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In a quixotic quest to find reasons to cast doubt on our predictions of a Biden/Harris blowout in November, here’s one that may be flying under the radar, apropos the previous post–the Libertarian ticket. The party’s presidential candidate:

There’s a reason (nearly?) all politicians who identify as libertarians (Ron Paul, Justin Amash, Gary Johnson, Bill Weld, etc) run as Republicans. The Woke don’t care if you’re with them on 50% or even 90% of things. If there is the slightest deviation from the dictated consensus on anything, you’re a racist sympathizer if not an outright nazi. They’ll throw JK Rowling under the bus. They’re never letting you set foot inside to begin with.

In 2016, the Libertarian Gary Johnson garnered nearly 5 million votes, 3.3% of those cast. Most of those votes would’ve gone to Trump if they hadn’t gone to Johnson. Jo Jorgensen isn’t going to get 5 million votes in November, not even close. It wouldn’t come as a surprise to us if she only received half that:

Trump lost New Hampshire, Minnesota, Nevada, Maine, Colorado, and New Mexico in 2016 by margins smaller than Johnson’s support in each of those states. The worse the Libertarian party does, the better Trump’s chances are.

++Addition++Neglected to include this one in the original post, which gets right at the heart of non-aggression and personal liberty–rah-rahing another person of cervix:

 
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  1. Goodbye Koch Brothers; hello Soros.

  2. Geeze! I’m a Libertarian (and Conservative) by ideology, but I haven’t been keeping up with these people. I appreciate your post, A.E., as, the way Trump has been pissing me off, I was THAT CLOSE to reflexively punching the L chad, just like an old black man pulling “D” fresh out of the church meeting, driven to the voting location in a van, with a coupon for a free fried chicken dinner.

    When was the last decent one on the “L” ticket? 2000? Gary Johnson was an open borders freak.

    .

    PS: I just remembered: In 2012, since Dr. Paul dropped out (of the R-candidate race), I voted for Chuck Baldwin. He’s a Libertarian and a great guy, but he ran as a Constitutionalist, as there was already someone on the L ticket.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman


    When was the last decent one on the “L” ticket?
     
    Michael Badnarik?

  3. Also…

    Peace.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  4. Jo Jorgensen is where nice, considered, especially young and bright, white people have gone in order to avoid being accused of horrible things and avoid having to accuse others.

    Her demeanour and rhetoric is mostly for the world that I wish was.
    .
    Thinking of going to Portland to see how things are on the ground. Where would a foreigner best be going to really see the reality of what is unfolding in the US for themselves?

  5. I haven’t voted for a major party candidate since Reagan in 1980 and will vote Libertarian unless I have a really compelling reason not to. This Jorgenson twit gives me one. If I have to vote for Trump to keep the Marxists at bay for 4 years, I guess that’s what I’ll do.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @JBirks

    What is happening in the libertarian world exactly? Does Jorgensen represent the majority of the libertarians now, if not then how did an SJW become the libertarian candidate?

    Replies: @Mark G., @dfordoom

  6. He doesn’t deserve it, but I suspect Trump wins, bigly. He takes MN and WI due to riots. He loses PA because it’s now run by Democrats. So are MN, WI, and MI; had the latter two been run by D’s in2016, I think he loses them. MI might go R, but I doubt it.

    My evidence is anecdotal, but it should scare the crap out of the D’s. Several childless single white women in my orbit have grudgingly gone to admit voting for Trump. The white upper middle class and most upper class have swung much more D, but then recall that they only constitute maybe 20% of whites, requiring as they do a college degree.

    the RNC was another typical Con Inc. effort at “Dems are the real racists.” I suspect that it will move a number of blacks to vote R. If it gets to 15% of the vote for Trump (and he did well amongst black men in 2016), it’s a landslide for Trump. Except: he is counting on whites turning out, and there wasn’t a lot of imagery promising them ANYthing at the RNC. Romney lost because 15% of the vote in Ohio was black, while only 10% of the population is: he did not get the white working class voters whose jobs Bain had sent overseas to support him, for good reason.

  7. @JBirks
    I haven't voted for a major party candidate since Reagan in 1980 and will vote Libertarian unless I have a really compelling reason not to. This Jorgenson twit gives me one. If I have to vote for Trump to keep the Marxists at bay for 4 years, I guess that's what I'll do.

    Replies: @neutral

    What is happening in the libertarian world exactly? Does Jorgensen represent the majority of the libertarians now, if not then how did an SJW become the libertarian candidate?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @neutral


    What is happening in the libertarian world exactly? Does Jorgensen represent the majority of the libertarians now, if not then how did an SJW become the libertarian candidate?

