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Revisiting a post from late in 2018:

This was before the coronavirus catastrophe knocked the economy on its ass and 40 million people–disproportionately younger people–out of work, and knocked many more out of school. With vanishingly few arrests made and most of the arrestees given a slap on the wrist citation if charged with anything at all, these riots are unlikely to burn themselves out any time soon. If they are going to stop, they’re going to have to be stopped.

Local police forces are the obvious organizations to shut the riots down. But for political reasons, they’re unwilling to do so. These cultural power centers include a lot of people sympathetic to the destroyers. Not all Gothamites want Batman. Many hate Wayne and like Bane:

Does it then fall on president Trump to deploy the National Guard? There are political reasons working against him doing that as well. It bails out the Democrat mayors in the cities under siege. While the National Guard restores order, those same mayors and their cultural and media allies excoriate the Guard and the president for what will invariably be portrayed as a disproportionately harsh response. As is, the gaslighting is mostly limited to pretending undercover ‘white supremacists’ are behind all of this. They’d rather point to a real menace in the White House than be reduced to prevaricating about a phantom menace.

If the cities, states, and feds all stand down as the riots continue without abatement, what then? So long as the melees are confined to the cities, white (and non-white) flight will accelerate to the speed of light. People who are neither destroying nor financially insulated from the destruction will begin evacuating. It’s probably already happening. If the unrest continues for weeks or months, an exodus will get underway.

If marauders make for small towns and suburbia, things could really get kinetic. The locals, disgusted and desperate, may meet them in the street:

I remember well the mix of incredulity and mockery my warnings about the coming political dissolution were greeted with a decade ago. Predictions of the Soviet Union’s impending collapse seemed similarly absurd in 1982. By 1992, it was gone. America is coming apart before our eyes.

 
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  1. I’m surprised that the people in the survey were so candid regarding violence. Imagine what the numbers would be, if you added in the people who lied.

    I think a lot of people understood that our differences were irreconcilable during the whole Kaepernik thing. If you need to kneel during the national anthem, then it should be easy to see that we are not part of the same country. Though, I am speaking metaphorically. The US physically breaking up seems optimistic to me. I think its military power would have to wane significantly for that to be possible.

    I don’t believe that there are perfect parallels with the USSR. Perhaps, many people now know that the system is morally and fiscally bankrupt, but I don’t see how the elites are as incentivized to defect. There isn’t the same round of privatizations possible, or ways for them to immediately raise their incomes. Plus, Western Europe is much more culturally enmeshed in our system than Eastern Europe ever was under Soviet influence – it forms a counterweight. And the occupying force is, IMO, not so much NATO, as it is the hordes of migrants, who cannot be ordered to stay in their barracks, or be recalled to the US.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @songbird


    I am speaking metaphorically. The US physically breaking up seems optimistic to me. I think its military power would have to wane significantly for that to be possible.
     
    The US military relies on its supply lines being invulnerable.  When its electric power, fuel, and even food and water are subject to interdictment or poisoning by partisans—what can it do then?

    Especially when a large fraction of its units have gone rogue, and many of its armories and depots have been taken over by anti-government forces?

    Replies: @Wency, @songbird

    , @anon
    @songbird

    I’m surprised that the people in the survey were so candid regarding violence.

    Just a few rhetorical questions:

    How do those polled define the term "violence"?
    Does everyone define the term the same way?
    Do people sometimes say things to pollsters that they haven't really thought through?

    , @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Sure the parallels with fall of the Soviet Union aren't quite there, the elite is alienated and there still existed the constituent nations that could breakaway relatively peacefully. I suppose Yugoslvia is a better parallel, a mixed population, enclaves and a muted form of conflict, albeit tempered by the threat of action by outside powers. I do think secession by White red states is the most likely scenario, especially as the bills are coming due, events like this psychologically prime people for it, plus session is an American tradition.

    Replies: @songbird

  2. Caravan of Haitians and Africans moving North toward the USA from Central America.

    Plenty of jobs for them when they arrive, right?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Lot


    Plenty of jobs for them when they arrive, right?
     
    Plenty of "Contact Tracing" jobs to go around, right? We can have one migrant to shadow each citizen, no pun intended.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @botazefa
    @Lot

    From the Reuters story:


    An activist in the town the group left from said 102 had started out in the morning, including a dozen Cubans. Lizandro Vallecillo, a spokesman for the national migration institute, said he counted 50 people from television images
     
    Not much of a caravan, yet.
  3. @songbird
    I'm surprised that the people in the survey were so candid regarding violence. Imagine what the numbers would be, if you added in the people who lied.

    I think a lot of people understood that our differences were irreconcilable during the whole Kaepernik thing. If you need to kneel during the national anthem, then it should be easy to see that we are not part of the same country. Though, I am speaking metaphorically. The US physically breaking up seems optimistic to me. I think its military power would have to wane significantly for that to be possible.

    I don't believe that there are perfect parallels with the USSR. Perhaps, many people now know that the system is morally and fiscally bankrupt, but I don't see how the elites are as incentivized to defect. There isn't the same round of privatizations possible, or ways for them to immediately raise their incomes. Plus, Western Europe is much more culturally enmeshed in our system than Eastern Europe ever was under Soviet influence - it forms a counterweight. And the occupying force is, IMO, not so much NATO, as it is the hordes of migrants, who cannot be ordered to stay in their barracks, or be recalled to the US.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @anon, @LondonBob

    I am speaking metaphorically. The US physically breaking up seems optimistic to me. I think its military power would have to wane significantly for that to be possible.

    The US military relies on its supply lines being invulnerable.  When its electric power, fuel, and even food and water are subject to interdictment or poisoning by partisans—what can it do then?

    Especially when a large fraction of its units have gone rogue, and many of its armories and depots have been taken over by anti-government forces?

    • Replies: @Wency
    @Mr. Rational

    Who are these partisans?

    I'd guess there are less than 1000 non-Muslims in America who would be prepared to risk their lives operating as partisans against the US military. It's way more appealing to play a video game about guerrilla warfare that than to die fighting the real thing. In any event, the civilian population would be entirely unsympathetic to them in pretty much every county in America.

    There is no division like you describe within the military. Military men, especially those who are in for the long haul (i.e., those who make all the decisions and have all the institutional knowledge, whether commissioned or NCOs), LIKE the US military -- that's why they sign up for it and stay in it. Most of the ones I've known encouraged their kids to join. They're not going to "go rogue" -- they will follow the chain of command. That's what American military men have always done.

    Alabama is not Kandahar. And the US military is, by the way, still able to operate in Kandahar -- its only failure is in grinding the Pashtuns into becoming Americans. What are the odds it wouldn't be able to operate in Alabama?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @dfordoom, @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @songbird
    @Mr. Rational

    The state power base being urban and coastal can maintain its supply lines via the sea. This would also give them control of the skies, since airplanes can travel large distances without needing to land.

    Unless the rogues receive external support, (and I'm not sure that they would - China may be happy to have no competitors in the long term) I don't consider their chances very good. They'd have supply lines too, more easily interrupted or seized. Guns aren't really a match for tanks or planes or drones. The state response would be very violent and, I think, terroristic.

    As to units defecting, firstly, I think a total breakdown would take decades. The demographic situation will be a lot worse then. Whites will be lucky to be 30%. And we all know that there are many back-stabbers among us. Defection is arguably a bigger problem for us.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  4. • LOL: 22pp22
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Daniel H

    Thank you, Daniel. That was a great tweet.

    "We're on your side! We're on your f___ing side!"

  5. @songbird
    I'm surprised that the people in the survey were so candid regarding violence. Imagine what the numbers would be, if you added in the people who lied.

    I think a lot of people understood that our differences were irreconcilable during the whole Kaepernik thing. If you need to kneel during the national anthem, then it should be easy to see that we are not part of the same country. Though, I am speaking metaphorically. The US physically breaking up seems optimistic to me. I think its military power would have to wane significantly for that to be possible.

    I don't believe that there are perfect parallels with the USSR. Perhaps, many people now know that the system is morally and fiscally bankrupt, but I don't see how the elites are as incentivized to defect. There isn't the same round of privatizations possible, or ways for them to immediately raise their incomes. Plus, Western Europe is much more culturally enmeshed in our system than Eastern Europe ever was under Soviet influence - it forms a counterweight. And the occupying force is, IMO, not so much NATO, as it is the hordes of migrants, who cannot be ordered to stay in their barracks, or be recalled to the US.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @anon, @LondonBob

    I’m surprised that the people in the survey were so candid regarding violence.

    Just a few rhetorical questions:

    How do those polled define the term “violence”?
    Does everyone define the term the same way?
    Do people sometimes say things to pollsters that they haven’t really thought through?

  6. Vox Day has always said 2033. That’s also when social security runs out. But this is WAY ahead of schedule. I thought we’d have to wait for Biden’s corpse to hit the accelerator in 2021 at the very earliest.

  7. LOL there’s a big difference between this street theatre LARPing and actual revolution. We are no where near revolution. In fact, I don’t even think it’s possible.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jedi Night


    We are no where near revolution. In fact, I don’t even think it’s possible.
     
    I'm not worried about a revolution. I am more concerned about rioters coming to my neighborhood and trying to loot or burn down the houses, and hurt my neighbors and my family. Even a handful of thugs can do a lot of damage with Molotov cocktails in a short period of time.

    Replies: @Znzn

    , @Johnny Smoggins
    @Jedi Night

    Exactly.

    If Antifa/BLM were serious, they'd be bombing police stations, not looting Foot Locker and trying to hit up dumb white chicks for their numbers.

    , @dfordoom
    @Jedi Night


    LOL there’s a big difference between this street theatre LARPing and actual revolution. We are no where near revolution. In fact, I don’t even think it’s possible.
     
    I agree. A month from now this will have all blown over.

    People on the Right are getting hysterical. Again.
  8. If marauders make for small towns and suburbia, things could really get kinetic. The locals, disgusted and desperate, may meet them in the street

    I think Talha linked to this earlier:

    That is Bellvue, a wealthy suburb of Seattle (60% white, 30% Asian). The neighbors in the video are white and Asian (presumably the narrators are black) despite the “all these white people” comment from the latter.

