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Favorability distributions of Donald Trump and of the Republican party among the over 74 million people who voted for Trump:

While 73% of the 74 million people who voted for Trump have a “very favorable” opinion of him, only 32% of those people have a “very favorable” of the Republican party. One-in-five Trump voters have an unfavorable view of the GOP. Many of them were in the streets of the capital last weekend:

Mitch McConnell, Kelly Loeffler, and David Perdue may think the electoral loyalty of those 74 million is to the red team, but it’s not. It is to Trump:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338348880182829061

What would happen if Trump told his supporters the GOP had betrayed them and urged them not to support in Georgia the party that turned its back on them when it mattered most? If instead of chanting in DC, these supporters were outside polling stations next month in red hats urging people to “destroy the GOP” on election day?

The Samson option is there if Trump decides to use it. If Loeffler and Perdue win in January, these are the people the right will be counting on to hold the line:

Is that really better than letting the neo-liberal Democrat establishment own everything that happens over the next two years?

 
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  1. The Samson option

    I feel like, any moment now, “Intelligent Dasein” is going to now tell us that Israeli nukes are a myth, just like rising African fertility.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/we-effing-hate-science/#comment-4342239

  2. Richard Spencer, as always, is right about Fuentes. Nick spent the past 6 months “plan trusting”, feeding Q-tier nonsense to his audience of adolescent groypers. Now that he’s been utterly owned, he’s become Zoomer Alex Jones with none of the investigative cred.

    Jewish media is licking its chops as he shouts “destroy the GOP”. He spent months denouncing the NJP, so where’s the infrastructure now, genius?

    What a loser.

    • Replies: @Per/Norway
    @Supply and Demand

    😂
    richard (im a proud zionist/gatekeeper) spencer?
    fuentes was a grifter from day one, but his groypers at least dare to ask the right questions😉
    how do you cope with your cognitive dissonans mr. proud spencer groupie?
    The sweet lies taste better than the bitter truth? OR?

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  3. these are the people the right will be counting on to hold the line:

    That’s funny, they look like the same people that the neo-liberal dems are counting on.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  4. “The Samson option”

    I love it – I’m stealing that.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @BCB232

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

  5. @BCB232
    "The Samson option"

    I love it - I'm stealing that.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  6. If Mitch is the senate majority leader, can he just prevent bills from getting a vote, or how does that work? In that case, Romney can’t betray the party.

    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
    @Some Guy

    Correct.

    Amnesty could be stopped simply by the Senate not taking it up. You wouldn't have to count on Romney.

    I hope the great AE can update the post with how the Senate works. If Republicans lose the Senate, then conservatives have to fight for every inch, hoping to get all Republicans to unite and also peel off Senator Manchin from WV and others.

    On every single issue.

    Whereas if Republicans hold the Senate they don't have to take up the bills that the Dems offer.

    Blowing things up is usually a very bad strategy. Things can get much, much worse. If Republicans lose all parts of government, do they think the Democrats will go soft? This last year should have shown that the left is not within 1000 miles of reasonable.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Audacious Epigone

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Some Guy

    Sure, but most of the damage comes through massive bills like the $900b stimulus and the $2 trillion budget. McConnell can't stop judicial and cabinet appointments either.

  7. Is that really better than letting the neo-liberal Democrat establishment own everything that happens over the next two years?

    You don’t really think the Republicans will gain in 2022…do you?

  8. • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    @LondonBob

    hoping the communist Jew and the YT-hating 'groid win.

    the sooner the Republiscam pty dies, the sooner (some)

    Whites will realize

    they can't vote their way out of a Judeo-globalist demographic deathtrap.

  9. Last time I defended Mitt Romney here, I was proved wrong on the facts, so no one needs to listen to me now. Here goes.

    During the primary debates of 2016, Trump egregiously, unnecessarily, publicly singled Romney out to insult Romney in singularly vulgar fashion. The rest of you may have forgotten, which is okay, but I happen to remember. Romney wasn’t even there. Trump went out of his way to make Romney an enemy.

    Romney is Trump’s enemy. Romney is not the Republicans’ enemy. You will see.

    [MORE]

    I hold no brief for Republican Party and am no strong defender of Trump’s, yet as hard as some readers find it to understand, I rather like Romney—despite that Romney (unwisely) dislikes persons like me. I understand that many of you judge Romney to be a slick, élitist opportunist and I understand why, but I have been following Romney’s career since 2002 (long before I started paying attention to Trump) and I simply disagree.

    Romney’s political problem is that his thought process is opaque to most Americans. The opacity severely hampers Romney’s effectiveness as a politician. My brain happens to work just a little like Romney’s does, so I happen implicitly to grasp the man’s perspective to a certain extent. Maybe you know someone like that? Someone you understand when most others around you don’t? Well, for me, that’s Romney. At least, according to whatever feverish delusion might have me in its grasp, that’s Romney.

    I tell you that Romney will largely disappoint CNN and CNN’s ilk once Trump is gone. If you stand right of center and are American, you probably will not warm to Romney to any great degree, but you will come to dislike Romney rather less than you now do. Watch.

    • Replies: @Rich
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I lost any remaining respect I may have had for Romney when he marched down the street with blm lunatics. He's a joke.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @MEH 0910

    , @Wyatt
    @V. K. Ovelund


    yet as hard as some readers find it to understand, I rather like Romney
     
    I don't find it hard to understand. I've said people have stupid opinions many times before on this website. Here's what clued me into yours following the same suit.

    The opacity severely hampers Romney’s effectiveness as a politician. My brain happens to work just a little like Romney’s does, so I happen implicitly to grasp the man’s perspective to a certain extent. Maybe you know someone like that? Someone you understand when most others around you don’t? Well, for me, that’s Romney. At least, according to whatever feverish delusion might have me in its grasp, that’s Romney.
     
    [CITATION NEEDED]

    You say your brain works like Romney and you're right, it does. You demonstrated similar opacity in failing to explain why in the goddamn either your brain works like his or why I should think that matters. Why in the ever loving fuck would I think a spoiled, rich Mormon who has the debate skills of an autistic 65 year old and who demonstrates no grasp of what's actually FUBAR in America would ever display any leadership skill or the ability to actually fix the country? We're past the point where amicable solutions can be hammered out in a bipartisan fashion when the Democrats:

    A. Fucking cheated in a national election
    B. Decry racism against blacks while keeping quiet or encouraging blacks to go out and burn, loot and murder their way through white businesses and residences?

    Romney was worthless in 2012 and he's even more useless now, milquetoast white boy that he is. His solutions are no solutions at all. I guarantee it because that would mean calling out the National Guard to do some animal control during BLM riots, but no white president, not even Fuhrer Trump, was willing to do it.

    If you stand right of center and are American, you probably will not warm to Romney to any great degree, but you will come to dislike Romney rather less than you now do. Watch.
     
    It's like comparing cat shit to dog shit. The cat shit is slightly smaller and is therefore less shitty, I guess. Still a pile of shit.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Stan d Mute

  10. The slogan should be ” you might as well vote Democrat because you’re going to anyway.”

  11. What a terrible analogy.

    The purpose of Mutual Assured Destruction [MAD] (a.k.a. The Samson Option) is to head off a conflict before it starts. There would have to have been a known and believed M.A.D. declaration before the election.

    As there has been no public M.A.D. declaration that analogy cannot possibly apply to the current sitation.
    ___

    Trump’s main goal has been changing the GOP from a Deep State party to a Workers/MAGA party. There is no reason to believe that has changed. His best course of action is to deploy:

    The Fulton Option

    — Find support among local GOP election officials.
    — Wheel suitcases of ballots into counting centers when they are closed.
    — Fabricate as many ballots as are required for the GOP to win.
    — Declare that “fraud is impossible despite statistical problems with the count”

    As Shakespeare put it… Hoist with their own petard. It leaves the Nazicrats in an impossible position.

    If the Courts:

    — Cannot intervene. A Patriot Senate can thwart Führer Biden.
    — Can intervene. Führer Biden does not claim the Oval Office.

    Creating a lose-lose situation for Team SJWastika Blue is very much a Trump technique in action.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @anon
    @A123

    The Fulton Option

    Mike Pence will be in charge of counting the final results from Electors, in the Senate.

    He could just stop counting due to a leaking water pipe he just spotted, have all the Senators removed then return at 3:00 AM to continue. What would anyone do about that? If 138,000 additional Electoral votes had been found in the mean time, what would anyone do about that?

    If the House leaders do not like the results of Pence's counting of Electoral votes, then the House must vote. Not by members, but by State delegation.

    The US is on the edge of a Constitutional crisis because the D's wanted to win no matter who or what was in the way and their Washington Generals play partners like Mittens Romney didn't have any problem with that.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @A123

    I wasn't aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson. Samson is already toast. The question is not about mutually assured destruction, it's about getting back at the horrible bastards who did the toasting.

    Replies: @anon, @Twinkie, @A123, @nebulafox

  12. The GOP have been suckers for decades now. Doing the bidding of the Chamber of Commerce on immigration and taxes and gotten them absolutely nothing – it’s resulted in tens of millions of new Democratic voters and corporations who culturally are aligned with the left.

    As others have noted, there is a massive opportunity here based around economic populism and the working/middle class. The Dems are basically now the party of the extreme ends of society – high income/education households and the most unruly/least productive members of society, with the meat of the electorate right on the table in front of the GOP. The institutional GOP is not geared towards taking advantage of this, but a Trumpist movement is.

  13. @V. K. Ovelund
    Last time I defended Mitt Romney here, I was proved wrong on the facts, so no one needs to listen to me now. Here goes.

    During the primary debates of 2016, Trump egregiously, unnecessarily, publicly singled Romney out to insult Romney in singularly vulgar fashion. The rest of you may have forgotten, which is okay, but I happen to remember. Romney wasn't even there. Trump went out of his way to make Romney an enemy.

    Romney is Trump's enemy. Romney is not the Republicans' enemy. You will see.

    I hold no brief for Republican Party and am no strong defender of Trump's, yet as hard as some readers find it to understand, I rather like Romney—despite that Romney (unwisely) dislikes persons like me. I understand that many of you judge Romney to be a slick, élitist opportunist and I understand why, but I have been following Romney's career since 2002 (long before I started paying attention to Trump) and I simply disagree.

    Romney's political problem is that his thought process is opaque to most Americans. The opacity severely hampers Romney's effectiveness as a politician. My brain happens to work just a little like Romney's does, so I happen implicitly to grasp the man's perspective to a certain extent. Maybe you know someone like that? Someone you understand when most others around you don't? Well, for me, that's Romney. At least, according to whatever feverish delusion might have me in its grasp, that's Romney.

    I tell you that Romney will largely disappoint CNN and CNN's ilk once Trump is gone. If you stand right of center and are American, you probably will not warm to Romney to any great degree, but you will come to dislike Romney rather less than you now do. Watch.

    Replies: @Rich, @Wyatt

    I lost any remaining respect I may have had for Romney when he marched down the street with blm lunatics. He’s a joke.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Rich


    I lost any remaining respect I may have had for Romney when he marched down the street with blm lunatics. He’s a joke.
     
    What did you expect him to do? Go full Fascist like me?

    Romney's critics cannot have it both ways. Romney is either an unprincipled opportunist or a naïve, outdated, Martin Luther King-worshipping civic nationalist. One can dislike Romney for either, but not for both. Pick one.

    At least Romney had the courage to declare his naïveté openly. Most Republican U.S. senators are more cynical.

    Replies: @Rich, @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie, @iffen

    , @MEH 0910
    @Rich

    https://twitter.com/mittromney/status/1269758561720156160?lang=en

    Replies: @A123

  14. @Rich
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I lost any remaining respect I may have had for Romney when he marched down the street with blm lunatics. He's a joke.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @MEH 0910

    I lost any remaining respect I may have had for Romney when he marched down the street with blm lunatics. He’s a joke.

    What did you expect him to do? Go full Fascist like me?

    Romney’s critics cannot have it both ways. Romney is either an unprincipled opportunist or a naïve, outdated, Martin Luther King-worshipping civic nationalist. One can dislike Romney for either, but not for both. Pick one.

    At least Romney had the courage to declare his naïveté openly. Most Republican U.S. senators are more cynical.

    • Replies: @Rich
    @V. K. Ovelund

    How about not being stupid enough to make a fool of himself? I can't believe a man who made as much money as he did could be that stupid, but if it wasn't stupidity, he's about as evil as they come.

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Look fellas, sorry, I don't want to play this game. I like Romney and you don't want to hear that right now. I get it.

    I didn't steal the election. I didn't stop the Wall from getting built. I am not your enemy, but you're in hot blood and right now I am not, so I yield.

    Replies: @res, @iffen

    , @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    What did you expect him to do? Go full Fascist like me?
     
    Surely you aren't saying that there is nothing between walking with a BLM and going "full fascist"?

    Romney is either an unprincipled opportunist or a naïve, outdated, Martin Luther King-worshipping civic nationalist.
     
    I happen to be a civic nationalist and I am so very far away from "worshipping" MLK. On the other hand, our definitions of civic nationalism may differ.

    At least Romney had the courage to declare his naïveté openly.
     
    I don't think Romney is naïve. Naïve men do not build a fortune worth in excess of a quarter of a billion dollars. I don't think he is courageous either.

    His political positions and history are pretty clear. He is an opportunist. Now, it just so happens that almost all politicians are opportunists, so Romney is hardly unusual. So the question is simply of this: is his opportunism aligned with my political interests? I must say, for me, it's a clear and unequivocal no.

    Presently, I like Josh Hawley. But he is young and untested despite being a U.S. senator so we shall see. Should Trump depart the political scene, I think he is the obvious nationalist-populist standard-bearer. But I trust no politician no matter how much I like him or her. As the saying goes, politics is show business for ugly people (and instead of dollars and cents, pressure is the currency), so that makes politicians unattractive actors, not exactly the type of people who ooze trustworthiness.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Corvinus

    , @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I happen to be on the high on the empathy scale, V. K., and I'm not saying that some of these other commenters are not, but I don't think that they understand your struggle. For example, in the future should you attend a Charlottesville type event you're going to be forced into a Sophie's choice situation where you must choose to march with the Proud Boys or march with Mitt and his BLM peeps.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V. K. Ovelund

  15. anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123
    What a terrible analogy.

    The purpose of Mutual Assured Destruction [MAD] (a.k.a. The Samson Option) is to head off a conflict before it starts. There would have to have been a known and believed M.A.D. declaration before the election.

    As there has been no public M.A.D. declaration that analogy cannot possibly apply to the current sitation.
    ___

    Trump's main goal has been changing the GOP from a Deep State party to a Workers/MAGA party. There is no reason to believe that has changed. His best course of action is to deploy:

    The Fulton Option

    -- Find support among local GOP election officials.
    -- Wheel suitcases of ballots into counting centers when they are closed.
    -- Fabricate as many ballots as are required for the GOP to win.
    -- Declare that "fraud is impossible despite statistical problems with the count"

    As Shakespeare put it... Hoist with their own petard. It leaves the Nazicrats in an impossible position.

    If the Courts:

    -- Cannot intervene. A Patriot Senate can thwart Führer Biden.
    -- Can intervene. Führer Biden does not claim the Oval Office.

    Creating a lose-lose situation for Team SJWastika Blue is very much a Trump technique in action.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

    The Fulton Option

    Mike Pence will be in charge of counting the final results from Electors, in the Senate.

    He could just stop counting due to a leaking water pipe he just spotted, have all the Senators removed then return at 3:00 AM to continue. What would anyone do about that? If 138,000 additional Electoral votes had been found in the mean time, what would anyone do about that?

    If the House leaders do not like the results of Pence’s counting of Electoral votes, then the House must vote. Not by members, but by State delegation.

    The US is on the edge of a Constitutional crisis because the D’s wanted to win no matter who or what was in the way and their Washington Generals play partners like Mittens Romney didn’t have any problem with that.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    Good.

  16. @V. K. Ovelund
    Last time I defended Mitt Romney here, I was proved wrong on the facts, so no one needs to listen to me now. Here goes.

    During the primary debates of 2016, Trump egregiously, unnecessarily, publicly singled Romney out to insult Romney in singularly vulgar fashion. The rest of you may have forgotten, which is okay, but I happen to remember. Romney wasn't even there. Trump went out of his way to make Romney an enemy.

    Romney is Trump's enemy. Romney is not the Republicans' enemy. You will see.

    I hold no brief for Republican Party and am no strong defender of Trump's, yet as hard as some readers find it to understand, I rather like Romney—despite that Romney (unwisely) dislikes persons like me. I understand that many of you judge Romney to be a slick, élitist opportunist and I understand why, but I have been following Romney's career since 2002 (long before I started paying attention to Trump) and I simply disagree.

    Romney's political problem is that his thought process is opaque to most Americans. The opacity severely hampers Romney's effectiveness as a politician. My brain happens to work just a little like Romney's does, so I happen implicitly to grasp the man's perspective to a certain extent. Maybe you know someone like that? Someone you understand when most others around you don't? Well, for me, that's Romney. At least, according to whatever feverish delusion might have me in its grasp, that's Romney.

    I tell you that Romney will largely disappoint CNN and CNN's ilk once Trump is gone. If you stand right of center and are American, you probably will not warm to Romney to any great degree, but you will come to dislike Romney rather less than you now do. Watch.

    Replies: @Rich, @Wyatt

    yet as hard as some readers find it to understand, I rather like Romney

    I don’t find it hard to understand. I’ve said people have stupid opinions many times before on this website. Here’s what clued me into yours following the same suit.

    The opacity severely hampers Romney’s effectiveness as a politician. My brain happens to work just a little like Romney’s does, so I happen implicitly to grasp the man’s perspective to a certain extent. Maybe you know someone like that? Someone you understand when most others around you don’t? Well, for me, that’s Romney. At least, according to whatever feverish delusion might have me in its grasp, that’s Romney.

    [CITATION NEEDED]

    You say your brain works like Romney and you’re right, it does. You demonstrated similar opacity in failing to explain why in the goddamn either your brain works like his or why I should think that matters. Why in the ever loving fuck would I think a spoiled, rich Mormon who has the debate skills of an autistic 65 year old and who demonstrates no grasp of what’s actually FUBAR in America would ever display any leadership skill or the ability to actually fix the country? We’re past the point where amicable solutions can be hammered out in a bipartisan fashion when the Democrats:

    A. Fucking cheated in a national election
    B. Decry racism against blacks while keeping quiet or encouraging blacks to go out and burn, loot and murder their way through white businesses and residences?

    Romney was worthless in 2012 and he’s even more useless now, milquetoast white boy that he is. His solutions are no solutions at all. I guarantee it because that would mean calling out the National Guard to do some animal control during BLM riots, but no white president, not even Fuhrer Trump, was willing to do it.

    If you stand right of center and are American, you probably will not warm to Romney to any great degree, but you will come to dislike Romney rather less than you now do. Watch.

    It’s like comparing cat shit to dog shit. The cat shit is slightly smaller and is therefore less shitty, I guess. Still a pile of shit.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Wyatt

    You are hardly the only one here to abuse me for Mitt Romney's sake. This comment column is not about me, but personally, I find it ironic that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.

    Romney would never accept the endorsement of a person like me, if that's of any consolation to you.

    I think that you ought to be angry at the several Republican U.S. senators who pretend to be Donald Trump's friends but aren't. At least Romney declares his opposition openly.


    [CITATION NEEDED]
     
    Sorry, I do not understand the request. Citation of what, please?

    Replies: @Wyatt, @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Wyatt


    It’s like comparing cat shit to dog shit. The cat shit is slightly smaller and is therefore less shitty, I guess. Still a pile of shit.
     
    Eloquently said!

    As one who endured governance by Planet Kolob Mittens’ daddy, who is very familiar with the social milieu in which Magic Underpants was raised, I firmly endorse your position.

    When I think about the word “cuckold” the Latter Day Moron is the only face I envision.
  17. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Rich


    I lost any remaining respect I may have had for Romney when he marched down the street with blm lunatics. He’s a joke.
     
    What did you expect him to do? Go full Fascist like me?

    Romney's critics cannot have it both ways. Romney is either an unprincipled opportunist or a naïve, outdated, Martin Luther King-worshipping civic nationalist. One can dislike Romney for either, but not for both. Pick one.

    At least Romney had the courage to declare his naïveté openly. Most Republican U.S. senators are more cynical.

    Replies: @Rich, @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie, @iffen

    How about not being stupid enough to make a fool of himself? I can’t believe a man who made as much money as he did could be that stupid, but if it wasn’t stupidity, he’s about as evil as they come.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  18. @Wyatt
    @V. K. Ovelund


    yet as hard as some readers find it to understand, I rather like Romney
     
    I don't find it hard to understand. I've said people have stupid opinions many times before on this website. Here's what clued me into yours following the same suit.

    The opacity severely hampers Romney’s effectiveness as a politician. My brain happens to work just a little like Romney’s does, so I happen implicitly to grasp the man’s perspective to a certain extent. Maybe you know someone like that? Someone you understand when most others around you don’t? Well, for me, that’s Romney. At least, according to whatever feverish delusion might have me in its grasp, that’s Romney.
     
    [CITATION NEEDED]

    You say your brain works like Romney and you're right, it does. You demonstrated similar opacity in failing to explain why in the goddamn either your brain works like his or why I should think that matters. Why in the ever loving fuck would I think a spoiled, rich Mormon who has the debate skills of an autistic 65 year old and who demonstrates no grasp of what's actually FUBAR in America would ever display any leadership skill or the ability to actually fix the country? We're past the point where amicable solutions can be hammered out in a bipartisan fashion when the Democrats:

    A. Fucking cheated in a national election
    B. Decry racism against blacks while keeping quiet or encouraging blacks to go out and burn, loot and murder their way through white businesses and residences?

    Romney was worthless in 2012 and he's even more useless now, milquetoast white boy that he is. His solutions are no solutions at all. I guarantee it because that would mean calling out the National Guard to do some animal control during BLM riots, but no white president, not even Fuhrer Trump, was willing to do it.

    If you stand right of center and are American, you probably will not warm to Romney to any great degree, but you will come to dislike Romney rather less than you now do. Watch.
     
    It's like comparing cat shit to dog shit. The cat shit is slightly smaller and is therefore less shitty, I guess. Still a pile of shit.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Stan d Mute

    You are hardly the only one here to abuse me for Mitt Romney’s sake. This comment column is not about me, but personally, I find it ironic that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.

    Romney would never accept the endorsement of a person like me, if that’s of any consolation to you.

    I think that you ought to be angry at the several Republican U.S. senators who pretend to be Donald Trump’s friends but aren’t. At least Romney declares his opposition openly.

    [CITATION NEEDED]

    Sorry, I do not understand the request. Citation of what, please?

    • Replies: @Wyatt
    @V. K. Ovelund

    You must explain your reasoning for why you are of similar mind to Mitt Romney before anyone can reasonably accept either that you are or what that even means.

    , @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I find it ironic that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.
     
    Very droll, very droll indeed. Know your environment, sir, know your environment. You are on The Unz Review.
    , @Johann Ricke
    @V. K. Ovelund


    personally, I find it *ironic* that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.
     
    I think the dictionary definition of "ironic" precludes its use in this context at Unz. The word you're looking for is IMHO a synonym for "predictable".

    Replies: @A123, @Audacious Epigone

  19. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Rich


    I lost any remaining respect I may have had for Romney when he marched down the street with blm lunatics. He’s a joke.
     
    What did you expect him to do? Go full Fascist like me?

    Romney's critics cannot have it both ways. Romney is either an unprincipled opportunist or a naïve, outdated, Martin Luther King-worshipping civic nationalist. One can dislike Romney for either, but not for both. Pick one.

    At least Romney had the courage to declare his naïveté openly. Most Republican U.S. senators are more cynical.

    Replies: @Rich, @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie, @iffen

    Look fellas, sorry, I don’t want to play this game. I like Romney and you don’t want to hear that right now. I get it.

    I didn’t steal the election. I didn’t stop the Wall from getting built. I am not your enemy, but you’re in hot blood and right now I am not, so I yield.

    • Replies: @res
    @V. K. Ovelund

    That might have gone better if you had taken more time to explain how your thinking is like Mitt Romney's and how that allows you to see him in a positive light. As it was you just came off as some type of concern troll IMHO.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    , @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    FWIW the previous exchange on Romney drew me up short. I realized that I couldn't put forth a clear rational exposition of why I believe he is lower than sewer pond scum. I had to admit to myself that it was (as Talha might say) the smell. And in the world of facts and ideas that doesn't quite get it. So thanks to you. (Quit throwing H into everything.)

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  20. @Supply and Demand
    Richard Spencer, as always, is right about Fuentes. Nick spent the past 6 months “plan trusting”, feeding Q-tier nonsense to his audience of adolescent groypers. Now that he’s been utterly owned, he’s become Zoomer Alex Jones with none of the investigative cred.

    Jewish media is licking its chops as he shouts “destroy the GOP”. He spent months denouncing the NJP, so where’s the infrastructure now, genius?

    What a loser.

    Replies: @Per/Norway

    😂
    richard (im a proud zionist/gatekeeper) spencer?
    fuentes was a grifter from day one, but his groypers at least dare to ask the right questions😉
    how do you cope with your cognitive dissonans mr. proud spencer groupie?
    The sweet lies taste better than the bitter truth? OR?

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Per/Norway

    There's nothing hypocritical about Zionism or Spencer not criticizing it ipso facto. I dislike the Jews and want to see them destroyed, but this does not invalidate their desire for their own ethnostate. That even the parasite wishes for a separate country from the global host is in fact evidence towards ethnostatism.

    It is an approach needs to be copied by white people, and then turned around on the Jews themselves. This is precisely why White Separatism is the only option in America.

    Replies: @anon

  21. @V. K. Ovelund
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Look fellas, sorry, I don't want to play this game. I like Romney and you don't want to hear that right now. I get it.

    I didn't steal the election. I didn't stop the Wall from getting built. I am not your enemy, but you're in hot blood and right now I am not, so I yield.

    Replies: @res, @iffen

    That might have gone better if you had taken more time to explain how your thinking is like Mitt Romney’s and how that allows you to see him in a positive light. As it was you just came off as some type of concern troll IMHO.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @res


    That might have gone better if you had taken more time to explain how your thinking is like Mitt Romney’s and how that allows you to see him in a positive light. As it was you just came off as some type of concern troll IMHO.
     
    Concern trolls are tiresome. I hope that I never am one.

    Romney and I are both micro-problem-oriented, nonmacro-problem-oriented, duty-oriented, nonideological conservative brainstormers who want little evidence merely to entertain a thought. We don't really care about other people's feelings very much, alas. Neither of us is introspective. It does not disturb either of us very much to have changed our minds: we forget that mind-changing unsettles others around us.

    No one has asked me for a treatise, nor do I know how to explain how a brain works. If you've never had the experience of meeting someone whose thought process just made sense to you, I do not know what else to say. I cannot explain it better in a single paragraph.

    Replies: @res

  22. @Some Guy
    If Mitch is the senate majority leader, can he just prevent bills from getting a vote, or how does that work? In that case, Romney can't betray the party.

    Replies: @DanHessinMD, @Audacious Epigone

    Correct.

    Amnesty could be stopped simply by the Senate not taking it up. You wouldn’t have to count on Romney.

    I hope the great AE can update the post with how the Senate works. If Republicans lose the Senate, then conservatives have to fight for every inch, hoping to get all Republicans to unite and also peel off Senator Manchin from WV and others.

    On every single issue.

    Whereas if Republicans hold the Senate they don’t have to take up the bills that the Dems offer.

    Blowing things up is usually a very bad strategy. Things can get much, much worse. If Republicans lose all parts of government, do they think the Democrats will go soft? This last year should have shown that the left is not within 1000 miles of reasonable.

    • Thanks: Some Guy
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @DanHessinMD


    This last year should have shown that the left is not within 1000 miles of reasonable.

     

    And yet you think that compromise is the answer?

    Blowing things up is usually a very bad strategy.
     
    I have seen the fruits of this thinking for my entire life. I could write a million words and yet not fully describe how much and how badly my civilization has turned to shit as a direct result of compromise with the insane.

    Maybe it’s time we give the other option a chance?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @DanHessinMD

    A fundamental difference between you and me is that you think the blowing up is avoidable. I maintain the econoclysm is already here, and we're going to really start feeling it soon, before 2022.

    Replies: @Some Guy

  23. @V. K. Ovelund
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Look fellas, sorry, I don't want to play this game. I like Romney and you don't want to hear that right now. I get it.

    I didn't steal the election. I didn't stop the Wall from getting built. I am not your enemy, but you're in hot blood and right now I am not, so I yield.

    Replies: @res, @iffen

    FWIW the previous exchange on Romney drew me up short. I realized that I couldn’t put forth a clear rational exposition of why I believe he is lower than sewer pond scum. I had to admit to myself that it was (as Talha might say) the smell. And in the world of facts and ideas that doesn’t quite get it. So thanks to you. (Quit throwing H into everything.)

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    (Quit throwing H into everything.)
     
    Okay.
  24. @res
    @V. K. Ovelund

    That might have gone better if you had taken more time to explain how your thinking is like Mitt Romney's and how that allows you to see him in a positive light. As it was you just came off as some type of concern troll IMHO.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    That might have gone better if you had taken more time to explain how your thinking is like Mitt Romney’s and how that allows you to see him in a positive light. As it was you just came off as some type of concern troll IMHO.

    Concern trolls are tiresome. I hope that I never am one.

    Romney and I are both micro-problem-oriented, nonmacro-problem-oriented, duty-oriented, nonideological conservative brainstormers who want little evidence merely to entertain a thought. We don’t really care about other people’s feelings very much, alas. Neither of us is introspective. It does not disturb either of us very much to have changed our minds: we forget that mind-changing unsettles others around us.

    No one has asked me for a treatise, nor do I know how to explain how a brain works. If you’ve never had the experience of meeting someone whose thought process just made sense to you, I do not know what else to say. I cannot explain it better in a single paragraph.

    • Replies: @res
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Thanks. I definitely understand the experience of meeting someone with whom one has a rapport in terms of ways of thinking and/or seeing the world. The problem is, without knowing you it is difficult to make much sense of what you having that feeling about someone implies.

    Regarding mind changing, I like the quote often attributed to Keynes:
    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/07/22/keynes-change-mind/


    When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
     
    The problem is, unless you can adequately back up what changed your mind it is hard to avoid attributing the behavior to opportunistic flip flopping. Especially for a politician.

    I lost respect for Romney with his shameless flip flopping on immigration in 2012. His actions since then have only made me feel more strongly that he is an untrustworthy and negative force in Republican politics. Which is odd since there seems a great deal to respect about the man in his personal life.
  25. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Wyatt

    You are hardly the only one here to abuse me for Mitt Romney's sake. This comment column is not about me, but personally, I find it ironic that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.

    Romney would never accept the endorsement of a person like me, if that's of any consolation to you.

    I think that you ought to be angry at the several Republican U.S. senators who pretend to be Donald Trump's friends but aren't. At least Romney declares his opposition openly.


    [CITATION NEEDED]
     
    Sorry, I do not understand the request. Citation of what, please?

    Replies: @Wyatt, @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

    You must explain your reasoning for why you are of similar mind to Mitt Romney before anyone can reasonably accept either that you are or what that even means.

  26. The Zionist coup of 2020 is the end of America (1776-2020).

    What comes next is a slow strangulation of ethnic whites, under a regime of surveillance and suppression. We are all Palestinians now. This is Gaza, not the USA.

    Trump has passed the torch. If Biden takes office, the intifada begins. A quiet Revolution: boycotts of certain things, throwing the occasional wrench in the gears, working at half pace, rejecting offers of “unity”, stockpiling useful things, reminding them the election was a fraud, civil disobedience, silent protests, the taking back of the flag (they don’t represent it), mucking up their public appearances, refusing to obey unlawful edicts, making lists of collaborators, not voting for their chosen empty suits, and paying more attention to local communities rather than the illegitimate regime.

    The motto: No Investigation, No Peace. This is going to be a long campaign, but there is no other choice. Whites have never made good slaves. We can put a hundred million men and women into the dispute, they number only a few million. If the cold civil war ever reaches a boil, it will be over quickly.

    Numbers matter.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  27. @Rich
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I lost any remaining respect I may have had for Romney when he marched down the street with blm lunatics. He's a joke.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @MEH 0910

    • Replies: @A123
    @MEH 0910

    Yep.

    Romney's time with Bain Capital showed us his personal values. The strong are entitled to prey on the weak. The weak are there to provide backs for The Elites to stand on.

