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Republicans overwhelmingly want Donald Trump to continue to fight the perceived vote fraud in an election they view as crooked:


From these graphs we can deduce that something like 10% of Republicans and independents doubt the election was on the up-and-up but want Trump to concede anyway. “For the good of the country”, it is common to hear these Washington Generals say.

This national split exists despite a full court press from all the approved sources of information and entertainment to treat the election results as final and Trump’s refusal to concede as dangerously dictatorial. Half the country is impervious to the mendacity–and the veracity–of the corporate media. It is incorrect to say the media has no influence. That suggests indifference. Instead, the media’s influence is negative. If the media reports it, half the country assumes the opposite to be true.

It’s really something to see the people who spent the last four years denying the integrity of the 2016 election decrying the other half of the country for refusing to accept the integrity of this one. Reaping what is sown, chickens coming home to roost, taking something and then paying for it–the aphorisms are unending. The US as it is currently constituted, however, is not unending.

 
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  1. but like…….what is the fraud?

    everything brought in court gets laughed out immediately, Dominion+the voting machines was a joke, the “”mathematical”” efforts…..

    AKarlin is right. MAGA Cope is understandable, but pretty obviously just reduces to “i know that our institutions are rotten, i know they don’t want Trump, so it must have been fraud”

  2. … everything brought in court gets laughed out immediately, Dominion+the voting machines was a joke, the “”mathematical”” efforts…..

    You’ve gotta stop binge-watching CNN & MSNBC.

    Shouldn’t Trump get at least the same month or so that Al Gore took to challenge 2000 before he concedes?

    If the Dems didn’t have a proven … hell, a brazenly admitted history of rigging elections with “found” ballot boxes, then one might chalk this up to MAGA Cope, but people have been sent to death row on less convincing circumstantial evidence.

    BTW, nothing gets “laughed out” of a court, but the dismissals can hardly be accepted as non-partisan. A number of cases dismissed or denied would warrant appeal on Constitutional grounds, but aside from PA, the courts will let things wend their way to the certification of Electors in December rather than direct specific remedies.

    • Replies: @Macumazahn
  3. El Dato says:

    Chaos in Wayne County

    https://www.rt.com/usa/507155-wayne-country-certification-debacle/

    Less than 24 hours later, both officials made yet another about-face, and now state in affidavits that they believe the vote should not have been certified in the first place. It was not immediately clear if the previous night’s compromise would be nullified, but the development clearly opens the door for litigation.

    According to the affidavits signed by Monica Palmer and William C. Hartmann, over 70 percent of the Detroit Absentee Voter Count Board (AVCB) was out of balance with the voter books, many inexplicably so.

    Not sure what that means.

    Following the deadlock, there was a two-hour public reaction period, during which the two Republicans were subjected to “harsh comments,” many of them via Zoom.

    Being threatened via Zoom must be like getting an “All Your Base are belong to us – you have no way to survive make your time!” message, only in real life. Take off every ZIG for great justice!!

    “The comments made accusations of racism and threatened me and members of my family,” Palmer said. According to Hartmann, the two “were berated and ridiculed by members of the public and other Board members.”

    The pressure was not limited to disparaging remarks. The Detroit Free Press said the election board site was spammed with messages containing personal details of the dissenting Republicans and links to their social media pages with the apparent goal “to create offline consequences” for Palmer and Hartmann. Some people who were outraged by the holdup called for the places where the two work to be found out and revealed, while one commenter offered a reward for anyone willing to confront them in person.

    There was also similarly vicious pushback against Democratic representative-elect Abraham Aiyash. One of the online critics, he accused [Monica Palmer] of “deciding to enable and continuing to perpetuate the racist history of this country,” and suggested that she should think about what that means for her kids and their future interactions with black schoolmates. The remarks went viral and were interpreted by many as a threat against Palmer’s family, causing a wave of anger against Aiyash.


