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Washington, Oregon, and Colorado conducted all mail voting in 2016 and in 2020. Absolute vote totals at the time of this posting were up by state as follows between 2016 and 2020:

Washington — 22.5%
Oregon — 18.5%
Colorado — 17.1%

The combined increase across that three-state bloc was 19.7%. The national vote total increased by a nearly identical 19.6%. If the shift to nationwide mail-in balloting drove turnout numbers higher–whether legitimately or on account of a significant level of fraud–wouldn’t we expect the three states that have had mail-in voting before to have increased less than the majority of states who added it for the first time in this election?

 
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  1. I’m totally confused.


  2. Your point is generally correct, although you want to look at total voter turn out and it’s absolute level of increase as a metric when comparing these 3 states against the remaining 47.

    • Agree: Jtgw
  3. A lot of money being thrown around for ballot harvesting. Trump supporters had high enthusiasm but Biden didn’t.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @LondonBob

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral hate of Trump by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*. Biden clearly didn’t need the fraud in Wisconsin, as the recount showed.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @A123, @Realist, @anon

    , @Realist
    @LondonBob


    A lot of money being thrown around for ballot harvesting.
     
    Yes, the electoral process in this country is under the control of the Deep State...a Plutocratic Oligarchy.

    A very helpful tool was handed to the Deep State starting forty-four years ago.

    The SCOTUS has passed down egregious decisions that abridge the First Amendment and show contempt for the concept of representative democracy. Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1976 and exacerbated by continuing stupid SCOTUS decisions First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission and McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission.
    These decisions have codified that money is free speech thereby giving entities of wealth and power total influence in elections.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  4. Righteous Negresses


    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Priss Factor

    The eponymous “Oversight Committee.”

    Replies: @Priss Factor

  5. @LondonBob
    A lot of money being thrown around for ballot harvesting. Trump supporters had high enthusiasm but Biden didn't.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Realist

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral hate of Trump by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*. Biden clearly didn’t need the fraud in Wisconsin, as the recount showed.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • LOL: LondonBob
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Supply and Demand

    Do you care to comment on the qualitative chacteristics of the recount that suggest it should be believed? If one of the charges is that machines changed a voters choice, and machines were used in any great number, won’t the electronic records reflect what the machine recorded rather than what the voter may have actually intended and selected?

    , @A123
    @Supply and Demand


    Biden clearly didn’t need the fraud in Wisconsin, as the recount showed.
     
    This statement defies logic. The recount shared fundamental flaws with the original count:

    -- The same machines were re-used to re-count. Any code induced skullduggery remains undiscovered.
    -- To the extent that fabricated ballots physically exist for Biden. Those fake pieces of paper were recounted.

    The recount method is designed to eliminate certain possibilities. It is intended to weed out issues most likely to be the result of genuine human error rather than deliberate corruption. For example:

    -- A machine jams halfway through a stack of ballots and is not cleared before re-running the stack. This could double count ballots that ran successfully before the jam.

    The recount shows the opposite of what you bluster. It proves that the problem in Wisconsin is intentional & malicious, not simple human error.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Realist
    @Supply and Demand


    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral hate of Trump by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*.
     
    A college degree does not infer an education...certainly in this time. One has to ask why supposedly intelligent people would vote for a corrupt brain dead asshole...Biden was born stupid.

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral stupidity by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*.

    FIFY

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Supply and Demand

    , @anon
    @Supply and Demand

    Fake expat troll contributes more trolling and no facts.

    Yawn.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  6. @Priss Factor
    Righteous Negresses

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P-7v00kDaA

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/YYDPAW_1Y-c/

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    The eponymous “Oversight Committee.”

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    @The Alarmist

    That righteous Negress needs to be prezident.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  7. @Supply and Demand
    @LondonBob

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral hate of Trump by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*. Biden clearly didn’t need the fraud in Wisconsin, as the recount showed.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @A123, @Realist, @anon

    Do you care to comment on the qualitative chacteristics of the recount that suggest it should be believed? If one of the charges is that machines changed a voters choice, and machines were used in any great number, won’t the electronic records reflect what the machine recorded rather than what the voter may have actually intended and selected?

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  8. If the shift to nationwide mail-in balloting drove turnout numbers higher–whether legitimately or on account of a significant level of fraud–wouldn’t we expect the three states that have had mail-in voting before to have increased less than the majority of states who added it for the first time in this election?

    Now that you mention it, yes, we would. Fascinating.

