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Nothing particularly shocking, though taken on the whole they are a bit of a Narrative buster. A majority of Biden voters are white and a not insignificant one-in-five Trump voters are non-white. Trump’s support is split evenly among men and women. LGBT representation in Biden’s coalition is only twice what it is in Trump’s.

Consequently, these distributions are unlikely to be talked about much in the corporate media:

 
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  1. Are exit polls like these more accurate than the pre-election polls that lately have been so completely wrong? (This is not a rhetorical question.)

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Also not an original one -- you're clearly part of a network of trolls repeating it over and over again every time reality slaps you in your ugly, deformed face.

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I suppose that at an exit poll you find a genuine person to interview, but I suspect that it is every bit as difficult to admit to having voted for Trump than to admit that one intends to vote for him. And I don't know how an exit poll corrects for people who voted by mail, even assuming that their votes were genuine, which may not be the case.

    I'm not sure at this point that I'd be making any decision based on, or even heavily influenced by, polls.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Good question.

    One important difference I thought of is that in an exit poll you can see the actual person standing there with a clipboard asking you questions, and you can see that he just finished asking other people questions. So a potential respondent can be more confident that it is a legitimate operation. Contrast that with a phone poll where there is no way to tell that the person on the other end isn't their boss, co-worker, or neighbor pretending to be a pollster. So in that regard it might have less of a shy Trump voter effect.

    , @Libre
    @Buzz Mohawk

    In exit polls, the important part is the cross tabs. We know who won, but who voted for who and why. Read the post

  2. Mark Levin is pushing a plan we might call the counter-coup, of having a GOP state legislature simply ignore the corrupt counts from the Dem cities and appoint their own slate of electors.

    Details:

    https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-state-legislatures-rectify-election-fraud

    Don Jr endorses this, first step in going mainstream.

    The dem govs or secretaries of state may protest or send their own competing slate, which gets resolved by the US Supreme Court.

    The problem is it looks like the official count will have Biden sweeping ALL of the close states that are still counting: MI PA WI GA NV AZ.

    This means 3+ Dem states with GOP legislatures will need to ignore their official vote outcomes and just send GOP electors.

    • Replies: @XRay Manzarek
    @Lot

    That is a disastrous idea.

    Trump lost, face it. He lost because his share of the white male vote decreased. Face that. And, I seem to remember, he did less well than Romney did in 2012 with the white vote in 2016. (AE: amirite?)

    The road to the White House goes through white people. Pity the Republicans don't want to heed that fact.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  3. @Buzz Mohawk
    Are exit polls like these more accurate than the pre-election polls that lately have been so completely wrong? (This is not a rhetorical question.)

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Diversity Heretic, @anonymous, @Libre

    Also not an original one — you’re clearly part of a network of trolls repeating it over and over again every time reality slaps you in your ugly, deformed face.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @JohnPlywood

    Also not an original one — you’re clearly part of a network of trolls repeating it over and over again every time reality slaps you in your ugly, deformed face.

    Schoolmarm should sort you out once and for all.

  4. About 6% of the US electorate are homosexuals??????? Explains a lot

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Kent Nationalist


    About 6% of the US electorate are homosexuals??????? Explains a lot
     
    It's clearly nonsense. It's mostly young people who pretend to be bisexual or "non-binary" because it's fashionable or because they're mentally ill.

    Replies: @neutral

  5. The narrative looks pretty confirmed to me.

  6. @Buzz Mohawk
    Are exit polls like these more accurate than the pre-election polls that lately have been so completely wrong? (This is not a rhetorical question.)

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Diversity Heretic, @anonymous, @Libre

    I suppose that at an exit poll you find a genuine person to interview, but I suspect that it is every bit as difficult to admit to having voted for Trump than to admit that one intends to vote for him. And I don’t know how an exit poll corrects for people who voted by mail, even assuming that their votes were genuine, which may not be the case.

    I’m not sure at this point that I’d be making any decision based on, or even heavily influenced by, polls.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Diversity Heretic


    I’m not sure at this point that I’d be making any decision based on, or even heavily influenced by, polls.
     
    One good thing to come out of this election is that we now know that all polls and all surveys are complete and utter BS. All they do is reflect the opinions of people who like answering polls and surveys. They have zero connection with reality.

    Replies: @Libre, @Audacious Epigone

  7. @JohnPlywood
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Also not an original one -- you're clearly part of a network of trolls repeating it over and over again every time reality slaps you in your ugly, deformed face.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Also not an original one — you’re clearly part of a network of trolls repeating it over and over again every time reality slaps you in your ugly, deformed face.

    Schoolmarm should sort you out once and for all.

  8. Conspiracy Theory Alert. Given what has transpired, that “coronavirus” and the Fakedemic were the main issues in the voters’ minds (first time a president is not reelected when the economy goes mostly well, and that despite “lockdowns”), then it makes sense that Dems would ally with China and get them to create a fake panic, that would spread all over the world, then tell them to forget about it. China and the Dems go back to the Clintons, maybe even before.

    Now if during the next months the Covid flu cases suddenly start diminishing, and the “pandemic” basically ends in January, then you know you’ve been played like a chump.

    • Agree: Libre
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Dumbo

    If it doesn't, --which it won't in just 2 months time--, Dumbo, et al. receive a 1-way ticket to a mental asylum for expressing their schizophrenic opinions at a time when America lost 250,000 human lives: a worse performance than any third world nation. Deal?

    Trumpers: the self-destructing nation destroyers.

    https://fortune.com/2020/11/06/trump-voters-covid-cases-red-counties-2020-election-results/


    U.S. voters went to the polls starkly divided on how they see President Donald Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic. But in places where the virus is most rampant now, Trump enjoyed enormous support.

    An Associated Press analysis reveals that in 376 counties with the highest number of new cases per capita, the overwhelming majority—93% of those counties—went for Trump, a rate above other less severely hit areas.

    Most were rural counties in Montana, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa and Wisconsin—the kinds of areas that often have lower rates of adherence to social distancing, mask-wearing and other public health measures, and have been a focal point for much of the latest surge in cases.
     

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Dumbo


    it makes sense that Dems would ally with China and get them to create a fake panic, that would spread all over the world
     
    Some interesting reading:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1324079045072556034.html


    Now if during the next months the Covid flu cases suddenly start diminishing, and the “pandemic” basically ends in January, then you know you’ve been played like a chump.
     
    I mostly agree with you, but I differ on Covid.

    I think the Dems and other pols on the CCP payroll are absolutely loving the amount of control Covid has handed them.

    I think they will go the other way and push more lockdowns, vaccinations, and mask mandates to crush the remaining small businesses and further dampen the human spirit.

  9. Ha, married women rocked:

    https://twitter.com/WilcoxNMP/status/1324206815522021379/photo/1

    They supported Trump at a higher rate than even married men. Boos to unmarried women.

    • Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying
    @Twinkie

    Gotta keep abortion legal so strong single wimmin can ki-- I mean remove any babies that threaten their strong single lifestyles.

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    With that fact known, could the relentless misogyny of the right be toned down? Just a bit?
    I know, I know -- dream on.
    Still...

    https://i.imgur.com/BmQuvt5.jpg

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    , @anon
    @Twinkie

    This is just another data point in a well known pattern. In the US, single / unmarried women tend to vote D while married women tend to vote R. This can be easily explained, but not here due to the high noise factor. Consider D policies in light of this fact and some things should become obvious.

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Rosie
    @Twinkie


    Boos to unmarried women.
     
    And here I thought you were just going to say something nice with no digs at anyone. Oh well I guess I should be glad for the nice part.

    Consider that unmarried women might be particularly concerned about how they're going to pay their outrageous healthcare premiums and want a public option.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Libre

  10. What’s gonna happen when a large chunk of normiecons and civic nationalists realize that nothing can be changed by voting?

