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TomSchmidt suggests a spot check for circumstantial evidence of Dominion Voting Systems chicanery in New York:
I’d be interested in an analysis of two suburban NYC counties, AE. Westchester County voted for Biden, more strongly than for Clinton (who lives there) and I think Nassau went for Trump. Last time I think both went for Clinton.
I ask, because both counties are relatively wealthy, and decent analogues of each other. Except: Nassau and Westchester used different voting machine technology, ES&S in the case of the former, and Dominion in the case of the latter. No one is looking for fraud in NY state, and there might be none. But a comparison of the two might be interesting.
Both counties broke Democrat in 2016 and 2020.
In 2016, Clinton won Westchester by 33.7 points; in 2020, Biden won by 36.3 points. Democrats improved 2.6 points there from 2016 to 2020.
In 2016, Clinton won Nassau by 6.2 points; in 2020, Biden by 9.5 points. Democrats improved 3.3 points there from 2016 to 2020.
In the county that did not use the Dominion system the Democrat advantage grew more than it did in the county that used Dominion.
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Who suggested Dominion had a lock on election tampering?
I don’t really follow General Flynn (because yawn) or the fraud stuff (because I don’t have the time to check every claim and counterclaim), but I noticed by accident that Flynn still seems to be promoting the Dominion fraud on Twitter. What are we to make of that? Loyalty to Trump or Powell? Insider intelligence info/intuition? More Russian disinformation campaign?
How about a search for the truth?
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The murder, yesterday, of an Air Force veteran, by the Deep State enforces should convince even the dumbest asshole in this country that they have been played.
Welcome to the long-planned Plutocratic Oligarchy.Replies: @Realist
Stop bigotry! Eradicate racism!
Have a nice day.
What reason would there be to cheat in Nassau or Westchester County? Was New York in play and thus a need to offset strong Trump support in Trump leaning counties? The only suspect election I saw in New York was an upstate Congressional District where a Republican candidate narrowly won in the initial count only for the Democrat to keep ‘finding’ uncounted ballots in the days after the election!
I would say Biden improved over Clinton because (1) tens of thousands of city residents shipped out because of their Covid fears to the suburbs and (2) New York metro area people aren't very sophisticated. They think they are, but they're really a pack of sorry rubes who believe whatever the Narrative tells them to believe.
On the other hand, Trump's performance went UP in NYC.Replies: @nebulafox
When I first looked at electoral maps in NY, a number of lower-Hudson counties were pink or red, as was Nassau. They stayed that way for days and I stopped checking. In the interim, mail-in ballots were counted and counties like Rockland that were pink on election-day voting turned light blue (Rockland has a lot of Orthodox Jews who have been pissed off about Cuomo oppression), but I didn't re-check the numbers).
That there wasn't a differential shift between the two counties acquits Dominion in NY.
Thank you, AE, for the look.Replies: @anon
My point is that, among all Americsns, Flynn by his past intelligence experience is almost uniquely qualified to say whether or not the Dominion fraud theory is plausible. So, what are we to make of his promotion of it? Is it a signal we should pay more heed to it, or is he just supporting Powell or Trump?
I'm still waiting for Sydney Powell (and Flynn) to provide the additional bombshell evidence they claimed to have to support this claim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4BkZsN_d1U
Perhaps you can provide evidence that this event actually happened, right, patriot?
To say dick all. The Left and some of the non-Buckley Right used to be smart enough to know that spies are, well, scumbags trained to lie and deceive. I guess the Right now loves spies along with cops and Presidents and other "trustworthy authority figures."Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Stan d Mute
All of this after the fact hand wringing will accomplish nothing. The Deep State is in its final phase of complete control of the USA. The events of 2020, plus the murder yesterday of an Airforce veteran by the Deep State enforcers should make the grievous situation obvious to even the dumbest asshole in this country.
Your point is spot on. Everyone in the government must be considered a Deep State lackey and an enemy of the American people.
The murder, yesterday, of an Air Force veteran, by the Deep State enforces should convince even the dumbest asshole in this country that they have been played.
Welcome to the long-planned Plutocratic Oligarchy.
Some of Fynn’s family got involved with the Qanon nonsense, he has been persecuted a fair bit too. I think there is something to the Dominion stuff but simple signature verification and bogus voters should always be the focus.