    Initially, your article makes the impression of a Rorschach inkblot: the reader can see in it that which he wishes to see. Notwithstanding, gradually, the article’s implication dawns.

    You are sly and suave to leave the reader free to work out the implication for himself.

    As far as I know, not one person on the prestigious staff of The Wall Street Journal has yet noticed what you have just noticed. The Journal would seem to be paying the wrong people.

  9. Mail-In Voting Drove Turnout Higher?

    Mail-In Voting Corruption Drove Turnout Higher?

    FIFY

    • Replies: @A123
    @Realist



    Mail-In Voting Drove Turnout Higher?
     
    Mail-In Voting Corruption Drove Turnout Higher?

    FIFY
     
    Fraud-by-Mail Corruption Drove Turnout Higher?

    FIFIFY 😋
  10. @Supply and Demand
    @LondonBob

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral hate of Trump by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*. Biden clearly didn’t need the fraud in Wisconsin, as the recount showed.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @A123, @Realist, @anon

    Biden clearly didn’t need the fraud in Wisconsin, as the recount showed.

    This statement defies logic. The recount shared fundamental flaws with the original count:

    — The same machines were re-used to re-count. Any code induced skullduggery remains undiscovered.
    — To the extent that fabricated ballots physically exist for Biden. Those fake pieces of paper were recounted.

    The recount method is designed to eliminate certain possibilities. It is intended to weed out issues most likely to be the result of genuine human error rather than deliberate corruption. For example:

    — A machine jams halfway through a stack of ballots and is not cleared before re-running the stack. This could double count ballots that ran successfully before the jam.

    The recount shows the opposite of what you bluster. It proves that the problem in Wisconsin is intentional & malicious, not simple human error.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  11. @Realist

    Mail-In Voting Drove Turnout Higher?
     
    Mail-In Voting Corruption Drove Turnout Higher?

    FIFY

    Replies: @A123

    Mail-In Voting Drove Turnout Higher?

    Mail-In Voting Corruption Drove Turnout Higher?

    FIFY

    Fraud-by-Mail Corruption Drove Turnout Higher?

    FIFIFY 😋

  12. @Supply and Demand
    @LondonBob

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral hate of Trump by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*. Biden clearly didn’t need the fraud in Wisconsin, as the recount showed.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @A123, @Realist, @anon

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral hate of Trump by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*.

    A college degree does not infer an education…certainly in this time. One has to ask why supposedly intelligent people would vote for a corrupt brain dead asshole…Biden was born stupid.

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral stupidity by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*.

    FIFY

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Realist


    A college degree does not infer an education…
     
    For what it's worth, after spending ten years teaching in college, I agree.

    In the Anglosphere, if it's got Latin, Greek, French, German, Cicero, Aristotle, Shakespeare, the Bible, chemistry and calculus, it's probably an education. I am not here to argue that every proper education must include all these elements (though including them all would not be a bad start), but whatever a proper education might be, what you get at a standard U.S. university isn't it.

    The scary thing is, by my own standard, I myself am not educated. Not even close. And I used to teach college. That should warn you.

    Replies: @Realist

    , @Supply and Demand
    @Realist

    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Realist, @anon, @Reg Cæsar

  13. @Realist
    @Supply and Demand


    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral hate of Trump by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*.
     
    A college degree does not infer an education...certainly in this time. One has to ask why supposedly intelligent people would vote for a corrupt brain dead asshole...Biden was born stupid.

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral stupidity by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*.

    FIFY

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Supply and Demand

    A college degree does not infer an education…

    For what it’s worth, after spending ten years teaching in college, I agree.

    In the Anglosphere, if it’s got Latin, Greek, French, German, Cicero, Aristotle, Shakespeare, the Bible, chemistry and calculus, it’s probably an education. I am not here to argue that every proper education must include all these elements (though including them all would not be a bad start), but whatever a proper education might be, what you get at a standard U.S. university isn’t it.

    The scary thing is, by my own standard, I myself am not educated. Not even close. And I used to teach college. That should warn you.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I completed my college degree, chemistry, and physics, quite a number of years ago. I am happy with my education and it afforded me a great and interesting life.

  14. @LondonBob
    A lot of money being thrown around for ballot harvesting. Trump supporters had high enthusiasm but Biden didn't.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Realist

    A lot of money being thrown around for ballot harvesting.

    Yes, the electoral process in this country is under the control of the Deep State…a Plutocratic Oligarchy.

    A very helpful tool was handed to the Deep State starting forty-four years ago.