    “I smell bad voting”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. There is ZERO institutional interest (Political, legal, academic, finance, professional, religious) in another Trump term, regardless of the actual vote, the discovery/admission of voter fraud. or rending of the last vestiges of an uneasy societal comity. There is no real dispute about being rid of Trump, as only some people want him, and the people lost their sovereignty in the Great Tech Trade. The Powers That Be and all their minions want Trump gone. The Big Boys want to move on to the next phase of stealing everything they want, and the minions think their master will continue to feed them table scraps. Come what may, clear fraud or not, Mr. Trump will NOT be inaugurated on 20 Jan. This is not a new thing.

    The wallowing over Trump v Biden is a smoke screen for the dispute (very real, very important, thus completely hidden and unremarked anywhere in the “free press” of this world) about who will be POTUS in January. Biden is, in facr, in significant cognitive decline. Ms. Harris is either the cagiest, most able opportunist in the history of the world, or a lucky, fundamentally unserious person who has been wise in her choice of bed partners. Will she actually replace Biden? You think that isn’t up for review and editing?

  5. iffen says:

    The US as it is currently constituted, however, is not unending.

    Let’s wait and see what encouragement we get from a full analysis of what the Republican gains in the House may portend.

    Also, I know that I’m one of the worst at worrying about the D&F, but let’s be realistic. Do Greeks and Italians go outside these days and see the ruins, or visit their national museums, and then commit suicide en masse? The Chinese have been down for hundreds of years at a time and now they seem to be flourishing again. Why should “we” be any different?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  6. @Brian Reilly

    Yeah, whatever one makes of the extent of the shenanigans (such as ballot harvesting) enabled by the lower security to this special high mail-in election, the left-leaning Powers That Be no doubt are set on not having to manage their way through another volatile term of Trump. The sweet spot for the Powers That Be going forward, presumably, with the Trump brand diminished by the loss, would be that the Republican party remain the Party of Trump, setting up over the next four year cycle sort of a Globetrotters vs Generals spectacle promising to be full of hijinks.

    • Replies: @Brian Reilly
  7. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Big Dick Bandit

    AKarlin is right. MAGA Cope is understandable, but pretty obviously just reduces to “i know that our institutions are rotten, i know they don’t want Trump, so it must have been fraud”

    It’s amusing to see exactly the same psychology at work as in 2016. The same inability of both Hillary supporters and Trump supporters to process the idea that their favoured candidate could somehow lose. It’s a disturbing trend. Which is likely to continue. From this point on every election will follow the same pattern, with the losers refusing to accept defeat.

    • Disagree: LondonBob
  8. Who cares what Trumptards and Repubs want or don’t want.

    Who cares if the MAGA tears won’t stop flowing? They can flow like a river and nobody cares.

    Nobody cares about sore losers and spoilt crybabies whether they are Trumptards or Dems.

    Truly does the S in USA stand for Shithole, and the A for Assholery.

  9. @Brian Reilly

    If the Dem and Deep State powers really want to crank up the anti-white anti-family business violence, looting, and mass unrest to another level — and we know they do — they can do this:

    (1) replace Biden with Harris before the Electoral College votes (or start publicly admitting a “recent” decline in Biden’s mental capacity and concern over his ability to serve, making clear that he will step down for Harris soon),

    (2) wait to see if Republican-governed States have the balls and decency to certify a slate of Trump electors in the close states that he apparently won absent fraud (e.g. Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania), giving Trump the required 270 electoral votes on January 6th, 2021;

    (3) then shout that “Racist Republicans are denying the presidency to a WOMAN OF COLOR!”

  10. @Big Dick Bandit

    I think Sydney Powell did great, patriotic work in the Michael Flynn case, and when she made accusations, she delivered. I am waiting to see what she has when she finally shows her hand. I think it’s likely been oversold now, but if she’s really got nothing, I’m going to be pretty disappointed in her. She’ll have tarnished her reputation going into any future. Same with Project Veritas. They have done some great work in the past, but if their ventures into exposing vote fraud turn out to be bullshit, they are going to destroy their reputation.

