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TomSchmidt suggests a spot check for circumstantial evidence of Dominion Voting Systems chicanery in New York:

I’d be interested in an analysis of two suburban NYC counties, AE. Westchester County voted for Biden, more strongly than for Clinton (who lives there) and I think Nassau went for Trump. Last time I think both went for Clinton.

I ask, because both counties are relatively wealthy, and decent analogues of each other. Except: Nassau and Westchester used different voting machine technology, ES&S in the case of the former, and Dominion in the case of the latter. No one is looking for fraud in NY state, and there might be none. But a comparison of the two might be interesting.

Both counties broke Democrat in 2016 and 2020.

In 2016, Clinton won Westchester by 33.7 points; in 2020, Biden won by 36.3 points. Democrats improved 2.6 points there from 2016 to 2020.

In 2016, Clinton won Nassau by 6.2 points; in 2020, Biden by 9.5 points. Democrats improved 3.3 points there from 2016 to 2020.

In the county that did not use the Dominion system the Democrat advantage grew more than it did in the county that used Dominion.

It’s not a kraken, it’s a water lily.

 
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  1. Who suggested Dominion had a lock on election tampering?

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  2. I don’t really follow General Flynn (because yawn) or the fraud stuff (because I don’t have the time to check every claim and counterclaim), but I noticed by accident that Flynn still seems to be promoting the Dominion fraud on Twitter. What are we to make of that? Loyalty to Trump or Powell? Insider intelligence info/intuition? More Russian disinformation campaign?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  3. @Chrisnonymous

    How about a search for the truth?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  4. Dumbo says:

    Trump’s Treasury secretary calls Capitol violence “completely unacceptable”
    From CNN’s Andrew Carey

    One of President Trump’s most loyal Cabinet members, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, described the violence at the US Capitol Wednesday as “completely unacceptable.” Standing alongside Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem, Mnuchin said: “The violence that occurred last night was completely unacceptable. These actions must stop. Our democratic institutions have been strong for a very long period of time. Our democracy will prevail, and our institutions will remain strong. Now is the time for our nation to come together as one and respect the democratic process in the United States.”

    LOL. The fix is in. Democracy is over. Welcome to the new Global Technocracy. Don’t forget to wear your mask, even inside your home! Don’t meet anyone. Remember, it’s for your own good! Be safe! Ah and don’t forget to always vote. It’s important! Every vote counts! Some are even counted twice! Vote early and vote often.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @mark green
  5. unit472 says:

    What reason would there be to cheat in Nassau or Westchester County? Was New York in play and thus a need to offset strong Trump support in Trump leaning counties? The only suspect election I saw in New York was an upstate Congressional District where a Republican candidate narrowly won in the initial count only for the Democrat to keep ‘finding’ uncounted ballots in the days after the election!

    • Agree: Some Guy, Dutch Boy
  6. @The Alarmist

    My point is that, among all Americsns, Flynn by his past intelligence experience is almost uniquely qualified to say whether or not the Dominion fraud theory is plausible. So, what are we to make of his promotion of it? Is it a signal we should pay more heed to it, or is he just supporting Powell or Trump?

  7. Realist says:

    All of this after the fact hand wringing will accomplish nothing. The Deep State is in its final phase of complete control of the USA. The events of 2020, plus the murder yesterday of an Airforce veteran by the Deep State enforcers should make the grievous situation obvious to even the dumbest asshole in this country.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Rosie
  8. Realist says:
    @Dumbo

    Your point is spot on. Everyone in the government must be considered a Deep State lackey and an enemy of the American people.

    The murder, yesterday, of an Air Force veteran, by the Deep State enforces should convince even the dumbest asshole in this country that they have been played.

    Welcome to the long-planned Plutocratic Oligarchy.