    The SCOTUS has passed down egregious decisions that abridge the First Amendment and show contempt for the concept of representative democracy. Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1976 and exacerbated by continuing stupid SCOTUS decisions First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission and McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission.
    These decisions have codified that money is free speech thereby giving entities of wealth and power total influence in elections.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Realist

    Regulation would be no different. The same people direct that.

    Replies: @Realist

  15. anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:

    You just asked a simple question that need to be answered by looking at the data and think. It is like a quite simple IQ test for people who have IQ above 100. The answer is obvious.

    Unfortunately some of your readers do not have the mental ability to understand data to draw their own conclusion. You need to give them grade school level conclusion for them to understand. Trump is very good at delivering this kind of answer to the targeted audience.

    Like Le Bon said, the intelligence of a group of people is defined by the stupidest members within the group, not by the smartest.

  16. @Supply and Demand
    @LondonBob

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral hate of Trump by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*. Biden clearly didn’t need the fraud in Wisconsin, as the recount showed.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @A123, @Realist, @anon

    Fake expat troll contributes more trolling and no facts.

    Yawn.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @anon

    I don't have any of Sidney Powell's "facts" I guess, you're right! I'm certainly not sweating eye shadow like Rudy either.

  17. If the shift to nationwide mail-in balloting drove turnout numbers higher–whether legitimately or on account of a significant level of fraud–wouldn’t we expect the three states that have had mail-in voting before to have increased less than the majority of states who added it for the first time in this election?

    This is just the sort of bullshit factual information that never Trumpers come up with.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    This is just the sort of bullshit factual information that never Trumpers come up with.
     
    So, this is a revolution, not a school quiz? Does the hot spirit of reaction today overshadow any paltry selection of measly factlets?

    http://youtu.be/cjp-Gyo5tNM

    You may be right.

  18. @iffen
    If the shift to nationwide mail-in balloting drove turnout numbers higher–whether legitimately or on account of a significant level of fraud–wouldn’t we expect the three states that have had mail-in voting before to have increased less than the majority of states who added it for the first time in this election?

    This is just the sort of bullshit factual information that never Trumpers come up with.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    This is just the sort of bullshit factual information that never Trumpers come up with.

    So, this is a revolution, not a school quiz? Does the hot spirit of reaction today overshadow any paltry selection of measly factlets?

    http://youtu.be/cjp-Gyo5tNM

    You may be right.

  19. @Realist
    @Supply and Demand


    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral hate of Trump by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*.
     
    A college degree does not infer an education...certainly in this time. One has to ask why supposedly intelligent people would vote for a corrupt brain dead asshole...Biden was born stupid.

    Enthusiasm is good, but seething visceral stupidity by the white, college educated urban elite is what catapulted President-elect Biden to victory over 45*.

    FIFY

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Supply and Demand

    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

    • Troll: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Supply and Demand

    Millions of hardworking decent Americans in service jobs would rightly be surprised to learn that they are “dropouts.” Most are neither high school dropouts nor societal dropouts.

    And I’d probably better relate to them, respect them more, and enjoy hanging out with them more than someone with your obnoxious demaning arrogant attitude (and ignorant overgeneralizations made out of a sense of superiority).

    University professor, you say? Shocking.

    Stay in China, Your Highness.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    , @Realist
    @Supply and Demand


    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.
     
    I voted for Trump the first time, but by mid-April, 2017 I could see that Trump was a Deep State minion and did not have the best interest of the 98% at heart. I stated as much here on TUR. Consequently, I did not vote at all in 2020.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.
     
    I have a degree in chemistry and physics, from many years ago...it was very advantageous for me.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

     

    Your comment white trash working-class is elitist. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @TomSchmidt, @nebulafox

    , @anon
    @Supply and Demand

    I hate Trump and voted against him

    Lol, you're a fake expat troll who has a flimsy cover story that keeps on changing. Probably "John Plywood" under a different handle. That would explain the weak sauce of your trolling attempts.

    Sad fake!

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Supply and Demand


    I’m a university professor in China...
     
    So you are quite familiar with corruption, twice over.
  20. @The Alarmist
    @Priss Factor

    The eponymous “Oversight Committee.”

    Replies: @Priss Factor

    That righteous Negress needs to be prezident.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Priss Factor

    She’ll just have to get in line behind the faux-Negress already lined up.

    BTW, it took one White-black President (WJC), one black-White President, and one brown-tan passing-negress to get to the point where we might actually get a black President.