    Meanwhile, my neighbors and I had a quick text exchange last night. A few miles from where we live, a group of rioters attacked police officers with bricks and water bottles. And there is some intel that the protests will be held closer still to where we live this weekend (the main demographics in the immediate are are 80% white, 15% Asian, but there is substantial Hispanic and some black population not too far away). Most of the neighborhood men (and young men) agreed to help me block the one access road into our development (all families but one consented to contribute a vehicle each to block the road and intersections within – I intend to create funnel with the cars).

    A majority of the men also agreed to bring their long guns and help me ward off any “protesters” or looters. I asked the owners of the two most outward houses whether they would consider making the top floors their homes available for overwatch of the byway traffic if necessary, and they unhesitatingly said yes. The next step is to create a small reaction force (in a rotating schedule) to deal with any intruders.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    >That is Bellvue, a wealthy suburb of Seattle (60% white, 30% Asian). The neighbors in the video are white and Asian (presumably the narrators are black) despite the “all these white people” comment from the latter.

    There's a surprisingly strong gun culture among white/Asian coders at places like Microsoft. Bellevue and Redmond are profiting from that right now.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  9. @Jedi Night
    LOL there's a big difference between this street theatre LARPing and actual revolution. We are no where near revolution. In fact, I don't even think it's possible.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Johnny Smoggins, @dfordoom

    We are no where near revolution. In fact, I don’t even think it’s possible.

    I’m not worried about a revolution. I am more concerned about rioters coming to my neighborhood and trying to loot or burn down the houses, and hurt my neighbors and my family. Even a handful of thugs can do a lot of damage with Molotov cocktails in a short period of time.

    • Replies: @Znzn
    @Twinkie

    Or they are just going to blast Rebecca Black music into your houses all day till you agree to peacefully leave?

  10. @Twinkie

    If marauders make for small towns and suburbia, things could really get kinetic. The locals, disgusted and desperate, may meet them in the street
     
    I think Talha linked to this earlier:
    https://twitter.com/DigitalForests/status/1267277113524133888?s=20

    That is Bellvue, a wealthy suburb of Seattle (60% white, 30% Asian). The neighbors in the video are white and Asian (presumably the narrators are black) despite the "all these white people" comment from the latter.

    Meanwhile, my neighbors and I had a quick text exchange last night. A few miles from where we live, a group of rioters attacked police officers with bricks and water bottles. And there is some intel that the protests will be held closer still to where we live this weekend (the main demographics in the immediate are are 80% white, 15% Asian, but there is substantial Hispanic and some black population not too far away). Most of the neighborhood men (and young men) agreed to help me block the one access road into our development (all families but one consented to contribute a vehicle each to block the road and intersections within - I intend to create funnel with the cars).

    A majority of the men also agreed to bring their long guns and help me ward off any "protesters" or looters. I asked the owners of the two most outward houses whether they would consider making the top floors their homes available for overwatch of the byway traffic if necessary, and they unhesitatingly said yes. The next step is to create a small reaction force (in a rotating schedule) to deal with any intruders.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >That is Bellvue, a wealthy suburb of Seattle (60% white, 30% Asian). The neighbors in the video are white and Asian (presumably the narrators are black) despite the “all these white people” comment from the latter.

    There’s a surprisingly strong gun culture among white/Asian coders at places like Microsoft. Bellevue and Redmond are profiting from that right now.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    There’s a surprisingly strong gun culture among white/Asian coders at places like Microsoft.
     
    Yup. They call it gun culture 2.0. I know MS has a gun club or two.
  11. Men in their 20s and 30s are more likely to embrace violence as a means to an end. That’s, uh, shocking.

    I’m guessing having kids really changes how you view life.

    >As is, the gaslighting is mostly limited to pretending undercover ‘white supremacists’ are behind all of this. They’d rather point to a real menace in the White House than be reduced to prevaricating about a phantom menace.

    The good news is they aren’t fooling anybody. If you go on Twitter, mainstream liberal Twitter is insistently, almost shrilly trying to decouple the violence from the “peaceful protests”: maybe because it started hitting their neighborhoods. Meanwhile, hard left-liberal Twitter isn’t denying anything: they openly taking pride in what is happening and their role in combating “the fascists”. Nobody outside the MSM and celebrities seriously seems to seriously think that these are white nationalist agents provocateurs.

    But this is not going to save Trump. Trump’s not Nixon in ’68: he’s in power, in the White House, and went into this presiding over a pandemic and mass economic contraction. Even hardcore Day 1 MAGA types are excoriating him for his handling of the riots, and honestly, it is about time. You can blame the Jared Kushners of the world all you want for Trump’s administrative blunders, but sooner or later, the buck stops with Trump. He was the one who hired and listened Kushner in the first place, and Kushner wouldn’t still be there if Trump wasn’t OK with it. He’s failing. Populist nationalism is not going anywhere in the US, but Trump’s not going to be the standard bearer: he’s dead weight.

  12. @songbird
    I'm surprised that the people in the survey were so candid regarding violence. Imagine what the numbers would be, if you added in the people who lied.

    I think a lot of people understood that our differences were irreconcilable during the whole Kaepernik thing. If you need to kneel during the national anthem, then it should be easy to see that we are not part of the same country. Though, I am speaking metaphorically. The US physically breaking up seems optimistic to me. I think its military power would have to wane significantly for that to be possible.

    I don't believe that there are perfect parallels with the USSR. Perhaps, many people now know that the system is morally and fiscally bankrupt, but I don't see how the elites are as incentivized to defect. There isn't the same round of privatizations possible, or ways for them to immediately raise their incomes. Plus, Western Europe is much more culturally enmeshed in our system than Eastern Europe ever was under Soviet influence - it forms a counterweight. And the occupying force is, IMO, not so much NATO, as it is the hordes of migrants, who cannot be ordered to stay in their barracks, or be recalled to the US.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @anon, @LondonBob

    Sure the parallels with fall of the Soviet Union aren’t quite there, the elite is alienated and there still existed the constituent nations that could breakaway relatively peacefully. I suppose Yugoslvia is a better parallel, a mixed population, enclaves and a muted form of conflict, albeit tempered by the threat of action by outside powers. I do think secession by White red states is the most likely scenario, especially as the bills are coming due, events like this psychologically prime people for it, plus session is an American tradition.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LondonBob

    In a few decades, with continuing immigration of this scale, I don't think that there will be any white states - being, as I'd define them, states with a white supermajority. They are being strategically targeted, and I'm alarmed at the changes that I've already seen.

  13. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    >That is Bellvue, a wealthy suburb of Seattle (60% white, 30% Asian). The neighbors in the video are white and Asian (presumably the narrators are black) despite the “all these white people” comment from the latter.

    There's a surprisingly strong gun culture among white/Asian coders at places like Microsoft. Bellevue and Redmond are profiting from that right now.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    There’s a surprisingly strong gun culture among white/Asian coders at places like Microsoft.

    Yup. They call it gun culture 2.0. I know MS has a gun club or two.

  14. This isn’t revolution, this is civil war, and unlike the first one, this isn’t delineated as neatly along state lines and geography as the first. It is more like country-side and suburbs versus cities and, more importantly, heavily armed versus relatively lightly armed.

    Trump offered Actve Military and National Guard support, and it was declined by areas that were going to deliver ZERO electoral college votes for him in November. Mission Accomplished. He can let them twist in the wind until things become so unbearable that they come a’begging, and he can then insist they ask nicely, and who knows … he might actually pick up a blue state or two.

    There is little upside in Trump imposing order in places that aren’t actively asking for help, and lots of upside with his teetering base for reinforcing their already-in-progress efforts to defend themselves, and there are only so many troops in CONUS to be deployed.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @The Alarmist


    There is little upside in Trump imposing order in places that aren’t actively asking for help,
     
    Tell that to the people being beaten and robbed.

    Besides, Trump is the President. It's his job to impose order.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @anonymous.

  15. People (like me) have been posting for a few years that the future of the U.S. is a blend of Brazil, Mexico, Venezuela, and Idiocracy. Like others, I thought this would take a generation or two. I was wrong. Now everything will change, very quickly. The change in administrations after the November election will be the final nail in the coffin, after Covid and the riots. Michael Goodwin concluded his NY Post op-ed yesterday with “assuming we make it until November.”

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @SafeNow

    Now isn't that a perfect little image: a White man and a dog, side by side, basically existential equals: United in the only task that matters, guarding precious special valuable chosen Jewish property, against the depredations of the (also Jew-owned) schwartzes.

    The Jewish reader in his Jewish-owned city picks up his Jewish-controlled newspaper and surely thinks, Ah, schoen gut, the heavens are in balance -- a goy and a dog, same thing really, both loyally doing exactly as they are told.

    L'chaim!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @anonymous.

    , @LondonBob
    @SafeNow

    Is it better Trump wins or not, I suppose having control of the federal government would be very important?

    The different scenarios need exploring.

    , @Wency
    @SafeNow

    Serious question: what tactical value does the dog add?

    Replies: @songbird, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Negrolphin Pool, @ChrisZ, @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @nymom
    @SafeNow

    Why do they always involve animals in these situations?

    If it's not dogs, it's horses, if it's not horses it's dolphins or carrier pigeons or something...

    Keep these animals out of these damn wars...

  16. @SafeNow
    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/front_cover.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=780

    People (like me) have been posting for a few years that the future of the U.S. is a blend of Brazil, Mexico, Venezuela, and Idiocracy. Like others, I thought this would take a generation or two. I was wrong. Now everything will change, very quickly. The change in administrations after the November election will be the final nail in the coffin, after Covid and the riots. Michael Goodwin concluded his NY Post op-ed yesterday with “assuming we make it until November.”

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @LondonBob, @Wency, @nymom

    Now isn’t that a perfect little image: a White man and a dog, side by side, basically existential equals: United in the only task that matters, guarding precious special valuable chosen Jewish property, against the depredations of the (also Jew-owned) schwartzes.

    The Jewish reader in his Jewish-owned city picks up his Jewish-controlled newspaper and surely thinks, Ah, schoen gut, the heavens are in balance — a goy and a dog, same thing really, both loyally doing exactly as they are told.

    L’chaim!

    • Agree: Johnny Smoggins
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Aren’t you commenting on a “Jew-owned” website?

