whites and those otherwise considered white. I attribute the gamesmanship here on the replacement theory --- something I am keenly atuned to, but prefer to shun in every way.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @RadicalCenter

    So did you raise your family in an African neighborhood? Have you retired to one?

    If not, why not? Are you unfairly fixated on the racial aspect of culture and behavior?

  105. @Corvinus
    @Audacious Epigone

    "Oh please, if my intention was to inflate/inflame, I could’ve just as easily only showed the percentages who disagree with the assertion..."

    Except we all know you wouldn't go down that road.

    "...blacks are always looking for a reason to destroy".

    Just like the Irish.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/whether-we-like-it-or-not-tallaght-looting-lifted-the-lid-on-a-class-torn-ireland-831037.html

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    So, what’s safer, cleaner, and more productive, a typical heavily-Irish neighborhood in the USA or a heavily-African neighborhood in the USA?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @RadicalCenter

    "So, what’s safer, cleaner, and more productive, a typical heavily-Irish neighborhood in the USA or a heavily-African neighborhood in the USA?"

    Depends upon what part of the neighborhood you are in.

    "It’s perfectly possible to engage in, or watch, manly athletic competition without admitting, enriching, and worshipping egregiously stupid, ignorant, and for that matter butt-ugly men from an alien race that will not assimilate into your society and thinks you are a freaking faggot and a joke."

    Boy, did that ever escalate quickly. Trigger much? The fact remains that most American white men engage in and watch athletic competitions, especially professional sports, because it represents masculine entertainment. Perhaps you got cut from a sport as a young lad and are harboring resentment. I suggest that you let it go, that was decades ago.

    "How did the NHL get by all these decades, for example, without all those borderline-retarded semi-literate goons we call African-“Americans”?"

    So now you are trying to put the NHL in a separate category, as if it seemingly is the "it's OK to be white sport" and therefore deserves a pass compared to the other sportsball leagues? LOL.

  106. @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    I'm thinking of blacks who are pro-life, who say they support lower taxation and less wealth redistribution, who identify as conservative, who oppose same-sex marriage, etc voting overwhelmingly--overwhelmingly!--for Obama over Romney.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @EliteCommInc., @EliteCommInc., @Twinkie, @RadicalCenter

    Man are you right.

    I work with a church-going “socially conservative” African-“American” woman. We get along well, and in some ways her personality and many of her views are a breath of fresh air in the ideologically extreme, unpleasant, closeminded, white-hating environment where we work.

    She thinks that homosexuals are going to Hell (and of course should not be allowed to “marry” each other or adopt children), that people divorce and sleep around far too much, that men should work hard, that men who refuse to work should have no respect and no subsidies, that the media and universities are promoting homosexuality and mental illness (“transgenderism”), etc. She also has expressed resentment of illegal aliens and doesn’t seem fond of Hispanics here generally.

    Yet she says, “Trump and those Republicans are nasty angry racists, at least Obama was a nice and honest man”, and will again vote for whatever Democrat they put up.

    This is by far not the first such experience I’ve had with this type of Affican-Merican.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  107. @Stan d Mute
    @Audacious Epigone

    In all fairness, Romney? Really? A silver spoon punk bitch who never produced anything in his life despite being born and raised in the center of American industry? A scavenging parasite who became rich by destroying American companies and the families that depended on them for their livelihood? A retard who wears magic underwear and believes that we came from Planet Kolob because a 19th Century Moses wannabe claimed that YHWH confided in him? A pathetic Cuck who walked back, no - fled from, the only truth he accidentally uttered (“the 47%”)?

    That Romney?

    I nearly voted for Obola over Romney and I’m pretty sure I’d be considered off the scale “right” on most issues. I did check the Obola box on my ballot before I fed it to my shredder in disgust.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    You are aware that other candidates were running besides Obama and Romney, right? Makes zero sense to say that you even considered voting for Obama, especially given the sensible things you routinely say.

    See your point about the disgusting “choice” between the major-party candidates, of course.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @RadicalCenter


    Makes zero sense to say that you even considered voting for Obama, especially given the sensible things you routinely say.
     
    My reasoning is that this ship is going down, inevitably, and that I’d rather be able to help my family get aboard a lifeboat and then begin building the next thing than to abandon them to their fate - a fate they didn’t cause or earn - a fate shat upon them by two dysgenically bred and impossibly narcissistic generations. Better the fall of American empire today so I can take the bullet for my kids. And I think it’s demonstrable that Obola accelerated our due date more than a President of Planet Kolob Romney would have done. Let’s just get this shit over with and quit heaping the shit onto the next generation, guaranteeing it will only be that much worse for them.
  108. @Twinkie
    @Stan d Mute


    Or maybe it was that they didn’t castrate their explorers like the Chinese did with (ex)He? What would Cortez have done if he were a eunuch?
     
