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Among members of the Democrat coalition, POCs are relatively more pro-life than their white allies are:

Perhaps the GOP could more successfully pander to non-whites by holding the line on the social conservatism it allegedly believes to be virtuous instead of perpetually trailing in the shadow of the DNC on cultural issues, apologizing for functioning as progressivism driving the speed limit.

CCES variables used: CC18_409(2), race(1-4), CC18_414E

 
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  1. Nodwink says:

    If blacks are IQ-deficient, and blacks are more socially conservative than other populations, then it stands to reason that social conservatism is a tendency among people with lower intelligence.

  2. Jay Fink says:

    Even if blacks are anti-abortion they arent passionate enough about it to vote Republican over one issue.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy
  3. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jay Fink

    Also being against the public funding of abortion doesn’t necessarily equate to being anti-abortion.

  4. OT in part but would like to share some numbers rapidly circulating on some key AE-type topics, specifically the USA civil war watch … numbers saying the situation is worse than we might guess

    61% of USA people are said to feel their 2nd civil war is near, along with stockpiling supplies, firearms, ammunition, with even ‘anti-gun’ people buying weapons

    Over 40% of USA party voters are said to feel political violence will be justified if the ‘other side’ wins this US election

    USA now is compared to 1934 Spain, when two sides became polarised, and nearly evenly divided; election results were widely disbelieved; and a large wave of mob street violence and killings began … eventually leading to the Franco coup of 1936 and the 1936-39 civil war

    Sources:

    A majority of Americans are bracing for the possibility of a politically-fired civil war, and more than half are already stockpiling food and other essential items to survive and fight back, according to a new survey shared with Secrets.

    In the survey, 61% said that the United States is nearing a second civil war, including a shocking 41% who “strongly agree” with that assessment.

    And 52% are so convinced that it is just around the corner, or after Election Day, that they are putting away food and other essentials, an historic expansion of the prepper movement that has been brewing for years, now driven by fear and coronavirus-induced shortages.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/powder-keg-61-say-us-on-verge-of-civil-war-52-already-prepping

    In September, 44 percent of Republicans and 41 percent of Democrats said there would be at least “a little” justification for violence if the other party’s nominee wins the election. Those figures are both up from June, when 35 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of Democrats expressed the same sentiment.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/01/political-violence-424157

    On the Spanish mob violence and civil war 1934-39 parallels to the USA today –

    https://ammo.com/articles/spanish-civil-war-prelude-wwii-todays-america

    1934 leftist violence in Spanish streets begins to rage, encouraged by leftist establishment, as in USA

    As in the USA, leftists have slight majority, but election results are doubted everywhere the other side seems to win

    Tension increases for two years, till Franco starts the rightest coup

    The right tended to unite, whilst leftists turned on one another, so Franco won

    • Thanks: John Regan
  5. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nodwink

    I think it is actually quite bi-modal instead. Social conservatism, broadly speaking, appeals to a) those too dim to entertain a lot of abstract analytical thinking and thus see no reason to criticize or deviate from inherited traditions, and b) those who are wise enough to see the pitfalls of social liberalism from a historical and psychological perspective.

    Meanwhile in the middle are those bright enough to consider abstract notions like “equality” and “freedom of choice” but not bright enough to question their own biases and ask “Could the downsides to discarding social traditions and bonds outweigh the upside?” aka social liberals.

  6. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nodwink

    If blacks are IQ-deficient, and blacks are more socially conservative than other populations, then it stands to reason that social conservatism is a tendency among people with lower intelligence.

    If every A is C, and every B is C, then every A is B.
    I believe this is the logic error you are committing.
    You might take time to review Aristotle’s syllogisms.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
  7. @Nodwink

    If blacks are IQ-deficient, and blacks are more socially conservative than other populations, then it stands to reason that social conservatism is a tendency among people with lower intelligence.

    Seriously?

    If birds are vertebrates, and birds are more likely to fly than other kinds of animals, then it stands to reason (!) that the ability to fly is a tendency among animals with backbones.

    I’ll be back in a few years, everybody. I’m gonna walk across the United States as a fundraising stunt to benefit early childhood education.

  8. Realist says:
    @Nodwink

    What the chart shows is that white Democrats are the most stupid of all Democrats.

  9. @Jay Fink

    Even if blacks are anti-abortion they arent passionate enough about it to vote Republican over one issue.

    True. But ballot-proposition states (like CA and OR) can use them to stymie liberal legislatures by putting to a statewide votes popular causes that would never be unearthed otherwise, eg English-only education. Blacks (temporarily …) blocked gay “marriage” that way a decade or so ago.

