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The claim that Biden’s edge in 2020 relative to Clinton’s in 2016 is larger in the major urban centers of the five potential flip states than in other urban areas in the rest of the country is dubious. Here they are, bolded, comparatively included in a list of geographically and politically dispersed urban counties in other states:

There doesn’t appear to be any there, there.

The recent Gateway Pundit story about Rock County, Wisconsin, is similarly not going anywhere. The glitch was in the initial swapping of the names of the candidates in vote display fields, not in the way the votes were recorded. After that was fixed, the county fell exactly in line with how its own vote and that of surrounding counties vis-a-vis 2016.

The intention here is not to be a wet blanket. It’s to sharpen the steel. If the alleged irregularity can be disproven or satisfactorily explained with a half an hour of online digging, it’s not the smoking gun we’re after.

 
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  1. t says:

    Honestly the complaints of stolen election now remind of some parts of the left in 2004(when I voted for Kerry because of of Iraq), the margin of loss is too large and this is all sour grapes. It’s not useful for building a winning coalition going forward. And part of this is that don’t think Trump is person too lead a Nationalist movement going forward.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  2. If you accept these fraudulent election results, you don’t have any stones.

  3. It was evident that there was widespread fraud in 2016 and 2012.

  4. LondonBob says:

    There are counties with clear anomalies in Wisconsin.

    https://redstate.com/scotthounsell/2020/11/09/excuse-me-while-i-call-bs-in-wisconsin-n276884

    Also Georgia.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325135291791839232.html

    Let me posit there was sophisticated computer steal using hammer and its scorecard function, which I don’t know enough about to really judge but would surely be exposed by hand counting, the Sidney Powell lady seems to endorse this. Then there was the more overt ballot stuffing and vote harvesting.

    https://davejanda.com/general-tom-mcinerney-hammers-the-deep-state-voter-fraud-operation/

  5. The intention here is not to be a wet blanket. It’s to sharpen the steel.

    Just so.

    Yet let me say this. When the state offers me a vote, but the state deliberately cancels my vote

       [a] by mass immigration and
       [b] by risible, novel election procedures designed to encourage and facilitate fraud,

    the state mocks me—irrespectively of whether I can later produce de jure evidence of fraud. I no longer care much for democracy in principle, unfortunately, but I dislike to be mocked. (Not that there is much I can do about the mockery. Compared to the state’s great sword, my steel is hardly the size of a pin.)

    Still, you are right. Whether further evidence of fraud is even needed beyond points [a] and [b] is one question; but if one chooses to seek further evidence, anyway, then one wants only sound evidence. Blatantly unsound evidence only blunts the steel’s edge, as you say.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Twinkie
  6. iffen says:

    Do any states post the numbers of mail in ballots that were disqualified because the voter also voted in person on election day?

  7. Rosie says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Yet let me say this. When the state offers me a vote, but the state deliberately cancels my vote

    [a] by mass immigration and
    [b] by risible, novel election procedures designed to encourage and facilitate fraud,

    This. There are layers upon layers of trickery and deceit, and therefore legitimacy issues, whether there was any cheating on election day or not. The establishment effectively stole the last election hounding Trump with the Russia conspiracy, thus undermining his ability to win reelection by following through on his promises. Then there’s the fact of the media bias. I think I heard that only 3 major newspapers endorsed him. There is no justification whatsoever for a media that biased against the man who got 6o+ million votes. Moreiver, the Democrats outspent Trump by 2:1, and still, barely squeaked out a victory under a best case scenario.

    To add insult to injury, Buttigieg comes out and tells Republican Senators that to oppose Biden’s agenda would be to defy the will of the people! The chutzpah is something else.

  8. I appreciate the article the urban data was interesting to note. You mean those darn city people voted for the current executive as well — who’d a thunk.

    —————————————

    ” It’s not useful for building a winning coalition going forward. And part of this is that don’t think Trump is person too lead a Nationalist movement going forward.”

    Nonsense, people have worked others who’ve engaged in unethical tactics before and they will continue to do until — humans become perfect. As for moving forward, you move forward where you can one issues and perspectives one agrees upon. So from an issue policy perspective, should the current executive lose the issues will remain the same —-

    the democrats still will have wasted three years, failed on policy, continued to advocate for killing children in the womb, women will still be making false claims about a life of slavery, immigration advocates will still be attempting to fling open doors, the disparity between wealth on WS and the general population will continue to exacerbate the growing disconnect between those elected to lead and the population . . . liberals and democrats will still be on about transgender issues and chances are — interventions are going to return

    and US instructors will still be telling US students that the US stole the southwest from Mexico . . . we will have made no shifts in our military presence in Europe — most likely sending heavy weapons into the ukraine . . .

    back to the nonsense with North Korea . . . ,

    the military will continue to be used for experimenting with social agendas don’t advance it’s capability to fight . . . and i am sure “rape culture” is coming back with a vengeance

    and whites will still be gobbling up corrective redress meant for aggrieved population — and braying about disadvantage blacks —-

    Ohh by the way — the current executive won this election

  9. Some Guy says:

    Your “Biden improvement” column seems to compare “16 D” to “20 D”, not “16 Clinton” to “20 Biden”?

