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In addition to repeatedly pointing out how gun grabbing is a geezer’s game rather than child’s play, another hobby horse is drawing attention to the fact that women are more pro-life and less pro-choice than men are*. In 2018, the GSS asked for the first time about the moral dimension of abortion. Among women with a firm opinion, most think abortion is immoral. Among men with a firm opinion, most do not think it immoral:

Given that women are generally more left-leaning than men are, this is all the more remarkable. Do not be fooled into thinking pussyhats are representative. NAWALT! Really, most women aren’t.

According to the GSS, though, most women (53% of them) who do not think abortion is immoral report experiencing poor mental health over the last month, while the majority of women (also 53% of them) who think abortion is immoral report no mental health issues. Empirically investigating stereotypes is our raison d’etre, don’t forget!

GSS variables used: ABMORAL, SEX, MNTLHLTH(0)(1-30)

* This trend is not as pronounced as the relationship between age and support for gun grabbing is, and some polls find women to be modestly more pro-choice or no less pro-choice than men. To pretend that the issue breaks along gender lines though, as the corporate media so often does, is blatantly dishonest.

 
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  1. I’ve always got the impression that most pro-life activists are men, and women themselves are more likely to be pro-choice.

    • Replies: @Anon
    From where?

    My guess is that your comment confirms AE above: To pretend that the issue breaks along gender lines though, as the corporate media so often does, is blatantly dishonest.

    (I'm not saying you're dishonest, of course; I think my actual meaning is fairly clear once I've stated that point.)
    , @Jay Fink
    You got that impression from the "war on women" propaganda. My impression is that there are more women on both sides of the issue because they are the ones who get pregnant and are more personally invested.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    What is the sex ratio at the annual March for Life in DC? Looking at pictures, it looks pretty even, maybe a little more female than male. Otoh, the pussy hat marches are more female-skewed than that.
  2. anon[415] • Disclaimer says:

    So, what: men are more likely to want to preserve abortion as a last-ditch way to get out of parenthood? Or men think women like abortion, and that they’ll get more pussy if they say they do too? Or men are just true believers in whatever gay nonsense comes down from Gay Nonsense Central?

    • Replies: @SFG
    You've got a 2-5 point gap. I wouldn't make too much out of any explanation.
  3. People not doing what the MSM say they do? That’s why we need a new people.

  4. I saw a survey a couple of years ago where the gap was significantly larger. It was from the UK, I think.

  5. Of course, the question never asked by the poll-takers is:

    “ Should everybody be forced to pay for someone else’s abortions, or not?”

    Regards,onebornfree

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    That's chump change, OBF, compared to the new genderbender nonsense. Do you know how much a big hospital bills for an addadictome nowadays?
    , @Anonymous
    Yes, I want to pay for low IQ prole womens' abortions.

    Practically every woman who gets one is either a teen girl, poor. uneducated, low IQ, mentally ill, or not married. The men who sired their fetuses aren't any better. It's a small price to pay to make sure these people never reproduce.

    Every dollar the government takes from me to pay for a prole moron's abortion saves me up to a hundred dollars in paying for their bastard spawn's welfare, food stamps, public housing project, and eventually juvie.
    , @Jay Fink
    Yes I would like to pay for it. It's a good value compared to Medicaid funding the birth, WIC, food stamps, welfare, free medical, free school lunches etc not to mention the massive tax credits the mother will get each year where they make bank with an unearned tax refund. If they are a boy child we will likely pay for their prison stay. If it's a girl child they will likely repeat the cycle and we will have to pay for their illegitimate children all from different baby daddies.
  6. The numbers are pretty close together though – 2 to 4 percentage points.

    Anyway, I’d guess a big majority of the women morally opposed to abortion are actually emotionally opposed to abortion. They’ve seen the little ones growing up inside them in the ultrasound pictures. Some have had miscarriages and felt the pain that one wouldn’t have for the death of, say, a clump of amoebas in the bathroom sink.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    As skeptical of these polls as I am (without controlling for demographics these polls are almost entirely useless IMO), isn't 2-4% within the acceptable margin of error?
  7. @Onebornfree
    Of course, the question never asked by the poll-takers is:

    “ Should everybody be forced to pay for someone else’s abortions, or not?”

    Regards,onebornfree

    That’s chump change, OBF, compared to the new genderbender nonsense. Do you know how much a big hospital bills for an addadictome nowadays?

    • Replies: @Onebornfree
    No, but since : “The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.” [Frederic Bastiat] , so nothing would surprise me.

    Regards, onebornfree
  8. Everyone knows that men are the primary drivers of abortion. Men love to be able to be irresponsible with their penis, fuck everything that walks, without a condom, and then pressure the poor woman into having an abortion (emotionally traumatizing her for life, but at least the man doesn’t have to engage in his manly duty).

    Women are followers of men. Regardless of what the feminists, and “redpill” people say. Women have little agency and will generally do what they are directed to do. If the man pushes to keep the unplanned pregnancy, it’s likely the woman will keep it.

    Since men are the head of society, it’s men’s job to keep the hoeing to a minimum. If every man put his dick away and said “nuh uh, not unless you marry me”, women would stop being hoes and the abortion rate would plummet. However, given the white man’s (and now all races) greed and hedonism, this vicious cycle will continue until we are taken over by Muslims, Mormons, or Mennonites (the three M’s). Married people have, on average, more sex and more children than single people, BTW. Hookup culture is a lie.

    BTW – I believe the “decreasing abortion rate” is a complete lie. Young women take Plan B like candy. If you include Plan B the abortion rate is higher than ever.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Women are followers of men. Regardless of what the feminists, and “redpill” people say. Women have little agency and will generally do what they are directed to do. If the man pushes to keep the unplanned pregnancy, it’s likely the woman will keep it.
     
    I don't understand the claim that women have "little agency," but I know that if women disregarded men's wishes WRT unplanned pregnancies, no doubt that would be used as evidence of how evil and conniving we are. In any event, I suspect that most women would generally prefer to continue their pregnancies if the father is supportive. It's unfortunate that we don't have any data on the issue.

    One thing I am fairly certain of is that the futile pro-life movement has sucked up the entirety of conservative women's activist efforts over the past several decades. Like the right in general, there is a tendency to focus on legalities rather than culture. The Left knows better, and that's why they win.

    In other news, evil Beckys are dictating to women of color, telling them not to kill their unborn:


    The role of white women — long key players in dictating and constraining the reproductive choices of others — is too often discounted and overlooked, experts say. In 2019, new abortion restrictions were passed in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana after white women co-sponsored them, many voted for them and in one state, signed the changes into law. (In those four state legislatures, 48 women — almost all of them white — voted for the restrictions.)
     