Trumps side has been completely unable to explain what exact fraud was committed in 2020 elections in plain English. My view is that rules were changed to allow unlimited ballot harvesting, you could go get a ballot for your grandmother who’s on dementia, or the homeless guy down the street, or even a relative who passed away yesterday, this is the reason voter turnout ended up where it is. It would’ve been so much more effective if trumps people had found half a dozen real life examples like this and blasted that on national media, instead of continuing to incite their people.
https://youtu.be/VEy5vIWCJLQ
Even if the national media had given it any serious, unfiltered airtime, the part where Sidney Powell went on a frolic about the Venezuela connection (whether true or not) sounded “conspiracy theory” enough for it to be dismissed as nutty (which it was).
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The murder, yesterday, of an Air Force veteran, by the Deep State enforces should convince even the dumbest asshole in this country that they have been played.
Welcome to the long-planned Plutocratic Oligarchy.Replies: @Realist
Should read…Deep State enforcers…
Others have done so, in excruciating detail:
https:depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
This was done thousands of times all over the country.
Our current year standard of proof is whether it’s repeated on every MSM outlet (usually simultaneously) and/or whether negroes claim that it’s true.
Exactly. The cheating was focused exactly where (1) everyone knew it would be needed and (2) they had the necessary ground troops. Pointless in New York. Cheating at the local level is more pertinent and probably happens quite extensively.
I would say Biden improved over Clinton because (1) tens of thousands of city residents shipped out because of their Covid fears to the suburbs and (2) New York metro area people aren’t very sophisticated. They think they are, but they’re really a pack of sorry rubes who believe whatever the Narrative tells them to believe.
On the other hand, Trump’s performance went UP in NYC.
It should be VERY CLEAR that this system is working.
Within 24 an audit should be dumped that can be spot-checked any way you like.
How is it possible that there is doubt of any kind, to the point where forceful mass tourism into the pimped-out inner bowels of democracy’s opium den becomes desirable?
What’s the hold-up? Is there anyone out there who can still organize things?
If we can have Dogecoin, we can have secure voting systems.
As I said over on Kersey’s thread, that it was a woman is particularly telling. For the most part, White men still have a sense of chivalry, and to shoot an unarmed woman is to say, in no uncertain terms, that they don’t feel they even need to care about optics at all anymore because they have fear of the White man. They are completely out of control.
So true! And remember also to never say bad words. Certain words cause violence. You know which ones they are.
Stop bigotry! Eradicate racism!
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“Flynn by his past intelligence experience is almost uniquely qualified to say whether or not the Dominion fraud theory is plausible.”
I’m still waiting for Sydney Powell (and Flynn) to provide the additional bombshell evidence they claimed to have to support this claim.
Perhaps you can provide evidence that this event actually happened, right, patriot?
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The older I get, the more of a 1A fundie I’m becoming. I thought it was supposed to be the other way around?!
I would say Biden improved over Clinton because (1) tens of thousands of city residents shipped out because of their Covid fears to the suburbs and (2) New York metro area people aren't very sophisticated. They think they are, but they're really a pack of sorry rubes who believe whatever the Narrative tells them to believe.
On the other hand, Trump's performance went UP in NYC.Replies: @nebulafox
Biden simply does not radiate contempt for wide swathes of the American public in the way Hillary Clinton did. That, combined with Trump taking the hit for a lousy economy, explains the election. An incumbent with an OK economy doesn’t lose, no matter how clownish or dislikeable he is. That simple.
It’s really not hard to understand. People do not want to understand, whether it is Trumpers trying to deny the obvious about their candidate, GOPers under delusions of returning to Romneyism, or Democrats upset that the voters didn’t reward their own insanity with a blowout and demographic voting results which completely undermine the fundamentals of their whole narrative about America.
>On the other hand, Trump’s performance went UP in NYC.
Strangely enough, a lot of small-time businessmen did not appreciate having their lives destroyed by Antifa and BLM last summer or seeing people like them on TV having their lives destroyed. And in many of these urban areas, those are going to be overwhelmingly non-white owned.
It’s almost as if the GOP could have taken further advantage of that didn’t know their compulsive need to screw over everybody in favor of the donor class in a time of profound economic crisis.
Yep. Provide security to pre-existing-condition people by offering to let them sign up for Medicare and pay for it, and pass a special bailout for looted businesses. Give people things they want and need, and they tend to vote for you.
The D's won the house in 2018 not running against Trump but for healthcare. They didn't deliver, and we STILL have the Scylla of Obamacare Repeal by the Republicans, and All Impeachment All the Time by Democrats. They lost plenty of seats as a result.Replies: @nebulafox
“Flynn by his past intelligence experience is almost uniquely qualified to say…”
To say dick all. The Left and some of the non-Buckley Right used to be smart enough to know that spies are, well, scumbags trained to lie and deceive. I guess the Right now loves spies along with cops and Presidents and other “trustworthy authority figures.”
