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American Indians often go unmentioned in our now ceaseless lectures on racial diversity, inclusion, and equity. Their insufficient enthusiasm for the cultural revolution is presumably one big reason why:

Some 447 American Indians participated in the 2018 Cooperative Congressional Election Study, so these results aren’t distorted on account of a small sample size.

American Indian numbers can’t grow through immigration like Hispanics, Africans, and Asians can. Even more than for whites, immigration means a decline in American Indian cultural and political clout, salience, and influence. Centuries of immigration–or invasion, as many understandably perceive it–has utterly disenfranchised them, and continues to do so today.

A charismatic American Indian populist standing up for middle America–the ultimate nativist, he might jokingly refer to himself as–could go far. Unfettered immigration is bad for natives, take it from me. Cultural erasure is tragic. Leave the Redskins and Colonel Reb alone. Seminoles, Cowboys, Braves, Patriots–these beloved names are integral pieces of our social fabric. We must not cancel who we are.

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  1. Huh. Imagine a republican native american candidate. I’d say that would cause infinite butthurt on the dem side. All their arguments dead in the water

    • Agree: Ash Williams, Realist
    • Replies: @SFG
    @Svevlad

    https://indiancountrytoday.com/opinion/the-case-for-being-native-american-and-republican-ZTNtRss6k0OohQHEeOZk7A

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Svevlad

    https://twitter.com/JayFiveK/

    https://twitter.com/JayFiveK/status/1303832766304391168

    In their Rainbow Coalition enthusiasm, leftists often miss that Red Men and Rednecks have an enormous amount in common.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Svevlad


    Huh. Imagine a [R]epublican native american candidate.
     
    Worked in the past:

    This Man was the United States’ First and Only Native American Vice President

    Charles Curtis of Kansas becomes the first Native American elected to the U.S. Senate

    Charles Curtis, 31st Vice President (1929-1933)

    Kansapedia: Charles Curtis


    I’d say that would cause infinite butthurt on the dem side. All their arguments dead in the water.
     
    Nah. They'd just label him an "apple". They have no shame.

    As a Vice President who lost reelection, Curtis had to read off his insufficient electoral count in the Senate, as did Richard Nixon, Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale, Dan Quayle, and Al Gore. James Schoolcraft Sherman, who earned only an embarrassing eight electors in 1912, got out of this sad duty by dying.

  2. I’m less pleasantly surprised by the Native American responses than I am profoundly alarmed by the White American responses. A near-century of Triple Parentheses firmly in charge of education and media have left roughly half of us raceless and godless, fit only to do our betters’ heavy lifting for them on the sabbath. What a revoltin’ development this is.

    • Replies: @Ash Williams
    @Ragno


    A near-century of Triple Parentheses firmly in charge of education and media have left roughly half of us raceless and godless,
     
    True, although that seems to be reversing.

    fit only to do our betters’ heavy lifting for them on the sabbath.
     
    Ironic that their attempting to achieve the former prohibits the latter, no?
  3. “A charismatic American Indian populist standing up for middle America”

    He existed. His name was David Yeagley a.k.a. Bad Eagle. He verbally smacked Bill O’Reilly around on national TV. He’s dead.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @vok3

    Was he also the last person to ever graduate from Oberlin and Yale and be a conservative?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @vok3

    Thank you, Vok3. That didn't come to me till you mentioned it. He wrote some very good articles that were featured on VDare. (I don't know if officially worked for VDare, or was just syndicated on there.)

    I'll give a try at finding a video of that verbal slap at O'Reilly too. I never saw that. Thanks for that too.

  4. @Svevlad
    Huh. Imagine a republican native american candidate. I'd say that would cause infinite butthurt on the dem side. All their arguments dead in the water

    Replies: @SFG, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar

  5. Don’t have to imagine:

    https://indiancountrytoday.com/opinion/the-case-for-being-native-american-and-republican-ZTNtRss6k0OohQHEeOZk7A

    Honestly, it makes sense. A lot of Native Americans are still rural and live in red states, so they would benefit from GOP government for that reason. Also, the immigration thing is pretty funny–of course Native Americans would be suspicious of immigration, look what happened to them!

    I love AE’s cartoon because it makes the opposite argument that it’s supposed to.

    Intended argument: It’s hypocritical to criticize immigrants because we did the same thing to the Native Americans.
    Unintentional argument: Well, liberals say we did the same thing to the Native Americans…but look what happened to them! Do we want the same thing to happen to us?

  6. @Ragno
    I'm less pleasantly surprised by the Native American responses than I am profoundly alarmed by the White American responses. A near-century of Triple Parentheses firmly in charge of education and media have left roughly half of us raceless and godless, fit only to do our betters' heavy lifting for them on the sabbath. What a revoltin' development this is.

    Replies: @Ash Williams

    A near-century of Triple Parentheses firmly in charge of education and media have left roughly half of us raceless and godless,

    True, although that seems to be reversing.

    fit only to do our betters’ heavy lifting for them on the sabbath.

    Ironic that their attempting to achieve the former prohibits the latter, no?

  7. Hey, cowboys and indians on the same team – who’d a thunk?

    • Replies: @Me in 2020
    @usNthem

    But hispanics and natives aren't on the same team.

  8. @Svevlad
    Huh. Imagine a republican native american candidate. I'd say that would cause infinite butthurt on the dem side. All their arguments dead in the water

    Replies: @SFG, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar

    https://twitter.com/JayFiveK/

    In their Rainbow Coalition enthusiasm, leftists often miss that Red Men and Rednecks have an enormous amount in common.

    • Agree: Ash Williams
  9. American Indian numbers can’t grow through immigration like Hispanics, Africans, and Asians can. Even more than for whites, immigration means a decline in American Indian cultural and political clout,

    Excellent point.

    As a group, they no longer have political value. Thus, CNN is even willing to PhotoShop them out of history.

    PEACE 😇
    .

  10. Who knew that American Indians were as smart as the charts imply?

  11. @vok3
    "A charismatic American Indian populist standing up for middle America"

    He existed. His name was David Yeagley a.k.a. Bad Eagle. He verbally smacked Bill O'Reilly around on national TV. He's dead.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Achmed E. Newman

    Was he also the last person to ever graduate from Oberlin and Yale and be a conservative?