    • Replies: @Realist
  9. LondonBob says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Some of Fynn’s family got involved with the Qanon nonsense, he has been persecuted a fair bit too. I think there is something to the Dominion stuff but simple signature verification and bogus voters should always be the focus.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  10. indocon says:

    Trumps side has been completely unable to explain what exact fraud was committed in 2020 elections in plain English. My view is that rules were changed to allow unlimited ballot harvesting, you could go get a ballot for your grandmother who’s on dementia, or the homeless guy down the street, or even a relative who passed away yesterday, this is the reason voter turnout ended up where it is. It would’ve been so much more effective if trumps people had found half a dozen real life examples like this and blasted that on national media, instead of continuing to incite their people.

  11. @indocon

    It would’ve been so much more effective if trumps people had found half a dozen real life examples like this and blasted that on national media, instead of continuing to incite their people.

    Even if the national media had given it any serious, unfiltered airtime, the part where Sidney Powell went on a frolic about the Venezuela connection (whether true or not) sounded “conspiracy theory” enough for it to be dismissed as nutty (which it was).

    • Agree: El Dato
  12. Wyatt says:
    @LondonBob

    Some of Fynn’s family got involved with the Qanon nonsense

    Qanonsense

  13. Realist says:
    @Realist

    Should read…Deep State enforcers…

  14. @indocon

    Trumps side has been completely unable to explain what exact fraud was committed in 2020 elections in plain English.

    Others have done so, in excruciating detail:

    https:depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

    This was done thousands of times all over the country.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Stan d Mute
  15. peterike says:
    @unit472

    What reason would there be to cheat in Nassau or Westchester County?

    Exactly. The cheating was focused exactly where (1) everyone knew it would be needed and (2) they had the necessary ground troops. Pointless in New York. Cheating at the local level is more pertinent and probably happens quite extensively.

    I would say Biden improved over Clinton because (1) tens of thousands of city residents shipped out because of their Covid fears to the suburbs and (2) New York metro area people aren’t very sophisticated. They think they are, but they’re really a pack of sorry rubes who believe whatever the Narrative tells them to believe.

    On the other hand, Trump’s performance went UP in NYC.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  16. El Dato says:

    It’s not a kraken, it’s a water lily.

    It should be VERY CLEAR that this system is working.

    Within 24 an audit should be dumped that can be spot-checked any way you like.

    How is it possible that there is doubt of any kind, to the point where forceful mass tourism into the pimped-out inner bowels of democracy’s opium den becomes desirable?

    What’s the hold-up? Is there anyone out there who can still organize things?

    If we can have Dogecoin, we can have secure voting systems.

  17. Rosie says:
    @Realist

    The events of 2020, plus the murder yesterday of an Airforce veteran by the Deep State enforcers should make the grievous situation obvious to even the dumbest asshole in this country.

    As I said over on Kersey’s thread, that it was a woman is particularly telling. For the most part, White men still have a sense of chivalry, and to shoot an unarmed woman is to say, in no uncertain terms, that they don’t feel they even need to care about optics at all anymore because they have fear of the White man. They are completely out of control.

    • Replies: @Realist
  18. @Dumbo

    Don’t forget to wear your mask, even inside your home! Don’t meet anyone. Remember, it’s for your own good! Be safe! Ah and don’t forget to always vote. It’s important! Every vote counts! Some are even counted twice! Vote early and vote often.

    So true! And remember also to never say bad words. Certain words cause violence. You know which ones they are.

    Stop bigotry! Eradicate racism!

    Have a nice day.

  19. Corvinus says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    “Flynn by his past intelligence experience is almost uniquely qualified to say whether or not the Dominion fraud theory is plausible.”

    I’m still waiting for Sydney Powell (and Flynn) to provide the additional bombshell evidence they claimed to have to support this claim.

    Perhaps you can provide evidence that this event actually happened, right, patriot?

  20. nebulafox says:

    The older I get, the more of a 1A fundie I’m becoming. I thought it was supposed to be the other way around?!

  21. nebulafox says:
    @peterike

    Biden simply does not radiate contempt for wide swathes of the American public in the way Hillary Clinton did. That, combined with Trump taking the hit for a lousy economy, explains the election. An incumbent with an OK economy doesn’t lose, no matter how clownish or dislikeable he is. That simple.