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/it-s-not-just-men-white-conservative-women-have-played-n1038746

    Susan B. Anthony:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/71/de/1571dec40cfd9914d4dcc75f49ecc01c.png

    , @MBlanc46
    Men are the head of society? In some other possible world, maybe.
  9. It used to be common knowledge.

    There’s a well-known George Carlin joke he told throughout the ’70s and ’80s about how pro-lifers are “people you wouldn’t fuck in the first place.”

    When he told it in the ’70s they were “women you wouldn’t fuck.”

    Then he got a talking-to. We all did.

  10. Isn’t it a direct relationship between age and support for gun grabbing.? Higher age, higher support for gun control.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Isn’t it a direct relationship between age and support for gun grabbing.? Higher age, higher support for gun control
     
    .

    This makes no sense. The higher the age, the whiter the population. So young people of color are the future of the NRA?

    This claim merits more scrutiny. Where is our Snopes?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Yes, among both whites and non-whites, Republicans and Democrats, that's the trend.
  11. @Achmed E. Newman
    That's chump change, OBF, compared to the new genderbender nonsense. Do you know how much a big hospital bills for an addadictome nowadays?

    No, but since : “The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.” [Frederic Bastiat] , so nothing would surprise me.

    Regards, onebornfree

  12. What is even worse than abortion is deliberately bringing someone into this world run by sadistic predatory beasts that will exert fascist control, torture, terrorize, and steal from someone for their entire lives!

    Hosts for the parasites!

    • Replies: @Onebornfree
    What’s even worse than that is state funded abortions where the child is kept alive [for days] post birth,[kept “comfortable” in a secret ward],then murdered so it’s vital parts/organs can be sold for enormous profits for all concerned. All funded with your money. And it’s a lot more common than you might think.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTopSKo1xs

    Regards,onebornfree
    , @Audacious Epigone
    So that's it, it all ends with us? Your ancestors and mine did a lot more with a lot less.
  13. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I've always got the impression that most pro-life activists are men, and women themselves are more likely to be pro-choice.

    From where?

    My guess is that your comment confirms AE above: To pretend that the issue breaks along gender lines though, as the corporate media so often does, is blatantly dishonest.

    (I’m not saying you’re dishonest, of course; I think my actual meaning is fairly clear once I’ve stated that point.)

  14. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Everyone knows that men are the primary drivers of abortion. Men love to be able to be irresponsible with their penis, fuck everything that walks, without a condom, and then pressure the poor woman into having an abortion (emotionally traumatizing her for life, but at least the man doesn't have to engage in his manly duty).

    Women are followers of men. Regardless of what the feminists, and "redpill" people say. Women have little agency and will generally do what they are directed to do. If the man pushes to keep the unplanned pregnancy, it's likely the woman will keep it.

    Since men are the head of society, it's men's job to keep the hoeing to a minimum. If every man put his dick away and said "nuh uh, not unless you marry me", women would stop being hoes and the abortion rate would plummet. However, given the white man's (and now all races) greed and hedonism, this vicious cycle will continue until we are taken over by Muslims, Mormons, or Mennonites (the three M's). Married people have, on average, more sex and more children than single people, BTW. Hookup culture is a lie.

    BTW - I believe the "decreasing abortion rate" is a complete lie. Young women take Plan B like candy. If you include Plan B the abortion rate is higher than ever.

    Women are followers of men. Regardless of what the feminists, and “redpill” people say. Women have little agency and will generally do what they are directed to do. If the man pushes to keep the unplanned pregnancy, it’s likely the woman will keep it.

    I don’t understand the claim that women have “little agency,” but I know that if women disregarded men’s wishes WRT unplanned pregnancies, no doubt that would be used as evidence of how evil and conniving we are. In any event, I suspect that most women would generally prefer to continue their pregnancies if the father is supportive. It’s unfortunate that we don’t have any data on the issue.

    One thing I am fairly certain of is that the futile pro-life movement has sucked up the entirety of conservative women’s activist efforts over the past several decades. Like the right in general, there is a tendency to focus on legalities rather than culture. The Left knows better, and that’s why they win.

    In other news, evil Beckys are dictating to women of color, telling them not to kill their unborn:

    The role of white women — long key players in dictating and constraining the reproductive choices of others — is too often discounted and overlooked, experts say. In 2019, new abortion restrictions were passed in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana after white women co-sponsored them, many voted for them and in one state, signed the changes into law. (In those four state legislatures, 48 women — almost all of them white — voted for the restrictions.)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/it-s-not-just-men-white-conservative-women-have-played-n1038746

    Susan B. Anthony:

    • Replies: @Anon

    I don’t understand the claim that women have “little agency,” but I know that if women disregarded men’s wishes WRT unplanned pregnancies, no doubt that would be used as evidence of how evil and conniving we are.
     
    If your opinion on whether or not to commit what you think of as murder, or to think it murder, is determined based on your suspicions of under what circumstances others would consider you "evil and conniving", that would be a pretty good case for your having little agency.

    What is meant by "little agency" is a weak will, or a tendency to follow the dictates of others.

    There are of course situations where a necessary subjection of a will not necessarily weak can probably reasonably be described as a lack of agency, as in the case of a soldier under orders.

    Of course in general I distrust the claim that women have little agency (though, perhaps, women in the position of deciding in this set of circumstances may not be particularly selected for their strong wills).
    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Regardless of what the feminists, and “redpill” people say.

     

    I don't think you understand what the "redpill" people say about women.

    The basic argument of the "redpill" people is that women are, indeed, followers of men by nature, but that, because government and (((society))) conspire to "liberate" women, we end up in our current situation, where (feminist) women claim to be able to lead themselves but rather follow norms created by unscrupulous rich men (who wanted to make better profits by selling lots of consumables to women) and exploited by a small number of "alpha males."

    The feminists do indeed argue that women aren't followers of men. But that is not really what the "redpill" people say.
    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    I realize I replied to you by mistake. I was replying to the quote from the Quebecker guy.
    , @SFG
    "Like the right in general, there is a tendency to focus on legalities rather than culture. "

    I think it's more of a matter of playing to your strengths. Artists tend to lean left, at least in part because they don't make a lot of money.
  15. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Women are followers of men. Regardless of what the feminists, and “redpill” people say. Women have little agency and will generally do what they are directed to do. If the man pushes to keep the unplanned pregnancy, it’s likely the woman will keep it.
     
    I don't understand the claim that women have "little agency," but I know that if women disregarded men's wishes WRT unplanned pregnancies, no doubt that would be used as evidence of how evil and conniving we are. In any event, I suspect that most women would generally prefer to continue their pregnancies if the father is supportive. It's unfortunate that we don't have any data on the issue.

    One thing I am fairly certain of is that the futile pro-life movement has sucked up the entirety of conservative women's activist efforts over the past several decades. Like the right in general, there is a tendency to focus on legalities rather than culture. The Left knows better, and that's why they win.