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @anonymous.
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "Ah, schoen gut, the heavens are in balance"

    I lost

  17. @SafeNow
    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/front_cover.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=780

    People (like me) have been posting for a few years that the future of the U.S. is a blend of Brazil, Mexico, Venezuela, and Idiocracy. Like others, I thought this would take a generation or two. I was wrong. Now everything will change, very quickly. The change in administrations after the November election will be the final nail in the coffin, after Covid and the riots. Michael Goodwin concluded his NY Post op-ed yesterday with “assuming we make it until November.”

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @LondonBob, @Wency, @nymom

    Is it better Trump wins or not, I suppose having control of the federal government would be very important?

    The different scenarios need exploring.

  18. This is a negro/jew/liberals war vs everyone

    White america has the guns/ammo but not the will to fight right now. Separation or partition is the answer but the Jew+ negro doesn’t want that to happen.

    My advice is to buy as many AR 15’s and ammo as possible. Dare the scumbags to come into your neighborhood.

  19. @Twinkie
    @Jedi Night


    We are no where near revolution. In fact, I don’t even think it’s possible.
     
    I'm not worried about a revolution. I am more concerned about rioters coming to my neighborhood and trying to loot or burn down the houses, and hurt my neighbors and my family. Even a handful of thugs can do a lot of damage with Molotov cocktails in a short period of time.

    Replies: @Znzn

    Or they are just going to blast Rebecca Black music into your houses all day till you agree to peacefully leave?

  20. @The Alarmist
    This isn’t revolution, this is civil war, and unlike the first one, this isn’t delineated as neatly along state lines and geography as the first. It is more like country-side and suburbs versus cities and, more importantly, heavily armed versus relatively lightly armed.

    Trump offered Actve Military and National Guard support, and it was declined by areas that were going to deliver ZERO electoral college votes for him in November. Mission Accomplished. He can let them twist in the wind until things become so unbearable that they come a’begging, and he can then insist they ask nicely, and who knows ... he might actually pick up a blue state or two.

    There is little upside in Trump imposing order in places that aren’t actively asking for help, and lots of upside with his teetering base for reinforcing their already-in-progress efforts to defend themselves, and there are only so many troops in CONUS to be deployed.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    There is little upside in Trump imposing order in places that aren’t actively asking for help,

    Tell that to the people being beaten and robbed.

    Besides, Trump is the President. It’s his job to impose order.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Intelligent Dasein

    When your enemy is busy burning down his house, you certainly don’t want to give him gas, but you also don’t have to give him water. Trump can rightfully say that he offered, but ultimately deferred to the judgment of those the people had chosen in those polities.

    Trump is President of the United States ... several Blue States have already demonstrated they don’t consider themselves part of the United States. Let them twist in the wind.

    Replies: @res

    , @anonymous.
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Tell that to the people being beaten and robbed.
     
    I guarantee you that 95% of those persons voted for Hillary and would not like but love to see Trump dead. Anyone remaining in a blue state after Obama should be regarded as, well, criminally insane. I agree that on all levels except "political", Trump should have ordered in maximum force on day one and ordered weapons free, invoking Insurrection, among other things. Imposition of order is really the sole purpose of having a sovereign and a state in the first place. From an Aristotelian perspective, Trump is wrong, but from a strategic perspective, he is right. From a long-term perspective, of course, everything about Trump is wrong, but no one cares about that. If they did, we would never have been in this situation, never.
  21. Now is the time to catch the wave and start dividing states into “conservative counties” and “tranny-fa & dindu cities”. New York state, California, Michigan, Illinois, Missouri—they split into two states each. Those who want sane lives live in the conservative counties, and those who want insane lives live in the containment cities.

    It’ll balance Congress and the Senate too. You’ll get blue and red representative where now there’s only blue, due to the massive voting power of the urban hives.

    This splitting of the states is, I think, literally the only alternative to the Russian scenario of shedding half the territory, population, and economic potential, and then gradually regroup inside a smaller and weaker and healthier national state.

    • Agree: Delta G
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Rahan


    Those who want sane lives live in the conservative counties, and those who want insane lives live in the containment cities.
     
    The cities are not viable on their own.  Detroit, St. Louis, KCMO... they are utterly reliant on the food, fuel, electric power and tax money coming from suburbs and beyond.  They'll do anything to avoid separation, so it will have to be done by force.
  22. By 1992, it was gone. America is coming apart before our eyes.

    Maybe Peter Turchin got the time scale right.

  23. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @SafeNow

    Now isn't that a perfect little image: a White man and a dog, side by side, basically existential equals: United in the only task that matters, guarding precious special valuable chosen Jewish property, against the depredations of the (also Jew-owned) schwartzes.

    The Jewish reader in his Jewish-owned city picks up his Jewish-controlled newspaper and surely thinks, Ah, schoen gut, the heavens are in balance -- a goy and a dog, same thing really, both loyally doing exactly as they are told.

    L'chaim!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @anonymous.

    Aren’t you commenting on a “Jew-owned” website?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    @Twinkie

    Ron is a one-in-six-million Jew. The fact that he seems to be on our side doesn't diminish the fact that the vast majority of his coreligionists hate White people and are working feverishly to destroy the nation that Whites built.

    Perhaps because it's not directed against you, you can't notice it.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    Wow, really? You like saved up all your spent BBs and wrapped them up in some chewing gum tinfoil and then made a special slingshot out of rubber bands and sharpened Popsicle sticks and then crouched in the jungle for hours and hours, aiming and aiming and aiming for that ONE perfect shot, and then, when it came, it was....?

    Okay.

    In the summertime,
    When the weather is hot,
    You can skeedle-dee-bop,
    And skeedle-wanna-bop,
    In the summertime,
    You got skeedle-deedle-deedle bop.
    When you skeedles-dee-do,
    Then you skeedle and you skeedle on your bop.

  24. @Intelligent Dasein
    @The Alarmist


    There is little upside in Trump imposing order in places that aren’t actively asking for help,
     
    Tell that to the people being beaten and robbed.

    Besides, Trump is the President. It's his job to impose order.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @anonymous.

    When your enemy is busy burning down his house, you certainly don’t want to give him gas, but you also don’t have to give him water. Trump can rightfully say that he offered, but ultimately deferred to the judgment of those the people had chosen in those polities.

    Trump is President of the United States … several Blue States have already demonstrated they don’t consider themselves part of the United States. Let them twist in the wind.

    • Replies: @res
    @The Alarmist

    Seems pretty simple to me. Trump asks the states if they want help from him. Then the responsibility is on the states either way.

  25. Well if Radko Mladic were to sieze a few blue cities it would actually do a whole lot of good.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Znzn


    Well if Radko Mladic were to sieze a few blue cities it would actually do a whole lot of good.

     

    Pol Pot is what those cities need.
    , @Jamie_NYC
    @Znzn

    It’s Ratko Mladic. Incidentally, “rat” (pronounced like ‘rut’) means ‘war’ in Serbian.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

  26. Interesting that there is only a two point spread between “very conservative” and “very liberal”. Looks like the pump is primed for American civil war 2.0

  27. @Jedi Night
    LOL there's a big difference between this street theatre LARPing and actual revolution. We are no where near revolution. In fact, I don't even think it's possible.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Johnny Smoggins, @dfordoom

    Exactly.

    If Antifa/BLM were serious, they’d be bombing police stations, not looting Foot Locker and trying to hit up dumb white chicks for their numbers.

  28. @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Aren’t you commenting on a “Jew-owned” website?

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Ron is a one-in-six-million Jew. The fact that he seems to be on our side doesn’t diminish the fact that the vast majority of his coreligionists hate White people and are working feverishly to destroy the nation that Whites built.

    Perhaps because it’s not directed against you, you can’t notice it.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Stephen Miller, Paul Gottfried?

  29. Compared to the USSR the USA today is an empty shell with little to be gained from looting except by Blacks stealing overpriced store merchandise. Russian Oligarchs got massively valuable natural products from the collapsing USSR State. What are they going to get in the USA? The Military Industrial Complex at pennies on the Dollar during the USA collapse? After the Collapse there will be nothing left of value in the USA which is not significantly different than today.

    There is no longer any American Culture, or Society or Food or anything that a normal functioning Human would give a rats ass about. It has become a nation of intellectual dwarfs, nefarious criminals, dumb and unskilled immigrants and Ghetto Blacks whose only claim to fame is Criminal Activity. It will be like a really bad smell in an empty public bathroom with no person one can see who left that God Awful Odor. Future Philosophers will discuss this and wonder what were they eating that caused such distress and intestinal conflict.

  30. @Daniel H
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1267921090451435520

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you, Daniel. That was a great tweet.

    “We’re on your side! We’re on your f___ing side!”

  31. By your own description of the exodus, devolution will not be to the state level, as you have been saying. It will more likely be to the county level where sheriffs, loyal to their voters, can defend against the corrupt governors.

    Why?

    The exodus will be from the most disease-ridden urban areas to less disease-ridden areas, e.g. from Chicago to Des Moines. This exodus will carry with it the disease, across state borders, rendering the state governments even more prone to treat the rural areas with even greater contempt than they already do, as exemplified by Iowa’s Republican Governor who has been asking for greater refugee resettlement in Iowa.

    In the worst case, section 8 housing available in the rural areas will make even that level of devolution impractical and we’ll have a Thirty Years War scenario killing off tens of millions.

  32. Per I.D./Alarmist discussion, it sounds heartless, but then why should I feel bad for the lefties that are most of the population in the inner cites who have voted for gun control their whole lives? If one could look at a map down to the precinct level on population density vs. stance on that issue, I think he’d find a big correlation.

    There is collateral damage – the old, weak, and otherways defenseless. Just as with the Hispanics now, and the Koreans 28 years ago in Los Angeles, it’s time for neighbors to defend their own.

    I get your worry, A.E., about civil war out of this, but I don’t think a spread of these rioters to the suburbs is gonna be the cause. Once a few neighborhoods have been defended with bullets flying, the antifa Commies will back off, as they lack any real courage. The blacks will likely not even come, as the expensive sneakers and hair weaves are thin on the ground here.

  33. @Mr. Rational
    @songbird


    I am speaking metaphorically. The US physically breaking up seems optimistic to me. I think its military power would have to wane significantly for that to be possible.
     