  21. @Supply and Demand
    @Realist

    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Realist, @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    Millions of hardworking decent Americans in service jobs would rightly be surprised to learn that they are “dropouts.” Most are neither high school dropouts nor societal dropouts.

    And I’d probably better relate to them, respect them more, and enjoy hanging out with them more than someone with your obnoxious demaning arrogant attitude (and ignorant overgeneralizations made out of a sense of superiority).

    University professor, you say? Shocking.

    Stay in China, Your Highness.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @RadicalCenter

    Happy to stay in China and keep voting for the Democrats! At least I know what the White Party is. Enjoy your endless lockdowns.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  22. @RadicalCenter
    @Supply and Demand

    Millions of hardworking decent Americans in service jobs would rightly be surprised to learn that they are “dropouts.” Most are neither high school dropouts nor societal dropouts.

    And I’d probably better relate to them, respect them more, and enjoy hanging out with them more than someone with your obnoxious demaning arrogant attitude (and ignorant overgeneralizations made out of a sense of superiority).

    University professor, you say? Shocking.

    Stay in China, Your Highness.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    Happy to stay in China and keep voting for the Democrats! At least I know what the White Party is. Enjoy your endless lockdowns.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Supply and Demand

    Not too coherent, given that Dem governors and mayors have restricted freedom even more severely than Republican ones due to the phony plandemic, though both have been irrational and destructive.

    So you say “enjoy the lockdowns” in a snarky tone, suggesting that the lockdowns are foolish — which they are.

    Then you say you’re proud of voting for the tyrants imposing the police state most ferociously.

    Okay, man. Enjoy the tea and work on that social-credit score. (Hey we may be doing much the same thing here soon, under the people whom you so proudly support.)

  23. @Supply and Demand
    @Realist

    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Realist, @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.

    I voted for Trump the first time, but by mid-April, 2017 I could see that Trump was a Deep State minion and did not have the best interest of the 98% at heart. I stated as much here on TUR. Consequently, I did not vote at all in 2020.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.

    I have a degree in chemistry and physics, from many years ago…it was very advantageous for me.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

    Your comment white trash working-class is elitist. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Realist

    If the elites so desperately need a single mother working at Burger King instead of at home raising children, perhaps the elites need to be replaced.

    Replies: @Realist

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Realist

    by mid-April, 2017 I could see that Trump was a Deep State minion and did not have the best interest of the 98% at heart.

    Was it the first Syria bombing? I remember my shock at that, then disappointment. I happened to be in Dc at the time, and the sense there was different. ebullient. The threat was past. trump was going to bomb and fund the military as much as Bush and Obama.

    Rapidly, Trump turned to the number one priority: passing a huge corporate tax cut so that Silicon Valley could repatriate some of those overseas profits. Repeal and replace Obamacare? They did hold a vote.

    When the Dems won the house in 2018, it wasn't anti-Trump as much as it was promises to DO SOMETHING about healthcare. The D's proceeded to spend their time building up to the impeachment, while the issues of concern to Americans got ignored. They lost a good number of members from 2018, and might yet lose more.

    Trump finally started doing something in 2020. What, exactly, was stopping the executive order banning critical race theory back in 2017? As Sailer wrote, if we had an election every year, Trump might actually be a great President.

    I got a benefit from the tax cut, although I didn't need it. For me, the only thing Trump did that made it worthwhile to vote for him was jamming Princeton President Eisgruber's hollow words about racism at Princeton right back down his throat by threatening to withhold Federal money because the university had previously certified it was NOT racist in order to receive that money. Other than that, I'd be like most of the people who voted Biden: voting against the other guy, not for the one I voted for.

    Replies: @Realist

    , @nebulafox
    @Realist

    >I have a degree in chemistry and physics, from many years ago…it was very advantageous for me.

    It's really bizarre how having a degree in physics makes everybody think you are smart.

    > Your comment white trash working-class is elitist. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive.

    America's lower classes have their problems-obesity, breakdown of family structures, addiction-but they are still a group that is, as Eric Hoffer put it: "lumpy with talent." It is strange how people either radically overestimate or underestimate what they are capable of, depending on where they are life. To extract that talent is not just a shame, but so... stupid. So wasteful. Just as gems are only beautiful if they are discovered and polished, so talent must be trained and honed.

    Of course, things go the other way: duds protected from the consequences of their own failures due to them winning the sperm lottery. I don't blame the parents too harshly for that, given the consequences of declassment in modern America, but nevertheless, fluidity of talent-not the same thing as America's current pseudo-meritocracy-is always going to win out over a caste-based society. We'd do well to remember that.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Realist

  24. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Realist


    A college degree does not infer an education…
     
    For what it's worth, after spending ten years teaching in college, I agree.

