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DanHessinMD on the Covid catastrophe:

A major problem has been that the powers that be have massively distorted reality on the dangers of COVID and have literally censored anything that went against the panic narrative.

Early in the pandemic, sincere scientists and doctors made videos advocating against lockdown and saw their content banned. It was only the BLM street activism that broke the stranglehold of lockdown thinking, because suddenly gathering in large groups was fine.

Nobody dares publicly take the view that COVID is not so bad. Big tech actually invented a new ban category in 2020, “false” medical information as per the judgment of the blue-haired women’s studies majors at Twitter, Google and Facebook’s “Trust and Safety” teams whose medical competency is nil. Much of this new power was used against those who wanted to resist the panic.

The public has been completely failed by those who would guide public thinking. Florida has been open normally for most of the year while New York has been on lockdown for most of the year. Masks are not required in Florida and schools are open. The opposite is true in New York. Florida has a larger and older population than New York. Yet Florida has had 1/2 a many COVID deaths as New York.

How many people even know this? If you follow mainstream media you would think that Florida has had far worse outcomes that New York but instead Florida’s outcomes have been far better, while having virtually no restrictions. Can the public be blamed for giving up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety when they aren’t even allowed to know the truth?

The most obvious remedy for respiratory infections, humidifying living spaces in winter, has gotten virtually no traction. A curious person could learn about the respiratory system and figure out within days that moist air is of paramount importance. No matter how low your opinion of our thought leaders, it should be lower still.

Our intellectual overlords are profoundly intellectually incompetent. Their minds do not specialize in truth but in enforcing conformity.

The Unz Review is still banned on Facebook–even links attempted to be shared in private messages–on account of having allegedly spread misinformation about the pandemic, despite UR hosting Anatoly Karlin, one of the first people in the English-speaking world to sound the alarm on the virus. It has become a handy pretense for silencing dissent.

New York vs Florida over here, Italy vs Sweden over there. It’s an exercise in futility to try and tell by looking at graphs of cases, hospitalizations, or deaths over time of states and countries when various mandates, restrictions, and lockdown orders were issued. China rolled out a response tighter than the US could’ve managed even if it had the will to. And that’s why China nipped the problem in the bud while the US flailed around incompetently–except Japan didn’t do much of anything and fared far better than many other countries that locked down hard did, including several states in the US.

Meanwhile, for healthy non-geriatrics without co-morbidities, Covid isn’t even “just the flu, bro”, it’s less than that. Despite never being at risk from the disease, they’ve effectively had a year of living life taken from them.

Jay Fink on Ron Paul’s revenge:

The gap [between the top 1% and the bottom 90%] increased when Obama was President as much as anytime. The neolibs/Democrat establishment favor policies that lead to this gap as much as anyone.

What makes things worse is the left blames the wealth gap on “tax cuts for the rich”. In reality this is a trivial reason. It’s Wall Street bailouts, QE [ie the Federal Reserve] and other stimulus that cause the gap.

Mainstream Democrats strongly favor this and will destroy anyone who tries to get in the way.

Taxation, euphemistically referred to as government revenue, and government expenditures need not have anything to do with one another. In fiscal 2020, which ran through the end of October 2020, the government conjured more money out of thin air than it taxed from the citizenry. That isn’t an aberration. It’s going to happen again in 2021. States and municipalities are underwater all over the country and the TreasureFed is going to bail all of them out. It will be the norm until the dollar breaks.

Twinkie truth#389:

Men pursue beauty and women pursue status.

A simple thought experiment will confirm this. Think of the person you find most attractive in the world. Removing spousal and family commitments from the equation, if you could either spend one night with that person either in a private hotel room away from prying eyes or out and about rubbing elbows with celebrities in Hollywood or Manhattan but never alone together, what would you choose to do? Men will overwhelmingly choose the private hotel room; women the conspicuous night on the town.

Boomer follyofwar on the youngins embrace of the carapace:

As a retired boomer, I feel very sad that this Covid hysteria is “destroying the lives of Zoomers and Millenials.” But, from what I’ve observed, as a group, they object to these lockdowns less than my generation. Many are so afraid of the virus that they shop at home for groceries. And they willingly wear masks more than boomers. I’ve seen many wearing masks while riding their bikes. Such is the power of propaganda, which has destroyed their free will. There was so much more freedom when we boomers were young. We grew up in a different world.

With the bars shut down, as well as most social gatherings, how many college students, living under enforced dictatorships, are even dating when they can’t see the opposite sex faces? Parents should not pay for their kid’s college ‘mis-educations’ if they are staying home in their pajamas taking classes remotely. Better to work at Walmart. I predict a Baby Bust in 2021.

Indeed, boomers appear to be twice as resistant to the restrictions as zoomers are. From the latest YouGov survey, the percentages of respondents by age cohort who perceive a federal mask mandate as “a violation of your civil liberties”:

Aged 18-29: 22%
Aged 30-44: 35%
Aged 45-64: 33%
Aged 65+: 43%

 
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  1. Think of the person you find most attractive in the world. … if you could either spend one night with that person either in a private hotel room away from prying eyes or out and about rubbing elbows with celebrities in Hollywood or Manhattan but never alone together, what would you choose to do?

    I’d pick doing that woman in public someplace where everyone could see us, but that’s just me.

    Thank you, A.E. for a great selection of very pointed points. The world is stupid, so let’s just conclude that and call it a night.

  2. Public transport use and population density is lower in Florida than NY.

    • Replies: @unit472
    , @Joe Paluka
  3. Rosie says:

    Men pursue beauty and women pursue status.

    A simple thought experiment will confirm this. Think of the person you find most attractive in the world. Removing spousal and family commitments from the equation, if you could either spend one night with that person either in a private hotel room away from prying eyes or out and about rubbing elbows with celebrities in Hollywood or Manhattan but never alone together, what would you choose to do? Men will overwhelmingly choose the private hotel room; women the conspicuous night on the town.

    Well, who the heck needs data when you have Audi’s thought experiments?

    Anyway, here in the world, this observation is oversimplified almost (but not quite) to the point of being false. (I don’t think Twinkie would disagree.) The truth of the matter is that men pursue beauty, and women look at the whole package. Even then, a minimum level of physical attractiveness is a requirement for women, their mothers, and their fathers, but in any case physical appearance is most important to the bride-to-be herself, for obvious reasons. Moreover, I don’t think it’s true that men only care about beauty, either. For a one-night stand as in the thought experiment, yes, but not for a marriage partner. I can’t imagine Mr. Rosie living with some ditzy broad for 50 years. I am reasonably confident that he would go nuts.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-019-00195-z

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0092-x

    Mormon fundamentalists have to kick teenage boys out on the streets for a reason: because the DOMs who run things cannot compete with them, their status notwithstanding.

    https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=851753&page=1

    Old men tell themselves that women like RUDs (royal ugly dudes) because they want it to be so, not because it is so.

  4. A simple thought experiment will confirm this. Think of the person you find most attractive in the world. Removing spousal and family commitments from the equation, if you could either spend one night with that person either in a private hotel room away from prying eyes or out and about rubbing elbows with celebrities in Hollywood o

    I’m going to pick B.

    I would take the chance to elbow a celebrity in the throat over sex with some random woman.

    I am attracted to my wife and don’t sit around fantasizing about other women.

  5. Moreover, I don’t think it’s true that men only care about beauty, either. For a one-night stand as in the thought experiment, yes, but not for a marriage partner. I can’t imagine Mr. Rosie living with some ditzy broad for 50 years. I am reasonably confident that he would go nuts.

    This is exactly it.

    Men that prefer beauty only think that they do.

    All it takes is one attractive but annoying date. Not even a girlfriend, just a date. I’ve gone nuts over a single weekend.

    The poor bastards are the ones that marry the first pretty girl that talks to them. I have seen that situation. Some guy gets his PhD or 6 figure salary and marries the first woman that bats her eyes at him. Bad, very bad idea.

    I am sorry to say that women are wiser about total package. Too many men just go for looks and then later realize that marriage actually means living with that person 24/7.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Wency
  6. Jay Fink says:
    @Rosie

    “Moreover, I don’t think it’s true that men only care about beauty, either. For a one-night stand as in the thought experiment, yes, but not for a marriage”

    I think it’s the oppposite. Men have their lowest beauty requirements for one night stands, especially after a few drinks. They will be more picky on looks for relationships.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Marty
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  7. iffen says:

    Aaaannddddd she’s off!

  8. Such is the power of propaganda, which has destroyed their free will… Better to work at Walmart. I predict a Baby Bust in 2021.

    We need no sterilizing vaccine when reproductive-age Zoomers shun all kinds of contact, including romantic ones. Technofeudalism and a Baby Bust up to 2030!

    Zoomers are in the state of assisted sociocide by propaganda and socialized coercion. Much of the developed world in the pocket of globalists have no future indeed. Save as much as the non-Zoomer youngsters, the homeschooled or deschooled, de-propagandized bunch, as we can, and hope that more of the Zoomers snap out of their torpor.

    Or else, pray for the Second Coming to be sped up since we’re already seeing the signs of the End Times.

  9. unit472 says:
    @jimmyriddle

    That’s true but on the other hand New York City’s average age is much lower than say Sarasota or Palm Beach County. Interestingly enough it has been Miami-Dade county that has disproportionately accounted for Florda’s Covid cases. They account for about 12-13% of the state population but were making up 25% of the cases until recently and still account for 20%. Farmworkers also got infected at very high rates and as both Miami and farmworkers are heavily Hispanic and tend to be younger than the rest of the state their high infection rates are of concern. Bet its the same in New York and California.

    Still most people wear masks when they go to the store and if Governor DeSantis has not mandated it some towns and stores have. A light government touch is probably preferable as most people are sensible and 75 year old retirees are not going to be reckless with their health. The stupidest thing I’ve come across was when some Covid zealots, early in the epidemic, closed the public boat launches in Manatee County for a time out of fear that zipping across the water in an open power boat was ‘risky’ behavior but only for people who did not have a private boat slip.

  10. Rosie says:
    @Jay Fink

    I think it’s the oppposite. Men have their lowest beauty requirements for one night stands, especially after a few drinks. They will be more picky on looks for relationships.

    Right, but I think they’ll also be more picky about other things.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Jay Fink
  11. Aidan Kehoe says: • Website

    Men should be picky about things they usually ignore. A marriage is, in effect, a small business, and the things you would want in someone you would go into business with—dependability, good work ethic, careful about their finances, solid mental health—are hugely important for a successful marriage. If men in general required a certain level of all of those things from women before proposing, the institution of marriage would die out.

    To their credit, women are more likely to take those things into account than are men, but it’s not the be-all and end-all for them either.

  12. @jimmyriddle

    Covid affects non-whites more than whites and Florida is 75% white and New York City is only 35% white.

  13. polistra says:

    On boomers vs millenials: Boomers were around in 1957 and got REALLY sick with the REAL flu epidemic, when EVERYONE was sick. We also remember the polio vaccine and smallpox vaccinations. We learned by EXPERIENCE how viruses work, and we also learned it in school. We know what a REAL epidemic is like, and we also know that we still have immunity to flu-type viruses from the REAL epidemic. Most of us weren’t fooled by this FAKE epidemic.

    In this FAKE epidemic, the only people who are allegedly “sick” from this “virus” are people who are already dying of other causes. Relabeling of an existing death is extremely convenient.

  14. Arclight says:

    Part of the problem with the US is that as a country, we are fat slobs with an array of obesity-related health conditions that apparently make covid a lot more dangerous/difficult to get over than virtually any place in Asia, plus a relatively senior-heavy population (like Europe). Over a quarter of young people couldn’t serve in the military because they are too fat. That’s insane.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Rosie
  15. And that’s why China nipped the problem in the bud ….

    China claimed they nipped the problem in the bud.

    ‘Nuff said.

    …government conjured more money out of thin air than it taxed from the citizenry. That isn’t an aberration. It’s going to happen again in 2021.

    And they will do it right up to the point their money buys nothing. Long Gold, but if you don’t hold it, you don’t own it.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @Eugene Norman
    , @dfordoom
  16. Andrei says:

    Beauty correlates strongly with every other desirable trait: good health, good character, good genes, good nutrition, high IQ. Men don’t prove themselves more shallow by seeking beauty, they prove themselves more profound by doing so.

    Men are less self-interested when it comes to picking partners than women. A beautiful woman doesn’t make a man’s life any easier (in fact he will face more competition for keeping the woman) , but it ensures his offspring will be of better quality.

    Women , on the other hand, aren’t so much interested in man’s intrinsic worth, but more in what they get for themselves by being with him: good sex, material comfort, status etc.

    The selection that men make between women is much better qualitatively than the reverse. It’s also why patriarchal societies like we used to have were more eugenic and had higer fertility than matriarchal societies like we have now, where women choose the men they want to breed with.

  17. @Rosie

    Anyway, here in the world, this observation is oversimplified almost (but not quite) to the point of being false. (I don’t think Twinkie would disagree.) The truth of the matter is that men pursue beauty, and women look at the whole package.

    Gentlemen of a certain age would know the real subtext of the question, “Ginger or Mary Ann?” That is the more relevant thought experiment.

    RIP Dawn Wells.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  18. JR Ewing says:

    Many are so afraid of the virus that they shop at home for groceries.

    —————

    I’m a 47 year old Gen-X’er and I have to say, I’ve discovered the joys of curbside shopping during this whole ordeal. Not because I’m scared but because I refuse to wear a mask and most places – not all, but most – will hassle you about it if you walk in without one. So I just find what I want online and let someone else push the cart around the store picking it out. Then all I have to do is drive up in my car. And since the workers are scared that I’m guilty contagious, they’ll load my car for me too and insist I stay in the drivers seat. I see that as a win. And I pay the same price that the masked sheep going inside do.

    The last time I was I a big box store was in June right before the mask mandate went into effect. There were still plenty of scaredy cats in there wearing masks anyway and that made the atmosphere uncomfortably oppressive, so I don’t miss going into those places anymore.

    But it’s not normal and it’s not healthy and it’s got to end some day.

  19. @The Alarmist

    China did nip the problem in the bud. As any report from Wuhan will show.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  20. @JR Ewing

    So, you’ll let a stranger of unknown health status and unknown hygiene habits do the quality control and packing of goods you bring into your home? I realise pretty much everything one buys has been touched by another human at some point in the supply chain, but this seems like the most likely point where contamination would occur. Besides, walking the aisles of the stores is probably good exercise most of us could use.

    No, it doesn’t have to end. At some point, when your money is worthless, you’ll be glad for whatever gruel TPTB will bring to your door, assuming you haven’t been marched into the fields to “pay” for your sustenance with labour.

    WEF Vision 2030 (Great Reset): You will own nothing, you will rent what you need or it will be provided to you, and you will be happy … or else.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  21. @The Alarmist

    So, you’ll let a stranger of unknown health status and unknown hygiene habits do the quality control and packing of goods you bring into your home? I realize pretty much everything one buys has been touched by another human at some point in the supply chain, but this seems like the most likely point where contamination would occur.

    People aren’t getting it from grocery food. It just isn’t happening.

    You are far more likely to get it from standing in line. You need a pretty good dose from the air to get infected.

    If you are really paranoid then don’t open your food for 24 hours.

  22. @Arclight

    Part of the problem with the US is that as a country, we are fat slobs with an array of obesity-related health conditions that apparently make covid a lot more dangerous/difficult to get over than virtually any place in Asia, plus a relatively senior-heavy population (like Europe).

    Fat slobs that take unneeded risks.

    I stopped at my local gun store and there were three guys inside yapping it up without masks. This is a small gun store and they wouldn’t just buy their ammo and leave because I guess they needed to talk about guns with random strangers.

    My wife works with the public and had a guy lie about having a fever. When asked why he didn’t mention that on the questionnaire his response was that he didn’t see why they would care.

    Anyone that thinks Biden will somehow fix all of this is completely deluded and isolated from the public. California has a Dem supermajority and they have one of the worst rates. LA is out of control.

    Only the vaccine (Which Trump pushed) will change anything.

  23. Covid is the Sandy Hook of pandemics. Agree with us, or face the consequences.

    I’m not sure why Unz would be banned over Covid skepticism, since 3 of its biggest names — Sailer, Karlin and the blogmaster himself — have fully embraced the narrative since day one. I’m old enough to remember when Ron said we’d likely have 2 million deaths.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  24. Indeed, boomers appear to be twice as resistant to the restrictions as zoomers are.

    We Boomers enjoyed extraordinary levels of liberty, freedom, and material well-being. Until recently I agonized that these have been gradually stolen from our children until none will be left for our posterity. I no longer care since it seems that a majority of the newer generations are aiding and abetting those who are robbing them of what was once their birthright.

    OK, Gen-Xer! OK, Gen-Yer! OK, Zoomer! OK, Millennial!

    It’s your world. Welcome to it!

