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This is effective rhetoric, but it’s more than just that. Children and young adults are at virtually no risk from Covid. The flu–even the common cold–is more dangerous to them than Covid is. Forcing kids to wear masks doesn’t do the kids any good. To the contrary, it likely harms them both physically and psychologically.

What are the developmental consequences for babies who never see the facial expressions of the adults around them? Of elementary school students who have their concentration broken every twenty seconds by an urge to readjust the thing obstructing their breathing? Mask mandates force children to suffer for the benefit of the old and infirm.

 
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  1. Mask mandates force children to suffer for the benefit of the old and infirm.

    One way to understand the current panicdemic is as a farewell middle finger from Boomers+ to younger generations. In prior and deadlier epidemics there was no such thing as a “lockdown”, there was merely the aggregate of private actions to reduce harm in whatever way anyone thought most efficacious to their particular circumstances. This year, faced with a heavier-than-usual flu season, which mainly affects the older generation, we have a historically unprecedented global totalitarian response, the burden of which is disproportionately borne by the young so that some meager benefit may be reaped by the old.

    This dynamic is perhaps most starkly on display at colleges, where the generation that ecstatically rioted to take over the universities in the 1960s, now that they are in control of those same institutions, has peremptorily shutdown every remaining pleasant, human, and free aspect of tertiary education so they can maximize their own convenience (“teach” from home in pajama bottoms) while diminishing their young students to nothing more than captive video heads. The young are the most restricted while their risk was effectively zero. Their elderly teachers are the most free while they gain modest risk reductions from everyone else’s sacrifice. If the restrictions on student-to-student social contact seem oddly overdone for their stated purpose, that’s because they are. The Boomers know perfectly well what they would have done as students in these circumstances, and they want to be absolutely sure that it is not done to them, now that they are the ones in control.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Almost Missouri

    This is exactly right, and I will not hold it against you in the least that I said the same thing many, many months before. Nobody listens to me, after all. I think they will listen to you.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    College student here, and you're way off. None of us are mad we can't go to class. There was some trepidation that we wouldn't be able to have parties, but it soon became clear that there was not the political capital to enforce whatever prohibitions we have. My mom called me up and asked if there's gonna be a stay-at-home order, and I'm like, hell if I know. I don't even pay attention any more. For many of us, it's dream come true, the college experience, the parties, with all that pesky learning able to be minimized while we surf the net. Only consistent complaint is that the football and basketball games aren't happening.

    IMHO the most upset about the lockdowns are snowflake small business owners on the gen-X/boomer boundary who seem to think they are the master race and that everyone should just die so that their sales don't go down. I would agree that we're probably doing too much to prevent COVID, but I think the main thing here is voluntary decisions, not the government. Sweden had easy-go lockdown and the same economic decline as its neighbors with more COVID deaths.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Almost Missouri, @Dumbo

    , @obwandiyag
    @Almost Missouri

    Generation-baiting is just like race-baiting. Pro- or -anti, it's all the same thing. And you're wrong ab0ut everything, you understand nothing, you have no experience, no knowledge, no education, and you are cut off from history because you think it boring.

    Old people tremble for the fate of the nation because of how stupid young people like you are.

  2. One way to understand the current panicdemic is as a farewell middle finger from Boomers+ to younger generations.

    Another way to understand it is as an example of the crybaby younger generations doing what they do best – crying when they don’t get what they want.

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it. They took to the streets, and risked being beaten up by the police.

    The only members of the crybaby younger generations getting off their asses and doing something is the antifa loons. They’re stupid and crazy and evil but at least they’re doing more than sitting in the corner sobbing about how unfair it all is and how mean the Boomers have been to them.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @dfordoom

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it.

    Oh like doing acid and buying into left-wing propaganda? How productive.

    Boomers are the biggest suckers in the world. Just look at how many buy into that Con In crap.

    A certain talk show host has a million boomers thinking that "minimal government" will fix all our problems including racial conflicts. You see Blacks just need a pep talk about capitalism. Health care just need more tax breaks. Tax breaks where? SHUT UP SOCIALIST.

    So friggin stupid.

    Boomers are a generation of race deniers. Every single one of their leaders puts feelies over reality when it comes to race. To this day I still haven't met a single boomer in real life that could think critically about race. They all get emotional when you bring up the subject and will go on semi-coherent rants about how it is either racist Whites or socialists that cause all racial problems. Did they take too much acid?

    But my favorite is when boomer conservatives talk about "the Black at work/vietnam" as if that somehow negates complex conflicts cause by thousands of years of racial separation. Well I have this pal at work and he's Black and he is a really good welder. Then they start talking about MLK (not Cosby anymore).

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    , @Getaclue
    @dfordoom

    The Mainslime Media and "Elite" (many of which were actually covert Communists just as Sen. Joseph McCarthy charged they were -- we now know this post the fall of the Soviet Union....) were actually totally in bed with the "radical" Lefty Boomers, they loved them some Abbie Hoffman, Rubin-Yippees and all the rest of those "cool" Lefty Commie dudes -- you missed that?

    Drugged out "journalists" like Hunter S. Thompson lauded them and were lauded and enriched-- "Fear And Loathing" Man as the "turned on" Lefties took on "the man" -- the "cool" thing was to be down with the Boomer Lefty "protesters" who, unless they actually murdered someone (and even then maybe not Angela Davis, Bill Ayers et al), paid no real price for any destruction they wrought by bombs or otherwise....-- it was/is not as you portray it at all --

    Tom Wolfe covered this somewhat in his writing as to Leftist "Elite" big shots meeting with the Black Panthers for parties and fawning over them etc. -- Cronkite did more for the Viet Cong/Communists in destroying the USA and turning Viet Nam over to the Communists than anyone in country ever did and now the same "Elite"/Mainslime Media are totally on the side of the Boomers and NWO Leftists for lockdowns, Masks and other insanity to bring in The Great Reset NWO Socialist/Communist utopia --

    What happened then and what happened now shows the same Leftist creeps getting the same protection from the "Elite" and their Mainslime Media -- those who are contrary to this Agenda will be targeted to be crushed and we are seeing that daily....your analysis is garbage historically

    , @Pop Warner
    @dfordoom


    They took to the streets, and risked being beaten up by the police
     
    Oh please, they were the same whiny corporate jackboots as the queers in antifa out rioting. You're as much of a stooge as them if you seriously believe some middle class yids throwing hissy fits warranted some kind of police response. The entitled bourgeois rioters at Kent State were lucky that only four people were killed; far more deserved to for their academia and media-backed savagery
    , @anon
    @dfordoom

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it.

    Lol, they sat in their dorm rooms and got high. Then they went to their family doctor and got "tennis elbow". Then they got a draft deferment and went to seminary because of a "spiritual calling". Then after the draft was cancelled in 1973 they went off and sold insurance.

    That's what Boomers did.

    l.o.l.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    , @fnn
    @dfordoom


    The only members of the crybaby younger generations getting off their asses and doing something is the antifa loons. They’re stupid and crazy and evil but at least they’re doing more than sitting in the corner sobbing about how unfair it all is and how mean the Boomers have been to them.
     
    Antifa is an arm of the Deep State/Permanent Govt . DOJ has shown an extreme lack of interest in prosecuting them and FBI follows the Democrat line that they are "just an idea." Local jurisdictions where they are active are controlled by Democrats who tell the local cops to handle them with kid gloves.
  3. Funny meme, but dumb.

    Bio-ethical pro-choice arguments are about the embryo, the foetus (etc.), not being a PERSON – and no, sophists, being a ‘person’ and being ‘human’ are DIFFERENT things.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    That's not why this meme is stupid. The meme is stupid because fetuses have no say in whether they will be killed or not. People who don't want the Kung Flu can stay the hell inside, shop on-line, or just keep well away from me with their own masks on. Oh, and don't antagonize me for not wearing one, because one drop of spittle goes a long way, so they say.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Dumbo
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    Huh?

    Of course the fetus is a person. It's an individual different from the mother.

    Do fetuses have souls?

    And gingers?

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    There is no mention of "person" or "human", only of a "body". It's more finely crafted than you're giving it credit for.

  4. Mask mandates force children to suffer for the benefit of the old and infirm.

    Yeah, well, you have to keep paying your payroll taxes so we don’t have to cancel our summer vacations, so get used to it.

  5. @Vergissmeinnicht
    Funny meme, but dumb.

    Bio-ethical pro-choice arguments are about the embryo, the foetus (etc.), not being a PERSON – and no, sophists, being a 'person' and being 'human' are DIFFERENT things.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Dumbo, @Audacious Epigone

    That’s not why this meme is stupid. The meme is stupid because fetuses have no say in whether they will be killed or not. People who don’t want the Kung Flu can stay the hell inside, shop on-line, or just keep well away from me with their own masks on. Oh, and don’t antagonize me for not wearing one, because one drop of spittle goes a long way, so they say.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Actually, I take this one back. The meme itself is effective. It's just that even if people weren't hypocritical about it, there's still no comparison between those having abortions and THE UNMASKED, gasp!

  6. A.E. you really hit home with your paragraphs about the little ones. That “if it saves just ONE CHILD” bit with the gun control, etc. bit is laughable, but where are these “for the children” people now?

    I hope you don’t mind if I put a few links in there, as this is something Peak Stupidity has been writing about for months. Regarding the masks effects on the minds of babies, see Scenes from the Kung Flu Summer re-Panic – Part 6 (yeah, that series goes up to 13).

    The kids can’t even play tag at recess, because they must stay 6 ft. apart even when WEARING MASKS! My boy said the teachers have to watch for this, and he got nicked by his teacher once already. Forward, Soviet! Oh, even though they got back to real school for part of each week, he looks forward to getting through it to take off his mask.

    Otherwise they can only take them off for lunch and for some short break during gym, when, in fact, they are not allowed to handle the ball with their hands, only feet. They have some new games, and I joke about whether this PanicFest is not just a way to force Americans to get into Communist Kickball, aka, soccer. ;-}

    My boy handed me his mask outside the school in the afternoon, and because he should know to handle his own trash, I told him “you take it. Put it in your pocket”. He was so sick of it, that I just stuck it into a bush. I’m no litterer in general, but when some Brit lefty scold Mom told me “now, that’s not what we do with that.” I used some bad language (at least as alleged by the School Resource Officer, aka cop the next day when he talked to me about it), and I put it deeper into another bush.

    I’ve about had enough of this shit, and, no, it’s not good for the kids at all. I’m now going maskless in all stores just to piss off the hysterics. Most times, nobody says a word.

    In Escape from Stupidity and Escape from Stupidity II, I describe what it’s like to return to a sane world, at the park. 50 parents/kids were out, kids were fencing with 10ft sticks, smaller kids were all over the playground with a social distance of about 0, snot and spittle are flying around, and the parents, after getting done throwing the frisbee or football with the kids, are standing around freezing their asses off, at about 2 ft. apart. Only people with masks: A soccer coach for the little kids who admitted they make him wear the mask, and some Chinese lady, oh, and the parents giving out free cupcakes and chips (the latter just to cover their asses, no, not literally!)

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  7. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    That's not why this meme is stupid. The meme is stupid because fetuses have no say in whether they will be killed or not. People who don't want the Kung Flu can stay the hell inside, shop on-line, or just keep well away from me with their own masks on. Oh, and don't antagonize me for not wearing one, because one drop of spittle goes a long way, so they say.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Actually, I take this one back. The meme itself is effective. It’s just that even if people weren’t hypocritical about it, there’s still no comparison between those having abortions and THE UNMASKED, gasp!

  8. Mask mandates force children to suffer for the benefit of the old and infirm.

    No, mask mandates train children for their future duty: Devolve and conform, or die.

  9. @Vergissmeinnicht
    Funny meme, but dumb.

    Bio-ethical pro-choice arguments are about the embryo, the foetus (etc.), not being a PERSON – and no, sophists, being a 'person' and being 'human' are DIFFERENT things.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Dumbo, @Audacious Epigone

    Huh?

    Of course the fetus is a person. It’s an individual different from the mother.

    Do fetuses have souls?

    And gingers?

  10. Masks (muzzles) are a symbol of conformism.

  11. If masks really worked to flatten the curve we wouldn’t have had the recent big case increases in the many states like California where studies have found mask compliance is at over a 95% level for months. If you point this out to mask proponents, they start shifting the goal posts and say people are not wearing the right masks, aren’t wearing masks properly or that compliance needs to be at 100%. To reach 100% compliance would require totalitarian enforcement methods and is not feasible. This is especially the case in the U.S. which has large concentrated populations of poor nonwhites. Enforcing mask laws in this era of “defund the police” in these areas is also not feasible.

    You need to come up with solutions that are actually viable and the mask proponents living in their fantasy world shouldn’t be listened to. Any solutions must be both workable and have benefits which exceed costs. Allowing businesses to operate to prevent mass bankruptcies, sheltering high risk categories of people and prioritizing them for vaccinations all seem to fall in this category.

    What about similar situations in the future? Commenters Dfordoom and Jtgw here have suggested very early Chinese travel bans. That may work but several things would have to change. The media and liberal politicians would need to stop labeling proponents as racist as happened this time. The disease this time entered the U.S. from Europe and came in there through Italy from China so early travel bans should have been done there. The WHO came out against travel bans early on so we need to ignore large international organizations that may not be representing the interests of Americans. Trump advisor Peter Navarro wanted an early travel ban but Fauci was against it so long time bureaucratic swamp denizens like Fauci with bad track records should be ignored by future Republican presidents.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    If masks really worked to flatten the curve we wouldn’t have had the recent big case increases in the many states like California where studies have found mask compliance is at over a 95% level for months. If you point this out to mask proponents, they start shifting the goal posts and say people are not wearing the right masks, aren’t wearing masks properly or that compliance needs to be at 100%.

    The truth is probably in the middle.

    The pro-mask side certainly has too much faith in masks alone as a solution. As you said we already have areas with high compliance rates like California where they have ordered another lockdown. But I don't think that in turn is a valid argument for no masks.

    I was at the store last night and around 1/4 of the people either had taken them off once inside or were wearing them incorrectly.

    But even if everyone wore them correctly there would be still be the problem of Americans doing stuff like traveling during thanksgiving. Probably too many people like Newsom that just assume everyone else will follow the rules.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @Mark G.

  12. The flu–even the common cold–is more dangerous to them than Covid is.

    You might want to tell that to your buddy, Steve Sailer. He’s been as wrong about Covid as he is about everything else he languidly quips about. But criticizing Steverino is one thing that doesn’t fly around here. I’ve never caught more flak for anything I’ve said online than I have for pulling the mask off the organized idiocy that is Sailer Nation. But on to more important things…

    It isn’t just the 2020 election that was stolen. It isn’t just the Biden regime that is illegitimate. The whole Leftist agenda, as incarnated by the modern Democratic Party, is theft and illegitimacy on a grand scale. Their program is an offence against reason and righteousness. It has been mentioned before, but not often enough, that unjust edicts lack the character of law and need not be followed. Mask mandates, abortion, affirmative action, and everything else the Left has pushed for decades are all unjust. Nobody has to listen to these things. It’s time we just stopped doing so.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Intelligent Dasein


    You might want to tell that to your buddy, Steve Sailer. He’s been as wrong about Covid as he is about everything else he languidly quips about
     
    Anatoly Karlin was even more wrong about Covid, but whoever does call him on it, gets banned. At least Steve doesn't mind the criticism.

    Steve loves statistics, so what he really does is to apply statistics to basically everything - race, movie reviews, golf, Covid "pandemic", etc. But, not much of a deeper discussion of other issues.

    Covid is simply a lie. No one really knows how many people really died "from' Covid (and not "with" Covid), neither they know if they really had Covid (as the test is not reliable), nor it is clear which are the complete symptoms or even the mode of transmission.

    All we hear about is an "increasing number of cases" that leads everyone into panic and authorities into dictatorial mode - and yet, the "increasing number of cases" never manage to increase much the excess death statistics.

    Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

  13. @Almost Missouri

    Mask mandates force children to suffer for the benefit of the old and infirm.
     
    One way to understand the current panicdemic is as a farewell middle finger from Boomers+ to younger generations. In prior and deadlier epidemics there was no such thing as a "lockdown", there was merely the aggregate of private actions to reduce harm in whatever way anyone thought most efficacious to their particular circumstances. This year, faced with a heavier-than-usual flu season, which mainly affects the older generation, we have a historically unprecedented global totalitarian response, the burden of which is disproportionately borne by the young so that some meager benefit may be reaped by the old.

    This dynamic is perhaps most starkly on display at colleges, where the generation that ecstatically rioted to take over the universities in the 1960s, now that they are in control of those same institutions, has peremptorily shutdown every remaining pleasant, human, and free aspect of tertiary education so they can maximize their own convenience ("teach" from home in pajama bottoms) while diminishing their young students to nothing more than captive video heads. The young are the most restricted while their risk was effectively zero. Their elderly teachers are the most free while they gain modest risk reductions from everyone else's sacrifice. If the restrictions on student-to-student social contact seem oddly overdone for their stated purpose, that's because they are. The Boomers know perfectly well what they would have done as students in these circumstances, and they want to be absolutely sure that it is not done to them, now that they are the ones in control.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous, @obwandiyag

    This is exactly right, and I will not hold it against you in the least that I said the same thing many, many months before. Nobody listens to me, after all. I think they will listen to you.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Thanks.

    Though I don't think it's true that no one listens to you. A glance at your comment timeline shows lots of favorable reaction buttons and engaged replies from people who obviously did listen to your comment, even if they do not all agree with it. Speaking for myself, your handle was one of the first on my "Follow Commenter" list, even though I don't always agree either. But I do always appreciate a clear and independent viewpoint, articulately stated.

  14. Ill never understand anti-abortion activists.

    Do you really wish all those millions of babies that would have been born to crackwhores and methheads could be here to enrich us with their sharpened screwdrivers and their disability money?

    It’s like Christians are a self-destructive enemy of civilization whose only objecticlve in life is to degrade the quality of everything.

    No wonder the global historical trend has been to shun and oppress Christians.

    Do you guys really think the entire world is wrong?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @JohnPlywood


    Ill never understand anti-abortion activists.
     
    That's because you're an idiot.

    The issue is not one for utilitarian analysis. The principle is that it is wrong to deliberately destroy innocent human beings. If you cannot understand that, then you can remove yourself from civilization and go live with the beasts where you belong.

    If you really want to eliminate crack-whores and their babies, then work to eliminate state-sponsored welfare. That will do the job right quick.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @JohnPlywood

    , @Cloudbuster
    @JohnPlywood

    I doubt abortions lower the birthrate much. They are there, so people use them. With the knowledge that there is no easy abortion backstop, people avoid pregnancy earlier in the process.

    Besides, virtually all Western nations are reproducing below replacement rate. It is not as though we couldn't use a few more babies. I suspect that low birthrate has more to do with feminism, birth control, economic competition against the White working class and the general materialism and nihilism of the affluent segment of the population.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @John Johnson

    , @Servant of Gla'aki
    @JohnPlywood


    Do you guys really think the entire world is wrong?
     
    YES
  15. The primary purpose of universal masking is conformity and humiliation.

    Even if you think that’s not the point, then at the very least it’s disrespectful of the citizenry because it assumes that people aren’t responsible to act appropriately, therefore there must be a universal mandate that takes away the proper judgment of individuals.

    The only circumstance in which a mask prevents (or at least marginally retards) the spread of the virus is when a symptomatic person is wearing one. The “mask blocks dangerous spittle” concept is somewhat correct.

    The airborne virus is too small to be stopped by a porous mask of any material. All of the jokes about “underwear doesn’t stop your farts” and videos of people blowing smoke through the mask are funny, but they are funny because there is an element of truth to them. Those particles are upwards of thousands of times bigger than the virus particle and the mask doesn’t stop them, why would we expect the mask to stop the much smaller virus?

    Similarly, there is NO SUCH THING as asymptomatic spread, at least as far as from people who haven’t previously been sick. Symptoms are the sign of an infection and an infection is the only way the virus can reproduce and spread. If you don’t have symptoms, you are not infected and you are not contagious. Yes, people who were previously sick can be contagious for a period of time after the symptoms disappear, but truly “asymptomatic” people who haven’t recently been sick are not at risk of spreading the virus. We have known this about respiratory viruses for at least the past hundred years and there is nothing unique in this regard about this particular respiratory virus.

    Symptomatic people do spread it and the mask can catch their snot and spit and prevent it from being spread.

    The reason we have “asymptomatic infections” is because the testing regime is so screwed up and way too sensitive. A person with viral detritus in their nose is not infected and not contagious, but we do not differentiate between actual infections and dead virus particles in the dust in someone’s nose. We simply say, “LOOK AT THESE CASES!” and panic more. There is no such thing as a person who is infected without symptoms, there are only people with scraps of viral RNA in their nose.

    So why universal masking and not just a recommendation that symptomatic people stay home and only go out in a mask?

    The good faith answer – though still objectively bad – is that government doesn’t trust or respect the people to be responsible and isolate when symptomatic. Therefore, everyone is a suspected spreader and must a wear a mask.

    The bad faith answer – and just as likely – is that these politicians simply like bossing people around and humiliating them.

    As I wrote in a similar comment to one of Sailer’s posts, we are all Havel’s Greengrocer and the sign in the window is now the mask on our face.

    • Agree: Getaclue
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JR Ewing

    Good comment, JR. Regarding:


    The only circumstance in which a mask prevents (or at least marginally retards) the spread of the virus is when a symptomatic person is wearing one. The “mask blocks dangerous spittle” concept is somewhat correct.
     

    Symptomatic people do spread it and the mask can catch their snot and spit and prevent it from being spread.
     