    Part of me says they’ll do something. Another part of me says they’ll just go back to sleep, get more depressed/alcoholic/addicted and die.

  11. @Twinkie
    Ha, married women rocked:

    https://twitter.com/WilcoxNMP/status/1324206815522021379/photo/1

    They supported Trump at a higher rate than even married men. Boos to unmarried women.

    Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying, @Anonymous, @anon, @Rosie

    Gotta keep abortion legal so strong single wimmin can ki– I mean remove any babies that threaten their strong single lifestyles.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @ThisIsAnon153Replying


    Gotta keep abortion legal so strong single wimmin can ki– I mean remove any babies that threaten their strong single lifestyles.
     
    Do you have any evidence at all that abortion was a significant factor in the outcome of this election? Brad Griffin's article has data indicating that it barely registered, with jobs and healthcare being the salient issues.
  12. Given what you cited about the 2016 vote:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if half or more Koreans and Filipinos voted for Trump this time (last time it was 42% for each and the generic Asian vote for Trump is up +7).

    And Cubans are probably way over 50% this time.

  13. Biden has now pulled ahead in Georgia. I never thought we would see a political map where Georgia is blue while Florida is red

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Jay Fink

    2018 was the dry run, amazed how close Kemp came to losing, should have cleaned up the voting after that, absolute fail.

    Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying

  14. Apparently Trump got ten percent more than Clinton in 2016. Trump didn’t lose any white voters, but he gained a few suburban/religious types who had gone third party in 2016, he also gained a fair few hispanics, notably South Florida Cubans and Venezuelans, but others too like Mexicans in Texas and California, and probably an even smaller number of blacks. Truth is Trump did really well, so well the fraud was unprecedented in size and higher than they thought they would need, thus too obvious. Biden support was very low energy, I don’t think he would have got much more than Clinton did, black support was there still but again many did not vote, except in Atlanta, Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Detroit, where turnout was unprecedented.

  15. @Jay Fink
    Biden has now pulled ahead in Georgia. I never thought we would see a political map where Georgia is blue while Florida is red

    Replies: @LondonBob

    2018 was the dry run, amazed how close Kemp came to losing, should have cleaned up the voting after that, absolute fail.

    • Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying
    @LondonBob

    Florida cleaned itself up after 2018 but for some reason Georgia didn't

    Southern elites have always been swamp, they have no problem bringing in Mexicans and other aliens today for their chicken plants in Georgia.

    Mostly I think southern Republicans are just in the good old boys club who are totally clueless about anything that's happened past 1970.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  16. These pie charts are great.

    I wonder what married vs. unmarried would look like. Also, people with children vs. no children. People with adopted children vs. only biological. Older people who have children: grandchildren vs. no grandchildren. People who have smoked marijuana vs. not smoked. Tattoos vs. no tattoos. Vegans vs. meat eaters.

    IMO, Biden’s support was probably minority white, if one disaggregates Jews and other non-Europeans who might identify as white.

    I know recording this info would really be taboo, and unthinkable today, but I wonder what it would look like if you took specific phenotypes, especially as tracker of whiteness. Like blonds or redheads, or blue-eyed people.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  17. @Lot
    Mark Levin is pushing a plan we might call the counter-coup, of having a GOP state legislature simply ignore the corrupt counts from the Dem cities and appoint their own slate of electors.

    Details:

    https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-state-legislatures-rectify-election-fraud

    Don Jr endorses this, first step in going mainstream.

    The dem govs or secretaries of state may protest or send their own competing slate, which gets resolved by the US Supreme Court.

    The problem is it looks like the official count will have Biden sweeping ALL of the close states that are still counting: MI PA WI GA NV AZ.

    This means 3+ Dem states with GOP legislatures will need to ignore their official vote outcomes and just send GOP electors.

    Replies: @XRay Manzarek

    That is a disastrous idea.

    Trump lost, face it. He lost because his share of the white male vote decreased. Face that. And, I seem to remember, he did less well than Romney did in 2012 with the white vote in 2016. (AE: amirite?)

    The road to the White House goes through white people. Pity the Republicans don’t want to heed that fact.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @XRay Manzarek

    he did less well than Romney did in 2012 with the white vote in 2016. (AE: amirite?)

    Yeah, on that account you are.

    Replies: @XRay Manzarek

  18. @Dumbo
    Conspiracy Theory Alert. Given what has transpired, that “coronavirus” and the Fakedemic were the main issues in the voters’ minds (first time a president is not reelected when the economy goes mostly well, and that despite “lockdowns”), then it makes sense that Dems would ally with China and get them to create a fake panic, that would spread all over the world, then tell them to forget about it. China and the Dems go back to the Clintons, maybe even before.

    Now if during the next months the Covid flu cases suddenly start diminishing, and the “pandemic” basically ends in January, then you know you’ve been played like a chump.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @The Wild Geese Howard

    If it doesn’t, –which it won’t in just 2 months time–, Dumbo, et al. receive a 1-way ticket to a mental asylum for expressing their schizophrenic opinions at a time when America lost 250,000 human lives: a worse performance than any third world nation. Deal?

    Trumpers: the self-destructing nation destroyers.

    https://fortune.com/2020/11/06/trump-voters-covid-cases-red-counties-2020-election-results/

    U.S. voters went to the polls starkly divided on how they see President Donald Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic. But in places where the virus is most rampant now, Trump enjoyed enormous support.

    An Associated Press analysis reveals that in 376 counties with the highest number of new cases per capita, the overwhelming majority—93% of those counties—went for Trump, a rate above other less severely hit areas.

    Most were rural counties in Montana, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa and Wisconsin—the kinds of areas that often have lower rates of adherence to social distancing, mask-wearing and other public health measures, and have been a focal point for much of the latest surge in cases.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @JohnPlywood

    Nobody cares if a PCR test that runs 40 cycles picks up trace amounts of coronavirus when they feel fine and exhibit no symptoms. It's a virus so deadly you need a test to know you have it!

  19. Trump is a duplicitous backstabber who treated Jeff Sessions in a horrible and ungentlemanly manner and now Tommy of the Tubervilles is gonna be a US Senator from Alabama and Tommy is a complete and total corporate whore and politician whore and this nasty puke Tuberville is a fairly representative example of a rancid Republican Party sleazebag politician.

    White Core American Gentlemen voters refused to support that nasty prevaricating slob Trump and now those White Core American Gentlemen voters have a mission from the Founding Fathers:

    DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW!

    Both the rancid and treasonous Republican Party and the evil and treasonous Democrat Party push mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders.

    Joe Biden Pushes WHITE GENOCIDE.

    Mitch McConnell is a nasty geezer globalizer treasonite who voted for Ronald Reagan’s 1986 amnesty for illegal alien invaders and Mitch McConnell has crawled into bed with a Chinese woman who has very public and very clear and very shady ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

    John Derbyshire has managed to marry a Chinese woman who goes spelunking in a bathing suit and she is presumably not a Chinese woman with close and profitable ties to the ruling class of China. How come Mass Immigration Extremist McConnell couldn’t do the same?

    DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW!

    Tweets from 2015:

  20. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Are exit polls like these more accurate than the pre-election polls that lately have been so completely wrong? (This is not a rhetorical question.)

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Diversity Heretic, @anonymous, @Libre

    Good question.

    One important difference I thought of is that in an exit poll you can see the actual person standing there with a clipboard asking you questions, and you can see that he just finished asking other people questions. So a potential respondent can be more confident that it is a legitimate operation. Contrast that with a phone poll where there is no way to tell that the person on the other end isn’t their boss, co-worker, or neighbor pretending to be a pollster. So in that regard it might have less of a shy Trump voter effect.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  21. @LondonBob
    @Jay Fink

    2018 was the dry run, amazed how close Kemp came to losing, should have cleaned up the voting after that, absolute fail.

    Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    Florida cleaned itself up after 2018 but for some reason Georgia didn’t

    Southern elites have always been swamp, they have no problem bringing in Mexicans and other aliens today for their chicken plants in Georgia.

    Mostly I think southern Republicans are just in the good old boys club who are totally clueless about anything that’s happened past 1970.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    Mostly I think southern Republicans are just in the good old boys club who are totally clueless about anything that’s happened past 1970.

    That's not so bad. Northern Republicans are a club for conservatives that are totally clueless about anything that has happened past 1861.

  22. @Twinkie
    Ha, married women rocked:

    https://twitter.com/WilcoxNMP/status/1324206815522021379/photo/1

    They supported Trump at a higher rate than even married men. Boos to unmarried women.

    Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying, @Anonymous, @anon, @Rosie

    With that fact known, could the relentless misogyny of the right be toned down? Just a bit?
    I know, I know — dream on.
    Still…

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Anonymous

    Great photo. Whatever one thinks of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Roosevelt era had fine sartorial style, never equaled in the U.S. since.

  23. So according to one exit poll I saw Trump got a higher share of the Muslim vote than he did the Jewish.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @LondonBob

    I read that somewhere, but the source was vague. Do you have the source and/or the numbers?

    Replies: @LondonBob

  24. This was a sovereignty election and the proud and patriotic White Core American Gentlemen voters decided they weren’t going to be saps and dupes for fat ass baby boomer Trump and those White Core American gentlemen decided that Trump was no longer their sovereign and that Trump had forfeited any claim to be the rightful chieftain of the historic American nation and Trump doesn’t have one damn ancestor who fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War From The British Empire and Trump’s people got to the USA after the War of Northern Aggression or Lincoln’s War or Civil War I.

    White Core America now has leadership and a core group of dedicated patriots who are the rightful inheritors of the greatness and power of the Founding Fathers.

    George Washington was a great man and Andrew Jackson was a great man, although Andrew Jackson is not considered a Founding Father, it must be remembered that a young Andrew Jackson suffered a sword wound from an arrogant and putrid British Empire officer scum.

    Joe Biden is a treasonous and corrupt and rancid politician whore but Mitch McConnell and Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley and Teddy Cruz and Marco Rubio and Kevin McCarthy and all the other Republican Party pukes are just as bad or worse than that Biden sonofabitch.

    The Founding Fathers are on the side of the proud and brave White Core American men and women and White Core America will not stop fighting the good fight until such time as the evil and rancid Republican Party is destroyed and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is dislodged and the new White Core American Ruling Class has taken power.

    I’ll repeat the prediction of mine that is the whole ball of wax for this sordid Trump/Biden nonsense crud from November 2, 2020:

    Between 3 and 5 percent of White gentleman voters will swing back to Biden and the Democrat Party or not vote at all or they’ll vote for the Libertarian Party.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/2020-presidential-election-predictions/#comment-4259373

  25. @Kent Nationalist
    About 6% of the US electorate are homosexuals??????? Explains a lot

    Replies: @dfordoom

    About 6% of the US electorate are homosexuals??????? Explains a lot

    It’s clearly nonsense. It’s mostly young people who pretend to be bisexual or “non-binary” because it’s fashionable or because they’re mentally ill.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @dfordoom


    because it’s fashionable or because they’re mentally ill
     
    Mental illness is fashionable now, even worse it has become sacrosanct.
  26. @Diversity Heretic
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I suppose that at an exit poll you find a genuine person to interview, but I suspect that it is every bit as difficult to admit to having voted for Trump than to admit that one intends to vote for him. And I don't know how an exit poll corrects for people who voted by mail, even assuming that their votes were genuine, which may not be the case.

    I'm not sure at this point that I'd be making any decision based on, or even heavily influenced by, polls.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I’m not sure at this point that I’d be making any decision based on, or even heavily influenced by, polls.

    One good thing to come out of this election is that we now know that all polls and all surveys are complete and utter BS. All they do is reflect the opinions of people who like answering polls and surveys. They have zero connection with reality.

    • Replies: @Libre
    @dfordoom

    Increasingly that is the case. It's mostly people who answer phones.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @dfordoom

    They're not going to be that far off this election, assuming it settles the way it looks like it is going to. In 2016, they overshot Clinton's support by about 1-2 points. In 2020, it's going to be more like 2-3 points for Biden. The upper Midwest, again, is where the polls missed the worst. Maybe they're really stacking the deck there because it's crucial and close, or maybe there is some other reason the pollsters have trouble with reason.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  27. @LondonBob
    So according to one exit poll I saw Trump got a higher share of the Muslim vote than he did the Jewish.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    I read that somewhere, but the source was vague. Do you have the source and/or the numbers?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Pincher Martin

    https://twitter.com/shadihamid/status/1324386750026993671?s=20

    Makes sense to me.

    Replies: @indocon

  28. @dfordoom
    @Kent Nationalist


    About 6% of the US electorate are homosexuals??????? Explains a lot
     
    It's clearly nonsense. It's mostly young people who pretend to be bisexual or "non-binary" because it's fashionable or because they're mentally ill.

    Replies: @neutral

    because it’s fashionable or because they’re mentally ill

    Mental illness is fashionable now, even worse it has become sacrosanct.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  29. Is the overall gender split really as extreme as implied by charts 3 and 4? You would think it would be closer to 50:50

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @angmoh

    Looks like it. There are millions more female voters than male voters.

  30. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    Ha, married women rocked:

    https://twitter.com/WilcoxNMP/status/1324206815522021379/photo/1

    They supported Trump at a higher rate than even married men. Boos to unmarried women.

    Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying, @Anonymous, @anon, @Rosie

    This is just another data point in a well known pattern. In the US, single / unmarried women tend to vote D while married women tend to vote R. This can be easily explained, but not here due to the high noise factor. Consider D policies in light of this fact and some things should become obvious.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @anon


    Consider D policies in light of this fact and some things should become obvious.
     
    The only thing that is particularly obvious is that young people tend to be both single and liberal. Hence, it should come as no surprise that unmarried women typically vote Democrat.

    But yes, obviously not having a husband means you are more economically vulnerable, and more likely to need a social safety net. And no, there is nothing sinister about that.
  31. @Dumbo
    Conspiracy Theory Alert. Given what has transpired, that “coronavirus” and the Fakedemic were the main issues in the voters’ minds (first time a president is not reelected when the economy goes mostly well, and that despite “lockdowns”), then it makes sense that Dems would ally with China and get them to create a fake panic, that would spread all over the world, then tell them to forget about it. China and the Dems go back to the Clintons, maybe even before.

    Now if during the next months the Covid flu cases suddenly start diminishing, and the “pandemic” basically ends in January, then you know you’ve been played like a chump.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @The Wild Geese Howard

    it makes sense that Dems would ally with China and get them to create a fake panic, that would spread all over the world

    Some interesting reading:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1324079045072556034.html

    Now if during the next months the Covid flu cases suddenly start diminishing, and the “pandemic” basically ends in January, then you know you’ve been played like a chump.

    I mostly agree with you, but I differ on Covid.

    I think the Dems and other pols on the CCP payroll are absolutely loving the amount of control Covid has handed them.

    I think they will go the other way and push more lockdowns, vaccinations, and mask mandates to crush the remaining small businesses and further dampen the human spirit.

