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The following graph was created using data from a recent Pew Research report entitled Race in America 2019. Pew asked respondents how each of the four largest Census-designated demographic groups in the US are perceived to get along with members of each of the others.

‘Net harmony’ is calculated by taking the percentage of respondents who say the two groups in question get along either “very well” or “pretty well” and subtracting from it the percentages who say the two groups in question get along “not too well” or “not well at all”. The first three bars show how white respondents feel whites get along with blacks, whites get along with Hispanics, and whites get along with Asians, respectively. The next set of three bars show how black respondents feel blacks get along with whites, Hispanics, and Asians, etc:

The glass-half-full interpretation is that, corporate media and lunatics on social media aside, most people think their own group gets along relatively well with other groups. The only exception to net positive perceived intergroup harmony is in the way blacks view the state of their relationship with whites.

Though blacks express perceived disharmony in their relationship with whites, they think relations are good with Asians and great with Hispanics. Yet again we see no evidence for the faux idea that blacks and Hispanics are at each other’s throats. Blacks are more opposed to immigration restrictionism than any other groups–including Jews and Hispanics–are.

Whites think relations between themselves and members of each other group are better than members of each of those other groups think their relations with whites are. Hajnal hope springs eternal.

Taking respondents from both sides into account, the perceived relationship between whites and Asians is by far the strongest of all the group-to-group pairings. The relationship between whites and blacks, in contrast, is weakest. Arctic alliance, perhaps. Old stock American alliance, though? It looks about as unlikely now as it has at any (every?) other point in the nation’s history.

 
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  1. “Lowest black unemployment ever!”

    -16

    give up, boomer.

    • LOL: TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @216
    Black unemployment numbers are still bad though (above 5%, even before considering U6). That's a main reason why Trump won't get any credit other than from white moderates.

    The high tide of black employment in US history is during the two world wars. White men were conscripted en masse, and immigration ceased. Employers were left with no options other than to hire sharecroppers of minimal literacy.

    One thing that GOP state governments can do to alter the trajectory in the long run, is to cull certain gen ed requirements from public universities. This is the Trojan horse of grievance studies (most students aren't stupid enough to actually major in it). It serves the interest of reducing tuition costs. This minimizes the "rage of a privileged class".
  2. res says:

    It would be interesting to create a metric of the difference between each pairwise combination of races. Call it the un/requited love metric?

    The White/Hispanic version is a notable one. 40-8 = 32

    Any idea why Hispanics see Blacks so much more favorably than Whites?

    P.S. That metric of the differences makes an interesting combination with yours looking at the sums of the pairs.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Not sure other than for the obvious political reasons.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Caribbean Hispanics are significantly African. That's just a shot in the dark, and considering how selective and inconsistent the Hispanic categorization is, I'm open to better theories.
    , @Truth

    Any idea why Hispanics see Blacks so much more favorably than Whites?
     
    Because everything you've seen on TV about black-Mexican, and black-Puerto Rican turf wars is a fabrication, as is, everything you've seen on TV in general.

    You're welcome.

  3. @res
    It would be interesting to create a metric of the difference between each pairwise combination of races. Call it the un/requited love metric?

    The White/Hispanic version is a notable one. 40-8 = 32

    Any idea why Hispanics see Blacks so much more favorably than Whites?

    P.S. That metric of the differences makes an interesting combination with yours looking at the sums of the pairs.

    Not sure other than for the obvious political reasons.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    I suspect that this poll has somehow exaggerated Hispanic animosity towards Whites (which has never struck me as overly intense). I suspect what's going on here is that a lot of people whom most Whites would perceive as Hispanic, may identify as Whites. And unsurprisingly, they are OK with White people, but since they told the pollsters they were White, their relatively harmonious viewpoint didn't get tallied under the Hispanic column. I have no evidence for this, of course, but it comports with my experience of having spent 39 years in California (1972-2011).
  4. I consider myself pretty based, yet I am still surprised that blacks would have a net negative opinion of whites – at least, that they would admit it. I mean, that is the thrust of it, isn’t it? Or am I misreading it?

    I’d really like to see the European numbers, but maybe that is a verboten topic, even for polling companies.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Yeah, I'd imagine so with the exception of white leftists, many of whom presumably say relations are bad without having negative feelings towards the groups they say relations are bad with (or at least not wanting that to be the perception, anyway). So as harmonious as whites feel things are relatively speaking, their actual feelings are probably even warmer.
    , @Anon
    Why would you be surprised that Blacks have a negative opinion of Whites?

    In spite of our singular effort to assure they are not living hunter gatherer lifestyle with bones through their noses and sleeping in a mud or grass hut every night over the course of vastly shortened lifespans, the judeo-commies have been constantly reminding them how evil we are for generations now.

    #jewishfriendship
    #jewsareus
    #jewsamericanasyouandme
  5. Whites ought to be more worried about Asians than they are. Have you noticed yourself suddenly living in Calcutta? There you go.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    This is actually a good argument for separate racial spheres of influence. You guys understandably don't want us to rule over you. We don't want you guys to rule over us either. Let us build parallel civilizations and be dominant in our own spheres.

    I'm not really sure what should be done about India. I think they should be a third racial sphere. Let them do their own thing. After all they have nukes and plenty of techies. I don't want to mess with them.

    , @216
    Asian-Americans display less levels of anti-social behavior than whites.

    While whites may be theoretically concerned that Asian students could displace them from selective institutions of higher indoctrinaton, this concern is mostly ethereal. A/A is much more popular than it was 20 years ago, and younger whites are more likely to think that "tuition free" is the solution to their woes.
    , @LondonBob
    Lumping in Orientals with subcons makes little sense, subcons have more in common with MENA than Asia Pacific.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I bet when most people hear "Asian" they instinctively think East Asian, maybe Filipino, especially whites and blacks over the age of 40 or so.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Correct, asians in our countries are the serious problem that the entire political spectrum ignores.

    Blacks can very easily be kept in check by a white population with the will to do so. Hispanics can easily be kept out by a white population that wants to.

    Asians have brains, plus the will and desire to rule over whites, as well as blacks and Hispanics. East asians have the IQ, the brown asians have the numbers and the extreme nepotism (though I question brown competency long term).

    Asians are nice until their numbers are too big, at which point you realize they occupy 70% of the city in an ethnic enclave.

    Whitey beware....
  6. @obwandiyag
    Whites ought to be more worried about Asians than they are. Have you noticed yourself suddenly living in Calcutta? There you go.

    This is actually a good argument for separate racial spheres of influence. You guys understandably don’t want us to rule over you. We don’t want you guys to rule over us either. Let us build parallel civilizations and be dominant in our own spheres.

    I’m not really sure what should be done about India. I think they should be a third racial sphere. Let them do their own thing. After all they have nukes and plenty of techies. I don’t want to mess with them.

    • Replies: @Truth

    This is actually a good argument for separate racial spheres of influence. You guys understandably don’t want us to rule over you. We don’t want you guys to rule over us either.
     
    Oh so this is why you live in the Western Hemisphere, instead of China?
  7. 216 says:
    @obwandiyag
    Whites ought to be more worried about Asians than they are. Have you noticed yourself suddenly living in Calcutta? There you go.

    Asian-Americans display less levels of anti-social behavior than whites.

    While whites may be theoretically concerned that Asian students could displace them from selective institutions of higher indoctrinaton, this concern is mostly ethereal. A/A is much more popular than it was 20 years ago, and younger whites are more likely to think that “tuition free” is the solution to their woes.

  8. anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    Hispanic includes Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, two groups who don’t particularly care for each other. The former identify with blacks much more than the latter with other Hispanic groups coming in elsewhere depending upon their African admixture.
    Blacks are pretty much united in their hatred of whites and the sooner whites understand this the better they’ll be able to make sense of things. It’s surprising to see that blacks show any positive perceptions for any group whatever since they have a history of rioting against whites, Hispanics and Asians at various times.
    Lumping in Indians with Chinese into some general Asian category would seem to confuse things as these groups are quite different. Whites seem the most delusional about who gets along with them.

    • Replies: @216

    Hispanic includes Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, two groups who don’t particularly care for each other.
     
    White includes Mormons and Protestant Fundamentalists, two groups that don't particularly care for each other.

    The lower black regard for Asians vis-a-vis Hispanics is interesting. Blacks tend to resent the Asian bodega owner class.

    Blacks may be more persuadable to an anti-offshoring message, Asians/Hispanics may have Old Country relatives that bias them in favor of free trade.
    , @Truth

    Hispanic includes Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, two groups who don’t particularly care for each other. The former identify with blacks much more than the latter with other
     
    Well now, there are more Mexicans in California than there are Puerto Ricans in the whole nation of Puerto Rico, so you figure it out.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "Whites seem the most delusional about who gets along them."

    True statement. Although white liberals who live in all white neighborhoods -- I'm thinking of L.A. and the San Francisco Bay Area, probably the most segregated areas in the country, next to swampy D.C. -- are the most delusional. Whites like me who had the misfortune of growing up in a black dominated area are extremely clear-eyed about black malevolence towards whites.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Whites seem the most delusional about who gets along with them.
     
    Most whites are delusional about most things most of the time.

    Enlightenment plus wealth plus post-Christian guilt complex = a helluva drug.

  9. 216 says:
    @prime noticer
    "Lowest black unemployment ever!"

    -16

    give up, boomer.

    Black unemployment numbers are still bad though (above 5%, even before considering U6). That’s a main reason why Trump won’t get any credit other than from white moderates.

    The high tide of black employment in US history is during the two world wars. White men were conscripted en masse, and immigration ceased. Employers were left with no options other than to hire sharecroppers of minimal literacy.

    One thing that GOP state governments can do to alter the trajectory in the long run, is to cull certain gen ed requirements from public universities. This is the Trojan horse of grievance studies (most students aren’t stupid enough to actually major in it). It serves the interest of reducing tuition costs. This minimizes the “rage of a privileged class”.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Thomas Sowell commented in one of his books that the black employment rate was actually HIGHER than the white rate, until the minimum wage came in. Black cheap labor couldn't compete with the rate required by minimum wage.

    Probe a bit deeper, and you'll find expressions like "work like a (negro)," which were used to disparage whites who worked as hard as blacks. Most of this has been forgotten since civil rights. But after all, what was slavery but an attempt to extract the value of labor so owners could work less hard. The fact that the slaves whose labor value is extracted are far less likely to be black today in the USA doesn't change the past.
  10. 216 says:
    @anonymous
    Hispanic includes Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, two groups who don't particularly care for each other. The former identify with blacks much more than the latter with other Hispanic groups coming in elsewhere depending upon their African admixture.
    Blacks are pretty much united in their hatred of whites and the sooner whites understand this the better they'll be able to make sense of things. It's surprising to see that blacks show any positive perceptions for any group whatever since they have a history of rioting against whites, Hispanics and Asians at various times.
    Lumping in Indians with Chinese into some general Asian category would seem to confuse things as these groups are quite different. Whites seem the most delusional about who gets along with them.

    Hispanic includes Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, two groups who don’t particularly care for each other.

    White includes Mormons and Protestant Fundamentalists, two groups that don’t particularly care for each other.

    The lower black regard for Asians vis-a-vis Hispanics is interesting. Blacks tend to resent the Asian bodega owner class.

    Blacks may be more persuadable to an anti-offshoring message, Asians/Hispanics may have Old Country relatives that bias them in favor of free trade.

  11. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    The extremes on this graph tell the tale.
    1. Whites and Asians share extremely favorable perceptions of each other and share extremely low perceptions of blacks.
    2. Blacks and Hispanics have extremely unfavorable perceptions of whites.
    3. Hispanics can muster only a moderate liking for Blacks, accepting them grudgingly as not very desirable allies in their conflict with whites.
    4. Blacks have stronger favorable impressions of Hispanics, as Hispanics are their only hope for an ally.

    The recurring theme of this graph is the undesirability of blacks and the desirability of whites and Asians.
    Hispanics are a muddle in the middle.

    I take it as a given that while the survey asks “how well do these groups get along with each other”, people’s answers are to the question “how much do I like/not like these groups”.

    The moral to the story is that without blacks, our race conflicts would be greatly diminished. The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    The moral to the story is that without blacks, our race conflicts would be greatly diminished. The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.
     
    That's pretty much the driver of all this, isn't it? Blacks pretty much hate everybody and what's more they even hate themselves judging by their ridiculous homicide rate amongst themselves. Take them out of the equation and we wouldn't even be having most of these discussions.
    , @Truth

    The recurring theme of this graph is the undesirability of blacks and the desirability of whites and Asians.
     
    If I may beg to differ, Old Sport, the recurring theme is the desireability of Asians. Whites are rated as extremely undesirable by two of the three groups.

    The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.
     
    Again, must quarrel a bit here, then why is it that Hispanics (the nation's largest non-white group) dislike whites so much?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Selling that to whites is extremely difficult given our general sense of fairness. We brought blacks here. In that sense, we own--ahem, you know what I mean!
  12. One pattern that has repeated itself over several years so as to demand my attention: an increasing animosity from young Hispanic women (to me, upper-middle aged white guy.) Typically, it’s a wordless surly stare from behind a cash register.
    Happened again about a week ago at a burrito place. I matched her stare, then turned around and walked out without a word or purchase.

    • Replies: @216
    In structural terms, the economy has seen decades of wage stagnation in real terms. In the last two years we have seen some small real terms growth.

    To the low-wage workers of the service economy, there is increasing doubt that credentials are affordable or viable, the ordinary path into the middle class.

    So we have a population that believes it is being exploited, and points at people like you as the exploiting class.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    I've noticed that teenage to early 20's females of all ethnic groups working retail are some of the most miserable humans in the world. All have that bored, entitled demeanor, and could care less about presenting themselves with a friendly, customer service minded attitude.

    My theory is this is the result of big box stores and chain restaurants replacing mom and pop shops. These junior college bound hussies take absolutely no ownership or pride in their job, and there is no business owner present, who's livelihood depends on return customers, demanding accountability from them. So the result is a staff who gives ZF's if you ever come back or not.

    Since young Hispanic women seemingly make up a larger % of these cash register dolts you see at chain outfits, it's an understandable pattern you observe.

    I suggest frequenting a mom and pop restaurant/shop (the Mexican daughters working papi's local taco shop are usually pretty friendly) and observe the difference in customer service from the staff. It's usually palpable.
    , @Anon
    My experience with non-Mexican Hispanic women is that they tend to be the angriest humans that I know. If I had to come up with the single best generalization for them, that would be it.

    They are too smart to lack anger (ie: they take in the political propaganda like a sponge), and not smart enough to know how to regulate it. They also have a lack of self esteem that makes their use of it especially vicious. I have a Hispanic friend who stated that he will never date one again. I wouldn't consider dating one even if I were into minority women. I excluded Mexican women because they are too often an exception to that rule.

    Other generalizations:

    Asian women are too status obsessed.

    Black women are secretly the most feminine in the modern United States in terms of women that are born here (which I imagine results from a confluence of their material needs due to poverty, a superficially macho black male culture, and a lack of time spent in the educational system). Its a shame for those that are open to dating them that they fundamentally lack in a lot of other ways that are too important.

  13. 216 says:
    @baythoven
    One pattern that has repeated itself over several years so as to demand my attention: an increasing animosity from young Hispanic women (to me, upper-middle aged white guy.) Typically, it's a wordless surly stare from behind a cash register.
    Happened again about a week ago at a burrito place. I matched her stare, then turned around and walked out without a word or purchase.

    In structural terms, the economy has seen decades of wage stagnation in real terms. In the last two years we have seen some small real terms growth.

    To the low-wage workers of the service economy, there is increasing doubt that credentials are affordable or viable, the ordinary path into the middle class.

    So we have a population that believes it is being exploited, and points at people like you as the exploiting class.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yes, Rodriguez, it's that )))white((( guy middle manager over there who's screwing you over....
  14. o/t

    SimpleJack banned the AOC parody account, and BumbleJack is crowing about “Anti-Semitism”

    For the lurkers still on Big Social, report this


    • Replies: @216
    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1125639733235859457

    Is he being paid to funnel people to a dead site, instead of the Notzee site?

    Probably
  15. @216
    o/t

    SimpleJack banned the AOC parody account, and BumbleJack is crowing about "Anti-Semitism"

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1125590773326655488

    https://twitter.com/LilaGraceRose/status/1125593035864043520

    For the lurkers still on Big Social, report this

    https://twitter.com/DevinCow
    https://twitter.com/NunesAlt

    Is he being paid to funnel people to a dead site, instead of the Notzee site?

    Probably

  16. @res
    It would be interesting to create a metric of the difference between each pairwise combination of races. Call it the un/requited love metric?

    The White/Hispanic version is a notable one. 40-8 = 32

    Any idea why Hispanics see Blacks so much more favorably than Whites?

    P.S. That metric of the differences makes an interesting combination with yours looking at the sums of the pairs.

    Caribbean Hispanics are significantly African. That’s just a shot in the dark, and considering how selective and inconsistent the Hispanic categorization is, I’m open to better theories.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Hispanics is another nonsense category, Spain is part of Europe. I read an article about obviously ethnically European 'Hispanics' in Miami voting for Trump with the theme that they should be showing solidarity with Mexican peasants and African slaves.
    , @Truth
    Again, Old Sport, no.

    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans (by a mile the largest "hispanic" group in America) are, Dominicans are fairly black, Cubans on the mainland are roughly half black half white, but the white ones are the one's in America.

    Let's try another theory, we have time.
  17. @obwandiyag
    Whites ought to be more worried about Asians than they are. Have you noticed yourself suddenly living in Calcutta? There you go.

    Lumping in Orientals with subcons makes little sense, subcons have more in common with MENA than Asia Pacific.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Lumping in Orientals with subcons makes little sense, subcons have more in common with MENA than Asia Pacific.
     
    Why? Both groups drive up the cost of housing and compete with White youth for middle-class jobs.
  18. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Caribbean Hispanics are significantly African. That's just a shot in the dark, and considering how selective and inconsistent the Hispanic categorization is, I'm open to better theories.

    Hispanics is another nonsense category, Spain is part of Europe. I read an article about obviously ethnically European ‘Hispanics’ in Miami voting for Trump with the theme that they should be showing solidarity with Mexican peasants and African slaves.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  19. @baythoven
    One pattern that has repeated itself over several years so as to demand my attention: an increasing animosity from young Hispanic women (to me, upper-middle aged white guy.) Typically, it's a wordless surly stare from behind a cash register.
    Happened again about a week ago at a burrito place. I matched her stare, then turned around and walked out without a word or purchase.

    I’ve noticed that teenage to early 20’s females of all ethnic groups working retail are some of the most miserable humans in the world. All have that bored, entitled demeanor, and could care less about presenting themselves with a friendly, customer service minded attitude.

    My theory is this is the result of big box stores and chain restaurants replacing mom and pop shops. These junior college bound hussies take absolutely no ownership or pride in their job, and there is no business owner present, who’s livelihood depends on return customers, demanding accountability from them. So the result is a staff who gives ZF’s if you ever come back or not.

    Since young Hispanic women seemingly make up a larger % of these cash register dolts you see at chain outfits, it’s an understandable pattern you observe.

    I suggest frequenting a mom and pop restaurant/shop (the Mexican daughters working papi’s local taco shop are usually pretty friendly) and observe the difference in customer service from the staff. It’s usually palpable.

    • Replies: @res

    I suggest frequenting a mom and pop restaurant/shop (the Mexican daughters working papi’s local taco shop are usually pretty friendly) and observe the difference in customer service from the staff. It’s usually palpable.
     
    This is an excellent point. I had that exact experience not that long ago. It was kind of fun when the little granddaughter came out to help as well.
    , @216

    My theory is this is the result of big box stores and chain restaurants replacing mom and pop shops. These junior college bound hussies take absolutely no ownership or pride in their job, and there is no business owner present, who’s livelihood depends on return customers, demanding accountability from them. So the result is a staff who gives ZF’s if you ever come back or not.
     
    When I worked retail there were a large number of single mothers working there, recall that 40% of total births are now out of wedlock. That's a group that inevitably has a chip on the shoulder.

    A lot of the tertiary sector is increasinly data driven, there's typically a "survey with chance to win gift card" at the bottom of every receipt. If a bad survey comes back, hell is raised by management.

    I'll be surprised if cashiers are still common 10 years from now. Corporate has aimed to make them obsolete for decades, probably ignoring better automation opportunities in the back-of-the-house. Come the next recession, major layoffs are incoming in retail, akin to the fallout of the steel industry in the 1970s.
  20. “Whites” – SJWs – Aryan right = normies (16%)

  21. I wish the “Hispanic” category made a distinction between respondents who are immigrants versus those that are native born.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  22. The Black-Hispanic thing:

    “. Yet again we see no evidence for the faux idea that blacks and Hispanics are at each other’s throats.”

    The most obvious confound here is that “hispanic” is not a race. There are many “Black” Hispanics and generally speaking they are not considered “not black”.

    The true test of this issue would be to break down “Hispanic” into component groups. I’m willing to put large money on the table that once split out, “White” and “Indio” hispanics will rate far lower than the above chart would imply.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    For what it's worth, whites, blacks, and Asians are all non-Hispanic for the purposes of this report. That doesn't negate the fact that the Hispanic group is of course quite racially diverse.
  23. anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    The extremes on this graph tell the tale.
    1. Whites and Asians share extremely favorable perceptions of each other and share extremely low perceptions of blacks.
    2. Blacks and Hispanics have extremely unfavorable perceptions of whites.
    3. Hispanics can muster only a moderate liking for Blacks, accepting them grudgingly as not very desirable allies in their conflict with whites.
    4. Blacks have stronger favorable impressions of Hispanics, as Hispanics are their only hope for an ally.

    The recurring theme of this graph is the undesirability of blacks and the desirability of whites and Asians.
    Hispanics are a muddle in the middle.

    I take it as a given that while the survey asks "how well do these groups get along with each other", people's answers are to the question "how much do I like/not like these groups".

    The moral to the story is that without blacks, our race conflicts would be greatly diminished. The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.

    The moral to the story is that without blacks, our race conflicts would be greatly diminished. The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.

    That’s pretty much the driver of all this, isn’t it? Blacks pretty much hate everybody and what’s more they even hate themselves judging by their ridiculous homicide rate amongst themselves. Take them out of the equation and we wouldn’t even be having most of these discussions.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    In any surveys there are always two massive outlier groups, and they are the ones causing all the problems.
    , @neutral

    Take them out of the equation and we wouldn’t even be having most of these discussions.
     
    No, there are (((others))) that are even worse.
    , @EastKekistani

    That’s pretty much the driver of all this, isn’t it? Blacks pretty much hate everybody and what’s more they even hate themselves judging by their ridiculous homicide rate amongst themselves. Take them out of the equation and we wouldn’t even be having most of these discussions.
     
    Exactly. My proposal is that blacks should be scientifically recognized as several distinct subspecies (Bantu, Nilotic, Khoisan, Pygmy, etc) of Homo sapiens and that all non-black races are subgroups of a particularly divergent subgroup of the Nilotic subspecies. That will help a lot with understanding of this issue. We have to develop terms that distinguish them from the rest of humanity.
  24. May God show mercy on my beloved Pennsylvania and remove Brian Sims from our realm so he may no longer torment and humiliate us with his absurd perversity

    “All passions are dishonorable, for the soul is even more damaged and degraded by sin than the body is by disease. But the worst of all passions is lust between men. … The sins against nature are more problematic and less satisfying, so much so that one cannot even say that they procure pleasure, since true pleasure is only that which is according to nature. But when God abandons a man, everything is turned on its head! Therefore, not only are such [homosexual]passions satanic, but their lives are diabolic …

    “So, I say to you that they [the homosexuals] are even worse than murderers, and that it would be better to die than to live in such dishonor. A murderer only separates the soul from the body, whereas these [homosexuals] destroy the soul inside the body. ….

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing, more absurd or damaging than this perversity.”

    – Saint John Chrysostom

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    So that's who St. Jean-Chrysostome, Québec is named after. I learn something new every day.
  25. @anonymous

    The moral to the story is that without blacks, our race conflicts would be greatly diminished. The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.
     
    That's pretty much the driver of all this, isn't it? Blacks pretty much hate everybody and what's more they even hate themselves judging by their ridiculous homicide rate amongst themselves. Take them out of the equation and we wouldn't even be having most of these discussions.

    In any surveys there are always two massive outlier groups, and they are the ones causing all the problems.

  26. There are a lot of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. Still, I think the low Hispanic numbers for whites reflects their belief that America was stolen form them and the offense that they take at the idea that there should be a Southern border and that it isn’t desirable to drown in a sea of indios.

    Every expat of whatever race takes offence once you suggest that it is not desirable to be infinitely invaded. Though, I think the sense of entitlement that many Hispanics feel is modeled largely on blacks, and probably would not be half as bad without them.

    • Replies: @Truth

    There are a lot of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans
     
    Puerto Ricans in US; 4.6m

    Dominicans in US; 2m

    Mexicans in US; 36.3m ("allegedly")

    We won't even get into Central and South Americans. Ok then, new theory.
  27. These surveys almost invariably look like a proxy for genetic distance don’t they? It’s almost as if the greater the genetic distance, the more advanced the speciation process has progressed, the less compatible the subjects..

    In this particular result, the head scratcher is the Mestizo/Mulatto result. Africans and Mesoamericans are as distant genetically as Africans and anyone else. And in the real world we see how this plays out as we’d expect with school riots, prison riots, ethnic replacement/displacement of neighborhoods and entire cities as Mestizos move in and push Mulattos out. So why the poll result showing such high favorability? My guess is that in an abstract political sense, both see themselves as less successful than whites or Asians and it’s a proxy for “dislike whitey (and/or rich Asians) more than an actual statement of how well the two populations like one another.

    As @Songbird noted above, our current year political/media propaganda bullshit is working to turn Mestizos into Mulattos. It shows up in welfare dependency and anti-white political activism even if it doesn’t appear in the way the groups choose to live, work, and worship.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    As @Songbird noted above, our current year political/media propaganda bullshit is working to turn Mestizos into Mulattos. It shows up in welfare dependency and anti-white political activism even if it doesn’t appear in the way the groups choose to live, work, and worship.
     
    That's a serious issue. We have to treat certain typical contemporary behaviors of Negroids as something universally undesirable and persuade people including Negroids to reject them. Otherwise this will just infect more and more people.

    Maybe we can reframe these behaviors as "impoverished habits" or something and argue that they are responsible for misery of Negroids (isn't that right?) and that they can be changed if people want to (not sure about that..). At least it can slow down the infection.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Steve Sailer has pointed out that subsequent Hispanic generations do tend to assimilate to American norms--black American norms.
  28. @anonymous

    The moral to the story is that without blacks, our race conflicts would be greatly diminished. The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.
     
    That's pretty much the driver of all this, isn't it? Blacks pretty much hate everybody and what's more they even hate themselves judging by their ridiculous homicide rate amongst themselves. Take them out of the equation and we wouldn't even be having most of these discussions.

    Take them out of the equation and we wouldn’t even be having most of these discussions.

    No, there are (((others))) that are even worse.

  29. @anonymous

    The moral to the story is that without blacks, our race conflicts would be greatly diminished. The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.
     
    That's pretty much the driver of all this, isn't it? Blacks pretty much hate everybody and what's more they even hate themselves judging by their ridiculous homicide rate amongst themselves. Take them out of the equation and we wouldn't even be having most of these discussions.

    That’s pretty much the driver of all this, isn’t it? Blacks pretty much hate everybody and what’s more they even hate themselves judging by their ridiculous homicide rate amongst themselves. Take them out of the equation and we wouldn’t even be having most of these discussions.

    Exactly. My proposal is that blacks should be scientifically recognized as several distinct subspecies (Bantu, Nilotic, Khoisan, Pygmy, etc) of Homo sapiens and that all non-black races are subgroups of a particularly divergent subgroup of the Nilotic subspecies. That will help a lot with understanding of this issue. We have to develop terms that distinguish them from the rest of humanity.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The extent to which that makes sense to do (or not) is something we will know by the end of the next decade, and probably sooner than that. We are now in the era of the $1000 fully-sequenced, 30-run genomes.
  30. @Stan d Mute
    These surveys almost invariably look like a proxy for genetic distance don’t they? It’s almost as if the greater the genetic distance, the more advanced the speciation process has progressed, the less compatible the subjects..

    In this particular result, the head scratcher is the Mestizo/Mulatto result. Africans and Mesoamericans are as distant genetically as Africans and anyone else. And in the real world we see how this plays out as we’d expect with school riots, prison riots, ethnic replacement/displacement of neighborhoods and entire cities as Mestizos move in and push Mulattos out. So why the poll result showing such high favorability? My guess is that in an abstract political sense, both see themselves as less successful than whites or Asians and it’s a proxy for “dislike whitey (and/or rich Asians) more than an actual statement of how well the two populations like one another.

    As @Songbird noted above, our current year political/media propaganda bullshit is working to turn Mestizos into Mulattos. It shows up in welfare dependency and anti-white political activism even if it doesn’t appear in the way the groups choose to live, work, and worship.

    As @Songbird noted above, our current year political/media propaganda bullshit is working to turn Mestizos into Mulattos. It shows up in welfare dependency and anti-white political activism even if it doesn’t appear in the way the groups choose to live, work, and worship.

    That’s a serious issue. We have to treat certain typical contemporary behaviors of Negroids as something universally undesirable and persuade people including Negroids to reject them. Otherwise this will just infect more and more people.

    Maybe we can reframe these behaviors as “impoverished habits” or something and argue that they are responsible for misery of Negroids (isn’t that right?) and that they can be changed if people want to (not sure about that..). At least it can slow down the infection.

  31. @EastKekistani
    This is actually a good argument for separate racial spheres of influence. You guys understandably don't want us to rule over you. We don't want you guys to rule over us either. Let us build parallel civilizations and be dominant in our own spheres.

    I'm not really sure what should be done about India. I think they should be a third racial sphere. Let them do their own thing. After all they have nukes and plenty of techies. I don't want to mess with them.

    This is actually a good argument for separate racial spheres of influence. You guys understandably don’t want us to rule over you. We don’t want you guys to rule over us either.

    Oh so this is why you live in the Western Hemisphere, instead of China?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Xi's regime is crazy. He is recently toying with this shit again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_to_the_Countryside_Movement

    We need the crazy regime gone.

    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    See my comment #68.

    Asians aren't your friends from the moment they set foot in America.
    , @DB Cooper
    FYI EastKekistaini is a subcon.
  32. @res
    It would be interesting to create a metric of the difference between each pairwise combination of races. Call it the un/requited love metric?

    The White/Hispanic version is a notable one. 40-8 = 32

    Any idea why Hispanics see Blacks so much more favorably than Whites?

    P.S. That metric of the differences makes an interesting combination with yours looking at the sums of the pairs.

    Any idea why Hispanics see Blacks so much more favorably than Whites?

    Because everything you’ve seen on TV about black-Mexican, and black-Puerto Rican turf wars is a fabrication, as is, everything you’ve seen on TV in general.

    You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @res
    Your comment would be much more relevant if I had watched any TV like that in the last decade.

    I was thinking more in terms of Hispanics replacing blacks in places like:
    East Palo Alto: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/TOWN-S-ETHNIC-MAKEUP-SHIFTS-Historically-Black-2982533.php
    Los Angeles: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-gang-firebombing-20180405-story.html

    That last link was pretty nasty. Interesting I had not heard about that incident until I went looking just now. Imagine the headlines if whites had done that!
  33. @Truth

    This is actually a good argument for separate racial spheres of influence. You guys understandably don’t want us to rule over you. We don’t want you guys to rule over us either.
     
    Oh so this is why you live in the Western Hemisphere, instead of China?

    Xi’s regime is crazy. He is recently toying with this shit again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_to_the_Countryside_Movement

    We need the crazy regime gone.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Bro, just tell the truth, it's not complicated. You would rather live in a city that is 15% or 20% black than 100% Chinese. I can't blame you.
  34. Truth says:
    @anonymous
    Hispanic includes Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, two groups who don't particularly care for each other. The former identify with blacks much more than the latter with other Hispanic groups coming in elsewhere depending upon their African admixture.
    Blacks are pretty much united in their hatred of whites and the sooner whites understand this the better they'll be able to make sense of things. It's surprising to see that blacks show any positive perceptions for any group whatever since they have a history of rioting against whites, Hispanics and Asians at various times.
    Lumping in Indians with Chinese into some general Asian category would seem to confuse things as these groups are quite different. Whites seem the most delusional about who gets along with them.

    Hispanic includes Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, two groups who don’t particularly care for each other. The former identify with blacks much more than the latter with other

    Well now, there are more Mexicans in California than there are Puerto Ricans in the whole nation of Puerto Rico, so you figure it out.

  35. Truth says:
    @anon
    The extremes on this graph tell the tale.
    1. Whites and Asians share extremely favorable perceptions of each other and share extremely low perceptions of blacks.
    2. Blacks and Hispanics have extremely unfavorable perceptions of whites.
    3. Hispanics can muster only a moderate liking for Blacks, accepting them grudgingly as not very desirable allies in their conflict with whites.
    4. Blacks have stronger favorable impressions of Hispanics, as Hispanics are their only hope for an ally.

    The recurring theme of this graph is the undesirability of blacks and the desirability of whites and Asians.
    Hispanics are a muddle in the middle.

    I take it as a given that while the survey asks "how well do these groups get along with each other", people's answers are to the question "how much do I like/not like these groups".

    The moral to the story is that without blacks, our race conflicts would be greatly diminished. The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.

    The recurring theme of this graph is the undesirability of blacks and the desirability of whites and Asians.

    If I may beg to differ, Old Sport, the recurring theme is the desireability of Asians. Whites are rated as extremely undesirable by two of the three groups.

    The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.

    Again, must quarrel a bit here, then why is it that Hispanics (the nation’s largest non-white group) dislike whites so much?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... why is it that Hispanics ... dislike whites so much?"

    In diverse and vibrant California "Hispanics" are in Reconquista mode. Your grandchildren's children will be battling it out with the Hispanos over who gets to rule over the ruins of white civilization. My money is on the browns. Regardless of who wins the place will be a sh*thole.
    , @res

    Whites are rated as extremely undesirable by two of the three groups.
     
    Right. Which makes it extremely interesting that so many of those two groups are migrating to a white majority country.

    Again, must quarrel a bit here, then why is it that Hispanics (the nation’s largest non-white group) dislike whites so much?
     
    That is a very interesting question. It does not match what I see in the real world at all. Probably because most of the Hispanics I see much of are the ones who get along well with whites.
  36. Truth says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    Caribbean Hispanics are significantly African. That's just a shot in the dark, and considering how selective and inconsistent the Hispanic categorization is, I'm open to better theories.

    Again, Old Sport, no.

    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans (by a mile the largest “hispanic” group in America) are, Dominicans are fairly black, Cubans on the mainland are roughly half black half white, but the white ones are the one’s in America.

    Let’s try another theory, we have time.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans?

    https://www.livescience.com/37624-mapping-puerto-rican-heritage.html

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans#Genetic_studies

    Nope. Lol.. Seriously..please at least use Google.

    , @Anon

    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans
     
    How so? PR's have significant black genetic heritage. Mexicans do not.

    I find that plays out in their personalities.
  37. @Truth
    Again, Old Sport, no.

    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans (by a mile the largest "hispanic" group in America) are, Dominicans are fairly black, Cubans on the mainland are roughly half black half white, but the white ones are the one's in America.

    Let's try another theory, we have time.

    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans?

    https://www.livescience.com/37624-mapping-puerto-rican-heritage.html

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans#Genetic_studies

    Nope. Lol.. Seriously..please at least use Google.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Old Sport, you are a certified genius from what I have read in your self description. This would mean that you are smart enough to know that when posting comparable statistics, you should elicit both from the same source.
  38. @anonymous
    Hispanic includes Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, two groups who don't particularly care for each other. The former identify with blacks much more than the latter with other Hispanic groups coming in elsewhere depending upon their African admixture.
    Blacks are pretty much united in their hatred of whites and the sooner whites understand this the better they'll be able to make sense of things. It's surprising to see that blacks show any positive perceptions for any group whatever since they have a history of rioting against whites, Hispanics and Asians at various times.
    Lumping in Indians with Chinese into some general Asian category would seem to confuse things as these groups are quite different. Whites seem the most delusional about who gets along with them.

    “Whites seem the most delusional about who gets along them.”

    True statement. Although white liberals who live in all white neighborhoods — I’m thinking of L.A. and the San Francisco Bay Area, probably the most segregated areas in the country, next to swampy D.C. — are the most delusional. Whites like me who had the misfortune of growing up in a black dominated area are extremely clear-eyed about black malevolence towards whites.

  39. @songbird
    There are a lot of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. Still, I think the low Hispanic numbers for whites reflects their belief that America was stolen form them and the offense that they take at the idea that there should be a Southern border and that it isn't desirable to drown in a sea of indios.

    Every expat of whatever race takes offence once you suggest that it is not desirable to be infinitely invaded. Though, I think the sense of entitlement that many Hispanics feel is modeled largely on blacks, and probably would not be half as bad without them.

    There are a lot of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans

    Puerto Ricans in US; 4.6m

    Dominicans in US; 2m

    Mexicans in US; 36.3m (“allegedly”)

    We won’t even get into Central and South Americans. Ok then, new theory.

  40. @EastKekistani
    Xi's regime is crazy. He is recently toying with this shit again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_to_the_Countryside_Movement

    We need the crazy regime gone.

    Bro, just tell the truth, it’s not complicated. You would rather live in a city that is 15% or 20% black than 100% Chinese. I can’t blame you.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    You ignored an important variable, namely commies.
  41. @EastKekistani
    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans?

    https://www.livescience.com/37624-mapping-puerto-rican-heritage.html

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans#Genetic_studies

    Nope. Lol.. Seriously..please at least use Google.

    Old Sport, you are a certified genius from what I have read in your self description. This would mean that you are smart enough to know that when posting comparable statistics, you should elicit both from the same source.

    • Replies: @res
    Say a single paper. Like: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/bin/gr2.jpg

    Figure 2
    The Distribution of Ancestry of Self-Reported Latinos across the US

    Differences in mean levels of African (A), European (B), and Native American (C) ancestry in Latinos from each state is shown by shade of blue, red, and orange, respectively. States with fewer than ten individuals are excluded in gray.
     
    The best evidence for this is Figure S5 from that paper which you will have to download for yourself:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/#app2

    Figure S5: Ancestry of self-reported Latinos by secondary self-reported subpopulation. Each individual is shown projected onto the triangle by their genome-wide proportions of African, European, and Native American ancestry, by their self-reported Hispanic sub-identity. Proportion of ancestry can be computed for an individual from the distance in dropping a perpendicular line from the point to the edge opposite the vertex.
     
    It is a very interesting graphic showing the genetic balance between European, African, and Native American ancestry for Hispanics sub-identifying as Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican, Central American, South American, White, and Black. The differences between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are clearly visible.

    I highly recommend checking out Figure S5 if you are interested in this.

    Actually, just found it somewhere else:
    https://qz.com/315756/america-is-much-more-interracial-than-it-thinks/

    https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/latino-second-level-id-23andme.jpeg
    , @EastKekistani
    I haven't found any study that includes a representative sample of both Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. For example Mexico City can not represent Mexico..
  42. Most whites would be oblivious to the animus the average black person feels towards them because most whites are middle class and actually come into very little contact with the average black person. The blacks that middle class whites do come into contact with are the small subset of middle class blacks who, if they are hostile to whites, have learned to do a good job of hiding it. Poorer blacks are closer to the average black person. Poorer whites who live in close proximity to poorer blacks and are familiar with them are more likely to be hostile to blacks and the blacks they are hostile towards return that hostility. Blacks come into little contact with wealthier whites but still dislike them from a distance because they see them as having been “born with a silver spoon in their mouth” who have an easier life they didn’t really earn. This perception of wealthier whites may not be true but it’s the perception many blacks have.

  43. @Truth

    The recurring theme of this graph is the undesirability of blacks and the desirability of whites and Asians.
     
    If I may beg to differ, Old Sport, the recurring theme is the desireability of Asians. Whites are rated as extremely undesirable by two of the three groups.

    The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.
     
    Again, must quarrel a bit here, then why is it that Hispanics (the nation's largest non-white group) dislike whites so much?

    ” … why is it that Hispanics … dislike whites so much?”

    In diverse and vibrant California “Hispanics” are in Reconquista mode. Your grandchildren’s children will be battling it out with the Hispanos over who gets to rule over the ruins of white civilization. My money is on the browns. Regardless of who wins the place will be a sh*thole.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Hey...I'll be dead.
  44. res says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    I've noticed that teenage to early 20's females of all ethnic groups working retail are some of the most miserable humans in the world. All have that bored, entitled demeanor, and could care less about presenting themselves with a friendly, customer service minded attitude.

    My theory is this is the result of big box stores and chain restaurants replacing mom and pop shops. These junior college bound hussies take absolutely no ownership or pride in their job, and there is no business owner present, who's livelihood depends on return customers, demanding accountability from them. So the result is a staff who gives ZF's if you ever come back or not.

    Since young Hispanic women seemingly make up a larger % of these cash register dolts you see at chain outfits, it's an understandable pattern you observe.

    I suggest frequenting a mom and pop restaurant/shop (the Mexican daughters working papi's local taco shop are usually pretty friendly) and observe the difference in customer service from the staff. It's usually palpable.

    I suggest frequenting a mom and pop restaurant/shop (the Mexican daughters working papi’s local taco shop are usually pretty friendly) and observe the difference in customer service from the staff. It’s usually palpable.

    This is an excellent point. I had that exact experience not that long ago. It was kind of fun when the little granddaughter came out to help as well.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    But, but you'll end up paying a dollar--maybe even two dollars!--more to get the same thing that you could get at a big box store!
  45. res says:
    @Truth

    Any idea why Hispanics see Blacks so much more favorably than Whites?
     
    Because everything you've seen on TV about black-Mexican, and black-Puerto Rican turf wars is a fabrication, as is, everything you've seen on TV in general.

    You're welcome.

    Your comment would be much more relevant if I had watched any TV like that in the last decade.

    I was thinking more in terms of Hispanics replacing blacks in places like:
    East Palo Alto: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/TOWN-S-ETHNIC-MAKEUP-SHIFTS-Historically-Black-2982533.php
    Los Angeles: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-gang-firebombing-20180405-story.html

    That last link was pretty nasty. Interesting I had not heard about that incident until I went looking just now. Imagine the headlines if whites had done that!

    • Replies: @Truth
    "If it bleeds it leads"

    Even, i might add, if it is of no significance.
  46. res says:
    @Truth

    The recurring theme of this graph is the undesirability of blacks and the desirability of whites and Asians.
     
    If I may beg to differ, Old Sport, the recurring theme is the desireability of Asians. Whites are rated as extremely undesirable by two of the three groups.

    The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.
     
    Again, must quarrel a bit here, then why is it that Hispanics (the nation's largest non-white group) dislike whites so much?

    Whites are rated as extremely undesirable by two of the three groups.

    Right. Which makes it extremely interesting that so many of those two groups are migrating to a white majority country.

    Again, must quarrel a bit here, then why is it that Hispanics (the nation’s largest non-white group) dislike whites so much?

    That is a very interesting question. It does not match what I see in the real world at all. Probably because most of the Hispanics I see much of are the ones who get along well with whites.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Right. Which makes it extremely interesting that so many of those two groups are migrating to a white majority country.
     
    Indeed. I suspect demonization of Whites is a psychological defense mechanism against feelings of inferiority triggered precisely by their need to live with White to achieve a "better life."

    This, of course, once again calls into question the wisdom of allowing this migration.

  47. @Truth
    Bro, just tell the truth, it's not complicated. You would rather live in a city that is 15% or 20% black than 100% Chinese. I can't blame you.

    You ignored an important variable, namely commies.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Taiwan? Singapore?
    , @Truth
    Every nation gets the government it deserves.
    -Joseph De Maistre
  48. res says:
    @Truth
    Old Sport, you are a certified genius from what I have read in your self description. This would mean that you are smart enough to know that when posting comparable statistics, you should elicit both from the same source.

    Say a single paper. Like: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/

    Figure 2
    The Distribution of Ancestry of Self-Reported Latinos across the US

    Differences in mean levels of African (A), European (B), and Native American (C) ancestry in Latinos from each state is shown by shade of blue, red, and orange, respectively. States with fewer than ten individuals are excluded in gray.

    The best evidence for this is Figure S5 from that paper which you will have to download for yourself:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/#app2

    Figure S5: Ancestry of self-reported Latinos by secondary self-reported subpopulation. Each individual is shown projected onto the triangle by their genome-wide proportions of African, European, and Native American ancestry, by their self-reported Hispanic sub-identity. Proportion of ancestry can be computed for an individual from the distance in dropping a perpendicular line from the point to the edge opposite the vertex.

    It is a very interesting graphic showing the genetic balance between European, African, and Native American ancestry for Hispanics sub-identifying as Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican, Central American, South American, White, and Black. The differences between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are clearly visible.

    I highly recommend checking out Figure S5 if you are interested in this.

    Actually, just found it somewhere else:
    https://qz.com/315756/america-is-much-more-interracial-than-it-thinks/

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Really thanks! You found what I was just looking for.
    , @Anonymous Jew
    No wonder Cubans do so well.
  49. @Truth
    Old Sport, you are a certified genius from what I have read in your self description. This would mean that you are smart enough to know that when posting comparable statistics, you should elicit both from the same source.

    I haven’t found any study that includes a representative sample of both Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. For example Mexico City can not represent Mexico..

  50. @res
    Say a single paper. Like: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/bin/gr2.jpg

    Figure 2
    The Distribution of Ancestry of Self-Reported Latinos across the US

    Differences in mean levels of African (A), European (B), and Native American (C) ancestry in Latinos from each state is shown by shade of blue, red, and orange, respectively. States with fewer than ten individuals are excluded in gray.
     
    The best evidence for this is Figure S5 from that paper which you will have to download for yourself:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/#app2

    Figure S5: Ancestry of self-reported Latinos by secondary self-reported subpopulation. Each individual is shown projected onto the triangle by their genome-wide proportions of African, European, and Native American ancestry, by their self-reported Hispanic sub-identity. Proportion of ancestry can be computed for an individual from the distance in dropping a perpendicular line from the point to the edge opposite the vertex.
     