     

    Most libertarians abandoned the LP because they decided it didn't have a chance. Over the nine elections starting with Hospers in 1972 they never got more than one percent of the vote. Beside not attracting voters, the only wealthy financial donors they ever attracted were the Koch brothers and a schism between them and the Rothbardians caused them to withdraw financial support.

    Americans traditionally won't vote for third parties. The American political system was designed in a way that there would not be numerous small parties in the legislative body like in some European countries. Ballot access requirements have been made onerous by the two major parties so third parties have to put in most of their time just getting on the ballot. The major media ignores third parties.

    Most libertarians figured out a third party wasn't the way to go by 2008 and voted for Ron Paul in the primaries. Paul had run as a Libertarian candidate previously but got more media attention and attracted more people to libertarian ideas running in the Republican primaries so that further justified that as a better strategy. Who was left in the Libertarian party were people who didn't like the Paulian brand of libertarianism. The LP chairman didn't like Paul and the LP ran mainstream politicians like Johnson and Weld who were barely libertarian or candidates who are more left libertarian like the current pro-BLM candidate.
    , @dfordoom
    @neutral


    What is happening in the libertarian world exactly?
     
    Does anybody in the real world even care?
  8. Third parties take less from their closest major party than you’d expect in the studies I have seen.

    Zero of the actual Ron Paul voters I’ve known over the years would ever vote for Trump. They were a mix of antiwar hippies and very socially liberal rich businessmen.

    Gary J was a kookie pothot who ran against Trump.

    In general, third party voters’ next preference is another third party, not voting, or undervoting.

    If the libertarians do drop 2 million votes, it will likely be something like Trump +400k, Biden +300k, others +300k, not voting or undervoting 1000k.

    Given how close WI MI FL NH MN are going to be, even a net 100k spread over the US is helpful.

    • Replies: @Redman
    @Lot

    You are right about libs usually voting for third parties. But quite wrong about the Ron Paul voter type. I’m far from a hippie or socially liberal and have voted for RP three times. Voted for Trump in 2016.

    The late great Justin Raimondo was one of the biggest Ron Paul supporters, and later supported Trump. He coined the term Trump Derangement Syndrome and correctly saw that much of the organized hatred against Trump was because of his non-interventionist foreign policy positions. Follow the U.S. war money.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lot


    Zero of the actual Ron Paul voters I’ve known over the years would ever vote for Trump.
     
    Hey, I thought I was your friend, Lot. At least you know me. Now it's 1.

    I told Ron Paul in person during the '12 primary that he needed to talk about illegal immigration if he wanted to win my State, in which he was campaigning. Alas, he didn't take it to heart.

    Replies: @Lot

  9. I don’t know about Biden/Harris. The betting odds are tightening to 47/53:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_president/

    Kenosha may be a wake up call because it is Everytown, USA. People expect arson, looting and civil unrest in major urban areas. Kenosha personalizes it. Trump has a huge problem with the female demographic. However, female voters tend to be more security conscious than male voters, and the violence and mayhem the Dems have unleashed is the stuff of home owner and business owner nightmares.

    Granted, it looks like there is an uptick or a flattening in new COVID-19 cases, so that could plague Trump, on the other hand, AstraZeneca may have vaccine approval by the end of October. I don’t think without COVID-19 combined with MSM pravda Biden would stand a chance in hell (huge demographic switch from seniors against Trump since case numbers started raging).

    From my vantage point, it looks like a coin-flip, and if anything, Trump support is swelling. The idea that the tone police at CNN, the NYT’s and Vox are going to be able to control or tamp down the BLM and Anti-Fa yahoos going into the election is naive in the extreme. You have a bunch of people who hate America and can think of nothing better than destroying statutes, assaulting cops, and burning down small businesses, that’s what they do. Its one thing to back and let loose the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan and not expect a boomerang (at least in the short term). Its another thing to let loose the Mujahadeen in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, New York City, and Kenosha.

    What is Biden going to do? He can’t condemn “peaceful protests.” He can’t acknowledge that police are justified in using deadly force against armed criminals (on bail for violent crimes) that resist arrest. Even the slightest condemnation of extremism from his camp is going to be met with scoffers saying that Biden is saying Black Lives Don’t Matter, and his record and Harris’s are terrible on criminal justice in his camp already. Any attempt to back peddle at this time is going to put him in the “middle of the road,” that is, with cars heading straight at him at 70 mph in both directions.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Tulip

    I don’t know about Biden/Harris. The betting odds are tightening to 47/53

    Indeed, while the predicted Biden electoral victory is wide--319 to 219--it's not deep. Florida, Wisconsin, and Arizona are all close to betting coin flips, and Pennsylvania and Minnesota are close. Even New Hampshire and Michigan only favor Biden 2-to-1.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  10. If 2016 was the Flight 93 Election, 2020 is turning out to be the Kenosha, WI Election. Will you help Joe Biden and Kamala Harris turn your home town into Kenosha?