    It’s really not hard to understand. People do not want to understand, whether it is Trumpers trying to deny the obvious about their candidate, GOPers under delusions of returning to Romneyism, or Democrats upset that the voters didn’t reward their own insanity with a blowout and demographic voting results which completely undermine the fundamentals of their whole narrative about America.

    >On the other hand, Trump’s performance went UP in NYC.

    Strangely enough, a lot of small-time businessmen did not appreciate having their lives destroyed by Antifa and BLM last summer or seeing people like them on TV having their lives destroyed. And in many of these urban areas, those are going to be overwhelmingly non-white owned.

    It’s almost as if the GOP could have taken further advantage of that didn’t know their compulsive need to screw over everybody in favor of the donor class in a time of profound economic crisis.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  22. @Chrisnonymous

    “Flynn by his past intelligence experience is almost uniquely qualified to say…”

    To say dick all. The Left and some of the non-Buckley Right used to be smart enough to know that spies are, well, scumbags trained to lie and deceive. I guess the Right now loves spies along with cops and Presidents and other “trustworthy authority figures.”

    • Agree: dfordoom
  23. vok3 says:

    This is a moronic argument. It’s not random counties that need to be checked. It’s specifically the results from Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Milwaukee. Those were the four cities that swung the election. Any fraud only needed to happen in those four cities, where the political establishment is solidly D. Any potential fraudster could have been fine leaving everything else totally alone.

    That there is or may be evidence of fraud in localities beyond those four cities does not make it necessary for the fraudsters’ goal, nor does it make fraud required in a wide enough selection of places to be detectable in random spot checks.

    Nobody can think anymore.

  24. Realist says:
    @Rosie

    As I said over on Kersey’s thread, that it was a woman is particularly telling.

    I don’t know that one can make a women’s issue out of the murder

    For the most part, White men still have a sense of chivalry, and to shoot an unarmed woman is to say, in no uncertain terms, that they don’t feel they even need to care about optics at all anymore because they have fear of the White man.

    The situation was an unarmed person that was not threatening was murdered. Yes, unarmed women are usually less of a threat than unarmed men. For me, the most important point you made was they don’t feel they even need to care about optics at all anymore…, I take it you mean the Deep State.

    They are completely out of control.

    Sadly…they are in complete control.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  25. Rosie says:

    I don’t know that one can make a women’s issue out of the murder

    I’m not making a “women’s issue” out of the murder. I’m not saying she was shot because of animus against her sex or anything like that. I’m just saying that shooting an unarmed woman indicates a total disregard for optics. They feel invincible now.

  26. Corvinus says:
    @tupelo59

    Oh, Mr. Ramsland.

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/21/fact-check-rudy-giuliani-affidavit-errors/6366011002/

    Giuliani’s source for these percentages was an affidavit authored by Russell Ramsland, a security consultant and former Republican congressional candidate. The document alleges that anomalies in the vote count indicate that Michigan election results were “manipulated.”

    “There were at least 19 precincts where the Presidential Votes Cast compared to the Estimated Voters based on Reported Statistics exceeded 100%,” the affidavit reads. The document then goes on to list the 19 precincts, shown in this screenshot. But there’s a problem, and it’s a big one: All 19 of the precincts cited in the affidavit are actually in Minnesota, not Michigan.

    But perhaps YOU can tell me what happened with the servers seized by the U.S. army in Germany, as alleged by Sydney Powell. She said back in December she would follow up with this story with “bombshell intel”.

    • Replies: @tupelo59
  27. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Realist

    The situation was an unarmed person that was not threatening was murdered.

    She was however engaged in committing a crime.

    How much sympathy would you have for someone who got shot while breaking and entering someone’s house?

    • Replies: @Realist
  28. tupelo59 says:
    @Corvinus

    Take it up with @Mr. Rationale. I was aware of the issues with this guy and the “investigation.” I just fixed the link.

  29. @unit472

    There’d be no reason to cheat in NY, as in IL. Biden was going to win both no matter what. But if Dominion was programmed to shift votes, there would be a difference between the two counties based on vote shifting in Westchester instead of Nassau.