    At this point, I am most worried about the Georgia senate elections.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks, Redman
    • Replies: @Lot
  11. Jtgw says:

    The Rothbardian strategist in me cares less whether the fraud actually occurred than that the government has become delegitimized in eyes of most people. Now the motives are in the open rather than hidden. Now we see that it was only ever about party, not principle or patriotism. Now the true nature of the State is revealed as one class exploiting another, not the sentimental humbug about everyone working together for a common goal.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  12. Dumbo says:
    @Big Dick Bandit

    A. Karlin? The same guy who was “so right” about corona “millions dying” and yet refuses to accept it? The one who tells us to wear masks?

    It was obviously fraud, but, probably Trump is in on it and this is all just pretence.

    The idea is to “divide and conquer” as much as possible, and so it’s to the elites’ advantage to play this game as longer as they can. But in the end I think we will see a Biden presidency.

  13. If Trump and the Republicans had followed the polls they wouldn’t have to bother with accusations of fraud.

    Healthcare is a major issue that crosses party lines and Trump dragged his feet for 4 years. Trying to destroy the ACA was a huge mistake. That is what the polls said, not merely my personal opinion. The ACA has widespread support and the Republicans were trying to kill it off with a total BS line about wanting to replace it with something better.

    Republicans need to put down the free market crack pipe when it comes to healthcare. There are real problems related to access and rising costs that cannot be solved with quips about free market magic.

    If Trump had governed as a centrist on healthcare he would have won with at least 55% of the popular vote. I think it would have been closer to 60%.

    Trump and the DC Republicans lost this election. Good job guys, now we get a Manchurian candidate and soon it will be President Harris. All because you guys couldn’t one move one inch on health care. Now go check your health care stocks and bow to your Alisa Rosenbaum statue. F-nging great job guys.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  14. Wyatt says:

    “For the good of the country”

    The country has been embroiled in bombing foreigners for the last 60 years and Trump is the first since Carter to try and deescalate it. He’s the first president since Bush to not completely cave to the Israelis and give them what they want (a hellscape Syria that cannot resist Israeli encroachment.) He’s the only president to ever even vaguely address the anti-white bias in the established government, even if it was just a desperation move to try and curry last minute votes.

    People who say, “for the good of the country” in this context are pussies of incredible magnitude who want to lead continuously worsening, piddling lives that don’t require them to think or act for their greater interests and the interests of their children.

    And people like that should never be given political franchise.

  15. @Big Dick Bandit

    This is probably a troll post, but if we are to be constructive, a good brief layman’s summary on this topic that I’ve come across is this post by author Larry Correia. I haven’t seen it linked in the comments around here before, though it’s gotten a fair bit of attention in other places:

    https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/

    For me personally, the absolutely convincing evidence for massive election fraud (in the absence of the “smoking gun”) is the combination of:

    * Bizarre, historically unparalleled high turnout in key Rust Belt states. Hovering somewhere around 70 percent, give or take a few, all the way back since the 1960s, now it’s 90 percent? Sounds believable, right?

    * Bizarre, historically unparalleled distribution of the votes as they were counted, in these same key areas — i.e., those funny graphs that became memes. And all of it, of course, favoring the Biden Camel ticket.

    * Despite a huge surge in absentee voting, supposed turnout in general and general chaos, fewer mail-in ballots being disqualified this year than in 2016. I mean, at this point it’s just pure gaslighting.

    That the wormtongues in Washington and the Mouth of Sauron himself (also sometimes known as the New York Times) then have the gall to tell me that this was the Safest Election Ever™ of course doesn’t make me any less inclined to believe that the exact opposite is closer to the truth. But the objective facts speak plainly enough.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  16. @Big Dick Bandit

    Fraud favoring the more deeply embedded ruling party should be the null hypothesis, without extreme scrutiny you’d be a fool to expect it not to happen given it would be really easy and low risk.

    And there have been (reportedly) a lot of anomalies. We’re all operating on third-hand knowledge so it’s hard to say how credible they are, but in particular if just the huge number of people voting Biden and nobody down ballot, and his underformance in urban areas except those key areas where he needed a big jump to materialize are accurate, you’d be a fool to take those at face value, “hard” evidence or not. And that’s not mentioning the other plethora of procedural irregularities.

