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Kamala Harris is the people’s choice:

Her advantage over Elizabeth Warren runs the demographic gamut. The only exception is among voters under thirty years of age, a notoriously unreliable cohort. Harris even beats Warren among Democrat primary voters who self-describe as politically liberal. Harris has a huge advantage over Warren among Hispanics (37% to 16%), a group Biden needs to shore up support with more than any other.

The neo-liberal establishment, including Silicon Valley, is more comfortable with Harris than with Warren. That Harris now enjoys more popular support than the Massachusetts’ senator, coupled with fate conspiring against Klobuchar, Abrams at this point deemed a bridge too far to be one stroke away from the presidency, and Gretchen Whitmer–who struck us as unimpressive when we handicapped Harris as the most likely VP pick months ago–a total non-starter, suggests a forthcoming Biden/Harris ticket.

“Kamala Harris will be the Democrat presidential nominee” we said for years to an understandable mix of incredulity and derision. When she dropped out of the nomination process before the first state contest commenced, our outrageous audacity atrophied.

But it increasingly looks like we were merely premature in our prescience. Let us then revise that divination. Kamala Harris will be the Democrat presidential nominee in 2024. Speaking of, kindly be reminded of the following prognostications: The destruction of the dollar, the unraveling of the international credit system, and the political dissolution of these disUnited States–because they’re all coming, too, and in that order.

 
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  1. Escher says:

    Nothing that a bottle of Zoloft cannot fix.
    Don’t worry, be happy.

  2. I’m fine with Kamala. She’s just another cafe au lait grifter, a la Obama. When they turn off the Biden hologram she’ll take orders as required. The white LARPers and black looters will go home until their 2024 assignments are dispatched.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    , @TG
  3. How many years till the dollars world reserve currency status collapses? <15 years????????

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  4. Talha says:

    Did…uh…Bernie die from Covid or something?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  5. truthman says:

    AE, I think you are maybe too optimistic about the coming dissolution of the US. Would a Harris presidency be that much different than an Obama presidency? Under Obama was their anything even close to the emergence of a political secession movement? I see just further Brazilification of the US whether its under Harris or Trump or anyone else, just with more acceleration of immigration under a Dem president.

  6. Twinkie says:

    But it increasingly looks like we were merely premature in our prescience.

    What’s with the royal “we”?

    The destruction of the dollar, the unraveling of the international credit system, and the political dissolution of these disUnited States–because they’re all coming, too, and in that order.

    When? In five years or in five hundred?

  7. Everyone knows Piglosi is getting uglier by the day
    They all are.This is simply
    the next gen of progress.Conditioned,engineered high heeled tits.
    The weapon of choice for absolute destruction.
    Our Founding Fathers
    warned us.Here it comes…

    Peace,Love Life

  8. El Dato says:
    @truthman

    Would a Harris presidency be that much different than an Obama presidency?

    I guess camp concentration will be much improved.

  9. Dumbo says:

    Since Biden will likely die or go fully senile during his first term, she would be the next president. But it’s not as big a disaster as it seems. U.S. Presidents are just puppets, the real rulers are elsewhere. So she’ll just perform her theatrical role and the real powers will proceed their usual way.

    I do agree with the poster above that the most likely result is not a sudden chaos, but just a slow Brazilification/Mexicanization of the US, which will last for maybe a 100 years until it’s not very different from the rest of Latin America, and then its worldwide influence will be much reduced.

    Unless some kind of secession or civil war happens, but I don’t think it will. Civil war is more a possibility in Europe, however.

  10. Nodwink says:

    I find Harris herself one of the more bearable Establishment Dems, but her online fans (the “K Hive” on Twitter) are complete nutcases, some of the most unhinged and spiteful people I’ve encountered on the internet. These people would be unbearable if she was a Gropey aneurysm away from the top job.

  11. @Charles St. Charles

    This is why it seems highly likely she will be the nominee–the power centers are all comfortable with her, confident that she will play by their rules. If she is also the preferred choice of the electorate, why doesn’t she get picked?

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Drahthaar
  12. @Dumbo

    I agree with the first two paragraphs.

    But as for Euro civil war, how? Disarmed, cucked, geriatric whites will suddenly cleanse the banlieues? I just don’t see it. At most I can see a version of what is happening here: suddenly cognizant whites flee to the burbs-beyond-the-buses, while the cities sink into swarthy debasement.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  13. @Ad70titusrevenge

    It’ll be a steady draw down rather than an outright collapse. It’s already happening. Expect that process to accelerate.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  14. @Talha

    He gave Hillary a harder run for her money than he gave Biden, who was able to easily beat him once it was one on one. Sanders’ influence in 2016 gave us… Tim Kaine! If his influence was that weak in 2016, when he was a legitimate challenger, what does that influence look like in 2020?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @res
  15. @truthman

    There was more ruin left in the nation in 2008 (and in 2016) than there will be by the middle of this decade. There is no precedent for coming out of the current economic situation this country is in.

  16. @Twinkie

    By the end of the third decade, so ten years.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Twinkie
  17. @Dumbo

    The difference between the US and the rest of the American continent is that our monetary standard of living is going to be jolted downward more violently than anywhere else is.

  18. Arclight says:

    When I read The Mandibles a few years ago I found it horrifying but unlikely. Now I feel like Lionel Shriver was a prophet.