    It is a very interesting graphic showing the genetic balance between European, African, and Native American ancestry for Hispanics sub-identifying as Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican, Central American, South American, White, and Black. The differences between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are clearly visible.

    I highly recommend checking out Figure S5 if you are interested in this.

    Actually, just found it somewhere else:
    https://qz.com/315756/america-is-much-more-interracial-than-it-thinks/

    https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/latino-second-level-id-23andme.jpeg

    Really thanks! You found what I was just looking for.

  51. @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... why is it that Hispanics ... dislike whites so much?"

    In diverse and vibrant California "Hispanics" are in Reconquista mode. Your grandchildren's children will be battling it out with the Hispanos over who gets to rule over the ruins of white civilization. My money is on the browns. Regardless of who wins the place will be a sh*thole.

    Hey…I’ll be dead.

    • Troll: LondonBob
  52. Let’s not underestimate the degree to which brown peoples are taught to hate in this country. I think this applies particularly to Hispanics, who are the youngest of the four populations. Most of them sit through high school, many of them attend some community college. Being by and large not very intellectually curious, those social studies classes about oppression, racism, privilege, etc., may be the most engaging and memorable moments in their education.

  53. Maybe there are only 2 groupings. (1) The proficient, conscientious, fastidious, industrious, decent people; and (2) The not-those-things people. …..It’s all about traits? Or are we hard-wired to hang with our own race?

    In any case, a fascinating poll and commentary. I would love to see more polls like this. Perception held, by those with tats and piercings, of those without same, and vice-versa. And so on; who has a positive perception of whom.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    Where would be a good place to do a poll on the perceptions held by people with tats and piercings about people without them? A strip club maybe? You could poll the strippers while they are giving you a lap dance but it would get expensive. You could poll them while they are on a pole. I know someone with lots of tats and she thinks that a person she knows without any looks like a school teacher. This would be because pretty much everyone she has known has them with the exception of the teachers she had before she dropped out of school. Since she did drop out of school I would guess her perception of teachers is negative and anyone she would think looks like a teacher would also be negative. Would she be typical or untypical of the tatted up?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Yeah, I'm curious about what Mark G alluded to--how class interacts with perceptions among racial groups. How common is the 1%er POC who is especially aggrieved at whites (ie Michelle Obama)? They are salient, but are they representative? Among whites I assume that as class/prestige/income increases, so does perceived harmony between groups. Eloquently talk about how much you love diversity as a means of avoiding having to live around said diversity!
  54. @songbird
    I consider myself pretty based, yet I am still surprised that blacks would have a net negative opinion of whites - at least, that they would admit it. I mean, that is the thrust of it, isn't it? Or am I misreading it?

    I'd really like to see the European numbers, but maybe that is a verboten topic, even for polling companies.

    Yeah, I’d imagine so with the exception of white leftists, many of whom presumably say relations are bad without having negative feelings towards the groups they say relations are bad with (or at least not wanting that to be the perception, anyway). So as harmonious as whites feel things are relatively speaking, their actual feelings are probably even warmer.

  55. @obwandiyag
    Whites ought to be more worried about Asians than they are. Have you noticed yourself suddenly living in Calcutta? There you go.

    I bet when most people hear “Asian” they instinctively think East Asian, maybe Filipino, especially whites and blacks over the age of 40 or so.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    We never should have stopped using "oriental", since it clearly distinguishes the far East (e.g., epicanthal folds) from the Caucasian peoples of other parts of Asia+the Middle East. Hopefully we don't go down the road of calling Pakistanis "Asian", like they do in Britain. I think that American's are so hard-wired to think of Asians as epicanthal fold people that we'll never use the same term to refer to both non-European/non-African Caucasian people and epicanthal fold people.

    Of course, we in the US also don't really have a consistent term for the Caucasians of North Africa, the Middle East, and West Asia. Generically saying "Arab*" or "Middle-Easterner" to refer to someone who isn't white European, Sub-Saharan African, Hispanic, or a dot-Indian, seems to be common among prole whites; presumably upper class whites try to refer to the specific nationality, or they just don't use any term at all.

    *Some white Americans aren't really aware that a lot of ethnic groups who aren't Arab can be found in the MENA.
  56. @anon
    The extremes on this graph tell the tale.
    1. Whites and Asians share extremely favorable perceptions of each other and share extremely low perceptions of blacks.
    2. Blacks and Hispanics have extremely unfavorable perceptions of whites.
    3. Hispanics can muster only a moderate liking for Blacks, accepting them grudgingly as not very desirable allies in their conflict with whites.
    4. Blacks have stronger favorable impressions of Hispanics, as Hispanics are their only hope for an ally.

    The recurring theme of this graph is the undesirability of blacks and the desirability of whites and Asians.
    Hispanics are a muddle in the middle.

    I take it as a given that while the survey asks "how well do these groups get along with each other", people's answers are to the question "how much do I like/not like these groups".

    The moral to the story is that without blacks, our race conflicts would be greatly diminished. The conflict is not between whites and people of color. The conflict is between blacks and everyone else.

    Selling that to whites is extremely difficult given our general sense of fairness. We brought blacks here. In that sense, we own–ahem, you know what I mean!

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Selling that to whites is extremely difficult given our general sense of fairness. We brought blacks here. In that sense, we own–ahem, you know what I mean!
     
    I get the impression that you think Whites actually believe that our presence is a boon to blacks, whether they realize it or not. I think you are right about this. Perhaps there is something there to work with.
  57. @SafeNow
    Maybe there are only 2 groupings. (1) The proficient, conscientious, fastidious, industrious, decent people; and (2) The not-those-things people. .....It’s all about traits? Or are we hard-wired to hang with our own race?

    In any case, a fascinating poll and commentary. I would love to see more polls like this. Perception held, by those with tats and piercings, of those without same, and vice-versa. And so on; who has a positive perception of whom.

    Where would be a good place to do a poll on the perceptions held by people with tats and piercings about people without them? A strip club maybe? You could poll the strippers while they are giving you a lap dance but it would get expensive. You could poll them while they are on a pole. I know someone with lots of tats and she thinks that a person she knows without any looks like a school teacher. This would be because pretty much everyone she has known has them with the exception of the teachers she had before she dropped out of school. Since she did drop out of school I would guess her perception of teachers is negative and anyone she would think looks like a teacher would also be negative. Would she be typical or untypical of the tatted up?

  58. @sondjata
    The Black-Hispanic thing:

    ". Yet again we see no evidence for the faux idea that blacks and Hispanics are at each other’s throats."

    The most obvious confound here is that "hispanic" is not a race. There are many "Black" Hispanics and generally speaking they are not considered "not black".

    The true test of this issue would be to break down "Hispanic" into component groups. I'm willing to put large money on the table that once split out, "White" and "Indio" hispanics will rate far lower than the above chart would imply.

    For what it’s worth, whites, blacks, and Asians are all non-Hispanic for the purposes of this report. That doesn’t negate the fact that the Hispanic group is of course quite racially diverse.

  59. Anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @baythoven
    One pattern that has repeated itself over several years so as to demand my attention: an increasing animosity from young Hispanic women (to me, upper-middle aged white guy.) Typically, it's a wordless surly stare from behind a cash register.
    Happened again about a week ago at a burrito place. I matched her stare, then turned around and walked out without a word or purchase.

    My experience with non-Mexican Hispanic women is that they tend to be the angriest humans that I know. If I had to come up with the single best generalization for them, that would be it.

    They are too smart to lack anger (ie: they take in the political propaganda like a sponge), and not smart enough to know how to regulate it. They also have a lack of self esteem that makes their use of it especially vicious. I have a Hispanic friend who stated that he will never date one again. I wouldn’t consider dating one even if I were into minority women. I excluded Mexican women because they are too often an exception to that rule.

    Other generalizations:

    Asian women are too status obsessed.

    Black women are secretly the most feminine in the modern United States in terms of women that are born here (which I imagine results from a confluence of their material needs due to poverty, a superficially macho black male culture, and a lack of time spent in the educational system). Its a shame for those that are open to dating them that they fundamentally lack in a lot of other ways that are too important.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    How are Negroid women actually feminine? They look like men to me. Short hair, masculine face, violent behavior, awful smell...All of these traits match "males".

    The most feminine women on this planet are in NE Asia.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... a superficially macho black male culture ..."

    Most black adult males lack maturity and intelligence. They compensate with a theatrical and hollow machismo. While their men engage in various forms of jackassery, black women step up and assume the leadership roles. African American culture is matriarchal.
  60. @Truth
    Again, Old Sport, no.

    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans (by a mile the largest "hispanic" group in America) are, Dominicans are fairly black, Cubans on the mainland are roughly half black half white, but the white ones are the one's in America.

    Let's try another theory, we have time.

    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans

    How so? PR’s have significant black genetic heritage. Mexicans do not.

    I find that plays out in their personalities.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Yep.

    Look at the crime rates of specific Hispanic groups. The Mexican crime rate is higher than the white one. However compared to Puerto Ricans and Cubans Mexicans really behave well..
    , @Truth
    Mexican heritage is largely dictated by region. PR is a small island
  61. Anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @songbird
    I consider myself pretty based, yet I am still surprised that blacks would have a net negative opinion of whites - at least, that they would admit it. I mean, that is the thrust of it, isn't it? Or am I misreading it?

    I'd really like to see the European numbers, but maybe that is a verboten topic, even for polling companies.

    Why would you be surprised that Blacks have a negative opinion of Whites?

    In spite of our singular effort to assure they are not living hunter gatherer lifestyle with bones through their noses and sleeping in a mud or grass hut every night over the course of vastly shortened lifespans, the judeo-commies have been constantly reminding them how evil we are for generations now.

    #jewishfriendship
    #jewsareus
    #jewsamericanasyouandme

  62. @Anon
    My experience with non-Mexican Hispanic women is that they tend to be the angriest humans that I know. If I had to come up with the single best generalization for them, that would be it.

    They are too smart to lack anger (ie: they take in the political propaganda like a sponge), and not smart enough to know how to regulate it. They also have a lack of self esteem that makes their use of it especially vicious. I have a Hispanic friend who stated that he will never date one again. I wouldn't consider dating one even if I were into minority women. I excluded Mexican women because they are too often an exception to that rule.

    Other generalizations:

    Asian women are too status obsessed.

    Black women are secretly the most feminine in the modern United States in terms of women that are born here (which I imagine results from a confluence of their material needs due to poverty, a superficially macho black male culture, and a lack of time spent in the educational system). Its a shame for those that are open to dating them that they fundamentally lack in a lot of other ways that are too important.

    How are Negroid women actually feminine? They look like men to me. Short hair, masculine face, violent behavior, awful smell…All of these traits match “males”.

    The most feminine women on this planet are in NE Asia.

    • Agree: SafeNow, LondonBob
    • Replies: @Truth
    In that case, Old Sport, marry one and stop being an incel
  63. @Anon

    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans
     
    How so? PR's have significant black genetic heritage. Mexicans do not.

    I find that plays out in their personalities.

    Yep.

    Look at the crime rates of specific Hispanic groups. The Mexican crime rate is higher than the white one. However compared to Puerto Ricans and Cubans Mexicans really behave well..

    • Replies: @Truth
    Wrong again, King Friday.

    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Mexico/Puerto-Rico/Crime/table
  64. @EastKekistani
    Yep.

    Look at the crime rates of specific Hispanic groups. The Mexican crime rate is higher than the white one. However compared to Puerto Ricans and Cubans Mexicans really behave well..
    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Wrong again, King Friday.
     
    Wrong? Your link actually proves my point!

    Crime levels:
    Mexico 57.18
    Puerto Rico 81.9

    Puerto Rico has more murders per million people compared to Mexico too even though Mexico is in a drug war..

  65. I worked with a middle aged Hispanic lady who moved to a town near McAllen TX that is nearly 100% Mexican. To her surprise she now looks back fondly at her old workplace with whites and Hispanics being friendly towards each other…it gives her the warm-n-fuzzies.

    Being in a place where everyone is Mexican there should be complete peace and harmony? No not at all. She says there are social class divisions between middle class and lower class Mexicans. She also says there are divisions between Mexican immigrants and Mexican-Americans. Her impression is the Mexicans who grew up in the U.S., especially in her area near the border, are more anti-immigration than whites are. For example her friends and family were furious at the caravan that was headed towards the U.S. This makes me think it’s human nature to divide into groups. If everyone is the same race/ethnicity other divisions appear.

    • Replies: @res

    This makes me think it’s human nature to divide into groups. If everyone is the same race/ethnicity other divisions appear.
     
    That is an important point.

    This is a related idea worth thinking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences
  66. @Truth
    Wrong again, King Friday.

    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Mexico/Puerto-Rico/Crime/table

    Wrong again, King Friday.

    Wrong? Your link actually proves my point!

    Crime levels:
    Mexico 57.18
    Puerto Rico 81.9

    Puerto Rico has more murders per million people compared to Mexico too even though Mexico is in a drug war..

    • Replies: @Truth
    You wrote "really behave well." Mexicans are ahead of PR's in some crime matrices, behins in others
  67. @obwandiyag
    Whites ought to be more worried about Asians than they are. Have you noticed yourself suddenly living in Calcutta? There you go.

    Correct, asians in our countries are the serious problem that the entire political spectrum ignores.

    Blacks can very easily be kept in check by a white population with the will to do so. Hispanics can easily be kept out by a white population that wants to.

    Asians have brains, plus the will and desire to rule over whites, as well as blacks and Hispanics. East asians have the IQ, the brown asians have the numbers and the extreme nepotism (though I question brown competency long term).

    Asians are nice until their numbers are too big, at which point you realize they occupy 70% of the city in an ethnic enclave.

    Whitey beware….

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Do American and European expats living in China, Japan, Singapore, or South Korea feel like they are being ruled over?
    , @EldnahYm
    What you say about East Asians doesn't look accurate for the U.S. as a whole. With Japanese we have a pretty good model of what happens with Northeast Asians. They come over, assimilate, mix heavily with Whites(in the case of Japanese there aren't many full blooded Japanese left), and are both financially successful and politically weak. Meanwhile the source country develops, because Northeast Asians are smart, and the influx of immigrants slows down or stops. Now if we really tried hard we could find a way to let Chinese rule the country, but it would take effort. Right now I don't see much effort in that direction. Affirmative action for example works against East Asians. Asians aren't politically powerful.

    For Southeast Asians, what I say about Northeast Asians is likely to apply to the Vietnamese as well. What's the next group? Filipinos? They rather like White people, and are highly unlikely to rule over them anywhere.

    South Asians long term are likely to be a more serious threat.

  68. @anonymous
    Hispanic includes Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, two groups who don't particularly care for each other. The former identify with blacks much more than the latter with other Hispanic groups coming in elsewhere depending upon their African admixture.
    Blacks are pretty much united in their hatred of whites and the sooner whites understand this the better they'll be able to make sense of things. It's surprising to see that blacks show any positive perceptions for any group whatever since they have a history of rioting against whites, Hispanics and Asians at various times.
    Lumping in Indians with Chinese into some general Asian category would seem to confuse things as these groups are quite different. Whites seem the most delusional about who gets along with them.

    Whites seem the most delusional about who gets along with them.

    Most whites are delusional about most things most of the time.

    Enlightenment plus wealth plus post-Christian guilt complex = a helluva drug.

  69. @216
    In structural terms, the economy has seen decades of wage stagnation in real terms. In the last two years we have seen some small real terms growth.

    To the low-wage workers of the service economy, there is increasing doubt that credentials are affordable or viable, the ordinary path into the middle class.

    So we have a population that believes it is being exploited, and points at people like you as the exploiting class.

    Yes, Rodriguez, it’s that )))white((( guy middle manager over there who’s screwing you over….

  70. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    May God show mercy on my beloved Pennsylvania and remove Brian Sims from our realm so he may no longer torment and humiliate us with his absurd perversity

    "All passions are dishonorable, for the soul is even more damaged and degraded by sin than the body is by disease. But the worst of all passions is lust between men. ... The sins against nature are more problematic and less satisfying, so much so that one cannot even say that they procure pleasure, since true pleasure is only that which is according to nature. But when God abandons a man, everything is turned on its head! Therefore, not only are such [homosexual]passions satanic, but their lives are diabolic ...

    "So, I say to you that they [the homosexuals] are even worse than murderers, and that it would be better to die than to live in such dishonor. A murderer only separates the soul from the body, whereas these [homosexuals] destroy the soul inside the body. ....

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing, more absurd or damaging than this perversity."
     

    - Saint John Chrysostom

    So that’s who St. Jean-Chrysostome, Québec is named after. I learn something new every day.

  71. @Truth

    This is actually a good argument for separate racial spheres of influence. You guys understandably don’t want us to rule over you. We don’t want you guys to rule over us either.
     
    Oh so this is why you live in the Western Hemisphere, instead of China?

    See my comment #68.

    Asians aren’t your friends from the moment they set foot in America.

  72. @216
    Black unemployment numbers are still bad though (above 5%, even before considering U6). That's a main reason why Trump won't get any credit other than from white moderates.

    The high tide of black employment in US history is during the two world wars. White men were conscripted en masse, and immigration ceased. Employers were left with no options other than to hire sharecroppers of minimal literacy.

    One thing that GOP state governments can do to alter the trajectory in the long run, is to cull certain gen ed requirements from public universities. This is the Trojan horse of grievance studies (most students aren't stupid enough to actually major in it). It serves the interest of reducing tuition costs. This minimizes the "rage of a privileged class".

    Thomas Sowell commented in one of his books that the black employment rate was actually HIGHER than the white rate, until the minimum wage came in. Black cheap labor couldn’t compete with the rate required by minimum wage.

    Probe a bit deeper, and you’ll find expressions like “work like a (negro),” which were used to disparage whites who worked as hard as blacks. Most of this has been forgotten since civil rights. But after all, what was slavery but an attempt to extract the value of labor so owners could work less hard. The fact that the slaves whose labor value is extracted are far less likely to be black today in the USA doesn’t change the past.

  73. @EastKekistani
    You ignored an important variable, namely commies.

    Taiwan? Singapore?

    • Replies: @216
    Conscription
    , @EastKekistani
    They are indeed very good places. I have been to Singapore once..and I really love it.
  74. @LondonBob
    Lumping in Orientals with subcons makes little sense, subcons have more in common with MENA than Asia Pacific.

    Lumping in Orientals with subcons makes little sense, subcons have more in common with MENA than Asia Pacific.

    Why? Both groups drive up the cost of housing and compete with White youth for middle-class jobs.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    They all do on that basis.
  75. Now let’s do one with an Ashkenazi category!

  76. @Audacious Epigone
    Selling that to whites is extremely difficult given our general sense of fairness. We brought blacks here. In that sense, we own--ahem, you know what I mean!

    Selling that to whites is extremely difficult given our general sense of fairness. We brought blacks here. In that sense, we own–ahem, you know what I mean!

    I get the impression that you think Whites actually believe that our presence is a boon to blacks, whether they realize it or not. I think you are right about this. Perhaps there is something there to work with.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Yes, I think that's undeniable. If it were otherwise, wouldn't peaceful separation be the obvious leftist solution?
  77. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/284447/get-out

    Sadly, that door is now closing. It’s not just that the number of Jewish students in the Ivies are plummeting—Harvard’s class of 2020, for example, is only 6% Jewish. It’s that the universities themselves, responding to a host of larger cultural, social, and political trends, have divested themselves of the values and practices that have made them mighty engines of American intellectual and economic growth as well as a springboard for striving Americans, Jews and non-Jews alike.

    Something’s happening.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Jews (non-Orthodox, that is) are intermarrying and have TFRs below replacement. As a consequence, "Jews" as a whole in America are in the process of descending towards the gentile white mean on a host of attributes and life outcomes. There are probably some sour grapes here--Jews are feeling the Asian squeeze, too.
  78. @res

    Whites are rated as extremely undesirable by two of the three groups.
     
    Right. Which makes it extremely interesting that so many of those two groups are migrating to a white majority country.

    Again, must quarrel a bit here, then why is it that Hispanics (the nation’s largest non-white group) dislike whites so much?
     
    That is a very interesting question. It does not match what I see in the real world at all. Probably because most of the Hispanics I see much of are the ones who get along well with whites.

    Right. Which makes it extremely interesting that so many of those two groups are migrating to a white majority country.

    Indeed. I suspect demonization of Whites is a psychological defense mechanism against feelings of inferiority triggered precisely by their need to live with White to achieve a “better life.”

    This, of course, once again calls into question the wisdom of allowing this migration.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yup.

    White guilt is triggered by feelings of superiority.

    Non-white hatred against, or non-white worship towards whites is triggered by feelings of inferiority.

    Basically, people play out the opposite of how they really feel.

    - East Asians feel inferior to whites because they have a higher IQ, a long and generally successful history, and believe they are the true superior race, yet have not achieved the same.
    - South Asians feel resentful towards whites because of the British. They also believe that they *are* whites, the true Aryans. They have the biggest inferiority complex, because South Asia is such a shithole. Personally, I find South Asian brains to not be very effective, and do not believe they will ever achieve much.
    - Negroes have a deep, existential hatred towards whites, because they recognize deep down that they are inferior to whites. They rationalize this by saying it's due to slavery. But they know the truth in their hearts.
    - Mexicans and other Hispanics hate whites (but especially Americans) because their colonial projects went so wrong, and they know this is due to racial genetics, and nothing else. But how could they admit that to themselves?
    - Muslim Arabs are a more interesting case. Generally, I think most of the anti-white Arab sentiment comes from the dumber Arabs leaving to go to an open country like Germany. Without the rigid Sharia structure they fail. Arabs (and some other Muslims) are the closest people to whites imo. I have nothing against Muslims, I just don't see us and them ever living in the same country peacefully. They come to the West and don't understand how we can function without such a rigid structure, and see that as us being weak. So they don't respect us. I don't believe they have any inherent hatred for whites though.

    - I believe the two groups ""most opposed"" according to the Jewish media (European Christians and Muslim Arabs) could live quite peacefully with the right people in charge. Not together, but side-by-side. We say no more intervention in Muslim countries in the name of ""democracy"", and you start respecting our borders and stop sending us your idiots. Obviously this is a pipe dream given the current circumstances!

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    tldr: Most people hate whites because we remind them how inferior they are, or have been in the past. We hate ourselves because we remind us how superior we are and that makes our Enlightened selves experience cognitive dissonance.
  79. 216 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    I've noticed that teenage to early 20's females of all ethnic groups working retail are some of the most miserable humans in the world. All have that bored, entitled demeanor, and could care less about presenting themselves with a friendly, customer service minded attitude.

    My theory is this is the result of big box stores and chain restaurants replacing mom and pop shops. These junior college bound hussies take absolutely no ownership or pride in their job, and there is no business owner present, who's livelihood depends on return customers, demanding accountability from them. So the result is a staff who gives ZF's if you ever come back or not.

    Since young Hispanic women seemingly make up a larger % of these cash register dolts you see at chain outfits, it's an understandable pattern you observe.

    I suggest frequenting a mom and pop restaurant/shop (the Mexican daughters working papi's local taco shop are usually pretty friendly) and observe the difference in customer service from the staff. It's usually palpable.

    My theory is this is the result of big box stores and chain restaurants replacing mom and pop shops. These junior college bound hussies take absolutely no ownership or pride in their job, and there is no business owner present, who’s livelihood depends on return customers, demanding accountability from them. So the result is a staff who gives ZF’s if you ever come back or not.

    When I worked retail there were a large number of single mothers working there, recall that 40% of total births are now out of wedlock. That’s a group that inevitably has a chip on the shoulder.

    A lot of the tertiary sector is increasinly data driven, there’s typically a “survey with chance to win gift card” at the bottom of every receipt. If a bad survey comes back, hell is raised by management.

    I’ll be surprised if cashiers are still common 10 years from now. Corporate has aimed to make them obsolete for decades, probably ignoring better automation opportunities in the back-of-the-house. Come the next recession, major layoffs are incoming in retail, akin to the fallout of the steel industry in the 1970s.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    Some stores in my city tried going self checkout but theft increased so dramatically they took it out and went back to all cashieers. The one store I know of that still has self checkout has at least one person monitoring it at all times.
  80. @TomSchmidt
    Taiwan? Singapore?

    Conscription

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Speaking of conscription Taiwan had conscription due to the commie menace. Singapore has conscription due to the SEA menace.

    Singapore is indeed a country that roughly fits my values well. I may move there at some point. It is rich, urban, safe and has almost no blacks. Moreover it is a NE Asian settler colony in SEA.

  81. @TomSchmidt
    Taiwan? Singapore?

    They are indeed very good places. I have been to Singapore once..and I really love it.

  82. @216
    Conscription

    Speaking of conscription Taiwan had conscription due to the commie menace. Singapore has conscription due to the SEA menace.

    Singapore is indeed a country that roughly fits my values well. I may move there at some point. It is rich, urban, safe and has almost no blacks. Moreover it is a NE Asian settler colony in SEA.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I don't know if Singapore is really a functional country. Some have called it an IQ shredder. It relies on immigrants from China and when they get there, they have even lower fertility. I don't know if that is fixable. Maybe, it is the wrong scale to be a functional country - too urban, when you need a mix of rural and suburban.
    , @Truth
    No better time than the present, DMB. I get the feeling that you could get quite a few people who know you to chip in on a one-way ticket.
  83. @EastKekistani
    Speaking of conscription Taiwan had conscription due to the commie menace. Singapore has conscription due to the SEA menace.

    Singapore is indeed a country that roughly fits my values well. I may move there at some point. It is rich, urban, safe and has almost no blacks. Moreover it is a NE Asian settler colony in SEA.

    I don’t know if Singapore is really a functional country. Some have called it an IQ shredder. It relies on immigrants from China and when they get there, they have even lower fertility. I don’t know if that is fixable. Maybe, it is the wrong scale to be a functional country – too urban, when you need a mix of rural and suburban.

  84. 216 says:

    o/t

    If you have the tendency to browse Boomerbart, you might notice the recurring “CNN losing viewers” headlines. Today it was announced that CNN will be laying people off.

    But those who can see in three dimensions can recognize that CNN is nowhere near as weak as its viewing numbers appear.

    The CNN Twitter account has 42 mln followers, CNN Breaking News has 55 mln followers. Far, far in excess of what they get on cable.

    The real wonder is that CNN is giving away this content without any advertising kickbacks from Twitter and the rest of Big Social.

    • Replies: @216
    Breitbart TWTR followers 1.1 mln

    New York Times followers 43 mln

    Yes, we live under Liberal Supremacy
  85. @216

    My theory is this is the result of big box stores and chain restaurants replacing mom and pop shops. These junior college bound hussies take absolutely no ownership or pride in their job, and there is no business owner present, who’s livelihood depends on return customers, demanding accountability from them. So the result is a staff who gives ZF’s if you ever come back or not.
     
    When I worked retail there were a large number of single mothers working there, recall that 40% of total births are now out of wedlock. That's a group that inevitably has a chip on the shoulder.

    A lot of the tertiary sector is increasinly data driven, there's typically a "survey with chance to win gift card" at the bottom of every receipt. If a bad survey comes back, hell is raised by management.

    I'll be surprised if cashiers are still common 10 years from now. Corporate has aimed to make them obsolete for decades, probably ignoring better automation opportunities in the back-of-the-house. Come the next recession, major layoffs are incoming in retail, akin to the fallout of the steel industry in the 1970s.

    Some stores in my city tried going self checkout but theft increased so dramatically they took it out and went back to all cashieers. The one store I know of that still has self checkout has at least one person monitoring it at all times.

    • Replies: @216
    Look into the Amazon GO bodega concept. No cashiers, and initially no cash payments. PeeOhCee flexed their muscles to force them to take cash.
  86. @216
    o/t

    If you have the tendency to browse Boomerbart, you might notice the recurring "CNN losing viewers" headlines. Today it was announced that CNN will be laying people off.

    But those who can see in three dimensions can recognize that CNN is nowhere near as weak as its viewing numbers appear.

    The CNN Twitter account has 42 mln followers, CNN Breaking News has 55 mln followers. Far, far in excess of what they get on cable.

    The real wonder is that CNN is giving away this content without any advertising kickbacks from Twitter and the rest of Big Social.

    Breitbart TWTR followers 1.1 mln

    New York Times followers 43 mln

    Yes, we live under Liberal Supremacy

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    But their website traffic isn't anywhere like that disparate, more like 2-1 in favor of the NYT.
  87. @Jay Fink
    Some stores in my city tried going self checkout but theft increased so dramatically they took it out and went back to all cashieers. The one store I know of that still has self checkout has at least one person monitoring it at all times.

    Look into the Amazon GO bodega concept. No cashiers, and initially no cash payments. PeeOhCee flexed their muscles to force them to take cash.

  88. @Audacious Epigone
    Not sure other than for the obvious political reasons.

    I suspect that this poll has somehow exaggerated Hispanic animosity towards Whites (which has never struck me as overly intense). I suspect what’s going on here is that a lot of people whom most Whites would perceive as Hispanic, may identify as Whites. And unsurprisingly, they are OK with White people, but since they told the pollsters they were White, their relatively harmonious viewpoint didn’t get tallied under the Hispanic column. I have no evidence for this, of course, but it comports with my experience of having spent 39 years in California (1972-2011).

    • Replies: @baythoven
    Things have changed since 2011. A significant increase in Hispanic animosity during this decade. (My experience having spent the years 1974-2019 in California.)
    , @Jay Fink
    That poll is out of synch with my personal experiences. I live in a very Hispanic city. My large workplace is around 80% Hispanic. I'm not feeling the animosity at all. I have felt it among blacks at different times in my life but not Hispanics...they are all nice and friendly towards me or really quiet and shy.

    Maybe it's because there are so few liberal whites where I live (Yakima WA) but my sense is there is a much higher rate of animosity from whites towards Hispanics than the other way around. I hear negative comments from whites all the time, pretty much every day. They talk about this town as a former Leave It To Beaver type of place that completely got ruined when Mexicans moved here or "took over the town" as they say.
  89. @Stan d Mute
    These surveys almost invariably look like a proxy for genetic distance don’t they? It’s almost as if the greater the genetic distance, the more advanced the speciation process has progressed, the less compatible the subjects..

    In this particular result, the head scratcher is the Mestizo/Mulatto result. Africans and Mesoamericans are as distant genetically as Africans and anyone else. And in the real world we see how this plays out as we’d expect with school riots, prison riots, ethnic replacement/displacement of neighborhoods and entire cities as Mestizos move in and push Mulattos out. So why the poll result showing such high favorability? My guess is that in an abstract political sense, both see themselves as less successful than whites or Asians and it’s a proxy for “dislike whitey (and/or rich Asians) more than an actual statement of how well the two populations like one another.

    As @Songbird noted above, our current year political/media propaganda bullshit is working to turn Mestizos into Mulattos. It shows up in welfare dependency and anti-white political activism even if it doesn’t appear in the way the groups choose to live, work, and worship.

    Steve Sailer has pointed out that subsequent Hispanic generations do tend to assimilate to American norms–black American norms.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Steve earned his PhD in Sociology, where?
  90. @Anon
    My experience with non-Mexican Hispanic women is that they tend to be the angriest humans that I know. If I had to come up with the single best generalization for them, that would be it.

    They are too smart to lack anger (ie: they take in the political propaganda like a sponge), and not smart enough to know how to regulate it. They also have a lack of self esteem that makes their use of it especially vicious. I have a Hispanic friend who stated that he will never date one again. I wouldn't consider dating one even if I were into minority women. I excluded Mexican women because they are too often an exception to that rule.

    Other generalizations:

    Asian women are too status obsessed.

    Black women are secretly the most feminine in the modern United States in terms of women that are born here (which I imagine results from a confluence of their material needs due to poverty, a superficially macho black male culture, and a lack of time spent in the educational system). Its a shame for those that are open to dating them that they fundamentally lack in a lot of other ways that are too important.

    ” … a superficially macho black male culture …”

    Most black adult males lack maturity and intelligence. They compensate with a theatrical and hollow machismo. While their men engage in various forms of jackassery, black women step up and assume the leadership roles. African American culture is matriarchal.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Black cultures are not matriarchal because matriarchies don't actually exist not because women suck or are inferior (nope lol) but because they are too peaceful to dominate a society. Instead they are usually matrilineal/matrilocal.

    To see that we can look at the African market place. Women are often the vast majority of merchants. We can also look at the fields. Women farm while men often don't. Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.

    I don't think black men "compensate for" their immaturity and lack of intelligence with machismo. On the other hand I think masculinity and machismo are simply roughly equivalent in a black context. Blacks may actually pattern match "labor" to "feminine". I'm not sure..

    A more moderate version of the same system exists in SE Asia. That's literally how the Philippines and Indonesia function. Even Vietnam works like that to some extant.

  91. @Jay Fink
    I worked with a middle aged Hispanic lady who moved to a town near McAllen TX that is nearly 100% Mexican. To her surprise she now looks back fondly at her old workplace with whites and Hispanics being friendly towards each other...it gives her the warm-n-fuzzies.

    Being in a place where everyone is Mexican there should be complete peace and harmony? No not at all. She says there are social class divisions between middle class and lower class Mexicans. She also says there are divisions between Mexican immigrants and Mexican-Americans. Her impression is the Mexicans who grew up in the U.S., especially in her area near the border, are more anti-immigration than whites are. For example her friends and family were furious at the caravan that was headed towards the U.S. This makes me think it's human nature to divide into groups. If everyone is the same race/ethnicity other divisions appear.

    This makes me think it’s human nature to divide into groups. If everyone is the same race/ethnicity other divisions appear.

    That is an important point.

    This is a related idea worth thinking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences

  92. 216 says:

    Niall Ferguson on the Generational Eclipse

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/coming-generation-war/588670/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_term=2019-05-06T15%3A54%3A29

    The conclusions here are very depressing for the Right.

    If we don’t get self-determination, and Redstan(s) we will be inundated.

    • Replies: @216

    According to a Marist poll last December, a sizable majority of Americans under 29 want to see the country become “more politically correct.” But voters over 30 oppose the rise of political correctness by a factor of nearly 2 to 1. This is a wedge issue that Republicans will exploit with gusto.
     
    Manners maketh man


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  93. @EastKekistani

    That’s pretty much the driver of all this, isn’t it? Blacks pretty much hate everybody and what’s more they even hate themselves judging by their ridiculous homicide rate amongst themselves. Take them out of the equation and we wouldn’t even be having most of these discussions.
     
    Exactly. My proposal is that blacks should be scientifically recognized as several distinct subspecies (Bantu, Nilotic, Khoisan, Pygmy, etc) of Homo sapiens and that all non-black races are subgroups of a particularly divergent subgroup of the Nilotic subspecies. That will help a lot with understanding of this issue. We have to develop terms that distinguish them from the rest of humanity.

    The extent to which that makes sense to do (or not) is something we will know by the end of the next decade, and probably sooner than that. We are now in the era of the $1000 fully-sequenced, 30-run genomes.

  94. 216 says:
    @216
    Niall Ferguson on the Generational Eclipse

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/coming-generation-war/588670/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_term=2019-05-06T15%3A54%3A29

    The conclusions here are very depressing for the Right.

    If we don't get self-determination, and Redstan(s) we will be inundated.

    According to a Marist poll last December, a sizable majority of Americans under 29 want to see the country become “more politically correct.” But voters over 30 oppose the rise of political correctness by a factor of nearly 2 to 1. This is a wedge issue that Republicans will exploit with gusto.

    Manners maketh man

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  95. @res

    I suggest frequenting a mom and pop restaurant/shop (the Mexican daughters working papi’s local taco shop are usually pretty friendly) and observe the difference in customer service from the staff. It’s usually palpable.
     
    This is an excellent point. I had that exact experience not that long ago. It was kind of fun when the little granddaughter came out to help as well.

    But, but you’ll end up paying a dollar–maybe even two dollars!–more to get the same thing that you could get at a big box store!

  96. @Truth

    This is actually a good argument for separate racial spheres of influence. You guys understandably don’t want us to rule over you. We don’t want you guys to rule over us either.
     
    Oh so this is why you live in the Western Hemisphere, instead of China?

    FYI EastKekistaini is a subcon.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Nope. That's an absurd belief.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Why do you say that? You would know well, though and I put value in your judgement.
  97. @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... a superficially macho black male culture ..."

    Most black adult males lack maturity and intelligence. They compensate with a theatrical and hollow machismo. While their men engage in various forms of jackassery, black women step up and assume the leadership roles. African American culture is matriarchal.

    Black cultures are not matriarchal because matriarchies don’t actually exist not because women suck or are inferior (nope lol) but because they are too peaceful to dominate a society. Instead they are usually matrilineal/matrilocal.

    To see that we can look at the African market place. Women are often the vast majority of merchants. We can also look at the fields. Women farm while men often don’t. Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.

    I don’t think black men “compensate for” their immaturity and lack of intelligence with machismo. On the other hand I think masculinity and machismo are simply roughly equivalent in a black context. Blacks may actually pattern match “labor” to “feminine”. I’m not sure..

    A more moderate version of the same system exists in SE Asia. That’s literally how the Philippines and Indonesia function. Even Vietnam works like that to some extant.

    • Replies: @Truth

    Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.
     
    Oh, were you alive before the European and Middle Eastern influence on Africa, or has your reading ability in Early Kushite allowed you to peruse selections from the Nubian libraries?
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "Black cultures are not matriarchal because matriarchies don't actually exist ..."

    African American culture is indeed matriarchal. That doesn't mean there aren't any black male leaders in public and private life. It's just on the whole black women are dominant in their communities. They have to be. Black male jackassery is accepted and expected in the U.S.. White elites in culture and sports make bank off of black buffoonery.
  98. @DB Cooper
    FYI EastKekistaini is a subcon.

    Nope. That’s an absurd belief.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm pretty sure DB Cooper is a subcon therefor projecting.
  99. @SafeNow
    Maybe there are only 2 groupings. (1) The proficient, conscientious, fastidious, industrious, decent people; and (2) The not-those-things people. .....It’s all about traits? Or are we hard-wired to hang with our own race?

    In any case, a fascinating poll and commentary. I would love to see more polls like this. Perception held, by those with tats and piercings, of those without same, and vice-versa. And so on; who has a positive perception of whom.

    Yeah, I’m curious about what Mark G alluded to–how class interacts with perceptions among racial groups. How common is the 1%er POC who is especially aggrieved at whites (ie Michelle Obama)? They are salient, but are they representative? Among whites I assume that as class/prestige/income increases, so does perceived harmony between groups. Eloquently talk about how much you love diversity as a means of avoiding having to live around said diversity!

  100. @Rosie

    Right. Which makes it extremely interesting that so many of those two groups are migrating to a white majority country.
     
    Indeed. I suspect demonization of Whites is a psychological defense mechanism against feelings of inferiority triggered precisely by their need to live with White to achieve a "better life."

    This, of course, once again calls into question the wisdom of allowing this migration.

    Yup.

    White guilt is triggered by feelings of superiority.

    Non-white hatred against, or non-white worship towards whites is triggered by feelings of inferiority.

    Basically, people play out the opposite of how they really feel.

    – East Asians feel inferior to whites because they have a higher IQ, a long and generally successful history, and believe they are the true superior race, yet have not achieved the same.
    – South Asians feel resentful towards whites because of the British. They also believe that they *are* whites, the true Aryans. They have the biggest inferiority complex, because South Asia is such a shithole. Personally, I find South Asian brains to not be very effective, and do not believe they will ever achieve much.
    – Negroes have a deep, existential hatred towards whites, because they recognize deep down that they are inferior to whites. They rationalize this by saying it’s due to slavery. But they know the truth in their hearts.
    – Mexicans and other Hispanics hate whites (but especially Americans) because their colonial projects went so wrong, and they know this is due to racial genetics, and nothing else. But how could they admit that to themselves?
    – Muslim Arabs are a more interesting case. Generally, I think most of the anti-white Arab sentiment comes from the dumber Arabs leaving to go to an open country like Germany. Without the rigid Sharia structure they fail. Arabs (and some other Muslims) are the closest people to whites imo. I have nothing against Muslims, I just don’t see us and them ever living in the same country peacefully. They come to the West and don’t understand how we can function without such a rigid structure, and see that as us being weak. So they don’t respect us. I don’t believe they have any inherent hatred for whites though.

    – I believe the two groups “”most opposed”” according to the Jewish media (European Christians and Muslim Arabs) could live quite peacefully with the right people in charge. Not together, but side-by-side. We say no more intervention in Muslim countries in the name of “”democracy””, and you start respecting our borders and stop sending us your idiots. Obviously this is a pipe dream given the current circumstances!

    ————————————————————————————

    tldr: Most people hate whites because we remind them how inferior they are, or have been in the past. We hate ourselves because we remind us how superior we are and that makes our Enlightened selves experience cognitive dissonance.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    – East Asians feel inferior to whites because they have a higher IQ, a long and generally successful history, and believe they are the true superior race, yet have not achieved the same.
     
    Well, we will. :-) We need to fix conformism and lack of innovation (and in fact having too little aggressiveness). That's it. These can be fixed anyway. Everything else generally has already been fixed.

    Arabs (and some other Muslims) are the closest people to whites imo.
     
    I agree with you. If I need to find a people similar to you guys in traits I will pick Middle Easterners.

    Most people hate whites because we remind them how inferior they are, or have been in the past.
     
    I think hatred towards whites is stupid.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    It does seem though that white guilt is highest around SWPLs who live around Asians rather than lower class whites who live around non-Asian minorities. Do whites who live and work around lots of Asians (ie whites in San Francisco) really feel superior to said Asians and consequently guilty about it?
  101. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Correct, asians in our countries are the serious problem that the entire political spectrum ignores.

    Blacks can very easily be kept in check by a white population with the will to do so. Hispanics can easily be kept out by a white population that wants to.

    Asians have brains, plus the will and desire to rule over whites, as well as blacks and Hispanics. East asians have the IQ, the brown asians have the numbers and the extreme nepotism (though I question brown competency long term).

    Asians are nice until their numbers are too big, at which point you realize they occupy 70% of the city in an ethnic enclave.

    Whitey beware....

    Do American and European expats living in China, Japan, Singapore, or South Korea feel like they are being ruled over?

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    No, because everybody knows where they stand in Singapore. They are foreigners and they accept this, and submit to the government. I do not accept being a foreigner in my own country.

    The Asians in America are also influenced by the left and become radically anti-white. They will ultimately use it as a Lebensraum to expand for their own people.

    Regardless of how "decent" it is for expats to live in Singapore, I have no interest in living under Asian rule in my homeland, a white country.
    , @White Guy In Japan
    Yes. I love my Asian overlords.

    I am an Uncle Tom gaijin.
  102. @Rosie

    Selling that to whites is extremely difficult given our general sense of fairness. We brought blacks here. In that sense, we own–ahem, you know what I mean!
     
    I get the impression that you think Whites actually believe that our presence is a boon to blacks, whether they realize it or not. I think you are right about this. Perhaps there is something there to work with.

    Yes, I think that’s undeniable. If it were otherwise, wouldn’t peaceful separation be the obvious leftist solution?

  103. @Anon
    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/284447/get-out

    Sadly, that door is now closing. It’s not just that the number of Jewish students in the Ivies are plummeting—Harvard’s class of 2020, for example, is only 6% Jewish. It’s that the universities themselves, responding to a host of larger cultural, social, and political trends, have divested themselves of the values and practices that have made them mighty engines of American intellectual and economic growth as well as a springboard for striving Americans, Jews and non-Jews alike.

    Something's happening.

    Jews (non-Orthodox, that is) are intermarrying and have TFRs below replacement. As a consequence, “Jews” as a whole in America are in the process of descending towards the gentile white mean on a host of attributes and life outcomes. There are probably some sour grapes here–Jews are feeling the Asian squeeze, too.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Jews (non-Orthodox, that is) are intermarrying and have TFRs below replacement.“Jews” as a whole in America are in the process of descending towards the gentile white mean

    The "name dem Jews" brigade is gonna have to get a lot smarter to stay at the top of its game. (Hey! Predator-prey evolution.)

    , @Feryl
    But they are largely marrying with gentile elites, and the implications here ought to be pretty obvious. On the other hand, many low-IQ gentile white women are shacking up with low-average quality blacks. Again, the implication here need not be spelled out.

    ........OK, for those who are curious: America will become like most of Latin America, where the fair skinned elite sits above a teeming mass of diversity. Each presumed "strong-hold" of middle class normal American culture will give way, one by one, to diverse prole culture, while elites tend to increasingly fortified communities. This has already happened in Southern California* to some extent, and it's hard to envision this not unfolding elsewhere.

    *The Deep South has always been neo-feudalist, except that it was rich whites living above blacks and prole whites, for a long, long time. But this is no longer the case in Georgia (where large number of New Americans have settled over the last 20 years). Of course, being the Midlander that I am, I can't help but smirk that anyone with the slightest trace of fairness would lament the reduction in the number of whites in the Deep South, given it's historical culture of elite contempt for a strong middle class. The class structure of the traditional Deep South, in any event, is going to spread to every other region of America; it already has to California.
  104. @216
    Breitbart TWTR followers 1.1 mln

    New York Times followers 43 mln

    Yes, we live under Liberal Supremacy

    But their website traffic isn’t anywhere like that disparate, more like 2-1 in favor of the NYT.

  105. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yup.

    White guilt is triggered by feelings of superiority.

    Non-white hatred against, or non-white worship towards whites is triggered by feelings of inferiority.

    Basically, people play out the opposite of how they really feel.

    - East Asians feel inferior to whites because they have a higher IQ, a long and generally successful history, and believe they are the true superior race, yet have not achieved the same.
    - South Asians feel resentful towards whites because of the British. They also believe that they *are* whites, the true Aryans. They have the biggest inferiority complex, because South Asia is such a shithole. Personally, I find South Asian brains to not be very effective, and do not believe they will ever achieve much.
    - Negroes have a deep, existential hatred towards whites, because they recognize deep down that they are inferior to whites. They rationalize this by saying it's due to slavery. But they know the truth in their hearts.
    - Mexicans and other Hispanics hate whites (but especially Americans) because their colonial projects went so wrong, and they know this is due to racial genetics, and nothing else. But how could they admit that to themselves?
    - Muslim Arabs are a more interesting case. Generally, I think most of the anti-white Arab sentiment comes from the dumber Arabs leaving to go to an open country like Germany. Without the rigid Sharia structure they fail. Arabs (and some other Muslims) are the closest people to whites imo. I have nothing against Muslims, I just don't see us and them ever living in the same country peacefully. They come to the West and don't understand how we can function without such a rigid structure, and see that as us being weak. So they don't respect us. I don't believe they have any inherent hatred for whites though.