  11. @Tulip
    I don't know about Biden/Harris. The betting odds are tightening to 47/53:


    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_president/


    Kenosha may be a wake up call because it is Everytown, USA. People expect arson, looting and civil unrest in major urban areas. Kenosha personalizes it. Trump has a huge problem with the female demographic. However, female voters tend to be more security conscious than male voters, and the violence and mayhem the Dems have unleashed is the stuff of home owner and business owner nightmares.

    Granted, it looks like there is an uptick or a flattening in new COVID-19 cases, so that could plague Trump, on the other hand, AstraZeneca may have vaccine approval by the end of October. I don't think without COVID-19 combined with MSM pravda Biden would stand a chance in hell (huge demographic switch from seniors against Trump since case numbers started raging).

    From my vantage point, it looks like a coin-flip, and if anything, Trump support is swelling. The idea that the tone police at CNN, the NYT's and Vox are going to be able to control or tamp down the BLM and Anti-Fa yahoos going into the election is naive in the extreme. You have a bunch of people who hate America and can think of nothing better than destroying statutes, assaulting cops, and burning down small businesses, that's what they do. Its one thing to back and let loose the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan and not expect a boomerang (at least in the short term). Its another thing to let loose the Mujahadeen in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, New York City, and Kenosha.

    What is Biden going to do? He can't condemn "peaceful protests." He can't acknowledge that police are justified in using deadly force against armed criminals (on bail for violent crimes) that resist arrest. Even the slightest condemnation of extremism from his camp is going to be met with scoffers saying that Biden is saying Black Lives Don't Matter, and his record and Harris's are terrible on criminal justice in his camp already. Any attempt to back peddle at this time is going to put him in the "middle of the road," that is, with cars heading straight at him at 70 mph in both directions.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    I don’t know about Biden/Harris. The betting odds are tightening to 47/53

    Indeed, while the predicted Biden electoral victory is wide–319 to 219–it’s not deep. Florida, Wisconsin, and Arizona are all close to betting coin flips, and Pennsylvania and Minnesota are close. Even New Hampshire and Michigan only favor Biden 2-to-1.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Audacious Epigone

    That the Presidential race is this close, with one candidate in the throes of dementia with a demonic loathsome running mate, perhaps it’s time to just let it go. Let the unraveling and disintegration and leftist civil war commence.

  12. As perhaps the most Libertarian person on this largely socialist website, some thoughts :

    a) Jo Jorgenson is no more a Libertarian than a Leftist is a ‘Classical Liberal’. Not only because of her tweets, but because it is exceedingly rare for a woman to be a Libertarian. Women are for big government, and that includes ‘conservative’ women.

    b) Audie Baby’s prediction of a Biden blowout will be wrong. Given Audie Baby’s track record of predictions in general (zero for many), this all but ensures a Trump victory (barring Democrat vote fraud).

    c) Johnson’s 3.3% of the vote in 2016 also increases Trump’s chance of victory in 2020, since every time a third party got significant votes when there was no incumbent, the second time a round, most of the third party’s former voters go to the incumbent (Perot, Nader, and now the ‘Libertarian’). Check the data.

    d) Scams like ‘UBI’ are correctly seen as just another trick to introduce socialism by stealth. American voters are not falling for this scam.

    e) Any vote for a minor party candidate usually helps whichever major-party candidate is most opposed to that minor party. The two-party system is thusly rigged, and most people who vote for third parties under a blind desire to ‘stick it to the man’, generate the very opposite effect that they wished for.

    f) I disagree that PA will go to Biden. Biden has threatened to end fracking, which is the best thing to happen to Western PA in half a century.

    ,

    In general, third party voters’ next preference is another third party, not voting, or undervoting.

    This may not affect the absolute number of votes for major party candidates, but does affect percentages.

    @Tom Schmidt,

    He doesn’t deserve it, but I suspect Trump wins, bigly.

    He DOES deserve it. He is awesome! The best President of our lifetimes. The reason WN w*gg*rs don’t like Trump is because his economic policies are not left-wing enough.

    ,

    What is happening in the libertarian world exactly? Does Jorgensen represent the majority of the libertarians now, if not then how did an SJW become the libertarian candidate?

    I explained the answer above, but as you know, your IQ (about 65) is too low to grasp these concepts.