    PEACE 😇
     
     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3QL-d4OyX9U/X9eRDIP58OI/AAAAAAACjpY/QfrxWQwe7K8qY1Jlrlq3Yg6FlqKYcbfJQCLcBGAsYHQ/s542/1%2Bssdfsdfgdfgddgfg.jpg
     
    .
     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rqn4Y8OLTWA/Xw8IYMY0IvI/AAAAAAACWqU/ro8dA4577q4B56YX7sfQoqdqM_HGg8o0QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1%2B1%2B24600f9039f3361209f3553d81_8b0a07dc_400.jpg

    Replies: @Tlotsi

  28. Mr Epigone says:

    What would happen if Trump told his supporters the GOP had betrayed them and urged them not to support in Georgia the party that turned its back on them when it mattered most? If instead of chanting in DC, these supporters were outside polling stations next month in red hats urging people to “destroy the GOP” on election day?

    The Samson option is there if Trump decides to use it. If Loeffler and Perdue win in January, these are the people the right will be counting on to hold the line:

    Is that really better than letting the neo-liberal Democrat establishment own everything that happens over the next two years?

    I say:

    Samson says Germany must get nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them to make sure Israel doesn’t get too frisky or vengeful or William Kristol level meshugana nutcake.

    Tweet from 2014:

    I hope those two rancid Republican Party politician whores lose in Georgia on January 5.

    Nothing matters but the monetary extremism of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is using all monetary machinations possible to keep the bloated asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate inflated.

    When the Fed-induced asset bubbles pop is the time to dislodge the evil and treasonous JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire from power.

    Steve Schwarzman — Blackstone CEO — is a leading figure in the evil and treason JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire and he loves it when he can clam rake shekels out of the pauperized peasantry in the USA and England and globally. Immiseration does not produce any love or respect or political legitimacy for the evil globalizer unassimilated money-grubbers in the disgusting and vile JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    Steve Schwarzman is a member of Jews Organized Globally(JOG) and let me be clear that Blackstone and company have tentacles and hooks and bribe money donations in the law firm of Biden Harris and the amount that buys off the politician whores in the USA is less than pro athletes routinely get. PLUTOCRACY! ON THE CHEAP! DAMMIT!

    DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW!

    DISLODGE THE JEW/WASP RULING CLASS OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE NOW!

  29. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    FWIW the previous exchange on Romney drew me up short. I realized that I couldn't put forth a clear rational exposition of why I believe he is lower than sewer pond scum. I had to admit to myself that it was (as Talha might say) the smell. And in the world of facts and ideas that doesn't quite get it. So thanks to you. (Quit throwing H into everything.)

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    (Quit throwing H into everything.)

    Okay.

  30. @MEH 0910
    @Rich

    https://twitter.com/mittromney/status/1269758561720156160?lang=en

    Replies: @A123

    Yep.

    Romney’s time with Bain Capital showed us his personal values. The strong are entitled to prey on the weak. The weak are there to provide backs for The Elites to stand on.

    PEACE 😇
     
      

    [MORE]
    .
     

    • Replies: @Tlotsi
    @A123

    Calling Romney a douche bag is an insult to douche bags.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  31. The Samson option is there if Trump decides to use it.

    I like the half-Samson option. Target one of the two and take him or her out. It’s probably wiser to sink Loeffler, since the next election for her seat is in 2 years. Throw massive support behind the other. That lets everyone in the R party know: if you displease me, you are gone in the next primary.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  32. @Wyatt
    @V. K. Ovelund


    yet as hard as some readers find it to understand, I rather like Romney
     
    I don't find it hard to understand. I've said people have stupid opinions many times before on this website. Here's what clued me into yours following the same suit.

    The opacity severely hampers Romney’s effectiveness as a politician. My brain happens to work just a little like Romney’s does, so I happen implicitly to grasp the man’s perspective to a certain extent. Maybe you know someone like that? Someone you understand when most others around you don’t? Well, for me, that’s Romney. At least, according to whatever feverish delusion might have me in its grasp, that’s Romney.
     
    [CITATION NEEDED]

    You say your brain works like Romney and you're right, it does. You demonstrated similar opacity in failing to explain why in the goddamn either your brain works like his or why I should think that matters. Why in the ever loving fuck would I think a spoiled, rich Mormon who has the debate skills of an autistic 65 year old and who demonstrates no grasp of what's actually FUBAR in America would ever display any leadership skill or the ability to actually fix the country? We're past the point where amicable solutions can be hammered out in a bipartisan fashion when the Democrats:

    A. Fucking cheated in a national election
    B. Decry racism against blacks while keeping quiet or encouraging blacks to go out and burn, loot and murder their way through white businesses and residences?

    Romney was worthless in 2012 and he's even more useless now, milquetoast white boy that he is. His solutions are no solutions at all. I guarantee it because that would mean calling out the National Guard to do some animal control during BLM riots, but no white president, not even Fuhrer Trump, was willing to do it.

    If you stand right of center and are American, you probably will not warm to Romney to any great degree, but you will come to dislike Romney rather less than you now do. Watch.
     
    It's like comparing cat shit to dog shit. The cat shit is slightly smaller and is therefore less shitty, I guess. Still a pile of shit.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Stan d Mute

    It’s like comparing cat shit to dog shit. The cat shit is slightly smaller and is therefore less shitty, I guess. Still a pile of shit.

    Eloquently said!

    As one who endured governance by Planet Kolob Mittens’ daddy, who is very familiar with the social milieu in which Magic Underpants was raised, I firmly endorse your position.

    When I think about the word “cuckold” the Latter Day Moron is the only face I envision.

  33. @DanHessinMD
    @Some Guy

    Correct.

    Amnesty could be stopped simply by the Senate not taking it up. You wouldn't have to count on Romney.

    I hope the great AE can update the post with how the Senate works. If Republicans lose the Senate, then conservatives have to fight for every inch, hoping to get all Republicans to unite and also peel off Senator Manchin from WV and others.

    On every single issue.

    Whereas if Republicans hold the Senate they don't have to take up the bills that the Dems offer.

    Blowing things up is usually a very bad strategy. Things can get much, much worse. If Republicans lose all parts of government, do they think the Democrats will go soft? This last year should have shown that the left is not within 1000 miles of reasonable.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Audacious Epigone

    This last year should have shown that the left is not within 1000 miles of reasonable.

    And yet you think that compromise is the answer?

    Blowing things up is usually a very bad strategy.

    I have seen the fruits of this thinking for my entire life. I could write a million words and yet not fully describe how much and how badly my civilization has turned to shit as a direct result of compromise with the insane.

    Maybe it’s time we give the other option a chance?

  34. Mitt Romney and the Collins woman from Maine and the rest of the rancid and putrid Republican Party are evil and treasonous and putrid globalizer scum of the worst sort possible.

    I wrote this about Romney in September of 2018:

    Mammonite Mormon Mittens Romney is an annoying money-grubbing slob.

    Mammonite Mormon Mittens Romney is so full of shit his eyes are brown.

    Trumpy just said that he was hungry for money in his business career and he made no apologies for it.

    Trumpy made a joke of his own greed for money, and he admitted it freely.

    Romney and the Mammonite Mormon money-grubbers act like they are so moral and decent, when in fact they are Mammonite scum.

    Romney isn’t even the worst of the disgusting Mormon money-grubbers. Witness Mitt Romney playing cleaner to get the corruption in Salt Lake City under control when the Mormons had the Olympics.

    The treasonous rat CIA human intelligence boobs have a lot of Mormon Mammonites floating around.

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/anti-white-male-kavanaugh-hatefest-may-close-midterm-enthusiasm-gap-and-get-gop-senators-on-the-trump-train/?showcomments#comment-2546900

    Tweets from 2015:

  35. Seriously off-topic, but an intriguing thought:

    AE, you had mentioned that Trump increased his vote margin in NY State, but did so by increasing his share in NYC, and losing ground in the rest of the state. I found that interesting and somewhat curious, having driven north through what seemed to be universal Trump country in the far north a month before the election. Appearances can be deceiving, but I noticed a map recently that might go to do some explaining.

    Well, it’s not a map, but it is a list of counties and the systems they use for voting. I recall that NYC and Nassau county saw a move towards Trump, and other counties not so:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electronic_voting_machines_in_New_York_state

    NYC and Nassau voted with Es&s, while most of the rest of the state used Dominion.

    There’s no way Trump was going to win NY State in any case, so it makes a useful control. The useful elections in NY were for State Senate, where the Democrats now have a supermajority. Absentee ballots came in heavy there, too:
    https://www.gothamgazette.com/state/9882-state-of-play-new-york-state-senate-2020-election-count-absentee-ballots

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  36. Roberta McCain vs Corrupt Mormon Mammonites or June Bug vs Hurricane by Lucinda Williams

    Roberta McCain — mother of John McCain — can’t be blamed entirely for the fact that the departed US Senator John McCain was a dumb and nasty globalizer sonofabitch who pushed mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and sovereignty-sapping free trade deals and stupid, unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and much more crud like that.

    God bless the memory of McCain’s mom, even though her son was a horrible bastard.

    I wrote this in August of 2017 about Mormon Mammonite Corruption and the 2002 Olympics and John McCain’s mother going for total honesty:

    Roberta McCain, mother of John McCain, was not too impressed by Mitt Romney’s efforts to save the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics from Mormon money-grubbers who were robbing and looting to their Mammonite heart’s content. What I am suggesting is corrupt Mormons were taking advantage of business opportunities provided by the 2002 Olympics to enrich themselves. Mitt Romney was brought in as a “cleaner” to bring some decency and honor back to the business of the Salt Lake City Olympics.

    Roberta McCain says this of Mitt Romney and the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics:

    “And as far as this Salt Lake City thing, he’s a Mormon, and the Mormons of Salt Lake City that caused that scandal, and to clean that up…”

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Charles Pewitt

    I forgot to leave the link for my 2002 Olympics Mormon Money-Grubber bit about Roberta McCain and Mitt Romney and avaricious Olympics corruption and thievery from the Utah Mormon Community. A lot of Mormons in the Intelligence Community that Jew Supremacist Charles Schumer was threatening Trump with.

    Here it is from August of 2017:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/olympics-to-paris-and-los-angeles/#comment-1952171

  37. @LondonBob
    https://twitter.com/PollWatch2020/status/1337486655683346432?s=20

    Replies: @Haxo Angmark

    hoping the communist Jew and the YT-hating ‘groid win.

    the sooner the Republiscam pty dies, the sooner (some)

    Whites will realize

    they can’t vote their way out of a Judeo-globalist demographic deathtrap.

  38. There are no moderates anymore. Just traitors and political whores.

    Money runs the system and they’re just about out of that.

    Hyperinflation or deflation. Two choices and DEAD SYSTEM.

    The Amerikwan Empire is DEAD. Long live The New Order.

    No reconciliation. No support. Boycotts and Revolution.

    CIVIL WAR II is now here. Cry Havoc and Let Loose the Dogs of War.

  39. @V. K. Ovelund
    @res


    That might have gone better if you had taken more time to explain how your thinking is like Mitt Romney’s and how that allows you to see him in a positive light. As it was you just came off as some type of concern troll IMHO.
     
    Concern trolls are tiresome. I hope that I never am one.

    Romney and I are both micro-problem-oriented, nonmacro-problem-oriented, duty-oriented, nonideological conservative brainstormers who want little evidence merely to entertain a thought. We don't really care about other people's feelings very much, alas. Neither of us is introspective. It does not disturb either of us very much to have changed our minds: we forget that mind-changing unsettles others around us.

    No one has asked me for a treatise, nor do I know how to explain how a brain works. If you've never had the experience of meeting someone whose thought process just made sense to you, I do not know what else to say. I cannot explain it better in a single paragraph.

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. I definitely understand the experience of meeting someone with whom one has a rapport in terms of ways of thinking and/or seeing the world. The problem is, without knowing you it is difficult to make much sense of what you having that feeling about someone implies.

    Regarding mind changing, I like the quote often attributed to Keynes:
    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/07/22/keynes-change-mind/

    When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?

    The problem is, unless you can adequately back up what changed your mind it is hard to avoid attributing the behavior to opportunistic flip flopping. Especially for a politician.

    I lost respect for Romney with his shameless flip flopping on immigration in 2012. His actions since then have only made me feel more strongly that he is an untrustworthy and negative force in Republican politics. Which is odd since there seems a great deal to respect about the man in his personal life.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  40. While 73% of the 74 million people who voted for Trump have a “very favorable” opinion of him…”

    You mean 73% of the 1500 people in the survey have this sentiment. Otherwise, that means 54,020,000 hold that view. That is just a tad high.

    Regardless, there is some interesting numbers here.

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_111820/

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Corvinus



    While 73% of the 74 million people who voted for Trump have a “very favorable” opinion of him…”
     
    You mean 73% of the 1500 people in the survey have this sentiment.
     
    It's amusing that the people who a short while ago were telling us that "the polls are all lies and totally fraudulent" are now telling us that "these new polls are totally accurate and totally trustworthy."

    So polls that conflict with our prejudices are lies and frauds but polls that confirm our prejudices are accurate and trustworthy.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Corvinus

  41. So Trump voters are not necessarily Republicans, while Republican voters are not necessarily Trump supporters – and Republican candidates seem to have done better than Trump in 2020.

  42. @Per/Norway
    @Supply and Demand

    😂
    richard (im a proud zionist/gatekeeper) spencer?
    fuentes was a grifter from day one, but his groypers at least dare to ask the right questions😉
    how do you cope with your cognitive dissonans mr. proud spencer groupie?
    The sweet lies taste better than the bitter truth? OR?

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    There’s nothing hypocritical about Zionism or Spencer not criticizing it ipso facto. I dislike the Jews and want to see them destroyed, but this does not invalidate their desire for their own ethnostate. That even the parasite wishes for a separate country from the global host is in fact evidence towards ethnostatism.

    It is an approach needs to be copied by white people, and then turned around on the Jews themselves. This is precisely why White Separatism is the only option in America.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Supply and Demand

    Rubbish.

  43. @A123
    What a terrible analogy.

    The purpose of Mutual Assured Destruction [MAD] (a.k.a. The Samson Option) is to head off a conflict before it starts. There would have to have been a known and believed M.A.D. declaration before the election.

    As there has been no public M.A.D. declaration that analogy cannot possibly apply to the current sitation.
    ___

    Trump's main goal has been changing the GOP from a Deep State party to a Workers/MAGA party. There is no reason to believe that has changed. His best course of action is to deploy:

    The Fulton Option

    -- Find support among local GOP election officials.
    -- Wheel suitcases of ballots into counting centers when they are closed.
    -- Fabricate as many ballots as are required for the GOP to win.
    -- Declare that "fraud is impossible despite statistical problems with the count"

    As Shakespeare put it... Hoist with their own petard. It leaves the Nazicrats in an impossible position.

    If the Courts:

    -- Cannot intervene. A Patriot Senate can thwart Führer Biden.
    -- Can intervene. Führer Biden does not claim the Oval Office.

    Creating a lose-lose situation for Team SJWastika Blue is very much a Trump technique in action.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

    I wasn’t aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson. Samson is already toast. The question is not about mutually assured destruction, it’s about getting back at the horrible bastards who did the toasting.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Audacious Epigone

    I wasn’t aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase

    Don't you even search, bro? First non-advertising entry.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=samson+option&t=brave&ia=web

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @Twinkie
    @Audacious Epigone


    I wasn’t aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson.
     
    I totally misread you!

    I am a bit surprised. I thought you read this book.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/The_Samson_Option.jpg
    , @A123
    @Audacious Epigone


    I wasn’t aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson.
     
    My apologies.

    There is a great deal of deranged anger on UR against Palestinian Jews who have the temerity to live the Jewish homeland of Judea & Samaria. As such, the modern usages expressed by Palestinian Jews and non-Palestinian Muslims appear frequently on the site.
    ___

    Given that the Fake Stream Media [FSM] is Trump's true foe, he could use a Biblical Samson Option against them by seizing those corporations with eminent domain, and selling them to more rational owners. Though, if he wants to go down that path, it is a bit late.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Audacious Epigone

    , @nebulafox
    @Audacious Epigone

    Hey, live and learn. Take it in stride.

    For what it is worth, the Israelis got Edward Teller himself to advise them on nuclear tech, so I do not think they ever needed to test their nukes to know they worked. Non-denial denials aside.

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

  44. @Corvinus
    While 73% of the 74 million people who voted for Trump have a “very favorable” opinion of him..."

    You mean 73% of the 1500 people in the survey have this sentiment. Otherwise, that means 54,020,000 hold that view. That is just a tad high.

    Regardless, there is some interesting numbers here.

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_111820/

    Replies: @dfordoom

    While 73% of the 74 million people who voted for Trump have a “very favorable” opinion of him…”

    You mean 73% of the 1500 people in the survey have this sentiment.

    It’s amusing that the people who a short while ago were telling us that “the polls are all lies and totally fraudulent” are now telling us that “these new polls are totally accurate and totally trustworthy.”

    So polls that conflict with our prejudices are lies and frauds but polls that confirm our prejudices are accurate and trustworthy.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @dfordoom

    Presumably that isn't directed my direction. While we noted the state level polls missed by puffing Biden up ~4% on average, that's much different than thinking the polls are "totally untrustworthy".

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Corvinus
    @dfordoom

    Yhe little pigs appreciate your strawmen.

  45. @DanHessinMD
    @Some Guy

    Correct.

    Amnesty could be stopped simply by the Senate not taking it up. You wouldn't have to count on Romney.

    I hope the great AE can update the post with how the Senate works. If Republicans lose the Senate, then conservatives have to fight for every inch, hoping to get all Republicans to unite and also peel off Senator Manchin from WV and others.

    On every single issue.

    Whereas if Republicans hold the Senate they don't have to take up the bills that the Dems offer.

    Blowing things up is usually a very bad strategy. Things can get much, much worse. If Republicans lose all parts of government, do they think the Democrats will go soft? This last year should have shown that the left is not within 1000 miles of reasonable.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Audacious Epigone

    A fundamental difference between you and me is that you think the blowing up is avoidable. I maintain the econoclysm is already here, and we’re going to really start feeling it soon, before 2022.

    • Replies: @Some Guy
    @Audacious Epigone

    If things blow up, are we better off with the Dems having total control of the federal government?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  46. @dfordoom
    @Corvinus



    While 73% of the 74 million people who voted for Trump have a “very favorable” opinion of him…”
     
    You mean 73% of the 1500 people in the survey have this sentiment.
     
    It's amusing that the people who a short while ago were telling us that "the polls are all lies and totally fraudulent" are now telling us that "these new polls are totally accurate and totally trustworthy."

    So polls that conflict with our prejudices are lies and frauds but polls that confirm our prejudices are accurate and trustworthy.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Corvinus

    Presumably that isn’t directed my direction. While we noted the state level polls missed by puffing Biden up ~4% on average, that’s much different than thinking the polls are “totally untrustworthy”.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Audacious Epigone


    Presumably that isn’t directed my direction. While we noted the state level polls missed by puffing Biden up ~4% on average, that’s much different than thinking the polls are “totally untrustworthy”.
     
    No, it wasn't directed at you.

    There are people arguing that the polls were so wrong that Trump actually won in a landslide, which would have meant the polls being off by 10-15%. That's ludicrously implausible.

    There are also Trump supporters who were and are arguing that the pre-election polling was deliberately fraudulent and that the polls were deliberate lies. I think that's ridiculously implausible as well.

    I am sceptical of polls that ask imprecise questions. Questions on social attitudes for example are always by their nature imprecise.

    Replies: @A123, @res

  47. @Audacious Epigone
    @A123

    I wasn't aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson. Samson is already toast. The question is not about mutually assured destruction, it's about getting back at the horrible bastards who did the toasting.

    Replies: @anon, @Twinkie, @A123, @nebulafox

    I wasn’t aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase

    Don’t you even search, bro? First non-advertising entry.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=samson+option&t=brave&ia=web

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @anon

    If memory serves, I first came across the phrase in something Pat Buchanan wrote and assumed it was biblical in origin. Which, of course, it is.

  48. In fairness, if the GOP retains the Senate then they will retain the filibuster. So 11 or 12 Republicans would have to vote with all of the Democrats on some piece of legislation. And that’s assuming it even gets to the floor- normally leadership would not put a bill on the floor if a majority of the majority caucus’s members oppose it. (The 2013 amnesty was never put on the House floor for that reason).

  49. @Audacious Epigone
    @dfordoom

    Presumably that isn't directed my direction. While we noted the state level polls missed by puffing Biden up ~4% on average, that's much different than thinking the polls are "totally untrustworthy".

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Presumably that isn’t directed my direction. While we noted the state level polls missed by puffing Biden up ~4% on average, that’s much different than thinking the polls are “totally untrustworthy”.

    No, it wasn’t directed at you.

    There are people arguing that the polls were so wrong that Trump actually won in a landslide, which would have meant the polls being off by 10-15%. That’s ludicrously implausible.

    There are also Trump supporters who were and are arguing that the pre-election polling was deliberately fraudulent and that the polls were deliberate lies. I think that’s ridiculously implausible as well.

    I am sceptical of polls that ask imprecise questions. Questions on social attitudes for example are always by their nature imprecise.

    • Replies: @A123
    @dfordoom


    There are people arguing that the polls were so wrong that Trump actually won in a landslide, which would have meant the polls being off by 10-15%. That’s ludicrously implausible.
     
    Trump had a massive Electoral College win, not a massive popular vote win. The SJWastika fraud for Führer Biden is about ~2MM votes which is around 1% of the total.

    I am on the pro-Trump side and have never heard anyone claim Trump won by 10-15% in the popular vote. I suspect that you are the victim of a SJWastika strawman argument created by the Nazicrats to discredit accurate complaints about their misconduct.

    There are also Trump supporters who were and are arguing that the pre-election polling was deliberately fraudulent and that the polls were deliberate lies. I think that’s ridiculously implausible as well.
     
    It is proven fact that many pre-election polls over sampled Democrats and understands Republicans. This was openly admitted and disclosed in the detailed results.

    Thus the pre-election polling was deliberately misleading except for a few firms such as Rasmussen.

    PEACE 😇
    , @res
    @dfordoom

    You make some good points, but I have to take issue with this.


    There are also Trump supporters who were and are arguing that the pre-election polling was deliberately fraudulent and that the polls were deliberate lies. I think that’s ridiculously implausible as well.
     
    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect foul play.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  50. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Rich


    I lost any remaining respect I may have had for Romney when he marched down the street with blm lunatics. He’s a joke.
     
    What did you expect him to do? Go full Fascist like me?

    Romney's critics cannot have it both ways. Romney is either an unprincipled opportunist or a naïve, outdated, Martin Luther King-worshipping civic nationalist. One can dislike Romney for either, but not for both. Pick one.

    At least Romney had the courage to declare his naïveté openly. Most Republican U.S. senators are more cynical.

    Replies: @Rich, @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie, @iffen

    What did you expect him to do? Go full Fascist like me?

    Surely you aren’t saying that there is nothing between walking with a BLM and going “full fascist”?

    Romney is either an unprincipled opportunist or a naïve, outdated, Martin Luther King-worshipping civic nationalist.

    I happen to be a civic nationalist and I am so very far away from “worshipping” MLK. On the other hand, our definitions of civic nationalism may differ.

    At least Romney had the courage to declare his naïveté openly.

    I don’t think Romney is naïve. Naïve men do not build a fortune worth in excess of a quarter of a billion dollars. I don’t think he is courageous either.

    His political positions and history are pretty clear. He is an opportunist. Now, it just so happens that almost all politicians are opportunists, so Romney is hardly unusual. So the question is simply of this: is his opportunism aligned with my political interests? I must say, for me, it’s a clear and unequivocal no.

    Presently, I like Josh Hawley. But he is young and untested despite being a U.S. senator so we shall see. Should Trump depart the political scene, I think he is the obvious nationalist-populist standard-bearer. But I trust no politician no matter how much I like him or her. As the saying goes, politics is show business for ugly people (and instead of dollars and cents, pressure is the currency), so that makes politicians unattractive actors, not exactly the type of people who ooze trustworthiness.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie


    Very droll, very droll indeed. Know your environment, sir, know your environment. You are on The Unz Review.
     
    Were you under the impression that I discussed or mentioned such matters outside my home in real life? I am not quite so great a fool. Moreover, my line of work is nonpolitical: such matters seldom come up.

    I come here because here is the place to talk.


    Surely you aren’t saying that there is nothing between walking with a BLM and going “full fascist”?
     
    No, I would not say that. Much is between.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Corvinus
    @Twinkie

    “Now, it just so happens that almost all politicians are opportunists, so Romney is hardly unusual. “

    They are opportunists on a continuum (left to right) from primarily serving the public’s interest through policy making or primarily serving their own interest through grift and graft. I would say American politicians by and by fall on the left side. But when we compare Romney and Trump, it is patently obvious Trump is doing everything he can to build his brand under the guise of populism. He’s decidedly on the right (bad) side of that continuum. His Jewish handlers (Kushner and Miller) have greatly aided him in this regard. As a result, some of his supporters and defenders have become the embodiment of their worst selves. But in this election, a number of people woke up, realized who is Trump, and cast their vote for the leaser of two evils, similar to what they did in 2016 when they opposed Shitlery. Ironic, to say the least.

    The fact of the matter is that Trump and his diehards have little in common other than he being the conduit to their frustration, which he gleefully obliges. Would he sit down and have a beer with them in a pub? Change his own tire, even if it meant getting grease on a 3K suit? Own a dog as a pet?

    No, but the myth has been created by Trump and his two trusty Zionist sidekicks.

  51. @Audacious Epigone
    @A123

    I wasn't aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson. Samson is already toast. The question is not about mutually assured destruction, it's about getting back at the horrible bastards who did the toasting.

    Replies: @anon, @Twinkie, @A123, @nebulafox

    I wasn’t aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson.

    I totally misread you!

    I am a bit surprised. I thought you read this book.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  52. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Rich


    I lost any remaining respect I may have had for Romney when he marched down the street with blm lunatics. He’s a joke.
     
    What did you expect him to do? Go full Fascist like me?

    Romney's critics cannot have it both ways. Romney is either an unprincipled opportunist or a naïve, outdated, Martin Luther King-worshipping civic nationalist. One can dislike Romney for either, but not for both. Pick one.

    At least Romney had the courage to declare his naïveté openly. Most Republican U.S. senators are more cynical.

    Replies: @Rich, @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie, @iffen

    I happen to be on the high on the empathy scale, V. K., and I’m not saying that some of these other commenters are not, but I don’t think that they understand your struggle. For example, in the future should you attend a Charlottesville type event you’re going to be forced into a Sophie’s choice situation where you must choose to march with the Proud Boys or march with Mitt and his BLM peeps.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @iffen


    I happen to be on the high on the empathy scale
     
    And I love everyone. ;)

    Replies: @iffen

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    I happen to be on the high on the empathy scale, V. K., and I’m not saying that some of these other commenters are not, but I don’t think that they understand your struggle. For example, in the future should you attend a Charlottesville type event you’re going to be forced into a Sophie’s choice situation where you must choose to march with the Proud Boys or march with Mitt and his BLM peeps.
     
    Sometimes I wish that I were empathetic like you.

    Even if the street rally at Charlottesville, 2017, was the most significant in the U.S. since 1968, one should hear @dfordoom's counsel in the matter: Charlottesville objectively failed. The spirit was fine; the results were regrettable. Fields, Borden, Ramos, Goodwin and Davis still languish in prison. Under the circumstance, the price paid was too high.

    Nick Fuentes and The Proud Boys are not persons I know. Not a soul I know who was at Charlottesville, 2017, nor any of their friends as far as I am aware, would attend another such event, fond though their recollections of the original might be.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  53. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Wyatt

    You are hardly the only one here to abuse me for Mitt Romney's sake. This comment column is not about me, but personally, I find it ironic that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.

    Romney would never accept the endorsement of a person like me, if that's of any consolation to you.

    I think that you ought to be angry at the several Republican U.S. senators who pretend to be Donald Trump's friends but aren't. At least Romney declares his opposition openly.


    [CITATION NEEDED]
     
    Sorry, I do not understand the request. Citation of what, please?

    Replies: @Wyatt, @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

    I find it ironic that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.

    Very droll, very droll indeed. Know your environment, sir, know your environment. You are on The Unz Review.

  54. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I happen to be on the high on the empathy scale, V. K., and I'm not saying that some of these other commenters are not, but I don't think that they understand your struggle. For example, in the future should you attend a Charlottesville type event you're going to be forced into a Sophie's choice situation where you must choose to march with the Proud Boys or march with Mitt and his BLM peeps.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V. K. Ovelund

    I happen to be on the high on the empathy scale

    And I love everyone. 😉

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Twinkie

    Are you talking to me?

    Mr. "I am the poster boy for long time horizon/impulse control."

    :)

  55. @Twinkie
    @iffen


    I happen to be on the high on the empathy scale
     
    And I love everyone. ;)

    Replies: @iffen

    Are you talking to me?

    Mr. “I am the poster boy for long time horizon/impulse control.”

    🙂

    • Agree: Twinkie
  56. @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    What did you expect him to do? Go full Fascist like me?
     
    Surely you aren't saying that there is nothing between walking with a BLM and going "full fascist"?

    Romney is either an unprincipled opportunist or a naïve, outdated, Martin Luther King-worshipping civic nationalist.
     
    I happen to be a civic nationalist and I am so very far away from "worshipping" MLK. On the other hand, our definitions of civic nationalism may differ.

    At least Romney had the courage to declare his naïveté openly.
     
    I don't think Romney is naïve. Naïve men do not build a fortune worth in excess of a quarter of a billion dollars. I don't think he is courageous either.

    His political positions and history are pretty clear. He is an opportunist. Now, it just so happens that almost all politicians are opportunists, so Romney is hardly unusual. So the question is simply of this: is his opportunism aligned with my political interests? I must say, for me, it's a clear and unequivocal no.

    Presently, I like Josh Hawley. But he is young and untested despite being a U.S. senator so we shall see. Should Trump depart the political scene, I think he is the obvious nationalist-populist standard-bearer. But I trust no politician no matter how much I like him or her. As the saying goes, politics is show business for ugly people (and instead of dollars and cents, pressure is the currency), so that makes politicians unattractive actors, not exactly the type of people who ooze trustworthiness.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Corvinus

    Very droll, very droll indeed. Know your environment, sir, know your environment. You are on The Unz Review.

    Were you under the impression that I discussed or mentioned such matters outside my home in real life? I am not quite so great a fool. Moreover, my line of work is nonpolitical: such matters seldom come up.

    I come here because here is the place to talk.

    Surely you aren’t saying that there is nothing between walking with a BLM and going “full fascist”?

    No, I would not say that. Much is between.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Were you under the impression that I discussed or mentioned such matters outside my home in real life? I am not quite so great a fool. Moreover, my line of work is nonpolitical: such matters seldom come up.
     
    My “droll” comment was in reference to you finding it amusing that you got more flak for being soft on Romney than on Hitler on Unz. I thought it was a funny line.
  57. @dfordoom
    @Corvinus



    While 73% of the 74 million people who voted for Trump have a “very favorable” opinion of him…”
     
    You mean 73% of the 1500 people in the survey have this sentiment.
     
    It's amusing that the people who a short while ago were telling us that "the polls are all lies and totally fraudulent" are now telling us that "these new polls are totally accurate and totally trustworthy."

    So polls that conflict with our prejudices are lies and frauds but polls that confirm our prejudices are accurate and trustworthy.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Corvinus

    Yhe little pigs appreciate your strawmen.

  58. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I happen to be on the high on the empathy scale, V. K., and I'm not saying that some of these other commenters are not, but I don't think that they understand your struggle. For example, in the future should you attend a Charlottesville type event you're going to be forced into a Sophie's choice situation where you must choose to march with the Proud Boys or march with Mitt and his BLM peeps.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V. K. Ovelund

    I happen to be on the high on the empathy scale, V. K., and I’m not saying that some of these other commenters are not, but I don’t think that they understand your struggle. For example, in the future should you attend a Charlottesville type event you’re going to be forced into a Sophie’s choice situation where you must choose to march with the Proud Boys or march with Mitt and his BLM peeps.

    Sometimes I wish that I were empathetic like you.

    Even if the street rally at Charlottesville, 2017, was the most significant in the U.S. since 1968, one should hear ’s counsel in the matter: Charlottesville objectively failed. The spirit was fine; the results were regrettable. Fields, Borden, Ramos, Goodwin and Davis still languish in prison. Under the circumstance, the price paid was too high.