    - I believe the two groups ""most opposed"" according to the Jewish media (European Christians and Muslim Arabs) could live quite peacefully with the right people in charge. Not together, but side-by-side. We say no more intervention in Muslim countries in the name of ""democracy"", and you start respecting our borders and stop sending us your idiots. Obviously this is a pipe dream given the current circumstances!

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    tldr: Most people hate whites because we remind them how inferior they are, or have been in the past. We hate ourselves because we remind us how superior we are and that makes our Enlightened selves experience cognitive dissonance.

    – East Asians feel inferior to whites because they have a higher IQ, a long and generally successful history, and believe they are the true superior race, yet have not achieved the same.

    Well, we will. 🙂 We need to fix conformism and lack of innovation (and in fact having too little aggressiveness). That’s it. These can be fixed anyway. Everything else generally has already been fixed.

    Arabs (and some other Muslims) are the closest people to whites imo.

    I agree with you. If I need to find a people similar to you guys in traits I will pick Middle Easterners.

    Most people hate whites because we remind them how inferior they are, or have been in the past.

    I think hatred towards whites is stupid.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    More importantly, I think a lot of non-whites hate whites because lots of whites not only willingly permit them to do so but encourage and join in on it.
    , @iffen
    (and in fact having too little aggressiveness).

    Yeah, those Japanese in WWII and the Chinese and Koreans in the "Conflict" were baby milquetoasts. Not to mention their cousins Charlie.
  106. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yup.

    White guilt is triggered by feelings of superiority.

    Non-white hatred against, or non-white worship towards whites is triggered by feelings of inferiority.

    Basically, people play out the opposite of how they really feel.

    - East Asians feel inferior to whites because they have a higher IQ, a long and generally successful history, and believe they are the true superior race, yet have not achieved the same.
    - South Asians feel resentful towards whites because of the British. They also believe that they *are* whites, the true Aryans. They have the biggest inferiority complex, because South Asia is such a shithole. Personally, I find South Asian brains to not be very effective, and do not believe they will ever achieve much.
    - Negroes have a deep, existential hatred towards whites, because they recognize deep down that they are inferior to whites. They rationalize this by saying it's due to slavery. But they know the truth in their hearts.
    - Mexicans and other Hispanics hate whites (but especially Americans) because their colonial projects went so wrong, and they know this is due to racial genetics, and nothing else. But how could they admit that to themselves?
    - Muslim Arabs are a more interesting case. Generally, I think most of the anti-white Arab sentiment comes from the dumber Arabs leaving to go to an open country like Germany. Without the rigid Sharia structure they fail. Arabs (and some other Muslims) are the closest people to whites imo. I have nothing against Muslims, I just don't see us and them ever living in the same country peacefully. They come to the West and don't understand how we can function without such a rigid structure, and see that as us being weak. So they don't respect us. I don't believe they have any inherent hatred for whites though.

    - I believe the two groups ""most opposed"" according to the Jewish media (European Christians and Muslim Arabs) could live quite peacefully with the right people in charge. Not together, but side-by-side. We say no more intervention in Muslim countries in the name of ""democracy"", and you start respecting our borders and stop sending us your idiots. Obviously this is a pipe dream given the current circumstances!

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    tldr: Most people hate whites because we remind them how inferior they are, or have been in the past. We hate ourselves because we remind us how superior we are and that makes our Enlightened selves experience cognitive dissonance.

    It does seem though that white guilt is highest around SWPLs who live around Asians rather than lower class whites who live around non-Asian minorities. Do whites who live and work around lots of Asians (ie whites in San Francisco) really feel superior to said Asians and consequently guilty about it?

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Nah those whites feel equal to Asians, while Asians feel that they are rightfully superior to said whites.

    The white guilt comes from running away from blacks and to a lesser degree Hispanics.
  107. @EastKekistani

    – East Asians feel inferior to whites because they have a higher IQ, a long and generally successful history, and believe they are the true superior race, yet have not achieved the same.
     
    Well, we will. :-) We need to fix conformism and lack of innovation (and in fact having too little aggressiveness). That's it. These can be fixed anyway. Everything else generally has already been fixed.

    Arabs (and some other Muslims) are the closest people to whites imo.
     
    I agree with you. If I need to find a people similar to you guys in traits I will pick Middle Easterners.

    Most people hate whites because we remind them how inferior they are, or have been in the past.
     
    I think hatred towards whites is stupid.

    More importantly, I think a lot of non-whites hate whites because lots of whites not only willingly permit them to do so but encourage and join in on it.

    • Agree: 216
    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    More importantly, I think a lot of non-whites hate whites because lots of whites not only willingly permit them to do so but encourage and join in on it.
     
    That applies in liberal white-majority countries only. Outside them it is mostly ethnonationalism preached in public schools at work.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yeah, basically this is how it goes:

    Annoying white liberals, who minorities would naturally hate, direct their ire towards working class deplorables.

    It's a smart strategy - it keeps the heat off their backs while a) demonizing a political and cultural opponent and b) preventing the minorities from effecting any real change. You can attack Cletus from Kentucky all you want but he ain't got no money to give you when you raise his taxes. Pelosi can keep all hers while the minorities focus on the real bad and racist guys like Cletus.
    , @Truth
    "Wi dindu nuffin."
  108. @Audacious Epigone
    More importantly, I think a lot of non-whites hate whites because lots of whites not only willingly permit them to do so but encourage and join in on it.

    More importantly, I think a lot of non-whites hate whites because lots of whites not only willingly permit them to do so but encourage and join in on it.

    That applies in liberal white-majority countries only. Outside them it is mostly ethnonationalism preached in public schools at work.

  109. @DB Cooper
    FYI EastKekistaini is a subcon.

    Why do you say that? You would know well, though and I put value in your judgement.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Because he doesn't understand me well and just pattern match me to a false flag Indian poster. It's fairly funny that he pattern matches me as Gujarati. He has at least picked a fairly close Indian variant of my actual background. Wu-speakers tend to be merchants. So do Gujaratis.

    Ideologies often correlate with personality. My personality definitely does not correlate with nationalism which also applies in China. I'm not an aggressive macho dude. Instead I'm a calm and calculating thinker. My lack of aggression towards Europeans, Indians and Arabs is clearly not interpreted accurately by him.

  110. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Why do you say that? You would know well, though and I put value in your judgement.

    Because he doesn’t understand me well and just pattern match me to a false flag Indian poster. It’s fairly funny that he pattern matches me as Gujarati. He has at least picked a fairly close Indian variant of my actual background. Wu-speakers tend to be merchants. So do Gujaratis.

    Ideologies often correlate with personality. My personality definitely does not correlate with nationalism which also applies in China. I’m not an aggressive macho dude. Instead I’m a calm and calculating thinker. My lack of aggression towards Europeans, Indians and Arabs is clearly not interpreted accurately by him.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    "It’s fairly funny that he pattern matches me as Gujarati."

    I said EastKekistani is an Indian. I never said he is a Gujarati. May be he is, may be he is not. Where did he get that from?


    The reason I said EastKekistani is an Indian is that he has said many things that strongly indicate he is an Indian. He said he is Chinese but there are things he said that strongly indicate he is not Chinese.
    , @Truth
    ...Or maybe he's right; and you're lying. Who knows?
  111. @Audacious Epigone
    Do American and European expats living in China, Japan, Singapore, or South Korea feel like they are being ruled over?

    No, because everybody knows where they stand in Singapore. They are foreigners and they accept this, and submit to the government. I do not accept being a foreigner in my own country.

    The Asians in America are also influenced by the left and become radically anti-white. They will ultimately use it as a Lebensraum to expand for their own people.

    Regardless of how “decent” it is for expats to live in Singapore, I have no interest in living under Asian rule in my homeland, a white country.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    The Asians in America are also influenced by the left and become radically anti-white.
     
    As I said before this is indeed. These people who stand with Negroids need to visit NE Asia because it is actually fairly wealthy now. Since we aren't Negroids why shall we accept Negroid ideologies such as hatred towards whites? They can't achieve hence they are bitter. On the other hand we can achieve and are achieving.. Seriously such hatred feels low status to me. If you aren't a loser you shouldn't hate winners or perceived winners.

    They will ultimately use it as a Lebensraum to expand for their own people.
     
    I indeed want Lebensraum. However Lebensraum requires fighting. If we can fix the problem of lack of will to fight SE Asia is a much better expansion target compared to the West. If we can't then it can't be done at all.
  112. @Audacious Epigone
    It does seem though that white guilt is highest around SWPLs who live around Asians rather than lower class whites who live around non-Asian minorities. Do whites who live and work around lots of Asians (ie whites in San Francisco) really feel superior to said Asians and consequently guilty about it?

    Nah those whites feel equal to Asians, while Asians feel that they are rightfully superior to said whites.

    The white guilt comes from running away from blacks and to a lesser degree Hispanics.

  113. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    No, because everybody knows where they stand in Singapore. They are foreigners and they accept this, and submit to the government. I do not accept being a foreigner in my own country.

    The Asians in America are also influenced by the left and become radically anti-white. They will ultimately use it as a Lebensraum to expand for their own people.

    Regardless of how "decent" it is for expats to live in Singapore, I have no interest in living under Asian rule in my homeland, a white country.

    The Asians in America are also influenced by the left and become radically anti-white.

    As I said before this is indeed. These people who stand with Negroids need to visit NE Asia because it is actually fairly wealthy now. Since we aren’t Negroids why shall we accept Negroid ideologies such as hatred towards whites? They can’t achieve hence they are bitter. On the other hand we can achieve and are achieving.. Seriously such hatred feels low status to me. If you aren’t a loser you shouldn’t hate winners or perceived winners.

    They will ultimately use it as a Lebensraum to expand for their own people.

    I indeed want Lebensraum. However Lebensraum requires fighting. If we can fix the problem of lack of will to fight SE Asia is a much better expansion target compared to the West. If we can’t then it can’t be done at all.

    • Replies: @216

    I indeed want Lebensraum. However Lebensraum requires fighting. If we can fix the problem of lack of will to fight SE Asia is a much better expansion target compared to the West. If we can’t then it can’t be done at all.
     
    I can't help but cringe when I see this.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Why do you need expansion when you're approaching population decline (and are already there in Japan)?
    , @Truth

    I indeed want Lebensraum.
     
    Hey, Russia has plenty of it, and you share a border with them. Lock and load, Old Sport!*

    *(I mean your fingers on the keyboard, of course. I don't expect you to actually, like, do anything, that carries risk.)

  114. 216 says:
    @EastKekistani

    The Asians in America are also influenced by the left and become radically anti-white.
     
    As I said before this is indeed. These people who stand with Negroids need to visit NE Asia because it is actually fairly wealthy now. Since we aren't Negroids why shall we accept Negroid ideologies such as hatred towards whites? They can't achieve hence they are bitter. On the other hand we can achieve and are achieving.. Seriously such hatred feels low status to me. If you aren't a loser you shouldn't hate winners or perceived winners.

    They will ultimately use it as a Lebensraum to expand for their own people.
     
    I indeed want Lebensraum. However Lebensraum requires fighting. If we can fix the problem of lack of will to fight SE Asia is a much better expansion target compared to the West. If we can't then it can't be done at all.

    I indeed want Lebensraum. However Lebensraum requires fighting. If we can fix the problem of lack of will to fight SE Asia is a much better expansion target compared to the West. If we can’t then it can’t be done at all.

    I can’t help but cringe when I see this.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    I can’t help but cringe when I see this.
     
    Well I know it sounds weird but I'm stating the truth. Historically the direction of NE Asian racial expansion has generally been from the north towards the south. Yayoi settling in Japan was a rare exception. Just like Germans tended to expand towards east we tend to expand towards south.
  115. @Audacious Epigone
    More importantly, I think a lot of non-whites hate whites because lots of whites not only willingly permit them to do so but encourage and join in on it.

    Yeah, basically this is how it goes:

    Annoying white liberals, who minorities would naturally hate, direct their ire towards working class deplorables.

    It’s a smart strategy – it keeps the heat off their backs while a) demonizing a political and cultural opponent and b) preventing the minorities from effecting any real change. You can attack Cletus from Kentucky all you want but he ain’t got no money to give you when you raise his taxes. Pelosi can keep all hers while the minorities focus on the real bad and racist guys like Cletus.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @216
    A strategy for the Right is to expose and exploit these divisions. But divide and conquer is difficult to pull off when you don't control the media.

    Either Brimelow or Fulford on VDARE wrote something about how the Dems had "tipped" to being a non-white majority party, in addition to being mostly female. In theory this should result in an unstable coalition.

    Biden is running into an early lead in the polling. Time will tell if he is "black enough" by virtue of service under Obama, and a PeeOhCee running mate. Obviously he won't serve more than one term.

    The existential threat to the progressive stack is either white tribalism (unlikely) or non-whites breaking off for some reason. While the latter is not our favored path, I think it has better odds for success. The other scenario is "full cuck", which we should not discount the odds for, its not an accident that Conservatism Inc loves Mayor Pete.
  116. @EastKekistani

    The Asians in America are also influenced by the left and become radically anti-white.
     
    As I said before this is indeed. These people who stand with Negroids need to visit NE Asia because it is actually fairly wealthy now. Since we aren't Negroids why shall we accept Negroid ideologies such as hatred towards whites? They can't achieve hence they are bitter. On the other hand we can achieve and are achieving.. Seriously such hatred feels low status to me. If you aren't a loser you shouldn't hate winners or perceived winners.

    They will ultimately use it as a Lebensraum to expand for their own people.
     
    I indeed want Lebensraum. However Lebensraum requires fighting. If we can fix the problem of lack of will to fight SE Asia is a much better expansion target compared to the West. If we can't then it can't be done at all.

    Why do you need expansion when you’re approaching population decline (and are already there in Japan)?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Why do you need expansion when you’re approaching population decline (and are already there in Japan)?
     
    I think expansion is inherently a need. A healthy people needs to be able to expand and needs to expand. Expansion increases the amount of resources a people has and reduces the possibility of a single centralized dictatorship monopolizing power over the people and reduces the possibility of cultural involution & stagnancy. It doesn't have to be done on this planet but it certainly needs to be done. This is a lesson white people and Middle Eastern people taught me.
  117. @216

    I indeed want Lebensraum. However Lebensraum requires fighting. If we can fix the problem of lack of will to fight SE Asia is a much better expansion target compared to the West. If we can’t then it can’t be done at all.
     
    I can't help but cringe when I see this.

    I can’t help but cringe when I see this.

    Well I know it sounds weird but I’m stating the truth. Historically the direction of NE Asian racial expansion has generally been from the north towards the south. Yayoi settling in Japan was a rare exception. Just like Germans tended to expand towards east we tend to expand towards south.

  118. @Audacious Epigone
    Why do you need expansion when you're approaching population decline (and are already there in Japan)?

    Why do you need expansion when you’re approaching population decline (and are already there in Japan)?

    I think expansion is inherently a need. A healthy people needs to be able to expand and needs to expand. Expansion increases the amount of resources a people has and reduces the possibility of a single centralized dictatorship monopolizing power over the people and reduces the possibility of cultural involution & stagnancy. It doesn’t have to be done on this planet but it certainly needs to be done. This is a lesson white people and Middle Eastern people taught me.

    • Replies: @216
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Jackson_Turner
  119. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yeah, basically this is how it goes:

    Annoying white liberals, who minorities would naturally hate, direct their ire towards working class deplorables.

    It's a smart strategy - it keeps the heat off their backs while a) demonizing a political and cultural opponent and b) preventing the minorities from effecting any real change. You can attack Cletus from Kentucky all you want but he ain't got no money to give you when you raise his taxes. Pelosi can keep all hers while the minorities focus on the real bad and racist guys like Cletus.

    A strategy for the Right is to expose and exploit these divisions. But divide and conquer is difficult to pull off when you don’t control the media.

    Either Brimelow or Fulford on VDARE wrote something about how the Dems had “tipped” to being a non-white majority party, in addition to being mostly female. In theory this should result in an unstable coalition.

    Biden is running into an early lead in the polling. Time will tell if he is “black enough” by virtue of service under Obama, and a PeeOhCee running mate. Obviously he won’t serve more than one term.

    The existential threat to the progressive stack is either white tribalism (unlikely) or non-whites breaking off for some reason. While the latter is not our favored path, I think it has better odds for success. The other scenario is “full cuck”, which we should not discount the odds for, its not an accident that Conservatism Inc loves Mayor Pete.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    An unstable coalition won't collapse as long as there's fuel (conservative white men).

    I was just reading recently about how Hitler's coalition in Germany was quite unstable too - obviously we know that he pulled through in the elections anyways.

    Full cuck was the plan until Trump screwed things up. They are trying to put the worms back in the can but it's too late imo. That's why certain conservatives like Glenn Beck were so anti-Trump - they were promised "respectable conservative" roles in the alternative future where Hillary won, purged the internet, and the GOP went full cuck.

    I say waking up Hispanics is the best bet for peeling people off the coalition. There are plenty of decent and average Hispanics around, especially the lighter-skinned variety. I'm not saying to cuck to them. I'm saying that a ballsy GOP would explicitly target them with messages like "You fled to America to escape this. Now the Dems are inviting it here", something like that. Obviously a significant number already think like this which explains the 30% for Trump (plus the Cuban factor).

    Another group who could vote GOP is Muslims (but not negro Muslims like Somalians), if the Evangelical wing would cool it down on the Zionist and anti-Islam rhetoric. You can be quietly against further Islamic immigration, without being anti-Muslim, imo. "You're already here. Let's not invite the people you fled from", or something like that. Or "You're already here, why not vote against gay marriage, high crime, late term abortions, and transgender children". obviously extremely rough sketches, just outlines of ideas.

    Everything is just so fucked up man. If I could take charge of the right as an authoritarian dictator we would have this shit sorted out in 5 years. Why is everyone so stupid.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Also, another distinct possibility is that the hatred might just burn out over time.

    For me anyways, you see these brown guys who have grown up in Canada, only known brown guys at school, brown teachers, negro media and culture, etc. They are at least mildly anti-white.

    Surprisingly, as they start interacting with average whites at work, they gradually lose their anti-white feelings. They start to assimilate slowly.

    But this will only work as long as there are whites around. Frankly we're straight up running out of white people to go around.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Oh, and finally a solution is to ramp up white immigration from South Africa.

    Give refugee status to the white trash Afrikaners. Finally some immigrants that would actually do well culturally in America. I bet they would actually start improving the rural areas and the locals would sure rather have them than Obama's Section 8 Somalians.

    It would be glorious. hundreds of thousands or millions of high fertility, redpilled, redneck, religious people coming into rural America.

    All of these solutions are very possible, they just require balls and competency. Trump has balls but he's an idiot. GOP has no balls and are also idiots.

    , @LondonBob
    Conservatism Inc is in the closet, they probably partied with Mayor Pete.
    , @Feryl
    "Either Brimelow or Fulford on VDARE wrote something about how the Dems had “tipped” to being a non-white majority party, in addition to being mostly female. In theory this should result in an unstable coalition."

    Another explanation is that the GOP is increasingly the party of aging, religious, and rural whites who ideally are married. Since the GOP's pandering to this demographic surged in the 1990's (when many of the yuppies defected to Clinton), by default they've further alienated other demographics. The "Trumpist base" (composed of ideologically purple and less well-educated whites in their 20's-40's) of political neophytes doesn't have:

    1) Much money (- for both parties)
    2) Much investment in the establishment (- for both parties)
    3) Much racial diversity (- for the Dems)

    The GOP could base it's (probably only successful) strategy for electoral survival on "peeling off" blue collar whites via protectionism, immigration reduction, opposition to privatization, and the like. The GOP's 1990's base of "single issue" rural and suburban white voters (keep taxes low, guns, abortion, etc.) is just not viable another 20-30 years down the road (by which time the last heavily white generation, the Boomers, will have been worn down by mortality). Even the suburbs of post-2020 will be more and more non-white, and non-whites in America are not cultural conservatives in the trad. American sense (e.g., saluting the military, the second amendment, evangelical Christianity or conservative Catholicism). However, pandering to elderly (and wealthy) Reaganite Republicans will be hard to shake, and ultimately the Dems (by not offering retarded privatization schemes and offering fewer excuses for rich and corporate scumbags) will be the dominant party, since the GOP is so......Deplorable at offering policies that benefit the poorer class. Reaganite Republicans only make up about 35-40% of population, much of which is literally dying as we speak; the neo-lib Left is still garnering support from some youngsters (in addition to aging Clintonite Dems), the socialist Left is rapidly growing, and the Trumpist base (likely to remain 20-25% of the population) will either stay home or vote for the less moronic of the two options.

  120. @EastKekistani

    Why do you need expansion when you’re approaching population decline (and are already there in Japan)?
     
    I think expansion is inherently a need. A healthy people needs to be able to expand and needs to expand. Expansion increases the amount of resources a people has and reduces the possibility of a single centralized dictatorship monopolizing power over the people and reduces the possibility of cultural involution & stagnancy. It doesn't have to be done on this planet but it certainly needs to be done. This is a lesson white people and Middle Eastern people taught me.
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Yep.

    Moreover I think tribes that like conquering tend to be unlikely to be internally very oppressive. This is an attractive feature to me.

    Expansion of advanced civilizations is also globally beneficial for such expansion either succeeds in bringing advanced civilizations to more people or causes others to strengthen themselves in order not to be invaded. Either way humanity wins in this race to the top scenario. Take white expansion as an example. In Australia, New Zealand and North America it caused these areas to become homes of advanced civilizations through settler colonialism. In NE Asia on the other hand it caused us to leave stagnancy and became a lot more developed than before through spreading of ideas and reaction. In both cases white expansion caused significant improvement in the long run.

  121. @Audacious Epigone
    Do American and European expats living in China, Japan, Singapore, or South Korea feel like they are being ruled over?

    Yes. I love my Asian overlords.

    I am an Uncle Tom gaijin.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    How many white children do you have?
  122. @White Guy In Japan
    Yes. I love my Asian overlords.

    I am an Uncle Tom gaijin.

    How many white children do you have?

    • Replies: @Truth
    Judging by the phenotype, the same number he has of half-white children; none.
  123. @216
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Jackson_Turner

    Yep.

    Moreover I think tribes that like conquering tend to be unlikely to be internally very oppressive. This is an attractive feature to me.

    Expansion of advanced civilizations is also globally beneficial for such expansion either succeeds in bringing advanced civilizations to more people or causes others to strengthen themselves in order not to be invaded. Either way humanity wins in this race to the top scenario. Take white expansion as an example. In Australia, New Zealand and North America it caused these areas to become homes of advanced civilizations through settler colonialism. In NE Asia on the other hand it caused us to leave stagnancy and became a lot more developed than before through spreading of ideas and reaction. In both cases white expansion caused significant improvement in the long run.

  124. @216
    A strategy for the Right is to expose and exploit these divisions. But divide and conquer is difficult to pull off when you don't control the media.

    Either Brimelow or Fulford on VDARE wrote something about how the Dems had "tipped" to being a non-white majority party, in addition to being mostly female. In theory this should result in an unstable coalition.

    Biden is running into an early lead in the polling. Time will tell if he is "black enough" by virtue of service under Obama, and a PeeOhCee running mate. Obviously he won't serve more than one term.

    The existential threat to the progressive stack is either white tribalism (unlikely) or non-whites breaking off for some reason. While the latter is not our favored path, I think it has better odds for success. The other scenario is "full cuck", which we should not discount the odds for, its not an accident that Conservatism Inc loves Mayor Pete.

    An unstable coalition won’t collapse as long as there’s fuel (conservative white men).

    I was just reading recently about how Hitler’s coalition in Germany was quite unstable too – obviously we know that he pulled through in the elections anyways.

    Full cuck was the plan until Trump screwed things up. They are trying to put the worms back in the can but it’s too late imo. That’s why certain conservatives like Glenn Beck were so anti-Trump – they were promised “respectable conservative” roles in the alternative future where Hillary won, purged the internet, and the GOP went full cuck.

    I say waking up Hispanics is the best bet for peeling people off the coalition. There are plenty of decent and average Hispanics around, especially the lighter-skinned variety. I’m not saying to cuck to them. I’m saying that a ballsy GOP would explicitly target them with messages like “You fled to America to escape this. Now the Dems are inviting it here”, something like that. Obviously a significant number already think like this which explains the 30% for Trump (plus the Cuban factor).

    Another group who could vote GOP is Muslims (but not negro Muslims like Somalians), if the Evangelical wing would cool it down on the Zionist and anti-Islam rhetoric. You can be quietly against further Islamic immigration, without being anti-Muslim, imo. “You’re already here. Let’s not invite the people you fled from”, or something like that. Or “You’re already here, why not vote against gay marriage, high crime, late term abortions, and transgender children”. obviously extremely rough sketches, just outlines of ideas.

    Everything is just so fucked up man. If I could take charge of the right as an authoritarian dictator we would have this shit sorted out in 5 years. Why is everyone so stupid.

    • Replies: @216

    An unstable coalition won’t collapse as long as there’s fuel (conservative white men).
     
    This is why I like the ideas of passivism and non-intervention.

    "stay in your lane" is a classic small-c conservative sentiment.

    When it comes to campus identity politics, and Big Social, our very existence is thought offensive by the other side. In the absence of our presence, they will begin turning on each other. Anything above ground like the Proud Boys is doomed. Time would be better spent joining a DSA chapter, if only to learn their methods.

    Further, for identity-based politicians like AOC, the only way to defeat her is through the Dem primary. Those that don't live in her (and the others') district should ignore her. There are some brown GOP voters in that district, let them figure out how to beat her.

    I say waking up Hispanics is the best bet for peeling people off the coalition. There are plenty of decent and average Hispanics around, especially the lighter-skinned variety.
     
    Married Hispanic Men vs. Single White Women

    Another group who could vote GOP is Muslims
     
    Most US muslims are Arab or Black, with a smattering of others like Somalis. But the Muslims in the US are not that conservative on social matter as the Right might suspect. Being nicer to Muslims might tip the balance in Michigan, as there are Arab Christians and white moderates that cast sympathy votes against GOP Islamophobia.

    If I could take charge of the right as an authoritarian dictator we would have this shit sorted out in 5 years
     
    The fuhrerprinzip is a bad policy, relyiing upon "charasmatic authority" instead of "rational-legal authority" doesn't work in a pacificed society. It's better to focus on community building, starting local, then regional, national in turn. Basically do the opposite of what Steve Bannon is doing right now. Don't larp in an Italian castle, go back to Hampton Roads, VA and recruit candidates.
    , @Feryl
    "Another group who could vote GOP is Muslims"

    Religion is a proxy for ethnicity, often times. E.g., there are very few Catholic blacks in America. Different sects are often created to reflect the culture of a particular tribe, e.g. the bizarre manifestations of Xtianity in the American South and West, which are markedly less popular with Italians, Slavs, Irish-Catholics, and WASPs/Teutons in the Northeast and Midwest.

    As long as the GOP is the implicit white party, than the ethnic groups most distinct from whites (such as blacks and Muslims) are never going to vote for the GOP. Race/ethnicity trumps everything else, and religion like I said is often a proxy for race anyway.
  125. @216
    A strategy for the Right is to expose and exploit these divisions. But divide and conquer is difficult to pull off when you don't control the media.

    Either Brimelow or Fulford on VDARE wrote something about how the Dems had "tipped" to being a non-white majority party, in addition to being mostly female. In theory this should result in an unstable coalition.

    Biden is running into an early lead in the polling. Time will tell if he is "black enough" by virtue of service under Obama, and a PeeOhCee running mate. Obviously he won't serve more than one term.

    The existential threat to the progressive stack is either white tribalism (unlikely) or non-whites breaking off for some reason. While the latter is not our favored path, I think it has better odds for success. The other scenario is "full cuck", which we should not discount the odds for, its not an accident that Conservatism Inc loves Mayor Pete.

    Also, another distinct possibility is that the hatred might just burn out over time.

    For me anyways, you see these brown guys who have grown up in Canada, only known brown guys at school, brown teachers, negro media and culture, etc. They are at least mildly anti-white.

    Surprisingly, as they start interacting with average whites at work, they gradually lose their anti-white feelings. They start to assimilate slowly.

    But this will only work as long as there are whites around. Frankly we’re straight up running out of white people to go around.

  126. @216
    A strategy for the Right is to expose and exploit these divisions. But divide and conquer is difficult to pull off when you don't control the media.

    Either Brimelow or Fulford on VDARE wrote something about how the Dems had "tipped" to being a non-white majority party, in addition to being mostly female. In theory this should result in an unstable coalition.

    Biden is running into an early lead in the polling. Time will tell if he is "black enough" by virtue of service under Obama, and a PeeOhCee running mate. Obviously he won't serve more than one term.

    The existential threat to the progressive stack is either white tribalism (unlikely) or non-whites breaking off for some reason. While the latter is not our favored path, I think it has better odds for success. The other scenario is "full cuck", which we should not discount the odds for, its not an accident that Conservatism Inc loves Mayor Pete.

    Oh, and finally a solution is to ramp up white immigration from South Africa.

    Give refugee status to the white trash Afrikaners. Finally some immigrants that would actually do well culturally in America. I bet they would actually start improving the rural areas and the locals would sure rather have them than Obama’s Section 8 Somalians.

    It would be glorious. hundreds of thousands or millions of high fertility, redpilled, redneck, religious people coming into rural America.

    All of these solutions are very possible, they just require balls and competency. Trump has balls but he’s an idiot. GOP has no balls and are also idiots.

    • Replies: @216

    Oh, and finally a solution is to ramp up white immigration from South Africa.
     
    Most SA whites are to the left of US whites. They are to the right of AUS or NZ whites. All 4 mln would not be expected to come to the US, or a successor Redstan.

    Rural flight in the US is an economically rational decision, dumping Boers there is not going to change the fundamental geopolitics that reward migration to cities.

    Demographic reset cannot be achieved by mythical white immigration. No Euro country has a TFR above replacement, unless you count Israel.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Schoolmarm disapproves of "white trash".

    ---

    Offering asylum to white South Africans would drive the left in the US insane.
  127. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    An unstable coalition won't collapse as long as there's fuel (conservative white men).

    I was just reading recently about how Hitler's coalition in Germany was quite unstable too - obviously we know that he pulled through in the elections anyways.

    Full cuck was the plan until Trump screwed things up. They are trying to put the worms back in the can but it's too late imo. That's why certain conservatives like Glenn Beck were so anti-Trump - they were promised "respectable conservative" roles in the alternative future where Hillary won, purged the internet, and the GOP went full cuck.

    I say waking up Hispanics is the best bet for peeling people off the coalition. There are plenty of decent and average Hispanics around, especially the lighter-skinned variety. I'm not saying to cuck to them. I'm saying that a ballsy GOP would explicitly target them with messages like "You fled to America to escape this. Now the Dems are inviting it here", something like that. Obviously a significant number already think like this which explains the 30% for Trump (plus the Cuban factor).

    Another group who could vote GOP is Muslims (but not negro Muslims like Somalians), if the Evangelical wing would cool it down on the Zionist and anti-Islam rhetoric. You can be quietly against further Islamic immigration, without being anti-Muslim, imo. "You're already here. Let's not invite the people you fled from", or something like that. Or "You're already here, why not vote against gay marriage, high crime, late term abortions, and transgender children". obviously extremely rough sketches, just outlines of ideas.

    Everything is just so fucked up man. If I could take charge of the right as an authoritarian dictator we would have this shit sorted out in 5 years. Why is everyone so stupid.

    An unstable coalition won’t collapse as long as there’s fuel (conservative white men).

    This is why I like the ideas of passivism and non-intervention.

    “stay in your lane” is a classic small-c conservative sentiment.

    When it comes to campus identity politics, and Big Social, our very existence is thought offensive by the other side. In the absence of our presence, they will begin turning on each other. Anything above ground like the Proud Boys is doomed. Time would be better spent joining a DSA chapter, if only to learn their methods.

    Further, for identity-based politicians like AOC, the only way to defeat her is through the Dem primary. Those that don’t live in her (and the others’) district should ignore her. There are some brown GOP voters in that district, let them figure out how to beat her.

    I say waking up Hispanics is the best bet for peeling people off the coalition. There are plenty of decent and average Hispanics around, especially the lighter-skinned variety.

    Married Hispanic Men vs. Single White Women

    Another group who could vote GOP is Muslims

    Most US muslims are Arab or Black, with a smattering of others like Somalis. But the Muslims in the US are not that conservative on social matter as the Right might suspect. Being nicer to Muslims might tip the balance in Michigan, as there are Arab Christians and white moderates that cast sympathy votes against GOP Islamophobia.

    If I could take charge of the right as an authoritarian dictator we would have this shit sorted out in 5 years

    The fuhrerprinzip is a bad policy, relyiing upon “charasmatic authority” instead of “rational-legal authority” doesn’t work in a pacificed society. It’s better to focus on community building, starting local, then regional, national in turn. Basically do the opposite of what Steve Bannon is doing right now. Don’t larp in an Italian castle, go back to Hampton Roads, VA and recruit candidates.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    But the Muslims in the US are not that conservative on social matter as the Right might suspect.
     
    Well something must have happened because last time I checked Islam isn't too friendly towards gays, criminals, etc. The Ziovangelical GOP is relatively gentle, but seems like the closest thing in that direction.

    Arab Christians
     
    They seem to get severely pozzed. I was talking to one who was telling me how Canada is great because there's so much diversity and Muslims and Christians get along amazing, whereas back home the Muslims were chopping their heads off. I asked if they thought maybe the Muslims in Canada still feel the same way, but they're just holding it in, and this was met with a determined head shake and telling me that "Muslims are different here".

    They are Catholic though, so what can you expect.

    Evangelicals are the best type of Christians, I just wish the American ones would tone it down on Israel a bit...

    Basically do the opposite of what Steve Bannon is doing right now.
     
    The irony of an uncultured American swine going to Europe to tell the Nationalist parties how to act. I would tell him to shut the hell up and consult with me under the table. Not putting into question his strategic intelligence. But his ego is enormous. Bannon's type of gruff "man of the people" isn't well received in the European culture.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Married Hispanic men 32% R, 48% D

    Single white women 27% R, 45% D

    Married whites are all the GOP has.
  128. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Oh, and finally a solution is to ramp up white immigration from South Africa.

    Give refugee status to the white trash Afrikaners. Finally some immigrants that would actually do well culturally in America. I bet they would actually start improving the rural areas and the locals would sure rather have them than Obama's Section 8 Somalians.

    It would be glorious. hundreds of thousands or millions of high fertility, redpilled, redneck, religious people coming into rural America.

    All of these solutions are very possible, they just require balls and competency. Trump has balls but he's an idiot. GOP has no balls and are also idiots.

    Oh, and finally a solution is to ramp up white immigration from South Africa.

    Most SA whites are to the left of US whites. They are to the right of AUS or NZ whites. All 4 mln would not be expected to come to the US, or a successor Redstan.

    Rural flight in the US is an economically rational decision, dumping Boers there is not going to change the fundamental geopolitics that reward migration to cities.

    Demographic reset cannot be achieved by mythical white immigration. No Euro country has a TFR above replacement, unless you count Israel.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    No, but 2 million more (relatively high TFR) whites is still good. More bodies, more babies.

    dumping Boers there is not going to change the fundamental geopolitics that reward migration to cities.
     
    They might not care, look at the Amish.

    We don't need demographic reset, we need all the help we can get and I think the Boers would be an excellent addition to America.
  129. @216

    An unstable coalition won’t collapse as long as there’s fuel (conservative white men).
     
    This is why I like the ideas of passivism and non-intervention.

    "stay in your lane" is a classic small-c conservative sentiment.

    When it comes to campus identity politics, and Big Social, our very existence is thought offensive by the other side. In the absence of our presence, they will begin turning on each other. Anything above ground like the Proud Boys is doomed. Time would be better spent joining a DSA chapter, if only to learn their methods.

    Further, for identity-based politicians like AOC, the only way to defeat her is through the Dem primary. Those that don't live in her (and the others') district should ignore her. There are some brown GOP voters in that district, let them figure out how to beat her.

    I say waking up Hispanics is the best bet for peeling people off the coalition. There are plenty of decent and average Hispanics around, especially the lighter-skinned variety.
     
    Married Hispanic Men vs. Single White Women

    Another group who could vote GOP is Muslims
     
    Most US muslims are Arab or Black, with a smattering of others like Somalis. But the Muslims in the US are not that conservative on social matter as the Right might suspect. Being nicer to Muslims might tip the balance in Michigan, as there are Arab Christians and white moderates that cast sympathy votes against GOP Islamophobia.

    If I could take charge of the right as an authoritarian dictator we would have this shit sorted out in 5 years
     
    The fuhrerprinzip is a bad policy, relyiing upon "charasmatic authority" instead of "rational-legal authority" doesn't work in a pacificed society. It's better to focus on community building, starting local, then regional, national in turn. Basically do the opposite of what Steve Bannon is doing right now. Don't larp in an Italian castle, go back to Hampton Roads, VA and recruit candidates.

    But the Muslims in the US are not that conservative on social matter as the Right might suspect.

    Well something must have happened because last time I checked Islam isn’t too friendly towards gays, criminals, etc. The Ziovangelical GOP is relatively gentle, but seems like the closest thing in that direction.

    Arab Christians

    They seem to get severely pozzed. I was talking to one who was telling me how Canada is great because there’s so much diversity and Muslims and Christians get along amazing, whereas back home the Muslims were chopping their heads off. I asked if they thought maybe the Muslims in Canada still feel the same way, but they’re just holding it in, and this was met with a determined head shake and telling me that “Muslims are different here”.

    They are Catholic though, so what can you expect.

    Evangelicals are the best type of Christians, I just wish the American ones would tone it down on Israel a bit…

    Basically do the opposite of what Steve Bannon is doing right now.

    The irony of an uncultured American swine going to Europe to tell the Nationalist parties how to act. I would tell him to shut the hell up and consult with me under the table. Not putting into question his strategic intelligence. But his ego is enormous. Bannon’s type of gruff “man of the people” isn’t well received in the European culture.

    • Replies: @216

    Well something must have happened because last time I checked Islam isn’t too friendly towards gays, criminals, etc. The Ziovangelical GOP is relatively gentle, but seems like the closest thing in that direction.
     
    https://www.pewforum.org/essay/muslims-in-america-immigrants-and-those-born-in-u-s-see-life-differently-in-many-ways/
  130. @216

    Oh, and finally a solution is to ramp up white immigration from South Africa.
     
    Most SA whites are to the left of US whites. They are to the right of AUS or NZ whites. All 4 mln would not be expected to come to the US, or a successor Redstan.

    Rural flight in the US is an economically rational decision, dumping Boers there is not going to change the fundamental geopolitics that reward migration to cities.

    Demographic reset cannot be achieved by mythical white immigration. No Euro country has a TFR above replacement, unless you count Israel.

    No, but 2 million more (relatively high TFR) whites is still good. More bodies, more babies.

    dumping Boers there is not going to change the fundamental geopolitics that reward migration to cities.

    They might not care, look at the Amish.

    We don’t need demographic reset, we need all the help we can get and I think the Boers would be an excellent addition to America.

    • Replies: @216
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Africa#Racial_composition_of_each_age_group_in_2015_(estimates)

    South Africa at large has one of the lowest fertility rates on the African continent. I doubt white fertility is any higher than it is in the more prosperous US.

    They might not care, look at the Amish.
     
    There's a significant divergence between Anabaptists and Calvinists.

    We don’t need demographic reset, we need all the help we can get and I think the Boers would be an excellent addition to America.
     
    A GOP able to push through a "whites-only" immigration law, could probably just threaten a war with RSA to get the Boers their own country.

    Political realities would likely force any white refugee program to grant the same status to Indians and Colureds.

    Present-day Boers are nowhere near as sympathetic to the US pubic as 1970s refuseniks.
  131. @res
    Your comment would be much more relevant if I had watched any TV like that in the last decade.

    I was thinking more in terms of Hispanics replacing blacks in places like:
    East Palo Alto: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/TOWN-S-ETHNIC-MAKEUP-SHIFTS-Historically-Black-2982533.php
    Los Angeles: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-gang-firebombing-20180405-story.html

    That last link was pretty nasty. Interesting I had not heard about that incident until I went looking just now. Imagine the headlines if whites had done that!

    “If it bleeds it leads”

    Even, i might add, if it is of no significance.

  132. @EastKekistani
    You ignored an important variable, namely commies.

    Every nation gets the government it deserves.
    -Joseph De Maistre

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Every nation gets the government it deserves.
    -Joseph De Maistre
     
    He isn't wrong. Tyranny is both a consequence and a cause of fellah populations that can not stand up to it. This isn't unchangeable though.
    , @Thomm
    Truth my man!

    Check out this extremely important comment in a prior thread, that you may have missed.

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/jim-goads-new-book-a-banquet-of-anti-anti-whiteness/#comment-3179844

    I got called a Jew, a black, a white boomer, and an Indian in the same thread!

    Of course, I am none of the above, but when one points out certain truths to these Trashionalists, hilarious forms of denial spiral all over the place.

    The fallout of this is truly a sight to behold.
  133. @Anon

    Puerto Ricans are roughly as black as Mexicans
     
    How so? PR's have significant black genetic heritage. Mexicans do not.

    I find that plays out in their personalities.

    Mexican heritage is largely dictated by region. PR is a small island

  134. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    No, but 2 million more (relatively high TFR) whites is still good. More bodies, more babies.

    dumping Boers there is not going to change the fundamental geopolitics that reward migration to cities.
     
    They might not care, look at the Amish.

    We don't need demographic reset, we need all the help we can get and I think the Boers would be an excellent addition to America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Africa#Racial_composition_of_each_age_group_in_2015_(estimates)

    South Africa at large has one of the lowest fertility rates on the African continent. I doubt white fertility is any higher than it is in the more prosperous US.

    They might not care, look at the Amish.

    There’s a significant divergence between Anabaptists and Calvinists.

    We don’t need demographic reset, we need all the help we can get and I think the Boers would be an excellent addition to America.

    A GOP able to push through a “whites-only” immigration law, could probably just threaten a war with RSA to get the Boers their own country.

    Political realities would likely force any white refugee program to grant the same status to Indians and Colureds.

    Present-day Boers are nowhere near as sympathetic to the US pubic as 1970s refuseniks.

  135. @EastKekistani
    How are Negroid women actually feminine? They look like men to me. Short hair, masculine face, violent behavior, awful smell...All of these traits match "males".

    The most feminine women on this planet are in NE Asia.

    In that case, Old Sport, marry one and stop being an incel

  136. @EastKekistani

    Wrong again, King Friday.
     
    Wrong? Your link actually proves my point!

    Crime levels:
    Mexico 57.18
    Puerto Rico 81.9

    Puerto Rico has more murders per million people compared to Mexico too even though Mexico is in a drug war..

    You wrote “really behave well.” Mexicans are ahead of PR’s in some crime matrices, behins in others

  137. @Truth
    Every nation gets the government it deserves.
    -Joseph De Maistre

    Every nation gets the government it deserves.
    -Joseph De Maistre

    He isn’t wrong. Tyranny is both a consequence and a cause of fellah populations that can not stand up to it. This isn’t unchangeable though.

  138. The Singapore references reminded me of an old joke. An Indian, an American, and a Singaporean are asked, “What is your opinion of the nutritional value of beef?” The Indian replies, What is beef? The American replies, What is nutritional value? The Singaporean replies, What is an opinion?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Singapore isn't North Korea lol. It is at least much freer than commie-occupied China. When I was there there was at least Youtube.
  139. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    But the Muslims in the US are not that conservative on social matter as the Right might suspect.
     
    Well something must have happened because last time I checked Islam isn't too friendly towards gays, criminals, etc. The Ziovangelical GOP is relatively gentle, but seems like the closest thing in that direction.

    Arab Christians
     
    They seem to get severely pozzed. I was talking to one who was telling me how Canada is great because there's so much diversity and Muslims and Christians get along amazing, whereas back home the Muslims were chopping their heads off. I asked if they thought maybe the Muslims in Canada still feel the same way, but they're just holding it in, and this was met with a determined head shake and telling me that "Muslims are different here".

    They are Catholic though, so what can you expect.

    Evangelicals are the best type of Christians, I just wish the American ones would tone it down on Israel a bit...

    Basically do the opposite of what Steve Bannon is doing right now.
     
    The irony of an uncultured American swine going to Europe to tell the Nationalist parties how to act. I would tell him to shut the hell up and consult with me under the table. Not putting into question his strategic intelligence. But his ego is enormous. Bannon's type of gruff "man of the people" isn't well received in the European culture.

    Well something must have happened because last time I checked Islam isn’t too friendly towards gays, criminals, etc. The Ziovangelical GOP is relatively gentle, but seems like the closest thing in that direction.

    https://www.pewforum.org/essay/muslims-in-america-immigrants-and-those-born-in-u-s-see-life-differently-in-many-ways/

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    -more US born Muslims wear the cloth on their head than immigrant Muslims
    -foreign born Muslims make wayyy more money than US born Muslims
    -foreign born Muslims are much more likely to have a college degree than US born Muslims
    -US born Muslims are way more likely than immigrant Muslims to experience "discrimination" and love to whine about how hard it is to be a Muslim
    -Less likely to be a Republican than blacks

    Hmm, guess the "natural conservative" angle is still a meme, as long as they can be weaponized to fight against the white goyim.
  140. Thomm says:
    @Truth
    Every nation gets the government it deserves.
    -Joseph De Maistre

    Truth my man!

    Check out this extremely important comment in a prior thread, that you may have missed.

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/jim-goads-new-book-a-banquet-of-anti-anti-whiteness/#comment-3179844

    I got called a Jew, a black, a white boomer, and an Indian in the same thread!

    Of course, I am none of the above, but when one points out certain truths to these Trashionalists, hilarious forms of denial spiral all over the place.