    Anyway, if Biden has to pick a black female I thought the mayor of Atlanta looked pretty good, but I guess she doesn’t have the national network of Harris set up.

  19. @Dumbo

    Remember that Brazil along with Mexico were inhabited by a very different type of white person from America, southern European whites have always been less race conscious than northern European whites due to centuries, perhaps even millennia of breeding with Arabs and Berbers who were never particularly exotic to those countries. America will see white people remain a solid majority in most of the rural south and Midwest, the future of the coasts remains less certain but i cannot see most white liberals enthusiastically mating with Latin American Indians so continued segregation i think will remain. What i think will happen will be the death of white working class culture in all the major cities but i think it pretty much died out at least 20 years ago.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Curmudgeon
  20. Talha says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I was just expecting his name to have at least made a showing in that list, no?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    , @RSDB
  21. @Talha

    He gets lumped in among the 5% for “someone else”, I guess. Wokeness wins.

    • Thanks: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  22. Talha says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    How the mighty have fallen. Really too bad…this will never become a reality:

    Peace.

  23. Dumbo says:
    @Oliver Elkington

    but i cannot see most white liberals enthusiastically mating with Latin American Indians so continued segregation i think will remain.

    Maybe, but with white low fertility and high Mexican/non-white immigration continuing at this rate, then the available pool for white couples shrinks and some will have no option, and also the total percentage of whites in the population further goes down, I mean there are still pure or almost pure whites in some regions in Brazil, but they are a minority.

    But yes, it’s a different process than what happened in South America, where the Spanish and Portuguese where from the start a small minority compared to the Indians, and then they brought even more Africans, so I guess we’ll see what happens up North, maybe there’s hope yet.

  24. I’m appalled by your predictions but unfortunately must admit that I agree with them. The poster arclight mentions the novel, “The Mandibles”. I strongly reccommend this as what seems to me an accurate depiction of what ordinary Americans are in for, as the next half century plays out.

    My advice: (1) make sure you’re near a certain supply of potable water and a place to safely dump your waste; (2) make sure your location is far from the urban underclass and ideally in a salubrious year round climate; (3) stock up on barter goods including firearms, lots of ammunition in many commonly used configurations, medical supplies, medicines, drugs, alcohol, tobacco. and as much nonperishable food as possible.

    Sperate optimo. Parate pessimo.

  25. I admit I feel slightly vindicated since I predicted Harris would be the Democratic nominee for the 2020 election back in 2017. Based on Joe Biden’s rumored physical and mental decline, I expect Kamala Harris will be president by 2024. (If I were Joe Biden I’d have very tight food, beverage and medication security to avoid poisoning.)

    I’ve read the commenters and side generally with the Brazilification/gradual decline hypothesis as America’s likely future. The dollar may stay on top simply because I don’t see a replacement reserve currency on the horizon.

  26. res says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Don’t you think the COVID-19 disruption of the 2020 primaries gets a little credit for the ease of Biden’s victory?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  27. res says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Although I did not think the Dems would actually go for a 78 year old Biden, I am feeling pretty good about this February 2019 comment (response to an anon) right now.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/how-does-a-straight-white-male-democrat-run-for-president/#comment-3048897

    It will be a Biden President / Kamala VP ticket. The Dems still want to win, even if it means voting for a white guy. It is also a stronger ticket than Clinton / Kaine.

    I still don’t think the Democrats (or the voters) will go for someone who would be 78 at inauguration, but it does sound like one of the more likely ways to end up with Kamala as president in 2024. And as long as that is understood the anti-white male crowd might go along in 2020.

    Jefferson’s response to me has aged much less well ; )

    P.S. Yes, this comment has serious potential to jinx myself. One can only hope.

  28. At least she’s nice to look at.

    • Disagree: Cloudbuster, SomeoneOutHere
    • Replies: @SomeoneOutHere
  29. Doesn’t matter who it is, they’re all just frontmen. They have minimal personal power to do things. I think the Dems are being totally transparent about this: Biden is just a “get rid of Trump”.

    They’re going to have him not “campaign” at all . Hillary lost the election on 9/11 when she collapsed into the van. Won’t happen again. Won’t be any debates either.

    Bernie people have been totally neutered. Embarrassing for them

  30. A123 says:

    The Democrats have put themselves in a terrible bind by only considering “minority females” for VP. There are three serious strikes against Kamala:

    — Her “lock up black men” history as a prosecutor will alienate black male voters.
    — Sleeping with Willie Brown for political gain will alienate female voters.
    — She cannot help deliver a swing state. California is already a lock for the Dems.

    Three strikes should be out, but there is a distinct lack of other choices.
    ____

    If the election was the 1st week of July, Biden could win despite his dementia. However, the election is the 1st week of November. That is 4 months of Biden gaffes and mental lapses.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Brian Reilly
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  31. @Diversity Heretic

    Unless his cognitive decline becomes too noticeable, I think that the pressure on Biden will be to finish at least the first half of his term. Under the 22nd Amendment, no one can be elected to more than two terms as President. A person can serve longer, however, if he or she serves as President less than two years before being elected. If Biden were President and resigned or died within two years of taking office, his VP could be elected only once. But if he makes it at least halfway through his term of office, his VP could serve the remainder of his term and then be elected two more times. So we are potentially looking at ten years of a Harris Presidency.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  32. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    Also I think the Biden campaign has announced that their running mate will be a woman.