  32. The White and Hispanic vote by state per CNN exit polls:

    Arizona: Whites Trump: 51 Biden: 47 Hispanics Trump 36 Biden 63 Net gap 15
    California: Whites Trump: 45 Biden: 53 Hispanics Trump: 21 Biden 77 Net gap 24
    Colorado: Whites Trump: 40 Biden 58 Hispanics Trump 38 Biden 59 Net gap 1
    Florida: Whites Trump: 61 Biden 38 Hispanics Trump 47 Biden 52 Net gap 14
    Georgia Whites Trump: 70 Biden 29 Hispanics Trump 41 Biden 57 Net gap 28
    Iowa Whites Trump: 54 Biden 44 Hispanics Trump 32 Biden 67 Net gap 22
    Michigan Whites Trump: 55 Biden 43 Hispanics Trump 37 Biden 59 Net gap 17
    Minnesota Whites Trump: 48 Biden 51 Hispanics Trump 40 Biden 58 Net gap 8
    Nevada Whites Trump: 56 Biden 41 Hispanics Trump 37 Biden 56 Net gap 17
    New York Whites Trump: 39 Biden 59 Hispanics Trump 27 Biden 72 Net gap 13
    North Carolina Whites Trump: 66 Biden 32 Hispanics Trump 39 Biden 59 Net gap 27
    Ohio Whites Trump: 58 Biden 41 Hispanics Trump 39 Biden 60 Net gap 19
    Pennsylvania Whites Trump: 55 Biden 43 Hispanics Trump 18 Biden 78 Net gap 36
    Texas Whites Trump: 66 Biden 33 Hispanics Trump 40 Biden 59 Net gap 26
    Virginia Whites Trump: 54 Biden 44 Hispanics Trump 35 Biden 61 Net gap 19
    Wisconsin Whites Trump: 52 Biden 46 Hispanics Trump 35 Biden 60 Net gap 16

    • Replies: @t
    @t

    Spitballing some observations from this:

    California, New York and Pennsylvania Hispanic voting patterns a bigger outliers than Florida

    The electoral impact of a increasing Hispanic population will be stronger in the National popular than in the electoral college

    For some reason Trump didn't do as well as republican normally do with Arizona whites, this may have hurt him with Hispanic there as well.

    It looks like affordable family formation has a significant effect on Hispanic voting patterns, but it can't be achieved by giving strawberry picker earning $6 and hour 500,000 as GWB did.

    It doesn't appear that the way whites vote in a state has that much effect on the way Hispanics vote, Hispanics in Georgia and Minnesota voted almost exactly the same.

    Replies: @t

  33. @t
    The White and Hispanic vote by state per CNN exit polls:

    Arizona: Whites Trump: 51 Biden: 47 Hispanics Trump 36 Biden 63 Net gap 15
    California: Whites Trump: 45 Biden: 53 Hispanics Trump: 21 Biden 77 Net gap 24
    Colorado: Whites Trump: 40 Biden 58 Hispanics Trump 38 Biden 59 Net gap 1
    Florida: Whites Trump: 61 Biden 38 Hispanics Trump 47 Biden 52 Net gap 14
    Georgia Whites Trump: 70 Biden 29 Hispanics Trump 41 Biden 57 Net gap 28
    Iowa Whites Trump: 54 Biden 44 Hispanics Trump 32 Biden 67 Net gap 22
    Michigan Whites Trump: 55 Biden 43 Hispanics Trump 37 Biden 59 Net gap 17
    Minnesota Whites Trump: 48 Biden 51 Hispanics Trump 40 Biden 58 Net gap 8
    Nevada Whites Trump: 56 Biden 41 Hispanics Trump 37 Biden 56 Net gap 17
    New York Whites Trump: 39 Biden 59 Hispanics Trump 27 Biden 72 Net gap 13
    North Carolina Whites Trump: 66 Biden 32 Hispanics Trump 39 Biden 59 Net gap 27
    Ohio Whites Trump: 58 Biden 41 Hispanics Trump 39 Biden 60 Net gap 19
    Pennsylvania Whites Trump: 55 Biden 43 Hispanics Trump 18 Biden 78 Net gap 36
    Texas Whites Trump: 66 Biden 33 Hispanics Trump 40 Biden 59 Net gap 26
    Virginia Whites Trump: 54 Biden 44 Hispanics Trump 35 Biden 61 Net gap 19
    Wisconsin Whites Trump: 52 Biden 46 Hispanics Trump 35 Biden 60 Net gap 16

    Replies: @t

    Spitballing some observations from this:

    California, New York and Pennsylvania Hispanic voting patterns a bigger outliers than Florida

    The electoral impact of a increasing Hispanic population will be stronger in the National popular than in the electoral college

    For some reason Trump didn’t do as well as republican normally do with Arizona whites, this may have hurt him with Hispanic there as well.

    It looks like affordable family formation has a significant effect on Hispanic voting patterns, but it can’t be achieved by giving strawberry picker earning $6 and hour 500,000 as GWB did.

    It doesn’t appear that the way whites vote in a state has that much effect on the way Hispanics vote, Hispanics in Georgia and Minnesota voted almost exactly the same.

    • Replies: @t
    @t

    Ok I dug up the 2004 exit poll from Arizona: https://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/AZ/P/00/epolls.0.html

    Bush won white 59-41 while losing Hispanics 43-56, meaning that white-Hispanic gap is exactly the same as it was in 2020 but Trump; is running 8 points behind Bush with both groups. In 2004 the Arizona electorate was 79% white and 12% Hispanic, this year it's 74% white and 19% Hispanic. Keeping everything else constant demographic change would result in about a 1% swing against Republicans. While the focus will be on either how demographic change is hurting republicans or how that immigration bill killed republicans with Hispanics neither is really supported by what happened.

  34. This data, incidentally, also proves that there was massive vote fraud.

    This data effectively proves that Trump got about 60% of white voters, 35% of Asian+Hispanic voters (i.e. apolitical newcomers outside of election day), and 13% of black voters.

    All of the above numbers are 2-5 points higher than in 2016.

    This is not 100% rock-solid proof, but close enough to prove that the chance that the election did not have meaningful fraud was infinitesimally small.

    Yes, we are being robbed. As far as the integrity of the US Constitution, this is the hill to die on. Thank God that RGB died when she did, and we have ACB. 4-5 will now be 5-4 in Trump’s favor.

    The gender breakdown doesn’t favor this thesis nearly as much, but I suspect that out of all four groups, turnout of men for Biden/Harris is much lower than turnout of all three other combinations.
    .
    .
    .

    Separately, if 6% of the electorate are now openly LGBTQ, vs. about 3% in such polls in 2004 and 2008, that represents the shift of White Nationalism to a homosexual-dominated ideology. Remember, just 10% of white men are WNs, but 40% (and rising) of them are gay. Hence, this group is incremental to the SJW-type gays (who are the same proportion as before).

    If the LGBTQ self-identifiers were broken down by race, they will be revealed to be far more white than the general electorate. This is due to reasons I have mentioned before, and how the white genome actually has a natural mechanism that splits into two races of unequal size and vastly unequal quality. Having impressive parentage is no shield against this, as the white genome distributes undesirable genetic matter equally from a parentage perspective (but very, very unequally from the offspring’s perspective).

  35. @t
    @t

    Spitballing some observations from this:

    California, New York and Pennsylvania Hispanic voting patterns a bigger outliers than Florida

    The electoral impact of a increasing Hispanic population will be stronger in the National popular than in the electoral college

    For some reason Trump didn't do as well as republican normally do with Arizona whites, this may have hurt him with Hispanic there as well.

    It looks like affordable family formation has a significant effect on Hispanic voting patterns, but it can't be achieved by giving strawberry picker earning $6 and hour 500,000 as GWB did.

    It doesn't appear that the way whites vote in a state has that much effect on the way Hispanics vote, Hispanics in Georgia and Minnesota voted almost exactly the same.