    The fallout of this is truly a sight to behold.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Thomm, these gents do not recognize genius when they see it, but keep it up, as they say, repetition is the mother of skill.
  141. @216

    Well something must have happened because last time I checked Islam isn’t too friendly towards gays, criminals, etc. The Ziovangelical GOP is relatively gentle, but seems like the closest thing in that direction.
     
    https://www.pewforum.org/essay/muslims-in-america-immigrants-and-those-born-in-u-s-see-life-differently-in-many-ways/

    -more US born Muslims wear the cloth on their head than immigrant Muslims
    -foreign born Muslims make wayyy more money than US born Muslims
    -foreign born Muslims are much more likely to have a college degree than US born Muslims
    -US born Muslims are way more likely than immigrant Muslims to experience “discrimination” and love to whine about how hard it is to be a Muslim
    -Less likely to be a Republican than blacks

    Hmm, guess the “natural conservative” angle is still a meme, as long as they can be weaponized to fight against the white goyim.

  142. @EastKekistani
    Speaking of conscription Taiwan had conscription due to the commie menace. Singapore has conscription due to the SEA menace.

    Singapore is indeed a country that roughly fits my values well. I may move there at some point. It is rich, urban, safe and has almost no blacks. Moreover it is a NE Asian settler colony in SEA.

    No better time than the present, DMB. I get the feeling that you could get quite a few people who know you to chip in on a one-way ticket.

  143. @Audacious Epigone
    Steve Sailer has pointed out that subsequent Hispanic generations do tend to assimilate to American norms--black American norms.

    Steve earned his PhD in Sociology, where?

    • Replies: @216
    Sociology is a garbage discipline, with nil representation of the right-wing.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The University of Empiricism, School of Noticing, IIRC.
  144. @EastKekistani
    Black cultures are not matriarchal because matriarchies don't actually exist not because women suck or are inferior (nope lol) but because they are too peaceful to dominate a society. Instead they are usually matrilineal/matrilocal.

    To see that we can look at the African market place. Women are often the vast majority of merchants. We can also look at the fields. Women farm while men often don't. Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.

    I don't think black men "compensate for" their immaturity and lack of intelligence with machismo. On the other hand I think masculinity and machismo are simply roughly equivalent in a black context. Blacks may actually pattern match "labor" to "feminine". I'm not sure..

    A more moderate version of the same system exists in SE Asia. That's literally how the Philippines and Indonesia function. Even Vietnam works like that to some extant.

    Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.

    Oh, were you alive before the European and Middle Eastern influence on Africa, or has your reading ability in Early Kushite allowed you to peruse selections from the Nubian libraries?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Early Nubians weren't Negroid lmao.
  145. @EastKekistani
    Because he doesn't understand me well and just pattern match me to a false flag Indian poster. It's fairly funny that he pattern matches me as Gujarati. He has at least picked a fairly close Indian variant of my actual background. Wu-speakers tend to be merchants. So do Gujaratis.

    Ideologies often correlate with personality. My personality definitely does not correlate with nationalism which also applies in China. I'm not an aggressive macho dude. Instead I'm a calm and calculating thinker. My lack of aggression towards Europeans, Indians and Arabs is clearly not interpreted accurately by him.

    “It’s fairly funny that he pattern matches me as Gujarati.”

    I said EastKekistani is an Indian. I never said he is a Gujarati. May be he is, may be he is not. Where did he get that from?

    The reason I said EastKekistani is an Indian is that he has said many things that strongly indicate he is an Indian. He said he is Chinese but there are things he said that strongly indicate he is not Chinese.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Ahaha I tend to agree
    , @EastKekistani
    Lmao. There used to be people who believe that I may be Jewish. There used to be people who believe that I may be Middle Eastern.. Of course there are a lot of people who believed that I'm a white far-rightist.

    Sigh..

    Well, guess what? I'm unusual. Your pattern matching failed.

    , @EastKekistani
    I thought you actually mentioned Gujarat in the IQ thread?!

    Oh I see why you said that. I mentioned an anti-Negroid talk point I usually use to convince Indians to be against Negroids, namely Idi Amin's persecution of Gujaratis in Uganda. That's not my only talk point in my Indian outreach. I also tend to mention the racial conflict between Indians and Negroids in Trinidad and Tobago as well as Suriname.

    When I talk to Arabs and Muslims in general I have other talk points such as the Zanzibari massacre of Arabs and the deadly Zanj Rebellion in medieval Iraq.
  146. @Audacious Epigone
    More importantly, I think a lot of non-whites hate whites because lots of whites not only willingly permit them to do so but encourage and join in on it.

    “Wi dindu nuffin.”

  147. @EastKekistani
    Because he doesn't understand me well and just pattern match me to a false flag Indian poster. It's fairly funny that he pattern matches me as Gujarati. He has at least picked a fairly close Indian variant of my actual background. Wu-speakers tend to be merchants. So do Gujaratis.

    Ideologies often correlate with personality. My personality definitely does not correlate with nationalism which also applies in China. I'm not an aggressive macho dude. Instead I'm a calm and calculating thinker. My lack of aggression towards Europeans, Indians and Arabs is clearly not interpreted accurately by him.

    …Or maybe he’s right; and you’re lying. Who knows?

  148. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    How many white children do you have?

    Judging by the phenotype, the same number he has of half-white children; none.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    AKA: Loser
  149. @DB Cooper
    "It’s fairly funny that he pattern matches me as Gujarati."

    I said EastKekistani is an Indian. I never said he is a Gujarati. May be he is, may be he is not. Where did he get that from?


    The reason I said EastKekistani is an Indian is that he has said many things that strongly indicate he is an Indian. He said he is Chinese but there are things he said that strongly indicate he is not Chinese.

    Ahaha I tend to agree

  150. @Truth
    Judging by the phenotype, the same number he has of half-white children; none.

    AKA: Loser

  151. @EastKekistani

    The Asians in America are also influenced by the left and become radically anti-white.
     
    As I said before this is indeed. These people who stand with Negroids need to visit NE Asia because it is actually fairly wealthy now. Since we aren't Negroids why shall we accept Negroid ideologies such as hatred towards whites? They can't achieve hence they are bitter. On the other hand we can achieve and are achieving.. Seriously such hatred feels low status to me. If you aren't a loser you shouldn't hate winners or perceived winners.

    They will ultimately use it as a Lebensraum to expand for their own people.
     
    I indeed want Lebensraum. However Lebensraum requires fighting. If we can fix the problem of lack of will to fight SE Asia is a much better expansion target compared to the West. If we can't then it can't be done at all.

    I indeed want Lebensraum.

    Hey, Russia has plenty of it, and you share a border with them. Lock and load, Old Sport!*

    *(I mean your fingers on the keyboard, of course. I don’t expect you to actually, like, do anything, that carries risk.)

  152. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    I suspect that this poll has somehow exaggerated Hispanic animosity towards Whites (which has never struck me as overly intense). I suspect what's going on here is that a lot of people whom most Whites would perceive as Hispanic, may identify as Whites. And unsurprisingly, they are OK with White people, but since they told the pollsters they were White, their relatively harmonious viewpoint didn't get tallied under the Hispanic column. I have no evidence for this, of course, but it comports with my experience of having spent 39 years in California (1972-2011).

    Things have changed since 2011. A significant increase in Hispanic animosity during this decade. (My experience having spent the years 1974-2019 in California.)

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Tension between regions, social classes, races, etc. have all grown a lot over the last 10 years, although this is just an intensification of trends that date back to the GHW Bush era (when many Americans started to actively attempt to sell each other out and/or stir up political/racial trouble, often quite brazenly). Certainly anyone who remembers the LA Riots (1992) would admonish anyone who tried to claim that the 1990's were gentle and peaceful. We also had NAFTA (1993), Waco (1993), the Oklahoma City Bombing (1995), among other events that portended a future civ. clash.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Things have changed since 2011. A significant increase in Hispanic animosity during this decade. (My experience having spent the years 1974-2019 in California.)
     
    I wouldn't rule that out. I've been watching California from afar these last eight years, and it does look like things have gotten a lot worse of many levels, and at a strangely rapid pace. I haven't seen any headlines decrying increased animosity directed at Whites, among California's Hispanic population...but that's not the sort of thing the normie press would report on, is it?
  153. @DB Cooper
    "It’s fairly funny that he pattern matches me as Gujarati."

    I said EastKekistani is an Indian. I never said he is a Gujarati. May be he is, may be he is not. Where did he get that from?


    The reason I said EastKekistani is an Indian is that he has said many things that strongly indicate he is an Indian. He said he is Chinese but there are things he said that strongly indicate he is not Chinese.

    Lmao. There used to be people who believe that I may be Jewish. There used to be people who believe that I may be Middle Eastern.. Of course there are a lot of people who believed that I’m a white far-rightist.

    Sigh..

    Well, guess what? I’m unusual. Your pattern matching failed.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    I didn't pattern match. I can smell it. You probably didn't know but ammonia is oozing from your writings.
    , @Anon

    Jew .. Middle Eastern … Indian … white
     
    You're a Sassoon, aren't you?
  154. @Thomm
    Truth my man!

    Check out this extremely important comment in a prior thread, that you may have missed.

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/jim-goads-new-book-a-banquet-of-anti-anti-whiteness/#comment-3179844

    I got called a Jew, a black, a white boomer, and an Indian in the same thread!

    Of course, I am none of the above, but when one points out certain truths to these Trashionalists, hilarious forms of denial spiral all over the place.

    The fallout of this is truly a sight to behold.

    Thomm, these gents do not recognize genius when they see it, but keep it up, as they say, repetition is the mother of skill.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    Remember, for a 70-IQ WN wigger, even an IQ of 90 is a genius-level IQ in relative terms.

    Someone of 120+ who makes fun of them so effectively just drives them into a technicolor blaze of crazy.

  155. @SafeNow
    The Singapore references reminded me of an old joke. An Indian, an American, and a Singaporean are asked, “What is your opinion of the nutritional value of beef?” The Indian replies, What is beef? The American replies, What is nutritional value? The Singaporean replies, What is an opinion?

    Singapore isn’t North Korea lol. It is at least much freer than commie-occupied China. When I was there there was at least Youtube.

  156. @Truth

    Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.
     
    Oh, were you alive before the European and Middle Eastern influence on Africa, or has your reading ability in Early Kushite allowed you to peruse selections from the Nubian libraries?

    Early Nubians weren’t Negroid lmao.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Oh, then i guess you were there...
  157. @EastKekistani
    Lmao. There used to be people who believe that I may be Jewish. There used to be people who believe that I may be Middle Eastern.. Of course there are a lot of people who believed that I'm a white far-rightist.

    Sigh..

    Well, guess what? I'm unusual. Your pattern matching failed.

    I didn’t pattern match. I can smell it. You probably didn’t know but ammonia is oozing from your writings.

  158. @DB Cooper
    "It’s fairly funny that he pattern matches me as Gujarati."

    I said EastKekistani is an Indian. I never said he is a Gujarati. May be he is, may be he is not. Where did he get that from?


    The reason I said EastKekistani is an Indian is that he has said many things that strongly indicate he is an Indian. He said he is Chinese but there are things he said that strongly indicate he is not Chinese.

    I thought you actually mentioned Gujarat in the IQ thread?!

    Oh I see why you said that. I mentioned an anti-Negroid talk point I usually use to convince Indians to be against Negroids, namely Idi Amin’s persecution of Gujaratis in Uganda. That’s not my only talk point in my Indian outreach. I also tend to mention the racial conflict between Indians and Negroids in Trinidad and Tobago as well as Suriname.

    When I talk to Arabs and Muslims in general I have other talk points such as the Zanzibari massacre of Arabs and the deadly Zanj Rebellion in medieval Iraq.

  159. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Correct, asians in our countries are the serious problem that the entire political spectrum ignores.

    Blacks can very easily be kept in check by a white population with the will to do so. Hispanics can easily be kept out by a white population that wants to.

    Asians have brains, plus the will and desire to rule over whites, as well as blacks and Hispanics. East asians have the IQ, the brown asians have the numbers and the extreme nepotism (though I question brown competency long term).

    Asians are nice until their numbers are too big, at which point you realize they occupy 70% of the city in an ethnic enclave.

    Whitey beware....

    What you say about East Asians doesn’t look accurate for the U.S. as a whole. With Japanese we have a pretty good model of what happens with Northeast Asians. They come over, assimilate, mix heavily with Whites(in the case of Japanese there aren’t many full blooded Japanese left), and are both financially successful and politically weak. Meanwhile the source country develops, because Northeast Asians are smart, and the influx of immigrants slows down or stops. Now if we really tried hard we could find a way to let Chinese rule the country, but it would take effort. Right now I don’t see much effort in that direction. Affirmative action for example works against East Asians. Asians aren’t politically powerful.

    For Southeast Asians, what I say about Northeast Asians is likely to apply to the Vietnamese as well. What’s the next group? Filipinos? They rather like White people, and are highly unlikely to rule over them anywhere.

    South Asians long term are likely to be a more serious threat.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrants-countries-birth-over-time

    The amount of South Korea-born and Japan-born population in America is no longer increasing.

    It is easy to reduce the amount of Chinese people in the West: Please help us against commies. A free China can easily become at least richer than Romance-speaking white countries except for France in terms of GDP PPP per capita. In this case why shall people immigrate to the West? Do people ditch modern Italy or Spain en masse?

    Anyway there will be pain. However unless we get exterminated in WWIII we will eventually get a free China. We will get there.

    , @Twinkie

    With Japanese we have a pretty good model of what happens with Northeast Asians. They come over, assimilate, mix heavily with Whites(in the case of Japanese there aren’t many full blooded Japanese left), and are both financially successful and politically weak. Meanwhile the source country develops, because Northeast Asians are smart, and the influx of immigrants slows down or stops.
     
    Indeed. That is what happened with Japanese immigrants and that is what is happening now with Korean immigrants. I believe the last Census report showed that - for the first time - those identifying as ethnically Korean declined in absolute number, likely from both reverse-migration and assimilation (the last time I looked at a survey that elliptically approached the question of identity, a large fraction of those with Asian ancestry identified as non-Asian - likely white, given the high incidences of mixed white ancestry).

    Now if we really tried hard we could find a way to let Chinese rule the country, but it would take effort. Right now I don’t see much effort in that direction. Affirmative action for example works against East Asians. Asians aren’t politically powerful.
     
    East Asians in America are averse to politics and ideology and tend to be "issue-voters." As with white voters, religious ID is also significantly salient (a large majority of Asian evangelicals, for example, vote Republican even now). They persistently have the lowest party identification among all the major ethno-racial groups (that said, among those who do have party ID attachments, they have swung decisively from heavily Republican to heavily Democrat over the past 30 or so years).

    However, I should caution you that Chinese and certainly Indian immigrants may have different assimilation trajectories compared to Japanese and Koreans. To wit:

    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    Chinese and Indian immigrants - despite economic and educational profiles that are very different from Hispanic immigrants (except Cubans) - have persistently showed assimilation levels that cluster with Hispanics rather than with other Asians.

    Indians, in particular, have shown a markedly low level of intermarriage (with whites), a considerably alien religious culture, anti-egalitarian ethos, and much higher propensity for engaging in politics and other visibly public roles, quite unlike Northeast Asians. Given those factors, I think they are far more likely to be the "new (Asian) Jews" in America than the latter (a while back, I described, only half in jest, the Japanese as Asian Englishmen, the Koreans as Asian (Ulster) Irish, and the Filipinos as Asian Italians).
  160. @EastKekistani
    Early Nubians weren't Negroid lmao.

    Oh, then i guess you were there…

  161. @Truth
    Thomm, these gents do not recognize genius when they see it, but keep it up, as they say, repetition is the mother of skill.

    Remember, for a 70-IQ WN wigger, even an IQ of 90 is a genius-level IQ in relative terms.

    Someone of 120+ who makes fun of them so effectively just drives them into a technicolor blaze of crazy.

  162. @EldnahYm
    What you say about East Asians doesn't look accurate for the U.S. as a whole. With Japanese we have a pretty good model of what happens with Northeast Asians. They come over, assimilate, mix heavily with Whites(in the case of Japanese there aren't many full blooded Japanese left), and are both financially successful and politically weak. Meanwhile the source country develops, because Northeast Asians are smart, and the influx of immigrants slows down or stops. Now if we really tried hard we could find a way to let Chinese rule the country, but it would take effort. Right now I don't see much effort in that direction. Affirmative action for example works against East Asians. Asians aren't politically powerful.

    For Southeast Asians, what I say about Northeast Asians is likely to apply to the Vietnamese as well. What's the next group? Filipinos? They rather like White people, and are highly unlikely to rule over them anywhere.

    South Asians long term are likely to be a more serious threat.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrants-countries-birth-over-time

    The amount of South Korea-born and Japan-born population in America is no longer increasing.

    It is easy to reduce the amount of Chinese people in the West: Please help us against commies. A free China can easily become at least richer than Romance-speaking white countries except for France in terms of GDP PPP per capita. In this case why shall people immigrate to the West? Do people ditch modern Italy or Spain en masse?

    Anyway there will be pain. However unless we get exterminated in WWIII we will eventually get a free China. We will get there.

  163. @Rosie

    Lumping in Orientals with subcons makes little sense, subcons have more in common with MENA than Asia Pacific.
     
    Why? Both groups drive up the cost of housing and compete with White youth for middle-class jobs.

    They all do on that basis.

  164. @216
    A strategy for the Right is to expose and exploit these divisions. But divide and conquer is difficult to pull off when you don't control the media.

    Either Brimelow or Fulford on VDARE wrote something about how the Dems had "tipped" to being a non-white majority party, in addition to being mostly female. In theory this should result in an unstable coalition.

    Biden is running into an early lead in the polling. Time will tell if he is "black enough" by virtue of service under Obama, and a PeeOhCee running mate. Obviously he won't serve more than one term.

    The existential threat to the progressive stack is either white tribalism (unlikely) or non-whites breaking off for some reason. While the latter is not our favored path, I think it has better odds for success. The other scenario is "full cuck", which we should not discount the odds for, its not an accident that Conservatism Inc loves Mayor Pete.

    Conservatism Inc is in the closet, they probably partied with Mayor Pete.

  165. Look atpeople marching (not all Hispanics) are invaders, who clearly hate the US and dream about the moment it collapses. Same goes for many Puerto Ricans with their Puerto Rican pride, marches that despise and promote hate awards US.

    • Replies: @Anon
    When we let PR vote on independence they always vote it down. If anything we're less enthusiastic to have them than they are to leave.
  166. @Audacious Epigone
    Jews (non-Orthodox, that is) are intermarrying and have TFRs below replacement. As a consequence, "Jews" as a whole in America are in the process of descending towards the gentile white mean on a host of attributes and life outcomes. There are probably some sour grapes here--Jews are feeling the Asian squeeze, too.

    Jews (non-Orthodox, that is) are intermarrying and have TFRs below replacement.“Jews” as a whole in America are in the process of descending towards the gentile white mean

    The “name dem Jews” brigade is gonna have to get a lot smarter to stay at the top of its game. (Hey! Predator-prey evolution.)

  167. @EastKekistani

    – East Asians feel inferior to whites because they have a higher IQ, a long and generally successful history, and believe they are the true superior race, yet have not achieved the same.
     
    Well, we will. :-) We need to fix conformism and lack of innovation (and in fact having too little aggressiveness). That's it. These can be fixed anyway. Everything else generally has already been fixed.

    Arabs (and some other Muslims) are the closest people to whites imo.
     
    I agree with you. If I need to find a people similar to you guys in traits I will pick Middle Easterners.

    Most people hate whites because we remind them how inferior they are, or have been in the past.
     
    I think hatred towards whites is stupid.

    (and in fact having too little aggressiveness).

    Yeah, those Japanese in WWII and the Chinese and Koreans in the “Conflict” were baby milquetoasts. Not to mention their cousins Charlie.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Well that required statism and a non-traditional worldview to work. NE Asian folks who have gotten over the Confucian non-expansion memes are indeed effective colonists. However sadly we started way too late. Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Mongols etc all naturally expanded. Even Bantus expanded. Agricultural NE Asian peoples are probably the only major group on this planet who traditionally simply stayed in our borders and didn't conquer less advanced cultures. Such stupidity of my ancestors not only caused my race to have no access to the Indian Ocean & didn't establish enough connection with the West, the Muslim world and India but also allowed SE Asia to be unusually incompetent as we refused to compete with them due to almost SJW-like madness (i.e. We are the center of the earth. Hence we should treat the barbarians in SEA with kindness. After all they are just uneducated barbarians..even if they occasionally attack us we should forgive them for they are like children..sounds familiar?)

    Without the state agricultural NE Asians even willingly submit to mestizos and Africans. Whites, Middle Easterners or even Africans do voluntarily submit to arbitrary power. On the other hand we do. Singapore was only established because Malays kicked it out of Malaysia. Lee Kuan Yew in fact wanted to stay in Malaysia and wanted to be protected by Malays.

    , @Feryl
    East Asians are not wimpy. I dunno where people get their ideas.
  168. @iffen
    (and in fact having too little aggressiveness).

    Yeah, those Japanese in WWII and the Chinese and Koreans in the "Conflict" were baby milquetoasts. Not to mention their cousins Charlie.

    Well that required statism and a non-traditional worldview to work. NE Asian folks who have gotten over the Confucian non-expansion memes are indeed effective colonists. However sadly we started way too late. Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Mongols etc all naturally expanded. Even Bantus expanded. Agricultural NE Asian peoples are probably the only major group on this planet who traditionally simply stayed in our borders and didn’t conquer less advanced cultures. Such stupidity of my ancestors not only caused my race to have no access to the Indian Ocean & didn’t establish enough connection with the West, the Muslim world and India but also allowed SE Asia to be unusually incompetent as we refused to compete with them due to almost SJW-like madness (i.e. We are the center of the earth. Hence we should treat the barbarians in SEA with kindness. After all they are just uneducated barbarians..even if they occasionally attack us we should forgive them for they are like children..sounds familiar?)

    Without the state agricultural NE Asians even willingly submit to mestizos and Africans. Whites, Middle Easterners or even Africans do voluntarily submit to arbitrary power. On the other hand we do. Singapore was only established because Malays kicked it out of Malaysia. Lee Kuan Yew in fact wanted to stay in Malaysia and wanted to be protected by Malays.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Is China not big enough? Are Russians a "failed" ethnic group because Russia isn't bigger?

    White people (Christendom) lost Turkey ages ago, but more or less accepted Turkey as it's been, as long as the rest of Europe wasn't invaded by Muslims (well, that was the understanding before the 90's).

    Of course, political and demographic territory can rapidly change; The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore, and most majority white countries have become substantially non-white over the last 30 years.
  169. @EastKekistani
    Black cultures are not matriarchal because matriarchies don't actually exist not because women suck or are inferior (nope lol) but because they are too peaceful to dominate a society. Instead they are usually matrilineal/matrilocal.

    To see that we can look at the African market place. Women are often the vast majority of merchants. We can also look at the fields. Women farm while men often don't. Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.

    I don't think black men "compensate for" their immaturity and lack of intelligence with machismo. On the other hand I think masculinity and machismo are simply roughly equivalent in a black context. Blacks may actually pattern match "labor" to "feminine". I'm not sure..

    A more moderate version of the same system exists in SE Asia. That's literally how the Philippines and Indonesia function. Even Vietnam works like that to some extant.

    “Black cultures are not matriarchal because matriarchies don’t actually exist …”

    African American culture is indeed matriarchal. That doesn’t mean there aren’t any black male leaders in public and private life. It’s just on the whole black women are dominant in their communities. They have to be. Black male jackassery is accepted and expected in the U.S.. White elites in culture and sports make bank off of black buffoonery.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    African American culture is indeed matriarchal. That doesn’t mean there aren’t any black male leaders in public and private life. It’s just on the whole black women are dominant in their communities. They have to be. Black male jackassery is accepted and expected in the U.S.. White elites in culture and sports make bank off of black buffoonery.
     
    I think we in fact agree. We just have different definitions for the word "matriarchy". My usage of the term is in a Spandrellian sense: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2018/10/22/the-wars-of-the-sexes/ . Black women are of course dominant in their communities because black men often live outside communities altogether and do not participate in production or trade. What happens in the New World is straight from Africa.
  170. Yet more evidence that CWII is coming.

  171. @SunBakedSuburb
    "Black cultures are not matriarchal because matriarchies don't actually exist ..."

    African American culture is indeed matriarchal. That doesn't mean there aren't any black male leaders in public and private life. It's just on the whole black women are dominant in their communities. They have to be. Black male jackassery is accepted and expected in the U.S.. White elites in culture and sports make bank off of black buffoonery.

    African American culture is indeed matriarchal. That doesn’t mean there aren’t any black male leaders in public and private life. It’s just on the whole black women are dominant in their communities. They have to be. Black male jackassery is accepted and expected in the U.S.. White elites in culture and sports make bank off of black buffoonery.

    I think we in fact agree. We just have different definitions for the word “matriarchy”. My usage of the term is in a Spandrellian sense: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2018/10/22/the-wars-of-the-sexes/ . Black women are of course dominant in their communities because black men often live outside communities altogether and do not participate in production or trade. What happens in the New World is straight from Africa.

  172. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Oh, and finally a solution is to ramp up white immigration from South Africa.

    Give refugee status to the white trash Afrikaners. Finally some immigrants that would actually do well culturally in America. I bet they would actually start improving the rural areas and the locals would sure rather have them than Obama's Section 8 Somalians.

    It would be glorious. hundreds of thousands or millions of high fertility, redpilled, redneck, religious people coming into rural America.

    All of these solutions are very possible, they just require balls and competency. Trump has balls but he's an idiot. GOP has no balls and are also idiots.

    Schoolmarm disapproves of “white trash”.

    Offering asylum to white South Africans would drive the left in the US insane.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Schoolmarm disapproves of “white trash”.

    Schoolmarm should live next door to white trash for a while and she would understand what disapproval of white trash really means. :)

    Offering asylum to white South Africans would drive the left in the US insane.

    And the downside would be?

    I think I know what you mean by the left, but can't we break it down a little further. This hysterically woke authoritarian left is not what some of us want the left to be.
    , @216
    When Peter Dutton proposed asylum for the white farmers, he was roundly attacked in the AUS press. He had at best the support of half of the Liberal Party MPs, the then-Prime Minister and Foreign Minister demurred the idea. The left-press called it hypocritical to be saving 'wealthy' white farmers instead of poor brown Muslims.

    Had they actually gone through with it, nationalization wouldn't have stopped at farms, it would have affected practically all Western-owned investments.

    Imho, the Boers should start learning Mandarin. Western populations lack the tribalism and fortitude to do anything for their plight.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2019/0506/Mining-wrote-South-Africa-s-history.-Does-it-have-a-future

  173. @216

    An unstable coalition won’t collapse as long as there’s fuel (conservative white men).
     
    This is why I like the ideas of passivism and non-intervention.

    "stay in your lane" is a classic small-c conservative sentiment.

    When it comes to campus identity politics, and Big Social, our very existence is thought offensive by the other side. In the absence of our presence, they will begin turning on each other. Anything above ground like the Proud Boys is doomed. Time would be better spent joining a DSA chapter, if only to learn their methods.

    Further, for identity-based politicians like AOC, the only way to defeat her is through the Dem primary. Those that don't live in her (and the others') district should ignore her. There are some brown GOP voters in that district, let them figure out how to beat her.

    I say waking up Hispanics is the best bet for peeling people off the coalition. There are plenty of decent and average Hispanics around, especially the lighter-skinned variety.
     
    Married Hispanic Men vs. Single White Women

    Another group who could vote GOP is Muslims
     
    Most US muslims are Arab or Black, with a smattering of others like Somalis. But the Muslims in the US are not that conservative on social matter as the Right might suspect. Being nicer to Muslims might tip the balance in Michigan, as there are Arab Christians and white moderates that cast sympathy votes against GOP Islamophobia.

    If I could take charge of the right as an authoritarian dictator we would have this shit sorted out in 5 years
     
    The fuhrerprinzip is a bad policy, relyiing upon "charasmatic authority" instead of "rational-legal authority" doesn't work in a pacificed society. It's better to focus on community building, starting local, then regional, national in turn. Basically do the opposite of what Steve Bannon is doing right now. Don't larp in an Italian castle, go back to Hampton Roads, VA and recruit candidates.

    Married Hispanic men 32% R, 48% D

    Single white women 27% R, 45% D

    Married whites are all the GOP has.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    Laughing. I guess I stand a better chance of finding a mate among democrats, rather than republicans
    , @Feryl
    And marriage rates among young whites collapsed in.....The late 1990's. The demographic picture for the GOP is abysmally bad, but what do they care as long as the big fat checks from their wealthy donors don't bounce (and said wealthy donors don't have a clue that the 80's and 90's are never coming back, not culturally, not politically, and certainly not demographically).

    It's been found, pretty consistently (according to Neil Howe), that the last group of people to be decisively pro-GOP was born in about 1972. For those keeping score, that's people over the age of 47. And distaste for the GOP appears to be "baked-in" for those born after 1972, since Late X-ers and Millennials have throughout their lives reported being moderates and/or liberals instead of die-hard Republicans, in comparison to older generations. The GOP has since the mid-80's coasted on the Reaganite ideological shift among GIs, Silents, and Boomers. They are complete idiots if they expect a 1984 type tectonic shift to happen with every single generation.
  174. @iffen
    (and in fact having too little aggressiveness).

    Yeah, those Japanese in WWII and the Chinese and Koreans in the "Conflict" were baby milquetoasts. Not to mention their cousins Charlie.

    East Asians are not wimpy. I dunno where people get their ideas.

    • Replies: @iffen
    I dunno where people get their ideas.

    I dunno either, but if I ever find out, everyone needs to hide in the bushes and watch cause iffen is gonna kick ass and take names.
  175. @Audacious Epigone
    Married Hispanic men 32% R, 48% D

    Single white women 27% R, 45% D

    Married whites are all the GOP has.

    Laughing. I guess I stand a better chance of finding a mate among democrats, rather than republicans

  176. Feryl says:
    @EastKekistani
    Well that required statism and a non-traditional worldview to work. NE Asian folks who have gotten over the Confucian non-expansion memes are indeed effective colonists. However sadly we started way too late. Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Mongols etc all naturally expanded. Even Bantus expanded. Agricultural NE Asian peoples are probably the only major group on this planet who traditionally simply stayed in our borders and didn't conquer less advanced cultures. Such stupidity of my ancestors not only caused my race to have no access to the Indian Ocean & didn't establish enough connection with the West, the Muslim world and India but also allowed SE Asia to be unusually incompetent as we refused to compete with them due to almost SJW-like madness (i.e. We are the center of the earth. Hence we should treat the barbarians in SEA with kindness. After all they are just uneducated barbarians..even if they occasionally attack us we should forgive them for they are like children..sounds familiar?)

    Without the state agricultural NE Asians even willingly submit to mestizos and Africans. Whites, Middle Easterners or even Africans do voluntarily submit to arbitrary power. On the other hand we do. Singapore was only established because Malays kicked it out of Malaysia. Lee Kuan Yew in fact wanted to stay in Malaysia and wanted to be protected by Malays.

    Is China not big enough? Are Russians a “failed” ethnic group because Russia isn’t bigger?

    White people (Christendom) lost Turkey ages ago, but more or less accepted Turkey as it’s been, as long as the rest of Europe wasn’t invaded by Muslims (well, that was the understanding before the 90’s).

    Of course, political and demographic territory can rapidly change; The Soviet Union doesn’t exist anymore, and most majority white countries have become substantially non-white over the last 30 years.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    The issue here isn't whether a nation is big enough. Instead it is whether it can easily expand to less developed places. Russia definitely expanded a lot when it could. I'm sure that it will expand again if it can. Strong tribes expanding towards areas weak tribes are in is natural. On the other hand not doing so is unnatural. Pre-modern China and modern West are good examples of this unnatural phenomenon. Both cases of non-expansion create pockets of incompetence that otherwise would not have existed.
  177. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    An unstable coalition won't collapse as long as there's fuel (conservative white men).

    I was just reading recently about how Hitler's coalition in Germany was quite unstable too - obviously we know that he pulled through in the elections anyways.

    Full cuck was the plan until Trump screwed things up. They are trying to put the worms back in the can but it's too late imo. That's why certain conservatives like Glenn Beck were so anti-Trump - they were promised "respectable conservative" roles in the alternative future where Hillary won, purged the internet, and the GOP went full cuck.

    I say waking up Hispanics is the best bet for peeling people off the coalition. There are plenty of decent and average Hispanics around, especially the lighter-skinned variety. I'm not saying to cuck to them. I'm saying that a ballsy GOP would explicitly target them with messages like "You fled to America to escape this. Now the Dems are inviting it here", something like that. Obviously a significant number already think like this which explains the 30% for Trump (plus the Cuban factor).

    Another group who could vote GOP is Muslims (but not negro Muslims like Somalians), if the Evangelical wing would cool it down on the Zionist and anti-Islam rhetoric. You can be quietly against further Islamic immigration, without being anti-Muslim, imo. "You're already here. Let's not invite the people you fled from", or something like that. Or "You're already here, why not vote against gay marriage, high crime, late term abortions, and transgender children". obviously extremely rough sketches, just outlines of ideas.

    Everything is just so fucked up man. If I could take charge of the right as an authoritarian dictator we would have this shit sorted out in 5 years. Why is everyone so stupid.

    “Another group who could vote GOP is Muslims”

    Religion is a proxy for ethnicity, often times. E.g., there are very few Catholic blacks in America. Different sects are often created to reflect the culture of a particular tribe, e.g. the bizarre manifestations of Xtianity in the American South and West, which are markedly less popular with Italians, Slavs, Irish-Catholics, and WASPs/Teutons in the Northeast and Midwest.

    As long as the GOP is the implicit white party, than the ethnic groups most distinct from whites (such as blacks and Muslims) are never going to vote for the GOP. Race/ethnicity trumps everything else, and religion like I said is often a proxy for race anyway.

  178. @res
    Say a single paper. Like: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/bin/gr2.jpg

    Figure 2
    The Distribution of Ancestry of Self-Reported Latinos across the US

    Differences in mean levels of African (A), European (B), and Native American (C) ancestry in Latinos from each state is shown by shade of blue, red, and orange, respectively. States with fewer than ten individuals are excluded in gray.
     
    The best evidence for this is Figure S5 from that paper which you will have to download for yourself:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/#app2

    Figure S5: Ancestry of self-reported Latinos by secondary self-reported subpopulation. Each individual is shown projected onto the triangle by their genome-wide proportions of African, European, and Native American ancestry, by their self-reported Hispanic sub-identity. Proportion of ancestry can be computed for an individual from the distance in dropping a perpendicular line from the point to the edge opposite the vertex.
     
    It is a very interesting graphic showing the genetic balance between European, African, and Native American ancestry for Hispanics sub-identifying as Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican, Central American, South American, White, and Black. The differences between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are clearly visible.

    I highly recommend checking out Figure S5 if you are interested in this.

    Actually, just found it somewhere else:
    https://qz.com/315756/america-is-much-more-interracial-than-it-thinks/

    https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/latino-second-level-id-23andme.jpeg

    No wonder Cubans do so well.

  179. @Audacious Epigone
    Schoolmarm disapproves of "white trash".

    ---

    Offering asylum to white South Africans would drive the left in the US insane.

    Schoolmarm disapproves of “white trash”.

    Schoolmarm should live next door to white trash for a while and she would understand what disapproval of white trash really means. 🙂

    Offering asylum to white South Africans would drive the left in the US insane.

    And the downside would be?

    I think I know what you mean by the left, but can’t we break it down a little further. This hysterically woke authoritarian left is not what some of us want the left to be.

  180. @Feryl
    East Asians are not wimpy. I dunno where people get their ideas.

    I dunno where people get their ideas.

    I dunno either, but if I ever find out, everyone needs to hide in the bushes and watch cause iffen is gonna kick ass and take names.

  181. @216
    A strategy for the Right is to expose and exploit these divisions. But divide and conquer is difficult to pull off when you don't control the media.

    Either Brimelow or Fulford on VDARE wrote something about how the Dems had "tipped" to being a non-white majority party, in addition to being mostly female. In theory this should result in an unstable coalition.

    Biden is running into an early lead in the polling. Time will tell if he is "black enough" by virtue of service under Obama, and a PeeOhCee running mate. Obviously he won't serve more than one term.

    The existential threat to the progressive stack is either white tribalism (unlikely) or non-whites breaking off for some reason. While the latter is not our favored path, I think it has better odds for success. The other scenario is "full cuck", which we should not discount the odds for, its not an accident that Conservatism Inc loves Mayor Pete.

    “Either Brimelow or Fulford on VDARE wrote something about how the Dems had “tipped” to being a non-white majority party, in addition to being mostly female. In theory this should result in an unstable coalition.”

    Another explanation is that the GOP is increasingly the party of aging, religious, and rural whites who ideally are married. Since the GOP’s pandering to this demographic surged in the 1990’s (when many of the yuppies defected to Clinton), by default they’ve further alienated other demographics. The “Trumpist base” (composed of ideologically purple and less well-educated whites in their 20’s-40’s) of political neophytes doesn’t have:

    1) Much money (- for both parties)
    2) Much investment in the establishment (- for both parties)
    3) Much racial diversity (- for the Dems)

    The GOP could base it’s (probably only successful) strategy for electoral survival on “peeling off” blue collar whites via protectionism, immigration reduction, opposition to privatization, and the like. The GOP’s 1990’s base of “single issue” rural and suburban white voters (keep taxes low, guns, abortion, etc.) is just not viable another 20-30 years down the road (by which time the last heavily white generation, the Boomers, will have been worn down by mortality). Even the suburbs of post-2020 will be more and more non-white, and non-whites in America are not cultural conservatives in the trad. American sense (e.g., saluting the military, the second amendment, evangelical Christianity or conservative Catholicism). However, pandering to elderly (and wealthy) Reaganite Republicans will be hard to shake, and ultimately the Dems (by not offering retarded privatization schemes and offering fewer excuses for rich and corporate scumbags) will be the dominant party, since the GOP is so……Deplorable at offering policies that benefit the poorer class. Reaganite Republicans only make up about 35-40% of population, much of which is literally dying as we speak; the neo-lib Left is still garnering support from some youngsters (in addition to aging Clintonite Dems), the socialist Left is rapidly growing, and the Trumpist base (likely to remain 20-25% of the population) will either stay home or vote for the less moronic of the two options.

  182. @Audacious Epigone
    Married Hispanic men 32% R, 48% D

    Single white women 27% R, 45% D

    Married whites are all the GOP has.

    And marriage rates among young whites collapsed in…..The late 1990’s. The demographic picture for the GOP is abysmally bad, but what do they care as long as the big fat checks from their wealthy donors don’t bounce (and said wealthy donors don’t have a clue that the 80’s and 90’s are never coming back, not culturally, not politically, and certainly not demographically).

    It’s been found, pretty consistently (according to Neil Howe), that the last group of people to be decisively pro-GOP was born in about 1972. For those keeping score, that’s people over the age of 47. And distaste for the GOP appears to be “baked-in” for those born after 1972, since Late X-ers and Millennials have throughout their lives reported being moderates and/or liberals instead of die-hard Republicans, in comparison to older generations. The GOP has since the mid-80’s coasted on the Reaganite ideological shift among GIs, Silents, and Boomers. They are complete idiots if they expect a 1984 type tectonic shift to happen with every single generation.

  183. @baythoven
    Things have changed since 2011. A significant increase in Hispanic animosity during this decade. (My experience having spent the years 1974-2019 in California.)

    Tension between regions, social classes, races, etc. have all grown a lot over the last 10 years, although this is just an intensification of trends that date back to the GHW Bush era (when many Americans started to actively attempt to sell each other out and/or stir up political/racial trouble, often quite brazenly). Certainly anyone who remembers the LA Riots (1992) would admonish anyone who tried to claim that the 1990’s were gentle and peaceful. We also had NAFTA (1993), Waco (1993), the Oklahoma City Bombing (1995), among other events that portended a future civ. clash.

  184. Slightly OT

    I caught just the last part of an NPR story today in which the thrust seemed to be that because of “systemic” racism blacks are not getting their fair share of opioid addicts. I couldn’t have heard that correctly, could I?

  185. @Audacious Epigone
    I bet when most people hear "Asian" they instinctively think East Asian, maybe Filipino, especially whites and blacks over the age of 40 or so.

    We never should have stopped using “oriental”, since it clearly distinguishes the far East (e.g., epicanthal folds) from the Caucasian peoples of other parts of Asia+the Middle East. Hopefully we don’t go down the road of calling Pakistanis “Asian”, like they do in Britain. I think that American’s are so hard-wired to think of Asians as epicanthal fold people that we’ll never use the same term to refer to both non-European/non-African Caucasian people and epicanthal fold people.

    Of course, we in the US also don’t really have a consistent term for the Caucasians of North Africa, the Middle East, and West Asia. Generically saying “Arab*” or “Middle-Easterner” to refer to someone who isn’t white European, Sub-Saharan African, Hispanic, or a dot-Indian, seems to be common among prole whites; presumably upper class whites try to refer to the specific nationality, or they just don’t use any term at all.

    *Some white Americans aren’t really aware that a lot of ethnic groups who aren’t Arab can be found in the MENA.

    • Replies: @iffen
    East Asian and South Asian seem pretty straight forward.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    To keep it relatively simple, Asian could be broken down into three broad categories--"east Asian", "central Asian", and "south Asian". I assume the term Oriental is some sort of microaggression at this point. I know I get pissed when someone refers to me as an Occidental, so I get it!
  186. @EastKekistani
    Nope. That's an absurd belief.

    I’m pretty sure DB Cooper is a subcon therefor projecting.

  187. @Audacious Epigone
    Jews (non-Orthodox, that is) are intermarrying and have TFRs below replacement. As a consequence, "Jews" as a whole in America are in the process of descending towards the gentile white mean on a host of attributes and life outcomes. There are probably some sour grapes here--Jews are feeling the Asian squeeze, too.

    But they are largely marrying with gentile elites, and the implications here ought to be pretty obvious. On the other hand, many low-IQ gentile white women are shacking up with low-average quality blacks. Again, the implication here need not be spelled out.

    ……..OK, for those who are curious: America will become like most of Latin America, where the fair skinned elite sits above a teeming mass of diversity. Each presumed “strong-hold” of middle class normal American culture will give way, one by one, to diverse prole culture, while elites tend to increasingly fortified communities. This has already happened in Southern California* to some extent, and it’s hard to envision this not unfolding elsewhere.

    *The Deep South has always been neo-feudalist, except that it was rich whites living above blacks and prole whites, for a long, long time. But this is no longer the case in Georgia (where large number of New Americans have settled over the last 20 years). Of course, being the Midlander that I am, I can’t help but smirk that anyone with the slightest trace of fairness would lament the reduction in the number of whites in the Deep South, given it’s historical culture of elite contempt for a strong middle class. The class structure of the traditional Deep South, in any event, is going to spread to every other region of America; it already has to California.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    That looks like hell to me. It will actually be worse than Mexico because at least Mexico does not have a large black population. A light-skinned elite ruling over blacks, mestizos and SEAs such as Cambodians? Wow.

    No wonder Japanese people in Brazil often go back to Japan...but Japan does not like them for they have already been memetically if not genetically corrupted by brown and black tropical Brazil.

    , @216
    .
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Ya but where do the brown Indians and the Chinese sit in all this?

    I'm not necessarily so worried about Chinese or any East Asians, as their low birth rate will pretty much reduce their outward pressure by 2040 at least.

    But how do that Hindoos and the other browns fit in here? I'm assuming they are not content to be lumped in with the Mestizos and Mulattoes.

    Either way, I do plan to learn Spanish as I believe I can live quite a comfortable life once the "change" takes place. It won't be so bad for people like me, but I feel such a strong connection to my own people, which includes the white working class. I can't just hang them out to dry. Most whites don't seem to feel this way, or even take pleasure in attacking their own lower class people.
  188. @Medvedev
    Look at
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/May_Day_Immigration_March_LA20.jpg/1280px-May_Day_Immigration_March_LA20.jpg
    people marching (not all Hispanics) are invaders, who clearly hate the US and dream about the moment it collapses. Same goes for many Puerto Ricans with their Puerto Rican pride, marches that despise and promote hate awards US.

    When we let PR vote on independence they always vote it down. If anything we’re less enthusiastic to have them than they are to leave.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    I suggest that...let it be independent maybe on the PC grounds of "decolonization". Unlike Hawaii and Guam it isn't even useful to America at all, right?
  189. @Feryl
    Is China not big enough? Are Russians a "failed" ethnic group because Russia isn't bigger?

    White people (Christendom) lost Turkey ages ago, but more or less accepted Turkey as it's been, as long as the rest of Europe wasn't invaded by Muslims (well, that was the understanding before the 90's).

    Of course, political and demographic territory can rapidly change; The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore, and most majority white countries have become substantially non-white over the last 30 years.

    The issue here isn’t whether a nation is big enough. Instead it is whether it can easily expand to less developed places. Russia definitely expanded a lot when it could. I’m sure that it will expand again if it can. Strong tribes expanding towards areas weak tribes are in is natural. On the other hand not doing so is unnatural. Pre-modern China and modern West are good examples of this unnatural phenomenon. Both cases of non-expansion create pockets of incompetence that otherwise would not have existed.

  190. @EastKekistani
    Lmao. There used to be people who believe that I may be Jewish. There used to be people who believe that I may be Middle Eastern.. Of course there are a lot of people who believed that I'm a white far-rightist.

    Sigh..

    Well, guess what? I'm unusual. Your pattern matching failed.

    Jew .. Middle Eastern … Indian … white

    You’re a Sassoon, aren’t you?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    LOL nope. I'm not a Jew.
  191. @Feryl
    But they are largely marrying with gentile elites, and the implications here ought to be pretty obvious. On the other hand, many low-IQ gentile white women are shacking up with low-average quality blacks. Again, the implication here need not be spelled out.

    ........OK, for those who are curious: America will become like most of Latin America, where the fair skinned elite sits above a teeming mass of diversity. Each presumed "strong-hold" of middle class normal American culture will give way, one by one, to diverse prole culture, while elites tend to increasingly fortified communities. This has already happened in Southern California* to some extent, and it's hard to envision this not unfolding elsewhere.

    *The Deep South has always been neo-feudalist, except that it was rich whites living above blacks and prole whites, for a long, long time. But this is no longer the case in Georgia (where large number of New Americans have settled over the last 20 years). Of course, being the Midlander that I am, I can't help but smirk that anyone with the slightest trace of fairness would lament the reduction in the number of whites in the Deep South, given it's historical culture of elite contempt for a strong middle class. The class structure of the traditional Deep South, in any event, is going to spread to every other region of America; it already has to California.

