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Sad to see so many San Antonians as 2019 maximum donors to Donald Trump — the owner of @BillMillerBarBQ, owner of the @HistoricPearl, realtor Phyllis Browning, etc.
Their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate that labels Hispanic immigrants as ‘invaders.’ pic.twitter.com/YT85IBF19u
— Joaquin Castro (@Castro4Congress) August 6, 2019
It took a matter of seconds to find the personal addresses of several of these people (yes, I realize this information is publicly available through the FEC–it doesn’t matter). We are seeing the transition from the cultural wars being fought figuratively and by proxy through public champions to being literally waged against private individuals for merely expressing political preferences. If an American Sulla is what we’re collectively after, this is how one is going to come about.
We’ve steadfastly advocated against violence on this blog since its inception in the mid-2000s, hoping for a peaceful way out of the mess of a collapsing empire we’re living under, and though that hope appears increasingly quixotic, we will continue to do so until there is truly no other alternative.
The schoolmarm is going to become a martinet again. The definition of racial slur is from this point forward liberalized to contain moral descriptions of groups of people based on immutable characteristics (ie, “blue-eyed people are evil”). Empirical descriptions are of course appreciated (ie, “blue-eyed people commit more crime”).
The alternative is to potentially get the 8chan treatment (a site I’ve never visited and looks to currently be unreachable) or for UR to go the route of Taki’s and disable comments. I want to avoid both of those outcomes, obviously, and this empirical unit is not going to run through the virtual equivalent of machine gun fire to try and prove a point. To those who find these parameters intolerable, kindly do not comment here.
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It is unavoidable that we have to self-censor.
The problem is that it may not extend to the rest of the site, or off-site for that matter.
Two generational cohorts have come of age in an educational environment that stigmatized bullying and bars hate speech. So the defeinition of harassment is now almost unlimited. Visible expressions of conservatism only come from outside agitators, or from TPUSA farce.
I’ve become this weird counter-signalling moderate that myself three years ago would not recognize.
Our people would do them selves and the movements a favor to self-deplatform from Big Social.
Most are needlessly contrarian or have egos that render them uncoachable. A severe lacking in the GSD department. I personally attribute it to a simultaneous drop-off in competent fathers, civic organizations (scouts, ROTC, etc.) and team sports, along with a sharp rise in grade inflation. But that's just me.
The fact of the matter is that younger, moderate-to-conservative white males should be kicking the asses of antifa, university admins, etc, when it comes to organizing. But they aren't. In fact, it's the exact opposite. Across every institution, a bunch of dysfunctional, low IQ freaks are routing them.
What now constitutes victories for conservative, nationalist white men are memes, Proud Boy Larpers, and schizos that shoot up a Walmart. I view Gab basically in the same way I view white guys who say "they will beat the system" by not going to college and becoming lifelong bachelors. It's setting up an echo chamber of low expectations.Replies: @216
https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards/
Despite my revulsion for Big Social, it would probably benefit us to familiarize ourselves with this; which will in time be extended to the entire Internet barring the creation of an Altnet that is distinct from TOR.
There’s a lot to regret about our tendency to scrpulously obey the letter of the law, but its the best way of weaseling through their defenses.
https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards/hate_speech/
Now imagine those list of standards where “political ideology” has been declared a protected class by a Redstan…err Red state.
If I lived in San Antonio, these are the businesses I would support.
It is unavoidable that we have to self-censor.
The problem is that it may not extend to the rest of the site, or off-site for that matter.
Two generational cohorts have come of age in an educational environment that stigmatized bullying and bars hate speech. So the defeinition of harassment is now almost unlimited. Visible expressions of conservatism only come from outside agitators, or from TPUSA farce.
I've become this weird counter-signalling moderate that myself three years ago would not recognize.
Our people would do them selves and the movements a favor to self-deplatform from Big Social.Replies: @L Woods, @Mr. Rational, @Hopscotch
Yes, I too have a contrarian reflex. I’ve come to recognize it as obnoxious and unproductive. Just saying.
“Empirical descriptions are of course appreciated (ie, “blue-eyed people commit more crime”).
Accurate empirical descriptions are even more so appreciated. 🙂
Question for all of the legal gun owners here, and specifically the peaceful advocacy group:
Ever thought about what you’ll do when the G comes knocking, demanding entry, and intent on searching your home in an effort to confiscate all firearms and ammunition on the premises?
And I haven't buried any scrap iron for them to dig up either. Why would that ever be necessary?
To be perfectly candid, it’s not the government I worry about, at least not directly.
Accurate empirical descriptions are even more so appreciated. :)
Question for all of the legal gun owners here, and specifically the peaceful advocacy group:
Ever thought about what you'll do when the G comes knocking, demanding entry, and intent on searching your home in an effort to confiscate all firearms and ammunition on the premises?Replies: @Twinkie, @Anonymous, @Mr. Rational
They won’t find everything. 😉
If you can’t afford high quality water- and dust-proof cases, get some PVC pipes.
How many will "fight" for the right to keep a firearm? I used to think that many would, but I have changed my mind.Replies: @notanon, @Twinkie, @dfordoom
In re: “neo-Stalinist De-platforming”:
What happens when you squeeze a balloon?
Samizdat, my friends.
The retreating promoters of the Approved Zeitgeist may blow up the bridges as they leave, but they can’t guard all the fording spots.
Or maybe they’ll start banning fax machines….
The fact that they feel they have to do this kind of thing is indicative of just how terrified they are of the Golem that they themselves created.
I think there may soon be much coin to be made in server farms and site-hosting…
That’s an understatement. Australia confiscated 25% of guns, paying a fortune in mandatory buybacks, declared victory and now it is supposedly a gun-controlled country.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-drive-by-shooting-25-bullets-fired-into-house-20120713-21zip.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5434721/Drive-shooting-broad-daylight-near-Sydney-airport.html
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/shots-fired-into-house-in-glenwood/news-story/810f35fb7cc0962bb186384dd7d9ec94
[ad nauseum]
Accurate empirical descriptions are even more so appreciated. :)
Question for all of the legal gun owners here, and specifically the peaceful advocacy group:
Ever thought about what you'll do when the G comes knocking, demanding entry, and intent on searching your home in an effort to confiscate all firearms and ammunition on the premises?Replies: @Twinkie, @Anonymous, @Mr. Rational
William Gibson, “All Tomorrow’s Parties”
I have the text, even the hardcover, but I read so long ago that I can’t remember the plot. It’s from a partially wrong future.
Easier to do a buy back. Maybe we could borrow some of the money we currently give to orphans I mean muh military and double the retail on any gun submitted. You’ll get say $1600 for your garbage DPMS AR platform. You want it in bitcoin? Not a problem.
Let’s do the math. Estimate 300M goons. Avg. say 1000 per. So $300 B total.
So $300B. Roughly the cost of 10 carrier strike groups*? Is it worth it? To bring peace and Rwanda to our land, and impair the ability of the financial oligarchy to use “other means” when necessary?
Forward, coolective. Smile before the zeitgeist comes ’round and busteds you.
PS I have software that makes 3D marshmallows if you’d be
(Author has to stop to seriously consider whether making a joke about ‘3D machetes’ falls under the rubric of Fedposting in Current Year. Decides: too absurd. Remembers his Kafka. Remembers that cutlery is banned in Loondon. Changes machetes to marshmallows.)
*1 Nimitz-class carrier, 7 Burke class destroyers, 3 Ticonderoga cruisers, 48 Super Hornets, assorted Hawkeyes, Growlers, Seahawks, etc., plus a truly Brobdingnagian amount of hamburgers and oreos.
AE, do you have a good book to refer regarding Sulla? I’ve heard references to him for a while now but the likes of wikipedia aren’t great for painting a coherent picture.
My own expectation is that, with corporate CEOs massively overreaching all over the place (the activity 8chan has engaged in is PUBLISHING SPEECH which is EXPLICITLY LEGAL and yet Cloudflare’s CEO takes it upon himself to unilaterally declare that Constitutionally protected activity to be illegal and to punish them, and nobody does anything about it … yet) we are going to see a reaction, of which anti-corporatism and nationalism are going to be very strong elements, and that adds up to a national socialist government – and not only that, but a POPULAR one.
Also:
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3637
Tulsi Gabbard appears to have delivered a knockout blow to Kamala Harris, who is now polling at 1% among blacks. Gabbard was present at the debates in large part due to Andrew Anglin and the Daily Stormer, who went all-out in getting his audience to make individual donations to her to get her to qualify for the debates when it appeared she wasn’t going to. I have to admit she’s the one person on that stage regularly saying things I agree with.
https://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-history-of-rome/id261654474
Is anyone old enough to remember how uusenet used to propagate? UUCP, a modem, a map of participating servers. One computer called another which forwarded files on to other computers.