    Likewise, state-level dismissal of court cases means about as much as any other tendentious ruling in favor of the powers that be, like that for the executive to rescind an executive order is “unconstitutional”. Again, the null hypothesis should be that the operatives of the State will rule as the owners of the State wish them to, especially now as the need to enforce a faultering State’s authority becomes acute. Depending on enemy controlled institutions to act in your favor is a bad idea, which is why pushing this to the supreme court asap is smart. Supremes are less beholden to the establishment (so defection is easier) and are better disposed to Trump’s faction personally.

    And whether there actually was fraud or not is secondary in situational analysis; if he loses he loses for good and then his enemies, having solidified their hold, will most likely do their best to destroy him and his family personally. You may as well fight with all you’ve got if the worst case is likely if you either way. This is the same even approaching it from the position of “populism” or “nationalism” broadly, the enemy having greater legitimacy can never be good.

    Whether they are illegitimate because of fraud is debatable, but they are definitely illegitimate because they’re evil and exploitational toward their own people, so in the end the reasoning males no difference.

  17. @John Regan

    The problem I see is that Republicans from the beginning had planned to win by electoral vote and only barely. That is a poor strategy. They never cared about independents and planned on picking up an electoral win from the base.

    Polls were showing early on that independents did not approve of how Trump was handling the virus.

    I am one of those independents.

    He never really acted like a leader and I think that made it harder on everyone. He needed to drop the petty tweeting and turn off Fox news.

    I warned about him not taking it seriously back when it was overloading hospitals and the Trump Train here accused me of being on the side of the media. No I was on the side of the hospitals and the public.

    Well Trump Train I hope you are happy with the outcome. Downplaying videos of patients in hallways really worked out. My favorite part was accusing health care workers of lying for deep state. Anyone can go dig through my comments to see how I was shouted down here for being concerned about the hospitals. Totally insane.

  18. A123 says:
    @Big Dick Bandit

    but like…….what is the fraud?

    In Georgia they are trying to steal the recount by illegally limiting the number of (and access for) GOP observers. Despite these restrictions, they stopped at least 10,000 Fraudulent votes for Biden. (1)

    If 10% of needed coverage stopped ~10,000 that means the fraud is over 100,000 illegal count for Biden. Plenty to flip the state to a comfortable win for Trump.
    ____

    The fraud is provable and everywhere. Only the willfully ignorant who Cannot Cope with Biden’s Loss, such as the Fake Stream Media, think otherwise.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/georgia-recount-monitor-catches-9626-vote-error-during-hand-recount

  19. @The Alarmist

    Everyone seems to have forgotten that Gore did in fact concede immediately after the election in 2000, but then withdrew his concession – thereby demonstrating beyond any doubt that he was (and still is) entirely unacquainted with the concept of honor.

  20. Off topic but important:

    COVID is popping off rather a lot now. Hospitals might actually become overwhelmed in some places.

    Here is the Washington Post finally realizing the humidity/COVID thing, nine months after I started hammering on it:

    “This winter, fight covid-19 with humidity”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/18/winter-covid-19-humidity/

    • Thanks: John Achterhof
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Tlotsi
  21. Dumbo says:

    Most people are zombies, or dumber than zombies. Please note that even among liberals there was ZERO enthusiasm for Biden. If it had been Bernie, OK, I could understand. But Biden? It was really about Anyone-but-Trump. Dems hate Trump so much that anything else was better (in their minds). They might as well have put a dead corpse as a candidate. But that this is the “most voted candidate in the history of the US”? It beggars belief, no, it beggars simple logic.

    But the weird thing is, even if not in the numbers they say, many people voted for Biden-Kamala. Even discounting the obvious fraud, millions of people – millions of white people – still voted for Biden-Kamala, which really goes to show that most people are not very smart, or can’t even understand their own predicament. I mean here’s a candidate that was practically spelling as its platform “DIE, WHITEY, DIE” and still was voted by a large number of whites. (Of course, for many whites, being anti-white is a plus, not a minus).