  12. After being overly alarmed last time…. I don’t know if I should mention weather again. However, it is better to be safe rather than sorry.

    Hurricane Sally could force storm surge directly into Lake Pontchartrain. And, her extremely slow rate of advance could easily stack surge on top of high tide.

    It is worth watching this storm carefully as small changes in track could heavily impact the outcome.

    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/#19L

    PEACE 😇

  13. o/t

    Optics matter, and the anti-lockdown protestors provided the system with the fig leaf to allow BLM rioting.

    • Replies: @A123
    @216

    Of course, WUHAN-19 shaming is now backfiring on the SJW Globalists...

    https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1304970056246255616?s=20

    SJW Type #1 "Mandatory Masks" vs. SJW Type #2 "Maskless Protesters".

    The Globalist DNC may collapse before Election Day due to SJW vs. SJW schisms.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @216

  14. @216
    o/t

    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1305194330500464641

    Optics matter, and the anti-lockdown protestors provided the system with the fig leaf to allow BLM rioting.

    Replies: @A123

    Of course, WUHAN-19 shaming is now backfiring on the SJW Globalists…

    SJW Type #1 “Mandatory Masks” vs. SJW Type #2 “Maskless Protesters”.

    The Globalist DNC may collapse before Election Day due to SJW vs. SJW schisms.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @216
    @A123

    My point is that there is no "double standard" to point out. Liberals are not hypocrites, they consistently choose the most anti-white option possible.

    We should spend less time pointing out the "double standard" than we should on directing our own site to correctly navigate the rules.

  15. Mexican Americans (and most Latin Americans) are native Americans, native Americans who happened to speak Spanish when they arrived in the USA (but less likely to have a command of Spanish over the generations). I wonder if there ever will be a social/political dawning upon Mexican Americans of this affiliation and that it might be in their interests to forge social/political alliances with North American native Americans?

    For me, the idea that the USA will be overrun by native Americans is a hello of a lot more comforting than that my country will be overrun by Latinos. It’s a matter of style, I guess.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Daniel H

    Mexicans are majority western European (+60%) genetically, and have a sizeable subsaharan African ancestry (5%) that Natives lack.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

  16. @Daniel H
    Mexican Americans (and most Latin Americans) are native Americans, native Americans who happened to speak Spanish when they arrived in the USA (but less likely to have a command of Spanish over the generations). I wonder if there ever will be a social/political dawning upon Mexican Americans of this affiliation and that it might be in their interests to forge social/political alliances with North American native Americans?

    For me, the idea that the USA will be overrun by native Americans is a hello of a lot more comforting than that my country will be overrun by Latinos. It's a matter of style, I guess.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Mexicans are majority western European (+60%) genetically, and have a sizeable subsaharan African ancestry (5%) that Natives lack.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @JohnPlywood

    Mexicans are majority western European (+60%) genetically, and have a sizeable subsaharan African ancestry (5%) that Natives lack.

    Disagree on that. Overall, about 50% of Mexican American ancestry is 50% native American. There are significant sub-populations in Mexico that are 80-100% pure native American. I doubt that Mexicans have anywhere close to 5% African ancestry.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @JohnPlywood

    The typical American Indian has far more European DNA than the average Mexican.

    One recent study on the DNA if Cherokee tribal members found on average they were 95% European.

    23andme has yet to find any American Indians with more than 60% of their DNA being Native American. The average American Indian is less than 40% Native American. This is one reason the tribes all oppose genetic testing

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  17. @A123
    @216

    Of course, WUHAN-19 shaming is now backfiring on the SJW Globalists...

    https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1304970056246255616?s=20

    SJW Type #1 "Mandatory Masks" vs. SJW Type #2 "Maskless Protesters".

    The Globalist DNC may collapse before Election Day due to SJW vs. SJW schisms.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @216

    My point is that there is no “double standard” to point out. Liberals are not hypocrites, they consistently choose the most anti-white option possible.

    We should spend less time pointing out the “double standard” than we should on directing our own site to correctly navigate the rules.

  18. Empirical verification of the cuckservative phenomenon

    • Replies: @Nodwink
    @216

    The only "cuckservatives" are those who still support Trump. It's about time for Trump supporters in the normal IQ range to admit they've been conned.

  19. O/T

    EconomyFirst is the only winning strategy, given that our people have been muzzled on social media, we can’t do anything culturally.

  20. I’m not saying I don’t believe the results, but I wonder who were the Indians they asked and if any were actually white.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @songbird


    I’m not saying I don’t believe the results, but I wonder who were the Indians they asked and if any were actually white.
     
    Full-blooded or even half-blooded American Indians these days are probably a tiny, minuscule fraction of the country. There is a reason why Democrats no longer care about them. They mean nothing electorally except perhaps in the Dakotas where reservation vote shenanigans sometimes sway elections for Democrats (e.g. 2002 Johnson vs. Thune election for the U.S. senate seat in South Dakota where Thune lost by 524 votes).

    Replies: @songbird, @Wency

  21. Sherman Alexis, the Spokane-Coeur d’Alene, author wrote a memoir about his beautiful Native American mother. His mother loved Sarah Palin and would not be swayed from that love.