    In the Anglosphere, if it's got Latin, Greek, French, German, Cicero, Aristotle, Shakespeare, the Bible, chemistry and calculus, it's probably an education. I am not here to argue that every proper education must include all these elements (though including them all would not be a bad start), but whatever a proper education might be, what you get at a standard U.S. university isn't it.

    The scary thing is, by my own standard, I myself am not educated. Not even close. And I used to teach college. That should warn you.

    Replies: @Realist

    I completed my college degree, chemistry, and physics, quite a number of years ago. I am happy with my education and it afforded me a great and interesting life.

  25. @Priss Factor
    @The Alarmist

    That righteous Negress needs to be prezident.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    She’ll just have to get in line behind the faux-Negress already lined up.

    BTW, it took one White-black President (WJC), one black-White President, and one brown-tan passing-negress to get to the point where we might actually get a black President.

  26. Mail-In Voting Drove Turnout Higher?

    Put the mail in the pail and drink some India Pale Ale and we all must remember that Trump’s campaign offered up stale Romney and Dole and Bush type Republican Party ruling class twaddle and 5 percent of WHITE CORE AMERICAN males decided to give the Adelson/Kushner poodle boy Trump the double bird and they drank some Long Trail Ale Double Bag which is double the alcohol content malty brew that is also called a German slang word “Stickebier” which means ‘secret brew’ says the internet and that brings up the fact that German American Male Voters in the Great Lakes states told half-German Trump to go to Hell and that brings up the GERMAN STRATEGY which Biden used to perfection to boot Trump’s fat baby boomer ass out of the White House.

    Trump got bumped out of the White House by Biden because Biden had the brains to appeal to German American Male Voters and Trump was pandering to Blacks with the Platinum Plan and the Prison Break and every other voter bloc but the White Male Voters that Trump needed to win the Electoral College states.

    GERMAN STRATEGY further explained:

    The GERMAN STRATEGY is to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states in combination with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Southern states.

  27. @Realist
    @Supply and Demand


    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.
     
    I voted for Trump the first time, but by mid-April, 2017 I could see that Trump was a Deep State minion and did not have the best interest of the 98% at heart. I stated as much here on TUR. Consequently, I did not vote at all in 2020.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.
     
    I have a degree in chemistry and physics, from many years ago...it was very advantageous for me.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

     

    Your comment white trash working-class is elitist. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @TomSchmidt, @nebulafox

    If the elites so desperately need a single mother working at Burger King instead of at home raising children, perhaps the elites need to be replaced.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Supply and Demand


    If the elites so desperately need a single mother working at Burger King instead of at home raising children, perhaps the elites need to be replaced.
     
    You misunderstood my comment. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive. What I meant by that was that the elites are unable to produce the things they need to stay alive...such as food, power, potable water, and all products they need to live. Elites are incapable of self sustaining.
  28. @Supply and Demand
    @Realist

    If the elites so desperately need a single mother working at Burger King instead of at home raising children, perhaps the elites need to be replaced.

    Replies: @Realist

    If the elites so desperately need a single mother working at Burger King instead of at home raising children, perhaps the elites need to be replaced.

    You misunderstood my comment. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive. What I meant by that was that the elites are unable to produce the things they need to stay alive…such as food, power, potable water, and all products they need to live. Elites are incapable of self sustaining.

  29. @Realist
    @Supply and Demand


    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.
     
    I voted for Trump the first time, but by mid-April, 2017 I could see that Trump was a Deep State minion and did not have the best interest of the 98% at heart. I stated as much here on TUR. Consequently, I did not vote at all in 2020.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.
     
    I have a degree in chemistry and physics, from many years ago...it was very advantageous for me.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

     

    Your comment white trash working-class is elitist. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @TomSchmidt, @nebulafox

    by mid-April, 2017 I could see that Trump was a Deep State minion and did not have the best interest of the 98% at heart.

    Was it the first Syria bombing? I remember my shock at that, then disappointment. I happened to be in Dc at the time, and the sense there was different. ebullient. The threat was past. trump was going to bomb and fund the military as much as Bush and Obama.

    Rapidly, Trump turned to the number one priority: passing a huge corporate tax cut so that Silicon Valley could repatriate some of those overseas profits. Repeal and replace Obamacare? They did hold a vote.