    In other news, evil Beckys are dictating to women of color, telling them not to kill their unborn:


    The role of white women — long key players in dictating and constraining the reproductive choices of others — is too often discounted and overlooked, experts say. In 2019, new abortion restrictions were passed in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana after white women co-sponsored them, many voted for them and in one state, signed the changes into law. (In those four state legislatures, 48 women — almost all of them white — voted for the restrictions.)
     
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/it-s-not-just-men-white-conservative-women-have-played-n1038746

    Susan B. Anthony:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/71/de/1571dec40cfd9914d4dcc75f49ecc01c.png

    I don’t understand the claim that women have “little agency,” but I know that if women disregarded men’s wishes WRT unplanned pregnancies, no doubt that would be used as evidence of how evil and conniving we are.

    If your opinion on whether or not to commit what you think of as murder, or to think it murder, is determined based on your suspicions of under what circumstances others would consider you “evil and conniving”, that would be a pretty good case for your having little agency.

    What is meant by “little agency” is a weak will, or a tendency to follow the dictates of others.

    There are of course situations where a necessary subjection of a will not necessarily weak can probably reasonably be described as a lack of agency, as in the case of a soldier under orders.

    Of course in general I distrust the claim that women have little agency (though, perhaps, women in the position of deciding in this set of circumstances may not be particularly selected for their strong wills).

    • Replies: @Rosie

    If your opinion on whether or not to commit what you think of as murder, or to think it murder, is determined based on your suspicions of under what circumstances others would consider you “evil and conniving”, that would be a pretty good case for your having little agency.
     
    I don't think most women, or indeed much of anyone, thinks early abortion is "murder." That is just rhetorical hyperbole.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    Of course in general I distrust the claim that women have little agency
     
    Anybody who's been married for longer than six months, or raised a teenage daughter, or worked in a customer service position, will readily confirm the fact that women have plenty of agency. That kind of stupid shit is one of the reasons why it's so hard to take the Alt-Right seriously sometimes.
  16. @Achmed E. Newman
    The numbers are pretty close together though - 2 to 4 percentage points.

    Anyway, I'd guess a big majority of the women morally opposed to abortion are actually emotionally opposed to abortion. They've seen the little ones growing up inside them in the ultrasound pictures. Some have had miscarriages and felt the pain that one wouldn't have for the death of, say, a clump of amoebas in the bathroom sink.

    As skeptical of these polls as I am (without controlling for demographics these polls are almost entirely useless IMO), isn’t 2-4% within the acceptable margin of error?

  17. @Rebel0007
    What is even worse than abortion is deliberately bringing someone into this world run by sadistic predatory beasts that will exert fascist control, torture, terrorize, and steal from someone for their entire lives!

    Hosts for the parasites!

    What’s even worse than that is state funded abortions where the child is kept alive [for days] post birth,[kept “comfortable” in a secret ward],then murdered so it’s vital parts/organs can be sold for enormous profits for all concerned. All funded with your money. And it’s a lot more common than you might think.

    Regards,onebornfree

  18. @Rosie

    Women are followers of men. Regardless of what the feminists, and “redpill” people say. Women have little agency and will generally do what they are directed to do. If the man pushes to keep the unplanned pregnancy, it’s likely the woman will keep it.
     
    I don't understand the claim that women have "little agency," but I know that if women disregarded men's wishes WRT unplanned pregnancies, no doubt that would be used as evidence of how evil and conniving we are. In any event, I suspect that most women would generally prefer to continue their pregnancies if the father is supportive. It's unfortunate that we don't have any data on the issue.

    One thing I am fairly certain of is that the futile pro-life movement has sucked up the entirety of conservative women's activist efforts over the past several decades. Like the right in general, there is a tendency to focus on legalities rather than culture. The Left knows better, and that's why they win.

    In other news, evil Beckys are dictating to women of color, telling them not to kill their unborn:


    The role of white women — long key players in dictating and constraining the reproductive choices of others — is too often discounted and overlooked, experts say. In 2019, new abortion restrictions were passed in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana after white women co-sponsored them, many voted for them and in one state, signed the changes into law. (In those four state legislatures, 48 women — almost all of them white — voted for the restrictions.)
     
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/it-s-not-just-men-white-conservative-women-have-played-n1038746

    Susan B. Anthony:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/71/de/1571dec40cfd9914d4dcc75f49ecc01c.png

    Regardless of what the feminists, and “redpill” people say.

    I don’t think you understand what the “redpill” people say about women.

    The basic argument of the “redpill” people is that women are, indeed, followers of men by nature, but that, because government and (((society))) conspire to “liberate” women, we end up in our current situation, where (feminist) women claim to be able to lead themselves but rather follow norms created by unscrupulous rich men (who wanted to make better profits by selling lots of consumables to women) and exploited by a small number of “alpha males.”

    The feminists do indeed argue that women aren’t followers of men. But that is not really what the “redpill” people say.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Redpill people say that women are hoes and they get what they deserve. They laugh at the "roasties" as they hit 40 with no children. They say "ok you want to be independant be independant and fuck you".

    This is the wrong mentality.
  19. To all men who read this…

    Regarding the subject of men and abortion, you aren’t a real man (yet) if you don’t recognize this man by his picture:

  20. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Onebornfree
    Of course, the question never asked by the poll-takers is:

    “ Should everybody be forced to pay for someone else’s abortions, or not?”

    Regards,onebornfree

    Yes, I want to pay for low IQ prole womens’ abortions.

    Practically every woman who gets one is either a teen girl, poor. uneducated, low IQ, mentally ill, or not married. The men who sired their fetuses aren’t any better. It’s a small price to pay to make sure these people never reproduce.

    Every dollar the government takes from me to pay for a prole moron’s abortion saves me up to a hundred dollars in paying for their bastard spawn’s welfare, food stamps, public housing project, and eventually juvie.

    • Replies: @Onebornfree
    “Yes, I want to pay for low IQ prole womens’ abortions.”

    What you might want is irrelevant, you silly person. You have no choice. You along with millions of others, are being compelled [at the point of a gun] to pay for abortions, along with welfare, food stamps, and a whole lot more besides [war for example].

    “ regards” onebornfree
  21. @Rosie

    Women are followers of men. Regardless of what the feminists, and “redpill” people say. Women have little agency and will generally do what they are directed to do. If the man pushes to keep the unplanned pregnancy, it’s likely the woman will keep it.
     
    I don't understand the claim that women have "little agency," but I know that if women disregarded men's wishes WRT unplanned pregnancies, no doubt that would be used as evidence of how evil and conniving we are. In any event, I suspect that most women would generally prefer to continue their pregnancies if the father is supportive. It's unfortunate that we don't have any data on the issue.