  22. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m a real live wild Injun in the sense that I am a member of a plains Indian tribe, and, as required for membership, can trace my ancestry back to individuals who were listed on the role of the original members of the Reservation when it was established. That, in fact, is the only way to have membership.
    Most Indians are very proud Americans, intensely patriotic — even when they have been protesting perceived injustices, as did AIM. About one in five Indians has served in the armed forces, largely in combat specialties, unlike some other ethnicities. I have never met an Indian who was pro immigration, pro BLM, pro La Raza, pro CAIR and certainly not pro AIPAC. Just pro American. America is our native land and we don’t want it overwhelmed by foreign invaders who don’t even know we exist, and if they do, don’t care.
    The old white America recognized us as part of the American drama, of the history of the American people. We fought hard over this land, often with no quarter asked or given, no prisoners taken, but when the wars were over, the white man, instead of exterminating us, which he easily could have done, extended his hand in friendship. He put us on his coinage, used Indian symbolism in military imagery and for the names of everything from cars to helicopters. Whites named their children after famous Indians (eg William Tecumseh Sherman).
    American Indians became popular sports heroes (Jim Thorpe), beloved comedians and social commentators (Will Rogers), war heroes (Ernest Evans) and successful politicians (Charles Curtis).
    And, perhaps as the ultimate compliment and acknowledgement of our significance in the history of this country, countless whites with no trace of Indian ancestry have long believed — wanted to believe — that they had an Indian ancestor and would not hesitate to make the claim.
    In the 1939 movie “Midnight,” starring Don Ameche and Claudette Colbert, Colbert plays a penniless American showgirl stranded in Paris who falls in with a collection of European aristocrats. At one point, the Europeans are discussing their various high-class ancestors and one of them asks Colbert who her ancestors were. She replies, “Choctaw and Scotch-Irish!” Being part Indian was a natural and important part of what it was to be an American, at least one of pioneer stock.
    Would any white American have wanted to claim he was part Negro or part Mexican? — Especially if he had no trace of the blood of either in his background.
    Americans also used to care about the welfare of Indians, understanding that they had weaknesses that could be exploited by the unscrupulous. But in this era of “everyone is the same” letting Indians die of alcoholism, drugs and despair is seen as “progressive.” Why would we want to have anything to do with the left, the progressive, the “woke”?

    Montana bar, 1939. WPA photo.

    • Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @Anonymous

    "Part of the American Drama", well said. For good or ill the American people and the plains Indians share a long history, and whatever issues there were or still are between them is there own business and should be settled between themselves.

    Seeing foreign ingrates try to lecture Americans about the plight of the Red Man in service of their globalist ideology makes me sick.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    Excellent comment! Hey, A.E., how 'bout this one for COTW?

    .

    I wanted to add to what you noted about Americans being proud to have Indian blood. Now, it's about Affirmative Action and victimhood (take Squaw Elizabeth Warren, please!), but that wasn't the case 100 or 75 years ago.

    BTW, can you tell me if you've ever read the book Empire of the Summer Moon about the Comanches and the white people of Texas.

    , @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @Anonymous

    Many people’s first experience with Native Americans, if you didn’t grow up in eg AZ/NM/OK, was in the USMC or Army (natives very seldom go AF or Navy. The OP is correct that they seek, and are rewarded in and by, combat arms branches).
    Every N/A I’ve served with has been *stellar*. And that may sound like treacle, but on my honor it’s been true. I’ve tried to think about it: is it an artifact of the small sample size? Is it positive pre-conditioning?
    It’s a very common experience that, after a few beers and a few years, you can get to a point where you ask, “why did you join The Oppression Army to your people?” and you get a look of incomprehension. “I am a badass warrior from a thousand year uninterrupted chain of badass warriors and this outfit honors that and gives me the chance to do what I do best”
    I’d say 50%+ of combat arms people have had that conversation, more or less, and it’s deeply powerful every time.
    Native Americans are perhaps the single most patriotic people I’ve ever come across. Additionally, they genuinely send their very, very best into The Service. The Native who goes to eg Arizona State on a scholly comes back to teach on the res will be a respected and valued addition, the dude who comes back with a CIB and a few ARCOMS will be the hero

    Replies: @Truth

  23. @vok3
    "A charismatic American Indian populist standing up for middle America"

    He existed. His name was David Yeagley a.k.a. Bad Eagle. He verbally smacked Bill O'Reilly around on national TV. He's dead.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you, Vok3. That didn’t come to me till you mentioned it. He wrote some very good articles that were featured on VDare. (I don’t know if officially worked for VDare, or was just syndicated on there.)

    I’ll give a try at finding a video of that verbal slap at O’Reilly too. I never saw that. Thanks for that too.

  24. Mr. Sailer, as you may well know, has brought up the subject of the Indians’ political situation multiple times before, especially regarding the immigration issue. He sees the Red Man’s plight as a century-and-a-half earlier precursor to what will happen to the White Man if something doesn’t turn around real quick.

    What I see is that Americans who realize that the Feral Gov’t of “ours” is a big part of our problem could have a mutually beneficial alliance with the Indians. They still (can) live in their own nations, so to speak, as small as they are. I think we could work with them in using the fact that they aren’t subject to many Federal laws in our favor. What would they get out of it? Maybe they’d get some more respect if they had more clout being allied with the White Man for a change.

    I like those red bars, both for the numbers, which are surprisingly good, and, as usual, because you are saving me from having to go back and forth to the legend.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ohhh, and I didn't even really look at "Middle Easterners". Olive straight outta the Crayola 64-pack. Excellent!

  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    Mr. Sailer, as you may well know, has brought up the subject of the Indians' political situation multiple times before, especially regarding the immigration issue. He sees the Red Man's plight as a century-and-a-half earlier precursor to what will happen to the White Man if something doesn't turn around real quick.

    What I see is that Americans who realize that the Feral Gov't of "ours" is a big part of our problem could have a mutually beneficial alliance with the Indians. They still (can) live in their own nations, so to speak, as small as they are. I think we could work with them in using the fact that they aren't subject to many Federal laws in our favor. What would they get out of it? Maybe they'd get some more respect if they had more clout being allied with the White Man for a change.

    I like those red bars, both for the numbers, which are surprisingly good, and, as usual, because you are saving me from having to go back and forth to the legend.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Ohhh, and I didn’t even really look at “Middle Easterners”. Olive straight outta the Crayola 64-pack. Excellent!