    Right. It's been rude to sneeze right at people or get so excited (like HA) here that you end up spitting in their faces, especially when people can hear you cough up phlegm just before or after. It's been rude to go around really sick, but nobody was demanding that everyone mask up to protect him before. I mean, that's even during those bad flu seasons in the past, and with some strange new ones, usually from the Orient.

    Your bad faith answer is only partially correct. Governments at all levels could not get away with this if millions of Americans had not become hysterical about this Kung Flu based on the 24/7 Infotainment barrage. I don't really put it all on the Lyin' Press either. They are taking full advantage of this PanicFest, but then many of the people involved are hysterical themselves. Anyone who has ever dealt with "journalists" knows they they are not near the brightest bulbs in the fixture.

    Your last sentence rings true to me. Thanks, JR.
  16. Children and young adults are at virtually no risk from Covid.

    And the risk to healthy, old people is very low.

  17. The US has now reached 5% of the population found to have been infected with Covid. Almost none of the 16 million plus confirmed cases involve children. Requiring children to wear masks is, thus, irrational.

    What is curious is that the SJW concerns about systemic racism have, in the name of public health, inflicted the most damage on negro and latino school kids. Distance learning is a total failure for these kids. Many don’t even log on to the video instruction the schools have tried to provide. These kids have lost a year’s worth of instruction. Do we want to make it two?

    The academic achievement gap between black and white is going to accelerate as a result of the closing of schools. The reality is most negro students don’t progress much beyond the elementary school level as it is. If negro kids don’t even attain that they are screwed.

  18. Masks mandated are for the exclusive purpose f breaking the people down so they are easier to cow, then (I beieve) destroy. Maybe the people will be so demoralized and cowed they will killl themselves and each other, saving our masters from having to do that dirty bit of business themselves.

    So kids are not ordered to wear masks to benefit other people. Not one bit.

    I wonder if there might be an anti-mask-wearer backlash sometime soon. Maskers getting punched out. That could be easily managed, and might be very effective in diverting attention from the big scam/reset that is the actual big operation going on right now. Fauci has flipped and flopped on masks, and look for him to do it again. Coronavirus® is just a convenient, manufactured distraction.

  19. @dfordoom

    One way to understand the current panicdemic is as a farewell middle finger from Boomers+ to younger generations.
     
    Another way to understand it is as an example of the crybaby younger generations doing what they do best - crying when they don't get what they want.

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it. They took to the streets, and risked being beaten up by the police.

    The only members of the crybaby younger generations getting off their asses and doing something is the antifa loons. They're stupid and crazy and evil but at least they're doing more than sitting in the corner sobbing about how unfair it all is and how mean the Boomers have been to them.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Getaclue, @Pop Warner, @anon, @fnn

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it.

    Oh like doing acid and buying into left-wing propaganda? How productive.

    Boomers are the biggest suckers in the world. Just look at how many buy into that Con In crap.

    A certain talk show host has a million boomers thinking that “minimal government” will fix all our problems including racial conflicts. You see Blacks just need a pep talk about capitalism. Health care just need more tax breaks. Tax breaks where? SHUT UP SOCIALIST.

    So friggin stupid.

    Boomers are a generation of race deniers. Every single one of their leaders puts feelies over reality when it comes to race. To this day I still haven’t met a single boomer in real life that could think critically about race. They all get emotional when you bring up the subject and will go on semi-coherent rants about how it is either racist Whites or socialists that cause all racial problems. Did they take too much acid?

    But my favorite is when boomer conservatives talk about “the Black at work/vietnam” as if that somehow negates complex conflicts cause by thousands of years of racial separation. Well I have this pal at work and he’s Black and he is a really good welder. Then they start talking about MLK (not Cosby anymore).

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @John Johnson

    My goodness are you confused. What an intractable pile of infantile gobbledegook. Reads like a retard mumbling.

    Oh, wait. I get it. Your a generation-baiting troll. That's a very useful type troll to the fuckers in charge.

    And I just got you a quarter by responding. Enjoy your quarter. I guess you'll be seeing me in Mexico, rich guy.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  20. Even though liberals are the most prone to enforcing mask usage and shaming who doesn’t use them (isn’t liberalism really the new puritanism?), I see mask fatigue among liberals too. Only they think, “the vaccine will save us!”.

    Only, it won’t. They are now saying lockdown and masks will continue even after vaccine. Biden wants 100 days of masks.

  21. @Mark G.
    If masks really worked to flatten the curve we wouldn't have had the recent big case increases in the many states like California where studies have found mask compliance is at over a 95% level for months. If you point this out to mask proponents, they start shifting the goal posts and say people are not wearing the right masks, aren't wearing masks properly or that compliance needs to be at 100%. To reach 100% compliance would require totalitarian enforcement methods and is not feasible. This is especially the case in the U.S. which has large concentrated populations of poor nonwhites. Enforcing mask laws in this era of "defund the police" in these areas is also not feasible.

    You need to come up with solutions that are actually viable and the mask proponents living in their fantasy world shouldn't be listened to. Any solutions must be both workable and have benefits which exceed costs. Allowing businesses to operate to prevent mass bankruptcies, sheltering high risk categories of people and prioritizing them for vaccinations all seem to fall in this category.

    What about similar situations in the future? Commenters Dfordoom and Jtgw here have suggested very early Chinese travel bans. That may work but several things would have to change. The media and liberal politicians would need to stop labeling proponents as racist as happened this time. The disease this time entered the U.S. from Europe and came in there through Italy from China so early travel bans should have been done there. The WHO came out against travel bans early on so we need to ignore large international organizations that may not be representing the interests of Americans. Trump advisor Peter Navarro wanted an early travel ban but Fauci was against it so long time bureaucratic swamp denizens like Fauci with bad track records should be ignored by future Republican presidents.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    If masks really worked to flatten the curve we wouldn’t have had the recent big case increases in the many states like California where studies have found mask compliance is at over a 95% level for months. If you point this out to mask proponents, they start shifting the goal posts and say people are not wearing the right masks, aren’t wearing masks properly or that compliance needs to be at 100%.

    The truth is probably in the middle.

    The pro-mask side certainly has too much faith in masks alone as a solution. As you said we already have areas with high compliance rates like California where they have ordered another lockdown. But I don’t think that in turn is a valid argument for no masks.

    I was at the store last night and around 1/4 of the people either had taken them off once inside or were wearing them incorrectly.

    But even if everyone wore them correctly there would be still be the problem of Americans doing stuff like traveling during thanksgiving. Probably too many people like Newsom that just assume everyone else will follow the rules.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @John Johnson

    The recovery rate is over 99.7% from this dreaded "plague" -- even based on the incredibly inflated "death" numbers of the CDC that has chunked everything from alcohol poisoned dead drunks to crash victims in as "Covid 19" -- with Hospitals being bribed tens of thousands of dollars per case to do this at their level of "medicine"....--

    The "rules" are bs -- there is no Scientific basis for "locking down" healthy people, the "social distancing" concept literally comes from a 15 year old girl's 3rd Place finish in her High School Science Contest in 2006 which her father who worked at DHS then weaponized (i.e. there is NO actual Science behind it and it has NEVER been taught in infectious medicine in Textbooks or otherwise, ever....) --

    All 40 of the actual Scientific Studies done to date on Masks and CVirus basically say they are USELESS (41 with the recent Danish Study saying the same....) and that they actually cause infection -- there is NO Scientific Study proving they are effective and Fauci shot down, of course, a double blind random study for obvious reasons, he knows what the outcome would be...-- I am so tired of people endlessly either pushing or parroting outright lies....This entire Hoax engrafted on a CVirus is all about the NWO Great Reset Agenda to impoverish and imprison the Peons thru Medical Martial Law -- it has been planned out and "gamed" out for years by both the "Elite" -- Rockefeller Foundation and Gates Foundation and their many bought off lackeys at all levels -- multiple billions of dollars have been spent to implement this Agenda and most people are clueless which is depressing....

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mark G.
    @John Johnson


    The truth is probably in the middle.
     
    Probably so. A good middle position might have been saying there is mixed evidence on their effectiveness but they may help. You could wear masks in normal situations to be polite or where someone you are interacting with such as a business owner requires them. They could be made mandatory by the government in situations like visiting granny at the nursing home.

    That wasn't what happened, though. I watched one video where a woman without a mask was sitting on a bleacher not near anyone watching her kid play soccer and the police came along and arrested her, tasered her and then dragged her off to jail. A lot of people, including myself, find something like this appalling. Mask proponents hurt their cause by engaging in this kind of overkill. On the other side, I've seen mask opponents verbally abusing some low paid store clerk about having to wear a mask in a store. Individual business owners have a right to set the rules in their business and their employees have to follow what their employers want. You can switch your business to another store and let them know you are doing that but please don't give some female cashier working a job to feed her kids a hard time. Her life is hard enough as it is.
  22. Lmao this post is devoid of facts.

    For those under 30, covid-19 is 33 times deadlier than the flu.

    If you have to literally pull things out of your ass and make things up to make your point, isn’t that an admission that your point is devoid of credibility?

    Better to just admit it’s a nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah stand on principle, the defiance of a child. At least that’s honest.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Black woman

    True. I too have noticed a certain puerile aroma exuding from the present conversation.

    , @res
    @Black woman

    Some impressive projection there.


    For those under 30, covid-19 is 33 times deadlier than the flu.
     
    That seems not to be true for children (say 14 and under). In fact, flu seems to be worse than COVID-19 for them. See discussion in this comment and the replies.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-big-question/#comment-3906569

    Any evidence for your assertion?

    Replies: @anon

  23. @JR Ewing
    The primary purpose of universal masking is conformity and humiliation.

    Even if you think that's not the point, then at the very least it's disrespectful of the citizenry because it assumes that people aren't responsible to act appropriately, therefore there must be a universal mandate that takes away the proper judgment of individuals.

    The only circumstance in which a mask prevents (or at least marginally retards) the spread of the virus is when a symptomatic person is wearing one. The "mask blocks dangerous spittle" concept is somewhat correct.

    The airborne virus is too small to be stopped by a porous mask of any material. All of the jokes about "underwear doesn't stop your farts" and videos of people blowing smoke through the mask are funny, but they are funny because there is an element of truth to them. Those particles are upwards of thousands of times bigger than the virus particle and the mask doesn't stop them, why would we expect the mask to stop the much smaller virus?

    Similarly, there is NO SUCH THING as asymptomatic spread, at least as far as from people who haven't previously been sick. Symptoms are the sign of an infection and an infection is the only way the virus can reproduce and spread. If you don't have symptoms, you are not infected and you are not contagious. Yes, people who were previously sick can be contagious for a period of time after the symptoms disappear, but truly "asymptomatic" people who haven't recently been sick are not at risk of spreading the virus. We have known this about respiratory viruses for at least the past hundred years and there is nothing unique in this regard about this particular respiratory virus.

    Symptomatic people do spread it and the mask can catch their snot and spit and prevent it from being spread.

    The reason we have "asymptomatic infections" is because the testing regime is so screwed up and way too sensitive. A person with viral detritus in their nose is not infected and not contagious, but we do not differentiate between actual infections and dead virus particles in the dust in someone's nose. We simply say, "LOOK AT THESE CASES!" and panic more. There is no such thing as a person who is infected without symptoms, there are only people with scraps of viral RNA in their nose.

    So why universal masking and not just a recommendation that symptomatic people stay home and only go out in a mask?

    The good faith answer - though still objectively bad - is that government doesn't trust or respect the people to be responsible and isolate when symptomatic. Therefore, everyone is a suspected spreader and must a wear a mask.

    The bad faith answer - and just as likely - is that these politicians simply like bossing people around and humiliating them.

    As I wrote in a similar comment to one of Sailer's posts, we are all Havel's Greengrocer and the sign in the window is now the mask on our face.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Good comment, JR. Regarding:

    The only circumstance in which a mask prevents (or at least marginally retards) the spread of the virus is when a symptomatic person is wearing one. The “mask blocks dangerous spittle” concept is somewhat correct.

    Symptomatic people do spread it and the mask can catch their snot and spit and prevent it from being spread.

    Right. It’s been rude to sneeze right at people or get so excited (like HA) here that you end up spitting in their faces, especially when people can hear you cough up phlegm just before or after. It’s been rude to go around really sick, but nobody was demanding that everyone mask up to protect him before. I mean, that’s even during those bad flu seasons in the past, and with some strange new ones, usually from the Orient.

    Your bad faith answer is only partially correct. Governments at all levels could not get away with this if millions of Americans had not become hysterical about this Kung Flu based on the 24/7 Infotainment barrage. I don’t really put it all on the Lyin’ Press either. They are taking full advantage of this PanicFest, but then many of the people involved are hysterical themselves. Anyone who has ever dealt with “journalists” knows they they are not near the brightest bulbs in the fixture.

    Your last sentence rings true to me. Thanks, JR.

  24. @JohnPlywood
    Ill never understand anti-abortion activists.


    Do you really wish all those millions of babies that would have been born to crackwhores and methheads could be here to enrich us with their sharpened screwdrivers and their disability money?


    It's like Christians are a self-destructive enemy of civilization whose only objecticlve in life is to degrade the quality of everything.

    No wonder the global historical trend has been to shun and oppress Christians.


    Do you guys really think the entire world is wrong?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Cloudbuster, @Servant of Gla'aki

    Ill never understand anti-abortion activists.

    That’s because you’re an idiot.

    The issue is not one for utilitarian analysis. The principle is that it is wrong to deliberately destroy innocent human beings. If you cannot understand that, then you can remove yourself from civilization and go live with the beasts where you belong.

    If you really want to eliminate crack-whores and their babies, then work to eliminate state-sponsored welfare. That will do the job right quick.

    • Thanks: Dumbo
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The issue is not one for utilitarian analysis. The principle is that it is wrong to deliberately destroy innocent human beings. If you cannot understand that, then you can remove yourself from civilization and go live with the beasts where you belong.

    It is entirely up for utilitarian analysis.

    If you were given your share of the bill for lifelong damages from crack babies you would quickly stop calling people idiots.

    Civilization exists from crude utilitarian analysis. Someone before you made decisions that you probably don't have the guts for.

    If you really want to eliminate crack-whores and their babies, then work to eliminate state-sponsored welfare. That will do the job right quick.

    And yet Republicans no longer do this. They just prattle on about abortion and waste everyone's time by pulling state level legal tricks that just send mostly Black women to other states. They don't have the balls to go after welfare.

    This country is going to look like a Mad Max wasteland and people like you will still be talking about the immorality of abortion.

    , @JohnPlywood
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Hey dummy, are you forgetting that it's the developed world that has legal abortion?

    USA, Canada, European countries, China, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea - legal abortion countries


    You now have to pick a third world country to live in, with your fellow anti-abortion advocates. I recommend fhe African nation of Congo, where you will fit in nicely with specimens of your IQ level.


    As for your puerile dog shit about welfare, you're wrong again:


    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2095797?seq=1


    This article examines the incidence and determinants of fertility among women on welfare. The analysis reveals that welfare recipients have a relatively low fertility rate. This rate is below that of women in the general population and is not an artifact of a more favorable demographic structure. Furthermore, the longer a woman remains on welfare, the less likely she is to give birth. The underlying mechanisms behind these findings are explored in the discussion section.
     
    Reducing benefit access would in fact increase the birth rate among crackwhores.


    As I said, Christians are seemingly genetically predisposed to make the absolute worst decisions and to degrade the quality of everything. They are kryptonite to civilization. No wonder the entire world has oppressed them and no wonder they have been shut out of every level of governance in high-IQ societies.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @John Johnson

  25. @dfordoom

    One way to understand the current panicdemic is as a farewell middle finger from Boomers+ to younger generations.
     
    Another way to understand it is as an example of the crybaby younger generations doing what they do best - crying when they don't get what they want.

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it. They took to the streets, and risked being beaten up by the police.

    The only members of the crybaby younger generations getting off their asses and doing something is the antifa loons. They're stupid and crazy and evil but at least they're doing more than sitting in the corner sobbing about how unfair it all is and how mean the Boomers have been to them.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Getaclue, @Pop Warner, @anon, @fnn

    The Mainslime Media and “Elite” (many of which were actually covert Communists just as Sen. Joseph McCarthy charged they were — we now know this post the fall of the Soviet Union….) were actually totally in bed with the “radical” Lefty Boomers, they loved them some Abbie Hoffman, Rubin-Yippees and all the rest of those “cool” Lefty Commie dudes — you missed that?

    Drugged out “journalists” like Hunter S. Thompson lauded them and were lauded and enriched– “Fear And Loathing” Man as the “turned on” Lefties took on “the man” — the “cool” thing was to be down with the Boomer Lefty “protesters” who, unless they actually murdered someone (and even then maybe not Angela Davis, Bill Ayers et al), paid no real price for any destruction they wrought by bombs or otherwise….– it was/is not as you portray it at all —

    Tom Wolfe covered this somewhat in his writing as to Leftist “Elite” big shots meeting with the Black Panthers for parties and fawning over them etc. — Cronkite did more for the Viet Cong/Communists in destroying the USA and turning Viet Nam over to the Communists than anyone in country ever did and now the same “Elite”/Mainslime Media are totally on the side of the Boomers and NWO Leftists for lockdowns, Masks and other insanity to bring in The Great Reset NWO Socialist/Communist utopia —

    What happened then and what happened now shows the same Leftist creeps getting the same protection from the “Elite” and their Mainslime Media — those who are contrary to this Agenda will be targeted to be crushed and we are seeing that daily….your analysis is garbage historically

  26. @Intelligent Dasein
    @JohnPlywood


    Ill never understand anti-abortion activists.
     
    That's because you're an idiot.

    The issue is not one for utilitarian analysis. The principle is that it is wrong to deliberately destroy innocent human beings. If you cannot understand that, then you can remove yourself from civilization and go live with the beasts where you belong.

    If you really want to eliminate crack-whores and their babies, then work to eliminate state-sponsored welfare. That will do the job right quick.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @JohnPlywood

    The issue is not one for utilitarian analysis. The principle is that it is wrong to deliberately destroy innocent human beings. If you cannot understand that, then you can remove yourself from civilization and go live with the beasts where you belong.

    It is entirely up for utilitarian analysis.

    If you were given your share of the bill for lifelong damages from crack babies you would quickly stop calling people idiots.

    Civilization exists from crude utilitarian analysis. Someone before you made decisions that you probably don’t have the guts for.

    If you really want to eliminate crack-whores and their babies, then work to eliminate state-sponsored welfare. That will do the job right quick.

    And yet Republicans no longer do this. They just prattle on about abortion and waste everyone’s time by pulling state level legal tricks that just send mostly Black women to other states. They don’t have the balls to go after welfare.

    This country is going to look like a Mad Max wasteland and people like you will still be talking about the immorality of abortion.

  27. @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    If masks really worked to flatten the curve we wouldn’t have had the recent big case increases in the many states like California where studies have found mask compliance is at over a 95% level for months. If you point this out to mask proponents, they start shifting the goal posts and say people are not wearing the right masks, aren’t wearing masks properly or that compliance needs to be at 100%.

    The truth is probably in the middle.

    The pro-mask side certainly has too much faith in masks alone as a solution. As you said we already have areas with high compliance rates like California where they have ordered another lockdown. But I don't think that in turn is a valid argument for no masks.

    I was at the store last night and around 1/4 of the people either had taken them off once inside or were wearing them incorrectly.

    But even if everyone wore them correctly there would be still be the problem of Americans doing stuff like traveling during thanksgiving. Probably too many people like Newsom that just assume everyone else will follow the rules.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @Mark G.

    The recovery rate is over 99.7% from this dreaded “plague” — even based on the incredibly inflated “death” numbers of the CDC that has chunked everything from alcohol poisoned dead drunks to crash victims in as “Covid 19” — with Hospitals being bribed tens of thousands of dollars per case to do this at their level of “medicine”….–

    The “rules” are bs — there is no Scientific basis for “locking down” healthy people, the “social distancing” concept literally comes from a 15 year old girl’s 3rd Place finish in her High School Science Contest in 2006 which her father who worked at DHS then weaponized (i.e. there is NO actual Science behind it and it has NEVER been taught in infectious medicine in Textbooks or otherwise, ever….) —

    All 40 of the actual Scientific Studies done to date on Masks and CVirus basically say they are USELESS (41 with the recent Danish Study saying the same….) and that they actually cause infection — there is NO Scientific Study proving they are effective and Fauci shot down, of course, a double blind random study for obvious reasons, he knows what the outcome would be…– I am so tired of people endlessly either pushing or parroting outright lies….This entire Hoax engrafted on a CVirus is all about the NWO Great Reset Agenda to impoverish and imprison the Peons thru Medical Martial Law — it has been planned out and “gamed” out for years by both the “Elite” — Rockefeller Foundation and Gates Foundation and their many bought off lackeys at all levels — multiple billions of dollars have been spent to implement this Agenda and most people are clueless which is depressing….

    • Agree: Dumbo
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Getaclue

    The recovery rate is over 99.7% from this dreaded “plague”

    High recovery rate and yet able to overload a hospital to where they have to reschedule elective surgeries. This problem is happening right now and it's not some conspiracy.
    https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/12/as-oregon-state-hospital-halts-admissions-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-staff-shortage-poses-mounting-challenges.html

    So it's not simply a matter of feeling inconvenienced by the powers that be. If Trump would have taken this seriously from the start and paid attention to what happened in Italy he would have been re-elected. The attitude of "just a flu" is what cost him the election. Now I have to live with President Harris because the tribal right tried to downplay it all just as you are doing now.

    As for masks how was Taiwan able to keep their numbers so low? You really think masks had nothing to do with it? What is their secret then?

    Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle, @LadyTheo, @Cloudbuster, @PennTothal

  28. @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    If masks really worked to flatten the curve we wouldn’t have had the recent big case increases in the many states like California where studies have found mask compliance is at over a 95% level for months. If you point this out to mask proponents, they start shifting the goal posts and say people are not wearing the right masks, aren’t wearing masks properly or that compliance needs to be at 100%.

    The truth is probably in the middle.

    The pro-mask side certainly has too much faith in masks alone as a solution. As you said we already have areas with high compliance rates like California where they have ordered another lockdown. But I don't think that in turn is a valid argument for no masks.

    I was at the store last night and around 1/4 of the people either had taken them off once inside or were wearing them incorrectly.

    But even if everyone wore them correctly there would be still be the problem of Americans doing stuff like traveling during thanksgiving. Probably too many people like Newsom that just assume everyone else will follow the rules.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @Mark G.

    The truth is probably in the middle.

    Probably so. A good middle position might have been saying there is mixed evidence on their effectiveness but they may help. You could wear masks in normal situations to be polite or where someone you are interacting with such as a business owner requires them. They could be made mandatory by the government in situations like visiting granny at the nursing home.

    That wasn’t what happened, though. I watched one video where a woman without a mask was sitting on a bleacher not near anyone watching her kid play soccer and the police came along and arrested her, tasered her and then dragged her off to jail. A lot of people, including myself, find something like this appalling. Mask proponents hurt their cause by engaging in this kind of overkill. On the other side, I’ve seen mask opponents verbally abusing some low paid store clerk about having to wear a mask in a store. Individual business owners have a right to set the rules in their business and their employees have to follow what their employers want. You can switch your business to another store and let them know you are doing that but please don’t give some female cashier working a job to feed her kids a hard time. Her life is hard enough as it is.

  29. @JohnPlywood
    Ill never understand anti-abortion activists.


    Do you really wish all those millions of babies that would have been born to crackwhores and methheads could be here to enrich us with their sharpened screwdrivers and their disability money?


    It's like Christians are a self-destructive enemy of civilization whose only objecticlve in life is to degrade the quality of everything.

    No wonder the global historical trend has been to shun and oppress Christians.


    Do you guys really think the entire world is wrong?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Cloudbuster, @Servant of Gla'aki

    I doubt abortions lower the birthrate much. They are there, so people use them. With the knowledge that there is no easy abortion backstop, people avoid pregnancy earlier in the process.

    Besides, virtually all Western nations are reproducing below replacement rate. It is not as though we couldn’t use a few more babies. I suspect that low birthrate has more to do with feminism, birth control, economic competition against the White working class and the general materialism and nihilism of the affluent segment of the population.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Cloudbuster


    I suspect that low birthrate has more to do with feminism, birth control,
     
    But feminism and birth control are totally linked to abortion. Who are the biggest abortion defenders? Feminists. "My body, my choice", or whatever. A possible solution would be to forcibly impregnate these women with semen from a sperm bank (as few men would risk actual sex with them). Having 3 or 4 kids each would make them too busy to start any activism. The problem would be the resulting dysgenics. So better that they do not procreate too much.

    Abortion is bad and unnecessary. What is needed is a return to stable marriages and to a sane sexual morality. And of course, ending feminism, which is really just a tantrum for more, not less patriarchy - many of these feminists would be happier as slave wives to Muslim terrorists than they are now.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @John Johnson
    @Cloudbuster

    I doubt abortions lower the birthrate much. They are there, so people use them. With the knowledge that there is no easy abortion backstop, people avoid pregnancy earlier in the process.

    They actually do because teenage girls and single women have more sex than society wants to admit.

    Before abortion there were schools for pregnant teenagers.

    I suspect that low birthrate has more to do with feminism, birth control, economic competition against the White working class and the general materialism and nihilism of the affluent segment of the population.

    Everything you said is definitely a factor but I think it is mostly economics.

    In my line of work I sometimes rub elbows with college graduates working entry level positions. They act like they don't want kids because of the burden but most can barely make their rent payments. So it really isn't an option to them in the first place. One 21 year old even told me that he'll probably never own a home.

    They aren't out partying either. Most can't afford the bars.

    But in some ways they are also part of the problem. A lot of them just get high instead of trying to find a better career. They all want to work in an office when a lot of the good entry level jobs are in the trades. Most aren't as talented as they think. You have to be exceptional to really rise in the office ranks these days or have some type of owner/nepotism connection.

    This is partly why I hate the Republican party. They grumble about low birth rates but would tell these 20 year olds tough s-- cause that's capitalism. Can't do anything about family wage jobs. WE MUST have a ultra wealthy ruling class. No other way. F-ning Republicans. I hate Democrats too so don't bother getting mad at me about it.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

  30. @Intelligent Dasein

    The flu–even the common cold–is more dangerous to them than Covid is.
     
    You might want to tell that to your buddy, Steve Sailer. He's been as wrong about Covid as he is about everything else he languidly quips about. But criticizing Steverino is one thing that doesn't fly around here. I've never caught more flak for anything I've said online than I have for pulling the mask off the organized idiocy that is Sailer Nation. But on to more important things...

    It isn't just the 2020 election that was stolen. It isn't just the Biden regime that is illegitimate. The whole Leftist agenda, as incarnated by the modern Democratic Party, is theft and illegitimacy on a grand scale. Their program is an offence against reason and righteousness. It has been mentioned before, but not often enough, that unjust edicts lack the character of law and need not be followed. Mask mandates, abortion, affirmative action, and everything else the Left has pushed for decades are all unjust. Nobody has to listen to these things. It's time we just stopped doing so.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    You might want to tell that to your buddy, Steve Sailer. He’s been as wrong about Covid as he is about everything else he languidly quips about

    Anatoly Karlin was even more wrong about Covid, but whoever does call him on it, gets banned. At least Steve doesn’t mind the criticism.

    Steve loves statistics, so what he really does is to apply statistics to basically everything – race, movie reviews, golf, Covid “pandemic”, etc. But, not much of a deeper discussion of other issues.

    Covid is simply a lie. No one really knows how many people really died “from’ Covid (and not “with” Covid), neither they know if they really had Covid (as the test is not reliable), nor it is clear which are the complete symptoms or even the mode of transmission.

    All we hear about is an “increasing number of cases” that leads everyone into panic and authorities into dictatorial mode – and yet, the “increasing number of cases” never manage to increase much the excess death statistics.

    • Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle
    @Dumbo

    I dunno. Steve has just recently banned anonymous comments. I guess in preparation to ban registered commenters that he doesn't like as well.

    That's fine. I don't need to read any of his posts and add to his pocketbook through clicks.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  31. @Cloudbuster
    @JohnPlywood

    I doubt abortions lower the birthrate much. They are there, so people use them. With the knowledge that there is no easy abortion backstop, people avoid pregnancy earlier in the process.

    Besides, virtually all Western nations are reproducing below replacement rate. It is not as though we couldn't use a few more babies. I suspect that low birthrate has more to do with feminism, birth control, economic competition against the White working class and the general materialism and nihilism of the affluent segment of the population.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @John Johnson

    I suspect that low birthrate has more to do with feminism, birth control,

    But feminism and birth control are totally linked to abortion. Who are the biggest abortion defenders? Feminists. “My body, my choice”, or whatever. A possible solution would be to forcibly impregnate these women with semen from a sperm bank (as few men would risk actual sex with them). Having 3 or 4 kids each would make them too busy to start any activism. The problem would be the resulting dysgenics. So better that they do not procreate too much.

    Abortion is bad and unnecessary. What is needed is a return to stable marriages and to a sane sexual morality. And of course, ending feminism, which is really just a tantrum for more, not less patriarchy – many of these feminists would be happier as slave wives to Muslim terrorists than they are now.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dumbo


    But feminism and birth control are totally linked to abortion. Who are the biggest abortion defenders? Feminists. “My body, my choice”, or whatever.
     
    They aren't the main people using it, that's women who are too dumb to have any real political ideology. Feminists complain about it for the same reason they complain about the Amazon rainforest: virtue-signalling, not because they expect it to personally impact them. A large proportion aren't having sex at all, and the ones who are are smart enough to use contraception.

    Replies: @Dumbo

  32. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    On a medical blog I that I read, one doc described how, whenever he feels a cold coming on, he pours some scotch into a glass and sniffs the fumes. This called to mind snippets I had read to the effect that, during the 1918 pandemic, those who drank scotch survived. My hypothesis is that it was not that they were DRINKING the scotch, but rather, they were SNIFFING it. I am remembering how Trump once mused, gee, if only there were some way we could bring a disinfectant into direct contact with the virus. Of course I can’t prove it, but I think sniffing whiskey fumes from a brandy snifter is more effective than mask wearing.

  33. Here is a very good and probably definitive debunking of the dangerousness of Covid-19.

    Essential Facts About Covid-19

  34. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Mask mandates force children to suffer for the benefit of the old and infirm.
     
    One way to understand the current panicdemic is as a farewell middle finger from Boomers+ to younger generations. In prior and deadlier epidemics there was no such thing as a "lockdown", there was merely the aggregate of private actions to reduce harm in whatever way anyone thought most efficacious to their particular circumstances. This year, faced with a heavier-than-usual flu season, which mainly affects the older generation, we have a historically unprecedented global totalitarian response, the burden of which is disproportionately borne by the young so that some meager benefit may be reaped by the old.

    This dynamic is perhaps most starkly on display at colleges, where the generation that ecstatically rioted to take over the universities in the 1960s, now that they are in control of those same institutions, has peremptorily shutdown every remaining pleasant, human, and free aspect of tertiary education so they can maximize their own convenience ("teach" from home in pajama bottoms) while diminishing their young students to nothing more than captive video heads. The young are the most restricted while their risk was effectively zero. Their elderly teachers are the most free while they gain modest risk reductions from everyone else's sacrifice. If the restrictions on student-to-student social contact seem oddly overdone for their stated purpose, that's because they are. The Boomers know perfectly well what they would have done as students in these circumstances, and they want to be absolutely sure that it is not done to them, now that they are the ones in control.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous, @obwandiyag

    College student here, and you’re way off. None of us are mad we can’t go to class. There was some trepidation that we wouldn’t be able to have parties, but it soon became clear that there was not the political capital to enforce whatever prohibitions we have. My mom called me up and asked if there’s gonna be a stay-at-home order, and I’m like, hell if I know. I don’t even pay attention any more. For many of us, it’s dream come true, the college experience, the parties, with all that pesky learning able to be minimized while we surf the net. Only consistent complaint is that the football and basketball games aren’t happening.

    IMHO the most upset about the lockdowns are snowflake small business owners on the gen-X/boomer boundary who seem to think they are the master race and that everyone should just die so that their sales don’t go down. I would agree that we’re probably doing too much to prevent COVID, but I think the main thing here is voluntary decisions, not the government. Sweden had easy-go lockdown and the same economic decline as its neighbors with more COVID deaths.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Anonymous

    IMO, what Almost Missouri and you said aren't mutually exclusive. I'm an early millennial 5 years out of graduate school. My elder colleagues are the boomer tyrants, and I know what they say behind closed doors. I'm out of American college proper, but I consult as the Chinese university liaison to the Texan university we're partnered with. The contempt for you kids is real and plain as day as soon as the Zoom rooms are logged into.

    The Boomer drive to tyrannize those younger than them shouldn't be underestimated -- as they are deeply jealous of anyone who showcases the vitality so quickly dripping off their lizard-like skin.

    As you said, however, it is the generation of mass premature ejaculation. They are dogshit at actually enforcing rules -- and unlike savvy silent gen politicos, they think they are actually capable of enforcing the dictats.

    Agree with you on the early Xers. My mother is an early Xer (1966) and a small business owner. She has participated in every fake and gay anti-mask demonstration there is and has written letters to Trump begging for him to executive order PPP to keep her enterprise afloat. Pure pathetic narcissism. I've cut her off from my children as a result. They will never meet their grandmother.

    Best of luck in the meat grinder. I suspect you have already figured out how to game it, though.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @anon, @LadyTheo

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    Colleges differ.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/sentenced-isolation-prisons-college-students-across-america-are-being-subjected-horrid

    Enjoy your education!

    , @Dumbo
    @Anonymous


    For many of us, it’s dream come true, the college experience, the parties, with all that pesky learning able to be minimized while we surf the net.
     
    LOL. Enjoy your debt, idiots. College education in the U.S. is a joke / scam for 90% of the students and can't be eliminated soon enough.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  35. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo
    @Cloudbuster


    I suspect that low birthrate has more to do with feminism, birth control,
     
    But feminism and birth control are totally linked to abortion. Who are the biggest abortion defenders? Feminists. "My body, my choice", or whatever. A possible solution would be to forcibly impregnate these women with semen from a sperm bank (as few men would risk actual sex with them). Having 3 or 4 kids each would make them too busy to start any activism. The problem would be the resulting dysgenics. So better that they do not procreate too much.

    Abortion is bad and unnecessary. What is needed is a return to stable marriages and to a sane sexual morality. And of course, ending feminism, which is really just a tantrum for more, not less patriarchy - many of these feminists would be happier as slave wives to Muslim terrorists than they are now.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    But feminism and birth control are totally linked to abortion. Who are the biggest abortion defenders? Feminists. “My body, my choice”, or whatever.

    They aren’t the main people using it, that’s women who are too dumb to have any real political ideology. Feminists complain about it for the same reason they complain about the Amazon rainforest: virtue-signalling, not because they expect it to personally impact them. A large proportion aren’t having sex at all, and the ones who are are smart enough to use contraception.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Anonymous


    They aren’t the main people using it, that’s women who are too dumb to have any real political ideology
     
    Maybe, but it works. The Left is like the Eveready rabbit, it keeps going and going and going. Five years ago a law to institute legal abortion had been defeated in Argentina. Now it appears to have been approved.

    Feminists may not abort too much, but they are instrumental in making abortion legal in all modern countries, and they will get it. Honestly I don't understand this big push for abortion, what purpose does it serve? If it's just birth control, today there are much easier and safe ways to do it. Most women are not so dumb that they don't know how babies are made. Whores and porn stars rarely abort today.

    And if people wanted to do eugenics, which is obviously not in vogue anywhere today, abortion would not be the best method for that anyway. So for me the push for abortion is really a push for "death" against "life" - the same reason why euthanasia is being pushed, when it's also unnecessary.
  36. o/t

    They literally never allow us anything

  37. @Dumbo
    @Intelligent Dasein


    You might want to tell that to your buddy, Steve Sailer. He’s been as wrong about Covid as he is about everything else he languidly quips about
     
    Anatoly Karlin was even more wrong about Covid, but whoever does call him on it, gets banned. At least Steve doesn't mind the criticism.

    Steve loves statistics, so what he really does is to apply statistics to basically everything - race, movie reviews, golf, Covid "pandemic", etc. But, not much of a deeper discussion of other issues.

    Covid is simply a lie. No one really knows how many people really died "from' Covid (and not "with" Covid), neither they know if they really had Covid (as the test is not reliable), nor it is clear which are the complete symptoms or even the mode of transmission.

    All we hear about is an "increasing number of cases" that leads everyone into panic and authorities into dictatorial mode - and yet, the "increasing number of cases" never manage to increase much the excess death statistics.

    Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    I dunno. Steve has just recently banned anonymous comments. I guess in preparation to ban registered commenters that he doesn’t like as well.

    That’s fine. I don’t need to read any of his posts and add to his pocketbook through clicks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    Writers only get paid in clicks if they have ads on their site, and then only if you actually click on the ads.

    The underlying issue here is that there are a lot of commenters who aren't willing to go full-on anti-intellectualism in the mold of Alex Jones. So they want to go on Sailer or Karlin's site and think of themselves as people who can do math, but don't fit in well with the people who are actually intelligent. How many times do we need to hear "the "increasing number of cases” never manage to increase much the excess death statistics," when in fact the number of excess deaths exceeds recorded COVID deaths, before we respond by telling the commenter to go home to InfoWars?

    Replies: @Dumbo

  38. @JohnPlywood
    Ill never understand anti-abortion activists.


    Do you really wish all those millions of babies that would have been born to crackwhores and methheads could be here to enrich us with their sharpened screwdrivers and their disability money?


    It's like Christians are a self-destructive enemy of civilization whose only objecticlve in life is to degrade the quality of everything.

    No wonder the global historical trend has been to shun and oppress Christians.


    Do you guys really think the entire world is wrong?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Cloudbuster, @Servant of Gla'aki

    Do you guys really think the entire world is wrong?

    YES

  39. @Getaclue
    @John Johnson

    The recovery rate is over 99.7% from this dreaded "plague" -- even based on the incredibly inflated "death" numbers of the CDC that has chunked everything from alcohol poisoned dead drunks to crash victims in as "Covid 19" -- with Hospitals being bribed tens of thousands of dollars per case to do this at their level of "medicine"....--

    The "rules" are bs -- there is no Scientific basis for "locking down" healthy people, the "social distancing" concept literally comes from a 15 year old girl's 3rd Place finish in her High School Science Contest in 2006 which her father who worked at DHS then weaponized (i.e. there is NO actual Science behind it and it has NEVER been taught in infectious medicine in Textbooks or otherwise, ever....) --

    All 40 of the actual Scientific Studies done to date on Masks and CVirus basically say they are USELESS (41 with the recent Danish Study saying the same....) and that they actually cause infection -- there is NO Scientific Study proving they are effective and Fauci shot down, of course, a double blind random study for obvious reasons, he knows what the outcome would be...-- I am so tired of people endlessly either pushing or parroting outright lies....This entire Hoax engrafted on a CVirus is all about the NWO Great Reset Agenda to impoverish and imprison the Peons thru Medical Martial Law -- it has been planned out and "gamed" out for years by both the "Elite" -- Rockefeller Foundation and Gates Foundation and their many bought off lackeys at all levels -- multiple billions of dollars have been spent to implement this Agenda and most people are clueless which is depressing....

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The recovery rate is over 99.7% from this dreaded “plague”

    High recovery rate and yet able to overload a hospital to where they have to reschedule elective surgeries. This problem is happening right now and it’s not some conspiracy.
    https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/12/as-oregon-state-hospital-halts-admissions-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-staff-shortage-poses-mounting-challenges.html

    So it’s not simply a matter of feeling inconvenienced by the powers that be. If Trump would have taken this seriously from the start and paid attention to what happened in Italy he would have been re-elected. The attitude of “just a flu” is what cost him the election. Now I have to live with President Harris because the tribal right tried to downplay it all just as you are doing now.

    As for masks how was Taiwan able to keep their numbers so low? You really think masks had nothing to do with it? What is their secret then?

    • Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle
    @John Johnson

    I guess you missed the answer to one of your questions right in the title of the link.

    It's called staffing shortages.

    How soon some of us conveniently forget that during the first lockdown earlier in the year hospitals were forced to lay off personnel as patients were too afraid leave home or were denied, especially in the case of NY and OR, the ability to go to hospitals for elective surgery.

    Same thing happened to a female I know. Her elective surgery was cancelled by her doctor due to the lockdowns earlier this year.

    I can only assume that if, and that's a big if, Biden gets sworn in on Jan. 20th everything will suddenly be alright in the world but the Trump Derangement Syndrome pandemic will continue on for decades to come.

    , @LadyTheo
    @John Johnson

    Taiwan had gone through Hell with the first SARS CoVid virus. The thinking is that they have very high cross immunity to this new corona virus because of that. Nothing to do with masks.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    , @Cloudbuster
    @John Johnson

    My daughter's hospital canceled all "elective" procedures in anticipation of a deluge of COVID patients that never arrived, and stood mostly empty through the spring COVID surge. Healthcare workers were furlowed. My daughter used vacation time so she didn't spend weeks without pay.

    This was true all over the country. The elective procedures weren't canceled because hospitals were overwhelmed, they were canceled because of over-reactions by panicky, fear-mongering administrators.

    The hospital forced my daughter and surgeons to stand by and do nothing while people with serious health issues were turned away -- "elective" covers an awful lot of important surgery.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @PennTothal
    @John Johnson

    Taiwan and New Zealand are small island nations with complete control of their airport and seaports. There is no (literally NONE) undocumented immigration into either of these countries.
    Every person attempting to come into Taiwan must abide by strict testing and quarantine rules. There is no "leakage" in the system- everyone complies. This is the ONLY way to achieve population sterility from a respiratory virus like COVID.

    When this pandemic is over, Taiwan and New Zealand will be the statistical outliers with regards to supressing the virus.

    Every other regional approach - (from the "hardline" lockdowns promoted by France or NYC in the early Summer, to the laissez-faire approach promoted in Sweden or Flordia) has resulted in more-or-less the exact same result with regards to spread of the virus.

    Masks are a minor part, compared to total border control, of the outlier success of Taiwan and New Zealand.

    Masks help, but they help mainly to lower the innoculum of the virus as it spreads. In a masked population you are more likely to get a "low-dose" COVID infection, rather than a "high-dose" COVID infection.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  40. @Almost Missouri

    Mask mandates force children to suffer for the benefit of the old and infirm.
     
    One way to understand the current panicdemic is as a farewell middle finger from Boomers+ to younger generations. In prior and deadlier epidemics there was no such thing as a "lockdown", there was merely the aggregate of private actions to reduce harm in whatever way anyone thought most efficacious to their particular circumstances. This year, faced with a heavier-than-usual flu season, which mainly affects the older generation, we have a historically unprecedented global totalitarian response, the burden of which is disproportionately borne by the young so that some meager benefit may be reaped by the old.