  25. nebulafox says:

    >Think of the person you find most attractive in the world. … if you could either spend one night with that person either in a private hotel room away from prying eyes or out and about rubbing elbows with celebrities in Hollywood or Manhattan but never alone together, what would you choose to do?

    Neither. We’d find a nice campsite under a starry “Iliad XIII-style” sky on the beach, get roaring drunk, and collapse laughing in each other’s arms.

  26. nebulafox says:
    @John Johnson

    >Some guy gets his PhD or 6 figure salary and marries the first woman that bats her eyes at him. Bad, very bad idea.

    For some guys, the woman doesn’t even need to be pretty.

  27. @JR Ewing

    Curbside pickup, just like Amazon delivery and Door Dash and Uber and all these other gig-type services, are of course net money losers in terms of the energy and resources expended in their production—which would matter if we were really accounting for costs properly, but doesn’t when companies are just riding the tide of rising asset prices and do not care about core operations.

    It’s not as if “convenience” is a new concept. For as long as there has been civilization there have been markets, and wherever there are markets there have been delivery boys. Amazon did not invent anything new here. But there is a reason why centralized marketplaces exist: Wholesalers need regular clients to sell to, and the markets provide a service to the final consumer by transporting the goods and making them regularly available. It is extremely inefficient to deliver everything door to door; the ease of one-click ordering does not change the logistics of the operation. If you really must have something delivered, it is necessary to either pay the freight or use slave labor that does not receive an economic return. I think we all know which option Jeff Bezos is pursuing.

  28. Rosie says:
    @Arclight

    Part of the problem with the US is that as a country, we are fat slobs with an array of obesity-related health conditions that apparently make covid a lot more dangerous/difficult to get over than virtually any place in Asia

    The Chinese are catching up.

    Unless they are more genetically resistant to obesity than Europeans, it is inevitable.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-10-28/obesity-rates-in-china-have-tripled-over-the-past-10-years

    • Replies: @Arclight
  29. I once sat in a work meeting as the only male in the room, with six female psychologists. Pre-meeting banter turned to The Sopranos, then running, and to Tony Soprano. One female, a mature married woman, expressed how sexy she found him. And the other five immediately agreed. Heartily.

    I told them I was astonished. But he’s not handsome, he’s grossly overweight, he sweats a lot and he’s a bully.

    The original female almost glowed when she replied to me, “But the power!”

    Case closed.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @Rosie
  30. @John Johnson

    When three men talking with each other is an “unneeded risk” you are living in a world of girlish terror.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  31. Anon[373] • Disclaimer says:

    You cant get enough Vitamin D if you dont go outside. Healthy D levels have been shown to help people survive the virus. New York locked people down indoors, Florida did not.

  32. @Cloudbuster

    When three men talking with each other is an “unneeded risk” you are living in a world of girlish terror.

    My neighbor had the same attitude and ended up in the hospital.

    It’s a really bad idea to make random conversation with 3 men at a small gun store with poor ventilation during a pandemic.

    If anything is girly it is having an emotional need to chatter with random people in the middle of the day instead of getting your business done.

    But thanks for showing why the Asians are kicking our assess at this. You think it is weak or girly to not inhale the breath of random strangers in a pandemic. Ok you tell yourself that. Trump also downplayed the virus and now we get a DC globalist with an anti-White leftist waiting in the wings. Anti-rationalism has really worked out.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    , @Talha
  33. @John Johnson

    My neighbor had the same attitude and ended up in the hospital.

    Well, gosh, that settles it!

    Or not. I’ll raise you 100 neighbors with that attitude who haven’t ended up in the hospital.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    , @John Johnson
  34. JR Ewing says:
    @Cloudbuster

    He also mentioned they weren’t wearing masks…. THE TERROR!

    How has society made it 10,000 years until now without masks? How humans even alive now? We must have been lucky to avoid all of those scary respiratory viruses. Only the providence of God has saved us.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
  35. @Eugene Norman

    They had no difficulty in nipping it in the bud, once they figured out is wasn`t biological warfare attack by the US, only bad seasonal flu. The CDC admitted last June that there is no COVID19 virus isolated.

  36. @John Johnson

    Only the vaccine (Which Trump pushed) will change anything.

    If it changes anything, you can bet it won`t be for the better.

    • Agree: Adam Smith, Jay Fink
  37. the baby bust is already here in Korea.

    South Korean population shrinks amid declining birthrate

    SK shrank in absolute terms last year by 20,000 people. SK has the lowest birth rate in the world.

    a problem i’d be glad to help them with. what, i can’t recycle old jokes about Japan’s population problem?

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @nebulafox
  38. @Cloudbuster

    Well, gosh, that settles it!

    Or not. I’ll raise you 100 neighbors with that attitude who haven’t ended up in the hospital.

    Yea I have about 16 neighbors that did not end up in the hospital.

    Not sure what your point is.

    Maybe we should tell people to not bother with condoms because odds are they won’t get aids.

    The “just a cold” virus is now filling up hospital waiting areas again. Ambulances in LA are being rerouted. Maybe you should drive to LA and tell people waiting in parking lots with serious injuries that it is nothing to worry about. Actually you should make a video of it to show the world how manly you are in your rejection of reality.

    Contact tracing is showing that most of the influx is from family gatherings. I guess most Americans are too weak to say no to relatives for a single year. Bunch of girly men if you ask me.

    But thanks a bunch for President Harris. Anti-rational Trump tribalism let Biden win and now we get kneepads Harris on top of it. One of the worst politicians in California is going to be President.

    Thanks a lot. Downplaying the whole thing really worked. Can’t wait to see what that wench has in store for us.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  39. Talha says:
    @John Johnson

    I don’t really pay a lot of attention to the media when it comes to this stuff, but I do keep up with my friends that are doctors, many of them ER doctors. These are guys I have known longer than I have been married, I would trust them with my children’s lives – at least one of them has been my kids’ pediatrician before. They are mostly in So Cal where things are particularly bad.

    A few things they have told me and from what I have heard directly from relatives and friends…

    1. One of them usually fills out 1 or 2 death certificates a month – he is on pace to fill out around 20 this month.
    2. One of them said that the hospital he works at was not built to deliver the level of oxygen that they are providing to their patients. They are making sure oxygen trucks are on stand by in case the system is tasked beyond the breaking point.
    3. My sister in law’s aunt died last week of Covid.
    4. That week they held 7 separate funeral prayers (outside) on just one day (most from Covid) – I confirmed this with my mother – I’ve never heard of anything like this, even if you assume all deaths are being attributed falsely to Covid.
    5. In my local mosque in Chicago-area, I hear of requests for prayers for deaths due to Covid on a near-weekly basis. It’s not as bad as So Cal, but there is an uptick in deaths for sure (again, whether they are truly due to Covid or are just being attributed).
    6. A brother who is a neurologist that I have known since university and who I consulted about my own father when he was in a unresponsive state after cardiac arrest stated:
    “Even for my field as a Neurologist, I have never consulted on as many COVID patients for Coma/Brain Death prognosis in one week as for influenza in the last >10 years.”
    7. Another brother said that it’s like a war zone with patients laying out in the hallways, like something out of the movies.

    Do with the above info what you will.

    I would suggest people get their information from people they know and trust in the medical field; this issue is way too politicized at this point to rely on media sources.

    Peace.

  40. @John Johnson

    And all that in a state with draconian lockdowns, mask mandates and social distancing. Unpossible!

    Yet Florida and Georgia are open and not seeing the same case and death levels.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  41. Arclight says:
    @Rosie

    Sad that the primary cultural legacy of the US in the 21st century will be rampant obesity and wokeness.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @for-the-record
  42. BCB232 says:

    Women, like men, vary as to where they are on the r/K-strategist spectrum. This variation is probably the result of biology and upbringing. r/K influences what they look for in men (looks/masculinity, signs of long-term commitment, resources/social status). They want the total package but vary on what the emphasize in their trade space. Age also influences their tradespace.

    Men are generally simpler, preferring the most attractive woman they can get that isn’t too much of a difficult pain in the ass (agreeableness). Some men (particularly the more r-strategist types) will trade agreeableness for beauty because they are short term strategists with the ability and/or willingness to seek other opportunities if she becomes too much of a pain in the ass. r-strategist men are often more dominant socially and better able to deal with a difficult woman as well.

  43. botazefa says:
    @Talha

    I would suggest people get their information from people they know and trust in the medical field; this issue is way too politicized at this point to rely on media sources

    Talha – what you are describing, anecdotal evidence from personal friends of yours – I’m skeptical of their own confirmation biases.

    But let’s assume I take your friends’ words at face value. From your friends’ stories, should we conclude that either

    a) SARS CoV2 is a particularly infectious and deadly virus that requires limitations on first amendment civil liberties…

    or,

    b) The health care system in the US is highly localized/regionalized, with many local providers not being capable of dealing with a modestly dangerous viral outbreak.

    Maybe CA and NY healthcare systems just aren’t that good and have whiney workforces that leverage every chaotic event as a vehicle for enriching their constituency.

    If a) is being caused by b), then it makes more sense to direct emergency orders at hospitals – staffing guidelines (union busting), accelerated training, elective surgery policy, PPE sharing, etc.

    Same logic applies to public schools.

    • Replies: @Talha
  44. Talha says:
    @botazefa

    Draw whatever conclusions you deem fit. My point is that you should get your information from sources that are trustworthy. Don’t trust me, you don’t know me. Toss whatever I said out the window if you like. And keep in mind, I was not drawing any conclusions about what the right policy is to deal with the matter.

    Find doctors **in your locale** that you trust to get your information from, because ultimately it doesn’t matter what is happening in Alaska or Hawaii or Florida if you are in Michigan. Your situation may be completely different from someone across the country.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  45. Not necessarily. Some women, like some men, pursue someone they can stand.

  46. Rosie says:
    @Arclight

    Sad that the primary cultural legacy of the US in the 21st century will be rampant obesity and wokeness.

    I wonder if there has ever been a prosperous society that wasn’t fat. The ancient AFAIK had a strong culture of physical fitness. The problem, as I see it, is that we have all the food we can eat, but little leisure time for exercise. The 40 hour workweek has remained the standard despite productivity increases. That shouldn’t be. If you work a sedentary job, with a long commute, for 40 hours a week, you are going to struggle. That doesn’t leave enough time for dinner, homework, self-care and a workout. It’s just not doable for most people.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Jay Fink
  47. Rosie says:
    @Dr ExCathedra

    I told them I was astonished. But he’s not handsome, he’s grossly overweight, he sweats a lot and he’s a bully.

    The original female almost glowed when she replied to me, “But the power!”

    Lol, yes I’m sure that totally happened, or at least it was real in your mind.

  48. Wency says:
    @John Johnson

    In my experience it’s not actually pretty girls that tend to do these guys in, it’s geeky girls. I personally know four divorces in my immediate peer/friend group, and three of them were a result of geeky guys ending up with a geeky girl (the other was a result of marrying at 18, and he bounced back strong).

    A lot of guys with geeky hobbies seem to be drawn to the idea of a woman who is into the same stuff, encouraged no doubt by geeky media that suggests that the appeal of these hobbies is basically equal between the two sexes and it’s just that the women are hiding or suppressed by society.

    But then it turns out every time that if a woman seems to be into geeky stuff and possesses any feminine charm whatsoever, she’s mostly into that stuff for the male attention it brings from being the prettiest girl in the room (achievable even if she’s a 4 or 5). She won’t be nearly as fun to play video games with as your guy friends, but her desire for male attention will eventually be the doom of your marriage. Not to mention she’ll be super plugged into media and its values.

    My advice to these men is to focus on women who are just quirky enough that they can keep a lid on the judgmentalism towards your geeky hobbies, but who are mostly into normal woman crap and hang out with other women, not men.

  49. anon[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Men pursue beauty, women pursue status

    …and bloggers pursue clicks.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  50. neutral says:
    @prime noticer

    It worse than just the birth rate, because South Korea is a US puppet (so a ZOG state) they will inevitably be overrun with foreigners. It begs the question what North Korea would do if South Korea increasingly has less Koreans living in it, would they even want to unify (if they could somehow) with such a land?

  51. nebulafox says:

    BTW, AE, new joke:

    “Virgin Cuomo vs. Chad Israeli pizza delivery guy.”

  52. nebulafox says:
    @Wency

    What ends up happening in the hard sciences is that a lot of guys gravitate toward women doing stuff in biological and chemical research, because of demographics. And don’t believe for a second they tend to be mediocre looking…

    One thing that is very different about the 21st Century is the notion that a husband and wife share common interests: that doesn’t seem to be true for previous generations. To use a personal example, my deeply introverted, retiring, Boy Scout earnest hard STEM grandfather and my deeply extroverted, tenacious, fiery, antebellum European educated grandmother contrasted sharply in many ways, down to religious differences for most of their lives. They shared personal values, to be sure, but near as I can tell, they shared no interests or hobbies along with their divergent personalities. Yet they had an extremely successful marriage that lasted over 60 years. They unconditionally loved each other to the extent that when one died, the other visibly didn’t want to stay around for long-and didn’t. Probably a huge part of that was not just tolerating the differences of the other, but embracing them. This involves a certain degree of trust and hands-offness that is anathema to the helicopter ethos.

    I’m not saying this change is all bad, but this emphasis that you need to share common interests, common personality traits, common everything with your partner has probably led to people dismissing at first glance what might turn out to be a great spouse if they were willing to put in the work.

  53. Rosie says:
    @Wency

    she’s mostly into that stuff for the male attention it brings from being the prettiest girl in the room

    A$$holes like Wency just can’t stand the thought of men and women being friends.

    One of these MCPs made an a$$ of u and me himself on tiktok the other day and got unceremoniously slapped down by some grrrrl power.

  54. nebulafox says:
    @prime noticer

    It’s a region-wide problem, the PRC included. Near as I can recall, globally, the only developed nation that has avoided the birthrate collapse issue are Israel and the Gulf Arab nations, due partially to religious factors not replicable elsewhere. In countries like Turkey, moreover, you can see a very clear gap in birthrate between the European-level coasts and the Middle East-level Anatolian hinterland.

    I still think the Singaporean Chinese are lower than the South Koreans, BTW. I can’t confirm that, because Singapore’s government is tetchy about anything demographics related, but the PAP is not at all shy about pressuring and offering goodies to up the birth rate: we’re talking about the same people who set up a marriage bureau a few decades ago to make sure university graduate women procreated. They still haven’t succeeded. It’s really quite something to see in a nation where the 50, 60-somethings often grew up in families with 8, 10, 12 children. Again: secularization is a huge part in this. A lot of those big Chinese families tended to be Christian, and the most fertile demographic in modern Singapore (still below replacement rate, but only just) is the most religious one in the Malays.

    Granted, it doesn’t help that the mass immigration from the PRC pursued as an emergency measure to keep Singapore Han dominated has the effect of keeping wages down and driving startup costs up. Family formation costs money, after all. But that’s not the whole story. I think a huge part of this is simply the reality that for most pre-moderns, having a family was the highlight of your life: it was a welcome break from the tedium. Not so for today’s educated, who have options beyond anybody’s imagination… but also must spend a lot more time achieving them in their 20s.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  55. Rosie says:
    @nebulafox

    It’s a region-wide problem, the PRC included. Near as I can recall, globally, the only developed nation that has avoided the birthrate collapse issue are Israel and the Gulf Arab nations, due partially to religious factors not replicable elsewhere.

    Jewish women have babies because they have ethnic pride, like we used to before we were guilted out of it.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  56. Marty says:
    @Jay Fink

    Wait, are you saying attractive women offer themselves for one-night stands? To men not in a band, I mean.

    • LOL: iffen
  57. @Talha

    The Covid-19 pandemic has now become personal for me. I am taken ill with it right now. I caught it from a coworker and the rest of my family caught it from me. So this week I am home sick, and caring for the sick.

    I now understand why people fear this thing. It’s not that it’s particularly dangerous, because it isn’t. Of all the members of my family, I have gotten much more ill than anyone, and yet I’ve had plenty of colds and flus throughout my life that made me quite a bit more miserable than this has. The experience all in all has been rather mild. I never even developed a fever, but I do have recurring night sweats that still continue even now, 8 days after my symptoms started. I have a cough, my lungs are wheezing a little bit, and I get short of breath when I walk up a flight of stairs. Then there was also the lost sense of smell, but that’s starting to return now for me.

    The problem is that the range of symptoms is broad and unusual. I have joint and muscle aches throughout my body and I’ve lost a lot of sensation in my legs. Indeed, I would characterize general presentation of Covid-19 as being a sort of “numbness” that affects multiple tissues, organs, and systems according to their specific nature.