    Nick Fuentes and The Proud Boys are not persons I know. Not a soul I know who was at Charlottesville, 2017, nor any of their friends as far as I am aware, would attend another such event, fond though their recollections of the original might be.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Charlottesville objectively failed.
     
    You know what other Virginia event organized and attended by a huge crowd of rightists succeeded?

    VCDL Lobby Day 2020:

    https://www-internationalsportsman-com.exactdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/VCDL-Lobby-Day.jpg
  59. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie


    Very droll, very droll indeed. Know your environment, sir, know your environment. You are on The Unz Review.
     
    Were you under the impression that I discussed or mentioned such matters outside my home in real life? I am not quite so great a fool. Moreover, my line of work is nonpolitical: such matters seldom come up.

    I come here because here is the place to talk.


    Surely you aren’t saying that there is nothing between walking with a BLM and going “full fascist”?
     
    No, I would not say that. Much is between.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Were you under the impression that I discussed or mentioned such matters outside my home in real life? I am not quite so great a fool. Moreover, my line of work is nonpolitical: such matters seldom come up.

    My “droll” comment was in reference to you finding it amusing that you got more flak for being soft on Romney than on Hitler on Unz. I thought it was a funny line.

  60. @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    I happen to be on the high on the empathy scale, V. K., and I’m not saying that some of these other commenters are not, but I don’t think that they understand your struggle. For example, in the future should you attend a Charlottesville type event you’re going to be forced into a Sophie’s choice situation where you must choose to march with the Proud Boys or march with Mitt and his BLM peeps.
     
    Sometimes I wish that I were empathetic like you.

    Even if the street rally at Charlottesville, 2017, was the most significant in the U.S. since 1968, one should hear @dfordoom's counsel in the matter: Charlottesville objectively failed. The spirit was fine; the results were regrettable. Fields, Borden, Ramos, Goodwin and Davis still languish in prison. Under the circumstance, the price paid was too high.

    Nick Fuentes and The Proud Boys are not persons I know. Not a soul I know who was at Charlottesville, 2017, nor any of their friends as far as I am aware, would attend another such event, fond though their recollections of the original might be.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Charlottesville objectively failed.

    You know what other Virginia event organized and attended by a huge crowd of rightists succeeded?

    VCDL Lobby Day 2020:

  61. @A123
    @MEH 0910

    Yep.

    Romney's time with Bain Capital showed us his personal values. The strong are entitled to prey on the weak. The weak are there to provide backs for The Elites to stand on.

    PEACE 😇
     
     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3QL-d4OyX9U/X9eRDIP58OI/AAAAAAACjpY/QfrxWQwe7K8qY1Jlrlq3Yg6FlqKYcbfJQCLcBGAsYHQ/s542/1%2Bssdfsdfgdfgddgfg.jpg
     
    .
     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rqn4Y8OLTWA/Xw8IYMY0IvI/AAAAAAACWqU/ro8dA4577q4B56YX7sfQoqdqM_HGg8o0QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1%2B1%2B24600f9039f3361209f3553d81_8b0a07dc_400.jpg

    Replies: @Tlotsi

    Calling Romney a douche bag is an insult to douche bags.

    • LOL: Mark G.
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Tlotsi

    I don't have anything particular against Romney, personally-he's just one more oligarch in a nation dominated by them. But his nomination in 2012 epitomized everything that was and still is wrong with the Republican Party, to the point that a Queens reality TV star could waltz in and be nominated, purely on the basis that he *might* be a wild card and that everything "mainstream" visibly despised him.

    They are now the party of the opposition to a dying order, whether they want to be or not. If the GOP Establishment wants to try and reverse the clock to pre-2016 norms, they are going to fail. Nobody wants it, and nobody's gonna vote for it.

  62. @Audacious Epigone
    @A123

    I wasn't aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson. Samson is already toast. The question is not about mutually assured destruction, it's about getting back at the horrible bastards who did the toasting.

    Replies: @anon, @Twinkie, @A123, @nebulafox

    I wasn’t aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson.

    My apologies.

    There is a great deal of deranged anger on UR against Palestinian Jews who have the temerity to live the Jewish homeland of Judea & Samaria. As such, the modern usages expressed by Palestinian Jews and non-Palestinian Muslims appear frequently on the site.
    ___

    Given that the Fake Stream Media [FSM] is Trump’s true foe, he could use a Biblical Samson Option against them by seizing those corporations with eminent domain, and selling them to more rational owners. Though, if he wants to go down that path, it is a bit late.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    There is a great deal of deranged anger on UR against Palestinian Jews who have the temerity to live the Jewish homeland of Judea & Samaria. As such, the modern usages expressed by Palestinian Jews and non-Palestinian Muslims appear frequently on the site.
     
    I can only speak for myself, though I suspect that my position is not atypical of the class of persons of which you speak.

    I care little about the state of Israel as such one way or the other, nor about the fortunes of Palestinian Muslims (which are not my problem), but—as the wearing or nonwearing of masks in the U.S., for example—attitudes regarding Israel proxy attitudes in other matters. The hypocrisy that Jews must have an ethnostate while white Gentiles may not have an ethnostate but must fight and die in distant wars to promote the interests of the Jewish ethnostate—such hypocrisy is provocative in the extreme.

    The last paragraph was not precisely rational, but a precisely rational paragraph would have been too long to read. I think that you get my drift.

    Disclosure: I've a son under U.S. arms. Israel is willing to kill him. This is personal to me.

    Replies: @A123, @Twinkie

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @A123

    No apology necessary. It's a little embarrassing that I wasn't aware of the recent history of the phrase given that Seymour Hersh wrote a book with the title.

  63. @dfordoom
    @Audacious Epigone


    Presumably that isn’t directed my direction. While we noted the state level polls missed by puffing Biden up ~4% on average, that’s much different than thinking the polls are “totally untrustworthy”.
     
    No, it wasn't directed at you.

    There are people arguing that the polls were so wrong that Trump actually won in a landslide, which would have meant the polls being off by 10-15%. That's ludicrously implausible.

    There are also Trump supporters who were and are arguing that the pre-election polling was deliberately fraudulent and that the polls were deliberate lies. I think that's ridiculously implausible as well.

    I am sceptical of polls that ask imprecise questions. Questions on social attitudes for example are always by their nature imprecise.

    Replies: @A123, @res

    There are people arguing that the polls were so wrong that Trump actually won in a landslide, which would have meant the polls being off by 10-15%. That’s ludicrously implausible.

    Trump had a massive Electoral College win, not a massive popular vote win. The SJWastika fraud for Führer Biden is about ~2MM votes which is around 1% of the total.

    I am on the pro-Trump side and have never heard anyone claim Trump won by 10-15% in the popular vote. I suspect that you are the victim of a SJWastika strawman argument created by the Nazicrats to discredit accurate complaints about their misconduct.

    There are also Trump supporters who were and are arguing that the pre-election polling was deliberately fraudulent and that the polls were deliberate lies. I think that’s ridiculously implausible as well.

    It is proven fact that many pre-election polls over sampled Democrats and understands Republicans. This was openly admitted and disclosed in the detailed results.

    Thus the pre-election polling was deliberately misleading except for a few firms such as Rasmussen.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Corvinus
  64. @A123
    @Audacious Epigone


    I wasn’t aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson.
     
    My apologies.

    There is a great deal of deranged anger on UR against Palestinian Jews who have the temerity to live the Jewish homeland of Judea & Samaria. As such, the modern usages expressed by Palestinian Jews and non-Palestinian Muslims appear frequently on the site.
    ___

    Given that the Fake Stream Media [FSM] is Trump's true foe, he could use a Biblical Samson Option against them by seizing those corporations with eminent domain, and selling them to more rational owners. Though, if he wants to go down that path, it is a bit late.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Audacious Epigone

    There is a great deal of deranged anger on UR against Palestinian Jews who have the temerity to live the Jewish homeland of Judea & Samaria. As such, the modern usages expressed by Palestinian Jews and non-Palestinian Muslims appear frequently on the site.

    I can only speak for myself, though I suspect that my position is not atypical of the class of persons of which you speak.

    I care little about the state of Israel as such one way or the other, nor about the fortunes of Palestinian Muslims (which are not my problem), but—as the wearing or nonwearing of masks in the U.S., for example—attitudes regarding Israel proxy attitudes in other matters. The hypocrisy that Jews must have an ethnostate while white Gentiles may not have an ethnostate but must fight and die in distant wars to promote the interests of the Jewish ethnostate—such hypocrisy is provocative in the extreme.

    The last paragraph was not precisely rational, but a precisely rational paragraph would have been too long to read. I think that you get my drift.

    Disclosure: I’ve a son under U.S. arms. Israel is willing to kill him. This is personal to me.

    • Replies: @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Where you are having problem is separating the tiny group of "Elite U.S. Jewish Political Activists" from the millions of Jews who want to live peacefully the Jewish homeland.

    As a result others seen you as emitting an impenetrable hysteria. You come off as not just WN, but a wacky extreme even within that community.

    As an example -- You say this:


    I’ve a son under U.S. arms. Israel is willing to kill him
     
    Do you really believe that Benjamin Netanyahu knows your son by name?
    And, is willing to give that name on a piece of paper to Mossad?
    Who, will then send a hit team to exterminate your son?

    Rational people hear your accusation, and it sounds like deranged paranoia. The fact is -- Israel does not want to kill your son.

    There is a huge amount of highly valuable oil in the Middle East. It would be a flashpoint for conflict even if Palestinian Jews had never returned to the homeland of their faith. Blaming "Jews" for Middle Eastern Oil has all sorts of problems with both chronology and capability.
    ___

    As another example -- You are outraged that the Charlottesville Five are in jail.

    You have conceded that the Virginia leadership, including the AG overseeing the prosecution, are Christian & Democrats. You are against all "Jews", however the only person who can free the people you want freed is a Christian.

    --Why do you not rage against all Christians, because of the actions of a few Christians?

    If you will not do that: -- Why do you rage against all Jews, because of the actions of a few Jews?

    There is a disconnect in your behaviour that no one can follow.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    , @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    The hypocrisy that Jews must have an ethnostate while white Gentiles may not have an ethnostate
     
    While I share your distaste for hypocrisy, I think there is some confusion here on the terms. Israel is really a religious state. Despite the rather odd situation, in which a majority Israelis are secular, the legal system in Israel that governs citizenship, marriage, etc. is dominated by, and is permeated with, religious authority (e.g. the Chief Rabbinate, etc.). It is an "ethno-state" in the sense that the religious authorities determine who and who are not within the ethnic group, but only based on religious grounds - largely based on specific descent rather than genetics.

    Meanwhile, most white nationalists who desire an ethno-state in the West/European countries seem to want to base citizenship on phenotypical genetics (do they look white?) rather than on descent.

    They can both be imprecisely called ethno-states, but are very different things.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  65. @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    What did you expect him to do? Go full Fascist like me?
     
    Surely you aren't saying that there is nothing between walking with a BLM and going "full fascist"?

    Romney is either an unprincipled opportunist or a naïve, outdated, Martin Luther King-worshipping civic nationalist.
     
    I happen to be a civic nationalist and I am so very far away from "worshipping" MLK. On the other hand, our definitions of civic nationalism may differ.

    At least Romney had the courage to declare his naïveté openly.
     
    I don't think Romney is naïve. Naïve men do not build a fortune worth in excess of a quarter of a billion dollars. I don't think he is courageous either.

    His political positions and history are pretty clear. He is an opportunist. Now, it just so happens that almost all politicians are opportunists, so Romney is hardly unusual. So the question is simply of this: is his opportunism aligned with my political interests? I must say, for me, it's a clear and unequivocal no.

    Presently, I like Josh Hawley. But he is young and untested despite being a U.S. senator so we shall see. Should Trump depart the political scene, I think he is the obvious nationalist-populist standard-bearer. But I trust no politician no matter how much I like him or her. As the saying goes, politics is show business for ugly people (and instead of dollars and cents, pressure is the currency), so that makes politicians unattractive actors, not exactly the type of people who ooze trustworthiness.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Corvinus

    “Now, it just so happens that almost all politicians are opportunists, so Romney is hardly unusual. “

    They are opportunists on a continuum (left to right) from primarily serving the public’s interest through policy making or primarily serving their own interest through grift and graft. I would say American politicians by and by fall on the left side. But when we compare Romney and Trump, it is patently obvious Trump is doing everything he can to build his brand under the guise of populism. He’s decidedly on the right (bad) side of that continuum. His Jewish handlers (Kushner and Miller) have greatly aided him in this regard. As a result, some of his supporters and defenders have become the embodiment of their worst selves. But in this election, a number of people woke up, realized who is Trump, and cast their vote for the leaser of two evils, similar to what they did in 2016 when they opposed Shitlery. Ironic, to say the least.

    The fact of the matter is that Trump and his diehards have little in common other than he being the conduit to their frustration, which he gleefully obliges. Would he sit down and have a beer with them in a pub? Change his own tire, even if it meant getting grease on a 3K suit? Own a dog as a pet?

    No, but the myth has been created by Trump and his two trusty Zionist sidekicks.

  66. @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    There is a great deal of deranged anger on UR against Palestinian Jews who have the temerity to live the Jewish homeland of Judea & Samaria. As such, the modern usages expressed by Palestinian Jews and non-Palestinian Muslims appear frequently on the site.
     
    I can only speak for myself, though I suspect that my position is not atypical of the class of persons of which you speak.

    I care little about the state of Israel as such one way or the other, nor about the fortunes of Palestinian Muslims (which are not my problem), but—as the wearing or nonwearing of masks in the U.S., for example—attitudes regarding Israel proxy attitudes in other matters. The hypocrisy that Jews must have an ethnostate while white Gentiles may not have an ethnostate but must fight and die in distant wars to promote the interests of the Jewish ethnostate—such hypocrisy is provocative in the extreme.

    The last paragraph was not precisely rational, but a precisely rational paragraph would have been too long to read. I think that you get my drift.

    Disclosure: I've a son under U.S. arms. Israel is willing to kill him. This is personal to me.

    Replies: @A123, @Twinkie

    Where you are having problem is separating the tiny group of “Elite U.S. Jewish Political Activists” from the millions of Jews who want to live peacefully the Jewish homeland.

    As a result others seen you as emitting an impenetrable hysteria. You come off as not just WN, but a wacky extreme even within that community.

    As an example — You say this:

    I’ve a son under U.S. arms. Israel is willing to kill him

    Do you really believe that Benjamin Netanyahu knows your son by name?
    And, is willing to give that name on a piece of paper to Mossad?
    Who, will then send a hit team to exterminate your son?

    Rational people hear your accusation, and it sounds like deranged paranoia. The fact is — Israel does not want to kill your son.

    There is a huge amount of highly valuable oil in the Middle East. It would be a flashpoint for conflict even if Palestinian Jews had never returned to the homeland of their faith. Blaming “Jews” for Middle Eastern Oil has all sorts of problems with both chronology and capability.
    ___

    As another example — You are outraged that the Charlottesville Five are in jail.

    You have conceded that the Virginia leadership, including the AG overseeing the prosecution, are Christian & Democrats. You are against all “Jews”, however the only person who can free the people you want freed is a Christian.

    –Why do you not rage against all Christians, because of the actions of a few Christians?

    If you will not do that: — Why do you rage against all Jews, because of the actions of a few Jews?

    There is a disconnect in your behaviour that no one can follow.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    Where you are having problem is separating the tiny group of “Elite U.S. Jewish Political Activists” from the millions of Jews who want to live peacefully the Jewish homeland.
     
    Separating them is your job, not mine. You seem to be doing it okay without my help.

    As a result others see you as emitting an impenetrable hysteria.
     
    Your prediction is mere propaganda. You project.

    Do you really believe that Benjamin Netanyahu knows your son by name?
     
    What kind of question is this?

    Rational people ...
     
    No, Jews have been playing this game far too long. In your typically Jewish lingo, “rational people” means little more than Jews plus persons that say and do what Jews wish them to say and do. Anti-Semitism is held to be irrational by definition.

    The lingo is declined. Try again.


    ... hear your accusation, and it sounds like deranged paranoia.
     
    I suppose that it takes one to know one.

    Blaming “Jews” for Middle Eastern Oil has all sorts of problems with both chronology and capability.
     
    I do not recall mentioning Middle Eastern Oil, but that's all right. I grasp the connection. Your scare quotes are silly, though.

    As another example — You are outraged that the Charlottesville Five are in jail.

    You have conceded that the Virginia leadership, including the AG overseeing the prosecution, are Christian & Democrats. You are against all “Jews”, however the only person who can free the people you want freed is a Christian.
     

    This is true.

    Why do you not rage against all Christians, because of the actions of a few Christians?
     
    Because I am one?

    Why do you rage against all Jews, because of the actions of a few Jews?
     
    I do not rage against all Jews, if you mean, individually; but your point is taken. Jews collectively are uniquely pernicious in ways that have been amply cataloged at The Unz Review.

    I would say to Jews, just stop; but I do not believe that Jews can stop. I do believe however that, given sufficient pressure, Jewish behavior can be temporarily redirected into less malign channels.


    There is a disconnect in your behaviour that no one can follow.
     
    Your trouble is, a growing number can follow it quite well.

    Replies: @A123, @dfordoom

  67. @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Where you are having problem is separating the tiny group of "Elite U.S. Jewish Political Activists" from the millions of Jews who want to live peacefully the Jewish homeland.

    As a result others seen you as emitting an impenetrable hysteria. You come off as not just WN, but a wacky extreme even within that community.

    As an example -- You say this:


    I’ve a son under U.S. arms. Israel is willing to kill him
     
    Do you really believe that Benjamin Netanyahu knows your son by name?
    And, is willing to give that name on a piece of paper to Mossad?
    Who, will then send a hit team to exterminate your son?

    Rational people hear your accusation, and it sounds like deranged paranoia. The fact is -- Israel does not want to kill your son.

    There is a huge amount of highly valuable oil in the Middle East. It would be a flashpoint for conflict even if Palestinian Jews had never returned to the homeland of their faith. Blaming "Jews" for Middle Eastern Oil has all sorts of problems with both chronology and capability.
    ___

    As another example -- You are outraged that the Charlottesville Five are in jail.

    You have conceded that the Virginia leadership, including the AG overseeing the prosecution, are Christian & Democrats. You are against all "Jews", however the only person who can free the people you want freed is a Christian.

    --Why do you not rage against all Christians, because of the actions of a few Christians?

    If you will not do that: -- Why do you rage against all Jews, because of the actions of a few Jews?

    There is a disconnect in your behaviour that no one can follow.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    Where you are having problem is separating the tiny group of “Elite U.S. Jewish Political Activists” from the millions of Jews who want to live peacefully the Jewish homeland.

    Separating them is your job, not mine. You seem to be doing it okay without my help.

    As a result others see you as emitting an impenetrable hysteria.

    Your prediction is mere propaganda. You project.

    [MORE]

    Do you really believe that Benjamin Netanyahu knows your son by name?

    What kind of question is this?

    Rational people …

    No, Jews have been playing this game far too long. In your typically Jewish lingo, “rational people” means little more than Jews plus persons that say and do what Jews wish them to say and do. Anti-Semitism is held to be irrational by definition.

    The lingo is declined. Try again.

    … hear your accusation, and it sounds like deranged paranoia.

    I suppose that it takes one to know one.

    Blaming “Jews” for Middle Eastern Oil has all sorts of problems with both chronology and capability.

    I do not recall mentioning Middle Eastern Oil, but that’s all right. I grasp the connection. Your scare quotes are silly, though.

    As another example — You are outraged that the Charlottesville Five are in jail.

    You have conceded that the Virginia leadership, including the AG overseeing the prosecution, are Christian & Democrats. You are against all “Jews”, however the only person who can free the people you want freed is a Christian.

    This is true.

    Why do you not rage against all Christians, because of the actions of a few Christians?

    Because I am one?

    Why do you rage against all Jews, because of the actions of a few Jews?

    I do not rage against all Jews, if you mean, individually; but your point is taken. Jews collectively are uniquely pernicious in ways that have been amply cataloged at The Unz Review.

    I would say to Jews, just stop; but I do not believe that Jews can stop. I do believe however that, given sufficient pressure, Jewish behavior can be temporarily redirected into less malign channels.

    There is a disconnect in your behaviour that no one can follow.

    Your trouble is, a growing number can follow it quite well.

    • Replies: @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund



    There is a disconnect in your behaviour that no one can follow.
     
    Your trouble is, a growing number can follow it quite well.
     
    The handful of recruits you can muster against God will never counter those who believe in God's Judeo-Christian values.

    The only path you can travel, to find a pool of hate against God are the likes of Ilhan Omar and Rashid Tlaib. This does not do much for your "cause" as you hate God in different ways.

    As long as you collectively blame millions for the actions of a few, you are on a dark path and your soul is at risk. Alas, there is nothing I can do to help, as you your problem is not with me.

    Your problem is with You. Only You & God can fix Your Hate.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund



    Jews collectively are uniquely pernicious in ways that have been amply cataloged at The Unz Review.
     
    Any group of people united by common interests, when viewed collectively, will appear to be acting in uniquely pernicious ways. Bankers for instance.
     

    Replies: @A123

  68. @Audacious Epigone
    @A123

    I wasn't aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson. Samson is already toast. The question is not about mutually assured destruction, it's about getting back at the horrible bastards who did the toasting.

    Replies: @anon, @Twinkie, @A123, @nebulafox

    Hey, live and learn. Take it in stride.

    For what it is worth, the Israelis got Edward Teller himself to advise them on nuclear tech, so I do not think they ever needed to test their nukes to know they worked. Non-denial denials aside.

    • Replies: @anon
    @nebulafox

    I do not think they ever needed to test their nukes to know they worked.

    Possibly. Or maybe one shot was sufficient confirmation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @nebulafox

    Thanks. I knew Israel had nukes, of course.

  69. This blog makes one feel like a bit like character in a soap opera. It’s fun. Here you have and , there you have and , and over on the other side you have and @Intelligent Dasein. Dramatic tension is built into the cast.

    Of course, one should not assume that it is dramatic tension. Maybe it’s dramatic boredom to some; but either way, after a few episodes, the scripts practically start writing themselves.

    The test would be to see whether the actors could rotate parts for a week, such that no one could tell the difference. Like, I play @Intelligent Dasein, who plays , and so on.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    the scripts practically start writing themselves.

    How about this: you are a salesman with a package; you are a missionary like Talha.

    I don't buy Talha's package and I don't buy yours.

    What's the difference?

    Talha tells us straight up and down what he's doing.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  70. @V. K. Ovelund
    This blog makes one feel like a bit like character in a soap opera. It's fun. Here you have @V. K. Ovelund and @A123, there you have @Twinkie and @iffen, and over on the other side you have @dfordoom and @Intelligent Dasein. Dramatic tension is built into the cast.

    Of course, one should not assume that it is dramatic tension. Maybe it's dramatic boredom to some; but either way, after a few episodes, the scripts practically start writing themselves.

    The test would be to see whether the actors could rotate parts for a week, such that no one could tell the difference. Like, I play @Intelligent Dasein, who plays @Twinkie, and so on.

    Replies: @iffen

    the scripts practically start writing themselves.

    How about this: you are a salesman with a package; you are a missionary like Talha.

    I don’t buy Talha’s package and I don’t buy yours.

    What’s the difference?

    Talha tells us straight up and down what he’s doing.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    I don’t buy Talha’s package and I don’t buy yours.

    What’s the difference?

    Talha tells us straight up and down what he’s doing.
     
    Yeah, Talha is a good guy. So are you.

    As for me, I am not sure yet exactly what the contents of my package are. If that comes across as less than straight, then it's probably the best I can do.
  71. @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    Where you are having problem is separating the tiny group of “Elite U.S. Jewish Political Activists” from the millions of Jews who want to live peacefully the Jewish homeland.
     
    Separating them is your job, not mine. You seem to be doing it okay without my help.

    As a result others see you as emitting an impenetrable hysteria.
     
    Your prediction is mere propaganda. You project.

    Do you really believe that Benjamin Netanyahu knows your son by name?
     
    What kind of question is this?

    Rational people ...
     
    No, Jews have been playing this game far too long. In your typically Jewish lingo, “rational people” means little more than Jews plus persons that say and do what Jews wish them to say and do. Anti-Semitism is held to be irrational by definition.

    The lingo is declined. Try again.


    ... hear your accusation, and it sounds like deranged paranoia.
     
    I suppose that it takes one to know one.

    Blaming “Jews” for Middle Eastern Oil has all sorts of problems with both chronology and capability.
     
    I do not recall mentioning Middle Eastern Oil, but that's all right. I grasp the connection. Your scare quotes are silly, though.

    As another example — You are outraged that the Charlottesville Five are in jail.

    You have conceded that the Virginia leadership, including the AG overseeing the prosecution, are Christian & Democrats. You are against all “Jews”, however the only person who can free the people you want freed is a Christian.
     

    This is true.

    Why do you not rage against all Christians, because of the actions of a few Christians?
     
    Because I am one?

    Why do you rage against all Jews, because of the actions of a few Jews?
     
    I do not rage against all Jews, if you mean, individually; but your point is taken. Jews collectively are uniquely pernicious in ways that have been amply cataloged at The Unz Review.

    I would say to Jews, just stop; but I do not believe that Jews can stop. I do believe however that, given sufficient pressure, Jewish behavior can be temporarily redirected into less malign channels.


    There is a disconnect in your behaviour that no one can follow.
     
    Your trouble is, a growing number can follow it quite well.

    Replies: @A123, @dfordoom

    There is a disconnect in your behaviour that no one can follow.

    Your trouble is, a growing number can follow it quite well.

    The handful of recruits you can muster against God will never counter those who believe in God’s Judeo-Christian values.

    The only path you can travel, to find a pool of hate against God are the likes of Ilhan Omar and Rashid Tlaib. This does not do much for your “cause” as you hate God in different ways.

    As long as you collectively blame millions for the actions of a few, you are on a dark path and your soul is at risk. Alas, there is nothing I can do to help, as you your problem is not with me.

    Your problem is with You. Only You & God can fix Your Hate.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @A123

    >Judeo-Christian values.

    Neocon nonsense. Orthodox Judaism has more in common with Islam than Christianity, certainly more in common than the mainstream "modern" variants in the contemporary West.

    Replies: @A123

  72. @nebulafox
    @Audacious Epigone

    Hey, live and learn. Take it in stride.

    For what it is worth, the Israelis got Edward Teller himself to advise them on nuclear tech, so I do not think they ever needed to test their nukes to know they worked. Non-denial denials aside.

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

    I do not think they ever needed to test their nukes to know they worked.

    Possibly. Or maybe one shot was sufficient confirmation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @anon

    Very interesting! I don't see who else it could have been-India already did its test in 1974 and the Khans were still wrangling in Pakistan.

    Still, Israel had the nuclear weapons ready for over a decade by that point and had been developing them for a decade before that, so I doubt the purpose of that test was to prove they worked. It was probably for the benefit of the South Africans, judging by the location. I don't know much about the apartheid state-and am happy to take input from anybody who does-but I remember that the post-Yom Kippur environment was when cooperation between the regime in Pretoria and Israel was really getting strong.

  73. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    the scripts practically start writing themselves.

    How about this: you are a salesman with a package; you are a missionary like Talha.

    I don't buy Talha's package and I don't buy yours.

    What's the difference?

    Talha tells us straight up and down what he's doing.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    I don’t buy Talha’s package and I don’t buy yours.

    What’s the difference?

    Talha tells us straight up and down what he’s doing.

    Yeah, Talha is a good guy. So are you.

    As for me, I am not sure yet exactly what the contents of my package are. If that comes across as less than straight, then it’s probably the best I can do.

  74. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Wyatt

    You are hardly the only one here to abuse me for Mitt Romney's sake. This comment column is not about me, but personally, I find it ironic that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.

    Romney would never accept the endorsement of a person like me, if that's of any consolation to you.

    I think that you ought to be angry at the several Republican U.S. senators who pretend to be Donald Trump's friends but aren't. At least Romney declares his opposition openly.


    [CITATION NEEDED]
     
    Sorry, I do not understand the request. Citation of what, please?

    Replies: @Wyatt, @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

    personally, I find it *ironic* that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.

    I think the dictionary definition of “ironic” precludes its use in this context at Unz. The word you’re looking for is IMHO a synonym for “predictable”.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Johann Ricke

    It fits well within human psychology. So, not particularly ironic.


    --Hitler is a distant evil that will not return in person. At times his exploits are exaggerated into myth. While Führer-Elect Biden does want to bring back the worst offenses of National Socialism, few are focusing that far ahead.

    -- The despicable horror of predator Romney is an immediate and tangible threat. As it is current, resistance to Romniphilia(?) is pressing & actionable in a way that retconning Hitler is not.

    Given that BIDEN = HITLER; And, Romney has some utility blocking Führer Biden; I am willing to give some ground on the error of Romniphilia. However, I am never going to join that camp myself.

    There is another classical saying that needs to be modernized.

    "The enemy of my worst enemy is still not my friend, however they are someone I would cautiously do business was with."

    PEACE 😇

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Johann Ricke

    After "literally", is "ironic" the most misapplied word in the English language? Isn't it ironic that only one situation in the song actually depicts irony?

    https://youtu.be/sThaCXe1eJU?t=75

    Arguably yes, yes it is ironic. But it is dramatic irony.

  75. @Johann Ricke
    @V. K. Ovelund


    personally, I find it *ironic* that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.
     
    I think the dictionary definition of "ironic" precludes its use in this context at Unz. The word you're looking for is IMHO a synonym for "predictable".

    Replies: @A123, @Audacious Epigone

    It fits well within human psychology. So, not particularly ironic.

    –Hitler is a distant evil that will not return in person. At times his exploits are exaggerated into myth. While Führer-Elect Biden does want to bring back the worst offenses of National Socialism, few are focusing that far ahead.

    — The despicable horror of predator Romney is an immediate and tangible threat. As it is current, resistance to Romniphilia(?) is pressing & actionable in a way that retconning Hitler is not.

    Given that BIDEN = HITLER; And, Romney has some utility blocking Führer Biden; I am willing to give some ground on the error of Romniphilia. However, I am never going to join that camp myself.

    There is another classical saying that needs to be modernized.

    “The enemy of my worst enemy is still not my friend, however they are someone I would cautiously do business was with.”

    PEACE 😇

  76. @Charles Pewitt
    Roberta McCain vs Corrupt Mormon Mammonites or June Bug vs Hurricane by Lucinda Williams

    Roberta McCain -- mother of John McCain -- can't be blamed entirely for the fact that the departed US Senator John McCain was a dumb and nasty globalizer sonofabitch who pushed mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and sovereignty-sapping free trade deals and stupid, unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and much more crud like that.

    God bless the memory of McCain's mom, even though her son was a horrible bastard.

    I wrote this in August of 2017 about Mormon Mammonite Corruption and the 2002 Olympics and John McCain's mother going for total honesty:

    Roberta McCain, mother of John McCain, was not too impressed by Mitt Romney’s efforts to save the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics from Mormon money-grubbers who were robbing and looting to their Mammonite heart’s content. What I am suggesting is corrupt Mormons were taking advantage of business opportunities provided by the 2002 Olympics to enrich themselves. Mitt Romney was brought in as a “cleaner” to bring some decency and honor back to the business of the Salt Lake City Olympics.

     


    Roberta McCain says this of Mitt Romney and the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics:

     


    “And as far as this Salt Lake City thing, he’s a Mormon, and the Mormons of Salt Lake City that caused that scandal, and to clean that up…”

     

    https://youtu.be/8sK_xVZ9F_w

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    I forgot to leave the link for my 2002 Olympics Mormon Money-Grubber bit about Roberta McCain and Mitt Romney and avaricious Olympics corruption and thievery from the Utah Mormon Community. A lot of Mormons in the Intelligence Community that Jew Supremacist Charles Schumer was threatening Trump with.

    Here it is from August of 2017:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/olympics-to-paris-and-los-angeles/#comment-1952171

  77. @dfordoom
    @Audacious Epigone


    Presumably that isn’t directed my direction. While we noted the state level polls missed by puffing Biden up ~4% on average, that’s much different than thinking the polls are “totally untrustworthy”.
     
    No, it wasn't directed at you.

    There are people arguing that the polls were so wrong that Trump actually won in a landslide, which would have meant the polls being off by 10-15%. That's ludicrously implausible.

    There are also Trump supporters who were and are arguing that the pre-election polling was deliberately fraudulent and that the polls were deliberate lies. I think that's ridiculously implausible as well.