The Internet is merely one way computers (people) can exchange information.
Despite my revulsion for Big Social, it would probably benefit us to familiarize ourselves with this; which will in time be extended to the entire Internet barring the creation of an Altnet that is distinct from TOR.
There's a lot to regret about our tendency to scrpulously obey the letter of the law, but its the best way of weaseling through their defenses.Replies: @snorlax
When it gets bad, it might behoove us to use seemingly PC code words. For example, substitute “white” for “black.” i.e. “FBI statistics show most murders are committed by whites.”
My own expectation is that, with corporate CEOs massively overreaching all over the place (the activity 8chan has engaged in is PUBLISHING SPEECH which is EXPLICITLY LEGAL and yet Cloudflare's CEO takes it upon himself to unilaterally declare that Constitutionally protected activity to be illegal and to punish them, and nobody does anything about it ... yet) we are going to see a reaction, of which anti-corporatism and nationalism are going to be very strong elements, and that adds up to a national socialist government - and not only that, but a POPULAR one.
Also:
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3637
Tulsi Gabbard appears to have delivered a knockout blow to Kamala Harris, who is now polling at 1% among blacks. Gabbard was present at the debates in large part due to Andrew Anglin and the Daily Stormer, who went all-out in getting his audience to make individual donations to her to get her to qualify for the debates when it appeared she wasn't going to. I have to admit she's the one person on that stage regularly saying things I agree with.Replies: @snorlax, @L Woods, @follyofwar
The History of Rome podcast is great. I’d recommend the whole thing, but episodes 31a through 34 cover the relevant time period.
https://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-history-of-rome/id261654474
“It is unavoidable that we have to self-censor.”
Not if we dissolved current political bonds and ruled over our own country in Redstan. How is this obvious and peaceful* solution ignored by so many? Frankly, I think Boomers will have to go the way of the dinosaur before it happens. What’s the old saying about a profession advancing one funeral at a time? It’s true, unfortunately. Humans seem to get set in their ways after about 30 and almost nothing you can say to them after that point will change their minds. Many of these people would seemingly rather live in a police state where they self-censor for fear of regime reprisal than consider freedom. What caused the American Revolution was less than that. And it’s exactly the kind of thing you were taught in school caused the Pilgrims to emigrate. You know, doing nothing and hoping for the best doesn’t have to be the only option. Pointless, directionless violence doesn’t have to be, either.
*Yes, I said peaceful. Many red states are the size of entire European countries. If 5-6 red states declared independence in unison, the US federal government wouldn’t have the military resources to effectively occupy them forever while also policing the world and running a global empire. They could try conscription, but polls indicate this would be unfavorable and may even cause riots on their home territory; it would also fan the flames in red states further, bringing more to our side – especially if conscripts were radical democrats. Further, pouring all our intellectual efforts into this option would dissipate a lot of the pointless lashing out you’ve seen in the media lately. It would give people an achievable goal and something to look forward to. It would give them hope.
My own expectation is that, with corporate CEOs massively overreaching all over the place (the activity 8chan has engaged in is PUBLISHING SPEECH which is EXPLICITLY LEGAL and yet Cloudflare's CEO takes it upon himself to unilaterally declare that Constitutionally protected activity to be illegal and to punish them, and nobody does anything about it ... yet) we are going to see a reaction, of which anti-corporatism and nationalism are going to be very strong elements, and that adds up to a national socialist government - and not only that, but a POPULAR one.
Also:
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3637
Tulsi Gabbard appears to have delivered a knockout blow to Kamala Harris, who is now polling at 1% among blacks. Gabbard was present at the debates in large part due to Andrew Anglin and the Daily Stormer, who went all-out in getting his audience to make individual donations to her to get her to qualify for the debates when it appeared she wasn't going to. I have to admit she's the one person on that stage regularly saying things I agree with.Replies: @snorlax, @L Woods, @follyofwar
There’s not going to be a reaction. Conservatives will do anything, anything at all, up to, including and beyond shredding the Constitution, to avoid being called “white supremacist” and to be allowed to go back to watching “the game.”
I thought we were already there:
“The oligarchy that Sulla restored had shown itself to be irresponsible, corrupt, self-seeking and indifferent, and no longer commanded the respect or loyalty of any significant group in society. The propertied classes of Italy had no confidence in a regime that excluded their leading men from senior positions and was unable to guarantee order and stability; the poor happily surrendered their spurious freedoms and ineffectual political rights in favor of individual leaders who depended on them for support and who consequently took care to supply their material needs.”
It is unavoidable that we have to self-censor.
The problem is that it may not extend to the rest of the site, or off-site for that matter.
Two generational cohorts have come of age in an educational environment that stigmatized bullying and bars hate speech. So the defeinition of harassment is now almost unlimited. Visible expressions of conservatism only come from outside agitators, or from TPUSA farce.
I've become this weird counter-signalling moderate that myself three years ago would not recognize.
Our people would do them selves and the movements a favor to self-deplatform from Big Social.Replies: @L Woods, @Mr. Rational, @Hopscotch
Gab is now part of the Fediverse, and apparently “unstoppable”. Perhaps UR should think about using Gab for the comments section. A lot would be lost, like good HTML formatting, but as a strategic move to counter deplatforming threats it would be good.
“When it gets bad, it might behoove us to use seemingly PC code words.”
Won’t work. They control the megaphone, so if they suspect what you’re doing, they’ll launch a full frontal assault on you with devastating effect. You aren’t going to sneak outta this with clever code words that obsessive Leftists will decode in a heartbeat (because they speak in such code themselves naturally). Either emigrate or separate.
Accurate empirical descriptions are even more so appreciated. :)
Question for all of the legal gun owners here, and specifically the peaceful advocacy group:
Ever thought about what you'll do when the G comes knocking, demanding entry, and intent on searching your home in an effort to confiscate all firearms and ammunition on the premises?Replies: @Twinkie, @Anonymous, @Mr. Rational
Why, NO! Why should I even consider such an absurd thing?
And I haven’t buried any scrap iron for them to dig up either. Why would that ever be necessary?
My own expectation is that, with corporate CEOs massively overreaching all over the place (the activity 8chan has engaged in is PUBLISHING SPEECH which is EXPLICITLY LEGAL and yet Cloudflare's CEO takes it upon himself to unilaterally declare that Constitutionally protected activity to be illegal and to punish them, and nobody does anything about it ... yet) we are going to see a reaction, of which anti-corporatism and nationalism are going to be very strong elements, and that adds up to a national socialist government - and not only that, but a POPULAR one.
Also:
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3637
Tulsi Gabbard appears to have delivered a knockout blow to Kamala Harris, who is now polling at 1% among blacks. Gabbard was present at the debates in large part due to Andrew Anglin and the Daily Stormer, who went all-out in getting his audience to make individual donations to her to get her to qualify for the debates when it appeared she wasn't going to. I have to admit she's the one person on that stage regularly saying things I agree with.Replies: @snorlax, @L Woods, @follyofwar
I sure wouldn’t give smarmy Andrew Anglin any credit for getting Tulsi into the debates. If anything, vocal support from him and David Duke hurt her. It sure didn’t help.
As a supporter who has donated some money, I now get almost daily emails from Tulsi’s camp. In her latest she said that, while she already has enough individual donors to qualify for the next round of debates, she has not consistently received the 2% democrat voter support needed.
Her recent vote in favor of the pro-Zionist, anti-BDS bill had to diminish her support, as it showed she could be easily rolled by the money-waving Jewish supremacists like Adelson (Tulsi was recently photographed with his wife). One wonders why she would be so reckless when the young democrat base mostly supports BDS. If Tulsi doesn’t make it to the Sept. stage it will be because of that self-destructive vote (assuming, of course, that the polls are not completely faked).
“There’s not going to be a reaction. Conservatives will do anything, anything at all, up to, including and beyond shredding the Constitution, to avoid being called “white supremacist” and to be allowed to go back to watching “the game.”
Aren’t you the guy who tried blackpilling my partition option? You can’t very well demand other people act if you aren’t willing to act yourself. Under partition, all a red state would have to do is to announce its independence and you’ve won. Of course, it may not really be that simple, but it’s a viable strategy. The alternative is to either put your trust in a conman like Donald Trump or to do nothing while whining about other people doing nothing themselves.