    Secondly, should you not look at turnout also?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  10. Michael S says:

    When did you become such a shill? It’s one thing to trust the fake polls, but if this is the level of dishonesty we can expect in the future then I’m done. Unsubbed. Either you’re playing defense for the steal or you’re just so consumed with being right about President Kamala that you’ve forgotten whose side you’re on (or maybe not).

    Nobody – but nobody – has claimed that Biden’s “edge” improved so much. The point was that Biden’s turnout was ridiculous, he underperformed Clinton everywhere except these counties, where he beat Obama handily. Comparing his % advantage or even % vote is totally irrelevant and obviously misleading. The only thing that matters here is the votes.

  11. Catdog says:

    It can be difficult to convince others of the truth even when you’re confident that all of the facts are on your side and your opponent has nothing. But in this case it feels like so far we have very little or nothing. There is no smoking gun yet, and our good evidence is being diluted by Q-tards and boomers spreading obviously false or irrelevant rumors.

    I think it is very likely that dems cheated because 1. They can, 2. They have great incentive, 3. There will probably be no real consequences even if caught. But that still isn’t evidence. Something concrete might be found when the recounts are done.

    In my election prediction, I said it would come down to how many mail-ins were tossed it. I read that only a very small number were tossed compared to previous years, while provisional ballots for in-person voters was way up. Who knows what’s true right now, but I’m guessing that was part of the Dem strategy. Will the SC uphold that method of counting? I think probably yes. They will say that the way the votes are counted is a municipal procedural decision that the court can’t rule on.

  12. @t

    Kerry’s complaints in 2004 came down to a single state, Ohio, which he lost by nearly 120,000 votes and more than two percent.

    The Trump complaints this year are in half-a-dozen states, most of which have smaller margins. The margins in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania alone are much smaller. Just 20,000 votes in WI and 45,000 votes in PA, equal to approximately half-percent margins in both states.

    What’s more, you are missing the fact that mail-in ballots are more subject to fraud and this particular election, unlike 2004, was heavily reliant on the mail-in vote.

  13. Realist says:

    If the alleged irregularity can be disproven or satisfactorily explained with a half an hour of online digging, it’s not the smoking gun we’re after.

    Smoking gun…the Deep State doesn’t care about no smoking gun.

  14. Twinkie says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I agree with much of what you wrote… though I would use “dilute,” rather than “cancel” to be precise.

    To be clear, Democrats have been engaging in election fraud for a very long time. I don’t think, though, that’s due to the Democrats being less moral than Republican pols and electioneers. This is a natural consequence of the Democrats having support in constituencies that are amenable to “machine”-building such as urban districts, Indian reservations, and the like. And because of the relative ease of cheating for the Democrats, Republican operatives have long said that GOP candidates usually needed to win by about 3% or so to overcome such shenanigans. And of course, the Democrats have had the media in their tank for a very long time too.

    Arrayed against these disadvantages, the GOP has had some natural bulwarks. First, the electorate has been generally center-right, at least socially. Even Democratic pollsters and quants have admitted that Democratic candidates are on average considerably to the left of the general electorate in ideology. Certainly when voters are given party platforms without any party labels, they more often than not choose the Republican one.

    Second, voting has reliably skewed older, and this has usually favored the GOP in most circumstances (an exception would be older black females).

    Third, the business lobby traditionally sided with the GOP as it tended to support pro-growth and low-tax policies.

    This election, in my view, has witnessed the acceleration and culmination of the long-term trends that have seen the amplification of these Democratic strengths and erosion of Republican ones. That is, the Democrats now have a near-total control of the major institutions and have become brazen in overtly pushing the party line – at schools, at work, and in the media. The propaganda and indoctrination are relentless and they have become very good at exacting personal costs for nonconformity. So the country is increasingly more “woke” (at least on the surface) and is less center-right in its public expressions than ever before… which in turn allow the left to be even more brazen and hysterical in its control of the institutions and of the news, the information, and the entertainment we consume.

    In the mean time, the corporate sector has long ceased to even pretend to be patriotic. It is now openly globalist and antithetical to tradition, and has gone over to the Democrats as political funding figures confirm. Likewise the media doesn’t pretend to be neutral – it now portrays the GOP and Republican voters as Nazis and racists as a matter of routine, that is, as people who ought to lose their livelihood, be assaulted in the streets, and disenfranchised.

    Given these trends, it’s hardly surprising that the Democrats and their allies have pulled all the stops in this farce of an election. Of course, that does not make it any less angering. Indeed, it’s infuriating – and deeply worrisome for the next generation, including my children. And it is because I worry about my children’s future and that of their peers, other young Americans, that I now think AE is right. We need a peaceful separation, Czech-Slovak-style, or I fear it will be civil strife sooner or later.

    I still like to be hopeful that a politically attractive populist leader will arise and perhaps he will guide us through a separation. But, if not, if we are to have a fight, I’d rather it be sooner rather than later so that I, not my children, would have to do the fighting.