    The US military relies on its supply lines being invulnerable.  When its electric power, fuel, and even food and water are subject to interdictment or poisoning by partisans—what can it do then?

    Especially when a large fraction of its units have gone rogue, and many of its armories and depots have been taken over by anti-government forces?

    Replies: @Wency, @songbird

    Who are these partisans?

    I’d guess there are less than 1000 non-Muslims in America who would be prepared to risk their lives operating as partisans against the US military. It’s way more appealing to play a video game about guerrilla warfare that than to die fighting the real thing. In any event, the civilian population would be entirely unsympathetic to them in pretty much every county in America.

    There is no division like you describe within the military. Military men, especially those who are in for the long haul (i.e., those who make all the decisions and have all the institutional knowledge, whether commissioned or NCOs), LIKE the US military — that’s why they sign up for it and stay in it. Most of the ones I’ve known encouraged their kids to join. They’re not going to “go rogue” — they will follow the chain of command. That’s what American military men have always done.

    Alabama is not Kandahar. And the US military is, by the way, still able to operate in Kandahar — its only failure is in grinding the Pashtuns into becoming Americans. What are the odds it wouldn’t be able to operate in Alabama?

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Wency


    I’d guess there are less than 1000 non-Muslims in America who would be prepared to risk their lives operating as partisans against the US military.
     
    A half a dozen could take out the electric power and natural gas supply of a major city.  If this was the capital city of a state with a hostile Democratic governor, do you think that the military would have any enthusiasm for going after the people who did it?

    How many partisans would it take to sneak into a base and blow up the ammo dump?

    Replies: @Lowe

    , @dfordoom
    @Wency


    Who are these partisans?
     
    They only exist in the fevered imaginations of alt-righters. Increasingly the alt-right exists in a fantasy world. It's a world of pure delusion.

    We're talking about the fantasies of keyboard warriors.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Wency



    Military men

     

    https://pictshare.net/a8uwfj.jpg

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Wency

  34. @Mr. Rational
    @songbird


    I am speaking metaphorically. The US physically breaking up seems optimistic to me. I think its military power would have to wane significantly for that to be possible.
     
    The US military relies on its supply lines being invulnerable.  When its electric power, fuel, and even food and water are subject to interdictment or poisoning by partisans—what can it do then?

    Especially when a large fraction of its units have gone rogue, and many of its armories and depots have been taken over by anti-government forces?

    Replies: @Wency, @songbird

    The state power base being urban and coastal can maintain its supply lines via the sea. This would also give them control of the skies, since airplanes can travel large distances without needing to land.

    Unless the rogues receive external support, (and I’m not sure that they would – China may be happy to have no competitors in the long term) I don’t consider their chances very good. They’d have supply lines too, more easily interrupted or seized. Guns aren’t really a match for tanks or planes or drones. The state response would be very violent and, I think, terroristic.

    As to units defecting, firstly, I think a total breakdown would take decades. The demographic situation will be a lot worse then. Whites will be lucky to be 30%. And we all know that there are many back-stabbers among us. Defection is arguably a bigger problem for us.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @songbird


    since airplanes can travel large distances without needing to land.
     
    Airplanes don't fly at all without fuel, and they don't do well without clear runways.  Setting the tank farm on fire and burning a few semis on the runways and taxiways would make it very difficult to fly.
  35. @SafeNow
    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/front_cover.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=780

    People (like me) have been posting for a few years that the future of the U.S. is a blend of Brazil, Mexico, Venezuela, and Idiocracy. Like others, I thought this would take a generation or two. I was wrong. Now everything will change, very quickly. The change in administrations after the November election will be the final nail in the coffin, after Covid and the riots. Michael Goodwin concluded his NY Post op-ed yesterday with “assuming we make it until November.”

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @LondonBob, @Wency, @nymom

    Serious question: what tactical value does the dog add?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Wency

    Dogs can be trained to do a lot of things. Some of them can be pretty useful, though the training process is very expensive and often fails. Dogs can be trained to jump on the back of a runner, knocking them down. They can be trained to follow commands via radio, and so be distant from their handlers. They are of course useful as bomb and drug sniffers.

    In this case, I'd imagine that the intended effect is primarily psychological. It is a case of "this is an animal, and he isn't afraid of lawsuits, losing his job, being blacklisted, or of being called a racist. He will bite you." In a way, it is probably like the greeters at Walmart, who cut down on store theft just by standing there.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Wency

    K9s scare the shit out of a lot of people on whom they are turned loose, and they are pretty good at immobilising the one of whom they get a hold.

    , @Dumbo
    @Wency

    Blacks are afraid of dogs.

    Also, dogs can be racist.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/canine-corner/201602/is-it-possible-dog-could-be-racist

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @Wency

    Loosed dogs are the bane of many joggers.

    , @ChrisZ
    @Wency

    You can’t put a dog on trial after he bites a thug.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Wency



    what tactical value does the dog add?

     

    https://pictshare.net/c39vfa.jpg

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  36. @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Aren’t you commenting on a “Jew-owned” website?

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Wow, really? You like saved up all your spent BBs and wrapped them up in some chewing gum tinfoil and then made a special slingshot out of rubber bands and sharpened Popsicle sticks and then crouched in the jungle for hours and hours, aiming and aiming and aiming for that ONE perfect shot, and then, when it came, it was….?

    Okay.

    In the summertime,
    When the weather is hot,
    You can skeedle-dee-bop,
    And skeedle-wanna-bop,
    In the summertime,
    You got skeedle-deedle-deedle bop.
    When you skeedles-dee-do,
    Then you skeedle and you skeedle on your bop.

  37. @The Alarmist
    @Intelligent Dasein

    When your enemy is busy burning down his house, you certainly don’t want to give him gas, but you also don’t have to give him water. Trump can rightfully say that he offered, but ultimately deferred to the judgment of those the people had chosen in those polities.

    Trump is President of the United States ... several Blue States have already demonstrated they don’t consider themselves part of the United States. Let them twist in the wind.

    Replies: @res

    Seems pretty simple to me. Trump asks the states if they want help from him. Then the responsibility is on the states either way.

  38. @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Sure the parallels with fall of the Soviet Union aren't quite there, the elite is alienated and there still existed the constituent nations that could breakaway relatively peacefully. I suppose Yugoslvia is a better parallel, a mixed population, enclaves and a muted form of conflict, albeit tempered by the threat of action by outside powers. I do think secession by White red states is the most likely scenario, especially as the bills are coming due, events like this psychologically prime people for it, plus session is an American tradition.

    Replies: @songbird

    In a few decades, with continuing immigration of this scale, I don’t think that there will be any white states – being, as I’d define them, states with a white supermajority. They are being strategically targeted, and I’m alarmed at the changes that I’ve already seen.

  39. @Lot
    Caravan of Haitians and Africans moving North toward the USA from Central America.

    Plenty of jobs for them when they arrive, right?

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1268039712230514693

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @botazefa

    Plenty of jobs for them when they arrive, right?

    Plenty of “Contact Tracing” jobs to go around, right? We can have one migrant to shadow each citizen, no pun intended.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @The Alarmist

    A Contact Tracing job might require too much methodology for some of them. But they can certainly put their precious Black Bodies to work on deconstructing whitey.

    Contact Tracing is the establishment of a surveillance infrastructure that can be repurposed into a domestic Phoenix Program. And yes, paranoia equals acute perception.

  40. @Znzn
    Well if Radko Mladic were to sieze a few blue cities it would actually do a whole lot of good.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Jamie_NYC

    Well if Radko Mladic were to sieze a few blue cities it would actually do a whole lot of good.

    Pol Pot is what those cities need.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Disagree: Audacious Epigone
    • LOL: EldnahYm
  41. @Wency
    @SafeNow

    Serious question: what tactical value does the dog add?

    Replies: @songbird, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Negrolphin Pool, @ChrisZ, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Dogs can be trained to do a lot of things. Some of them can be pretty useful, though the training process is very expensive and often fails. Dogs can be trained to jump on the back of a runner, knocking them down. They can be trained to follow commands via radio, and so be distant from their handlers. They are of course useful as bomb and drug sniffers.

    In this case, I’d imagine that the intended effect is primarily psychological. It is a case of “this is an animal, and he isn’t afraid of lawsuits, losing his job, being blacklisted, or of being called a racist. He will bite you.” In a way, it is probably like the greeters at Walmart, who cut down on store theft just by standing there.

  42. @Wency
    @SafeNow

    Serious question: what tactical value does the dog add?

    Replies: @songbird, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Negrolphin Pool, @ChrisZ, @Hippopotamusdrome

    K9s scare the shit out of a lot of people on whom they are turned loose, and they are pretty good at immobilising the one of whom they get a hold.

  43. @Rahan
    Now is the time to catch the wave and start dividing states into “conservative counties” and “tranny-fa & dindu cities”. New York state, California, Michigan, Illinois, Missouri—they split into two states each. Those who want sane lives live in the conservative counties, and those who want insane lives live in the containment cities.

    It’ll balance Congress and the Senate too. You’ll get blue and red representative where now there’s only blue, due to the massive voting power of the urban hives.

    This splitting of the states is, I think, literally the only alternative to the Russian scenario of shedding half the territory, population, and economic potential, and then gradually regroup inside a smaller and weaker and healthier national state.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Those who want sane lives live in the conservative counties, and those who want insane lives live in the containment cities.

    The cities are not viable on their own.  Detroit, St. Louis, KCMO… they are utterly reliant on the food, fuel, electric power and tax money coming from suburbs and beyond.  They’ll do anything to avoid separation, so it will have to be done by force.

  44. @Wency
    @Mr. Rational

    Who are these partisans?

    I'd guess there are less than 1000 non-Muslims in America who would be prepared to risk their lives operating as partisans against the US military. It's way more appealing to play a video game about guerrilla warfare that than to die fighting the real thing. In any event, the civilian population would be entirely unsympathetic to them in pretty much every county in America.

    There is no division like you describe within the military. Military men, especially those who are in for the long haul (i.e., those who make all the decisions and have all the institutional knowledge, whether commissioned or NCOs), LIKE the US military -- that's why they sign up for it and stay in it. Most of the ones I've known encouraged their kids to join. They're not going to "go rogue" -- they will follow the chain of command. That's what American military men have always done.