    One thing I am fairly certain of is that the futile pro-life movement has sucked up the entirety of conservative women's activist efforts over the past several decades. Like the right in general, there is a tendency to focus on legalities rather than culture. The Left knows better, and that's why they win.

    In other news, evil Beckys are dictating to women of color, telling them not to kill their unborn:


    The role of white women — long key players in dictating and constraining the reproductive choices of others — is too often discounted and overlooked, experts say. In 2019, new abortion restrictions were passed in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana after white women co-sponsored them, many voted for them and in one state, signed the changes into law. (In those four state legislatures, 48 women — almost all of them white — voted for the restrictions.)
     
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/it-s-not-just-men-white-conservative-women-have-played-n1038746

    Susan B. Anthony:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/71/de/1571dec40cfd9914d4dcc75f49ecc01c.png

    I realize I replied to you by mistake. I was replying to the quote from the Quebecker guy.

  22. My cousin died because they couldn’t find a judge quick enough (on the golf links) to OK an abortion to save her life.

    Fuck you, you dirty, stinking, vile, sub-human murdering anti-abortionists. May you rot in hell.

  23. You will find out how pro-choice Catholic hospitals are if you don’t have insurance, and ask in advance for help in payments. Call them and tell them that you are pregnant and can’t get insurance and see if they are willing to waive the bill.

    • Replies: @anon
    You will find out how pro-choice Catholic hospitals are if you don’t have insurance, and ask in advance for help in payments. Call them and tell them that you are pregnant and can’t get insurance and see if they are willing to waive the bill.

    Pretty sure that Catholic hospitals don't do abortions, so any issue about insurance or the bill would be moot. But I could be wrong. Maybe you could cite some reality, like name a hospital or two?

    The quality of trolls is clearly in decline.
  24. @Anon

    I don’t understand the claim that women have “little agency,” but I know that if women disregarded men’s wishes WRT unplanned pregnancies, no doubt that would be used as evidence of how evil and conniving we are.
     
    If your opinion on whether or not to commit what you think of as murder, or to think it murder, is determined based on your suspicions of under what circumstances others would consider you "evil and conniving", that would be a pretty good case for your having little agency.

    What is meant by "little agency" is a weak will, or a tendency to follow the dictates of others.

    There are of course situations where a necessary subjection of a will not necessarily weak can probably reasonably be described as a lack of agency, as in the case of a soldier under orders.

    Of course in general I distrust the claim that women have little agency (though, perhaps, women in the position of deciding in this set of circumstances may not be particularly selected for their strong wills).

    If your opinion on whether or not to commit what you think of as murder, or to think it murder, is determined based on your suspicions of under what circumstances others would consider you “evil and conniving”, that would be a pretty good case for your having little agency.

    I don’t think most women, or indeed much of anyone, thinks early abortion is “murder.” That is just rhetorical hyperbole.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Note that I said whether ... to think it murder.

    Anyway, re I don’t think ... much of anyone, you think wrong.

  25. @Rosie

    If your opinion on whether or not to commit what you think of as murder, or to think it murder, is determined based on your suspicions of under what circumstances others would consider you “evil and conniving”, that would be a pretty good case for your having little agency.
     
    I don't think most women, or indeed much of anyone, thinks early abortion is "murder." That is just rhetorical hyperbole.

    Note that I said whether … to think it murder.

    Anyway, re I don’t think … much of anyone, you think wrong.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Note that I said whether … to think it murder.
     
    Fine, but what makes you think women do that?

    you think wrong.
     
    Nonsense. If these people really thought abortion was murder, they'd be blowing up abortion clinics. Of course, that doesn't mean they don't think it's immoral and perverse. They just don't think killing a first-trimester fetus is the same as killing a child.
  26. @Anon
    Note that I said whether ... to think it murder.

    Anyway, re I don’t think ... much of anyone, you think wrong.

    Note that I said whether … to think it murder.

    Fine, but what makes you think women do that?

    you think wrong.

    Nonsense. If these people really thought abortion was murder, they’d be blowing up abortion clinics. Of course, that doesn’t mean they don’t think it’s immoral and perverse. They just don’t think killing a first-trimester fetus is the same as killing a child.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Nonsense. If these people really thought abortion was murder, they’d be blowing up abortion clinics.
     
    Yah and if you really thought arranged marriage was rape you'd have dynamited the offices of shaadi.com by now. (Actually that's a bad example because that case really is just a rhetorical exaggeration).

    Anyway, joking aside, could you give us a law code on when and for what crimes random private citizens are authorized to conduct private executions? (Or don't, actually, because that might be incitement to terrorism.)

    Fine, but what makes you think women do that?
     
    Given that it's just a hypothetical, we can locate it in 1998 when a large proportion of people thought so: https://news.gallup.com/poll/9904/public-opinion-about-abortion-indepth-review.aspx

    I used this poll because it was the first one I found, there are probably ones for more recent years.
  27. I am not sure I can support the contend that more find murdering children in the womb objectionable based the caveat:

    “it depends”

    that hardly an endorsement that women find the measure objectionable.

  28. Obwandiyag, even if everything you say is true, your cousin vs 50 million murdered babies, I know which one I choose.

  29. My cousin died because they couldn’t find a judge quick enough (on the golf links) to OK an abortion to save her life.

    So you’re like, oh, 80 years old? That would explain some things, such as hallucinations.

    By the way, which golf course was this?

  30. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rebel0007
    You will find out how pro-choice Catholic hospitals are if you don't have insurance, and ask in advance for help in payments. Call them and tell them that you are pregnant and can't get insurance and see if they are willing to waive the bill.

    You will find out how pro-choice Catholic hospitals are if you don’t have insurance, and ask in advance for help in payments. Call them and tell them that you are pregnant and can’t get insurance and see if they are willing to waive the bill.

    Pretty sure that Catholic hospitals don’t do abortions, so any issue about insurance or the bill would be moot. But I could be wrong. Maybe you could cite some reality, like name a hospital or two?

    The quality of trolls is clearly in decline.

  31. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Everyone knows that men are the primary drivers of abortion. Men love to be able to be irresponsible with their penis, fuck everything that walks, without a condom, and then pressure the poor woman into having an abortion (emotionally traumatizing her for life, but at least the man doesn't have to engage in his manly duty).

    Women are followers of men. Regardless of what the feminists, and "redpill" people say. Women have little agency and will generally do what they are directed to do. If the man pushes to keep the unplanned pregnancy, it's likely the woman will keep it.

    Since men are the head of society, it's men's job to keep the hoeing to a minimum. If every man put his dick away and said "nuh uh, not unless you marry me", women would stop being hoes and the abortion rate would plummet. However, given the white man's (and now all races) greed and hedonism, this vicious cycle will continue until we are taken over by Muslims, Mormons, or Mennonites (the three M's). Married people have, on average, more sex and more children than single people, BTW. Hookup culture is a lie.