    That looks like hell to me. It will actually be worse than Mexico because at least Mexico does not have a large black population. A light-skinned elite ruling over blacks, mestizos and SEAs such as Cambodians? Wow.

    No wonder Japanese people in Brazil often go back to Japan…but Japan does not like them for they have already been memetically if not genetically corrupted by brown and black tropical Brazil.

    • Agree: 216
  192. @Anon

    Jew .. Middle Eastern … Indian … white
     
    You're a Sassoon, aren't you?

    LOL nope. I’m not a Jew.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The Sassoons are no longer Jews in most branches, I think.

    But you may be a byblow, you should get your DNA tested if you haven't already.

    Or it could be a case of transmigration of souls. Wu Sei-sun, is that you?
  193. @Anon
    When we let PR vote on independence they always vote it down. If anything we're less enthusiastic to have them than they are to leave.

    I suggest that…let it be independent maybe on the PC grounds of “decolonization”. Unlike Hawaii and Guam it isn’t even useful to America at all, right?

  194. @EastKekistani
    LOL nope. I'm not a Jew.

    The Sassoons are no longer Jews in most branches, I think.

    But you may be a byblow, you should get your DNA tested if you haven’t already.

    Or it could be a case of transmigration of souls. Wu Sei-sun, is that you?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    So you think I behave like a Jew, huh? Why?
  195. @EldnahYm
    What you say about East Asians doesn't look accurate for the U.S. as a whole. With Japanese we have a pretty good model of what happens with Northeast Asians. They come over, assimilate, mix heavily with Whites(in the case of Japanese there aren't many full blooded Japanese left), and are both financially successful and politically weak. Meanwhile the source country develops, because Northeast Asians are smart, and the influx of immigrants slows down or stops. Now if we really tried hard we could find a way to let Chinese rule the country, but it would take effort. Right now I don't see much effort in that direction. Affirmative action for example works against East Asians. Asians aren't politically powerful.

    For Southeast Asians, what I say about Northeast Asians is likely to apply to the Vietnamese as well. What's the next group? Filipinos? They rather like White people, and are highly unlikely to rule over them anywhere.

    South Asians long term are likely to be a more serious threat.

    With Japanese we have a pretty good model of what happens with Northeast Asians. They come over, assimilate, mix heavily with Whites(in the case of Japanese there aren’t many full blooded Japanese left), and are both financially successful and politically weak. Meanwhile the source country develops, because Northeast Asians are smart, and the influx of immigrants slows down or stops.

    Indeed. That is what happened with Japanese immigrants and that is what is happening now with Korean immigrants. I believe the last Census report showed that – for the first time – those identifying as ethnically Korean declined in absolute number, likely from both reverse-migration and assimilation (the last time I looked at a survey that elliptically approached the question of identity, a large fraction of those with Asian ancestry identified as non-Asian – likely white, given the high incidences of mixed white ancestry).

    Now if we really tried hard we could find a way to let Chinese rule the country, but it would take effort. Right now I don’t see much effort in that direction. Affirmative action for example works against East Asians. Asians aren’t politically powerful.

    East Asians in America are averse to politics and ideology and tend to be “issue-voters.” As with white voters, religious ID is also significantly salient (a large majority of Asian evangelicals, for example, vote Republican even now). They persistently have the lowest party identification among all the major ethno-racial groups (that said, among those who do have party ID attachments, they have swung decisively from heavily Republican to heavily Democrat over the past 30 or so years).

    However, I should caution you that Chinese and certainly Indian immigrants may have different assimilation trajectories compared to Japanese and Koreans. To wit:

    Chinese and Indian immigrants – despite economic and educational profiles that are very different from Hispanic immigrants (except Cubans) – have persistently showed assimilation levels that cluster with Hispanics rather than with other Asians.

    Indians, in particular, have shown a markedly low level of intermarriage (with whites), a considerably alien religious culture, anti-egalitarian ethos, and much higher propensity for engaging in politics and other visibly public roles, quite unlike Northeast Asians. Given those factors, I think they are far more likely to be the “new (Asian) Jews” in America than the latter (a while back, I described, only half in jest, the Japanese as Asian Englishmen, the Koreans as Asian (Ulster) Irish, and the Filipinos as Asian Italians).

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Well, Filipinos aren't Mongoloid Italians lol. I don't think any group in Europe or the Middle East is comparable to them. They are pretty much comparable to mestizos in many aspects. Moreover they don't belong to NE Asia at all.

    As for who are Jews of Asia it is already clear. It is us. Indians do not attract as much hatred or dominate as many markets as the Chinese. Moreover the presence of intellectual and commercial traditions and absence of military tradition hold for both Jews and Chinese and almost nobody else. India on the other hand does have a military tradition and is very diverse.

    I will add a group though. Mongols are Mongoloid Arabs (especially Bedouins) and they are awesome.

    , @EldnahYm
    I think Chinese are still subject to the same population dynamics as Japanese and Koreans. As China continues to develop, the desire to immigrate will decrease, while the fertility of the Chinese decreases, and the Chinese who have been in the U.S. longer will become more likely to assimilate. Of course I don't say we [I]couldn't[/I] screw this up if we tried, particularly since there are a lot more Chinese out there.

    Indians are a completely different animal. They are naturally clannish in a way that is wildly underestimated, fertility in India is higher, development at a Northeast Asian level will not occur, and worst of all, the actual Indian government has numerous policies to aid their people in getting work visas to the U.S. As you also point out, Indians are also much more politically active, and aside from some Indian Christians(who are a tiny minority of total Indians) are one party loyalists. Another factor to keep in mind is that Indians are more regarded as oppressed minorities by the mainstream than East Asians are. Large scale Indian immigration is a more serious threat.
  196. @Anon
    The Sassoons are no longer Jews in most branches, I think.

    But you may be a byblow, you should get your DNA tested if you haven't already.

    Or it could be a case of transmigration of souls. Wu Sei-sun, is that you?

    So you think I behave like a Jew, huh? Why?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Okay, so you're not a Jew, but you're white, Indian, and Middle Eastern?


    Huh, I thought Freddie Mercury was dead.
  197. @Twinkie

    With Japanese we have a pretty good model of what happens with Northeast Asians. They come over, assimilate, mix heavily with Whites(in the case of Japanese there aren’t many full blooded Japanese left), and are both financially successful and politically weak. Meanwhile the source country develops, because Northeast Asians are smart, and the influx of immigrants slows down or stops.
     
    Indeed. That is what happened with Japanese immigrants and that is what is happening now with Korean immigrants. I believe the last Census report showed that - for the first time - those identifying as ethnically Korean declined in absolute number, likely from both reverse-migration and assimilation (the last time I looked at a survey that elliptically approached the question of identity, a large fraction of those with Asian ancestry identified as non-Asian - likely white, given the high incidences of mixed white ancestry).

    Now if we really tried hard we could find a way to let Chinese rule the country, but it would take effort. Right now I don’t see much effort in that direction. Affirmative action for example works against East Asians. Asians aren’t politically powerful.
     
    East Asians in America are averse to politics and ideology and tend to be "issue-voters." As with white voters, religious ID is also significantly salient (a large majority of Asian evangelicals, for example, vote Republican even now). They persistently have the lowest party identification among all the major ethno-racial groups (that said, among those who do have party ID attachments, they have swung decisively from heavily Republican to heavily Democrat over the past 30 or so years).

    However, I should caution you that Chinese and certainly Indian immigrants may have different assimilation trajectories compared to Japanese and Koreans. To wit:

    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    Chinese and Indian immigrants - despite economic and educational profiles that are very different from Hispanic immigrants (except Cubans) - have persistently showed assimilation levels that cluster with Hispanics rather than with other Asians.

    Indians, in particular, have shown a markedly low level of intermarriage (with whites), a considerably alien religious culture, anti-egalitarian ethos, and much higher propensity for engaging in politics and other visibly public roles, quite unlike Northeast Asians. Given those factors, I think they are far more likely to be the "new (Asian) Jews" in America than the latter (a while back, I described, only half in jest, the Japanese as Asian Englishmen, the Koreans as Asian (Ulster) Irish, and the Filipinos as Asian Italians).

    Well, Filipinos aren’t Mongoloid Italians lol. I don’t think any group in Europe or the Middle East is comparable to them. They are pretty much comparable to mestizos in many aspects. Moreover they don’t belong to NE Asia at all.

    As for who are Jews of Asia it is already clear. It is us. Indians do not attract as much hatred or dominate as many markets as the Chinese. Moreover the presence of intellectual and commercial traditions and absence of military tradition hold for both Jews and Chinese and almost nobody else. India on the other hand does have a military tradition and is very diverse.

    I will add a group though. Mongols are Mongoloid Arabs (especially Bedouins) and they are awesome.

  198. @Truth
    Steve earned his PhD in Sociology, where?

    Sociology is a garbage discipline, with nil representation of the right-wing.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Any discipline related to human societies tends to be corrupted by human societies.
  199. @Feryl
    But they are largely marrying with gentile elites, and the implications here ought to be pretty obvious. On the other hand, many low-IQ gentile white women are shacking up with low-average quality blacks. Again, the implication here need not be spelled out.

    ........OK, for those who are curious: America will become like most of Latin America, where the fair skinned elite sits above a teeming mass of diversity. Each presumed "strong-hold" of middle class normal American culture will give way, one by one, to diverse prole culture, while elites tend to increasingly fortified communities. This has already happened in Southern California* to some extent, and it's hard to envision this not unfolding elsewhere.

    *The Deep South has always been neo-feudalist, except that it was rich whites living above blacks and prole whites, for a long, long time. But this is no longer the case in Georgia (where large number of New Americans have settled over the last 20 years). Of course, being the Midlander that I am, I can't help but smirk that anyone with the slightest trace of fairness would lament the reduction in the number of whites in the Deep South, given it's historical culture of elite contempt for a strong middle class. The class structure of the traditional Deep South, in any event, is going to spread to every other region of America; it already has to California.

    .

  200. @EastKekistani
    So you think I behave like a Jew, huh? Why?

    Okay, so you’re not a Jew, but you’re white, Indian, and Middle Eastern?

    Huh, I thought Freddie Mercury was dead.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Nah. I'm actually Chinese. However I'm culturally strongly influenced by Europeans, Jews and Middle Eastern people so my actual views are a mixture of views in China, the Silicon Valley, Nazi Germany, the Muslim world and Israel. The most accurate short description of me culturally would be "Social Darwinist STEM dude".
  201. @216
    Sociology is a garbage discipline, with nil representation of the right-wing.

    Any discipline related to human societies tends to be corrupted by human societies.

  202. @Anon
    Okay, so you're not a Jew, but you're white, Indian, and Middle Eastern?


    Huh, I thought Freddie Mercury was dead.

    Nah. I’m actually Chinese. However I’m culturally strongly influenced by Europeans, Jews and Middle Eastern people so my actual views are a mixture of views in China, the Silicon Valley, Nazi Germany, the Muslim world and Israel. The most accurate short description of me culturally would be “Social Darwinist STEM dude”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    You are a Jew! My jokes can't be that bad, so you must be trying to fake a lack of a sense of humor! We're all on to you, though.


    (do I really need to write /s)? Apparently I do?

  203. @EastKekistani
    Nah. I'm actually Chinese. However I'm culturally strongly influenced by Europeans, Jews and Middle Eastern people so my actual views are a mixture of views in China, the Silicon Valley, Nazi Germany, the Muslim world and Israel. The most accurate short description of me culturally would be "Social Darwinist STEM dude".

    You are a Jew! My jokes can’t be that bad, so you must be trying to fake a lack of a sense of humor! We’re all on to you, though.

    (do I really need to write /s)? Apparently I do?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Nope. I'm really not a Jew. Do I actually behave like one? You know..I'm not even Caucasoid so I can't just pass as an Ashkenazi.
  204. 216 says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    Schoolmarm disapproves of "white trash".

    ---

    Offering asylum to white South Africans would drive the left in the US insane.

    When Peter Dutton proposed asylum for the white farmers, he was roundly attacked in the AUS press. He had at best the support of half of the Liberal Party MPs, the then-Prime Minister and Foreign Minister demurred the idea. The left-press called it hypocritical to be saving ‘wealthy’ white farmers instead of poor brown Muslims.

    Had they actually gone through with it, nationalization wouldn’t have stopped at farms, it would have affected practically all Western-owned investments.

    Imho, the Boers should start learning Mandarin. Western populations lack the tribalism and fortitude to do anything for their plight.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2019/0506/Mining-wrote-South-Africa-s-history.-Does-it-have-a-future

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Well, you guys should have stepped in and saved white South Africa when it was still around. Seriously. If you really want to ask me what went wrong then I would say..SA whites should have never allowed SA to be anything other than a white settler colony. SA whites not only did not guard the demographics of their colonies but also allowed blacks to vote back then. The Cape Qualified Franchise was a crucial mistake and was evidence that local whites didn't really agree on what they wanted their colonies to be.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Qualified_Franchise

    After you have already given them voting rights for many years it is hard to take them away.

  205. @Anon
    You are a Jew! My jokes can't be that bad, so you must be trying to fake a lack of a sense of humor! We're all on to you, though.


    (do I really need to write /s)? Apparently I do?

    Nope. I’m really not a Jew. Do I actually behave like one? You know..I’m not even Caucasoid so I can’t just pass as an Ashkenazi.

    • Replies: @Anon
    That's OK, you can make Aaliyah anyway even if you don't look Jewish, though people there will say "that's funny".

    Do you also unironically believe in Kekistan? (protip google /sarc tag)
  206. @216
    When Peter Dutton proposed asylum for the white farmers, he was roundly attacked in the AUS press. He had at best the support of half of the Liberal Party MPs, the then-Prime Minister and Foreign Minister demurred the idea. The left-press called it hypocritical to be saving 'wealthy' white farmers instead of poor brown Muslims.

    Had they actually gone through with it, nationalization wouldn't have stopped at farms, it would have affected practically all Western-owned investments.

    Imho, the Boers should start learning Mandarin. Western populations lack the tribalism and fortitude to do anything for their plight.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2019/0506/Mining-wrote-South-Africa-s-history.-Does-it-have-a-future

    Well, you guys should have stepped in and saved white South Africa when it was still around. Seriously. If you really want to ask me what went wrong then I would say..SA whites should have never allowed SA to be anything other than a white settler colony. SA whites not only did not guard the demographics of their colonies but also allowed blacks to vote back then. The Cape Qualified Franchise was a crucial mistake and was evidence that local whites didn’t really agree on what they wanted their colonies to be.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Qualified_Franchise

    After you have already given them voting rights for many years it is hard to take them away.

    • Replies: @216

    If you really want to ask me what went wrong then I would say..SA whites should have never allowed SA to be anything other than a white settler colony.
     
    There was no mass death from disease, except for the Khoi San in the western half of the country.

    The Boer Republics had a strictly limited franchise, which Britain used as the casus belli for the Boer Wars.

    The Cape Qualified Franchise was a crucial mistake and was evidence that local whites didn’t really agree on what they wanted their colonies to be.
     
    The National Party got rid of the qualified franchise. That was probably a mistake. They also centralized power to avoid sharing it with the more liberal leaning British.

    On a geographic and demographic basis, there is no logic to the formation of South Africa. The British intended to include Southern (Zim) and Northern (Zambia) Rhodesia, and the country formerly included what is now Namibia.
  207. @EastKekistani
    Nope. I'm really not a Jew. Do I actually behave like one? You know..I'm not even Caucasoid so I can't just pass as an Ashkenazi.

    That’s OK, you can make Aaliyah anyway even if you don’t look Jewish, though people there will say “that’s funny”.

    Do you also unironically believe in Kekistan? (protip google /sarc tag)

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Do you also unironically believe in Kekistan? (protip google /sarc tag)
     
    Well I unironically support it. I invented the NE Asian variant of Kekistan, namely East Kekistan.

    The main East Kekistani racial concerns are:

    1. Negroids & SEAs & Pacific Islanders and their harm to NE Asian people through racial violence all over the world, economic harm (e.g. NE Asian debt that they never repay), cultural corruption (e.g. rap), miscegenation and tropical diseases.

    2. Despots for they oppress NE Asian people, rob us and use the money they rob to aid Negroids & SEAs & Pacific Islanders. Even North Korea aids Negroids despite being so poor. In Mandarin we call it "取之于韭、用之于匪、赠之于非。" That is, wealth is robbed from the Chinese people, used by commies and given to Africa as aid. (Those who believe I'm Indian or something should read this lol. That's not a literal translation and requires familiarity with internet slang of modern mainland China to understand. Google Translate isn't going to give you the answer.)

    So they are fairly similar to Kekistani concerns. I don't discuss mestizos that much for they are not directly relevant to the NE Asian racial homeland. On the other hand I discuss SEAs a lot because they are even more relevant to us compared to Africans.

  208. Thomm,

    “Waste matter whites are a defective subrace” gives the schoolmarm an excuse to delete the comment. Empirical validation for your theory will permit its discussion–otherwise, it’s dehumanizing. Mock me as you will, but please respect the rules here.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    “Waste matter whites are a defective subrace”
     
    Thomm often decries the language used by white supremacists who describe nonwhites in similar terms, but seems completely unaware of the fact that he uses similarly dehumanizing language (about lower SES whites).
  209. 216 says:
    @EastKekistani
    Well, you guys should have stepped in and saved white South Africa when it was still around. Seriously. If you really want to ask me what went wrong then I would say..SA whites should have never allowed SA to be anything other than a white settler colony. SA whites not only did not guard the demographics of their colonies but also allowed blacks to vote back then. The Cape Qualified Franchise was a crucial mistake and was evidence that local whites didn't really agree on what they wanted their colonies to be.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Qualified_Franchise

    After you have already given them voting rights for many years it is hard to take them away.

    If you really want to ask me what went wrong then I would say..SA whites should have never allowed SA to be anything other than a white settler colony.

    There was no mass death from disease, except for the Khoi San in the western half of the country.

    The Boer Republics had a strictly limited franchise, which Britain used as the casus belli for the Boer Wars.

    The Cape Qualified Franchise was a crucial mistake and was evidence that local whites didn’t really agree on what they wanted their colonies to be.

    The National Party got rid of the qualified franchise. That was probably a mistake. They also centralized power to avoid sharing it with the more liberal leaning British.

    On a geographic and demographic basis, there is no logic to the formation of South Africa. The British intended to include Southern (Zim) and Northern (Zambia) Rhodesia, and the country formerly included what is now Namibia.

    • Replies: @216
    In 1948, I doubt many would have been able to predict that:

    -Contraception would lead to a massive drop in European fertility rates.
    -The Green Revolution in agriculture, with consequent increases in black population
    -The abrupt decolonization, rather than gradual
    -The collapse of white ethnocentrism

    One trend they probably should have noticed was the rise of Asia economically, they also failed to build links with South American caudillos.
  210. @Truth
    Steve earned his PhD in Sociology, where?

    The University of Empiricism, School of Noticing, IIRC.

    • Replies: @Truth
    One thing about "right wingers" that I have learned in a decade, plus on this site: Credentials are important, until they aren't.
  211. @Anon
    That's OK, you can make Aaliyah anyway even if you don't look Jewish, though people there will say "that's funny".

    Do you also unironically believe in Kekistan? (protip google /sarc tag)

    Do you also unironically believe in Kekistan? (protip google /sarc tag)

    Well I unironically support it. I invented the NE Asian variant of Kekistan, namely East Kekistan.

    The main East Kekistani racial concerns are:

    1. Negroids & SEAs & Pacific Islanders and their harm to NE Asian people through racial violence all over the world, economic harm (e.g. NE Asian debt that they never repay), cultural corruption (e.g. rap), miscegenation and tropical diseases.

    2. Despots for they oppress NE Asian people, rob us and use the money they rob to aid Negroids & SEAs & Pacific Islanders. Even North Korea aids Negroids despite being so poor. In Mandarin we call it “取之于韭、用之于匪、赠之于非。” That is, wealth is robbed from the Chinese people, used by commies and given to Africa as aid. (Those who believe I’m Indian or something should read this lol. That’s not a literal translation and requires familiarity with internet slang of modern mainland China to understand. Google Translate isn’t going to give you the answer.)

    So they are fairly similar to Kekistani concerns. I don’t discuss mestizos that much for they are not directly relevant to the NE Asian racial homeland. On the other hand I discuss SEAs a lot because they are even more relevant to us compared to Africans.

    • Replies: @Anon
    East Kekistan will never successfully secede from Kekistan, and if it does it will be Kekladesh. I do not support secession movements. But you can still make Aaliyah and I will support that.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    What percentage of mainland Chinese would be on board with you're using "us" in this context? How do other Han feel wrt your sentiments?
  212. 3200875

    Jesus, are you trying to get UR’s hosting pulled?!

    • Replies: @216
    PRC fedpoasting?
    , @EastKekistani
    Really no. Please delete that comment if you don't like it. I won't post anything like that again on your blog.
    , @Twinkie

    Jesus, are you trying to get UR’s hosting pulled?!
     
    I stopped addressing his comments, because he struck me as a juvenile Hitler fanboy with all that Lebensraum talk. And he keeps (annoyingly) projecting his own insecurities to Asians as a whole.

    Lebensraum for East Asians? Really? As you pointed out, some are already contracting in population both here in the U.S. and in East Asia due to very low fertility (and assimilation in the U.S.).

    I can't tell if he's just trolling or really believes all that.
  213. 216 says:
    @216

    If you really want to ask me what went wrong then I would say..SA whites should have never allowed SA to be anything other than a white settler colony.
     
    There was no mass death from disease, except for the Khoi San in the western half of the country.

    The Boer Republics had a strictly limited franchise, which Britain used as the casus belli for the Boer Wars.

    The Cape Qualified Franchise was a crucial mistake and was evidence that local whites didn’t really agree on what they wanted their colonies to be.
     
    The National Party got rid of the qualified franchise. That was probably a mistake. They also centralized power to avoid sharing it with the more liberal leaning British.

    On a geographic and demographic basis, there is no logic to the formation of South Africa. The British intended to include Southern (Zim) and Northern (Zambia) Rhodesia, and the country formerly included what is now Namibia.

    In 1948, I doubt many would have been able to predict that:

    -Contraception would lead to a massive drop in European fertility rates.
    -The Green Revolution in agriculture, with consequent increases in black population
    -The abrupt decolonization, rather than gradual
    -The collapse of white ethnocentrism

    One trend they probably should have noticed was the rise of Asia economically, they also failed to build links with South American caudillos.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    One trend they probably should have noticed was the rise of Asia economically
     
    Some people on Unz still haven't noticed it, and discuss Asia like it's still 1948.
  214. @Audacious Epigone
    Jesus, are you trying to get UR's hosting pulled?!

    PRC fedpoasting?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Nah. I have no interest in fedposting. The "People's " Republic of China offers African students the best dorms in Chinese universities and even give them free girlfriends. I doubt that this is already known in media in English but in anti-commie Chinese online culture it is definitely known. The girls commies recruit for all kinds of foreign male students are known as 学伴 (lit. "study buddy")s. The Africans come to China, have sex with multiple Chinese women, spread STD and dump them.

    So I'm not really sure what the so-called "P"RC actually is. It is thankfully still China. It is nominally a republic because even Xi isn't a monarch. However what kind of people do the "P"RC belongs to? Shall it be renamed "African Republic of China" because it is at least more accurate than "People's Republic of China"?

  215. @Audacious Epigone
    Jesus, are you trying to get UR's hosting pulled?!

    Really no. Please delete that comment if you don’t like it. I won’t post anything like that again on your blog.

  216. @216
    PRC fedpoasting?

    Nah. I have no interest in fedposting. The “People’s ” Republic of China offers African students the best dorms in Chinese universities and even give them free girlfriends. I doubt that this is already known in media in English but in anti-commie Chinese online culture it is definitely known. The girls commies recruit for all kinds of foreign male students are known as 学伴 (lit. “study buddy”)s. The Africans come to China, have sex with multiple Chinese women, spread STD and dump them.

    So I’m not really sure what the so-called “P”RC actually is. It is thankfully still China. It is nominally a republic because even Xi isn’t a monarch. However what kind of people do the “P”RC belongs to? Shall it be renamed “African Republic of China” because it is at least more accurate than “People’s Republic of China”?

  217. @Audacious Epigone
    Thomm,

    "Waste matter whites are a defective subrace" gives the schoolmarm an excuse to delete the comment. Empirical validation for your theory will permit its discussion--otherwise, it's dehumanizing. Mock me as you will, but please respect the rules here.

    “Waste matter whites are a defective subrace”

    Thomm often decries the language used by white supremacists who describe nonwhites in similar terms, but seems completely unaware of the fact that he uses similarly dehumanizing language (about lower SES whites).

  218. @Audacious Epigone
    Jesus, are you trying to get UR's hosting pulled?!

    Jesus, are you trying to get UR’s hosting pulled?!

    I stopped addressing his comments, because he struck me as a juvenile Hitler fanboy with all that Lebensraum talk. And he keeps (annoyingly) projecting his own insecurities to Asians as a whole.

    Lebensraum for East Asians? Really? As you pointed out, some are already contracting in population both here in the U.S. and in East Asia due to very low fertility (and assimilation in the U.S.).

    I can’t tell if he’s just trolling or really believes all that.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    I can’t tell if he’s just trolling or really believes all that.
     
    I really believe that. If you think the Philippines or Cambodia is somehow belong to NE Asia please show me evidence that Manila and Phnom Penh are cities comparable to Beijing, Tokyo, Seoul or Taipei. Can you?
    , @Truth
    Does this mean there's not a Unification of Asian Unzistas (UAU) To look forward to in the future?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    You were missed during your brief hiatus, btw!
  219. @216
    In 1948, I doubt many would have been able to predict that:

    -Contraception would lead to a massive drop in European fertility rates.
    -The Green Revolution in agriculture, with consequent increases in black population
    -The abrupt decolonization, rather than gradual
    -The collapse of white ethnocentrism

    One trend they probably should have noticed was the rise of Asia economically, they also failed to build links with South American caudillos.

    One trend they probably should have noticed was the rise of Asia economically

    Some people on Unz still haven’t noticed it, and discuss Asia like it’s still 1948.

    • Replies: @216
    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.
    , @EastKekistani

    Some people on Unz still haven’t noticed it, and discuss Asia like it’s still 1948.
     
    I don't in fact mind people who behave like that. Yes, China still has many Second World problems such as pollution and lack of animal rights. Second World problems are what nations have when they transition from Third World to First World. They will go away once we become First World. Thames River used to be dirty. Ruhr used to be dirty. The Seto Inland Sea used to be dirty. Now they are clean. So will China. The environment will be great. Dog meat will disappear. Commies will be gone.
  220. @Twinkie

    One trend they probably should have noticed was the rise of Asia economically
     
    Some people on Unz still haven't noticed it, and discuss Asia like it's still 1948.

    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.
     
    Inshallah, may that day never come.

    I think the Japanese were supposed to show us all that in the 1980's. Whatever happened that?

    I was merely commenting on the fact that a lot of commenters around these parts are given to hyperbole about Asian "shitholes" and don't seem to realize that cities such as Seoul and Tokyo are SWPL heaven.

    https://youtu.be/yaC41U5qKDY
    , @EastKekistani

    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.
     
    To be honest if the West continues to be corrupted by brown and black cultures yes it will eventually happen. It may be a Chinese fleet, a Japanese fleet, a Russian fleet, an Indian fleet or an Arab fleet. But yes it will come unless the corruption is stopped.
    , @iffen
    Don't hold your breath.
  221. @Twinkie

    Jesus, are you trying to get UR’s hosting pulled?!
     
    I stopped addressing his comments, because he struck me as a juvenile Hitler fanboy with all that Lebensraum talk. And he keeps (annoyingly) projecting his own insecurities to Asians as a whole.

    Lebensraum for East Asians? Really? As you pointed out, some are already contracting in population both here in the U.S. and in East Asia due to very low fertility (and assimilation in the U.S.).

    I can't tell if he's just trolling or really believes all that.

    I can’t tell if he’s just trolling or really believes all that.

    I really believe that. If you think the Philippines or Cambodia is somehow belong to NE Asia please show me evidence that Manila and Phnom Penh are cities comparable to Beijing, Tokyo, Seoul or Taipei. Can you?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    If you think the Philippines or Cambodia is somehow belong to NE Asia
     
    "Is... belong"? What are you even talking about?

    Never mind.
  222. @Twinkie

    One trend they probably should have noticed was the rise of Asia economically
     
    Some people on Unz still haven't noticed it, and discuss Asia like it's still 1948.

    Some people on Unz still haven’t noticed it, and discuss Asia like it’s still 1948.

    I don’t in fact mind people who behave like that. Yes, China still has many Second World problems such as pollution and lack of animal rights. Second World problems are what nations have when they transition from Third World to First World. They will go away once we become First World. Thames River used to be dirty. Ruhr used to be dirty. The Seto Inland Sea used to be dirty. Now they are clean. So will China. The environment will be great. Dog meat will disappear. Commies will be gone.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    As the west descends back into second-world status we are getting commies popping up all over the place again, so it makes sense.

    It seems so obvious to me that the 21st century is the Asian century, mostly of China but also of India (and maybe North Korea, relatively-speaking?).
  223. @Feryl
    But they are largely marrying with gentile elites, and the implications here ought to be pretty obvious. On the other hand, many low-IQ gentile white women are shacking up with low-average quality blacks. Again, the implication here need not be spelled out.

    ........OK, for those who are curious: America will become like most of Latin America, where the fair skinned elite sits above a teeming mass of diversity. Each presumed "strong-hold" of middle class normal American culture will give way, one by one, to diverse prole culture, while elites tend to increasingly fortified communities. This has already happened in Southern California* to some extent, and it's hard to envision this not unfolding elsewhere.

    *The Deep South has always been neo-feudalist, except that it was rich whites living above blacks and prole whites, for a long, long time. But this is no longer the case in Georgia (where large number of New Americans have settled over the last 20 years). Of course, being the Midlander that I am, I can't help but smirk that anyone with the slightest trace of fairness would lament the reduction in the number of whites in the Deep South, given it's historical culture of elite contempt for a strong middle class. The class structure of the traditional Deep South, in any event, is going to spread to every other region of America; it already has to California.

    Ya but where do the brown Indians and the Chinese sit in all this?

    I’m not necessarily so worried about Chinese or any East Asians, as their low birth rate will pretty much reduce their outward pressure by 2040 at least.

    But how do that Hindoos and the other browns fit in here? I’m assuming they are not content to be lumped in with the Mestizos and Mulattoes.

    Either way, I do plan to learn Spanish as I believe I can live quite a comfortable life once the “change” takes place. It won’t be so bad for people like me, but I feel such a strong connection to my own people, which includes the white working class. I can’t just hang them out to dry. Most whites don’t seem to feel this way, or even take pleasure in attacking their own lower class people.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Ya but where do the brown Indians and the Chinese sit in all this?
     
    Where do NE Asians currently sit in Latin America? From what I have heard the pure blooded ones tend to be fairly well off. Basically a group of weird and fairly wealthy outsiders watching the eternal white (and Arab, Lebanese) vs brown & black drama.

    Either way, I do plan to learn Spanish as I believe I can live quite a comfortable life once the “change” takes place.
     
    French is fairly similar to Spanish. So you may indeed find Spanish easy to learn.

    It won’t be so bad for people like me, but I feel such a strong connection to my own people, which includes the white working class. I can’t just hang them out to dry.
     
    You are an honorable man.

    I don't want to exclude poor NE Asian people either. Even in the worst case they should at least be allowed to go to SEA, Pacific Islands or Africa if they find competition back home to be too severe. They do deserve a break.


    Most whites don’t seem to feel this way, or even take pleasure in attacking their own lower class people.
     
    Same for China. As I said before China is a collection of hundreds of millions of nano-Israels (known as "families") all considering each other to be goyim. Class conflict is indeed severe in China.
  224. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Ya but where do the brown Indians and the Chinese sit in all this?

    I'm not necessarily so worried about Chinese or any East Asians, as their low birth rate will pretty much reduce their outward pressure by 2040 at least.

    But how do that Hindoos and the other browns fit in here? I'm assuming they are not content to be lumped in with the Mestizos and Mulattoes.

    Either way, I do plan to learn Spanish as I believe I can live quite a comfortable life once the "change" takes place. It won't be so bad for people like me, but I feel such a strong connection to my own people, which includes the white working class. I can't just hang them out to dry. Most whites don't seem to feel this way, or even take pleasure in attacking their own lower class people.

    Ya but where do the brown Indians and the Chinese sit in all this?

    Where do NE Asians currently sit in Latin America? From what I have heard the pure blooded ones tend to be fairly well off. Basically a group of weird and fairly wealthy outsiders watching the eternal white (and Arab, Lebanese) vs brown & black drama.

    Either way, I do plan to learn Spanish as I believe I can live quite a comfortable life once the “change” takes place.

    French is fairly similar to Spanish. So you may indeed find Spanish easy to learn.

    It won’t be so bad for people like me, but I feel such a strong connection to my own people, which includes the white working class. I can’t just hang them out to dry.

    You are an honorable man.

    I don’t want to exclude poor NE Asian people either. Even in the worst case they should at least be allowed to go to SEA, Pacific Islands or Africa if they find competition back home to be too severe. They do deserve a break.

    Most whites don’t seem to feel this way, or even take pleasure in attacking their own lower class people.

    Same for China. As I said before China is a collection of hundreds of millions of nano-Israels (known as “families”) all considering each other to be goyim. Class conflict is indeed severe in China.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    From what I have heard the pure blooded ones tend to be fairly well off.
     
    Sure, but there aren't millions of them coming over every year in mass migration. I'm sure they do well economically in Latin America, but they have little political power and are kept in line by the harsher and more ethno-centric white elites.

    I have no idea how America/Canada will look. These brown people are not good people, they have massive insecurity problems with NH-Whites and I don't think things will be pretty in the future.
  225. @216
    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.

    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.

    Inshallah, may that day never come.

    I think the Japanese were supposed to show us all that in the 1980’s. Whatever happened that?

    I was merely commenting on the fact that a lot of commenters around these parts are given to hyperbole about Asian “shitholes” and don’t seem to realize that cities such as Seoul and Tokyo are SWPL heaven.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    I think the Japanese were supposed to show us all that in the 1980’s. Whatever happened that?
     
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2015/04/01/this-is-no-april-fool-japan-is-beating-the-pants-off-the-united-states
  226. @Twinkie

    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.
     
    Inshallah, may that day never come.

    I think the Japanese were supposed to show us all that in the 1980's. Whatever happened that?

    I was merely commenting on the fact that a lot of commenters around these parts are given to hyperbole about Asian "shitholes" and don't seem to realize that cities such as Seoul and Tokyo are SWPL heaven.

    https://youtu.be/yaC41U5qKDY

    I think the Japanese were supposed to show us all that in the 1980’s. Whatever happened that?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2015/04/01/this-is-no-april-fool-japan-is-beating-the-pants-off-the-united-states

  227. @EastKekistani

    I can’t tell if he’s just trolling or really believes all that.
     
    I really believe that. If you think the Philippines or Cambodia is somehow belong to NE Asia please show me evidence that Manila and Phnom Penh are cities comparable to Beijing, Tokyo, Seoul or Taipei. Can you?

    If you think the Philippines or Cambodia is somehow belong to NE Asia

    “Is… belong”? What are you even talking about?

    Never mind.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Oops. That's just a typo. Please answer my question.
  228. @216
    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.

    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.

    To be honest if the West continues to be corrupted by brown and black cultures yes it will eventually happen. It may be a Chinese fleet, a Japanese fleet, a Russian fleet, an Indian fleet or an Arab fleet. But yes it will come unless the corruption is stopped.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yup we will be wiped off the face of the earth unless we wake up.

    Right now I think that most white people don't even really care.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    You think there will be a naval invasion of a nuclear-armed power?
  229. @Twinkie

    If you think the Philippines or Cambodia is somehow belong to NE Asia
     
    "Is... belong"? What are you even talking about?

    Never mind.

    Oops. That’s just a typo. Please answer my question.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Please answer my question.
     
    You are almost comically incoherent - I suspect I know what you are asking, but am not 100% sure. If you are serious about a topic and want to know what I think of it, why don't you formulate a precise asking sentence that makes sense rather than make a series of Hitler-style declarations in Asian context?
  230. @EastKekistani

    Ya but where do the brown Indians and the Chinese sit in all this?
     
    Where do NE Asians currently sit in Latin America? From what I have heard the pure blooded ones tend to be fairly well off. Basically a group of weird and fairly wealthy outsiders watching the eternal white (and Arab, Lebanese) vs brown & black drama.

    Either way, I do plan to learn Spanish as I believe I can live quite a comfortable life once the “change” takes place.
     
    French is fairly similar to Spanish. So you may indeed find Spanish easy to learn.

    It won’t be so bad for people like me, but I feel such a strong connection to my own people, which includes the white working class. I can’t just hang them out to dry.
     
    You are an honorable man.

    I don't want to exclude poor NE Asian people either. Even in the worst case they should at least be allowed to go to SEA, Pacific Islands or Africa if they find competition back home to be too severe. They do deserve a break.


    Most whites don’t seem to feel this way, or even take pleasure in attacking their own lower class people.
     
    Same for China. As I said before China is a collection of hundreds of millions of nano-Israels (known as "families") all considering each other to be goyim. Class conflict is indeed severe in China.

    From what I have heard the pure blooded ones tend to be fairly well off.

    Sure, but there aren’t millions of them coming over every year in mass migration. I’m sure they do well economically in Latin America, but they have little political power and are kept in line by the harsher and more ethno-centric white elites.

    I have no idea how America/Canada will look. These brown people are not good people, they have massive insecurity problems with NH-Whites and I don’t think things will be pretty in the future.

  231. @EastKekistani

    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.
     
    To be honest if the West continues to be corrupted by brown and black cultures yes it will eventually happen. It may be a Chinese fleet, a Japanese fleet, a Russian fleet, an Indian fleet or an Arab fleet. But yes it will come unless the corruption is stopped.

    Yup we will be wiped off the face of the earth unless we wake up.

    Right now I think that most white people don’t even really care.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Yup we will be wiped off the face of the earth unless we wake up.
     
    Yep. You guys have never mistreated me hence I repay your kindness with a sincere warning just like the Dutch warning Japanese people about the Perry Expedition. Right now you guys are already close to the era of Macartney Embassy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macartney_Embassy If you guys don't improve the dreaded fleet will eventually come especially if a brown West fails to protect our tourists from brown & black thugs or if a brown/black leadership is careless about WMD. Hell if a brown-dominated America becomes sufficiently reckless China, Japan, Russia, India and even Israel may intervene together on the same side to take the nukes away from the browns and blacks.

    As an NE Asian person I have observed the following facts:

    1. Production is much slower in the West compared to NE Asia.
    2. Education standards in America are lower than that of NE Asia.
    3. Infrastructure is the West is much older than that in NE Asia.
    4. Drug problems are severe in the West and almost absent in NE Asia.
    5. STD is rampant in the West and rare in NE Asia.
    6. The West is very unsafe while NE Asia is safe.
    7. Most Westerners are not even aware of 1-6 as if the first part of 1-6 is actually universal and hence not really problems.

    The West (if we restrict the term to Germanic countries and some Romance-speaking ones especially France) still has more innovation and better social & political systems compared to us. That's it.

  232. @EastKekistani
    Oops. That's just a typo. Please answer my question.

    Please answer my question.

    You are almost comically incoherent – I suspect I know what you are asking, but am not 100% sure. If you are serious about a topic and want to know what I think of it, why don’t you formulate a precise asking sentence that makes sense rather than make a series of Hitler-style declarations in Asian context?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    If you are serious about a topic and want to know what I think of it, why don’t you formulate a precise asking sentence that makes sense rather than make a series of Hitler-style declarations in Asian context?
     
    Sure.

    1. Are racially Southeast Asian countries poor?
    2. Are racially Southeast Asian countries unsafe?

    Bonus question: If the answers to 1 and 2 are true is it reasonable to consider NE Asians and Southeast Asians separate races?

  233. @Twinkie

    Please answer my question.
     
    You are almost comically incoherent - I suspect I know what you are asking, but am not 100% sure. If you are serious about a topic and want to know what I think of it, why don't you formulate a precise asking sentence that makes sense rather than make a series of Hitler-style declarations in Asian context?

    If you are serious about a topic and want to know what I think of it, why don’t you formulate a precise asking sentence that makes sense rather than make a series of Hitler-style declarations in Asian context?

    Sure.

    1. Are racially Southeast Asian countries poor?
    2. Are racially Southeast Asian countries unsafe?

    Bonus question: If the answers to 1 and 2 are true is it reasonable to consider NE Asians and Southeast Asians separate races?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    1. Are racially Southeast Asian countries poor?
     
    Poorer than some, richer than others.

    2. Are racially Southeast Asian countries unsafe?
     
    Safer than most parts of the world, less so than Northern Europe (and Canada/Australia/NZ) and East Asia.

    Bonus question: If the answers to 1 and 2 are true is it reasonable to consider NE Asians and Southeast Asians separate races?
     
    People have different definitions of races - race is a term that has both a genetic component and a social construct component.

    SE Asians are far more related to NE Asians than they are to South Asians, let alone Europeans and Africans. They can be reasonably terms to be of the same race if you are a "lumpist" and an equally reasonable/scientific case can be made that they are different if you are a "splittist."

    Your railing against SE Asians as an inferior race is similar to Hitler's Nordicist ranting about Slavs as sub-humans.
    , @Truth
    Twinkie, if I may;

    Keki, Son, you project as a silly post-teen junior-college student, who lives with his parents, and spends half his free time playing video games and the other half reading Wikipedia.

    Your "theories" are not original, nor clever, yet mark you as a spoiled kid with no significant life experience. You don't strike me as "stupid" per se, just not particularly interesting, to men with significant others, children, and property taxes. Your transparent attempts to curry favor, are exceeded on the "cringeworthy" scale, only by your almost bufoonish insecurity, and your personal cowardice... which you make no great effort to hide.

    All of this adds up to liken responding to your posts with teaching the proverbial pig to sing.

    How'd I do?
  234. @Feryl
    We never should have stopped using "oriental", since it clearly distinguishes the far East (e.g., epicanthal folds) from the Caucasian peoples of other parts of Asia+the Middle East. Hopefully we don't go down the road of calling Pakistanis "Asian", like they do in Britain. I think that American's are so hard-wired to think of Asians as epicanthal fold people that we'll never use the same term to refer to both non-European/non-African Caucasian people and epicanthal fold people.

    Of course, we in the US also don't really have a consistent term for the Caucasians of North Africa, the Middle East, and West Asia. Generically saying "Arab*" or "Middle-Easterner" to refer to someone who isn't white European, Sub-Saharan African, Hispanic, or a dot-Indian, seems to be common among prole whites; presumably upper class whites try to refer to the specific nationality, or they just don't use any term at all.

    *Some white Americans aren't really aware that a lot of ethnic groups who aren't Arab can be found in the MENA.

    East Asian and South Asian seem pretty straight forward.

  235. @Twinkie

    With Japanese we have a pretty good model of what happens with Northeast Asians. They come over, assimilate, mix heavily with Whites(in the case of Japanese there aren’t many full blooded Japanese left), and are both financially successful and politically weak. Meanwhile the source country develops, because Northeast Asians are smart, and the influx of immigrants slows down or stops.
     
    Indeed. That is what happened with Japanese immigrants and that is what is happening now with Korean immigrants. I believe the last Census report showed that - for the first time - those identifying as ethnically Korean declined in absolute number, likely from both reverse-migration and assimilation (the last time I looked at a survey that elliptically approached the question of identity, a large fraction of those with Asian ancestry identified as non-Asian - likely white, given the high incidences of mixed white ancestry).

    Now if we really tried hard we could find a way to let Chinese rule the country, but it would take effort. Right now I don’t see much effort in that direction. Affirmative action for example works against East Asians. Asians aren’t politically powerful.
     
    East Asians in America are averse to politics and ideology and tend to be "issue-voters." As with white voters, religious ID is also significantly salient (a large majority of Asian evangelicals, for example, vote Republican even now). They persistently have the lowest party identification among all the major ethno-racial groups (that said, among those who do have party ID attachments, they have swung decisively from heavily Republican to heavily Democrat over the past 30 or so years).

    However, I should caution you that Chinese and certainly Indian immigrants may have different assimilation trajectories compared to Japanese and Koreans. To wit:

    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    Chinese and Indian immigrants - despite economic and educational profiles that are very different from Hispanic immigrants (except Cubans) - have persistently showed assimilation levels that cluster with Hispanics rather than with other Asians.

    Indians, in particular, have shown a markedly low level of intermarriage (with whites), a considerably alien religious culture, anti-egalitarian ethos, and much higher propensity for engaging in politics and other visibly public roles, quite unlike Northeast Asians. Given those factors, I think they are far more likely to be the "new (Asian) Jews" in America than the latter (a while back, I described, only half in jest, the Japanese as Asian Englishmen, the Koreans as Asian (Ulster) Irish, and the Filipinos as Asian Italians).

    I think Chinese are still subject to the same population dynamics as Japanese and Koreans. As China continues to develop, the desire to immigrate will decrease, while the fertility of the Chinese decreases, and the Chinese who have been in the U.S. longer will become more likely to assimilate. Of course I don’t say we [I]couldn’t[/I] screw this up if we tried, particularly since there are a lot more Chinese out there.

    Indians are a completely different animal. They are naturally clannish in a way that is wildly underestimated, fertility in India is higher, development at a Northeast Asian level will not occur, and worst of all, the actual Indian government has numerous policies to aid their people in getting work visas to the U.S. As you also point out, Indians are also much more politically active, and aside from some Indian Christians(who are a tiny minority of total Indians) are one party loyalists. Another factor to keep in mind is that Indians are more regarded as oppressed minorities by the mainstream than East Asians are. Large scale Indian immigration is a more serious threat.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Indian Christians
     
    Very good people. Some immigrants I wouldn't mind bringing into the USA/Canada at all if there was a sane, limited immigration policy.