    It’s a way to advance sensible policies one by one in states gone completely insane otherwise.

  10. Education is correlated with indoctrination in cultural marxism and Anti-Christianity.

    Blacks and lower class individuals like to talk about “street smarts.” Normal instincts, they’re not squawking tattooed white females with blue hair or their cucks.

    Perhaps “social conservatism” is correlated with recognizing the hostility of the ruling class. Something that doesn’t pay for the more “educated” “cultured” or “upper middle class” professionals. Those “upper middle class” females sure love abortion.

  11. Wyatt says:

    Blacks continue to vote for the party that actively advocates for a practice which disproportionately targets and kills them.

    It’s like a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  12. songbird says:

    The best refutation of the term “conservative” might be the fact that the majority of blacks can be labelled “social conservatives.”

  13. There is a difference between publicly funding abortions and making the procedures legal up to a reasonable limit, such as the end of the first trimester.

    Leave out the public funding part of the abortion issue, and find out what people really think, and while you’re at it, specify at what point during the pregnancy the abortion occurs.

    Most of us would be against publicly funding beach parties.

    We also would be against drunken beach parties that turn violent and cause harm to people. We do not have a problem, however, with self-organized parties of law-abiding citizens. (Well, during COVID-Hysteria, some people are even against those. We’re not allowed to do anything anymore.)

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  14. AaronB says:
    @Nodwink

    That’s true.

    Liberals think in a very abstract way – they think in terms of perfect ideals. It takes intelligence to do that. You have to be able to look at a complicated situation and take from that mess a few ideals.

    The stupider you are, the less you’re able to see beyond the concrete limitations of a situation. You don’t see beyond the immediate.

    No one ever said there can’t be drawbacks to being smart. Smart people can also be smart enough to recognize the problems with being too abstract and develop cures for that. They can realize the wisdom of not being so smart.

    Zen is a good example of a cure for abstract thinking. East Asian culture developed a cure for being too abstract and a method to refocus our attention on the concrete reality before our eyes.

  15. MBlanc46 says:

    And yet 90% of them will vote for Biden-Harris, Dem senators and congresscritters, governors, and state legislators, almost all of whom support taxpayer-funded abortion.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  16. Twinkie says:
    @Nodwink

    If blacks are IQ-deficient, and blacks are more socially conservative than other populations, then it stands to reason that social conservatism is a tendency among people with lower intelligence.

    The person who wrote this fails a basic logical reasoning test and is of lower intelligence.

    • Replies: @Truth
  17. @MBlanc46

    I recall a statistic that 72% of abortions in Mississippi were sought by black women.

    Taxpayer-funded abortion in Mississippi would get my enthusiastic approval.  Also, taxpayer-funded abortion in any blue area.

    • Replies: @Truth
  18. Black people arent stupid, they’re not going to base their vote on abortion.

    Come on, on the one hand the abortion democrat who is going to make it rain for the community. On the other hand the Christian antiabortion republican who is cutting everything and arresting them. Who could possibly vote republican given that information?

    It’s sign tapping time once again: black people are smarter than us.

    Given how many abortions are done to black women, black people have a more nuanced understanding of abortion which is that it’s very bad but sometimes you have to do bad things to survive life.

    Contrast with the white liberal view that abortion — brutally murdering a child — is a good thing to be celebrated and even done just for kicks sometimes to own the cons.

    GOP could some nonwhite votes by holding the line but it would be due to demonstrating they had some balls, not because nonwhite people prioritize enforcing social conservatism.

    The GOP image of being weak useless dweebs is what kills the GOP with minorities more than specific policies. See: big man Trump.

  19. Jay Fink says:
    @Nodwink

    While blacks might hold conservative views on certain social issues it is a stretch to call them social conservatives. The fact that they have the highest % of children being raised without a father in the home shows that overall they are not social conservatives. Another example is that social conservatives favor law and order while blacks break the law more than anyone per capita.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  20. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    The person who wrote this fails a basic logical reasoning test and is of lower intelligence.

    …Like blacks… and social conservatives; I guess that means that everyone is of lower intelligence…

  21. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    That means that roughly 28% of abortions in MS are non-black women…

  22. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jay Fink

    While blacks might hold conservative views on certain social issues it is a stretch to call them social conservatives. The fact that they have the highest % of children being raised without a father in the home shows that overall they are not social conservatives.

    That doesn’t necessarily follow.