    BTW - I believe the "decreasing abortion rate" is a complete lie. Young women take Plan B like candy. If you include Plan B the abortion rate is higher than ever.

    Men are the head of society? In some other possible world, maybe.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    We are, we just failed to maintain that role. Women by nature want freedom and promiscuity. But they can't handle it. Men need to be firm and reign in that desire.
  32. As it’s a Get Out of Jail Free card for women, it’s hardly surprising that women favor it more than men do.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    As it’s a Get Out of Jail Free card for women, it’s hardly surprising that women favor it more than men do.
     
    Did you read the post?
  33. @Anon

    I don’t understand the claim that women have “little agency,” but I know that if women disregarded men’s wishes WRT unplanned pregnancies, no doubt that would be used as evidence of how evil and conniving we are.
     
    If your opinion on whether or not to commit what you think of as murder, or to think it murder, is determined based on your suspicions of under what circumstances others would consider you "evil and conniving", that would be a pretty good case for your having little agency.

    What is meant by "little agency" is a weak will, or a tendency to follow the dictates of others.

    There are of course situations where a necessary subjection of a will not necessarily weak can probably reasonably be described as a lack of agency, as in the case of a soldier under orders.

    Of course in general I distrust the claim that women have little agency (though, perhaps, women in the position of deciding in this set of circumstances may not be particularly selected for their strong wills).

    Of course in general I distrust the claim that women have little agency

    Anybody who’s been married for longer than six months, or raised a teenage daughter, or worked in a customer service position, will readily confirm the fact that women have plenty of agency. That kind of stupid shit is one of the reasons why it’s so hard to take the Alt-Right seriously sometimes.

  34. @MBlanc46
    As it’s a Get Out of Jail Free card for women, it’s hardly surprising that women favor it more than men do.

    As it’s a Get Out of Jail Free card for women, it’s hardly surprising that women favor it more than men do.

    Did you read the post?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    This one got caught pretty red-handed, but the number of commenters here who just spout off without bothering to read or understand anything is surely not limited to just the obvious solecisms.
  35. @Anonymous
    Yes, I want to pay for low IQ prole womens' abortions.

    Practically every woman who gets one is either a teen girl, poor. uneducated, low IQ, mentally ill, or not married. The men who sired their fetuses aren't any better. It's a small price to pay to make sure these people never reproduce.

    Every dollar the government takes from me to pay for a prole moron's abortion saves me up to a hundred dollars in paying for their bastard spawn's welfare, food stamps, public housing project, and eventually juvie.

    “Yes, I want to pay for low IQ prole womens’ abortions.”

    What you might want is irrelevant, you silly person. You have no choice. You along with millions of others, are being compelled [at the point of a gun] to pay for abortions, along with welfare, food stamps, and a whole lot more besides [war for example].

    “ regards” onebornfree

  36. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Regardless of what the feminists, and “redpill” people say.

     

    I don't think you understand what the "redpill" people say about women.

    The basic argument of the "redpill" people is that women are, indeed, followers of men by nature, but that, because government and (((society))) conspire to "liberate" women, we end up in our current situation, where (feminist) women claim to be able to lead themselves but rather follow norms created by unscrupulous rich men (who wanted to make better profits by selling lots of consumables to women) and exploited by a small number of "alpha males."

    The feminists do indeed argue that women aren't followers of men. But that is not really what the "redpill" people say.

    Redpill people say that women are hoes and they get what they deserve. They laugh at the “roasties” as they hit 40 with no children. They say “ok you want to be independant be independant and fuck you”.

    This is the wrong mentality.

  37. @MBlanc46
    Men are the head of society? In some other possible world, maybe.

    We are, we just failed to maintain that role. Women by nature want freedom and promiscuity. But they can’t handle it. Men need to be firm and reign in that desire.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Women by nature want freedom and promiscuity.
     
    https://www.zacharyfeder.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-10-16-at-12.57.14-PM.png
    , @MBlanc46
    You mean, then, “We were....” We used to have some leverage, at least. Now it’s an almost complete gynocracy.
  38. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    We are, we just failed to maintain that role. Women by nature want freedom and promiscuity. But they can't handle it. Men need to be firm and reign in that desire.

    Women by nature want freedom and promiscuity.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Yeah, women's porn (romance novels) shows them locking down a high-value man for good. Men's porn (porn) shows them sleeping with a wide variety of women.

    There's a small fraction of women who want 'freedom and promiscuity' and write about it in the NYT, but that's the exception.
  39. @anon
    So, what: men are more likely to want to preserve abortion as a last-ditch way to get out of parenthood? Or men think women like abortion, and that they'll get more pussy if they say they do too? Or men are just true believers in whatever gay nonsense comes down from Gay Nonsense Central?

    You’ve got a 2-5 point gap. I wouldn’t make too much out of any explanation.

  40. @Rosie

    Women by nature want freedom and promiscuity.
     
    https://www.zacharyfeder.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-10-16-at-12.57.14-PM.png

    Yeah, women’s porn (romance novels) shows them locking down a high-value man for good. Men’s porn (porn) shows them sleeping with a wide variety of women.

    There’s a small fraction of women who want ‘freedom and promiscuity’ and write about it in the NYT, but that’s the exception.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  41. @Rosie

    Women are followers of men. Regardless of what the feminists, and “redpill” people say. Women have little agency and will generally do what they are directed to do. If the man pushes to keep the unplanned pregnancy, it’s likely the woman will keep it.
     
    I don't understand the claim that women have "little agency," but I know that if women disregarded men's wishes WRT unplanned pregnancies, no doubt that would be used as evidence of how evil and conniving we are. In any event, I suspect that most women would generally prefer to continue their pregnancies if the father is supportive. It's unfortunate that we don't have any data on the issue.

    One thing I am fairly certain of is that the futile pro-life movement has sucked up the entirety of conservative women's activist efforts over the past several decades. Like the right in general, there is a tendency to focus on legalities rather than culture. The Left knows better, and that's why they win.

    In other news, evil Beckys are dictating to women of color, telling them not to kill their unborn:


    The role of white women — long key players in dictating and constraining the reproductive choices of others — is too often discounted and overlooked, experts say. In 2019, new abortion restrictions were passed in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana after white women co-sponsored them, many voted for them and in one state, signed the changes into law. (In those four state legislatures, 48 women — almost all of them white — voted for the restrictions.)
     