    Alabama is not Kandahar. And the US military is, by the way, still able to operate in Kandahar -- its only failure is in grinding the Pashtuns into becoming Americans. What are the odds it wouldn't be able to operate in Alabama?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @dfordoom, @Hippopotamusdrome

    I’d guess there are less than 1000 non-Muslims in America who would be prepared to risk their lives operating as partisans against the US military.

    A half a dozen could take out the electric power and natural gas supply of a major city.  If this was the capital city of a state with a hostile Democratic governor, do you think that the military would have any enthusiasm for going after the people who did it?

    How many partisans would it take to sneak into a base and blow up the ammo dump?

    • Replies: @Lowe
    @Mr. Rational

    It would take a lot of partisans to blow up an ammo dump, because you need a population of them large enough to draw from it a good-enough team.

    If there is anything that would prevent the US military from putting down a domestic insurrection, it's probably the amount of adverse selection that has occurred in its officer corps over recent decades.

    This is also why US political elites just can't keep it together any more. They are not that smart. What has happened to New York City and Chicago over the past few months, is proof of it. Leftwing ideology has had a price.

  45. @songbird
    @Mr. Rational

    The state power base being urban and coastal can maintain its supply lines via the sea. This would also give them control of the skies, since airplanes can travel large distances without needing to land.

    Unless the rogues receive external support, (and I'm not sure that they would - China may be happy to have no competitors in the long term) I don't consider their chances very good. They'd have supply lines too, more easily interrupted or seized. Guns aren't really a match for tanks or planes or drones. The state response would be very violent and, I think, terroristic.

    As to units defecting, firstly, I think a total breakdown would take decades. The demographic situation will be a lot worse then. Whites will be lucky to be 30%. And we all know that there are many back-stabbers among us. Defection is arguably a bigger problem for us.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    since airplanes can travel large distances without needing to land.

    Airplanes don’t fly at all without fuel, and they don’t do well without clear runways.  Setting the tank farm on fire and burning a few semis on the runways and taxiways would make it very difficult to fly.

  46. @Wency
    @SafeNow

    Serious question: what tactical value does the dog add?

    Replies: @songbird, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Negrolphin Pool, @ChrisZ, @Hippopotamusdrome

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Dumbo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhkrvBNnAcw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIGz2kyo26U

  47. @Dumbo
    @Wency

    Blacks are afraid of dogs.

    Also, dogs can be racist.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/canine-corner/201602/is-it-possible-dog-could-be-racist

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  48. Best bet is to leave the cities and inner ring suburbs if you can. Work remote. Go into fields which are in demand in rural areas. Get out of the cities and get to places which will allow for more defensible, manageable borders in the future

    https://hungergapfarm.com/a-word-on-the-current-troubles/

  49. Lowe says:
    @Mr. Rational
    @Wency


    I’d guess there are less than 1000 non-Muslims in America who would be prepared to risk their lives operating as partisans against the US military.
     
    A half a dozen could take out the electric power and natural gas supply of a major city.  If this was the capital city of a state with a hostile Democratic governor, do you think that the military would have any enthusiasm for going after the people who did it?

    How many partisans would it take to sneak into a base and blow up the ammo dump?

    Replies: @Lowe

    It would take a lot of partisans to blow up an ammo dump, because you need a population of them large enough to draw from it a good-enough team.

    If there is anything that would prevent the US military from putting down a domestic insurrection, it’s probably the amount of adverse selection that has occurred in its officer corps over recent decades.

    This is also why US political elites just can’t keep it together any more. They are not that smart. What has happened to New York City and Chicago over the past few months, is proof of it. Leftwing ideology has had a price.

  50. @Znzn
    Well if Radko Mladic were to sieze a few blue cities it would actually do a whole lot of good.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Jamie_NYC

    It’s Ratko Mladic. Incidentally, “rat” (pronounced like ‘rut’) means ‘war’ in Serbian.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Jamie_NYC

    General Ratko Mladić was and is a hero!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJyIFfdwxRo

  51. I remember well the mix of incredulity and mockery my warnings about the coming political dissolution were greeted with a decade ago. Predictions of the Soviet Union’s impending collapse seemed similarly absurd in 1982. By 1992, it was gone. America is coming apart before our eyes.

    I’m personally still fairly skeptical of such predictions of mass violence/political dissolution. One of the most important takeaways for me from Philip Tetlock’s research on forecasting is that people tend to overestimate how much things will change, whether for good or ill, at least in the short run. (There’s a famous line about people “Overestimating how much change new technology brings in the short run and underestimating how much it brings in the long run.”)

    There have been race riots in the US before, notably LA in 1992 (Rooftop Koreans), Newark and Detroit (among others) in the “Long Hot Summer” of 1967, Watts in 1965 and Harlem in 1964. (Without even considering earlier cases of non-black riots like the 1863 NYC draft riots.) They led to tragic loss of life and property destruction, but were ultimately contained without escalating into/presaging more widespread violent racial/political conflict. Consequently, my prior, which is certainly open to change based on new evidence, is that the current race riots will probably be contained and followed (at least in the short run where predictions are viable) by “normalcy” rather than increased conflict.

    To put some specific numbers on it, most previous race riots seem to have resulted in less than 100 deaths, and less than $2 billion (in today’s inflation-adjusted) dollars worth of property damage [1]. So I’d be surprised if the current riots result in more than 400 deaths and more than $3 billion worth of damage. As Adam Smith observed, “There is a great deal of ruin in a nation,” and the US, with a population of ~330 million and a GDP of ~$20.5 trillion, seems to me to have quite a bit more ruin left than will result from these riots.

    None of which, of course, should obscure the suffering of those who have been assaulted or robbed by the rioters or the disgraceful, cowardly behavior of officials at every level of government, frankly up to and including President Trump, who have refused to take aggressive action to protect law-abiding citizens from the mobs up to this point. (Or the need to ensure the safety of your person, property and loved ones, but hopefully that should go without saying.)

    [1] https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2020/06/02/297361.htm

    The civil disturbance in Los Angeles after the videotaped police beating of Rodney King in April and May 1992 caused $775 million in damages — or $1.42 billion in today’s dollars, according to the Insurance Information Institute…

    The National Guard reported on Monday that it had deployed troops in 24 states to protect lives and property.

    “We expect this to be a significant loss event as the impact is being experienced in large and small markets across the U.S.,” stated III spokesman Mark Friedlander. “However, because it is an ongoing event, it is premature to determine the volume of property loss that will be incurred.”

    Civil disturbances generally cause modest property losses when compared to natural disasters, data from the Insurance Information Institute shows. Rioting in Los Angeles in August 1965 — the second costliest civil disorder — caused $357 million in damages, measured in 2020 dollars. Together, riots in Baltimore, Chicago and New York City in April 1968 caused $231 million in damages in today’s dollars.

    By comparison, Hurricane Harvey in 2017 caused an estimated $20 billion in damages.’Verisk’s Property Claims Service over the weekend declared the riots a catastrophe event, which means it projects damages of more than $25 million.

    PCS hasn’t designated a civil disturbance as a catastrophe since the Baltimore riots in 2015.

    PCS head Tom Johansmeyer said the riots that were sparked by Floyd’s death may be the first civil disorder tracked by PCS that includes more than one state.

    Johansmeyer said “to better understand” potential riots from current rioting, it make sense to look at losses caused by civil unrest last year in Chile — which grew from protests over an increase in subway fares in Santiago. Rioting there caused insured losses of $2 billion. About a third of that came from property claims from a handful of large retailers.

    “When you look at the United States, riot and civil disorder may generally look like a sub-US $100 million risk, although with the potential for much greater losses,” Johansmeyer said in an email to Claims Journal. “But, when you add a handful of large national or international companies with losses of more than US $100 million each, you could see a much larger industry loss begin to materialize. The large losses within the catastrophe could change the character of the overall event.”

    Keefe, Bruyette & Woods analyst Meyer Shields said Monday that his best guess is losses from the current riots will be “relatively modest.” Nevertheless, the losses will combine with losses related to COVID-19 claims and property damage from a predicted above-average hurricane season to amount to a “capital event” for some reinsurers.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Political dissolution need not be violent. The Soviet Union wasn't especially so given how violent it could have been and America's breakup needn't be violent, either. The more seriously and soberly we approach what more and more people are daily coming to realize is an inevitability, and the sooner we do so, the better the outcome will be for everyone.

  52. @Lot
    Caravan of Haitians and Africans moving North toward the USA from Central America.

    Plenty of jobs for them when they arrive, right?

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1268039712230514693

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @botazefa

    From the Reuters story:

    An activist in the town the group left from said 102 had started out in the morning, including a dozen Cubans. Lizandro Vallecillo, a spokesman for the national migration institute, said he counted 50 people from television images

    Not much of a caravan, yet.

  53. I’d thought that we were due for a re-run of Wiemar Germany and in many ways we still are.
    The greater goal seems to be an overturning of everything accomplished by the Enlightenment.
    The Global Warming Scam was the official death of science and the laughable “replication crisis” in the so called social sciences show what hoax all that is. Ferguson’s appalling piece if shit “Model” typifies the new approach: If it reinforces the official line, it is correct.

    Lèse-majesté is back in vogue. disrespecting the random edicts of petty tyrants is now punishable by prison time in most of the West rather than a specialty of the Thai’s and Saudi’s.
    The New Overseers- Twitter, FaceFook et al have reversed the hi-tech version of a Wikipedia summary line ” Philosophers and scientists of the period widely circulated their ideas through meetings at scientific academies, Masonic lodges, literary salons, coffeehouses and in printed books, journals, and pamphlets.” All now verboten or expunged.

    The Dark Winter exercises are a harbinger, The Endarkenment is upon us.We are entering the new Dark Ages.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Bill Jones


    The greater goal seems to be an overturning of everything accomplished by the Enlightenment.
     
    These protests, these riots, these constant cries of racism and calls for redistribution, for special favors for minority groups, for open borders, for UBI---this is the Enlightenment. Where do you think these ideas came from? Overturning the Enlightenment would be a step towards tradition and order and real justice. It would be an unmitigated good thing.
    , @Kratoklastes
    @Bill Jones

    I agree completely on Ferguson's Erlichian numerical-catastrophism (and the charlatans who do climate forecasts), but you don't know what you're talking about re: the replication crisis.