    This dynamic is perhaps most starkly on display at colleges, where the generation that ecstatically rioted to take over the universities in the 1960s, now that they are in control of those same institutions, has peremptorily shutdown every remaining pleasant, human, and free aspect of tertiary education so they can maximize their own convenience ("teach" from home in pajama bottoms) while diminishing their young students to nothing more than captive video heads. The young are the most restricted while their risk was effectively zero. Their elderly teachers are the most free while they gain modest risk reductions from everyone else's sacrifice. If the restrictions on student-to-student social contact seem oddly overdone for their stated purpose, that's because they are. The Boomers know perfectly well what they would have done as students in these circumstances, and they want to be absolutely sure that it is not done to them, now that they are the ones in control.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous, @obwandiyag

    Generation-baiting is just like race-baiting. Pro- or -anti, it’s all the same thing. And you’re wrong ab0ut everything, you understand nothing, you have no experience, no knowledge, no education, and you are cut off from history because you think it boring.

    Old people tremble for the fate of the nation because of how stupid young people like you are.

  41. @John Johnson
    @dfordoom

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it.

    Oh like doing acid and buying into left-wing propaganda? How productive.

    Boomers are the biggest suckers in the world. Just look at how many buy into that Con In crap.

    A certain talk show host has a million boomers thinking that "minimal government" will fix all our problems including racial conflicts. You see Blacks just need a pep talk about capitalism. Health care just need more tax breaks. Tax breaks where? SHUT UP SOCIALIST.

    So friggin stupid.

    Boomers are a generation of race deniers. Every single one of their leaders puts feelies over reality when it comes to race. To this day I still haven't met a single boomer in real life that could think critically about race. They all get emotional when you bring up the subject and will go on semi-coherent rants about how it is either racist Whites or socialists that cause all racial problems. Did they take too much acid?

    But my favorite is when boomer conservatives talk about "the Black at work/vietnam" as if that somehow negates complex conflicts cause by thousands of years of racial separation. Well I have this pal at work and he's Black and he is a really good welder. Then they start talking about MLK (not Cosby anymore).

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    My goodness are you confused. What an intractable pile of infantile gobbledegook. Reads like a retard mumbling.

    Oh, wait. I get it. Your a generation-baiting troll. That’s a very useful type troll to the fuckers in charge.

    And I just got you a quarter by responding. Enjoy your quarter. I guess you’ll be seeing me in Mexico, rich guy.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @obwandiyag

    What an intractable pile of infantile gobbledegook.

    Oh boo hoo did I hurt your boomer feelings?

    Ok I'll simplify it for you.

    Left-wing boomers have rallied around a race denying ideology instead of facing reality.

    Right-wing boomers have rallied around a race denying ideology instead of facing reality.

    Everyone down the line gets handed a giant s--t sandwich of debt and destruction because boomers on both sides of the isle can't accept nature might not exist for their ideologies.

    But if I'm wrong do tell where the "war on poverty" (pity based welfare) or "minimal government" (look the other way) was able to fix Black areas. Those ideas have been tried SINCE THE 60s and we still have boomers on both sides clamoring for the same failed theories.

    I guess you’ll be seeing me in Mexico

    I just might. I'm not a White nationalist. I'm just for sound policy regarding race which is outside the capabilities of every single boomer I have met.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom, @Reg Cæsar

  42. @Black woman
    Lmao this post is devoid of facts.

    For those under 30, covid-19 is 33 times deadlier than the flu.

    If you have to literally pull things out of your ass and make things up to make your point, isn't that an admission that your point is devoid of credibility?

    Better to just admit it's a nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah stand on principle, the defiance of a child. At least that's honest.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @res

    True. I too have noticed a certain puerile aroma exuding from the present conversation.

  43. @Cloudbuster
    @JohnPlywood

    I doubt abortions lower the birthrate much. They are there, so people use them. With the knowledge that there is no easy abortion backstop, people avoid pregnancy earlier in the process.

    Besides, virtually all Western nations are reproducing below replacement rate. It is not as though we couldn't use a few more babies. I suspect that low birthrate has more to do with feminism, birth control, economic competition against the White working class and the general materialism and nihilism of the affluent segment of the population.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @John Johnson

    I doubt abortions lower the birthrate much. They are there, so people use them. With the knowledge that there is no easy abortion backstop, people avoid pregnancy earlier in the process.

    They actually do because teenage girls and single women have more sex than society wants to admit.

    Before abortion there were schools for pregnant teenagers.

    I suspect that low birthrate has more to do with feminism, birth control, economic competition against the White working class and the general materialism and nihilism of the affluent segment of the population.

    Everything you said is definitely a factor but I think it is mostly economics.

    In my line of work I sometimes rub elbows with college graduates working entry level positions. They act like they don’t want kids because of the burden but most can barely make their rent payments. So it really isn’t an option to them in the first place. One 21 year old even told me that he’ll probably never own a home.

    They aren’t out partying either. Most can’t afford the bars.

    But in some ways they are also part of the problem. A lot of them just get high instead of trying to find a better career. They all want to work in an office when a lot of the good entry level jobs are in the trades. Most aren’t as talented as they think. You have to be exceptional to really rise in the office ranks these days or have some type of owner/nepotism connection.

    This is partly why I hate the Republican party. They grumble about low birth rates but would tell these 20 year olds tough s– cause that’s capitalism. Can’t do anything about family wage jobs. WE MUST have a ultra wealthy ruling class. No other way. F-ning Republicans. I hate Democrats too so don’t bother getting mad at me about it.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @John Johnson

    No, I don't think so, regarding abortion. We didn't see any massive reduction of birthrates in the decade following Roe v. Wade. In fact the years from 1959 up through '73 showed a sizable decline coinciding with birth control and the end of the Baby Boom. The decline slowed markedly the year of Roe and thereafter, ironically.

    In fact, birthrates ticked up for a while from 1979-1988.

    The facts simply don't support the hypothesis of abortion lowering birthrates, at least in the US.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  44. @obwandiyag
    @John Johnson

    My goodness are you confused. What an intractable pile of infantile gobbledegook. Reads like a retard mumbling.

    Oh, wait. I get it. Your a generation-baiting troll. That's a very useful type troll to the fuckers in charge.

    And I just got you a quarter by responding. Enjoy your quarter. I guess you'll be seeing me in Mexico, rich guy.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    What an intractable pile of infantile gobbledegook.

    Oh boo hoo did I hurt your boomer feelings?

    Ok I’ll simplify it for you.

    Left-wing boomers have rallied around a race denying ideology instead of facing reality.

    Right-wing boomers have rallied around a race denying ideology instead of facing reality.

    Everyone down the line gets handed a giant s–t sandwich of debt and destruction because boomers on both sides of the isle can’t accept nature might not exist for their ideologies.

    But if I’m wrong do tell where the “war on poverty” (pity based welfare) or “minimal government” (look the other way) was able to fix Black areas. Those ideas have been tried SINCE THE 60s and we still have boomers on both sides clamoring for the same failed theories.

    I guess you’ll be seeing me in Mexico

    I just might. I’m not a White nationalist. I’m just for sound policy regarding race which is outside the capabilities of every single boomer I have met.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @John Johnson

    boomers on both sides of the isle can’t accept nature might not exist for their ideologies

    Say what?

    The Boomer Bulge wuz the kangz, dude.

    Hit ain't right to just kick us to the curb after indulging us for the last 50 years. We need some time to adjust to the new reality you know.

    Maybe just 20 more years?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @dfordoom
    @John Johnson


    I’m just for sound policy regarding race
     
    So explain exactly how your sound policy regarding race is going to improve things.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    But if I’m wrong do tell where the “war on poverty” (pity based welfare) or “minimal government” (look the other way) was able to fix Black areas. Those ideas have been tried SINCE THE 60s...
     
    Actually, the 1600s. When have blacks ever covered their costs?

    Replies: @Clyde

  45. @John Johnson
    @Getaclue

    The recovery rate is over 99.7% from this dreaded “plague”

    High recovery rate and yet able to overload a hospital to where they have to reschedule elective surgeries. This problem is happening right now and it's not some conspiracy.
    https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/12/as-oregon-state-hospital-halts-admissions-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-staff-shortage-poses-mounting-challenges.html

    So it's not simply a matter of feeling inconvenienced by the powers that be. If Trump would have taken this seriously from the start and paid attention to what happened in Italy he would have been re-elected. The attitude of "just a flu" is what cost him the election. Now I have to live with President Harris because the tribal right tried to downplay it all just as you are doing now.

    As for masks how was Taiwan able to keep their numbers so low? You really think masks had nothing to do with it? What is their secret then?

    Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle, @LadyTheo, @Cloudbuster, @PennTothal

    I guess you missed the answer to one of your questions right in the title of the link.

    It’s called staffing shortages.

    How soon some of us conveniently forget that during the first lockdown earlier in the year hospitals were forced to lay off personnel as patients were too afraid leave home or were denied, especially in the case of NY and OR, the ability to go to hospitals for elective surgery.

    Same thing happened to a female I know. Her elective surgery was cancelled by her doctor due to the lockdowns earlier this year.

    I can only assume that if, and that’s a big if, Biden gets sworn in on Jan. 20th everything will suddenly be alright in the world but the Trump Derangement Syndrome pandemic will continue on for decades to come.

  46. @John Johnson
    @obwandiyag

    What an intractable pile of infantile gobbledegook.

    Oh boo hoo did I hurt your boomer feelings?

    Ok I'll simplify it for you.

    Left-wing boomers have rallied around a race denying ideology instead of facing reality.

    Right-wing boomers have rallied around a race denying ideology instead of facing reality.

    Everyone down the line gets handed a giant s--t sandwich of debt and destruction because boomers on both sides of the isle can't accept nature might not exist for their ideologies.

    But if I'm wrong do tell where the "war on poverty" (pity based welfare) or "minimal government" (look the other way) was able to fix Black areas. Those ideas have been tried SINCE THE 60s and we still have boomers on both sides clamoring for the same failed theories.

    I guess you’ll be seeing me in Mexico

    I just might. I'm not a White nationalist. I'm just for sound policy regarding race which is outside the capabilities of every single boomer I have met.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom, @Reg Cæsar

    boomers on both sides of the isle can’t accept nature might not exist for their ideologies

    Say what?

    The Boomer Bulge wuz the kangz, dude.

    Hit ain’t right to just kick us to the curb after indulging us for the last 50 years. We need some time to adjust to the new reality you know.

    Maybe just 20 more years?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @iffen

    Lol ok how about a compensation package?

    Dear boomer,

    It turns out that race is in fact real and cannot be wished away with feelings-based government programs or libertarian economics. This also means that your liberal or conservative ideology is in fact deeply flawed to where it should abandoned.

    Enclosed is a pound of marijuana and mushrooms to help you deal with this unfortunate reality.

    Sincerely,

    People that read

    Replies: @iffen

  47. My face my choice.

    Well, not anymore. The only time anyone has a choice is when it’s to sacrifice a fetus to the blood soaked abortion gods called Planned Parenthood.

    Now, your only choice is to fall in line and accept the election steal or you’re thwarting that other great god Democracy.

  48. @iffen
    @John Johnson

    boomers on both sides of the isle can’t accept nature might not exist for their ideologies

    Say what?

    The Boomer Bulge wuz the kangz, dude.

    Hit ain't right to just kick us to the curb after indulging us for the last 50 years. We need some time to adjust to the new reality you know.

    Maybe just 20 more years?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Lol ok how about a compensation package?

    Dear boomer,

    It turns out that race is in fact real and cannot be wished away with feelings-based government programs or libertarian economics. This also means that your liberal or conservative ideology is in fact deeply flawed to where it should abandoned.

    Enclosed is a pound of marijuana and mushrooms to help you deal with this unfortunate reality.

    Sincerely,

    People that read

    • Replies: @iffen
    @John Johnson

    Thanks

    I will pass on the mari-J-wona, it's illegal here. Can I wrap those shrooms in bacon and bake 'em?

  49. @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    College student here, and you're way off. None of us are mad we can't go to class. There was some trepidation that we wouldn't be able to have parties, but it soon became clear that there was not the political capital to enforce whatever prohibitions we have. My mom called me up and asked if there's gonna be a stay-at-home order, and I'm like, hell if I know. I don't even pay attention any more. For many of us, it's dream come true, the college experience, the parties, with all that pesky learning able to be minimized while we surf the net. Only consistent complaint is that the football and basketball games aren't happening.

    IMHO the most upset about the lockdowns are snowflake small business owners on the gen-X/boomer boundary who seem to think they are the master race and that everyone should just die so that their sales don't go down. I would agree that we're probably doing too much to prevent COVID, but I think the main thing here is voluntary decisions, not the government. Sweden had easy-go lockdown and the same economic decline as its neighbors with more COVID deaths.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Almost Missouri, @Dumbo

    IMO, what Almost Missouri and you said aren’t mutually exclusive. I’m an early millennial 5 years out of graduate school. My elder colleagues are the boomer tyrants, and I know what they say behind closed doors. I’m out of American college proper, but I consult as the Chinese university liaison to the Texan university we’re partnered with. The contempt for you kids is real and plain as day as soon as the Zoom rooms are logged into.

    The Boomer drive to tyrannize those younger than them shouldn’t be underestimated — as they are deeply jealous of anyone who showcases the vitality so quickly dripping off their lizard-like skin.

    As you said, however, it is the generation of mass premature ejaculation. They are dogshit at actually enforcing rules — and unlike savvy silent gen politicos, they think they are actually capable of enforcing the dictats.

    Agree with you on the early Xers. My mother is an early Xer (1966) and a small business owner. She has participated in every fake and gay anti-mask demonstration there is and has written letters to Trump begging for him to executive order PPP to keep her enterprise afloat. Pure pathetic narcissism. I’ve cut her off from my children as a result. They will never meet their grandmother.

    Best of luck in the meat grinder. I suspect you have already figured out how to game it, though.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Supply and Demand

    Thanks for the inside university baseball.

    On a separate note, obviously I don't know your mother, but trying not to let the life-investment of one's business get wiped out by government whim doesn't sound like "narcissism". It sounds like common sense.

    Presumably there is some other bad blood between you as otherwise cutting her off from her grandchildren over this seems like a wee bit of an overreaction. Nevertheless, even assuming bad blood, consider that you only get one mother and your kids only get two grandmothers, so permanently depriving them of each other inflicts a handicap on everyone. I know condemnation is more fun than working with the imperfect material that everyone actually is, but we never know what the future will bring and it may be possible that your kids being born into the family and extended family they were born into has a significance and purpose not yet evident.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    , @anon
    @Supply and Demand

    I’m an early millennial 5 years out of graduate school.

    Lol, and your daughter in Chicago voted for Biden, too!

    Fake expat troll!

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    , @LadyTheo
    @Supply and Demand

    Wow. What a whinging little brat you are. One can only hope that your own precious offspring repay the favor and cut you off when they flee your poisonous nest.

    Chinese university liaison...hmmm. A lot of you types are being arrested now, it seems.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  50. @John Johnson
    @iffen

    Lol ok how about a compensation package?

    Dear boomer,

    It turns out that race is in fact real and cannot be wished away with feelings-based government programs or libertarian economics. This also means that your liberal or conservative ideology is in fact deeply flawed to where it should abandoned.

    Enclosed is a pound of marijuana and mushrooms to help you deal with this unfortunate reality.

    Sincerely,

    People that read

    Replies: @iffen

    Thanks

    I will pass on the mari-J-wona, it’s illegal here. Can I wrap those shrooms in bacon and bake ’em?

  51. @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    College student here, and you're way off. None of us are mad we can't go to class. There was some trepidation that we wouldn't be able to have parties, but it soon became clear that there was not the political capital to enforce whatever prohibitions we have. My mom called me up and asked if there's gonna be a stay-at-home order, and I'm like, hell if I know. I don't even pay attention any more. For many of us, it's dream come true, the college experience, the parties, with all that pesky learning able to be minimized while we surf the net. Only consistent complaint is that the football and basketball games aren't happening.

    IMHO the most upset about the lockdowns are snowflake small business owners on the gen-X/boomer boundary who seem to think they are the master race and that everyone should just die so that their sales don't go down. I would agree that we're probably doing too much to prevent COVID, but I think the main thing here is voluntary decisions, not the government. Sweden had easy-go lockdown and the same economic decline as its neighbors with more COVID deaths.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Almost Missouri, @Dumbo

  52. @Supply and Demand
    @Anonymous

    IMO, what Almost Missouri and you said aren't mutually exclusive. I'm an early millennial 5 years out of graduate school. My elder colleagues are the boomer tyrants, and I know what they say behind closed doors. I'm out of American college proper, but I consult as the Chinese university liaison to the Texan university we're partnered with. The contempt for you kids is real and plain as day as soon as the Zoom rooms are logged into.

    The Boomer drive to tyrannize those younger than them shouldn't be underestimated -- as they are deeply jealous of anyone who showcases the vitality so quickly dripping off their lizard-like skin.

    As you said, however, it is the generation of mass premature ejaculation. They are dogshit at actually enforcing rules -- and unlike savvy silent gen politicos, they think they are actually capable of enforcing the dictats.

    Agree with you on the early Xers. My mother is an early Xer (1966) and a small business owner. She has participated in every fake and gay anti-mask demonstration there is and has written letters to Trump begging for him to executive order PPP to keep her enterprise afloat. Pure pathetic narcissism. I've cut her off from my children as a result. They will never meet their grandmother.

    Best of luck in the meat grinder. I suspect you have already figured out how to game it, though.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @anon, @LadyTheo

    Thanks for the inside university baseball.

    On a separate note, obviously I don’t know your mother, but trying not to let the life-investment of one’s business get wiped out by government whim doesn’t sound like “narcissism”. It sounds like common sense.

    Presumably there is some other bad blood between you as otherwise cutting her off from her grandchildren over this seems like a wee bit of an overreaction. Nevertheless, even assuming bad blood, consider that you only get one mother and your kids only get two grandmothers, so permanently depriving them of each other inflicts a handicap on everyone. I know condemnation is more fun than working with the imperfect material that everyone actually is, but we never know what the future will bring and it may be possible that your kids being born into the family and extended family they were born into has a significance and purpose not yet evident.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Almost Missouri

    I gave her repeated advice throughout the pandemic to cut bait on the endeavor. She had a relatively successful career for 30 years as renal physician before she took a whiff of her "girlfriends'" advice to become a pastry slinger.

    I don't blame her for deciding to spend her "golden years" running a bakery, but there was a threshold in which she could've backed down and should. I advised her as such. However, she is mentally a Typical "Q" boomer who believed that she just needed to keep plan trusting Trump in lieu of her own family. She had enough a retirement nest that she pissed away, and if she died tomorrow she would leave that business and its debts to an uninterested son and an unequally interested stepdaughter. It was pure narcissism and I should've pushed back more when she first expressed a desire to do it in 2019.

    She is representative of the society I chose to leave and don't want her hedonism and narcissism influencing my daughters.

    That said, thanks for your concern. I would have left a "thanks" reply if I wasn't out of those for the day.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  53. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle
    @Dumbo

    I dunno. Steve has just recently banned anonymous comments. I guess in preparation to ban registered commenters that he doesn't like as well.

    That's fine. I don't need to read any of his posts and add to his pocketbook through clicks.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Writers only get paid in clicks if they have ads on their site, and then only if you actually click on the ads.

    The underlying issue here is that there are a lot of commenters who aren’t willing to go full-on anti-intellectualism in the mold of Alex Jones. So they want to go on Sailer or Karlin’s site and think of themselves as people who can do math, but don’t fit in well with the people who are actually intelligent. How many times do we need to hear “the “increasing number of cases” never manage to increase much the excess death statistics,” when in fact the number of excess deaths exceeds recorded COVID deaths, before we respond by telling the commenter to go home to InfoWars?

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Anonymous


    when in fact the number of excess deaths exceeds recorded COVID deaths
     
    Huh? Excess deaths from what?
    It is not a question of math at all, but mere logic. Lockdowns and masks clearly do not work (as evidenced by the "increasing number of cases" even in European countries where basically everyone had masks or was locked in indoors, and yet they keep pushing this same system to the population. So of course the reason must be something else.

    Also, if this was a real pandemic with thousands / millions dying, you would notice it pretty quickly. It isn't. It's just like a different type of flu. Most deaths seem to be of pneumonia, btw, not "Covid".
  54. @Supply and Demand
    @Anonymous

    IMO, what Almost Missouri and you said aren't mutually exclusive. I'm an early millennial 5 years out of graduate school. My elder colleagues are the boomer tyrants, and I know what they say behind closed doors. I'm out of American college proper, but I consult as the Chinese university liaison to the Texan university we're partnered with. The contempt for you kids is real and plain as day as soon as the Zoom rooms are logged into.

    The Boomer drive to tyrannize those younger than them shouldn't be underestimated -- as they are deeply jealous of anyone who showcases the vitality so quickly dripping off their lizard-like skin.

    As you said, however, it is the generation of mass premature ejaculation. They are dogshit at actually enforcing rules -- and unlike savvy silent gen politicos, they think they are actually capable of enforcing the dictats.

    Agree with you on the early Xers. My mother is an early Xer (1966) and a small business owner. She has participated in every fake and gay anti-mask demonstration there is and has written letters to Trump begging for him to executive order PPP to keep her enterprise afloat. Pure pathetic narcissism. I've cut her off from my children as a result. They will never meet their grandmother.

    Best of luck in the meat grinder. I suspect you have already figured out how to game it, though.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @anon, @LadyTheo

    I’m an early millennial 5 years out of graduate school.

    Lol, and your daughter in Chicago voted for Biden, too!

    Fake expat troll!

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @anon

    You should go back to that comment, publicly available just by clicking on my profile and scrolling down far enough. It was my niece in Wisconsin who voted for Biden, and I'm quite glad she did.