    Oh, and you keep lying that ‘Thomm has been caught as a South Asian’, but never provide any links, particularly any links to what *I* said. That is why you are the epitome of Dunning-Kruger. Come up with links, or STFU.

    There is vastly more evidence that you, like most WNs, are gay. I still remember when you said that ‘heterosexuality should be questioned’ and that you would ‘rather have sex with a white man than a black woman’.

    Get off my lawn, f*gg*t!

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Thomm

    Re: predictions:

    - Never wavered from the prediction that Sanders would not win the nomination. Same with Elizabeth Warren. Predicted Harris, maintained if it wasn't her it would be Biden. Well, I got the one-two reversed.

    - Andy Ngo's star would rise dramatically after he willingly set himself up for violent assault.

    - Nick Sandmann would be successful in his defamation suits.

    - Consumer price increases are coming. We're already seeing the beginning of that. Even the officially measured CPI is increasing faster than the average over the last decade, something that obviously shouldn't be happening if this economic downturn is deflationary in nature. Jerome Powell just announced a change in Fed policy from a 2% ceiling to targeting 2% as a multiyear average. This is effectively admitting that the Fed is okay with an increase in consumer prices--as the Fed must be, since it can't do anything save for crashing the economy to keep them from coming.

    - Biden will win in November, by hook or by crook.

    - Political dissolution will be very seriously considered if not have already occurred by the end of this Crisis of the Third Decade.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

  13. Biden only needs to win 4 or 5 close states by 100,000 votes each to win the Electoral vote by 100 votes, which is a large win, like it or not. yes, that’s a wide but thin win in reality, but a 100 vote EC win is a solid political win. which is still what i’m predicting. haven’t changed my prediction in over 2 years.

    Democrats understand math like this and plan to cheat as much as possible, and know WHERE to cheat for maximum national effect. getting an extra 50,000 votes in 4 or 5 states via cheating, to put Biden’s popular vote into a 100,000 to 150,00 vote lead, enough that it’s above the margin of error and something everybody would have to accept and is out of reach of recount laws, is all they need to do.

    just voting fraud alone is enough to win this one for Democrats, before even taking into account the demographics or the issues. no wonder they’re pushing Fraud By Mail so hard.

  14. Now that marijuana is legal almost everywhere, and now that smartphone connectivity has made pornography and prostitution readily available, there is no more reason for the libertarian party to exist.

    Libertarians always talked a lot about free markets, personal responsibility, reducing the welfare state and the influence of central banks, etc.

    But, judging by their deeds (what actually brought them out to vote), its reasonable to conclude libertarians only cared about easy access to drugs and sex.

  15. “The Woke don’t care if you’re with them on 50% or even 90% of things. If there is the slightest deviation from the dictated consensus on anything, you’re a racist sympathizer if not an outright nazi.”
    – AE

    A very important observation, AE. In “Curating Revolution,” a recent book by Yale professor Denise Ho, she explains that the above was exactly the norm in Mao’s cultural revolution. A single piece of oppositional, contrarian evidence was sufficient to constitute “ironclad evidence; proof of crime.” I believe that this habit of thought, this pattern of speech, this philosophy, is but one of many parallels. And, that this particular one will have profound impact upon our politics and society.

    This is my last post. I wish to express my appreciation for this webzine to Mr. Ron Unz, to the essayists, and to the commenters. With great respect, SafeNow.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @SafeNow

    I am curious why are you bailing on us, SafeNow. I've always liked your comments. This can be a big time suck, but if you're still reading and can tell us, please do.

  16. @neutral
    @JBirks

    What is happening in the libertarian world exactly? Does Jorgensen represent the majority of the libertarians now, if not then how did an SJW become the libertarian candidate?

    Replies: @Mark G., @dfordoom

    What is happening in the libertarian world exactly? Does Jorgensen represent the majority of the libertarians now, if not then how did an SJW become the libertarian candidate?

    Most libertarians abandoned the LP because they decided it didn’t have a chance. Over the nine elections starting with Hospers in 1972 they never got more than one percent of the vote. Beside not attracting voters, the only wealthy financial donors they ever attracted were the Koch brothers and a schism between them and the Rothbardians caused them to withdraw financial support.

    Americans traditionally won’t vote for third parties. The American political system was designed in a way that there would not be numerous small parties in the legislative body like in some European countries. Ballot access requirements have been made onerous by the two major parties so third parties have to put in most of their time just getting on the ballot. The major media ignores third parties.