    Replies: @t

    Ok I dug up the 2004 exit poll from Arizona: https://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/AZ/P/00/epolls.0.html

    Bush won white 59-41 while losing Hispanics 43-56, meaning that white-Hispanic gap is exactly the same as it was in 2020 but Trump; is running 8 points behind Bush with both groups. In 2004 the Arizona electorate was 79% white and 12% Hispanic, this year it’s 74% white and 19% Hispanic. Keeping everything else constant demographic change would result in about a 1% swing against Republicans. While the focus will be on either how demographic change is hurting republicans or how that immigration bill killed republicans with Hispanics neither is really supported by what happened.

  36. @Twinkie
    Ha, married women rocked:

    https://twitter.com/WilcoxNMP/status/1324206815522021379/photo/1

    They supported Trump at a higher rate than even married men. Boos to unmarried women.

    Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying, @Anonymous, @anon, @Rosie

    Boos to unmarried women.

    And here I thought you were just going to say something nice with no digs at anyone. Oh well I guess I should be glad for the nice part.

    Consider that unmarried women might be particularly concerned about how they’re going to pay their outrageous healthcare premiums and want a public option.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Rosie

    Consider that unmarried women might be particularly concerned about how they’re going to pay their outrageous healthcare premiums and want a public option.

    It isn't out of practicality.

    I've worked with unmarried liberal women that had health insurance.

    It's bitterness from not having the White man that TV told them they would get. Seeing other White women with a White man makes it much, much worse. They are the female equivalent of incels.

    It isn't that they have unrealistic standards. Half the problem is that the typical liberal or modern urban White male doesn't have the balls to go talk to them. The other problem is that women aren't naturally attracted to meek and submissive men. So both sides sort of stair at each other.

    Thank God I don't have to work in a liberal city anymore. Horrifying.

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Libre
    @Rosie

    The outrageous premiums they've been voting for for decades?

    Replies: @Rosie

  37. @ThisIsAnon153Replying
    @Twinkie

    Gotta keep abortion legal so strong single wimmin can ki-- I mean remove any babies that threaten their strong single lifestyles.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Gotta keep abortion legal so strong single wimmin can ki– I mean remove any babies that threaten their strong single lifestyles.

    Do you have any evidence at all that abortion was a significant factor in the outcome of this election? Brad Griffin’s article has data indicating that it barely registered, with jobs and healthcare being the salient issues.

  38. @anon
    @Twinkie

    This is just another data point in a well known pattern. In the US, single / unmarried women tend to vote D while married women tend to vote R. This can be easily explained, but not here due to the high noise factor. Consider D policies in light of this fact and some things should become obvious.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Consider D policies in light of this fact and some things should become obvious.

    The only thing that is particularly obvious is that young people tend to be both single and liberal. Hence, it should come as no surprise that unmarried women typically vote Democrat.

    But yes, obviously not having a husband means you are more economically vulnerable, and more likely to need a social safety net. And no, there is nothing sinister about that.

    • Agree: iffen
  39. @ThisIsAnon153Replying
    @LondonBob

    Florida cleaned itself up after 2018 but for some reason Georgia didn't

    Southern elites have always been swamp, they have no problem bringing in Mexicans and other aliens today for their chicken plants in Georgia.

    Mostly I think southern Republicans are just in the good old boys club who are totally clueless about anything that's happened past 1970.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Mostly I think southern Republicans are just in the good old boys club who are totally clueless about anything that’s happened past 1970.

    That’s not so bad. Northern Republicans are a club for conservatives that are totally clueless about anything that has happened past 1861.

  40. @Rosie
    @Twinkie


    Boos to unmarried women.
     
    And here I thought you were just going to say something nice with no digs at anyone. Oh well I guess I should be glad for the nice part.

    Consider that unmarried women might be particularly concerned about how they're going to pay their outrageous healthcare premiums and want a public option.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Libre

    Consider that unmarried women might be particularly concerned about how they’re going to pay their outrageous healthcare premiums and want a public option.

    It isn’t out of practicality.

    I’ve worked with unmarried liberal women that had health insurance.

    It’s bitterness from not having the White man that TV told them they would get. Seeing other White women with a White man makes it much, much worse. They are the female equivalent of incels.

    It isn’t that they have unrealistic standards. Half the problem is that the typical liberal or modern urban White male doesn’t have the balls to go talk to them. The other problem is that women aren’t naturally attracted to meek and submissive men. So both sides sort of stair at each other.

    Thank God I don’t have to work in a liberal city anymore. Horrifying.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @John Johnson


    I’ve worked with unmarried liberal women that had health insurance.
     
    Whatever, JJ. I'm not interested in anecdotes, and I don't like unsubstantiated psychobabble. If people say they're worried about jobs and healthcare, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're worried about jobs and healthcare. It works for me.
  41. @John Johnson
    @Rosie

    Consider that unmarried women might be particularly concerned about how they’re going to pay their outrageous healthcare premiums and want a public option.

    It isn't out of practicality.

    I've worked with unmarried liberal women that had health insurance.

    It's bitterness from not having the White man that TV told them they would get. Seeing other White women with a White man makes it much, much worse. They are the female equivalent of incels.

    It isn't that they have unrealistic standards. Half the problem is that the typical liberal or modern urban White male doesn't have the balls to go talk to them. The other problem is that women aren't naturally attracted to meek and submissive men. So both sides sort of stair at each other.

    Thank God I don't have to work in a liberal city anymore. Horrifying.

    Replies: @Rosie

    I’ve worked with unmarried liberal women that had health insurance.

    Whatever, JJ. I’m not interested in anecdotes, and I don’t like unsubstantiated psychobabble. If people say they’re worried about jobs and healthcare, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they’re worried about jobs and healthcare. It works for me.

  42. Ok Rosie.

    I’ll go ahead and request a grant to study if bitterness in single women drives liberalism.

    I’m sure it will make the front page of Psychology Today.

    We live in a controlled society where certain ideas are not allowed to be discussed let alone studied. Anecdotes are sometimes all we have.

    If people say they’re worried about jobs and healthcare, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they’re worried about jobs and healthcare. It works for me.

    Healthcare was certainly a factor in this election.

    But to deny a link between bitter single women and liberalism is to deny what is in front of us.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @John Johnson


    We live in a controlled society where certain ideas are not allowed to be discussed let alone studied. Anecdotes are sometimes all we have.
     
    Precisely.
    , @Rosie
    @John Johnson


    I’ll go ahead and request a grant to study if bitterness in single women drives liberalism.

    I’m sure it will make the front page of Psychology Today.
     

    Spare me. The problem with your psychobabble is not that such a study can't be funded (though that may well be true), but that it's hard to imagine how one could even be designed. Go ahead. Image we're reviewing grant proposals here. What study do you propose to prove or disprove your uncharitable and insulting claim about unmarried women? I don't think you can do it.

    Now, let's suppose we're convinced. We're going to give you our ducats to carry out this study. Suppose you're hypothesis is proven. What do you claim to do about it right now? Are you seriously going to claim that you are free to speculate as you wish about women because "we live in a controlled society"? If so, this movement is a joke, a pseudo intellectual circle jerk with no real-world aspirations whatsoever.

    Since you seem to struggle with basic diplomatic savior faire, maybe this decision tree will help:

    https://www.jordanpfowler.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Should_I_Say_This.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson

  43. @Pincher Martin
    @LondonBob

    I read that somewhere, but the source was vague. Do you have the source and/or the numbers?

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Makes sense to me.

    • Thanks: Pincher Martin
    • Replies: @indocon
    @LondonBob

    As I've said on this blog several times, MAGA and Palestinians have the same real enemy end of the day, sooner they come to this realization, better it is for both of them.

  44. @John Johnson
    Ok Rosie.

    I'll go ahead and request a grant to study if bitterness in single women drives liberalism.

    I'm sure it will make the front page of Psychology Today.

    We live in a controlled society where certain ideas are not allowed to be discussed let alone studied. Anecdotes are sometimes all we have.