  26. A red/redneck alliance could really be onto something, basically gives you all you need

    Optics friendly candidates to legitimize talking points and get footholds within the system, plus a safe base of operations that already has a shadow government plus existing revenue streams from gambling, drugs and prostitution

  27. @Anonymous
    I'm a real live wild Injun in the sense that I am a member of a plains Indian tribe, and, as required for membership, can trace my ancestry back to individuals who were listed on the role of the original members of the Reservation when it was established. That, in fact, is the only way to have membership.
    Most Indians are very proud Americans, intensely patriotic -- even when they have been protesting perceived injustices, as did AIM. About one in five Indians has served in the armed forces, largely in combat specialties, unlike some other ethnicities. I have never met an Indian who was pro immigration, pro BLM, pro La Raza, pro CAIR and certainly not pro AIPAC. Just pro American. America is our native land and we don't want it overwhelmed by foreign invaders who don't even know we exist, and if they do, don't care.
    The old white America recognized us as part of the American drama, of the history of the American people. We fought hard over this land, often with no quarter asked or given, no prisoners taken, but when the wars were over, the white man, instead of exterminating us, which he easily could have done, extended his hand in friendship. He put us on his coinage, used Indian symbolism in military imagery and for the names of everything from cars to helicopters. Whites named their children after famous Indians (eg William Tecumseh Sherman).
    American Indians became popular sports heroes (Jim Thorpe), beloved comedians and social commentators (Will Rogers), war heroes (Ernest Evans) and successful politicians (Charles Curtis).
    And, perhaps as the ultimate compliment and acknowledgement of our significance in the history of this country, countless whites with no trace of Indian ancestry have long believed -- wanted to believe -- that they had an Indian ancestor and would not hesitate to make the claim.
    In the 1939 movie "Midnight," starring Don Ameche and Claudette Colbert, Colbert plays a penniless American showgirl stranded in Paris who falls in with a collection of European aristocrats. At one point, the Europeans are discussing their various high-class ancestors and one of them asks Colbert who her ancestors were. She replies, "Choctaw and Scotch-Irish!" Being part Indian was a natural and important part of what it was to be an American, at least one of pioneer stock.
    Would any white American have wanted to claim he was part Negro or part Mexican? -- Especially if he had no trace of the blood of either in his background.
    Americans also used to care about the welfare of Indians, understanding that they had weaknesses that could be exploited by the unscrupulous. But in this era of "everyone is the same" letting Indians die of alcoholism, drugs and despair is seen as "progressive." Why would we want to have anything to do with the left, the progressive, the "woke"?

    https://i.imgur.com/nlrUC2I.png

    Montana bar, 1939. WPA photo.

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Achmed E. Newman, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    “Part of the American Drama”, well said. For good or ill the American people and the plains Indians share a long history, and whatever issues there were or still are between them is there own business and should be settled between themselves.

    Seeing foreign ingrates try to lecture Americans about the plight of the Red Man in service of their globalist ideology makes me sick.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  28. @songbird
    I'm not saying I don't believe the results, but I wonder who were the Indians they asked and if any were actually white.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I’m not saying I don’t believe the results, but I wonder who were the Indians they asked and if any were actually white.

    Full-blooded or even half-blooded American Indians these days are probably a tiny, minuscule fraction of the country. There is a reason why Democrats no longer care about them. They mean nothing electorally except perhaps in the Dakotas where reservation vote shenanigans sometimes sway elections for Democrats (e.g. 2002 Johnson vs. Thune election for the U.S. senate seat in South Dakota where Thune lost by 524 votes).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Twinkie

    That's a good point.

    I've only ever really thought of it on the level of skin - black having more signaling value since it is the most differentiated from white. I've known people who have transparently posted pictures to social media of them with blacks for the signaling value.

    I guess numbers count for something, though in entertainment media, blacks still seem to be more sought after than Hispanics.

    , @Wency
    @Twinkie

    Indeed, there have been two self-identified Amerindians that I've known fairly well in my life. Both were reportedly 50/50, but their phenotype didn't look it and I doubt their Amerindian parent was close to full-blooded in either case. Their behavior and values were indistinguishable from those of the working-to-middle-class white people in the community around them, aside from occasionally bringing up the ancestry in a manner not dissimilar from a fully assimilated Italian-American (with an Italian surname but mixed ancestry) occasionally bringing up his ancestry. And both married a white person.

    That said, both had familial links to reservations, but these are reservations in the East, which in most cases appear to me to basically be neighborhoods of a few hundred or thousand within larger towns that are culturally integrated into the local community, as opposed to the vast reservations out West, which are large enough to have their own internal culture.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  29. @Anonymous
    I'm a real live wild Injun in the sense that I am a member of a plains Indian tribe, and, as required for membership, can trace my ancestry back to individuals who were listed on the role of the original members of the Reservation when it was established. That, in fact, is the only way to have membership.
    Most Indians are very proud Americans, intensely patriotic -- even when they have been protesting perceived injustices, as did AIM. About one in five Indians has served in the armed forces, largely in combat specialties, unlike some other ethnicities. I have never met an Indian who was pro immigration, pro BLM, pro La Raza, pro CAIR and certainly not pro AIPAC. Just pro American. America is our native land and we don't want it overwhelmed by foreign invaders who don't even know we exist, and if they do, don't care.
    The old white America recognized us as part of the American drama, of the history of the American people. We fought hard over this land, often with no quarter asked or given, no prisoners taken, but when the wars were over, the white man, instead of exterminating us, which he easily could have done, extended his hand in friendship. He put us on his coinage, used Indian symbolism in military imagery and for the names of everything from cars to helicopters. Whites named their children after famous Indians (eg William Tecumseh Sherman).
    American Indians became popular sports heroes (Jim Thorpe), beloved comedians and social commentators (Will Rogers), war heroes (Ernest Evans) and successful politicians (Charles Curtis).
    And, perhaps as the ultimate compliment and acknowledgement of our significance in the history of this country, countless whites with no trace of Indian ancestry have long believed -- wanted to believe -- that they had an Indian ancestor and would not hesitate to make the claim.
    In the 1939 movie "Midnight," starring Don Ameche and Claudette Colbert, Colbert plays a penniless American showgirl stranded in Paris who falls in with a collection of European aristocrats. At one point, the Europeans are discussing their various high-class ancestors and one of them asks Colbert who her ancestors were. She replies, "Choctaw and Scotch-Irish!" Being part Indian was a natural and important part of what it was to be an American, at least one of pioneer stock.
    Would any white American have wanted to claim he was part Negro or part Mexican? -- Especially if he had no trace of the blood of either in his background.
    Americans also used to care about the welfare of Indians, understanding that they had weaknesses that could be exploited by the unscrupulous. But in this era of "everyone is the same" letting Indians die of alcoholism, drugs and despair is seen as "progressive." Why would we want to have anything to do with the left, the progressive, the "woke"?

    https://i.imgur.com/nlrUC2I.png

    Montana bar, 1939. WPA photo.