    I am sceptical of polls that ask imprecise questions. Questions on social attitudes for example are always by their nature imprecise.

    Replies: @A123, @res

    You make some good points, but I have to take issue with this.

    There are also Trump supporters who were and are arguing that the pre-election polling was deliberately fraudulent and that the polls were deliberate lies. I think that’s ridiculously implausible as well.

    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect foul play.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @res


    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect foul play.
     
    When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect that your polling methodology is at fault.

    It worries me when people's first impulse is to suspect foul play. That's just a little bit paranoid.

    Replies: @res

  78. @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund



    There is a disconnect in your behaviour that no one can follow.
     
    Your trouble is, a growing number can follow it quite well.
     
    The handful of recruits you can muster against God will never counter those who believe in God's Judeo-Christian values.

    The only path you can travel, to find a pool of hate against God are the likes of Ilhan Omar and Rashid Tlaib. This does not do much for your "cause" as you hate God in different ways.

    As long as you collectively blame millions for the actions of a few, you are on a dark path and your soul is at risk. Alas, there is nothing I can do to help, as you your problem is not with me.

    Your problem is with You. Only You & God can fix Your Hate.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >Judeo-Christian values.

    Neocon nonsense. Orthodox Judaism has more in common with Islam than Christianity, certainly more in common than the mainstream “modern” variants in the contemporary West.

    • Disagree: iffen
    • Replies: @A123
    @nebulafox


    Neocon nonsense. Orthodox Judaism has more in common with Islam than Christianity, certainly more in common than the mainstream “modern” variants in the contemporary West.
     
    Islam has nothing to do with either Judeo-Christian religion.

    The top commandments of inherently violent Muslim doctrine are:

    -1- Jihad -- Thou Must Murder All Infidels
    -2- Taqiyya -- Thou Must Lie To Infidels (so they are easier to murder)

    Jews & Christians have irrevocably banded together for survival against the greater threat of Islam. There is no Taqiyya lie you can produce to separate them.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nebulafox

  79. @Tlotsi
    @A123

    Calling Romney a douche bag is an insult to douche bags.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I don’t have anything particular against Romney, personally-he’s just one more oligarch in a nation dominated by them. But his nomination in 2012 epitomized everything that was and still is wrong with the Republican Party, to the point that a Queens reality TV star could waltz in and be nominated, purely on the basis that he *might* be a wild card and that everything “mainstream” visibly despised him.

    They are now the party of the opposition to a dying order, whether they want to be or not. If the GOP Establishment wants to try and reverse the clock to pre-2016 norms, they are going to fail. Nobody wants it, and nobody’s gonna vote for it.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  80. @Supply and Demand
    @Per/Norway

    There's nothing hypocritical about Zionism or Spencer not criticizing it ipso facto. I dislike the Jews and want to see them destroyed, but this does not invalidate their desire for their own ethnostate. That even the parasite wishes for a separate country from the global host is in fact evidence towards ethnostatism.

    It is an approach needs to be copied by white people, and then turned around on the Jews themselves. This is precisely why White Separatism is the only option in America.

    Replies: @anon

    Rubbish.

  81. @anon
    @A123

    The Fulton Option

    Mike Pence will be in charge of counting the final results from Electors, in the Senate.

    He could just stop counting due to a leaking water pipe he just spotted, have all the Senators removed then return at 3:00 AM to continue. What would anyone do about that? If 138,000 additional Electoral votes had been found in the mean time, what would anyone do about that?

    If the House leaders do not like the results of Pence's counting of Electoral votes, then the House must vote. Not by members, but by State delegation.

    The US is on the edge of a Constitutional crisis because the D's wanted to win no matter who or what was in the way and their Washington Generals play partners like Mittens Romney didn't have any problem with that.

    Replies: @anon

    Good.

  82. @nebulafox
    @A123

    >Judeo-Christian values.

    Neocon nonsense. Orthodox Judaism has more in common with Islam than Christianity, certainly more in common than the mainstream "modern" variants in the contemporary West.

    Replies: @A123

    Neocon nonsense. Orthodox Judaism has more in common with Islam than Christianity, certainly more in common than the mainstream “modern” variants in the contemporary West.

    Islam has nothing to do with either Judeo-Christian religion.

    The top commandments of inherently violent Muslim doctrine are:

    -1- Jihad — Thou Must Murder All Infidels
    -2- Taqiyya — Thou Must Lie To Infidels (so they are easier to murder)

    Jews & Christians have irrevocably banded together for survival against the greater threat of Islam. There is no Taqiyya lie you can produce to separate them.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @A123

    >Islam has nothing to do with either Judeo-Christian religion.

    It's dumbass ahistorical statements like these that lefty pseudo-intellectuals love to feast on to discredit opposing worldviews. Please see 3:30 for a not-so-inaccurate display of this dynamic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjAl_kbAxmc

    >Jews & Christians have irrevocably banded together for survival against the greater threat of Islam.

    Then why do many American Jews invariably have more contempt for right-wing American Christians than Muslims? Or why do the Israelis treat the Palestinian Christians like their Muslim co-ethnics?

    Replies: @A123

  83. @A123
    @nebulafox


    Neocon nonsense. Orthodox Judaism has more in common with Islam than Christianity, certainly more in common than the mainstream “modern” variants in the contemporary West.
     
    Islam has nothing to do with either Judeo-Christian religion.

    The top commandments of inherently violent Muslim doctrine are:

    -1- Jihad -- Thou Must Murder All Infidels
    -2- Taqiyya -- Thou Must Lie To Infidels (so they are easier to murder)

    Jews & Christians have irrevocably banded together for survival against the greater threat of Islam. There is no Taqiyya lie you can produce to separate them.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >Islam has nothing to do with either Judeo-Christian religion.

    It’s dumbass ahistorical statements like these that lefty pseudo-intellectuals love to feast on to discredit opposing worldviews. Please see 3:30 for a not-so-inaccurate display of this dynamic.

    >Jews & Christians have irrevocably banded together for survival against the greater threat of Islam.

    Then why do many American Jews invariably have more contempt for right-wing American Christians than Muslims? Or why do the Israelis treat the Palestinian Christians like their Muslim co-ethnics?

    • Replies: @A123
    @nebulafox

    ROTFLMAO

    You are 100% wrong on the facts, as usual.

    The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad has nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian religions, other than being an enemy.

    You remind me of a movie character that had only one response to objective facts... Shouting "Inconceivable" . To your brand of persistent and total reality denial there is only one possible response:
     
    https://64.media.tumblr.com/0106785948d21981e897a647ed3eaee2/tumblr_inline_mj4euy6oD31rez6q0.gif
     

    You really should stop your Taqiyya deception, as all you are doing is destroying the tattered remains of your near nonexistent credibility.

    Feel free to continue if you want. We need the comic relief. Remember:

    We are not laughing with you, we are Laughing At You!

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

  84. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:

    “Judeo-Christian” is fake. It was made up sometime in the last 80 years. The term is nowhere found in the New Testament, it does not exist in any early Christian writings, Augustine of Hippo wrote nothing of the sort nor did Thomas Aquinas.

    “Judeo-Christian” is obviously nowhere to be found in the writings of Martin Luther, nor is it anywhere in John Calvin’s corpus. No English Puritan or Dutch Reformed writer used it. “Judeo-Christian” is not found in the writings of the counter-Reformation.

    It can’t be found in 18th or 19th century works either. Charles Wesley never wrote such a term, nor did Spurgeon or any other man of the church in the Anglosphere or on the European continent. Even in the error-ridden writings of the 19th century Dispensationalist Christians one cannot find “Judeo-Christian”.

    There is no book from the first half of the 20th century entitled “Mere Judeo-Christianity”; search the writings of Roman Catholics, Church of England and the various Protestant denominations from 1900 through 1930 – you will not find that term. Not in Belloc, not in Chesterton, not in Machen.

    It is a term that does not illuminate, but rather obfuscates. It is a cloud of smoke intended to blur the vision. A fake term that probably can be followed to 1948 or perhaps earlier, coined by someone seeking to hide facts rather than reveal anything.

    Like “melting pot” and “golden door” and “nation of immigrants”, “Judeo-Christian” is a kind of incantation that serves to fool and confuse some people, in order to advantage other people.

  85. @nebulafox
    @A123

    >Islam has nothing to do with either Judeo-Christian religion.

    It's dumbass ahistorical statements like these that lefty pseudo-intellectuals love to feast on to discredit opposing worldviews. Please see 3:30 for a not-so-inaccurate display of this dynamic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjAl_kbAxmc

    >Jews & Christians have irrevocably banded together for survival against the greater threat of Islam.

    Then why do many American Jews invariably have more contempt for right-wing American Christians than Muslims? Or why do the Israelis treat the Palestinian Christians like their Muslim co-ethnics?

    Replies: @A123

    ROTFLMAO

    You are 100% wrong on the facts, as usual.

    The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad has nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian religions, other than being an enemy.

    You remind me of a movie character that had only one response to objective facts… Shouting “Inconceivable” . To your brand of persistent and total reality denial there is only one possible response:
      

    You really should stop your Taqiyya deception, as all you are doing is destroying the tattered remains of your near nonexistent credibility.

    Feel free to continue if you want. We need the comic relief. Remember:

    We are not laughing with you, we are Laughing At You!

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @A123

    >The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad

    Are you a 7th Century Roman come back to haunt us?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_of_Jacob

    Replies: @A123

    , @Twinkie
    @A123


    The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad has nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian religions, other than being an enemy.
     
    I have no ill will toward patriotic Jewish or Muslim Americans of good will. That said, the phrase "Judeo-Christian" is an early 20th century invention that was designed to be inclusive toward the only non-Christian minority in the United States. Nowadays, a similarly inclusive phrase is "Abrahamic" (faiths), with a nod toward Islam as well. But "Judeo-Christian" is definitionally a term that is, at best, muddy and, at worst, deceptive and incorrect.

    Although Christianity grew out of Judaism, it did so out of Judaism that no longer exists. The Judaism as practiced in most places in the world today long ago transformed and evolved from that Judaism into something different and has more similarities with Islam (itself also something of a later development of a Christian heresy of a sort). In that sense, both modern Judaism and Islam are reactions to Christianity.

    References to "Judeo-Christian" civilization or "Judeo-Christian" values are inaccurate, because Western civilization and Western values are largely the products of medieval and early modern Christianity. Jews or Judaism played very little role in the latter - they only became salient in the West after the 19th century when Jews were emancipated in Europe, by which time the West as such had already congealed as a civilization.

    Invoking "Judeo-Christian" anything these days - when the West appears to be at war with a particular strain of revolutionary Islam (which is also at war with the rest of the Islamic world) - in order to enmesh the West in a wider war with the entire Islamic world is deceptive and only serves the interests of the first component of that term.

    Replies: @A123, @nebulafox

  86. @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    Where you are having problem is separating the tiny group of “Elite U.S. Jewish Political Activists” from the millions of Jews who want to live peacefully the Jewish homeland.
     
    Separating them is your job, not mine. You seem to be doing it okay without my help.

    As a result others see you as emitting an impenetrable hysteria.
     
    Your prediction is mere propaganda. You project.

    Do you really believe that Benjamin Netanyahu knows your son by name?
     
    What kind of question is this?

    Rational people ...
     
    No, Jews have been playing this game far too long. In your typically Jewish lingo, “rational people” means little more than Jews plus persons that say and do what Jews wish them to say and do. Anti-Semitism is held to be irrational by definition.

    The lingo is declined. Try again.


    ... hear your accusation, and it sounds like deranged paranoia.
     
    I suppose that it takes one to know one.

    Blaming “Jews” for Middle Eastern Oil has all sorts of problems with both chronology and capability.
     
    I do not recall mentioning Middle Eastern Oil, but that's all right. I grasp the connection. Your scare quotes are silly, though.

    As another example — You are outraged that the Charlottesville Five are in jail.

    You have conceded that the Virginia leadership, including the AG overseeing the prosecution, are Christian & Democrats. You are against all “Jews”, however the only person who can free the people you want freed is a Christian.
     

    This is true.

    Why do you not rage against all Christians, because of the actions of a few Christians?
     
    Because I am one?

    Why do you rage against all Jews, because of the actions of a few Jews?
     
    I do not rage against all Jews, if you mean, individually; but your point is taken. Jews collectively are uniquely pernicious in ways that have been amply cataloged at The Unz Review.

    I would say to Jews, just stop; but I do not believe that Jews can stop. I do believe however that, given sufficient pressure, Jewish behavior can be temporarily redirected into less malign channels.


    There is a disconnect in your behaviour that no one can follow.
     
    Your trouble is, a growing number can follow it quite well.

    Replies: @A123, @dfordoom

    Jews collectively are uniquely pernicious in ways that have been amply cataloged at The Unz Review.

    Any group of people united by common interests, when viewed collectively, will appear to be acting in uniquely pernicious ways. Bankers for instance.

    • Replies: @A123
    @dfordoom


    Any group of people united by common interests, when viewed collectively, will appear to be acting in uniquely pernicious ways. Bankers for instance.
     
    To continue if with your logic:

    There is a huge difference between Investment Bankers [IB] and Jews.

    All Investment Bankers work for IB firms. IB firms are small contingent even among bankers as there are commercial banks, institutional banks, trade banks, and even credit unions. So, jumping from "a statistically significant sample of IB's being pernicious" to "all IB's are pernicious" is perilous overreach, but possibly defensible.

    How many Jews have been investigated on this site? 10? 100? Possibly 1,000? Jumping from "a mathematically insignificant # of Jews" to "all Jews are pernicious" is the mark of anti-scientific, racist thinking. It is not statistically defensible.

    -- Cherry pick a site with an agenda?
    -- Investigate a statistically non-significant number of individuals?

    This leads to a condition known as, "Garbage In. Garbage Out. [GIGO]"

    PEACE 😇
  87. @res
    @dfordoom

    You make some good points, but I have to take issue with this.


    There are also Trump supporters who were and are arguing that the pre-election polling was deliberately fraudulent and that the polls were deliberate lies. I think that’s ridiculously implausible as well.
     
    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect foul play.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect foul play.

    When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect that your polling methodology is at fault.

    It worries me when people’s first impulse is to suspect foul play. That’s just a little bit paranoid.

    • Replies: @res
    @dfordoom


    When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect that your polling methodology is at fault.
     
    That's a reasonable point. How about I amend my earlier statement to the following?

    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction and that bias is not corrected over time it is appropriate to suspect foul play.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  88. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund



    Jews collectively are uniquely pernicious in ways that have been amply cataloged at The Unz Review.
     
    Any group of people united by common interests, when viewed collectively, will appear to be acting in uniquely pernicious ways. Bankers for instance.
     

    Replies: @A123

    Any group of people united by common interests, when viewed collectively, will appear to be acting in uniquely pernicious ways. Bankers for instance.

    To continue if with your logic:

    There is a huge difference between Investment Bankers [IB] and Jews.

    All Investment Bankers work for IB firms. IB firms are small contingent even among bankers as there are commercial banks, institutional banks, trade banks, and even credit unions. So, jumping from “a statistically significant sample of IB’s being pernicious” to “all IB’s are pernicious” is perilous overreach, but possibly defensible.

    How many Jews have been investigated on this site? 10? 100? Possibly 1,000? Jumping from “a mathematically insignificant # of Jews” to “all Jews are pernicious” is the mark of anti-scientific, racist thinking. It is not statistically defensible.

    — Cherry pick a site with an agenda?
    — Investigate a statistically non-significant number of individuals?

    This leads to a condition known as, “Garbage In. Garbage Out. [GIGO]”

    PEACE 😇

  89. @dfordoom
    @res


    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect foul play.
     
    When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect that your polling methodology is at fault.

    It worries me when people's first impulse is to suspect foul play. That's just a little bit paranoid.

    Replies: @res

    When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect that your polling methodology is at fault.

    That’s a reasonable point. How about I amend my earlier statement to the following?

    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction and that bias is not corrected over time it is appropriate to suspect foul play.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @res



    When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect that your polling methodology is at fault.
     
    That’s a reasonable point. How about I amend my earlier statement to the following?

    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction and that bias is not corrected over time it is appropriate to suspect foul play.
     
    I think you're underestimating the infinite human capacity for incompetence and I think you're underestimating the intractability of the weaknesses of opinion polling. I'm not convinced that the systemic weaknesses that cause these errors can be corrected, and I'm certainly not convinced that the pollsters are competent enough to tackle the problems. I suspect that the pollsters are genuinely bewildered that their polls are no longer accurate.

    The one thing the pollsters cannot and will not do is to admit that accurate opinion polling is no longer possible.
  90. @Audacious Epigone
    @DanHessinMD

    A fundamental difference between you and me is that you think the blowing up is avoidable. I maintain the econoclysm is already here, and we're going to really start feeling it soon, before 2022.

    Replies: @Some Guy

    If things blow up, are we better off with the Dems having total control of the federal government?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Some Guy

    If things blow up, the federal government isn't going to be able to hold things together.

  91. @anon
    @nebulafox

    I do not think they ever needed to test their nukes to know they worked.

    Possibly. Or maybe one shot was sufficient confirmation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Very interesting! I don’t see who else it could have been-India already did its test in 1974 and the Khans were still wrangling in Pakistan.

    Still, Israel had the nuclear weapons ready for over a decade by that point and had been developing them for a decade before that, so I doubt the purpose of that test was to prove they worked. It was probably for the benefit of the South Africans, judging by the location. I don’t know much about the apartheid state-and am happy to take input from anybody who does-but I remember that the post-Yom Kippur environment was when cooperation between the regime in Pretoria and Israel was really getting strong.

  92. @A123
    @nebulafox

    ROTFLMAO

    You are 100% wrong on the facts, as usual.

    The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad has nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian religions, other than being an enemy.

    You remind me of a movie character that had only one response to objective facts... Shouting "Inconceivable" . To your brand of persistent and total reality denial there is only one possible response:
     
    https://64.media.tumblr.com/0106785948d21981e897a647ed3eaee2/tumblr_inline_mj4euy6oD31rez6q0.gif
     

    You really should stop your Taqiyya deception, as all you are doing is destroying the tattered remains of your near nonexistent credibility.

    Feel free to continue if you want. We need the comic relief. Remember:

    We are not laughing with you, we are Laughing At You!

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    >The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad

    Are you a 7th Century Roman come back to haunt us?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_of_Jacob

    • Replies: @A123
    @nebulafox

    Nope. I tell simple undeniable truths.

    -- The Anti-Christ Muhammad exists to be in diametric opposition to Christ (a.k.a. Jesus).
    -- Water is diametrically opposite to "Wet"
    -- The Anti-God Allah (a.k.a. Satan/Lucifer) exists in diametric opposition to Christ (a.k.a. Jesus).

    These are basic scientific laws grounded reality. Only the mentally unhinged worshippers of Satan would object to simple TRUTH based on the will of God.

    Thank you for identifying as as a worshipper of Allah/Satan.

    PEACE

  93. @res
    @dfordoom


    When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect that your polling methodology is at fault.
     
    That's a reasonable point. How about I amend my earlier statement to the following?

    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction and that bias is not corrected over time it is appropriate to suspect foul play.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    When the error is always in the same direction it is appropriate to suspect that your polling methodology is at fault.

    That’s a reasonable point. How about I amend my earlier statement to the following?

    The polls have error ranges. When the error is always in the same direction and that bias is not corrected over time it is appropriate to suspect foul play.

    I think you’re underestimating the infinite human capacity for incompetence and I think you’re underestimating the intractability of the weaknesses of opinion polling. I’m not convinced that the systemic weaknesses that cause these errors can be corrected, and I’m certainly not convinced that the pollsters are competent enough to tackle the problems. I suspect that the pollsters are genuinely bewildered that their polls are no longer accurate.

    The one thing the pollsters cannot and will not do is to admit that accurate opinion polling is no longer possible.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  94. @nebulafox
    @A123

    >The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad

    Are you a 7th Century Roman come back to haunt us?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_of_Jacob

    Replies: @A123

    Nope. I tell simple undeniable truths.

    — The Anti-Christ Muhammad exists to be in diametric opposition to Christ (a.k.a. Jesus).
    — Water is diametrically opposite to “Wet”
    — The Anti-God Allah (a.k.a. Satan/Lucifer) exists in diametric opposition to Christ (a.k.a. Jesus).

    These are basic scientific laws grounded reality. Only the mentally unhinged worshippers of Satan would object to simple TRUTH based on the will of God.

    Thank you for identifying as as a worshipper of Allah/Satan.

    PEACE

  95. @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    There is a great deal of deranged anger on UR against Palestinian Jews who have the temerity to live the Jewish homeland of Judea & Samaria. As such, the modern usages expressed by Palestinian Jews and non-Palestinian Muslims appear frequently on the site.
     
    I can only speak for myself, though I suspect that my position is not atypical of the class of persons of which you speak.

    I care little about the state of Israel as such one way or the other, nor about the fortunes of Palestinian Muslims (which are not my problem), but—as the wearing or nonwearing of masks in the U.S., for example—attitudes regarding Israel proxy attitudes in other matters. The hypocrisy that Jews must have an ethnostate while white Gentiles may not have an ethnostate but must fight and die in distant wars to promote the interests of the Jewish ethnostate—such hypocrisy is provocative in the extreme.

    The last paragraph was not precisely rational, but a precisely rational paragraph would have been too long to read. I think that you get my drift.

    Disclosure: I've a son under U.S. arms. Israel is willing to kill him. This is personal to me.

    Replies: @A123, @Twinkie

    The hypocrisy that Jews must have an ethnostate while white Gentiles may not have an ethnostate

    While I share your distaste for hypocrisy, I think there is some confusion here on the terms. Israel is really a religious state. Despite the rather odd situation, in which a majority Israelis are secular, the legal system in Israel that governs citizenship, marriage, etc. is dominated by, and is permeated with, religious authority (e.g. the Chief Rabbinate, etc.). It is an “ethno-state” in the sense that the religious authorities determine who and who are not within the ethnic group, but only based on religious grounds – largely based on specific descent rather than genetics.

    Meanwhile, most white nationalists who desire an ethno-state in the West/European countries seem to want to base citizenship on phenotypical genetics (do they look white?) rather than on descent.

    They can both be imprecisely called ethno-states, but are very different things.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie


    They can both be imprecisely called ethno-states, but are very different things.
     
    You and I have observed before that, while we get along, our interests do not precisely align. It should go without saying that my interest does not involve fantastical schemes to uproot tens of millions of nonwhites from the United States, a feat that would be practically impossible even if it were not inhuman. Besides, I can count: when 55 percent of the births in the United States are to others than European Gentiles, a corner has been turned, so to speak.

    However, I do not think that for me to plead harmless intentions works. Moreover, I dislike pleading. The fact is, the dewhiting of the United States has not been in my interest, any more than the deëthnicizing of any other country would be in the interests of the people that have long resided there. As far as I am concerned, Israel can do what she likes, on whatever theory suits her, if the ethny that is the reason for Israel's existence would cease its endless, pernicious meddling in white countries of European extraction.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie

  96. @A123
    @nebulafox

    ROTFLMAO

    You are 100% wrong on the facts, as usual.

    The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad has nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian religions, other than being an enemy.

    You remind me of a movie character that had only one response to objective facts... Shouting "Inconceivable" . To your brand of persistent and total reality denial there is only one possible response:
     
    https://64.media.tumblr.com/0106785948d21981e897a647ed3eaee2/tumblr_inline_mj4euy6oD31rez6q0.gif
     

    You really should stop your Taqiyya deception, as all you are doing is destroying the tattered remains of your near nonexistent credibility.

    Feel free to continue if you want. We need the comic relief. Remember:

    We are not laughing with you, we are Laughing At You!

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad has nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian religions, other than being an enemy.

    I have no ill will toward patriotic Jewish or Muslim Americans of good will. That said, the phrase “Judeo-Christian” is an early 20th century invention that was designed to be inclusive toward the only non-Christian minority in the United States. Nowadays, a similarly inclusive phrase is “Abrahamic” (faiths), with a nod toward Islam as well. But “Judeo-Christian” is definitionally a term that is, at best, muddy and, at worst, deceptive and incorrect.

    Although Christianity grew out of Judaism, it did so out of Judaism that no longer exists. The Judaism as practiced in most places in the world today long ago transformed and evolved from that Judaism into something different and has more similarities with Islam (itself also something of a later development of a Christian heresy of a sort). In that sense, both modern Judaism and Islam are reactions to Christianity.

    References to “Judeo-Christian” civilization or “Judeo-Christian” values are inaccurate, because Western civilization and Western values are largely the products of medieval and early modern Christianity. Jews or Judaism played very little role in the latter – they only became salient in the West after the 19th century when Jews were emancipated in Europe, by which time the West as such had already congealed as a civilization.

    Invoking “Judeo-Christian” anything these days – when the West appears to be at war with a particular strain of revolutionary Islam (which is also at war with the rest of the Islamic world) – in order to enmesh the West in a wider war with the entire Islamic world is deceptive and only serves the interests of the first component of that term.

    • Disagree: iffen
    • Replies: @A123
    @Twinkie


    That said, the phrase “Judeo-Christian” is an early 20th century invention that was designed to be inclusive toward the only non-Christian minority in the United States. Nowadays, a similarly inclusive phrase is “Abrahamic” (faiths), with a nod toward Islam as well. But “Judeo-Christian” is definitionally a term that is, at best, muddy and, at worst, deceptive and incorrect.
     
    You are allowing yourself to be distracted by short-term considerations. It makes more sense if you start with basics and fundamentals.

    -- The core tenant of Islam is: Jihad, the extermination and subjugation of all Infidels

    -- The term “Abrahamic” faiths is never appropriate as it co-mingles enemies of God (the followers of Lucifer/Allah/Satan) with those who follow God (Jews and Christians).

    -- The term Infidel has negative connotations, and is thus usually unacceptable for self appellation.

    -- The term Judeo-Christian is a highly appropriate & precise term for those who follow God. It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect. It also has positive connotations making it more suitable for self appellation.

    Using the term Judeo-Christian does not favour Jews or Christians. It instead helps maintain the necessary unity of self-defense in the face of an implacable enemy. Only those who favour the sequential extermination of Infidels have something to gain by trying to break the unbreakable bond of God (identified by the term Judeo-Christian).
    ____

    In a related topic, that may clarify the above, there is an identification problem with:

    -- Non-Christian Churches Against God.
    -- Non-Jewish Synagogues Against God.

    Instead of using a broad brush against millions of Jews, I urge you to look more closely at the alignment of individuals. A tiny number of "Non-Jewish Jews" attending "Syangogues Against God" create almost all of the SJW Globalist Elite problems. It makes no sense to blame Jews who believe in God for misbehaviour by "Synagogues Against God". In fact, it blocks cooperation with the potential ally that has the most to gain by stopping the bad actors.

    There is a similar issue with "Non-Christian Christians" like Emmanuel Macron and Mutti Mullah Merkel who serve Satan/Allah/Lucifer and are frequently mis-identified as Christian.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

    , @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    >(itself also something of a later development of a Christian heresy of a sort).

    Judging from the Qu'ran, it was probably a mix of Jewish millenarian ideas ("follow the faith of our father, Abraham The True") with Eastern "heterodox" Chrisitianity. It is also possible that some members of the proto-Islamic community identified as both, whether simultaneously or shifting between them. In 7th Century Arabia, sectarian identity was still fluid and ill-defined in a way it has ceased to be in Rome and Persia during the previous centuries.

    Roman sources from the 630s and 640s do seem to corroborate the notion of the Jews and Arabs as inherently allied in a way that goes beyond the usual anti-Semitic rhetoric. It's not hard to see why: beyond potential mutual identification with Abraham, what remained of the Jewish populace in Palestine collaborated with the invading Sassanid Persian Empire during the final war, in which Jerusalem itself was rather brutally sacked by the Persians. The unexpected Roman victory in 628 meant they were in pretty deep doo-doo with the Roman authorities. So, the Arabs probably were seen as a godsend-literally.

    And while this is just a theory, nothing more, one possible motivation behind the Arab conquests is that they started out exclusively focused on peeling away the Holy Land. Not only was it their "patrimony", it was something they needed to take back before the seemingly imminent apocalypse came. The fact that they ended up with Syria, Egypt, Mesopotamia, etc, wasn't part of the plan: and what led to Islam becoming its own separate faith later down the road.

    (In a time period noted for bubonic plague, war, societal collapse, environmental erosion, and economic depression, it was not irrational to believe the end was at hand. Which is probably why the Qu'ran sounds so apocalyptic.)

  97. @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    The hypocrisy that Jews must have an ethnostate while white Gentiles may not have an ethnostate
     
    While I share your distaste for hypocrisy, I think there is some confusion here on the terms. Israel is really a religious state. Despite the rather odd situation, in which a majority Israelis are secular, the legal system in Israel that governs citizenship, marriage, etc. is dominated by, and is permeated with, religious authority (e.g. the Chief Rabbinate, etc.). It is an "ethno-state" in the sense that the religious authorities determine who and who are not within the ethnic group, but only based on religious grounds - largely based on specific descent rather than genetics.

    Meanwhile, most white nationalists who desire an ethno-state in the West/European countries seem to want to base citizenship on phenotypical genetics (do they look white?) rather than on descent.

    They can both be imprecisely called ethno-states, but are very different things.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    They can both be imprecisely called ethno-states, but are very different things.

    You and I have observed before that, while we get along, our interests do not precisely align. It should go without saying that my interest does not involve fantastical schemes to uproot tens of millions of nonwhites from the United States, a feat that would be practically impossible even if it were not inhuman. Besides, I can count: when 55 percent of the births in the United States are to others than European Gentiles, a corner has been turned, so to speak.

    However, I do not think that for me to plead harmless intentions works. Moreover, I dislike pleading. The fact is, the dewhiting of the United States has not been in my interest, any more than the deëthnicizing of any other country would be in the interests of the people that have long resided there. As far as I am concerned, Israel can do what she likes, on whatever theory suits her, if the ethny that is the reason for Israel’s existence would cease its endless, pernicious meddling in white countries of European extraction.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Sorry, the wording of this phrase of mine was highly inaccurate:


    ... when 55 percent of the births in the United States are to others than European Gentiles ...
     
    I should have said, non-Hispanic European Gentiles, or even non-Hispanic European and British Gentiles (since Britain is not traditionally held by the British to be part of Europe). Like most white nationalists as far as I know, I observe that castizos are assimilable, so the non-Hispanic part of my formulation is not very precise.

    We need a good, short word for the white ethnic amalgamation that, Jews excluded, constituted the nonblack, nonaboriginal population of the United States as recently as 1960. We just used to call them “Americans,” a term that was clearly understood worldwide at the time. Basically, I refer to the large ethnic remnant whose ancestors built this country and that today's Democrats perceive as a threat.

    , @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    The fact is, the dewhiting of the United States has not been in my interest
     
    I am a “civic nationalist,” but I also subscribe to what I call implicit white majoritarianism. As such, I don’t believe that de-whiting of the United States is in my interests or those of my children or even those of most nonwhites.

    So, like I wrote earlier, our interests align enough.

    My critique of accusing Israel of hypocrisy was merely that its supposed “ethno-state” is based on a very different formulation than what normally is defined as such by American white nationalists, so that specific accusation doesn’t work well.

    My personal feeling about Israel in general is more envy than resentment - I wish our Jews were as patriotic to our country as their Jews are to theirs and, moreover, I wish our political elites were at least as patriotic to our country as they - our political elites - are to Israel. I find it treasonous that they grovel to AIPAC for approval.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

  98. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie


    They can both be imprecisely called ethno-states, but are very different things.
     
    You and I have observed before that, while we get along, our interests do not precisely align. It should go without saying that my interest does not involve fantastical schemes to uproot tens of millions of nonwhites from the United States, a feat that would be practically impossible even if it were not inhuman. Besides, I can count: when 55 percent of the births in the United States are to others than European Gentiles, a corner has been turned, so to speak.

    However, I do not think that for me to plead harmless intentions works. Moreover, I dislike pleading. The fact is, the dewhiting of the United States has not been in my interest, any more than the deëthnicizing of any other country would be in the interests of the people that have long resided there. As far as I am concerned, Israel can do what she likes, on whatever theory suits her, if the ethny that is the reason for Israel's existence would cease its endless, pernicious meddling in white countries of European extraction.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie

    Sorry, the wording of this phrase of mine was highly inaccurate:

    … when 55 percent of the births in the United States are to others than European Gentiles …

    I should have said, non-Hispanic European Gentiles, or even non-Hispanic European and British Gentiles (since Britain is not traditionally held by the British to be part of Europe). Like most white nationalists as far as I know, I observe that castizos are assimilable, so the non-Hispanic part of my formulation is not very precise.