  15. songbird says:

    What will Hunter’s salary be going forward, and after four years?

    I think with Chelsea Clinton and Jenna Bush, nobody expected them to ever gain power, but implicitly their fathers, after they were out, still had some ability to network and make deals – they were like high status lobbyists. (And, of course, many viewed Hillary as the next big thing.) But given Biden’s advanced age and evident decline, will he have that ability, after his term is up, and will anyone bet on it?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @The Alarmist
  16. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:

    The GOPe has been unable to do much of anything about vote fraud since 1982 due to a consent decree issued by a judge in New Jersey. Even after retirement he would return to the bench just to re-issue that decree.

    However, it finally expired. This is a partisan source but the essential facts are correct. Note the date of the article. The DNCe has been free to engage in all sorts of vote fraud for nearly 40 years. It’s a bit of a habit with them.

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/end-of-1982-consent-decree-gop-finally-can-contest-vote-fraud-after-36-years/

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  17. Dr. Doom says:

    You are alright with the plan to make this a Third World cesspool?

    Biden is a crook that will sell you out, that’s a certainty.

    China laughs at this so-called “democracy”.

    Democracy always dies in a fire, you know.

    War is now a certainty. This fraud is much too obvious.

    The tribe has gone too far yet again. They always do…

  18. Anonymous[159] • Disclaimer says:

    https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/09/election-2020-the-more-fuckery-update

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-37243190

    Written Sept. 2016:

    Voting is compulsory in Gabon, but it is not enforced; even in Australia where it is enforced, where you can vote by post or online and can be fined for not voting, turnout only reaches 90-95%.

  19. LondonBob says:
    @LondonBob

    Clear the fraud in Wisconsin was centered in the wider Milwaukee area.

  20. Twinkie says:
    @songbird

    There is no one by the name of “Hunter Biden.” And if you keep repeating this vicious lie to denigrate our new dear leader and his family, I will be forced to report you to Jennifer Rubin, so that she can put you on her list.

    The dear leader Biden has only one son, Beau, a lawyer war hero who died tragically due to our nation’s inadequate Republican health care system. So it’s impossible that his widow had an affair with her alleged married brother-in-law. The Bidens are an upstanding, moral family and your vicious and dirty lying dog faced pony solider antics will not go unpunished. Come on, man!

  21. I agree with President Trump on the malicious AGENDA SETTING or ELECTION INTERFERENCE machinations of the corporate propaganda apparatus of the evil and treasonous JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    The polls in important states such as Wisconsin were way off the mark and that is when the AGENDA SETTING function of the corporate propaganda apparatus meets up with ELECTION INTERFERENCE.

    Trump lost the 5 percent of White gentlemen voters that he needed to retain the Great Lakes states important for the Electoral College.

    Trump screwed up and Trump should have banished Jared Kushner and the other shyster boys and shyster girls from his administration, but Trump didn’t and the White Gentlemen Voters avoided Trump and the shysters.

    I made this prediction and I even mentioned the 5 percent figure for White Gentlemen Voters who would not vote for Trump and I was right on the money.

    My accurate and essential November 2 prediction of the 2020 presidential election:

    Between 3 and 5 percent of White gentleman voters will swing back to Biden and the Democrat Party or not vote at all or they’ll vote for the Libertarian Party.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/2020-presidential-election-predictions/#comment-4259373

    • Replies: @Rosie
  22. Rosie says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Trump is correct. That is yet another layer of cheating: fake polls.

    Anyway, as painful as this is in the short term, it’s a good thing that Trump lost more votes among White men than he gained among White women. I don’t want these rogues thinking they’re going to make up the difference with White women if they take White men for granted.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  23. nebulafox says:

    Yeah, but this is legal turf now, not political. The GOP has to put forward airtight evidence if anything is to get anywhere. It shouldn’t be impossible, but it will be difficult, and concrete bit-level details have never been Trump’s forte, to put it mildly: this weakness probably cost him during the election when he didn’t go after some of Biden’s published policies more consistently. Blasting All Caps Tweets is not going to do it.

    I wouldn’t worry too much about it, though. Even if Trump can’t get anywhere, shrill MSM denial or refusal to talk about it is going to hurt them-and Biden/Harris by extension-everywhere outside of a shrinking, upper-middle class centric Democratic choir. I suspect the more intelligent people in the media realize this on some level and are going to try their best to put the onus on the GOP to do most of the talking while avoiding the obvious trap of mass blackouts at a time of all-time low credibility for the MSM, but they’ll probably be swamped by the Blue Wave idiots who are alternately punch-drunk and angry at the moment…

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  24. nebulafox says:
    @Twinkie

    Hunter Biden is clearly a Russian myth. Like the Clinton Foundation, or non-white Trump voters, or Al-Nusra’s Islamism.

  25. The election was certainly stolen, although perhaps not in the way Trump says it was:

    In my opinion, an election stolen by a thousand cuts of censorship is every bit as illegitimate.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  26. Dr. Doom says:

    “Democracy” is a joke. Its always been fraudulent.