    I must admit I hadn’t heard of all of the people listed, but, on looking them up, they seem all to be women. No clue on whether a trans Bernie would be woman enough but I would pay to see that campaign.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Talha
  33. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    Also I think the Biden campaign has announced that their running mate will be a woman.

    OK – well that would make sense then.

    No clue on whether a trans Bernie would be woman enough but I would pay to see that campaign.

    Dang! Go Bernadette!!! Yaaaasssss queeeeen!!!

    Peace.

  34. Jay Fink says:

    I find Kamala Harris a threatening figure. Tulsi Gabbard attacked her in the debates and then Harris shot back by criticizing Gabbard’s meeting with Assad. This shows me that Harris is a hardcore neolib. Besides I get defensive when anyone attacks Assad, one of my favorite leaders in the world. I greatly appreciate his secularism.

    • Agree: James Speaks
  35. MEH 0910 says:
    @Twinkie

    But it increasingly looks like we were merely premature in our prescience.

    What’s with the royal “we”?

    https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Prescience

    https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Ego-memory

    • LOL: Twinkie
  36. @LondonBob

    Okay, sounds good. But as far as blood goes, it is the invaders who are breeding and importing most of the new blood, if indeed they don’t already have a preponderance of the young and proud stuff. And as far as soil, that is being systematically ceded to the invaders, starting with the most valuable first, which happens to have all the crucial communication and transport nodes on it.

    And before anyone says, “Gott mit uns“, I’ll just note that the median modern is an atheist.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  37. @Twinkie

    What’s with the royal “we”?

    Blogging at Unz has its privileges.

  38. whoever the Biden people pick for Vice President, will probably also be the next President after Biden. so yeah, Kamala Harris could be President.

    Klobuchar was the least bad option for America as i posted 2 months ago, and now she’s out. Warren was the second least bad option. compared to all the other likely options, who are all african women who dislike America to one degree or another, we’d be lucky to merely get stuck with Warren.

  39. Harris is an acceptable candidate to the oligarch bankers because she saved them billions, showing whose side she’s on — or, to put it another way, who owns her.

    Here’s commentary from https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/kamala-harris-trump-obama-california-attorney-general

    “The settlement was woefully inadequate. For one, while the $20 billion total sounds good, it was a fraction of what the banks would have had to pay to compensate for all of their malfeasance. For instance, investors had won $8.5 billion in a settlement with Bank of America over mortgage securities backed by faulty loans.

    Secondly, the banks themselves paid very little — only around $5 billion, with most of the settlement involving the banks modifying loans owned by others, such as pension funds, who had nothing to do with the misconduct that necessitated the deal. In terms of direct financial relief, underwater homeowners — weighed down by average debt of close to $65,000 each — received around $1,500 to $2,000 each. One called it “a slap in the face for a lot of us.”

    Moreover, more than half of the $9.2 billion in principal loan forgiveness in the state went to second mortgages, and many of those were already delinquent. While it did benefit homeowners, it also meant, as one economist told the LA Times, that in practice the banks “were writing off loans that were essentially dead.” A year later, only one-fifth of the aid went to first-mortgage principal forgiveness. And even at the end of this, just 84,102 California families had any mortgage debt forgiven — far short of the 250,000 originally predicted.

    On top of this, under the deal, loans owned by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac didn’t qualify for the debt relief. Given they were the country’s biggest mortgage holders, this meant even fewer homeowners stood to benefit from the deal….

    “This settlement is yet another raw demonstration of who wields power in America,” wrote Susan Webber. “It adds insult to injury to see some try to depict it as a win for long suffering, still abused homeowners.” “There’s virtually no benefit to borrowers, and yet you give the banks credit for short sales and getting second liens wiped out — something they were going to have to do anyway” …

    There was no better symbol of Harris’s inability to hold the people behind the foreclosure fraud to account than her Mortgage Fraud Strike Force. Opened to much fanfare in 2011 and employing twenty-five Department of Justice lawyers and investigators with a budget of more than $2 million to go after foreclosure fraud, the strike force managed to prosecute just ten cases in three years, an East Bay Express investigation in 2014 found….”

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  40. @Audacious Epigone

    If she is also the preferred choice of the electorate, why doesn’t she get picked?

    Because Killary has the plan to be Veep and Biden will be Arkancided shortly after being sworn in.

  41. @Oliver Elkington

    perhaps even millennia of breeding with Arabs and Berbers who were never particularly exotic to those countries.

    Certainly not millenia, if referring to what Berbers became, and the breeding was rarely consensual during the Muslim conquest. The Berbers were Caucasoid, just as most of North Africa was before the Arab invasions.

  42. A few observations:

    1. Harris polls best because she has the most name recognition of any black(ish) candidate. So that doesn’t mean much by itself.

    2. Warren, Whitmer and every other white chick is out of the running because the veep selection will be black. How do we know this? Because Klobuchar “took herself” out of the running. She was the most plausible white candidate and never would have done this voluntarily. She was thus obviously forced to do so by the DNC. The purpose of making her withdraw was so that Biden won’t be seen as “passing her over” or dissing white women or the Midwest when he picks a black women. (In making her withdraw from consideration, the DNC is probably reneging on a quasi-promise to nominate her if she dropped out before Super Tuesday, throwing the race to Biden. Presumably, the quid pro quo this time is that she will get a choice cabinet position for playing ball).