How could dissolution happen? All that would be required is that a state GOP disassociate itself from the national party (easy once it becomes clear after 2020 the GOP can’t win elections anymore) and then declares itself independent by legislation and the governor’s signature. Most red states don’t have state referendums, so a state vote wouldn’t be required. This is doubly legitimate if a governor explicitly runs on an independence platform and wins. Some federal judge may claim it’s unconstitutional, but they’ll be discredited in the future after the democrats pack the courts with leftists, and after it becomes clear the GOP will never again get another federal judge appointed themselves; the federal judiciary will soon become heavily politicized and therefore discredited.
Then call out the national guard or a citizen’s militia at that point and promise to make a fight of it if they have a problem. They’ll back down. They don’t have the will to fight and all the polls show it. They also don’t have the manpower to physically occupy states the size of some European countries while also policing the entire world / deterring Russia and China … and white males sympathetic to conservatives make up the overwhelming majority of the special forces and fighter pilots, so they’d have a rebellion behind the lines if they tried anything.
The way I see it, you have three choices: 1) emigrate 2) accept defeat and be oppressed, which seems to be the going stratagem on the right these days – that when they aren’t committing senseless acts of violence 3) disassociate and make all your own rules without input from the left-wing. You aren’t voting your way out of this in a national election, that’s for sure; Trump proved that. And there is no conservative Julius Caesar waiting in the wings to save the day because the American military is disproportionately careerist incompetent yes men these days. I personally am probably the closest you’ll ever get to that, so you’re in deep trouble if that’s who you’re waiting for.
If you seriously think that a party like the GOP is going to give you what you want then I can't help you.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
Since you mentioned 8chan:
“8chan owner says the manifesto was not uploaded by the shooter and law enforcement knew about this from the beginning. pic.twitter.com/Ghjrqk7xS8”
— Will Westcott (@westland_will) August 6, 2019
8chan was the same place where a stupid FBI guy left threatening messages and then cited his own postings to justify court action. He didn’t realize that the site displays a “yours” message when viewing your own posts. This was a targeted hit by the regime. Enjoy your freedoms, ya’ll. Remember that when you tell your kids to sign up for the military.
Well, if it isn’t clear by now, since prosecutors are not going to bring charges against those who engage in the violation of U.S. laws against doxxing (save, perhaps for anyone on the Right) then we had best begin practicing carrying on a regular basis – if you’re not doing so already.
i think there is going to be a reaction but it won’t come from alt-right or WN types – imo it’ll come from normiecons who want to live in a constitutional republic and are just coming to the realization they’re on the verge of losing it.
It is unavoidable that we have to self-censor.
The problem is that it may not extend to the rest of the site, or off-site for that matter.
Two generational cohorts have come of age in an educational environment that stigmatized bullying and bars hate speech. So the defeinition of harassment is now almost unlimited. Visible expressions of conservatism only come from outside agitators, or from TPUSA farce.
I've become this weird counter-signalling moderate that myself three years ago would not recognize.
Our people would do them selves and the movements a favor to self-deplatform from Big Social.Replies: @L Woods, @Mr. Rational, @Hopscotch
Something I have noticed is that younger, white males increasingly suck at organizing or thriving in team environments. It’s become noticeable in the past few years, to the point where I now view most 20-something white US men skeptically from a hiring standpoint.
Most are needlessly contrarian or have egos that render them uncoachable. A severe lacking in the GSD department. I personally attribute it to a simultaneous drop-off in competent fathers, civic organizations (scouts, ROTC, etc.) and team sports, along with a sharp rise in grade inflation. But that’s just me.
The fact of the matter is that younger, moderate-to-conservative white males should be kicking the asses of antifa, university admins, etc, when it comes to organizing. But they aren’t. In fact, it’s the exact opposite. Across every institution, a bunch of dysfunctional, low IQ freaks are routing them.
What now constitutes victories for conservative, nationalist white men are memes, Proud Boy Larpers, and schizos that shoot up a Walmart. I view Gab basically in the same way I view white guys who say “they will beat the system” by not going to college and becoming lifelong bachelors. It’s setting up an echo chamber of low expectations.
Lack of an effective Gen X cadre of leaders.Our problem comes from the top down. The core conservative institutions are run by people that loathe the bulk of conservatives, and who seek moral authority from the left.This is individually beneficial for many men, and collectively might succeed where political action has failed. Reasoned argument isn't going to get women to no longer be feminist.
Americans, due to their history, seem to think a civil war is between polities with nicely drawn boundaries. Doxxing like this so neighbours can “protest” you on your front-lawn of your house is but a first step to the inevitable day when they burn down your house. This faction versus faction battle is the ugly reality of civil war in most places and is one that is already well under way in America.
And these are people i considered tight with each other a few years ago. After the Dayton shooting my aunt and her family called my grandparents to tell them they won't invite Neo-Nazis (Republicans) to the Christmas dinner....something we hadn't missed since moving here in 1890s.
Leftbook has absolutely lost it. If you're not in a conservative state or among conservatives already you're entire communication circle is cut off. Even if you're a socialist different views are worthy of death....or several letters of why your views are EVIL.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Vladimir Ilich Lenin — ‘The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.’
I used to describe Australia as being like California, but without the drive-by shootings: So much for gun-controlled Australia …
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-drive-by-shooting-25-bullets-fired-into-house-20120713-21zip.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5434721/Drive-shooting-broad-daylight-near-Sydney-airport.html
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/shots-fired-into-house-in-glenwood/news-story/810f35fb7cc0962bb186384dd7d9ec94
[ad nauseum]
I’ve already got family and friends physically fighting each other, doxxing, making false reports, trying to get each other fired or suspended, some even making threats at people’s houses
And these are people i considered tight with each other a few years ago. After the Dayton shooting my aunt and her family called my grandparents to tell them they won’t invite Neo-Nazis (Republicans) to the Christmas dinner….something we hadn’t missed since moving here in 1890s.
Leftbook has absolutely lost it. If you’re not in a conservative state or among conservatives already you’re entire communication circle is cut off. Even if you’re a socialist different views are worthy of death….or several letters of why your views are EVIL.
OK, seriously, good information. Polls from A.E. are one thing, but personal anecdotes still tell a lot about what's going on. Thank you, for that one, O.R.
4chan will be next to be cancelled, thus ending the last fun era of the internet. Though 4chan is a lot more tame verses its glory days
But don’t worry we’ll still host Islamist forums
There is a persistent cycle in the U.S. where the DNC creates a problematic process for their benefit…. LOVEFEST. Then when the other side uses that same process against them….. HATRED. Then it escapes into the wild and no one can unwind the mistake.
— They loved Gerrymandering until they lost control of it.
— They loved Doxxing, but that is starting to swing against them.
— They love “free speech” only when it is compliant like CNN and MSNBC. But, hate it when it is against them like Breitbart or a “chan” board.
— They love the violence of the Fascist Stormtroopers of Antifa. But, they are beginning to lose control of that.
The DNC wins votes by using Political Correctness to create hostile camps. Thus, they are the antithesis of Civil Democracy. Unfortunately, they can no longer win votes with positive ideas, so there doesn’t seem to be any good way out of the trap they have made for themselves and the nation.
PEACE
The only “reaction” those people are capable of is switching from charcoal to propane for the superbowl cookout.
And these are people i considered tight with each other a few years ago. After the Dayton shooting my aunt and her family called my grandparents to tell them they won't invite Neo-Nazis (Republicans) to the Christmas dinner....something we hadn't missed since moving here in 1890s.
Leftbook has absolutely lost it. If you're not in a conservative state or among conservatives already you're entire communication circle is cut off. Even if you're a socialist different views are worthy of death....or several letters of why your views are EVIL.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Man, there are some old farts on here!
OK, seriously, good information. Polls from A.E. are one thing, but personal anecdotes still tell a lot about what’s going on. Thank you, for that one, O.R.
Do you seriously think they could explain to you what a constitutional republic is?
(they're only a very small percentage of the total)
I find myself not very concerned about this, and I’ll tell you why.
The end result of these attacks on individuals is only going to be that individuals will take a much greater interest in defending themselves. With each one of these slights, the central government loses both actual power and perceived legitimacy. The clumsy, ham-fisted attempt at apophasis (“Sad to see…”) tells you what kind of douchenozzle this Castro fellow is. These are not men in the condottieri sense; they are the clowns, catamites, and juggling monkeys of the imperial circus. Beyond twitter trolling, they really have nothing they can do.