    My step-sister is a few years older than I am, and had her kid young. I don't see why you in particular (I've run into your comments before) seem so hellbent on framing what I say as anything but upfront.

    I have nothing to hide, and if you looked closely enough, you could probably find a nice photo of me as liaison of a Dalian, PRC-based university with a partnership of a public, Texas-based university. I'll give you another clue to the "Where's Waldo" -- I have hazel eyes. It should separate me from the rest of the people on the "Administration" page.

  55. @Almost Missouri
    @Supply and Demand

    Thanks for the inside university baseball.

    On a separate note, obviously I don't know your mother, but trying not to let the life-investment of one's business get wiped out by government whim doesn't sound like "narcissism". It sounds like common sense.

    Presumably there is some other bad blood between you as otherwise cutting her off from her grandchildren over this seems like a wee bit of an overreaction. Nevertheless, even assuming bad blood, consider that you only get one mother and your kids only get two grandmothers, so permanently depriving them of each other inflicts a handicap on everyone. I know condemnation is more fun than working with the imperfect material that everyone actually is, but we never know what the future will bring and it may be possible that your kids being born into the family and extended family they were born into has a significance and purpose not yet evident.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    I gave her repeated advice throughout the pandemic to cut bait on the endeavor. She had a relatively successful career for 30 years as renal physician before she took a whiff of her “girlfriends’” advice to become a pastry slinger.

    I don’t blame her for deciding to spend her “golden years” running a bakery, but there was a threshold in which she could’ve backed down and should. I advised her as such. However, she is mentally a Typical “Q” boomer who believed that she just needed to keep plan trusting Trump in lieu of her own family. She had enough a retirement nest that she pissed away, and if she died tomorrow she would leave that business and its debts to an uninterested son and an unequally interested stepdaughter. It was pure narcissism and I should’ve pushed back more when she first expressed a desire to do it in 2019.

    She is representative of the society I chose to leave and don’t want her hedonism and narcissism influencing my daughters.

    That said, thanks for your concern. I would have left a “thanks” reply if I wasn’t out of those for the day.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Supply and Demand


    there was a threshold in which she could’ve backed down and should. I advised her as such.
     
    Okay, but anyone who has been in business for any amount of time has made some wrong decisions. If lucky, those wrong decisions did not end one's career. If unlucky, well ... that happens too. Her being unlucky this time would seem to be a cause for pity rather than condemnation.

    she would leave that business and its debts to an uninterested son
     
    Debts aren't heritable, at least in the US, so you shouldn't have to worry about that. Also, she's only in her fifties, so it ain't over yet.

    She is representative of the society I chose to leave and don’t want her hedonism and narcissism influencing my daughters.
     
    Okay, that I can understand. But still, kids don't just learn through emulation; they also learn through aversion. And especially for someone with whom they share family background, it may be helpful for them to see how excess of personality trait x leads to result y. They may have some latent streaks of x too. Better for them to be inoculated now than to grow up to repeat the past later?

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/6917/products/mistakesdemotivator.jpeg

    Besides, if she had something to do with raising you, then surely you don't believe that she is utterly incorrigible?

    But these are all arguments to interest—yours or your kids'. Maybe there are even larger questions? In both China and Texas, filial piety for its own sake is a real thing. So isn't someone who abandons that completely then themselves falling into at least a little bit of ... narcissism and hedonism?
  56. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Almost Missouri

    This is exactly right, and I will not hold it against you in the least that I said the same thing many, many months before. Nobody listens to me, after all. I think they will listen to you.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Thanks.

    Though I don’t think it’s true that no one listens to you. A glance at your comment timeline shows lots of favorable reaction buttons and engaged replies from people who obviously did listen to your comment, even if they do not all agree with it. Speaking for myself, your handle was one of the first on my “Follow Commenter” list, even though I don’t always agree either. But I do always appreciate a clear and independent viewpoint, articulately stated.

  57. @John Johnson
    @Getaclue

    The recovery rate is over 99.7% from this dreaded “plague”

    High recovery rate and yet able to overload a hospital to where they have to reschedule elective surgeries. This problem is happening right now and it's not some conspiracy.
    https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/12/as-oregon-state-hospital-halts-admissions-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-staff-shortage-poses-mounting-challenges.html

    So it's not simply a matter of feeling inconvenienced by the powers that be. If Trump would have taken this seriously from the start and paid attention to what happened in Italy he would have been re-elected. The attitude of "just a flu" is what cost him the election. Now I have to live with President Harris because the tribal right tried to downplay it all just as you are doing now.

    As for masks how was Taiwan able to keep their numbers so low? You really think masks had nothing to do with it? What is their secret then?

    Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle, @LadyTheo, @Cloudbuster, @PennTothal

    Taiwan had gone through Hell with the first SARS CoVid virus. The thinking is that they have very high cross immunity to this new corona virus because of that. Nothing to do with masks.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @LadyTheo


    Taiwan had gone through Hell with the first SARS CoVid virus. The thinking is that they have very high cross immunity to this new corona virus because of that. Nothing to do with masks.

     

    That's true. Taiwan also doesn't have a government program like the U.S. where hospitals are given extra money for each corona virus patient. That program here in the U.S. inflates cases by giving hospitals a financial incentive to reclassify cases.

    Single cause explanations like lockdowns versus no lockdowns are probably overly simplistic. In addition to no hard lockdown Taiwan having low death rates you also have no hard lockdown Japan with low death rates. Here too you might have high cross immunity from previous exposure to similar viruses. Here are a few other possibilities in the case of Japan: humidity levels, elderly cared for in family homes rather than nursing homes, low obesity, higher vitamin d from fish and mushrooms (5% vitamin d deficiency in Japan vs. 50% in U.S.), green tea consumption (a zinc ionophore), use of HCQ, access to better healthcare, genetic differences caused by long term proximity to type of bat that is reservoir for corona viruses, few migrants, more face masks (though this is disputed by visitors to Tokyo nightclubs), surgical masks instead of regular ones, bed rest at home instead of hospitalization, quarantining visitors from other countries, contact tracing, voluntary social distancing, business temperature checks, bowing instead of hugging or shaking hands, moderate climate spreading out cases or postponing them to a later date, more teleworking, more paid sick leave encouraging people to stay home when sick.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

  58. @Supply and Demand
    @Anonymous

    IMO, what Almost Missouri and you said aren't mutually exclusive. I'm an early millennial 5 years out of graduate school. My elder colleagues are the boomer tyrants, and I know what they say behind closed doors. I'm out of American college proper, but I consult as the Chinese university liaison to the Texan university we're partnered with. The contempt for you kids is real and plain as day as soon as the Zoom rooms are logged into.

    The Boomer drive to tyrannize those younger than them shouldn't be underestimated -- as they are deeply jealous of anyone who showcases the vitality so quickly dripping off their lizard-like skin.

    As you said, however, it is the generation of mass premature ejaculation. They are dogshit at actually enforcing rules -- and unlike savvy silent gen politicos, they think they are actually capable of enforcing the dictats.

    Agree with you on the early Xers. My mother is an early Xer (1966) and a small business owner. She has participated in every fake and gay anti-mask demonstration there is and has written letters to Trump begging for him to executive order PPP to keep her enterprise afloat. Pure pathetic narcissism. I've cut her off from my children as a result. They will never meet their grandmother.

    Best of luck in the meat grinder. I suspect you have already figured out how to game it, though.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @anon, @LadyTheo

    Wow. What a whinging little brat you are. One can only hope that your own precious offspring repay the favor and cut you off when they flee your poisonous nest.

    Chinese university liaison…hmmm. A lot of you types are being arrested now, it seems.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @LadyTheo

    It will be quite difficult for the Feds to arrest me from Dalian, China. You may have mistaken me for an Asian in America -- it's the opposite, I'm a White in China who married into the Communist Party. I occupy a remote post with the university's Confucius Institute, which is used to pressure American academia to get in lockstep with Chinese goals. The boomer academics, as distasteful as they are to their fellow countrymen and especially their own students, are quite eager to comply with us. Their job security relies upon it.

    I committed and got away scot free with transferring hard-drives full of language AI research data 6 years ago and have no intent to ever establish myself on a permanent basis in the United States again. Fag marriage was the point at which I decided America was lost. Best of luck with your collapsing gay empire.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Twinkie, @TomSchmidt

  59. @Supply and Demand
    @Almost Missouri

    I gave her repeated advice throughout the pandemic to cut bait on the endeavor. She had a relatively successful career for 30 years as renal physician before she took a whiff of her "girlfriends'" advice to become a pastry slinger.

    I don't blame her for deciding to spend her "golden years" running a bakery, but there was a threshold in which she could've backed down and should. I advised her as such. However, she is mentally a Typical "Q" boomer who believed that she just needed to keep plan trusting Trump in lieu of her own family. She had enough a retirement nest that she pissed away, and if she died tomorrow she would leave that business and its debts to an uninterested son and an unequally interested stepdaughter. It was pure narcissism and I should've pushed back more when she first expressed a desire to do it in 2019.

    She is representative of the society I chose to leave and don't want her hedonism and narcissism influencing my daughters.

    That said, thanks for your concern. I would have left a "thanks" reply if I wasn't out of those for the day.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    there was a threshold in which she could’ve backed down and should. I advised her as such.

    Okay, but anyone who has been in business for any amount of time has made some wrong decisions. If lucky, those wrong decisions did not end one’s career. If unlucky, well … that happens too. Her being unlucky this time would seem to be a cause for pity rather than condemnation.

    she would leave that business and its debts to an uninterested son

    Debts aren’t heritable, at least in the US, so you shouldn’t have to worry about that. Also, she’s only in her fifties, so it ain’t over yet.

    She is representative of the society I chose to leave and don’t want her hedonism and narcissism influencing my daughters.

    Okay, that I can understand. But still, kids don’t just learn through emulation; they also learn through aversion. And especially for someone with whom they share family background, it may be helpful for them to see how excess of personality trait x leads to result y. They may have some latent streaks of x too. Better for them to be inoculated now than to grow up to repeat the past later?

    Besides, if she had something to do with raising you, then surely you don’t believe that she is utterly incorrigible?

    But these are all arguments to interest—yours or your kids’. Maybe there are even larger questions? In both China and Texas, filial piety for its own sake is a real thing. So isn’t someone who abandons that completely then themselves falling into at least a little bit of … narcissism and hedonism?

  60. @John Johnson
    @obwandiyag

    What an intractable pile of infantile gobbledegook.

    Oh boo hoo did I hurt your boomer feelings?

    Ok I'll simplify it for you.

    Left-wing boomers have rallied around a race denying ideology instead of facing reality.

    Right-wing boomers have rallied around a race denying ideology instead of facing reality.

    Everyone down the line gets handed a giant s--t sandwich of debt and destruction because boomers on both sides of the isle can't accept nature might not exist for their ideologies.

    But if I'm wrong do tell where the "war on poverty" (pity based welfare) or "minimal government" (look the other way) was able to fix Black areas. Those ideas have been tried SINCE THE 60s and we still have boomers on both sides clamoring for the same failed theories.

    I guess you’ll be seeing me in Mexico

    I just might. I'm not a White nationalist. I'm just for sound policy regarding race which is outside the capabilities of every single boomer I have met.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom, @Reg Cæsar

    I’m just for sound policy regarding race

    So explain exactly how your sound policy regarding race is going to improve things.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @dfordoom

    So explain exactly how your sound policy regarding race is going to improve things.

    Neither party is interest in my policy but I could share a few components.

    First I would phase out welfare and section 8 to new applicants and cut EITC for singles but double it for newly married couples for 5 years.

    Create reform schools for Black boys that misbehave and supplement with early military training. End bussing while setting minimum funding levels for schools in Black areas.

    End foreign aid to Israel and the UN and subsidize grants to anyone that opens a business in a Black area.

    End affirmative action but allow favored loan status for Black and Hispanic businesses.

    Offer free birth control to 16 and 17 year olds.

    End standardized testing.

    These are positions that I see as middle of the road and realistic based on what we know about race.

  61. It shows the hypocrisy of the mainstream left, but it’s a wrong headed comparison because I actually put value on the lives of my older fellow citizens. I find some of their habits annoying, like when they make the line at the store take longer by paying in cash, but ultimately most are fine people.

    In contrast, I don’t put much value on the aborted fetuses of all these Democrats. I find it strange how many people here express their hatred of Democrats yet are gung-ho about banning abortion. Who do they think are getting the abortions? It’s 1. Democrats and 2. women who are apolitical because they are dumb.

    The only times Republican women would abort their own kid would be 1. rape. and 2. a real eugenic reason if something’s wrong with the kid.

    • Agree: Catdog
    • Replies: @Catdog
    @GoberUppenLuer

    If our enemies want to murder their own children, let them, I say.

  62. @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    College student here, and you're way off. None of us are mad we can't go to class. There was some trepidation that we wouldn't be able to have parties, but it soon became clear that there was not the political capital to enforce whatever prohibitions we have. My mom called me up and asked if there's gonna be a stay-at-home order, and I'm like, hell if I know. I don't even pay attention any more. For many of us, it's dream come true, the college experience, the parties, with all that pesky learning able to be minimized while we surf the net. Only consistent complaint is that the football and basketball games aren't happening.

    IMHO the most upset about the lockdowns are snowflake small business owners on the gen-X/boomer boundary who seem to think they are the master race and that everyone should just die so that their sales don't go down. I would agree that we're probably doing too much to prevent COVID, but I think the main thing here is voluntary decisions, not the government. Sweden had easy-go lockdown and the same economic decline as its neighbors with more COVID deaths.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Almost Missouri, @Dumbo

    For many of us, it’s dream come true, the college experience, the parties, with all that pesky learning able to be minimized while we surf the net.

    LOL. Enjoy your debt, idiots. College education in the U.S. is a joke / scam for 90% of the students and can’t be eliminated soon enough.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Dumbo

    He seems relatively smart enough to know the whole thing's a credentialing scam anyway. I learned that very early on as well, and made it a point to get into Student Government and tyrannize my fellow students with proto-woke coercion back in the mid 2000s. It ascended me through the academic hierarchy quite quickly, and I've been debt free since the Chinese university system paid it off for me in 2015.

  63. @LadyTheo
    @Supply and Demand

    Wow. What a whinging little brat you are. One can only hope that your own precious offspring repay the favor and cut you off when they flee your poisonous nest.

    Chinese university liaison...hmmm. A lot of you types are being arrested now, it seems.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    It will be quite difficult for the Feds to arrest me from Dalian, China. You may have mistaken me for an Asian in America — it’s the opposite, I’m a White in China who married into the Communist Party. I occupy a remote post with the university’s Confucius Institute, which is used to pressure American academia to get in lockstep with Chinese goals. The boomer academics, as distasteful as they are to their fellow countrymen and especially their own students, are quite eager to comply with us. Their job security relies upon it.

    I committed and got away scot free with transferring hard-drives full of language AI research data 6 years ago and have no intent to ever establish myself on a permanent basis in the United States again. Fag marriage was the point at which I decided America was lost. Best of luck with your collapsing gay empire.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Supply and Demand

    Haha! Admitting you're a traitorous piece of Commie scum on the internet! I've heard it all now.

    BTW, as hard-left as American universities are now, some are still getting tired of the BS influence out of the Confucius Institutes and getting them shut down. I just got done with Part 4* of a review of Kai Strittmatter's We Have Been Harmonized about the Orwellian society that modern China under Xi Jinping has become. It is just sickening, because I really did have high hopes for the place when I saw it 15 years ago.

    How do you know Mrs. Theo was referring to US law enforcement? I was thinking more along the lines of someone in the CCP not liking your bragging on the internet about your subversion. Dear Leader-for-Life Xi may come for you. Good luck.



    .

    * See also Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    , @Clyde
    @Supply and Demand

    Instead you you did the fag marriage equivalent in China. You are surrounded by injuns and your children will not look like you.... if you and Ms Han reproduce. I know one thing. I have nothing against Chinese people, but I would not want to engage with or have to look at them all day long. This is your life sentence.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    , @Twinkie
    @Supply and Demand

    I would hope one day that you will come to regret (so boastfully) turning against your country, which is also my country. And as a practical advice, you’d better follow the law where you are and not get on the bad side of its rulers. Otherwise, you might indeed be the recipient of karmic justice.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Supply and Demand

    Zounds. I hope it works out for you.

    People upset with your actions are perhaps unfamiliar with university research. Things like the replication crisis and p-hacking. Was the AI data of any value?

    We are in a full-blown cultural, economic, and spiritual collapse. I'm not sure I prefer China, but at least they spent their trillions on decent rail instead of the F-35. When the final collapse comes here, we will not have the physical infrastructure of places that didn't have to fund the military the way we did. That is going to make life nasty, brutish, and short, indeed. COVID has already made it solitary and poor for a lot of people.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  64. @Dumbo
    @Anonymous


    For many of us, it’s dream come true, the college experience, the parties, with all that pesky learning able to be minimized while we surf the net.
     
    LOL. Enjoy your debt, idiots. College education in the U.S. is a joke / scam for 90% of the students and can't be eliminated soon enough.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    He seems relatively smart enough to know the whole thing’s a credentialing scam anyway. I learned that very early on as well, and made it a point to get into Student Government and tyrannize my fellow students with proto-woke coercion back in the mid 2000s. It ascended me through the academic hierarchy quite quickly, and I’ve been debt free since the Chinese university system paid it off for me in 2015.

  65. @Intelligent Dasein
    @JohnPlywood


    Ill never understand anti-abortion activists.
     
    That's because you're an idiot.

    The issue is not one for utilitarian analysis. The principle is that it is wrong to deliberately destroy innocent human beings. If you cannot understand that, then you can remove yourself from civilization and go live with the beasts where you belong.

    If you really want to eliminate crack-whores and their babies, then work to eliminate state-sponsored welfare. That will do the job right quick.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @JohnPlywood

    Hey dummy, are you forgetting that it’s the developed world that has legal abortion?

    USA, Canada, European countries, China, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea – legal abortion countries

    You now have to pick a third world country to live in, with your fellow anti-abortion advocates. I recommend fhe African nation of Congo, where you will fit in nicely with specimens of your IQ level.

    As for your puerile dog shit about welfare, you’re wrong again:

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2095797?seq=1

    This article examines the incidence and determinants of fertility among women on welfare. The analysis reveals that welfare recipients have a relatively low fertility rate. This rate is below that of women in the general population and is not an artifact of a more favorable demographic structure. Furthermore, the longer a woman remains on welfare, the less likely she is to give birth. The underlying mechanisms behind these findings are explored in the discussion section.

    Reducing benefit access would in fact increase the birth rate among crackwhores.

    As I said, Christians are seemingly genetically predisposed to make the absolute worst decisions and to degrade the quality of everything. They are kryptonite to civilization. No wonder the entire world has oppressed them and no wonder they have been shut out of every level of governance in high-IQ societies.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    USA, Canada, European countries, China, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea – legal abortion countries
     
    Abortion is illegal in South Korea though it is reputedly poorly enforced. Likewise, abortion is illegal in most cases in Japan though exceptions to the ban are said to be exploited widely.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @John Johnson
    @JohnPlywood

    As for your puerile dog shit about welfare, you’re wrong again:

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2095797?seq=1

    Reducing benefit access would in fact increase the birth rate among crackwhores.

    You're sourcing a study from 1989 and all Sociology studies related to welfare use the same dishonest trick which is to ignore SSI.

    The states move the real problem cases onto SSI. If you have heard the term "crazy check" that is where it comes from. They become classified as disability and not welfare. Since it is entirely federal the states end up saving money.

    TANF really isn't the problem and hasn't been for a long time.

  66. @John Johnson
    @Cloudbuster

    I doubt abortions lower the birthrate much. They are there, so people use them. With the knowledge that there is no easy abortion backstop, people avoid pregnancy earlier in the process.

    They actually do because teenage girls and single women have more sex than society wants to admit.

    Before abortion there were schools for pregnant teenagers.

    I suspect that low birthrate has more to do with feminism, birth control, economic competition against the White working class and the general materialism and nihilism of the affluent segment of the population.

    Everything you said is definitely a factor but I think it is mostly economics.

    In my line of work I sometimes rub elbows with college graduates working entry level positions. They act like they don't want kids because of the burden but most can barely make their rent payments. So it really isn't an option to them in the first place. One 21 year old even told me that he'll probably never own a home.

    They aren't out partying either. Most can't afford the bars.

    But in some ways they are also part of the problem. A lot of them just get high instead of trying to find a better career. They all want to work in an office when a lot of the good entry level jobs are in the trades. Most aren't as talented as they think. You have to be exceptional to really rise in the office ranks these days or have some type of owner/nepotism connection.

    This is partly why I hate the Republican party. They grumble about low birth rates but would tell these 20 year olds tough s-- cause that's capitalism. Can't do anything about family wage jobs. WE MUST have a ultra wealthy ruling class. No other way. F-ning Republicans. I hate Democrats too so don't bother getting mad at me about it.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    No, I don’t think so, regarding abortion. We didn’t see any massive reduction of birthrates in the decade following Roe v. Wade. In fact the years from 1959 up through ’73 showed a sizable decline coinciding with birth control and the end of the Baby Boom. The decline slowed markedly the year of Roe and thereafter, ironically.

    In fact, birthrates ticked up for a while from 1979-1988.

    The facts simply don’t support the hypothesis of abortion lowering birthrates, at least in the US.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Cloudbuster

    No, I don’t think so, regarding abortion. We didn’t see any massive reduction of birthrates in the decade following Roe v. Wade. In fact the years from 1959 up through ’73 showed a sizable decline coinciding with birth control

    Meaningless when you have such drastic cultural and economic changes that discourage high birth rates.