    If people say they’re worried about jobs and healthcare, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they’re worried about jobs and healthcare. It works for me.

    Healthcare was certainly a factor in this election.

    But to deny a link between bitter single women and liberalism is to deny what is in front of us.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Rosie

    We live in a controlled society where certain ideas are not allowed to be discussed let alone studied. Anecdotes are sometimes all we have.

    Precisely.

  45. @John Johnson
    Ok Rosie.

    I'll go ahead and request a grant to study if bitterness in single women drives liberalism.

    I'm sure it will make the front page of Psychology Today.

    We live in a controlled society where certain ideas are not allowed to be discussed let alone studied. Anecdotes are sometimes all we have.

    If people say they’re worried about jobs and healthcare, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they’re worried about jobs and healthcare. It works for me.

    Healthcare was certainly a factor in this election.

    But to deny a link between bitter single women and liberalism is to deny what is in front of us.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Rosie

    I’ll go ahead and request a grant to study if bitterness in single women drives liberalism.

    I’m sure it will make the front page of Psychology Today.

    Spare me. The problem with your psychobabble is not that such a study can’t be funded (though that may well be true), but that it’s hard to imagine how one could even be designed. Go ahead. Image we’re reviewing grant proposals here. What study do you propose to prove or disprove your uncharitable and insulting claim about unmarried women? I don’t think you can do it.

    Now, let’s suppose we’re convinced. We’re going to give you our ducats to carry out this study. Suppose you’re hypothesis is proven. What do you claim to do about it right now? Are you seriously going to claim that you are free to speculate as you wish about women because “we live in a controlled society”? If so, this movement is a joke, a pseudo intellectual circle jerk with no real-world aspirations whatsoever.

    Since you seem to struggle with basic diplomatic savior faire, maybe this decision tree will help:

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Rosie

    Boy you get really defensive about anything related to women.

    The bitter cat mom is a reliable liberal voter and someone with your experience is fully of aware of this phenomenon.

    It is not by chance that so many angry feminist writers are rough around the edges.

    In countries with public health care the same phenomenon exists.

    Bitter left-wing single women that write articles about how they don't need a man or how children are a burden. The last one I read talked about how it was great to travel alone. Yea real convincing. Nothing more fun than traveling by yourself.

    Modern society tries to pretend that female biology doesn't exist and that the single 30 year old woman is just as happy as anyone else. I have been around too many women to believe that is true but if you want to stick your head in the sand with the left then go ahead. Unlike egalitarians I can accept that both men and women are not perfect in nature. Women don't do as well with singleness but society wants to believe this isn't true and that thousands of years of evolution didn't lead to any gender or racial differences other than sexual organs and external features.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Jay Fink

  46. @Rosie
    @John Johnson


    I’ll go ahead and request a grant to study if bitterness in single women drives liberalism.

    I’m sure it will make the front page of Psychology Today.
     

    Spare me. The problem with your psychobabble is not that such a study can't be funded (though that may well be true), but that it's hard to imagine how one could even be designed. Go ahead. Image we're reviewing grant proposals here. What study do you propose to prove or disprove your uncharitable and insulting claim about unmarried women? I don't think you can do it.

    Now, let's suppose we're convinced. We're going to give you our ducats to carry out this study. Suppose you're hypothesis is proven. What do you claim to do about it right now? Are you seriously going to claim that you are free to speculate as you wish about women because "we live in a controlled society"? If so, this movement is a joke, a pseudo intellectual circle jerk with no real-world aspirations whatsoever.

    Since you seem to struggle with basic diplomatic savior faire, maybe this decision tree will help:

    https://www.jordanpfowler.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Should_I_Say_This.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Boy you get really defensive about anything related to women.

    The bitter cat mom is a reliable liberal voter and someone with your experience is fully of aware of this phenomenon.

    It is not by chance that so many angry feminist writers are rough around the edges.

    In countries with public health care the same phenomenon exists.

    Bitter left-wing single women that write articles about how they don’t need a man or how children are a burden. The last one I read talked about how it was great to travel alone. Yea real convincing. Nothing more fun than traveling by yourself.

    Modern society tries to pretend that female biology doesn’t exist and that the single 30 year old woman is just as happy as anyone else. I have been around too many women to believe that is true but if you want to stick your head in the sand with the left then go ahead. Unlike egalitarians I can accept that both men and women are not perfect in nature. Women don’t do as well with singleness but society wants to believe this isn’t true and that thousands of years of evolution didn’t lead to any gender or racial differences other than sexual organs and external features.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @John Johnson


    The bitter cat mom is a reliable liberal voter and someone with your experience is fully of aware of this phenomenon.
     
    No, I'm really not. I know lots of liberal women, and almost all of them are either WOC or White women married to liberal White men. The old maids I know are either conservative older women or Democrats for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with hatred of men.

    Bitter left-wing single women that write articles about how they don’t need a man or how children are a burden. The last one I read talked about how it was great to travel alone. Yea real convincing.
     

    And here you give credence to the same media that we know to be FOS. Why on Earth would you draw conclusions about single women as a whole from left-wing rags that, let's face it, probably don't give much editorial freedom to their columnists.

    In countries with public health care the same phenomenon exists.

     

    That wouldn't surprise me in the least. We have social security and Medicare, and old people vote to defend it because they depend on it. In fact, I have an older WWC male relative who voted for Hillary and Biden precisely because of social security. He told me that Trump would do nothing on immigration, that we would shortly get a tax cut for the wealthy, and that nothing would be done to shore up SS. As you can imagine, I have heard nothing but I told you so for 4 years now.

    Modern society tries to pretend that female biology doesn’t exist and that the single 30 year old woman is just as happy as anyone else. I have been around too many women to believe that is true but if you want to stick your head in the sand with the left then go ahead. Unlike egalitarians I can accept that both men and women are not perfect in nature. Women don’t do as well with singleness but society wants to believe this isn’t true and that thousands of years of evolution didn’t lead to any gender or racial differences other than sexual organs and external features.
     
    I have never said anything of the sort. Yes, married women are happier, until they have kids, at which point they're less happy, in the short term. None of this has anything to do with why single women vote as they do. You accuse them of some very nasty stuff, the least you can do is have some evidence. Absent that, don't be surprised if you get pushback.

    Replies: @XRay Manzarek

    , @Jay Fink
    @John Johnson

    Are there really 30 year old bitter cat ladies? It's not too late for them. Most would easily be able to find a man to settle down and raise a family with if that's what they want. My impression is the bitterness and unhappiness starts at least a decade later.

  47. 10% of Romney voters were non-white, 20% of Trump ’20 voters are non-white, that increase has been probably driven by new voters over past day 8 years. In the end, you still end up being losing on every sale while trying to make it up on volume stuff.

  48. @LondonBob
    @Pincher Martin

    https://twitter.com/shadihamid/status/1324386750026993671?s=20

    Makes sense to me.

    Replies: @indocon

    As I’ve said on this blog several times, MAGA and Palestinians have the same real enemy end of the day, sooner they come to this realization, better it is for both of them.

  49. @John Johnson
    @Rosie

    Boy you get really defensive about anything related to women.

    The bitter cat mom is a reliable liberal voter and someone with your experience is fully of aware of this phenomenon.

    It is not by chance that so many angry feminist writers are rough around the edges.

    In countries with public health care the same phenomenon exists.

    Bitter left-wing single women that write articles about how they don't need a man or how children are a burden. The last one I read talked about how it was great to travel alone. Yea real convincing. Nothing more fun than traveling by yourself.

    Modern society tries to pretend that female biology doesn't exist and that the single 30 year old woman is just as happy as anyone else. I have been around too many women to believe that is true but if you want to stick your head in the sand with the left then go ahead. Unlike egalitarians I can accept that both men and women are not perfect in nature. Women don't do as well with singleness but society wants to believe this isn't true and that thousands of years of evolution didn't lead to any gender or racial differences other than sexual organs and external features.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Jay Fink

    The bitter cat mom is a reliable liberal voter and someone with your experience is fully of aware of this phenomenon.