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Achmed E. Newman, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Excellent comment! Hey, A.E., how ’bout this one for COTW?

    .

    I wanted to add to what you noted about Americans being proud to have Indian blood. Now, it’s about Affirmative Action and victimhood (take Squaw Elizabeth Warren, please!), but that wasn’t the case 100 or 75 years ago.

    BTW, can you tell me if you’ve ever read the book Empire of the Summer Moon about the Comanches and the white people of Texas.

  30. @JohnPlywood
    @Daniel H

    Mexicans are majority western European (+60%) genetically, and have a sizeable subsaharan African ancestry (5%) that Natives lack.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Mexicans are majority western European (+60%) genetically, and have a sizeable subsaharan African ancestry (5%) that Natives lack.

    Disagree on that. Overall, about 50% of Mexican American ancestry is 50% native American. There are significant sub-populations in Mexico that are 80-100% pure native American. I doubt that Mexicans have anywhere close to 5% African ancestry.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Daniel H

    Are you disagreeing with me specifically, or objective reality itself?


    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/04/latin-america-s-lost-histories-revealed-modern-dna


    Other researchers study the legacy of another marginalized group in colonial Mexico: Africans. Tens of thousands of enslaved and free Africans lived in Mexico during the 16th and 17th centuries, outnumbering Europeans, and today almost all Mexicans carry about 4% African ancestry. The percentage is much higher in some communities, says geneticist María Ávila-Arcos of the International Laboratory for Human Genome Research in Juriquilla, Mexico. She found that in Afro-descendent communities in Guerrero and Oaxaca, many of which remain isolated, people had about 26% African ancestry, most of it from West Africa.
     

    Replies: @Lars Porsena

  31. Indians are in the way now for the globalist project. They control a lot of land — land that looks more and more attractive to the immivasion lobby as the U.S. gets more crowded and unlivable. Obama looked the other way as Mexican cartels used Indian land as a staging area for the distribution of narcotics. He embarrassed Indians with the appointment of William Mendoza to a White House post; Mendoza later resigned after taking pictures up women’s skirts on the subway. Mendoza is woke and holds all the correct opinions on football mascots and the like, which explains his appointment.

  32. @Anonymous
    I'm a real live wild Injun in the sense that I am a member of a plains Indian tribe, and, as required for membership, can trace my ancestry back to individuals who were listed on the role of the original members of the Reservation when it was established. That, in fact, is the only way to have membership.
    Most Indians are very proud Americans, intensely patriotic -- even when they have been protesting perceived injustices, as did AIM. About one in five Indians has served in the armed forces, largely in combat specialties, unlike some other ethnicities. I have never met an Indian who was pro immigration, pro BLM, pro La Raza, pro CAIR and certainly not pro AIPAC. Just pro American. America is our native land and we don't want it overwhelmed by foreign invaders who don't even know we exist, and if they do, don't care.
    The old white America recognized us as part of the American drama, of the history of the American people. We fought hard over this land, often with no quarter asked or given, no prisoners taken, but when the wars were over, the white man, instead of exterminating us, which he easily could have done, extended his hand in friendship. He put us on his coinage, used Indian symbolism in military imagery and for the names of everything from cars to helicopters. Whites named their children after famous Indians (eg William Tecumseh Sherman).
    American Indians became popular sports heroes (Jim Thorpe), beloved comedians and social commentators (Will Rogers), war heroes (Ernest Evans) and successful politicians (Charles Curtis).
    And, perhaps as the ultimate compliment and acknowledgement of our significance in the history of this country, countless whites with no trace of Indian ancestry have long believed -- wanted to believe -- that they had an Indian ancestor and would not hesitate to make the claim.
    In the 1939 movie "Midnight," starring Don Ameche and Claudette Colbert, Colbert plays a penniless American showgirl stranded in Paris who falls in with a collection of European aristocrats. At one point, the Europeans are discussing their various high-class ancestors and one of them asks Colbert who her ancestors were. She replies, "Choctaw and Scotch-Irish!" Being part Indian was a natural and important part of what it was to be an American, at least one of pioneer stock.
    Would any white American have wanted to claim he was part Negro or part Mexican? -- Especially if he had no trace of the blood of either in his background.
    Americans also used to care about the welfare of Indians, understanding that they had weaknesses that could be exploited by the unscrupulous. But in this era of "everyone is the same" letting Indians die of alcoholism, drugs and despair is seen as "progressive." Why would we want to have anything to do with the left, the progressive, the "woke"?

    https://i.imgur.com/nlrUC2I.png

    Montana bar, 1939. WPA photo.

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Achmed E. Newman, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Many people’s first experience with Native Americans, if you didn’t grow up in eg AZ/NM/OK, was in the USMC or Army (natives very seldom go AF or Navy. The OP is correct that they seek, and are rewarded in and by, combat arms branches).
    Every N/A I’ve served with has been *stellar*. And that may sound like treacle, but on my honor it’s been true. I’ve tried to think about it: is it an artifact of the small sample size? Is it positive pre-conditioning?
    It’s a very common experience that, after a few beers and a few years, you can get to a point where you ask, “why did you join The Oppression Army to your people?” and you get a look of incomprehension. “I am a badass warrior from a thousand year uninterrupted chain of badass warriors and this outfit honors that and gives me the chance to do what I do best”
    I’d say 50%+ of combat arms people have had that conversation, more or less, and it’s deeply powerful every time.
    Native Americans are perhaps the single most patriotic people I’ve ever come across. Additionally, they genuinely send their very, very best into The Service. The Native who goes to eg Arizona State on a scholly comes back to teach on the res will be a respected and valued addition, the dude who comes back with a CIB and a few ARCOMS will be the hero

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Thank you, Edward Bernays.