    They are naturally clannish in a way that is wildly underestimated
     
    Yes, they are probably the most clannish people in the world. Even more than the Jews. Once they sink their teeth into something, it's total control. You see one brown guy working at some place, then next thing you know the entire workplace is full of Indians. Extremely dangerous, yet millions of these people are pouring in while our idiotic and naive white leaders smile at the poor brown minorities.

    They also have a very odd thought pattern in their heads. I don't really know how to explain it. The best way to put it is that their mind is a whirlpool. Things go in, swirl around, they make multiple statements from different points of view. Then something of maybe 65% quality eventually takes shape. Maybe you or others have studied this more and can explain it better. I find the Indians (Sikhs especially but also Hindoos) to be the most foreign and bizarre people in terms of their thoughts.

    I get where negroes are coming from. I understand European Christian brains. I see how Arabs operate. Chinese I can understand.

    But the Indians have an extremely odd brain. Extremely odd and bizarre. They seem to be the farthest away from the rational, problem -> solution -> implementation minds of Europeans. Bringing in these brown Indians is a disaster of epic proportions.
  236. @216
    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.

    Don’t hold your breath.

  237. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yup we will be wiped off the face of the earth unless we wake up.

    Right now I think that most white people don't even really care.

    Yup we will be wiped off the face of the earth unless we wake up.

    Yep. You guys have never mistreated me hence I repay your kindness with a sincere warning just like the Dutch warning Japanese people about the Perry Expedition. Right now you guys are already close to the era of Macartney Embassy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macartney_Embassy If you guys don’t improve the dreaded fleet will eventually come especially if a brown West fails to protect our tourists from brown & black thugs or if a brown/black leadership is careless about WMD. Hell if a brown-dominated America becomes sufficiently reckless China, Japan, Russia, India and even Israel may intervene together on the same side to take the nukes away from the browns and blacks.

    As an NE Asian person I have observed the following facts:

    1. Production is much slower in the West compared to NE Asia.
    2. Education standards in America are lower than that of NE Asia.
    3. Infrastructure is the West is much older than that in NE Asia.
    4. Drug problems are severe in the West and almost absent in NE Asia.
    5. STD is rampant in the West and rare in NE Asia.
    6. The West is very unsafe while NE Asia is safe.
    7. Most Westerners are not even aware of 1-6 as if the first part of 1-6 is actually universal and hence not really problems.

    The West (if we restrict the term to Germanic countries and some Romance-speaking ones especially France) still has more innovation and better social & political systems compared to us. That’s it.

  238. @EldnahYm
    I think Chinese are still subject to the same population dynamics as Japanese and Koreans. As China continues to develop, the desire to immigrate will decrease, while the fertility of the Chinese decreases, and the Chinese who have been in the U.S. longer will become more likely to assimilate. Of course I don't say we [I]couldn't[/I] screw this up if we tried, particularly since there are a lot more Chinese out there.

    Indians are a completely different animal. They are naturally clannish in a way that is wildly underestimated, fertility in India is higher, development at a Northeast Asian level will not occur, and worst of all, the actual Indian government has numerous policies to aid their people in getting work visas to the U.S. As you also point out, Indians are also much more politically active, and aside from some Indian Christians(who are a tiny minority of total Indians) are one party loyalists. Another factor to keep in mind is that Indians are more regarded as oppressed minorities by the mainstream than East Asians are. Large scale Indian immigration is a more serious threat.

    Indian Christians

    Very good people. Some immigrants I wouldn’t mind bringing into the USA/Canada at all if there was a sane, limited immigration policy.

    They are naturally clannish in a way that is wildly underestimated

    Yes, they are probably the most clannish people in the world. Even more than the Jews. Once they sink their teeth into something, it’s total control. You see one brown guy working at some place, then next thing you know the entire workplace is full of Indians. Extremely dangerous, yet millions of these people are pouring in while our idiotic and naive white leaders smile at the poor brown minorities.

    They also have a very odd thought pattern in their heads. I don’t really know how to explain it. The best way to put it is that their mind is a whirlpool. Things go in, swirl around, they make multiple statements from different points of view. Then something of maybe 65% quality eventually takes shape. Maybe you or others have studied this more and can explain it better. I find the Indians (Sikhs especially but also Hindoos) to be the most foreign and bizarre people in terms of their thoughts.

    I get where negroes are coming from. I understand European Christian brains. I see how Arabs operate. Chinese I can understand.

    But the Indians have an extremely odd brain. Extremely odd and bizarre. They seem to be the farthest away from the rational, problem -> solution -> implementation minds of Europeans. Bringing in these brown Indians is a disaster of epic proportions.

  239. @EastKekistani

    If you are serious about a topic and want to know what I think of it, why don’t you formulate a precise asking sentence that makes sense rather than make a series of Hitler-style declarations in Asian context?
     
    Sure.

    1. Are racially Southeast Asian countries poor?
    2. Are racially Southeast Asian countries unsafe?

    Bonus question: If the answers to 1 and 2 are true is it reasonable to consider NE Asians and Southeast Asians separate races?

    1. Are racially Southeast Asian countries poor?

    Poorer than some, richer than others.

    2. Are racially Southeast Asian countries unsafe?

    Safer than most parts of the world, less so than Northern Europe (and Canada/Australia/NZ) and East Asia.

    Bonus question: If the answers to 1 and 2 are true is it reasonable to consider NE Asians and Southeast Asians separate races?

    People have different definitions of races – race is a term that has both a genetic component and a social construct component.

    SE Asians are far more related to NE Asians than they are to South Asians, let alone Europeans and Africans. They can be reasonably terms to be of the same race if you are a “lumpist” and an equally reasonable/scientific case can be made that they are different if you are a “splittist.”

    Your railing against SE Asians as an inferior race is similar to Hitler’s Nordicist ranting about Slavs as sub-humans.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Poorer than some, richer than others.
     
    Of course.

    Safer than most parts of the world,
     
    Uh..really?

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-asia.html

    Manila, Kuala Lumpur, Yangon, Ho Chi Minh City..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


    less so than Northern Europe (and Canada/Australia/NZ) and East Asia.
     
    Yes.

    SE Asians are far more related to NE Asians than they are to South Asians, let alone Europeans and Africans. They can be reasonably terms to be of the same race if you are a “lumpist” and an equally reasonable/scientific case can be made that they are different if you are a “splittist.”
     
    Right. Well, since it is legitimate to define the word "whites" to exclude Middle Easterners I think it is legitimate to define East Asians or "yellows" to exclude brown Mongoloids of both the New World and the Old World kinds. If you really want to ask me why..well, do they look yellow? Nope. Do they behave like yellow people? Nope. So why can they be considered yellow?

    Fun fact:


    he (Lon Nol) also encouraged them to refer to him as their "Black Papa", a name referring to the dark skin considered to be the sign of an "authentic" Khmer.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Nol

    See? Even SEAs sometimes consider themselves to be brown and black.

    In the west there are Europeans-MENA folks-Negroids. In the east there are NE Asians-SEAs-Australoids. It is fairly consistent.


    Your railing against SE Asians as an inferior race is similar to Hitler’s Nordicist ranting about Slavs as sub-humans.
     
    Yes. However Hitler's attack on Slavs was mistaken as Slavs indeed performed and still perform fairly well. SEAs on the other hand..I can give you the racially mixed Vietnamese (analogous to Turks). What about the rest?
    , @EastKekistani
    There are a lot of differences between MENA people and SEAs. MENA people historically actually contributed a lot to civilization and despite being in a Dark Age descendants of older MENA immigrants in Latin America actually do very well on average. Europeans actually often misunderstand and underestimate MENA people.

    SEAs on the other hand.. OK to give them some credit they at least farmed rice in Yangtze Valley before our ancestors kicked them out of China. They also settler colonized a lot of islands from Madagascar to Hawaii. What else? Almost everything they have is a mixture of Indian, Chinese, white and Muslim cultures. You can just look at the loanwords in Malay and Tagalog. Their food and architecture also display these traits. It would have been great if they got the best from all four civilizations above. Well they didn't.

  240. @EastKekistani

    Do you also unironically believe in Kekistan? (protip google /sarc tag)
     
    Well I unironically support it. I invented the NE Asian variant of Kekistan, namely East Kekistan.

    The main East Kekistani racial concerns are:

    1. Negroids & SEAs & Pacific Islanders and their harm to NE Asian people through racial violence all over the world, economic harm (e.g. NE Asian debt that they never repay), cultural corruption (e.g. rap), miscegenation and tropical diseases.

    2. Despots for they oppress NE Asian people, rob us and use the money they rob to aid Negroids & SEAs & Pacific Islanders. Even North Korea aids Negroids despite being so poor. In Mandarin we call it "取之于韭、用之于匪、赠之于非。" That is, wealth is robbed from the Chinese people, used by commies and given to Africa as aid. (Those who believe I'm Indian or something should read this lol. That's not a literal translation and requires familiarity with internet slang of modern mainland China to understand. Google Translate isn't going to give you the answer.)

    So they are fairly similar to Kekistani concerns. I don't discuss mestizos that much for they are not directly relevant to the NE Asian racial homeland. On the other hand I discuss SEAs a lot because they are even more relevant to us compared to Africans.

    East Kekistan will never successfully secede from Kekistan, and if it does it will be Kekladesh. I do not support secession movements. But you can still make Aaliyah and I will support that.

  241. @Twinkie

    Jesus, are you trying to get UR’s hosting pulled?!
     
    I stopped addressing his comments, because he struck me as a juvenile Hitler fanboy with all that Lebensraum talk. And he keeps (annoyingly) projecting his own insecurities to Asians as a whole.

    Lebensraum for East Asians? Really? As you pointed out, some are already contracting in population both here in the U.S. and in East Asia due to very low fertility (and assimilation in the U.S.).

    I can't tell if he's just trolling or really believes all that.

    Does this mean there’s not a Unification of Asian Unzistas (UAU) To look forward to in the future?

  242. @Twinkie

    1. Are racially Southeast Asian countries poor?
     
    Poorer than some, richer than others.

    2. Are racially Southeast Asian countries unsafe?
     
    Safer than most parts of the world, less so than Northern Europe (and Canada/Australia/NZ) and East Asia.

    Bonus question: If the answers to 1 and 2 are true is it reasonable to consider NE Asians and Southeast Asians separate races?
     
    People have different definitions of races - race is a term that has both a genetic component and a social construct component.

    SE Asians are far more related to NE Asians than they are to South Asians, let alone Europeans and Africans. They can be reasonably terms to be of the same race if you are a "lumpist" and an equally reasonable/scientific case can be made that they are different if you are a "splittist."

    Your railing against SE Asians as an inferior race is similar to Hitler's Nordicist ranting about Slavs as sub-humans.

    Poorer than some, richer than others.

    Of course.

    Safer than most parts of the world,

    Uh..really?

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-asia.html

    Manila, Kuala Lumpur, Yangon, Ho Chi Minh City..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    less so than Northern Europe (and Canada/Australia/NZ) and East Asia.

    Yes.

    SE Asians are far more related to NE Asians than they are to South Asians, let alone Europeans and Africans. They can be reasonably terms to be of the same race if you are a “lumpist” and an equally reasonable/scientific case can be made that they are different if you are a “splittist.”

    Right. Well, since it is legitimate to define the word “whites” to exclude Middle Easterners I think it is legitimate to define East Asians or “yellows” to exclude brown Mongoloids of both the New World and the Old World kinds. If you really want to ask me why..well, do they look yellow? Nope. Do they behave like yellow people? Nope. So why can they be considered yellow?

    Fun fact:

    he (Lon Nol) also encouraged them to refer to him as their “Black Papa”, a name referring to the dark skin considered to be the sign of an “authentic” Khmer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Nol

    See? Even SEAs sometimes consider themselves to be brown and black.

    In the west there are Europeans-MENA folks-Negroids. In the east there are NE Asians-SEAs-Australoids. It is fairly consistent.

    Your railing against SE Asians as an inferior race is similar to Hitler’s Nordicist ranting about Slavs as sub-humans.

    Yes. However Hitler’s attack on Slavs was mistaken as Slavs indeed performed and still perform fairly well. SEAs on the other hand..I can give you the racially mixed Vietnamese (analogous to Turks). What about the rest?

  243. @Twinkie

    1. Are racially Southeast Asian countries poor?
     
    Poorer than some, richer than others.

    2. Are racially Southeast Asian countries unsafe?
     
    Safer than most parts of the world, less so than Northern Europe (and Canada/Australia/NZ) and East Asia.

    Bonus question: If the answers to 1 and 2 are true is it reasonable to consider NE Asians and Southeast Asians separate races?
     
    People have different definitions of races - race is a term that has both a genetic component and a social construct component.

    SE Asians are far more related to NE Asians than they are to South Asians, let alone Europeans and Africans. They can be reasonably terms to be of the same race if you are a "lumpist" and an equally reasonable/scientific case can be made that they are different if you are a "splittist."

    Your railing against SE Asians as an inferior race is similar to Hitler's Nordicist ranting about Slavs as sub-humans.

    There are a lot of differences between MENA people and SEAs. MENA people historically actually contributed a lot to civilization and despite being in a Dark Age descendants of older MENA immigrants in Latin America actually do very well on average. Europeans actually often misunderstand and underestimate MENA people.

    SEAs on the other hand.. OK to give them some credit they at least farmed rice in Yangtze Valley before our ancestors kicked them out of China. They also settler colonized a lot of islands from Madagascar to Hawaii. What else? Almost everything they have is a mixture of Indian, Chinese, white and Muslim cultures. You can just look at the loanwords in Malay and Tagalog. Their food and architecture also display these traits. It would have been great if they got the best from all four civilizations above. Well they didn’t.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    Should the various races (and sub races) of the world start an all out war until only one is left standing? Or should they all instead each mind their own damn business, stay within their own damn borders, and leave the rest of the world alone (except for mutually agreed to and beneficial trade and exchange of ideas, technology, etc.).

    Again, the right-wing Whites are well ahead of you. They've already moved onto White separatism/White nationalism and even mutual respect (if it's reciprocated) of other peoples. I sincerely hope "Fancy" Asians learn from the mistakes of Whites: don't start wars, defend your borders, live long and prosper.

    Anyways, I thought the people the Chinese really hated were the Japanese:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omfO6ooInP4
  244. Truth says:
    @EastKekistani

    If you are serious about a topic and want to know what I think of it, why don’t you formulate a precise asking sentence that makes sense rather than make a series of Hitler-style declarations in Asian context?
     
    Sure.

    1. Are racially Southeast Asian countries poor?
    2. Are racially Southeast Asian countries unsafe?

    Bonus question: If the answers to 1 and 2 are true is it reasonable to consider NE Asians and Southeast Asians separate races?

    Twinkie, if I may;

    Keki, Son, you project as a silly post-teen junior-college student, who lives with his parents, and spends half his free time playing video games and the other half reading Wikipedia.

    Your “theories” are not original, nor clever, yet mark you as a spoiled kid with no significant life experience. You don’t strike me as “stupid” per se, just not particularly interesting, to men with significant others, children, and property taxes. Your transparent attempts to curry favor, are exceeded on the “cringeworthy” scale, only by your almost bufoonish insecurity, and your personal cowardice… which you make no great effort to hide.

    All of this adds up to liken responding to your posts with teaching the proverbial pig to sing.

    How’d I do?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I must give credit where it is due. That is both a very good excoriation of him and a suitably subtle satire of me. Well done.
    , @iffen
    Your “theories” are not original, nor clever

    Damn, Truth, you are setting the bar quite high. If original thought and ideas are required, you are going to wipe out the entire commentariat for some writers here at the Unz. I ask you to reconsider, and not just for myself. As you know, or should know, I am one of few here at Unz that believes that we should make room for everyone. If you start chopping off those of us on the left side of the curve you lose a lot of diversity. And diversity is a good thing, right?

    , @EastKekistani
    You are a Negroid.

    A lot of my views are novel which is precisely why people such as DBCooper are so confused about me. Well, that's the end of my response.

  245. Anon[192],

    “Kekistan” don’t exist in the real world, it’s just a Internet creation. Basically means “shitposter”.

    DB Cooper probably guess right, the “EastKekistani” is an Indian.

  246. @Truth
    Twinkie, if I may;

    Keki, Son, you project as a silly post-teen junior-college student, who lives with his parents, and spends half his free time playing video games and the other half reading Wikipedia.

    Your "theories" are not original, nor clever, yet mark you as a spoiled kid with no significant life experience. You don't strike me as "stupid" per se, just not particularly interesting, to men with significant others, children, and property taxes. Your transparent attempts to curry favor, are exceeded on the "cringeworthy" scale, only by your almost bufoonish insecurity, and your personal cowardice... which you make no great effort to hide.

    All of this adds up to liken responding to your posts with teaching the proverbial pig to sing.

    How'd I do?

    I must give credit where it is due. That is both a very good excoriation of him and a suitably subtle satire of me. Well done.

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Truth
    Thanks, you're aware of the sincerest form of flattery..
  247. @Twinkie
    I must give credit where it is due. That is both a very good excoriation of him and a suitably subtle satire of me. Well done.

    Thanks, you’re aware of the sincerest form of flattery..

  248. @Audacious Epigone
    The University of Empiricism, School of Noticing, IIRC.

    One thing about “right wingers” that I have learned in a decade, plus on this site: Credentials are important, until they aren’t.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Credentials are important, until they aren’t.

    Interesting. I know from personal knowledge that American blacks invest a lot of concern in the credentials question.

  249. 3202927

    “They sit around in parks. They stare at people. They beg for money. They are pitiable excuses for “men”.”

    Would that also include our resident homeless population, sans their color? Would white men begging on the street in downtown LA also be a “pitiful man”?

    “You are correct that whites are more creative and have better ideas.”

    That’s really just an opinion.

    “Also – the Enlightenment has some good ideas, but look where it’s gotten us now.”

    What do you mean? Please elaborate.

    “I do appreciate the fair warning that you will be bombing us to the point of genocide.”

    Whites aren’t being genocided.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Whites aren’t being genocided.
     
    Remember, dissidents, when anti-whites are defending, they're losing.
  250. iffen says:
    @Truth
    Twinkie, if I may;

    Keki, Son, you project as a silly post-teen junior-college student, who lives with his parents, and spends half his free time playing video games and the other half reading Wikipedia.

    Your "theories" are not original, nor clever, yet mark you as a spoiled kid with no significant life experience. You don't strike me as "stupid" per se, just not particularly interesting, to men with significant others, children, and property taxes. Your transparent attempts to curry favor, are exceeded on the "cringeworthy" scale, only by your almost bufoonish insecurity, and your personal cowardice... which you make no great effort to hide.

    All of this adds up to liken responding to your posts with teaching the proverbial pig to sing.

    How'd I do?

    Your “theories” are not original, nor clever

    Damn, Truth, you are setting the bar quite high. If original thought and ideas are required, you are going to wipe out the entire commentariat for some writers here at the Unz. I ask you to reconsider, and not just for myself. As you know, or should know, I am one of few here at Unz that believes that we should make room for everyone. If you start chopping off those of us on the left side of the curve you lose a lot of diversity. And diversity is a good thing, right?

    • Replies: @Truth
    I have no quarrel with this young man posting, as I sure you would have discerned, the majority of my own canon here is for my own entertainment, although, I would humbly say, that the %10 or so that I take seriously ranks favorably with that of anyone here.

    I only request that if a man (or boy, as the case may be) is going to spend an inordinate amount of time disparaging the intellect of such a high percentage of the world population, that he actually prove that he has a high intellect himself. Is this out of line?

    I have given a series of Socratic responses to his posts, meant to elicit worthwhile and intellectual response; and this point I would say that he is merely waded deeper and deeper into a quagmire of mediocrity. For instance:

    Keki: Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.

    Truth: Oh, were you alive before the European and Middle Eastern influence on Africa, or has your reading ability in Early Kushite allowed you to peruse selections from the Nubian libraries?


    The logic here, black people (allegedly according to the usual suspects) had no written language before "colonization", therefore, how does Keki know what they did before European and Arabic influence?

    Does he have some secret way of knowing what Africa was like before written language? If so I would be quite interested in knowing what it is, and one would imagine, so would countless cultural anthropologists. Now he did not start his post with "in my opinion" or, "it is probably the case that..."; no, he made the blanket statement as though he were an authority on the subject. So I treated the post with all due respect and asked him to list his credentials.

    Let's continue:

    Keki: Early Nubians weren’t Negroid lmao.

    Another simple statement of fact. Now I am not saying that it is not true, but it does contradict EVERYTHING I have ever read on the subject, encompassing history, modern-day geography, sociology and genetic studies. So If Keki knows more about this subject, than he should, in all good graces, reveal his sources.

    As it appears that he has none, my response:

    Truth: Oh, then I guess you were there

    If he has no source to prove what he presented as a fact (sealed with an "lma0" meaning, "everyone knows this except you, you idiot {my personal inference}), I could come up with only one other logical explanation: Mr. Kekistani is several hundred years old...at least... and watched a group of Europeans write the tens of thousands of volumes in the Nubian libraries, as "the original Nubians were not black."

    You see my friend, there is always a method to my madness.
  251. @Truth
    Twinkie, if I may;

    Keki, Son, you project as a silly post-teen junior-college student, who lives with his parents, and spends half his free time playing video games and the other half reading Wikipedia.

    Your "theories" are not original, nor clever, yet mark you as a spoiled kid with no significant life experience. You don't strike me as "stupid" per se, just not particularly interesting, to men with significant others, children, and property taxes. Your transparent attempts to curry favor, are exceeded on the "cringeworthy" scale, only by your almost bufoonish insecurity, and your personal cowardice... which you make no great effort to hide.

    All of this adds up to liken responding to your posts with teaching the proverbial pig to sing.

    How'd I do?

    You are a Negroid.

    A lot of my views are novel which is precisely why people such as DBCooper are so confused about me. Well, that’s the end of my response.

    • Replies: @Truth

    Well, that’s the end of my response.
     
    And, I might add, your most intellectual to this day.


    Just messin' with you son. Back when I was 19 or 20 I thought that I was much more interesting and intelligent than I truly was as well.

    A little advice, get out of the habit of liking to hear yourself talk, read your own material, and spend a few years outside, actually talk to few people instead of reading about them. You may yet be a true philosopher some day.
    , @DB Cooper
    Yeah, deny all you want. I am not confused. You are a subcon.
  252. @Corvinus
    "They sit around in parks. They stare at people. They beg for money. They are pitiable excuses for “men”."

    Would that also include our resident homeless population, sans their color? Would white men begging on the street in downtown LA also be a "pitiful man"?

    "You are correct that whites are more creative and have better ideas."

    That's really just an opinion.

    "Also – the Enlightenment has some good ideas, but look where it’s gotten us now."

    What do you mean? Please elaborate.

    "I do appreciate the fair warning that you will be bombing us to the point of genocide."

    Whites aren't being genocided.

    Whites aren’t being genocided.

    Remember, dissidents, when anti-whites are defending, they’re losing.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Remember, dissidents, when anti-whites are defending, they’re losing.

    Huh?
  253. @Truth
    One thing about "right wingers" that I have learned in a decade, plus on this site: Credentials are important, until they aren't.

    Credentials are important, until they aren’t.

    Interesting. I know from personal knowledge that American blacks invest a lot of concern in the credentials question.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Yes "we" do; but there is a certain consistency to us; credentials are important in matters of intellect.

    Brainwashing, yes; but consistency nonetheless. Here, that's not the case.
  254. @Rosie

    Whites aren’t being genocided.
     
    Remember, dissidents, when anti-whites are defending, they're losing.

    Remember, dissidents, when anti-whites are defending, they’re losing.

    Huh?

  255. Truth says:
    @EastKekistani
    You are a Negroid.

    A lot of my views are novel which is precisely why people such as DBCooper are so confused about me. Well, that's the end of my response.

    Well, that’s the end of my response.

    And, I might add, your most intellectual to this day.

    Just messin’ with you son. Back when I was 19 or 20 I thought that I was much more interesting and intelligent than I truly was as well.

    A little advice, get out of the habit of liking to hear yourself talk, read your own material, and spend a few years outside, actually talk to few people instead of reading about them. You may yet be a true philosopher some day.

  256. Truth says:
    @iffen
    Your “theories” are not original, nor clever

    Damn, Truth, you are setting the bar quite high. If original thought and ideas are required, you are going to wipe out the entire commentariat for some writers here at the Unz. I ask you to reconsider, and not just for myself. As you know, or should know, I am one of few here at Unz that believes that we should make room for everyone. If you start chopping off those of us on the left side of the curve you lose a lot of diversity. And diversity is a good thing, right?

    I have no quarrel with this young man posting, as I sure you would have discerned, the majority of my own canon here is for my own entertainment, although, I would humbly say, that the %10 or so that I take seriously ranks favorably with that of anyone here.

    I only request that if a man (or boy, as the case may be) is going to spend an inordinate amount of time disparaging the intellect of such a high percentage of the world population, that he actually prove that he has a high intellect himself. Is this out of line?

    I have given a series of Socratic responses to his posts, meant to elicit worthwhile and intellectual response; and this point I would say that he is merely waded deeper and deeper into a quagmire of mediocrity. For instance:

    Keki: Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.

    Truth: Oh, were you alive before the European and Middle Eastern influence on Africa, or has your reading ability in Early Kushite allowed you to peruse selections from the Nubian libraries?

    The logic here, black people (allegedly according to the usual suspects) had no written language before “colonization”, therefore, how does Keki know what they did before European and Arabic influence?

    Does he have some secret way of knowing what Africa was like before written language? If so I would be quite interested in knowing what it is, and one would imagine, so would countless cultural anthropologists. Now he did not start his post with “in my opinion” or, “it is probably the case that…”; no, he made the blanket statement as though he were an authority on the subject. So I treated the post with all due respect and asked him to list his credentials.

    Let’s continue:

    Keki: Early Nubians weren’t Negroid lmao.

    Another simple statement of fact. Now I am not saying that it is not true, but it does contradict EVERYTHING I have ever read on the subject, encompassing history, modern-day geography, sociology and genetic studies. So If Keki knows more about this subject, than he should, in all good graces, reveal his sources.

    As it appears that he has none, my response:

    Truth: Oh, then I guess you were there

    If he has no source to prove what he presented as a fact (sealed with an “lma0” meaning, “everyone knows this except you, you idiot {my personal inference}), I could come up with only one other logical explanation: Mr. Kekistani is several hundred years old…at least… and watched a group of Europeans write the tens of thousands of volumes in the Nubian libraries, as “the original Nubians were not black.”

    You see my friend, there is always a method to my madness.

    • Replies: @iffen
    that he actually prove that he has a high intellect himself. Is this out of line?

    Not germane as I see it. He claims membership in the E. Asian group that as a group scores well on intelligence measures.

    I have given a series of Socratic responses to his posts, Isn’t there a word for people who name drop themselves into a world of the ancient philosophers?

    Keki: Early Nubians weren’t Negroid lmao.

    Acquiring the full picture of “the Nubians” is in my queue.

    You see my friend, there is always a method to my madness.

    Exactly to what degree are you smitten with this Afro-centrism?
    , @iffen
    I am also a big fan of the Socratic method, but it only works if both parties are intellectually honest to the method. You want to apply it for your use, but do not respond in kind. You did not address my questions; instead you threw out spurious and nonsensical statements like this:

    Southern Nigerians are a group that scores well on intelligence measures; does that mean that you consider everyone from Southern Nigeria smart?

    In what way am I “smitten with this Afro-centrism?” I did not give any indication of my feelings on the ancient Nubians, Keki did.

    and watched a group of Europeans write the tens of thousands of volumes in the Nubian libraries, as “the original Nubians were not black.”
     
    Your implication that we can only have knowledge through direct observation is too far wrong to address.

    I consider myself to be a somewhat fair arbitrator here, and I think that you have failed in your attempt to take Keki down. That is not the same thing as not acknowledging that I am bored with his gross generalizations, tired rhetoric and petty race chauvinism.
  257. @iffen
    Credentials are important, until they aren’t.

    Interesting. I know from personal knowledge that American blacks invest a lot of concern in the credentials question.

    Yes “we” do; but there is a certain consistency to us; credentials are important in matters of intellect.

    Brainwashing, yes; but consistency nonetheless. Here, that’s not the case.

    • Replies: @iffen
    there is a certain consistency to us; credentials are important in matters of intellect.

    Are you making a blanket claim that "you people" are more consistent than others?
  258. O/Y

    students who walked out of a gun-control rally in anger and tears over concerns the event inappropriately politicized their grief.

    Shoot the fat lady!

  259. @Truth
    Yes "we" do; but there is a certain consistency to us; credentials are important in matters of intellect.

    Brainwashing, yes; but consistency nonetheless. Here, that's not the case.

    there is a certain consistency to us; credentials are important in matters of intellect.

    Are you making a blanket claim that “you people” are more consistent than others?

    • Replies: @Truth
    No, more brainwashed as to the significance of college degrees, but also much less likely to move the goal posts to suit the kicker in this regard.
  260. iffen says:
    @Truth
    I have no quarrel with this young man posting, as I sure you would have discerned, the majority of my own canon here is for my own entertainment, although, I would humbly say, that the %10 or so that I take seriously ranks favorably with that of anyone here.

    I only request that if a man (or boy, as the case may be) is going to spend an inordinate amount of time disparaging the intellect of such a high percentage of the world population, that he actually prove that he has a high intellect himself. Is this out of line?

    I have given a series of Socratic responses to his posts, meant to elicit worthwhile and intellectual response; and this point I would say that he is merely waded deeper and deeper into a quagmire of mediocrity. For instance:

    Keki: Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.

    Truth: Oh, were you alive before the European and Middle Eastern influence on Africa, or has your reading ability in Early Kushite allowed you to peruse selections from the Nubian libraries?


    The logic here, black people (allegedly according to the usual suspects) had no written language before "colonization", therefore, how does Keki know what they did before European and Arabic influence?

    Does he have some secret way of knowing what Africa was like before written language? If so I would be quite interested in knowing what it is, and one would imagine, so would countless cultural anthropologists. Now he did not start his post with "in my opinion" or, "it is probably the case that..."; no, he made the blanket statement as though he were an authority on the subject. So I treated the post with all due respect and asked him to list his credentials.

    Let's continue:

    Keki: Early Nubians weren’t Negroid lmao.

    Another simple statement of fact. Now I am not saying that it is not true, but it does contradict EVERYTHING I have ever read on the subject, encompassing history, modern-day geography, sociology and genetic studies. So If Keki knows more about this subject, than he should, in all good graces, reveal his sources.

    As it appears that he has none, my response:

    Truth: Oh, then I guess you were there

    If he has no source to prove what he presented as a fact (sealed with an "lma0" meaning, "everyone knows this except you, you idiot {my personal inference}), I could come up with only one other logical explanation: Mr. Kekistani is several hundred years old...at least... and watched a group of Europeans write the tens of thousands of volumes in the Nubian libraries, as "the original Nubians were not black."

    You see my friend, there is always a method to my madness.

    that he actually prove that he has a high intellect himself. Is this out of line?

    Not germane as I see it. He claims membership in the E. Asian group that as a group scores well on intelligence measures.

    I have given a series of Socratic responses to his posts, Isn’t there a word for people who name drop themselves into a world of the ancient philosophers?

    Keki: Early Nubians weren’t Negroid lmao.

    Acquiring the full picture of “the Nubians” is in my queue.

    You see my friend, there is always a method to my madness.

    Exactly to what degree are you smitten with this Afro-centrism?

    • Replies: @Truth

    Not germane as I see it. He claims membership in the E. Asian group that as a group scores well on intelligence measures.
     
    Southern Nigerians are a group that scores well on intelligence measures; does that mean that you consider everyone from Southern Nigeria smart?

    I have given a series of Socratic responses to his posts, Isn’t there a word for people who name drop themselves into a world of the ancient philosophers?
     
    Yes, "teacher."

    http://www.readwritethink.org/professional-development/strategy-guides/socratic-seminars-30600.html

    https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/teaching-strategies/socratic-seminar

    Exactly to what degree are you smitten with this Afro-centrism?

    In what way am I "smitten with this Afro-centrism?" I did not give any indication of my feelings on the ancient Nubians, Keki did.
  261. Truth says:
    @iffen
    that he actually prove that he has a high intellect himself. Is this out of line?

    Not germane as I see it. He claims membership in the E. Asian group that as a group scores well on intelligence measures.

    I have given a series of Socratic responses to his posts, Isn’t there a word for people who name drop themselves into a world of the ancient philosophers?

    Keki: Early Nubians weren’t Negroid lmao.

    Acquiring the full picture of “the Nubians” is in my queue.

    You see my friend, there is always a method to my madness.

    Exactly to what degree are you smitten with this Afro-centrism?

    Not germane as I see it. He claims membership in the E. Asian group that as a group scores well on intelligence measures.

    Southern Nigerians are a group that scores well on intelligence measures; does that mean that you consider everyone from Southern Nigeria smart?

    I have given a series of Socratic responses to his posts, Isn’t there a word for people who name drop themselves into a world of the ancient philosophers?

    Yes, “teacher.”

    http://www.readwritethink.org/professional-development/strategy-guides/socratic-seminars-30600.html

    https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/teaching-strategies/socratic-seminar

    Exactly to what degree are you smitten with this Afro-centrism?

    In what way am I “smitten with this Afro-centrism?” I did not give any indication of my feelings on the ancient Nubians, Keki did.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Okay
  262. @iffen
    there is a certain consistency to us; credentials are important in matters of intellect.

    Are you making a blanket claim that "you people" are more consistent than others?

    No, more brainwashed as to the significance of college degrees, but also much less likely to move the goal posts to suit the kicker in this regard.

  263. @Feryl
    We never should have stopped using "oriental", since it clearly distinguishes the far East (e.g., epicanthal folds) from the Caucasian peoples of other parts of Asia+the Middle East. Hopefully we don't go down the road of calling Pakistanis "Asian", like they do in Britain. I think that American's are so hard-wired to think of Asians as epicanthal fold people that we'll never use the same term to refer to both non-European/non-African Caucasian people and epicanthal fold people.

    Of course, we in the US also don't really have a consistent term for the Caucasians of North Africa, the Middle East, and West Asia. Generically saying "Arab*" or "Middle-Easterner" to refer to someone who isn't white European, Sub-Saharan African, Hispanic, or a dot-Indian, seems to be common among prole whites; presumably upper class whites try to refer to the specific nationality, or they just don't use any term at all.

    *Some white Americans aren't really aware that a lot of ethnic groups who aren't Arab can be found in the MENA.

    To keep it relatively simple, Asian could be broken down into three broad categories–“east Asian”, “central Asian”, and “south Asian”. I assume the term Oriental is some sort of microaggression at this point. I know I get pissed when someone refers to me as an Occidental, so I get it!

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    I don't mind the term "Oriental". We NE Asian folks need thicker skin as we get richer. Getting really bothered by names is a very African trait.
  264. @Truth

    Not germane as I see it. He claims membership in the E. Asian group that as a group scores well on intelligence measures.
     
    Southern Nigerians are a group that scores well on intelligence measures; does that mean that you consider everyone from Southern Nigeria smart?

    I have given a series of Socratic responses to his posts, Isn’t there a word for people who name drop themselves into a world of the ancient philosophers?
     
    Yes, "teacher."

    http://www.readwritethink.org/professional-development/strategy-guides/socratic-seminars-30600.html

    https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/teaching-strategies/socratic-seminar

    Exactly to what degree are you smitten with this Afro-centrism?

    In what way am I "smitten with this Afro-centrism?" I did not give any indication of my feelings on the ancient Nubians, Keki did.

    Okay

  265. @EastKekistani

    Do you also unironically believe in Kekistan? (protip google /sarc tag)
     
    Well I unironically support it. I invented the NE Asian variant of Kekistan, namely East Kekistan.

    The main East Kekistani racial concerns are:

    1. Negroids & SEAs & Pacific Islanders and their harm to NE Asian people through racial violence all over the world, economic harm (e.g. NE Asian debt that they never repay), cultural corruption (e.g. rap), miscegenation and tropical diseases.

    2. Despots for they oppress NE Asian people, rob us and use the money they rob to aid Negroids & SEAs & Pacific Islanders. Even North Korea aids Negroids despite being so poor. In Mandarin we call it "取之于韭、用之于匪、赠之于非。" That is, wealth is robbed from the Chinese people, used by commies and given to Africa as aid. (Those who believe I'm Indian or something should read this lol. That's not a literal translation and requires familiarity with internet slang of modern mainland China to understand. Google Translate isn't going to give you the answer.)

    So they are fairly similar to Kekistani concerns. I don't discuss mestizos that much for they are not directly relevant to the NE Asian racial homeland. On the other hand I discuss SEAs a lot because they are even more relevant to us compared to Africans.

    What percentage of mainland Chinese would be on board with you’re using “us” in this context? How do other Han feel wrt your sentiments?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Most don't identify with a pan-NE Asian identity because many Chinese folks hate Japan and even often Korea.

    However many people support my specific claims. People are not happy with Xi's coddling of poor Third World countries. Some people simply call SEAs "monkeys" partly due to the Spratly Islands dispute and partly due to poor SEA treatment of Chinese people. Whoever aware of what SEAs did to the Chinese diaspora tends to be angry at SEAs. They just don't tend to frame it in a whites vs blacks like terms.

    What I did was really reframing everything in HBD terms and making it globally relevant. To me the NE Asian merchant persecuted by SEAs, mestizos, Africans or Pacific Islanders is just another version of the white guys massacred in Haiti and Arabs massacred in Zanzibar. There is no significant difference between Indonesian massacres of ethnic Chinese and Ugandan massacre of Indians. It's all about barbarism harming civilized people and reverting civilization.

  266. @Twinkie

    Jesus, are you trying to get UR’s hosting pulled?!
     
    I stopped addressing his comments, because he struck me as a juvenile Hitler fanboy with all that Lebensraum talk. And he keeps (annoyingly) projecting his own insecurities to Asians as a whole.

    Lebensraum for East Asians? Really? As you pointed out, some are already contracting in population both here in the U.S. and in East Asia due to very low fertility (and assimilation in the U.S.).

    I can't tell if he's just trolling or really believes all that.

    You were missed during your brief hiatus, btw!

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Thank you for the very kind words.
  267. @EastKekistani

    Some people on Unz still haven’t noticed it, and discuss Asia like it’s still 1948.
     
    I don't in fact mind people who behave like that. Yes, China still has many Second World problems such as pollution and lack of animal rights. Second World problems are what nations have when they transition from Third World to First World. They will go away once we become First World. Thames River used to be dirty. Ruhr used to be dirty. The Seto Inland Sea used to be dirty. Now they are clean. So will China. The environment will be great. Dog meat will disappear. Commies will be gone.

    As the west descends back into second-world status we are getting commies popping up all over the place again, so it makes sense.

    It seems so obvious to me that the 21st century is the Asian century, mostly of China but also of India (and maybe North Korea, relatively-speaking?).

    • Replies: @AaronB

    It seems so obvious to me that the 21st century is the Asian century, mostly of China but also of India
     
    It seems "obvious" to you because it is what you secretly want. If you didn't want it, you'd strongly contest it. It would be anything but "obvious" to you.

    And you are so amiable and affable, too. What a nice guy, willing to concede like that, without a struggle lol.

    The 21st century has just begun. I personally predict a renaissance in the West beginning around mid-century or a bit later.

    In the meantime, based on my interactions with you and the white "nationalists" in Karlin's site, I think my aims will be far more modest and scaled down.

    Injecting you people with a spine and a sense of purpose is not possible at this time. Some ancient instinct is making white people take a break after 5 centuries.

    You want to rest for a while and have Asians take leadership. Maybe you need to rest and some ancient racial wisdom is leading you to do so - at least for a while, maybe mid century.

    I guess that is ok. But unfortunately, I think you will soon learn that the world will not let you rest.

    In the meantime, probably the best that can be expected is defensive positions.
    , @EastKekistani
    Just like what AaronB said you should try to stop that. I actually don't want the West to decline because we all perform better with competition. If you guys don't compete at all it makes it more likely for us to be stagnant again.

    Do you think we would have consented to extinction or defeat if the average NE Asian genotypical IQ was 70? Hell no. We would have tried our best to boost our IQ. The NE Asian dude fights against horrible conditions at any cost. That's who we are.

    Blacks, Polynesians and SEAs are different not because they are stupid or inferior but because they don't even try to improve. Tropical and wet climate allowed them to be content. Hence they are in their current situation.

  268. @Audacious Epigone
    As the west descends back into second-world status we are getting commies popping up all over the place again, so it makes sense.

    It seems so obvious to me that the 21st century is the Asian century, mostly of China but also of India (and maybe North Korea, relatively-speaking?).

    It seems so obvious to me that the 21st century is the Asian century, mostly of China but also of India

    It seems “obvious” to you because it is what you secretly want. If you didn’t want it, you’d strongly contest it. It would be anything but “obvious” to you.

    And you are so amiable and affable, too. What a nice guy, willing to concede like that, without a struggle lol.

    The 21st century has just begun. I personally predict a renaissance in the West beginning around mid-century or a bit later.

    In the meantime, based on my interactions with you and the white “nationalists” in Karlin’s site, I think my aims will be far more modest and scaled down.

    Injecting you people with a spine and a sense of purpose is not possible at this time. Some ancient instinct is making white people take a break after 5 centuries.

    You want to rest for a while and have Asians take leadership. Maybe you need to rest and some ancient racial wisdom is leading you to do so – at least for a while, maybe mid century.

    I guess that is ok. But unfortunately, I think you will soon learn that the world will not let you rest.

    In the meantime, probably the best that can be expected is defensive positions.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Whites are tired and not emotionally able to continue. Why? I don't know.

    I can see some still have that energy that makes whites great. This includes myself. It includes most evangelicals (even if it is sometimes mistakenly used for Israel). But it's around 5-10% of people I see. The light is burnt out in many white people. This is especially true among the current high school crop. What a bunch of sorry, soft, pathetic, aimless and weak people. These are not the people who conquered nearly the entire world!

    I wish I had been alive in a previous (or future?) time where my energy was in sync with the rest of the whites. The sky would have been the limit.

    Pay attention next time to who has the true white man's spirit burning inside of them. I can't really describe it any better than that; I know who is a solid person.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    We are not passive spectators, or at least we need not be. But while the West is being eaten from the inside and from the outside, the East is plowing into the genomics revolution full speed ahead. They are already putting the technology into practice while we're still pretending that it's all 'pseudoscience'.

    When accused of allegedly having given up, the first thing I wonder is if my accuser is at least at replacement fertility (I'm above it). If not, then in the way that matters most, it is he who has effectively surrendered.

    Parenthetically, I'm not a white nationalist. I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea--there are several different approaches that are surely better than the trajectory we're on now--but political dissolution with power devolved as locally as possible seems to me like the best outcome for these disunited states.
  269. @EastKekistani
    There are a lot of differences between MENA people and SEAs. MENA people historically actually contributed a lot to civilization and despite being in a Dark Age descendants of older MENA immigrants in Latin America actually do very well on average. Europeans actually often misunderstand and underestimate MENA people.

    SEAs on the other hand.. OK to give them some credit they at least farmed rice in Yangtze Valley before our ancestors kicked them out of China. They also settler colonized a lot of islands from Madagascar to Hawaii. What else? Almost everything they have is a mixture of Indian, Chinese, white and Muslim cultures. You can just look at the loanwords in Malay and Tagalog. Their food and architecture also display these traits. It would have been great if they got the best from all four civilizations above. Well they didn't.

    Should the various races (and sub races) of the world start an all out war until only one is left standing? Or should they all instead each mind their own damn business, stay within their own damn borders, and leave the rest of the world alone (except for mutually agreed to and beneficial trade and exchange of ideas, technology, etc.).

    Again, the right-wing Whites are well ahead of you. They’ve already moved onto White separatism/White nationalism and even mutual respect (if it’s reciprocated) of other peoples. I sincerely hope “Fancy” Asians learn from the mistakes of Whites: don’t start wars, defend your borders, live long and prosper.

    Anyways, I thought the people the Chinese really hated were the Japanese:

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Racial peace is definitely wonderful. In fact it is what I prefer. However the existence of such peace depends on racial balance of power. In a hypothetical world where races are actually equal or at least not too unequal in terms of performance there can indeed be racial peace and harmony. In a world with only whites and NE Asians there can of course be long-term racial peace. Add Indians to the mix there can still be racial peace. Add Middle Easterners and there can be religious conflicts. But again there does not have to be racial conflicts. After all old MENA immigrants in Latin America smoothly merged into the existing white population. Unfortunately there are also a lot of other people on this planet, people who are too divergent from other peoples and tend to cause racial conflicts.

    In particular, the world must perpetually focus on race due to the existence of a large and underperforming group that can not be ignored, namely blacks. Neither integration nor separate but equal can make everyone happy precisely due to black-nonblack inequality. In order for the world to function there has to be different expectations for blacks and nonblacks which causes racial conflicts to be perpetually present. Eventually when the global black population becomes sufficiently large the current norm that all people are morally equal regardless of race must be de facto abandoned. No matter whether blacks are nominally equal to non-blacks the world just won't be able to feed and immunize that many blacks. It will be nice if we can invent a new term (not "race") that separates non-blacks from blacks and make "non-black" some form of identity (e.g. subspecies?) between race and species that non-blacks identify with. Until we have that any blacks-related issue tends to damage race relations that even have nothing to do with blacks at all. What I'm doing is essentially containing damage by convincing all technologically advanced peoples not to let black issues ruin our relationships.

    , @EastKekistani

    Should the various races (and sub races) of the world start an all out war until only one is left standing?
     
    Definitely not even though some people want us to head towards this direction.

    Or should they all instead each mind their own damn business, stay within their own damn borders, and leave the rest of the world alone (except for mutually agreed to and beneficial trade and exchange of ideas, technology, etc.).
     
    Nope because there are so many blacks. The world is connected. If one group of sufficiently large people underperform enough they begin to hamper others' performance. Without blacks we should have been able to largely just forget about race and have the same standards for everyone globally. I think we can convince SEAs and mestizos to gradually improve if blacks don't constantly provide a counterculture and stop this process. As for Australoids it doesn't cost that much to keep giving them aid until we can use genetic engineering to boost their IQ.