    The problem is at least as bad in pharma/medical research, as it is elsewhere. It's true that I attack psychobabble research (on the basis that less than 40% of the most-cited research in the field replicates), but take a look at RetractionWatch sometime: corrupt research practices are ubiquitous, and corruption varies with the amount of money on offer. (The reason that quant eco papers stand up reasonably well, isbecause thepersonal stakes are so low).

  54. The lesson I took out of the last two weeks, is that exile is an inevitability or else we will submit.

    Insurrection isn’t happening, we don’t have the spine for it.

    Belarus or Bust

    • Replies: @songbird
    @216

    The lesson that I took is that bioculture is a real phenomenon.

  55. AE, I re-read the following essay today and it gets to the calm and logical truth.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/antiracism-our-flawed-new-religion

    Not necessarily with its religion comparison, but actually on a deeper level. It correctly appreciates the good that “antiracism” has done, while pragmatically showing how it stands in the way of real progress.

    It is a sobering read for those understandably reacting to the blue sponsored chaos and black megalomania with their own emotions.

    Yet I’m torn.

    And perhaps I’m not, for underneath all of the logic I recognise that, at some point, with anyone who seeks to make their emotions override your own, you need to turn your volume up. Or separate.

    The latter isn’t an option yet, so it leaves me wondering: what would be an authentic expression of feeling in this moment?

    It would at least be the only expression that would be understood.

    However, can modern white people even do this on their own behalf?

    If possible then it is certain to say that whomever absolutely captures this expressiveness will be that Zeitgeist manifest.

    White Americans, in this conflict, have either been “lizard people” – unable to show feeling…or pathetic co-dependents, entirely reliant on blacks to provide purpose and authenticity for them.

    Let me ask, with no analysis please, how do these events truly make you feel?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Scared for my children's future.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

  56. @216
    The lesson I took out of the last two weeks, is that exile is an inevitability or else we will submit.

    Insurrection isn't happening, we don't have the spine for it.

    Belarus or Bust

    Replies: @songbird

    The lesson that I took is that bioculture is a real phenomenon.

  57. @Wency
    @SafeNow

    Serious question: what tactical value does the dog add?

    Replies: @songbird, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Negrolphin Pool, @ChrisZ, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Loosed dogs are the bane of many joggers.

  58. @Bill Jones
    I'd thought that we were due for a re-run of Wiemar Germany and in many ways we still are.
    The greater goal seems to be an overturning of everything accomplished by the Enlightenment.
    The Global Warming Scam was the official death of science and the laughable "replication crisis" in the so called social sciences show what hoax all that is. Ferguson's appalling piece if shit "Model" typifies the new approach: If it reinforces the official line, it is correct.

    Lèse-majesté is back in vogue. disrespecting the random edicts of petty tyrants is now punishable by prison time in most of the West rather than a specialty of the Thai's and Saudi's.
    The New Overseers- Twitter, FaceFook et al have reversed the hi-tech version of a Wikipedia summary line " Philosophers and scientists of the period widely circulated their ideas through meetings at scientific academies, Masonic lodges, literary salons, coffeehouses and in printed books, journals, and pamphlets." All now verboten or expunged.

    The Dark Winter exercises are a harbinger, The Endarkenment is upon us.We are entering the new Dark Ages.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Kratoklastes

    The greater goal seems to be an overturning of everything accomplished by the Enlightenment.

    These protests, these riots, these constant cries of racism and calls for redistribution, for special favors for minority groups, for open borders, for UBI—this is the Enlightenment. Where do you think these ideas came from? Overturning the Enlightenment would be a step towards tradition and order and real justice. It would be an unmitigated good thing.

    • Agree: Old Palo Altan
  59. The fundamental problem in America right now, especially in the big cities, is a lack of spirituality.

    Ordinarily, when there is mass unemployment, economic hardship, virus outbreaks etc. people would seek refuge in their religion, community or family. The new generation of Americans don’t have a religion, don’t have a community, don’t have kids and don’t have homes. Their last place of refuge is wokeism. The current dire situation is supercharging wokeism.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Yahya K.

    The fundamental problem in America right now, especially in the big cities, is a lack of spirituality.

    Is this you, AaronB?

    , @Kratoklastes
    @Yahya K.

    Yeah - because having gullible dickheads who believe stupid stories about how a Sky Maniac will give them stuff after they die, is tailor-made to avoid people getting uppity about being raped.

    I can see how that would work from the perspective of the grifting classes... almost like organised religion was invented for exactly that purpose.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    , @songbird
    @Yahya K.

    Prague is pretty irreligious and doesn't manifest with these riots. And I think the same case could be made for many East Asian cities. That's not to say that those places don't have other problems, or religion wouldn't help, but the primary explanation for wokeism seems to be demographics.

    Replies: @Yahya K.

  60. @Yahya K.
    The fundamental problem in America right now, especially in the big cities, is a lack of spirituality.

    Ordinarily, when there is mass unemployment, economic hardship, virus outbreaks etc. people would seek refuge in their religion, community or family. The new generation of Americans don't have a religion, don't have a community, don't have kids and don't have homes. Their last place of refuge is wokeism. The current dire situation is supercharging wokeism.

    Replies: @iffen, @Kratoklastes, @songbird

    The fundamental problem in America right now, especially in the big cities, is a lack of spirituality.

    Is this you, AaronB?

  61. How stupid were the people answering this poll? Even for Americans they must’ve tilted strongly “retard”.

    What do you reckon the US national flag would’ve looked like without violence? Answer – for those retards who think violence is never the answer… the Union Jack. It would’ve looked a lot like the fucking Union Jack.

    No violence? No Tea Party. A sitdown with linked arms at Lexington and Concord – yeah, that sure would have changed things. Maybe some sort of petition. #ColonistLivesMatter or #OccupyValleyForge… yeah, that would have worked.

    You fucking imbeciles who think House Negro MLKJr is the answer, forget that MalcolmX had Whitey shitting their tighty-whities. John Brown was obviously mentally ill, but his actions did more than all of Garrison’s pamphleteering. And so on.

    No meaningful social change is possible without violence. And you can be 100% certain that the scum who grift off society will not give up their use of violence… no Siree Bob.

    This is not fucking news, you mouth-breathers.

    The Peasants Revolt of 1381 failed because Wat Tyler accepted a parlay (at which he was fucking assassinated).

    Political vermin only understand violence. Unless that is a credible threat, they will never reform.

    • Agree: VinnyVette
  62. @Yahya K.
    The fundamental problem in America right now, especially in the big cities, is a lack of spirituality.

    Ordinarily, when there is mass unemployment, economic hardship, virus outbreaks etc. people would seek refuge in their religion, community or family. The new generation of Americans don't have a religion, don't have a community, don't have kids and don't have homes. Their last place of refuge is wokeism. The current dire situation is supercharging wokeism.

    Replies: @iffen, @Kratoklastes, @songbird

    Yeah – because having gullible dickheads who believe stupid stories about how a Sky Maniac will give them stuff after they die, is tailor-made to avoid people getting uppity about being raped.

    I can see how that would work from the perspective of the grifting classes… almost like organised religion was invented for exactly that purpose.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Kratoklastes

    I could pray for you, or I could call you what you are, which is a dumbass.

    But I think I'll do both.

    Dumbass.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  63. @Bill Jones
    I'd thought that we were due for a re-run of Wiemar Germany and in many ways we still are.
    The greater goal seems to be an overturning of everything accomplished by the Enlightenment.
    The Global Warming Scam was the official death of science and the laughable "replication crisis" in the so called social sciences show what hoax all that is. Ferguson's appalling piece if shit "Model" typifies the new approach: If it reinforces the official line, it is correct.

    Lèse-majesté is back in vogue. disrespecting the random edicts of petty tyrants is now punishable by prison time in most of the West rather than a specialty of the Thai's and Saudi's.
    The New Overseers- Twitter, FaceFook et al have reversed the hi-tech version of a Wikipedia summary line " Philosophers and scientists of the period widely circulated their ideas through meetings at scientific academies, Masonic lodges, literary salons, coffeehouses and in printed books, journals, and pamphlets." All now verboten or expunged.

    The Dark Winter exercises are a harbinger, The Endarkenment is upon us.We are entering the new Dark Ages.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Kratoklastes

    I agree completely on Ferguson’s Erlichian numerical-catastrophism (and the charlatans who do climate forecasts), but you don’t know what you’re talking about re: the replication crisis.

    The problem is at least as bad in pharma/medical research, as it is elsewhere. It’s true that I attack psychobabble research (on the basis that less than 40% of the most-cited research in the field replicates), but take a look at RetractionWatch sometime: corrupt research practices are ubiquitous, and corruption varies with the amount of money on offer. (The reason that quant eco papers stand up reasonably well, isbecause thepersonal stakes are so low).

  64. @Jamie_NYC
    @Znzn

    It’s Ratko Mladic. Incidentally, “rat” (pronounced like ‘rut’) means ‘war’ in Serbian.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    General Ratko Mladić was and is a hero!

  65. @Kratoklastes
    @Yahya K.

    Yeah - because having gullible dickheads who believe stupid stories about how a Sky Maniac will give them stuff after they die, is tailor-made to avoid people getting uppity about being raped.

    I can see how that would work from the perspective of the grifting classes... almost like organised religion was invented for exactly that purpose.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I could pray for you, or I could call you what you are, which is a dumbass.

    But I think I’ll do both.

    Dumbass.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    K-Man,

    Nobody has been better than you at calling out the Covid-19 nonsense. You've done first rate work in this area and you are a very bright guy. But your take on religion is that of an 8th grade smartass who just read his first Dawkins book. This is supremely shallow stuff. I will pray for you too.

  66. Don’t expect enlightenment from the tribe. Their greed has blinded them to anything but their stupid mad dreams of making the Whole World into Palestine.

    Their Infernal Master is Most DISPLEASED.

    Expect fortunes to turn and the World to go upside down again to Rightside up.

    Everything comes to an end.

    The Jewish Century 1914-2019.

    ITS DIFFERENT THIS TIME…

  67. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Kratoklastes

    I could pray for you, or I could call you what you are, which is a dumbass.

    But I think I'll do both.