    3. Stacy Abrams is out of the running. How do we know this? Because she is already complaining that she isn’t being vetted. Also, no one seems to remember that Biden actually offered to pre-designate Abrams as his VP if she would, in return, get on board early to support his campaign. Abrams, who seems to be extremely dumb and devoid of judgment, effectively told him: “F*ck off old white man, you’re a loser. I’ll wait to see who wins, and then they can have me as their Veep.”

    sources close to Biden had floated the idea of announcing Abrams as vice-president if he launched a campaign, though they seemingly did so without input from Abrams herself. Abrams did not reject the notion of becoming a vice-presidential candidate altogether; in the same View appearance, she said that she would be willing to serve as a nominee’s running mate “once a nominee was set.”
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/stacey-abrams-decides-not-to-help-biden-win-the-primaries.html

    Even Biden isn’t a big enough pussy to let her slap him in the face like that, and then put her on the ticket anyway. That silly CNN joint appearance awhile back was just a way of dispelling any sense of “dissing” her when she eventually fails to make the cut. Being, as noted, dumb as a rock, Abrams only figured that out in the middle of the broadcast.

    4. So who will be the lucky Negress? Just being black checks the woke box, all by itself, so you might as well pick the safest, most Establishment and donor friendly black you can find. Kamala and Rice are both hack party operatives, so they fit the bill equally. Probably a coin flip between those two.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  43. Drahthaar says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    California Sen. Kamala Harris tweets: “We won’t be silent about race. We won’t be silent about sexual orientation. We won’t be silent about immigrant’s rights. These are the very issues that define our identity as Americans.”

    Every American should reflect on that statement in re the nation’s future.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  44. MEH 0910 says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Even Biden isn’t a big enough pussy to let her slap him in the face like that, and then put her on the ticket anyway. That silly CNN joint appearance awhile back was just a way of dispelling any sense of “dissing” her when she eventually fails to make the cut. Being, as noted, dumb as a rock, Abrams only figured that out in the middle of the broadcast.

    Biden Inexplicably Humiliates Stacy Abrams On Live TV.

    • LOL: Denis
  45. @Audacious Epigone

    AE-

    What’s your take on Dollar Milkshake theory?

    I think it’s more properly called, “Dollar Highlander,” theory.

    If it proves accurate it should give us a little more time to prepare.

  46. @Curmudgeon

    The Berbers were Caucasoid, just as most of North Africa was before the Arab invasions.

    There are still quite a few Caucasian Berbers in North Africa. Amusingly, their enclaves are always the highest performing in economic and educational terms, which is quite vexing to the Arabized governments of the region.

    The Pieds-Noirs and other European colonists also appear to have done a fair amount of interbreeding of their own.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  47. Lowe says:
    @Dumbo

    The demographic situation in the West is bad and worsening faster than anyone expected. The next generation of White and Northeast Asian scientists and engineers will be less than half the size of this one.

    It is not going to take 100 years for this to ruin developed nations. If it keeps up it will be just a few decades before major cities have to be abandoned. This process is not just going to Brazilify the United States. It is going to Brazilify Brazil. Brazilier than ever.

    The modern way of life is already over, because we long ago passed the point of no return. Our ambitions are a joke. I heard a Boomer at work today say “I sure hope they have a vaccine soon,” that is, for coronavirus. Stupid old man, who is going to make it for you? The SJW Bindis and insect-people you let overrun your country?

    Science was only something white men could do. Asian men can barely do it, and usually only when they are working with white men. Everything is fake now. We can’t build better computers, we can’t build robots, and we definitely aren’t putting anything in space but little garbage satellites.

  48. anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Yes, economic collapse could set the stage for dissolution.
    Yes, the racial and cultural conflict will fuel the fires for dissolution.
    But the USA is not the Soviet Union or Czechoslovakia.
    1. Core Americans will fight to keep the US whole. Patriotism will assert itself when things get gritty. Don’t assume core Americans are just fat lazy hillbillies. Don’t assume fat lazy hillbillies are just fat lazy hillbillies.
    2. The fortunes of war are unpredictable. Who can say what battles will be won or lost?

  49. MBlanc46 says:

    I picked her as front-runner for the presidential nomination. I missed on that one, but figure her as the most likely VP choice. Biden says that it has to be a woman and in current circumstances it almost certainly has to be a PoC. Ergo, Harris.

  50. MBlanc46 says:
    @truthman

    The rioters will be much wilder under Harris than they were under Obama.

  51. Dan Hayes says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    It had been speculated that the Berbers were the original settlers of Ireland. I don’t know whether DNA evidence confirm this.

  52. Talha says:
    @Lowe

    I heard a Boomer at work today say “I sure hope they have a vaccine soon,” that is, for coronavirus.

    We can’t build better computers, we can’t build robots, and we definitely aren’t putting anything in space but little garbage satellites.

    Possibly. Even if there was some bizarre plague that wiped out every pure white and East Asian person on the planet, at this point the world is quite self-sufficient at 1940-1950’s technology, I don’t think that is going to change at any point. Some unique places maybe able to get to near-1970s to 1980s technology.

    Peace.

  53. anon[893] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lowe

    We can’t build better computers, we can’t build robots, and we definitely aren’t putting anything in space but little garbage satellites.