    How can a Party that caters to MINORITIES ever win an election?

    Math is now racist, because it reveals the obvious FRAUD.

    You have to FIGHT to keep what you have, you know.

    This “voting” for others money and property is VILE and WICKED.

    This kind of EVIL is cowardly. Have you no backbones?

  27. Twinkie says:
    @DanHessinMD

    This was – as my instructors used to call it – full spectrum information warfare.

  28. @Rosie

    Rosie says:

    Anyway, as painful as this is in the short term, it’s a good thing that Trump lost more votes among White men than he gained among White women. I don’t want these rogues thinking they’re going to make up the difference with White women if they take White men for granted.

    I say:

    I was wrong to think that White Women Voters — with a college degree or without — and Greedy White Geezers would abandon Trump and be the decisive factor in Trump losing to Biden.

    It was the FIVE PERCENT — 5% — 5 percent — of White Gentlemen Voters who refused to vote for Trump in key Electoral College states that were the decisive factor in Trump suffering a defeat to Hair Plug Biden and the Democrat Party.

    You could say that the Greedy White Geezer gentlemen in the Great Lakes states joined ranks with the other White Gentlemen Voters to eschew support for the Adelson and Kushner poodle boy baby boomer fat ass named Trump.

    Trump touted the Fed-induced asset bubbles and Black voters and so-called “Hispanic” voters and all other manner of voters except Whites as Whites and the 5 percent of White Gentlemen Voters refused to endure the snub and they sank the Trump campaign.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  29. AE —

    Not so fast on this analysis. I think you make several major mistakes here:

    (1) It has been widely reported and commented on that Trump did considerably better among both blacks and Hispanics in 2020 than 2016 and not quite as well among white men in 2020 as in 2016.

    Then there should have been a marked red shift in the cities in 2020, which is where most blacks and Hispanics live. Where is it?

    This does not show that red shift you would expect in places where blacks and Hispanics live. Kanye and 50 Cent came out as pro-Trump and it doesn’t even show up?

    Trump may have done 4% better with blacks and 4% better with Hispanics in 2020 than in 2016.
    http://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537966/trump-black-voters-exit-polls
    http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/how-trump-grew-his-support-among-latinos/617033/

    A place like Milwaukee is 2/3 black and Hispanic and Biden does better there instead of 3-4% worse as you would expect?

    Where is the expected red shift where blacks and Hispanics live?

    (2) Cheating might not be simple Biden vote dumps. Rather it could be “more of the same” in cities or similar areas. To bank tons of votes for Biden, you just need more votes in the cities in a similar proportion to what already came in.

    In this case, turnout numbers would tell the tale. And indeed turnouts are extraordinary. Turnout was 51% in Cleveland but somehow 84% in demographically similar Milwaukee. What?

    To quote Steve Cortes from yesterday:
    “For Wisconsin overall, the turnout was above 90% of registered voters. Even in a state with same-day registration, such a number seems implausible. After all, in Australia, a place where voting is mandatory, and failing to vote is punishable with stiff fines, the total turnout for the most recent election was still only 92%.”

    (3) The margins are slim so the cheating would only need to be a few percent. You don’t need a huge number of votes to flip the election. Somehow Democrats managed just enough.

    I hope you can update your post with my criticisms. You shouldn’t just spike the idea of cheating so easily, when it is such a consistent feature of Democrat politics over the years.

    • Replies: @sb
  30. @nebulafox

    Regarding AE’s claim of a need for airtight evidence of fraud…

    Yeah, but this is legal turf now, not political.

    Dispatch from Boomerland:

    My father forwarded me an email from a friend of his who participates in some FB lawyers’ group. They say the strategy is not to reverse, per se, the election results, but to throw the entire election into question such that “the election is invalidated by SCOTUS”, throwing it into the Congress, per the 12th amendment, where Republicans dominate the House on a per-state count. Plus, if they stall until March, Pence automatically becomes the new President.

    I don’t see the invalidation of the election by SCOTUS part happening, but if it did somehow, I think the above scenario of a Republican win in Congress is plausible. The country would melt down, however, and Democrats would never accept the validity of the next President.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  31. Rosie says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    I was wrong to think that White Women Voters — with a college degree or without — and Greedy White Geezers would abandon Trump and be the decisive factor in Trump losing to Biden.

    This isn’t correct. White women without college degrees did massively abandon Trump. Had they not done so, he would certainly have won.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  32. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Upon further investigation, it appears WCWW may not have abandoned Trump, but then white women still voted 3% less for Trump than WCWM. If they had voted equally with White men, I assume he would have won.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  33. Dr. Doom says:

    The cheating was obvious. They stopped the count to add the fraudulent votes.

    With electronic machines they didn’t outnumber the Trump votes.

    They had to manufacture extra votes under the cover of mail in ballots.

    They made just enough for Stupid Joe Biden to appear to win.

    However, they manufactured so many votes they outdid Obama’s totals.

    Inconceivably STUPID. Unlikely. Not a snowball’s chance in Hell.