    I don’t know if you are serious or not, but the eunuchs, being “New Men” (okay, maybe not so much men, but a new power), supported the voyages. It was the agrarian mandarins who opposed them and eventually got their way, burning the fleets, shipbuilding manuals, maps, and banning anything but coastal travels.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Johann Ricke

    I don’t know if you are serious or not, but the eunuchs, being “New Men” (okay, maybe not so much men, but a new power), supported the voyages. It was the agrarian mandarins who opposed them and eventually got their way, burning the fleets, shipbuilding manuals, maps, and banning anything but coastal travels.

    Indeed. I have read that palace eunuchs had no part in the writing* of Chinese history. As men personally loyal to the emperor, they have relentlessly been vilified by the scholar officials, typically men from wealthy landed families with their own private armies, who made up the Chinese bureaucracy and wrote the histories (essentially extended homilies) commissioned by the reigning dynasty of both predecessor rulers and ruling houses. While other scapegoats were alluded to, dynastic collapses tended to be laid, disproportionately, at the feet of corrupt eunuchs.

    * A number of scholar officials were castrated for offending the emperor, including several well-known historians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sima_Qian , but they weren’t the low status eunuchs who had given up their family jewels as the price of entering imperial service.

  109. @Twinkie
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Iberian caravels were modified Islamic qaribs. They were small and maneuverable, and were meant for exploration and scouting.

    The Chinese ships of the time were considerably larger and had sealed bulkheads. They were multirole ships that could transport heavy loads of goods, men, and cannons, and were probably much more suited for colonization/conquest, were the Chinese so inclined (they weren’t). Zheng He’s fleet had 10-20,0000 marines/troops at one point.

    The Chinese reached Arabia and the Horn of Africa. Even if they could have reached Europe, what would have been the point for them? Since the times of Greeks and Romans, bullion (silver and gold) flowed from the West to the East in return for exotics of the East (spices, incense, porcelain, silk, etc.), because the West had little in the way of products that interested the East. During the Roman times, the Romans tried to export wine, but Asians generally found them too bitter. You of course know why the British wanted export - bu force if necessary - opium to China - because the British were bleeding silver massively to finance the Western tea habit.

    In any case, the Chinese were far more worried about defending their northern land border and considered these voyages foolish luxuries. Such are the contingencies of history.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Johann Ricke

    The Chinese ships of the time were considerably larger and had sealed bulkheads. They were multirole ships that could transport heavy loads of goods, men, and cannons, and were probably much more suited for colonization/conquest, were the Chinese so inclined (they weren’t). Zheng He’s fleet had 10-20,0000 marines/troops at one point.

    My guess is that they were principally concerned with holding on to territory, both the new conquests and their continental-sized empire. The fact that most of the American colonies ended up splitting off from their European sovereigns illustrates that the concerns* of Chinese rulers were justified. Note also that military expeditions overseas that drained the imperial treasury did not similarly drain the coffers of wealthy gentry possessed of large private armies, waiting for their opportunity to seize the throne.

    * The first emperor of Vietnam is said to be a Chinese general who went native. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Tuo Aged 103 when he died, he might just be the longest-lived ruler in recorded history.

  110. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Twinkie



    Since the times of Greeks and Romans, bullion (silver and gold) flowed from the West to the East in return for exotics of the East

     

    I guess that's a backhanded way of saying Europe was always the most advanced in mining and metallurgy techniques.


    During the Roman times, the Romans tried to export wine, but Asians generally found them too bitter.

     

    Well, if the Romans weren't good enough, then I have to concede that later Europeans were indeed backwards.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I guess that’s a backhanded way of saying Europe was always the most advanced in mining and metallurgy techniques.

    No, it is not. Romans actually imported iron and steel from India (the origin of Damascus steel) as well as from Iberia internally.

    But the Romans did have a keen interest in mining since they bled bullion (gold and silver) to the tune of a billion sesterces a year at one point to buy eastern goods. Those were the only things that the Arabs, the Indians and the Chinese would accept from the Romans in any appreciable quantity.

    And the Roman state welcomed this, because foreign imports were taxed at quarter rate, and the taxes from the eastern trade financed a third of the imperial budget at its peak. Unfortunately this was unsustainable and led to massive devaluations of Roman currency in the end.

  111. @RadicalCenter
    @Corvinus

    So, what's safer, cleaner, and more productive, a typical heavily-Irish neighborhood in the USA or a heavily-African neighborhood in the USA?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “So, what’s safer, cleaner, and more productive, a typical heavily-Irish neighborhood in the USA or a heavily-African neighborhood in the USA?”

    Depends upon what part of the neighborhood you are in.

    “It’s perfectly possible to engage in, or watch, manly athletic competition without admitting, enriching, and worshipping egregiously stupid, ignorant, and for that matter butt-ugly men from an alien race that will not assimilate into your society and thinks you are a freaking faggot and a joke.”