    When I first looked at electoral maps in NY, a number of lower-Hudson counties were pink or red, as was Nassau. They stayed that way for days and I stopped checking. In the interim, mail-in ballots were counted and counties like Rockland that were pink on election-day voting turned light blue (Rockland has a lot of Orthodox Jews who have been pissed off about Cuomo oppression), but I didn’t re-check the numbers).

    That there wasn’t a differential shift between the two counties acquits Dominion in NY.

    Thank you, AE, for the look.

    • Replies: @anon
  30. @unit472

    I think the R woman will be seated in that election, btw.

  31. @nebulafox

    “It’s almost as if the GOP could have taken further advantage of that didn’t know their compulsive need to screw over everybody in favor of the donor class in a time of profound economic crisis.”

    Yep. Provide security to pre-existing-condition people by offering to let them sign up for Medicare and pay for it, and pass a special bailout for looted businesses. Give people things they want and need, and they tend to vote for you.

    The D’s won the house in 2018 not running against Trump but for healthcare. They didn’t deliver, and we STILL have the Scylla of Obamacare Repeal by the Republicans, and All Impeachment All the Time by Democrats. They lost plenty of seats as a result.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  32. Realist says:
    @dfordoom

    She was however engaged in committing a crime.

    A petty crime. Undeserving of summary execution….especially by a police force.

    How much sympathy would you have for someone who got shot while breaking and entering someone’s house?

    Your comparison sucks. The Capitol is the people’s house.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  33. anon[937] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt

    But if Dominion was programmed to shift votes, there would be a difference between the two counties based on vote shifting in Westchester instead of Nassau.

    You assume static programming. Why?

    Dominion machines can be networked, and the code can be changed in realtime. This was demonstrated in the Georgia hearing.

    Your premise is false, therefore you don’t have any meaningful conclusion.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  34. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Realist

    She was however engaged in committing a crime.

    A petty crime. Undeserving of summary execution….especially by a police force.

    The cops shoot people committing petty crimes every day. And right-wingers think that’s OK and they worship the Heroes In Blue.

    This time it was a tragically deluded right-wing woman and suddenly right-wingers are moaning about police brutality.

    Of course she didn’t deserve to die. But if she hadn’t been doing something so incredibly stupid she wouldn’t have died. What the hell did she expect? What did any of those clowns expect? I feel sorry for her but she should have had more sense.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  35. @Peter D. Bredon

    … spies are, well, scumbags trained to lie and deceive.

    Are you acquainted with any intelligence personnel? The ones I have known seem to be normal persons and, as a rule, unremarkable patriots. They no more lie and deceive than police detectives do. Indeed, they probably lie and deceive less. Mainly, as far as I can tell, they are there to gather information.

    Spies are far more normal than, say, professors.

    Concerns regarding the abuse of intelligence apparatus and worry over the apparatus’s incompetence are warranted, but if we imagine that the apparatus consisted of a coven of abnormals instead of ordinary government employees who live in our neighborhoods, mow their lawns, wash their cars, haul their trash to the curb once a week, and hire babysitters now and then so they can take their wives out to The Olive Garden, then we’re not going to be able to guard against intelligence agencies very effectively.

  36. “In 2020, Clinton won Nassau by 6.2 points; in 2020, Biden by 9.5 points. Democrats improved 3.3 points there from 2016 to 2020.”

    I think you mean, in 2016 Clinton won Nassau…. etc.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  37. @anon

    It’s an attempt to puzzle out differences in electoral results. I don’t expect that the Democrats thought they had to cheat in NY State or IL. Interestingly, Trump’s vote share in both went up from 2016 to 2020. That’s a control on the experiment of the national election, where Trumps loss margin widened from 3 million in 2016 to 7 million in 2020. Of course, Trump could have increased his vote share AND increased his loss margin; if he got 40% of 8 million votes in2016, and 45% of 18 million votes in 2020, for trivial example. Turnout WAs higher in 2020 than 2016, and states that were never in question likeNY and MT can serve as a check on “natural” increase in turnout.