  33. Well, American Indians are far from the pacifist proto-hippies that have been a staple of the baizuo imagination since the 1970s: just look at their rates of military service for kids who want a life off the reservation. But I wouldn’t get too excited about this. Given their degree of dependence on government largess, they are reliable Democratic voters and will remain so.

    I’m not bashing them, considering the sheer awfulness of what happened to their race (IMO, far outstripping anything America did to black people), but they are no more closet GOP voters than Karl Rove’s Mexican Millions were. Unless, of course, you choose to decouple “conservatism” from free market fetishization, which is what I regularly advocate, but good luck convincing the GOP’s gerontocrats to ditch the 1980s any more than you’ll convince Pelosi and her dashiki wearing buddies to abandon the mental world of 1968 when they aren’t busy assuring Bezos they won’t touch his overseas money with taxes.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @nebulafox


    American Indians are far from the pacifist proto-hippies
     
    Yup. The Plains Indians use of feathers in their headdresses was peak warrior aesthetics.

    what happened to their race
     
    Navajo millet.

    Peace.
  34. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @Anonymous

    Many people’s first experience with Native Americans, if you didn’t grow up in eg AZ/NM/OK, was in the USMC or Army (natives very seldom go AF or Navy. The OP is correct that they seek, and are rewarded in and by, combat arms branches).
    Every N/A I’ve served with has been *stellar*. And that may sound like treacle, but on my honor it’s been true. I’ve tried to think about it: is it an artifact of the small sample size? Is it positive pre-conditioning?
    It’s a very common experience that, after a few beers and a few years, you can get to a point where you ask, “why did you join The Oppression Army to your people?” and you get a look of incomprehension. “I am a badass warrior from a thousand year uninterrupted chain of badass warriors and this outfit honors that and gives me the chance to do what I do best”
    I’d say 50%+ of combat arms people have had that conversation, more or less, and it’s deeply powerful every time.
    Native Americans are perhaps the single most patriotic people I’ve ever come across. Additionally, they genuinely send their very, very best into The Service. The Native who goes to eg Arizona State on a scholly comes back to teach on the res will be a respected and valued addition, the dude who comes back with a CIB and a few ARCOMS will be the hero

    Replies: @Truth

    Thank you, Edward Bernays.

  35. The US disses its Indians to the point it feels the need to import “better” Indians.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  36. @216
    Empirical verification of the cuckservative phenomenon

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1304211381944610817

    Replies: @Nodwink

    The only “cuckservatives” are those who still support Trump. It’s about time for Trump supporters in the normal IQ range to admit they’ve been conned.

  37. @Twinkie
    @songbird


    I’m not saying I don’t believe the results, but I wonder who were the Indians they asked and if any were actually white.
     
    Full-blooded or even half-blooded American Indians these days are probably a tiny, minuscule fraction of the country. There is a reason why Democrats no longer care about them. They mean nothing electorally except perhaps in the Dakotas where reservation vote shenanigans sometimes sway elections for Democrats (e.g. 2002 Johnson vs. Thune election for the U.S. senate seat in South Dakota where Thune lost by 524 votes).

    Replies: @songbird, @Wency

    That’s a good point.

    I’ve only ever really thought of it on the level of skin – black having more signaling value since it is the most differentiated from white. I’ve known people who have transparently posted pictures to social media of them with blacks for the signaling value.

    I guess numbers count for something, though in entertainment media, blacks still seem to be more sought after than Hispanics.

  38. @JohnPlywood
    @Daniel H

    Mexicans are majority western European (+60%) genetically, and have a sizeable subsaharan African ancestry (5%) that Natives lack.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    The typical American Indian has far more European DNA than the average Mexican.

    One recent study on the DNA if Cherokee tribal members found on average they were 95% European.

    23andme has yet to find any American Indians with more than 60% of their DNA being Native American. The average American Indian is less than 40% Native American. This is one reason the tribes all oppose genetic testing

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Just STFU you retarded asswipe.

  39. @Twinkie
    @songbird


    I’m not saying I don’t believe the results, but I wonder who were the Indians they asked and if any were actually white.
     
    Full-blooded or even half-blooded American Indians these days are probably a tiny, minuscule fraction of the country. There is a reason why Democrats no longer care about them. They mean nothing electorally except perhaps in the Dakotas where reservation vote shenanigans sometimes sway elections for Democrats (e.g. 2002 Johnson vs. Thune election for the U.S. senate seat in South Dakota where Thune lost by 524 votes).

    Replies: @songbird, @Wency

    Indeed, there have been two self-identified Amerindians that I’ve known fairly well in my life. Both were reportedly 50/50, but their phenotype didn’t look it and I doubt their Amerindian parent was close to full-blooded in either case. Their behavior and values were indistinguishable from those of the working-to-middle-class white people in the community around them, aside from occasionally bringing up the ancestry in a manner not dissimilar from a fully assimilated Italian-American (with an Italian surname but mixed ancestry) occasionally bringing up his ancestry. And both married a white person.

    That said, both had familial links to reservations, but these are reservations in the East, which in most cases appear to me to basically be neighborhoods of a few hundred or thousand within larger towns that are culturally integrated into the local community, as opposed to the vast reservations out West, which are large enough to have their own internal culture.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Wency


    That said, both had familial links to reservations, but these are reservations in the East...
     
    Indian reservations in New York, and perhaps other Eastern states, deal with the state rather than the feds, as that's the other party in the treaties.

    This can get interesting at the St Regis Reservation, where the United States and New York border Canada, Ontario, Quebec, and the First Nation reserve on the other side.

    Seven competing jurisdictions, all sovereign. Ain't federalism great?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Regis_Mohawk_Reservation

  40. @nebulafox
    Well, American Indians are far from the pacifist proto-hippies that have been a staple of the baizuo imagination since the 1970s: just look at their rates of military service for kids who want a life off the reservation. But I wouldn't get too excited about this. Given their degree of dependence on government largess, they are reliable Democratic voters and will remain so.

    I'm not bashing them, considering the sheer awfulness of what happened to their race (IMO, far outstripping anything America did to black people), but they are no more closet GOP voters than Karl Rove's Mexican Millions were. Unless, of course, you choose to decouple "conservatism" from free market fetishization, which is what I regularly advocate, but good luck convincing the GOP's gerontocrats to ditch the 1980s any more than you'll convince Pelosi and her dashiki wearing buddies to abandon the mental world of 1968 when they aren't busy assuring Bezos they won't touch his overseas money with taxes.