    There would also be a cultural lag with the acceptance of abortion.

    What I think happens is that there are fewer women that get pregnant early by accident and are not forced to end their singles lifestyle.

    It's all speculation and really not worth investigating since no one believes that birth rates are primarily determined by abortion availability.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

  67. @dfordoom
    @John Johnson


    I’m just for sound policy regarding race
     
    So explain exactly how your sound policy regarding race is going to improve things.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    So explain exactly how your sound policy regarding race is going to improve things.

    Neither party is interest in my policy but I could share a few components.

    First I would phase out welfare and section 8 to new applicants and cut EITC for singles but double it for newly married couples for 5 years.

    Create reform schools for Black boys that misbehave and supplement with early military training. End bussing while setting minimum funding levels for schools in Black areas.

    End foreign aid to Israel and the UN and subsidize grants to anyone that opens a business in a Black area.

    End affirmative action but allow favored loan status for Black and Hispanic businesses.

    Offer free birth control to 16 and 17 year olds.

    End standardized testing.

    These are positions that I see as middle of the road and realistic based on what we know about race.

  68. Children and young adults are at virtually no risk from Covid.

    In fact, nobody anywhere is at risk from this imaginary virus. Humanity as a whole, however, is at extreme risk from forced vaccinations and other “solutions” being pushed.

  69. @Supply and Demand
    @LadyTheo

    It will be quite difficult for the Feds to arrest me from Dalian, China. You may have mistaken me for an Asian in America -- it's the opposite, I'm a White in China who married into the Communist Party. I occupy a remote post with the university's Confucius Institute, which is used to pressure American academia to get in lockstep with Chinese goals. The boomer academics, as distasteful as they are to their fellow countrymen and especially their own students, are quite eager to comply with us. Their job security relies upon it.

    I committed and got away scot free with transferring hard-drives full of language AI research data 6 years ago and have no intent to ever establish myself on a permanent basis in the United States again. Fag marriage was the point at which I decided America was lost. Best of luck with your collapsing gay empire.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Twinkie, @TomSchmidt

    Haha! Admitting you’re a traitorous piece of Commie scum on the internet! I’ve heard it all now.

    BTW, as hard-left as American universities are now, some are still getting tired of the BS influence out of the Confucius Institutes and getting them shut down. I just got done with Part 4* of a review of Kai Strittmatter’s We Have Been Harmonized about the Orwellian society that modern China under Xi Jinping has become. It is just sickening, because I really did have high hopes for the place when I saw it 15 years ago.

    How do you know Mrs. Theo was referring to US law enforcement? I was thinking more along the lines of someone in the CCP not liking your bragging on the internet about your subversion. Dear Leader-for-Life Xi may come for you. Good luck.

    .

    * See also Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Quite the opposite, re: my subversion. The more people brag on the internet about getting away with it, the more tempting the opportunity becomes for Thousand Talents scholars to take data with them.

    The Chinese don't bother hiding espionage, academic or otherwise anymore.

  70. @John Johnson
    @obwandiyag

    What an intractable pile of infantile gobbledegook.

    Oh boo hoo did I hurt your boomer feelings?

    Ok I'll simplify it for you.

    Left-wing boomers have rallied around a race denying ideology instead of facing reality.

    Right-wing boomers have rallied around a race denying ideology instead of facing reality.

    Everyone down the line gets handed a giant s--t sandwich of debt and destruction because boomers on both sides of the isle can't accept nature might not exist for their ideologies.

    But if I'm wrong do tell where the "war on poverty" (pity based welfare) or "minimal government" (look the other way) was able to fix Black areas. Those ideas have been tried SINCE THE 60s and we still have boomers on both sides clamoring for the same failed theories.

    I guess you’ll be seeing me in Mexico

    I just might. I'm not a White nationalist. I'm just for sound policy regarding race which is outside the capabilities of every single boomer I have met.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom, @Reg Cæsar

    But if I’m wrong do tell where the “war on poverty” (pity based welfare) or “minimal government” (look the other way) was able to fix Black areas. Those ideas have been tried SINCE THE 60s…

    Actually, the 1600s. When have blacks ever covered their costs?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Reg Cæsar


    Actually, the 1600s. When have blacks ever covered their costs?
     
    During slavery era they did plus more than covered costs. But I think you know this.
    Post slavery - mostly as useless as if they were living in Liberia or Uganda
    US blacks need to move to the averaged effed up African nation for a year or 6 months to see what real oppression is like when white racists are not around. Summation- They with lo IQ have no idea how good they got it here. So they riot and act out. Then rioting they loot the CVS near a relative in PA to scoop up as many drugs as possible to consume or sell.

    PA relative NW of Philly just sold the home they owned for 30 years and raised children. They are out!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  71. @Cloudbuster
    @John Johnson

    No, I don't think so, regarding abortion. We didn't see any massive reduction of birthrates in the decade following Roe v. Wade. In fact the years from 1959 up through '73 showed a sizable decline coinciding with birth control and the end of the Baby Boom. The decline slowed markedly the year of Roe and thereafter, ironically.

    In fact, birthrates ticked up for a while from 1979-1988.

    The facts simply don't support the hypothesis of abortion lowering birthrates, at least in the US.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    No, I don’t think so, regarding abortion. We didn’t see any massive reduction of birthrates in the decade following Roe v. Wade. In fact the years from 1959 up through ’73 showed a sizable decline coinciding with birth control

    Meaningless when you have such drastic cultural and economic changes that discourage high birth rates.

    There would also be a cultural lag with the acceptance of abortion.

    What I think happens is that there are fewer women that get pregnant early by accident and are not forced to end their singles lifestyle.

    It’s all speculation and really not worth investigating since no one believes that birth rates are primarily determined by abortion availability.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @John Johnson

    no one believes that birth rates are primarily determined by abortion availability.

    So after all that, the bottom line is that you agree with me.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  72. @Anonymous
    @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    Writers only get paid in clicks if they have ads on their site, and then only if you actually click on the ads.

    The underlying issue here is that there are a lot of commenters who aren't willing to go full-on anti-intellectualism in the mold of Alex Jones. So they want to go on Sailer or Karlin's site and think of themselves as people who can do math, but don't fit in well with the people who are actually intelligent. How many times do we need to hear "the "increasing number of cases” never manage to increase much the excess death statistics," when in fact the number of excess deaths exceeds recorded COVID deaths, before we respond by telling the commenter to go home to InfoWars?

    Replies: @Dumbo

    when in fact the number of excess deaths exceeds recorded COVID deaths

    Huh? Excess deaths from what?
    It is not a question of math at all, but mere logic. Lockdowns and masks clearly do not work (as evidenced by the “increasing number of cases” even in European countries where basically everyone had masks or was locked in indoors, and yet they keep pushing this same system to the population. So of course the reason must be something else.

    Also, if this was a real pandemic with thousands / millions dying, you would notice it pretty quickly. It isn’t. It’s just like a different type of flu. Most deaths seem to be of pneumonia, btw, not “Covid”.

  73. @Supply and Demand
    @LadyTheo

    It will be quite difficult for the Feds to arrest me from Dalian, China. You may have mistaken me for an Asian in America -- it's the opposite, I'm a White in China who married into the Communist Party. I occupy a remote post with the university's Confucius Institute, which is used to pressure American academia to get in lockstep with Chinese goals. The boomer academics, as distasteful as they are to their fellow countrymen and especially their own students, are quite eager to comply with us. Their job security relies upon it.

    I committed and got away scot free with transferring hard-drives full of language AI research data 6 years ago and have no intent to ever establish myself on a permanent basis in the United States again. Fag marriage was the point at which I decided America was lost. Best of luck with your collapsing gay empire.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Twinkie, @TomSchmidt

    Instead you you did the fag marriage equivalent in China. You are surrounded by injuns and your children will not look like you…. if you and Ms Han reproduce. I know one thing. I have nothing against Chinese people, but I would not want to engage with or have to look at them all day long. This is your life sentence.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Clyde

    I'm not married to a Han Chinese in particular, so this somewhat invalidates the argument you feel so strongly about... sorry. I married a Tungusic (Manchu, Khalka tribe specifically), and am myself descended from Hungarians. It's really just going back "home" ancestrally speaking. The Magyar took on several varieties of Hunnic Tungusics before entering the Pannonian plain -- and the Cumans shortly after, of which my surname hails from.

    I don't really feel quite as strongly about having hazel eyes as you do, in terms of the kids "looking like me". They probably came from some Slav war prize in the conquest nearly a millennia ago -- or the raids thereafter who was obviously lost to history. My wife quite likes them, and that's all that matters to me. Gene modification will probably answer their potential desire for different eye colors.. I gravitate more towards a woman's tits rather than her eyes, anyway.

    Replies: @Clyde

  74. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Supply and Demand

    Haha! Admitting you're a traitorous piece of Commie scum on the internet! I've heard it all now.

    BTW, as hard-left as American universities are now, some are still getting tired of the BS influence out of the Confucius Institutes and getting them shut down. I just got done with Part 4* of a review of Kai Strittmatter's We Have Been Harmonized about the Orwellian society that modern China under Xi Jinping has become. It is just sickening, because I really did have high hopes for the place when I saw it 15 years ago.

    How do you know Mrs. Theo was referring to US law enforcement? I was thinking more along the lines of someone in the CCP not liking your bragging on the internet about your subversion. Dear Leader-for-Life Xi may come for you. Good luck.



    .

    * See also Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    Quite the opposite, re: my subversion. The more people brag on the internet about getting away with it, the more tempting the opportunity becomes for Thousand Talents scholars to take data with them.

    The Chinese don’t bother hiding espionage, academic or otherwise anymore.

  75. @anon
    @Supply and Demand

    I’m an early millennial 5 years out of graduate school.

    Lol, and your daughter in Chicago voted for Biden, too!

    Fake expat troll!

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    You should go back to that comment, publicly available just by clicking on my profile and scrolling down far enough. It was my niece in Wisconsin who voted for Biden, and I’m quite glad she did.

    My step-sister is a few years older than I am, and had her kid young. I don’t see why you in particular (I’ve run into your comments before) seem so hellbent on framing what I say as anything but upfront.

    I have nothing to hide, and if you looked closely enough, you could probably find a nice photo of me as liaison of a Dalian, PRC-based university with a partnership of a public, Texas-based university. I’ll give you another clue to the “Where’s Waldo” — I have hazel eyes. It should separate me from the rest of the people on the “Administration” page.

  76. @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    But if I’m wrong do tell where the “war on poverty” (pity based welfare) or “minimal government” (look the other way) was able to fix Black areas. Those ideas have been tried SINCE THE 60s...
     
    Actually, the 1600s. When have blacks ever covered their costs?

    Replies: @Clyde

    Actually, the 1600s. When have blacks ever covered their costs?

    During slavery era they did plus more than covered costs. But I think you know this.
    Post slavery – mostly as useless as if they were living in Liberia or Uganda
    US blacks need to move to the averaged effed up African nation for a year or 6 months to see what real oppression is like when white racists are not around. Summation- They with lo IQ have no idea how good they got it here. So they riot and act out. Then rioting they loot the CVS near a relative in PA to scoop up as many drugs as possible to consume or sell.

    PA relative NW of Philly just sold the home they owned for 30 years and raised children. They are out!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Clyde


    During slavery era they did plus more than covered costs.
     
    That's counterintuitive, to say the least.

    If you need slavery and the threat of torture to get a day's work out of people, well, you have very low-quality people. Who by definition don't belong here.

    Especially after famine made hundreds of thousands of hungry Micks available for the taking.

    Replies: @Clyde

  77. What are the developmental consequences for babies who never see the facial expressions of the adults around them? Of elementary school students who have their concentration broken every twenty seconds by an urge to readjust the thing obstructing their breathing?

    I’m beginning to understand why I’m so screwed up – I spent just about every winter wearing a mask and seeing lots of other people wearing masks while growing up in East Asia. 😉

    • Replies: @res
    @Twinkie

    Could you elaborate a bit more on that practice? What time of year did it start/end? Did it vary by perceived severity of diseases each year? What situations required masks? (e.g. contrast immediate family with extended family with strangers, or indoors vs. outdoors)

    Sorry for the question bomb, but thanks for any information you can offer.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  78. @JohnPlywood
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Hey dummy, are you forgetting that it's the developed world that has legal abortion?

    USA, Canada, European countries, China, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea - legal abortion countries


    You now have to pick a third world country to live in, with your fellow anti-abortion advocates. I recommend fhe African nation of Congo, where you will fit in nicely with specimens of your IQ level.


    As for your puerile dog shit about welfare, you're wrong again:


    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2095797?seq=1


    This article examines the incidence and determinants of fertility among women on welfare. The analysis reveals that welfare recipients have a relatively low fertility rate. This rate is below that of women in the general population and is not an artifact of a more favorable demographic structure. Furthermore, the longer a woman remains on welfare, the less likely she is to give birth. The underlying mechanisms behind these findings are explored in the discussion section.
     
    Reducing benefit access would in fact increase the birth rate among crackwhores.


    As I said, Christians are seemingly genetically predisposed to make the absolute worst decisions and to degrade the quality of everything. They are kryptonite to civilization. No wonder the entire world has oppressed them and no wonder they have been shut out of every level of governance in high-IQ societies.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @John Johnson

    USA, Canada, European countries, China, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea – legal abortion countries

    Abortion is illegal in South Korea though it is reputedly poorly enforced. Likewise, abortion is illegal in most cases in Japan though exceptions to the ban are said to be exploited widely.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Twinkie


    Abortion is illegal in South Korea though it is reputedly poorly enforced.
     
    The same was true for Puerto Rico sixty years ago. One difference is that North American debutantes aren't flying to Seoul these days.
  79. @Supply and Demand
    @LadyTheo

    It will be quite difficult for the Feds to arrest me from Dalian, China. You may have mistaken me for an Asian in America -- it's the opposite, I'm a White in China who married into the Communist Party. I occupy a remote post with the university's Confucius Institute, which is used to pressure American academia to get in lockstep with Chinese goals. The boomer academics, as distasteful as they are to their fellow countrymen and especially their own students, are quite eager to comply with us. Their job security relies upon it.

    I committed and got away scot free with transferring hard-drives full of language AI research data 6 years ago and have no intent to ever establish myself on a permanent basis in the United States again. Fag marriage was the point at which I decided America was lost. Best of luck with your collapsing gay empire.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Twinkie, @TomSchmidt

    I would hope one day that you will come to regret (so boastfully) turning against your country, which is also my country. And as a practical advice, you’d better follow the law where you are and not get on the bad side of its rulers. Otherwise, you might indeed be the recipient of karmic justice.

  80. @LadyTheo
    @John Johnson

    Taiwan had gone through Hell with the first SARS CoVid virus. The thinking is that they have very high cross immunity to this new corona virus because of that. Nothing to do with masks.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    Taiwan had gone through Hell with the first SARS CoVid virus. The thinking is that they have very high cross immunity to this new corona virus because of that. Nothing to do with masks.

    That’s true. Taiwan also doesn’t have a government program like the U.S. where hospitals are given extra money for each corona virus patient. That program here in the U.S. inflates cases by giving hospitals a financial incentive to reclassify cases.

    Single cause explanations like lockdowns versus no lockdowns are probably overly simplistic. In addition to no hard lockdown Taiwan having low death rates you also have no hard lockdown Japan with low death rates. Here too you might have high cross immunity from previous exposure to similar viruses. Here are a few other possibilities in the case of Japan: humidity levels, elderly cared for in family homes rather than nursing homes, low obesity, higher vitamin d from fish and mushrooms (5% vitamin d deficiency in Japan vs. 50% in U.S.), green tea consumption (a zinc ionophore), use of HCQ, access to better healthcare, genetic differences caused by long term proximity to type of bat that is reservoir for corona viruses, few migrants, more face masks (though this is disputed by visitors to Tokyo nightclubs), surgical masks instead of regular ones, bed rest at home instead of hospitalization, quarantining visitors from other countries, contact tracing, voluntary social distancing, business temperature checks, bowing instead of hugging or shaking hands, moderate climate spreading out cases or postponing them to a later date, more teleworking, more paid sick leave encouraging people to stay home when sick.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Mark G.

    Absolutely the "extra money for covid cases and deaths" plays a part in the US numbers. That shouldn't be ignored along with the LUDICROUS amount of ridiculously sensitive testing we do, even on people who aren't sick.

    When the Corona Faithful point out how bad the United States's numbers are relative to other countries and how it's Donald Trump's fault, the response should be, "Yes, we look for it everywhere and we pay people to find it."

    The reason Asian countries are "doing better" than the US is because they are more sensible and treat it like the routine health issue that it is instead of as an apocalyptic plague. They've seen worse.

  81. @Mark G.
    @LadyTheo


    Taiwan had gone through Hell with the first SARS CoVid virus. The thinking is that they have very high cross immunity to this new corona virus because of that. Nothing to do with masks.

     

    That's true. Taiwan also doesn't have a government program like the U.S. where hospitals are given extra money for each corona virus patient. That program here in the U.S. inflates cases by giving hospitals a financial incentive to reclassify cases.

    Single cause explanations like lockdowns versus no lockdowns are probably overly simplistic. In addition to no hard lockdown Taiwan having low death rates you also have no hard lockdown Japan with low death rates. Here too you might have high cross immunity from previous exposure to similar viruses. Here are a few other possibilities in the case of Japan: humidity levels, elderly cared for in family homes rather than nursing homes, low obesity, higher vitamin d from fish and mushrooms (5% vitamin d deficiency in Japan vs. 50% in U.S.), green tea consumption (a zinc ionophore), use of HCQ, access to better healthcare, genetic differences caused by long term proximity to type of bat that is reservoir for corona viruses, few migrants, more face masks (though this is disputed by visitors to Tokyo nightclubs), surgical masks instead of regular ones, bed rest at home instead of hospitalization, quarantining visitors from other countries, contact tracing, voluntary social distancing, business temperature checks, bowing instead of hugging or shaking hands, moderate climate spreading out cases or postponing them to a later date, more teleworking, more paid sick leave encouraging people to stay home when sick.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    Absolutely the “extra money for covid cases and deaths” plays a part in the US numbers. That shouldn’t be ignored along with the LUDICROUS amount of ridiculously sensitive testing we do, even on people who aren’t sick.

    When the Corona Faithful point out how bad the United States’s numbers are relative to other countries and how it’s Donald Trump’s fault, the response should be, “Yes, we look for it everywhere and we pay people to find it.”

    The reason Asian countries are “doing better” than the US is because they are more sensible and treat it like the routine health issue that it is instead of as an apocalyptic plague. They’ve seen worse.

  82. @John Johnson
    @Cloudbuster

    No, I don’t think so, regarding abortion. We didn’t see any massive reduction of birthrates in the decade following Roe v. Wade. In fact the years from 1959 up through ’73 showed a sizable decline coinciding with birth control

    Meaningless when you have such drastic cultural and economic changes that discourage high birth rates.

    There would also be a cultural lag with the acceptance of abortion.

    What I think happens is that there are fewer women that get pregnant early by accident and are not forced to end their singles lifestyle.

    It's all speculation and really not worth investigating since no one believes that birth rates are primarily determined by abortion availability.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    no one believes that birth rates are primarily determined by abortion availability.

    So after all that, the bottom line is that you agree with me.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Cloudbuster

    So after all that, the bottom line is that you agree with me.

    No I think abortion lowers birth rates but it's not the primary factor.

    Similar to how cell phones increase accident rates but that doesn't mean they are the primary cause. It also doesn't mean they are net neutral and can be ignored if the goal is reduce accidents.

    Abortion is used primarily as birth control and birth control availability lowers birth rates.

    Around 1 million women in the US get an abortion each year. Over 20 years that is 20 million people that would have been added to the population. I see no reason to believe that abortion is somehow net neutral or increases birth rates. That doesn't seem mathematically possible.

  83. @John Johnson
    @Getaclue

    The recovery rate is over 99.7% from this dreaded “plague”

    High recovery rate and yet able to overload a hospital to where they have to reschedule elective surgeries. This problem is happening right now and it's not some conspiracy.
    https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/12/as-oregon-state-hospital-halts-admissions-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-staff-shortage-poses-mounting-challenges.html

    So it's not simply a matter of feeling inconvenienced by the powers that be. If Trump would have taken this seriously from the start and paid attention to what happened in Italy he would have been re-elected. The attitude of "just a flu" is what cost him the election. Now I have to live with President Harris because the tribal right tried to downplay it all just as you are doing now.

    As for masks how was Taiwan able to keep their numbers so low? You really think masks had nothing to do with it? What is their secret then?

    Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle, @LadyTheo, @Cloudbuster, @PennTothal

    My daughter’s hospital canceled all “elective” procedures in anticipation of a deluge of COVID patients that never arrived, and stood mostly empty through the spring COVID surge. Healthcare workers were furlowed. My daughter used vacation time so she didn’t spend weeks without pay.

    This was true all over the country. The elective procedures weren’t canceled because hospitals were overwhelmed, they were canceled because of over-reactions by panicky, fear-mongering administrators.

    The hospital forced my daughter and surgeons to stand by and do nothing while people with serious health issues were turned away — “elective” covers an awful lot of important surgery.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Cloudbuster

    Well I'm sorry that happened but it doesn't change the fact that hospitals are getting overloaded with COVID patients. It's not a conspiracy.

    There is a hospital in California that has run out of ICU beds.
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/In-central-California-all-ICU-beds-filled-amid-15797298.php.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @res

  84. @Cloudbuster
    @John Johnson

    no one believes that birth rates are primarily determined by abortion availability.

