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The first three years of the Trump presidency saw a gentle easing of racial tensions in America, interrupted by a three month setback following the Charlottesville fiasco. The interracial killing in Georgia is going to erase those polling gains like coronavirus erased the Trump administration’s market gains. As in the Trayvon Martin killing, blacks and goodwhites will bray for blood that the law will prevent them from getting. There will come a time when American jurisprudence breaks down entirely, but we’re not there yet.

Utilizing data from Gallup, the following graphs show how whites, blacks, and Hispanics have perceived racial relations over time between whites and blacks, between whites and Hispanics, and between blacks and Hispanics, respectively:

The consensus among all three groups is that white-black tensions are the worst, black-Hispanic tensions the best, and white-Hispanic tensions in between.

It used to be common to hear conservatives talk about how the real racial hatred in the country was between blacks and Hispanics. “Gangs, schoolyards, South Central–they fight over all of it” they’d assert, shaking their heads. That isn’t heard much anymore.

After four centuries sharing a country, half of whites and over half of blacks think relations between whites and blacks are bad–and things are likely to get significantly worse in the near future. Guess we’re just not blaming rednecks and white fragility enough. We’ll have to try more of that.

 
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  1. I am not sure. Black-white intermarriage is at an all-time high (albeit not a large portion of interracial marriage).

    Interestingly, contrary to the WN narrative, the number of famous white men who have married black women much less famous than them is pretty long :

    Roger Ebert
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Robert DeNiro
    Bill Burr
    George Lucas
    David Bowie
    Wolfgang Puck
    Boris Becker
    Bret ‘the Hitman’ Hart
    Cody Rhodes

    WNs would have one believe that this never happens, but while famous black men marry white women at a higher rate, the reverse (famous white men marrying black women) is not that much less frequent. Perhaps 2:1 or at the most 3:1 is the ratio of BM-WW vs. WM-BW is the man is famous.

    Lastly, don’t forget Ann Coulter’s activities, for which I wrote the famous song “Ann-O-Mite” :

    She Dy-no-mite, she Dy-no-mite!!
    When we boink, it outta sight!

    Cucks think she be on the right,
    Cuz of that, big checks they write!

    I is black, and she is white,
    One joins with the other like day and night!


    WN w**g*rs first quake with fright,
    But after a while, just burn with spite.

    Together, we set the stage alight!
    She Dy-no-mite, she Dy-no-mite!!

    ______________________________________

    • Replies: @Realist

    Interestingly, contrary to the WN narrative, the number of famous white men who have married black women much less famous than them is pretty long :
     
    Fame does not confer intelligence.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Thomm, I agree with almost everything Ann Coulter writes and says. I like your song though, and I do think that this type of thing explains why she mysteriously is still if favor of Affirmative Action. She's too skinny and tall for me anyway - not really my type.

    That said, yes, Ann Coulter as President would be Dyn-o-mite! She would get done all the things that President Trump does nothing but run his big mouth about. Day 1: work with State legislatures on a Constitutional Amendment that rescinds Amendment XIX.
    , @Truth
    The next major relationship trend you will see is an explosion of WM-BF couples in about 6 months. I probably see it around me 3x what I used to.

    And the funny thing is that there has been a long stereotype amongst BMs that BFs are sweeter, less argumentative, and more docile when they are with WMs... And that's exactly what I see. When I see these couples the BF always seems to be walking steps behind.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Jimmy Walker can do much better than she-male Ann.

    "Black-white intermarriage is at an all-time high"

    Especially in TV commercials. I live in a very diverse California city. I'm not seeing your claim in reality. Personally, I don't care. If you can find meaningful and lasting love with a woman of another ethnicity, kudos.
  2. It will be interesting to see if Corona makes a dent in these numbers.

    I’ve been wondering if the news is becoming less racialist or more racialist, as Covid-19 seems to be filling up a greater part of it. But I don’t consume enough of the mainstream media to gauge it.

  3. The source data seems to suggest that white-Asian tensions are the least problematic as seen by both whites and blacks.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Since Asians weren't polled separately, I didn't include them, but that appears to be the case.
  4. It used to be common to hear conservatives talk about how the real racial hatred in the country was between blacks and Hispanics. “Gangs, schoolyards, South Central–they fight over all of it” they’d assert, shaking their heads.

    I think it could still be true that blacks and Hispanic gangs fight over turfs and schools (in black-Hispanic areas) while the general public among them (who live as minorities in largely white areas) still harbors positive sentiments about each other.

    • Replies: @Anon

    I think it could still be true that blacks and Hispanic gangs fight over turfs and schools (in black-Hispanic areas) while the general public among them (who live as minorities in largely white areas) still harbors positive sentiments about each other.
     
    In CA I think things are simpler. And blacks and Hispanics live separately. Hispanics in CA auto-segregate.

    But take a place like Boston. Do the large number of Dominicans in Lynn, MA schools count as Hispanic or black? Do the children of Colombian or Chilean doctors and professors in Newton, MA schools count as Hispanic, white, or white-Hispanic? Do Brazilians count as Hispanic? Do black Brazilian kids in Framingham, MA schools count as black? What about the Italian-looking Brazilian kids?

    But racially speaking the only races that get along well are white and Asian.

  5. Blacks believe everything the media says.

    The media says that race relations are at their worst ever right now, because Drympf is riling up the evil white racists. So that’s what blacks believe.

    I’ve noticed it’s the blacks who have a worse and worse attitude. They seem to be staring me down for no reason these days.

    There’s no reason for whites and blacks to live together. Bring back freedom of association and let us be free of them.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Aside from your trollish mis-spelling of "Trump"....

    I’ve noticed it’s the blacks who have a worse and worse attitude. They seem to be staring me down for no reason these days.
     
    I haven't seen one in a few years now, and don't miss the experience.

    There’s no reason for whites and blacks to live together. Bring back freedom of association and let us be free of them.
     
    Agree whole-heartedly.  Let's start by exiling all African criminals to da muddaland, permanently.  Then we can follow up with the welfare cases and other unemployables.  Those who do not work, neither shall they eat... from our efforts.
    , @Truth

    There’s no reason for whites and blacks to live together. Bring back freedom of association and let us be free of them.
     
    LOL, don't you have bigger fish to fry up there, Komrade?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOKQDSpJIzc&feature=emb_logo
    , @paranoid goy
    You afraid of the bad black man? Maybe grow some balls?
  6. As is sometimes the case, the lines on these graphs are not really that far apart, and we are attempting to make conclusions from small differences. If I were glancing at those graphs in any other situation, I would only be able to say that some change occurred toward the recent ends of those lines. Otherwise, not big difference.

    So, my conclusion is that recent years have included increased racial tensions. Wow, this is really surprising.

    However, I will say one thing from anecdotal experience: There is a somewhat “bad” relationship between Latin Americans and Blacks in my region. I have learned this from talking with Latin American men I have met here. They don’t like living near the blacks, and that is a situation many of them find themselves in. It’s not nice to say, but in this case familiarity breeds contempt.

    (You will note that I am trying to avoid using the term “Hispanic.” That is a meaningless or deceptive word. There are all kinds of Hispanic people in my country who have hundreds of years of history here as Americans. They are as ‘Merican as I am, and some were my good friends in the American Southwest, growing up and hiking and climbing with me. They are not the same thing as the people from Latin America, or people whose parents migrated here from Latin America.)

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Buzz, I used the term "Hispanic" to fit in with the graph labelling. "Latins" doesn't work very well, so maybe you'd like "Latino". How about we go back to "Chicano" which brings back memories of Chico and the Man from back when unassimilated Chicanos were a very small percentage of the population, just as with Orientals, a few .Indians, a very few Arabs ... etc?
    , @Truth
    I have noticed no particular problem amongst Blacks and Hispanics, either the East Coast or West Coast variety, although I understand it happens in prison. Good thing I am not in prison.
  7. This has summed up race relations for about 60 years now and is just as valid as ever whenever there’s a new incident:
    https://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2015/06/frankly-my-dear-guest-post-from-ol-remus.html

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Thanks for posting that. Very well said. The truth too.
  8. What people say in this poll and what is really going on are two different things. White/Hispanic relations are not really bad at all, in my opinion. The only issue “between them” is the immigration invasion, and the few agitator La Raza types notwithstanding, there are loads of Hispanics on the same side of Whites on this issues. (Most of Blacks just blindly vote D and don’t bother to think of how much this immigration invasion has screwed their people.)

    I am glad to NOT have much personal experience in this, but from what I read of Steve Sailer and others, Black and Hispanics don’t get along very well at all, as groups.

    Yes, of course, most White Americans don’t want the country turning Hispanic, don’t want to have to speak (and hear all the time) Spanish, and don’t want many of those kids in their kids’ schools. The latter is simply because they aren’t the good students, but there’s really no hatred involved as there is for the black disfunction and violence.

    • Replies: @Slimer

    Yes, of course, most White Americans don’t want the country turning Hispanic, don’t want to have to speak (and hear all the time) Spanish, and don’t want many of those kids in their kids’ schools. The latter is simply because they aren’t the good students, but there’s really no hatred involved as there is for the black disfunction and violence.
     
    Your commentary on White-Hispanic relations is pretty spot on. It's worth adding, though, that the latter group's penchant for leftism is partially to blame for white America's ambivalence towards fully accepting them into the fold. However, we need to dispense with the PC notion that hatred towards blacks is "really" about disfunction and violence, when it's plainly rooted in a knee-jerk repulsion to African physical features. Other justifications fail to hold water given that Latin America and the Middle East are far more violent than Sub-Saharan Africa, yet people from those regions are generally well liked. Can't say the same about blacks, who are hated everywhere.
  9. @Buzz Mohawk
    As is sometimes the case, the lines on these graphs are not really that far apart, and we are attempting to make conclusions from small differences. If I were glancing at those graphs in any other situation, I would only be able to say that some change occurred toward the recent ends of those lines. Otherwise, not big difference.