    For one thing, the lost sense of smell is more than merely a sensory deprivation. When I was in the thick of the disease, in order to test myself, I opened up a bottle of white vinegar I use for cleaning the kitchen, stuck my nose directly in the spout, and inhaled deeply and repeatedly—and felt nothing. I wasn’t just that I couldn’t smell the vinegar, but I couldn’t feel it either. The chemical astringency of the acetic acid is a different phenomenon from its aroma and, being a more direct physical action, is not subject to the same epistemological doubts arising from the possibility of hallucination, fatigue or other aberrant states of mind attendant upon a bout of illness. This leads me to conclude that my nose had gone completely numb. Since the coronavirus takes up its primary locus of infection in the nasal mucosa, this is where its characteristic numbness is experienced most frequently and severely. The numbness I have in my legs is a more distal intantiation of the same tendency. I suspect that if the “numbness” grows to encompass the lungs, this is when people lose the ability to breathe on their own and either require ventilation or die. If the disease ever reaches that stage, death is quite likely and there isn’t much that any medical science can do about it.

    This is why people fear it, other than the media scaremongering of course. The disease manifests itself in such a way that death can be brought about simply by an increase in the degree, not a change in kind, of the symptoms. To experience it at all is to taste the incipient death behind it. The fact that this only happens in a vanishingly small proportion of cases avails little to the imagination of so hysterical an age as ours. The contemporary world is now getting acquainted with a disease that, to a very minor and muted degree, approximates the threat of latent lethality that obtained when cities routinely had to endure outbreaks of tuberculosis, small pox, cholera, and so forth.

    People in the West, especially the younger generations, have lost all their cultural memory of such conditions. The mask mandates and lockdowns are all simply the dread of mortality that no longer has an adequate cultural response. This also explains why such measures are so popular among the young despite them being least at risk from anything. It is something shameful, excessive, pathetic, and it needs to stop. A year spent living in fear of such a trivial risk is already more than enough. A progressive return to normalcy—in this and every area—needs to be the watchword of anyone who cares about the state of our society. Anything else is just adding to the problem, QED.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @MBlanc46
    , @anon
  58. Rosie says:
    @nebulafox

    I’m not saying this change is all bad, but this emphasis that you need to share common interests, common personality traits, common everything with your partner has probably led to people dismissing at first glance what might turn out to be a great spouse if they were willing to put in the work.

    Mr Rosie and I had a lot of divergent interests and still do, but there was an underlying sameness that made it work. We’re both high on trait openness and curious by nature. There are some things that I wasn’t interested in before I met him, but am interested in now because of his influence. Mr. Rosie loves movies, and I never had much use for them because I just really didn’t understand them, and frankly didn’t know how to find the good ones. Now I love movies. I think he appreciated that I was interested in exploring new things with him, and if I was faking, I’m sure he would have been able to figure it out.

    I never took an interest in video games, though. He plays with our sons and it’s fine.

  59. nebulafox says:

    Another thing: why is a declining birth rate necessarily a bad thing, within reason? We live in the age of automation, after all. Why have a growing amount of people when the amount of jobs out there are declining, and will continue to decline? Why not just work with the change and not be stupid about how we handle it?

    (And that’s a general point to be made. Somehow, we’ve gotten to the point in America where changing your mind with changing realities has become some admission of moral inferiority rather than the sign of an adult who is able to think critically. There are much worse things in life than being wrong, taking the mea culpa, and realigning your beliefs when you are proven wrong.)

    Most people still want to have kids at some point, despite the drudgery of child-raising. Those who have them for the right reasons won’t trade that for anything, despite all the work: I’ve met parents who wish they never had children at all and parents that wish they had more and parents that were fine with the amount they had, but never met one that wished for less. That’s how embedded the desire to reproduce is in human nature: next to eating, that’s the Darwinian imperative at work. I don’t think anybody needs to worry about that disappearing any time soon! But in the developed world, women don’t want to pop out 6 or 7 kids and have their lives completely dominated by that drudgery, because they don’t live in a medieval village where there’s nothing else to do and can actually have lives of their own now. That’s perfectly, totally understandable.

    I don’t think Japan and South Korea and Taiwan are going to disappear as nations just because they are less crowded 30 years from now. Matter of fact, the birth rate will probably go up, because people will have more time and room and money to have kids in such a scenario. It won’t go up to what it once was, but it doesn’t have to. Heaven forbid that the peons of America have more purchasing power in the wake of demographic decline, though. As Our Betters insistently tell us, we need more people, even if there aren’t going to be as many jobs.

    • Agree: AaronB
  60. The Unz Review is still banned on Facebook–even links attempted to be shared in private messages–on account of having allegedly spread misinformation about the pandemic… It has become a handy pretense for silencing dissent.

    It happened soon after Ron Unz posted his longread about how Corona could have been an American biowarfare attack on China. (FTR, I consider that an extreme long shot, then as now).

    I obviously don’t know if that was the straw that broke the camel’s back, but the timing was certainly interesting, considering that the post in question was – I believe – one of the most widely shared ones in UR’s history.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  61. @Arclight

    Sad that the primary cultural legacy of the US in the 21st century will be rampant obesity and wokeness.

    As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words:

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/jessamyn-1608131316.png?resize=980:*

  62. dfordoom says: • Website
    @The Alarmist

    And that’s why China nipped the problem in the bud ….

    China claimed they nipped the problem in the bud.

    ‘Nuff said.

    More proof that the psychology of the far right is exactly the same as the psychology of SJWs. If there’s evidence that is upsetting because it conflicts with your ideology you just ignore it. The fact that China beat the virus is a hatefact!

    And so the far right retreats more and more into a fantasy world of its own imagining.

  63. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    We Boomers enjoyed extraordinary levels of liberty, freedom, and material well-being. Until recently I agonized that these have been gradually stolen from our children until none will be left for our posterity. I no longer care since it seems that a majority of the newer generations are aiding and abetting those who are robbing them of what was once their birthright.

    Yep. Younger people are going to face a miserable totalitarian future but that’s the future they seem to want.

  64. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosie

    Jewish women have babies because they have ethnic pride, like we used to before we were guilted out of it.

    What’s the fertility rate for Jewish women in the US? And what’s the fertility rate for Jewish women in the US if you exclude Orthodox Jews?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Audacious Epigone
  65. @nebulafox

    Another thing: why is a declining birth rate necessarily a bad thing, within reason?

    The “within reason” is the rub. We have no idea how to control what we’ve started. In Calhoun’s rat Utopia experiments, not a single colony survived once they stopped breeding. They didn’t reach a lower equilibrium and go back to normal rat behavior. They just died out. Every single time.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  66. @dfordoom

    I think it is more likely that factors out of reasonable human control are responsible for radically different continental outcomes from COVID.

    Nobody thinks Sub-Saharan Africa is a model of good hygiene and healthcare efficiency, but they have among the best COVID outcomes in the world so far.

    Asia, the Americas and Europe are different places with radically different biospheres and human populations that differ in important genetic, economic and cultural respects.

    It’s very natural to see a success story that supports your particular narrative or a story that illustrates the failure of things opposed to that narrative and to then attribute the success or failure to that narrative. The truth is usually messier.

  67. dfordoom says: • Website
    @nebulafox

    why is a declining birth rate necessarily a bad thing, within reason?

    I sort of agree. It probably isn’t entirely a bad thing if fertility rates were likely to stabilise round 1.95 or so. A very gradual population decline might not be all bad.

    But we’re seeing goes way beyond this. Places like South Korea and Singapore are not just below replacement level, they’re well below half of replacement level. They’re heading towards maybe one-third of replacement level. That means rapid population collapse. That’s not gradual population decline, that’s a headlong race towards extinction.

    It’s difficult to see how you can have rapid population collapse without complete social, economic and cultural collapse. In desperation those countries will turn to immigration. Which means that in half a century there won’t be anything even slightly Korean about South Korea. South Korea will in fact be gone. An entire culture gone.

    East Asia will no longer be East Asian.

    And there are European countries that are only doing slightly better. Italy and Spain will still exist as political entities half a century from now but there’ll be nothing Italian or Spanish about them.

    Very low fertility means cultural extinction.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  68. @nebulafox

    We live in the age of automation, after all. Why have a growing amount of people when the amount of jobs out there are declining, and will continue to decline?

    Automation is a joke.

    There is no example of automation ever reducing the amount of human labor required to get something done. An automated check stand removes a job from one cashier and gives it to every customer; a robotic arm on a factory floor takes the jobs from a few welders and gives them to several hundred programmers, engineers, and financiers.

    Machines are not labor saving devices. They are Rube Goldberg contraptions that give their inventors a conqueror’s sensation of power and control while transferring wealth from artisans to capitalists—this is the unavoidable doom of our industrial civilization. For as long as there is machine industry, the banks and bourses will be the true rulers of the world.

    The entire premise of modern monetary theory—viz. that productivity is now so accelerated that we no longer need people to exchange their labor in order to acquire its fruits—is an extreme example of the sort of backward thinking that sees machines as the servants of man. In fact, the machine is simply the means by which the financial powers suborn the disinterested contemplativeness of science and enslave the masses, but this fact goes unremarked for reasons of cultural necessity.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Cloudbuster
  69. @for-the-record

    Wow. Is that cover for rill? Is it already in the “news” racks at the grocery stores?

  70. Talha says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    May God grant you and your family a swift recovery. And you make some good points about the resiliency of today’s generation, for which the previous generation is somewhat at fault for pampering them and making them fragile.

    Peace.

    • Thanks: Intelligent Dasein
  71. Jay Fink says:
    @John Johnson

    You are underestimating the risk of obesity and overestimating the risk of talking to random strangers.

  72. Rosie says:
    @dfordoom

    What’s the fertility rate for Jewish women in the US? And what’s the fertility rate for Jewish women in the US if you exclude Orthodox Jews?

    I don’t know, but why do you want to limit the inquiry to US Jews only when we were talking about Israel, a national socialist state that fosters ethnic pride in its citizens?

  73. Rosie says:
    @nebulafox

    . I don’t think anybody needs to worry about that disappearing any time soon! But in the developed world, women don’t want to pop out 6 or 7 kids and have their lives completely dominated by that drudgery, because they don’t live in a medieval village where there’s nothing else to do and can actually have lives of their own now. That’s perfectly, totally understandable.

    As I have tried to explain to these people numerous times, families of that size were never the norm. Women had that many children because many of them died. The four person family is not new. What is new is that women don’t have to have 6 or 7 kids to have two survive into adulthood.

    https://www.classicfm.com/composers/mozart/guides/mozarts-family/

  74. Talha says:

    A-men and A-women…

    Pfffshwahahaha!!!

    Peace.

  75. @Talha

    I would suggest people get their information from people they know and trust in the medical field; this issue is way too politicized at this point to rely on media sources.

    What are you saying? I shouldn’t trust California media sources that simply film waiting rooms?

    I’m not reading third party hearsay. There are plenty of videos online of LA hospitals.

  76. @Talha

    I would suggest people get their information from people they know and trust in the medical field; this issue is way too politicized at this point to rely on media sources.

    What are you saying? I shouldn’t trust California media sources that simply film waiting rooms?

    I’m not reading third party hearsay. There are plenty of videos online of LA hospitals.

    What I have said is easy to verify. I found this in 20 seconds.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    , @Talha
  77. @Rosie

    These are the predominant characteristics men and women tend to be attracted to, respectively. They aren’t the only things, of course.

    Here’s a more concise way to put it. Think of that most attractive person again. You can either sleep with him/her but nobody gets to know about it or the public can think you slept with him/her but you don’t actually get to do it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  78. @Cloudbuster

    And all that in a state with draconian lockdowns, mask mandates and social distancing. Unpossible!

    Yet Florida and Georgia are open and not seeing the same case and death levels.

    Yes the California lockdowns went too far but that doesn’t mean that masks don’t work.

    I already said that they know the recent surge is from family gatherings.

    Mask mandates don’t do much if Americans insist on 30 person thanksgiving dinners.

    Liberals like Newsome are just as bad as anti-maskers. Neither side really wants to take a serious look at how it is being spread.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    , @Cloudbuster
  79. @Andrei

    Women , on the other hand, aren’t so much interested in man’s intrinsic worth, but more in what they get for themselves by being with him: good sex, material comfort, status etc.

    Or more charitably, what they get for their children by being with him.

  80. @nebulafox

    The idea that your spouse should be your “best friend” is a really bad one.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Disagree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Wency
    , @Rosie
  81. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosie

    What’s the fertility rate for Jewish women in the US? And what’s the fertility rate for Jewish women in the US if you exclude Orthodox Jews?

    I don’t know, but why do you want to limit the inquiry to US Jews only when we were talking about Israel, a national socialist state that fosters ethnic pride in its citizens?

    Because you were arguing for ethnic pride as a factor that drive higher fertility. American Jewish women seem to have plenty of ethnic pride. If they also have very low fertility rates then that suggests that ethnic pride does not necessarily drive higher birth rates.

    I don’t think ethnic pride is a major factor because birth rates started to crash in western Europe at a time when western Europeans had lots and lots of ethnic pride.

  82. @dfordoom

    Well below replacement with the exclusion of the Orthodox.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  83. @dfordoom

    It’s also difficult to see how such a population collapse isn’t invariably paired with high immigration from other places. It may not theoretically have to play out like that, but it’s a very good bet that it will.

  84. @Rosie

    Perhaps because he is critical of a dissident right that attributes extreme ethnocentrism to American Jews. For your assertion to be correct, Rosie, American Jews must not have much sense of ethnic solidarity (that is, incidentally, my view–I think the idea of secular ethnic American Jews being ethnocentric misses the mark).

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Rosie
  85. @Talha

    Cleaver is a pastor and the son of a reverend to boot. Yikes.

    • Agree: Talha
  86. @John Johnson

    I don’t mean to be flippant, but it is worth noting that almost exactly two years ago today we were getting the same sensational stories about overflowing hospitals because of… the flu:

    The 2017-2018 influenza epidemic is sending people to hospitals and urgent-care centers in every state, and medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures: asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting friends and family visits and canceling elective surgeries, to name a few.

    “We are pretty much at capacity, and the volume is certainly different from previous flu seasons,” says Dr. Alfred Tallia, professor and chair of family medicine at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center in New Brunswick, New Jersey. “I’ve been in practice for 30 years, and it’s been a good 15 or 20 years since I’ve seen a flu-related illness scenario like we’ve had this year.”

    Again, that’s not to dismiss what you’re saying. Maybe my skepticism is The Boy Who Cried Wolf coming to life.

  87. nebulafox says:
    @Talha

    So lame. So incredibly lame. Man… just so… over-the-top, pandering cringe. Weak.

    2020 made quitting drinking hell. I really hope 2021 isn’t the same. These kinds of things don’t bode well.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @iffen
  88. nebulafox says:
    @Rosie

    >a national socialist state

    Ethiopian Jews, Russian Jews, Moroccan Jews are not exactly what you’d commonly expect in a “national socialist” state, Rosie…

    (Yes, it is funny to watch NYC hasbara fanboys go out and play pseudo-Afrikaner in the West Bank, but still, Israel’s pretty multicultural place, from everything I’ve heard. As far as the birth rate goes, as I’ve said before, that comes at the cost of haredi headaches.)

    • Replies: @Rosie
  89. Thomasina says:
    @dfordoom

    It’s probably a matter of different labeling. China probably lists people dying from heart attacks, diabetes, liver or kidney failure, etc.

    In the U.S., because the hospitals make more money by saying someone died from Covid, every death gets listed as “death by Covid”. Miraculously, in 2020 hardly anyone died from old age or the flu.

    But almost all influenzas start in Asia and then work their way here. Why is that? Every year the CDC makes its way to Asia to predict what flu will be prominent and then comes up with a vaccine. Sometimes they predict correctly; sometimes they don’t.

    I think the whole thing is overblown, but some people are making lots of money off the vaccines. Flu season will soon be over.

  90. the government conjured more money out of thin air than it taxed from the citizenry

    The government didn’t conjure anything.

    The Federal Reserve conjured money out of thin air, then turned around and lent it to the government, and charged the government interest.

  91. @Andrei

    Beauty correlates strongly with every other desirable trait: good health, good character, good genes, good nutrition, high IQ. Men don’t prove themselves more shallow by seeking beauty, they prove themselves more profound by doing so.

    Oh give me a break.

    Most men will stay with a pretty woman even if she burns down his house and sleeps with his friends.

    A woman can be a total psycho with bad genes and some “nice guy” will be thrilled that his new succubus is purdy.

    Women fall for jerks and men fall for a pretty face. Both really need to take a step back sometimes.

    • Replies: @iffen
  92. @Wency

    In my experience it’s not actually pretty girls that tend to do these guys in, it’s geeky girls. I personally know four divorces in my immediate peer/friend group, and three of them were a result of geeky guys ending up with a geeky girl (the other was a result of marrying at 18, and he bounced back strong).

    That is the fake man’s woman.

    They have an interest in male hobbies up until the day of the wedding.

    The real problem in tech heavy areas is that there are too many men.