    Replies: @Talha

    American Indians are far from the pacifist proto-hippies

    Yup. The Plains Indians use of feathers in their headdresses was peak warrior aesthetics.

    what happened to their race

    Navajo millet.

    Peace.

  41. Native Americans may be the faster growing demographic in the united States over the last 3 decades. According to the 2010 Census, 5.2 million people in the United States identified as American Indian and Alaska Native. This population grew by 27% from 2000 to 2010.

    Between 2000 and 2018, the number of multiracial people identifying partially as Native American increased by 77%. https://usafacts.org/articles/native-americans-and-us-census-how-count-has-changed/ Cherokee, the largest tribal grouping, grew 48%: from 730,000 in 2000 to 1.1 million in 2018, according to the Census. But this includes many people like Elizabeth Warren, since there are less than 300,000 official tribal members.

    Currently only 2% of Americans self-identify as Native American. but the actual number of Americans with some Native American ancestry exceeds 40% of the white population and 90% of the hispanic population. While the average hispanic is 25% Amerindian the average white American is .1% Amerindian. Based on DNA studies there are over 95 million Americans with Amerindian DNA.

    it will be interesting if many more people imitate Elizabeth Warren and begin to self-identify as Indian on the 2020 census.

  42. @Svevlad
    Huh. Imagine a republican native american candidate. I'd say that would cause infinite butthurt on the dem side. All their arguments dead in the water

    Replies: @SFG, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar

    Huh. Imagine a [R]epublican native american candidate.

    Worked in the past:

    This Man was the United States’ First and Only Native American Vice President

    Charles Curtis of Kansas becomes the first Native American elected to the U.S. Senate

    Charles Curtis, 31st Vice President (1929-1933)

    Kansapedia: Charles Curtis

    I’d say that would cause infinite butthurt on the dem side. All their arguments dead in the water.

    Nah. They’d just label him an “apple”. They have no shame.

    As a Vice President who lost reelection, Curtis had to read off his insufficient electoral count in the Senate, as did Richard Nixon, Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale, Dan Quayle, and Al Gore. James Schoolcraft Sherman, who earned only an embarrassing eight electors in 1912, got out of this sad duty by dying.

    • Thanks: Ash Williams
  43. @Wency
    @Twinkie

    Indeed, there have been two self-identified Amerindians that I've known fairly well in my life. Both were reportedly 50/50, but their phenotype didn't look it and I doubt their Amerindian parent was close to full-blooded in either case. Their behavior and values were indistinguishable from those of the working-to-middle-class white people in the community around them, aside from occasionally bringing up the ancestry in a manner not dissimilar from a fully assimilated Italian-American (with an Italian surname but mixed ancestry) occasionally bringing up his ancestry. And both married a white person.

    That said, both had familial links to reservations, but these are reservations in the East, which in most cases appear to me to basically be neighborhoods of a few hundred or thousand within larger towns that are culturally integrated into the local community, as opposed to the vast reservations out West, which are large enough to have their own internal culture.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That said, both had familial links to reservations, but these are reservations in the East…

    Indian reservations in New York, and perhaps other Eastern states, deal with the state rather than the feds, as that’s the other party in the treaties.

    This can get interesting at the St Regis Reservation, where the United States and New York border Canada, Ontario, Quebec, and the First Nation reserve on the other side.

    Seven competing jurisdictions, all sovereign. Ain’t federalism great?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Regis_Mohawk_Reservation

  44. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @JohnPlywood

    The typical American Indian has far more European DNA than the average Mexican.

    One recent study on the DNA if Cherokee tribal members found on average they were 95% European.

    23andme has yet to find any American Indians with more than 60% of their DNA being Native American. The average American Indian is less than 40% Native American. This is one reason the tribes all oppose genetic testing

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Just STFU you retarded asswipe.

  45. @Daniel H
    @JohnPlywood

    Mexicans are majority western European (+60%) genetically, and have a sizeable subsaharan African ancestry (5%) that Natives lack.

    Disagree on that. Overall, about 50% of Mexican American ancestry is 50% native American. There are significant sub-populations in Mexico that are 80-100% pure native American. I doubt that Mexicans have anywhere close to 5% African ancestry.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Are you disagreeing with me specifically, or objective reality itself?

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/04/latin-america-s-lost-histories-revealed-modern-dna

    Other researchers study the legacy of another marginalized group in colonial Mexico: Africans. Tens of thousands of enslaved and free Africans lived in Mexico during the 16th and 17th centuries, outnumbering Europeans, and today almost all Mexicans carry about 4% African ancestry. The percentage is much higher in some communities, says geneticist María Ávila-Arcos of the International Laboratory for Human Genome Research in Juriquilla, Mexico. She found that in Afro-descendent communities in Guerrero and Oaxaca, many of which remain isolated, people had about 26% African ancestry, most of it from West Africa.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    @JohnPlywood

    If it's 'much higher in some communities' (26%), it must be much lower in some communities (ie 0%) to get an average of 4%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexican


    According to recent DNA studies, most Mexicans have a small amount of African DNA mixed into the predominant Mexican heritage gene pool, averaging to about 5% African DNA, although most if it is North African and was brought to Mexico as part of the diluted African DNA in Spanish settlers.[4] Therefore Afro-Mexican refers specifically to those Mexicans who have above-average levels of specifically West African ancestry noticeable in their phenotype.
     
    So they are counting Berber and Moroccan DNA present in Spaniards as 'African'.

    According to the 2015 Encuesta Intercensal, there were 1,381,853 Mexicans that self-identified as Afro-descendants, or 1.2% of the country's population.[1] This is the first time that the government of Mexico has asked citizens whether they identify as Afro-Mexican. Places with large Afro-Mexican communities are: Costa Chica of Guerrero, Costa Chica of Oaxaca and Veracruz.
     

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  46. @usNthem
    Hey, cowboys and indians on the same team - who’d a thunk?

    Replies: @Me in 2020

    But hispanics and natives aren’t on the same team.