    Most libertarians figured out a third party wasn’t the way to go by 2008 and voted for Ron Paul in the primaries. Paul had run as a Libertarian candidate previously but got more media attention and attracted more people to libertarian ideas running in the Republican primaries so that further justified that as a better strategy. Who was left in the Libertarian party were people who didn’t like the Paulian brand of libertarianism. The LP chairman didn’t like Paul and the LP ran mainstream politicians like Johnson and Weld who were barely libertarian or candidates who are more left libertarian like the current pro-BLM candidate.

  17. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:

    A liberteeny girl virtue signaled in the mode of the Current Year as part of her campaign? Wow, whatta surprise! Who would have ever expected that? Is she the governor of Free State New Hampshire? No? Wow, whatta surprise!

    Liberteenies, like greenies, are statistical noise in almost any political campaign. Probably even more so this election cycle.

  18. On betfair Joe Biden has drifted over the last few days from about 0.7 to 1 out to 0.93 to 1.

  19. @Audacious Epigone
    @Tulip

    I don’t know about Biden/Harris. The betting odds are tightening to 47/53

    Indeed, while the predicted Biden electoral victory is wide--319 to 219--it's not deep. Florida, Wisconsin, and Arizona are all close to betting coin flips, and Pennsylvania and Minnesota are close. Even New Hampshire and Michigan only favor Biden 2-to-1.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That the Presidential race is this close, with one candidate in the throes of dementia with a demonic loathsome running mate, perhaps it’s time to just let it go. Let the unraveling and disintegration and leftist civil war commence.

    • Agree: Brian Reilly
  20. @Thomm
    As perhaps the most Libertarian person on this largely socialist website, some thoughts :

    a) Jo Jorgenson is no more a Libertarian than a Leftist is a 'Classical Liberal'. Not only because of her tweets, but because it is exceedingly rare for a woman to be a Libertarian. Women are for big government, and that includes 'conservative' women.

    b) Audie Baby's prediction of a Biden blowout will be wrong. Given Audie Baby's track record of predictions in general (zero for many), this all but ensures a Trump victory (barring Democrat vote fraud).

    c) Johnson's 3.3% of the vote in 2016 also increases Trump's chance of victory in 2020, since every time a third party got significant votes when there was no incumbent, the second time a round, most of the third party's former voters go to the incumbent (Perot, Nader, and now the 'Libertarian'). Check the data.

    d) Scams like 'UBI' are correctly seen as just another trick to introduce socialism by stealth. American voters are not falling for this scam.

    e) Any vote for a minor party candidate usually helps whichever major-party candidate is most opposed to that minor party. The two-party system is thusly rigged, and most people who vote for third parties under a blind desire to 'stick it to the man', generate the very opposite effect that they wished for.

    f) I disagree that PA will go to Biden. Biden has threatened to end fracking, which is the best thing to happen to Western PA in half a century.

    @Lot,


    In general, third party voters’ next preference is another third party, not voting, or undervoting.
     
    This may not affect the absolute number of votes for major party candidates, but does affect percentages.


    @Tom Schmidt,


    He doesn’t deserve it, but I suspect Trump wins, bigly.
     
    He DOES deserve it. He is awesome! The best President of our lifetimes. The reason WN w*gg*rs don't like Trump is because his economic policies are not left-wing enough.


    @neutral,


    What is happening in the libertarian world exactly? Does Jorgensen represent the majority of the libertarians now, if not then how did an SJW become the libertarian candidate?

     

    I explained the answer above, but as you know, your IQ (about 65) is too low to grasp these concepts.

    Oh, and you keep lying that 'Thomm has been caught as a South Asian', but never provide any links, particularly any links to what *I* said. That is why you are the epitome of Dunning-Kruger. Come up with links, or STFU.

    There is vastly more evidence that you, like most WNs, are gay. I still remember when you said that 'heterosexuality should be questioned' and that you would 'rather have sex with a white man than a black woman'.

    Get off my lawn, f*gg*t!


    https://youtu.be/MD53hwAN5DY

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Re: predictions:

    – Never wavered from the prediction that Sanders would not win the nomination. Same with Elizabeth Warren. Predicted Harris, maintained if it wasn’t her it would be Biden. Well, I got the one-two reversed.

    – Andy Ngo’s star would rise dramatically after he willingly set himself up for violent assault.

    – Nick Sandmann would be successful in his defamation suits.

    – Consumer price increases are coming. We’re already seeing the beginning of that. Even the officially measured CPI is increasing faster than the average over the last decade, something that obviously shouldn’t be happening if this economic downturn is deflationary in nature. Jerome Powell just announced a change in Fed policy from a 2% ceiling to targeting 2% as a multiyear average. This is effectively admitting that the Fed is okay with an increase in consumer prices–as the Fed must be, since it can’t do anything save for crashing the economy to keep them from coming.