    So, my conclusion is that recent years have included increased racial tensions. Wow, this is really surprising.

    However, I will say one thing from anecdotal experience: There is a somewhat "bad" relationship between Latin Americans and Blacks in my region. I have learned this from talking with Latin American men I have met here. They don't like living near the blacks, and that is a situation many of them find themselves in. It's not nice to say, but in this case familiarity breeds contempt.

    (You will note that I am trying to avoid using the term "Hispanic." That is a meaningless or deceptive word. There are all kinds of Hispanic people in my country who have hundreds of years of history here as Americans. They are as 'Merican as I am, and some were my good friends in the American Southwest, growing up and hiking and climbing with me. They are not the same thing as the people from Latin America, or people whose parents migrated here from Latin America.)

    Buzz, I used the term “Hispanic” to fit in with the graph labelling. “Latins” doesn’t work very well, so maybe you’d like “Latino”. How about we go back to “Chicano” which brings back memories of Chico and the Man from back when unassimilated Chicanos were a very small percentage of the population, just as with Orientals, a few .Indians, a very few Arabs … etc?

  10. An alternative take on the Arbery killing in Georgia … from 4chan:

    Ahmaud Arbery died FIGHTING what he reasonably could fear was a Georgia homosexual older-guy rape gang. ‘He died with his boots on.’

    Rather than face the hellish horror of being possibly raped, tortured and killed anyway, young black Arbery took the brave chance to fight his stalkers, jumping to grab a gun. That he lost this battle against great odds, merits our respect.

    Arbery likely saw the famous 1972 film ‘Deliverance’, about what some perverted white guys in Georgia like to do when they can catch an attractive victim in a vulnerable situation

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Um, yeah. Right.

    So we should impose Jewish Hollywood’s ignorant, bigoted stereotype of what they imagine a Southern male to look and behave like as a template for understanding this encounter?

    As I’ve said before, most northerner’s opinions about the South are the product of two movies: Easy Rider and Deliverance.

    Hey all you people who innocently want to canoe the rivers of the South! Don’t do it because you will get butt fucked by hillbillies. Cause, you know, that’s all that hillbillies really fantasize about, sticking their schlongs up your ass.

    As always, Hollywood’s obsessions speak more about the inner landscape of their own minds than they do of those they portray.

    Speaking of Arbery; some photos showed black males well armed with assault rifles parading down a street somewhere in Georgia in protest. What if the situation were reversed and a white guy were to run out onto the street and attempt to wrestle a rifle away from one of these righteous warriors? What would we expect the black guy to do? What would we accept as his rightful response? Let him take it away? And so on. I think you get the picture.

    Funny, I moved to the South from the North ten years ago; I canoe rivers, hike trails etc. and haven’t been butt fucked yet. Guess I’m an exception.

    I would bet everything I own that rooting other men up the butt is far more common in Hollywood than it is in the rural South. (And I’d win that bet.)
  11. @Coolio
    This has summed up race relations for about 60 years now and is just as valid as ever whenever there’s a new incident:
    https://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2015/06/frankly-my-dear-guest-post-from-ol-remus.html

    Thanks for posting that. Very well said. The truth too.

  12. @Thomm
    I am not sure. Black-white intermarriage is at an all-time high (albeit not a large portion of interracial marriage).

    Interestingly, contrary to the WN narrative, the number of famous white men who have married black women much less famous than them is pretty long :

    Roger Ebert
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Robert DeNiro
    Bill Burr
    George Lucas
    David Bowie
    Wolfgang Puck
    Boris Becker
    Bret 'the Hitman' Hart
    Cody Rhodes

    WNs would have one believe that this never happens, but while famous black men marry white women at a higher rate, the reverse (famous white men marrying black women) is not that much less frequent. Perhaps 2:1 or at the most 3:1 is the ratio of BM-WW vs. WM-BW is the man is famous.

    Lastly, don't forget Ann Coulter's activities, for which I wrote the famous song "Ann-O-Mite" :

    https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F20%2F2017%2F04%2Fann-coulter.jpg

    She Dy-no-mite, she Dy-no-mite!!
    When we boink, it outta sight!


    Cucks think she be on the right,
    Cuz of that, big checks they write!

    I is black, and she is white,
    One joins with the other like day and night!


    WN w**g*rs first quake with fright,
    But after a while, just burn with spite.

    Together, we set the stage alight!
    She Dy-no-mite, she Dy-no-mite!!


    ______________________________________

    Interestingly, contrary to the WN narrative, the number of famous white men who have married black women much less famous than them is pretty long :

    Fame does not confer intelligence.

  13. @brabantian
    An alternative take on the Arbery killing in Georgia ... from 4chan:

    Ahmaud Arbery died FIGHTING what he reasonably could fear was a Georgia homosexual older-guy rape gang. 'He died with his boots on.'

    Rather than face the hellish horror of being possibly raped, tortured and killed anyway, young black Arbery took the brave chance to fight his stalkers, jumping to grab a gun. That he lost this battle against great odds, merits our respect.

    Arbery likely saw the famous 1972 film 'Deliverance', about what some perverted white guys in Georgia like to do when they can catch an attractive victim in a vulnerable situation
     
    https://i.ibb.co/nLdc25Y/deliverance-georgia-2020.jpg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myhnAZFR1po

    Um, yeah. Right.

    So we should impose Jewish Hollywood’s ignorant, bigoted stereotype of what they imagine a Southern male to look and behave like as a template for understanding this encounter?

    As I’ve said before, most northerner’s opinions about the South are the product of two movies: Easy Rider and Deliverance.

    Hey all you people who innocently want to canoe the rivers of the South! Don’t do it because you will get butt fucked by hillbillies. Cause, you know, that’s all that hillbillies really fantasize about, sticking their schlongs up your ass.

    As always, Hollywood’s obsessions speak more about the inner landscape of their own minds than they do of those they portray.

    Speaking of Arbery; some photos showed black males well armed with assault rifles parading down a street somewhere in Georgia in protest. What if the situation were reversed and a white guy were to run out onto the street and attempt to wrestle a rifle away from one of these righteous warriors? What would we expect the black guy to do? What would we accept as his rightful response? Let him take it away? And so on. I think you get the picture.

    Funny, I moved to the South from the North ten years ago; I canoe rivers, hike trails etc. and haven’t been butt fucked yet. Guess I’m an exception.

    I would bet everything I own that rooting other men up the butt is far more common in Hollywood than it is in the rural South. (And I’d win that bet.)

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    I moved to the South from the North ten years ago; I canoe rivers, hike trails etc. and haven’t been butt fucked yet.
     
    Well, I just think that it’s marvelous that a site like Unz exists where one may bare his innermost lamentations anonymously and without fear of ridicule.

    Keep after it and I’m sure you’ll meet the redneck of your dreams any day now..

    😏
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED!

    Now, I like me some banjo music, and Dueling Banjos is one of my favorites (I can play the guitar part). However, I don't know what the hell was up with S. Carolinian English Professor James Dickey and this one. I did not ever see the movie - kinda before my time anyway.

    That brings up another movie, The Prince of Tides, from a book written by S. Carolinian Pat Conroy, a more prolific author. The movie showed the bad guys to be white too. That was just unbelievable for any Southerner. (Think about it - the guy(s) escaped from prison. How many white people would even be in that prison down there on the SC coast compared to blacks?) I don't know what the deal was in the book. Was it just the movie - more Hollywood pushing the narrative and getting to watch something they enjoy at the same time?

    Anyway, great comment, 3-Cranes.
    , @paranoid goy

    haven’t been butt fucked yet
     
    That's coz you ain't pretty, like that black guy inna picshure. How can any hillbilly resist such a pretty young man?
    I know nuffin' 'bout this case, don't really care, just had to tell you how friggin ugly you are, no hillbilly wants you! Maybe putton sum offat blackface? brabantian and 3Cranes will help you with your makeup, them loves the butts.
  14. Has anyone noticed the glaring disparity between what Blacks think of White-Hispanic relations and what both Hispanics and Whites think of such relations?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    the glaring disparity between what Blacks think of White-Hispanic relations and what both Hispanics and Whites think of such relations?
     
    And what do you make of it? An artifact of the all consuming hatred (jealousy?) so many negroes harbor against white people? Self-assuagement of their inferiority fears that white folk don’t hold a unique opinion of their race, but that Mexicans are just as bad?
    , @Hypnotoad666

    Has anyone noticed the glaring disparity between what Blacks think of White-Hispanic relations and what both Hispanics and Whites think of such relations?
     
    Blacks figure: "if white people don't like us, they must hate everybody."

    In LA there are very few whites in the blue collar workforce (aside from construction). It's overwhelmingly Hispanic, and they don't think much of the occasional black guy who shows up in their midst. The main knock is that blacks are bone-lazy compared to Hispanics. It's not like hatred or anything, but since immigrant Hispanics aren't politically correct they will laugh at their black coworkers, both to their face and behind their backs.

    The blacks do not appreciate it. But since they are so totally outnumbered they can't do much about it. There is no politically correct HR lady to bitch to, just the Hispanic foreman who doesn't care if they quit their $15 an hour job.
  15. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Blacks believe everything the media says.

    The media says that race relations are at their worst ever right now, because Drympf is riling up the evil white racists. So that's what blacks believe.

    I've noticed it's the blacks who have a worse and worse attitude. They seem to be staring me down for no reason these days.