    Another example is that social conservatives favor law and order while blacks break the law more than anyone per capita.

    You can have a community with problems and a high crime rate but it’s still possible for most of the members of that community to want law and order. And white liberals can be personally law-abiding and favour abolishing the police.

    • Replies: @songbird
  23. songbird says:
    @dfordoom

    It depends on how one defines these things.

    What does “social conservative” mean? If it means being against homo and transmania, then blacks are probably social conservatives. If it means being for pre-marital abstinence and long-term monogamy, or against welfarism, then blacks are probably not social conservatives.

    Outside a racial context (let’s not forget that’s a very significant context) blacks are probably less likely to be SJWs. But blacks in general have been trained to hate-hate-hate the 1950s, which was one of the most conservative time periods in America. They generally hate America’s past, which one must admit is not really very conservative.

    But the word conservative falls short in many particulars. I don’t think it is a good word strategically. Probably “traditionalist” would be better.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @dfordoom
  24. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @songbird

    What does “social conservative” mean?

    In real life? “Libtard with a 20-year time lag”. IOW it doesn’t mean anything, it’s a dying term about as useful as “Free Soiler” or “Whig”.

    Old people keep on using terms such as “social conservative” because inside their head it’s always 1980-something or maybe 1970-something. . I’m sure old people back in the 60’s were always living in 1930-something or 1920 something. Mental fossilization is part of the human condition, but that doesn’t make it a good thing. Definitions change, but not everyone keeps up with reality.

    It’s like when you’re sitting in an independent coffee place and every tune on their Pandora feed is from 1970-something. It’s ok for a while, but then Fleetwood Mac fatigue sets in.

    Suggest you cut your losses on this.

  25. dfordoom says: • Website
    @songbird

    It depends on how one defines these things.

    What does “social conservative” mean?

    Yeah, like almost all the terms used in political debates these days the term “social conservative” is meaningless unless one defines exactly what one means by it.

    I believe marriage can only be between a man and a woman, that a man wearing a frock is still a man, that you can’t turn a man into a woman through surgery, that homosexuality is a destructive and unhealthy lifestyle choice, that adultery is a very destructive behaviour, that children do better on average if raised by a mother and a father, I believe that homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt children, and that for most people the best chance of a happy life is to get married and have kids. I guess that makes me a social conservative. By today’s standards possibly an extreme social conservative.

    On the other hand I don’t believe that (except in those cases such as rape where one person’s rights are clearly being infringed) the state should have any rôle in policing sexual behaviour, I don’t believe Christians have any right to impose Christian moral values on non-Christians, I don’t have a problem with people committing fornication or masturbation, or watching porn, I think that a woman who chooses (freely chooses) to have sex for money has every right to do so and I believe that a man who chooses to pay for that woman’s sexual services has every right to do so. I believe that people who choose to engage in weird and wacky consensual sexual behaviours should be left the hell alone. I guess that makes me a social libertarian.

    I don’t think using the word “traditionalist” would be all that much of an improvement. Maybe we need to use terms like “social authoritarians” to describe people who want to impose their moral values on others, “social libertinists” to describe those who actually think libertinism should be promoted and encouraged and “social tolerationists” to describe those who prefer traditional moral values but don’t think it’s the business of the state (or of Christians) to impose those values by force or coercion.

  26. @Buzz Mohawk

    Well, during COVID-Hysteria, some people are even against those.

    More than some. It’s most. One of the most discouraging things about aggregating polling data recently is just how damned consistently they all show majorities of respondents wanting to keep everything closed forever.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  27. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    One of the most discouraging things about aggregating polling data recently is just how damned consistently they all show majorities of respondents wanting to keep everything closed forever.

    It’s not surprising. People are scared, and they’re more scared because they’re being told all sorts of contradictory things. And it’s not entirely unreasonable of people to think that those who are advocating opening up the economy again are putting the economy before public safety. Because many of the people who are advocating opening up the economy again are people with a long track record of putting profits before people.

    In such circumstances it’s hardly surprising that most people favour an extreme Safety First approach. They might be wrong, they probably are wrong, but they’re being quite rational in not trusting economists, bankers, mega-corporations, the Republican Party or Trump.

    It doesn’t actually have anything to do with Left or Right. In countries in which right-wing governments (such as the Tories in Britain) have imposed draconian lockdowns most people are in favour of those lockdowns. In countries in which left-wing governments (such as Labour in New Zealand) have imposed draconian lockdowns most people are in favour of those lockdowns. It’s simply that people want lockdowns because they’re scared of infectious diseases.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone

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