    We need a good, short word for the white ethnic amalgamation that, Jews excluded, constituted the nonblack, nonaboriginal population of the United States as recently as 1960. We just used to call them “Americans,” a term that was clearly understood worldwide at the time. Basically, I refer to the large ethnic remnant whose ancestors built this country and that today’s Democrats perceive as a threat.

  99. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie


    They can both be imprecisely called ethno-states, but are very different things.
     
    You and I have observed before that, while we get along, our interests do not precisely align. It should go without saying that my interest does not involve fantastical schemes to uproot tens of millions of nonwhites from the United States, a feat that would be practically impossible even if it were not inhuman. Besides, I can count: when 55 percent of the births in the United States are to others than European Gentiles, a corner has been turned, so to speak.

    However, I do not think that for me to plead harmless intentions works. Moreover, I dislike pleading. The fact is, the dewhiting of the United States has not been in my interest, any more than the deëthnicizing of any other country would be in the interests of the people that have long resided there. As far as I am concerned, Israel can do what she likes, on whatever theory suits her, if the ethny that is the reason for Israel's existence would cease its endless, pernicious meddling in white countries of European extraction.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie

    The fact is, the dewhiting of the United States has not been in my interest

    I am a “civic nationalist,” but I also subscribe to what I call implicit white majoritarianism. As such, I don’t believe that de-whiting of the United States is in my interests or those of my children or even those of most nonwhites.

    So, like I wrote earlier, our interests align enough.

    My critique of accusing Israel of hypocrisy was merely that its supposed “ethno-state” is based on a very different formulation than what normally is defined as such by American white nationalists, so that specific accusation doesn’t work well.

    My personal feeling about Israel in general is more envy than resentment – I wish our Jews were as patriotic to our country as their Jews are to theirs and, moreover, I wish our political elites were at least as patriotic to our country as they – our political elites – are to Israel. I find it treasonous that they grovel to AIPAC for approval.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie


    I am a “civic nationalist,” but I also subscribe to what I call implicit white majoritarianism.
     
    This is all I ask.

    Not that I ask it specifically of you, of course. You and I are just two citizens. What I mean is: I would gladly take the deal you outline or any reasonably near approximation to it. I desire nothing further.
    , @iffen
    @Twinkie

    I also subscribe to what I call implicit white majoritarianism.

    Is it too heavy of a lift for non-whites to act white?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  100. @Twinkie
    @A123


    The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad has nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian religions, other than being an enemy.
     
    I have no ill will toward patriotic Jewish or Muslim Americans of good will. That said, the phrase "Judeo-Christian" is an early 20th century invention that was designed to be inclusive toward the only non-Christian minority in the United States. Nowadays, a similarly inclusive phrase is "Abrahamic" (faiths), with a nod toward Islam as well. But "Judeo-Christian" is definitionally a term that is, at best, muddy and, at worst, deceptive and incorrect.

    Although Christianity grew out of Judaism, it did so out of Judaism that no longer exists. The Judaism as practiced in most places in the world today long ago transformed and evolved from that Judaism into something different and has more similarities with Islam (itself also something of a later development of a Christian heresy of a sort). In that sense, both modern Judaism and Islam are reactions to Christianity.

    References to "Judeo-Christian" civilization or "Judeo-Christian" values are inaccurate, because Western civilization and Western values are largely the products of medieval and early modern Christianity. Jews or Judaism played very little role in the latter - they only became salient in the West after the 19th century when Jews were emancipated in Europe, by which time the West as such had already congealed as a civilization.

    Invoking "Judeo-Christian" anything these days - when the West appears to be at war with a particular strain of revolutionary Islam (which is also at war with the rest of the Islamic world) - in order to enmesh the West in a wider war with the entire Islamic world is deceptive and only serves the interests of the first component of that term.

    Replies: @A123, @nebulafox

    That said, the phrase “Judeo-Christian” is an early 20th century invention that was designed to be inclusive toward the only non-Christian minority in the United States. Nowadays, a similarly inclusive phrase is “Abrahamic” (faiths), with a nod toward Islam as well. But “Judeo-Christian” is definitionally a term that is, at best, muddy and, at worst, deceptive and incorrect.

    You are allowing yourself to be distracted by short-term considerations. It makes more sense if you start with basics and fundamentals.

    — The core tenant of Islam is: Jihad, the extermination and subjugation of all Infidels

    — The term “Abrahamic” faiths is never appropriate as it co-mingles enemies of God (the followers of Lucifer/Allah/Satan) with those who follow God (Jews and Christians).

    — The term Infidel has negative connotations, and is thus usually unacceptable for self appellation.

    — The term Judeo-Christian is a highly appropriate & precise term for those who follow God. It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect. It also has positive connotations making it more suitable for self appellation.

    Using the term Judeo-Christian does not favour Jews or Christians. It instead helps maintain the necessary unity of self-defense in the face of an implacable enemy. Only those who favour the sequential extermination of Infidels have something to gain by trying to break the unbreakable bond of God (identified by the term Judeo-Christian).
    ____

    In a related topic, that may clarify the above, there is an identification problem with:

    — Non-Christian Churches Against God.
    — Non-Jewish Synagogues Against God.

    Instead of using a broad brush against millions of Jews, I urge you to look more closely at the alignment of individuals. A tiny number of “Non-Jewish Jews” attending “Syangogues Against God” create almost all of the SJW Globalist Elite problems. It makes no sense to blame Jews who believe in God for misbehaviour by “Synagogues Against God”. In fact, it blocks cooperation with the potential ally that has the most to gain by stopping the bad actors.

    There is a similar issue with “Non-Christian Christians” like Emmanuel Macron and Mutti Mullah Merkel who serve Satan/Allah/Lucifer and are frequently mis-identified as Christian.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @anon
    @A123

    The term Judeo-Christian is a highly appropriate & precise term for those who follow God.

    No.

    It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect.

    It is exactly deceptive, muddy and incorrect.

    It also has positive connotations making it more suitable for self appellation.

    Only to the very ignorant.

    I restate a previous comment:

    “Judeo-Christian” is fake. It was made up sometime in the last 80 years. The term is nowhere found in the New Testament, it does not exist in any early Christian writings, Augustine of Hippo wrote nothing of the sort nor did Thomas Aquinas.

    “Judeo-Christian” is obviously nowhere to be found in the writings of Martin Luther, nor is it anywhere in John Calvin’s corpus. No English Puritan or Dutch Reformed writer used it. “Judeo-Christian” is not found in the writings of the counter-Reformation.

    It can’t be found in 18th or 19th century works either. Charles Wesley never wrote such a term, nor did Spurgeon or any other man of the church in the Anglosphere or on the European continent. Even in the error-ridden writings of the 19th century Dispensationalist Christians one cannot find “Judeo-Christian”.

    There is no book from the first half of the 20th century entitled “Mere Judeo-Christianity”; search the writings of Roman Catholics, Church of England and the various Protestant denominations from 1900 through 1930 – you will not find that term. Not in Belloc, not in Chesterton, not in Machen.

    It is a term that does not illuminate, but rather obfuscates. It is a cloud of smoke intended to blur the vision. A fake term that probably can be followed to 1948 or perhaps earlier, coined by someone seeking to hide facts rather than reveal anything.

    Like “melting pot” and “golden door” and “nation of immigrants”, “Judeo-Christian” is a kind of incantation that serves to fool and confuse some people, in order to advantage other people.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @A123

    It seems gratuitous to keep explicitly treating "Allah" and "Lucifer" as synonyms. The readership has a handle on where you're coming from. Would you mind cutting it out?

    Replies: @A123

  101. anon[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123
    @Twinkie


    That said, the phrase “Judeo-Christian” is an early 20th century invention that was designed to be inclusive toward the only non-Christian minority in the United States. Nowadays, a similarly inclusive phrase is “Abrahamic” (faiths), with a nod toward Islam as well. But “Judeo-Christian” is definitionally a term that is, at best, muddy and, at worst, deceptive and incorrect.
     
    You are allowing yourself to be distracted by short-term considerations. It makes more sense if you start with basics and fundamentals.

    -- The core tenant of Islam is: Jihad, the extermination and subjugation of all Infidels

    -- The term “Abrahamic” faiths is never appropriate as it co-mingles enemies of God (the followers of Lucifer/Allah/Satan) with those who follow God (Jews and Christians).

    -- The term Infidel has negative connotations, and is thus usually unacceptable for self appellation.

    -- The term Judeo-Christian is a highly appropriate & precise term for those who follow God. It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect. It also has positive connotations making it more suitable for self appellation.

    Using the term Judeo-Christian does not favour Jews or Christians. It instead helps maintain the necessary unity of self-defense in the face of an implacable enemy. Only those who favour the sequential extermination of Infidels have something to gain by trying to break the unbreakable bond of God (identified by the term Judeo-Christian).
    ____

    In a related topic, that may clarify the above, there is an identification problem with:

    -- Non-Christian Churches Against God.
    -- Non-Jewish Synagogues Against God.

    Instead of using a broad brush against millions of Jews, I urge you to look more closely at the alignment of individuals. A tiny number of "Non-Jewish Jews" attending "Syangogues Against God" create almost all of the SJW Globalist Elite problems. It makes no sense to blame Jews who believe in God for misbehaviour by "Synagogues Against God". In fact, it blocks cooperation with the potential ally that has the most to gain by stopping the bad actors.

    There is a similar issue with "Non-Christian Christians" like Emmanuel Macron and Mutti Mullah Merkel who serve Satan/Allah/Lucifer and are frequently mis-identified as Christian.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

    The term Judeo-Christian is a highly appropriate & precise term for those who follow God.

    No.

    It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect.

    It is exactly deceptive, muddy and incorrect.

    It also has positive connotations making it more suitable for self appellation.

    Only to the very ignorant.

    I restate a previous comment:

    “Judeo-Christian” is fake. It was made up sometime in the last 80 years. The term is nowhere found in the New Testament, it does not exist in any early Christian writings, Augustine of Hippo wrote nothing of the sort nor did Thomas Aquinas.

    “Judeo-Christian” is obviously nowhere to be found in the writings of Martin Luther, nor is it anywhere in John Calvin’s corpus. No English Puritan or Dutch Reformed writer used it. “Judeo-Christian” is not found in the writings of the counter-Reformation.

    It can’t be found in 18th or 19th century works either. Charles Wesley never wrote such a term, nor did Spurgeon or any other man of the church in the Anglosphere or on the European continent. Even in the error-ridden writings of the 19th century Dispensationalist Christians one cannot find “Judeo-Christian”.

    There is no book from the first half of the 20th century entitled “Mere Judeo-Christianity”; search the writings of Roman Catholics, Church of England and the various Protestant denominations from 1900 through 1930 – you will not find that term. Not in Belloc, not in Chesterton, not in Machen.

    It is a term that does not illuminate, but rather obfuscates. It is a cloud of smoke intended to blur the vision. A fake term that probably can be followed to 1948 or perhaps earlier, coined by someone seeking to hide facts rather than reveal anything.

    Like “melting pot” and “golden door” and “nation of immigrants”, “Judeo-Christian” is a kind of incantation that serves to fool and confuse some people, in order to advantage other people.

    • Replies: @A123
    @anon



    The term Judeo-Christian is a highly appropriate & precise term for those who follow God.
     
    No.
     
    Yes.


    It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect.

     

    It is exactly deceptive, muddy and incorrect.
     
    It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect.


    It also has positive connotations making it more suitable for self appellation.
     
    Only to the very ignorant.
     
    Only those who fear the term's accuracy, object to this positive self appellation. Most notably, ignorant Muslims as it works against their covenant of Jihad.

    I restate a previous comment:
     
    None of which is relevant.

    -- Yes. The term does not appear in the New Testament as originally written primarily in Aramaic, Hebrew, and Latin. Those languages are not known for heavy use of hyphenation.
    -- Yes. The term entered common usage within the past 100 years.

    There many, many, other modern English language words that:
    -- Did not appear in the New Testament.
    -- Entered common usage within the past 100 years.

    You would be unable to communicate if you refused to use all words that came into usage within the past 100 years. You would be unable to discuss an Internet blog without "internet" and "blog".

    Only those who have non-fact based prejudices and a desire to divide Jews & Christians object to the simple, accurate, fact based term Judeo-Christian that conveys the inseparability of Jews & Christians that benefits both Jews & Christians.

    PEACE 😇
  102. @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    The fact is, the dewhiting of the United States has not been in my interest
     
    I am a “civic nationalist,” but I also subscribe to what I call implicit white majoritarianism. As such, I don’t believe that de-whiting of the United States is in my interests or those of my children or even those of most nonwhites.

    So, like I wrote earlier, our interests align enough.

    My critique of accusing Israel of hypocrisy was merely that its supposed “ethno-state” is based on a very different formulation than what normally is defined as such by American white nationalists, so that specific accusation doesn’t work well.

    My personal feeling about Israel in general is more envy than resentment - I wish our Jews were as patriotic to our country as their Jews are to theirs and, moreover, I wish our political elites were at least as patriotic to our country as they - our political elites - are to Israel. I find it treasonous that they grovel to AIPAC for approval.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

    I am a “civic nationalist,” but I also subscribe to what I call implicit white majoritarianism.

    This is all I ask.

    Not that I ask it specifically of you, of course. You and I are just two citizens. What I mean is: I would gladly take the deal you outline or any reasonably near approximation to it. I desire nothing further.

  103. @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    The fact is, the dewhiting of the United States has not been in my interest
     
    I am a “civic nationalist,” but I also subscribe to what I call implicit white majoritarianism. As such, I don’t believe that de-whiting of the United States is in my interests or those of my children or even those of most nonwhites.

    So, like I wrote earlier, our interests align enough.

    My critique of accusing Israel of hypocrisy was merely that its supposed “ethno-state” is based on a very different formulation than what normally is defined as such by American white nationalists, so that specific accusation doesn’t work well.

    My personal feeling about Israel in general is more envy than resentment - I wish our Jews were as patriotic to our country as their Jews are to theirs and, moreover, I wish our political elites were at least as patriotic to our country as they - our political elites - are to Israel. I find it treasonous that they grovel to AIPAC for approval.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

    I also subscribe to what I call implicit white majoritarianism.

    Is it too heavy of a lift for non-whites to act white?

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    Is it too heavy of a lift for non-whites to act white?
     
    Yes. Why should they? They're not white.

    I expect them simply to be who they are. I prefer most of them, most of the time, to do it somewhere other than where I live.

    See Kipling's “The Stranger.”

    Replies: @iffen

  104. @iffen
    @Twinkie

    I also subscribe to what I call implicit white majoritarianism.

    Is it too heavy of a lift for non-whites to act white?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    Is it too heavy of a lift for non-whites to act white?

    Yes. Why should they? They’re not white.

    I expect them simply to be who they are. I prefer most of them, most of the time, to do it somewhere other than where I live.

    See Kipling’s “The Stranger.”

    • Replies: @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    The implication of Twinkie and your more obvious comments is that when "we" are a minority then this won't be America any longer. That is, racial differences are paramount and cannot be bridged. I disagree. Although much of what I value, let's call it Western Civilization, was developed by "white" people, many non-whites made contributions. The idea that non-whites can't do Western Civilization is not valid.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

  105. @anon
    @A123

    The term Judeo-Christian is a highly appropriate & precise term for those who follow God.

    No.

    It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect.

    It is exactly deceptive, muddy and incorrect.

    It also has positive connotations making it more suitable for self appellation.

    Only to the very ignorant.

    I restate a previous comment:

    “Judeo-Christian” is fake. It was made up sometime in the last 80 years. The term is nowhere found in the New Testament, it does not exist in any early Christian writings, Augustine of Hippo wrote nothing of the sort nor did Thomas Aquinas.

    “Judeo-Christian” is obviously nowhere to be found in the writings of Martin Luther, nor is it anywhere in John Calvin’s corpus. No English Puritan or Dutch Reformed writer used it. “Judeo-Christian” is not found in the writings of the counter-Reformation.

    It can’t be found in 18th or 19th century works either. Charles Wesley never wrote such a term, nor did Spurgeon or any other man of the church in the Anglosphere or on the European continent. Even in the error-ridden writings of the 19th century Dispensationalist Christians one cannot find “Judeo-Christian”.

    There is no book from the first half of the 20th century entitled “Mere Judeo-Christianity”; search the writings of Roman Catholics, Church of England and the various Protestant denominations from 1900 through 1930 – you will not find that term. Not in Belloc, not in Chesterton, not in Machen.

    It is a term that does not illuminate, but rather obfuscates. It is a cloud of smoke intended to blur the vision. A fake term that probably can be followed to 1948 or perhaps earlier, coined by someone seeking to hide facts rather than reveal anything.

    Like “melting pot” and “golden door” and “nation of immigrants”, “Judeo-Christian” is a kind of incantation that serves to fool and confuse some people, in order to advantage other people.

    Replies: @A123

    The term Judeo-Christian is a highly appropriate & precise term for those who follow God.

    No.

    Yes.

    It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect.

    It is exactly deceptive, muddy and incorrect.

    It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect.

    It also has positive connotations making it more suitable for self appellation.

    Only to the very ignorant.

    Only those who fear the term’s accuracy, object to this positive self appellation. Most notably, ignorant Muslims as it works against their covenant of Jihad.

    I restate a previous comment:

    None of which is relevant.

    — Yes. The term does not appear in the New Testament as originally written primarily in Aramaic, Hebrew, and Latin. Those languages are not known for heavy use of hyphenation.
    — Yes. The term entered common usage within the past 100 years.

    There many, many, other modern English language words that:
    — Did not appear in the New Testament.
    — Entered common usage within the past 100 years.

    You would be unable to communicate if you refused to use all words that came into usage within the past 100 years. You would be unable to discuss an Internet blog without “internet” and “blog”.

    Only those who have non-fact based prejudices and a desire to divide Jews & Christians object to the simple, accurate, fact based term Judeo-Christian that conveys the inseparability of Jews & Christians that benefits both Jews & Christians.

    PEACE 😇

  106. @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    Is it too heavy of a lift for non-whites to act white?
     
    Yes. Why should they? They're not white.

    I expect them simply to be who they are. I prefer most of them, most of the time, to do it somewhere other than where I live.

    See Kipling's “The Stranger.”

    Replies: @iffen

    The implication of Twinkie and your more obvious comments is that when “we” are a minority then this won’t be America any longer. That is, racial differences are paramount and cannot be bridged. I disagree. Although much of what I value, let’s call it Western Civilization, was developed by “white” people, many non-whites made contributions. The idea that non-whites can’t do Western Civilization is not valid.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @iffen

    I agree with Mr. Derbyshire on this: a little bit of salt can make the soup tasty and blends into, and becomes, the soup, but too much salt ruins the soup.

    Sure, theoretically, I suppose, non-European-descended can do Western civilization. It’s not impossible. But in reality, for that to happen, there has to be a lengthy period of assimilation, both genetically and culturally. But such assimilation can’t and won’t happen when the ruling ideology is multiculturalism or minoritarianism. Even if the host society were insistent, it would be difficult when the influx is too much, too quickly... which is why, as an assimilationist, I advocate immigration restriction and implicit white majoritarianism.

    Singapore is a very good example of a multi-ethnic society that works. Why? Because one ethnic group is in charge and is fair to the others while the others follow the rules and values of the core group. It’s the same with the United States - it would be a better, more generous and just country, if the white majority were secure, confident, and prosperous. And that would be better for nonwhites as well, except for a handful of racial grievance hustlers.

    Replies: @iffen, @RSDB

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    The idea that non-whites can’t do Western Civilization is not valid.
     
    It is indeed valid, but suppose that it were not. Why should I care?

    European whites accounted for 30 percent of births worldwide in 1900. On present trend, 3 percent by 2100.

    I think that you are a good man, but confused. European whites are going extinct.

    To disrupt this trend is more important to me than preserving my own life. What you do is up to you, but I would pay any price.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @iffen, @Twinkie

    , @dfordoom
    @iffen


    Although much of what I value, let’s call it Western Civilization, was developed by “white” people, many non-whites made contributions. The idea that non-whites can’t do Western Civilization is not valid.
     
    When you look at Western Civilisation today you have to ask yourself - can white people do Western Civilisation?
  107. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    The implication of Twinkie and your more obvious comments is that when "we" are a minority then this won't be America any longer. That is, racial differences are paramount and cannot be bridged. I disagree. Although much of what I value, let's call it Western Civilization, was developed by "white" people, many non-whites made contributions. The idea that non-whites can't do Western Civilization is not valid.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

    I agree with Mr. Derbyshire on this: a little bit of salt can make the soup tasty and blends into, and becomes, the soup, but too much salt ruins the soup.

    Sure, theoretically, I suppose, non-European-descended can do Western civilization. It’s not impossible. But in reality, for that to happen, there has to be a lengthy period of assimilation, both genetically and culturally. But such assimilation can’t and won’t happen when the ruling ideology is multiculturalism or minoritarianism. Even if the host society were insistent, it would be difficult when the influx is too much, too quickly… which is why, as an assimilationist, I advocate immigration restriction and implicit white majoritarianism.

    Singapore is a very good example of a multi-ethnic society that works. Why? Because one ethnic group is in charge and is fair to the others while the others follow the rules and values of the core group. It’s the same with the United States – it would be a better, more generous and just country, if the white majority were secure, confident, and prosperous. And that would be better for nonwhites as well, except for a handful of racial grievance hustlers.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Twinkie

    I like soup as well. In particular, I like homemade vegetable beef made with fresh vegetables, canned vegetables, frozen vegetables, that little frozen serving of the last batch of soup, left-over ground chuck, left over tip roast, some freshly prepared stew meat, frozen tomatoes from this year's garden, store-bought tomato juice, and last, but not least, a few pieces of old time country cured ham to add flavor and salt.

    As you have pointed out before "the problem" is the political and ideological craziness of a big chunk of white people, and their political manipulation of non-whites in their war on the "other whites". We would still have the Puritan problem even if we didn't have more POC than you can shake a stick at.

    I am down with an immigration hiatus, but not because I oppose letting more non-whites emigrate. I oppose it because we need a respite from as many complications as possible in order to get our economic and political house in order.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    , @RSDB
    @Twinkie


    I agree with Mr. Derbyshire on this: a little bit of salt can make the soup tasty and blends into, and becomes, the soup, but too much salt ruins the soup.

     


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk_wVO7NBMQ

    The Parsis have a similar story regarding sugar and milk.

    ...


    It seems strange to discuss assimilation on this blog when we are constantly talking about separation between hostile cultural and ideological factions of current Americans. Which faction are the "nonwhites" supposed to assimilate to?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen, @A123, @nebulafox

  108. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    The implication of Twinkie and your more obvious comments is that when "we" are a minority then this won't be America any longer. That is, racial differences are paramount and cannot be bridged. I disagree. Although much of what I value, let's call it Western Civilization, was developed by "white" people, many non-whites made contributions. The idea that non-whites can't do Western Civilization is not valid.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

    The idea that non-whites can’t do Western Civilization is not valid.

    It is indeed valid, but suppose that it were not. Why should I care?

    European whites accounted for 30 percent of births worldwide in 1900. On present trend, 3 percent by 2100.

    I think that you are a good man, but confused. European whites are going extinct.

    To disrupt this trend is more important to me than preserving my own life. What you do is up to you, but I would pay any price.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    European whites are going extinct.
     
    So are East Asians. Many East Asian countries have fertility rates way below extinction level. South Korea for example.

    The modern developed world is a death cult.

    It's not a racial issue. We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility and we have to figure out what we can do about it. The first thing we have to do is to accept that this is a voluntary extinction event.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

    , @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I think that you are a good man, but confused.

    ditto

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    , @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Some more graphs for thought:

    https://hailtoyou.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/fertility19802013_b.png

    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/hua_hsu/cohen_fertility2.jpg

    By the way, South Korea set a new record last year - its average fertility dropped to 0.92 lifetime birth per woman. That’s right - not even 1 child.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  109. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    The implication of Twinkie and your more obvious comments is that when "we" are a minority then this won't be America any longer. That is, racial differences are paramount and cannot be bridged. I disagree. Although much of what I value, let's call it Western Civilization, was developed by "white" people, many non-whites made contributions. The idea that non-whites can't do Western Civilization is not valid.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

    Although much of what I value, let’s call it Western Civilization, was developed by “white” people, many non-whites made contributions. The idea that non-whites can’t do Western Civilization is not valid.

    When you look at Western Civilisation today you have to ask yourself – can white people do Western Civilisation?

  110. @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    The idea that non-whites can’t do Western Civilization is not valid.
     
    It is indeed valid, but suppose that it were not. Why should I care?

    European whites accounted for 30 percent of births worldwide in 1900. On present trend, 3 percent by 2100.

    I think that you are a good man, but confused. European whites are going extinct.

    To disrupt this trend is more important to me than preserving my own life. What you do is up to you, but I would pay any price.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @iffen, @Twinkie

    European whites are going extinct.

    So are East Asians. Many East Asian countries have fertility rates way below extinction level. South Korea for example.

    The modern developed world is a death cult.

    It’s not a racial issue. We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility and we have to figure out what we can do about it. The first thing we have to do is to accept that this is a voluntary extinction event.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom


    The first thing we have to do is to accept that this is a voluntary extinction event.
     
    Great! I accept. Sign me up.

    My wife and I tried for eight children. Miscarriages and physiological limitations left us with five. I question no other particular couple's decisions or circumstances, for I've not walked in their shoes; but we did our part.

    , @iffen
    @dfordoom

    We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility

    "It's the economy, stupid."

    Replies: @dfordoom

  111. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    European whites are going extinct.
     
    So are East Asians. Many East Asian countries have fertility rates way below extinction level. South Korea for example.

    The modern developed world is a death cult.

    It's not a racial issue. We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility and we have to figure out what we can do about it. The first thing we have to do is to accept that this is a voluntary extinction event.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

    The first thing we have to do is to accept that this is a voluntary extinction event.

    Great! I accept. Sign me up.

    My wife and I tried for eight children. Miscarriages and physiological limitations left us with five. I question no other particular couple’s decisions or circumstances, for I’ve not walked in their shoes; but we did our part.

  112. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    European whites are going extinct.
     
    So are East Asians. Many East Asian countries have fertility rates way below extinction level. South Korea for example.

    The modern developed world is a death cult.

    It's not a racial issue. We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility and we have to figure out what we can do about it. The first thing we have to do is to accept that this is a voluntary extinction event.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

    We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility

    “It’s the economy, stupid.”

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @iffen



    We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility
     
    “It’s the economy, stupid.”
     
    You'll have to explain that comment a bit more fully.

    Replies: @iffen

  113. @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    The idea that non-whites can’t do Western Civilization is not valid.
     
    It is indeed valid, but suppose that it were not. Why should I care?

    European whites accounted for 30 percent of births worldwide in 1900. On present trend, 3 percent by 2100.

    I think that you are a good man, but confused. European whites are going extinct.

    To disrupt this trend is more important to me than preserving my own life. What you do is up to you, but I would pay any price.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @iffen, @Twinkie

    I think that you are a good man, but confused.

    ditto

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen

    I hate losing the contest for pith. Yet again.


    ditto
     
    Fine style, sir.
  114. @Twinkie
    @iffen

    I agree with Mr. Derbyshire on this: a little bit of salt can make the soup tasty and blends into, and becomes, the soup, but too much salt ruins the soup.

    Sure, theoretically, I suppose, non-European-descended can do Western civilization. It’s not impossible. But in reality, for that to happen, there has to be a lengthy period of assimilation, both genetically and culturally. But such assimilation can’t and won’t happen when the ruling ideology is multiculturalism or minoritarianism. Even if the host society were insistent, it would be difficult when the influx is too much, too quickly... which is why, as an assimilationist, I advocate immigration restriction and implicit white majoritarianism.

    Singapore is a very good example of a multi-ethnic society that works. Why? Because one ethnic group is in charge and is fair to the others while the others follow the rules and values of the core group. It’s the same with the United States - it would be a better, more generous and just country, if the white majority were secure, confident, and prosperous. And that would be better for nonwhites as well, except for a handful of racial grievance hustlers.

    Replies: @iffen, @RSDB

    I like soup as well. In particular, I like homemade vegetable beef made with fresh vegetables, canned vegetables, frozen vegetables, that little frozen serving of the last batch of soup, left-over ground chuck, left over tip roast, some freshly prepared stew meat, frozen tomatoes from this year’s garden, store-bought tomato juice, and last, but not least, a few pieces of old time country cured ham to add flavor and salt.

    As you have pointed out before “the problem” is the political and ideological craziness of a big chunk of white people, and their political manipulation of non-whites in their war on the “other whites”. We would still have the Puritan problem even if we didn’t have more POC than you can shake a stick at.

    I am down with an immigration hiatus, but not because I oppose letting more non-whites emigrate. I oppose it because we need a respite from as many complications as possible in order to get our economic and political house in order.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @iffen

    Let's see... increasing amounts of Americans are finding themselves underemployed or out of the job market altogether. In a time period where long-term unemployment increasingly means you are de-facto negatively impacted for life. Whenever I've talked to people who haven't ever been long-term unemployed, they don't seem to quite get it: in the 21st Century, where you can't get catch a Greyhound out of town and start over somewhere where nobody knows you or your history, it can become the economic equivalent to being crippled or maimed for life. And the pandemic is now ensuring that this happens to millions more Americans. Did I also mention that you won't have health insurance during that pandemic?

    You'll be desperate. They want you to be desperate. Dependent. Otherwise, our elite's answer to this question would not be:

    "I know, I know! Let's import tens of millions of low-skilled laborers! while berating anybody who objects as a Racist."

    And as we all know, being a Racist is the most horrible, terrible thing you can be. Worse than being a child molester or a serial killer.

    So, yeah: they suck. And that's *before* you get to the fun consequences of playing games with demographic change for pseudo-religious reasons at a time of peak socioeconomic and structural rot.

    Replies: @iffen

    , @dfordoom
    @iffen


    As you have pointed out before “the problem” is the political and ideological craziness of a big chunk of white people, and their political manipulation of non-whites in their war on the “other whites”.
     
    I agree, although it goes beyond mere craziness. There's a lot of self-interest as well. A lot of greed and a hunger for power. Also quite a bit of fear - what happens if the Have-Nots ever figure out how badly they're being screwed by the Haves.

    We would still have the Puritan problem even if we didn’t have more POC than you can shake a stick at.
     
    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation. They have to go back.

    We need an equivalent of the triple parentheses to easily identify Puritans. Maybe we could call them [[[Puritans]]], or {{{Puritans}}}.

    Replies: @Talha, @iffen

  115. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I think that you are a good man, but confused.

    ditto

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    I hate losing the contest for pith. Yet again.

    ditto

    Fine style, sir.

  116. @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    The idea that non-whites can’t do Western Civilization is not valid.
     
    It is indeed valid, but suppose that it were not. Why should I care?

    European whites accounted for 30 percent of births worldwide in 1900. On present trend, 3 percent by 2100.

    I think that you are a good man, but confused. European whites are going extinct.

    To disrupt this trend is more important to me than preserving my own life. What you do is up to you, but I would pay any price.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @iffen, @Twinkie

    Some more graphs for thought:

    By the way, South Korea set a new record last year – its average fertility dropped to 0.92 lifetime birth per woman. That’s right – not even 1 child.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    By the way, South Korea set a new record last year – its average fertility dropped to 0.92 lifetime birth per woman. That’s right – not even 1 child.
     
    That's not just extinction level. That's racing towards extinction.

    By the end of the century the only place you'll be able to find Koreans will be North Korea.

    So is it selfishness among younger Koreans, or self-hatred, or what?

    Replies: @Twinkie

  117. @Twinkie
    @A123


    The blood cult of the Anti-Christ Muhammad has nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian religions, other than being an enemy.
     
    I have no ill will toward patriotic Jewish or Muslim Americans of good will. That said, the phrase "Judeo-Christian" is an early 20th century invention that was designed to be inclusive toward the only non-Christian minority in the United States. Nowadays, a similarly inclusive phrase is "Abrahamic" (faiths), with a nod toward Islam as well. But "Judeo-Christian" is definitionally a term that is, at best, muddy and, at worst, deceptive and incorrect.