    Anyways, I thought the people the Chinese really hated were the Japanese:
     
    Most people really do due to commie propaganda. I don't for Japan can't really invade China again and because the Second Sino-Japanese War was definitely not the entire history of Sino-Japanese relation which wasn't filled with enmity in general. Historically China and Japan lived in peace for more than 1000 years and there were only three major wars between China and Japan. Classical Japanese culture was heavily Chinese. Modern Chinese words are heavily Japanese (和制汉语). Yes Japan did invade China and murdered many Chinese when China was unusually weak. So did Mongols and Manchus. None of them can do that again anyway. Modern Han Chinese can get along with ethnic Mongols and Manchus. Why not ethnic Japanese? I think future generations of Chinese people will share my view. In fact the richer and higher status Chinese people are the more likely that people will forgive what foreigners did during a rare historical anomaly that has almost no long-term consequences.

    To me people should have problems with their current enemies, not descendants of the enemies of their greatgrandparents.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Right, good fences make good neighbors. The age of geographical exploration is largely over. Military conquest now costs much more than its ever worth. The only real obstacle to nations living largely peaceably, staying in their own lanes, is African fertility. Even some woke elites are starting to paw at the perimeter here, so maybe there's hope.
  270. @AaronB

    It seems so obvious to me that the 21st century is the Asian century, mostly of China but also of India
     
    It seems "obvious" to you because it is what you secretly want. If you didn't want it, you'd strongly contest it. It would be anything but "obvious" to you.

    And you are so amiable and affable, too. What a nice guy, willing to concede like that, without a struggle lol.

    The 21st century has just begun. I personally predict a renaissance in the West beginning around mid-century or a bit later.

    In the meantime, based on my interactions with you and the white "nationalists" in Karlin's site, I think my aims will be far more modest and scaled down.

    Injecting you people with a spine and a sense of purpose is not possible at this time. Some ancient instinct is making white people take a break after 5 centuries.

    You want to rest for a while and have Asians take leadership. Maybe you need to rest and some ancient racial wisdom is leading you to do so - at least for a while, maybe mid century.

    I guess that is ok. But unfortunately, I think you will soon learn that the world will not let you rest.

    In the meantime, probably the best that can be expected is defensive positions.

    Whites are tired and not emotionally able to continue. Why? I don’t know.

    I can see some still have that energy that makes whites great. This includes myself. It includes most evangelicals (even if it is sometimes mistakenly used for Israel). But it’s around 5-10% of people I see. The light is burnt out in many white people. This is especially true among the current high school crop. What a bunch of sorry, soft, pathetic, aimless and weak people. These are not the people who conquered nearly the entire world!

    I wish I had been alive in a previous (or future?) time where my energy was in sync with the rest of the whites. The sky would have been the limit.

    Pay attention next time to who has the true white man’s spirit burning inside of them. I can’t really describe it any better than that; I know who is a solid person.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    "Make America Great Again" is actually "Return America to the 1980s so I can drink beer, be lazy and watch football all day". Whites got so lazy in the post WW2 period that it has killed our spirit. But you can't just keep coasting forever.

    My theory is that whites are led forward by a select group of men who constantly need to be moving forward in things. Explore new lands over the seas. Explore the frontier and set up outposts. Explore the wonders of physics and the universe. Constantly moving forward in business efficiency and capitalism. But what happens when there's nothing left to explore?

    Our best men are left without purpose, and it hits them the hardest (aka red state american types, great inventors, explorers, innovators, warriors in Europe etc). That explains the poor mental health, suicide and drug abuse among these people while the soulless cosmopolitans are doing fine. The cosmopolitans are supposed to maintain; while the best white men are to explore. The maintainers have been subverted into destroyers.

    Our next frontier would be colonization of space. But humans will never be getting off the earth. The white man can achieve anything he dreams of. We could have a moon colony; a mars colony; we could explore the galaxies and more. But the light of our finest men is being extinguished; they have nothing left to explore and no opportunity to do so. It seems the response to that is to die off rather than to fight to fix things.

    Yet I have hope; the spirit of discovery in myself is still burning along with a desire to re-introduce all my people to this magical element. If it exists in me it must exist in others. Upwards and onwards!

    , @AaronB
    Yes, I agree.

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power.

    The important thing is not to let people like Sailer, Derb, Karlin, Epigone - the white HBDers - don the mantle of promoters of Western civilization and it's recovery.

    They clearly lack the will to compete with Jews and Asians as much as anyone and are clearly emotionally tired and unable to continue, as you say.

    The next step is to try and understand what is going on.

    "Emotionally unable to continue" - what is the source of the emotions? The unconscious. If European man has disconnected himself from the unconscious too much, and strives to be rational and conscious 100% of the time, his emotions will wither.

    The first thing you notice about the group of white HBDers I mentioned above is their lack of emotional intensity, their amiability and affability, the sense they exude of there being no serious emotion behind their writings.

    I think that is what is going on.

    But eventually, European man will open himself up to the unconscious again - to a higher power - and reconnect to the sources of vitality and emotion.

    At the same time, Asia will become more and more committed to 100% conscious rationality all the time, and will become emotionally sterile. Already characters like EastKek are a sign of the times.

    I expect major changes by mid century.
  271. @EastKekistani
    You are a Negroid.

    A lot of my views are novel which is precisely why people such as DBCooper are so confused about me. Well, that's the end of my response.

    Yeah, deny all you want. I am not confused. You are a subcon.

  272. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Whites are tired and not emotionally able to continue. Why? I don't know.

    I can see some still have that energy that makes whites great. This includes myself. It includes most evangelicals (even if it is sometimes mistakenly used for Israel). But it's around 5-10% of people I see. The light is burnt out in many white people. This is especially true among the current high school crop. What a bunch of sorry, soft, pathetic, aimless and weak people. These are not the people who conquered nearly the entire world!

    I wish I had been alive in a previous (or future?) time where my energy was in sync with the rest of the whites. The sky would have been the limit.

    Pay attention next time to who has the true white man's spirit burning inside of them. I can't really describe it any better than that; I know who is a solid person.

    “Make America Great Again” is actually “Return America to the 1980s so I can drink beer, be lazy and watch football all day”. Whites got so lazy in the post WW2 period that it has killed our spirit. But you can’t just keep coasting forever.

    My theory is that whites are led forward by a select group of men who constantly need to be moving forward in things. Explore new lands over the seas. Explore the frontier and set up outposts. Explore the wonders of physics and the universe. Constantly moving forward in business efficiency and capitalism. But what happens when there’s nothing left to explore?

    Our best men are left without purpose, and it hits them the hardest (aka red state american types, great inventors, explorers, innovators, warriors in Europe etc). That explains the poor mental health, suicide and drug abuse among these people while the soulless cosmopolitans are doing fine. The cosmopolitans are supposed to maintain; while the best white men are to explore. The maintainers have been subverted into destroyers.

    Our next frontier would be colonization of space. But humans will never be getting off the earth. The white man can achieve anything he dreams of. We could have a moon colony; a mars colony; we could explore the galaxies and more. But the light of our finest men is being extinguished; they have nothing left to explore and no opportunity to do so. It seems the response to that is to die off rather than to fight to fix things.

    Yet I have hope; the spirit of discovery in myself is still burning along with a desire to re-introduce all my people to this magical element. If it exists in me it must exist in others. Upwards and onwards!

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Our next frontier would be colonization of space.
     
    Yeppo.

    But humans will never be getting off the earth.
     
    We will get off this planet.

    The white man can achieve anything he dreams of.
     
    Yes. However if you guys continue to coddle blacks and browns we will leave this planet on our own anyway.. Space is fun.

    But the light of our finest men is being extinguished; they have nothing left to explore and no opportunity to do so. It seems the response to that is to die off rather than to fight to fix things.
     
    I do consider the space race wonderful for it makes humanity stronger. We do need another one if this is what is necessary to get people to explore space.
  273. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Whites are tired and not emotionally able to continue. Why? I don't know.

    I can see some still have that energy that makes whites great. This includes myself. It includes most evangelicals (even if it is sometimes mistakenly used for Israel). But it's around 5-10% of people I see. The light is burnt out in many white people. This is especially true among the current high school crop. What a bunch of sorry, soft, pathetic, aimless and weak people. These are not the people who conquered nearly the entire world!

    I wish I had been alive in a previous (or future?) time where my energy was in sync with the rest of the whites. The sky would have been the limit.

    Pay attention next time to who has the true white man's spirit burning inside of them. I can't really describe it any better than that; I know who is a solid person.

    Yes, I agree.

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power.

    The important thing is not to let people like Sailer, Derb, Karlin, Epigone – the white HBDers – don the mantle of promoters of Western civilization and it’s recovery.

    They clearly lack the will to compete with Jews and Asians as much as anyone and are clearly emotionally tired and unable to continue, as you say.

    The next step is to try and understand what is going on.

    “Emotionally unable to continue” – what is the source of the emotions? The unconscious. If European man has disconnected himself from the unconscious too much, and strives to be rational and conscious 100% of the time, his emotions will wither.

    The first thing you notice about the group of white HBDers I mentioned above is their lack of emotional intensity, their amiability and affability, the sense they exude of there being no serious emotion behind their writings.

    I think that is what is going on.

    But eventually, European man will open himself up to the unconscious again – to a higher power – and reconnect to the sources of vitality and emotion.

    At the same time, Asia will become more and more committed to 100% conscious rationality all the time, and will become emotionally sterile. Already characters like EastKek are a sign of the times.

    I expect major changes by mid century.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power.
     
    I was hoping that you would give it a stab. The best way I can describe it is simply "the spirit burning inside the true white man". I'll think of improvements.

    The important thing is not to let people like Sailer, Derb, Karlin, Epigone – the white HBDers – don the mantle of promoters of Western civilization and it’s recovery.
     
    There's a reason that they - along with Shapiro, Crowder, Beck et al. are not getting purged from social media. They don't represent a threat to the global anti-white order. Is Steve making 5 articles a day gently poking fun at the racial nonsense going to rebirth our spirit? Is obsessing over IQ? We don't even have the highest IQ!

    The reason Alex Jones was banned was because he shows *spirit*. He shows pure, raw, unadulterated passion for the things white men care about. It doesn't matter that he was going on about gay frogs. The spirit is contagious. Ditto with Jared Taylor. Look in Taylor's eyes. That guy has a white-hot fire churning around underneath his calm exterior. Another threat.

    If European man has disconnected himself from the unconscious too much, and strives to be rational and conscious 100% of the time, his emotions will wither.
     
    Not sure this is accurate. The people most destructive to society today are not rational. The homosexuals, the feminists, the transsexuals, the racial equalists. You can argue rationally with them and it doesn't work.

    The first thing you notice about the group of white HBDers I mentioned above is their lack of emotional intensity, their amiability and affability, the sense they exude of there being no serious emotion behind their writings.
     
    That happens with just about every boomer around. They have no purpose to their life so they hold being "nice" and "friendly" to the highest standard. With Steve though I get the sense that he's also trying to make light out of a bad situation. Like the meme where the neutral wojack mask is covering up the crying wojack. Proving his indifference as a coping mechanism.

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power
     
    I was kind of more critiquing average whites. Go to a high school and see how soft and malleable most of the white students are. It's pathetic. They need to be hit multiple times in the head.

    Asia will become more and more committed to 100% conscious rationality all the time
     
    Sure, East Asians, but I'm much more worried about the South Asians who have flooded our countries.

    I expect major changes by mid century.
     
    I hope so. What kind of spiritual nourishment do we need to wake up?

    Is Christianity the answer? It's possible. The evangelical church is there place where I find 80% of the people there have this energy. It really creates quite a magical feeling. You can almost see it. I find it strange that evangelicals are attacked so hard when it's literally the only place I've ever seen that a) has an above replacement white fertility, b) is full of successful, middle/upper class whites and c) maintains that white, NW-euro spirit. Maybe it's not the answer, but it's the closest I've found so far. It certainly beats the pagan Neo-Nazi larpers who neither reproduce, make money, nor have the spirit.
  274. @Anonymous Jew
    Should the various races (and sub races) of the world start an all out war until only one is left standing? Or should they all instead each mind their own damn business, stay within their own damn borders, and leave the rest of the world alone (except for mutually agreed to and beneficial trade and exchange of ideas, technology, etc.).

    Again, the right-wing Whites are well ahead of you. They've already moved onto White separatism/White nationalism and even mutual respect (if it's reciprocated) of other peoples. I sincerely hope "Fancy" Asians learn from the mistakes of Whites: don't start wars, defend your borders, live long and prosper.

    Anyways, I thought the people the Chinese really hated were the Japanese:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omfO6ooInP4

    Racial peace is definitely wonderful. In fact it is what I prefer. However the existence of such peace depends on racial balance of power. In a hypothetical world where races are actually equal or at least not too unequal in terms of performance there can indeed be racial peace and harmony. In a world with only whites and NE Asians there can of course be long-term racial peace. Add Indians to the mix there can still be racial peace. Add Middle Easterners and there can be religious conflicts. But again there does not have to be racial conflicts. After all old MENA immigrants in Latin America smoothly merged into the existing white population. Unfortunately there are also a lot of other people on this planet, people who are too divergent from other peoples and tend to cause racial conflicts.

    In particular, the world must perpetually focus on race due to the existence of a large and underperforming group that can not be ignored, namely blacks. Neither integration nor separate but equal can make everyone happy precisely due to black-nonblack inequality. In order for the world to function there has to be different expectations for blacks and nonblacks which causes racial conflicts to be perpetually present. Eventually when the global black population becomes sufficiently large the current norm that all people are morally equal regardless of race must be de facto abandoned. No matter whether blacks are nominally equal to non-blacks the world just won’t be able to feed and immunize that many blacks. It will be nice if we can invent a new term (not “race”) that separates non-blacks from blacks and make “non-black” some form of identity (e.g. subspecies?) between race and species that non-blacks identify with. Until we have that any blacks-related issue tends to damage race relations that even have nothing to do with blacks at all. What I’m doing is essentially containing damage by convincing all technologically advanced peoples not to let black issues ruin our relationships.

  275. @Audacious Epigone
    What percentage of mainland Chinese would be on board with you're using "us" in this context? How do other Han feel wrt your sentiments?

    Most don’t identify with a pan-NE Asian identity because many Chinese folks hate Japan and even often Korea.

    However many people support my specific claims. People are not happy with Xi’s coddling of poor Third World countries. Some people simply call SEAs “monkeys” partly due to the Spratly Islands dispute and partly due to poor SEA treatment of Chinese people. Whoever aware of what SEAs did to the Chinese diaspora tends to be angry at SEAs. They just don’t tend to frame it in a whites vs blacks like terms.

    What I did was really reframing everything in HBD terms and making it globally relevant. To me the NE Asian merchant persecuted by SEAs, mestizos, Africans or Pacific Islanders is just another version of the white guys massacred in Haiti and Arabs massacred in Zanzibar. There is no significant difference between Indonesian massacres of ethnic Chinese and Ugandan massacre of Indians. It’s all about barbarism harming civilized people and reverting civilization.

  276. @EastKekistani

    I await the day a PRC fleet does to this country what Cmdr. Perry did to the shogun in 1853.
     
    To be honest if the West continues to be corrupted by brown and black cultures yes it will eventually happen. It may be a Chinese fleet, a Japanese fleet, a Russian fleet, an Indian fleet or an Arab fleet. But yes it will come unless the corruption is stopped.

    You think there will be a naval invasion of a nuclear-armed power?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    If America becomes brown will Russia and China or even Britain and France trust that the nukes aren't going to be abused? What if major nuclear accidents actually happen? What if a brown or black POTUS threatens a foreign country with nuking for absurd reasons? I'm not actually joking. There were black presidents in Africa who were actually really erratic. Amin, Nguema and Bokassa were good examples. Are you sure that the same won't happen in a brown and black America?

    If Boers didn't denuclearize South Africa will you feel safe letting Zulus and Xhosas having them?

  277. @AaronB
    Yes, I agree.

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power.

    The important thing is not to let people like Sailer, Derb, Karlin, Epigone - the white HBDers - don the mantle of promoters of Western civilization and it's recovery.

    They clearly lack the will to compete with Jews and Asians as much as anyone and are clearly emotionally tired and unable to continue, as you say.

    The next step is to try and understand what is going on.

    "Emotionally unable to continue" - what is the source of the emotions? The unconscious. If European man has disconnected himself from the unconscious too much, and strives to be rational and conscious 100% of the time, his emotions will wither.

    The first thing you notice about the group of white HBDers I mentioned above is their lack of emotional intensity, their amiability and affability, the sense they exude of there being no serious emotion behind their writings.

    I think that is what is going on.

    But eventually, European man will open himself up to the unconscious again - to a higher power - and reconnect to the sources of vitality and emotion.

    At the same time, Asia will become more and more committed to 100% conscious rationality all the time, and will become emotionally sterile. Already characters like EastKek are a sign of the times.

    I expect major changes by mid century.

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power.

    I was hoping that you would give it a stab. The best way I can describe it is simply “the spirit burning inside the true white man”. I’ll think of improvements.

    The important thing is not to let people like Sailer, Derb, Karlin, Epigone – the white HBDers – don the mantle of promoters of Western civilization and it’s recovery.

    There’s a reason that they – along with Shapiro, Crowder, Beck et al. are not getting purged from social media. They don’t represent a threat to the global anti-white order. Is Steve making 5 articles a day gently poking fun at the racial nonsense going to rebirth our spirit? Is obsessing over IQ? We don’t even have the highest IQ!

    The reason Alex Jones was banned was because he shows *spirit*. He shows pure, raw, unadulterated passion for the things white men care about. It doesn’t matter that he was going on about gay frogs. The spirit is contagious. Ditto with Jared Taylor. Look in Taylor’s eyes. That guy has a white-hot fire churning around underneath his calm exterior. Another threat.

    If European man has disconnected himself from the unconscious too much, and strives to be rational and conscious 100% of the time, his emotions will wither.

    Not sure this is accurate. The people most destructive to society today are not rational. The homosexuals, the feminists, the transsexuals, the racial equalists. You can argue rationally with them and it doesn’t work.

    The first thing you notice about the group of white HBDers I mentioned above is their lack of emotional intensity, their amiability and affability, the sense they exude of there being no serious emotion behind their writings.

    That happens with just about every boomer around. They have no purpose to their life so they hold being “nice” and “friendly” to the highest standard. With Steve though I get the sense that he’s also trying to make light out of a bad situation. Like the meme where the neutral wojack mask is covering up the crying wojack. Proving his indifference as a coping mechanism.

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power

    I was kind of more critiquing average whites. Go to a high school and see how soft and malleable most of the white students are. It’s pathetic. They need to be hit multiple times in the head.

    Asia will become more and more committed to 100% conscious rationality all the time

    Sure, East Asians, but I’m much more worried about the South Asians who have flooded our countries.

    I expect major changes by mid century.

    I hope so. What kind of spiritual nourishment do we need to wake up?

    Is Christianity the answer? It’s possible. The evangelical church is there place where I find 80% of the people there have this energy. It really creates quite a magical feeling. You can almost see it. I find it strange that evangelicals are attacked so hard when it’s literally the only place I’ve ever seen that a) has an above replacement white fertility, b) is full of successful, middle/upper class whites and c) maintains that white, NW-euro spirit. Maybe it’s not the answer, but it’s the closest I’ve found so far. It certainly beats the pagan Neo-Nazi larpers who neither reproduce, make money, nor have the spirit.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    I'm sort of channelling Carl Jung here, but I've been reading him lately and I think his theories really do shed light on what's happening and are very similar to religion.

    You are right that the crazy people today are leftists, but according to Jungian theory if you suppress one side of life too much it tends to explode in unhealthy ways. So modern Western cultures attempt to suppress the unconscious and the imagination, and to become 100% rational and conscious and self controlled all the time, led to the crazy explosion of unhealthy irrationality that defines recent culture.

    As well, if you try and suppress emotion and the imagination completely, as the modern scientific West did, then you divide yourself into two, you are no longer a complete or whole man, and thus you are much weaker.

    That is why I think we cannot carry on.

    Is Christianity the answer? Theoretically it can be, but it doesn't look like it. The important thing is to open up again to the unconscious, to the imagination, to religion, to God, a higher power, etc, and become whole and complete people again. The precise form this will take is unclear yet.

    Fatalistic doctrines like HBD are just of the rationalistic disease we are suffering from.
    , @Toronto Russian

    I find it strange that evangelicals are attacked so hard when it’s literally the only place I’ve ever seen that a) has an above replacement white fertility, b) is full of successful, middle/upper class whites and c) maintains that white, NW-euro spirit.
     
    It probably has to do with this.
    https://i1.wp.com/1324book.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/rod-ad-1-a.jpg
    https://homeschoolersanonymous.org/2016/05/20/that-christian-man-selling-child-training-whips-is-back/
  278. @Audacious Epigone
    You think there will be a naval invasion of a nuclear-armed power?

    If America becomes brown will Russia and China or even Britain and France trust that the nukes aren’t going to be abused? What if major nuclear accidents actually happen? What if a brown or black POTUS threatens a foreign country with nuking for absurd reasons? I’m not actually joking. There were black presidents in Africa who were actually really erratic. Amin, Nguema and Bokassa were good examples. Are you sure that the same won’t happen in a brown and black America?

    If Boers didn’t denuclearize South Africa will you feel safe letting Zulus and Xhosas having them?

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Mexican America scaring African France and Muslim England.

    Meanwhile Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India (BJP has genocided the Muslims now that the world policeman the white man is gone) also have nukes.

    What a place.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Touche, the SA question is an especially relevant one.
  279. UFO,

    Schoolmarm had to delete the long comment with references to “roaches” and the referring to certain populations as causing places to be “infested”. I hate to vanquish something you put some time into but I’m determined to maintain a certain decorum here. Thank you for understanding.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I don't see anything wrong with that description; in fact it's quite an accurate picture of the situation. I've seen cockroaches in my house before and it gave me a similar feeling.

    Can you just delete the offending sentence instead of deleting the whole thing, though? I will refrain from using those terms again though.
  280. @EastKekistani
    If America becomes brown will Russia and China or even Britain and France trust that the nukes aren't going to be abused? What if major nuclear accidents actually happen? What if a brown or black POTUS threatens a foreign country with nuking for absurd reasons? I'm not actually joking. There were black presidents in Africa who were actually really erratic. Amin, Nguema and Bokassa were good examples. Are you sure that the same won't happen in a brown and black America?

    If Boers didn't denuclearize South Africa will you feel safe letting Zulus and Xhosas having them?

    Mexican America scaring African France and Muslim England.

    Meanwhile Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India (BJP has genocided the Muslims now that the world policeman the white man is gone) also have nukes.

    What a place.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Mexican America scaring African France and Muslim England.
     
    If France becomes African it may become even scarier than Mexican America especially to Central European and East European white countries.

    Meanwhile Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India (BJP has genocided the Muslims now that the world policeman the white man is gone) also have nukes.
     
    Will India be able to get away with genociding Muslims? I mean.. Muslim Pakistanis won't like it.

    What a place.
     
    Yep. What a place.
  281. @Audacious Epigone
    UFO,

    Schoolmarm had to delete the long comment with references to "roaches" and the referring to certain populations as causing places to be "infested". I hate to vanquish something you put some time into but I'm determined to maintain a certain decorum here. Thank you for understanding.

    I don’t see anything wrong with that description; in fact it’s quite an accurate picture of the situation. I’ve seen cockroaches in my house before and it gave me a similar feeling.

    Can you just delete the offending sentence instead of deleting the whole thing, though? I will refrain from using those terms again though.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I'm don't have that administrative function, but here's UFO's comment sans the dehumanization:

    "I recently went to Croatia and Italy.

    In Italy the number of black layabouts was astounding. Coming out of Centrale station in Milan, you see a sea of African men. They sit around in parks. They stare at people. They beg for money. They are pitiable excuses for “men”.

    That said, they do behave because Salvini will deport their asses the moment they come into contact with the police. But I believe some day they will break free, maybe not in Italy but certainly in France. There are many Asian tourists in Italy.

    As an NE Asian person I have observed the following facts:

    Yeah, because we’ve been conditioned to believe that crime is just part and parcel of living in a society. It’s really pathetic tbh. I don’t accept that there’s project housing full of Somalians in many neighborhoods, living on welfare and committing crimes. 99% of whites seem to not care. We are sinking further and further into mediocrity. The destruction of historical statues and the hatred towards the past (raycis 50s, etc.) make us lose our benchmarks of what’s acceptable. Another thing is that the Greatest Generation is almost completely dead now, so our living link to that time period is gone, leaving the delusional boomers as the dominant group.

    You are correct that whites are more creative and have better ideas. We always will. But at a certain point, the creative “idea” will be meaningless in a society that is full of crime ridden Africans. At that point we better start getting “creative” in other ways…..

    You can’t have the pen without the sword to enforce its freedom. Kinda like you can’t have the 1st amendment without the 2nd. Another worthless idea but you get the idea haha. East Asians are obviously highly competent and thus far willing to use some muscle to keep their society clean, so the slightly worse creative output will be well worth it in exchange for a stable and relatively conservative society.

    Also – the Enlightenment has some good ideas, but look where it’s gotten us now. The white man has gone mad with his ideas post 2008. Maybe a little less thinking would do us some good.

    I do appreciate the fair warning that you will be bombing us to the point of genocide, though. Nothing personal, I’m sure, it’s how the world works. The strong willed will always win out."
  282. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Mexican America scaring African France and Muslim England.

    Meanwhile Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India (BJP has genocided the Muslims now that the world policeman the white man is gone) also have nukes.

    What a place.

    Mexican America scaring African France and Muslim England.

    If France becomes African it may become even scarier than Mexican America especially to Central European and East European white countries.

    Meanwhile Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India (BJP has genocided the Muslims now that the world policeman the white man is gone) also have nukes.

    Will India be able to get away with genociding Muslims? I mean.. Muslim Pakistanis won’t like it.

    What a place.

    Yep. What a place.

  283. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    "Make America Great Again" is actually "Return America to the 1980s so I can drink beer, be lazy and watch football all day". Whites got so lazy in the post WW2 period that it has killed our spirit. But you can't just keep coasting forever.

    My theory is that whites are led forward by a select group of men who constantly need to be moving forward in things. Explore new lands over the seas. Explore the frontier and set up outposts. Explore the wonders of physics and the universe. Constantly moving forward in business efficiency and capitalism. But what happens when there's nothing left to explore?

    Our best men are left without purpose, and it hits them the hardest (aka red state american types, great inventors, explorers, innovators, warriors in Europe etc). That explains the poor mental health, suicide and drug abuse among these people while the soulless cosmopolitans are doing fine. The cosmopolitans are supposed to maintain; while the best white men are to explore. The maintainers have been subverted into destroyers.

    Our next frontier would be colonization of space. But humans will never be getting off the earth. The white man can achieve anything he dreams of. We could have a moon colony; a mars colony; we could explore the galaxies and more. But the light of our finest men is being extinguished; they have nothing left to explore and no opportunity to do so. It seems the response to that is to die off rather than to fight to fix things.

    Yet I have hope; the spirit of discovery in myself is still burning along with a desire to re-introduce all my people to this magical element. If it exists in me it must exist in others. Upwards and onwards!

    Our next frontier would be colonization of space.

    Yeppo.

    But humans will never be getting off the earth.

    We will get off this planet.

    The white man can achieve anything he dreams of.

    Yes. However if you guys continue to coddle blacks and browns we will leave this planet on our own anyway.. Space is fun.

    But the light of our finest men is being extinguished; they have nothing left to explore and no opportunity to do so. It seems the response to that is to die off rather than to fight to fix things.

    I do consider the space race wonderful for it makes humanity stronger. We do need another one if this is what is necessary to get people to explore space.

  284. @Anonymous Jew
    Should the various races (and sub races) of the world start an all out war until only one is left standing? Or should they all instead each mind their own damn business, stay within their own damn borders, and leave the rest of the world alone (except for mutually agreed to and beneficial trade and exchange of ideas, technology, etc.).

    Again, the right-wing Whites are well ahead of you. They've already moved onto White separatism/White nationalism and even mutual respect (if it's reciprocated) of other peoples. I sincerely hope "Fancy" Asians learn from the mistakes of Whites: don't start wars, defend your borders, live long and prosper.

    Anyways, I thought the people the Chinese really hated were the Japanese:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omfO6ooInP4

    Should the various races (and sub races) of the world start an all out war until only one is left standing?

    Definitely not even though some people want us to head towards this direction.

    Or should they all instead each mind their own damn business, stay within their own damn borders, and leave the rest of the world alone (except for mutually agreed to and beneficial trade and exchange of ideas, technology, etc.).

    Nope because there are so many blacks. The world is connected. If one group of sufficiently large people underperform enough they begin to hamper others’ performance. Without blacks we should have been able to largely just forget about race and have the same standards for everyone globally. I think we can convince SEAs and mestizos to gradually improve if blacks don’t constantly provide a counterculture and stop this process. As for Australoids it doesn’t cost that much to keep giving them aid until we can use genetic engineering to boost their IQ.

    Anyways, I thought the people the Chinese really hated were the Japanese:

    Most people really do due to commie propaganda. I don’t for Japan can’t really invade China again and because the Second Sino-Japanese War was definitely not the entire history of Sino-Japanese relation which wasn’t filled with enmity in general. Historically China and Japan lived in peace for more than 1000 years and there were only three major wars between China and Japan. Classical Japanese culture was heavily Chinese. Modern Chinese words are heavily Japanese (和制汉语). Yes Japan did invade China and murdered many Chinese when China was unusually weak. So did Mongols and Manchus. None of them can do that again anyway. Modern Han Chinese can get along with ethnic Mongols and Manchus. Why not ethnic Japanese? I think future generations of Chinese people will share my view. In fact the richer and higher status Chinese people are the more likely that people will forgive what foreigners did during a rare historical anomaly that has almost no long-term consequences.

    To me people should have problems with their current enemies, not descendants of the enemies of their greatgrandparents.

  285. @Audacious Epigone
    To keep it relatively simple, Asian could be broken down into three broad categories--"east Asian", "central Asian", and "south Asian". I assume the term Oriental is some sort of microaggression at this point. I know I get pissed when someone refers to me as an Occidental, so I get it!

    I don’t mind the term “Oriental”. We NE Asian folks need thicker skin as we get richer. Getting really bothered by names is a very African trait.

  286. @AaronB

    It seems so obvious to me that the 21st century is the Asian century, mostly of China but also of India
     
    It seems "obvious" to you because it is what you secretly want. If you didn't want it, you'd strongly contest it. It would be anything but "obvious" to you.

    And you are so amiable and affable, too. What a nice guy, willing to concede like that, without a struggle lol.

    The 21st century has just begun. I personally predict a renaissance in the West beginning around mid-century or a bit later.

    In the meantime, based on my interactions with you and the white "nationalists" in Karlin's site, I think my aims will be far more modest and scaled down.

    Injecting you people with a spine and a sense of purpose is not possible at this time. Some ancient instinct is making white people take a break after 5 centuries.

    You want to rest for a while and have Asians take leadership. Maybe you need to rest and some ancient racial wisdom is leading you to do so - at least for a while, maybe mid century.

    I guess that is ok. But unfortunately, I think you will soon learn that the world will not let you rest.

    In the meantime, probably the best that can be expected is defensive positions.

    We are not passive spectators, or at least we need not be. But while the West is being eaten from the inside and from the outside, the East is plowing into the genomics revolution full speed ahead. They are already putting the technology into practice while we’re still pretending that it’s all ‘pseudoscience’.

    When accused of allegedly having given up, the first thing I wonder is if my accuser is at least at replacement fertility (I’m above it). If not, then in the way that matters most, it is he who has effectively surrendered.

    Parenthetically, I’m not a white nationalist. I’m not necessarily opposed to the idea–there are several different approaches that are surely better than the trajectory we’re on now–but political dissolution with power devolved as locally as possible seems to me like the best outcome for these disunited states.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I'll act the Jew and play both sides.

    You're also right. Having a fertility well above replacement is absolutely crucial. Ultimately the only way we will get out of this situation (that doesn't involve genocide) by outbreeding the invaders.

    It's why I disagree with the people so critical of evangelical Christians. They talk shit about them all day. But it all comes down to this: How many white groups have above replacement fertility?

    Evangelicals, mormons, mennonites, and the amish.

    "White nationalists" and neo nazis have a fertility far below replacement I would assume.
    , @AaronB
    That's a fair point about having kids.

    As for the genomics revolution, it does not look like its getting anywhere. But I did not realize that's what you're basing it on.

    Anyways, I just don't understand the way so many whites are willing to throw in the towel at the first sign of trends that negatively affect the West.

    I see this kind of complacent, blase acceptance of trends on the part of white HBDers - as if we are all helpless passive spectators, as you say.

    Its really profoundly weird and disturbing.

    I cannot imagine an Englishman a few hundred years ago watching France say have a string of successes and just shrugging and complacently accepting that oh well its just going to be the French century.

    Just imagining that shows the difference between us and them.

    That is one of the reasons I consider HBD as essentially a dispiriting and fatalistic philosophy, and part of the general decadence of the West.

    Granted that there is a genetic component to performance and outcome - what is the point in focusing on it? The focus, obviously, should be on what we can change.

    The fascination with what cannot be changed is itself a weird sign of decadence. And there is positive motivation to "discover" that things can't be changed.

    It encourages passive acceptance. Imagine a Chinese HBDer in the 19th century just accepting that white people were so much smarter and more capable than Chinese and that was simply how it was. Instead, they refused to accept the current trends and the apparently "solid facts" of the time - the exact opposite of white HBDers today.

    Anyways, I say I don't understand but I do. All this "objective science" is really wish fulfillment - you are tired, and want to take a break. You want someone else to do the heavy lifting for a while. You willingly surrender that place to Asia - whether they are up to the task is another question. It does not seem like it.

    That is fine. Nothing can go on forever.

    You have 30 or 40 years to take a break. That's all I'm giving. I'm counting.
  287. @Audacious Epigone
    As the west descends back into second-world status we are getting commies popping up all over the place again, so it makes sense.

    It seems so obvious to me that the 21st century is the Asian century, mostly of China but also of India (and maybe North Korea, relatively-speaking?).

    Just like what AaronB said you should try to stop that. I actually don’t want the West to decline because we all perform better with competition. If you guys don’t compete at all it makes it more likely for us to be stagnant again.

    Do you think we would have consented to extinction or defeat if the average NE Asian genotypical IQ was 70? Hell no. We would have tried our best to boost our IQ. The NE Asian dude fights against horrible conditions at any cost. That’s who we are.

    Blacks, Polynesians and SEAs are different not because they are stupid or inferior but because they don’t even try to improve. Tropical and wet climate allowed them to be content. Hence they are in their current situation.

  288. @Anonymous Jew
    Should the various races (and sub races) of the world start an all out war until only one is left standing? Or should they all instead each mind their own damn business, stay within their own damn borders, and leave the rest of the world alone (except for mutually agreed to and beneficial trade and exchange of ideas, technology, etc.).

    Again, the right-wing Whites are well ahead of you. They've already moved onto White separatism/White nationalism and even mutual respect (if it's reciprocated) of other peoples. I sincerely hope "Fancy" Asians learn from the mistakes of Whites: don't start wars, defend your borders, live long and prosper.

    Anyways, I thought the people the Chinese really hated were the Japanese:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omfO6ooInP4

    Right, good fences make good neighbors. The age of geographical exploration is largely over. Military conquest now costs much more than its ever worth. The only real obstacle to nations living largely peaceably, staying in their own lanes, is African fertility. Even some woke elites are starting to paw at the perimeter here, so maybe there’s hope.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Yep. Also their incompetence which harms the global economy. As I said before racial issues on this planet are really just about blacks. If they improve significantly there will be almost no racial issues at all. However if they can't or can but don't want to improve then there will be serious issues.

    Maybe we really need a subspecies-level identity for non-blacks. In the worst case when adequate aid for all blacks become infeasible we will have to reduce aid to Africa and maybe this identity will help.

  289. @Audacious Epigone
    Right, good fences make good neighbors. The age of geographical exploration is largely over. Military conquest now costs much more than its ever worth. The only real obstacle to nations living largely peaceably, staying in their own lanes, is African fertility. Even some woke elites are starting to paw at the perimeter here, so maybe there's hope.

    Yep. Also their incompetence which harms the global economy. As I said before racial issues on this planet are really just about blacks. If they improve significantly there will be almost no racial issues at all. However if they can’t or can but don’t want to improve then there will be serious issues.

    Maybe we really need a subspecies-level identity for non-blacks. In the worst case when adequate aid for all blacks become infeasible we will have to reduce aid to Africa and maybe this identity will help.

  290. @EastKekistani
    If America becomes brown will Russia and China or even Britain and France trust that the nukes aren't going to be abused? What if major nuclear accidents actually happen? What if a brown or black POTUS threatens a foreign country with nuking for absurd reasons? I'm not actually joking. There were black presidents in Africa who were actually really erratic. Amin, Nguema and Bokassa were good examples. Are you sure that the same won't happen in a brown and black America?

    If Boers didn't denuclearize South Africa will you feel safe letting Zulus and Xhosas having them?

    Touche, the SA question is an especially relevant one.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Yeah.

    Blacks are really a global outlier which even applies to their leaders. Idi Amin ate human flesh and claimed to have conquered the British Empire. Francisco Nguema executed his central bank governor and took the national treasury home. Jean-Bedel Bokassa was a cannibal emperor. I think all over Eurasia and North Africa no matter how cruel a leader is it is very unlikely for him/her to be crazy. I'm not sure about mestizos but SEAs certainly aren't crazy. Maybe certain leaders of Oceania are but I'm not sure. So it is fair to say that this level of madness is an almost exclusively if not exclusively black phenomenon. Until current and future black leaders prove to be less weird we indeed can't entrust them with WMDs.

    This is also why I argue for some form of trusteeship over black areas. We need to be able to stop certain madness in black regions from Ebola to Bokassas from significantly harming the world.

    If we use your "neighbors" analogy then we all have a neighbor who is frequently drugged, doesn't work and does not take care of his mice (disease) problem.

  291. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I don't see anything wrong with that description; in fact it's quite an accurate picture of the situation. I've seen cockroaches in my house before and it gave me a similar feeling.

    Can you just delete the offending sentence instead of deleting the whole thing, though? I will refrain from using those terms again though.

    I’m don’t have that administrative function, but here’s UFO’s comment sans the dehumanization:

    “I recently went to Croatia and Italy.

    In Italy the number of black layabouts was astounding. Coming out of Centrale station in Milan, you see a sea of African men. They sit around in parks. They stare at people. They beg for money. They are pitiable excuses for “men”.

    That said, they do behave because Salvini will deport their asses the moment they come into contact with the police. But I believe some day they will break free, maybe not in Italy but certainly in France. There are many Asian tourists in Italy.

    As an NE Asian person I have observed the following facts:

    Yeah, because we’ve been conditioned to believe that crime is just part and parcel of living in a society. It’s really pathetic tbh. I don’t accept that there’s project housing full of Somalians in many neighborhoods, living on welfare and committing crimes. 99% of whites seem to not care. We are sinking further and further into mediocrity. The destruction of historical statues and the hatred towards the past (raycis 50s, etc.) make us lose our benchmarks of what’s acceptable. Another thing is that the Greatest Generation is almost completely dead now, so our living link to that time period is gone, leaving the delusional boomers as the dominant group.

    You are correct that whites are more creative and have better ideas. We always will. But at a certain point, the creative “idea” will be meaningless in a society that is full of crime ridden Africans. At that point we better start getting “creative” in other ways…..

    You can’t have the pen without the sword to enforce its freedom. Kinda like you can’t have the 1st amendment without the 2nd. Another worthless idea but you get the idea haha. East Asians are obviously highly competent and thus far willing to use some muscle to keep their society clean, so the slightly worse creative output will be well worth it in exchange for a stable and relatively conservative society.

    Also – the Enlightenment has some good ideas, but look where it’s gotten us now. The white man has gone mad with his ideas post 2008. Maybe a little less thinking would do us some good.

    I do appreciate the fair warning that you will be bombing us to the point of genocide, though. Nothing personal, I’m sure, it’s how the world works. The strong willed will always win out.”

  292. @Audacious Epigone
    Touche, the SA question is an especially relevant one.

    Yeah.

    Blacks are really a global outlier which even applies to their leaders. Idi Amin ate human flesh and claimed to have conquered the British Empire. Francisco Nguema executed his central bank governor and took the national treasury home. Jean-Bedel Bokassa was a cannibal emperor. I think all over Eurasia and North Africa no matter how cruel a leader is it is very unlikely for him/her to be crazy. I’m not sure about mestizos but SEAs certainly aren’t crazy. Maybe certain leaders of Oceania are but I’m not sure. So it is fair to say that this level of madness is an almost exclusively if not exclusively black phenomenon. Until current and future black leaders prove to be less weird we indeed can’t entrust them with WMDs.

    This is also why I argue for some form of trusteeship over black areas. We need to be able to stop certain madness in black regions from Ebola to Bokassas from significantly harming the world.

    If we use your “neighbors” analogy then we all have a neighbor who is frequently drugged, doesn’t work and does not take care of his mice (disease) problem.

  293. @Audacious Epigone
    We are not passive spectators, or at least we need not be. But while the West is being eaten from the inside and from the outside, the East is plowing into the genomics revolution full speed ahead. They are already putting the technology into practice while we're still pretending that it's all 'pseudoscience'.

    When accused of allegedly having given up, the first thing I wonder is if my accuser is at least at replacement fertility (I'm above it). If not, then in the way that matters most, it is he who has effectively surrendered.

    Parenthetically, I'm not a white nationalist. I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea--there are several different approaches that are surely better than the trajectory we're on now--but political dissolution with power devolved as locally as possible seems to me like the best outcome for these disunited states.

    I’ll act the Jew and play both sides.

    You’re also right. Having a fertility well above replacement is absolutely crucial. Ultimately the only way we will get out of this situation (that doesn’t involve genocide) by outbreeding the invaders.

    It’s why I disagree with the people so critical of evangelical Christians. They talk shit about them all day. But it all comes down to this: How many white groups have above replacement fertility?

    Evangelicals, mormons, mennonites, and the amish.

    “White nationalists” and neo nazis have a fertility far below replacement I would assume.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Ha, less derisively, play the Jew and thoroughly understand both sides!

    A TFR at or above replacement is not sufficient--but it is necessary.

    Agree re: the larpers--and the social media tyranny aside, it's important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis--professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.

  294. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I'll act the Jew and play both sides.

    You're also right. Having a fertility well above replacement is absolutely crucial. Ultimately the only way we will get out of this situation (that doesn't involve genocide) by outbreeding the invaders.

    It's why I disagree with the people so critical of evangelical Christians. They talk shit about them all day. But it all comes down to this: How many white groups have above replacement fertility?

    Evangelicals, mormons, mennonites, and the amish.

    "White nationalists" and neo nazis have a fertility far below replacement I would assume.

    Ha, less derisively, play the Jew and thoroughly understand both sides!

    A TFR at or above replacement is not sufficient–but it is necessary.

    Agree re: the larpers–and the social media tyranny aside, it’s important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis–professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Agree re: the larpers–and the social media tyranny aside, it’s important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis–professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.
     
    People with a wife and lots of children, though, have busy lives to lead and don’t have time to write incoherent comments about “global anti-white conspiracy” and such. 😉
    , @iffen
    it’s important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis

    Why? For whom and for what purpose?

    –professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.

    The Dalai Lama would be ...
  295. it’s important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis–professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.

    One can love the social construction part.

  296. @Audacious Epigone
    You were missed during your brief hiatus, btw!

    Thank you for the very kind words.

  297. @Audacious Epigone
    Ha, less derisively, play the Jew and thoroughly understand both sides!

    A TFR at or above replacement is not sufficient--but it is necessary.

    Agree re: the larpers--and the social media tyranny aside, it's important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis--professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.

    Agree re: the larpers–and the social media tyranny aside, it’s important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis–professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.

    People with a wife and lots of children, though, have busy lives to lead and don’t have time to write incoherent comments about “global anti-white conspiracy” and such. 😉

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  298. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    I suspect that this poll has somehow exaggerated Hispanic animosity towards Whites (which has never struck me as overly intense). I suspect what's going on here is that a lot of people whom most Whites would perceive as Hispanic, may identify as Whites. And unsurprisingly, they are OK with White people, but since they told the pollsters they were White, their relatively harmonious viewpoint didn't get tallied under the Hispanic column. I have no evidence for this, of course, but it comports with my experience of having spent 39 years in California (1972-2011).

    That poll is out of synch with my personal experiences. I live in a very Hispanic city. My large workplace is around 80% Hispanic. I’m not feeling the animosity at all. I have felt it among blacks at different times in my life but not Hispanics…they are all nice and friendly towards me or really quiet and shy.

    Maybe it’s because there are so few liberal whites where I live (Yakima WA) but my sense is there is a much higher rate of animosity from whites towards Hispanics than the other way around. I hear negative comments from whites all the time, pretty much every day. They talk about this town as a former Leave It To Beaver type of place that completely got ruined when Mexicans moved here or “took over the town” as they say.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    Are these first or second generation? The reverse assimilation of Hispanics is well documented. I agree, at least in my personal experience with Hispanic immigrants. They have a Latin colonial attitude (ie respect for Whitey) and won't soon forget the crushing poverty they left. Plus there's the Mongoloid agreeableness. The problem is their children, at least in regards to objective measures like educational attainment/test scores, unemployment, government dependency et al. So even if they are relatively nice and respectful, and continue to be so in future generations, they're still a net drain. Plus there's the issue of diversity and social capital.

    I spent a lot of my childhood with relatives in a small town in Northern Washington and one of my relatives was also a teacher there. She said the Hispanic students were very well behaved and respectful (often better than the Anglos) but, on average, significantly underperformed.

    My high school was very Black, some Asian and a handful of Hispanics. The Hispanics I knew already internalizing the Coalition of the Fringes mentality. Hispanics may not be Blacks (much, much worse), but I predict there will be increasing White-Hispanic racial conflict in the future as White's numbers further decrease. This isn't Mexico, so the White looking elites and upper middle class can't sing Kumbaya and say "we're all Mestizos!" every time the brown underclass expresses its resentment.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    I spent some time in Wenatchee in central Washington state--a place I really enjoyed, as I've come to realize that I can't even pretend to enjoy the cosmopolitan existence--and recall how friendly Hispanics (and others in the city, too) were. Much different than in urban areas, especially in the Southwest, where I've found the standoffishness and mistrust among Hispanics to be palpable.
  299. @Truth
    I have no quarrel with this young man posting, as I sure you would have discerned, the majority of my own canon here is for my own entertainment, although, I would humbly say, that the %10 or so that I take seriously ranks favorably with that of anyone here.