    Also, if you think that billions of people have swallowed the official “COVID” narrative hook, line and sinker, then they can accept without quibbles a much minor electoral fraud.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  22. Dumbo says:
    @DanHessinMD

    Covid is a fraud, an even bigger fraud than the election. That so many intelligent people can’t see it, even here at “alternative media” UR, is astounding.

    • Agree: Libre
  23. The Democrats are united by their motto, “win by any means necessary.” If the Republicans were a real opposition, and actually united, and actually supported Trump (all questionable), they could keep Trump in office. This essay tells how:

    https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/18/in-a-power-game-victory-goes-to-the-daring/

    I believe most Trump voters want him to “win by any means necessary.” If the Democrats have taught us anything these last four years, it’s that playing nice is for losers.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  24. @John Achterhof

    John, I hope it is as innocuous as the Harlem Globetrotters. If so, we will know tht the ship is not sinking quite as quickly as it had seemed. But hope ain’t much of a plan….

  25. Dr. Doom says:

    All bad things come to a grisly end. Such as Zionist Supremacy.

    All democracies die in a fire. Let this be a lesson for the ages.

    The credibility or lack thereof is a greater threat than Trump.

    Can this failed state continue without the support of the working class?

    I doubt it can or will.

    The billionaires are hated by BOTH ENDS of the political spectrum.

    The tribe that spawned them will get the BLAME FOR EVERYTHING.

  26. fnn says:

    It gets crazier, if this is true:

  27. @Jtgw

    the government has become delegitimized in eyes of most people.

    Good point–and it is about to get a _lot_ worse.

    It looks like the CIA (and maybe other agencies as well) used voting machine software to rig elections abroad, and now it has “blown back” to the U.S.

    This is a nightmare of epic proportions, and no-one of good will should be pleased about that.

    To those who want to blame the average folks of the US for this intelligence agency nightmare–just don’t do it.

    These agencies made their own decisions without our consent.

    • Replies: @anon
  28. JimDandy says:
    @Brian Reilly

    Could this kind of thing be a factor?

    An animal-of-color attacks a white woman on the El in Chicago, beats her and sexually assaults her–on video–and the female Dem judge-of-color sentences him to probation?

    I used to fear civil war.

    https://cwbchicago.com/2020/11/court-report-sexual-assault-allegations-end-with-probation-for-two-men.html

  29. Truth says:

    Well hell, if two candidates got 99.9% of the airtime in a country of 330 million, one can assume the election wasn’t held fairly.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  30. Lot says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    “At this point, I am most worried about the Georgia senate elections.”

    Yeah my concern is that they become a referendum on whether Trump is being a sore loser or not, and by early January, the numbers are even worse than they are here.

    And they are fairly bad already in AE’s graphic.

    “I’m going to be pretty disappointed in her.”

    Yes, you will.

    Trump’s got a motley crew of C-league lawyers that aren’t even putting the right name of the court on their complaints.

    If he had a strong case, there’d be high end GOP lawyers lined up to argue it and get a top DOJ or Circuit Court seat in return. The claims have no evidence, no substance, no prospects.

    I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to a Trumpist coup, but it just isn’t shaping up to happen. The fact the Dems didn’t win the Senate ends up helping Biden, since there won’t be any court packing or admitting DC/PR as states. Even if they win both GA seats, Joe Machin has said no to all of these things. So GOP elites don’t need Trump to veto the left’s wish list.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  31. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Truth

    Well hell, if two candidates got 99.9% of the airtime in a country of 330 million, one can assume the election wasn’t held fairly.

    Good point. If you want democracy then alternative third-party candidates should be given air time to present their programs. Which means you need publicly funded election campaigns. Which offers the added advantage of breaking the power of the donor class.

    • Agree: Truth
  32. anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @Justvisiting

    It looks like the CIA (and maybe other agencies as well) used voting machine software to rig elections abroad, and now it has “blown back” to the U.S.