    Those gamer girlz can often get a man well outside their league due to supply and demand.

    I lived in a tech area for a short period and I couldn’t believe how many Whites and Asians all had the same plan of buying a BMW and expecting women to jump in it. You see all these guys at stoplights driving alone. What happens is that women in these areas have plenty of geeks to choose from and can be very picky. Women are also more attracted to masculinity than they want to admit. They don’t want to date androgynous men even if TV tells them they should.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  93. MBlanc46 says:
    @The Alarmist

    Perhaps this is a minority view, but I thought that Miss Wells was not only more wholesome, but also more sexually alluring.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  94. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    That’s pretty nicely out, J-S.

  95. nebulafox says:
    @John Johnson

    >That is the fake man’s woman.

    I really don’t agree: theoretical physics and high-performance software development are deeply masculine environments at the end of the day for reasons other than demographics. Might be a very different manifestation of masculinity than you see in the military or at the gym or at the shop, but it’s hypercompetitive, blunt, and oriented toward actions, not feelings. Now, if we talk about the term “geek” as it has become, namely bottom feeders swarming around an obese chick pretending to love video games, then yeah, I get you.

    Other than that, I largely agree with your post, but look at it this way: it doesn’t take much to stand out in such an environment. Spend a year working out, cleaning up your appearance and bearing, and developing some non-nerdy interests, and you can clean up nicely in the Bay.

    Not to mention that these ladies usually do see intelligence as an important attractor, especially the Asian ones: its just that, you know… they don’t want it to be *just* intelligence, any more than a man wants a woman who is sexy but a nutcase.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  96. MBlanc46 says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Thanks very much for the first hand report. It’s very difficult to get reliable information about this critter. Having gotten to “know” you over the course of a couple of years, I have a greater degree of confidence in your report than I have in the corporate media.

  97. Talha says:
    @John Johnson

    What are you saying? I shouldn’t trust California media sources that simply film waiting rooms?

    Well, it certainly wouldn’t hurt personally knowing the actual doctors that are working in those very hospitals.

    Having two sources of information is better than one, no?

    Peace.

  98. @Talha

    Talha, in April my doctor friend (he’s a specialist) talked to his ID doc friend (Infectious Disease doc) who told him this: “Yeah, it’s a bad virus, but you ever know anyone who hasn’t gotten the common cold? Well, that’s the same deal with this one.”

    Since we’re doing anecdotes, I got plenty:

    Our nurse family member says there was a patient that a doctor missed the diagnosis of COVID on for a few days. He was on a regular floor with no special precautions. Did any nurses die or even get bad sick? Not a one, and from what I hear there many extreme fat fucks in that crowd (sorry for the language, and I guess women can’t be fat fucks, but what’s the proper term?)

    At the hospital, a nurse can test positive and still work if she doesn’t have symptoms. Now, just what the hell does that tell you about how serious this whole thing is?

    A friend of mine, age 62, got the COVID. He stayed home for a week or so, got slight diarrhea for one day, fever up to 100 (oh, boy!) and said he felt weak. Other guy, about 45, got all worried, stayed quarantined for 10 days. (I said I’d leave him some pasta outside the door, since he’s Italian, but he never took me up on it.) He said yesterday at the park, sitting 2′ from me on a bench, that all he had was a queasy stomach for 4 hours (of the 10 days).

    I was told by the company HR guy that I worked with a guy who tested positive about a week back. The complete anecdote is related in the Peak Stupidity post Prognosis Positive. The guy said I was pretty positive about the whole thing. “Well, yeah. I’m not worried about this thing. Those bugs have probably been running in and out of me since March.”

    Nobody in the whole neighborhood (a couple of thousand houses) that we’ve heard about (and my wife is on the neighbor app or whatever) has gotten seriously bad off from the Kung Flu. There are LOTS of old people here, many over 70. The 87 y/o lady near us still walks her dog every day – no mask.

    The kids were out at the park the last few days, and COVID-one-niner should have been the least of any parent’s worries. They were as close as kids get, some 6-9 y/o’s were having sword fights with 8 ft. long sticks, and then the kids found a 15′ diameter, 4″ deep in the center, puddle and were splashing each other till drenched. Were the school principal, who has the kids staying 6′ apart, WHILE WEARING MASKS, during recess* to drive by, she’d have to do a Sargeant Schultzie “I! SEE! NOTHINK!”

    You want anecdotes? I got plenty more where these came from, from a place where I don’t wear the face diaper, and people act normal when they aren’t scared of being threatened about it.

    PS: About going to the store. The commenter did say that he only stopped going due to the mask business, not that he was worried about the COVID himself. I am not an intimidating guy, but what I do is this, on the RARE occasion that anyone says anything to me: “Sir, you have to wear a mask.” “Nah” and walk by, or “No thanks” or “Not agonna do it”. Hey, call the cops if you want. I’m done with this bullshit charade.

    I did have the guy at the health food store tell me he couldn’t check me out if I didn’t put the mask on. I put it on for those 2 minutes only because I don’t believe in wasting food, and this bulk stuff would have thrown out, if I just left it there and said “see ya” (even in pre-Kung Flu times). BTW, he didn’t even laugh when I told him “hey, don’t worry about it. This is a health food store. We’re all real healthy. We’ll be fine!” What a hysterical prude.

    .

    * You can’t even play tag!

    • Replies: @Talha
  99. Mark G. says:
    @John Johnson

    Yes the California lockdowns went too far but that doesn’t mean that masks don’t work.

    More than a hundred thousand people moved out of California in 2020. The lockdowns going too far seem to be part of a larger ideology that causes California politicians to go too far in a lot of areas and it’s driving people out of the state.

  100. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    Typical bigoted and homophobic Christian. Insufficiently inclusive of nonbinary identities.

    • LOL: Talha, iffen
  101. @for-the-record

    As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words:

    They’re going to have to change that one to “a picture is worth a thousand pounds.”

  102. @Cloudbuster

    Cloudbuster, I believe it is ridiculous to fret about the declining birthrate in Japan, a country with still 3 1/2 times the population of California in slightly less than the area. Also, the last I looked at it, it was down from something like 142 million to 140 million.

    However, in this country and in Western Euro countries, here’s the reason it’s a bad thing: The native people with the low and still-declining birth rates are being simply replaced by very foreign others. The US would have had a stable population of the mid to high 200 million, were it not for 55 years of massive immigration. That’d have been just fine, with all the room we still have here.

    As you know, there’s Africa and Steve Sailer’s (rightfully named) “World’s Most Important Graph”. Were Africa at 1/2 a billion, stable, and above all, CONTAINED, I would have no worry about declining birth rates either.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Wency
  103. Talha says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Are you in SoCal? That’s where my doctor friends are reporting first hand.

    As far as around the Chicagoland area, I know plenty of doctors at the local mosque; they are reporting an uptick, but nothing like what is going on in SoCal.

    We are still going to 5 daily prayers at our local mosque with distance and masks. We are holding Friday congregational prayers as well. Only one family in our congregation has gotten Covid thus far. The mosques in SoCal are barely open at this point because it is spreading among the congregants and many of those that attend (usually who are the most rock solid about attendance) are elderly men, aka The Uncles.

    It seems clear to me that where you are located has a lot to do with it and anecdotes from one location have very little relevance to another location.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  104. Talha says:
    @Talha

    I also think regional attitudes have to be taken into account when developing policies. Urban folks are not like rural folks and there are other such factors.

    I remember reading that in Pakistan (which is not doing too bad in controlling spread), the government and secular elite wanted to shut down the mosques. The ulama said NO with a pretty united voice; that they would have congregants wear masks and keep a distance, but there was no way they were going to stop holding congregational prayers. And the government had to back down.

    I think (generally) the more local we allow these policies to be formulated and implemented (catering to the local situation and culture) – with localities dealing also with the consequences of their policies – the better it will be for everyone.

    That’s just my take.

  105. Rosie says:
    @nebulafox

    Ethiopian Jews, Russian Jews, Moroccan Jews are not exactly what you’d commonly expect in a “national socialist” state, Rosie…

    That’s because you don’t understand national socialism. A national socialist state is a socialist state that exists for the benefit of a distinct nation. How exactly the nation is defined is another question. It is clear that some are in and some are out.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  106. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    Well below replacement with the exclusion of the Orthodox.

    That’s what I figured.

    It’s also difficult to see how such a population collapse isn’t invariably paired with high immigration from other places. It may not theoretically have to play out like that, but it’s a very good bet that it will.

    Yes, it’s about as close to a certainty as you can get. Demographic collapse leads to population replacement and cultural extinction as sure as night follows day. Countries like Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Italy and Spain are almost certainly already past the point of no return.

    • Replies: @Talha
  107. Talha says:
    @dfordoom

    Very interesting take from Musk and Ma – you don’t hear this perspective often:

    And Musk has like 6 or 7 kids! He’s serious about a solution!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  108. Rosie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    These are the predominant characteristics men and women tend to be attracted to, respectively. They aren’t the only things, of course.

    Even that is an overstatement of the case, and clearly so, AE.

    As shown in the links I posted, a certain level of physical attractiveness is a bare minimum requirement. Once that bare minimum standard is met, then other factors become more important, but it doesn’t change the fact that the minimum standard is there.

    The fact that women care more about status than men does not mean that status is the “predominant” characteristic we seek.

    Here’s a more concise way to put it. Think of that most attractive person again. You can either sleep with him/her but nobody gets to know about it or the public can think you slept with him/her but you don’t actually get to do it.

    That’s a silly question to ask a woman. We don’t care for one night stands, unless it’s a rock star.

    Now, would I rather have a night with Bruce Dickinson (circa 1985) or have everyone think I had a night with Bruce Dickinson? I would take the night with Bruce Dickinson. Hell yes, that’s easy.

    Having everyone think we had sex with so-and-so is more of a guy thing.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Audacious Epigone
  109. Rosie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    For your assertion to be correct, Rosie, American Jews must not have much sense of ethnic solidarity (that is, incidentally, my view–I think the idea of secular ethnic American Jews being ethnocentric misses the mark).

    I don’t really think that follows. In the Jewish state, having children is just the done thing. It is pervasive throughout the culture in a way that cannot be expected in Diaspora Jewish communities.

    In any event, my point is that I disagree with nebulafox that conditions in Israel are “not replicable” elsewhere. I think they are replicable, and what it takes is an ethnic nationalist society in an ethnic nationalist state.

    The facts do not support the claim that Israeli fertility is the result of religion. Even secular Jewish women in Israel have relatively large families. They see it as a duty to their people. The fertility rate for non observant Jewish women in Israel is a very respectable 2.2 kids per woman.

    https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/israels-fertility-rate-comparable-to-us-baby-boom-study-finds-581032#:~:text=However%2C%20the%20rise%20in%20birth,than%20any%20other%20OECD%20country.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  110. @Rosie

    Note this:  I’m agreeing with Rosie.  MARK YOUR CALENDARS!

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  111. Jay Fink says:
    @Rosie

    “I wonder if there has ever been a prosperous society that wasn’t fat”.

    The U.S before 25+ years ago. Most of modern day Europe, Japan to name a few.

  112. dfordoom says: • Website
    @MBlanc46

    Perhaps this is a minority view, but I thought that Miss Wells was not only more wholesome, but also more sexually alluring.

    There are plenty of men who go for the Mary Ann sexy girl next door types. Mary Ann was hot.

    • Agree: The Alarmist
  113. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    Wait?! There’s another Bruce Dickinson?! I thought this was The Bruce Dickinson!!!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Jim Christian
  114. nebulafox says:
    @Rosie

    Oh, swell, I’m being lectured on how I don’t properly understand national socialism.

    I give: I’m sneaking a shot of whisky. 😉

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  115. @nebulafox

    I really don’t agree: theoretical physics and high-performance software development are deeply masculine environments at the end of the day for reasons other than demographics. Might be a very different manifestation of masculinity than you see in the military or at the gym or at the shop, but it’s hypercompetitive, blunt, and oriented toward actions, not feelings.

    Sure but you can describe just about any male competition in that manner.

    Other than that, I largely agree with your post, but look at it this way: it doesn’t take much to stand out in such an environment. Spend a year working out, cleaning up your appearance and bearing, and developing some non-nerdy interests, and you can clean up nicely in the Bay.

    It doesn’t take much but these nerds have watched too many movies where the guy gets the girl with a car. Honestly a lot of them would be better off going back to whatever Midwest state they came from and taking up an average job. There are a lot of guys in tech that are barely getting by because the rent is so high in these areas.

    Not to mention that these ladies usually do see intelligence as an important attractor, especially the Asian ones: its just that, you know… they don’t want it to be *just* intelligence, any more than a man wants a woman who is sexy but a nutcase.

    Sure but you have the big fishbowl problem. In some of these areas the women definitely expect the men to be smart. It’s a minimum requirement. Back in their small towns they would stand out a lot more. Tech is a lie just like Hollywood. A lot more people on the bottom than TEEVEE tells everyone.

    I have a good wife but I’m also fearless when talking to random people and women mistake my disconnected nature as dark and alluring. But I still had to go put myself out there like a car salesmen. My single friends however seem to be giving up. I am concerned they represent a lot of men behind the scenes. One makes around 180k and is very frustrated with his situation. What am I supposed to tell him? Go back to Ohio and marry a waitress? That is really what he should do.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @nebulafox
  116. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosie

    I think they are replicable, and what it takes is an ethnic nationalist society in an ethnic nationalist state.

    You’d need more than that. I’m not saying that an ethnic nationalist society would be a bad thing but it wouldn’t enough.

    Things a country could do that might get TFR back to replacement levels:

    De-urbanise society.

    Persuade people to abandon consumerism. That would mean a ban on advertising.

    Ban social media.

    Ban dating applications (which encourage one-night stands rather than marriage).

    Provide decent healthcare for all citizens.

    Provide decent housing for all citizens.

    Ban all American popular culture.

    Establish a state secular religion that would give people a sense of community and common purpose. Or try to revive currently dying religions such as Christianity (but that might not be a great idea considering how pozzed many liberal Christians are).

    I don’t think a single one of those things is even remotely political possible so I’d add another item to the list:

    Scrap democracy.

    • Disagree: iffen
    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @John Johnson
  117. @Talha

    And Musk has like 6 or 7 kids! He’s serious about a solution!

    Peace.

    Musk joined the race denying elites of America and probably doesn’t care about his lab kids anymore than he cares about South Africa.

    If the Bantu ever overrun the South African Whites in a mass orgy of rape and killing we will see Musk get on tv to talk about his new idea for public transportation.

    • Replies: @Talha
  118. Rosie says:
    @John Johnson

    One makes around 180k and is very frustrated with his situation. What am I supposed to tell him? Go back to Ohio and marry a waitress? That is really what he should do.

    Hmmm, and here AE seems to be under the impression that women choose men for “what we can get for our children,” (charitably speaking). On the golddigger theory of women, your friend shouldn’t be having any trouble.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  119. Rosie says:
    @dfordoom

    You’d need more than that. I’m not saying that an ethnic nationalist society would be a bad thing but it wouldn’t enough.

    Things a country could do that might get TFR back to replacement levels:

    De-urbanise society.

    Persuade people to abandon consumerism. That would mean a ban on advertising.

    Ban social media.

    Ban dating applications (w

    Evidently these things are not necessary, because Israel hasn’t done any of these things.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  120. Talha says:
    @John Johnson

    Possible, but as a patriarch, his genetic line is secured. All of the women he has sired children with are white.

    Other white lineages may die off, but his white descendants look to be first in line to establish the imperial dynasty of House Musk on Mars.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  121. @dfordoom

    I don’t think a single one of those things is even remotely political possible so I’d add another item to the list:

    Scrap democracy.

    If you really wanted to increase birth rates the way to do it would be to remove the influence of both Christianity and liberalism on female sexuality.

    Liberalism isn’t about female liberation and neither is feminism. These ideologies are egalitarian in nature and seek to control women for the sake of the group.

    Women are hard wired to have children just like any female animal. If you strip away societal conditioning only that hard wired nature would remain.

  122. @MBlanc46

    Thanks very much for the first hand report. It’s very difficult to get reliable information about this critter.

    You’re welcome, and that’s exactly why I wrote it. It really helps to hear non-politicized talk from a real human being.

    This pandemic has reminded us just how vain it is to place our hopes in human contrivances. Neither medicine nor politics has any ability to keep us safe in absolute terms, outside of their own proper spheres. That’s fine; that’s how it’s supposed to be. There is no point in walking around afraid all the time.

    The normal ordering of life is not a problem, it’s a comfort. It is precisely the existence of this order that makes the deviations from it bearable. Yes, there are diseases, crimes, and accidents, but they don’t have the same ontological character as normal life. They are known and felt to be exceptions that should not destroy one’s courage in the face of existence. You cannot monkey around with this order with this order without creating even worse evils than those you are trying to escape.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  123. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    Lol the person who wrote that skit didn’t know what he was talking about. The real Bruce Dickinson is a beautiful, brainy Brit who, according to legend, could get girls pregnant with his voice when he was in his prime. Here is one of his more legendary vocal performances:

  124. Sean says:

    Men pursue beauty and women pursue status.