    Although Christianity grew out of Judaism, it did so out of Judaism that no longer exists. The Judaism as practiced in most places in the world today long ago transformed and evolved from that Judaism into something different and has more similarities with Islam (itself also something of a later development of a Christian heresy of a sort). In that sense, both modern Judaism and Islam are reactions to Christianity.

    References to "Judeo-Christian" civilization or "Judeo-Christian" values are inaccurate, because Western civilization and Western values are largely the products of medieval and early modern Christianity. Jews or Judaism played very little role in the latter - they only became salient in the West after the 19th century when Jews were emancipated in Europe, by which time the West as such had already congealed as a civilization.

    Invoking "Judeo-Christian" anything these days - when the West appears to be at war with a particular strain of revolutionary Islam (which is also at war with the rest of the Islamic world) - in order to enmesh the West in a wider war with the entire Islamic world is deceptive and only serves the interests of the first component of that term.

    Replies: @A123, @nebulafox

    >(itself also something of a later development of a Christian heresy of a sort).

    Judging from the Qu’ran, it was probably a mix of Jewish millenarian ideas (“follow the faith of our father, Abraham The True”) with Eastern “heterodox” Chrisitianity. It is also possible that some members of the proto-Islamic community identified as both, whether simultaneously or shifting between them. In 7th Century Arabia, sectarian identity was still fluid and ill-defined in a way it has ceased to be in Rome and Persia during the previous centuries.

    Roman sources from the 630s and 640s do seem to corroborate the notion of the Jews and Arabs as inherently allied in a way that goes beyond the usual anti-Semitic rhetoric. It’s not hard to see why: beyond potential mutual identification with Abraham, what remained of the Jewish populace in Palestine collaborated with the invading Sassanid Persian Empire during the final war, in which Jerusalem itself was rather brutally sacked by the Persians. The unexpected Roman victory in 628 meant they were in pretty deep doo-doo with the Roman authorities. So, the Arabs probably were seen as a godsend-literally.

    And while this is just a theory, nothing more, one possible motivation behind the Arab conquests is that they started out exclusively focused on peeling away the Holy Land. Not only was it their “patrimony”, it was something they needed to take back before the seemingly imminent apocalypse came. The fact that they ended up with Syria, Egypt, Mesopotamia, etc, wasn’t part of the plan: and what led to Islam becoming its own separate faith later down the road.

    (In a time period noted for bubonic plague, war, societal collapse, environmental erosion, and economic depression, it was not irrational to believe the end was at hand. Which is probably why the Qu’ran sounds so apocalyptic.)

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  118. @iffen
    @Twinkie

    I like soup as well. In particular, I like homemade vegetable beef made with fresh vegetables, canned vegetables, frozen vegetables, that little frozen serving of the last batch of soup, left-over ground chuck, left over tip roast, some freshly prepared stew meat, frozen tomatoes from this year's garden, store-bought tomato juice, and last, but not least, a few pieces of old time country cured ham to add flavor and salt.

    As you have pointed out before "the problem" is the political and ideological craziness of a big chunk of white people, and their political manipulation of non-whites in their war on the "other whites". We would still have the Puritan problem even if we didn't have more POC than you can shake a stick at.

    I am down with an immigration hiatus, but not because I oppose letting more non-whites emigrate. I oppose it because we need a respite from as many complications as possible in order to get our economic and political house in order.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    Let’s see… increasing amounts of Americans are finding themselves underemployed or out of the job market altogether. In a time period where long-term unemployment increasingly means you are de-facto negatively impacted for life. Whenever I’ve talked to people who haven’t ever been long-term unemployed, they don’t seem to quite get it: in the 21st Century, where you can’t get catch a Greyhound out of town and start over somewhere where nobody knows you or your history, it can become the economic equivalent to being crippled or maimed for life. And the pandemic is now ensuring that this happens to millions more Americans. Did I also mention that you won’t have health insurance during that pandemic?

    You’ll be desperate. They want you to be desperate. Dependent. Otherwise, our elite’s answer to this question would not be:

    “I know, I know! Let’s import tens of millions of low-skilled laborers! while berating anybody who objects as a Racist.”

    And as we all know, being a Racist is the most horrible, terrible thing you can be. Worse than being a child molester or a serial killer.

    So, yeah: they suck. And that’s *before* you get to the fun consequences of playing games with demographic change for pseudo-religious reasons at a time of peak socioeconomic and structural rot.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @iffen
    @nebulafox

    where you can’t get catch a Greyhound out of town and start over somewhere

    No, no!

    Don't you read NR?

    Anybody can catch a Greyhound to the land of milk and honey, jump out and start coding at $30 an hour.

  119. @Twinkie
    @iffen

    I agree with Mr. Derbyshire on this: a little bit of salt can make the soup tasty and blends into, and becomes, the soup, but too much salt ruins the soup.

    Sure, theoretically, I suppose, non-European-descended can do Western civilization. It’s not impossible. But in reality, for that to happen, there has to be a lengthy period of assimilation, both genetically and culturally. But such assimilation can’t and won’t happen when the ruling ideology is multiculturalism or minoritarianism. Even if the host society were insistent, it would be difficult when the influx is too much, too quickly... which is why, as an assimilationist, I advocate immigration restriction and implicit white majoritarianism.

    Singapore is a very good example of a multi-ethnic society that works. Why? Because one ethnic group is in charge and is fair to the others while the others follow the rules and values of the core group. It’s the same with the United States - it would be a better, more generous and just country, if the white majority were secure, confident, and prosperous. And that would be better for nonwhites as well, except for a handful of racial grievance hustlers.

    Replies: @iffen, @RSDB

    I agree with Mr. Derbyshire on this: a little bit of salt can make the soup tasty and blends into, and becomes, the soup, but too much salt ruins the soup.

    [MORE]

    The Parsis have a similar story regarding sugar and milk.

    It seems strange to discuss assimilation on this blog when we are constantly talking about separation between hostile cultural and ideological factions of current Americans. Which faction are the “nonwhites” supposed to assimilate to?

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @RSDB


    Which faction are the “nonwhites” supposed to assimilate to?
     
    This is a very good question. Neither seems very appealing, does it?

    Under the circumstance, each of the various nonwhite ethnies in the U.S. will probably have to answer the question for itself—which brings up another point: too many U.S. whites keep assuming (even if they do not realize that they are assuming it) that U.S. nonwhites lacked agency.

    Each of those nonwhite ethnies will make its own decisions for its own reasons. Except for blacks, they're not stupid. Whites can and should avoid unnecessarily egregious exacerbation of the situation but, otherwise, whites have far less influence in the matter than they would like to think that they have. That is just how it is going to be.

    Whites Gentiles would be well advised to be good neighbors but otherwise to look out chiefly for their own interests.

    , @iffen
    @RSDB

    Which faction are the “nonwhites” supposed to assimilate to?


    Good question.

    Twinkie frequently comments on assimilation, but I get the impression that he thinks that they can be counted as assimilated only if they conform to UMC standards and norms.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @A123
    @RSDB


    Which faction are the “nonwhites” supposed to assimilate to?
     
    I have to disagree with an assumption baked into the question. There is no reason to believe that "one faction" is a workable or likely outcome. Non-white groups are in natural opposition to each other. For example:

    -- Low-skilled Americans (often black) -- Need U.S. Jobs
    -- Illegals (rarely white) -- Want to import people to fill those Jobs
    -- Han Exploiters (Team Wang Fang Fang) -- Want to move those Jobs to China

    Because the U.S. is a two-party system, the path to success is building a coalition that works to 51%+. White Judeo-Christians and Hispanic Anti-Communists (e.g. Venezuelan and Cuban) presents they most obvious potential for the Populist GOP.

    All racists, including anti-Semites, are allocated to the SJW Globalist DNC where they can fight with each other for pigment based supremacy.

    PEACE 😇

    , @nebulafox
    @RSDB

    The whole argument about immigration shows elite tendency to transform what should be arguments about policy to arguments about morality. This must be rejected by the masses for the cynical scam it is. The gauzy, nagging egalitarianism forced down our throats has led to a corrupt geronotocracy, so why bother with what they claim about fairness? What can we do to fix something or what is the purpose of this institution are the questions that politicians should be forced to answer. That is the job of a politician, not to create philosophy or muse on culture or carry out ideological nonsense.

    Immigration is not SUPPOSED to be about anything other than the national interests of the host country, end of story. Neither is health care or foreign policy or taxes or trade, for that matter. It is the job of the government to serve the citizens it has authority over, and if it fails to do so, personnel and sometimes institutional replacement is in order.

  120. @RSDB
    @Twinkie


    I agree with Mr. Derbyshire on this: a little bit of salt can make the soup tasty and blends into, and becomes, the soup, but too much salt ruins the soup.

     


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk_wVO7NBMQ

    The Parsis have a similar story regarding sugar and milk.

    ...


    It seems strange to discuss assimilation on this blog when we are constantly talking about separation between hostile cultural and ideological factions of current Americans. Which faction are the "nonwhites" supposed to assimilate to?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen, @A123, @nebulafox

    Which faction are the “nonwhites” supposed to assimilate to?

    This is a very good question. Neither seems very appealing, does it?

    Under the circumstance, each of the various nonwhite ethnies in the U.S. will probably have to answer the question for itself—which brings up another point: too many U.S. whites keep assuming (even if they do not realize that they are assuming it) that U.S. nonwhites lacked agency.

    Each of those nonwhite ethnies will make its own decisions for its own reasons. Except for blacks, they’re not stupid. Whites can and should avoid unnecessarily egregious exacerbation of the situation but, otherwise, whites have far less influence in the matter than they would like to think that they have. That is just how it is going to be.

    Whites Gentiles would be well advised to be good neighbors but otherwise to look out chiefly for their own interests.

  121. @RSDB
    @Twinkie


    I agree with Mr. Derbyshire on this: a little bit of salt can make the soup tasty and blends into, and becomes, the soup, but too much salt ruins the soup.

     


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk_wVO7NBMQ

    The Parsis have a similar story regarding sugar and milk.

    ...


    It seems strange to discuss assimilation on this blog when we are constantly talking about separation between hostile cultural and ideological factions of current Americans. Which faction are the "nonwhites" supposed to assimilate to?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen, @A123, @nebulafox

    Which faction are the “nonwhites” supposed to assimilate to?

    Good question.

    Twinkie frequently comments on assimilation, but I get the impression that he thinks that they can be counted as assimilated only if they conform to UMC standards and norms.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @iffen

    I would hazard a guess that those UMC norms are part of the reason he is a restrictionist. America's inertial assimilative pull means that professional class or upwardly aspirant second gen immigrant kids feel the pull of SJWism. That is why mass immigration at a time of peak professional class venality is a double whammy. Controlled migration is great if you need more people and you have healthy, productive cultural values for the newcomers to assimilate to. The US fulfills neither requirement: just the opposite. SJWism IS assimilation, sad to say, and it is global.

    (I have noticed that the immigrant kids who resist this fit the same profile as their native born counterparts-young men who, for whatever reason, fail to fit the woke mandarinate model and are looked at with unvarnished contempt by the powers that be. Class plays a role in this, but so does personality. Since this model prizes social skills and the ability to get the relevant authority figure to take your side, as well as rejecting empiricsm, it is not coincidental that a lot of hardcore STEM Aspergery types from Eastern European or Asian backgrounds fall in here, the former especially so because they are as packaged for Dalithood as much as any South Carolina good old boy.)

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Twinkie

  122. @RSDB
    @Twinkie


    I agree with Mr. Derbyshire on this: a little bit of salt can make the soup tasty and blends into, and becomes, the soup, but too much salt ruins the soup.

     


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk_wVO7NBMQ

    The Parsis have a similar story regarding sugar and milk.

    ...


    It seems strange to discuss assimilation on this blog when we are constantly talking about separation between hostile cultural and ideological factions of current Americans. Which faction are the "nonwhites" supposed to assimilate to?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen, @A123, @nebulafox

    Which faction are the “nonwhites” supposed to assimilate to?

    I have to disagree with an assumption baked into the question. There is no reason to believe that “one faction” is a workable or likely outcome. Non-white groups are in natural opposition to each other. For example:

    — Low-skilled Americans (often black) — Need U.S. Jobs
    — Illegals (rarely white) — Want to import people to fill those Jobs
    — Han Exploiters (Team Wang Fang Fang) — Want to move those Jobs to China

    Because the U.S. is a two-party system, the path to success is building a coalition that works to 51%+. White Judeo-Christians and Hispanic Anti-Communists (e.g. Venezuelan and Cuban) presents they most obvious potential for the Populist GOP.

    All racists, including anti-Semites, are allocated to the SJW Globalist DNC where they can fight with each other for pigment based supremacy.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  123. @iffen
    @dfordoom

    We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility

    "It's the economy, stupid."

    Replies: @dfordoom

    We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility

    “It’s the economy, stupid.”

    You’ll have to explain that comment a bit more fully.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @dfordoom


    We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility
     

    “It’s the economy, stupid.”
     
    You’ll have to explain that comment a bit more fully.

    My four great grandfathers had 54 children by six wives. They were yeoman farmers, although one did move into mining.

    I have two children and one wife and worked in a technical field with a BA.

    My siblings have seven children between them and worked in skilled middle class positions.

    In four generations we went from 54 children to 9. Excepting influences like certain religions, the economic structure is the only explanation.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  124. @iffen
    @RSDB

    Which faction are the “nonwhites” supposed to assimilate to?


    Good question.

    Twinkie frequently comments on assimilation, but I get the impression that he thinks that they can be counted as assimilated only if they conform to UMC standards and norms.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I would hazard a guess that those UMC norms are part of the reason he is a restrictionist. America’s inertial assimilative pull means that professional class or upwardly aspirant second gen immigrant kids feel the pull of SJWism. That is why mass immigration at a time of peak professional class venality is a double whammy. Controlled migration is great if you need more people and you have healthy, productive cultural values for the newcomers to assimilate to. The US fulfills neither requirement: just the opposite. SJWism IS assimilation, sad to say, and it is global.

    (I have noticed that the immigrant kids who resist this fit the same profile as their native born counterparts-young men who, for whatever reason, fail to fit the woke mandarinate model and are looked at with unvarnished contempt by the powers that be. Class plays a role in this, but so does personality. Since this model prizes social skills and the ability to get the relevant authority figure to take your side, as well as rejecting empiricsm, it is not coincidental that a lot of hardcore STEM Aspergery types from Eastern European or Asian backgrounds fall in here, the former especially so because they are as packaged for Dalithood as much as any South Carolina good old boy.)

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    SJWism IS assimilation, sad to say, and it is global.
     
    A very good and very important point.

    Ironically it would probably be better for "white interests" if immigrants did not assimilate. The more assimilated they become the more hostile they are going to be towards whites.
    , @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    I would hazard a guess that those UMC norms are part of the reason he is a restrictionist.
     
    Yes, indeed. But it’s not really the upper middle class as such. Such people are aspirants and want to be included in the elite, but almost never will be. But because we no longer have a patriotic elite class (and I’m referring to true elites here, not people with master’s degrees nor those who work for a living, however affluent they are), even the upper middle class members who will be harmed by globalism sooner or later tend to parrot and support elite views.

    As you wrote, immigration policy as with any government policy ought to be about serving the interests of existing citizens (and their progeny) foremost, the current shareholders and their children, if you will. People first, ideas second, hardware third as John Boyd said. An economy is something that is constructed to serve the people, but today we have a situation in which the elites view the people as merely the means to the end of building an economy, one that suits their narrow, parochial interests.

    So I am an immigration-restrictionist, because immigration no longer serves the broad swathes of the existing American citizenry (and our children). Immigrants no longer assimilate into the patriotic ethos of Middle America - it follows the guidance of the non-patriotic elites who control the institutional levers. I have no ill will toward immigrants (I was one, of sorts, once, after all). But it’s clear that their interests and those of their sponsors on the one hand and those of most ordinary Americans on the other are no longer compatible.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

  125. @RSDB
    @Twinkie


    I agree with Mr. Derbyshire on this: a little bit of salt can make the soup tasty and blends into, and becomes, the soup, but too much salt ruins the soup.

     


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk_wVO7NBMQ

    The Parsis have a similar story regarding sugar and milk.

    ...


    It seems strange to discuss assimilation on this blog when we are constantly talking about separation between hostile cultural and ideological factions of current Americans. Which faction are the "nonwhites" supposed to assimilate to?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen, @A123, @nebulafox

    The whole argument about immigration shows elite tendency to transform what should be arguments about policy to arguments about morality. This must be rejected by the masses for the cynical scam it is. The gauzy, nagging egalitarianism forced down our throats has led to a corrupt geronotocracy, so why bother with what they claim about fairness? What can we do to fix something or what is the purpose of this institution are the questions that politicians should be forced to answer. That is the job of a politician, not to create philosophy or muse on culture or carry out ideological nonsense.

    Immigration is not SUPPOSED to be about anything other than the national interests of the host country, end of story. Neither is health care or foreign policy or taxes or trade, for that matter. It is the job of the government to serve the citizens it has authority over, and if it fails to do so, personnel and sometimes institutional replacement is in order.

  126. @iffen
    @Twinkie

    I like soup as well. In particular, I like homemade vegetable beef made with fresh vegetables, canned vegetables, frozen vegetables, that little frozen serving of the last batch of soup, left-over ground chuck, left over tip roast, some freshly prepared stew meat, frozen tomatoes from this year's garden, store-bought tomato juice, and last, but not least, a few pieces of old time country cured ham to add flavor and salt.

    As you have pointed out before "the problem" is the political and ideological craziness of a big chunk of white people, and their political manipulation of non-whites in their war on the "other whites". We would still have the Puritan problem even if we didn't have more POC than you can shake a stick at.

    I am down with an immigration hiatus, but not because I oppose letting more non-whites emigrate. I oppose it because we need a respite from as many complications as possible in order to get our economic and political house in order.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    As you have pointed out before “the problem” is the political and ideological craziness of a big chunk of white people, and their political manipulation of non-whites in their war on the “other whites”.

    I agree, although it goes beyond mere craziness. There’s a lot of self-interest as well. A lot of greed and a hunger for power. Also quite a bit of fear – what happens if the Have-Nots ever figure out how badly they’re being screwed by the Haves.

    We would still have the Puritan problem even if we didn’t have more POC than you can shake a stick at.

    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation. They have to go back.

    We need an equivalent of the triple parentheses to easily identify Puritans. Maybe we could call them [[[Puritans]]], or {{{Puritans}}}.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom


    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation. They have to go back.
     
    LOOOOL!!! Ok now that’s a new one. Always an adventure at UNZ Review!

    Peace.
    , @iffen
    @dfordoom

    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation.

    Very wrong, a competent Commissar of the Guillotine, such as myself, would quickly get it under control.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  127. @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Some more graphs for thought:

    https://hailtoyou.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/fertility19802013_b.png

    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/hua_hsu/cohen_fertility2.jpg

    By the way, South Korea set a new record last year - its average fertility dropped to 0.92 lifetime birth per woman. That’s right - not even 1 child.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    By the way, South Korea set a new record last year – its average fertility dropped to 0.92 lifetime birth per woman. That’s right – not even 1 child.

    That’s not just extinction level. That’s racing towards extinction.

    By the end of the century the only place you’ll be able to find Koreans will be North Korea.

    So is it selfishness among younger Koreans, or self-hatred, or what?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @dfordoom


    So is it selfishness among younger Koreans
     
    I think that’s right.

    Burke famously wrote of society as a partnership that is all-consuming, that is, demanding of all “science” and social rigor, as well as a an agreement among the dead, the living, and the yet to be born. Younger Koreans are essentially breaking that social contract and acting as mechanistic director utilitarian animals that seek pleasure and avoid pain - “Let’s us enjoy the now and what happens to the society after we are gone is not our concern.”

    Replies: @dfordoom

  128. @dfordoom
    @iffen


    As you have pointed out before “the problem” is the political and ideological craziness of a big chunk of white people, and their political manipulation of non-whites in their war on the “other whites”.
     
    I agree, although it goes beyond mere craziness. There's a lot of self-interest as well. A lot of greed and a hunger for power. Also quite a bit of fear - what happens if the Have-Nots ever figure out how badly they're being screwed by the Haves.

    We would still have the Puritan problem even if we didn’t have more POC than you can shake a stick at.
     
    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation. They have to go back.

    We need an equivalent of the triple parentheses to easily identify Puritans. Maybe we could call them [[[Puritans]]], or {{{Puritans}}}.

    Replies: @Talha, @iffen

    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation. They have to go back.

    LOOOOL!!! Ok now that’s a new one. Always an adventure at UNZ Review!

    Peace.

  129. @nebulafox
    @iffen

    I would hazard a guess that those UMC norms are part of the reason he is a restrictionist. America's inertial assimilative pull means that professional class or upwardly aspirant second gen immigrant kids feel the pull of SJWism. That is why mass immigration at a time of peak professional class venality is a double whammy. Controlled migration is great if you need more people and you have healthy, productive cultural values for the newcomers to assimilate to. The US fulfills neither requirement: just the opposite. SJWism IS assimilation, sad to say, and it is global.

    (I have noticed that the immigrant kids who resist this fit the same profile as their native born counterparts-young men who, for whatever reason, fail to fit the woke mandarinate model and are looked at with unvarnished contempt by the powers that be. Class plays a role in this, but so does personality. Since this model prizes social skills and the ability to get the relevant authority figure to take your side, as well as rejecting empiricsm, it is not coincidental that a lot of hardcore STEM Aspergery types from Eastern European or Asian backgrounds fall in here, the former especially so because they are as packaged for Dalithood as much as any South Carolina good old boy.)

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Twinkie

    SJWism IS assimilation, sad to say, and it is global.

    A very good and very important point.

    Ironically it would probably be better for “white interests” if immigrants did not assimilate. The more assimilated they become the more hostile they are going to be towards whites.

  130. @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    By the way, South Korea set a new record last year – its average fertility dropped to 0.92 lifetime birth per woman. That’s right – not even 1 child.
     
    That's not just extinction level. That's racing towards extinction.

    By the end of the century the only place you'll be able to find Koreans will be North Korea.

    So is it selfishness among younger Koreans, or self-hatred, or what?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    So is it selfishness among younger Koreans

    I think that’s right.

    Burke famously wrote of society as a partnership that is all-consuming, that is, demanding of all “science” and social rigor, as well as a an agreement among the dead, the living, and the yet to be born. Younger Koreans are essentially breaking that social contract and acting as mechanistic director utilitarian animals that seek pleasure and avoid pain – “Let’s us enjoy the now and what happens to the society after we are gone is not our concern.”

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Twinkie



    So is it selfishness among younger Koreans
     
    I think that’s right.

    Burke famously wrote of society as a partnership that is all-consuming, that is, demanding of all “science” and social rigor, as well as a an agreement among the dead, the living, and the yet to be born. Younger Koreans are essentially breaking that social contract and acting as mechanistic director utilitarian animals that seek pleasure and avoid pain – “Let’s us enjoy the now and what happens to the society after we are gone is not our concern.”
     
    I agree. And that kind of thinking is rife throughout the developed world. So why have East Asian nations suffered from this to an even greater degree than Europeans?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie

  131. @nebulafox
    @iffen

    I would hazard a guess that those UMC norms are part of the reason he is a restrictionist. America's inertial assimilative pull means that professional class or upwardly aspirant second gen immigrant kids feel the pull of SJWism. That is why mass immigration at a time of peak professional class venality is a double whammy. Controlled migration is great if you need more people and you have healthy, productive cultural values for the newcomers to assimilate to. The US fulfills neither requirement: just the opposite. SJWism IS assimilation, sad to say, and it is global.

    (I have noticed that the immigrant kids who resist this fit the same profile as their native born counterparts-young men who, for whatever reason, fail to fit the woke mandarinate model and are looked at with unvarnished contempt by the powers that be. Class plays a role in this, but so does personality. Since this model prizes social skills and the ability to get the relevant authority figure to take your side, as well as rejecting empiricsm, it is not coincidental that a lot of hardcore STEM Aspergery types from Eastern European or Asian backgrounds fall in here, the former especially so because they are as packaged for Dalithood as much as any South Carolina good old boy.)

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Twinkie

    I would hazard a guess that those UMC norms are part of the reason he is a restrictionist.

    Yes, indeed. But it’s not really the upper middle class as such. Such people are aspirants and want to be included in the elite, but almost never will be. But because we no longer have a patriotic elite class (and I’m referring to true elites here, not people with master’s degrees nor those who work for a living, however affluent they are), even the upper middle class members who will be harmed by globalism sooner or later tend to parrot and support elite views.

    As you wrote, immigration policy as with any government policy ought to be about serving the interests of existing citizens (and their progeny) foremost, the current shareholders and their children, if you will. People first, ideas second, hardware third as John Boyd said. An economy is something that is constructed to serve the people, but today we have a situation in which the elites view the people as merely the means to the end of building an economy, one that suits their narrow, parochial interests.

    So I am an immigration-restrictionist, because immigration no longer serves the broad swathes of the existing American citizenry (and our children). Immigrants no longer assimilate into the patriotic ethos of Middle America – it follows the guidance of the non-patriotic elites who control the institutional levers. I have no ill will toward immigrants (I was one, of sorts, once, after all). But it’s clear that their interests and those of their sponsors on the one hand and those of most ordinary Americans on the other are no longer compatible.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie

    Your program would largely solve the problem:


    So I am an immigration-restrictionist, because immigration no longer serves the broad swathes of the existing American citizenry (and our children).
     
    Everything else would work itself out over time. Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn't. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches of contentment and to settle into productive lives, without persistent outside disruption, within a United States that—after all—still possesses tremendous natural resources and vast spaces.

    Americans have had the very good luck that east Asian and mestizo immigrants—which (I believe) have constituted the majority during the past 50 years—are more assimilable than the kinds of immigrants Europe has been getting. For reasons that are unclear to me, even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).

    It's time to take advantage of the good luck. Unfortunately, the (apparently) incoming Biden administration seems intent on doing the opposite, so we'll see what happens.

    Replies: @A123, @dfordoom, @dfordoom, @Twinkie

    , @iffen
    @Twinkie

    Such people are aspirants and want to be included in the elite ... ergo, ... tend to parrot and support elite views.

    It has always been this way. We have zero chance of overturning that dynamic. I am skeptical of the idea that we will be able to get sufficient numbers of rejected and disgruntled UMC elite wannabes to power an effort to replace the misanthropic traitorous elite.

  132. @Twinkie
    @dfordoom


    So is it selfishness among younger Koreans
     
    I think that’s right.

    Burke famously wrote of society as a partnership that is all-consuming, that is, demanding of all “science” and social rigor, as well as a an agreement among the dead, the living, and the yet to be born. Younger Koreans are essentially breaking that social contract and acting as mechanistic director utilitarian animals that seek pleasure and avoid pain - “Let’s us enjoy the now and what happens to the society after we are gone is not our concern.”

    Replies: @dfordoom

    So is it selfishness among younger Koreans

    I think that’s right.

    Burke famously wrote of society as a partnership that is all-consuming, that is, demanding of all “science” and social rigor, as well as a an agreement among the dead, the living, and the yet to be born. Younger Koreans are essentially breaking that social contract and acting as mechanistic director utilitarian animals that seek pleasure and avoid pain – “Let’s us enjoy the now and what happens to the society after we are gone is not our concern.”

    I agree. And that kind of thinking is rife throughout the developed world. So why have East Asian nations suffered from this to an even greater degree than Europeans?

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom


    And that kind of thinking is rife throughout the developed world. So why have East Asian nations suffered from this to an even greater degree than Europeans?
     
    I assume that whatever is happening in east Asia is happening chiefly for reasons I would probably not understand even if someone tried to explain the reasons to me. Am I mistaken?
    , @Twinkie
    @dfordoom


    So why have East Asian nations suffered from this to an even greater degree than Europeans?
     
    If I were to hazard a guess or two, it would be because developed East Asian countries have higher population densities and are much more competitive societies where rearing children is considered extremely expensive and onerous. South Korea, for example, has very low cost formal educational system (their universities are bargains compared to those in the U.S.), but, at the same time, it has the highest per capita private household spending (as a fraction of income) in the entire world. Almost all South Korean families put their children under one form or another of private tutoring to increase their academic chances.

    As a side comment, it's really fascinating (at least to me) how South Koreans - reputedly people with one of the highest national IQ averages in the world- have an extremely egalitarian instincts regarding intelligence (a thought tendency also shared by Asian-Americans). They often seem to think that most people can "become smarter" and can succeed if they just tried and worked harder. They seem to believe in the idea of "throwing good money after bad," i.e. trying to improve the academic successes of less intelligent students by getting them to work harder (and getting more attention from teachers) as American educrats and blank-slaters.
  133. @dfordoom
    @iffen


    As you have pointed out before “the problem” is the political and ideological craziness of a big chunk of white people, and their political manipulation of non-whites in their war on the “other whites”.
     
    I agree, although it goes beyond mere craziness. There's a lot of self-interest as well. A lot of greed and a hunger for power. Also quite a bit of fear - what happens if the Have-Nots ever figure out how badly they're being screwed by the Haves.

    We would still have the Puritan problem even if we didn’t have more POC than you can shake a stick at.
     
    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation. They have to go back.

    We need an equivalent of the triple parentheses to easily identify Puritans. Maybe we could call them [[[Puritans]]], or {{{Puritans}}}.

    Replies: @Talha, @iffen

    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation.

    Very wrong, a competent Commissar of the Guillotine, such as myself, would quickly get it under control.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation.

    Very wrong, a competent Commissar of the Guillotine, such as myself, would quickly get it under control.
     

    Pith is great, but this time I have no idea what either of you is talking about. Repatriated Puritans and Guillotines? The alternative being Pure Patriotic Reguillotinia?

    Commissars, I'm confused.

    Replies: @Talha

  134. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    I would hazard a guess that those UMC norms are part of the reason he is a restrictionist.
     
    Yes, indeed. But it’s not really the upper middle class as such. Such people are aspirants and want to be included in the elite, but almost never will be. But because we no longer have a patriotic elite class (and I’m referring to true elites here, not people with master’s degrees nor those who work for a living, however affluent they are), even the upper middle class members who will be harmed by globalism sooner or later tend to parrot and support elite views.

    As you wrote, immigration policy as with any government policy ought to be about serving the interests of existing citizens (and their progeny) foremost, the current shareholders and their children, if you will. People first, ideas second, hardware third as John Boyd said. An economy is something that is constructed to serve the people, but today we have a situation in which the elites view the people as merely the means to the end of building an economy, one that suits their narrow, parochial interests.

    So I am an immigration-restrictionist, because immigration no longer serves the broad swathes of the existing American citizenry (and our children). Immigrants no longer assimilate into the patriotic ethos of Middle America - it follows the guidance of the non-patriotic elites who control the institutional levers. I have no ill will toward immigrants (I was one, of sorts, once, after all). But it’s clear that their interests and those of their sponsors on the one hand and those of most ordinary Americans on the other are no longer compatible.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

    Your program would largely solve the problem:

    So I am an immigration-restrictionist, because immigration no longer serves the broad swathes of the existing American citizenry (and our children).

    Everything else would work itself out over time. Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn’t. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches of contentment and to settle into productive lives, without persistent outside disruption, within a United States that—after all—still possesses tremendous natural resources and vast spaces.

    Americans have had the very good luck that east Asian and mestizo immigrants—which (I believe) have constituted the majority during the past 50 years—are more assimilable than the kinds of immigrants Europe has been getting. For reasons that are unclear to me, even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).

    It’s time to take advantage of the good luck. Unfortunately, the (apparently) incoming Biden administration seems intent on doing the opposite, so we’ll see what happens.

    • Replies: @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund


    restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn’t. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches
     
    I concur.

    The current situation is, too many permanent residents chasing too few permanent jobs. This creates unemployment, underemployment, and suppressed wages. SJW Globalist multinationals like the wage suppression and lack of options for workers to leave the firm.

    There will have to be an extended period where few or no permanent migrants are permitted.

    even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.
     
    You are being naive. Lower numbers and fear of repatriation (e.g. Turkish Gulen-ites) keeps the horror of Islam temporarily under control, however this is in no way assimilation.

    Facts show that it is impossible possible to assimilate a Muslim and be sure that their descendants will stay assimilated. The Orlando attack is absolute proof. A second generation, "assimilated" Jihadi terminated 49 lives for the Glory of Allah. If the U.S. does not embrace peaceful de-Islamification, more atrocities will be committed by "assimilated" Muslims.

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).
     
    English can be very precise which is among the reasons it is favoured for writing contracts.