The right (grassroots deplorables), it can be fairly said, was naive about the Israeli President Trump. Out of desperation and hope, they followed the President from Jerusalem. Pathetic yes. Despicable disingenuous parasites, no.
You people lie in order to get that which you have not (and indeed are incapable of) earning through talent and sweat. The right (our pathetic deplorables) lie to themselves in their silly futile hopes that the next Jewish messiah will actually save them from your predations.
This is a moronic argument. It’s not random counties that need to be checked. It’s specifically the results from Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Milwaukee. Those were the four cities that swung the election. Any fraud only needed to happen in those four cities, where the political establishment is solidly D. Any potential fraudster could have been fine leaving everything else totally alone.
That there is or may be evidence of fraud in localities beyond those four cities does not make it necessary for the fraudsters’ goal, nor does it make fraud required in a wide enough selection of places to be detectable in random spot checks.
Nobody can think anymore.
I don’t know that one can make a women’s issue out of the murder
The situation was an unarmed person that was not threatening was murdered. Yes, unarmed women are usually less of a threat than unarmed men. For me, the most important point you made was they don’t feel they even need to care about optics at all anymore…, I take it you mean the Deep State.
Sadly…they are in complete control.
How much sympathy would you have for someone who got shot while breaking and entering someone's house?Replies: @Realist
I’m not making a “women’s issue” out of the murder. I’m not saying she was shot because of animus against her sex or anything like that. I’m just saying that shooting an unarmed woman indicates a total disregard for optics. They feel invincible now.
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/21/fact-check-rudy-giuliani-affidavit-errors/6366011002/But perhaps YOU can tell me what happened with the servers seized by the U.S. army in Germany, as alleged by Sydney Powell. She said back in December she would follow up with this story with "bombshell intel".Replies: @tupelo59
Oh, Mr. Ramsland.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/21/fact-check-rudy-giuliani-affidavit-errors/6366011002/
But perhaps YOU can tell me what happened with the servers seized by the U.S. army in Germany, as alleged by Sydney Powell. She said back in December she would follow up with this story with “bombshell intel”.
She was however engaged in committing a crime.
How much sympathy would you have for someone who got shot while breaking and entering someone’s house?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/21/fact-check-rudy-giuliani-affidavit-errors/6366011002/But perhaps YOU can tell me what happened with the servers seized by the U.S. army in Germany, as alleged by Sydney Powell. She said back in December she would follow up with this story with "bombshell intel".Replies: @tupelo59
Take it up with e. I was aware of the issues with this guy and the “investigation.” I just fixed the link.
There’d be no reason to cheat in NY, as in IL. Biden was going to win both no matter what. But if Dominion was programmed to shift votes, there would be a difference between the two counties based on vote shifting in Westchester instead of Nassau.
When I first looked at electoral maps in NY, a number of lower-Hudson counties were pink or red, as was Nassau. They stayed that way for days and I stopped checking. In the interim, mail-in ballots were counted and counties like Rockland that were pink on election-day voting turned light blue (Rockland has a lot of Orthodox Jews who have been pissed off about Cuomo oppression), but I didn’t re-check the numbers).
That there wasn’t a differential shift between the two counties acquits Dominion in NY.
Thank you, AE, for the look.
You assume static programming. Why?
Dominion machines can be networked, and the code can be changed in realtime. This was demonstrated in the Georgia hearing.
Your premise is false, therefore you don't have any meaningful conclusion.Replies: @TomSchmidt
I think the R woman will be seated in that election, btw.
“It’s almost as if the GOP could have taken further advantage of that didn’t know their compulsive need to screw over everybody in favor of the donor class in a time of profound economic crisis.”
Yep. Provide security to pre-existing-condition people by offering to let them sign up for Medicare and pay for it, and pass a special bailout for looted businesses. Give people things they want and need, and they tend to vote for you.
The D’s won the house in 2018 not running against Trump but for healthcare. They didn’t deliver, and we STILL have the Scylla of Obamacare Repeal by the Republicans, and All Impeachment All the Time by Democrats. They lost plenty of seats as a result.
How much sympathy would you have for someone who got shot while breaking and entering someone's house?Replies: @Realist
A petty crime. Undeserving of summary execution….especially by a police force.
Your comparison sucks. The Capitol is the people’s house.
This time it was a tragically deluded right-wing woman and suddenly right-wingers are moaning about police brutality.
Of course she didn't deserve to die. But if she hadn't been doing something so incredibly stupid she wouldn't have died. What the hell did she expect? What did any of those clowns expect? I feel sorry for her but she should have had more sense.