    One server in Germany. One server in Spain? Another server in Canada? Two companies?

  33. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    C’mon man, Trump not conceding is just like the Holocaust!

    https://forward.com/news/national/458540/from-joy-to-oyholocaust-survivors-and-scholars-react-to-bidens-win-and-its/

    For Holocaust survivors, Trump’s refusal to concede is a bad memory

    Marisa Fox-Bevilacqua
    November 14, 2020

    “I had worried so much before the election. I was happy to find out that maybe I was wrong and that I had overreacted, but now I can’t help but feel alarmed,” said Fogel-Weiss, a survivor from the Czech town of Botragy, now in Ukraine. “Everyday reminds me and others like me of the history we thought we left behind. It’s not an easy time for survivors or immigrants who get how easily it can happen here.”

    She is far from alone. In post-election interviews, numerous Holocaust survivors report feeling both relieved at the results, and nervous about President Donald Trump’s continued unwillingness to concede defeat…

    AP says Joe won by 6 million in the popular votes. Now Trump not conceding is really just like the Holocaust!

    https://hosted.ap.org/republicanherald/article/372af3b89bc1f5f0f6d7f8c80025a9b0/biden-approaches-80-million-votes-historic-victory

    Nov. 18, 2020

    Biden Approaches 80 Million Votes In Historic Victory

    By Nicholas Riccardi
    Associated Press

    President-elect Joe Biden’s winning tally is approaching a record 80 million votes as Democratic bastions continue to count ballots and the 2020 election cracks turnout records…

    The rising Biden tally and his popular vote lead — nearly 6 million votes — come as Trump has escalated his false insistence that he actually won the election

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  34. @Joseph Doaks

    I believe most Trump voters want him to “win by any means necessary.”

    This is an interesting contention. I hope everyone here has read Moldbug’s “Reflections on the late election” and listened to his podcast interview with Chris Buskirk. Obviously, most Trump supporters will not have, but it’s very possible that Republican pundits like writers for American Greatness have.

    If Trump is unconsciously moving to take the election by any means he is not following the Moldbug strategy well yet. Move fast, keep moving, and don’t stop long enough to let the opposition think too much. The lawsuits should have been prepared ahead of time. Now, they need to press those lawsuits and have the next stage ready.

    If Republicans are acting in a state of post-Moldbug self-knowledge, they better have read their Moldbug carefully so they understand they’re playing for keeps and they need all hands on deck.

    My guess is that, instead of acting out of strategy, what we saw come out of the Trump campaign and from the right is less strategy and more a mix of desperation and Cope.

    I still hope Powell has some meat. My initial reaction to their accusations of the election being rigged by Venezuelan bogeyman was “scam” but we’ll see. I hope I’m wrong because if it is and they lose, this will hurt us in more ways than one.

    I remain most concerned about Georgia’s runoff elections, which no one seems to be focused on even though we have just seen what the failure to prepare for election shenanigans brings.

  35. @Anonymous

    ” Nicholas Riccardi Associated press”

    Why not just quote the DNC or NYT? Who gives a damn what the propaganda organs for the Democrats have to say?

    AJM

  36. Why should the billionaires like Bloomberg gamble millions every election cycle?

    They rig the stock market in their favor. They rig legislation in their favor. The rig the media in their favor. They rig global wars in their favor.

    They violate every honor system put in front of them, because their avarice tells them to. They’re predictable. They don’t like to lose. They don’t care if people die. If a billionaire had the opportunity to rig an election and not get caught, and save millions in the process, does anyone think they wouldn’t?

    It was inevitable that they’d go after the low-hanging fruit of election counting. With software and cyber-crime giving good return on effort, it was too hard to resist.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  37. Mark G. says:
    @John Johnson

    Republicans need to put down the free market crack pipe when it comes to healthcare. There are real problems related to access and rising costs that cannot be solved with quips about free market magic.