    Blackpill much? Crew Dragon is not a little garbage sat.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/06/nasa-says-crew-dragon-spacecraft-doing-extremely-well/

    Here you can practice docking a Dragon crew capsule with the ISS.

    https://iss-sim.spacex.com/

    Tahla
    at this point the world is quite self-sufficient at 1940-1950’s technology, I don’t think that is going to change at any point

    There are critical bottlenecks in any industrial process, often very smart people are involved in them. 1940’s – 1950’s tech would involve vacuum tubes, for example. Those are more than just fancy light bulbs.

    It would be best not to experiment with how far things could slip. Because it’s a long way down. Most countries are not self sufficient in food at the current population level…

    • Replies: @Lowe
    , @Talha
  54. Twinkie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I tend to think that people who claim to know the future are either hucksters or insane. There is an outside chance that they are divinely-inspired, but such cases tend to be accompanied by other miracles. 😉

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Audacious Epigone
  55. Twinkie says:
    @Lowe

    Asian men can barely do it, and usually only when they are working with white men. Everything is fake now. We can’t build better computers, we can’t build robots

    Somebody hasn’t been to Japan.

    • Replies: @Lowe
  56. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie


    I tend to think that people who claim to know the future are either hucksters or insane.

  57. dvorak says:

    With Trump conceding that Biden is trouncing him, it would be stupid for Team Biden to chose Kamala Harris when they have a perfectly good Susan Rice available.

    Harris is grating to the male ear; Rice is boring but can be easily propped up by the media to fascinate voters as the first woman, the first black, the first black woman VP.

    Rice is far less likely than Harris to turn seniors and downscale whites away from Biden.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  58. LondonBob says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Doesn’t matter, it is our land and always has been, everyone else is just visiting. This can’t be deconstructed the way traditional American identity was.

  59. @Indiana Jack

    Astute comment! I had forgotten that aspect of the 22nd Amendment. So Biden may be propped up until January 21, 2023. Then Kamala Harris until 2033 unless the Constitution has been amended to permit presidents for life.

  60. Lowe says:
    @Twinkie

    It must be strange not being a white man, and waking up every day in the world white men built. Your clothes, your car, the building you live in, the electricity in the walls, even the manner of speech used in business… all of it originates with people other than your ancestors.

    This applies to the Japanese as much as any other Northeast Asians. Just being clever and knowing how to be capitalists doesn’t give them a track record of actually accomplishing anything. That may change some day, but it hasn’t yet.

  61. Lowe says:
    @anon

    I was exaggerating. But it’s only a matter of time before Musk and all the others can’t hire enough smart and honest men to put anything into space.

    Well, Musk may be dead by then. But it will fall off well before it stops totally. There is already barely any commercial purpose to satellites. In a few decades people are going to wonder why and how we were doing it at all.

  62. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lowe

    It must be strange being a white man knowing that everything you do ultimately owes its possibility to some guy in Africa who invented fire.

    Conditions and circumstance matter.

  63. res says:
    @Lowe

    all of it originates with people other than your ancestors.

    You seem to make a habit of exaggerating (see your comment immediately following that one). Not a good habit for encouraging thoughtful conversation.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Truth
  64. @Lowe

    The next generation of White and Northeast Asian scientists and engineers will be less than half the size of this one.

    Isn’t it hilarious watching goodwhite management pretend there is an army of their vibrant young pets that are going to push STEM to new heights, any day now….just wait…

    ….while the AWFLs in HR tie themselves in knots trying to find these unicorns, recruit them, and hire them at all costs.

    Well, maybe it’s not so amusing when you have to work with them and watch them race up the career ladder for performance that is sub-par at best.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  65. Talha says:
    @anon

    There are critical bottlenecks in any industrial process, often very smart people are involved in them. 1940’s – 1950’s tech would involve vacuum tubes, for example.

    Plenty of places in the world that aren’t white can create cars on their own without white or East Asian input. This will not be a problem.

    It would be best not to experiment with how far things could slip

    I was talking about a hypothetical.

    Most countries are not self sufficient in food at the current population level…

    Completely irrelevant question from whether or not someone can produce a propeller aircraft.

    There is no indication that the rest of the world cannot handle 1940s-1950s technology on its own completely independent of white or East Asian input at this point. And I’m not saying every single part of that world could; obviously Tuareg nomads and Amazonian tribes aren’t going to produce cars anytime soon.

    Peace.

  66. @Talha

    “plenty of places in the world that aren’t white can create cars on their own”

    I think you mean, “can BUILD cars on their own.” Not create. Big difference.

    You want to tell me that non-Whites can “create” something as extraordinary as a car (evidence please), but the evidence I’m seeing right here on this page is that non- whites can’t even think or make basic distinctions clearly.

    • Replies: @Talha
  67. Talha says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I think you mean, “can BUILD cars on their own.”

    Yup. Thanks for the correction.

    Peace.

  68. Twinkie says:
    @Lowe

    Is it strange using paper to write on, wipe your behind with, etc.? Is it going to be strange firing off some fireworks this Fourth of July (or using guns)? Is it strange using all these countless things, which were not invented by your ancestors?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

    For that matter, the last time I checked, human civilization began with the great river cultures of the ancient times, to one of which modern East Asians are biological heirs, but to which Northern Europeans are only “ideological” heirs.

    So, no, I don’t feel strange about utilizing the sum total civilizational achievements of all mankind, which were built upon each other’s works, even if those of Europeans were at the forefront in the last four hundred years or so.