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/it-s-not-just-men-white-conservative-women-have-played-n1038746

    Susan B. Anthony:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/71/de/1571dec40cfd9914d4dcc75f49ecc01c.png

    “Like the right in general, there is a tendency to focus on legalities rather than culture. ”

    I think it’s more of a matter of playing to your strengths. Artists tend to lean left, at least in part because they don’t make a lot of money.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Artists tend to lean left, at least in part because they don’t make a lot of money.
     
    And the ones who do get there more by luck than by skill. Charlton Heston made this argument about actors' politics.
  42. @Anonymous
    I've always got the impression that most pro-life activists are men, and women themselves are more likely to be pro-choice.

    You got that impression from the “war on women” propaganda. My impression is that there are more women on both sides of the issue because they are the ones who get pregnant and are more personally invested.

  43. @Onebornfree
    Of course, the question never asked by the poll-takers is:

    “ Should everybody be forced to pay for someone else’s abortions, or not?”

    Regards,onebornfree

    Yes I would like to pay for it. It’s a good value compared to Medicaid funding the birth, WIC, food stamps, welfare, free medical, free school lunches etc not to mention the massive tax credits the mother will get each year where they make bank with an unearned tax refund. If they are a boy child we will likely pay for their prison stay. If it’s a girl child they will likely repeat the cycle and we will have to pay for their illegitimate children all from different baby daddies.

    • Replies: @Onebornfree
    Jay Fink says: “Yes I would like to pay for it”.

    You are already forced, at the point of a gun, to pay for it, you mindless dim-bulb slave, 😂 , so whether or not you “would like to pay for it” IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT! You HAVE to pay, you ARE ALREADY paying for it, there is NO personal choice involved!

    It ain’t rocket science for chrissakes!

    “Regards” onebornfree
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Yes I would like to pay for it. It’s a good value compared to Medicaid funding the birth, WIC, food stamps, welfare, free medical, free school lunches etc not to mention the massive tax credits the mother will get each year where they make bank with an unearned tax refund. If they are a boy child we will likely pay for their prison
     
    There was a lot less of this when abortion was illegal. Another broken promise of the pro-choicers.
  44. @Jay Fink
    Yes I would like to pay for it. It's a good value compared to Medicaid funding the birth, WIC, food stamps, welfare, free medical, free school lunches etc not to mention the massive tax credits the mother will get each year where they make bank with an unearned tax refund. If they are a boy child we will likely pay for their prison stay. If it's a girl child they will likely repeat the cycle and we will have to pay for their illegitimate children all from different baby daddies.

    Jay Fink says: “Yes I would like to pay for it”.

    You are already forced, at the point of a gun, to pay for it, you mindless dim-bulb slave, 😂 , so whether or not you “would like to pay for it” IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT! You HAVE to pay, you ARE ALREADY paying for it, there is NO personal choice involved!

    It ain’t rocket science for chrissakes!

    “Regards” onebornfree

  45. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    We are, we just failed to maintain that role. Women by nature want freedom and promiscuity. But they can't handle it. Men need to be firm and reign in that desire.

    You mean, then, “We were….” We used to have some leverage, at least. Now it’s an almost complete gynocracy.

  46. @Rosie

    As it’s a Get Out of Jail Free card for women, it’s hardly surprising that women favor it more than men do.
     
    Did you read the post?

    This one got caught pretty red-handed, but the number of commenters here who just spout off without bothering to read or understand anything is surely not limited to just the obvious solecisms.

  47. @Jay Fink
    Yes I would like to pay for it. It's a good value compared to Medicaid funding the birth, WIC, food stamps, welfare, free medical, free school lunches etc not to mention the massive tax credits the mother will get each year where they make bank with an unearned tax refund. If they are a boy child we will likely pay for their prison stay. If it's a girl child they will likely repeat the cycle and we will have to pay for their illegitimate children all from different baby daddies.

    Yes I would like to pay for it. It’s a good value compared to Medicaid funding the birth, WIC, food stamps, welfare, free medical, free school lunches etc not to mention the massive tax credits the mother will get each year where they make bank with an unearned tax refund. If they are a boy child we will likely pay for their prison

    There was a lot less of this when abortion was illegal. Another broken promise of the pro-choicers.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    That is a good point but hasn't the abortion rate gone down compared to say 30 years ago? If so, it could be argued all the things I mentioned increased as abortion has been in decline.
  48. @SFG
    "Like the right in general, there is a tendency to focus on legalities rather than culture. "

    I think it's more of a matter of playing to your strengths. Artists tend to lean left, at least in part because they don't make a lot of money.

    Artists tend to lean left, at least in part because they don’t make a lot of money.

    And the ones who do get there more by luck than by skill. Charlton Heston made this argument about actors’ politics.

  49. @Magic Dirt Resident
    Isn't it a direct relationship between age and support for gun grabbing.? Higher age, higher support for gun control.

    Isn’t it a direct relationship between age and support for gun grabbing.? Higher age, higher support for gun control

    .

    This makes no sense. The higher the age, the whiter the population. So young people of color are the future of the NRA?

    This claim merits more scrutiny. Where is our Snopes?

    • Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/zoomers-hands-off-our-guns/

    At least in Georgia.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Whites are more pro-gun than non-whites, but younger whites are more pro-gun than older whites and younger non-whites are more pro-gun than older non-whites. Age is more determinative than race, which is why even polls that don't break results out by race consistently show younger generations to be more pro-grun than older generations.
  50. @Reg Cæsar

    Yes I would like to pay for it. It’s a good value compared to Medicaid funding the birth, WIC, food stamps, welfare, free medical, free school lunches etc not to mention the massive tax credits the mother will get each year where they make bank with an unearned tax refund. If they are a boy child we will likely pay for their prison
     
    There was a lot less of this when abortion was illegal. Another broken promise of the pro-choicers.

    That is a good point but hasn’t the abortion rate gone down compared to say 30 years ago? If so, it could be argued all the things I mentioned increased as abortion has been in decline.

  51. I will not click on disclaimer because I do not know what it actually is. It could be malware or a virus for all I know.

    An issue about insurance is not a mute point if they are saying that it is a mortal sin to have an abortion, but refuse to bring a child into this world for less than tens of thousands of dollars, starting the child’s life with debt laden parents that will not be able to provide for the child because of the debt. They preach to give everything to the poor, while extorting from the poor!

    Acsension is the largest Catholic Hospital network that I know of, and the really weird thing is that nobody at the corporate office knows who owns it!

    It is not owned by the Vatican, but is listed as a foreign private business that registered in Texas! None of the employees know who owns it!

    It could be anyone from the Chinese Communist Party, ISIS, Kosher Nostara, or the Mafia!

    • Replies: @anaon
    I will not click on disclaimer because I do not know what it actually is. It could be malware or a virus for all I know.

    I have no idea what this text means.