    Men will overwhelmingly choose the private hotel room; women the conspicuous night on the town.

    No, although that is what women want men to want from them. In fact men will choose to be seen out on the town. As Fritz Lenz said.

    A woman wishes, above all, to be regarded as beautiful and desirable, whereas a man wants to be regarded as a hero and as a person who gets things done.

    Being seen to have won a beautiful woman would just pay and pay because all women will suddenly find you very attractive (Sexy Son hypothesis). At her peak, Cameron Diaz complained that men just wanted go about with her on their arm and show her as their conquest.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Rosie
  125. @Talha

    Possible, but as a patriarch, his genetic line is secured. All of the women he has sired children with are white.

    Other white lineages may die off, but his white descendants look to be first in line to establish the imperial dynasty of House Musk on Mars.

    So it doesn’t matter if he abandons South Africa to its doom because he had children? What kind of madness is that?

    I also have White children but that doesn’t give me some moral directive to abandon my country. I’m also aware of genetics and that after a dozen generations your lineage is pretty watered down.

    Your talk of Mars is exactly the delusion I am talking about.

    Here is what will happen with the current course:
    Africans will overpopulate and some cataclysmic event will turn the continent into total chaos and suffering.

    But you and Musk will be talking about Mars. Oh but we’ll get on a rocket ship and go to an empty red planet. Good Lord this is madness.

    Barges of Africans will be headed to the first world and Musk will talk about getting in a rocket ship.

    This is exactly the problem. Race denial leads to this type of crazy thinking in Whites. We can just have kids in a lab and then go to mars. Bantu raping the women of South Africa? Oh geez…do we have to bring that up? I want to talk about space men and new transportation systems.

  126. @Rosie

    Hmmm, and here AE seems to be under the impression that women choose men for “what we can get for our children,” (charitably speaking). On the golddigger theory of women, your friend shouldn’t be having any trouble.

    Well there is a bit of truth in all of it. My friend probably wouldn’t have as much trouble if he was in a small town and making 180k. Part of the problem is that he has a lot of competition.

    But if he was more sociable and outgoing he would do better. I think he has some built up resentments which women are going to pick up on.

    Gold digging theory clearly has problems since he is pretty average in most ways but makes good money.

    Women really aren’t as bad as they are made out to be on the internet. If you spend enough time around them you get more of an instinctive feel and they react positively to that.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  127. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Shouldn’t that have been awomen?

    There’s a stereotype observation there about some blacks having difficulty with subject-verb agreement, but I’m not going to go there.

  128. iffen says:
    @nebulafox

    You ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’

    [MORE]

    Hmm mmm, baby I still love you, [Incomprehensible] gotta start
    You just ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’
    I still love you baby
    Let’s hear some drinking music now

    I used to come home late and not a minute too soon
    Barkin’ like a dog, howlin’ at the moon
    You’d be mad as an ol’ wet hen
    Up all night wonderin’ where I had been?
    I’d fall down and say come help me honey
    You laughed out loud, I guess you thought it was funny

    I sobered up, and I got to thinkin’
    You ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’

    Yeah I’m paintin’ the house and I’m mendin’ the fence
    Gone out and lost all my good sense
    An’ too much of work is hard for your health
    I could’ve died drinkin’, now I’m killing myself
    I’m feedin’ the dog, sackin’ the trash
    Honey do this, honey do that

    I sobered up, I got to thinkin’
    Ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’
    That’s what I think about it mama, let’s play

    Hey I’m fixin’ the sink, mowin’ your grass
    Made a big list and I’m bustin’ my wheel
    All broken down, tail’s just draggin’
    It’s a tough ol’ life up here on a wagon
    Now I’m feedin’ the dog, an’ sackin’ the trash
    Honey do this, honey do that

    I sobered up, I got thinkin’
    Ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’
    Let’s honky tonkin’ mother’s boys
    What you got?

    Yeah all night long
    Well I’m fixin’ the sink, mowin’ your grass
    Made a big list and I’m bustin’ my wheel
    All broken down, tail’s just draggin’
    It’s a tough ol’ life up here on a wagon
    I’m feedin’ that dog, sackin’ your trash
    Honey do this, an’ honey do that

    I sobered up, and I got to thinkin’
    Ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’

    I sobered up, and I got to thinkin’
    Ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’
    And that’s all baby doll

    Well I sobered up, and I got to thinkin’
    That you ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’
    I said I sobered up, and I got to thinkin’
    You ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’
    I sobered up, and I got to thinkin’
    You ain’t much fun since I quit drinkin’

    Songwriters: Toby Keith, Carl Reber Jr. Goff

  129. iffen says:
    @John Johnson

    A woman can be a total psycho with bad genes and some “nice guy” will be thrilled that his new succubus is purdy.

    Any authentic cocksman can verify that crazy women have the very best stuff.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @nebulafox
  130. @dfordoom

    I deal in financial stats, and the Chinese are notorious liars.

    Having said that, so are the US, UK, pretty much most of the EU, all of Africa and much of Asia.

  131. These poor kids. Face it, 95% of women today deliberately cultivate a repulsive appearance. Tatts, multi-colored hair, obesity, piercing, pajamas worn everywhere, except when they choose to highlight their big fat asses in those stupid tights. Nothing better than when a skinny chick wears them, nothing worse than when ham planets wear them, especially with their shit-stained thong in the white iteration of said tights. There is nothing even vaguely feminine or attractive in the run of the mill chick age 18-45, they’re all slobs, not to mention with faces and voices full of bad attitude and menace, their contrived ‘educations rendering them more moronic with every passing year. And the young men are supposed to love these degenerate slobs. Or try.

    Progress indeed.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @nebulafox
  132. @Rosie

    The real Bruce Dickinson is a beautiful, brainy Brit who, according to legend, could get girls pregnant with his voice when he was in his prime.

    Really, Rosie? Stinkie and slick to the knees maybe, but preggars? This is you at your corny best. Keep em coming.

  133. @Talha

    Didn’t he help Robert Wagner kill Natalie Wood?

    • Replies: @Talha
  134. @Sean

    “Being seen to have won a beautiful woman would just pay and pay because all women will suddenly find you very attractive”

    That’s what Game people call “pre-selection”, that if a girl sees you in the company of pretty women she’ll be more interested next time she encounters you. I imagine there’s some truth to it.

    But unless your night on the tiles with (insert lust object here) was splashed all over the papers for weeks, how much good would it do you next time you hit your local bar?

  135. @Intelligent Dasein

    There is no example of automation ever reducing the amount of human labor required to get something done.

    Tell that to the Japanese with their “lights-out factories”.

  136. @Intelligent Dasein

    Industrial looms and other mass-production factory systems along with modern agriculture have made food and material goods plentiful in a way unimaginable 300 years ago while drastically reducing the effort it takes to produce the goods such that a serious modern problem is finding meaningful jobs for everyone.

    The percentage of the population occupied with agriculture is a tiny fraction of what it was at the turn of the 19th century and a proportional number of people are not involved in the production and maintenance of farm equipment. The fact that people have been freed to do other things does not mean that automation didn’t reduce the amount of labor required to produce the world’s food.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  137. @Rosie

    You’re all wrong on women and men and beauty and status. Forget celebrities and billionaires and rock stars, how many long-term couples do you know where the two vary wildly in attractiveness?

    Were there a big difference in male and female preferences, there’d be a ton of highly unattractive men with highly attractive women, yet there are very few. They are immediately noticeable and represent a tiny fraction.

    End of projection

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  138. @Cloudbuster

    Think about what I said. Don’t take the same Whiggish boilerplate I just refuted and spout it back at me as if I’ve never heard these things before, Jack D junior.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  139. @iffen

    Any authentic cocksman can verify that crazy women have the very best stuff.

    Sure for a fling but then you better run like hell and change your phone number.

  140. @Intelligent Dasein

    You didn’t “refute” anything. You made a bunch of clearly false assertions.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  141. Achmed E. Newman: “I am not an intimidating guy, but what I do is this, on the RARE occasion that anyone says anything to me: “Sir, you have to wear a mask.” “Nah” and walk by, or “No thanks” or “Not agonna do it”. Hey, call the cops if you want. I’m done with this bullshit charade.”

    That sounds good, but are you really willing to go to jail? If not, it’s just an easily called bluff. Also, a store may simply refuse to ring up your purchase if you don’t comply with their mask rules. What then? Walk out with the stuff without paying? Calculate it yourself and toss the money at them?

    Point is, VERY few people, if any, can afford to do without buying things from others, and if you are unfortunate enough to live in an area in which “they” are presenting a united front and refusing to sell to you unless you comply with their demands, you’ll comply. The interconnectedness of modern life induces conformity and destroys freedom.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  142. @Jim Christian

    These poor kids. Face it, 95% of women today deliberately cultivate a repulsive appearance. Tatts, multi-colored hair, obesity, piercing, pajamas worn everywhere, except when they choose to highlight their big fat asses in those stupid tights.

    Progress indeed.

    Well this is where I see conservatism being one big fat failure.

    They can’t do anything about cheap corn syrup calories cause that would be socialism.

    Can’t do anything about the culture other then talk about personal responsibility. Well that isn’t working.

    They also let leftists not only take over the universities but create all kinds of fake degrees that fill the heads of women with egalitarian gobbly gook. So they leave the colleges believing that everything is a conspiracy by White men and Wakanda would exist if not for those awful Whites.

    The conservative response to all this is to watch Fox news and then go golf.

    Some here don’t understand my opposition but this is a good example of why. It’s too passive to solve these problems.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @dfordoom
  143. @Not Only Wrathful

    Were there a big difference in male and female preferences, there’d be a ton of highly unattractive men with highly attractive women, yet there are very few. They are immediately noticeable and represent a tiny fraction.

    They are not a tiny fraction in wealthy areas.

    But you might have stumbled on what could be a key part of the problem.

    Men watching couples in the tech areas could develop a pretty cynical view. You do see guys in 200k cars driving around attractive women. You can go to any restaurant near a tech company and see this.

    But none of these couples look that happy compared to regular couples in rural areas. In fact these tech areas have a very soulless feel to them.

    End of projection

    Men and women certainly have different preferences. Women will deprioritize looks for confidence or sociability. Men will happily take a pretty woman with low self-esteem. Women will go with an odd looking guy if he is fun to be around. They will also look past quite a bit if a guy is good in bed.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    , @Rosie
  144. @John Johnson

    The conservative response to all this is to watch Fox news and then go golf.

    Hold the Fox news, I’ll keep the golf. That’s my retirement plan. Besides, I’m White. I’m bad. Only my golf pro loves me. And the greater world can go fuck itseff.

  145. anon[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    SARS-2 is a vascular disease spread via respiratory route. Loss of smell is not due to the olfactory bulbs being affected, but rather the tissue surrounding them. The virus can cause capillary leakage anywhere. The Spanish were the first to notice “COVID toe”, where blood blisters form on toes as an effect of the virus. They also noted red spots on the tongue in some cases.

    The virus is a vascular disease. It can cause damage anywhere in the circulatory system, including micro clots.

    The most important thing you can have right now is a fingertip oximeter. Because if the virus begins damaging small blood vessels deep in your lungs your blood oxygen will begin to decline due to alveoli damage, however it isn’t noticeable until it gets really bad. By the time a person notices it due to shortness of breath, the damage is already serious.

    Checking your blood 02 daily is prudent. Depending on your age and any smoking habits your blood oxygen should be in the range of 95% to 98%, if it drops down to 93% or lower it’s time for a consultation with a medical professional. Because in the worst case, the lungs begin to fill up with a mixture of bodily fluids and you begin to smother.

    Zinc, quercetin, vitamin D, vitamin C are all important. Other meds as you can get them.

    But that fingertip oximeter is crucial, because without it you can’t know when it’s time to go to a hospital.

  146. @John Johnson

    This is all true sometimes and also not true plenty of the time.

    I much prefer women with high self-esteem, in fact, so much so that I have often dated ones who have disorderedly high levels of it. Female self-esteem frequently manifests in different ways in our culture which confuses male observers. I know, I default to always trying to build it up. That’s my problem.

    Were I projecting I would therefore call women mostly solipsistic, because that would be precisely the quality that I am accustomed to suppressing in myself. The quality (solipsism) in reality merely being valuing your own sense of feeling and deeper needs over (or ideally along with) those of others, of logic and other external phenomena.

    They will also look past quite a bit if a guy is good in bed.

    Men will too with women, but they’ll often put it down to her “sexual enthusiasm” or other coded word for “proficiency”.

    One a different note, and in agreement, one of the silliest memes of the tradright is that women don’t enjoy sex and just do it for resources or some other bastardised evopsych reason. Any man who says or believes that is setting himself up to be horribly used.

  147. @John Johnson

    I already said that they know the recent surge is from family gatherings.

    The California surge in cases precedes Thanksgiving by weeks. Cases started surging after the first week of November. Long before family holiday gatherings. By the day of Thanksgiving, confirmed cases had risen past the summer peak.

    “They” say they know a lot of things.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/california?view=infections-testing&tab=trend&test=positive_tests

  148. Rosie says:
    @Sean

    (Sexy Son hypothesis)

    I think it goes deeper than that. The conventional wisdom is that women care about more about status, but men are constantly jockeying for position amongst themselves, and I think women are a part of that.

    That’s why I increasingly think that fornication should be banned (White Sharia!). Not because antifornication statutes are seriously enforceable. (I don’t think they are.) But the mere fact of something being illegal means you have to STFU about it. That, in turn, would take the pressure off women quite a bit, because I suspect that men want to tell all their buddies about having sex more than they want to actually have sex.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Sean
  149. Rosie says:
    @John Johnson

    Women will go with an odd looking guy if he is fun to be around.

    This! Humor is huge for women, for a number of reasons I suspect.

    First, it signals a degree of intelligence.

    Second, it signals coping skills. A man with a sense of humor is probably less likely to batter women and children under the stress of family life.

    Third, it signals efficacy. All else equal, charismatic men are obviously going to be more successful than uncharismatic ones.

    I suspect humor is a more powerful equalizer than even money. I have seen girls fall hopelessly for very unattractive guys who were exceptionally funny.

    I don’t think any of this is conscious, though. It’s just ingrained.

  150. Anon[530] • Disclaimer says:

    Chinese-American women who seek-out Caucasian husbands are said to be looking for “egalitarian knighthood.” (Same for Japanese war brides.) Updike’s Rabbit lamented that his wife did not give him the most important thing a woman can give a man, which is to tell him he’s terrific, even though he suspects he’s not really so terrific. Ian Fleming said to look for “good with sauces”— a metaphor, I assume. As for the definition of physical attractiveness, the classic ideal is “uniformity without monotony, variety without chaos” – has modern media changed this? The best dating question, for either sex, is: “So! How are you crazy?” Comments, Rosie?

  151. Wency says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’d agree that, in theory, low birthrates don’t have to be a problem if you can keep immigration in check. But in practice, they are. Once the population really starts collapsing, the forces of Capital will go all-in on finding a solution. Capital abhors a decreasing population — every asset in a country loses value when this happens.

    I expect mass immigration will come to Japan and Korea, despite cultural resistance to it, because Capital just wants it too badly. And in the end, childless old people with no connection to their country’s future will be fully prepared to sell out that future in order to keep their pension intact a few more years.

    If Japan had a population boom resulting in too many people, they could pour over their borders, mass immigrate to Korea and elsewhere. At this stage of the game, much of the world would be happy to be colonized by Japanese. And Japan would be a happier place if it had children.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  152. nebulafox says:
    @iffen

    Some spectacular shows still aren’t worth their price of admission.

  153. @Mr. Rational

    “Note this: I’m agreeing with Rosie. MARK YOUR CALENDARS!”

    Does this mean the End Times are upon us?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  154. Talha says:
    @Jim Christian

    Not sure, but if I recall, she drowned. If she was wearing one of these, then The Bruce Dickinson should be the primary suspect if not person of interest:

    Peace.

  155. @Cloudbuster

    Your idiocy results from the fact that you stupidly equate “working in fields” with “being occupied with agriculture.”

    “Agriculture” does not exist. It is simply a modern term for large-scale industrial farming. Traditional people who raise plants and animals on their clods of earth are not “occupied in agriculture,” they are simply living.