    – Biden will win in November, by hook or by crook.

    – Political dissolution will be very seriously considered if not have already occurred by the end of this Crisis of the Third Decade.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @Audacious Epigone


    – Biden will win in November, by hook or by crook.
     
    I predict that if Biden wins, COVID will disappear by November 5, 2020.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Alexander Turok

  21. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    Reagan said he didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left him.

    The next Ronald Reagan will say he didn’t leave the Democratic Party, they kicked him out. Did you hear the Democratic Party had a membership drive? They drove out 15 members!

    That’s how I feel on some days, that said, I don’t feel much welcome from the Republicans either. I’m a white male but also an urban, irreligious “soyboy” with no desire to convert to Christianity, marry some thot, have a bunch of kids, and celebrate my freedumb by not wearing a mask. I am not going to embrace a movement that thinks hating me is acceptable, so I’m not voting for either major party. Jorgensen grates on me with her virtue signalling, but she strikes me as a decent human being, much unlike Trump or Biden, who wouldn’t try to incite a bunch of unstable lunatics for political advantage as they do. Although she would probably be the worst of the three if actually given complete power, she won’t gain power, not now and not in any realistic decade-from-now future, as her libertarian views leave her a dead letter in the increasingly non-white society she has helped to create.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  22. The U.S. Chamber of China Worship Commerce is embracing a slate of SJW Democrats (1)

    Every former administration took massive payments from the CoC and allowed the Chamber to write trade agreements language for decades. The CoC business model was to take payments from Wall Street multinationals and then write the agreements to their benefit.

    President Trump knew about the CoC business model; that’s why he never allowed them a seat at the ‘America First’ table. … the U.S. Chamber dropped their pretense and admitted they were now supporting democrats because the CoC effort can only succeed by destroying Main St.

    The CoC was never a “right wing organization”, nor was it a “republican organization”; it was always a multinational globalist organization structured to support Wall Street and destroy Main Street. It was always a feature, not a flaw…. but no-one would believe it.

    Standby for some extremely confused messaging and tap dancing around issues. The DNC is now 100% committed to obeying Wall Street MegaBanks.

    PEACE 😇

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/28/the-bloom-is-off-the-ruse-tom-donohue-and-u-s-chamber-of-commerce-announce-support-for-far-left-democrats-in-2020/

  23. I believe Trump has this won.

    Biden is too senile to debate. He ducks and he loses.

    Harris does zip for the base. She’s a cop to the D-Party.

    These riots are pushing Whites to Trump.

    Even the college voters may break for him this year.

    The D-Party is using the Sailer Strategy that the GOP won’t.

    That should make the black party lose a lot of other colored voters.

  24. @Lot
    Third parties take less from their closest major party than you’d expect in the studies I have seen.

    Zero of the actual Ron Paul voters I’ve known over the years would ever vote for Trump. They were a mix of antiwar hippies and very socially liberal rich businessmen.

    Gary J was a kookie pothot who ran against Trump.

    In general, third party voters’ next preference is another third party, not voting, or undervoting.

    If the libertarians do drop 2 million votes, it will likely be something like Trump +400k, Biden +300k, others +300k, not voting or undervoting 1000k.

    Given how close WI MI FL NH MN are going to be, even a net 100k spread over the US is helpful.

    Replies: @Redman, @Achmed E. Newman

    You are right about libs usually voting for third parties. But quite wrong about the Ron Paul voter type. I’m far from a hippie or socially liberal and have voted for RP three times. Voted for Trump in 2016.

    The late great Justin Raimondo was one of the biggest Ron Paul supporters, and later supported Trump. He coined the term Trump Derangement Syndrome and correctly saw that much of the organized hatred against Trump was because of his non-interventionist foreign policy positions. Follow the U.S. war money.

  25. @Audacious Epigone
    @Thomm

    Re: predictions:

    - Never wavered from the prediction that Sanders would not win the nomination. Same with Elizabeth Warren. Predicted Harris, maintained if it wasn't her it would be Biden. Well, I got the one-two reversed.

    - Andy Ngo's star would rise dramatically after he willingly set himself up for violent assault.

    - Nick Sandmann would be successful in his defamation suits.

    - Consumer price increases are coming. We're already seeing the beginning of that. Even the officially measured CPI is increasing faster than the average over the last decade, something that obviously shouldn't be happening if this economic downturn is deflationary in nature. Jerome Powell just announced a change in Fed policy from a 2% ceiling to targeting 2% as a multiyear average. This is effectively admitting that the Fed is okay with an increase in consumer prices--as the Fed must be, since it can't do anything save for crashing the economy to keep them from coming.