    You then come to the issue of Trump’s increased margin in NY, which seems to have come entirely from NYC,with his performance elsewhere in the state dropping (in the whiter parts, fwiw.) upstate NY might serve as an analogue of non-urban PA; does Trump’s drop in support there echo across the border? Or is it perhaps due to Dominion, which was the voting machine of most of the state, EXCEPT FOR NYC and Nassau county.

    It is plausible that Dominion machines,if programmed against Trump, would also switch more votes in near-suburban counties than no -Dominion machines. This the brief look at the issue.

    NY’s elecoral map the day after the election showed a LOTof red counties around the city, including Nassau. Only the counting of an overwhelming number of mail-in ballots eventually turned those counties blue,which is another confirmation of flips from red to blue in other states via mail-in ballots.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @anon
  38. nebulafox says:
    @TomSchmidt

    What makes the GOP’s pro-big business stances particularly stupid is that it ignores the pro-Democratic sentiment normative in Corporate America.

    Corporations reliably adhere to the norms of the higher classes in the country they operate in. In China, that means becoming members of the party. In the Islamic World, you give to zakat charities. And in America, it increasingly means wokeism: which fits in pretty well with the neoliberal view of the world anyhow. A lot of Democrats want to get around the 1st by outsourcing censorship to private companies. It’s mutually beneficial for them. And that’s fine: a company’s job is to make money. But if you don’t hold ascendancy among the educated and affluent in a given culture, taking pro-corporate stances is a really dumb idea, particularly when a lot of Americans would give anything for a candidate willing to stand up to the oligarchs.

  39. anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt

    It is plausible that Dominion machines,if programmed against Trump, would also switch more votes in near-suburban counties than no -Dominion machines.

    Once again you assume that all Dominion machines have the same code. There is no evidence for that and given the known capability of remotely altering Dominion code in real-time, no need for it.

    You don’t seem to understand this concept, either:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

    Your experiment has no meaning, because your premise is false.

    Perhaps you should be working up your justification for looting based on Aristotle instead? That assignment is overdue, dude. Way overdue.

  40. And that’s fine: a company’s job is to make money.

    That is what Milton Friedman wrote. Peter drucker’s take is that an organization is set up or allowed to be set up by a society to serve a certain purpose. Profit in the case of for-profit corporations is the test of how well it serves the purpose for which society allowed it to be created.

    The world looks different when viewed through the Drucker perspective. If the GOP would adopt this, it might help in standing up to the oligarchs.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  41. @Mr. Rational

    This was done thousands of times all over the country.

    And every time it was utterly pointless. The coalition of the freaks and losers has no use for pesky facts – many of which are or soon will be illegal to state. Election fraud is how the left runs every major city. Negroes are crime engines (those pesky FBI facts) and it’s comically stupid to think that they are any more law-abiding when it comes to voting. There’s as much fraud in Wayne County to rival any African nation. Yet not only is all proof ignored, the suggestion that proof might exist is deemed racist (and punishable).

    Our current year standard of proof is whether it’s repeated on every MSM outlet (usually simultaneously) and/or whether negroes claim that it’s true.

  42. @Peter D. Bredon

    I guess the Right now loves spies along with cops and Presidents and other “trustworthy authority figures.”

    It’s amazing how you motherfuckers (I’m a honkie from Detriot so forgive my authentic language) invariably state the complete inversion of reality. Even the backdoor boy Greenwald has has to admit that truth, but you paid hasbara types can snuff it out under an avalanche of your fiction.

    The right (grassroots deplorables), it can be fairly said, was naive about the Israeli President Trump. Out of desperation and hope, they followed the President from Jerusalem. Pathetic yes. Despicable disingenuous parasites, no.

    You people lie in order to get that which you have not (and indeed are incapable of) earning through talent and sweat. The right (our pathetic deplorables) lie to themselves in their silly futile hopes that the next Jewish messiah will actually save them from your predations.

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