    They went FULL RETARD to get that limp Stupid Joe Biden over.

    Lets not wait for the phony legalisms from the Tribe.

    Are any of you ready to fight to keep your lives and land?

    You outnumber the Hebe Jeebies by a lot. Who will fight to keep their debts?

    At some point, War is the Only Way to resolve things. A last resort perhaps.

    The enemy wants you to wait while they flood America with aliens.

    Stupid Joe Biden is supposed to do just that, with open borders.

    Fight or DIE White Man. They mean HARM to you and yours.

    This voting thing is all a FRAUD. They’ve been cheating you for DECADES.

    Are you Angry yet? What does it take to get you all riled up?

    They say point blank they are Anti-White. Western Civilization hangs in the balance.

    There are two futures. The dumb Jewish fantasy of a neo-feudal cesspit of genetic failure.

    Or THE SPACE AGE. ELYSIUM. MARS COLONIES. SPACE EXPLORATION.

    Two very seriously different outcomes. The Jews are stupid and insane.

    Their neo-feudalism will NOT WORK. It will extinct this world.

    Either there will be Western Civilization or a lifeless orb with no one left on it.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  34. @songbird

    What will Hunter’s salary be going forward, and after four years?

    It takes a special kind of dumb to be so openly corrupt, and still the Bidens get away with it. They kind of remind me of the mob on Staten Island.

  35. @Chrisnonymous

    They say the strategy is not to reverse, per se, the election results, but to throw the entire election into question such that “the election is invalidated by SCOTUS”

    SCOTUS can not and will not invalidate the election, but might punt it to the state legislatures to fulfill their Article 2 plenary powers in the selection of electors.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  36. @The Alarmist

    SCOTUS can not

    Yeah. I don’t know how that would work. It’s not my idea. Maybe the thought was that if 6 or 7 states were being contested at the time Electors were supposed to cast their votes, it would prevent either Biden or Trump from getting 50%. Or perhaps if the Electors cast their votes and then some states are challenged after that. Yeah. I don’t know.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  37. @Dr. Doom

    You forgot the secret Israeli Moonraker base from which they will repopulate the Earth.

    But, you make a good point about debt relief.

  38. Indeed. Not only that, but Trump 2020 lost three urban counties in Florida (Pinellas, Duval, Seminole) that he won in 2016. Extrapolate that swing nationwide (and Trump did worse than in 2016 in ~44 states), and you have your Trump loss. Wherever urban areas had a substantial college White component, Trump did worse. Wherever they were totally dominated by Hispanics and Asians, Trump did better. In general, the trend of Republicans doing better among rural Whites and worse among college Whites continued in this election. Which is why these election fraud claims are so dumb.

  39. @Chrisnonymous

    The most likely thing to throw it to the House would be one or more states presenting two sets of electors (one from the legislature and the other based on “certified” results from the Governor and Secretary of State of the state. Constitutionally, the slate from the legislature should govern, but the House could use it as grounds for a challenge, and that might leave the selection to the House if it resulted in neither candidate having 270 or more.

    In this environment, I would imagine that none of the Republican state legislatures in contested states would have the stomach to go out on that limb, as AntiFA and BLM would turn up with guillotines outside their individual homes, but it would be the profile in courage of this century if they went that route.

  40. Do the numbers account for population changes in the respective cities?

  41. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    I still like to be hopeful that a politically attractive populist leader will arise

    The problem with a rigid two-party system is that any future populist leader will, like Trump, have to work through either the Democrat or Republican Parties. Which means there’s a danger that any future populist leader will be corrupted.

    You need to find a way to get rid of that rigid two-party system. A preferential voting system (as we have in Australia) would help. Maybe a run-off system like they have in France would help. It would be massively difficult to do.

    For one thing you’d also need to break the power of the donors by introducing public funding of election campaigns. Also massively difficult to do.

    Of course Trump could have at least put such issues on the political agenda which would have been a start. But he didn’t.

  42. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    And it is because I worry about my children’s future and that of their peers, other young Americans, that I now think AE is right. We need a peaceful separation, Czech-Slovak-style

    In that case start praying for complete US economic collapse. That would be the necessary trigger for a complete collapse of the US political order and that would then open up the possibility of separation.

  43. @anon

    The GOPe has been unable to do much of anything about vote fraud since 1982 due to a consent decree issued by a judge in New Jersey.

    My God…why would the RNC ever voluntarily enter into such a lopsided decree…unless they really are just the Washington Generals….

  44. Twinkie says:
    @dfordoom

    No thanks. I have zero interest in meeting the anti-Christian and anti-American wish-fulfillment you repeat ad nauseam. Czechia and Slovakia did not need “complete economic collapse” to go their separate ways, merely the recognition by enough reasonable people that they had different aspirations.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  45. Twinkie says:
    @dfordoom

    Or populists could simply take over the GOP. Taking over an existing institution is generally much easier than building a whole new one, especially in an environment where the existing players enact heavy barriers to entry.