When I first looked at electoral maps in NY, a number of lower-Hudson counties were pink or red, as was Nassau. They stayed that way for days and I stopped checking. In the interim, mail-in ballots were counted and counties like Rockland that were pink on election-day voting turned light blue (Rockland has a lot of Orthodox Jews who have been pissed off about Cuomo oppression), but I didn't re-check the numbers).
That there wasn't a differential shift between the two counties acquits Dominion in NY.
Thank you, AE, for the look.Replies: @anon
But if Dominion was programmed to shift votes, there would be a difference between the two counties based on vote shifting in Westchester instead of Nassau.
You assume static programming. Why?
Dominion machines can be networked, and the code can be changed in realtime. This was demonstrated in the Georgia hearing.
Your premise is false, therefore you don’t have any meaningful conclusion.
You then come to the issue of Trump's increased margin in NY, which seems to have come entirely from NYC,with his performance elsewhere in the state dropping (in the whiter parts, fwiw.) upstate NY might serve as an analogue of non-urban PA; does Trump's drop in support there echo across the border? Or is it perhaps due to Dominion, which was the voting machine of most of the state, EXCEPT FOR NYC and Nassau county.
It is plausible that Dominion machines,if programmed against Trump, would also switch more votes in near-suburban counties than no -Dominion machines. This the brief look at the issue.
NY's elecoral map the day after the election showed a LOTof red counties around the city, including Nassau. Only the counting of an overwhelming number of mail-in ballots eventually turned those counties blue,which is another confirmation of flips from red to blue in other states via mail-in ballots.Replies: @anon
The cops shoot people committing petty crimes every day. And right-wingers think that’s OK and they worship the Heroes In Blue.
This time it was a tragically deluded right-wing woman and suddenly right-wingers are moaning about police brutality.
Of course she didn’t deserve to die. But if she hadn’t been doing something so incredibly stupid she wouldn’t have died. What the hell did she expect? What did any of those clowns expect? I feel sorry for her but she should have had more sense.
To say dick all. The Left and some of the non-Buckley Right used to be smart enough to know that spies are, well, scumbags trained to lie and deceive. I guess the Right now loves spies along with cops and Presidents and other "trustworthy authority figures."Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Stan d Mute
Are you acquainted with any intelligence personnel? The ones I have known seem to be normal persons and, as a rule, unremarkable patriots. They no more lie and deceive than police detectives do. Indeed, they probably lie and deceive less. Mainly, as far as I can tell, they are there to gather information.
Spies are far more normal than, say, professors.
Concerns regarding the abuse of intelligence apparatus and worry over the apparatus’s incompetence are warranted, but if we imagine that the apparatus consisted of a coven of abnormals instead of ordinary government employees who live in our neighborhoods, mow their lawns, wash their cars, haul their trash to the curb once a week, and hire babysitters now and then so they can take their wives out to The Olive Garden, then we’re not going to be able to guard against intelligence agencies very effectively.
“In 2020, Clinton won Nassau by 6.2 points; in 2020, Biden by 9.5 points. Democrats improved 3.3 points there from 2016 to 2020.”
I think you mean, in 2016 Clinton won Nassau…. etc.
You assume static programming. Why?
Dominion machines can be networked, and the code can be changed in realtime. This was demonstrated in the Georgia hearing.
Your premise is false, therefore you don't have any meaningful conclusion.Replies: @TomSchmidt
It’s an attempt to puzzle out differences in electoral results. I don’t expect that the Democrats thought they had to cheat in NY State or IL. Interestingly, Trump’s vote share in both went up from 2016 to 2020. That’s a control on the experiment of the national election, where Trumps loss margin widened from 3 million in 2016 to 7 million in 2020. Of course, Trump could have increased his vote share AND increased his loss margin; if he got 40% of 8 million votes in2016, and 45% of 18 million votes in 2020, for trivial example. Turnout WAs higher in 2020 than 2016, and states that were never in question likeNY and MT can serve as a check on “natural” increase in turnout.
You then come to the issue of Trump’s increased margin in NY, which seems to have come entirely from NYC,with his performance elsewhere in the state dropping (in the whiter parts, fwiw.) upstate NY might serve as an analogue of non-urban PA; does Trump’s drop in support there echo across the border? Or is it perhaps due to Dominion, which was the voting machine of most of the state, EXCEPT FOR NYC and Nassau county.
It is plausible that Dominion machines,if programmed against Trump, would also switch more votes in near-suburban counties than no -Dominion machines. This the brief look at the issue.
NY’s elecoral map the day after the election showed a LOTof red counties around the city, including Nassau. Only the counting of an overwhelming number of mail-in ballots eventually turned those counties blue,which is another confirmation of flips from red to blue in other states via mail-in ballots.