    An issue about insurance is not a mute point if they are saying that it is a mortal sin to have an abortion, but refuse to bring a child into this world for less than tens of thousands of dollars, starting the child’s life with debt laden parents that will not be able to provide for the child because of the debt. They preach to give everything to the poor, while extorting from the poor!

    Moving your goalposts so soon?

    Acsension is the largest Catholic Hospital network that I know of, and the really weird thing is that nobody at the corporate office knows who owns it!

    Seriously doubt you have called anyone at Ascension. You could read this:
    https://ascension.org/about
    and try to understand what it says. Do you understand what a "charity hospital" is, and what it does?

    Do you understand what Medicaid is, and how many childbirths are paid for each year?


    It is not owned by the Vatican, but is listed as a foreign private business that registered in Texas! None of the employees know who owns it!

    It could be anyone from the Chinese Communist Party, ISIS, Kosher Nostara, or the Mafia!


    Is this supposed to be a credible argument? Maybe English isn't your first language?
  52. “Nonsense. If these people really thought abortion was murder, they’d be blowing up abortion clinics. Of course, that doesn’t mean they don’t think it’s immoral and perverse. They just don’t think killing a first-trimester fetus is the same as killing a child.”

    Spot on observation:

    I lost a good friend over this issue. I made this argument over the Eric Rudolph(?), incident. When the process for managing the issues was in court, he was denied the use of that argument – that he was protecting the lives of children. I was more than perturbed. A judge should be not be permitted deny his right to define his defense. That’s the his call, and denying that would be an infringement on the right of free speech. During our discussion, I stated in the final analysis that is the issue. And if I am sincerely against murdering children in the womb, if I am sincere, I should be actively defending those children beyond mere civil protest — I think that comment above is a legitimate press.

    I have two responses:

    1. it would result in the destruction of those of use that oppose the practice because the idea of defending a life by taking it regarding an unborn child is counter-intuitive

    2. and the result would be self defeating as the case of Mr. Rudolph, makes clear. We would be not only prosecuted but referred to as terrorists . . . thereby killing the goal, most likely, we sought to achieve.

    I have often stated and remained convinced that christian support for all things in all ways law enforcement would come back to haunt christians because the mechanisms being honed , would be used to prosecute christians as scripture makes very clear –“the world hates believers” and there will come a time when people of faith will be targets. Hence the great failure of treating scripture as a law book instead of a proscription of living out a faith in accordance with the Holy Spirit.

    ———————————————————

    But again, I think your statement is very placed. And requires consideration by those of us who consider murdering children in the womb of such immense horror that its considerations comes nearly, at least for me before all others. It’s grand canyon staggering that I live in a country of so much that actually murders children and has millions of women who celebrate it —- devastating. Another reason why the whole “happy holidays” “merry christmas”, thanksgiving, etc. etc, began losing its force for me — my country legalized killing children in the womb and seeks to do so to children out of the womb.

    ———————————————————–

    “They just don’t think killing a first-trimester fetus is the same as killing a child.”

    Human life starts at conception. A child’s life starts at conception.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    “They just don’t think killing a first-trimester fetus is the same as killing a child.”

    Human life starts at conception. A child’s life starts at conception.
     
    This argument doesn't really help matters. Women have early miscarriages from time to time, and if we grieved these as we would the death of a toddler, the entire world would consider us histrionic and insane.
  53. @Reg Cæsar

    Isn’t it a direct relationship between age and support for gun grabbing.? Higher age, higher support for gun control
     
    .

    This makes no sense. The higher the age, the whiter the population. So young people of color are the future of the NRA?

    This claim merits more scrutiny. Where is our Snopes?
  54. @EliteCommInc.
    "Nonsense. If these people really thought abortion was murder, they’d be blowing up abortion clinics. Of course, that doesn’t mean they don’t think it’s immoral and perverse. They just don’t think killing a first-trimester fetus is the same as killing a child."

    Spot on observation:

    I lost a good friend over this issue. I made this argument over the Eric Rudolph(?), incident. When the process for managing the issues was in court, he was denied the use of that argument - that he was protecting the lives of children. I was more than perturbed. A judge should be not be permitted deny his right to define his defense. That's the his call, and denying that would be an infringement on the right of free speech. During our discussion, I stated in the final analysis that is the issue. And if I am sincerely against murdering children in the womb, if I am sincere, I should be actively defending those children beyond mere civil protest -- I think that comment above is a legitimate press.

    I have two responses:

    1. it would result in the destruction of those of use that oppose the practice because the idea of defending a life by taking it regarding an unborn child is counter-intuitive

    2. and the result would be self defeating as the case of Mr. Rudolph, makes clear. We would be not only prosecuted but referred to as terrorists . . . thereby killing the goal, most likely, we sought to achieve.


    I have often stated and remained convinced that christian support for all things in all ways law enforcement would come back to haunt christians because the mechanisms being honed , would be used to prosecute christians as scripture makes very clear --"the world hates believers" and there will come a time when people of faith will be targets. Hence the great failure of treating scripture as a law book instead of a proscription of living out a faith in accordance with the Holy Spirit.

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    But again, I think your statement is very placed. And requires consideration by those of us who consider murdering children in the womb of such immense horror that its considerations comes nearly, at least for me before all others. It's grand canyon staggering that I live in a country of so much that actually murders children and has millions of women who celebrate it ---- devastating. Another reason why the whole "happy holidays" "merry christmas", thanksgiving, etc. etc, began losing its force for me --- my country legalized killing children in the womb and seeks to do so to children out of the womb.

    -----------------------------------------------------------

    "They just don’t think killing a first-trimester fetus is the same as killing a child.”


    Human life starts at conception. A child's life starts at conception.

    “They just don’t think killing a first-trimester fetus is the same as killing a child.”

    Human life starts at conception. A child’s life starts at conception.

    This argument doesn’t really help matters. Women have early miscarriages from time to time, and if we grieved these as we would the death of a toddler, the entire world would consider us histrionic and insane.

  55. @Rebel0007
    @Anon

    I will not click on disclaimer because I do not know what it actually is. It could be malware or a virus for all I know.

    An issue about insurance is not a mute point if they are saying that it is a mortal sin to have an abortion, but refuse to bring a child into this world for less than tens of thousands of dollars, starting the child's life with debt laden parents that will not be able to provide for the child because of the debt. They preach to give everything to the poor, while extorting from the poor!

    Acsension is the largest Catholic Hospital network that I know of, and the really weird thing is that nobody at the corporate office knows who owns it!

    It is not owned by the Vatican, but is listed as a foreign private business that registered in Texas! None of the employees know who owns it!

    It could be anyone from the Chinese Communist Party, ISIS, Kosher Nostara, or the Mafia!

    I will not click on disclaimer because I do not know what it actually is. It could be malware or a virus for all I know.

    I have no idea what this text means.