    No, I’m really not. I know lots of liberal women, and almost all of them are either WOC or White women married to liberal White men. The old maids I know are either conservative older women or Democrats for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with hatred of men.

    Bitter left-wing single women that write articles about how they don’t need a man or how children are a burden. The last one I read talked about how it was great to travel alone. Yea real convincing.

    And here you give credence to the same media that we know to be FOS. Why on Earth would you draw conclusions about single women as a whole from left-wing rags that, let’s face it, probably don’t give much editorial freedom to their columnists.

    In countries with public health care the same phenomenon exists.

    That wouldn’t surprise me in the least. We have social security and Medicare, and old people vote to defend it because they depend on it. In fact, I have an older WWC male relative who voted for Hillary and Biden precisely because of social security. He told me that Trump would do nothing on immigration, that we would shortly get a tax cut for the wealthy, and that nothing would be done to shore up SS. As you can imagine, I have heard nothing but I told you so for 4 years now.

    Modern society tries to pretend that female biology doesn’t exist and that the single 30 year old woman is just as happy as anyone else. I have been around too many women to believe that is true but if you want to stick your head in the sand with the left then go ahead. Unlike egalitarians I can accept that both men and women are not perfect in nature. Women don’t do as well with singleness but society wants to believe this isn’t true and that thousands of years of evolution didn’t lead to any gender or racial differences other than sexual organs and external features.

    I have never said anything of the sort. Yes, married women are happier, until they have kids, at which point they’re less happy, in the short term. None of this has anything to do with why single women vote as they do. You accuse them of some very nasty stuff, the least you can do is have some evidence. Absent that, don’t be surprised if you get pushback.

    • Replies: @XRay Manzarek
    @Rosie

    This is completely anecdotal, but when I was younger I did lots of volunteering in New Hampshire, every general election. I canvassed largely among the hardest core of the white working class. Old folks, single women, married women, etc.

    Overwhelmingly they were Democrats because they f'ing had to be. The Republican party offered them nothing.

    Sites like this are infested w/people who are able to see the other guy's flaws, and none of their own.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  50. @Buzz Mohawk
    Are exit polls like these more accurate than the pre-election polls that lately have been so completely wrong? (This is not a rhetorical question.)

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Diversity Heretic, @anonymous, @Libre

    In exit polls, the important part is the cross tabs. We know who won, but who voted for who and why. Read the post

  51. @dfordoom
    @Diversity Heretic


    I’m not sure at this point that I’d be making any decision based on, or even heavily influenced by, polls.
     
    One good thing to come out of this election is that we now know that all polls and all surveys are complete and utter BS. All they do is reflect the opinions of people who like answering polls and surveys. They have zero connection with reality.

    Replies: @Libre, @Audacious Epigone

    Increasingly that is the case. It’s mostly people who answer phones.

  52. @Rosie
    @Twinkie


    Boos to unmarried women.
     
    And here I thought you were just going to say something nice with no digs at anyone. Oh well I guess I should be glad for the nice part.

    Consider that unmarried women might be particularly concerned about how they're going to pay their outrageous healthcare premiums and want a public option.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Libre

    The outrageous premiums they’ve been voting for for decades?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Libre


    The outrageous premiums they’ve been voting for for decades?
     
    Please explain.
  53. @John Johnson
    @Rosie

    Boy you get really defensive about anything related to women.

    The bitter cat mom is a reliable liberal voter and someone with your experience is fully of aware of this phenomenon.

    It is not by chance that so many angry feminist writers are rough around the edges.

    In countries with public health care the same phenomenon exists.

    Bitter left-wing single women that write articles about how they don't need a man or how children are a burden. The last one I read talked about how it was great to travel alone. Yea real convincing. Nothing more fun than traveling by yourself.

    Modern society tries to pretend that female biology doesn't exist and that the single 30 year old woman is just as happy as anyone else. I have been around too many women to believe that is true but if you want to stick your head in the sand with the left then go ahead. Unlike egalitarians I can accept that both men and women are not perfect in nature. Women don't do as well with singleness but society wants to believe this isn't true and that thousands of years of evolution didn't lead to any gender or racial differences other than sexual organs and external features.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Jay Fink

    Are there really 30 year old bitter cat ladies? It’s not too late for them. Most would easily be able to find a man to settle down and raise a family with if that’s what they want. My impression is the bitterness and unhappiness starts at least a decade later.

  54. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    With that fact known, could the relentless misogyny of the right be toned down? Just a bit?
    I know, I know -- dream on.
    Still...

    https://i.imgur.com/BmQuvt5.jpg

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    Great photo. Whatever one thinks of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Roosevelt era had fine sartorial style, never equaled in the U.S. since.

  55. @Libre
    @Rosie

    The outrageous premiums they've been voting for for decades?

    Replies: @Rosie

    The outrageous premiums they’ve been voting for for decades?

    Please explain.

  56. I have hard time believing whites are only race or ethnicity that is so ideologically split. Rather, I suspect we need more granularity. For instance, seems reasonable to conclude that Hispanic Republicans identify as white much more often than Hispanic Democrats. As for whites, we know Jews are mostly Democratic, but that doesn’t account for most of white Democrats; I’d wager (following Albions Seed) descendants of Puritans and Quakers form base of today’s white Democrats while descendants of Cavaliers and Borderers are base of white Republicans, but I’m sure there’s more to it.

    Asians are curious since they used to be much more Republican. Is this related to influx of Democrat voting South Asians to replace Republican East Asians?

    It’s really only blacks and Jews that are commonly recognized racial or ethnic voting blocs.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  57. @XRay Manzarek
    @Lot

    That is a disastrous idea.

    Trump lost, face it. He lost because his share of the white male vote decreased. Face that. And, I seem to remember, he did less well than Romney did in 2012 with the white vote in 2016. (AE: amirite?)

    The road to the White House goes through white people. Pity the Republicans don't want to heed that fact.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    he did less well than Romney did in 2012 with the white vote in 2016. (AE: amirite?)

    Yeah, on that account you are.

    • Replies: @XRay Manzarek
    @Audacious Epigone

    Great. So let's step back and look at the facts, which are:

    The great Deplorable Realignment of 2016 wasn't, any more than the Blue Wave wasn't, or the Red Wave for that matter.

    Orange Bad Man Hitler underperformed with whites (not sure of the sex ratio but whatever) in 2016, as well as 2020. (Or - did he get a lesser share of the whites who came out to vote, rather than the white electorate? Only AE knows for sure.) Anyway....

    In 2020, Trump then built on that underperformance by losing a portion of the white male vote, or rather, those white men who bother to vote.

    Why? No one knows for sure, but the 2020 numbers must be looked at in the context of the 2012-2016 numbers.

  58. @JohnPlywood
    @Dumbo

    If it doesn't, --which it won't in just 2 months time--, Dumbo, et al. receive a 1-way ticket to a mental asylum for expressing their schizophrenic opinions at a time when America lost 250,000 human lives: a worse performance than any third world nation. Deal?

    Trumpers: the self-destructing nation destroyers.

    https://fortune.com/2020/11/06/trump-voters-covid-cases-red-counties-2020-election-results/


    U.S. voters went to the polls starkly divided on how they see President Donald Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic. But in places where the virus is most rampant now, Trump enjoyed enormous support.

    An Associated Press analysis reveals that in 376 counties with the highest number of new cases per capita, the overwhelming majority—93% of those counties—went for Trump, a rate above other less severely hit areas.

    Most were rural counties in Montana, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa and Wisconsin—the kinds of areas that often have lower rates of adherence to social distancing, mask-wearing and other public health measures, and have been a focal point for much of the latest surge in cases.
     