    I only request that if a man (or boy, as the case may be) is going to spend an inordinate amount of time disparaging the intellect of such a high percentage of the world population, that he actually prove that he has a high intellect himself. Is this out of line?

    I have given a series of Socratic responses to his posts, meant to elicit worthwhile and intellectual response; and this point I would say that he is merely waded deeper and deeper into a quagmire of mediocrity. For instance:

    Keki: Before European and Middle Eastern influence black men almost never worked at all.

    Truth: Oh, were you alive before the European and Middle Eastern influence on Africa, or has your reading ability in Early Kushite allowed you to peruse selections from the Nubian libraries?


    The logic here, black people (allegedly according to the usual suspects) had no written language before "colonization", therefore, how does Keki know what they did before European and Arabic influence?

    Does he have some secret way of knowing what Africa was like before written language? If so I would be quite interested in knowing what it is, and one would imagine, so would countless cultural anthropologists. Now he did not start his post with "in my opinion" or, "it is probably the case that..."; no, he made the blanket statement as though he were an authority on the subject. So I treated the post with all due respect and asked him to list his credentials.

    Let's continue:

    Keki: Early Nubians weren’t Negroid lmao.

    Another simple statement of fact. Now I am not saying that it is not true, but it does contradict EVERYTHING I have ever read on the subject, encompassing history, modern-day geography, sociology and genetic studies. So If Keki knows more about this subject, than he should, in all good graces, reveal his sources.

    As it appears that he has none, my response:

    Truth: Oh, then I guess you were there

    If he has no source to prove what he presented as a fact (sealed with an "lma0" meaning, "everyone knows this except you, you idiot {my personal inference}), I could come up with only one other logical explanation: Mr. Kekistani is several hundred years old...at least... and watched a group of Europeans write the tens of thousands of volumes in the Nubian libraries, as "the original Nubians were not black."

    You see my friend, there is always a method to my madness.

    I am also a big fan of the Socratic method, but it only works if both parties are intellectually honest to the method. You want to apply it for your use, but do not respond in kind. You did not address my questions; instead you threw out spurious and nonsensical statements like this:

    Southern Nigerians are a group that scores well on intelligence measures; does that mean that you consider everyone from Southern Nigeria smart?

    In what way am I “smitten with this Afro-centrism?” I did not give any indication of my feelings on the ancient Nubians, Keki did.

    and watched a group of Europeans write the tens of thousands of volumes in the Nubian libraries, as “the original Nubians were not black.”

    Your implication that we can only have knowledge through direct observation is too far wrong to address.

    I consider myself to be a somewhat fair arbitrator here, and I think that you have failed in your attempt to take Keki down. That is not the same thing as not acknowledging that I am bored with his gross generalizations, tired rhetoric and petty race chauvinism.

    • Replies: @Truth
    What is spurious and nonsensical about what I wrote?

    As Chuk has posted in multiple links, there are a plethora of Southern Nigerians who are achieving great feats in education, this implies great intelligence, so is every Southern Nigerian smart?

    And you accused me of Afro-centrism. Please show me one example on this thread, or any other thread that implies Afro-centrism.

    I did not say that direct observation is required for knowledge, I said that the poster in question has no other proof, therefore, he must have direct observation, as his theory contradicts everything that has ever been written on the subject.

    You see, my friend, my greatest strength in life is logically progressive thought, you are not reading what I have written, you are reading what is already between your eyes, and projecting it upon what I have written. Big difference.
  300. @Audacious Epigone
    Ha, less derisively, play the Jew and thoroughly understand both sides!

    A TFR at or above replacement is not sufficient--but it is necessary.

    Agree re: the larpers--and the social media tyranny aside, it's important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis--professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.

    it’s important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis

    Why? For whom and for what purpose?

    –professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.

    The Dalai Lama would be …

    • Replies: @Rosie

    The Dalai Lama would be …
     
    Not fair. The DL is a beloved patriarchal figure who inspires and defends his people. He is the father of all Tibetans, and an uncle of all humanity. Exceptional individuals notwithstanding, the best way for most people to do their part for their race is to have children.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    For people--like most of us here--who think words should mean things!

    The Shakers burned out, too. If the formula you're running results in the extinction of the species, it's time to find a new formula!
  301. @iffen
    I am also a big fan of the Socratic method, but it only works if both parties are intellectually honest to the method. You want to apply it for your use, but do not respond in kind. You did not address my questions; instead you threw out spurious and nonsensical statements like this:

    Southern Nigerians are a group that scores well on intelligence measures; does that mean that you consider everyone from Southern Nigeria smart?

    In what way am I “smitten with this Afro-centrism?” I did not give any indication of my feelings on the ancient Nubians, Keki did.

    and watched a group of Europeans write the tens of thousands of volumes in the Nubian libraries, as “the original Nubians were not black.”
     
    Your implication that we can only have knowledge through direct observation is too far wrong to address.

    I consider myself to be a somewhat fair arbitrator here, and I think that you have failed in your attempt to take Keki down. That is not the same thing as not acknowledging that I am bored with his gross generalizations, tired rhetoric and petty race chauvinism.

    What is spurious and nonsensical about what I wrote?

    As Chuk has posted in multiple links, there are a plethora of Southern Nigerians who are achieving great feats in education, this implies great intelligence, so is every Southern Nigerian smart?

    And you accused me of Afro-centrism. Please show me one example on this thread, or any other thread that implies Afro-centrism.

    I did not say that direct observation is required for knowledge, I said that the poster in question has no other proof, therefore, he must have direct observation, as his theory contradicts everything that has ever been written on the subject.

    You see, my friend, my greatest strength in life is logically progressive thought, you are not reading what I have written, you are reading what is already between your eyes, and projecting it upon what I have written. Big difference.

    • Replies: @iffen
    And you accused me of Afro-centrism. Please show me one example on this thread, or any other thread that implies Afro-centrism.

    You write as if you think the ancient Egyptians were negroes.

    You write of the Nubian library as if it were the Great Library at Alexandria.

    so is every Southern Nigerian smart?

    I'm going to go way out on a limb and say no.
  302. @Audacious Epigone
    We are not passive spectators, or at least we need not be. But while the West is being eaten from the inside and from the outside, the East is plowing into the genomics revolution full speed ahead. They are already putting the technology into practice while we're still pretending that it's all 'pseudoscience'.

    When accused of allegedly having given up, the first thing I wonder is if my accuser is at least at replacement fertility (I'm above it). If not, then in the way that matters most, it is he who has effectively surrendered.

    Parenthetically, I'm not a white nationalist. I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea--there are several different approaches that are surely better than the trajectory we're on now--but political dissolution with power devolved as locally as possible seems to me like the best outcome for these disunited states.

    That’s a fair point about having kids.

    As for the genomics revolution, it does not look like its getting anywhere. But I did not realize that’s what you’re basing it on.

    Anyways, I just don’t understand the way so many whites are willing to throw in the towel at the first sign of trends that negatively affect the West.

    I see this kind of complacent, blase acceptance of trends on the part of white HBDers – as if we are all helpless passive spectators, as you say.

    Its really profoundly weird and disturbing.

    I cannot imagine an Englishman a few hundred years ago watching France say have a string of successes and just shrugging and complacently accepting that oh well its just going to be the French century.

    Just imagining that shows the difference between us and them.

    That is one of the reasons I consider HBD as essentially a dispiriting and fatalistic philosophy, and part of the general decadence of the West.

    Granted that there is a genetic component to performance and outcome – what is the point in focusing on it? The focus, obviously, should be on what we can change.

    The fascination with what cannot be changed is itself a weird sign of decadence. And there is positive motivation to “discover” that things can’t be changed.

    It encourages passive acceptance. Imagine a Chinese HBDer in the 19th century just accepting that white people were so much smarter and more capable than Chinese and that was simply how it was. Instead, they refused to accept the current trends and the apparently “solid facts” of the time – the exact opposite of white HBDers today.

    Anyways, I say I don’t understand but I do. All this “objective science” is really wish fulfillment – you are tired, and want to take a break. You want someone else to do the heavy lifting for a while. You willingly surrender that place to Asia – whether they are up to the task is another question. It does not seem like it.

    That is fine. Nothing can go on forever.

    You have 30 or 40 years to take a break. That’s all I’m giving. I’m counting.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    I think the focus on whether there is a genetic component to racial outcomes has to do with how we deal with these different outcomes. If there is no genetic component, then it is easier to argue that different outcomes are caused by current and past racial discrimination. If this is the case, what follows is that we may need affirmative action to give blacks higher paying jobs, welfare and even large amounts of reparations to blacks in order to make up for this current and past discrimination. However, if different outcomes either mostly have a genetic component or are due to a dysfunctional black culture then whites don't owe blacks anything other than equal treatment under the law. We are talking about extremely large sums of money either being transferred or not being transferred from whites to blacks which is why this debate is so acrimonious.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    If you're able to spare 40 minutes or so (1.5x speed), give this a listen.

    The next 'tech' revolution will be in genomics. The West if risibly prudish and Luddite about the whole thing. If anything comes of it, we are going to get our clocks cleaned. We'll be as far behind China in 2056 as China was behind the West in 1956.
  303. @Jay Fink
    That poll is out of synch with my personal experiences. I live in a very Hispanic city. My large workplace is around 80% Hispanic. I'm not feeling the animosity at all. I have felt it among blacks at different times in my life but not Hispanics...they are all nice and friendly towards me or really quiet and shy.

    Maybe it's because there are so few liberal whites where I live (Yakima WA) but my sense is there is a much higher rate of animosity from whites towards Hispanics than the other way around. I hear negative comments from whites all the time, pretty much every day. They talk about this town as a former Leave It To Beaver type of place that completely got ruined when Mexicans moved here or "took over the town" as they say.

    Are these first or second generation? The reverse assimilation of Hispanics is well documented. I agree, at least in my personal experience with Hispanic immigrants. They have a Latin colonial attitude (ie respect for Whitey) and won’t soon forget the crushing poverty they left. Plus there’s the Mongoloid agreeableness. The problem is their children, at least in regards to objective measures like educational attainment/test scores, unemployment, government dependency et al. So even if they are relatively nice and respectful, and continue to be so in future generations, they’re still a net drain. Plus there’s the issue of diversity and social capital.

    I spent a lot of my childhood with relatives in a small town in Northern Washington and one of my relatives was also a teacher there. She said the Hispanic students were very well behaved and respectful (often better than the Anglos) but, on average, significantly underperformed.

    My high school was very Black, some Asian and a handful of Hispanics. The Hispanics I knew already internalizing the Coalition of the Fringes mentality. Hispanics may not be Blacks (much, much worse), but I predict there will be increasing White-Hispanic racial conflict in the future as White’s numbers further decrease. This isn’t Mexico, so the White looking elites and upper middle class can’t sing Kumbaya and say “we’re all Mestizos!” every time the brown underclass expresses its resentment.

  304. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power.
     
    I was hoping that you would give it a stab. The best way I can describe it is simply "the spirit burning inside the true white man". I'll think of improvements.

    The important thing is not to let people like Sailer, Derb, Karlin, Epigone – the white HBDers – don the mantle of promoters of Western civilization and it’s recovery.
     
    There's a reason that they - along with Shapiro, Crowder, Beck et al. are not getting purged from social media. They don't represent a threat to the global anti-white order. Is Steve making 5 articles a day gently poking fun at the racial nonsense going to rebirth our spirit? Is obsessing over IQ? We don't even have the highest IQ!

    The reason Alex Jones was banned was because he shows *spirit*. He shows pure, raw, unadulterated passion for the things white men care about. It doesn't matter that he was going on about gay frogs. The spirit is contagious. Ditto with Jared Taylor. Look in Taylor's eyes. That guy has a white-hot fire churning around underneath his calm exterior. Another threat.

    If European man has disconnected himself from the unconscious too much, and strives to be rational and conscious 100% of the time, his emotions will wither.
     
    Not sure this is accurate. The people most destructive to society today are not rational. The homosexuals, the feminists, the transsexuals, the racial equalists. You can argue rationally with them and it doesn't work.

    The first thing you notice about the group of white HBDers I mentioned above is their lack of emotional intensity, their amiability and affability, the sense they exude of there being no serious emotion behind their writings.
     
    That happens with just about every boomer around. They have no purpose to their life so they hold being "nice" and "friendly" to the highest standard. With Steve though I get the sense that he's also trying to make light out of a bad situation. Like the meme where the neutral wojack mask is covering up the crying wojack. Proving his indifference as a coping mechanism.

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power
     
    I was kind of more critiquing average whites. Go to a high school and see how soft and malleable most of the white students are. It's pathetic. They need to be hit multiple times in the head.

    Asia will become more and more committed to 100% conscious rationality all the time
     
    Sure, East Asians, but I'm much more worried about the South Asians who have flooded our countries.

    I expect major changes by mid century.
     
    I hope so. What kind of spiritual nourishment do we need to wake up?

    Is Christianity the answer? It's possible. The evangelical church is there place where I find 80% of the people there have this energy. It really creates quite a magical feeling. You can almost see it. I find it strange that evangelicals are attacked so hard when it's literally the only place I've ever seen that a) has an above replacement white fertility, b) is full of successful, middle/upper class whites and c) maintains that white, NW-euro spirit. Maybe it's not the answer, but it's the closest I've found so far. It certainly beats the pagan Neo-Nazi larpers who neither reproduce, make money, nor have the spirit.

    I’m sort of channelling Carl Jung here, but I’ve been reading him lately and I think his theories really do shed light on what’s happening and are very similar to religion.

    You are right that the crazy people today are leftists, but according to Jungian theory if you suppress one side of life too much it tends to explode in unhealthy ways. So modern Western cultures attempt to suppress the unconscious and the imagination, and to become 100% rational and conscious and self controlled all the time, led to the crazy explosion of unhealthy irrationality that defines recent culture.

    As well, if you try and suppress emotion and the imagination completely, as the modern scientific West did, then you divide yourself into two, you are no longer a complete or whole man, and thus you are much weaker.

    That is why I think we cannot carry on.

    Is Christianity the answer? Theoretically it can be, but it doesn’t look like it. The important thing is to open up again to the unconscious, to the imagination, to religion, to God, a higher power, etc, and become whole and complete people again. The precise form this will take is unclear yet.

    Fatalistic doctrines like HBD are just of the rationalistic disease we are suffering from.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Re: HBD, genes aren't predestiny--but they are probability.
  305. @AaronB
    That's a fair point about having kids.

    As for the genomics revolution, it does not look like its getting anywhere. But I did not realize that's what you're basing it on.

    Anyways, I just don't understand the way so many whites are willing to throw in the towel at the first sign of trends that negatively affect the West.

    I see this kind of complacent, blase acceptance of trends on the part of white HBDers - as if we are all helpless passive spectators, as you say.

    Its really profoundly weird and disturbing.

    I cannot imagine an Englishman a few hundred years ago watching France say have a string of successes and just shrugging and complacently accepting that oh well its just going to be the French century.

    Just imagining that shows the difference between us and them.

    That is one of the reasons I consider HBD as essentially a dispiriting and fatalistic philosophy, and part of the general decadence of the West.

    Granted that there is a genetic component to performance and outcome - what is the point in focusing on it? The focus, obviously, should be on what we can change.

    The fascination with what cannot be changed is itself a weird sign of decadence. And there is positive motivation to "discover" that things can't be changed.

    It encourages passive acceptance. Imagine a Chinese HBDer in the 19th century just accepting that white people were so much smarter and more capable than Chinese and that was simply how it was. Instead, they refused to accept the current trends and the apparently "solid facts" of the time - the exact opposite of white HBDers today.

    Anyways, I say I don't understand but I do. All this "objective science" is really wish fulfillment - you are tired, and want to take a break. You want someone else to do the heavy lifting for a while. You willingly surrender that place to Asia - whether they are up to the task is another question. It does not seem like it.

    That is fine. Nothing can go on forever.

    You have 30 or 40 years to take a break. That's all I'm giving. I'm counting.

    I think the focus on whether there is a genetic component to racial outcomes has to do with how we deal with these different outcomes. If there is no genetic component, then it is easier to argue that different outcomes are caused by current and past racial discrimination. If this is the case, what follows is that we may need affirmative action to give blacks higher paying jobs, welfare and even large amounts of reparations to blacks in order to make up for this current and past discrimination. However, if different outcomes either mostly have a genetic component or are due to a dysfunctional black culture then whites don’t owe blacks anything other than equal treatment under the law. We are talking about extremely large sums of money either being transferred or not being transferred from whites to blacks which is why this debate is so acrimonious.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @AaronB
    Mark, even if you proved the genetics of it they would find other reasons.

    I think you are naively thinking that they are reasonable people acting in good faith, who can be stopped if they are just shown evidence.

    Anyways, I think we can take it as a given that there is a genetic component. So that debate is over.

    Now, we should start focusing on what is possible rather than trying to set limits. Why this obsession with setting limits? Its a sign of decadence.

    We know for a fact that outcomes depend on motivation. We know the West lost faith in its civilization.

    We know people don't compete as well if they are not motivated.

    We know that Asians and Jews are very motivated, and have not lost faith in their civilization.

    This puts you at a disadvantage.

    Asians and Jews try and motivate people in their communities by telling them performance is mostly about effort - whites tell people in their communities effort is not a big factor.

    Who has the better message?
  306. @Mark G.
    I think the focus on whether there is a genetic component to racial outcomes has to do with how we deal with these different outcomes. If there is no genetic component, then it is easier to argue that different outcomes are caused by current and past racial discrimination. If this is the case, what follows is that we may need affirmative action to give blacks higher paying jobs, welfare and even large amounts of reparations to blacks in order to make up for this current and past discrimination. However, if different outcomes either mostly have a genetic component or are due to a dysfunctional black culture then whites don't owe blacks anything other than equal treatment under the law. We are talking about extremely large sums of money either being transferred or not being transferred from whites to blacks which is why this debate is so acrimonious.

    Mark, even if you proved the genetics of it they would find other reasons.

    I think you are naively thinking that they are reasonable people acting in good faith, who can be stopped if they are just shown evidence.

    Anyways, I think we can take it as a given that there is a genetic component. So that debate is over.

    Now, we should start focusing on what is possible rather than trying to set limits. Why this obsession with setting limits? Its a sign of decadence.

    We know for a fact that outcomes depend on motivation. We know the West lost faith in its civilization.

    We know people don’t compete as well if they are not motivated.

    We know that Asians and Jews are very motivated, and have not lost faith in their civilization.

    This puts you at a disadvantage.

    Asians and Jews try and motivate people in their communities by telling them performance is mostly about effort – whites tell people in their communities effort is not a big factor.

    Who has the better message?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Asians and Jews try and motivate people in their communities by telling them performance is mostly about effort – whites tell people in their communities effort is not a big factor.
     
    Pew has data on Asian vs. white on effort. Where do you see the relevant data on Jews?
  307. @iffen
    it’s important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis

    Why? For whom and for what purpose?

    –professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.

    The Dalai Lama would be ...

    The Dalai Lama would be …

    Not fair. The DL is a beloved patriarchal figure who inspires and defends his people. He is the father of all Tibetans, and an uncle of all humanity. Exceptional individuals notwithstanding, the best way for most people to do their part for their race is to have children.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Not fair.

    Not fair!

    You know what's not fair, Rosie. Every little girl doesn't get a glass slipper that fits. That's the frigging definition of not fair.

    the best way for most people to do their part for their race is to have children.

    So we are all eating Nigerian dust.

  308. “More importantly, I think a lot of non-whites hate whites because lots of whites not only willingly permit them to do so but encourage and join in on it.”

    Just what do you think you should or can do about being disliked. I would encourage you to handle being disliked in the same manner most people are disliked. Accept that some people won’t like you, regardless of their skin color.

    _____

    To the description regarding out of work blacks in Italy, you might want take look at the history of Italy and blacks before concluding that blacks lack creative skills.

    As for the woes of the west, the power structure continues to dismantle the “american enterprise” with help from blacks. As long as you make an enemy of your citizens for the gain of a select few . . . skin color is the least of your worries.

    As for attitudes of blacks, those hear making hay should stop pretennding that the seed of discord in inherent in black people. It’s the direct result of policies and treatment of an population. It’s a child’s mind that pretends they can throw sticks and stones, much less words. And then act shocked, dismayed and offended that tagets of :-\ h treatment hold one the actors with suspicion, distrust even hostility.

    It’s more of a

    “Well duh.”

  309. Up until the 1960’s. When most blacks spent their efforts being politically correct and doing their utmost, bending over backwards doing back flips to prove themselves. – keeping a grip on rousers like Pastor Johns, things were relatively cozy. Then came the 1960’s when fewer and fewer blacks opted to avoid making whites angry in spite of the costs – the dominant population was caught off guard and responded with force to get the “dairies in line.”

    But as with all policies that rely soly onforce, it where’s tbin. And with video, Rodney King for example, the general public got a close up view of reality. Audio recordings of police conversations from across the country shocked even whites. And the argument that maltreatmnent of blacks was in their heads – As it turned out not so much. And the police were the symptom not real.y the problem.

    The very foundation’s of white benevolence cracked if not all but crumbled 7need the weight of those realities. Force can of course be the response of choice. And whites tired of the problems of their own maKing can band together to bandage up old tropes of power maintenance. But I think what has h,appened is whiteness itself has proven bankrupt or at least flwed means of cause to be in control.

    I love Moonlight Sonata. But 1000 Beethovens simply don’t matter if covers a fraudulent foundation of moral superiority. It matters not wit how creative you are if your only tenure of control is power and worse if you abuse the honor.

  310. • Replies: @iffen
    And people say stupidity can't be fixed.
    , @EastKekistani
    Moral of the story: Do not visit any Southeast Asian country other than Singapore and Taiwan. We NE Asians can guarantee that tourists, white or not, are unlikely to be raped, murdered or otherwise harmed. SEAs can not. Enter their territories at your own risk.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    From the article:

    “Our fear is that this will happen to others who have a warm heart like her.”

    An admonition for the entire Western world.
  311. @Rosie

    The Dalai Lama would be …
     
    Not fair. The DL is a beloved patriarchal figure who inspires and defends his people. He is the father of all Tibetans, and an uncle of all humanity. Exceptional individuals notwithstanding, the best way for most people to do their part for their race is to have children.

    Not fair.

    Not fair!

    You know what’s not fair, Rosie. Every little girl doesn’t get a glass slipper that fits. That’s the frigging definition of not fair.

    the best way for most people to do their part for their race is to have children.

    So we are all eating Nigerian dust.

  312. @Truth
    What is spurious and nonsensical about what I wrote?

    As Chuk has posted in multiple links, there are a plethora of Southern Nigerians who are achieving great feats in education, this implies great intelligence, so is every Southern Nigerian smart?

    And you accused me of Afro-centrism. Please show me one example on this thread, or any other thread that implies Afro-centrism.

    I did not say that direct observation is required for knowledge, I said that the poster in question has no other proof, therefore, he must have direct observation, as his theory contradicts everything that has ever been written on the subject.

    You see, my friend, my greatest strength in life is logically progressive thought, you are not reading what I have written, you are reading what is already between your eyes, and projecting it upon what I have written. Big difference.

    And you accused me of Afro-centrism. Please show me one example on this thread, or any other thread that implies Afro-centrism.

    You write as if you think the ancient Egyptians were negroes.

    You write of the Nubian library as if it were the Great Library at Alexandria.

    so is every Southern Nigerian smart?

    I’m going to go way out on a limb and say no.

    • Replies: @Truth
    You see, my friend, for some reason I have been coming to this site for over a decade, and periodically, people get vexed at me for ridiculing and making jokes. They ask when I will make a serious response. Basically I have always answered that this is simply not a good use of my time, a toss off an insult, get a chuckle and leave.

    So why is this a waste of my time?

    Well, quite simply, you cannot "debate" with someone who has rudimentary reading skills. Again, as with Keki, I will go back and make my point, and maybe the light will come on.


    Are you making a blanket claim that “you people” are more consistent than others?
     
    Please show me where I made that claim.


    Not germane as I see it. He claims membership in the E. Asian group that as a group scores well on intelligence measures.
     
    So, even disregarding the possibility that he is lying, I should respect the intellect of some teenager ONLINE because he claims to be Chinese? Because, in your opinion, everyone Chinese is smart.


    Exactly to what degree are you smitten with this Afro-centrism?
     
    Exactly where did I write anything that referenced, or implied Afro-centrism?

    You want to apply it for your use, but do not respond in kind. You did not address my questions;
     
    As I feel that I have proven above, I did not respond to your questions, because none of them have anything to do with what I have written. Your questions are completely non-sequitur and it is as if you are typing your responses whilst being distracted by a conversation with someone else in your living room.


    Your implication that we can only have knowledge through direct observation is too far wrong to address.
     
    This is a clear illogical syllogism as I have already addressed.


    I consider myself to be a somewhat fair arbitrator here, and I think that you have failed in your attempt to take Keki down
     
    I don't need to take Keki down; he ain't up. This is a silly kid who spent a few years getting shoved into lockers, and in response, now throws around pejoratives in the same manner as a 12 year-old making faces when his daddy has his back turned.


    You write as if you think the ancient Egyptians were negroes.
     
    Straw man alert, I this subject was never broached.


    You write of the Nubian library as if it were the Great Library at Alexandria.
     
    Well no, I do not. It was Keki himself who gave his "quite valuable" seal of approval to the Nubian library by saying that it could not have been created by blacks.

    Now Old Sport, I am not trying to be mean when I say this, Keki has an excuse for his foolishness. As I have written a few times, I can lean upon my experience to come up with an theory about him in which I feel comfortable, he is not old enough to vote, or if so, just barely.

    From what I remember about you, you are well into your 60's. This is a whole different scenario. There are many places, including this site, where you can find someone to debate, "who better? black or white," 1950's issues. You just can't do it with me. I am much more interested in the 200 layers of subtext beneath these arguments, so I will have to tap out of this "debate" here.

    I feel strongly that it is never too late to improve, so let me leave you with two pieces of advice that should help facilitate improvement:

    1- Take a hammer and smash every tell-lie-vision in your home. It has literally made you into a somewhat simple automaton.

    2- Order a copy of this book, read it, and then read it again...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_a_Book

    Good luck, Old Sport, the world is wide open, even at your age, if you choose to open your eyes.
  313. @Rosie
    Speaking of loving your race... RIP, sister.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/tourist-dies-rabies-stray-dog-philippines.amp

    And people say stupidity can’t be fixed.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    And people say stupidity can’t be fixed.
     
    Go to hell.
  314. @baythoven
    Things have changed since 2011. A significant increase in Hispanic animosity during this decade. (My experience having spent the years 1974-2019 in California.)

    Things have changed since 2011. A significant increase in Hispanic animosity during this decade. (My experience having spent the years 1974-2019 in California.)

    I wouldn’t rule that out. I’ve been watching California from afar these last eight years, and it does look like things have gotten a lot worse of many levels, and at a strangely rapid pace. I haven’t seen any headlines decrying increased animosity directed at Whites, among California’s Hispanic population…but that’s not the sort of thing the normie press would report on, is it?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  315. @AaronB
    Mark, even if you proved the genetics of it they would find other reasons.

    I think you are naively thinking that they are reasonable people acting in good faith, who can be stopped if they are just shown evidence.

    Anyways, I think we can take it as a given that there is a genetic component. So that debate is over.

    Now, we should start focusing on what is possible rather than trying to set limits. Why this obsession with setting limits? Its a sign of decadence.

    We know for a fact that outcomes depend on motivation. We know the West lost faith in its civilization.

    We know people don't compete as well if they are not motivated.

    We know that Asians and Jews are very motivated, and have not lost faith in their civilization.

    This puts you at a disadvantage.

    Asians and Jews try and motivate people in their communities by telling them performance is mostly about effort - whites tell people in their communities effort is not a big factor.

    Who has the better message?

    Asians and Jews try and motivate people in their communities by telling them performance is mostly about effort – whites tell people in their communities effort is not a big factor.

    Pew has data on Asian vs. white on effort. Where do you see the relevant data on Jews?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    Anecdotal honestly. Lots of Jewish friends.
  316. @iffen
    And people say stupidity can't be fixed.

    And people say stupidity can’t be fixed.

    Go to hell.

  317. @Twinkie

    Asians and Jews try and motivate people in their communities by telling them performance is mostly about effort – whites tell people in their communities effort is not a big factor.
     
    Pew has data on Asian vs. white on effort. Where do you see the relevant data on Jews?

    Anecdotal honestly. Lots of Jewish friends.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    That, unfortunately, is highly unreliable and suffers from selection bias among other problems.
  318. @AaronB
    Anecdotal honestly. Lots of Jewish friends.

    That, unfortunately, is highly unreliable and suffers from selection bias among other problems.

  319. @iffen
    And you accused me of Afro-centrism. Please show me one example on this thread, or any other thread that implies Afro-centrism.

    You write as if you think the ancient Egyptians were negroes.

    You write of the Nubian library as if it were the Great Library at Alexandria.

    so is every Southern Nigerian smart?

    I'm going to go way out on a limb and say no.

    You see, my friend, for some reason I have been coming to this site for over a decade, and periodically, people get vexed at me for ridiculing and making jokes. They ask when I will make a serious response. Basically I have always answered that this is simply not a good use of my time, a toss off an insult, get a chuckle and leave.

    So why is this a waste of my time?

    Well, quite simply, you cannot “debate” with someone who has rudimentary reading skills. Again, as with Keki, I will go back and make my point, and maybe the light will come on.

    Are you making a blanket claim that “you people” are more consistent than others?

    Please show me where I made that claim.

    Not germane as I see it. He claims membership in the E. Asian group that as a group scores well on intelligence measures.

    So, even disregarding the possibility that he is lying, I should respect the intellect of some teenager ONLINE because he claims to be Chinese? Because, in your opinion, everyone Chinese is smart.

    Exactly to what degree are you smitten with this Afro-centrism?

    Exactly where did I write anything that referenced, or implied Afro-centrism?

    You want to apply it for your use, but do not respond in kind. You did not address my questions;

    As I feel that I have proven above, I did not respond to your questions, because none of them have anything to do with what I have written. Your questions are completely non-sequitur and it is as if you are typing your responses whilst being distracted by a conversation with someone else in your living room.

    Your implication that we can only have knowledge through direct observation is too far wrong to address.

    This is a clear illogical syllogism as I have already addressed.

    I consider myself to be a somewhat fair arbitrator here, and I think that you have failed in your attempt to take Keki down

    I don’t need to take Keki down; he ain’t up. This is a silly kid who spent a few years getting shoved into lockers, and in response, now throws around pejoratives in the same manner as a 12 year-old making faces when his daddy has his back turned.

    You write as if you think the ancient Egyptians were negroes.

    Straw man alert, I this subject was never broached.

    You write of the Nubian library as if it were the Great Library at Alexandria.

    Well no, I do not. It was Keki himself who gave his “quite valuable” seal of approval to the Nubian library by saying that it could not have been created by blacks.

    Now Old Sport, I am not trying to be mean when I say this, Keki has an excuse for his foolishness. As I have written a few times, I can lean upon my experience to come up with an theory about him in which I feel comfortable, he is not old enough to vote, or if so, just barely.

    From what I remember about you, you are well into your 60’s. This is a whole different scenario. There are many places, including this site, where you can find someone to debate, “who better? black or white,” 1950’s issues. You just can’t do it with me. I am much more interested in the 200 layers of subtext beneath these arguments, so I will have to tap out of this “debate” here.

    I feel strongly that it is never too late to improve, so let me leave you with two pieces of advice that should help facilitate improvement:

    1- Take a hammer and smash every tell-lie-vision in your home. It has literally made you into a somewhat simple automaton.

    2- Order a copy of this book, read it, and then read it again…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_a_Book

    Good luck, Old Sport, the world is wide open, even at your age, if you choose to open your eyes.

    • Replies: @iffen
    I think that I should have stayed with the okay reply.

    I read some writers at the Unz and some comments. Like you I enjoy the entertainment, but unlike you I also learn a thing or two every now and then.

    Thanks for the advice, it will be filed in the appropriate space.
  320. Correction

    As for the woes of the west, the power structure continues to dismantle the “american enterprise” with no help from blacks.

  321. @Truth
    You see, my friend, for some reason I have been coming to this site for over a decade, and periodically, people get vexed at me for ridiculing and making jokes. They ask when I will make a serious response. Basically I have always answered that this is simply not a good use of my time, a toss off an insult, get a chuckle and leave.

    So why is this a waste of my time?

    Well, quite simply, you cannot "debate" with someone who has rudimentary reading skills. Again, as with Keki, I will go back and make my point, and maybe the light will come on.


    Are you making a blanket claim that “you people” are more consistent than others?
     
    Please show me where I made that claim.


    Not germane as I see it. He claims membership in the E. Asian group that as a group scores well on intelligence measures.
     
    So, even disregarding the possibility that he is lying, I should respect the intellect of some teenager ONLINE because he claims to be Chinese? Because, in your opinion, everyone Chinese is smart.


    Exactly to what degree are you smitten with this Afro-centrism?
     
    Exactly where did I write anything that referenced, or implied Afro-centrism?

    You want to apply it for your use, but do not respond in kind. You did not address my questions;
     
    As I feel that I have proven above, I did not respond to your questions, because none of them have anything to do with what I have written. Your questions are completely non-sequitur and it is as if you are typing your responses whilst being distracted by a conversation with someone else in your living room.


    Your implication that we can only have knowledge through direct observation is too far wrong to address.
     
    This is a clear illogical syllogism as I have already addressed.


    I consider myself to be a somewhat fair arbitrator here, and I think that you have failed in your attempt to take Keki down
     
    I don't need to take Keki down; he ain't up. This is a silly kid who spent a few years getting shoved into lockers, and in response, now throws around pejoratives in the same manner as a 12 year-old making faces when his daddy has his back turned.


    You write as if you think the ancient Egyptians were negroes.
     
    Straw man alert, I this subject was never broached.


    You write of the Nubian library as if it were the Great Library at Alexandria.
     
    Well no, I do not. It was Keki himself who gave his "quite valuable" seal of approval to the Nubian library by saying that it could not have been created by blacks.

    Now Old Sport, I am not trying to be mean when I say this, Keki has an excuse for his foolishness. As I have written a few times, I can lean upon my experience to come up with an theory about him in which I feel comfortable, he is not old enough to vote, or if so, just barely.

    From what I remember about you, you are well into your 60's. This is a whole different scenario. There are many places, including this site, where you can find someone to debate, "who better? black or white," 1950's issues. You just can't do it with me. I am much more interested in the 200 layers of subtext beneath these arguments, so I will have to tap out of this "debate" here.

    I feel strongly that it is never too late to improve, so let me leave you with two pieces of advice that should help facilitate improvement:

    1- Take a hammer and smash every tell-lie-vision in your home. It has literally made you into a somewhat simple automaton.

    2- Order a copy of this book, read it, and then read it again...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_a_Book

    Good luck, Old Sport, the world is wide open, even at your age, if you choose to open your eyes.

    I think that I should have stayed with the okay reply.

    I read some writers at the Unz and some comments. Like you I enjoy the entertainment, but unlike you I also learn a thing or two every now and then.

    Thanks for the advice, it will be filed in the appropriate space.

  322. @Rosie
    Speaking of loving your race... RIP, sister.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/tourist-dies-rabies-stray-dog-philippines.amp

    Moral of the story: Do not visit any Southeast Asian country other than Singapore and Taiwan. We NE Asians can guarantee that tourists, white or not, are unlikely to be raped, murdered or otherwise harmed. SEAs can not. Enter their territories at your own risk.

  323. @Jay Fink
    That poll is out of synch with my personal experiences. I live in a very Hispanic city. My large workplace is around 80% Hispanic. I'm not feeling the animosity at all. I have felt it among blacks at different times in my life but not Hispanics...they are all nice and friendly towards me or really quiet and shy.

    Maybe it's because there are so few liberal whites where I live (Yakima WA) but my sense is there is a much higher rate of animosity from whites towards Hispanics than the other way around. I hear negative comments from whites all the time, pretty much every day. They talk about this town as a former Leave It To Beaver type of place that completely got ruined when Mexicans moved here or "took over the town" as they say.

    I spent some time in Wenatchee in central Washington state–a place I really enjoyed, as I’ve come to realize that I can’t even pretend to enjoy the cosmopolitan existence–and recall how friendly Hispanics (and others in the city, too) were. Much different than in urban areas, especially in the Southwest, where I’ve found the standoffishness and mistrust among Hispanics to be palpable.

  324. @iffen
    it’s important to distinguish between white nationalists and neo-nazis

    Why? For whom and for what purpose?

    –professing a love for your race without continuing it is masturbatory.

    The Dalai Lama would be ...

    For people–like most of us here–who think words should mean things!

    The Shakers burned out, too. If the formula you’re running results in the extinction of the species, it’s time to find a new formula!

  325. @AaronB
    That's a fair point about having kids.

    As for the genomics revolution, it does not look like its getting anywhere. But I did not realize that's what you're basing it on.

    Anyways, I just don't understand the way so many whites are willing to throw in the towel at the first sign of trends that negatively affect the West.

    I see this kind of complacent, blase acceptance of trends on the part of white HBDers - as if we are all helpless passive spectators, as you say.

    Its really profoundly weird and disturbing.

    I cannot imagine an Englishman a few hundred years ago watching France say have a string of successes and just shrugging and complacently accepting that oh well its just going to be the French century.

    Just imagining that shows the difference between us and them.

    That is one of the reasons I consider HBD as essentially a dispiriting and fatalistic philosophy, and part of the general decadence of the West.

    Granted that there is a genetic component to performance and outcome - what is the point in focusing on it? The focus, obviously, should be on what we can change.

    The fascination with what cannot be changed is itself a weird sign of decadence. And there is positive motivation to "discover" that things can't be changed.

    It encourages passive acceptance. Imagine a Chinese HBDer in the 19th century just accepting that white people were so much smarter and more capable than Chinese and that was simply how it was. Instead, they refused to accept the current trends and the apparently "solid facts" of the time - the exact opposite of white HBDers today.

    Anyways, I say I don't understand but I do. All this "objective science" is really wish fulfillment - you are tired, and want to take a break. You want someone else to do the heavy lifting for a while. You willingly surrender that place to Asia - whether they are up to the task is another question. It does not seem like it.

    That is fine. Nothing can go on forever.

    You have 30 or 40 years to take a break. That's all I'm giving. I'm counting.

    If you’re able to spare 40 minutes or so (1.5x speed), give this a listen.

    The next ‘tech’ revolution will be in genomics. The West if risibly prudish and Luddite about the whole thing. If anything comes of it, we are going to get our clocks cleaned. We’ll be as far behind China in 2056 as China was behind the West in 1956.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    is* risibly prudish
  326. @AaronB
    I'm sort of channelling Carl Jung here, but I've been reading him lately and I think his theories really do shed light on what's happening and are very similar to religion.

    You are right that the crazy people today are leftists, but according to Jungian theory if you suppress one side of life too much it tends to explode in unhealthy ways. So modern Western cultures attempt to suppress the unconscious and the imagination, and to become 100% rational and conscious and self controlled all the time, led to the crazy explosion of unhealthy irrationality that defines recent culture.

    As well, if you try and suppress emotion and the imagination completely, as the modern scientific West did, then you divide yourself into two, you are no longer a complete or whole man, and thus you are much weaker.

    That is why I think we cannot carry on.

    Is Christianity the answer? Theoretically it can be, but it doesn't look like it. The important thing is to open up again to the unconscious, to the imagination, to religion, to God, a higher power, etc, and become whole and complete people again. The precise form this will take is unclear yet.

    Fatalistic doctrines like HBD are just of the rationalistic disease we are suffering from.

    Re: HBD, genes aren’t predestiny–but they are probability.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @AaronB
    By undervaluing the psychic element you put yourself at a severe disadvantage.

    I have personally seen properly motivated people vastly exceed what they had thought themselves capable of.

    What is more, when differences in group performance are rather modest, as it is between Asians and whites, its natural to look at motivation and other psychic factors as potential causes. When one does so, one immediately notices that Western civilization is in a crisis, and Asian civilization is driven by a desire to "pove itself". They are at opposite poles.

    How one can fail to factor this in when assessing the "innate" potential of each group is utterly baffling - it only ceases to be so when you realize it is a wish fulfillment fantasy and not a real attempt to understand underlying realities.

    I have asked this of every HBDer and never gotten a serious response - since "crystallized" performance is motivation plus innate ability, and motivation cannot be assessed with any precision and depends on a complex range of factors that are often "supra-personal" (recent historical trauma, shifts in communal culture, level of communal religiosity, etc), how can anyone make fairly precise claims about "innate" ability?

    Look, I understand you won't answer this either, because it is unanswerable.

    We are here in the field of "myths" - white HBDers are constructing a myth that reflects their inner desire to shuffle off the burden of competing and making advances.

    This is not necessarily wrong, but it is obviously impervious to logic and facts, so no amount of logical demonstration on my part will have any impact on what is essentially an emerging myth reflective of an inner emotional state of exhaustion.

    So - I give you 30 years to rest up, lick your wounds, and rejoin the frat, AE. Tops.
  327. @Rosie
    Speaking of loving your race... RIP, sister.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/tourist-dies-rabies-stray-dog-philippines.amp

    From the article:

    “Our fear is that this will happen to others who have a warm heart like her.”

    An admonition for the entire Western world.

  328. @Audacious Epigone
    If you're able to spare 40 minutes or so (1.5x speed), give this a listen.

    The next 'tech' revolution will be in genomics. The West if risibly prudish and Luddite about the whole thing. If anything comes of it, we are going to get our clocks cleaned. We'll be as far behind China in 2056 as China was behind the West in 1956.

    is* risibly prudish

  329. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power.
     
    I was hoping that you would give it a stab. The best way I can describe it is simply "the spirit burning inside the true white man". I'll think of improvements.

    The important thing is not to let people like Sailer, Derb, Karlin, Epigone – the white HBDers – don the mantle of promoters of Western civilization and it’s recovery.
     
    There's a reason that they - along with Shapiro, Crowder, Beck et al. are not getting purged from social media. They don't represent a threat to the global anti-white order. Is Steve making 5 articles a day gently poking fun at the racial nonsense going to rebirth our spirit? Is obsessing over IQ? We don't even have the highest IQ!

    The reason Alex Jones was banned was because he shows *spirit*. He shows pure, raw, unadulterated passion for the things white men care about. It doesn't matter that he was going on about gay frogs. The spirit is contagious. Ditto with Jared Taylor. Look in Taylor's eyes. That guy has a white-hot fire churning around underneath his calm exterior. Another threat.

    If European man has disconnected himself from the unconscious too much, and strives to be rational and conscious 100% of the time, his emotions will wither.
     
    Not sure this is accurate. The people most destructive to society today are not rational. The homosexuals, the feminists, the transsexuals, the racial equalists. You can argue rationally with them and it doesn't work.

    The first thing you notice about the group of white HBDers I mentioned above is their lack of emotional intensity, their amiability and affability, the sense they exude of there being no serious emotion behind their writings.
     
    That happens with just about every boomer around. They have no purpose to their life so they hold being "nice" and "friendly" to the highest standard. With Steve though I get the sense that he's also trying to make light out of a bad situation. Like the meme where the neutral wojack mask is covering up the crying wojack. Proving his indifference as a coping mechanism.

    The first thing is simply to notice and describe this loss of will to power
     
    I was kind of more critiquing average whites. Go to a high school and see how soft and malleable most of the white students are. It's pathetic. They need to be hit multiple times in the head.

    Asia will become more and more committed to 100% conscious rationality all the time
     
    Sure, East Asians, but I'm much more worried about the South Asians who have flooded our countries.

    I expect major changes by mid century.
     
    I hope so. What kind of spiritual nourishment do we need to wake up?

    Is Christianity the answer? It's possible. The evangelical church is there place where I find 80% of the people there have this energy. It really creates quite a magical feeling. You can almost see it. I find it strange that evangelicals are attacked so hard when it's literally the only place I've ever seen that a) has an above replacement white fertility, b) is full of successful, middle/upper class whites and c) maintains that white, NW-euro spirit. Maybe it's not the answer, but it's the closest I've found so far. It certainly beats the pagan Neo-Nazi larpers who neither reproduce, make money, nor have the spirit.

    I find it strange that evangelicals are attacked so hard when it’s literally the only place I’ve ever seen that a) has an above replacement white fertility, b) is full of successful, middle/upper class whites and c) maintains that white, NW-euro spirit.

    It probably has to do with this.

    https://homeschoolersanonymous.org/2016/05/20/that-christian-man-selling-child-training-whips-is-back/

  330. @Audacious Epigone
    Re: HBD, genes aren't predestiny--but they are probability.

    By undervaluing the psychic element you put yourself at a severe disadvantage.

    I have personally seen properly motivated people vastly exceed what they had thought themselves capable of.

    What is more, when differences in group performance are rather modest, as it is between Asians and whites, its natural to look at motivation and other psychic factors as potential causes. When one does so, one immediately notices that Western civilization is in a crisis, and Asian civilization is driven by a desire to “pove itself”. They are at opposite poles.

    How one can fail to factor this in when assessing the “innate” potential of each group is utterly baffling – it only ceases to be so when you realize it is a wish fulfillment fantasy and not a real attempt to understand underlying realities.

    I have asked this of every HBDer and never gotten a serious response – since “crystallized” performance is motivation plus innate ability, and motivation cannot be assessed with any precision and depends on a complex range of factors that are often “supra-personal” (recent historical trauma, shifts in communal culture, level of communal religiosity, etc), how can anyone make fairly precise claims about “innate” ability?

    Look, I understand you won’t answer this either, because it is unanswerable.

    We are here in the field of “myths” – white HBDers are constructing a myth that reflects their inner desire to shuffle off the burden of competing and making advances.

    This is not necessarily wrong, but it is obviously impervious to logic and facts, so no amount of logical demonstration on my part will have any impact on what is essentially an emerging myth reflective of an inner emotional state of exhaustion.

    So – I give you 30 years to rest up, lick your wounds, and rejoin the frat, AE. Tops.

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