    - Biden will win in November, by hook or by crook.

    - Political dissolution will be very seriously considered if not have already occurred by the end of this Crisis of the Third Decade.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    – Biden will win in November, by hook or by crook.

    I predict that if Biden wins, COVID will disappear by November 5, 2020.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Curmudgeon

    Maybe mid-January of 2021, but the point is well taken.

    , @Alexander Turok
    @Curmudgeon

    This is just psychological projection on your part. You invent fictions for political benefit, I'll bet you believe in Q, and project that onto others. Though what Russia, China, and Iran are supposed to get from conspiring to depose Dumb Prole President is beyond me.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

  26. I’ve always thought that Libertarians were well along the loony end of the spectrum. This confirms it.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @MBlanc46

    This differs little from what Mitt Romney said.

  27. @Curmudgeon
    @Audacious Epigone


    – Biden will win in November, by hook or by crook.
     
    I predict that if Biden wins, COVID will disappear by November 5, 2020.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Alexander Turok

    Maybe mid-January of 2021, but the point is well taken.

  28. @Curmudgeon
    @Audacious Epigone


    – Biden will win in November, by hook or by crook.
     
    I predict that if Biden wins, COVID will disappear by November 5, 2020.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Alexander Turok

    This is just psychological projection on your part. You invent fictions for political benefit, I’ll bet you believe in Q, and project that onto others. Though what Russia, China, and Iran are supposed to get from conspiring to depose Dumb Prole President is beyond me.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @Alexander Turok


    I’ll bet you believe in Q, and project that onto others.
     
    Y0u'd lose that bet.

    Though what Russia, China, and Iran are supposed to get from conspiring to depose Dumb Prole President is beyond me.
     
    Am I supposed to take you seriously?

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

  29. @MBlanc46
    I’ve always thought that Libertarians were well along the loony end of the spectrum. This confirms it.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    This differs little from what Mitt Romney said.

  30. @Lot
    Third parties take less from their closest major party than you’d expect in the studies I have seen.

    Zero of the actual Ron Paul voters I’ve known over the years would ever vote for Trump. They were a mix of antiwar hippies and very socially liberal rich businessmen.

    Gary J was a kookie pothot who ran against Trump.

    In general, third party voters’ next preference is another third party, not voting, or undervoting.

    If the libertarians do drop 2 million votes, it will likely be something like Trump +400k, Biden +300k, others +300k, not voting or undervoting 1000k.

    Given how close WI MI FL NH MN are going to be, even a net 100k spread over the US is helpful.

    Replies: @Redman, @Achmed E. Newman

    Zero of the actual Ron Paul voters I’ve known over the years would ever vote for Trump.

    Hey, I thought I was your friend, Lot. At least you know me. Now it’s 1.

    I told Ron Paul in person during the ’12 primary that he needed to talk about illegal immigration if he wanted to win my State, in which he was campaigning. Alas, he didn’t take it to heart.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Hey, I thought I was your friend, Lot."

    https://www.nicepng.com/png/detail/148-1486857_11125521-apustaja-hug.png

    "Now it’s 1."

    And redman makes 2. However, doesn't go against my point, since you and him won't be new Trump voters in 2020. Know any Gary Johnson 2016 to Trump voters 2020?

    While I do think they exist, I think there won't be very many when netted against GJ>Biden voters.

  31. @SafeNow
    “The Woke don’t care if you’re with them on 50% or even 90% of things. If there is the slightest deviation from the dictated consensus on anything, you’re a racist sympathizer if not an outright nazi.”
    - AE

    A very important observation, AE. In “Curating Revolution,” a recent book by Yale professor Denise Ho, she explains that the above was exactly the norm in Mao’s cultural revolution. A single piece of oppositional, contrarian evidence was sufficient to constitute “ironclad evidence; proof of crime.” I believe that this habit of thought, this pattern of speech, this philosophy, is but one of many parallels. And, that this particular one will have profound impact upon our politics and society.

    This is my last post. I wish to express my appreciation for this webzine to Mr. Ron Unz, to the essayists, and to the commenters. With great respect, SafeNow.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I am curious why are you bailing on us, SafeNow. I’ve always liked your comments. This can be a big time suck, but if you’re still reading and can tell us, please do.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  32. @neutral
    @JBirks

    What is happening in the libertarian world exactly? Does Jorgensen represent the majority of the libertarians now, if not then how did an SJW become the libertarian candidate?

    Replies: @Mark G., @dfordoom

    What is happening in the libertarian world exactly?