    Dumbass.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    K-Man,

    Nobody has been better than you at calling out the Covid-19 nonsense. You’ve done first rate work in this area and you are a very bright guy. But your take on religion is that of an 8th grade smartass who just read his first Dawkins book. This is supremely shallow stuff. I will pray for you too.

    • Agree: Manfred Arcane
  68. @Wency
    @SafeNow

    Serious question: what tactical value does the dog add?

    Replies: @songbird, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Negrolphin Pool, @ChrisZ, @Hippopotamusdrome

    You can’t put a dog on trial after he bites a thug.

  69. Oh, bullshit. It’s not a civil war. Millions of people unemployed with nothing else to do, there’s gonna be some rioting, sorry. Actually, this rioting is rather polite and quiet and mild compared to real rioting. I guess most of you are young. And I find young people today find it impossible to even imagine the past. When riots were riots and I mean no fucking around.

    • Replies: @216
    @obwandiyag

    In the space of one week, BLM and the establishment won this civil war.

    America is over.

    Replies: @WorkingClass

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @obwandiyag

    "It's not a civil war."

    It's civil war-adjacent. But we still haven't approached the level of violence seen in 1968. At least not yet.

  70. @Jedi Night
    LOL there's a big difference between this street theatre LARPing and actual revolution. We are no where near revolution. In fact, I don't even think it's possible.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Johnny Smoggins, @dfordoom

    LOL there’s a big difference between this street theatre LARPing and actual revolution. We are no where near revolution. In fact, I don’t even think it’s possible.

    I agree. A month from now this will have all blown over.

    People on the Right are getting hysterical. Again.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  71. @obwandiyag
    Oh, bullshit. It's not a civil war. Millions of people unemployed with nothing else to do, there's gonna be some rioting, sorry. Actually, this rioting is rather polite and quiet and mild compared to real rioting. I guess most of you are young. And I find young people today find it impossible to even imagine the past. When riots were riots and I mean no fucking around.

    Replies: @216, @SunBakedSuburb

    In the space of one week, BLM and the establishment won this civil war.

    America is over.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    @216

    I certainly agree with your conclusion. Trump should resign in disgust. And take Pence with him. Let Nancy preside over the burning of the blue cities. Nothing good can come from The District Of Corruption. We only need to be shed of it.

  72. @Wency
    @Mr. Rational

    Who are these partisans?

    I'd guess there are less than 1000 non-Muslims in America who would be prepared to risk their lives operating as partisans against the US military. It's way more appealing to play a video game about guerrilla warfare that than to die fighting the real thing. In any event, the civilian population would be entirely unsympathetic to them in pretty much every county in America.

    There is no division like you describe within the military. Military men, especially those who are in for the long haul (i.e., those who make all the decisions and have all the institutional knowledge, whether commissioned or NCOs), LIKE the US military -- that's why they sign up for it and stay in it. Most of the ones I've known encouraged their kids to join. They're not going to "go rogue" -- they will follow the chain of command. That's what American military men have always done.

    Alabama is not Kandahar. And the US military is, by the way, still able to operate in Kandahar -- its only failure is in grinding the Pashtuns into becoming Americans. What are the odds it wouldn't be able to operate in Alabama?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @dfordoom, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Who are these partisans?

    They only exist in the fevered imaginations of alt-righters. Increasingly the alt-right exists in a fantasy world. It’s a world of pure delusion.

    We’re talking about the fantasies of keyboard warriors.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  73. And I’m not voting for re-election

    Capitulation

    The Chinese Communist Party is unironically less anti-white than both Trump and Biden.

  74. It has to come apart before something can perhaps be salvaged.

  75. @216
    @obwandiyag

    In the space of one week, BLM and the establishment won this civil war.

    America is over.

    Replies: @WorkingClass

    I certainly agree with your conclusion. Trump should resign in disgust. And take Pence with him. Let Nancy preside over the burning of the blue cities. Nothing good can come from The District Of Corruption. We only need to be shed of it.

  76. @Wency
    @Mr. Rational

    Who are these partisans?

    I'd guess there are less than 1000 non-Muslims in America who would be prepared to risk their lives operating as partisans against the US military. It's way more appealing to play a video game about guerrilla warfare that than to die fighting the real thing. In any event, the civilian population would be entirely unsympathetic to them in pretty much every county in America.

    There is no division like you describe within the military. Military men, especially those who are in for the long haul (i.e., those who make all the decisions and have all the institutional knowledge, whether commissioned or NCOs), LIKE the US military -- that's why they sign up for it and stay in it. Most of the ones I've known encouraged their kids to join. They're not going to "go rogue" -- they will follow the chain of command. That's what American military men have always done.

    Alabama is not Kandahar. And the US military is, by the way, still able to operate in Kandahar -- its only failure is in grinding the Pashtuns into becoming Americans. What are the odds it wouldn't be able to operate in Alabama?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @dfordoom, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Military men

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    The Black Lady Problem.

    , @Wency
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Black females were 3% of West Point's 2019 class. The graduates were about 80% white, and 80% male. My guess is that, among those who are still in the service after 5 years, the numbers will skew whiter and more male. Getting moved around and deployed sucks, and it's pretty tough to avoid it until late stages of your career.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

  77. @Wency
    @SafeNow

    Serious question: what tactical value does the dog add?

    Replies: @songbird, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Negrolphin Pool, @ChrisZ, @Hippopotamusdrome

    what tactical value does the dog add?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Yes, images of black men being brutalized aren't fueling the destruction, so let's have more of them! /s

    Sheesh.

  78. @Yahya K.
    The fundamental problem in America right now, especially in the big cities, is a lack of spirituality.

    Ordinarily, when there is mass unemployment, economic hardship, virus outbreaks etc. people would seek refuge in their religion, community or family. The new generation of Americans don't have a religion, don't have a community, don't have kids and don't have homes. Their last place of refuge is wokeism. The current dire situation is supercharging wokeism.

    Replies: @iffen, @Kratoklastes, @songbird

    Prague is pretty irreligious and doesn’t manifest with these riots. And I think the same case could be made for many East Asian cities. That’s not to say that those places don’t have other problems, or religion wouldn’t help, but the primary explanation for wokeism seems to be demographics.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
    @songbird

    Good points. Thanks.

  79. @The Alarmist
    @Lot


    Plenty of jobs for them when they arrive, right?
     
    Plenty of "Contact Tracing" jobs to go around, right? We can have one migrant to shadow each citizen, no pun intended.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    A Contact Tracing job might require too much methodology for some of them. But they can certainly put their precious Black Bodies to work on deconstructing whitey.

    Contact Tracing is the establishment of a surveillance infrastructure that can be repurposed into a domestic Phoenix Program. And yes, paranoia equals acute perception.

  80. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Wency



    Military men

     

    https://pictshare.net/a8uwfj.jpg

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Wency

    The Black Lady Problem.

  81. @obwandiyag
    Oh, bullshit. It's not a civil war. Millions of people unemployed with nothing else to do, there's gonna be some rioting, sorry. Actually, this rioting is rather polite and quiet and mild compared to real rioting. I guess most of you are young. And I find young people today find it impossible to even imagine the past. When riots were riots and I mean no fucking around.

    Replies: @216, @SunBakedSuburb

    “It’s not a civil war.”

    It’s civil war-adjacent. But we still haven’t approached the level of violence seen in 1968. At least not yet.

  82. Is this a safe space for tough guys? I don’t quite understand why I can’t post dissenting opinions on your little boys club here? Is your moderator a snowflake, or is he worry about all of YOUR feelings? Lots of opinions here, but how many of you boys still live within a few miles of your parents? You maybe work a job that’s not very fulfilling, don’t have any friends with different cultural backgrounds? Sound familiar? Try a little life experience. Move to a city… you might find that nobody cares about you and you’re perfectly safe and sound. You don’t need to be afraid of black men, in fact the good news is you’re not significant enough to register in the lives of other people. It’s a difficult thing to deal with, learning that you’re not a special snowflake… but it’s part of growing up. Give it a try, then you can trash talk cities and type tough guy stuff about crime rates and garbage science like HBD from your own basement rather than your mom’s.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @moveoutfoyourmomsbasement

    The gap between provincials (deplorables) and cosmopolitans is becoming unbridgeable. Why should either side feel compelled to force their values on the other? This country is too big and too disunited to have as much centralized authority as it does.

  83. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Wency



    Military men

     

    https://pictshare.net/a8uwfj.jpg

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Wency

    Black females were 3% of West Point’s 2019 class. The graduates were about 80% white, and 80% male. My guess is that, among those who are still in the service after 5 years, the numbers will skew whiter and more male. Getting moved around and deployed sucks, and it’s pretty tough to avoid it until late stages of your career.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Wency

    Good to know demographics will be frozon at circa 2020 levels and will never cange for the worse in the future.

  84. @songbird
    @Yahya K.

    Prague is pretty irreligious and doesn't manifest with these riots. And I think the same case could be made for many East Asian cities. That's not to say that those places don't have other problems, or religion wouldn't help, but the primary explanation for wokeism seems to be demographics.

    Replies: @Yahya K.

    Good points. Thanks.

  85. As bad as it is, Brazil still functions, and so does Venezuela, and so does South Africa.

    The War on Drugs kept a lot of white boys employed. Policing the vast unemployed underclass will be the next big business.

    It’s a stupid job for men who don’t think much beyond getting well-paid. Like dogs being pitted against other dogs, its just a game to keep the dangerous ones (white males) occupied and not turning on their masters.

  86. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @SafeNow

    Now isn't that a perfect little image: a White man and a dog, side by side, basically existential equals: United in the only task that matters, guarding precious special valuable chosen Jewish property, against the depredations of the (also Jew-owned) schwartzes.

    The Jewish reader in his Jewish-owned city picks up his Jewish-controlled newspaper and surely thinks, Ah, schoen gut, the heavens are in balance -- a goy and a dog, same thing really, both loyally doing exactly as they are told.

    L'chaim!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @anonymous.

    “Ah, schoen gut, the heavens are in balance”

    I lost

  87. @Intelligent Dasein
    @The Alarmist


    There is little upside in Trump imposing order in places that aren’t actively asking for help,
     
    Tell that to the people being beaten and robbed.

    Besides, Trump is the President. It's his job to impose order.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @anonymous.

    Tell that to the people being beaten and robbed.