    The people “occupied” in modern agriculture extend far beyond the farmer, who is nowadays simply an overpaid tractor jockey with a government subsidy. You must now count the engineers and workers who designed and built his tractor. Then there are the people involved in the production of ammonia fertilizers (the fixation of atmospheric nitrogen via the Haber process alone consumes 2% of global energy production). Haber requires a methane feedstock, so you must include a proportion of those working in the natural gas industry. Then there is the mining, processing, and transportation of phosphate rock. Don’t forget the railroads, trains, roads, and trucks required to move all this stuff around, and their own production requirements, e.g. steel and other metals, concrete, asphalt, and lots of petroleum and coal. The engineers required to design all this stuff are themselves a high-value product whose existence presumes an extensive (and expensive) education, and all the inputs that requires. And nobody could consume any of this food without more transportation, grocery workers, warehouse workers, and truck drivers bringing it to them. We still haven’t mentioned the canning industry, food processing, packaging, frozen storage, electricity generation, so on and so forth. Are you starting to see a pattern here, you stupid little anal polyp? How many people do you think are really “occupied in agriculture” now?

    The only clearly false assertion is the one that holds that you have any right to outgas your flatulatory opinions among thinking adults. Go back to your sandbox you twit, and do not presume to speak to me again.

  156. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Dr. Morgan, nah, I don’t expect to get arrested. That is highly unlikely. I’m not even sure there are any very specific laws right now in my area, and that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.* Call my bluff how? I’ll just have to leave. I’m not bluffing. Call the cops, and I’ll leave the store. There won’t be an arrest.

    As I wrote before, before I paid for my stuff at the health food store, I did not want to leave it there and walk out simply because I don’t like wasting food. (I don’t like anyone wasting food, and you ought to see the school cafeteria and how much gets thrown out.) I can’t just leave the store without paying. I don’t get that part. If it were regular groceries, yeah, I could plan on not coming back ever, and just say “OK, see ya’” and let them put it all back up (not counting fruits and veggies I bet). I’m not trying to do that.

    I just don’t wear the mask. It’s not been a problem. Today, at the Home Depot, there was only one other guy I saw with no mask on. I said, “hey, preciate you going maskless too. This is getting stupid.”, as I shook his hand. I talked to 3 “associates” in the store for a bit of help on one thing. Nobody was worried in the least, and nobody even stood back any more than the usual 3 ft. normal talking distance. I found something I’d looked on-line and all over town for for weeks while talking to the one guy.

    Your last paragraph, Doc, makes sense of course. All we need is a disunited front ourselves, and this “united front” of their does to pieces.

    (Not directed at Dr. Morgan here). STAND THE HELL UP, PEOPLE! Geeze, our Founding Fathers put their lives, fortune and honor on the line. All we have to do is just not comply to some little stupidity here and there to turn this around.

    .

    * I know, I know, don’t go all legal eagle on me, other commenters.

  157. @John Johnson

    Pay attention, lads:

    Women really aren’t as bad as they are made out to be on the internet. If you spend enough time around them you get more of an instinctive feel and they react positively to that.

    @John Johnson is right.

    Sean adds:

    At her peak, Cameron Diaz complained….

    Heh.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  158. @Wency

    … a decreasing population — every asset in a country loses value when this happens.

    Cheaper assets? What’s not to like?

    • Replies: @Wency
  159. nebulafox says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I’ve said this in a previous comment, but I think it is kind of sad that so many Internet denizens don’t accept the foibles of the opposite sex with a smile, and to an extent, enjoy them. Men and women are supposed to like each other for what they are. That’s the point, really.

    No woman wants a man who actually hates women: and vice versa. But jokes are not the same as hatred.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  160. nebulafox says:
    @John Johnson

    >Sure but you can describe just about any male competition in that manner.

    There’s a certain intensity, though, that you don’t see everywhere else. Doing high-level math is akin to SEAL training for the left brain.

    >It doesn’t take much but these nerds have watched too many movies where the guy gets the girl with a car. Honestly a lot of them would be better off going back to whatever Midwest state they came from and taking up an average job. There are a lot of guys in tech that are barely getting by because the rent is so high in these areas.

    If you don’t have the empirical experience, what else can you do but take your cues from the popular culture surrounding you?

    Going off TV/book lines to a limited extent can have surprisingly good results, TBH, but you need to match that with the mannerisms, the expressions, etc, and these guys don’t. Not to mention that they are simply copying the scripts wholesale.

    >I have a good wife but I’m also fearless when talking to random people and women mistake my disconnected nature as dark and alluring.

    Good listeners are always in demand, especially if laconically is coupled with force and decisiveness when words are spoken.

    >What am I supposed to tell him? Go back to Ohio and marry a waitress?

    I think this can work, but the man has to be in a certain place in life: he’s got to be happy with his general trajectory, at peace with his past, and consciously know what he’s doing: he’s not getting a best friend, he’s marrying a wife, and contra pop culture, they aren’t the same thing.

    Men who don’t fill these conditions are disinclined to do this on a visceral, gut level, because marriage to a certain extent is a tacit admission that you are happy with the broad contours of your life and personality, if you are male. You don’t have to have everything figured out, but you do need to be OK with the blueprint ahead of you. A man intent on overhauling that blueprint is unlikely to want to make such a commitment. But that doesn’t sound like your friend.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  161. Wency says:
    @nebulafox

    I’d agree strongly, and my grandparents aren’t so different. Though I do think marrying despite religious differences is still a dubious choice most of the time and was discouraged more strongly in the past. My Protestant grandfather actually pursued a Catholic girl, and she wanted to marry him, and he was even prepared to consider converting to Catholicism, but her parents and priest both told her no, and she complied. I couldn’t imagine such a thing happening now except among a very devout (and anti-Protestant) Catholic sliver. But he married my Protestant grandmother (actually a friend of the first girl), and their marriage went swimmingly for some 50 years.

    But boy, the number of stories I know of people not considering someone because of very surface differences. Perhaps the cake goes to a girl telling me that she couldn’t keep seeing a guy anymore because, despite his other qualities, he didn’t listen to Coldplay.

    When it comes to gamer/geeky guys like I was describing above, I think a big part is a refusal to broaden their horizons. They want to be able to ramble on about geeky stuff on a first date, and they think it’s incompatibility and if this turns the girl off.

  162. @MBlanc46

    It’s very difficult to get reliable information….

    I do not know whether anecdotes make reliable information, but if you would like another: my own covid symptoms (proved to be covid by a positive test) were mild but lasted nine days. Fever lasted two days and a half, peaking under 102 F, breaking after the two days and a half in a heavy sweat. Resting pulse was rapid. Cough was slight. Diarrhea was mild. I am in my mid-fifties.

    At the end, my kidneys went into overdrive for a couple of days: water seemed to pour straight through. Smell and taste were never lost (unlike @Intelligent Dasein, I could sense vinegar without trouble). Blood oxygen never dropped.

    I followed @DanHessinMD’s advice from the first: humidifying the house to about 55 percent. I also took zinc and vitamin C, if this matters; but, probably, I was mainly just lucky.

    I do not suggest that covid is not serious, but it was not serious for me. Everyone else in my home is younger and had even milder symptoms or no symptoms at all.

  163. @Intelligent Dasein

    Listen, if you go immediately to insults, I simply regard your opinions as worthless.

    Your assertion that the population that is engaged in support of agriculture, even peripherally — engineers, workers, fertilizer production, tractor repairmen, parts warehouses, etc., adds up to even a fraction of the pre-industrial agricultural workforce is demonstrably false, no matter how many peripheral activities you attempt to draw in,

    I’m done. I don’t continue conversations with people who can’t discuss things without strings of insults. I’ll remember your attitude in the future.

    The sheer anger of your response is an indication to me that you are becoming aware that your argument is worthless and wish to deflect.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  164. nebulafox says:
    @Jim Christian

    The men aren’t much of a prize either, to be fair. But the women aren’t the ones being consistently discouraged to look at themselves as ends in themselves. Young men are more or less expected to always look at themselves through the lenses of others: what they themselves want and need on a basic human level is not just irrelevant, but cannot even be expressed honestly.

    To some extent, that’s nature, and always will be. Men do, women are. Men don’t have ceilings to block them, they don’t have nets to catch them. But when you remove all the perks of a social role while keeping-and sometimes intensifying-all the cons, don’t be surprised when the people at the receiving end of this either opt out of the game entirely, or ignore your hectoring and do things in a way that more likely to benefit them, damn the wider consequences.

  165. Talha says:
    @nebulafox

    accept the foibles of the opposite sex with a smile, and to an extent, enjoy them. Men and women are supposed to like each other for what they are. That’s the point, really.

    Reminds me of…
    “Woman is like a rib; if you try to straighten her, she will break. So if you want to get benefit from her, do so while she still has some curve/bent.” – reported in Bukhari

    Part of the charm of women is that they are not like men.

    Peace.

  166. @Intelligent Dasein

    You carry around a great deal of anger, and pour it out into comments on a regular basis.

    Where does this anger come from, and why do you choose to hose others down with it?

    Please contemplate this in a quiet moment.

  167. @Cloudbuster

    Your assertion that the population that is engaged in support of agriculture, even peripherally — engineers, workers, fertilizer production, tractor repairmen, parts warehouses, etc., adds up to even a fraction of the pre-industrial agricultural workforce is demonstrably false.

    That was not my assertion, you moron. Can you even read? I am not talking about numbers of workers. I am talking about the quantity of labor, i.e. the energy and resources expended. But while you’re on the point, why don’t you think about the absolute number of the world’s 7+ billion people who actually work in agriculture and supportive functions and compare it to the total number of people on the planet in 1700. Hint, there are as many permanent rural residents in China alone today as there were humans on Earth before the Industrial Revolution.

    Oh, and for the last time, let me spell this out in capitals so that you can actually see it.

    THERE WAS NO PRE-INDUSTRIAL AGRICULTURE WORKFORCE. Agriculture is itself an industry. Peasant farming is not agriculture, despite the presence of a few superficial similarities.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  168. @Jay Fink

    “Men have their lowest beauty requirements for one night stands, especially after a few drinks. “

    Do you have the expression “beer goggles” in the States?

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beer%20goggles

    • Replies: @anon
  169. Wency says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I think it’s OK to be very good friends, perhaps best friends with your spouse. I think the real problem is a failure to recognize that your spouse is your partner first, your friend second.

    This became very clear to me because I started my business a few years before I was married, and I chose a partner for this business among my friends. He wasn’t my best friend, my closest friend, my most fun friend, but he was the friend I most trusted as a business partner. I’ve had plenty of friends that are great fun to pal around with, but I wouldn’t trust them to cover my shift for 5 minutes at a hot dog stand, let alone start a company with.

    I was dating a girl at the time, before I met my wife, and I came to the recognition that while I had a good time with her, I would never in a million years trust her as my business partner. I wouldn’t hire her as an employee. So then how was I to trust her to be something far more important: my partner in life, in maintaining a household, and in raising a family?

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  170. anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Do you have the expression “beer goggles” in the States?

    Yes.

    A more complex version is called “husband goggles”. But…too advanced for this site, I’m afraid.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  171. @Intelligent Dasein

    That was not my assertion, you moron.

    You’re just a fucking liar, you moronic piece of shit.

    The people “occupied” in modern agriculture extend far beyond the farmer…

    You must now count the engineers and workers who…

    Then there are the people involved in the production…

    and so on and so on.

    but, please continue to shift goalposts in an attempt to make sense of your claim that “Automation is a joke. There is no example of automation ever reducing the amount of human labor required to get something done.”

    It’s such a facially stupid statement that watching you writhe is entertaining.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  172. @Cloudbuster

    I am far from writhing. I have the whole history of modern economics on my side. All that I’ve said is factual and quite easily proven. Why is it that you are unable to see it?

    Answer the question (yours, not mine): How many people work in agriculture today? How many people were alive in 1700?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  173. Wency says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    A lot, if you’re the person or institution that owns those assets. Or even the bank that has the loan against them. Which ends up being bad for the whole financial system, and that stretches to pretty much anyone with a pension or a retirement that’s tied to investment performance. The only people it’s good for are renters and first-time home buyers, i.e. the young (a small demographic in a society with an inverted population pyramid) and the poor.

    When it comes to politics, I’d put my money on the rich and the numerous old over the poor and the dwindling young.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  174. @YetAnotherAnon

    I dunno, but it’s definitely an omen.

  175. @anon

    They’re “wife goggles” over here – when you look at your wife and still see the girl you married.

  176. @Intelligent Dasein

    All that I’ve said is factual and quite easily proven.

    Then prove it.  Total up the fraction of the workforce engaged, directly or indirectly, in agriculture.  Be sure to proportionately rank the number of truck drivers by fraction of goods transport which is food, and ditto for the energy industries.

    I’ll give you a hint, it’s nothing like the 70% of the population which lived and worked on farms at the time of the American revolution.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  177. @Mr. Rational

    The two of you clearly have the same reading comprehension problem. What part of “quantity of labor ” did you not understand?

  178. @Wency

    Remarkably, it’s the first thing you’ve written with which I might disagree:

    Cheaper assets? What’s not to like?

    A lot, if you’re the person or institution that owns those assets.

    Of course, but think: from about 1650 through about 1870, was anything finer about America than her vast store of inexpensive, high-quality land?

    Even today, English land of comparable quality costs double.

    You and I ought to distinguish between decisions that are wise for an individual to make, on the one hand, and circumstances that are good for a society to enjoy, on the other. The acquisition and retention of appreciating assets falls in the former category, but the appreciation itself does not fall in the latter.

    It is harder for my children to afford houses than it was for me to afford one, and harder for me than for my father, and harder for him than for his father. Your view may differ, but I do not believe that such scarcity is a friendly development.

    • Replies: @Wency
  179. Rosie: “I suspect humor is a more powerful equalizer than even money. I have seen girls fall hopelessly for very unattractive guys who were exceptionally funny.”

    That great philosopher Cyndi Lauper said it best: “Girls just wanna have fun!”

  180. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    The facts do not support the claim that Israeli fertility is the result of religion. Even secular Jewish women in Israel have relatively large families. They see it as a duty to their people. The fertility rate for non observant Jewish women in Israel is a very respectable 2.2 kids per woman.

    “Non observant” doesn’t mean non-religious. Moreover, the Ultra-Orthodox in Israel have a fertility rate of 7.1, which is much higher and swamps the non-observant rate.

    A 7.1 rate will swamp a 2.2 rate quite quickly.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  181. Achmed E. Newman: “Call my bluff how? I’ll just have to leave. … There won’t be an arrest”

    Don’t underestimate the blue scum. I’m sure there are plenty of them who are just itching to put handcuffs on a dangerous radical who refuses to mask up. And under the Biden/Harris regime, this pressure will only intensify. Soon the whole cuntery may be as crazy as Australia.

    https://dailystormer.su/oz-sydney-issues-200-fine-for-not-wearing-a-mask/

    Achmed E. Newman: “STAND THE HELL UP, PEOPLE! Geeze, our Founding Fathers put their lives, fortune and honor on the line. All we have to do is just not comply to some little stupidity here and there to turn this around.”

    https://dailystormer.su/la-anti-hoaxers-rush-the-mall-create-hilarious-chaos/

    .

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  182. anon[568] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    “We Boomers enjoyed extraordinary levels of liberty, freedom, and material well-being. ”

    Yes, we certainly did. So what do we say is our own culpability for these things having been frittered away on our watch? We boomers . . . “Sex ‘n Drugs ‘n Rock ‘n Roll!” What could go wrong?

    It was on our watch that America truly became a “proposition nation.” And that proposition was: Fun!

    And we were being warned even then.

    But I do agree, the succeeding generations seem to have embraced a level of retardation that even we hadn’t reached, except for the Clintons, Obamas and George W. Bush – boomers every one.

  183. @Intelligent Dasein

    There is no example of automation ever reducing the amount of human labor required to get something done.

    That’s what you wrote, ID. That statement is ludicrous. What do you want done, a bushel of wheat grown or a ton of coal mined? How much human labor does it take today to get the bushel of wheat grown or that ton of coal brought to the surface? It’s not even close.

    Now, if you had written “There is more human labor being expended now, due to more people on this earth, than has been ever before”, that would fit in with the rest of your replies. I don’t know man, I agree with you most of the time, but it sounds like that ’bout with the Kung Flu put your off your game. COVID-one-niner, what CAN’T it do?!

    .

    PS: Yes, I’m counting building the big CAT machines that do the job and producing the diesel that powers them.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  184. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I appreciate your warnings, Doctor Morgan. Thank you also for the 2 stormer links. That 2nd one was pretty uplifting. I’ve only been to that site once or twice, but I need to change that. I like his style.

  185. Wency says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    When it comes to what’s better, I would agree. To live in a low-cost-of-living place is ideal. There’s a reason I chose to live in a semi-rural area in the South.

    My point was just about the nature of politics. Taking a look at this thread, I see that others made my point already. Negative population growth is never going to win politically for very long, because the people who benefit, or expect to benefit from immigration in the short run have more collective political power than those who lose from it. And the short run is all that matters to a collapsing population, because people who don’t have posterity don’t care about posterity. And as the process of mass immigration progresses, the nation itself goes from a concrete to an abstract to an incoherent concept — no one cares about its fate.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  186. @Achmed E. Newman

    I said what I meant, and I meant what I said. And if you would just think about it for a moment, you would see that I am right.