    There's no reason for whites and blacks to live together. Bring back freedom of association and let us be free of them.

    Aside from your trollish mis-spelling of “Trump”….

    I’ve noticed it’s the blacks who have a worse and worse attitude. They seem to be staring me down for no reason these days.

    I haven’t seen one in a few years now, and don’t miss the experience.

    There’s no reason for whites and blacks to live together. Bring back freedom of association and let us be free of them.

    Agree whole-heartedly.  Let’s start by exiling all African criminals to da muddaland, permanently.  Then we can follow up with the welfare cases and other unemployables.  Those who do not work, neither shall they eat… from our efforts.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    I haven’t seen one in a few years now, and don’t miss the experience.
     
    Wait, what happened to our business plan for running African safaris in Detriot? We were even strategizing about where to locate the bait piles (signs reading “wite wimminz here” and “shiny gym shoes”) weren’t we?

    I’m going to be coronabankrupt if this venture fails.
  16. @ThreeCranes
    Um, yeah. Right.

    So we should impose Jewish Hollywood’s ignorant, bigoted stereotype of what they imagine a Southern male to look and behave like as a template for understanding this encounter?

    As I’ve said before, most northerner’s opinions about the South are the product of two movies: Easy Rider and Deliverance.

    Hey all you people who innocently want to canoe the rivers of the South! Don’t do it because you will get butt fucked by hillbillies. Cause, you know, that’s all that hillbillies really fantasize about, sticking their schlongs up your ass.

    As always, Hollywood’s obsessions speak more about the inner landscape of their own minds than they do of those they portray.

    Speaking of Arbery; some photos showed black males well armed with assault rifles parading down a street somewhere in Georgia in protest. What if the situation were reversed and a white guy were to run out onto the street and attempt to wrestle a rifle away from one of these righteous warriors? What would we expect the black guy to do? What would we accept as his rightful response? Let him take it away? And so on. I think you get the picture.

    Funny, I moved to the South from the North ten years ago; I canoe rivers, hike trails etc. and haven’t been butt fucked yet. Guess I’m an exception.

    I would bet everything I own that rooting other men up the butt is far more common in Hollywood than it is in the rural South. (And I’d win that bet.)

    I moved to the South from the North ten years ago; I canoe rivers, hike trails etc. and haven’t been butt fucked yet.

    Well, I just think that it’s marvelous that a site like Unz exists where one may bare his innermost lamentations anonymously and without fear of ridicule.

    Keep after it and I’m sure you’ll meet the redneck of your dreams any day now..

    😏

    • LOL: Truth
    • Troll: Ace
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Gosh, Stan. You’re one clever fellow. Throw a little pixie dust in our faces. Did my observation about Hollywood strike a little too close to home? And what have you got against Southerners? Really? (Bear in mind, when you answer that the root of “really” is “real” as in, “You really are a real disgusting, contemptible human being.”)
  17. @AP
    Has anyone noticed the glaring disparity between what Blacks think of White-Hispanic relations and what both Hispanics and Whites think of such relations?

    the glaring disparity between what Blacks think of White-Hispanic relations and what both Hispanics and Whites think of such relations?

    And what do you make of it? An artifact of the all consuming hatred (jealousy?) so many negroes harbor against white people? Self-assuagement of their inferiority fears that white folk don’t hold a unique opinion of their race, but that Mexicans are just as bad?

    • Replies: @AP
    Projection of their own animosity/historical experience onto other non-white minorities in a way that doesn't reflect reality.
  18. @Mr. Rational
    Aside from your trollish mis-spelling of "Trump"....

    I’ve noticed it’s the blacks who have a worse and worse attitude. They seem to be staring me down for no reason these days.
     
    I haven't seen one in a few years now, and don't miss the experience.

    There’s no reason for whites and blacks to live together. Bring back freedom of association and let us be free of them.
     
    Agree whole-heartedly.  Let's start by exiling all African criminals to da muddaland, permanently.  Then we can follow up with the welfare cases and other unemployables.  Those who do not work, neither shall they eat... from our efforts.

    I haven’t seen one in a few years now, and don’t miss the experience.

    Wait, what happened to our business plan for running African safaris in Detriot? We were even strategizing about where to locate the bait piles (signs reading “wite wimminz here” and “shiny gym shoes”) weren’t we?

    I’m going to be coronabankrupt if this venture fails.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  19. @Stan d Mute

    the glaring disparity between what Blacks think of White-Hispanic relations and what both Hispanics and Whites think of such relations?
     
    And what do you make of it? An artifact of the all consuming hatred (jealousy?) so many negroes harbor against white people? Self-assuagement of their inferiority fears that white folk don’t hold a unique opinion of their race, but that Mexicans are just as bad?

    Projection of their own animosity/historical experience onto other non-white minorities in a way that doesn’t reflect reality.

  20. @Thomm
    I am not sure. Black-white intermarriage is at an all-time high (albeit not a large portion of interracial marriage).

    Interestingly, contrary to the WN narrative, the number of famous white men who have married black women much less famous than them is pretty long :

    Roger Ebert
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Robert DeNiro
    Bill Burr
    George Lucas
    David Bowie
    Wolfgang Puck
    Boris Becker
    Bret 'the Hitman' Hart
    Cody Rhodes

    WNs would have one believe that this never happens, but while famous black men marry white women at a higher rate, the reverse (famous white men marrying black women) is not that much less frequent. Perhaps 2:1 or at the most 3:1 is the ratio of BM-WW vs. WM-BW is the man is famous.

    Lastly, don't forget Ann Coulter's activities, for which I wrote the famous song "Ann-O-Mite" :

    https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F20%2F2017%2F04%2Fann-coulter.jpg

    She Dy-no-mite, she Dy-no-mite!!
    When we boink, it outta sight!


    Cucks think she be on the right,
    Cuz of that, big checks they write!

    I is black, and she is white,
    One joins with the other like day and night!


    WN w**g*rs first quake with fright,
    But after a while, just burn with spite.

    Together, we set the stage alight!
    She Dy-no-mite, she Dy-no-mite!!


    ______________________________________

    Thomm, I agree with almost everything Ann Coulter writes and says. I like your song though, and I do think that this type of thing explains why she mysteriously is still if favor of Affirmative Action. She’s too skinny and tall for me anyway – not really my type.

    That said, yes, Ann Coulter as President would be Dyn-o-mite! She would get done all the things that President Trump does nothing but run his big mouth about. Day 1: work with State legislatures on a Constitutional Amendment that rescinds Amendment XIX.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    I like Ann Coulter, but for different reasons.

    Based on her actions, she is an entertaining center-moderate actress playing a role that pays. She is a never-married, childless NYC lawyer chick who has specifically dated black, Jewish, and South Asian men (and the Jewish man is a leftist). The only common pattern in her dating is that the men in question were famous before she was.

    She is the first official Conserva-Thot. She writes some conservative things that countless men have written before her, and needy, pedestalizing cucks/WNs make her rich and famous. No wonder a long line from Laura Ingraham to Lauren Southern to Tomi Lahren to Candace Owen have followed suit. Tradthots are not Trad, they are just centrists who know how to sucker needy bottom-tier men out of money. Hats off to their usage of free market principles to deploy their own personal tax on bottom-tier men.

  21. @ThreeCranes
    Um, yeah. Right.

    So we should impose Jewish Hollywood’s ignorant, bigoted stereotype of what they imagine a Southern male to look and behave like as a template for understanding this encounter?

    As I’ve said before, most northerner’s opinions about the South are the product of two movies: Easy Rider and Deliverance.

    Hey all you people who innocently want to canoe the rivers of the South! Don’t do it because you will get butt fucked by hillbillies. Cause, you know, that’s all that hillbillies really fantasize about, sticking their schlongs up your ass.

    As always, Hollywood’s obsessions speak more about the inner landscape of their own minds than they do of those they portray.

    Speaking of Arbery; some photos showed black males well armed with assault rifles parading down a street somewhere in Georgia in protest. What if the situation were reversed and a white guy were to run out onto the street and attempt to wrestle a rifle away from one of these righteous warriors? What would we expect the black guy to do? What would we accept as his rightful response? Let him take it away? And so on. I think you get the picture.

    Funny, I moved to the South from the North ten years ago; I canoe rivers, hike trails etc. and haven’t been butt fucked yet. Guess I’m an exception.

    I would bet everything I own that rooting other men up the butt is far more common in Hollywood than it is in the rural South. (And I’d win that bet.)

    AGREED!

    Now, I like me some banjo music, and Dueling Banjos is one of my favorites (I can play the guitar part). However, I don’t know what the hell was up with S. Carolinian English Professor James Dickey and this one. I did not ever see the movie – kinda before my time anyway.

    That brings up another movie, The Prince of Tides, from a book written by S. Carolinian Pat Conroy, a more prolific author. The movie showed the bad guys to be white too. That was just unbelievable for any Southerner. (Think about it – the guy(s) escaped from prison. How many white people would even be in that prison down there on the SC coast compared to blacks?) I don’t know what the deal was in the book. Was it just the movie – more Hollywood pushing the narrative and getting to watch something they enjoy at the same time?

    Anyway, great comment, 3-Cranes.

  22. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    It used to be common to hear conservatives talk about how the real racial hatred in the country was between blacks and Hispanics. “Gangs, schoolyards, South Central–they fight over all of it” they’d assert, shaking their heads.
     
    I think it could still be true that blacks and Hispanic gangs fight over turfs and schools (in black-Hispanic areas) while the general public among them (who live as minorities in largely white areas) still harbors positive sentiments about each other.

    I think it could still be true that blacks and Hispanic gangs fight over turfs and schools (in black-Hispanic areas) while the general public among them (who live as minorities in largely white areas) still harbors positive sentiments about each other.