    In 1960 the U.S. spent 6% of GDP on healthcare and ranked in the top dozen countries in the world in average life expectancy. Now it spends 16% and doesn’t even make the top twenty five in average life expectancy. Since 1960, starting with Medicare and Medicaid in the sixties, the government has become more, not less, involved in healthcare. So you can’t say the free market is the problem since we spent less with better results when we had a more free market system than we do now.

    • Agree: Libre
  38. If he had a strong case, there’d be high end GOP lawyers lined up to argue it and get a top DOJ or Circuit Court seat in return. The claims have no evidence, no substance, no prospects.

    Yeah, but the problem is those high end GOP lawyers are all part of the establishment; they would not want to have their “good names” tarnished by being associated with Trump. Even if there were some who were so inclined, concerns over being doxxed and the safety of their families would stop them.

    As for the validity of the claims, I don’t know what to believe. But I think it’s fair to assume that if one side has consistently acted in bad faith that the safe way to bet is that they haven’t stopped.

  39. Dr. Doom says:

    The system could have gone another four years under Trump.

    But the stupid is too much for them to strategize anymore.

    They would rather show all their corruption rather than continue.

    War is now inevitable. It has already started and must go hot.

    The left will be sorely disappointed with business as usual Biden.

    They will probably start the war themselves by attacking “Trump” voters.

    It should all be over by 2029, with no more elections and a Strong Autocrat.

  40. Rosie says:

    NPR threatening Trump:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/11/20/937044524/once-out-of-office-trump-faces-significant-legal-peril

    I suspect Trump is bargaining for his own hide right now. “Look the other way on voter fraud or we’ll make an example of you,” say TPTB.

    • Replies: @A123
  41. A123 says:
    @Rosie

    NPR threatening Trump:

    If that is what NPR is trying, it is going to backfire. BIGLY!

    Trump has been threatened by NYC mobsters and unions (if those are 2 different things). After that, NPR is about as threatening as a toothless geriatric chihuahua.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Chrisnonymous
  42. Rosie says:
    @A123

    After that, NPR is about as threatening as a toothless geriatric chihuahua.

    NPR is just the messenger.

  43. @A123

    The problem is that, as we saw in Russiagate/Flynngate, the left is willing to lie and unjustly imprison people, and “left” includes members of law enforcement.

  44. @Beavertales

    It was inevitable that they’d go after the low-hanging fruit of election counting. With software and cyber-crime giving good return on effort, it was too hard to resist.

    Our fellow citizens need not let our states use software and cyber at the polls. The citizenry could insist on a simple, locked box into which paper ballots are dropped.

    That used to work. It might solve some problems. If it did, then the software/cyber question would no longer need to be addressed.

    Hanging chads seem preferable to inscrutable transistors.

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  45. @V. K. Ovelund

    Yes, even if from a technological perspective, paper/mechanical recording is not superior to computerization, it is transparent to all how it works. This is not unimportant when there is an issue of buy-in based in legitimacy of process.

    If the uniparty were interested in promoting election integrity, it would have long ago standardized voting nationwide with a very simple but robust system that would leave a clear paper trail for recounts. But there is no will to do that. Washington is not really interested in what flyover country thinks about how the sausage is made.

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  46. Speaking of election integrity, I note that retweeters are reporting SCOTUS assignments that appear to put the right wing of the court in charge oversight of states where votes are in contention. Assuming this is true, is this a “Republican” plan to help Trump or a Roberts plan to avoid accusations from the right when Trump loses his legal battles?

  47. @Chrisnonymous

    Yes, even if from a technological perspective, paper/mechanical recording is not superior to computerization, it is transparent to all how it works. This is not unimportant when there is an issue of buy-in based in legitimacy of process.

    That is what I meant to say. You said it better.

  48. dfordoom says: • Website

    Republicans Do Not Want Trump to Concede

    It might be more accurate to say Republicans Do Not Want Trump to Have Lost.

  49. @iffen

    Because the “we” in these contexts are quite different; in the former cases it is continual, in ours it largely won’t be. I guess we could say American Indians are doing well–look how much more advanced this continent is today than it was 500 years ago!

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