    So after all that, the bottom line is that you agree with me.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    So after all that, the bottom line is that you agree with me.

    No I think abortion lowers birth rates but it’s not the primary factor.

    Similar to how cell phones increase accident rates but that doesn’t mean they are the primary cause. It also doesn’t mean they are net neutral and can be ignored if the goal is reduce accidents.

    Abortion is used primarily as birth control and birth control availability lowers birth rates.

    Around 1 million women in the US get an abortion each year. Over 20 years that is 20 million people that would have been added to the population. I see no reason to believe that abortion is somehow net neutral or increases birth rates. That doesn’t seem mathematically possible.

  85. @Cloudbuster
    @John Johnson

    My daughter's hospital canceled all "elective" procedures in anticipation of a deluge of COVID patients that never arrived, and stood mostly empty through the spring COVID surge. Healthcare workers were furlowed. My daughter used vacation time so she didn't spend weeks without pay.

    This was true all over the country. The elective procedures weren't canceled because hospitals were overwhelmed, they were canceled because of over-reactions by panicky, fear-mongering administrators.

    The hospital forced my daughter and surgeons to stand by and do nothing while people with serious health issues were turned away -- "elective" covers an awful lot of important surgery.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Well I’m sorry that happened but it doesn’t change the fact that hospitals are getting overloaded with COVID patients. It’s not a conspiracy.

    There is a hospital in California that has run out of ICU beds.
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/In-central-California-all-ICU-beds-filled-amid-15797298.php.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @John Johnson

    Hospitals run at or near capacity on ICU beds all the time. They don't spend money to build beds that only get used once every ten years.

    , @res
    @John Johnson


    There is a hospital in California that has run out of ICU beds.
     
    If ICU capacity is sized in an economically reasonable fashion this is going to happen to individual hospitals at times (and is hardly worth getting exercised about).

    The link you gave is more serious though. They are referring to the entire San Joaquin Valley (a 12 county region in central CA).

    Does anyone have real insight (scare articles in the media don't count) into the current ICU capacity issue? After the spring there seemed to be the conclusion that the ICU beds were overutilized and/or not that effective (think the ventilator debacle) for COVID-19. What is different now? Especially given all of the nonsense about "bending the curve" giving us time to prepare.

    P.S. Looking more closely at the article we see the following. What is going on here?

    The 0% calculated by the state doesn't mean all hospitals have run out of intensive care unit beds, and in Stanislaus County 3.6% of ICU beds were available as of Saturday, said Kamlesh Kaur, a spokeswoman for the county's public health department.
     
    The comments there have some useful skepticism.
  86. @JohnPlywood
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Hey dummy, are you forgetting that it's the developed world that has legal abortion?

    USA, Canada, European countries, China, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea - legal abortion countries


    You now have to pick a third world country to live in, with your fellow anti-abortion advocates. I recommend fhe African nation of Congo, where you will fit in nicely with specimens of your IQ level.


    As for your puerile dog shit about welfare, you're wrong again:


    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2095797?seq=1


    This article examines the incidence and determinants of fertility among women on welfare. The analysis reveals that welfare recipients have a relatively low fertility rate. This rate is below that of women in the general population and is not an artifact of a more favorable demographic structure. Furthermore, the longer a woman remains on welfare, the less likely she is to give birth. The underlying mechanisms behind these findings are explored in the discussion section.
     
    Reducing benefit access would in fact increase the birth rate among crackwhores.


    As I said, Christians are seemingly genetically predisposed to make the absolute worst decisions and to degrade the quality of everything. They are kryptonite to civilization. No wonder the entire world has oppressed them and no wonder they have been shut out of every level of governance in high-IQ societies.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @John Johnson

    As for your puerile dog shit about welfare, you’re wrong again:

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2095797?seq=1

    Reducing benefit access would in fact increase the birth rate among crackwhores.

    You’re sourcing a study from 1989 and all Sociology studies related to welfare use the same dishonest trick which is to ignore SSI.

    The states move the real problem cases onto SSI. If you have heard the term “crazy check” that is where it comes from. They become classified as disability and not welfare. Since it is entirely federal the states end up saving money.

    TANF really isn’t the problem and hasn’t been for a long time.

  87. @John Johnson
    @Getaclue

    The recovery rate is over 99.7% from this dreaded “plague”

    High recovery rate and yet able to overload a hospital to where they have to reschedule elective surgeries. This problem is happening right now and it's not some conspiracy.
    https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/12/as-oregon-state-hospital-halts-admissions-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-staff-shortage-poses-mounting-challenges.html

    So it's not simply a matter of feeling inconvenienced by the powers that be. If Trump would have taken this seriously from the start and paid attention to what happened in Italy he would have been re-elected. The attitude of "just a flu" is what cost him the election. Now I have to live with President Harris because the tribal right tried to downplay it all just as you are doing now.

    As for masks how was Taiwan able to keep their numbers so low? You really think masks had nothing to do with it? What is their secret then?

    Replies: @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle, @LadyTheo, @Cloudbuster, @PennTothal

    Taiwan and New Zealand are small island nations with complete control of their airport and seaports. There is no (literally NONE) undocumented immigration into either of these countries.
    Every person attempting to come into Taiwan must abide by strict testing and quarantine rules. There is no “leakage” in the system- everyone complies. This is the ONLY way to achieve population sterility from a respiratory virus like COVID.

    When this pandemic is over, Taiwan and New Zealand will be the statistical outliers with regards to supressing the virus.

    Every other regional approach – (from the “hardline” lockdowns promoted by France or NYC in the early Summer, to the laissez-faire approach promoted in Sweden or Flordia) has resulted in more-or-less the exact same result with regards to spread of the virus.

    Masks are a minor part, compared to total border control, of the outlier success of Taiwan and New Zealand.

    Masks help, but they help mainly to lower the innoculum of the virus as it spreads. In a masked population you are more likely to get a “low-dose” COVID infection, rather than a “high-dose” COVID infection.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @PennTothal

    Taiwan and New Zealand are small island nations with complete control of their airport and seaports. There is no (literally NONE) undocumented immigration into either of these countries.

    How would they stop it at the airport compared to us? They didn't know about asymptomatic spreaders for months.

    New Zealand is pretty isolated but Taiwan has a lot of business travel from mainland China and Hong Kong.

    Every person attempting to come into Taiwan must abide by strict testing and quarantine rules.

    They had low numbers before airport testing was available.

    What happened is that Taiwan took it seriously from the beginning and I have no doubt is still better at wearing masks and distancing than Americans.

    I went to the grocery store the other night and around 20% of the people didn't have the mask over their nose. My wife works in a publicly facing position and she says people will take their mask off to talk.

    Then there are all the people that insist on doing things like going to church or the bars. Our local bar has been packed the last two months. Did you see the pictures of the airports around Thanksgiving?

    Then Trump encouraged a FreeDumb movement which the left of course capitalized upon. It's all so tiresome. Americans aren't capable of staying home for two weeks. That is the real problem. Now we get president Harris because of this mess. Thanks a f-ning bunch to everyone. God forbid you skip church or the bars for a few weeks.

    Replies: @PennTothal

  88. @PennTothal
    @John Johnson

    Taiwan and New Zealand are small island nations with complete control of their airport and seaports. There is no (literally NONE) undocumented immigration into either of these countries.
    Every person attempting to come into Taiwan must abide by strict testing and quarantine rules. There is no "leakage" in the system- everyone complies. This is the ONLY way to achieve population sterility from a respiratory virus like COVID.

    When this pandemic is over, Taiwan and New Zealand will be the statistical outliers with regards to supressing the virus.

    Every other regional approach - (from the "hardline" lockdowns promoted by France or NYC in the early Summer, to the laissez-faire approach promoted in Sweden or Flordia) has resulted in more-or-less the exact same result with regards to spread of the virus.

    Masks are a minor part, compared to total border control, of the outlier success of Taiwan and New Zealand.

    Masks help, but they help mainly to lower the innoculum of the virus as it spreads. In a masked population you are more likely to get a "low-dose" COVID infection, rather than a "high-dose" COVID infection.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Taiwan and New Zealand are small island nations with complete control of their airport and seaports. There is no (literally NONE) undocumented immigration into either of these countries.

    How would they stop it at the airport compared to us? They didn’t know about asymptomatic spreaders for months.

    New Zealand is pretty isolated but Taiwan has a lot of business travel from mainland China and Hong Kong.

    Every person attempting to come into Taiwan must abide by strict testing and quarantine rules.

    They had low numbers before airport testing was available.

    What happened is that Taiwan took it seriously from the beginning and I have no doubt is still better at wearing masks and distancing than Americans.

    I went to the grocery store the other night and around 20% of the people didn’t have the mask over their nose. My wife works in a publicly facing position and she says people will take their mask off to talk.

    Then there are all the people that insist on doing things like going to church or the bars. Our local bar has been packed the last two months. Did you see the pictures of the airports around Thanksgiving?

    Then Trump encouraged a FreeDumb movement which the left of course capitalized upon. It’s all so tiresome. Americans aren’t capable of staying home for two weeks. That is the real problem. Now we get president Harris because of this mess. Thanks a f-ning bunch to everyone. God forbid you skip church or the bars for a few weeks.

    • Replies: @PennTothal
    @John Johnson

    I'm making a prediction that is falsifiable.

    To repeat this prediction: When this pandemic is over, two nations will be statistical outliers in their ability to limit COVID infections: Taiwan and New Zealand.

    These nations will stand apart. The main reason will be the fact that they are island nations with serious rule-of-law and controls on all in-migration.

    Other regions including those with laissez-faire mask policies (Texas, Florida, Sweden) and those with strict masking mandates (Korea, Japan, California) will look essentially the same in terms of final case counts and infections. Regions with strict mask mandates may have fewer deaths and serious cases due to the inoculum effect: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393808/

    If, around October 2021, when this pandemic winds down, I am wrong about this, I'll be happy to post a mea culpa here.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  89. @John Johnson
    @Cloudbuster

    Well I'm sorry that happened but it doesn't change the fact that hospitals are getting overloaded with COVID patients. It's not a conspiracy.

    There is a hospital in California that has run out of ICU beds.
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/In-central-California-all-ICU-beds-filled-amid-15797298.php.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @res

    Hospitals run at or near capacity on ICU beds all the time. They don’t spend money to build beds that only get used once every ten years.

  90. @Anonymous
    @Dumbo


    But feminism and birth control are totally linked to abortion. Who are the biggest abortion defenders? Feminists. “My body, my choice”, or whatever.
     
    They aren't the main people using it, that's women who are too dumb to have any real political ideology. Feminists complain about it for the same reason they complain about the Amazon rainforest: virtue-signalling, not because they expect it to personally impact them. A large proportion aren't having sex at all, and the ones who are are smart enough to use contraception.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    They aren’t the main people using it, that’s women who are too dumb to have any real political ideology

    Maybe, but it works. The Left is like the Eveready rabbit, it keeps going and going and going. Five years ago a law to institute legal abortion had been defeated in Argentina. Now it appears to have been approved.

    Feminists may not abort too much, but they are instrumental in making abortion legal in all modern countries, and they will get it. Honestly I don’t understand this big push for abortion, what purpose does it serve? If it’s just birth control, today there are much easier and safe ways to do it. Most women are not so dumb that they don’t know how babies are made. Whores and porn stars rarely abort today.

    And if people wanted to do eugenics, which is obviously not in vogue anywhere today, abortion would not be the best method for that anyway. So for me the push for abortion is really a push for “death” against “life” – the same reason why euthanasia is being pushed, when it’s also unnecessary.

  91. @dfordoom

    One way to understand the current panicdemic is as a farewell middle finger from Boomers+ to younger generations.
     
    Another way to understand it is as an example of the crybaby younger generations doing what they do best - crying when they don't get what they want.

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it. They took to the streets, and risked being beaten up by the police.

    The only members of the crybaby younger generations getting off their asses and doing something is the antifa loons. They're stupid and crazy and evil but at least they're doing more than sitting in the corner sobbing about how unfair it all is and how mean the Boomers have been to them.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Getaclue, @Pop Warner, @anon, @fnn

    They took to the streets, and risked being beaten up by the police

    Oh please, they were the same whiny corporate jackboots as the queers in antifa out rioting. You’re as much of a stooge as them if you seriously believe some middle class yids throwing hissy fits warranted some kind of police response. The entitled bourgeois rioters at Kent State were lucky that only four people were killed; far more deserved to for their academia and media-backed savagery

  92. anon[827] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    One way to understand the current panicdemic is as a farewell middle finger from Boomers+ to younger generations.
     
    Another way to understand it is as an example of the crybaby younger generations doing what they do best - crying when they don't get what they want.

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it. They took to the streets, and risked being beaten up by the police.

    The only members of the crybaby younger generations getting off their asses and doing something is the antifa loons. They're stupid and crazy and evil but at least they're doing more than sitting in the corner sobbing about how unfair it all is and how mean the Boomers have been to them.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Getaclue, @Pop Warner, @anon, @fnn

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it.

    Lol, they sat in their dorm rooms and got high. Then they went to their family doctor and got “tennis elbow”. Then they got a draft deferment and went to seminary because of a “spiritual calling”. Then after the draft was cancelled in 1973 they went off and sold insurance.

    That’s what Boomers did.

    l.o.l.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @anon

    2.7 million US military served in Vietnam, the bulk of them Boomers. More than 58,000 died, more than 303,000 wounded. Again, the bulk of them Boomers.

    You and dfordoom both managed to be wrong. Only 25% of the men in combat zones were draftees. Not every Boomer nor even most were a draft-evading hippies or anti-war activists.

    Vietnam was a stupid war, but the American people at the time were victims of a political and media monoculture that fed them lies first about patriotism, then anti-war activism and they had few avenues for alternate information to cause them to question the shifting narratives they were being presented.

    There were and are a lot of men proud to have served, and you have to be pretty low to criticize their dedication. They believed a lie, but they acted with valor and bravery all the same.

    The war was run by much older men who didn't put themselves at risk. The oldest Boomers were just 28 when the last US troops left Vietnam. The war wasn't run by Boomer men, but neither was it Boomer men who decided to turn public opinion against the war -- it was, again, powerful older men and women. Neither group of powerful people had the interests of the men on the front lines at heart, or even the good of the country overall.

    To criticize Boomer men on either side, for or against the war, is like criticizing a child for being abused by his parent. The volunteer soldiers, the draftees, the draft dodgers and the protestors were all caught up as pawns in a conflict waged mostly by "The Greatest Generation" both against Vietnam and against competing factions within the US.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  93. @John Johnson
    @PennTothal

    Taiwan and New Zealand are small island nations with complete control of their airport and seaports. There is no (literally NONE) undocumented immigration into either of these countries.

    How would they stop it at the airport compared to us? They didn't know about asymptomatic spreaders for months.

    New Zealand is pretty isolated but Taiwan has a lot of business travel from mainland China and Hong Kong.

    Every person attempting to come into Taiwan must abide by strict testing and quarantine rules.

    They had low numbers before airport testing was available.

    What happened is that Taiwan took it seriously from the beginning and I have no doubt is still better at wearing masks and distancing than Americans.

    I went to the grocery store the other night and around 20% of the people didn't have the mask over their nose. My wife works in a publicly facing position and she says people will take their mask off to talk.

    Then there are all the people that insist on doing things like going to church or the bars. Our local bar has been packed the last two months. Did you see the pictures of the airports around Thanksgiving?

    Then Trump encouraged a FreeDumb movement which the left of course capitalized upon. It's all so tiresome. Americans aren't capable of staying home for two weeks. That is the real problem. Now we get president Harris because of this mess. Thanks a f-ning bunch to everyone. God forbid you skip church or the bars for a few weeks.

    Replies: @PennTothal

    I’m making a prediction that is falsifiable.

    To repeat this prediction: When this pandemic is over, two nations will be statistical outliers in their ability to limit COVID infections: Taiwan and New Zealand.

    These nations will stand apart. The main reason will be the fact that they are island nations with serious rule-of-law and controls on all in-migration.

    Other regions including those with laissez-faire mask policies (Texas, Florida, Sweden) and those with strict masking mandates (Korea, Japan, California) will look essentially the same in terms of final case counts and infections. Regions with strict mask mandates may have fewer deaths and serious cases due to the inoculum effect: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393808/

    If, around October 2021, when this pandemic winds down, I am wrong about this, I’ll be happy to post a mea culpa here.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @PennTothal

    I’m making a prediction that is falsifiable.

    To repeat this prediction: When this pandemic is over, two nations will be statistical outliers in their ability to limit COVID infections: Taiwan and New Zealand.

    Well that will probably be true since the vaccine is almost here and the numbers are unlikely to change much.

    Other regions including those with laissez-faire mask policies (Texas, Florida, Sweden) and those with strict masking mandates (Korea, Japan, California)

    California has a strict mandate on paper compared to other states but it isn't enforced. It certainly can't be compared to Korea or Japan. The state is managed by weak liberals that can't enforce the law on anything.

    Anyways Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand also have low numbers.

    Vietnam had early mask use
    https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2020/10/23/mass-masking-and-vietnams-covid-19-success/

    I really doubt that is just a coincidence.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

  94. @Supply and Demand
    @LadyTheo

    It will be quite difficult for the Feds to arrest me from Dalian, China. You may have mistaken me for an Asian in America -- it's the opposite, I'm a White in China who married into the Communist Party. I occupy a remote post with the university's Confucius Institute, which is used to pressure American academia to get in lockstep with Chinese goals. The boomer academics, as distasteful as they are to their fellow countrymen and especially their own students, are quite eager to comply with us. Their job security relies upon it.

    I committed and got away scot free with transferring hard-drives full of language AI research data 6 years ago and have no intent to ever establish myself on a permanent basis in the United States again. Fag marriage was the point at which I decided America was lost. Best of luck with your collapsing gay empire.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Twinkie, @TomSchmidt

    Zounds. I hope it works out for you.

    People upset with your actions are perhaps unfamiliar with university research. Things like the replication crisis and p-hacking. Was the AI data of any value?

    We are in a full-blown cultural, economic, and spiritual collapse. I’m not sure I prefer China, but at least they spent their trillions on decent rail instead of the F-35. When the final collapse comes here, we will not have the physical infrastructure of places that didn’t have to fund the military the way we did. That is going to make life nasty, brutish, and short, indeed. COVID has already made it solitary and poor for a lot of people.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @TomSchmidt

    The data was valuable insofar as it was wanted. America has a slightly longer history of developing AI capable of true “language learning” than China does, but from my moderately detailed understanding America’s about 10-12 years behind Japan in terms of serious data. It’s hard to know where the nips are because their academia and research unis have mostly stopped collaborating with US ones.

    Most figured out that they were research sharing with American unis only to be unwillingly passing it off to China shortly thereafter.

  95. @Clyde
    @Supply and Demand

    Instead you you did the fag marriage equivalent in China. You are surrounded by injuns and your children will not look like you.... if you and Ms Han reproduce. I know one thing. I have nothing against Chinese people, but I would not want to engage with or have to look at them all day long. This is your life sentence.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    I’m not married to a Han Chinese in particular, so this somewhat invalidates the argument you feel so strongly about… sorry. I married a Tungusic (Manchu, Khalka tribe specifically), and am myself descended from Hungarians. It’s really just going back “home” ancestrally speaking. The Magyar took on several varieties of Hunnic Tungusics before entering the Pannonian plain — and the Cumans shortly after, of which my surname hails from.

    I don’t really feel quite as strongly about having hazel eyes as you do, in terms of the kids “looking like me”. They probably came from some Slav war prize in the conquest nearly a millennia ago — or the raids thereafter who was obviously lost to history. My wife quite likes them, and that’s all that matters to me. Gene modification will probably answer their potential desire for different eye colors.. I gravitate more towards a woman’s tits rather than her eyes, anyway.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Supply and Demand

    Pics or it didn't happen. But I like your expository be it true/untrue. I rate it as true. Good luck out there in this cold universe, that you have love and marriage in China.

    God has delivered to me personally, very recently even, and is the antidote to the pagan Chinese coldness.

  96. @PennTothal
    @John Johnson

    I'm making a prediction that is falsifiable.

    To repeat this prediction: When this pandemic is over, two nations will be statistical outliers in their ability to limit COVID infections: Taiwan and New Zealand.

    These nations will stand apart. The main reason will be the fact that they are island nations with serious rule-of-law and controls on all in-migration.

    Other regions including those with laissez-faire mask policies (Texas, Florida, Sweden) and those with strict masking mandates (Korea, Japan, California) will look essentially the same in terms of final case counts and infections. Regions with strict mask mandates may have fewer deaths and serious cases due to the inoculum effect: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393808/

    If, around October 2021, when this pandemic winds down, I am wrong about this, I'll be happy to post a mea culpa here.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I’m making a prediction that is falsifiable.

    To repeat this prediction: When this pandemic is over, two nations will be statistical outliers in their ability to limit COVID infections: Taiwan and New Zealand.

    Well that will probably be true since the vaccine is almost here and the numbers are unlikely to change much.

    Other regions including those with laissez-faire mask policies (Texas, Florida, Sweden) and those with strict masking mandates (Korea, Japan, California)

    California has a strict mandate on paper compared to other states but it isn’t enforced. It certainly can’t be compared to Korea or Japan. The state is managed by weak liberals that can’t enforce the law on anything.

    Anyways Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand also have low numbers.

    Vietnam had early mask use
    https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2020/10/23/mass-masking-and-vietnams-covid-19-success/

    I really doubt that is just a coincidence.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @John Johnson

    California has a strict mandate on paper compared to other states but it isn’t enforced. It certainly can’t be compared to Korea or Japan.