Once again you assume that all Dominion machines have the same code. There is no evidence for that and given the known capability of remotely altering Dominion code in real-time, no need for it.
You don't seem to understand this concept, either:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle
Your experiment has no meaning, because your premise is false.
Perhaps you should be working up your justification for looting based on Aristotle instead? That assignment is overdue, dude. Way overdue.
Yep. Provide security to pre-existing-condition people by offering to let them sign up for Medicare and pay for it, and pass a special bailout for looted businesses. Give people things they want and need, and they tend to vote for you.
The D's won the house in 2018 not running against Trump but for healthcare. They didn't deliver, and we STILL have the Scylla of Obamacare Repeal by the Republicans, and All Impeachment All the Time by Democrats. They lost plenty of seats as a result.Replies: @nebulafox
What makes the GOP’s pro-big business stances particularly stupid is that it ignores the pro-Democratic sentiment normative in Corporate America.
Corporations reliably adhere to the norms of the higher classes in the country they operate in. In China, that means becoming members of the party. In the Islamic World, you give to zakat charities. And in America, it increasingly means wokeism: which fits in pretty well with the neoliberal view of the world anyhow. A lot of Democrats want to get around the 1st by outsourcing censorship to private companies. It’s mutually beneficial for them. And that’s fine: a company’s job is to make money. But if you don’t hold ascendancy among the educated and affluent in a given culture, taking pro-corporate stances is a really dumb idea, particularly when a lot of Americans would give anything for a candidate willing to stand up to the oligarchs.
You then come to the issue of Trump's increased margin in NY, which seems to have come entirely from NYC,with his performance elsewhere in the state dropping (in the whiter parts, fwiw.) upstate NY might serve as an analogue of non-urban PA; does Trump's drop in support there echo across the border? Or is it perhaps due to Dominion, which was the voting machine of most of the state, EXCEPT FOR NYC and Nassau county.
It is plausible that Dominion machines,if programmed against Trump, would also switch more votes in near-suburban counties than no -Dominion machines. This the brief look at the issue.
NY's elecoral map the day after the election showed a LOTof red counties around the city, including Nassau. Only the counting of an overwhelming number of mail-in ballots eventually turned those counties blue,which is another confirmation of flips from red to blue in other states via mail-in ballots.Replies: @anon
It is plausible that Dominion machines,if programmed against Trump, would also switch more votes in near-suburban counties than no -Dominion machines.
Once again you assume that all Dominion machines have the same code. There is no evidence for that and given the known capability of remotely altering Dominion code in real-time, no need for it.
You don’t seem to understand this concept, either:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle
Your experiment has no meaning, because your premise is false.
Perhaps you should be working up your justification for looting based on Aristotle instead? That assignment is overdue, dude. Way overdue.
That is what Milton Friedman wrote. Peter drucker’s take is that an organization is set up or allowed to be set up by a society to serve a certain purpose. Profit in the case of for-profit corporations is the test of how well it serves the purpose for which society allowed it to be created.
The world looks different when viewed through the Drucker perspective. If the GOP would adopt this, it might help in standing up to the oligarchs.
And every time it was utterly pointless. The coalition of the freaks and losers has no use for pesky facts – many of which are or soon will be illegal to state. Election fraud is how the left runs every major city. Negroes are crime engines (those pesky FBI facts) and it’s comically stupid to think that they are any more law-abiding when it comes to voting. There’s as much fraud in Wayne County to rival any African nation. Yet not only is all proof ignored, the suggestion that proof might exist is deemed racist (and punishable).
Our current year standard of proof is whether it’s repeated on every MSM outlet (usually simultaneously) and/or whether negroes claim that it’s true.
To say dick all. The Left and some of the non-Buckley Right used to be smart enough to know that spies are, well, scumbags trained to lie and deceive. I guess the Right now loves spies along with cops and Presidents and other "trustworthy authority figures."Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Stan d Mute
It’s amazing how you motherfuckers (I’m a honkie from Detriot so forgive my authentic language) invariably state the complete inversion of reality. Even the backdoor boy Greenwald has has to admit that truth, but you paid hasbara types can snuff it out under an avalanche of your fiction.
The right (grassroots deplorables), it can be fairly said, was naive about the Israeli President Trump. Out of desperation and hope, they followed the President from Jerusalem. Pathetic yes. Despicable disingenuous parasites, no.
You people lie in order to get that which you have not (and indeed are incapable of) earning through talent and sweat. The right (our pathetic deplorables) lie to themselves in their silly futile hopes that the next Jewish messiah will actually save them from your predations.