    Did the “new” Jewish elites in the mid-20th century build new universities of their own or did they take over the existing Christian universities?

    GOP is now much more Trumpist than before. Trump could only do so much in four years, but the trends at the local level are very encouraging. Around where I live, the loudest voice pleading with Trump not to concede and is organizing local protests against election fraud is a Vietnamese Republican activist.

    Or read the story (in WaPo of all places) about what a handful of Trumpist activists managed to achieve in a previously overwhelmingly “blue” area. Sometimes a few courageous leaders is all that one needs to start a mass-movement and turn the tide.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/texas-latino-republicans/2020/11/09/17a15422-1f92-11eb-ba21-f2f001f0554b_story.html

    • Agree: iffen
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  46. Twinkie says:
    @Rosie

    You’ve been going on about the “mass defection” of downscale white female voters from Trump for a few days now. By now, I hope you can see this is not the case. The greatest decline in percentage points for Trump from 2016 to 2020 has been the white, male, college graduate segment.

    Next is the white, male, no college degree segment, then followed by the white, female, no college segment. Meanwhile, Trump gained more white, female, college degree voters more than enough to make up the decline in the white, female, no college demographic.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/kenosha/#comment-4267342

    White women without college degree went from +27 Trump to +21, a loss of 6 percentage points, but white men without college degree went from +48 to +37, a loss of 11 percentage points.

    On the other hand, white women with college degree went from +7 Clinton to Trump +1, a gain of 8 percentage points.

    White men with college degrees went from Trump +14 to Biden +2, a big loss of 16 percentage points.

    Meanwhile, non-white, no college was a gain of 6 for Trump, those with college degree was a gain of 10.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  47. Rosie says:
    @Twinkie

    You’ve been going on about the “mass defection” of downscale white female voters from Trump for a few days now. By now, I hope you can see this is not the case.

    Under normal circumstances, a 6% swing would be quite large, and indeed even now, it is outcome-determinative. The 6% is about what I expected. What I did not expect was either the swing towards Trump in the case of college White women or the swing away from Trump among White college men. Indeed, I’m not sure that has happened in living memory.

    Anyway, nunnadis mattas. The takeaway is clear: Don’t cuck your base.

  48. Dr. Doom says:

    You’re all still thinking as though this system will continue.

    Its credibility is shot. Its morally and fiscally bankrupt.

    All it would take is a general strike or a rise of about 100,000 gun owners to topple it.

    The system cannot continue. Its too corrupt and top heavy.

    There should be no more phony elections. The cheating proves its worthlessness.

    White people must not comply any further with their dispossession.

    Do not feed the enemy. Unplug from the system and arm yourselves.

    War is coming. The system cannot continue in its present form.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  49. @LondonBob

    Thank you! This video has been out for a few days apparently, but it’s the best I’ve seen re: explaining how the computer fraud likely happened:

    Yet there are still people on our side (a lot of them, including e.g., Steve Sailer and AE) who seem to think that Biden probably had enough votes to win legitimately, even if there were some localized shenanigans. It’s baffling to me. Have these guys not seen the charts showing all the crazy stuff that happened to the votes after everything got shut down that first night?

    Focusing on a few dead people, and poll watchers not allowed close enough, as Giuliani seemingly has, makes it seem like low level fraud, which is a mistake.

    It’s very possible that pursuing Maidengate + people who moved out of state + dead people + throwing out unverifiable or late ballots gets us to where we need to be in close states like Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada, but it might not (e.g., I’m read that Georgia’s governor could be conflicted).

    We need to somehow get the word out to the public about the massive computer-based manipulation–votes stolen from Trump and given to Biden. Only this explains the late night vote changes in multiple swing states, with the numbers generated clearly showing fraud.

    Here are a couple great threads which explain the basics:


    (explains why numbers in the major Dem strongholds are not as key as what happened in Republican areas)

  50. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Czechia and Slovakia did not need “complete economic collapse” to go their separate ways, merely the recognition by enough reasonable people that they had different aspirations.

    You get amicable divorces when both sides are happy to call it a day.

    When both partners hate each other’s guts and want to make the other partner suffer as much as possible you get less amicable divorces. Think Yugoslavia.

    So it’s lucky that in the US the various parties are all sensible grown-ups and are not motivated by burning hatreds. The divorce should go off really smoothly. I honestly can’t see what could go wrong.

    • LOL: iffen
  51. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Or populists could simply take over the GOP. Taking over an existing institution is generally much easier than building a whole new one, especially in an environment where the existing players enact heavy barriers to entry.

    Did the “new” Jewish elites in the mid-20th century build new universities of their own or did they take over the existing Christian universities?

    It’s easy to take over existing institutions when you encounter no resistance whatsoever. In such situations where there’s likely to be resistance, not so easy.

    But I’m sure you’re right. It will be really easy to take over the GOP. It’s not like there are any entrenched corrupt vested interests to deal with.