As more people recognize the need for actual self-defense as opposed to the legislative fiction of inalienable rights, the American social landscape will break up into an Italianate patchwork of cities, regions, families, and factions all pursuing their own interests. I can’t see how this would not be a massive improvement over the current situation. The grievance-politics would instantly come to an end once there was no federal superstate to dispense the gibs; and the people in charge would be schooled in the real arts of politics and fighting, economics and prudence—not like the micromanagerial twats who currently occupy the positions of power.
Lame bullying tactics show just how weak their position really is.
we shall see
the people i’m thinking of, yes
(they’re only a very small percentage of the total)
The end result of these attacks on individuals is only going to be that individuals will take a much greater interest in defending themselves. With each one of these slights, the central government loses both actual power and perceived legitimacy. The clumsy, ham-fisted attempt at apophasis ("Sad to see...") tells you what kind of douchenozzle this Castro fellow is. These are not men in the condottieri sense; they are the clowns, catamites, and juggling monkeys of the imperial circus. Beyond twitter trolling, they really have nothing they can do.
As more people recognize the need for actual self-defense as opposed to the legislative fiction of inalienable rights, the American social landscape will break up into an Italianate patchwork of cities, regions, families, and factions all pursuing their own interests. I can't see how this would not be a massive improvement over the current situation. The grievance-politics would instantly come to an end once there was no federal superstate to dispense the gibs; and the people in charge would be schooled in the real arts of politics and fighting, economics and prudence---not like the micromanagerial twats who currently occupy the positions of power.
Lame bullying tactics show just how weak their position really is.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @MBlanc46
Apparently the unzistas are all gung ho about civil war 2 or whatever, and deporting all non whites, but publishing someone’s names is going too far.
It’s a matter of plain fact that, with 48 hours to go before the deadline, Gabbard wasn’t going to make it. Then Anglin put up his article and banner, and about 36 hours later she made the cutoff.
If you have a different interpretation for that series of verifiable facts than “Andrew Anglin got Tulsi Gabbard into the debates”, I’d like to see it.
Not liking him is not a good reason for pretending to yourself that reality doesn’t exist. Loyalty to one’s feelings is what has gotten us into this situation in the first place; don’t contribute to it.
Proscription Dodged?
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/07/aoc-reaches-out-to-white-supremacists-not-too-far-gone-we-will-love-you-back/
They’ve changed her script writers, with Chakrabarti gone, we’re seeing all of this “reach out to cuckservatives” from her that we weren’t seeing before.
And barring her base revolting against her, this makes her more dangerous because the average conservative is morally shamed into cucking time and time again.
"it's not too late"
she's clearly switched from her indian script writer chakrabarti to a newer, more clever jewish puppet master. i personally believe that this anti-white hysteria is ramping up because indians and south asians have gotten their claws into more high-ranking institutions. unlike the jews, they are arrogant, blind, and publicly hate whitey.
that's why i love seeing more brown faces on the left. they can't run shit.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
it’s only a war if there are two sides fighting.
so far all i see is one side eliminating the other side while they stand there, denying that they even have a side, or that there is a war at all.
i give it a 50% chance that it actually turns into a war – the other side starts fighting. but i wouldn’t count on that at all.
an entirely likely scenario – the left simply eliminates all europeans on the right without a fight. then eventually, all europeans, even their ‘allies’. who could more accurately be described as dupes.
“The alternative is to potentially get the 8chan treatment”
the next democrat president will delete unz.com from the internet within 2 years of taking office.
so be prepared.
all the people on the dissident right today who hate Trump, and bash him constantly, have no plan at all for when the US flips to permanent democrat control.
we won’t even be able to hear what they have to say, because democrat politicians and leftists enforcers will have permanently silenced them within 1 year of Trump leaving office.
Hunter Wallace, in particular, has no idea at all what he’s actually asking for. nor does he have any plan for one party state America.
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Magical thinking can do anything.Replies: @JackOH
In an environment where boomers have suddenly lost half their retirement savings, the incoming president may start with an approval rating below 50% that will still be said president's high-water mark.
I don't like it when these conservative dudes finally marry and have kids and then hold forth like they were a bunch of youthful Lotharios, looking down upon those who haven't made it yet. It's very hypocritical and cruel.
the next democrat president will delete unz.com from the internet within 2 years of taking office.
so be prepared.
all the people on the dissident right today who hate Trump, and bash him constantly, have no plan at all for when the US flips to permanent democrat control.
we won't even be able to hear what they have to say, because democrat politicians and leftists enforcers will have permanently silenced them within 1 year of Trump leaving office.
Hunter Wallace, in particular, has no idea at all what he's actually asking for. nor does he have any plan for one party state America.Replies: @216, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone
guvm.mvd.ru/
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The end result of these attacks on individuals is only going to be that individuals will take a much greater interest in defending themselves. With each one of these slights, the central government loses both actual power and perceived legitimacy. The clumsy, ham-fisted attempt at apophasis ("Sad to see...") tells you what kind of douchenozzle this Castro fellow is. These are not men in the condottieri sense; they are the clowns, catamites, and juggling monkeys of the imperial circus. Beyond twitter trolling, they really have nothing they can do.
As more people recognize the need for actual self-defense as opposed to the legislative fiction of inalienable rights, the American social landscape will break up into an Italianate patchwork of cities, regions, families, and factions all pursuing their own interests. I can't see how this would not be a massive improvement over the current situation. The grievance-politics would instantly come to an end once there was no federal superstate to dispense the gibs; and the people in charge would be schooled in the real arts of politics and fighting, economics and prudence---not like the micromanagerial twats who currently occupy the positions of power.
Lame bullying tactics show just how weak their position really is.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @MBlanc46
“[J]uggling monkeys of the imperial circus”. Thanks. I’ll be using that.
I agree. That wasn’t a very nice thing for Matt Walsh to say.
I don’t like it when these conservative dudes finally marry and have kids and then hold forth like they were a bunch of youthful Lotharios, looking down upon those who haven’t made it yet. It’s very hypocritical and cruel.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/07/aoc-reaches-out-to-white-supremacists-not-too-far-gone-we-will-love-you-back/
They've changed her script writers, with Chakrabarti gone, we're seeing all of this "reach out to cuckservatives" from her that we weren't seeing before.
And barring her base revolting against her, this makes her more dangerous because the average conservative is morally shamed into cucking time and time again.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1158869485463453697Replies: @dfordoom, @notanon, @Audacious Epigone, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
It’s a very clever move on her part.
so far all i see is one side eliminating the other side while they stand there, denying that they even have a side, or that there is a war at all.
i give it a 50% chance that it actually turns into a war - the other side starts fighting. but i wouldn't count on that at all.
an entirely likely scenario - the left simply eliminates all europeans on the right without a fight. then eventually, all europeans, even their 'allies'. who could more accurately be described as dupes.Replies: @dfordoom
Except the rich whites of course. If you’re rich then you are by definition virtuous.
the next democrat president will delete unz.com from the internet within 2 years of taking office.
so be prepared.
all the people on the dissident right today who hate Trump, and bash him constantly, have no plan at all for when the US flips to permanent democrat control.
we won't even be able to hear what they have to say, because democrat politicians and leftists enforcers will have permanently silenced them within 1 year of Trump leaving office.
Hunter Wallace, in particular, has no idea at all what he's actually asking for. nor does he have any plan for one party state America.Replies: @216, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone
But that can’t happen because guns! Patriots have lots of guns. The government has hardly any. And no-one on the government side knows how to fire a gun anyway. It’s not like the police or the military get training in the use of firearms. It will be like Bunker Hill all over again. You’ll see.
Magical thinking can do anything.
dfordoom, exactly, agree 100%. The job of the citizen-activist, which is what we are here, is laborious, painstaking, and extremely uncertain. It'll sometimes involve long hours trying to find out the actual terms of debate that are ignored by people you want to win over. You want to compel a decision to be made that would not otherwise be made had it not been for your intervention.
But, of course, if you have a hat trick that explains away inaction or failure, well---Replies: @iffen
Magical thinking can do anything.Replies: @JackOH
“Magical thinking can do anything.”
dfordoom, exactly, agree 100%. The job of the citizen-activist, which is what we are here, is laborious, painstaking, and extremely uncertain. It’ll sometimes involve long hours trying to find out the actual terms of debate that are ignored by people you want to win over. You want to compel a decision to be made that would not otherwise be made had it not been for your intervention.
But, of course, if you have a hat trick that explains away inaction or failure, well—
I would be willing to bet that less than half of the commenters here bother to vote consistently.Replies: @JackOH
What happens when you actually have to use them? How would you determine what that point is?