    It is literally impossible for a machine to reduce the amount of effort it takes to complete a task, for the rather obvious reason that now you have both the original task plus the task of making the machine. I’m waiting to see one of my IYI detractors explain how this somehow requires less effort. And the very existence of any machine presumes an entire industrial milieu necessary to produce it and to set up the conditions for its functioning. Automobiles, for instance, require not only ancillary iron smelting, rubber and plastic, and glass industries, but also a network of serviceable roads, without which they are useless.

    There is a reason why the Industrial Revolution required huge inputs of coal, oil, and hydropower: It takes a hell of a lot more energy to do things things this way, to use machines. And the end result of every machine process is something that was formerly either done by hand or done without.

    Now tell me, where is the labor “saved”? Who now is working less? Not the human race as a whole, certainly. More output means more work was done. This ought to go without saying.

    Machines multiply the amount of work required because they vastly increase the exigencies of every end product.

  187. anon[490] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    “Old men tell themselves that women like RUDs (royal ugly dudes) because they want it to be so, not because it is so. ”

    There is a saying among Russian women: “A man must be prettier than a gorilla.”

  188. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosie

    Evidently these things are not necessary, because Israel hasn’t done any of these things.

    Israel is an outlier. It’s not quite a First World country and it’s not quite a Middle Eastern country. It has a culture of extreme paranoia – they see themselves as being surrounded by enemies who want to destroy them. They also have an imperialist mindset, a bit like western Europeans in the 19th century. It’s one of the few nations that has been able to pursue an old-fashioned colonialist policy in modern times (rather than the economic/cultural neo-imperialism of the US).

    Prosperity is a fairly recent development for Israel.

    Their high birth rates are mostly driven by various Orthodox sects. Their secular birth rates are not quite so impressive. And birth rates among secular Israelis will fall as they become steadily more prosperous and more pozzed.

    I don’t think you can draw any meaningful conclusions from Israel.

    • Replies: @iffen
  189. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    Well this is where I see conservatism being one big fat failure.

    Conservatives aren’t going to solve the problems facing us because they don’t want to solve those problems.

    The dumbest political meme of all time was the cuckservative meme. It was based on the idea that conservatives are cowardly ineffectual losers. They’re not. They’re winners. It’s just that their idea of winning isn’t the same as ours.

    Conservatives don’t give a damn if ordinary people are suffering. They have their snouts in the trough and that’s what matters. That’s winning. Who cares if millions of people live lives of despair without any hope? The stock market is booming! That’s winning. Who cares about gradual social collapse and cultural degeneracy? Conservatives live in nice neighbourhoods. They aren’t affected by such things. Living in nice neighbourhoods shielded from all the bad stuff – that’s winning!

    Do you think guys like Mitch McConnell think of themselves as losers? They don’t. They think of the rest of us as losers.

    Conservatives are not losers. They’re selfish vicious scum.

  190. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    The facts do not support the claim that Israeli fertility is the result of religion. Even secular Jewish women in Israel have relatively large families. They see it as a duty to their people. The fertility rate for non observant Jewish women in Israel is a very respectable 2.2 kids per woman.

    “Secular” Jewish women are not completely secularized and are somewhat religious. They have around replacement level or slightly above replacement level fertility, but it’s the lowest in Israel compared to the more religious Jewish women:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6241072/

    The largest group of adult Jewish women, 41.8%, self-defines themselves as secular/not religious (ICBS no date, a). We note that substantial proportions of self-identified secular women report at least occasional observance of religious commandments, attend synagogue for major holidays, and rate religious ceremonies as very important in their lives.2 This would suggest that even self-defined secular Jews in Israel are not completed secularized. Secular women have the lowest number of children on average among all Jewish religiosity groups, but maintain replacement-level or just above replacement-level cohort fertility across birth cohorts of the 1950s and 1960s (Okun 2013).

    Religiosity in Israel is a proxy for greater patriarchy and gender inequality. The more religious and thus more patriarchal and gender unequal Jews in Israel have the highest fertility:

    Important examples are the association between religiosity, gender relations, and gender inequality (Goldscheider et al. 2014). Goldscheider (1999, 2015) suggests that among the more religious in Israel (Jews or Muslims), the role of women is linked primarily with family and childbearing and is not viewed as equal to that of men. He puts forth this great(er) asymmetry between women and men’s roles among the religious, as compared with the secular, as a primary reason for the higher fertility levels of the former subpopulations. Moreover, the effects of norms concerning women’s roles may operate through marriage and exposure to sexual intercourse, rather than, or in addition to, the use of birth control and abortion. Thus, Goldscheider has emphasized the importance of religion’s influence on values regarding family life and gender roles.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  191. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    “Non observant” doesn’t mean non-religious.

    Yes, that is pretty much what it means. Most people in the world believe in God, but don’t go to Church or religious services on a regular basis, if ever. These people are, for all intents and purposes, secular.

    Moreover, the Ultra-Orthodox in Israel have a fertility rate of 7.1, which is much higher and swamps the non-observant rate.

    True, but not the point. The question is whether secular societies can have stable, replacement-level birth rates. The answer: yes, they can, but only if they value their existence as a people, like the Jews do.

  192. anon[697] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It is literally impossible for a machine to reduce the amount of effort it takes to complete a task, for the rather obvious reason that now you have both the original task plus the task of making the machine.

    That’s just silly. Let’s have a rock-moving contest. You shall use your mighty arm muscles, I’ll use a machine called the “lever”, which will consist of a stout tree branch and a smallish rock. Time to make my machine – a couple of minutes, max. Chances of my victory – nearly 1.0 for a collection of rocks massing over 20 kilos or so. You may get a head start, but I’ll move more in a shorter time before long.

    Do you have a fever? You are not making sense.

  193. Rosie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    To elaborate on your disagree tab:

    If your spouse is not your best friend, then someone else is, and your spouse is not going to like having to compete with someone else for your time. The good book says:

    23And the man said: “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of man she was taken.” 24For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

    It doesn’t say a man should cleave to his buddies or his mannerbund or whatever right-wing reactionaries are calling it nowadays.

    Even if it wasn’t spelled out in so many words, the priority of the marital relationship is evident in the fabric of nature itself. Human infants, born helpless, are labor intensive. Men don’t get a pass on the nurturing duties.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  194. @Intelligent Dasein

    You first said human effort, as in human energy, ID.

    Whatever. Even if you didn’t mean that, you are just plain wrong. Humans are very inefficient moving around by walking. Most of the energy is spent moving mass around, and it’s all irreversible processes (as in, energy wasted as un-recoverable increases in temperature. “Irreversible” is the thermo. definition.) Think about this, when you set a treadmill up for 0 slope, how do you calculate the calorie burn? Put another way, why do you calculate calorie burn? Per basic physics, you are doing no physical work running with the belt at level. Why are you sweating then?

    Let’s go to the simple bicycle. It is much more efficient in converting muscle power to kinetic energy than a sprint is. One can carry 50 lb (excluding the bike, say) for 20 miles and not be beat, as one would walking. Are you telling me that there’s some physical law that says the manufacturing of the bike will always take more energy than that bike saves (saves, as in, not so much is going to the atmosphere via body heat) over the years. I had a Huffy from Target that lasted over 10 years. It could have gone 20, if I hadn’t let it go to rot. Is there some physical law that says my routine maintenance on the bike and occasional parts will always cost more in energy to make than I saved with it.

    One can extrapolate that to a big Caterpillar backhoe compared to humans with shovels … working in red clay, by the way! That Cat and its diesel fuel, and it’s hydraulic fluid, and it’s maintenance can do the work in 10 years of how many, a thousand men* over the same period? It may have taken 10,000 men to design the thing, but then that is done ONCE. From then on, the development gets cheaper and cheaper per unit. It may have taken 1,000 men to build all the pieces and assemble it, but that wouldn’t take 10 years apiece, would it? (It’d average to more like minutes to hours.)

    “More output means more work gets done.” Yeah! By machines! Which are MUCH more efficient energy-wise than humans. The work output does not have to equal the work input to build all of it. It has to be less than the energy in the fossil fuels behind it all, but who cares? That’s why God make the dinos. It wasn’t for the good cuts of rump roast.

    .

    * Sorry, feminists, I just used “men” here instead of “people” to be expedient, due to the fact that any women on the job would spend the time holding the orange signs by the road and flirting with motorists. Take no offense.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  195. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Blah, blah, blah . More irrelevant rambling.

    It doesn’t matter that religious Israelis have higher fertility. The question is whether secular societies can achieve replacement-level fertility. The answer is yes, they can.

    Religiosity in Israel is a proxy for greater patriarchy and gender inequality.

    Orthodox Jewish women have exactly the same rights as any others.

  196. @Achmed E. Newman

    You guys simply are not getting it.

    Rational discussion is availing nothing because your intellect is not even engaged. You will not understand.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @anon
  197. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosie

    The question is whether secular societies can achieve replacement-level fertility. The answer is yes, they can.

    Demographic decline started at different time in different places and proceeded at different speeds.

    In the West it’s been a very slow very gradual process over the course of more than a century. It began much much later in East Asia but in East Asia it happened much more quickly.

    It’s possible that Israel’s particular geographical location, peculiar history and various unusual societal circumstances have meant that demographic collapse among the secular population is only just beginning there.

  198. @Intelligent Dasein

    you … have [a] reading comprehension problem.

    You failed to answer the question.  You lose.

  199. @Intelligent Dasein

    It is literally impossible for a machine to reduce the amount of effort it takes to complete a task, for the rather obvious reason that now you have both the original task plus the task of making the machine.

    Then why were the Luddites upset about the introduction of spinning and weaving machines?

    We enjoy massive amounts of cheap fabric which could never have come about if there were not huge savings of labor over their manual production.  For fuck’s sake, we enjoy massively cheaper automobiles which could never have come about without huge savings of labor via stamping and welding robots.  You have gone insane, if you were ever sane to begin with.

  200. @Intelligent Dasein

    Rational discussion is availing nothing because your intellect is not even engaged. You will not understand.

    Ironically, you are the prime example of this.

  201. @Intelligent Dasein

    It is literally impossible for a machine to reduce the amount of effort it takes to complete a task, for the rather obvious reason that now you have both the original task plus the task of making the machine.

    That may literally be the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. And that’s including flat Earthers, Feng Shui and alien abduction stories.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  202. @Jus' Sayin'...

    OK, Gen-Xer! OK, Gen-Yer! OK, Zoomer! OK, Millennial!

    It’s your world. Welcome to it!

    Whether delivered well or ill, the inheritance shall be theirs to inherit. On all sides, excuses are empty.

    We Boomers enjoyed extraordinary levels of liberty, freedom, and material well-being. Until recently I agonized that these have been gradually stolen from our children until none will be left for our posterity. I no longer care since it seems that a majority of the newer generations are aiding and abetting those who are robbing them of what was once their birthright.

    Is it a majority, if recent immigrants and their children are excluded?

    Perhaps.

  203. @Rosie

    Men don’t get a pass on the nurturing duties.

    Kindly quit nagging.

  204. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    I don’t think you can draw any meaningful conclusions from Israel.

    Jews are good at carving out territory for a national state?

    • LOL: Talha
  205. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    It doesn’t matter that religious Israelis have higher fertility. The question is whether secular societies can achieve replacement-level fertility. The answer is yes, they can.

    Israel isn’t a secular society. A strong majority of adult Jewish women in Israel are religious, close to 60%. A minority of adult Jewish women are secular, around 40%. In such a society, the religious majority is going to have strong social and cultural influence and set the tone on family and fertility. And the secular minority is going to consist of many lapsed and formerly religious types with still religious inclinations and family and friends who influence them. Furthermore, things like marriage, divorce, and family law are governed by religious law and rabbinical courts for everyone, even if they’re secular.

    Orthodox Jewish women have exactly the same rights as any others.

    Marriage, divorce, family law, etc. are governed by religious law and rabbinical courts in Israel. Women are not allowed to divorce without their husbands’ permission:

    “In Israel, Jewish Divorce Is Granted Only By Husband’s Permission”

    https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/03/01/389873594/in-israel-jewish-divorce-is-only-granted-by-husbands-permission

    “In Israel, religious law governs family matters.

    For a Jewish divorce, an Orthodox rabbi oversees a ritual that begins with the husband placing a folded decree, called a get or gett, into the wife’s cupped hands. But that paper can be hard to obtain, because the husband can refuse to grant the divorce.”

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  206. anon[740] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Rational discussion is availing nothing because your intellect is not even engaged. You will not understand.

    Irony.

    Plato and Aristotle would get this. Yet you can’t? Strange.

  207. @Cloudbuster

    So, the stupidest thing you’ve every heard is a basic statement that is self-evidently and trivially true? Why are you denying the obvious?

    It’s because all you have is a narrative. You neither understand nor think about anything. Neither does Mr. Rational—he’s infamous for this, in fact. He reads a bunch of popular science books and regurgitates their pseudo-academic scribbling as if it were gospel. Achmed is an aerospace enthusiast and former campus bicycling dork with a bad haircut.

    You are, all of you, hypnotized by some rather heavy propaganda. Put aside your Whig talking points and open your eyes for a moment. Now try to explain—which should be easy for you, because it’s so stupid—how more industrialization requires less total effort.

    The premise cannot be explained because it is wrong and ridiculous. But you, Rational, Achmed, and some silly anon have wedded yourselves to this utterly absurd proposition in an attempt to —what? Be clever? Be right? Help or explain or elucidate anything?

    No, you’re just protecting a narrative and avoiding cognitive dissonance, because you don’t know anything else.

  208. vinteuil says:
    @nebulafox

    I give: I’m sneaking a shot of whisky.

    So much for my short-lived resolve to follow your example and go dry.

    But I’ll make do with my usual beer. Can’t stand whisky.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @iffen
    , @nebulafox
  209. iffen says:
    @vinteuil

    3 day wagon trip, start over tomorrow, Hope Springs Eternal.

  210. @anon

    To be fair, Plato and Aristotle were geniuses. That certainly doesn’t describe Unintelligent Dasein.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  211. nebulafox says:
    @vinteuil

    I actually didn’t do it! I was holding the bottle, and I was like: “Wait a minute. I *hate* whisky-even when I was a drunkard, I wouldn’t touch it, and I’m only doing this because it is the only alcohol in the home. Am I really going to be a slave to this?”

    IMO, drinking is fun and relaxing if you can handle it. I can’t, so I’m not going to. I can’t say whether you are there or not, but if you are, I’m truly sorry for messing that up.

    (That, and if you want to completely overhaul your body, going dry helps a lot. Alcohol inhibits muscle growth. 🙂 )

    Now time to cut out another addiction.

    • Replies: @anon
  212. Adûnâi says: • Website

    213 responses, and not a single mention of the word “incel”? Interesting. I might say a few things:

    1) the conjectured fall in birth rate stemming from the lockdowns will probably affect the Aryans more than the Negroes/Latinos, so the Whitie will lose again;

    2) the pride in not wearing masks is a peculiar derangement characteristic of the anarchic spirit of Christian America which can only invoke a sense of national unity when they have to destroy a resurgence of Heathenery/atheism in a brotherly Aryan nation (see Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany 1944-1947 by Thomas Goodrich);

    3) dating is gay; marriage advice is gay likewise when the entire society is gay;

    4) the foundation of Israel as a Jewish ethnostate is Christian America. So far, the Jews have proved out too weak even to exterminate/expel the Palestinians from Judaea (the West Bank). The future of the Jews after the withering away of their Occidental goyim seems to be either annihilation, Turkic protectorate, or a return to Diaspora.

    • Replies: @Talha
  213. Talha says:
    @Adûnâi

    Turkic protectorate

    My money is on Hashemite Protectorate…and no, not that one.

    Peace.

  214. @nebulafox

    There’s a certain intensity, though, that you don’t see everywhere else. Doing high-level math is akin to SEAL training for the left brain.

    Seal training?

    Like getting poor posture from sitting in a chair all day and your only break being from sitting in yet another meeting with middle managers droning on to feel important? Then you go home at night because you never saw the sun and then they text you on your day off to ask about some stupid project that really doesn’t matter but these are middle manager losers with nothing better to do. Yea I’ve seen that on TV.

    If you don’t have the empirical experience, what else can you do but take your cues from the popular culture surrounding you?

    Going off TV/book lines to a limited extent can have surprisingly good results, TBH, but you need to match that with the mannerisms, the expressions, etc, and these guys don’t. Not to mention that they are simply copying the scripts wholesale.

    Books about women? Anyone that writes a book about women is just trying to sell books. Sounds just as dubious as “get rich” motivational speakers. They’re gonna make you rich after you give them money. Right.

    There is no reason to bring the term empirical evidence into the conversation. All these guys need to do is spend time around guys that are comfortable around women and stop reading incel garbage.