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Nobody cares if a PCR test that runs 40 cycles picks up trace amounts of coronavirus when they feel fine and exhibit no symptoms. It’s a virus so deadly you need a test to know you have it!

  59. @Audacious Epigone
    @XRay Manzarek

    he did less well than Romney did in 2012 with the white vote in 2016. (AE: amirite?)

    Yeah, on that account you are.

    Replies: @XRay Manzarek

    Great. So let’s step back and look at the facts, which are:

    The great Deplorable Realignment of 2016 wasn’t, any more than the Blue Wave wasn’t, or the Red Wave for that matter.

    Orange Bad Man Hitler underperformed with whites (not sure of the sex ratio but whatever) in 2016, as well as 2020. (Or – did he get a lesser share of the whites who came out to vote, rather than the white electorate? Only AE knows for sure.) Anyway….

    In 2020, Trump then built on that underperformance by losing a portion of the white male vote, or rather, those white men who bother to vote.

    Why? No one knows for sure, but the 2020 numbers must be looked at in the context of the 2012-2016 numbers.

  60. @Rosie
    @John Johnson


    The bitter cat mom is a reliable liberal voter and someone with your experience is fully of aware of this phenomenon.
     
    No, I'm really not. I know lots of liberal women, and almost all of them are either WOC or White women married to liberal White men. The old maids I know are either conservative older women or Democrats for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with hatred of men.

    Bitter left-wing single women that write articles about how they don’t need a man or how children are a burden. The last one I read talked about how it was great to travel alone. Yea real convincing.
     

    And here you give credence to the same media that we know to be FOS. Why on Earth would you draw conclusions about single women as a whole from left-wing rags that, let's face it, probably don't give much editorial freedom to their columnists.

    In countries with public health care the same phenomenon exists.

     

    That wouldn't surprise me in the least. We have social security and Medicare, and old people vote to defend it because they depend on it. In fact, I have an older WWC male relative who voted for Hillary and Biden precisely because of social security. He told me that Trump would do nothing on immigration, that we would shortly get a tax cut for the wealthy, and that nothing would be done to shore up SS. As you can imagine, I have heard nothing but I told you so for 4 years now.

    Modern society tries to pretend that female biology doesn’t exist and that the single 30 year old woman is just as happy as anyone else. I have been around too many women to believe that is true but if you want to stick your head in the sand with the left then go ahead. Unlike egalitarians I can accept that both men and women are not perfect in nature. Women don’t do as well with singleness but society wants to believe this isn’t true and that thousands of years of evolution didn’t lead to any gender or racial differences other than sexual organs and external features.
     
    I have never said anything of the sort. Yes, married women are happier, until they have kids, at which point they're less happy, in the short term. None of this has anything to do with why single women vote as they do. You accuse them of some very nasty stuff, the least you can do is have some evidence. Absent that, don't be surprised if you get pushback.

    Replies: @XRay Manzarek

    This is completely anecdotal, but when I was younger I did lots of volunteering in New Hampshire, every general election. I canvassed largely among the hardest core of the white working class. Old folks, single women, married women, etc.

    Overwhelmingly they were Democrats because they f’ing had to be. The Republican party offered them nothing.

    Sites like this are infested w/people who are able to see the other guy’s flaws, and none of their own.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @XRay Manzarek


    Sites like this are infested w/people who are able to see the other guy’s flaws, and none of their own.
     
    Are you sure that you are referring to the right site?

    Are there any other “sites like this”? I've not seen one.

    Hypocrisy is a general human failing, but the hypocrisy of @Audacious Epigone, @dfordoom, @Talha, @iffen, @DanHessinMD and company is about as light as hypocrisy gets.

    I hold some views that today's conventional wisdom thinks eccentric and extreme—views many or most here think are wrong. However, I've never gotten other than a respectful, engaging hearing here. That's more or less the opposite of what you suggest. Have you had a different experience?

  61. @XRay Manzarek
    @Rosie

    This is completely anecdotal, but when I was younger I did lots of volunteering in New Hampshire, every general election. I canvassed largely among the hardest core of the white working class. Old folks, single women, married women, etc.

    Overwhelmingly they were Democrats because they f'ing had to be. The Republican party offered them nothing.

    Sites like this are infested w/people who are able to see the other guy's flaws, and none of their own.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    Sites like this are infested w/people who are able to see the other guy’s flaws, and none of their own.

    Are you sure that you are referring to the right site?

    Are there any other “sites like this”? I’ve not seen one.

    Hypocrisy is a general human failing, but the hypocrisy of , , @Talha, @iffen, @DanHessinMD and company is about as light as hypocrisy gets.

    I hold some views that today’s conventional wisdom thinks eccentric and extreme—views many or most here think are wrong. However, I’ve never gotten other than a respectful, engaging hearing here. That’s more or less the opposite of what you suggest. Have you had a different experience?

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  62. @dfordoom
    @Diversity Heretic


    I’m not sure at this point that I’d be making any decision based on, or even heavily influenced by, polls.
     
    One good thing to come out of this election is that we now know that all polls and all surveys are complete and utter BS. All they do is reflect the opinions of people who like answering polls and surveys. They have zero connection with reality.

    Replies: @Libre, @Audacious Epigone

    They’re not going to be that far off this election, assuming it settles the way it looks like it is going to. In 2016, they overshot Clinton’s support by about 1-2 points. In 2020, it’s going to be more like 2-3 points for Biden. The upper Midwest, again, is where the polls missed the worst. Maybe they’re really stacking the deck there because it’s crucial and close, or maybe there is some other reason the pollsters have trouble with reason.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Audacious Epigone


    The upper Midwest, again, is where the polls missed the worst. Maybe they’re really stacking the deck there because it’s crucial and close, or maybe there is some other reason the pollsters have trouble with reason.
     
    I suspect they're not deliberately stacking the deck. I suspect that they genuinely have no idea why their polls are not reflecting reality, and that they have no idea why the polls are particularly inaccurate in certain geographical areas and among certain demographics. I don't think they're capable of understanding the extent to which their assumptions about polling are wrong. Opinion polls simply do not work any longer because so few people respond to them, and the people who do respond to polls are more and more unrepresentative of the population as a whole.

    But the pollsters cannot admit this to themselves because to admit it would be to admit that their entire industry is no longer based on a methodology that works. It would be like expecting astrologers to admit that astrology doesn't actually work.
  63. @angmoh
    Is the overall gender split really as extreme as implied by charts 3 and 4? You would think it would be closer to 50:50

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Looks like it. There are millions more female voters than male voters.

  64. @Audacious Epigone
    @dfordoom

    They're not going to be that far off this election, assuming it settles the way it looks like it is going to. In 2016, they overshot Clinton's support by about 1-2 points. In 2020, it's going to be more like 2-3 points for Biden. The upper Midwest, again, is where the polls missed the worst. Maybe they're really stacking the deck there because it's crucial and close, or maybe there is some other reason the pollsters have trouble with reason.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The upper Midwest, again, is where the polls missed the worst. Maybe they’re really stacking the deck there because it’s crucial and close, or maybe there is some other reason the pollsters have trouble with reason.

    I suspect they’re not deliberately stacking the deck. I suspect that they genuinely have no idea why their polls are not reflecting reality, and that they have no idea why the polls are particularly inaccurate in certain geographical areas and among certain demographics. I don’t think they’re capable of understanding the extent to which their assumptions about polling are wrong. Opinion polls simply do not work any longer because so few people respond to them, and the people who do respond to polls are more and more unrepresentative of the population as a whole.

    But the pollsters cannot admit this to themselves because to admit it would be to admit that their entire industry is no longer based on a methodology that works. It would be like expecting astrologers to admit that astrology doesn’t actually work.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund

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