How many will “fight” for the right to keep a firearm? I used to think that many would, but I have changed my mind.
media prints story:
"dude x is ebil nazi but we took away his means of self-defense and by the way here's his address"
this is already happening (minus the gun grabbing) and they're trying to add that last piece now.Replies: @Twinkie, @Audacious Epigone
I choose my own time and place to fight - I like to stack the odds of a fight in my favor as much as possible.
*All the more reason to live in a relatively (still) free locality where private, record-free purchases of firearms is legal.Replies: @iffen
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/07/aoc-reaches-out-to-white-supremacists-not-too-far-gone-we-will-love-you-back/
They've changed her script writers, with Chakrabarti gone, we're seeing all of this "reach out to cuckservatives" from her that we weren't seeing before.
And barring her base revolting against her, this makes her more dangerous because the average conservative is morally shamed into cucking time and time again.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1158869485463453697Replies: @dfordoom, @notanon, @Audacious Epigone, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
it’s a threat
“it’s not too late”
How can we have dissolution if we don’t choose up sides? Besides, “our” side needs cannon fodder and martyrs too.
How many will "fight" for the right to keep a firearm? I used to think that many would, but I have changed my mind.Replies: @notanon, @Twinkie, @dfordoom
there’s much more straightforward reasons for hiding them
media prints story:
“dude x is ebil nazi but we took away his means of self-defense and by the way here’s his address”
this is already happening (minus the gun grabbing) and they’re trying to add that last piece now.
My main problem in "times of trouble" is reaching that property, for which contingency I made appropriate preparations. But nothing is guaranteed in this life, but the Grace of God and you have to roll the dice when things go sideways.
the people shocked by the Castro thing are normie conservatives who are only just waking up to where this is heading – they had no problem with this stuff happening to alt-right types but didn’t realize the Left’s target list extended to them as well.
How many will "fight" for the right to keep a firearm? I used to think that many would, but I have changed my mind.Replies: @notanon, @Twinkie, @dfordoom
I can’t and won’t answer that in the abstract, but one thing should be clear. If the agents of the state were to pay a visit* to expropriate my arms, that is most certainly NOT the time to start a fight.
I choose my own time and place to fight – I like to stack the odds of a fight in my favor as much as possible.
*All the more reason to live in a relatively (still) free locality where private, record-free purchases of firearms is legal.
media prints story:
"dude x is ebil nazi but we took away his means of self-defense and by the way here's his address"
this is already happening (minus the gun grabbing) and they're trying to add that last piece now.Replies: @Twinkie, @Audacious Epigone
When my wife and I achieved some semblance of prosperity, we briefly thought about buying a second house on a beach. Instead we chose a remote, nearly inaccessible, hard-scrabble property in a heavy forested area… that also happens to be extremely defensible and has its own, abundant supply of water.
My main problem in “times of trouble” is reaching that property, for which contingency I made appropriate preparations. But nothing is guaranteed in this life, but the Grace of God and you have to roll the dice when things go sideways.
dfordoom, exactly, agree 100%. The job of the citizen-activist, which is what we are here, is laborious, painstaking, and extremely uncertain. It'll sometimes involve long hours trying to find out the actual terms of debate that are ignored by people you want to win over. You want to compel a decision to be made that would not otherwise be made had it not been for your intervention.
But, of course, if you have a hat trick that explains away inaction or failure, well---Replies: @iffen
The job of the citizen-activist, which is what we are here
I would be willing to bet that less than half of the commenters here bother to vote consistently.
I've tried to suggest that some of the common concerns voiced here are actually pretty mainstreamable, for example, as a lawful demonstration in D. C., a "Million Geek March" as I phrased it, or as a faction working within a major party. There's no interest.
President Trump sometimes speaks as though he's read some of the articles and commentary here, but he's a sui generis phenomenon.Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom
Gee, imagine that. Imagine! Who could have seen that coming?!
So many cowardly dumbasses.
How many will "fight" for the right to keep a firearm? I used to think that many would, but I have changed my mind.Replies: @notanon, @Twinkie, @dfordoom
In such a situation whether you fight or not is irrelevant. What’s more to the point is – how many people will be prepared to die for that right when they’re going to lose their guns anyway?
Then it becomes a numbers game: do you run out of gun-grabbers before running out of gun owners? It gets even more interesting when the gun-grabbers wind up being shot and firebombed out of their own homes, and having their children shot on playgrounds. That's a rather serious incentive to quit the job.
I have no idea how this is going to shake out. I do know which side is smarter. If that side is more ruthless, it's going to win.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
In such a situation whether you fight or not is irrelevant.
For the individual, yes. I used to think that when they started confiscating the weapons there would be serious violent insurrection (thousands of lone wolves), but I no longer believe that to be true.
I would be willing to bet that less than half of the commenters here bother to vote consistently.Replies: @JackOH
iffen, unless there’s some reason to think otherwise, I’d guess the proportion of U. S. commenters here who are eligible to vote and who actually vote is no different than the general population. What’s that, typically 50% of voting age population?
I’ve tried to suggest that some of the common concerns voiced here are actually pretty mainstreamable, for example, as a lawful demonstration in D. C., a “Million Geek March” as I phrased it, or as a faction working within a major party. There’s no interest.
President Trump sometimes speaks as though he’s read some of the articles and commentary here, but he’s a sui generis phenomenon.
You have nailed it. I've thought the same thing before.
There are all kinds of normal, moderate, mainstream, liberal democratic stuff lying on the ground, just waiting for some group to pick them up and go forward.Replies: @JackOH
I've tried to suggest that some of the common concerns voiced here are actually pretty mainstreamable, for example, as a lawful demonstration in D. C., a "Million Geek March" as I phrased it, or as a faction working within a major party. There's no interest.
President Trump sometimes speaks as though he's read some of the articles and commentary here, but he's a sui generis phenomenon.Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom
I’ve tried to suggest that some of the common concerns voiced here are actually pretty mainstreamable, for example, as a lawful demonstration in D. C., a “Million Geek March” as I phrased it, or as a faction working within a major party. There’s no interest.
You have nailed it. I’ve thought the same thing before.
There are all kinds of normal, moderate, mainstream, liberal democratic stuff lying on the ground, just waiting for some group to pick them up and go forward.
By "liberal" I'll assume you mean the pre-1930s classical version, and "democratic" in lower case.
Yes. I genuinely believe people have a hard time acting because they've been successfully persuaded by our deviant, immoderate, sidetracked, illiberal and undemocratic American politics that, for example, wanting a job that suits your talents and education is not important, or it's less important than some social engineering project.
The restoration of routine American liberties might be a good watchword; the junk we're governed by is the radical and oppressive, but you need to do a case-by-case study to see how radical our government actually is.
I choose my own time and place to fight - I like to stack the odds of a fight in my favor as much as possible.
*All the more reason to live in a relatively (still) free locality where private, record-free purchases of firearms is legal.Replies: @iffen
I choose my own time and place to fight – I like to stack the odds of a fight in my favor as much as possible.
I’ve no reason to doubt that you could win the first round against some ordinary foot soldier. How many rounds do you think that you could win when they keep sending more, and more skilled ones?
What would you win if you survived but the rest of us lost our weapons? What if they send someone smart and ruthless and he leaves a hand of one of your children for you to find and asks how many body parts do you want before you come in? Twinkie could survive, but what about the rest of us?
How about putting your considerable talent into developing a strategy that will scale up from one.
The army ain't gonna send one foot soldier after you.
Even if it's only the police you're potentially going to be facing a dozen or more guys in body armour, armed to the teeth, supported by helicopters and police snipers. They're going to fire tear gas at you. They're not going to go away if you shoot at them.Replies: @iffen
You want to see a modern example of a successful “weak” beating the strong? Read about Michael Collins (Yitzhak Shamir so admired the man that he supposedly code-named himself “Mikhail”).
Collins’ operations probably killed many more Irishmen than the English occupiers. If you control the sea, even a portion of it, as a fish, you don’t have to fight the shark.Replies: @iffen, @Johann Ricke
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/07/aoc-reaches-out-to-white-supremacists-not-too-far-gone-we-will-love-you-back/
They've changed her script writers, with Chakrabarti gone, we're seeing all of this "reach out to cuckservatives" from her that we weren't seeing before.
And barring her base revolting against her, this makes her more dangerous because the average conservative is morally shamed into cucking time and time again.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1158869485463453697Replies: @dfordoom, @notanon, @Audacious Epigone, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
the next democrat president will delete unz.com from the internet within 2 years of taking office.
so be prepared.
all the people on the dissident right today who hate Trump, and bash him constantly, have no plan at all for when the US flips to permanent democrat control.
we won't even be able to hear what they have to say, because democrat politicians and leftists enforcers will have permanently silenced them within 1 year of Trump leaving office.