    In CA I think things are simpler. And blacks and Hispanics live separately. Hispanics in CA auto-segregate.

    But take a place like Boston. Do the large number of Dominicans in Lynn, MA schools count as Hispanic or black? Do the children of Colombian or Chilean doctors and professors in Newton, MA schools count as Hispanic, white, or white-Hispanic? Do Brazilians count as Hispanic? Do black Brazilian kids in Framingham, MA schools count as black? What about the Italian-looking Brazilian kids?

    But racially speaking the only races that get along well are white and Asian.

    • Replies: @216

    But racially speaking the only races that get along well are white and Asian.

     

    Socially speaking, yes.

    Politically speaking, no.

    Asians are now worse than Hispanics, a trend that many Boomercons are unaware of.
  23. I think many people give what they think are the answers pollsters want to hear so I don’t put a lot of credibility in these polls.

    I only go by what I see and hear.

    I live in NYC and my granddaughter until fairly recently went to a public school. She was in a duo-language program for Spanish speaking children. She actually wasn’t eligible to be in the program because part of the criteria was that you have to have at least one-Spanish speaking parent at home to be eligible. She was accepted into the class because her father spoke Spanish; although, she was living with me at the time and he was at a different address. She now lives with her parents and attends a nice suburban school district in NJ.

    She was the only white girl in the class but got along, not great, but okay with the other girls.

    The interesting thing about the whole thing was that out of about 25 kids there wasn’t one black kid in the class. Towards the beginning of the second semester I noticed a black boy had joined the class, but he left before the end of the semester. My thinking was that a duo-language class is a lot of extra work and most parents don’t want to be bothered with it.

    In brief, Hispanic emigration has not empowered the Black community at all, perhaps superficially in the media coverage. Actually Hispanic parents seems just as determined to keep Black kids out of their classrooms as White parents once were when White kids actually attended public schools in the city…

    Just my opinion, other will think differently I am sure.

  24. @Stan d Mute

    I moved to the South from the North ten years ago; I canoe rivers, hike trails etc. and haven’t been butt fucked yet.
     
    Well, I just think that it’s marvelous that a site like Unz exists where one may bare his innermost lamentations anonymously and without fear of ridicule.

    Keep after it and I’m sure you’ll meet the redneck of your dreams any day now..

    😏

    Gosh, Stan. You’re one clever fellow. Throw a little pixie dust in our faces. Did my observation about Hollywood strike a little too close to home? And what have you got against Southerners? Really? (Bear in mind, when you answer that the root of “really” is “real” as in, “You really are a real disgusting, contemptible human being.”)

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    The things you miss because HTML lacks a <sarcasm> tag.
  25. @Thomm
    I am not sure. Black-white intermarriage is at an all-time high (albeit not a large portion of interracial marriage).

    Interestingly, contrary to the WN narrative, the number of famous white men who have married black women much less famous than them is pretty long :

    Roger Ebert
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Robert DeNiro
    Bill Burr
    George Lucas
    David Bowie
    Wolfgang Puck
    Boris Becker
    Bret 'the Hitman' Hart
    Cody Rhodes

    WNs would have one believe that this never happens, but while famous black men marry white women at a higher rate, the reverse (famous white men marrying black women) is not that much less frequent. Perhaps 2:1 or at the most 3:1 is the ratio of BM-WW vs. WM-BW is the man is famous.

    Lastly, don't forget Ann Coulter's activities, for which I wrote the famous song "Ann-O-Mite" :

    https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F20%2F2017%2F04%2Fann-coulter.jpg

    She Dy-no-mite, she Dy-no-mite!!
    When we boink, it outta sight!


    Cucks think she be on the right,
    Cuz of that, big checks they write!

    I is black, and she is white,
    One joins with the other like day and night!


    WN w**g*rs first quake with fright,
    But after a while, just burn with spite.

    Together, we set the stage alight!
    She Dy-no-mite, she Dy-no-mite!!


    ______________________________________

    The next major relationship trend you will see is an explosion of WM-BF couples in about 6 months. I probably see it around me 3x what I used to.

    And the funny thing is that there has been a long stereotype amongst BMs that BFs are sweeter, less argumentative, and more docile when they are with WMs… And that’s exactly what I see. When I see these couples the BF always seems to be walking steps behind.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    "BFs are sweeter, less argumentative, and more docile when they are with WMs"

    White dudes have mucho mojo.
  26. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Blacks believe everything the media says.

    The media says that race relations are at their worst ever right now, because Drympf is riling up the evil white racists. So that's what blacks believe.

    I've noticed it's the blacks who have a worse and worse attitude. They seem to be staring me down for no reason these days.

    There's no reason for whites and blacks to live together. Bring back freedom of association and let us be free of them.

    There’s no reason for whites and blacks to live together. Bring back freedom of association and let us be free of them.

    LOL, don’t you have bigger fish to fry up there, Komrade?

  27. @Buzz Mohawk
    As is sometimes the case, the lines on these graphs are not really that far apart, and we are attempting to make conclusions from small differences. If I were glancing at those graphs in any other situation, I would only be able to say that some change occurred toward the recent ends of those lines. Otherwise, not big difference.

    So, my conclusion is that recent years have included increased racial tensions. Wow, this is really surprising.

    However, I will say one thing from anecdotal experience: There is a somewhat "bad" relationship between Latin Americans and Blacks in my region. I have learned this from talking with Latin American men I have met here. They don't like living near the blacks, and that is a situation many of them find themselves in. It's not nice to say, but in this case familiarity breeds contempt.

    (You will note that I am trying to avoid using the term "Hispanic." That is a meaningless or deceptive word. There are all kinds of Hispanic people in my country who have hundreds of years of history here as Americans. They are as 'Merican as I am, and some were my good friends in the American Southwest, growing up and hiking and climbing with me. They are not the same thing as the people from Latin America, or people whose parents migrated here from Latin America.)

    I have noticed no particular problem amongst Blacks and Hispanics, either the East Coast or West Coast variety, although I understand it happens in prison. Good thing I am not in prison.

  28. It appears the racial rhetoric of the left is pretty effective at getting blacks to believe things are bad between them and whites and they believe this must also be the case between whites and Latinos although these two groups are less likely to think so. Obviously the various actors in progressive politics are aware of how susceptible blacks are to having their perceptions manipulated so we can look forward to a steady diet of 1619 Project type stuff for the foreseeable future.

    On the flipside, it doesn’t seem to affect white/Latino relations much, so there is still a good chance IMO that however amenable Latinos seem towards blacks in terms of relations, they really don’t want to live near them/have kids in school with them any more than most whites. If the right is smart, they will try to offer Latinos the same sort of living and school arrangements that most appeal to whites and the left’s insistence that this be undone in the name of racial balancing will drive away more and more Latinos over time.

    • Replies: @216
    There's a big margin of difference between Spanish and English speaking households.

    The way for the Right to pick up more Hispanic votes is cutting immigration, and a simultaneous leftward shift on economics to accept labor unions as a counterbalance to transnational corporations.

    Hispanic "social conservatism" is a 1990s meme that strangely has been a zombie. The data shown here shows it to be a lie.

    While the Right can't do much for now about the culture problem legislatively, we can try to get the left defunded in universities.
  29. @Achmed E. Newman
    Thomm, I agree with almost everything Ann Coulter writes and says. I like your song though, and I do think that this type of thing explains why she mysteriously is still if favor of Affirmative Action. She's too skinny and tall for me anyway - not really my type.

    That said, yes, Ann Coulter as President would be Dyn-o-mite! She would get done all the things that President Trump does nothing but run his big mouth about. Day 1: work with State legislatures on a Constitutional Amendment that rescinds Amendment XIX.

    I like Ann Coulter, but for different reasons.

    Based on her actions, she is an entertaining center-moderate actress playing a role that pays. She is a never-married, childless NYC lawyer chick who has specifically dated black, Jewish, and South Asian men (and the Jewish man is a leftist). The only common pattern in her dating is that the men in question were famous before she was.

    She is the first official Conserva-Thot. She writes some conservative things that countless men have written before her, and needy, pedestalizing cucks/WNs make her rich and famous. No wonder a long line from Laura Ingraham to Lauren Southern to Tomi Lahren to Candace Owen have followed suit. Tradthots are not Trad, they are just centrists who know how to sucker needy bottom-tier men out of money. Hats off to their usage of free market principles to deploy their own personal tax on bottom-tier men.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @216

    Tradthots are not Trad, they are just centrists who know how to sucker needy bottom-tier men out of money.
     
    Amazing, you actually said something correct for once.
  30. @Thomm
    I am not sure. Black-white intermarriage is at an all-time high (albeit not a large portion of interracial marriage).

    Interestingly, contrary to the WN narrative, the number of famous white men who have married black women much less famous than them is pretty long :

    Roger Ebert
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Robert DeNiro
    Bill Burr
    George Lucas
    David Bowie
    Wolfgang Puck
    Boris Becker
    Bret 'the Hitman' Hart
    Cody Rhodes

    WNs would have one believe that this never happens, but while famous black men marry white women at a higher rate, the reverse (famous white men marrying black women) is not that much less frequent. Perhaps 2:1 or at the most 3:1 is the ratio of BM-WW vs. WM-BW is the man is famous.

    Lastly, don't forget Ann Coulter's activities, for which I wrote the famous song "Ann-O-Mite" :

    https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F20%2F2017%2F04%2Fann-coulter.jpg

    She Dy-no-mite, she Dy-no-mite!!
    When we boink, it outta sight!


    Cucks think she be on the right,
    Cuz of that, big checks they write!

    I is black, and she is white,
    One joins with the other like day and night!