    When the Dems won the house in 2018, it wasn’t anti-Trump as much as it was promises to DO SOMETHING about healthcare. The D’s proceeded to spend their time building up to the impeachment, while the issues of concern to Americans got ignored. They lost a good number of members from 2018, and might yet lose more.

    Trump finally started doing something in 2020. What, exactly, was stopping the executive order banning critical race theory back in 2017? As Sailer wrote, if we had an election every year, Trump might actually be a great President.

    I got a benefit from the tax cut, although I didn’t need it. For me, the only thing Trump did that made it worthwhile to vote for him was jamming Princeton President Eisgruber’s hollow words about racism at Princeton right back down his throat by threatening to withhold Federal money because the university had previously certified it was NOT racist in order to receive that money. Other than that, I’d be like most of the people who voted Biden: voting against the other guy, not for the one I voted for.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @TomSchmidt


    Was it the first Syria bombing? I remember my shock at that, then disappointment. I happened to be in Dc at the time, and the sense there was different. ebullient. The threat was past. trump was going to bomb and fund the military as much as Bush and Obama.
     
    It was a number of things. There is so much he could have done right out of the gate...but certainly Syria was one of the things.

    Other than that, I’d be like most of the people who voted Biden: voting against the other guy, not for the one I voted for.
     
    I believe that both parties are two sides of the Deep State coin...heads they win...tails we lose.

    We now live in a Plutocratic Oligarchy.

  30. @TomSchmidt
    @Realist

    by mid-April, 2017 I could see that Trump was a Deep State minion and did not have the best interest of the 98% at heart.

    Was it the first Syria bombing? I remember my shock at that, then disappointment. I happened to be in Dc at the time, and the sense there was different. ebullient. The threat was past. trump was going to bomb and fund the military as much as Bush and Obama.

    Rapidly, Trump turned to the number one priority: passing a huge corporate tax cut so that Silicon Valley could repatriate some of those overseas profits. Repeal and replace Obamacare? They did hold a vote.

    When the Dems won the house in 2018, it wasn't anti-Trump as much as it was promises to DO SOMETHING about healthcare. The D's proceeded to spend their time building up to the impeachment, while the issues of concern to Americans got ignored. They lost a good number of members from 2018, and might yet lose more.

    Trump finally started doing something in 2020. What, exactly, was stopping the executive order banning critical race theory back in 2017? As Sailer wrote, if we had an election every year, Trump might actually be a great President.

    I got a benefit from the tax cut, although I didn't need it. For me, the only thing Trump did that made it worthwhile to vote for him was jamming Princeton President Eisgruber's hollow words about racism at Princeton right back down his throat by threatening to withhold Federal money because the university had previously certified it was NOT racist in order to receive that money. Other than that, I'd be like most of the people who voted Biden: voting against the other guy, not for the one I voted for.

    Replies: @Realist

    Was it the first Syria bombing? I remember my shock at that, then disappointment. I happened to be in Dc at the time, and the sense there was different. ebullient. The threat was past. trump was going to bomb and fund the military as much as Bush and Obama.

    It was a number of things. There is so much he could have done right out of the gate…but certainly Syria was one of the things.

    Other than that, I’d be like most of the people who voted Biden: voting against the other guy, not for the one I voted for.

    I believe that both parties are two sides of the Deep State coin…heads they win…tails we lose.

    We now live in a Plutocratic Oligarchy.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  31. @Supply and Demand
    @Realist

    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Realist, @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    I hate Trump and voted against him

    Lol, you’re a fake expat troll who has a flimsy cover story that keeps on changing. Probably “John Plywood” under a different handle. That would explain the weak sauce of your trolling attempts.

    Sad fake!

  32. Seats lost, will never be regained

  33. @anon
    @Supply and Demand

    Fake expat troll contributes more trolling and no facts.

    Yawn.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    I don’t have any of Sidney Powell’s “facts” I guess, you’re right! I’m certainly not sweating eye shadow like Rudy either.

  34. @Supply and Demand
    @RadicalCenter

    Happy to stay in China and keep voting for the Democrats! At least I know what the White Party is. Enjoy your endless lockdowns.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Not too coherent, given that Dem governors and mayors have restricted freedom even more severely than Republican ones due to the phony plandemic, though both have been irrational and destructive.

    So you say “enjoy the lockdowns” in a snarky tone, suggesting that the lockdowns are foolish — which they are.

    Then you say you’re proud of voting for the tyrants imposing the police state most ferociously.

    Okay, man. Enjoy the tea and work on that social-credit score. (Hey we may be doing much the same thing here soon, under the people whom you so proudly support.)