Hunter Wallace, in particular, has no idea at all what he's actually asking for. nor does he have any plan for one party state America.Replies: @216, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone
If the bubble hasn’t popped by November of 2019 and Trump still loses, it’s hard to predict exactly what will happen. The stock market will tank immediately. I wouldn’t scoff at someone putting in a short for the S&P to lose half its value between November 2019 and January 2020. The GOP will very likely keep the Senate and be emboldened by the sudden ability to plausibly blame the coming financial disaster on the new wing of the Democrat party.
In an environment where boomers have suddenly lost half their retirement savings, the incoming president may start with an approval rating below 50% that will still be said president’s high-water mark.
media prints story:
"dude x is ebil nazi but we took away his means of self-defense and by the way here's his address"
this is already happening (minus the gun grabbing) and they're trying to add that last piece now.Replies: @Twinkie, @Audacious Epigone
People on the right who give up their guns are like countries on the US hit list who give up their nuclear weapons. Don’t do it!
How about we not try to goad people into talking about insurgency here, please.
Duh!
Give us a break with some continuity.
Okay.
There seems to be an order of magnitude difference between my comment and what you are thinking.
Besides, Twinkie is not an insurgent type.
He is not goadable and I don’t goad.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/07/aoc-reaches-out-to-white-supremacists-not-too-far-gone-we-will-love-you-back/
They've changed her script writers, with Chakrabarti gone, we're seeing all of this "reach out to cuckservatives" from her that we weren't seeing before.
And barring her base revolting against her, this makes her more dangerous because the average conservative is morally shamed into cucking time and time again.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1158869485463453697Replies: @dfordoom, @notanon, @Audacious Epigone, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
damn.
she’s clearly switched from her indian script writer chakrabarti to a newer, more clever jewish puppet master. i personally believe that this anti-white hysteria is ramping up because indians and south asians have gotten their claws into more high-ranking institutions. unlike the jews, they are arrogant, blind, and publicly hate whitey.
that’s why i love seeing more brown faces on the left. they can’t run shit.
People on the right who give up their guns are like countries on the US hit list who give up their nuclear weapons. Don’t do it!
Duh!
Give us a break with some continuity.
For the individual, yes. I used to think that when they started confiscating the weapons there would be serious violent insurrection (thousands of lone wolves), but I no longer believe that to be true.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
why?
why what?
Are you not entertained?
People who combat insurgents end up learning all the tools of their trade.
I didn't say that you were not capable of insurgency. I said that you weren't going to start one next week.
Double the retail? Looks like a huge arbitrage opportunity! There are people down south who I’m sure I can work with to get things here, Eric Holder-style.
That they will keep coming until you are subdued is a point worth making, I’ll certainly grant you that.
she's clearly switched from her indian script writer chakrabarti to a newer, more clever jewish puppet master. i personally believe that this anti-white hysteria is ramping up because indians and south asians have gotten their claws into more high-ranking institutions. unlike the jews, they are arrogant, blind, and publicly hate whitey.
that's why i love seeing more brown faces on the left. they can't run shit.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
You are a caricature, man.
How many will be prepared to kill as many of the usurpers as they can, whether or not they survive the grab?
Then it becomes a numbers game: do you run out of gun-grabbers before running out of gun owners? It gets even more interesting when the gun-grabbers wind up being shot and firebombed out of their own homes, and having their children shot on playgrounds. That’s a rather serious incentive to quit the job.
I have no idea how this is going to shake out. I do know which side is smarter. If that side is more ruthless, it’s going to win.
Most are needlessly contrarian or have egos that render them uncoachable. A severe lacking in the GSD department. I personally attribute it to a simultaneous drop-off in competent fathers, civic organizations (scouts, ROTC, etc.) and team sports, along with a sharp rise in grade inflation. But that's just me.
The fact of the matter is that younger, moderate-to-conservative white males should be kicking the asses of antifa, university admins, etc, when it comes to organizing. But they aren't. In fact, it's the exact opposite. Across every institution, a bunch of dysfunctional, low IQ freaks are routing them.
What now constitutes victories for conservative, nationalist white men are memes, Proud Boy Larpers, and schizos that shoot up a Walmart. I view Gab basically in the same way I view white guys who say "they will beat the system" by not going to college and becoming lifelong bachelors. It's setting up an echo chamber of low expectations.Replies: @216
Atomization
Lack of an effective Gen X cadre of leaders.
Our problem comes from the top down. The core conservative institutions are run by people that loathe the bulk of conservatives, and who seek moral authority from the left.
This is individually beneficial for many men, and collectively might succeed where political action has failed. Reasoned argument isn’t going to get women to no longer be feminist.
Not if we dissolved current political bonds and ruled over our own country in Redstan. How is this obvious and peaceful* solution ignored by so many? Frankly, I think Boomers will have to go the way of the dinosaur before it happens. What's the old saying about a profession advancing one funeral at a time? It's true, unfortunately. Humans seem to get set in their ways after about 30 and almost nothing you can say to them after that point will change their minds. Many of these people would seemingly rather live in a police state where they self-censor for fear of regime reprisal than consider freedom. What caused the American Revolution was less than that. And it's exactly the kind of thing you were taught in school caused the Pilgrims to emigrate. You know, doing nothing and hoping for the best doesn't have to be the only option. Pointless, directionless violence doesn't have to be, either.
*Yes, I said peaceful. Many red states are the size of entire European countries. If 5-6 red states declared independence in unison, the US federal government wouldn't have the military resources to effectively occupy them forever while also policing the world and running a global empire. They could try conscription, but polls indicate this would be unfavorable and may even cause riots on their home territory; it would also fan the flames in red states further, bringing more to our side - especially if conscripts were radical democrats. Further, pouring all our intellectual efforts into this option would dissipate a lot of the pointless lashing out you've seen in the media lately. It would give people an achievable goal and something to look forward to. It would give them hope.Replies: @dfordoom
Magical thinking alert. “Let’s just assume that we have our own country.”
Aren't you the guy who tried blackpilling my partition option? You can't very well demand other people act if you aren't willing to act yourself. Under partition, all a red state would have to do is to announce its independence and you've won. Of course, it may not really be that simple, but it's a viable strategy. The alternative is to either put your trust in a conman like Donald Trump or to do nothing while whining about other people doing nothing themselves.
How could dissolution happen? All that would be required is that a state GOP disassociate itself from the national party (easy once it becomes clear after 2020 the GOP can't win elections anymore) and then declares itself independent by legislation and the governor's signature. Most red states don't have state referendums, so a state vote wouldn't be required. This is doubly legitimate if a governor explicitly runs on an independence platform and wins. Some federal judge may claim it's unconstitutional, but they'll be discredited in the future after the democrats pack the courts with leftists, and after it becomes clear the GOP will never again get another federal judge appointed themselves; the federal judiciary will soon become heavily politicized and therefore discredited.
Then call out the national guard or a citizen's militia at that point and promise to make a fight of it if they have a problem. They'll back down. They don't have the will to fight and all the polls show it. They also don't have the manpower to physically occupy states the size of some European countries while also policing the entire world / deterring Russia and China ... and white males sympathetic to conservatives make up the overwhelming majority of the special forces and fighter pilots, so they'd have a rebellion behind the lines if they tried anything.
The way I see it, you have three choices: 1) emigrate 2) accept defeat and be oppressed, which seems to be the going stratagem on the right these days - that when they aren't committing senseless acts of violence 3) disassociate and make all your own rules without input from the left-wing. You aren't voting your way out of this in a national election, that's for sure; Trump proved that. And there is no conservative Julius Caesar waiting in the wings to save the day because the American military is disproportionately careerist incompetent yes men these days. I personally am probably the closest you'll ever get to that, so you're in deep trouble if that's who you're waiting for.Replies: @dfordoom
You’re assuming that these state GOP guys will want dissolution. They won’t. You’re talking about the political establishment. They’re winning now. They’re perfectly happy with the way things are. They’re getting all the things they want – tax cuts, wars, lots of money flowing to the military-industrial complex, cheap labour, getting their snouts into the trough.
If you seriously think that a party like the GOP is going to give you what you want then I can’t help you.
I've tried to suggest that some of the common concerns voiced here are actually pretty mainstreamable, for example, as a lawful demonstration in D. C., a "Million Geek March" as I phrased it, or as a faction working within a major party. There's no interest.