    The last time I checked we all use the numerals invented by Indians and transmitted to us by Arabs. I guess you feel strange using al-jabr (aka algebra) every day.

    Go visit a Japanese factory and tell us all there are no robots.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @iffen
  69. Twinkie says:
    @Talha

    There is no indication that the rest of the world cannot handle 1940s-1950s technology on its own completely independent of white or East Asian input at this point.

    I’m much more optimistic than that. Even if all Europeans, North Americans, and East Asians disappeared tomorrow, Brazilians will continue to make regional jet aircraft and Indians will continue to make cars.

    Sure, there will be great temporary upheaval, but necessity is the mother of inventions and human beings will adapt eventually. Europeans and East Asians didn’t just emerge primevally – they are the result of numerous waves of intermixing of peoples who were conditioned and changed by their environments. So long as there are environmental challenges – be they natural or man-made (such as interstate competition and war), some people will come up with new things and ways to overcome them.

    • Replies: @Talha
  70. Twinkie says:
    @Lowe

    The next generation of White and Northeast Asian scientists and engineers will be less than half the size of this one.

    But it’s also possible that the next cohort of white and East Asian engineers (and scientists) will be of higher cognitive profile… since their parents increasingly marry assortatively and K-select.

    Scientific progress isn’t made by a mass of above average people – they are the product of a very few select intellects. Quality seems to matter more than quantity.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  71. anon[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    vPlenty of places in the world that aren’t white can create cars on their own without white or East Asian input. This will not be a problem.

    You might be thinking of this company:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Tata_Motors

    Tata has assembly plants in multiple Indian locations as well as Argentina and the UK. As with any other such company, they use a number of integrated circuit chips in every vehicle. Anti-skid, A/C control, cruise control, radios, etc. all use IC’s. Let’s leave those aside and just concentrate on the engine, because the engine is a requirement.

    Modern throttle-body fuel injected engines are controlled by rather simple computers and use a number of integrated circuits plus other electronic devices. Older throttle body systems used a cable from the accelerator pedal to the intake manifold, but still require sensors and some computation in the engine controller. To step back from that would require recreating the carburetor business, which may still exist in some places: soft zinc based metal casting to 1mm or 0.5mm tolerance, brass working to the same tolerance is required. That’s pre-1985 technology all the way back to the 1920’s. Not as efficient and does vent gasoline vapors just sitting parked.

    The chips for modern vehicles including Tata are IC’s are fabricated in very exacting and carefully controlled conditions. Taiwan Semi has three major plants in Taiwan that roll out a lot of IC products. As the transistor sizes have shrunk the cost per plant has gone way up. In the previous century Intel built a couple of fabs in the US for about $1 billion each.

    Now Taiwan Semi has decided to build a new fab on US soil, obviously in competition with HuWai.
    How much do you think it will cost?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/willyshih/2020/05/15/tsmcs-announcement-of-a-us-fab-is-big-news/#94d878023405

    $12 billion, minimum output will be 20,000 wafers per month. Each wafer is 300mm / 12 inches across and the yield varies.

    Such plants do not just fab high end CPU’s for internet routers, they make more boring stuff like CPU’s and memory for cellphones. Everything uses chips, from that dumb rice cooker on up to every cell tower, to the large machine that is an oilfield drilling rig, to the supertankers that move crude oil around, to the airplanes that fly people around, and so forth.

    The world is more complicated than it was 70 years ago.

    • Replies: @Talha
  72. The irony is that Harris will be America’s first dot-Indian president more than she will be another black president.

    She’s only a quarter or an eighth black. But she’s a full half-Indian, and brought up by an Indian mother.

    In any case, she’s utterly repellant. I think I’ll vote for Trump twice.

  73. @Twinkie

    ‘… For that matter, the last time I checked, human civilization began with the great river cultures of the ancient times, to one of which modern East Asians are biological heirs, but to which Northern Europeans are only “ideological” heirs…’

    Your grasp of ancient history is pretty shaky.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  74. Twinkie says:
    @Colin Wright

    Your grasp of ancient history is pretty shaky.

    Why don’t you elaborate?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  75. Talha says:
    @Twinkie

    I’m much more optimistic than that. Even if all Europeans, North Americans, and East Asians disappeared tomorrow, Brazilians will continue to make regional jet aircraft and Indians will continue to make cars.

    Sure, I agree there. I mean, just Iran and Pakistan and Turkey could still continue collaboration on even things like submarines, long range missiles, drones, medicine, surgery, etc. I was just talking in terms of worst-case scenario.

    1940s and 1950s is fairly basic at this point for even many third world nations )if they were to become stable).

    So long as there are environmental challenges – be they natural or man-made (such as interstate competition and war), some people will come up with new things and ways to overcome them.

    Yup – they may just take longer than others or be less efficient.

    I’m not exactly worried though. I mean, even if the world returned back to pre-Industrial (18th century), it would certainly be a massive inconvenience and life expectancy would drop by a couple of decades…but it’s not like it’s the Stone Age. I mean this was built in the 1600s:

    Peace.

  76. @Twinkie

    ‘Why don’t you elaborate?’

    Okay: Nile, Euphrates, Tigris. The Indus isn’t exactly East Asian either.