    WN w**g*rs first quake with fright,
    But after a while, just burn with spite.

    Together, we set the stage alight!
    She Dy-no-mite, she Dy-no-mite!!


    ______________________________________

    Jimmy Walker can do much better than she-male Ann.

    “Black-white intermarriage is at an all-time high”

    Especially in TV commercials. I live in a very diverse California city. I’m not seeing your claim in reality. Personally, I don’t care. If you can find meaningful and lasting love with a woman of another ethnicity, kudos.

    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
    Yet strangely enough you seldom, if ever see the two most common pairings in TV commercials: WM/AF or WM/HF. If the media is to be believed, nearly all families consist of a light-skinned black man married to a blond woman. Although to be fair, here in Boise I've started to see commercials featuring a WM/BF combination.
    , @anon
    Especially in TV commercials.

    The polite term for those commercials is "aspirational". Like the infamous Gillette commercial a year ago, the vision is what young female underlings at ad agencies wish was true.

    The less polite term is "propaganda", on a Tiny Duck level. "This is your future, get used to it!".

    At some point when the official Narrative is widely diverging from the reality people see around them, it breaks down.
    , @iffen
    I don’t care. If you can find meaningful and lasting love with a woman of another ethnicity, kudos.

    Technically speaking, baby making does not equate across the board to meaningful and lasting love.

    I live in the Deep South and can anecdotally state that the brown baby demographic is way above the official statistics.

  31. @Truth
    The next major relationship trend you will see is an explosion of WM-BF couples in about 6 months. I probably see it around me 3x what I used to.

    And the funny thing is that there has been a long stereotype amongst BMs that BFs are sweeter, less argumentative, and more docile when they are with WMs... And that's exactly what I see. When I see these couples the BF always seems to be walking steps behind.

    “BFs are sweeter, less argumentative, and more docile when they are with WMs”

    White dudes have mucho mojo.

  32. It’s an election year and there will be plenty of stories to whip up anti-white passions and pump up non-white election turnout. This pattern will continue indefinitely.

  33. @SunBakedSuburb
    Jimmy Walker can do much better than she-male Ann.

    "Black-white intermarriage is at an all-time high"

    Especially in TV commercials. I live in a very diverse California city. I'm not seeing your claim in reality. Personally, I don't care. If you can find meaningful and lasting love with a woman of another ethnicity, kudos.

    Yet strangely enough you seldom, if ever see the two most common pairings in TV commercials: WM/AF or WM/HF. If the media is to be believed, nearly all families consist of a light-skinned black man married to a blond woman. Although to be fair, here in Boise I’ve started to see commercials featuring a WM/BF combination.

  34. anon[852] • Disclaimer says:
    @SunBakedSuburb
    Jimmy Walker can do much better than she-male Ann.

    "Black-white intermarriage is at an all-time high"

    Especially in TV commercials. I live in a very diverse California city. I'm not seeing your claim in reality. Personally, I don't care. If you can find meaningful and lasting love with a woman of another ethnicity, kudos.

    Especially in TV commercials.

    The polite term for those commercials is “aspirational”. Like the infamous Gillette commercial a year ago, the vision is what young female underlings at ad agencies wish was true.

    The less polite term is “propaganda”, on a Tiny Duck level. “This is your future, get used to it!”.

    At some point when the official Narrative is widely diverging from the reality people see around them, it breaks down.

  35. @SunBakedSuburb
    Jimmy Walker can do much better than she-male Ann.

    "Black-white intermarriage is at an all-time high"

    Especially in TV commercials. I live in a very diverse California city. I'm not seeing your claim in reality. Personally, I don't care. If you can find meaningful and lasting love with a woman of another ethnicity, kudos.

    I don’t care. If you can find meaningful and lasting love with a woman of another ethnicity, kudos.

    Technically speaking, baby making does not equate across the board to meaningful and lasting love.

    I live in the Deep South and can anecdotally state that the brown baby demographic is way above the official statistics.

  36. It’s quite remarkable that the 90% of “inter-racial killings”- those of whiles killed by blacks are never the cause of such “setbacks”.

  37. @Thomm
    I like Ann Coulter, but for different reasons.

    Based on her actions, she is an entertaining center-moderate actress playing a role that pays. She is a never-married, childless NYC lawyer chick who has specifically dated black, Jewish, and South Asian men (and the Jewish man is a leftist). The only common pattern in her dating is that the men in question were famous before she was.

    She is the first official Conserva-Thot. She writes some conservative things that countless men have written before her, and needy, pedestalizing cucks/WNs make her rich and famous. No wonder a long line from Laura Ingraham to Lauren Southern to Tomi Lahren to Candace Owen have followed suit. Tradthots are not Trad, they are just centrists who know how to sucker needy bottom-tier men out of money. Hats off to their usage of free market principles to deploy their own personal tax on bottom-tier men.

    Tradthots are not Trad, they are just centrists who know how to sucker needy bottom-tier men out of money.

    Amazing, you actually said something correct for once.

  38. 216 says:
    @Arclight
    It appears the racial rhetoric of the left is pretty effective at getting blacks to believe things are bad between them and whites and they believe this must also be the case between whites and Latinos although these two groups are less likely to think so. Obviously the various actors in progressive politics are aware of how susceptible blacks are to having their perceptions manipulated so we can look forward to a steady diet of 1619 Project type stuff for the foreseeable future.

    On the flipside, it doesn't seem to affect white/Latino relations much, so there is still a good chance IMO that however amenable Latinos seem towards blacks in terms of relations, they really don't want to live near them/have kids in school with them any more than most whites. If the right is smart, they will try to offer Latinos the same sort of living and school arrangements that most appeal to whites and the left's insistence that this be undone in the name of racial balancing will drive away more and more Latinos over time.

    There’s a big margin of difference between Spanish and English speaking households.

    The way for the Right to pick up more Hispanic votes is cutting immigration, and a simultaneous leftward shift on economics to accept labor unions as a counterbalance to transnational corporations.

    Hispanic “social conservatism” is a 1990s meme that strangely has been a zombie. The data shown here shows it to be a lie.

    While the Right can’t do much for now about the culture problem legislatively, we can try to get the left defunded in universities.

  39. @Anon

    I think it could still be true that blacks and Hispanic gangs fight over turfs and schools (in black-Hispanic areas) while the general public among them (who live as minorities in largely white areas) still harbors positive sentiments about each other.
     
    In CA I think things are simpler. And blacks and Hispanics live separately. Hispanics in CA auto-segregate.

    But take a place like Boston. Do the large number of Dominicans in Lynn, MA schools count as Hispanic or black? Do the children of Colombian or Chilean doctors and professors in Newton, MA schools count as Hispanic, white, or white-Hispanic? Do Brazilians count as Hispanic? Do black Brazilian kids in Framingham, MA schools count as black? What about the Italian-looking Brazilian kids?

    But racially speaking the only races that get along well are white and Asian.

    But racially speaking the only races that get along well are white and Asian.

    Socially speaking, yes.

    Politically speaking, no.

    Asians are now worse than Hispanics, a trend that many Boomercons are unaware of.

    • Replies: @Jmaie


    But racially speaking the only races that get along well are white and Asian.
     
    Socially speaking, yes.

    Politically speaking, no.

    Asians are now worse than Hispanics, a trend that many Boomercons are unaware of.
     
    This ^^^^

    Married for decades to an Asian gal, never heard a peep about anything racial until Trump was elected. Now she's full-on POC talking about "whiteness", "systemic racism" and such. I seem to have been given a pass, for now at least...
  40. @216

    But racially speaking the only races that get along well are white and Asian.

     

    Socially speaking, yes.

    Politically speaking, no.

    Asians are now worse than Hispanics, a trend that many Boomercons are unaware of.

    But racially speaking the only races that get along well are white and Asian.

    Socially speaking, yes.

    Politically speaking, no.

    Asians are now worse than Hispanics, a trend that many Boomercons are unaware of.

    This ^^^^

    Married for decades to an Asian gal, never heard a peep about anything racial until Trump was elected. Now she’s full-on POC talking about “whiteness”, “systemic racism” and such. I seem to have been given a pass, for now at least…

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Second generation Americanized Asian, or Asian Asian?

    Because the latter tend to be far more interested in racial rivalries and prejudices against other groups of Asians (Koreans and Chinese against Japanese, Malays and Vietnamese against Chinese, Filipinos against expat Koreans/Japanese and vice versa) than having anything against white people, in my experience. Of course, Asian in this context refers to tons of different people who don't necessarily have that much in common, sometimes are wholly different racial constructs, blah blah blah...

    , @216
    Forgive me if the answer is priviledged;

    Was this influenced by peers, or by university indoctrinated children?

    Was she previously a run-of-the-mill moderate Dem?
  41. @ThreeCranes
    Gosh, Stan. You’re one clever fellow. Throw a little pixie dust in our faces. Did my observation about Hollywood strike a little too close to home? And what have you got against Southerners? Really? (Bear in mind, when you answer that the root of “really” is “real” as in, “You really are a real disgusting, contemptible human being.”)

    The things you miss because HTML lacks a <sarcasm> tag.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Something went right over my head. Poetry was never my strong suit.
  42. @AP
    Has anyone noticed the glaring disparity between what Blacks think of White-Hispanic relations and what both Hispanics and Whites think of such relations?

    Has anyone noticed the glaring disparity between what Blacks think of White-Hispanic relations and what both Hispanics and Whites think of such relations?

    Blacks figure: “if white people don’t like us, they must hate everybody.”