    While crude basics may be easy to acquire. ESL learners have huge problems with English's extensive tradition of exceptions.

    I before E:
    -- Except after C
    -- Or when sounded as "neighbor" or "weigh"

    So the correct spelling of a sheet of arctic ice is "glaceir" not "glacier".... Nope. Glacier is an exception to the exception.
    ___

    The articles "A", "An", and "The" also have difficult usage conventions. Those of us who grew up reading and speaking English deploy them in the right places based on how a sentence should flow.

    However, how many people can explain why they used:
    -1- "a sentence should flow" vs.
    -2- "the sentence should flow" vs.
    -3- "sentences should flow"

    I wrote it, and I cannot explain. 20/20 hindsight, #3 may be slightly better than #1. #2 may be permissible by rule, but seems very awkward to me.
    ___

    As a side note, people periodically accuse me of not being a native English speaker. I am native English speaker, but read way ahead of grade level and thus developed my own "rules". Also, the book collection I read from was a mix of both UK and US origin. Both "grey" and "gray" are valid spellings for the colour/color. I probably use "grey" more than "gray" however "U.S. Navy gray ships" require the letter "a".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    , @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Everything else would work itself out over time. Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn’t. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches of contentment and to settle into productive lives
     
    I can't see any reason to believe that would happen. I think it's wishful thinking. The problems afflicting western societies are internal problems not external ones. Without immigration our societies would still be unhealthy and crazy.
    , @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn’t.
     
    We have to face the unpalatable truth that it's not immigrants who are sending western societies crazy. It's western societies that is sending immigrants crazy. Immigrants arrive with usually fairly sensible socially conservative views and within a few years they've been infected by the same cultural madness that has seen the West insane.

    We are the problem.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Americans have had the very good luck that east Asian and mestizo immigrants—which (I believe) have constituted the majority during the past 50 years—are more assimilable than the kinds of immigrants Europe has been getting. For reasons that are unclear to me, even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.
     
    The United States has had, indeed, more assimilable cohorts of immigrants than Western Europe, though it appears that the elites in the U.S. are determined to reverse this trend with multiculturalism and other self-serving ideas.

    However, we should note that the assimilating tendencies have not been uniformly distributed among immigrants in the U.S.:

    http://siddiqueblogs.weebly.com/uploads/4/0/2/9/40298843/938237969.gif

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).
     
    I happen to think that American English is the best language in the world, because of its exquisitely and richly layered history (Germanic origin, Latin and Greek superstrates, later acquisitions from elsewhere via imperialism, colonization, and global trade) as well as its many "exceptions" and an astoundingly large vocabulary, but those exact factors make it a very difficult language to master for people who do not come from Western European countries.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  135. @iffen
    @dfordoom

    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation.

    Very wrong, a competent Commissar of the Guillotine, such as myself, would quickly get it under control.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation.

    Very wrong, a competent Commissar of the Guillotine, such as myself, would quickly get it under control.

    Pith is great, but this time I have no idea what either of you is talking about. Repatriated Puritans and Guillotines? The alternative being Pure Patriotic Reguillotinia?

    Commissars, I’m confused.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I’m basically visualizing a room full of these guys:
    https://triviahappy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/05072014quakermain.jpg

    And then iffen walks in along these lines:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJI-G7ulsg

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @iffen

  136. @dfordoom
    @Twinkie



    So is it selfishness among younger Koreans
     
    I think that’s right.

    Burke famously wrote of society as a partnership that is all-consuming, that is, demanding of all “science” and social rigor, as well as a an agreement among the dead, the living, and the yet to be born. Younger Koreans are essentially breaking that social contract and acting as mechanistic director utilitarian animals that seek pleasure and avoid pain – “Let’s us enjoy the now and what happens to the society after we are gone is not our concern.”
     
    I agree. And that kind of thinking is rife throughout the developed world. So why have East Asian nations suffered from this to an even greater degree than Europeans?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie

    And that kind of thinking is rife throughout the developed world. So why have East Asian nations suffered from this to an even greater degree than Europeans?

    I assume that whatever is happening in east Asia is happening chiefly for reasons I would probably not understand even if someone tried to explain the reasons to me. Am I mistaken?

  137. @nebulafox
    @iffen

    Let's see... increasing amounts of Americans are finding themselves underemployed or out of the job market altogether. In a time period where long-term unemployment increasingly means you are de-facto negatively impacted for life. Whenever I've talked to people who haven't ever been long-term unemployed, they don't seem to quite get it: in the 21st Century, where you can't get catch a Greyhound out of town and start over somewhere where nobody knows you or your history, it can become the economic equivalent to being crippled or maimed for life. And the pandemic is now ensuring that this happens to millions more Americans. Did I also mention that you won't have health insurance during that pandemic?

    You'll be desperate. They want you to be desperate. Dependent. Otherwise, our elite's answer to this question would not be:

    "I know, I know! Let's import tens of millions of low-skilled laborers! while berating anybody who objects as a Racist."

    And as we all know, being a Racist is the most horrible, terrible thing you can be. Worse than being a child molester or a serial killer.

    So, yeah: they suck. And that's *before* you get to the fun consequences of playing games with demographic change for pseudo-religious reasons at a time of peak socioeconomic and structural rot.

    Replies: @iffen

    where you can’t get catch a Greyhound out of town and start over somewhere

    No, no!

    Don’t you read NR?

    Anybody can catch a Greyhound to the land of milk and honey, jump out and start coding at $30 an hour.

  138. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    I would hazard a guess that those UMC norms are part of the reason he is a restrictionist.
     
    Yes, indeed. But it’s not really the upper middle class as such. Such people are aspirants and want to be included in the elite, but almost never will be. But because we no longer have a patriotic elite class (and I’m referring to true elites here, not people with master’s degrees nor those who work for a living, however affluent they are), even the upper middle class members who will be harmed by globalism sooner or later tend to parrot and support elite views.

    As you wrote, immigration policy as with any government policy ought to be about serving the interests of existing citizens (and their progeny) foremost, the current shareholders and their children, if you will. People first, ideas second, hardware third as John Boyd said. An economy is something that is constructed to serve the people, but today we have a situation in which the elites view the people as merely the means to the end of building an economy, one that suits their narrow, parochial interests.

    So I am an immigration-restrictionist, because immigration no longer serves the broad swathes of the existing American citizenry (and our children). Immigrants no longer assimilate into the patriotic ethos of Middle America - it follows the guidance of the non-patriotic elites who control the institutional levers. I have no ill will toward immigrants (I was one, of sorts, once, after all). But it’s clear that their interests and those of their sponsors on the one hand and those of most ordinary Americans on the other are no longer compatible.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

    Such people are aspirants and want to be included in the elite … ergo, … tend to parrot and support elite views.

    It has always been this way. We have zero chance of overturning that dynamic. I am skeptical of the idea that we will be able to get sufficient numbers of rejected and disgruntled UMC elite wannabes to power an effort to replace the misanthropic traitorous elite.

  139. @dfordoom
    @iffen



    We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility
     
    “It’s the economy, stupid.”
     
    You'll have to explain that comment a bit more fully.

    Replies: @iffen

    We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility

    “It’s the economy, stupid.”

    You’ll have to explain that comment a bit more fully.

    My four great grandfathers had 54 children by six wives. They were yeoman farmers, although one did move into mining.

    I have two children and one wife and worked in a technical field with a BA.

    My siblings have seven children between them and worked in skilled middle class positions.

    In four generations we went from 54 children to 9. Excepting influences like certain religions, the economic structure is the only explanation.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @iffen


    In four generations we went from 54 children to 9. Excepting influences like certain religions, the economic structure is the only explanation.
     
    From the mid-20th century onwards people have felt that they had other options in life apart from child-rearing. And maybe we have to face the fact that, when other options are available, child-rearing is just not that attractive to many people. Maybe people really only had lots of kids in the past because they didn't have a choice. Maybe even a couple of hundred years ago if they'd had a choice many people would have had only one child, or possibly none.

    I suppose in a very broad sense that is partly an economic factor but I think it goes beyond the economy. In the past there was social pressure to have kids. Maybe in the absence of social pressure people really do prefer just one child.

    So perhaps if you want high birth rates the only way to achieve that is by some degree of coercion.

    Replies: @iffen

  140. @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    The only solution to the Puritan Problem is forced repatriation.

    Very wrong, a competent Commissar of the Guillotine, such as myself, would quickly get it under control.
     

    Pith is great, but this time I have no idea what either of you is talking about. Repatriated Puritans and Guillotines? The alternative being Pure Patriotic Reguillotinia?

    Commissars, I'm confused.

    Replies: @Talha

    I’m basically visualizing a room full of these guys:

    And then iffen walks in along these lines:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Talha

    LOL

    I have this image in my mind of the poor Quakers in Pennsylvania freaking out when the Scotch-Irish, whom they imported to buffer the frontier with the Indians, immediately proceeded to deal with "the problem".

    , @iffen
    @Talha

    A question about commenting.



    How do I embed a picture or a video clip in my comment?

    Replies: @Talha

  141. @Talha
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I’m basically visualizing a room full of these guys:
    https://triviahappy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/05072014quakermain.jpg

    And then iffen walks in along these lines:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJI-G7ulsg

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @iffen

    LOL

    I have this image in my mind of the poor Quakers in Pennsylvania freaking out when the Scotch-Irish, whom they imported to buffer the frontier with the Indians, immediately proceeded to deal with “the problem”.

    • LOL: Talha
  142. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie

    Your program would largely solve the problem:


    So I am an immigration-restrictionist, because immigration no longer serves the broad swathes of the existing American citizenry (and our children).
     
    Everything else would work itself out over time. Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn't. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches of contentment and to settle into productive lives, without persistent outside disruption, within a United States that—after all—still possesses tremendous natural resources and vast spaces.

    Americans have had the very good luck that east Asian and mestizo immigrants—which (I believe) have constituted the majority during the past 50 years—are more assimilable than the kinds of immigrants Europe has been getting. For reasons that are unclear to me, even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).

    It's time to take advantage of the good luck. Unfortunately, the (apparently) incoming Biden administration seems intent on doing the opposite, so we'll see what happens.

    Replies: @A123, @dfordoom, @dfordoom, @Twinkie

    restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn’t. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches

    I concur.

    The current situation is, too many permanent residents chasing too few permanent jobs. This creates unemployment, underemployment, and suppressed wages. SJW Globalist multinationals like the wage suppression and lack of options for workers to leave the firm.

    There will have to be an extended period where few or no permanent migrants are permitted.

    even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.

    You are being naive. Lower numbers and fear of repatriation (e.g. Turkish Gulen-ites) keeps the horror of Islam temporarily under control, however this is in no way assimilation.

    Facts show that it is impossible possible to assimilate a Muslim and be sure that their descendants will stay assimilated. The Orlando attack is absolute proof. A second generation, “assimilated” Jihadi terminated 49 lives for the Glory of Allah. If the U.S. does not embrace peaceful de-Islamification, more atrocities will be committed by “assimilated” Muslims.

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).

    English can be very precise which is among the reasons it is favoured for writing contracts.

    While crude basics may be easy to acquire. ESL learners have huge problems with English’s extensive tradition of exceptions.

    I before E:
    — Except after C
    — Or when sounded as “neighbor” or “weigh”

    So the correct spelling of a sheet of arctic ice is “glaceir” not “glacier”…. Nope. Glacier is an exception to the exception.
    ___

    The articles “A”, “An”, and “The” also have difficult usage conventions. Those of us who grew up reading and speaking English deploy them in the right places based on how a sentence should flow.

    However, how many people can explain why they used:
    -1- “a sentence should flow” vs.
    -2- “the sentence should flow” vs.
    -3- “sentences should flow”

    I wrote it, and I cannot explain. 20/20 hindsight, #3 may be slightly better than #1. #2 may be permissible by rule, but seems very awkward to me.
    ___

    As a side note, people periodically accuse me of not being a native English speaker. I am native English speaker, but read way ahead of grade level and thus developed my own “rules”. Also, the book collection I read from was a mix of both UK and US origin. Both “grey” and “gray” are valid spellings for the colour/color. I probably use “grey” more than “gray” however “U.S. Navy gray ships” require the letter “a”.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    Lower numbers and fear of repatriation (e.g. Turkish Gulen-ites) keeps the horror of Islam temporarily under control, however this is in no way assimilation.
     
    I do not disagree with a word of this. All I meant to do was to express ignorance as to why, on the whole, France, Germany and Britain seem to suffer worse from Muslim deassimilation than the U.S. does at the present time.

    I don't want to delve back into philo-/anti-Semitism with you today if I can help it, but (as you probably know) I worked ten years at a U.S. university that had many Muslims on campus. Universities are atypical, of course, but I must say: I only once saw a Muslim behave badly. Students, professors, spouses: with remarkable consistency, they were pleasant, considerate and courteous. They were certainly better behaved than the Chinese.

    I tangentially mention philo-/anti-Semitism only because almost all negative impressions of Muslims that have reached me have come via media controlled by, well, you know. Maybe Muslims burn cars in France and maybe they don't, but the media image of them as car-burners just contradicts what I seem to see with my own eyes. So I don't quite know what to believe.

    It's funny that you should have kidded me about being Iranian, incidentally. I'm not, of course, but I'll tell you what: except for Canadians, I find Iranians to be the most amenable foreigners in the entire world. They're just great people in my limited experience.

    Regarding English as a second language:


    While crude basics [of English] may be easy to acquire....
     
    That's what I should have said.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @A123

  143. @Talha
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I’m basically visualizing a room full of these guys:
    https://triviahappy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/05072014quakermain.jpg

    And then iffen walks in along these lines:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJI-G7ulsg

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @iffen

    A question about commenting.

    [MORE]

    How do I embed a picture or a video clip in my comment?

    • Replies: @Talha
    @iffen

    Just find the actual URL (web address) of the image (it should start with "http:" or "https:" and end with a .gif or .jpg or .png or the like) and then copy the whole thing and then paste it in the comment. UNZ magic takes care of the rest and makes an image tag out of it.


    Same with the video. Just find the video in youtube and then copy the web address from your browser and then paste it in the comment and UNZ magic will take care of embedding.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen

  144. @iffen
    @Talha

    A question about commenting.



    How do I embed a picture or a video clip in my comment?

    Replies: @Talha

    Just find the actual URL (web address) of the image (it should start with “http:” or “https:” and end with a .gif or .jpg or .png or the like) and then copy the whole thing and then paste it in the comment. UNZ magic takes care of the rest and makes an image tag out of it.

    Same with the video. Just find the video in youtube and then copy the web address from your browser and then paste it in the comment and UNZ magic will take care of embedding.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Talha

    Thanks. How do I cut the youtube to just the seconds that I want?

    Replies: @Talha

  145. @iffen
    @dfordoom


    We have to figure out why modern civilisation in its current form seems to lead inevitably to extinction-level fertility
     

    “It’s the economy, stupid.”
     
    You’ll have to explain that comment a bit more fully.

    My four great grandfathers had 54 children by six wives. They were yeoman farmers, although one did move into mining.

    I have two children and one wife and worked in a technical field with a BA.

    My siblings have seven children between them and worked in skilled middle class positions.

    In four generations we went from 54 children to 9. Excepting influences like certain religions, the economic structure is the only explanation.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    In four generations we went from 54 children to 9. Excepting influences like certain religions, the economic structure is the only explanation.

    From the mid-20th century onwards people have felt that they had other options in life apart from child-rearing. And maybe we have to face the fact that, when other options are available, child-rearing is just not that attractive to many people. Maybe people really only had lots of kids in the past because they didn’t have a choice. Maybe even a couple of hundred years ago if they’d had a choice many people would have had only one child, or possibly none.

    I suppose in a very broad sense that is partly an economic factor but I think it goes beyond the economy. In the past there was social pressure to have kids. Maybe in the absence of social pressure people really do prefer just one child.

    So perhaps if you want high birth rates the only way to achieve that is by some degree of coercion.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @dfordoom

    So perhaps if you want high birth rates the only way to achieve that is by some degree of coercion.

    Sticks and carrots.

    Sticks work best for this type of thing.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  146. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie

    Your program would largely solve the problem:


    So I am an immigration-restrictionist, because immigration no longer serves the broad swathes of the existing American citizenry (and our children).
     
    Everything else would work itself out over time. Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn't. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches of contentment and to settle into productive lives, without persistent outside disruption, within a United States that—after all—still possesses tremendous natural resources and vast spaces.

    Americans have had the very good luck that east Asian and mestizo immigrants—which (I believe) have constituted the majority during the past 50 years—are more assimilable than the kinds of immigrants Europe has been getting. For reasons that are unclear to me, even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).

    It's time to take advantage of the good luck. Unfortunately, the (apparently) incoming Biden administration seems intent on doing the opposite, so we'll see what happens.

    Replies: @A123, @dfordoom, @dfordoom, @Twinkie

    Everything else would work itself out over time. Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn’t. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches of contentment and to settle into productive lives

    I can’t see any reason to believe that would happen. I think it’s wishful thinking. The problems afflicting western societies are internal problems not external ones. Without immigration our societies would still be unhealthy and crazy.

    • Agree: iffen
  147. @dfordoom
    @iffen


    In four generations we went from 54 children to 9. Excepting influences like certain religions, the economic structure is the only explanation.
     
    From the mid-20th century onwards people have felt that they had other options in life apart from child-rearing. And maybe we have to face the fact that, when other options are available, child-rearing is just not that attractive to many people. Maybe people really only had lots of kids in the past because they didn't have a choice. Maybe even a couple of hundred years ago if they'd had a choice many people would have had only one child, or possibly none.

    I suppose in a very broad sense that is partly an economic factor but I think it goes beyond the economy. In the past there was social pressure to have kids. Maybe in the absence of social pressure people really do prefer just one child.

    So perhaps if you want high birth rates the only way to achieve that is by some degree of coercion.

    Replies: @iffen

    So perhaps if you want high birth rates the only way to achieve that is by some degree of coercion.

    Sticks and carrots.

    Sticks work best for this type of thing.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @iffen



    So perhaps if you want high birth rates the only way to achieve that is by some degree of coercion.
     
    Sticks and carrots.

    Sticks work best for this type of thing.
     
    Sadly that's true of human behaviour in general.

    And I cannot see any prospect of any western government being prepared to use sticks to boost the birth rates.
  148. @Talha
    @iffen

    Just find the actual URL (web address) of the image (it should start with "http:" or "https:" and end with a .gif or .jpg or .png or the like) and then copy the whole thing and then paste it in the comment. UNZ magic takes care of the rest and makes an image tag out of it.


    Same with the video. Just find the video in youtube and then copy the web address from your browser and then paste it in the comment and UNZ magic will take care of embedding.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen

    Thanks. How do I cut the youtube to just the seconds that I want?

    • Replies: @Talha
    @iffen

    So - this one I've found some difficulty with.

    If you open up a video, near the bottom right of it, you see a "Share" option. When you select that, it allows you to click on an option for "Start at" for the specific spot in the video. Then you can click on "copy" and try pasting that in the comment, which I attempt to do here:
    https://youtu.be/TbY5xjrt0ZE?t=535

    I have found that, if it doesn't work, you can simply add the time component (in my example "t=535") to the end of the web address in the original URL after a "&" (so, in my example, I would add "&t=535" after the value of "?v=TbY5xjrt0ZE") and that usually does it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbY5xjrt0ZE&t=535

    I've noticed it works best on a PC versus a phone.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen

  149. @iffen
    @Talha

    Thanks. How do I cut the youtube to just the seconds that I want?

    Replies: @Talha

    So – this one I’ve found some difficulty with.

    If you open up a video, near the bottom right of it, you see a “Share” option. When you select that, it allows you to click on an option for “Start at” for the specific spot in the video. Then you can click on “copy” and try pasting that in the comment, which I attempt to do here:

    I have found that, if it doesn’t work, you can simply add the time component (in my example “t=535”) to the end of the web address in the original URL after a “&” (so, in my example, I would add “&t=535” after the value of “?v=TbY5xjrt0ZE”) and that usually does it:

    I’ve noticed it works best on a PC versus a phone.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Talha

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=that+don%27t+make+no+sense+o+brother&docid=608040612308127053&mid=BB4D8572E7850E7D14A6BB4D8572E7850E7D14A6&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

    Replies: @Talha

  150. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie

    Your program would largely solve the problem:


    So I am an immigration-restrictionist, because immigration no longer serves the broad swathes of the existing American citizenry (and our children).
     
    Everything else would work itself out over time. Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn't. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches of contentment and to settle into productive lives, without persistent outside disruption, within a United States that—after all—still possesses tremendous natural resources and vast spaces.

    Americans have had the very good luck that east Asian and mestizo immigrants—which (I believe) have constituted the majority during the past 50 years—are more assimilable than the kinds of immigrants Europe has been getting. For reasons that are unclear to me, even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).

    It's time to take advantage of the good luck. Unfortunately, the (apparently) incoming Biden administration seems intent on doing the opposite, so we'll see what happens.

    Replies: @A123, @dfordoom, @dfordoom, @Twinkie

    Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn’t.

    We have to face the unpalatable truth that it’s not immigrants who are sending western societies crazy. It’s western societies that is sending immigrants crazy. Immigrants arrive with usually fairly sensible socially conservative views and within a few years they’ve been infected by the same cultural madness that has seen the West insane.

    We are the problem.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom


    It’s western societies that is sending immigrants crazy.
     
    There is also the ability to reach others through extremely powerful media in their own countries.

    My kids and I have been watching "The Mandalorian" (which we call "The Baby Yoda Show" for obvious reasons) on the Disney streaming channel and I noted that on the season finale, the Mandalorian takes on an entire ship of Storm Troopers with the help of three really kick-butt female warriors. I'm going to ask my kids later whether they noticed that practically all of the powerful good guys at the end were females.

    Peace.
  151. @iffen
    @dfordoom

    So perhaps if you want high birth rates the only way to achieve that is by some degree of coercion.

    Sticks and carrots.

    Sticks work best for this type of thing.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    So perhaps if you want high birth rates the only way to achieve that is by some degree of coercion.

    Sticks and carrots.

    Sticks work best for this type of thing.

    Sadly that’s true of human behaviour in general.

    And I cannot see any prospect of any western government being prepared to use sticks to boost the birth rates.

  152. @Talha
    @iffen

    So - this one I've found some difficulty with.

    If you open up a video, near the bottom right of it, you see a "Share" option. When you select that, it allows you to click on an option for "Start at" for the specific spot in the video. Then you can click on "copy" and try pasting that in the comment, which I attempt to do here:
    https://youtu.be/TbY5xjrt0ZE?t=535

    I have found that, if it doesn't work, you can simply add the time component (in my example "t=535") to the end of the web address in the original URL after a "&" (so, in my example, I would add "&t=535" after the value of "?v=TbY5xjrt0ZE") and that usually does it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbY5xjrt0ZE&t=535

    I've noticed it works best on a PC versus a phone.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen

    • Replies: @Talha
    @iffen

    LOOOOL!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EBsLOJv-yI

    I looked, but there is no instruction reference in the FAQ on how to do this. Maybe a nice set with some screenshots would be a good addition - if Mr. Unz sees this.

    I also posted it in the "Bugs & Suggestions" thread.


    Peace.

  153. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn’t.
     
    We have to face the unpalatable truth that it's not immigrants who are sending western societies crazy. It's western societies that is sending immigrants crazy. Immigrants arrive with usually fairly sensible socially conservative views and within a few years they've been infected by the same cultural madness that has seen the West insane.

    We are the problem.

    Replies: @Talha

    It’s western societies that is sending immigrants crazy.

    There is also the ability to reach others through extremely powerful media in their own countries.

    My kids and I have been watching “The Mandalorian” (which we call “The Baby Yoda Show” for obvious reasons) on the Disney streaming channel and I noted that on the season finale, the Mandalorian takes on an entire ship of Storm Troopers with the help of three really kick-butt female warriors. I’m going to ask my kids later whether they noticed that practically all of the powerful good guys at the end were females.

    Peace.

  154. @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund


    restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn’t. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches
     
    I concur.

    The current situation is, too many permanent residents chasing too few permanent jobs. This creates unemployment, underemployment, and suppressed wages. SJW Globalist multinationals like the wage suppression and lack of options for workers to leave the firm.

    There will have to be an extended period where few or no permanent migrants are permitted.

    even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.
     
    You are being naive. Lower numbers and fear of repatriation (e.g. Turkish Gulen-ites) keeps the horror of Islam temporarily under control, however this is in no way assimilation.

    Facts show that it is impossible possible to assimilate a Muslim and be sure that their descendants will stay assimilated. The Orlando attack is absolute proof. A second generation, "assimilated" Jihadi terminated 49 lives for the Glory of Allah. If the U.S. does not embrace peaceful de-Islamification, more atrocities will be committed by "assimilated" Muslims.

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).
     
    English can be very precise which is among the reasons it is favoured for writing contracts.

    While crude basics may be easy to acquire. ESL learners have huge problems with English's extensive tradition of exceptions.

    I before E:
    -- Except after C
    -- Or when sounded as "neighbor" or "weigh"

    So the correct spelling of a sheet of arctic ice is "glaceir" not "glacier".... Nope. Glacier is an exception to the exception.
    ___

    The articles "A", "An", and "The" also have difficult usage conventions. Those of us who grew up reading and speaking English deploy them in the right places based on how a sentence should flow.

    However, how many people can explain why they used:
    -1- "a sentence should flow" vs.
    -2- "the sentence should flow" vs.
    -3- "sentences should flow"

    I wrote it, and I cannot explain. 20/20 hindsight, #3 may be slightly better than #1. #2 may be permissible by rule, but seems very awkward to me.
    ___

    As a side note, people periodically accuse me of not being a native English speaker. I am native English speaker, but read way ahead of grade level and thus developed my own "rules". Also, the book collection I read from was a mix of both UK and US origin. Both "grey" and "gray" are valid spellings for the colour/color. I probably use "grey" more than "gray" however "U.S. Navy gray ships" require the letter "a".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    Lower numbers and fear of repatriation (e.g. Turkish Gulen-ites) keeps the horror of Islam temporarily under control, however this is in no way assimilation.

    I do not disagree with a word of this. All I meant to do was to express ignorance as to why, on the whole, France, Germany and Britain seem to suffer worse from Muslim deassimilation than the U.S. does at the present time.

    I don’t want to delve back into philo-/anti-Semitism with you today if I can help it, but (as you probably know) I worked ten years at a U.S. university that had many Muslims on campus. Universities are atypical, of course, but I must say: I only once saw a Muslim behave badly. Students, professors, spouses: with remarkable consistency, they were pleasant, considerate and courteous. They were certainly better behaved than the Chinese.

    I tangentially mention philo-/anti-Semitism only because almost all negative impressions of Muslims that have reached me have come via media controlled by, well, you know. Maybe Muslims burn cars in France and maybe they don’t, but the media image of them as car-burners just contradicts what I seem to see with my own eyes. So I don’t quite know what to believe.

    It’s funny that you should have kidded me about being Iranian, incidentally. I’m not, of course, but I’ll tell you what: except for Canadians, I find Iranians to be the most amenable foreigners in the entire world. They’re just great people in my limited experience.

    Regarding English as a second language:

    While crude basics [of English] may be easy to acquire….

    That’s what I should have said.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @V. K. Ovelund

    @A123:


    I only once saw a Muslim behave badly.
     
    I should have said, “white Muslim.” Black Muslims broadly seem to act like black people. Regarding Pakistanis and other nonwhites from further east, my experience is too limited to afford an impression.

    No one cares what I think, anyway. I merely state the reason for my own doubts in connection with your post.

    , @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Gates of Vienna offers frequent link round ups where the contributors highlight European incompetence at protecting Christians from Muslim oppression (in addition to other issues).

    https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/12/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-12-20-2020/

    This may have significant appeal to you as a regular resource. It more specifically Christian and is rarely tied up in the matters that cause the two of us conflict.


    All I meant to do was to express ignorance as to why, on the whole, France, Germany and Britain seem to suffer worse from Muslim deassimilation than the U.S. does at the present time.
     
    Not the whole story, however the big 3 for with the U.S. fares better are:
    -1- % of Population
    -2- Quality of Migrants
    -3- Government Acceptance & Concealment
    ____

    #1 -- Population

    -- France & Sweden are ~9% Muslim
    -- Germany and UK ~5%.
    -- U.S. ~ 1%

    In the U.S., Islam has a very limited political presence mostly concentrated in specific pockets. The most well known politicians are believed to be rather extreme even by their own party. What little impact they have is usually by proxy and often disguised. U.S. Muslims exploit "useful idiot" groups that are theoretically Christian or Jewish while actually serving sharia Islam and opposing Biblical values.

    At the 5% and especially at 10% organized Islam becomes aggressive in their own name in addition to U.S. style stealth offensives. European Muslims wield politics to intentionally damage Christianity. For example, intolerant Islam tries to shutdown Oktoberfest every year because "Alcohol Offends Them". They have also used political power and court suits to gain special rights at the expense of Christians.
    ____

    #2 -- Quality of Migrants

    The U.S. mostly gets families and professionals. They have higher IQ's and arrive legally. As individuals, these are the least prone to immediate physical combat. Purely random violence while possible is not common.

    Europe gets combat aged males. Mostly illegals and faux refugees. Lower IQ's and no families to reign in their worst behaviours. The danger of random violence and criminal/gang violence is high. Because they have sufficient numbers to stay in culturally isolated groups, assimilation is rare bordering on non-existent.

    The large illegal flows cover the movement mostly Iranian funded, terrorists and agitators. This presents very organized, trained, and armed threats such as the Bataclan assault. The worst ideological extremes have thoroughly penetrated the European communities. In France, a school teacher was murdered and the local, Chechnya origin, Muslim community celebrated the crime.
    ____

    #3 -- Government Acceptance & Concealment

    In the U.S. name, picture, and other details are immediately & publicly available for almost every arrest. While not 100%, one can usually identify the religious group of the arestee by name. When is the last time you heard of a Muslim named Yosel Goldberg? I suspect you would be willing to place a fairly accurate bet on Yosel's religion (or at least his parents religion).

    European laws routinely cover up names and ethnicities of criminals as a matter of course. It leaks out with high profile cases, like the Muslim Child Sex gang in Rotherham. However, in ordinary criminal reporting the system intentionally hides the direct link between illegal migration into Europe and shocking crimes committed by those illegals. The media part by rule and part by choice collaborate with the government to prevent accountability.

    Most European countries permit (possibly encourage) "no-go" zones where local and national law enforcement are not permitted to enter without a specific mission and plan. France has over 700 Muslim-only, violently anti-Christian "neighborhoods". Think of the U.S. CHAZ fiasco multiplied by 1000, except with semi-effective Islamic Warlords running bantustan state-lets. And, because public assistance is overly generous in the EU, these fiefdoms have sufficient cash to keep running.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Twinkie

  155. @iffen
    @Talha

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=that+don%27t+make+no+sense+o+brother&docid=608040612308127053&mid=BB4D8572E7850E7D14A6BB4D8572E7850E7D14A6&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

    Replies: @Talha

    LOOOOL!!!

    I looked, but there is no instruction reference in the FAQ on how to do this. Maybe a nice set with some screenshots would be a good addition – if Mr. Unz sees this.

    I also posted it in the “Bugs & Suggestions” thread.

    Peace.

  156. @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    Lower numbers and fear of repatriation (e.g. Turkish Gulen-ites) keeps the horror of Islam temporarily under control, however this is in no way assimilation.
     
    I do not disagree with a word of this. All I meant to do was to express ignorance as to why, on the whole, France, Germany and Britain seem to suffer worse from Muslim deassimilation than the U.S. does at the present time.

    I don't want to delve back into philo-/anti-Semitism with you today if I can help it, but (as you probably know) I worked ten years at a U.S. university that had many Muslims on campus. Universities are atypical, of course, but I must say: I only once saw a Muslim behave badly. Students, professors, spouses: with remarkable consistency, they were pleasant, considerate and courteous. They were certainly better behaved than the Chinese.

    I tangentially mention philo-/anti-Semitism only because almost all negative impressions of Muslims that have reached me have come via media controlled by, well, you know. Maybe Muslims burn cars in France and maybe they don't, but the media image of them as car-burners just contradicts what I seem to see with my own eyes. So I don't quite know what to believe.

    It's funny that you should have kidded me about being Iranian, incidentally. I'm not, of course, but I'll tell you what: except for Canadians, I find Iranians to be the most amenable foreigners in the entire world. They're just great people in my limited experience.

    Regarding English as a second language:


    While crude basics [of English] may be easy to acquire....
     