    • Replies: @Talha
  77. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    I think he is talking about this one:
    “All of the birthplaces of ancient major civilizations in Eurasia, i.e., Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Indus Valley, and Yellow River, belonged to dry to semi-arid climates having annual rainfall of 500 mm or less, and were inhabited by people who mainly sustained themselves by cultivating wheat/barley and millet and by pastoral farming.”
    https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-4-431-54111-0_1

    Maybe I’m wrong though.

    Peace.

  78. @The Wild Geese Howard

    ‘Well, maybe it’s not so amusing when you have to work with them and watch them race up the career ladder for performance that is sub-par at best. ‘

    Meanwhile, the jobs these individuals could do — high school teacher, bank manager, technician — are in turn filled by still less-talented minorities who can’t do those jobs.

  79. @Talha

    ‘I think he is talking about this one:
    “All of the birthplaces of ancient major civilizations in Eurasia, i.e., Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Indus Valley, and Yellow River’

    Ah. I missed the ‘one of.’

  80. iffen says:
    @Twinkie

    I guess you feel strange using al-jabr (aka algebra) every day.

    LOL

  81. @Talha

    ‘I think he is talking about this one:
    “All of the birthplaces of ancient major civilizations in Eurasia…’

    Actually, what it makes me question is the underlying assumption that civilization — all civilization — started with the ancient river cultures.

    Would the Minoans, Mycenaeans (sp?), and ancient Greeks never have appeared if the ancient Egyptians hadn’t been there?

    I’m skeptical. More tellingly, civilizations did arise in Central and South America without any such great river civilizations appearing first — so obviously, even if Sumeria et al did precede other civilizations, it has yet to be demonstrated that nothing would have followed without them.

    The Romans are off clomping around in Central Italy circa eighth century BC — at least, they are if we’re to give credence to their legends. Are we really to assume they never appear or never get anywhere absent the Nile, the Euphrates. et al?

    • Replies: @Talha
  82. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    Would the Minoans, Mycenaeans (sp?), and ancient Greeks never have appeared if the ancient Egyptians hadn’t been there?

    Don’t know – not really my area of expertise. I just know about the Yellow River being one of those river cultures.

    More tellingly, civilizations did arise in Central and South America without any such great river civilizations appearing first

    Good point. But weren’t they also river cultures?

    it has yet to be demonstrated that nothing would have followed without them.

    I agree (not conclusively) – I was just pointing out what I thought he was referring to.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  83. @Talha

    ‘…Good point. But weren’t they also river cultures?…’

    Certainly the Mexican and Central American civilizations weren’t.

    ‘…I was just pointing out what I thought he was referring to.’

    I know, and you (and he) were right about that, and I was wrong. I just got to thinking about the whole succession of civilizations thing,

    • Replies: @Talha
  84. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    I just got to thinking about the whole succession of civilizations thing,

    Certainly the civilizations in the Americas developed independently…unless I’m missing something.

    Peace.

  85. @Curmudgeon

    There is no genetic evidence for what you are saying. The North African ancestry in Spaniards is more on the maternal and X-chromosomal lines than paternal, and a majority of it dates back to the Roman Empire. So it does stretch back millennia and was mostly the result of European men with North African females.

  86. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    More like five months.

  87. Truth says:
    @res

    Not a good habit for encouraging thoughtful conversation.

    What part of “political website chatboard” is confusing to you?

    • Replies: @res
  88. nebulafox says:
    @Twinkie

    I half agree with this. You only need a few genuises (who were also hard working! The greats in science were brilliant, but like any other masters of a craft, they also worked monomanically) to truly innovate. Studying something like general relativity or quantum mechanics on a non trivial level really helps elaborate the difference in mental firepower it takes to able to understand someome else’s ideas, and actually creating them yourself.

    But to implement all those ideas and translate them into reality, you need a bigger amount of mentally unexceptional but obsessed warm bodies, such as myself. I cannot invent the stuff, but it is beyond cool enough that I will settle for the closest I can get. This is even more true in more applied things like engineering or software development-yes, the term “software engineer” is bogus.

    If a country has a few brilliant intellects but not enough on the tiers below them to provide the support staff, and often mates, given the lopsided gender ratio at the extremes of IQ, they will get poached by others.

  89. nebulafox says:
    @Lowe

    You seen China these days? Seriously, go to the new Silicon Valley in Shenzhen, or the Hangzhou CMT center, or the tokamak in Hefei.. or even out in the boonies in places like Guiyang where there is a massive supercomputer initiative, often geared toward biological research. They do not need white help to do engineering and science at all, however blatant industrial theft was back in the 90s.

    I expect them at this point to be the forefront of genetic engineering research instead of the US. I do not think that is good for the world at all, whatever America’s flaws, but I am not going to deny reality for the sake of comfort, nor do I begrudge the PRC their success. They worked hard, planned, invested in STEM wisely, and are reaping the rewards.

    • Replies: @No Jack london
  90. Talha says:
    @anon

    The world is more complicated than it was 70 years ago.

    Yeah I get that, but that’s not what I’m talking about.

    Cars from the 1950s (hell, 1970s) didn’t need any of this. India, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, Thailand, Peru, etc. can build this:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
  91. res says:
    @Truth

    Obviously we have different goals here.

    • Replies: @iffen
  92. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Cars from the 1950s (hell, 1970s) didn’t need any of this.

    They had other supply chains that mostly do not exist. To recreate them is nontrivial. Just because you are not aware of the existence of something such as a supply chain, it does not follow the something does not exist.