    Boy, did that ever escalate quickly. Trigger much? The fact remains that most American white men engage in and watch athletic competitions, especially professional sports, because it represents masculine entertainment. Perhaps you got cut from a sport as a young lad and are harboring resentment. I suggest that you let it go, that was decades ago.

    “How did the NHL get by all these decades, for example, without all those borderline-retarded semi-literate goons we call African-“Americans”?”

    So now you are trying to put the NHL in a separate category, as if it seemingly is the “it’s OK to be white sport” and therefore deserves a pass compared to the other sportsball leagues? LOL.

  112. @Corvinus
    @SunBakedSuburb

    "White men, Boomers or not, who spend hours watching young blacks in tight shiny outfits playing with their balls need to do a bit of soul-searching. You are the problem, dumbasses."

    Actually, you really need to take look in the mirror. Masculine men love sports and competition. It's in our nature.

    Replies: @216, @RadicalCenter, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Masculine men love sports and competition. It’s in our nature.”

    Biologically, we’re wired for competition. What you describe is mindless competition. There is nothing masculine about corporate sports fandom; it is the opposite of masculinity. It is infantilization.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @SunBakedSuburb

    "Biologically, we’re wired for competition. What you describe is mindless competition."

    If we're wired for competition...we're wired for competition. It's not "mindless", it's "mindful".

    "There is nothing masculine about corporate sports fandom; it is the opposite of masculinity. It is infantilization."

    Tens of millions of strapping white men would beg to differ. So how do you propose to convince them?

  113. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Corvinus

    "Masculine men love sports and competition. It's in our nature."

    Biologically, we're wired for competition. What you describe is mindless competition. There is nothing masculine about corporate sports fandom; it is the opposite of masculinity. It is infantilization.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Biologically, we’re wired for competition. What you describe is mindless competition.”

    If we’re wired for competition…we’re wired for competition. It’s not “mindless”, it’s “mindful”.

    “There is nothing masculine about corporate sports fandom; it is the opposite of masculinity. It is infantilization.”

    Tens of millions of strapping white men would beg to differ. So how do you propose to convince them?

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  114. @RadicalCenter
    @Stan d Mute

    You are aware that other candidates were running besides Obama and Romney, right? Makes zero sense to say that you even considered voting for Obama, especially given the sensible things you routinely say.

    See your point about the disgusting "choice" between the major-party candidates, of course.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Makes zero sense to say that you even considered voting for Obama, especially given the sensible things you routinely say.

    My reasoning is that this ship is going down, inevitably, and that I’d rather be able to help my family get aboard a lifeboat and then begin building the next thing than to abandon them to their fate – a fate they didn’t cause or earn – a fate shat upon them by two dysgenically bred and impossibly narcissistic generations. Better the fall of American empire today so I can take the bullet for my kids. And I think it’s demonstrable that Obola accelerated our due date more than a President of Planet Kolob Romney would have done. Let’s just get this shit over with and quit heaping the shit onto the next generation, guaranteeing it will only be that much worse for them.

  115. @EliteCommInc.
    @Audacious Epigone

    http://ideas.time.com/2012/10/19/viewpoint-will-blacks-vote-for-obama-because-hes-black/

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    “the question itself is racist and offensive”

    Yep, that pretty much sums up the totalitarian left.

  116. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @LostHopeless


    If we knew the germanics were such pussies, we’d have had the mafia take things in their “hands” back in the late 19th century.
     
    I feel personally ashamed by this. The founding stock of the country barely gives a peep as it gets destroyed!

    I travel in some "far right" circles in Canada. Let's look at the ethnicities. Hmm, Italian, Croat, Serb, Ukrainian, Pole. Where are the Germanics??? Québec is doing a remarkable job; due to geographical issues I'm unfortunately not familiar with their groups. But Anglos and Germanics are barely present! How pathetic. The country is being preserved by immigrants who were shit on upon arrival by the same Anglos.

    These are also the countries in Europe who are reclaiming their homelands.

    Ironically, they’ve met their match in the Hindus

     

    Hindus are super Jews - even better verbal agility. Yet, that also stands out - you can always tell who is a shitskin just based on how dishonestly they argue. They follow the same pattern (see Thomm, Corvinus). Furthermore, an Indian stands out, they cannot blend in with whites as Jews can.

    Chinks are just psychopaths. They have a massive inferiority complex with respect to whites, meaning they have a burning hatred towards us.

    And I do not know how anything other than a secession/civil war can change the course now. The US empire has to die before things can change for the better.
     
    If such an event were to happen today, would you be an asset for your cause, or a liability? Better prepare yourself, network, etc.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Hindus are super Jews – even better verbal agility.

    I read that sentence with Apu’s voice.

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