    In LA there are very few whites in the blue collar workforce (aside from construction). It’s overwhelmingly Hispanic, and they don’t think much of the occasional black guy who shows up in their midst. The main knock is that blacks are bone-lazy compared to Hispanics. It’s not like hatred or anything, but since immigrant Hispanics aren’t politically correct they will laugh at their black coworkers, both to their face and behind their backs.

    The blacks do not appreciate it. But since they are so totally outnumbered they can’t do much about it. There is no politically correct HR lady to bitch to, just the Hispanic foreman who doesn’t care if they quit their $15 an hour job.

  43. @ThreeCranes
    Um, yeah. Right.

    So we should impose Jewish Hollywood’s ignorant, bigoted stereotype of what they imagine a Southern male to look and behave like as a template for understanding this encounter?

    As I’ve said before, most northerner’s opinions about the South are the product of two movies: Easy Rider and Deliverance.

    Hey all you people who innocently want to canoe the rivers of the South! Don’t do it because you will get butt fucked by hillbillies. Cause, you know, that’s all that hillbillies really fantasize about, sticking their schlongs up your ass.

    As always, Hollywood’s obsessions speak more about the inner landscape of their own minds than they do of those they portray.

    Speaking of Arbery; some photos showed black males well armed with assault rifles parading down a street somewhere in Georgia in protest. What if the situation were reversed and a white guy were to run out onto the street and attempt to wrestle a rifle away from one of these righteous warriors? What would we expect the black guy to do? What would we accept as his rightful response? Let him take it away? And so on. I think you get the picture.

    Funny, I moved to the South from the North ten years ago; I canoe rivers, hike trails etc. and haven’t been butt fucked yet. Guess I’m an exception.

    I would bet everything I own that rooting other men up the butt is far more common in Hollywood than it is in the rural South. (And I’d win that bet.)

    haven’t been butt fucked yet

    That’s coz you ain’t pretty, like that black guy inna picshure. How can any hillbilly resist such a pretty young man?
    I know nuffin’ ’bout this case, don’t really care, just had to tell you how friggin ugly you are, no hillbilly wants you! Maybe putton sum offat blackface? brabantian and 3Cranes will help you with your makeup, them loves the butts.

  44. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Blacks believe everything the media says.

    The media says that race relations are at their worst ever right now, because Drympf is riling up the evil white racists. So that's what blacks believe.

    I've noticed it's the blacks who have a worse and worse attitude. They seem to be staring me down for no reason these days.

    There's no reason for whites and blacks to live together. Bring back freedom of association and let us be free of them.

    You afraid of the bad black man? Maybe grow some balls?

    • Replies: @Ace
    Yeah. That's it.
  45. @Achmed E. Newman
    What people say in this poll and what is really going on are two different things. White/Hispanic relations are not really bad at all, in my opinion. The only issue "between them" is the immigration invasion, and the few agitator La Raza types notwithstanding, there are loads of Hispanics on the same side of Whites on this issues. (Most of Blacks just blindly vote D and don't bother to think of how much this immigration invasion has screwed their people.)

    I am glad to NOT have much personal experience in this, but from what I read of Steve Sailer and others, Black and Hispanics don't get along very well at all, as groups.

    Yes, of course, most White Americans don't want the country turning Hispanic, don't want to have to speak (and hear all the time) Spanish, and don't want many of those kids in their kids' schools. The latter is simply because they aren't the good students, but there's really no hatred involved as there is for the black disfunction and violence.

    Yes, of course, most White Americans don’t want the country turning Hispanic, don’t want to have to speak (and hear all the time) Spanish, and don’t want many of those kids in their kids’ schools. The latter is simply because they aren’t the good students, but there’s really no hatred involved as there is for the black disfunction and violence.

    Your commentary on White-Hispanic relations is pretty spot on. It’s worth adding, though, that the latter group’s penchant for leftism is partially to blame for white America’s ambivalence towards fully accepting them into the fold. However, we need to dispense with the PC notion that hatred towards blacks is “really” about disfunction and violence, when it’s plainly rooted in a knee-jerk repulsion to African physical features. Other justifications fail to hold water given that Latin America and the Middle East are far more violent than Sub-Saharan Africa, yet people from those regions are generally well liked. Can’t say the same about blacks, who are hated everywhere.

  46. @Jmaie


    But racially speaking the only races that get along well are white and Asian.
     
    Socially speaking, yes.

    Politically speaking, no.

    Asians are now worse than Hispanics, a trend that many Boomercons are unaware of.
     
    This ^^^^

    Married for decades to an Asian gal, never heard a peep about anything racial until Trump was elected. Now she's full-on POC talking about "whiteness", "systemic racism" and such. I seem to have been given a pass, for now at least...

    Second generation Americanized Asian, or Asian Asian?

    Because the latter tend to be far more interested in racial rivalries and prejudices against other groups of Asians (Koreans and Chinese against Japanese, Malays and Vietnamese against Chinese, Filipinos against expat Koreans/Japanese and vice versa) than having anything against white people, in my experience. Of course, Asian in this context refers to tons of different people who don’t necessarily have that much in common, sometimes are wholly different racial constructs, blah blah blah…

  47. @Jmaie


    But racially speaking the only races that get along well are white and Asian.
     
    Socially speaking, yes.

    Politically speaking, no.

    Asians are now worse than Hispanics, a trend that many Boomercons are unaware of.
     
    This ^^^^

    Married for decades to an Asian gal, never heard a peep about anything racial until Trump was elected. Now she's full-on POC talking about "whiteness", "systemic racism" and such. I seem to have been given a pass, for now at least...

    Forgive me if the answer is priviledged;

    Was this influenced by peers, or by university indoctrinated children?

    Was she previously a run-of-the-mill moderate Dem?

  48. @Mr. Rational
    The things you miss because HTML lacks a <sarcasm> tag.

    Something went right over my head. Poetry was never my strong suit.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Go back to this comment and re-read the thread.  Maybe you'll get the sarcasm this time.  It's a good laugh when you do.
  49. @ThreeCranes
    Something went right over my head. Poetry was never my strong suit.

    Go back to this comment and re-read the thread.  Maybe you’ll get the sarcasm this time.  It’s a good laugh when you do.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Stan d Mute says I want to be butt fucked and may well yet if I continue to paddle the South’s rivers.*

    But I was talking about slander of all Southerners, particularly rural men, by Hollywood. Stan is going off track, engaging in an ad hominem and perpetuating the slander of good people. Why would someone do that?

    What have I missed?

    *All I’ve encountered on the rivers are men and women fishing in flat and Jon boats, couples kayaking and canoeing and a family, including little kids, guarding Dad from alligators while he was diving for prehistoric shark teeth on the “wild and scenic Myaka”. Not a buttfucker in sight, but I’ve only been out there fifty times or so, so I’ll keep my eyes peeled and report back when I see something that reminds me of Deliverance.

    Whenever Hollywood wants to convey backwardness, they have the actor adopt a southern accent. Makes a person wonder how the students and profs living around e.g. Raleigh/Durham have managed to fool the world into thinking that they have something to contribute intellectually.
  50. @Mr. Rational
    Go back to this comment and re-read the thread.  Maybe you'll get the sarcasm this time.  It's a good laugh when you do.

    Stan d Mute says I want to be butt fucked and may well yet if I continue to paddle the South’s rivers.*

    But I was talking about slander of all Southerners, particularly rural men, by Hollywood. Stan is going off track, engaging in an ad hominem and perpetuating the slander of good people. Why would someone do that?

    What have I missed?

    *All I’ve encountered on the rivers are men and women fishing in flat and Jon boats, couples kayaking and canoeing and a family, including little kids, guarding Dad from alligators while he was diving for prehistoric shark teeth on the “wild and scenic Myaka”. Not a buttfucker in sight, but I’ve only been out there fifty times or so, so I’ll keep my eyes peeled and report back when I see something that reminds me of Deliverance.

    Whenever Hollywood wants to convey backwardness, they have the actor adopt a southern accent. Makes a person wonder how the students and profs living around e.g. Raleigh/Durham have managed to fool the world into thinking that they have something to contribute intellectually.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Whenever Hollywood wants to convey backwardness, they have the actor adopt a southern accent.

    Well, we could just make our own movies.

    We could do that, right?
    , @Mr. Rational

    Stan d Mute says I want to be butt fucked and may well yet if I continue to paddle the South’s rivers.
     
    That was the joke.

    I’ll keep my eyes peeled and report back when I see something that reminds me of Deliverance.
     
    Outside of a few lefty loons in places like ivory towers, we all know those things don't exist.  That's why it's a joke.
  51. @ThreeCranes
    Stan d Mute says I want to be butt fucked and may well yet if I continue to paddle the South’s rivers.*

    But I was talking about slander of all Southerners, particularly rural men, by Hollywood. Stan is going off track, engaging in an ad hominem and perpetuating the slander of good people. Why would someone do that?

    What have I missed?

    *All I’ve encountered on the rivers are men and women fishing in flat and Jon boats, couples kayaking and canoeing and a family, including little kids, guarding Dad from alligators while he was diving for prehistoric shark teeth on the “wild and scenic Myaka”. Not a buttfucker in sight, but I’ve only been out there fifty times or so, so I’ll keep my eyes peeled and report back when I see something that reminds me of Deliverance.

    Whenever Hollywood wants to convey backwardness, they have the actor adopt a southern accent. Makes a person wonder how the students and profs living around e.g. Raleigh/Durham have managed to fool the world into thinking that they have something to contribute intellectually.

    Whenever Hollywood wants to convey backwardness, they have the actor adopt a southern accent.

    Well, we could just make our own movies.

    We could do that, right?

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Or we can, as I do, simply boycott Hollywood altogether. The other day I had a sobering realization, one that should give cause to pause to every thinking person in America. And it was this; what we see coming out of Hollywood is the best that Jews can do. It’s the very best they’re capable of.