    That's what I should have said.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @A123

    I only once saw a Muslim behave badly.

    I should have said, “white Muslim.” Black Muslims broadly seem to act like black people. Regarding Pakistanis and other nonwhites from further east, my experience is too limited to afford an impression.

    No one cares what I think, anyway. I merely state the reason for my own doubts in connection with your post.

  157. @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    Lower numbers and fear of repatriation (e.g. Turkish Gulen-ites) keeps the horror of Islam temporarily under control, however this is in no way assimilation.
     
    I do not disagree with a word of this. All I meant to do was to express ignorance as to why, on the whole, France, Germany and Britain seem to suffer worse from Muslim deassimilation than the U.S. does at the present time.

    I don't want to delve back into philo-/anti-Semitism with you today if I can help it, but (as you probably know) I worked ten years at a U.S. university that had many Muslims on campus. Universities are atypical, of course, but I must say: I only once saw a Muslim behave badly. Students, professors, spouses: with remarkable consistency, they were pleasant, considerate and courteous. They were certainly better behaved than the Chinese.

    I tangentially mention philo-/anti-Semitism only because almost all negative impressions of Muslims that have reached me have come via media controlled by, well, you know. Maybe Muslims burn cars in France and maybe they don't, but the media image of them as car-burners just contradicts what I seem to see with my own eyes. So I don't quite know what to believe.

    It's funny that you should have kidded me about being Iranian, incidentally. I'm not, of course, but I'll tell you what: except for Canadians, I find Iranians to be the most amenable foreigners in the entire world. They're just great people in my limited experience.

    Regarding English as a second language:


    While crude basics [of English] may be easy to acquire....
     
    That's what I should have said.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @A123

    Gates of Vienna offers frequent link round ups where the contributors highlight European incompetence at protecting Christians from Muslim oppression (in addition to other issues).

    https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/12/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-12-20-2020/

    This may have significant appeal to you as a regular resource. It more specifically Christian and is rarely tied up in the matters that cause the two of us conflict.

    All I meant to do was to express ignorance as to why, on the whole, France, Germany and Britain seem to suffer worse from Muslim deassimilation than the U.S. does at the present time.

    Not the whole story, however the big 3 for with the U.S. fares better are:
    -1- % of Population
    -2- Quality of Migrants
    -3- Government Acceptance & Concealment
    ____

    #1 — Population

    — France & Sweden are ~9% Muslim
    — Germany and UK ~5%.
    — U.S. ~ 1%

    In the U.S., Islam has a very limited political presence mostly concentrated in specific pockets. The most well known politicians are believed to be rather extreme even by their own party. What little impact they have is usually by proxy and often disguised. U.S. Muslims exploit “useful idiot” groups that are theoretically Christian or Jewish while actually serving sharia Islam and opposing Biblical values.

    At the 5% and especially at 10% organized Islam becomes aggressive in their own name in addition to U.S. style stealth offensives. European Muslims wield politics to intentionally damage Christianity. For example, intolerant Islam tries to shutdown Oktoberfest every year because “Alcohol Offends Them”. They have also used political power and court suits to gain special rights at the expense of Christians.
    ____

    #2 — Quality of Migrants

    The U.S. mostly gets families and professionals. They have higher IQ’s and arrive legally. As individuals, these are the least prone to immediate physical combat. Purely random violence while possible is not common.

    Europe gets combat aged males. Mostly illegals and faux refugees. Lower IQ’s and no families to reign in their worst behaviours. The danger of random violence and criminal/gang violence is high. Because they have sufficient numbers to stay in culturally isolated groups, assimilation is rare bordering on non-existent.

    The large illegal flows cover the movement mostly Iranian funded, terrorists and agitators. This presents very organized, trained, and armed threats such as the Bataclan assault. The worst ideological extremes have thoroughly penetrated the European communities. In France, a school teacher was murdered and the local, Chechnya origin, Muslim community celebrated the crime.
    ____

    #3 — Government Acceptance & Concealment

    In the U.S. name, picture, and other details are immediately & publicly available for almost every arrest. While not 100%, one can usually identify the religious group of the arestee by name. When is the last time you heard of a Muslim named Yosel Goldberg? I suspect you would be willing to place a fairly accurate bet on Yosel’s religion (or at least his parents religion).

    European laws routinely cover up names and ethnicities of criminals as a matter of course. It leaks out with high profile cases, like the Muslim Child Sex gang in Rotherham. However, in ordinary criminal reporting the system intentionally hides the direct link between illegal migration into Europe and shocking crimes committed by those illegals. The media part by rule and part by choice collaborate with the government to prevent accountability.

    Most European countries permit (possibly encourage) “no-go” zones where local and national law enforcement are not permitted to enter without a specific mission and plan. France has over 700 Muslim-only, violently anti-Christian “neighborhoods”. Think of the U.S. CHAZ fiasco multiplied by 1000, except with semi-effective Islamic Warlords running bantustan state-lets. And, because public assistance is overly generous in the EU, these fiefdoms have sufficient cash to keep running.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @A123


    -1- % of Population
    -2- Quality of Migrants
    -3- Government Acceptance & Concealment
     
    1 and 2 are absolutely true. The U.S. has a lower fraction of Muslim immigrants and their selection quality is often very high (that's the case even with non-Muslim immigrants from South Asia - we get doctors and IT specialists while Europe often gets the dregs).

    And that leads to why that is so and the third factor. It's not just "government acceptance." The United States plainly has (or had) a much more assimilating and welcoming culture. We had civic nationalism - of blending different kinds of Europeans - that was extended to non-Europeans as well. So the different environments create different self-selections among immigrants themselves.

    Again, this is not just with Muslims and South Asians.

    In the 1960's and 70's, there was substantial Korean emigration to West Germany* (men for mining and women for nursing), just as there was to the United States (though in the U.S. the peak was in the early to mid 1980's). Most emigres to Germany eventually returned, however, whereas those to the U.S. stayed and where their children intermarried with natives in large numbers. Clearly the different environments played a large role in self-selection by the migrants.

    *There is even a town in South Korea that seeks to mimic Germany for those returned emigrants who miss Germany:

    https://youtu.be/_ODWMc4AZTs
  158. @dfordoom
    @Twinkie



    So is it selfishness among younger Koreans
     
    I think that’s right.

    Burke famously wrote of society as a partnership that is all-consuming, that is, demanding of all “science” and social rigor, as well as a an agreement among the dead, the living, and the yet to be born. Younger Koreans are essentially breaking that social contract and acting as mechanistic director utilitarian animals that seek pleasure and avoid pain – “Let’s us enjoy the now and what happens to the society after we are gone is not our concern.”
     
    I agree. And that kind of thinking is rife throughout the developed world. So why have East Asian nations suffered from this to an even greater degree than Europeans?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie

    So why have East Asian nations suffered from this to an even greater degree than Europeans?

    If I were to hazard a guess or two, it would be because developed East Asian countries have higher population densities and are much more competitive societies where rearing children is considered extremely expensive and onerous. South Korea, for example, has very low cost formal educational system (their universities are bargains compared to those in the U.S.), but, at the same time, it has the highest per capita private household spending (as a fraction of income) in the entire world. Almost all South Korean families put their children under one form or another of private tutoring to increase their academic chances.

    As a side comment, it’s really fascinating (at least to me) how South Koreans – reputedly people with one of the highest national IQ averages in the world- have an extremely egalitarian instincts regarding intelligence (a thought tendency also shared by Asian-Americans). They often seem to think that most people can “become smarter” and can succeed if they just tried and worked harder. They seem to believe in the idea of “throwing good money after bad,” i.e. trying to improve the academic successes of less intelligent students by getting them to work harder (and getting more attention from teachers) as American educrats and blank-slaters.

  159. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie

    Your program would largely solve the problem:


    So I am an immigration-restrictionist, because immigration no longer serves the broad swathes of the existing American citizenry (and our children).
     
    Everything else would work itself out over time. Not that restricting immigration would make Americans wiser or more virtuous: it wouldn't. But it would allow American citizens badly needed time to find their niches of contentment and to settle into productive lives, without persistent outside disruption, within a United States that—after all—still possesses tremendous natural resources and vast spaces.

    Americans have had the very good luck that east Asian and mestizo immigrants—which (I believe) have constituted the majority during the past 50 years—are more assimilable than the kinds of immigrants Europe has been getting. For reasons that are unclear to me, even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).

    It's time to take advantage of the good luck. Unfortunately, the (apparently) incoming Biden administration seems intent on doing the opposite, so we'll see what happens.

    Replies: @A123, @dfordoom, @dfordoom, @Twinkie

    Americans have had the very good luck that east Asian and mestizo immigrants—which (I believe) have constituted the majority during the past 50 years—are more assimilable than the kinds of immigrants Europe has been getting. For reasons that are unclear to me, even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.

    The United States has had, indeed, more assimilable cohorts of immigrants than Western Europe, though it appears that the elites in the U.S. are determined to reverse this trend with multiculturalism and other self-serving ideas.

    However, we should note that the assimilating tendencies have not been uniformly distributed among immigrants in the U.S.:

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).

    I happen to think that American English is the best language in the world, because of its exquisitely and richly layered history (Germanic origin, Latin and Greek superstrates, later acquisitions from elsewhere via imperialism, colonization, and global trade) as well as its many “exceptions” and an astoundingly large vocabulary, but those exact factors make it a very difficult language to master for people who do not come from Western European countries.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie


    ... those exact factors make [English] a very difficult language to master for people who do not come from Western European countries.
     
    I see. You are probably right about mastery.

    It's just that when you hear, say, an Arab and a Slav transacting business in broken English, it's pretty funny; and yet the two of them still somehow manage to complete their business, via improbable pronunciations, without ever conveying the impression that either of them had paid much attention during his school English lessons.


    The United States plainly has (or had) a much more assimilating and welcoming culture. We had civic nationalism – of blending different kinds of Europeans – that was extended to non-Europeans as well.
     
    I find it ironic ...

    After “literally”, is “ironic” the most misapplied word in the English language? —AE
     
    I mean, I literally find it ironic that among all the regulars in this blog, it is you, @nebulafox and @Talha that are most able to hear my prowhite message without burdening the message with imaginary externalities.

    White people have interests.

    That's it. It's not very complicated.

    Not that one expects you, @nebulafox or @Talha to do anything in particular about white people's interests. You did not make, do not willfully exacerbate, and stand in a poor position to address the problem. My message is meant for mad whites and, as you are well aware, substantially implicates a certain, instigating, Talmudical rabble. (So has the U.S. now a conflict of madwhites versus badwhites? There's a nice deplorablism for you.)

    I do not know how destructible the assimilating and welcoming culture to which you refer is. The culture is strong and robust, but of course I agree with you: our leaders ought to stop abusing it.

    Incidentally, I realize that @Talha is not unlikely white. We lack a good, short word that in the present American context distinguishes between terminees like me and persons like @Talha who, in my place, far from being terminated, would hardly have been admonished. The only generally accepted word is “white.”

    Replies: @Twinkie

  160. @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Gates of Vienna offers frequent link round ups where the contributors highlight European incompetence at protecting Christians from Muslim oppression (in addition to other issues).

    https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/12/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-12-20-2020/

    This may have significant appeal to you as a regular resource. It more specifically Christian and is rarely tied up in the matters that cause the two of us conflict.


    All I meant to do was to express ignorance as to why, on the whole, France, Germany and Britain seem to suffer worse from Muslim deassimilation than the U.S. does at the present time.
     
    Not the whole story, however the big 3 for with the U.S. fares better are:
    -1- % of Population
    -2- Quality of Migrants
    -3- Government Acceptance & Concealment
    ____

    #1 -- Population

    -- France & Sweden are ~9% Muslim
    -- Germany and UK ~5%.
    -- U.S. ~ 1%

    In the U.S., Islam has a very limited political presence mostly concentrated in specific pockets. The most well known politicians are believed to be rather extreme even by their own party. What little impact they have is usually by proxy and often disguised. U.S. Muslims exploit "useful idiot" groups that are theoretically Christian or Jewish while actually serving sharia Islam and opposing Biblical values.

    At the 5% and especially at 10% organized Islam becomes aggressive in their own name in addition to U.S. style stealth offensives. European Muslims wield politics to intentionally damage Christianity. For example, intolerant Islam tries to shutdown Oktoberfest every year because "Alcohol Offends Them". They have also used political power and court suits to gain special rights at the expense of Christians.
    ____

    #2 -- Quality of Migrants

    The U.S. mostly gets families and professionals. They have higher IQ's and arrive legally. As individuals, these are the least prone to immediate physical combat. Purely random violence while possible is not common.

    Europe gets combat aged males. Mostly illegals and faux refugees. Lower IQ's and no families to reign in their worst behaviours. The danger of random violence and criminal/gang violence is high. Because they have sufficient numbers to stay in culturally isolated groups, assimilation is rare bordering on non-existent.

    The large illegal flows cover the movement mostly Iranian funded, terrorists and agitators. This presents very organized, trained, and armed threats such as the Bataclan assault. The worst ideological extremes have thoroughly penetrated the European communities. In France, a school teacher was murdered and the local, Chechnya origin, Muslim community celebrated the crime.
    ____

    #3 -- Government Acceptance & Concealment

    In the U.S. name, picture, and other details are immediately & publicly available for almost every arrest. While not 100%, one can usually identify the religious group of the arestee by name. When is the last time you heard of a Muslim named Yosel Goldberg? I suspect you would be willing to place a fairly accurate bet on Yosel's religion (or at least his parents religion).

    European laws routinely cover up names and ethnicities of criminals as a matter of course. It leaks out with high profile cases, like the Muslim Child Sex gang in Rotherham. However, in ordinary criminal reporting the system intentionally hides the direct link between illegal migration into Europe and shocking crimes committed by those illegals. The media part by rule and part by choice collaborate with the government to prevent accountability.

    Most European countries permit (possibly encourage) "no-go" zones where local and national law enforcement are not permitted to enter without a specific mission and plan. France has over 700 Muslim-only, violently anti-Christian "neighborhoods". Think of the U.S. CHAZ fiasco multiplied by 1000, except with semi-effective Islamic Warlords running bantustan state-lets. And, because public assistance is overly generous in the EU, these fiefdoms have sufficient cash to keep running.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Twinkie

    -1- % of Population
    -2- Quality of Migrants
    -3- Government Acceptance & Concealment

    1 and 2 are absolutely true. The U.S. has a lower fraction of Muslim immigrants and their selection quality is often very high (that’s the case even with non-Muslim immigrants from South Asia – we get doctors and IT specialists while Europe often gets the dregs).

    And that leads to why that is so and the third factor. It’s not just “government acceptance.” The United States plainly has (or had) a much more assimilating and welcoming culture. We had civic nationalism – of blending different kinds of Europeans – that was extended to non-Europeans as well. So the different environments create different self-selections among immigrants themselves.

    Again, this is not just with Muslims and South Asians.

    In the 1960’s and 70’s, there was substantial Korean emigration to West Germany* (men for mining and women for nursing), just as there was to the United States (though in the U.S. the peak was in the early to mid 1980’s). Most emigres to Germany eventually returned, however, whereas those to the U.S. stayed and where their children intermarried with natives in large numbers. Clearly the different environments played a large role in self-selection by the migrants.

    *There is even a town in South Korea that seeks to mimic Germany for those returned emigrants who miss Germany:

  161. @Some Guy
    If Mitch is the senate majority leader, can he just prevent bills from getting a vote, or how does that work? In that case, Romney can't betray the party.

    Replies: @DanHessinMD, @Audacious Epigone

    Sure, but most of the damage comes through massive bills like the $900b stimulus and the $2 trillion budget. McConnell can’t stop judicial and cabinet appointments either.

  162. @anon
    @Audacious Epigone

    I wasn’t aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase

    Don't you even search, bro? First non-advertising entry.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=samson+option&t=brave&ia=web

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    If memory serves, I first came across the phrase in something Pat Buchanan wrote and assumed it was biblical in origin. Which, of course, it is.

  163. @A123
    @Audacious Epigone


    I wasn’t aware of the relatively contemporary Israeli military usage of the phrase. I meant it as a literary reference to the biblical Samson.
     
    My apologies.

    There is a great deal of deranged anger on UR against Palestinian Jews who have the temerity to live the Jewish homeland of Judea & Samaria. As such, the modern usages expressed by Palestinian Jews and non-Palestinian Muslims appear frequently on the site.
    ___

    Given that the Fake Stream Media [FSM] is Trump's true foe, he could use a Biblical Samson Option against them by seizing those corporations with eminent domain, and selling them to more rational owners. Though, if he wants to go down that path, it is a bit late.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Audacious Epigone

    No apology necessary. It’s a little embarrassing that I wasn’t aware of the recent history of the phrase given that Seymour Hersh wrote a book with the title.

  164. @nebulafox
    @Audacious Epigone

    Hey, live and learn. Take it in stride.

    For what it is worth, the Israelis got Edward Teller himself to advise them on nuclear tech, so I do not think they ever needed to test their nukes to know they worked. Non-denial denials aside.

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

    Thanks. I knew Israel had nukes, of course.

  165. @Johann Ricke
    @V. K. Ovelund


    personally, I find it *ironic* that some commenters would hate someone like me more for being soft on Romney than for being soft on Hitler.
     
    I think the dictionary definition of "ironic" precludes its use in this context at Unz. The word you're looking for is IMHO a synonym for "predictable".

    Replies: @A123, @Audacious Epigone

    After “literally”, is “ironic” the most misapplied word in the English language? Isn’t it ironic that only one situation in the song actually depicts irony?

    Arguably yes, yes it is ironic. But it is dramatic irony.

  166. @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Americans have had the very good luck that east Asian and mestizo immigrants—which (I believe) have constituted the majority during the past 50 years—are more assimilable than the kinds of immigrants Europe has been getting. For reasons that are unclear to me, even American Muslim immigrants seem comparatively assimilable.
     
    The United States has had, indeed, more assimilable cohorts of immigrants than Western Europe, though it appears that the elites in the U.S. are determined to reverse this trend with multiculturalism and other self-serving ideas.

    However, we should note that the assimilating tendencies have not been uniformly distributed among immigrants in the U.S.:

    http://siddiqueblogs.weebly.com/uploads/4/0/2/9/40298843/938237969.gif

    Americans also have the good luck to speak English, which though not a very precise language is fairly easy to assimilate (so long as one is not too particular as to how it is pronounced).
     
    I happen to think that American English is the best language in the world, because of its exquisitely and richly layered history (Germanic origin, Latin and Greek superstrates, later acquisitions from elsewhere via imperialism, colonization, and global trade) as well as its many "exceptions" and an astoundingly large vocabulary, but those exact factors make it a very difficult language to master for people who do not come from Western European countries.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    … those exact factors make [English] a very difficult language to master for people who do not come from Western European countries.

    I see. You are probably right about mastery.

    It’s just that when you hear, say, an Arab and a Slav transacting business in broken English, it’s pretty funny; and yet the two of them still somehow manage to complete their business, via improbable pronunciations, without ever conveying the impression that either of them had paid much attention during his school English lessons.

    The United States plainly has (or had) a much more assimilating and welcoming culture. We had civic nationalism – of blending different kinds of Europeans – that was extended to non-Europeans as well.

    I find it ironic …

    After “literally”, is “ironic” the most misapplied word in the English language? —AE

    I mean, I literally find it ironic that among all the regulars in this blog, it is you, and that are most able to hear my prowhite message without burdening the message with imaginary externalities.

    White people have interests.

    That’s it. It’s not very complicated.

    Not that one expects you, or to do anything in particular about white people’s interests. You did not make, do not willfully exacerbate, and stand in a poor position to address the problem. My message is meant for mad whites and, as you are well aware, substantially implicates a certain, instigating, Talmudical rabble. (So has the U.S. now a conflict of madwhites versus badwhites? There’s a nice deplorablism for you.)

    I do not know how destructible the assimilating and welcoming culture to which you refer is. The culture is strong and robust, but of course I agree with you: our leaders ought to stop abusing it.

    Incidentally, I realize that is not unlikely white. We lack a good, short word that in the present American context distinguishes between terminees like me and persons like who, in my place, far from being terminated, would hardly have been admonished. The only generally accepted word is “white.”

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I literally find it ironic that among all the regulars in this blog, it is you, @nebulafox and @Talha that are most able to hear my prowhite message without burdening the message with imaginary externalities.
     
    You ought not to find it all that ironic. In the first place, there is the issue of a principle. I subscribe to the ideal of justice - that people ought to be judged for their actions, not who they are and certainly not for their ancestry or phenotype. So I oppose people being marginalized for their race or ethnicity, whether they are white, black, Hispanic or Asian. Blaming whites as a whole for some perceived "social injustice" is wrong, period, and I oppose such group demonization vociferously.

    Secondly, I am personally involved in the current fracas. My wife is white. Her family and relatives are white. My children are half-white.* Most of my friends are white. These are people I love and for whom I would gladly give my life - I will certainly not stand for their marginalization and demonization. Or, for that matter, as a gun-toting, rightist, Christian middle-aged male, I am not going to be spared by the would-be political re-educators, just because I am ethnically East Asian.

    *Although my children are half-"nonwhite," that will not protect them when the Woke mob comes for them. They will be seen to be white enough for persecution, especially given their likely philosophical and religious affiliations.

    distinguishes between terminees like me and persons like @Talha who, in my place, far from being terminated, would hardly have been admonished.
     
    Talha is likely a dark-skinned Muslim from Pakistan, so he probably gets a few more Wokemon points than I or you do, but even so, I don't think he would be immune from attention from the Woke if he were to publicly profess political impieties.

    Race and ethnicity are often cited by the Left as reasons for their activities, but I tend to think they are justifications, not the real ends. I see the current ideological conflict in the U.S. as largely a white people civil war, in which one side is using black/brown and sexual deviant foederati as cudgels, with which to beat their enemies.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  167. @Some Guy
    @Audacious Epigone

    If things blow up, are we better off with the Dems having total control of the federal government?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    If things blow up, the federal government isn’t going to be able to hold things together.

  168. @A123
    @Twinkie


    That said, the phrase “Judeo-Christian” is an early 20th century invention that was designed to be inclusive toward the only non-Christian minority in the United States. Nowadays, a similarly inclusive phrase is “Abrahamic” (faiths), with a nod toward Islam as well. But “Judeo-Christian” is definitionally a term that is, at best, muddy and, at worst, deceptive and incorrect.
     
    You are allowing yourself to be distracted by short-term considerations. It makes more sense if you start with basics and fundamentals.

    -- The core tenant of Islam is: Jihad, the extermination and subjugation of all Infidels

    -- The term “Abrahamic” faiths is never appropriate as it co-mingles enemies of God (the followers of Lucifer/Allah/Satan) with those who follow God (Jews and Christians).

    -- The term Infidel has negative connotations, and is thus usually unacceptable for self appellation.

    -- The term Judeo-Christian is a highly appropriate & precise term for those who follow God. It is in no way muddy, deceptive, or incorrect. It also has positive connotations making it more suitable for self appellation.

    Using the term Judeo-Christian does not favour Jews or Christians. It instead helps maintain the necessary unity of self-defense in the face of an implacable enemy. Only those who favour the sequential extermination of Infidels have something to gain by trying to break the unbreakable bond of God (identified by the term Judeo-Christian).
    ____

    In a related topic, that may clarify the above, there is an identification problem with:

    -- Non-Christian Churches Against God.
    -- Non-Jewish Synagogues Against God.

    Instead of using a broad brush against millions of Jews, I urge you to look more closely at the alignment of individuals. A tiny number of "Non-Jewish Jews" attending "Syangogues Against God" create almost all of the SJW Globalist Elite problems. It makes no sense to blame Jews who believe in God for misbehaviour by "Synagogues Against God". In fact, it blocks cooperation with the potential ally that has the most to gain by stopping the bad actors.

    There is a similar issue with "Non-Christian Christians" like Emmanuel Macron and Mutti Mullah Merkel who serve Satan/Allah/Lucifer and are frequently mis-identified as Christian.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

    It seems gratuitous to keep explicitly treating “Allah” and “Lucifer” as synonyms. The readership has a handle on where you’re coming from. Would you mind cutting it out?

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @A123
    @Audacious Epigone


    It seems gratuitous to keep explicitly treating “Allah” and “Lucifer” as synonyms. The readership has a handle on where you’re coming from. Would you mind cutting it out?
     
    AE,

    A number of posters here keep making gratuitous attacks on the Judeo-Christian belief in God. For example "nebulafox" posted this up at #79:

    >Judeo-Christian values.

    Neocon nonsense
     
    Would you please place them under the same warning to stop their senseless, gratuitous, and highly inflammatory behaviour?

    If you can stop the gratuitous root cause offense by others, I will not have to explain why Jews & Christians are irrevocably & inexorably linked together in the eternal struggle of Good versus Evil.

    Thanks.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @anon

  169. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Twinkie


    ... those exact factors make [English] a very difficult language to master for people who do not come from Western European countries.
     
    I see. You are probably right about mastery.

    It's just that when you hear, say, an Arab and a Slav transacting business in broken English, it's pretty funny; and yet the two of them still somehow manage to complete their business, via improbable pronunciations, without ever conveying the impression that either of them had paid much attention during his school English lessons.


    The United States plainly has (or had) a much more assimilating and welcoming culture. We had civic nationalism – of blending different kinds of Europeans – that was extended to non-Europeans as well.
     
    I find it ironic ...

    After “literally”, is “ironic” the most misapplied word in the English language? —AE
     
    I mean, I literally find it ironic that among all the regulars in this blog, it is you, @nebulafox and @Talha that are most able to hear my prowhite message without burdening the message with imaginary externalities.

    White people have interests.

    That's it. It's not very complicated.

    Not that one expects you, @nebulafox or @Talha to do anything in particular about white people's interests. You did not make, do not willfully exacerbate, and stand in a poor position to address the problem. My message is meant for mad whites and, as you are well aware, substantially implicates a certain, instigating, Talmudical rabble. (So has the U.S. now a conflict of madwhites versus badwhites? There's a nice deplorablism for you.)

    I do not know how destructible the assimilating and welcoming culture to which you refer is. The culture is strong and robust, but of course I agree with you: our leaders ought to stop abusing it.

    Incidentally, I realize that @Talha is not unlikely white. We lack a good, short word that in the present American context distinguishes between terminees like me and persons like @Talha who, in my place, far from being terminated, would hardly have been admonished. The only generally accepted word is “white.”

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I literally find it ironic that among all the regulars in this blog, it is you, and that are most able to hear my prowhite message without burdening the message with imaginary externalities.

    You ought not to find it all that ironic. In the first place, there is the issue of a principle. I subscribe to the ideal of justice – that people ought to be judged for their actions, not who they are and certainly not for their ancestry or phenotype. So I oppose people being marginalized for their race or ethnicity, whether they are white, black, Hispanic or Asian. Blaming whites as a whole for some perceived “social injustice” is wrong, period, and I oppose such group demonization vociferously.

    Secondly, I am personally involved in the current fracas. My wife is white. Her family and relatives are white. My children are half-white.* Most of my friends are white. These are people I love and for whom I would gladly give my life – I will certainly not stand for their marginalization and demonization. Or, for that matter, as a gun-toting, rightist, Christian middle-aged male, I am not going to be spared by the would-be political re-educators, just because I am ethnically East Asian.

    *Although my children are half-“nonwhite,” that will not protect them when the Woke mob comes for them. They will be seen to be white enough for persecution, especially given their likely philosophical and religious affiliations.

    distinguishes between terminees like me and persons like who, in my place, far from being terminated, would hardly have been admonished.

    Talha is likely a dark-skinned Muslim from Pakistan, so he probably gets a few more Wokemon points than I or you do, but even so, I don’t think he would be immune from attention from the Woke if he were to publicly profess political impieties.

    Race and ethnicity are often cited by the Left as reasons for their activities, but I tend to think they are justifications, not the real ends. I see the current ideological conflict in the U.S. as largely a white people civil war, in which one side is using black/brown and sexual deviant foederati as cudgels, with which to beat their enemies.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    Race and ethnicity are often cited by the Left as reasons for their activities, but I tend to think they are justifications, not the real ends. I see the current ideological conflict in the U.S. as largely a white people civil war, in which one side is using black/brown and sexual deviant foederati as cudgels, with which to beat their enemies.
     
    I think you're largely correct on that point.
  170. @Audacious Epigone
    @A123

    It seems gratuitous to keep explicitly treating "Allah" and "Lucifer" as synonyms. The readership has a handle on where you're coming from. Would you mind cutting it out?

    Replies: @A123

    It seems gratuitous to keep explicitly treating “Allah” and “Lucifer” as synonyms. The readership has a handle on where you’re coming from. Would you mind cutting it out?

    AE,

    A number of posters here keep making gratuitous attacks on the Judeo-Christian belief in God. For example “nebulafox” posted this up at #79:

    >Judeo-Christian values.

    Neocon nonsense

    Would you please place them under the same warning to stop their senseless, gratuitous, and highly inflammatory behaviour?

    If you can stop the gratuitous root cause offense by others, I will not have to explain why Jews & Christians are irrevocably & inexorably linked together in the eternal struggle of Good versus Evil.

    Thanks.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @anon
    @A123

    "Judeo-Christian", as explained to you before, is fake. It is no more real than "Islamo-Christian" or "Sikh-Christian" or "Atheist-Christian" or "$cientology-Christian".

    Equating belief in God with accepting the fake term "Judeo-Christian" is a very bad idea on your part. If you'd ever read Deuteronomy it would be obvious why that is so.

  171. anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123
    @Audacious Epigone


    It seems gratuitous to keep explicitly treating “Allah” and “Lucifer” as synonyms. The readership has a handle on where you’re coming from. Would you mind cutting it out?
     
    AE,

    A number of posters here keep making gratuitous attacks on the Judeo-Christian belief in God. For example "nebulafox" posted this up at #79:

    >Judeo-Christian values.

    Neocon nonsense
     
    Would you please place them under the same warning to stop their senseless, gratuitous, and highly inflammatory behaviour?

    If you can stop the gratuitous root cause offense by others, I will not have to explain why Jews & Christians are irrevocably & inexorably linked together in the eternal struggle of Good versus Evil.

    Thanks.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @anon

    “Judeo-Christian”, as explained to you before, is fake. It is no more real than “Islamo-Christian” or “Sikh-Christian” or “Atheist-Christian” or “$cientology-Christian”.

    Equating belief in God with accepting the fake term “Judeo-Christian” is a very bad idea on your part. If you’d ever read Deuteronomy it would be obvious why that is so.

  172. @Twinkie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I literally find it ironic that among all the regulars in this blog, it is you, @nebulafox and @Talha that are most able to hear my prowhite message without burdening the message with imaginary externalities.
     
    You ought not to find it all that ironic. In the first place, there is the issue of a principle. I subscribe to the ideal of justice - that people ought to be judged for their actions, not who they are and certainly not for their ancestry or phenotype. So I oppose people being marginalized for their race or ethnicity, whether they are white, black, Hispanic or Asian. Blaming whites as a whole for some perceived "social injustice" is wrong, period, and I oppose such group demonization vociferously.

    Secondly, I am personally involved in the current fracas. My wife is white. Her family and relatives are white. My children are half-white.* Most of my friends are white. These are people I love and for whom I would gladly give my life - I will certainly not stand for their marginalization and demonization. Or, for that matter, as a gun-toting, rightist, Christian middle-aged male, I am not going to be spared by the would-be political re-educators, just because I am ethnically East Asian.

    *Although my children are half-"nonwhite," that will not protect them when the Woke mob comes for them. They will be seen to be white enough for persecution, especially given their likely philosophical and religious affiliations.

    distinguishes between terminees like me and persons like @Talha who, in my place, far from being terminated, would hardly have been admonished.
     
    Talha is likely a dark-skinned Muslim from Pakistan, so he probably gets a few more Wokemon points than I or you do, but even so, I don't think he would be immune from attention from the Woke if he were to publicly profess political impieties.

    Race and ethnicity are often cited by the Left as reasons for their activities, but I tend to think they are justifications, not the real ends. I see the current ideological conflict in the U.S. as largely a white people civil war, in which one side is using black/brown and sexual deviant foederati as cudgels, with which to beat their enemies.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Race and ethnicity are often cited by the Left as reasons for their activities, but I tend to think they are justifications, not the real ends. I see the current ideological conflict in the U.S. as largely a white people civil war, in which one side is using black/brown and sexual deviant foederati as cudgels, with which to beat their enemies.

    I think you’re largely correct on that point.

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