  35. I haven’t paid attention to this issue much, but a quick web search revealed MSM articles claiming that mail-in voting increases turnout only a couple points. Considering the small sample sizes here (3 states) with their turnout within a couple points of the average, the results don’t seem impossible to me.

  36. @Realist
    @Supply and Demand


    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.
     
    I voted for Trump the first time, but by mid-April, 2017 I could see that Trump was a Deep State minion and did not have the best interest of the 98% at heart. I stated as much here on TUR. Consequently, I did not vote at all in 2020.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.
     
    I have a degree in chemistry and physics, from many years ago...it was very advantageous for me.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

     

    Your comment white trash working-class is elitist. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @TomSchmidt, @nebulafox

    >I have a degree in chemistry and physics, from many years ago…it was very advantageous for me.

    It’s really bizarre how having a degree in physics makes everybody think you are smart.

    > Your comment white trash working-class is elitist. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive.

    America’s lower classes have their problems-obesity, breakdown of family structures, addiction-but they are still a group that is, as Eric Hoffer put it: “lumpy with talent.” It is strange how people either radically overestimate or underestimate what they are capable of, depending on where they are life. To extract that talent is not just a shame, but so… stupid. So wasteful. Just as gems are only beautiful if they are discovered and polished, so talent must be trained and honed.

    Of course, things go the other way: duds protected from the consequences of their own failures due to them winning the sperm lottery. I don’t blame the parents too harshly for that, given the consequences of declassment in modern America, but nevertheless, fluidity of talent-not the same thing as America’s current pseudo-meritocracy-is always going to win out over a caste-based society. We’d do well to remember that.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @nebulafox

    Do you know any dumb people with degrees in physics?

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @Realist
    @nebulafox


    It’s really bizarre how having a degree in physics makes everybody think you are smart.
     
    Have you taken and passed a college physics course? It takes hard work and a certain amount of thinking ability...as is true for all STEM courses.
  37. @nebulafox
    @Realist

    >I have a degree in chemistry and physics, from many years ago…it was very advantageous for me.

    It's really bizarre how having a degree in physics makes everybody think you are smart.

    > Your comment white trash working-class is elitist. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive.

    America's lower classes have their problems-obesity, breakdown of family structures, addiction-but they are still a group that is, as Eric Hoffer put it: "lumpy with talent." It is strange how people either radically overestimate or underestimate what they are capable of, depending on where they are life. To extract that talent is not just a shame, but so... stupid. So wasteful. Just as gems are only beautiful if they are discovered and polished, so talent must be trained and honed.

    Of course, things go the other way: duds protected from the consequences of their own failures due to them winning the sperm lottery. I don't blame the parents too harshly for that, given the consequences of declassment in modern America, but nevertheless, fluidity of talent-not the same thing as America's current pseudo-meritocracy-is always going to win out over a caste-based society. We'd do well to remember that.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Realist

    Do you know any dumb people with degrees in physics?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Chrisnonymous

    Me. I'm not dumb, exactly, but I'm not intelligent, and my brain has sharp limits that many brighter people don't have.

    Obsessive, now...

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  38. @nebulafox
    @Realist

    >I have a degree in chemistry and physics, from many years ago…it was very advantageous for me.

    It's really bizarre how having a degree in physics makes everybody think you are smart.

    > Your comment white trash working-class is elitist. The working class is the one who keeps the elites alive.

    America's lower classes have their problems-obesity, breakdown of family structures, addiction-but they are still a group that is, as Eric Hoffer put it: "lumpy with talent." It is strange how people either radically overestimate or underestimate what they are capable of, depending on where they are life. To extract that talent is not just a shame, but so... stupid. So wasteful. Just as gems are only beautiful if they are discovered and polished, so talent must be trained and honed.

    Of course, things go the other way: duds protected from the consequences of their own failures due to them winning the sperm lottery. I don't blame the parents too harshly for that, given the consequences of declassment in modern America, but nevertheless, fluidity of talent-not the same thing as America's current pseudo-meritocracy-is always going to win out over a caste-based society. We'd do well to remember that.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Realist

    It’s really bizarre how having a degree in physics makes everybody think you are smart.

    Have you taken and passed a college physics course? It takes hard work and a certain amount of thinking ability…as is true for all STEM courses.