    Japan doesn't have strong mandatory measures. The Youtuber Black Pigeon Speaks lives in Japan and has been doing videos about the Japanese response regularly. The striking thing about Japan's measures is that they are almost entirely voluntary, relying on informed cooperation of the citizens instead of heavy-handed punitive measures as we see in the US.

  97. @anon
    @dfordoom

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it.

    Lol, they sat in their dorm rooms and got high. Then they went to their family doctor and got "tennis elbow". Then they got a draft deferment and went to seminary because of a "spiritual calling". Then after the draft was cancelled in 1973 they went off and sold insurance.

    That's what Boomers did.

    l.o.l.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    2.7 million US military served in Vietnam, the bulk of them Boomers. More than 58,000 died, more than 303,000 wounded. Again, the bulk of them Boomers.

    You and dfordoom both managed to be wrong. Only 25% of the men in combat zones were draftees. Not every Boomer nor even most were a draft-evading hippies or anti-war activists.

    Vietnam was a stupid war, but the American people at the time were victims of a political and media monoculture that fed them lies first about patriotism, then anti-war activism and they had few avenues for alternate information to cause them to question the shifting narratives they were being presented.

    There were and are a lot of men proud to have served, and you have to be pretty low to criticize their dedication. They believed a lie, but they acted with valor and bravery all the same.

    The war was run by much older men who didn’t put themselves at risk. The oldest Boomers were just 28 when the last US troops left Vietnam. The war wasn’t run by Boomer men, but neither was it Boomer men who decided to turn public opinion against the war — it was, again, powerful older men and women. Neither group of powerful people had the interests of the men on the front lines at heart, or even the good of the country overall.

    To criticize Boomer men on either side, for or against the war, is like criticizing a child for being abused by his parent. The volunteer soldiers, the draftees, the draft dodgers and the protestors were all caught up as pawns in a conflict waged mostly by “The Greatest Generation” both against Vietnam and against competing factions within the US.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Cloudbuster


    The oldest Boomers were just 28 when the last US troops left Vietnam.

     

    The voting age was 21 in 46 states, and 18 in only two. In those 46, no "boomer" could vote until November of 1967. Never mind Vietnam, that was too late to have had an influence on Roe.

    Vietnam was a stupid war, but the American people at the time were victims of a political and media monoculture that fed them lies first about patriotism...
     
    [Insert foreign was here] was a stupid war, but the American people at the time were victims of a political and media monoculture that fed them lies first about patriotism...

    1812, 1861, Spanish-American, WWI, WWII, Korea...

    (No guff about Pearl Harbor. The Lend-Lease Act and the oil embargo were our true entry into that war. Our "neutrality" by then had as much integrity as the recent election.)

    To criticize Boomer men on either side, for or against the war, is like criticizing a child for being abused by his parent.
     
    Not to be Freudian about this, but one can easily read some unhealthy parent-child issues into these critics' arguments. Remember, "generations" weren't even given names until the '80s or later. Plenty of talk about a "baby boom", but no labeling yet. It was a phenomenon, not a cohort.

    Those who cling to questionable generational labeling are the slaves of some defunct market researcher. (Some defunct boomer market researcher!) Followed by an army of lazy "journalists".

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  98. @John Johnson
    @PennTothal

    I’m making a prediction that is falsifiable.

    To repeat this prediction: When this pandemic is over, two nations will be statistical outliers in their ability to limit COVID infections: Taiwan and New Zealand.

    Well that will probably be true since the vaccine is almost here and the numbers are unlikely to change much.

    Other regions including those with laissez-faire mask policies (Texas, Florida, Sweden) and those with strict masking mandates (Korea, Japan, California)

    California has a strict mandate on paper compared to other states but it isn't enforced. It certainly can't be compared to Korea or Japan. The state is managed by weak liberals that can't enforce the law on anything.

    Anyways Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand also have low numbers.

    Vietnam had early mask use
    https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2020/10/23/mass-masking-and-vietnams-covid-19-success/

    I really doubt that is just a coincidence.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    California has a strict mandate on paper compared to other states but it isn’t enforced. It certainly can’t be compared to Korea or Japan.

    Japan doesn’t have strong mandatory measures. The Youtuber Black Pigeon Speaks lives in Japan and has been doing videos about the Japanese response regularly. The striking thing about Japan’s measures is that they are almost entirely voluntary, relying on informed cooperation of the citizens instead of heavy-handed punitive measures as we see in the US.

  99. @TomSchmidt
    @Supply and Demand

    Zounds. I hope it works out for you.

    People upset with your actions are perhaps unfamiliar with university research. Things like the replication crisis and p-hacking. Was the AI data of any value?

    We are in a full-blown cultural, economic, and spiritual collapse. I'm not sure I prefer China, but at least they spent their trillions on decent rail instead of the F-35. When the final collapse comes here, we will not have the physical infrastructure of places that didn't have to fund the military the way we did. That is going to make life nasty, brutish, and short, indeed. COVID has already made it solitary and poor for a lot of people.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    The data was valuable insofar as it was wanted. America has a slightly longer history of developing AI capable of true “language learning” than China does, but from my moderately detailed understanding America’s about 10-12 years behind Japan in terms of serious data. It’s hard to know where the nips are because their academia and research unis have mostly stopped collaborating with US ones.

    Most figured out that they were research sharing with American unis only to be unwillingly passing it off to China shortly thereafter.

  100. @Supply and Demand
    @Clyde

    I'm not married to a Han Chinese in particular, so this somewhat invalidates the argument you feel so strongly about... sorry. I married a Tungusic (Manchu, Khalka tribe specifically), and am myself descended from Hungarians. It's really just going back "home" ancestrally speaking. The Magyar took on several varieties of Hunnic Tungusics before entering the Pannonian plain -- and the Cumans shortly after, of which my surname hails from.

    I don't really feel quite as strongly about having hazel eyes as you do, in terms of the kids "looking like me". They probably came from some Slav war prize in the conquest nearly a millennia ago -- or the raids thereafter who was obviously lost to history. My wife quite likes them, and that's all that matters to me. Gene modification will probably answer their potential desire for different eye colors.. I gravitate more towards a woman's tits rather than her eyes, anyway.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Pics or it didn’t happen. But I like your expository be it true/untrue. I rate it as true. Good luck out there in this cold universe, that you have love and marriage in China.

    God has delivered to me personally, very recently even, and is the antidote to the pagan Chinese coldness.

  101. @GoberUppenLuer
    It shows the hypocrisy of the mainstream left, but it's a wrong headed comparison because I actually put value on the lives of my older fellow citizens. I find some of their habits annoying, like when they make the line at the store take longer by paying in cash, but ultimately most are fine people.

    In contrast, I don't put much value on the aborted fetuses of all these Democrats. I find it strange how many people here express their hatred of Democrats yet are gung-ho about banning abortion. Who do they think are getting the abortions? It's 1. Democrats and 2. women who are apolitical because they are dumb.

    The only times Republican women would abort their own kid would be 1. rape. and 2. a real eugenic reason if something's wrong with the kid.

    Replies: @Catdog

    If our enemies want to murder their own children, let them, I say.

  102. @Black woman
    Lmao this post is devoid of facts.

    For those under 30, covid-19 is 33 times deadlier than the flu.

    If you have to literally pull things out of your ass and make things up to make your point, isn't that an admission that your point is devoid of credibility?

    Better to just admit it's a nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah stand on principle, the defiance of a child. At least that's honest.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @res

    Some impressive projection there.

    For those under 30, covid-19 is 33 times deadlier than the flu.

    That seems not to be true for children (say 14 and under). In fact, flu seems to be worse than COVID-19 for them. See discussion in this comment and the replies.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-big-question/#comment-3906569

    Any evidence for your assertion?

    • Replies: @anon
    @res

    Some impressive projection there.

    FYI: That's a Tiny-Duck style trolling comment. There is a formulaic aspect, makes it easy to spot.

    The Current Year trolls all tend to be that way. Sometimes I wonder if some of Unz's SillyCon Valley friends are actually test-running AI bots in the comments.

  103. @Twinkie

    What are the developmental consequences for babies who never see the facial expressions of the adults around them? Of elementary school students who have their concentration broken every twenty seconds by an urge to readjust the thing obstructing their breathing?
     
    I’m beginning to understand why I’m so screwed up - I spent just about every winter wearing a mask and seeing lots of other people wearing masks while growing up in East Asia. ;)

    Replies: @res

    Could you elaborate a bit more on that practice? What time of year did it start/end? Did it vary by perceived severity of diseases each year? What situations required masks? (e.g. contrast immediate family with extended family with strangers, or indoors vs. outdoors)

    Sorry for the question bomb, but thanks for any information you can offer.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @res

    When I was growing up in East Asia in the late 60's to the early 80's, it was pretty common for people to wear masks during the cold and flu season (winter), both to reduce the risk of infection and to lower the chance of transmission to others if sick. It was considered really bad form to cough or have nasal drainage without a mask on.

    The government strongly encouraged such a behavior and the social norms (voluntarily) enforced it. We did the same in my family. It was not fun wearing a mask from anywhere from 3-4 days to 2 weeks, but I did it when I was sick or was around others who seem to be. I also saw many other people do it (though by no means everyone), none of which struck me as strange or alarming. The masks were almost uniformly white like these:

    https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2015/06/08/mask-selfie.jpg

    https://i.stack.imgur.com/VnAvF.jpg

    I don't think it was all that different in the U.S. in the bygone days, which was why I wrote this comment: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/oxygen-is-a-human-right/#comment-4306832


    About the whole mask situation… To me, the politicization of the mask-wearing is an indication that the traditional American civic norms have eroded badly. In a better America, the federal government would never legally impose such a broad mandate, yet Americans would – out of common decency and concern for their fellow citizens – voluntarily wear masks amidst a pandemic. What we have today is the opposite.
     
    https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTcxMDYzNTE5MDY2NzI3Njg1/1918-spanish-flu-gettyimages-89857849.jpg
  104. @John Johnson
    @Cloudbuster

    Well I'm sorry that happened but it doesn't change the fact that hospitals are getting overloaded with COVID patients. It's not a conspiracy.

    There is a hospital in California that has run out of ICU beds.
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/In-central-California-all-ICU-beds-filled-amid-15797298.php.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @res

    There is a hospital in California that has run out of ICU beds.

    If ICU capacity is sized in an economically reasonable fashion this is going to happen to individual hospitals at times (and is hardly worth getting exercised about).

    The link you gave is more serious though. They are referring to the entire San Joaquin Valley (a 12 county region in central CA).

    Does anyone have real insight (scare articles in the media don’t count) into the current ICU capacity issue? After the spring there seemed to be the conclusion that the ICU beds were overutilized and/or not that effective (think the ventilator debacle) for COVID-19. What is different now? Especially given all of the nonsense about “bending the curve” giving us time to prepare.

    P.S. Looking more closely at the article we see the following. What is going on here?

    The 0% calculated by the state doesn’t mean all hospitals have run out of intensive care unit beds, and in Stanislaus County 3.6% of ICU beds were available as of Saturday, said Kamlesh Kaur, a spokeswoman for the county’s public health department.

    The comments there have some useful skepticism.

  105. @res
    @Black woman

    Some impressive projection there.


    For those under 30, covid-19 is 33 times deadlier than the flu.
     
    That seems not to be true for children (say 14 and under). In fact, flu seems to be worse than COVID-19 for them. See discussion in this comment and the replies.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-big-question/#comment-3906569

    Any evidence for your assertion?

    Replies: @anon

    Some impressive projection there.

    FYI: That’s a Tiny-Duck style trolling comment. There is a formulaic aspect, makes it easy to spot.

    The Current Year trolls all tend to be that way. Sometimes I wonder if some of Unz’s SillyCon Valley friends are actually test-running AI bots in the comments.

  106. @Clyde
    @Reg Cæsar


    Actually, the 1600s. When have blacks ever covered their costs?
     
    During slavery era they did plus more than covered costs. But I think you know this.
    Post slavery - mostly as useless as if they were living in Liberia or Uganda
    US blacks need to move to the averaged effed up African nation for a year or 6 months to see what real oppression is like when white racists are not around. Summation- They with lo IQ have no idea how good they got it here. So they riot and act out. Then rioting they loot the CVS near a relative in PA to scoop up as many drugs as possible to consume or sell.

    PA relative NW of Philly just sold the home they owned for 30 years and raised children. They are out!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    During slavery era they did plus more than covered costs.

    That’s counterintuitive, to say the least.

    If you need slavery and the threat of torture to get a day’s work out of people, well, you have very low-quality people. Who by definition don’t belong here.

    Especially after famine made hundreds of thousands of hungry Micks available for the taking.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Reg Cæsar

    I have zero Irish blood but I like Micks in the USA. If I had the money I would visit Ireland and drink fresh from the tap Guinness every day in every way. But I have nations on me visit list ahead of Ireland. Korea, Japan and certain East European ones. Someone needs to float me a million dollar loan.
    Shenzhen China but only if I am given a solid guide to the good restaurants. I would visit the hi-tech bazars there that I have seen on you tube

  107. @Cloudbuster
    @anon

    2.7 million US military served in Vietnam, the bulk of them Boomers. More than 58,000 died, more than 303,000 wounded. Again, the bulk of them Boomers.

    You and dfordoom both managed to be wrong. Only 25% of the men in combat zones were draftees. Not every Boomer nor even most were a draft-evading hippies or anti-war activists.

    Vietnam was a stupid war, but the American people at the time were victims of a political and media monoculture that fed them lies first about patriotism, then anti-war activism and they had few avenues for alternate information to cause them to question the shifting narratives they were being presented.

    There were and are a lot of men proud to have served, and you have to be pretty low to criticize their dedication. They believed a lie, but they acted with valor and bravery all the same.

    The war was run by much older men who didn't put themselves at risk. The oldest Boomers were just 28 when the last US troops left Vietnam. The war wasn't run by Boomer men, but neither was it Boomer men who decided to turn public opinion against the war -- it was, again, powerful older men and women. Neither group of powerful people had the interests of the men on the front lines at heart, or even the good of the country overall.

    To criticize Boomer men on either side, for or against the war, is like criticizing a child for being abused by his parent. The volunteer soldiers, the draftees, the draft dodgers and the protestors were all caught up as pawns in a conflict waged mostly by "The Greatest Generation" both against Vietnam and against competing factions within the US.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The oldest Boomers were just 28 when the last US troops left Vietnam.

    The voting age was 21 in 46 states, and 18 in only two. In those 46, no “boomer” could vote until November of 1967. Never mind Vietnam, that was too late to have had an influence on Roe.

    Vietnam was a stupid war, but the American people at the time were victims of a political and media monoculture that fed them lies first about patriotism…

    [Insert foreign was here] was a stupid war, but the American people at the time were victims of a political and media monoculture that fed them lies first about patriotism…

    1812, 1861, Spanish-American, WWI, WWII, Korea…

    (No guff about Pearl Harbor. The Lend-Lease Act and the oil embargo were our true entry into that war. Our “neutrality” by then had as much integrity as the recent election.)

    To criticize Boomer men on either side, for or against the war, is like criticizing a child for being abused by his parent.

    Not to be Freudian about this, but one can easily read some unhealthy parent-child issues into these critics’ arguments. Remember, “generations” weren’t even given names until the ’80s or later. Plenty of talk about a “baby boom”, but no labeling yet. It was a phenomenon, not a cohort.

    Those who cling to questionable generational labeling are the slaves of some defunct market researcher. (Some defunct boomer market researcher!) Followed by an army of lazy “journalists”.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar


    Those who cling to questionable generational labeling are the slaves of some defunct market researcher.
     
    Hey, didn't you get the memo? You aren't supposed to talk about Steve Sailer that way.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  108. Well then it’s a good thing I support abortion for 100% cognitive elitist and eugenic reasons.

    You don’t have to be pro-choice to be pro-abortion.

  109. @res
    @Twinkie

    Could you elaborate a bit more on that practice? What time of year did it start/end? Did it vary by perceived severity of diseases each year? What situations required masks? (e.g. contrast immediate family with extended family with strangers, or indoors vs. outdoors)

    Sorry for the question bomb, but thanks for any information you can offer.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    When I was growing up in East Asia in the late 60’s to the early 80’s, it was pretty common for people to wear masks during the cold and flu season (winter), both to reduce the risk of infection and to lower the chance of transmission to others if sick. It was considered really bad form to cough or have nasal drainage without a mask on.

    The government strongly encouraged such a behavior and the social norms (voluntarily) enforced it. We did the same in my family. It was not fun wearing a mask from anywhere from 3-4 days to 2 weeks, but I did it when I was sick or was around others who seem to be. I also saw many other people do it (though by no means everyone), none of which struck me as strange or alarming. The masks were almost uniformly white like these:

    I don’t think it was all that different in the U.S. in the bygone days, which was why I wrote this comment: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/oxygen-is-a-human-right/#comment-4306832

    About the whole mask situation… To me, the politicization of the mask-wearing is an indication that the traditional American civic norms have eroded badly. In a better America, the federal government would never legally impose such a broad mandate, yet Americans would – out of common decency and concern for their fellow citizens – voluntarily wear masks amidst a pandemic. What we have today is the opposite.

    • Thanks: res
  110. @Reg Cæsar
    @Cloudbuster


    The oldest Boomers were just 28 when the last US troops left Vietnam.

     

    The voting age was 21 in 46 states, and 18 in only two. In those 46, no "boomer" could vote until November of 1967. Never mind Vietnam, that was too late to have had an influence on Roe.

    Vietnam was a stupid war, but the American people at the time were victims of a political and media monoculture that fed them lies first about patriotism...
     
    [Insert foreign was here] was a stupid war, but the American people at the time were victims of a political and media monoculture that fed them lies first about patriotism...

    1812, 1861, Spanish-American, WWI, WWII, Korea...

    (No guff about Pearl Harbor. The Lend-Lease Act and the oil embargo were our true entry into that war. Our "neutrality" by then had as much integrity as the recent election.)

    To criticize Boomer men on either side, for or against the war, is like criticizing a child for being abused by his parent.
     
    Not to be Freudian about this, but one can easily read some unhealthy parent-child issues into these critics' arguments. Remember, "generations" weren't even given names until the '80s or later. Plenty of talk about a "baby boom", but no labeling yet. It was a phenomenon, not a cohort.

    Those who cling to questionable generational labeling are the slaves of some defunct market researcher. (Some defunct boomer market researcher!) Followed by an army of lazy "journalists".

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Those who cling to questionable generational labeling are the slaves of some defunct market researcher.

    Hey, didn’t you get the memo? You aren’t supposed to talk about Steve Sailer that way.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Steve is far from defunct!



    John Huston, when asked the secret of his long life:

    “Surgery!”

  111. @Reg Cæsar
    @Clyde


    During slavery era they did plus more than covered costs.
     
    That's counterintuitive, to say the least.

    If you need slavery and the threat of torture to get a day's work out of people, well, you have very low-quality people. Who by definition don't belong here.

    Especially after famine made hundreds of thousands of hungry Micks available for the taking.

    Replies: @Clyde

    I have zero Irish blood but I like Micks in the USA. If I had the money I would visit Ireland and drink fresh from the tap Guinness every day in every way. But I have nations on me visit list ahead of Ireland. Korea, Japan and certain East European ones. Someone needs to float me a million dollar loan.
    Shenzhen China but only if I am given a solid guide to the good restaurants. I would visit the hi-tech bazars there that I have seen on you tube

  112. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar


    Those who cling to questionable generational labeling are the slaves of some defunct market researcher.
     
    Hey, didn't you get the memo? You aren't supposed to talk about Steve Sailer that way.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Steve is far from defunct!

    John Huston, when asked the secret of his long life:

    “Surgery!”

  113. @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    USA, Canada, European countries, China, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea – legal abortion countries
     
    Abortion is illegal in South Korea though it is reputedly poorly enforced. Likewise, abortion is illegal in most cases in Japan though exceptions to the ban are said to be exploited widely.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Abortion is illegal in South Korea though it is reputedly poorly enforced.

    The same was true for Puerto Rico sixty years ago. One difference is that North American debutantes aren’t flying to Seoul these days.

  114. @Vergissmeinnicht
    Funny meme, but dumb.

    Bio-ethical pro-choice arguments are about the embryo, the foetus (etc.), not being a PERSON – and no, sophists, being a 'person' and being 'human' are DIFFERENT things.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Dumbo, @Audacious Epigone

    There is no mention of “person” or “human”, only of a “body”. It’s more finely crafted than you’re giving it credit for.

  115. @dfordoom

    One way to understand the current panicdemic is as a farewell middle finger from Boomers+ to younger generations.
     
    Another way to understand it is as an example of the crybaby younger generations doing what they do best - crying when they don't get what they want.

    When Boomers thought they were treated unfairly (such as being drafted to fight a stupid evil war in Vietnam) they got off their asses and did something about it. They took to the streets, and risked being beaten up by the police.

    The only members of the crybaby younger generations getting off their asses and doing something is the antifa loons. They're stupid and crazy and evil but at least they're doing more than sitting in the corner sobbing about how unfair it all is and how mean the Boomers have been to them.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Getaclue, @Pop Warner, @anon, @fnn

    The only members of the crybaby younger generations getting off their asses and doing something is the antifa loons. They’re stupid and crazy and evil but at least they’re doing more than sitting in the corner sobbing about how unfair it all is and how mean the Boomers have been to them.

    Antifa is an arm of the Deep State/Permanent Govt . DOJ has shown an extreme lack of interest in prosecuting them and FBI follows the Democrat line that they are “just an idea.” Local jurisdictions where they are active are controlled by Democrats who tell the local cops to handle them with kid gloves.

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