    We’re told that Hollywood just produces the entertainment equivalent of junk food because that’s what the public buys. If only that were true. Alas, the truth is more sobering. What Jewish Hollywood makes truly expresses the highest aspirations and abilities of the people involved in its production.

    It’s considered embarrassing to be a garbage collector, though a few great authors have done just that at low points in their lives, but to be a garbage producer, to make a career of creating trash, well, such a person is not merely an embarrassment, they are an untouchable.

  52. @iffen
    Whenever Hollywood wants to convey backwardness, they have the actor adopt a southern accent.

    Well, we could just make our own movies.

    We could do that, right?

    Or we can, as I do, simply boycott Hollywood altogether. The other day I had a sobering realization, one that should give cause to pause to every thinking person in America. And it was this; what we see coming out of Hollywood is the best that Jews can do. It’s the very best they’re capable of.

    We’re told that Hollywood just produces the entertainment equivalent of junk food because that’s what the public buys. If only that were true. Alas, the truth is more sobering. What Jewish Hollywood makes truly expresses the highest aspirations and abilities of the people involved in its production.

    It’s considered embarrassing to be a garbage collector, though a few great authors have done just that at low points in their lives, but to be a garbage producer, to make a career of creating trash, well, such a person is not merely an embarrassment, they are an untouchable.

    • Replies: @iffen
    I don't believe that the pervasive Jewish influence in Hollywood is "the problem." The continual move toward more control by the bottom line has expanded its grip and is suffocating "the artists." Quality movies have a difficult time earning their keep these days, just like quality journalism, and the result is we are getting less of both.
    , @Mr. Rational

    What Jewish Hollywood makes truly expresses the highest aspirations and abilities of the people involved in its production.
     
    And morals.  There's a reason they're promoting LGBT and sex with children.  I increasingly see the place dubbed Pedowood.

    I'm with you:  burn it all down.
  53. @Twinkie
    The source data seems to suggest that white-Asian tensions are the least problematic as seen by both whites and blacks.

    Since Asians weren’t polled separately, I didn’t include them, but that appears to be the case.

    • Replies: @Slimer
    Yeah. Hardly anyone would describe race relations between whites and Asians as somewhat/very bad.

    Blacks describe white-Hispanic relations as such because Hispanics as a whole are not respected, not because blacks believe Hispanics are treated as poorly as themselves as some folks have

  54. @ThreeCranes
    Or we can, as I do, simply boycott Hollywood altogether. The other day I had a sobering realization, one that should give cause to pause to every thinking person in America. And it was this; what we see coming out of Hollywood is the best that Jews can do. It’s the very best they’re capable of.

    We’re told that Hollywood just produces the entertainment equivalent of junk food because that’s what the public buys. If only that were true. Alas, the truth is more sobering. What Jewish Hollywood makes truly expresses the highest aspirations and abilities of the people involved in its production.

    It’s considered embarrassing to be a garbage collector, though a few great authors have done just that at low points in their lives, but to be a garbage producer, to make a career of creating trash, well, such a person is not merely an embarrassment, they are an untouchable.

    I don’t believe that the pervasive Jewish influence in Hollywood is “the problem.” The continual move toward more control by the bottom line has expanded its grip and is suffocating “the artists.” Quality movies have a difficult time earning their keep these days, just like quality journalism, and the result is we are getting less of both.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    Evelyn Waugh wrote an article in 1947 titled "Why Hollywood is a Term of Disparagement" which expressed the sentiments of many at that time.

    It's possible now to make films on a budget of pennies (well, not literally pennies) which are technically superior to many older productions made on a budget of millions (things like realistic crowd scenes would still be difficult, of course). Why don't we see more of these, compared to the many downscale acting theatres in any major city?

    Your high school probably puts on a passable play or two each year-- it could just as easily do a passable "student film". Maybe it does, but what happens? Nobody sees it except about a quarter of the student body.
  55. @ThreeCranes
    Stan d Mute says I want to be butt fucked and may well yet if I continue to paddle the South’s rivers.*

    But I was talking about slander of all Southerners, particularly rural men, by Hollywood. Stan is going off track, engaging in an ad hominem and perpetuating the slander of good people. Why would someone do that?

    What have I missed?

    *All I’ve encountered on the rivers are men and women fishing in flat and Jon boats, couples kayaking and canoeing and a family, including little kids, guarding Dad from alligators while he was diving for prehistoric shark teeth on the “wild and scenic Myaka”. Not a buttfucker in sight, but I’ve only been out there fifty times or so, so I’ll keep my eyes peeled and report back when I see something that reminds me of Deliverance.

    Whenever Hollywood wants to convey backwardness, they have the actor adopt a southern accent. Makes a person wonder how the students and profs living around e.g. Raleigh/Durham have managed to fool the world into thinking that they have something to contribute intellectually.

    Stan d Mute says I want to be butt fucked and may well yet if I continue to paddle the South’s rivers.

    That was the joke.

    I’ll keep my eyes peeled and report back when I see something that reminds me of Deliverance.

    Outside of a few lefty loons in places like ivory towers, we all know those things don’t exist.  That’s why it’s a joke.

  56. @ThreeCranes
    Or we can, as I do, simply boycott Hollywood altogether. The other day I had a sobering realization, one that should give cause to pause to every thinking person in America. And it was this; what we see coming out of Hollywood is the best that Jews can do. It’s the very best they’re capable of.

    We’re told that Hollywood just produces the entertainment equivalent of junk food because that’s what the public buys. If only that were true. Alas, the truth is more sobering. What Jewish Hollywood makes truly expresses the highest aspirations and abilities of the people involved in its production.

    It’s considered embarrassing to be a garbage collector, though a few great authors have done just that at low points in their lives, but to be a garbage producer, to make a career of creating trash, well, such a person is not merely an embarrassment, they are an untouchable.

    What Jewish Hollywood makes truly expresses the highest aspirations and abilities of the people involved in its production.

    And morals.  There’s a reason they’re promoting LGBT and sex with children.  I increasingly see the place dubbed Pedowood.

    I’m with you:  burn it all down.

  57. RSDB says:
    @iffen
    I don't believe that the pervasive Jewish influence in Hollywood is "the problem." The continual move toward more control by the bottom line has expanded its grip and is suffocating "the artists." Quality movies have a difficult time earning their keep these days, just like quality journalism, and the result is we are getting less of both.

    Evelyn Waugh wrote an article in 1947 titled “Why Hollywood is a Term of Disparagement” which expressed the sentiments of many at that time.

    It’s possible now to make films on a budget of pennies (well, not literally pennies) which are technically superior to many older productions made on a budget of millions (things like realistic crowd scenes would still be difficult, of course). Why don’t we see more of these, compared to the many downscale acting theatres in any major city?

    Your high school probably puts on a passable play or two each year– it could just as easily do a passable “student film”. Maybe it does, but what happens? Nobody sees it except about a quarter of the student body.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Why don’t we see more of these

    I don't know. Reliable film critics should be a conduit to good films, but I have yet to find one that is reliable and in line with my desires and expectations. The fact is that the type films that appeal to me are no longer popular culture items. I can see this with other consumables. We boomers had it all and we are now fading and they don't cater to us anymore, films, clothing, popular music, autos, or etc., etc.
    , @A123

    It’s possible now to make films on a budget of pennies (well, not literally pennies) which are technically superior to many older productions made on a budget of millions (things like realistic crowd scenes would still be difficult, of course). Why don’t we see more of these, compared to the many downscale acting theatres in any major city?
     
    Even though digital cameras make picture quality respectable, there are still issues with writing, acting, directing, editing, sets, props, costumes, etc. Many things have to function in harmony to generate a high quality final product.

    Non-studio film making does happen. In places where there is an "art film" scene, there are theaters that run them. However, most of these works are short films with no promotional budget. Creating an anthology of short films is unlikely to be profitable.

    The biggest threat is the quality of home systems. Why go to a theatre when you can get 95% of the experience without the inconvenience? Sites like vimeo.com exist as a platform for more serious producers of short films.

    Karlin mentioned his favorite, ASTARTES in this thread:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/astartes/

    Another highly popular example of independent film making is JOURNEY QUEST, which can be found here:

    https://m.youtube.com/user/zombieorpheusen

    https://www.youtube.com/watchv=pvorgr2fdk8

    PEACE 😷

  58. @RSDB
    Evelyn Waugh wrote an article in 1947 titled "Why Hollywood is a Term of Disparagement" which expressed the sentiments of many at that time.

    It's possible now to make films on a budget of pennies (well, not literally pennies) which are technically superior to many older productions made on a budget of millions (things like realistic crowd scenes would still be difficult, of course). Why don't we see more of these, compared to the many downscale acting theatres in any major city?

    Your high school probably puts on a passable play or two each year-- it could just as easily do a passable "student film". Maybe it does, but what happens? Nobody sees it except about a quarter of the student body.

    Why don’t we see more of these

    I don’t know. Reliable film critics should be a conduit to good films, but I have yet to find one that is reliable and in line with my desires and expectations. The fact is that the type films that appeal to me are no longer popular culture items. I can see this with other consumables. We boomers had it all and we are now fading and they don’t cater to us anymore, films, clothing, popular music, autos, or etc., etc.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    That's an interesting take.

    I'm not a boomer and I still find much not to my taste in "popular culture". To be fair, had I been alive in 1970-something I probably would have said the same thing.

    I wonder, though, do the kind of stories that interest you still feature the challenges of young life (if you liked those sorts of things to begin with) or have your tastes also changed as you grew older?

    Film critics are weird people, generally speaking. But, again, you have highlighted here one of the same issues A123 mentioned; the distribution network, or how people connect with the sort of "culture item" which suits them.