    India, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, Thailand, Peru, etc. can build this:

    India and Turkey probably can. Pakistan and Thailand, maybe. Egypt and Peru, very doubtful.

    You don’t seem to understand what mean g and VAR(g) implies.

    One hint: 1st-cousin marriage conserves recessives, lowering g by a few points per generation and adding in birth defects as a bonus. That’s why the minority of Pakistanis in England generate 30% of birth defects in the NHS.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html

    The Taj is an impressive tomb. What was the mean lifespan and infant mortality of that area when it was built?

    • Replies: @Talha
  93. iffen says:
    @res

    Obviously we have different goals here.

    We’re supposed to have goals in the comment section?

    I’m always among the last and least informed.

    Damnit!

    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @anon
  94. @Lowe

    ‘… This applies to the Japanese as much as any other Northeast Asians. Just being clever and knowing how to be capitalists doesn’t give them a track record of actually accomplishing anything…’

    Japan accomplished a hell of a lot. All your remark does is reveal your lack of knowledge of pre-Meiji Japan. Try visiting modern Japan. Assuming you can open your eyes, your socks should get knocked off. I don’t want to be them — but I sure as hell respect them.

    Really, I’m kind of a big-tent guy. Blacks are an exception, but everyone else is more or less okay. I’m not stuck on some ‘WASP no. 1 — everyone else sucks’ routine or variation thereof.

  95. ziggurat says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I’ve heard there’s a printed poster somewhere with the caption:
    “In the end times, gold and the dollar will rise together.”

    In some blog post, I read about the existence of this printed poster, but I’ve never been able to find it. It’s a cool idea for a poster or a meme.

    The conventional rule is that gold and the dollar have an inverse relationship. So, it’s an interesting prophesy that gold and the dollar will rise together, during the final fiat apocalypse.

  96. anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    We’re supposed to have goals in the comment section?

    Well, sort of.

  97. Talha says:
    @anon

    To recreate them is nontrivial.

    Never said it would be easy.

    You don’t seem to understand what mean g and VAR(g) implies.

    I get this. Still don’t know why this is your proof that the entire nation of, say, Pakistan could not build a car from the 1950s or propeller aircraft on its own.

    That’s why the minority of Pakistanis in England generate 30% of birth defects in the NHS.

    Yup, big problem among Mirpuris.

    What was the mean lifespan and infant mortality of that area when it was built?

    Probably between 25-35 years. Infant mortality, at least from what I remember reading, was around 30-40% (small pox was the biggest killer – again, if I recall correctly).

    Peace.

  98. @nebulafox

    Our production o Attorneys leaves them in the dust.

  99. Talha says:

    2021: “Oh, you think you can say you and your wife sleep in the ‘master’ bedroom, eh?…racist!!!”

    Peace.

  100. Richard B says:
    @Drahthaar

    California Sen. Kamala Harris tweets: “We won’t be silent about race. We won’t be silent about sexual orientation. We won’t be silent about immigrant’s rights. These are the very issues that define our identity as Americans.”

    In other words, “Our identity as Americans” is wrapped up in being
    unreflective thinkers, propaganda believers, compulsive talkers, terrible listeners and bad actors.

    She’s yet another in a long line of low-character, self-focused “leaders.”

    That’s nothing new.

    What is new, and ominous, is that, thanks to Political Correctness and Identity Politics she and many, many others are not only making the insane demand to be placed above criticism, loved unconditionally and blindly obeyed, but they actually have the power to effectuate that demand.*

    *I use the singular “demand” because all three in the above list are inseperable.

    I’ve said it before, but will say it again, because it’s worth repeating, what we’re really witnessing is

    The Pyrrhic Victory Of The Hostile Elite

    It couldn’t be more obvious.

    But everyone’s too focused, with reason, on The Collapse of The USA to notice.

    Maybe they should notice. It might give them some much needed hope.

  101. @Diversity Heretic

    Why would they want to take Biden out? He’ll be a good fall guy for the inevitable economic malaise we’re in for. By 2024, with Texas, Arizona, North Carolina, and Georgia all out of the GOP’s reach for demographic reasons, Harris will be able to implicitly run against Biden. She won’t need to primary him–that would be absurd even for 2024 America–but it will help ease his stepping aside for her coronation.

  102. @res

    Not really. In 2016, when it was Sanders vs not-Sanders, Sanders got 45% of the vote. In 2020 when it was Sanders vs not-Sanders, Sanders got 35% of the vote. South Carolina and Super Tuesday were pre-corona, and these were the contests that effectively ended the race.

  103. @A123

    Blacks like Biden. Kamala is for the SWPLs who are embarrassed by Biden’s alleged racism that blacks don’t care about.

  104. zerobid says:

    Do not go broke shorting the USD.

  105. @The Wild Geese Howard

    That it already happened when the dollar index pushed up to around 105 in March. It’s since surrendered all those gains. Why would it be flat over the year?

  106. @Twinkie

    It is neither the first nor the third, so by the process of elimination, insanity it is. Does that hold up as a general defense, or is that just on TV?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  107. Missy says:

    She is not a Natural Born Citizen, she is a an or baby. NOT ELIGIBLE.

    Just one more huge nail in the coffin of the Constitutional Republic. NOT ELIGIBLE.

    And also… NOT BLACK.

  108. Twinkie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    You are much too cogent to use the insanity defense.

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