  39. The Soviet has been all mail-in since the 2006 elections (i.e. since the 2008 presidential election).

    I have been updating my Soviet election results spreadsheet (by county from 2000, by statewide vote from 1968) for the preliminary 2020 results. Now nobody expected Trump to carry the Soviet (and he actually appears to have lost ground from 2016), however I was troubled by the fact that 38 of the 39 counties went more Democrat from 2016. Looking back, something similar happened in the opposite direction in 2012, but then Obama/Biden lost votes nationwide, so maybe that’s not as surprising. That was not the case in 2004 when the directional change was more-or-less evenly split.

    I do not have data for # of eligible voters so can’t see any effects of turnout directly, but decided as a proxy to compare total 2020 presidential votes against population for both state and county results. I calculated a least-squares linear regression for 2000-2016 and compared it’s predicted results to 2020 election data (since the state and most counties have been growing fairly steadily over that time period, linear appears to be a reasonable fit).

    Preliminary results: 2020 is statistically significant outlier for both state-wide turnout (back to 1968) and county-level turnout (back to 2000). At the state-level, it’s >3.5 std deviations over the regression line prediction. Interestingly, at the county-level it’s incredibly consistent between counties as well (about 1/2 calculated), whether Demo or GOP leaning (or for the 5 counties in the Soviet that apparently use Dominion SW to tabulate votes vs. non-Dominion counties). No other election in my data shows this amount of change in proxy turnout. Also, it appears that most of the 2016 ‘protest’ vote went to Biden/Harris, as the 2020 ‘other’ data is back to historical levels. Even in the GOP leaning counties in the Eastern Soviet. That’s odd too.

    AE, I’d be careful about accepting published data at face value, absent further investigation. In Larry Correa’s trenchant terminology, I believe there’s “fuckery afoot” even in the non-battleground states.

  40. @Realist
    @LondonBob


    A lot of money being thrown around for ballot harvesting.
     
    Yes, the electoral process in this country is under the control of the Deep State...a Plutocratic Oligarchy.

    A very helpful tool was handed to the Deep State starting forty-four years ago.

    The SCOTUS has passed down egregious decisions that abridge the First Amendment and show contempt for the concept of representative democracy. Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1976 and exacerbated by continuing stupid SCOTUS decisions First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission and McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission.
    These decisions have codified that money is free speech thereby giving entities of wealth and power total influence in elections.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Regulation would be no different. The same people direct that.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Reg Cæsar


    Regulation would be no different. The same people direct that.
     
    Yes, I agree. I am pointing out a big milestone in the evolution of Deep State control in this country.

    The decision of who the titular President of the US will be is also controlled by the Deep State.

    As I wrote this country is under the control of the Deep State…a Plutocratic Oligarchy.
  41. Mail-In Voting Drove Turnout Higher?

    “Mail-in” is the opposite of “turnout”.

  42. @Supply and Demand
    @Realist

    I hate Trump and voted against him because I’m in that same class (white, graduate degree in linguistics, born in Wisconsin). I dislike him primarily because he ran on America-first and became an Israel-Firster upon assuming office. At least Biden was honest about his intent to be an Israel-Firster.

    You’re right that it’s not about intelligence per se. It is worth noting, however, that a degree can confer a job that is pandemic proof (I’m a university professor in China and COVID was a 6-week work at home staycation for us in the spring). At least more than wait staff at a restaurant or another service industry usually occupied by 90 IQ females and male pothead dropouts. Pays better, too.

    I read that much of Trump’s electorate were white trash working class and mestizo wetbacks angry about work drying up due to COVID. You can have them!

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Realist, @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    I’m a university professor in China

    So you are quite familiar with corruption, twice over.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  43. @Reg Cæsar
    @Realist

    Regulation would be no different. The same people direct that.

    Replies: @Realist

    Regulation would be no different. The same people direct that.

    Yes, I agree. I am pointing out a big milestone in the evolution of Deep State control in this country.

    The decision of who the titular President of the US will be is also controlled by the Deep State.

    As I wrote this country is under the control of the Deep State…a Plutocratic Oligarchy.

  44. @Chrisnonymous
    @nebulafox

    Do you know any dumb people with degrees in physics?

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Me. I’m not dumb, exactly, but I’m not intelligent, and my brain has sharp limits that many brighter people don’t have.

    Obsessive, now…

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @nebulafox

    You're comparing yourself to other physics-degree-holders. You are not dumb. I've met crazy physics people but not dumb ones.

  45. @nebulafox
    @Chrisnonymous

    Me. I'm not dumb, exactly, but I'm not intelligent, and my brain has sharp limits that many brighter people don't have.

    Obsessive, now...

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    You’re comparing yourself to other physics-degree-holders. You are not dumb. I’ve met crazy physics people but not dumb ones.

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