    However, the kinds of films/visual media mentioned (generally short films) do exist. Generally this is because they can reach some sort of selective audience which is interested in them. A123 has given examples of some targeted at particular subcultural groups; you can also find ones which are aimed at a particular regional audience*.

    *For example, a recent Sinhalese short by a well-known director:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJK-hL9A8VA


    Like real theatre productions, these sorts of production are skewed towards the sort of people who have an interest in producing media; art types, SF-fen types, etc. What they will hopefully evolve towards is roughly what novels or plays were in the early 20th century (or are now, minus the enormous cultural dominance of other forms of media).

    I think I lost track of what I was saying, which is why it's a good idea not to write UR comments at midnight.

  59. @Audacious Epigone
    Since Asians weren't polled separately, I didn't include them, but that appears to be the case.

    Yeah. Hardly anyone would describe race relations between whites and Asians as somewhat/very bad.

    Blacks describe white-Hispanic relations as such because Hispanics as a whole are not respected, not because blacks believe Hispanics are treated as poorly as themselves as some folks have

  60. @RSDB
    Evelyn Waugh wrote an article in 1947 titled "Why Hollywood is a Term of Disparagement" which expressed the sentiments of many at that time.

    It's possible now to make films on a budget of pennies (well, not literally pennies) which are technically superior to many older productions made on a budget of millions (things like realistic crowd scenes would still be difficult, of course). Why don't we see more of these, compared to the many downscale acting theatres in any major city?

    Your high school probably puts on a passable play or two each year-- it could just as easily do a passable "student film". Maybe it does, but what happens? Nobody sees it except about a quarter of the student body.

    It’s possible now to make films on a budget of pennies (well, not literally pennies) which are technically superior to many older productions made on a budget of millions (things like realistic crowd scenes would still be difficult, of course). Why don’t we see more of these, compared to the many downscale acting theatres in any major city?

    Even though digital cameras make picture quality respectable, there are still issues with writing, acting, directing, editing, sets, props, costumes, etc. Many things have to function in harmony to generate a high quality final product.

    Non-studio film making does happen. In places where there is an “art film” scene, there are theaters that run them. However, most of these works are short films with no promotional budget. Creating an anthology of short films is unlikely to be profitable.

    The biggest threat is the quality of home systems. Why go to a theatre when you can get 95% of the experience without the inconvenience? Sites like vimeo.com exist as a platform for more serious producers of short films.

    Karlin mentioned his favorite, ASTARTES in this thread:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/astartes/

    Another highly popular example of independent film making is JOURNEY QUEST, which can be found here:

    https://www.youtube.com/user/zombieorpheusen

    https://www.youtube.com/watchv=pvorgr2fdk8

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @A123
    The link failed in my prior message and editing time ran out.

    Attempt #2 -- JOURNEY QUEST

    https://youtu.be/pVORGr2fDk8
    , @RSDB

    The biggest threat is the quality of home systems.
     
    This isn't a threat, it's what makes (relatively) inexpensive filmmaking and distribution possible, as the rest of your comment tends to illustrate.

    Particularly speaking, I think you have put your finger on one of the major issues here: no promotional budget. It seems to be the system of marketing and distribution that favors consolidation. As I said, a high school club can create a passable film, but not sell one. We'll see how that tends to change as time goes on.
  61. @A123

    It’s possible now to make films on a budget of pennies (well, not literally pennies) which are technically superior to many older productions made on a budget of millions (things like realistic crowd scenes would still be difficult, of course). Why don’t we see more of these, compared to the many downscale acting theatres in any major city?
     
    Even though digital cameras make picture quality respectable, there are still issues with writing, acting, directing, editing, sets, props, costumes, etc. Many things have to function in harmony to generate a high quality final product.

    Non-studio film making does happen. In places where there is an "art film" scene, there are theaters that run them. However, most of these works are short films with no promotional budget. Creating an anthology of short films is unlikely to be profitable.

    The biggest threat is the quality of home systems. Why go to a theatre when you can get 95% of the experience without the inconvenience? Sites like vimeo.com exist as a platform for more serious producers of short films.

    Karlin mentioned his favorite, ASTARTES in this thread:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/astartes/

    Another highly popular example of independent film making is JOURNEY QUEST, which can be found here:

    https://m.youtube.com/user/zombieorpheusen

    https://www.youtube.com/watchv=pvorgr2fdk8

    PEACE 😷

    The link failed in my prior message and editing time ran out.

    Attempt #2 — JOURNEY QUEST

  62. @paranoid goy
    You afraid of the bad black man? Maybe grow some balls?

    Yeah. That’s it.

  63. RSDB says:
    @A123

    It’s possible now to make films on a budget of pennies (well, not literally pennies) which are technically superior to many older productions made on a budget of millions (things like realistic crowd scenes would still be difficult, of course). Why don’t we see more of these, compared to the many downscale acting theatres in any major city?
     
    Even though digital cameras make picture quality respectable, there are still issues with writing, acting, directing, editing, sets, props, costumes, etc. Many things have to function in harmony to generate a high quality final product.

    Non-studio film making does happen. In places where there is an "art film" scene, there are theaters that run them. However, most of these works are short films with no promotional budget. Creating an anthology of short films is unlikely to be profitable.

    The biggest threat is the quality of home systems. Why go to a theatre when you can get 95% of the experience without the inconvenience? Sites like vimeo.com exist as a platform for more serious producers of short films.

    Karlin mentioned his favorite, ASTARTES in this thread:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/astartes/

    Another highly popular example of independent film making is JOURNEY QUEST, which can be found here:

    https://m.youtube.com/user/zombieorpheusen

    https://www.youtube.com/watchv=pvorgr2fdk8

    PEACE 😷

    The biggest threat is the quality of home systems.

    This isn’t a threat, it’s what makes (relatively) inexpensive filmmaking and distribution possible, as the rest of your comment tends to illustrate.

    Particularly speaking, I think you have put your finger on one of the major issues here: no promotional budget. It seems to be the system of marketing and distribution that favors consolidation. As I said, a high school club can create a passable film, but not sell one. We’ll see how that tends to change as time goes on.

  64. RSDB says:
    @iffen
    Why don’t we see more of these

    I don't know. Reliable film critics should be a conduit to good films, but I have yet to find one that is reliable and in line with my desires and expectations. The fact is that the type films that appeal to me are no longer popular culture items. I can see this with other consumables. We boomers had it all and we are now fading and they don't cater to us anymore, films, clothing, popular music, autos, or etc., etc.

    That’s an interesting take.

    I’m not a boomer and I still find much not to my taste in “popular culture”. To be fair, had I been alive in 1970-something I probably would have said the same thing.

    I wonder, though, do the kind of stories that interest you still feature the challenges of young life (if you liked those sorts of things to begin with) or have your tastes also changed as you grew older?

    Film critics are weird people, generally speaking. But, again, you have highlighted here one of the same issues A123 mentioned; the distribution network, or how people connect with the sort of “culture item” which suits them.

    However, the kinds of films/visual media mentioned (generally short films) do exist. Generally this is because they can reach some sort of selective audience which is interested in them. A123 has given examples of some targeted at particular subcultural groups; you can also find ones which are aimed at a particular regional audience*.

    [MORE]

    *For example, a recent Sinhalese short by a well-known director:

    Like real theatre productions, these sorts of production are skewed towards the sort of people who have an interest in producing media; art types, SF-fen types, etc. What they will hopefully evolve towards is roughly what novels or plays were in the early 20th century (or are now, minus the enormous cultural dominance of other forms of media).

    I think I lost track of what I was saying, which is why it’s a good idea not to write UR comments at midnight.

    • Replies: @iffen
    have your tastes also changed as you grew older?

    God, I hope so.

    I remember going to see The Graduate at its premiere. I "knew" that I would like the film just based upon the buzz. I have watched it a couple of times over the last forty years and it is still an enjoyable film, but I will likely never watch it again, even if the corona doesn't take me out in the next year or so. On the other hand, I have watched Dr. Zhivago several times over the years and at some point I will again watch and enjoy it.
  65. @RSDB
    That's an interesting take.

    I'm not a boomer and I still find much not to my taste in "popular culture". To be fair, had I been alive in 1970-something I probably would have said the same thing.

    I wonder, though, do the kind of stories that interest you still feature the challenges of young life (if you liked those sorts of things to begin with) or have your tastes also changed as you grew older?

    Film critics are weird people, generally speaking. But, again, you have highlighted here one of the same issues A123 mentioned; the distribution network, or how people connect with the sort of "culture item" which suits them.

    However, the kinds of films/visual media mentioned (generally short films) do exist. Generally this is because they can reach some sort of selective audience which is interested in them. A123 has given examples of some targeted at particular subcultural groups; you can also find ones which are aimed at a particular regional audience*.

    *For example, a recent Sinhalese short by a well-known director:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJK-hL9A8VA


    Like real theatre productions, these sorts of production are skewed towards the sort of people who have an interest in producing media; art types, SF-fen types, etc. What they will hopefully evolve towards is roughly what novels or plays were in the early 20th century (or are now, minus the enormous cultural dominance of other forms of media).

    I think I lost track of what I was saying, which is why it's a good idea not to write UR comments at midnight.

    have your tastes also changed as you grew older?

    God, I hope so.

    I remember going to see The Graduate at its premiere. I “knew” that I would like the film just based upon the buzz. I have watched it a couple of times over the last forty years and it is still an enjoyable film, but I will likely never watch it again, even if the corona doesn’t take me out in the next year or so. On the other hand, I have watched Dr. Zhivago several times over the years and at some point I will again watch and enjoy it.

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