    An issue about insurance is not a mute point if they are saying that it is a mortal sin to have an abortion, but refuse to bring a child into this world for less than tens of thousands of dollars, starting the child’s life with debt laden parents that will not be able to provide for the child because of the debt. They preach to give everything to the poor, while extorting from the poor!

    Moving your goalposts so soon?

    Acsension is the largest Catholic Hospital network that I know of, and the really weird thing is that nobody at the corporate office knows who owns it!

    Seriously doubt you have called anyone at Ascension. You could read this:
    https://ascension.org/about
    and try to understand what it says. Do you understand what a “charity hospital” is, and what it does?

    Do you understand what Medicaid is, and how many childbirths are paid for each year?

    It is not owned by the Vatican, but is listed as a foreign private business that registered in Texas! None of the employees know who owns it!

    It could be anyone from the Chinese Communist Party, ISIS, Kosher Nostara, or the Mafia!

    Is this supposed to be a credible argument? Maybe English isn’t your first language?

  56. “This argument doesn’t really help matters. Women have early miscarriages from time to time, and if we grieved these as we would the death of a toddler, the entire world would consider us histrionic and insane.”

    A miscarriage would not be a case of murder. People object to my use of the term because it sounds insensitive. I am very keen that women experience a good deal of distress on multiple levels on the issue, pregnant or not. However, save in the very rare instances of rape in which pregnancy results,

    women have complete control over their bodies to prevent conceiving a child. Since the entire world of women have been getting pregnant since man and woman discovered or were so compelled to engage in the process of begetting children —

    Clarifying that human development begins at conception is extremely helpful. And it impresses upon women and men, that should they not desire a child, then by all means abstain from relations. And should that be am impossible feet — prevent pregnancy.

    A human begins his or her journey when male and female cells combine into something new and wholly human . . . as i recall, you have children — and that makes you of value above any single person — for you have given to the future, and i for one intend to honor that sacrifice and gift to country and land . . .

    This matter is not unique to the US nor, Europeans, but has a long history among humans, sadly for the US we have attempted to legalize murdering children as to convenience — even humans that engaged in child sacrifice had more honorable cause — as some manner of debt to their would be gods or the earth for safety and future earnings.

    The world thinks we in the US are given to histrionics, but it isn’t because of the issue of killing children in the womb.

  57. on

    Can you please copy and paste what it says about the website? I had vistited it in the past and their server will not connect. You still did not say who owns it.

    Yes. Of course I know what a charity is. Unfortunately, in most cases, it is a fraud scheme! I know that Ascension was created by the Sisters or Daughters of Charity, but that they no longer own it. I did call the St. Louis home office, and offices in Wisconsin.

    I cannot prove that to you. If you prefer to live in a fantasy land and think that I would lie about reputable instution, rather than believe the truth, that it is a highly disreputable institution, go right ahead. This may come as a total shock to you, but I really don’t live my life to please anonymous posters that I probably do not even know. In fact, taking it further, I basically live a life of stocism. So seeking the approval of others is not what motivates me at all. I live to try to please God, and live so that I can have peace of mind in knowing that I am doing the right thing, which is not usually the easy thing. It causes a great deal of conflict, unfortunately. The devil doesn’t bother people when they are sinning.

  58. @Anonymous
    I've always got the impression that most pro-life activists are men, and women themselves are more likely to be pro-choice.

    What is the sex ratio at the annual March for Life in DC? Looking at pictures, it looks pretty even, maybe a little more female than male. Otoh, the pussy hat marches are more female-skewed than that.

  59. @Magic Dirt Resident
    Isn't it a direct relationship between age and support for gun grabbing.? Higher age, higher support for gun control.

    Yes, among both whites and non-whites, Republicans and Democrats, that’s the trend.

    • Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident
    Thanks, that's what I thought, but you say inverse proportion between age and gun control in the post.
  60. @Rebel0007
    What is even worse than abortion is deliberately bringing someone into this world run by sadistic predatory beasts that will exert fascist control, torture, terrorize, and steal from someone for their entire lives!

    Hosts for the parasites!

    So that’s it, it all ends with us? Your ancestors and mine did a lot more with a lot less.

  61. @Reg Cæsar

    Isn’t it a direct relationship between age and support for gun grabbing.? Higher age, higher support for gun control
     
    .

    This makes no sense. The higher the age, the whiter the population. So young people of color are the future of the NRA?

    This claim merits more scrutiny. Where is our Snopes?

    Whites are more pro-gun than non-whites, but younger whites are more pro-gun than older whites and younger non-whites are more pro-gun than older non-whites. Age is more determinative than race, which is why even polls that don’t break results out by race consistently show younger generations to be more pro-grun than older generations.

  62. @Audacious Epigone
    Yes, among both whites and non-whites, Republicans and Democrats, that's the trend.

    Thanks, that’s what I thought, but you say inverse proportion between age and gun control in the post.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Ah crud, thanks. Fixed it.
  63. @Magic Dirt Resident
    Thanks, that's what I thought, but you say inverse proportion between age and gun control in the post.

    Ah crud, thanks. Fixed it.

  64. Is this the only GSS question that breaks the rule

    women : democrats :: men : republicans

    ?

    That is, the rule that the difference between men and women has the same sign (+/-) as that between democrats and republicans?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Arguably drug legalization is another one--men are considerably more pro-legalization even though legalization is more of a leftist cause than a rightist one.
  65. @Harold
    Is this the only GSS question that breaks the rule

    women : democrats :: men : republicans

    ?

    That is, the rule that the difference between men and women has the same sign (+/-) as that between democrats and republicans?

    Arguably drug legalization is another one–men are considerably more pro-legalization even though legalization is more of a leftist cause than a rightist one.

  66. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Note that I said whether … to think it murder.
     
    Fine, but what makes you think women do that?

    you think wrong.
     
    Nonsense. If these people really thought abortion was murder, they'd be blowing up abortion clinics. Of course, that doesn't mean they don't think it's immoral and perverse. They just don't think killing a first-trimester fetus is the same as killing a child.

    Nonsense. If these people really thought abortion was murder, they’d be blowing up abortion clinics.

    Yah and if you really thought arranged marriage was rape you’d have dynamited the offices of shaadi.com by now. (Actually that’s a bad example because that case really is just a rhetorical exaggeration).

    Anyway, joking aside, could you give us a law code on when and for what crimes random private citizens are authorized to conduct private executions? (Or don’t, actually, because that might be incitement to terrorism.)

    Fine, but what makes you think women do that?

    Given that it’s just a hypothetical, we can locate it in 1998 when a large proportion of people thought so: https://news.gallup.com/poll/9904/public-opinion-about-abortion-indepth-review.aspx

    I used this poll because it was the first one I found, there are probably ones for more recent years.

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