    Men who don’t fill these conditions are disinclined to do this on a visceral, gut level, because marriage to a certain extent is a tacit admission that you are happy with the broad contours of your life and personality, if you are male.

    You are overthinking it. Men should get married because there aren’t that many women out there. If you find one you genuinely like being around then call it good.

  215. @Anonymous

    Israel isn’t a secular society. A strong majority of adult Jewish women in Israel are religious, close to 60%. A minority of adult Jewish women are secular, around 40%.

    That’s actually not something you can reliably poll with a cohesive group, especially if they have been persecuted in the past.

    Do you support your bloodkin faith that favors your ethnic minority?

    You can’t poll everything. That’s actually one of the first lessons in statistics.

    My favorite is still “Blacks poll as less likely to use drugs as Whites”.

  216. @Rosie

    The conventional wisdom is that women care about more about status, but men are constantly jockeying for position amongst themselves, and I think women are a part of that.

    I think this is more the result of dog eat dog environments.

    I actually don’t think that women care as much about status in environments where they feel their children will have access to adequate resources.

    Status is just a filler for reliable wealth. Someone of high status isn’t on the daily grind.

    All of society of messed up and there isn’t a single gender to blame.

    • Replies: @anon
  217. anon[774] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    Now time to cut out another addiction.

    Good idea. Did you ever read Biology of Desire? If not you need to.

    In your list of “addictions to cut out”, IMO you should put “Poasting to Unz” at the very bottom. Because it’s really not a serious problem.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  218. @anon

    Hmmm, oh yes, I had for gotten that levers were “energy creators.”

    Seriously, you should know that no lever, pulley, inclined plane, or any other simple machine reduces at all the amount of work required to move a load. It just distributes the work over a greater quantity of displacement, and thereby actually increases frictional loses. This is very basic physics. You do know this stuff, right?

    Once again, you aren’t even listening to what I’m saying. You’re rattling off boilerplate because you lack even the lightest contact with reality. All you have is a narrative that tells you “Machines save labor, man,” and you are completely unable to handle any kind of facts or analysis.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  219. anon[649] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    “All of society of messed up and there isn’t a single gender to blame. ”

    We have so many nowadays; surely you can find *one.*

    • LOL: John Johnson
  220. anon[649] • Disclaimer says:

    “Men pursue beauty and women pursue status. ”

    Men often pursue beauty to *obtain* status: “arm candy.” They marry a pretty but then hustle off to some rock ugly mistress to really get it on with.

  221. nebulafox says:
    @anon

    No, I’ll check that out. The book’s premise on how the “addiction model” is flawed does intrigue me.

    >Because it’s really not a serious problem.

    It’s not this website in particular.

    >They marry a pretty but then hustle off to some rock ugly mistress to really get it on with.

    Penises don’t have eyes.

  222. anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Hmmm, oh yes, I had for gotten that levers were “energy creators.”

    Non sequitur.

    Once again, you aren’t even listening to what I’m saying.

    I’m reading what you are writing, but cannot detect any reasoning behind it, just raw emotion.

    You’re rattling off boilerplate because you lack even the lightest contact with reality.

    This is very ironic.

  223. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Revisiting this comment:

    Seriously, you should know that no lever, pulley, inclined plane, or any other simple machine reduces at all the amount of work required to move a load. It just distributes the work over a greater quantity of displacement, and thereby actually increases frictional loses. This is very basic physics. You do know this stuff, right?

    It is possible that you may be attempting some sort of argument consisting of handwaving in the general direction of the laws of thermodynamics. Something like “Entropy exists, so in the long run, machines are really useless”, perhaps? If that’s the case, you just don’t know what you are writing about, and have apparently never done any real, physical work – never even spaded a garden, or moved a rock. Sure, in the long run John M. Keynes is still dead, but so what? We still must go and weed a garden in some sense of the term, or perish from hunger. Better tools make the gardening more efficient, leaving time for long, drawn out pointless debates or even useful tasks such as trimming one’s toenails.

    Whatever argument you are attempting to make, it’s not coherent. Not in the sense of elementary physics, not in any economic manner, not even in the sense of ordinary back-yard vegetable husbandry.

    Honestly, I cannot tell if you are just cargo-culting a lot of terminology from books that you really do not understand, or if you are over-over-over thinking to the point of incoherence…but I really can’t discern what you are attempting to communicate. Sincere thanks for a calm response, that’s helpful and a good thing for all of us.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  224. @anon

    I said machines do not save labor, for the umpteenth time. What is it about this you do not understand?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Mr. Rational
  225. anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I said machines do not save labor, for the umpteenth time.

    For what definition of the term “labor”?
    Economic, Marxist, backyard garden husbandry, or something else?
    Please be specific. Definitions matter.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  226. Sean says:
    @Rosie

    That’s why I increasingly think that fornication should be banned (White Sharia!).

    Homicidal mafioso Sonny Franzese was the youngest of 13 children, before he died at the age of 103 he’s been accused of rape, killed dozens of men, and had hung out with celebrities like Sinatra at the Copacabana, which is where he met Jayne Mansfield and Marilyn Monroe, who he dated (Robert Kennedy was jealous and Franzese was subjected to uniquely intensive targeting by law enforcement as a result) I doubt Sonny and similar alpha males who are actually getting sex want to boast to buddies about having sex more than actually having sex. Testosterone makes men competitive even violent, and also desirous of having sex. I would assume that men are driven to try to assert themselves in various ways , but boasting about having sex is to my way of thinking a form of social grooming like locker room conversations that women never hear. Women want to see men in a situation where the best among many can be assessed and selected. Men want to swagger into to the Copacabana with a beautiful women on each arm because then they are assessed as mating material, having proven skills at spreading their genes, which they will pass on to their ‘Sexy Sons’.

    John Gotti was also one of 13 , I suppose his career is the evidence that his father was high testosterone, but also the number of siblings is, I think, evidence that his mother found his father very sexually attractive. In no fornication monogamy (a strict Catholic society for example) high testosterones handsome males are still going to have a huge advantage, just not as big as in polygyny. In the current Weird Weird West the less educated native men are increasingly childless in recent decades, but not through choice, which I suppose is partly to do with the influx of immigrant males. Highly educated men started becoming voluntarily childless four decades ago. Maybe there is something about low testosterone that raises intelligence leading to men less interested in having children even as their women are less interested in having children with them.

    • Replies: @Talha
  227. @Intelligent Dasein

    I said machines do not save labor, for the umpteenth time.

    And you’re totally full of shit, as you have been from the beginning.

    I spent some time working in an appliance plant.  One of the operations there was stamping, to make lids for the machines.  Every few seconds, a new length of roll steel would feed into the press, the ram would descend and several new lids would pop out when it came back up.  These lids would be put on hooks on a conveyor and go through the paint process.

    You could form such lids using a sheet metal brake, hammers and other hand tools but it would take hours to form one lid.  The dies for the press had to have taken days to make in a die shop, but once made they were good for years and tens if not hundreds of thousands of units of product.  The upshot is that a lid that would cost hundreds of dollars of labor to make by hand was stamped out at a marginal cost of under a buck.

    Much of the cost difference between limited-run sports cars like Lamborghinis and Chevys is that the former’s body panels are hand-beaten, while Chevys are stamped.

    Machines most certainly DO save labor.

  228. Talha says:
    @Sean

    the number of siblings is, I think, evidence that his mother found his father very sexually attractive. In no fornication monogamy (a strict Catholic society for example) high testosterones handsome males are still going to have a huge advantage, just not as big as in polygyny.

    Probably the most well-known physical object that remains as a testament of a man’s love for his wife is the Taj Mahal. Emperor Shah Jahan built it for his wife, Mumtaz Mahal, who died either giving birth (or shortly after) to their 14th child. He had other wives, but it was obvious who held first place in his heart.

    Peace.

  229. @Mr. Rational

    Machines most certainly DO save labor.

    Pretty crazy that you actually have to argue this.

    But I guess this is Unz where even the industrial revolution is up for debate

    Imagine how many horse drawn carts you would need to haul everything on a steam train.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  230. @Mr. Rational

    You are not looking at anything correctly, as is your wont.

    The stamping is not the task. The whole industrial process is “the task.” You need to add in the manufacture of the machine and its parts, the energy it requires, the transmission lines that provide it with the energy, the mining and transportation of raw materials, and the distribution network that makes them saleable. When you do this, stamping one appliance lid requires the labor of thousands of people.

    Stamping machines do not just fall out of the sky. Every industrial process presumes a thousand other processes without which it would not even be possible. Each machine exists in an economic milieu that requires untold millions of man-hours every day to maintain. This whole vast milieu is the apples-to-apples comparison, not the individual machine operator compared with the individual handicraft worker. This is why industrial societies require so much more energy inputs than traditional societies—because so much more must be done.

    If you really can’t understand this than you’re bloviating, but that’s pretty much your speed. You have never understood anything except your stupid narratives.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @anon
    , @Mr. Rational
    , @anon
  231. Thomm says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Well said. Few understand the interconnectedness of various processes, whether mechanical or software-specific.

    If you really can’t understand this than you’re bloviating, but that’s pretty much your speed. You have never understood anything except your stupid narratives.

    That is putting it mildly. Mr. (T)rashional is a standard-issue 70-IQ WN w*gg*r.

  232. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    But I guess this is Unz where even the industrial revolution is up for debate

    Oh come on, you don’t believe that the industrial revolution actually happened do you? It’s the biggest hoax in history. It never happened because so-called “steam power” never existed.

    Next you’ll be telling me that “heavier-than-air” flight is possible. Have you seen those pictures of the Wright brothers early flights? They’re obviously faked.

  233. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You did not answer a simple question regarding your claim; define “labor”. That’s not good.

    Let’s assume a requirement: dig a hole 1 meter by 1 meter by 1 meter in some sort of standard soil.

    1. Do so with bare hands / fingers. Record the time required, estimate the watts expended.

    2. Do so with a shovel. Again record the time required and energy expended.

    This site should provide you with a start.

    https://courses.lumenlearning.com/physics/chapter/7-8-work-energy-and-power-in-humans/

    Now we have two numbers in watt/hours.

    You want to include the “labor”, whatever you mean by that, to make a shovel. Very well, that can be determined as well, however bear in mind that this isn’t some past era where the village smithy under the spreading chestnut tree hammers out shovels one at a time. This is the era when one goes to the hardware store, picks out a shovel, pays for it and goes home. You’ll want to include the “labor”, whatever that is, of the entire hardware store. But of course the hardware store sells thousands of things and has multiple employees, so the actual total overhead of the store vis a vis a single shovel is just not that large.

    In this era, hundreds of shovels can be made in one shift. The “labor” per shovel is very small – that’s how “labor saving devices” tend to affect production, as all economists are aware.

    Now you’ll want the “labor, whatever that is, to create the machines. That can be determined as well, but such things as large industrial forces, power hammers, etc. are also not just one-offs but are also made in factories. Perhaps you want also the “labor”, whatever that is, involved in the creation of natural gas and oil.

    Say, the shovel handle is wood. Do you want to include the “labor” of solar radiation involved in that particular tree’s growth? A tree provides more than one shovel handle, so even there it’s a partial term.

    It appears you desire some large integral (if a continuous function) or summation (discrete function) in order to prove that “labor saving devices do not save labor”. The data required isn’t infinite but it is larger than anything you’ve likely worked with before.

    The meta question is obvious: why do you care? What difference does this make?

    This has become a habit with you: make some rather outlandish statement, insult anyone who questions you, provide zero factual support for your statement, wave your hands around in some general fashion while asserting anyone who disagrees with you is stupid…and then, eventually, go on to something else.

    What’s the point of this exercise? You can’t and won’t prove your “labor saving doesn’t save labor” claim, you can’t and won’t prove your “there’s no population problem in Africa” claim either.

    It looks like displacement activity. Something offline is vexing you, and you can’t fix it, so you come online and pick arguments with various strangers in order to get dopamine hits that calm you down.

    I suggest you read the wisdom of Solomon. It’s not a long book, and it is full of wisdom.

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/ecclesiastes/

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  234. @Intelligent Dasein

    You are not looking at anything correctly, as is your wont.

    You are an idiot, as is your wont.

    The stamping is not the task. The whole industrial process is “the task.” You need to add in the manufacture of the machine and its parts, the energy it requires, the transmission lines that provide it with the energy, the mining and transportation of raw materials, and the distribution network that makes them saleable. When you do this, stamping one appliance lid requires the labor of thousands of people.

    And those thousands of people have VASTLY more product for their labor than they had before those advances.  If you had half a brain, that would tell you something.  Sadly, you lack even half a brain.

    Stamping machines do not just fall out of the sky. Every industrial process presumes a thousand other processes without which it would not even be possible. Each machine exists in an economic milieu that requires untold millions of man-hours every day to maintain.

    That’s true, but it’s far from a fraction of the truth.  The truth is that the division of labor multiplies the product of that labor.  If you had half a brain, you’d understand that this multiplication came to the benefit of millions and billions of people.

    The sad truth is that you lack the intelligence to understand this.  You lack even half a brain, and have no business calling yourself “intelligent” anything.

  235. @anon

    The meta question is obvious: why do you care?

    The actual meta-question is, “Why are you digging the hole?” The answer to that makes everything else I’ve said fall into place.

    Meanwhile, you should be advised that your Jesuitical attempts at misdirection, character assassination, and baffling with bullshit are not going to work with me. I know what you’re doing; it’s obvious to anybody reading the thread with objectivity and detachment. You may have gotten away with this back in high school, but the real world has no time or patience for your egotistical graspings.

    I’ve provided nothing but “factual support” for everything I’ve said. You deny it because you are a liar and a fraud. And do not quote the scriptures at me, Satan. By your own words I condemn you.

    Vanity of vanities, said Ecclesiastes vanity of vanities, and all is vanity. What hath a man more of all his labour, that he taketh under the sun?

    • Replies: @anon
  236. @Rosie

    The rockstar example is relevant, though. Men would rather have a one night stand with an unknown attractive 20 yo than a famous female musician who is physically unattractive.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @iffen
  237. Talha says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    There may be exceptions to the rule for this, but I’d put it at like 1% of men or possibly a rounding error.

    Peace.

  238. anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The actual meta-question is, “Why are you digging the hole?” The answer to that makes everything else I’ve said fall into place.

    Lol, no, the actual meta question is “when you are in a hole, why are you digging it deeper”? Once again, you handwave away your own claims, that’s pretty sophomoric.

    Meanwhile, you should be advised that your Jesuitical attempts at misdirection, character assassination, and baffling with bullshit are not going to work with me.

    This is handwaving. All the misdirection is on your side.

    Define the term “labor”, if you actually wish to prove any kind of point.

    I know what you’re doing; it’s obvious to anybody reading the thread with objectivity and detachment. You may have gotten away with this back in high school, but the real world has no time or patience for your egotistical graspings.

    I’m asking questions, and you cannot provide answers. Why you prefer to hurl angry words vs. calm analysis of your thought experiment is something only you can answer.

    In the real world, your claim regarding “labor saving” can be tested within some margin of error in terms of energy and time. You do not want to do that, perhaps you cannot do that.

    Define the term “labor” as you are using it. That would be a good first step to actually prove your claim. It is telling that you refuse to do so.

    I’ve provided nothing but “factual support” for everything I’ve said.

    No. You have not. You will not even define the word “labor” in your own terms. If you cannot or will not define your terms, there can be no good-faith discussion.

    You deny it because you are a liar and a fraud.

    Show where I have lied, then. If you can. Or define the term “labor”. Or derive from first principles the watts / hour required to dig a hole with and without a shovel.

    Something other than hand waving and name calling would be a good step. Can you do it?

    And do not quote the scriptures at me, Satan. By your own words I condemn you.

    The condemnation of men is under authority of God. Do you now claim to be God? Or just some random god or other?

    Vanity of vanities, said Ecclesiastes vanity of vanities, and all is vanity. What hath a man more of all his labour, that he taketh under the sun?

    Do you have a mirror? Can you look in it and see yourself?

    You need some help. Seriously, the anger you carry around is getting worse and it’s got to be eating you up inside.

  239. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I agree, unless you are talking about Grace Slick.

    • Replies: @anon
  240. @Rosie

    South Korea is highly nationalistic for a developed country and has the lowest fertility rate of any normal country in the world. Singapore is also highly nationalistic and has an even lower one, but it is a city state.

    It seems that nationalism does not improve fertility. Patriarchal norms do instead, and few people want those once they have money to live a life with individuation.

    But, why adopt a persona based on sex stereotypes if you don’t need to in order to survive? Neither men nor women want all that comes (and does not come) with traditional roles.

    If participants would start from this point of consensus, then those interested in the continuity of their civilisations may finally have an honest and informed discussion.

  241. anon[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    I agree, unless you are talking about Grace Slick.

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