    • Replies: @iffen
  52. sb says:
    @DanHessinMD

    “…in Australia …failing to vote is punishable with heavy fines ”

    The punishment for failing to vote without an appropriate excuse is a A$20 fine ( today about US$14)
    Bear in mind that in practise any excuse which isn’t Bolshy is always accepted eg pleading sickness is OK but maybe expressing a philosophical objection is not . As you say about 92% usually vote ( personally I think compulsory voting in Australia at least helps the conservative side . Lefties seem to always have politics as the most important thing going around . Normal people prefer say gardening for instance )

    I’m sure A$20 or US$ 14 may be a “heavy fine” for some but not for the (statistical ) average person

    It’s rather like jury duty or on the rare occasions when Australia had military conscription : not that hard to avoid if you try

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  53. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    It’s not like there are any entrenched corrupt vested interests to deal with.

    Is anything worthwhile easily obtained? It is still uphill, but definitely feasible. Since 1992 American blacks have determined the Democratic Presidential candidate, so when the Democrat wins he is their candidate. If the “populist” block in the Republican Party is able to dictate the Republican choice, then when a Republican wins it will be the candidate of the populists.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  54. @dfordoom

    In that case start praying for complete US economic collapse.

    I understand why you say it, but unless the United States is nuked, invaded and/or occupied, no U.S. economic collapse will occur. If the economy of Dixie did not collapse in 1864, if the economy of the American Colonies did not collapse in 1778, if the economy of the Roman Empire did not collapse in 476, then the economy of the United States will not collapse today.

    [MORE]

    Of course, you know these things already. I do not mean to cavil, but there are readers that don’t know these things because macroeconomics is abstruse and is occasionally beset by false parallels; and because the word “collapse” evokes images of Ragnarok. I write chiefly to such readers’ attention.

    The U.S. may or may not grow poorer. As A.E. has observed, a sudden abandonment of the U.S. dollar as the foundation of international reserves is not unlikely and would deliver quite a shock back home; but the U.S. has a long, long way to fall before it reaches, say, the Mexican economic level—whereas, compared to most of the world, Mexico is fairly rich. Even a level as low as the fairly elevated Mexican level seems unlikely north of the Rio Grande.

    Despite running imprudent trade deficits, the U.S. still produces far too much for its economy to collapse. History simply affords no precedent for any such collapse as far as I am aware.

    Now the U.S. stock market … that may collapse.

    • Agree: Yahya K., Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  55. dfordoom says: • Website
    @sb

    “…in Australia …failing to vote is punishable with heavy fines ”

    The punishment for failing to vote without an appropriate excuse is a A$20 fine ( today about US$14)
    Bear in mind that in practise any excuse which isn’t Bolshy is always accepted eg pleading sickness is OK but maybe expressing a philosophical objection is not .

    Yep. You can even get away with pleading that you had a really bad day and you just forget to vote and you’re really sorry.

    Plus a lot of people never bother getting themselves put on the electoral roll so they don’t even need an excuse for not voting. Also quite a few people vote “informal” – in other words they show up to vote but don’t bother actually filling in the ballot, they just drop the blank ballot in the ballot box. Nobody really cares that much and nobody stresses about it. As long as most people vote everybody is happy.

    personally I think compulsory voting in Australia at least helps the conservative side . Lefties seem to always have politics as the most important thing going around . Normal people prefer say gardening for instance

    That’s possible.

  56. dfordoom says: • Website
    @V. K. Ovelund

    In that case start praying for complete US economic collapse.

    I understand why you say it, but unless the United States is nuked, invaded and/or occupied, no U.S. economic collapse will occur.

    Yep. Complete economic collapse is pretty rare. Maybe Germany went close in the 1920s but that was a combination of defeat in war and then being bled dry by reparations. The US economy is certainly not going to collapse, which means peaceful separation just ain’t gonna happen. I can’t see complete political collapse happening without economic collapse.

    Peaceful separation is only likely in cases where there are not only clear cultural/ethnic divides but where those divides are also along neat geographical lines. In cases such as the US where the cultural/ethnic/ideological divides are so geographically messy there is no chance of separation without civil war and bloodbaths. And I’m sure that 99% of Americans have zero desire to see civil war and bloodbaths.

    Czechoslovakia broke up peacefully because it was never a real country.

    After three hundred years Scotland has not achieved peaceful separation yet, and peaceful separation for Scotland would be a hell of a lot easier than for the US.

    Peaceful separation is just right-wing daydreaming. It’s like liberals threatening to move to Canada every time a Republican president gets elected. It’s just cope. It’s sad but harmless.

    The U.S. may or may not grow poorer.

    The most likely scenario is that the rich will get richer while everybody else slowly becomes slightly poorer. And the US will move ever closer to soft totalitarianism which in my opinion is the inevitable result of democracy, mass media and high technology.

  57. @Michael S

    I can certainly understand why someone like ‘L Woods’ abandoned this website without any fanfare awhile ago. His comments were thoughtful and well written yet he was constantly being harassed.

    It seems like eventually every right wing, free speech webzine gets taken over by shills and interests and by the 50-something, semi-retired IYIs who have the time to blow their own horns all day long. I’m talking about the commenters here, not about AE. I think AE is pretty sensible even though I disagree with him at times. But ultimately not even the blog author can hold off the rot that begins in the comments.