President Trump sometimes speaks as though he's read some of the articles and commentary here, but he's a sui generis phenomenon.Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom
But that stuff would be hard work! And there’s no need to do anything that involves hard work when you can just create your own country by wishing really hard.
Yeah, dfordoom, LOL!
Y'know, I "get" that comment sections here or anywhere work as pressure relief valves, staging areas for showboating and grandstanding, rhetorical slap-boxing rings, and what-not. But, as you say, magical thinking solves the problem. So we sometimes have comment threads that are very articulate catalogues of genuinely felt injuries and betrayals, complete with links to articles, references to books, and all that---and that go nowhere.
The Left won the day because it spent decades in the wilderness, compiling a huge literature of spoken and written dissent, and gaining experience that would help them cultivate an eye for political opportunities. They were mostly ineffective crackpots. Until they weren't.
What were we, our parents, and grandparents doing? Riding the crest of American triumphalism, and buying tract homes and new cars, confident that everyone was bloody friggin' happy. Wasn't true.
There's not a lot of mystery to political activism. You gotta do it though. At low levels of organization, such as a bimonthly dinner meeting where people deliver their own papers, maybe a high-schooler keeps a political scrapbook, and that sort of thing, no one is going to run into any trouble from his local establishment.Replies: @iffen
The trouble with ordinary foot soldiers is that they have an entire army behind them. Support weapons (machine guns, mortars, etc). Air support. Drones. Armoured vehicles. Artillery. Incredibly sophisticated command and control systems. Satellite surveillance.
The army ain’t gonna send one foot soldier after you.
Even if it’s only the police you’re potentially going to be facing a dozen or more guys in body armour, armed to the teeth, supported by helicopters and police snipers. They’re going to fire tear gas at you. They’re not going to go away if you shoot at them.
Depends upon the circumstances.
AFAIK the Bundys are still ranching for free on taxpayers' land.Replies: @Mr. Rational
You have nailed it. I've thought the same thing before.
There are all kinds of normal, moderate, mainstream, liberal democratic stuff lying on the ground, just waiting for some group to pick them up and go forward.Replies: @JackOH
“There are all kinds of normal, moderate, mainstream, liberal democratic stuff lying on the ground, just waiting for some group to pick them up and go forward.”
By “liberal” I’ll assume you mean the pre-1930s classical version, and “democratic” in lower case.
Yes. I genuinely believe people have a hard time acting because they’ve been successfully persuaded by our deviant, immoderate, sidetracked, illiberal and undemocratic American politics that, for example, wanting a job that suits your talents and education is not important, or it’s less important than some social engineering project.
The restoration of routine American liberties might be a good watchword; the junk we’re governed by is the radical and oppressive, but you need to do a case-by-case study to see how radical our government actually is.
People who combat insurgents end up learning all the tools of their trade.
I didn’t say that you were not capable of insurgency. I said that you weren’t going to start one next week.
The army ain't gonna send one foot soldier after you.
Even if it's only the police you're potentially going to be facing a dozen or more guys in body armour, armed to the teeth, supported by helicopters and police snipers. They're going to fire tear gas at you. They're not going to go away if you shoot at them.Replies: @iffen
The army ain’t gonna send one foot soldier after you.
Depends upon the circumstances.
AFAIK the Bundys are still ranching for free on taxpayers’ land.
This is an enormous problem for local governments in such areas, because Fed land isn't taxable while private land is.Replies: @iffen
As a general observation, I should note that only stupid insurgents fight against the “ordinary foot soldier.” You don’t fight a boulder with a pebble.
You want to see a modern example of a successful “weak” beating the strong? Read about Michael Collins (Yitzhak Shamir so admired the man that he supposedly code-named himself “Mikhail”).
Collins’ operations probably killed many more Irishmen than the English occupiers. If you control the sea, even a portion of it, as a fish, you don’t have to fight the shark.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/Execution_of_Nguy%E1%BB%85n_V%C4%83n_L%C3%A9m.jpg
The guy on the receiving end of a revolver round had killed a policeman and his wife, mother and 6 children. Hearts and minds aren't only won by handing out candy to kids - the precept "Let them hate, so long as they fear" enunciated by Machiavelli, probably dates back to the first animal that thrust itself to the head of the pack at the expense of injury or death inflicted on its peers, long before humans even existed. Just ask anyone living in Cartelville, Mexico if the prospect of violent death prevents them from providing information to the authorities about cartel crimes. That's part of the reason that reciprocity is a must if an insurgency is to be crushed at minimal cost. Terror must be met with terror.Replies: @Twinkie
Look, when I made my first comments on your idea of dissolution, I tried to persuade you that it was a bad idea to be waving that option in front of people. Now that you have got me examing it, you want to limit the discussion. If Redstan has a 2nd Amendment then some members of Redstan will take it upon themselves to “encourage” POC to leave. You will have to decide what the policy toward gun control will be. Indeed, gun control is on the front burner right now and I don’t see how you can discuss gun control without discussing the possibility (strong likelihood) of gun confiscation. Considering and evaluating the consequences of various actions seems like an intelligent activity to me. I might be wrong about that, I was wrong once before.
You want to see a modern example of a successful “weak” beating the strong? Read about Michael Collins (Yitzhak Shamir so admired the man that he supposedly code-named himself “Mikhail”).
Collins’ operations probably killed many more Irishmen than the English occupiers. If you control the sea, even a portion of it, as a fish, you don’t have to fight the shark.Replies: @iffen, @Johann Ricke
I’ve wondered if we could do a Benedict Option with the God part being optional.
That was probably a viable option twenty years ago. Maybe even ten years ago. Today I can’t see any possibility of that option being permitted. The biggest problem is that you’ll be accused of indoctrinating your kids in nazism, homophobia and toxic masculinity and your kids will be taken away from you.
“But that stuff would be hard work!”
Yeah, dfordoom, LOL!
Y’know, I “get” that comment sections here or anywhere work as pressure relief valves, staging areas for showboating and grandstanding, rhetorical slap-boxing rings, and what-not. But, as you say, magical thinking solves the problem. So we sometimes have comment threads that are very articulate catalogues of genuinely felt injuries and betrayals, complete with links to articles, references to books, and all that—and that go nowhere.
The Left won the day because it spent decades in the wilderness, compiling a huge literature of spoken and written dissent, and gaining experience that would help them cultivate an eye for political opportunities. They were mostly ineffective crackpots. Until they weren’t.
What were we, our parents, and grandparents doing? Riding the crest of American triumphalism, and buying tract homes and new cars, confident that everyone was bloody friggin’ happy. Wasn’t true.
There’s not a lot of mystery to political activism. You gotta do it though. At low levels of organization, such as a bimonthly dinner meeting where people deliver their own papers, maybe a high-schooler keeps a political scrapbook, and that sort of thing, no one is going to run into any trouble from his local establishment.
... He reported to have achieved the requisite number of individual donors to participate in the latter forum, ...
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/02/mike-gravel-end-presidential-campaign-1445250
"Everybody" says that we can't do "it" online, but I'd like to see it tried. I don't see the point in assuming failure without trying.Replies: @JackOH
Depends upon the circumstances.
AFAIK the Bundys are still ranching for free on taxpayers' land.Replies: @Mr. Rational
AFAIK much if not most of this “taxpayer” land was lawfully homesteaded by the first settlers, and FedGov came along afterward and said “you’re just renting”.
This is an enormous problem for local governments in such areas, because Fed land isn’t taxable while private land is.
I don't know about the Western states, but in my state the Feds make payments to local governments in lieu of taxes.
land was lawfully homesteaded
Obviously not with regard to the lawful part.
In the East there was a great deal of squatting. LSS, at the end of the day you have to get some sort of "legal" recognition for your claim.
This is an enormous problem for local governments in such areas, because Fed land isn't taxable while private land is.Replies: @iffen
This is an enormous problem for local governments in such areas
I don’t know about the Western states, but in my state the Feds make payments to local governments in lieu of taxes.
land was lawfully homesteaded
Obviously not with regard to the lawful part.
In the East there was a great deal of squatting. LSS, at the end of the day you have to get some sort of “legal” recognition for your claim.
Yeah, dfordoom, LOL!
Y'know, I "get" that comment sections here or anywhere work as pressure relief valves, staging areas for showboating and grandstanding, rhetorical slap-boxing rings, and what-not. But, as you say, magical thinking solves the problem. So we sometimes have comment threads that are very articulate catalogues of genuinely felt injuries and betrayals, complete with links to articles, references to books, and all that---and that go nowhere.