    I guarantee you that 95% of those persons voted for Hillary and would not like but love to see Trump dead. Anyone remaining in a blue state after Obama should be regarded as, well, criminally insane. I agree that on all levels except “political”, Trump should have ordered in maximum force on day one and ordered weapons free, invoking Insurrection, among other things. Imposition of order is really the sole purpose of having a sovereign and a state in the first place. From an Aristotelian perspective, Trump is wrong, but from a strategic perspective, he is right. From a long-term perspective, of course, everything about Trump is wrong, but no one cares about that. If they did, we would never have been in this situation, never.

  88. @Wency
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Black females were 3% of West Point's 2019 class. The graduates were about 80% white, and 80% male. My guess is that, among those who are still in the service after 5 years, the numbers will skew whiter and more male. Getting moved around and deployed sucks, and it's pretty tough to avoid it until late stages of your career.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    Good to know demographics will be frozon at circa 2020 levels and will never cange for the worse in the future.

  89. The left-leaning media in Canada are apoplectic that Trump would use the army to keep order, but in 1970, the Canadian PM did just that. It was his most memorable moment and history has proved him correct.

    In this video clip, he replies to a reporter on the steps of Parliament.

  90. Time for a follow on question.

    Violent acts are acceptable from people who disagree with me seeking to achieve their idea of a better society?

    • Replies: @iffen
    @res

    Violent acts are acceptable from people who disagree with me seeking to achieve their idea of a better society?

    Well, fuck no!

  91. @res
    Time for a follow on question.

    Violent acts are acceptable from people who disagree with me seeking to achieve their idea of a better society?

    Replies: @iffen

    Violent acts are acceptable from people who disagree with me seeking to achieve their idea of a better society?

    Well, fuck no!

  92. @SafeNow
    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/front_cover.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=780

    People (like me) have been posting for a few years that the future of the U.S. is a blend of Brazil, Mexico, Venezuela, and Idiocracy. Like others, I thought this would take a generation or two. I was wrong. Now everything will change, very quickly. The change in administrations after the November election will be the final nail in the coffin, after Covid and the riots. Michael Goodwin concluded his NY Post op-ed yesterday with “assuming we make it until November.”

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @LondonBob, @Wency, @nymom

    Why do they always involve animals in these situations?

    If it’s not dogs, it’s horses, if it’s not horses it’s dolphins or carrier pigeons or something…

    Keep these animals out of these damn wars…

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  93. @Johnny Smoggins
    @Twinkie

    Ron is a one-in-six-million Jew. The fact that he seems to be on our side doesn't diminish the fact that the vast majority of his coreligionists hate White people and are working feverishly to destroy the nation that Whites built.

    Perhaps because it's not directed against you, you can't notice it.

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    Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Stephen Miller, Paul Gottfried?

  94. @Stolen Valor Detective

    I remember well the mix of incredulity and mockery my warnings about the coming political dissolution were greeted with a decade ago. Predictions of the Soviet Union’s impending collapse seemed similarly absurd in 1982. By 1992, it was gone. America is coming apart before our eyes.
     
    I'm personally still fairly skeptical of such predictions of mass violence/political dissolution. One of the most important takeaways for me from Philip Tetlock's research on forecasting is that people tend to overestimate how much things will change, whether for good or ill, at least in the short run. (There's a famous line about people "Overestimating how much change new technology brings in the short run and underestimating how much it brings in the long run.")

    There have been race riots in the US before, notably LA in 1992 (Rooftop Koreans), Newark and Detroit (among others) in the "Long Hot Summer" of 1967, Watts in 1965 and Harlem in 1964. (Without even considering earlier cases of non-black riots like the 1863 NYC draft riots.) They led to tragic loss of life and property destruction, but were ultimately contained without escalating into/presaging more widespread violent racial/political conflict. Consequently, my prior, which is certainly open to change based on new evidence, is that the current race riots will probably be contained and followed (at least in the short run where predictions are viable) by "normalcy" rather than increased conflict.

    To put some specific numbers on it, most previous race riots seem to have resulted in less than 100 deaths, and less than $2 billion (in today's inflation-adjusted) dollars worth of property damage [1]. So I'd be surprised if the current riots result in more than 400 deaths and more than $3 billion worth of damage. As Adam Smith observed, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and the US, with a population of ~330 million and a GDP of ~$20.5 trillion, seems to me to have quite a bit more ruin left than will result from these riots.

    None of which, of course, should obscure the suffering of those who have been assaulted or robbed by the rioters or the disgraceful, cowardly behavior of officials at every level of government, frankly up to and including President Trump, who have refused to take aggressive action to protect law-abiding citizens from the mobs up to this point. (Or the need to ensure the safety of your person, property and loved ones, but hopefully that should go without saying.)

    [1] https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2020/06/02/297361.htm


    The civil disturbance in Los Angeles after the videotaped police beating of Rodney King in April and May 1992 caused $775 million in damages — or $1.42 billion in today’s dollars, according to the Insurance Information Institute...

    The National Guard reported on Monday that it had deployed troops in 24 states to protect lives and property.

    “We expect this to be a significant loss event as the impact is being experienced in large and small markets across the U.S.,” stated III spokesman Mark Friedlander. “However, because it is an ongoing event, it is premature to determine the volume of property loss that will be incurred.”

    Civil disturbances generally cause modest property losses when compared to natural disasters, data from the Insurance Information Institute shows. Rioting in Los Angeles in August 1965 — the second costliest civil disorder — caused $357 million in damages, measured in 2020 dollars. Together, riots in Baltimore, Chicago and New York City in April 1968 caused $231 million in damages in today’s dollars.

    By comparison, Hurricane Harvey in 2017 caused an estimated $20 billion in damages.’Verisk’s Property Claims Service over the weekend declared the riots a catastrophe event, which means it projects damages of more than $25 million.

    PCS hasn’t designated a civil disturbance as a catastrophe since the Baltimore riots in 2015.

    PCS head Tom Johansmeyer said the riots that were sparked by Floyd’s death may be the first civil disorder tracked by PCS that includes more than one state.

    Johansmeyer said “to better understand” potential riots from current rioting, it make sense to look at losses caused by civil unrest last year in Chile — which grew from protests over an increase in subway fares in Santiago. Rioting there caused insured losses of $2 billion. About a third of that came from property claims from a handful of large retailers.

    “When you look at the United States, riot and civil disorder may generally look like a sub-US $100 million risk, although with the potential for much greater losses,” Johansmeyer said in an email to Claims Journal. “But, when you add a handful of large national or international companies with losses of more than US $100 million each, you could see a much larger industry loss begin to materialize. The large losses within the catastrophe could change the character of the overall event.”

    Keefe, Bruyette & Woods analyst Meyer Shields said Monday that his best guess is losses from the current riots will be “relatively modest.” Nevertheless, the losses will combine with losses related to COVID-19 claims and property damage from a predicted above-average hurricane season to amount to a “capital event” for some reinsurers.
     

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    Political dissolution need not be violent. The Soviet Union wasn’t especially so given how violent it could have been and America’s breakup needn’t be violent, either. The more seriously and soberly we approach what more and more people are daily coming to realize is an inevitability, and the sooner we do so, the better the outcome will be for everyone.

  95. @Not Only Wrathful
    AE, I re-read the following essay today and it gets to the calm and logical truth.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/antiracism-our-flawed-new-religion

    Not necessarily with its religion comparison, but actually on a deeper level. It correctly appreciates the good that "antiracism" has done, while pragmatically showing how it stands in the way of real progress.

    It is a sobering read for those understandably reacting to the blue sponsored chaos and black megalomania with their own emotions.

    Yet I'm torn.

    And perhaps I'm not, for underneath all of the logic I recognise that, at some point, with anyone who seeks to make their emotions override your own, you need to turn your volume up. Or separate.

    The latter isn't an option yet, so it leaves me wondering: what would be an authentic expression of feeling in this moment?

    It would at least be the only expression that would be understood.

    However, can modern white people even do this on their own behalf?

    If possible then it is certain to say that whomever absolutely captures this expressiveness will be that Zeitgeist manifest.

    White Americans, in this conflict, have either been "lizard people" - unable to show feeling...or pathetic co-dependents, entirely reliant on blacks to provide purpose and authenticity for them.

    Let me ask, with no analysis please, how do these events truly make you feel?

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    Scared for my children’s future.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Audacious Epigone

    Explore that.

  96. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Wency



    what tactical value does the dog add?

     

    https://pictshare.net/c39vfa.jpg

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    Yes, images of black men being brutalized aren’t fueling the destruction, so let’s have more of them! /s

    Sheesh.

  97. @moveoutfoyourmomsbasement
    Is this a safe space for tough guys? I don't quite understand why I can't post dissenting opinions on your little boys club here? Is your moderator a snowflake, or is he worry about all of YOUR feelings? Lots of opinions here, but how many of you boys still live within a few miles of your parents? You maybe work a job that's not very fulfilling, don't have any friends with different cultural backgrounds? Sound familiar? Try a little life experience. Move to a city... you might find that nobody cares about you and you're perfectly safe and sound. You don't need to be afraid of black men, in fact the good news is you're not significant enough to register in the lives of other people. It's a difficult thing to deal with, learning that you're not a special snowflake... but it's part of growing up. Give it a try, then you can trash talk cities and type tough guy stuff about crime rates and garbage science like HBD from your own basement rather than your mom's.

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    The gap between provincials (deplorables) and cosmopolitans is becoming unbridgeable. Why should either side feel compelled to force their values on the other? This country is too big and too disunited to have as much centralized authority as it does.

  98. @Audacious Epigone
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Scared for my children's future.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    Explore that.

  99. The West is collapsing and they’re going to bear the brunt of the blame, to be made to feel as if everything is their fault and that they, uniquely, are not allowed to have anything other than contempt for ancestry and their heritage.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Audacious Epigone

    Was that a reply to anything in particular?

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  100. @Audacious Epigone
    The West is collapsing and they're going to bear the brunt of the blame, to be made to feel as if everything is their fault and that they, uniquely, are not allowed to have anything other than contempt for ancestry and their heritage.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Was that a reply to anything in particular?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Mr. Rational

    Yeah, comment #99, my bad.

  101. @Mr. Rational
    @Audacious Epigone

    Was that a reply to anything in particular?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Yeah, comment #99, my bad.

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