  58. AE —

    I wrote,

    “(1) It has been widely reported and commented on that Trump did considerably better among both blacks and Hispanics in 2020 than 2016 and not quite as well among white men in 2020 as in 2016.

    Then there should have been a marked red shift in the cities in 2020, which is where most blacks and Hispanics live. Where is it?

    Trump may have done 4% better with blacks and 4% better with Hispanics in 2020 than in 2016.
    http://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537966/trump-black-voters-exit-polls
    http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/how-trump-grew-his-support-among-latinos/617033/

    A place like Milwaukee is 2/3 black and Hispanic and Biden does better there instead of 3-4% worse as you would expect?

    (2) Cheating might not be simple Biden vote dumps. Rather it could be “more of the same” in cities or similar areas. To bank tons of votes for Biden, you just need more votes in the cities in a similar proportion to what already came in.

    In this case, turnout numbers would tell the tale. And indeed turnouts are extraordinary. Turnout was 51% in Cleveland but somehow 84% in demographically similar Milwaukee. What?

    To quote Steve Cortes from yesterday:
    “For Wisconsin overall, the turnout was above 90% of registered voters. Even in a state with same-day registration, such a number seems implausible. After all, in Australia, a place where voting is mandatory, and failing to vote is punishable with stiff fines, the total turnout for the most recent election was still only 92%.”

    AE — I was hoping to get your thoughts… I think these are relevant points…

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  59. @Some Guy

    The 16 D and 20 D columns are Clinton and Biden shares, respectively.

  60. @Michael S

    Where’s the evidence for this?

    Take the WI counties of Portage and La Crosse, in the center and the center-west of the state. Both are not densely populated and went modestly for Clinton and Biden in 2016 and 2020, respectively.

    2016 Portage

    Clinton votes, %: 18,259; 48%
    Trump votes, %: 17,305; 45%

    2020 Portage

    Biden votes, %: 20,428; 50%
    Trump votes, %: 19,299 48%

    2016 La Crosse

    Clinton votes, %: 32,406; 51%
    Trump votes, %: 26,378; 41%

    2020 La Crosse

    Biden votes, %: 37,846; 56%
    Trump votes, %: 28,684; 42%

    Same sort of patterns as we see in the major urban centers, with Biden’s absolute votes up substantially to Clinton. Trump’s too, to Trump 2016. And relatively similar margin change noise.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  61. @dfordoom

    It’s exceedingly frustrating to see ranked choice voting voted down, but it happened against this election in Alaska.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  62. @Audacious Epigone

    Never mind, it looks like with the late votes, the ballot measure is in a statistical dead heat. Very encouraging!

  63. @dfordoom

    The destruction of the dollar will not mean complete economic collapse, but it will mean a jolting decline in the American monetary standard of living. That jolt could also provide the impetus for political dissolution.

  64. @Twinkie

    Trump could only do so much in four years, but the trends at the local level are very encouraging.

    Trump is not done influencing this, not by a long shot. He is going to be the undisputed voice of the Republican party even when out of office. There is no one else who comes close in stature in the eyes of the Republican electorate.

    There was no comparable dynamic with the Democrat party, with Obama and also Hillary Clinton, as well as the Bernie Sanders wing. Nothing like that in the GOP. Nobody is following Mitch McConnell or Nikki Haley. Ted Cruz probably comes closest, but he is publicly allied with Trump and isn’t going to throw that away.

  65. @Dr. Doom

    There will be no armed insurrection, mercifully, as long as the monetary standard of living is as high as it is now.

  66. @iffen

    This has already happened, I think. We will see for sure in 2024, but Trump and Cruz positioned themselves as anti-establishment–including anti-GOPe–and together they utterly dominated the Republican primaries, winning on the order of 70% of votes between the two of them compared to the combined voted of the other 18 establishment candidates. The RNC dislikes Cruz about as much as the DNC dislikes Sanders.

  67. LondonBob says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    The argument for Wisconsin was it was very close, a toss up according to internal polls, a clean vote I think Trump would have won by a point or two, marginally improved on 2016. The fraud is more pronounced in MI, PA and GA, Trump was polling stronger in those states, I actually think Trump was stronger on the election day as late deciders went his way. A clean vote sees him win all the states he won last time plus NV, Arizona I think he probably won narrowly, but by a few thousand votes only.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  68. LondonBob says:
    @DanHessinMD

    Trump did better with the Black vote everywhere but Milwaukee, Atlanta, Philly and Detroit. Not buying it.

  69. @DanHessinMD

    I keep hearing about historic Wisconsin turnout rates, but relative to 2016 it’s not extraordinary. Instead, it’s very much in line with the rest of the country, actually a little bit on the lower end.

  70. indocon says:
    @Twinkie

    There will be no separation unless one of the two events occurs – collapse of USD, or clear defeat of US Military in a foreign war, kinda like what Russia suffered at the hands of Japan in 1904.

    • Agree: dfordoom

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