The Left won the day because it spent decades in the wilderness, compiling a huge literature of spoken and written dissent, and gaining experience that would help them cultivate an eye for political opportunities. They were mostly ineffective crackpots. Until they weren't.
What were we, our parents, and grandparents doing? Riding the crest of American triumphalism, and buying tract homes and new cars, confident that everyone was bloody friggin' happy. Wasn't true.
There's not a lot of mystery to political activism. You gotta do it though. At low levels of organization, such as a bimonthly dinner meeting where people deliver their own papers, maybe a high-schooler keeps a political scrapbook, and that sort of thing, no one is going to run into any trouble from his local establishment.Replies: @iffen
Former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel is ending his quixotic bid for president, which was run by a pair of social media-savvy teenagers.
… He reported to have achieved the requisite number of individual donors to participate in the latter forum, …
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/02/mike-gravel-end-presidential-campaign-1445250
“Everybody” says that we can’t do “it” online, but I’d like to see it tried. I don’t see the point in assuming failure without trying.
I vote Libertarian, so Mike's mojo ain't my cuppa. We've already had our capacity for political thought, feeling, and action badly occluded by government's capacity to conceal private motives within the portmanteau of some critter called "national interest". Example: immigration has our government, much of it, talking "human rights", while immediately downstream is the Roman Catholic Church eager for a sense of purpose and new parishioners, and, more important, corporations seeking pliant, cheap labor. I'm not all worked up about immigration, either, but that's how I'm seeing it. That's but one example.
And, of course, the "trick" to it is that speaking out in opposition has you pegged as a racist. I guess you don't actually need a full-tilt police state to subdue dissidents and ensure that governing elites hold the whip hand.
But, I agree with you that assuming failure in some political enterprise is misguided. Small successes are possible, the learning experience is inestimable, and you can meet some very good people.Replies: @iffen
You want to see a modern example of a successful “weak” beating the strong? Read about Michael Collins (Yitzhak Shamir so admired the man that he supposedly code-named himself “Mikhail”).
Collins’ operations probably killed many more Irishmen than the English occupiers. If you control the sea, even a portion of it, as a fish, you don’t have to fight the shark.Replies: @iffen, @Johann Ricke
That’s a given. This iconic photo from the Vietnam War was not a random event:
The guy on the receiving end of a revolver round had killed a policeman and his wife, mother and 6 children. Hearts and minds aren’t only won by handing out candy to kids – the precept “Let them hate, so long as they fear” enunciated by Machiavelli, probably dates back to the first animal that thrust itself to the head of the pack at the expense of injury or death inflicted on its peers, long before humans even existed. Just ask anyone living in Cartelville, Mexico if the prospect of violent death prevents them from providing information to the authorities about cartel crimes. That’s part of the reason that reciprocity is a must if an insurgency is to be crushed at minimal cost. Terror must be met with terror.
One reason counter-insurgency is so difficult is that insurgents usually retain the initiative and the authorities are generally reactive.
I’m also 100% right lol
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/Execution_of_Nguy%E1%BB%85n_V%C4%83n_L%C3%A9m.jpg
The guy on the receiving end of a revolver round had killed a policeman and his wife, mother and 6 children. Hearts and minds aren't only won by handing out candy to kids - the precept "Let them hate, so long as they fear" enunciated by Machiavelli, probably dates back to the first animal that thrust itself to the head of the pack at the expense of injury or death inflicted on its peers, long before humans even existed. Just ask anyone living in Cartelville, Mexico if the prospect of violent death prevents them from providing information to the authorities about cartel crimes. That's part of the reason that reciprocity is a must if an insurgency is to be crushed at minimal cost. Terror must be met with terror.Replies: @Twinkie
The problem with that idea is that when the strong engages in terror, it creates a lot more resentment than when the weak perpetrates it. Indeed, insurgents often provoke reprisals from their opponents, because the reprisals alienate the general populace more than the acts that provoked the reprisals.
One reason counter-insurgency is so difficult is that insurgents usually retain the initiative and the authorities are generally reactive.
exactly – red team driven out of their homes in blue areas – that’s how it starts.
... He reported to have achieved the requisite number of individual donors to participate in the latter forum, ...
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/02/mike-gravel-end-presidential-campaign-1445250
"Everybody" says that we can't do "it" online, but I'd like to see it tried. I don't see the point in assuming failure without trying.Replies: @JackOH
Former Sen. Gravel? Blast from the past, all right. I didn’t know he was still treading the planet.
I vote Libertarian, so Mike’s mojo ain’t my cuppa. We’ve already had our capacity for political thought, feeling, and action badly occluded by government’s capacity to conceal private motives within the portmanteau of some critter called “national interest”. Example: immigration has our government, much of it, talking “human rights”, while immediately downstream is the Roman Catholic Church eager for a sense of purpose and new parishioners, and, more important, corporations seeking pliant, cheap labor. I’m not all worked up about immigration, either, but that’s how I’m seeing it. That’s but one example.
And, of course, the “trick” to it is that speaking out in opposition has you pegged as a racist. I guess you don’t actually need a full-tilt police state to subdue dissidents and ensure that governing elites hold the whip hand.
But, I agree with you that assuming failure in some political enterprise is misguided. Small successes are possible, the learning experience is inestimable, and you can meet some very good people.
I vote Libertarian, so Mike's mojo ain't my cuppa. We've already had our capacity for political thought, feeling, and action badly occluded by government's capacity to conceal private motives within the portmanteau of some critter called "national interest". Example: immigration has our government, much of it, talking "human rights", while immediately downstream is the Roman Catholic Church eager for a sense of purpose and new parishioners, and, more important, corporations seeking pliant, cheap labor. I'm not all worked up about immigration, either, but that's how I'm seeing it. That's but one example.
And, of course, the "trick" to it is that speaking out in opposition has you pegged as a racist. I guess you don't actually need a full-tilt police state to subdue dissidents and ensure that governing elites hold the whip hand.
But, I agree with you that assuming failure in some political enterprise is misguided. Small successes are possible, the learning experience is inestimable, and you can meet some very good people.Replies: @iffen
It’s going to be a close-run thing.
I’m a compulsive reductionist and I see it as basically a question of whether the Americans who care more about other Americans than all the “others” are out-numbered and defeated by those Americans who have no special place in their heart for other Americans over all others.
Then it becomes a numbers game: do you run out of gun-grabbers before running out of gun owners? It gets even more interesting when the gun-grabbers wind up being shot and firebombed out of their own homes, and having their children shot on playgrounds. That's a rather serious incentive to quit the job.
I have no idea how this is going to shake out. I do know which side is smarter. If that side is more ruthless, it's going to win.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
That sort of martial confiscation is fantasy. The rural population is declining, the white population is declining, the gun-owning population is declining. Why storm the citadel when your siege has it cut off from outside resources?
If you seriously think that a party like the GOP is going to give you what you want then I can't help you.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
We’re also on the precipice of an economic recalibration unlike anything the US has experienced since the 1930s, maybe ever.
Why storm the citadel when your siege has it cut off from outside resources?
Right, it will play out just like the gun owners advocates say it will. First, longer waiting periods, no private sales without background checks, Red Flag laws, assault rifle ban, high count magazine ban, Supreme Court ruling that there is no individual 2nd Amendment right, semi-automatic handgun ban, revolver ban, armories for long guns with waiting period for check-out of weapon, etc., etc.
If you think that you need your weapons for personal protection, that’s a Red Flag!
It’s imprudent to talk about military action against the government in any capacity on a public forum like this one, that’s all.
Judicious discussions of the history and theory of low intensity conflict is perfectly acceptable, no? ;)Replies: @Audacious Epigone
Our government, yes. That’d be treason.
Judicious discussions of the history and theory of low intensity conflict is perfectly acceptable, no? 😉
It’s imprudent to talk about military action against the government
Really? Talking about, not advocating?
I must be dimmer than I thought, because I don’t see what you and Twinkie are driving at. My comment was expressing my opinion that individual resistance (for example, Twinkie’s) might work for a while, but only for him. The point was that violent resistance by individuals is futile and will not do “us” any good.
Judicious discussions of the history and theory of low intensity conflict is perfectly acceptable, no? ;)Replies: @Audacious Epigone
History–yes, of course. Just no agitating for insurgency now.
I must have mistaken your point. I thought you were asking Twinkie to explain in detail how others could resist law enforcement today.
Yup. Anyone who thinks the enemy will just let us carve out a Redstateistan and live there peacefully hasn’t studied history or our enemies.