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Overwhelming majorities of people across the political spectrum expect widespread civil unrest if Donald Trump wins reelection next week:

This doesn’t bode well for the president’s chances. Nice country you have there, it’d be a shame if you made the wrong decision on Tuesday and we had to punish you for it.

It’s incorrect to think Joe Biden and the DNC control the riots. They don’t. But that doesn’t matter in the electoral near term. The presumption among many Americans is that if Biden is elected, the relative tranquility of the Obama years will return. They’re in for a rude awakening as they realize Trump didn’t cause this, Trump was caused by this.

 
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  1. I’m glad liberals themselves realise and don’t deny the OBVIOUS: that liberals are more prone to civil disorder (and related things) than conservatives are.
    Alternatively, a cynic would say: liberals are just more like children – more prone to temper tantrums.

    I know of one paper that found out liberal identity associated with crime more than the conservative one: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886916310996

  2. Am I insane if I think that these are actually good numbers from the Trump campaign’s point of view? This would seem to show that a solid majority of voters across the political spectrum understand that Biden’s side (if not exactly Biden himself) are behind the riots and chaos. And most ordinary Americans, for all that they’re pathetically afraid to be called racist, still really don’t like riots, chaos, BLM, Antifa and the rest of the associated social pathologies. If they now feel (rightly) threatened with more of the same, doesn’t this indicate readiness to take a stand against it, rather than to vote in favor of the criminals and maniacs?

    Granted, large numbers are already cowed and beaten enough to have learned to love Big Brother. Still, to me this is another hopeful sign. Being threatened and bullied tends to energize people to action IF there is a ready and plausible means of striking back available to them. In our society there normally isn’t, which is why despair is the more common reaction. But in this particular case, that means would be getting to the polling place.

  3. @John Regan

    Not insane at all. In my view, Americans swept up in this great political drama – marinated in negative polarization, addicted to outrage – are not afraid of heightened civil unrest but rather excited by the prospect of it in the greater fix it would provide them. Most Americans would, after all, be unaffected by the madness as they watch the appalling highlights on their news shows. They are by and large far too comfortable in their decadent lifestyles to participate in it but have a strong rooting interest, and in their ennui and discontentment hunger for the catharsis of seeing the tension brought to its moment of crisis.

    (That said, it’s not by any indication a big enough factor to get Trump re-elected.)

    • Replies: @Ash Williams
  4. Michael S says:

    I think your second paragraph is misinterpreting the situation. Republicans think there will be “unrest”, but in Democrat-run cities and states, which is where the “unrest” always is. And a smaller minority of them think “just let them try to do that here”.

  5. It’s incorrect to think Joe Biden and the DNC control the riots. They don’t.

    No, but Biden and the DNC are controlled by the same people who control the riots.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  6. @Vergissmeinnicht

    I’m glad liberals themselves realise and don’t deny the OBVIOUS: that liberals are more prone to civil disorder (and related things) than conservatives are.

    Not so fast. I interpret this as,

    If Trump wins, liberals think conservatives will riot (they won’t),
    while admitting that they themselves plan to riot (which they believe will be justified),
    + conservatives recognize that liberals will continue to riot, while conservatives won’t
    = 80-odd % columns.

    If Biden wins, liberals know conservatives won’t riot, and think they themselves won’t either,
    + conservatives recognize that liberals will riot no matter what, but know they themselves won’t
    = 40-odd % columns.

    So liberals don’t really admit that their side is massively more violence-prone.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Neuday
  7. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Almost Missouri

    It’s incorrect to think Joe Biden and the DNC control the riots. They don’t.

    No, but Biden and the DNC are controlled by the same people who control the riots.

    I don’t think so. There may be people who think they control the rioters (the people with money who fund outfits like BLM and antifa) but I have the feeling that they’re no longer in effective control. I have the feeling that the rioters are no longer actually controlled by anybody.

    You also have to remember that there’s no such thing as a single monolithic bloc that constitutes the elites. There’s no Ernst Stavro Blofeld pulling all the strings. The elites don’t work like SPECTRE. The elites are a loose coalition of individuals and groups who are united by only one thing – they want to remain part of the elites. But they actually have conflicting interests. There are members of the elites who would like the riots to continue and there are other members of the elites who would like the riots to stop. But I’m not convinced that there’s any faction within the elites capable of stopping the riots.

  8. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Almost Missouri

    So liberals don’t really admit that their side is massively more violence-prone.

    It’s possible that conservatives think there will be riots if Trump wins while liberals think that if Biden wins there’ll be right-wing nuts going on shooting sprees.

  9. @Vergissmeinnicht

    Like those violence prone, childish radicals on Lexington Green in 1775? I’ve often wondered how many of today’s conservatives would have been Tories back then – I can’t picture them taking up arms against a king whose authority to rule them came directly from Almighty God, in order to embrace some vague notions of “liberty” first proposed by atheist French philosophers.

    • Replies: @Jtgw
  10. @dfordoom

    I was going to agree with AlmostMissouri and still think he made a good point but your nuanced comments capture the complexity of the situation much better.

    • Thanks: dfordoom
  11. SFG says:

    Mass protests != ‘civil unrest’; people are allowed to protest in a democracy.

    All this really shows is that liberals love protests (which we knew).

    As P.J. O’Rourke put it:

    Not long after [Andrew Ferguson] and I met, we were driving down Pennsylvania Avenue and encountered some or another noisy pinko demonstration. “How come,” I asked Andy, “whenever something upsets the Left, you see immediate marches and parades and rallies with signs already printed and rhyming slogans already composed, whereas whenever something upsets the Right, you see two members of the Young Americans for Freedom waving a six-inch American flag?” “We have jobs,” said Andy.

  12. @Vergissmeinnicht

    >a cynic would say: liberals are just more like children – more prone to temper tantrums.

    “As a” cynic, this is a very naive thing to say. It’s not a temper tantrum, it’s a flex and a tactic to control you.

    You’re being mogged, and you’re coping

  13. @John Achterhof

    Pfft. The riots will insure a Trump landslide.

    Go look up Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. Now think really, really, hard. Which party is the party of security? This shit is dirt simple.

  14. @dfordoom

    No, but Biden and the DNC are controlled by the same people who control the riots.

    I don’t think so. There may be people who think they control the rioters (the people with money who fund outfits like BLM and antifa) but I have the feeling that they’re no longer in effective control. I have the feeling that the rioters are no longer actually controlled by anybody.

    I’d be surprised if Soros, at 90, has control of all his bodily sphincters. His young ‘uns must be in charge.

    Jim Henson gave us Kermit and Rowlf. His kids gave us Sid the Science Kid. Regression to the mean.

  15. Neuday says:
    @Almost Missouri

    So liberals don’t really admit that their side is massively more violence-prone.

    No, I think the Left knows that there side is violent, but they’ve been driven to this extreme act because of the evil racists on the Right. Like the Noble Lie, this is Noble Violence.

    I think there will be violence in the usual places by the usual sorts of people. If Trump wins, out of outrage and to drive him from office, but if Biden wins, it will be celebratory violence

  16. Jtgw says:
    @Observator

    Well there’s a tradition going back to Burke that interprets the American Revolution as essentially conservative and reactionary, not liberal and progressive. Rather than trying to overthrow the social and political order like the French would do a few years later, the American revolutionaries were in fact trying to defend their traditional order against encroachment by the British government.

  17. Jtgw says:
    @dfordoom

    Indeed. Reminds me of how libertarians talk about “the State” as if it’s some monolithic conspiracy. For sure sometimes useful simplification to make a point but other times obscures actual power structures at play.

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