  47. In New Zealand, a grass roots political Party led by a Billy Te Kahika, a blues singer, is drawing protest crowds against the lock downs of Jacinda Ardern. It voices the Western cry for liberty with Maori indigenous identity. It calls up the shared history of white people and Maori that still exists outside the official narrative. That very much fits the concluding argument of this article. In history, populist leaders regularly come from the native population. King Numa was a Sabine. King Henry V11 was a Welshman. Hitler was an Austrian. Also Chavez. Morales too. But he lost the support of white Bolivians by imposing anti white discrimination. Morales has gone but the Chavez Party remains.

  48. I’m surprised by the figure for middle-easterners on slavery/black progress. The ME muslims I’ve known all viewed blacks as unfit for freedom.

  49. @JohnPlywood
    @Daniel H

    Are you disagreeing with me specifically, or objective reality itself?


    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/04/latin-america-s-lost-histories-revealed-modern-dna


    Other researchers study the legacy of another marginalized group in colonial Mexico: Africans. Tens of thousands of enslaved and free Africans lived in Mexico during the 16th and 17th centuries, outnumbering Europeans, and today almost all Mexicans carry about 4% African ancestry. The percentage is much higher in some communities, says geneticist María Ávila-Arcos of the International Laboratory for Human Genome Research in Juriquilla, Mexico. She found that in Afro-descendent communities in Guerrero and Oaxaca, many of which remain isolated, people had about 26% African ancestry, most of it from West Africa.
     

    Replies: @Lars Porsena

    If it’s ‘much higher in some communities’ (26%), it must be much lower in some communities (ie 0%) to get an average of 4%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexican

    According to recent DNA studies, most Mexicans have a small amount of African DNA mixed into the predominant Mexican heritage gene pool, averaging to about 5% African DNA, although most if it is North African and was brought to Mexico as part of the diluted African DNA in Spanish settlers.[4] Therefore Afro-Mexican refers specifically to those Mexicans who have above-average levels of specifically West African ancestry noticeable in their phenotype.

    So they are counting Berber and Moroccan DNA present in Spaniards as ‘African’.

    According to the 2015 Encuesta Intercensal, there were 1,381,853 Mexicans that self-identified as Afro-descendants, or 1.2% of the country’s population.[1] This is the first time that the government of Mexico has asked citizens whether they identify as Afro-Mexican. Places with large Afro-Mexican communities are: Costa Chica of Guerrero, Costa Chica of Oaxaca and Veracruz.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Lars Porsena

    You are quoting a shitty Wikipedia article (that has been filled with lies by a butthurt Mexican) and not the study discussed in the link I posted. The 5% African admixture in Mexicans is SSA, from slaves. Not North Afican.


    Wikipedia is a notorious non-source for genetic info and is compromised by butthurt ethnics trying to re-write history.

    Replies: @Lars Porsena

  50. @Lars Porsena
    @JohnPlywood

    If it's 'much higher in some communities' (26%), it must be much lower in some communities (ie 0%) to get an average of 4%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexican


    According to recent DNA studies, most Mexicans have a small amount of African DNA mixed into the predominant Mexican heritage gene pool, averaging to about 5% African DNA, although most if it is North African and was brought to Mexico as part of the diluted African DNA in Spanish settlers.[4] Therefore Afro-Mexican refers specifically to those Mexicans who have above-average levels of specifically West African ancestry noticeable in their phenotype.
     
    So they are counting Berber and Moroccan DNA present in Spaniards as 'African'.

    According to the 2015 Encuesta Intercensal, there were 1,381,853 Mexicans that self-identified as Afro-descendants, or 1.2% of the country's population.[1] This is the first time that the government of Mexico has asked citizens whether they identify as Afro-Mexican. Places with large Afro-Mexican communities are: Costa Chica of Guerrero, Costa Chica of Oaxaca and Veracruz.
     

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    You are quoting a shitty Wikipedia article (that has been filled with lies by a butthurt Mexican) and not the study discussed in the link I posted. The 5% African admixture in Mexicans is SSA, from slaves. Not North Afican.

    Wikipedia is a notorious non-source for genetic info and is compromised by butthurt ethnics trying to re-write history.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    @JohnPlywood

    Well maybe you should have checked the sources then. It is most useful for that, to find a bunch of sources.

    That one is sourced. I haven't tracked it down but I would bet it ultimately shares the exact same source as yours.

    You know what else is really shitty and unreliable? Any media report whatsoever. (Although I will grant you that the source on what I quoted was another media article). I don't see you linking actual studies though.

    Look at your actual source. Notice how it sometimes says "African" and only sometimes specifies "west African"? What makes you think your source disagrees with me? I am telling you how your source is playing word games. Dey wuz kangz and they built the step pyramids don't you know.

    Nothing in your source actually states that's not north African. You need to read the media more carefully and less credulously. Can you find anything that specifies 4% west African? Without looking very hard I can find a lot that claims north African and a lot that doesn't specify.

  51. @JohnPlywood
    @Lars Porsena

    You are quoting a shitty Wikipedia article (that has been filled with lies by a butthurt Mexican) and not the study discussed in the link I posted. The 5% African admixture in Mexicans is SSA, from slaves. Not North Afican.


    Wikipedia is a notorious non-source for genetic info and is compromised by butthurt ethnics trying to re-write history.

    Replies: @Lars Porsena

    Well maybe you should have checked the sources then. It is most useful for that, to find a bunch of sources.

    That one is sourced. I haven’t tracked it down but I would bet it ultimately shares the exact same source as yours.

    You know what else is really shitty and unreliable? Any media report whatsoever. (Although I will grant you that the source on what I quoted was another media article). I don’t see you linking actual studies though.

    Look at your actual source. Notice how it sometimes says “African” and only sometimes specifies “west African”? What makes you think your source disagrees with me? I am telling you how your source is playing word games. Dey wuz kangz and they built the step pyramids don’t you know.

    Nothing in your source actually states that’s not north African. You need to read the media more carefully and less credulously. Can you find anything that specifies 4% west African? Without looking very hard I can find a lot that claims north African and a lot that doesn’t specify.

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