    Does anybody in the real world even care?

  33. @Achmed E. Newman
    Geeze! I'm a Libertarian (and Conservative) by ideology, but I haven't been keeping up with these people. I appreciate your post, A.E., as, the way Trump has been pissing me off, I was THAT CLOSE to reflexively punching the L chad, just like an old black man pulling "D" fresh out of the church meeting, driven to the voting location in a van, with a coupon for a free fried chicken dinner.

    When was the last decent one on the "L" ticket? 2000? Gary Johnson was an open borders freak.

    .

    PS: I just remembered: In 2012, since Dr. Paul dropped out (of the R-candidate race), I voted for Chuck Baldwin. He's a Libertarian and a great guy, but he ran as a Constitutionalist, as there was already someone on the L ticket.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    When was the last decent one on the “L” ticket?

    Michael Badnarik?

  34. @Alexander Turok
    @Curmudgeon

    This is just psychological projection on your part. You invent fictions for political benefit, I'll bet you believe in Q, and project that onto others. Though what Russia, China, and Iran are supposed to get from conspiring to depose Dumb Prole President is beyond me.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    I’ll bet you believe in Q, and project that onto others.

    Y0u’d lose that bet.

    Though what Russia, China, and Iran are supposed to get from conspiring to depose Dumb Prole President is beyond me.

    Am I supposed to take you seriously?

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Curmudgeon


    Am I supposed to take you seriously?
     
    I presume you're still in sixth-grade mode where you don't understand the difference between being tough and talking tough. No matter who wins, Trump or Biden, the same coalition of arms merchants and Israel-firsters will control America's foreign policy.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

  35. This post presents some interesting observations. I did not realize the Libertarian party had gone so far left. Jo Jorgensen seems a long way from Bob Barr.

  36. @Curmudgeon
    @Alexander Turok


    I’ll bet you believe in Q, and project that onto others.
     
    Y0u'd lose that bet.

    Though what Russia, China, and Iran are supposed to get from conspiring to depose Dumb Prole President is beyond me.
     
    Am I supposed to take you seriously?

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    Am I supposed to take you seriously?

    I presume you’re still in sixth-grade mode where you don’t understand the difference between being tough and talking tough. No matter who wins, Trump or Biden, the same coalition of arms merchants and Israel-firsters will control America’s foreign policy.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @Alexander Turok

    Nah, I was beyond the 6th grade in the 50s. Your quoted statement, as written, says Russia, China, and Iran are deposing Trump. That is my problem with it.
    I agree that the occupant of the Orifice of the Puppet of the Excited States is irrelevant, and the country will continue to be run from Tel Aviv.

  37. The libertarians are not a serious political force.

    Politics is collectivism personified anyway.

    These city dudes wanna be rugged “individualists” or whatnot.

    I expect more will vote for Kanye West than this Jorgensen woman.

    I still say Trump wins. Biden is more stupid than you give him credit.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Dr. Doom

    I expect more will vote for Kanye West than this Jorgensen woman.

    That would be funny. I have no idea how likely that is to occur, but it doesn't seem impossible.

  38. @Alexander Turok
    @Curmudgeon


    Am I supposed to take you seriously?
     
    I presume you're still in sixth-grade mode where you don't understand the difference between being tough and talking tough. No matter who wins, Trump or Biden, the same coalition of arms merchants and Israel-firsters will control America's foreign policy.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    Nah, I was beyond the 6th grade in the 50s. Your quoted statement, as written, says Russia, China, and Iran are deposing Trump. That is my problem with it.
    I agree that the occupant of the Orifice of the Puppet of the Excited States is irrelevant, and the country will continue to be run from Tel Aviv.

  39. @Dr. Doom
    The libertarians are not a serious political force.

    Politics is collectivism personified anyway.

    These city dudes wanna be rugged "individualists" or whatnot.

    I expect more will vote for Kanye West than this Jorgensen woman.

    I still say Trump wins. Biden is more stupid than you give him credit.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    I expect more will vote for Kanye West than this Jorgensen woman.

    That would be funny. I have no idea how likely that is to occur, but it doesn’t seem impossible.

  40. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lot


    Zero of the actual Ron Paul voters I’ve known over the years would ever vote for Trump.
     
    Hey, I thought I was your friend, Lot. At least you know me. Now it's 1.

    I told Ron Paul in person during the '12 primary that he needed to talk about illegal immigration if he wanted to win my State, in which he was campaigning. Alas, he didn't take it to heart.

    Replies: @Lot

    “Hey, I thought I was your friend, Lot.”

    “Now it’s 1.”

    And redman makes 2. However, doesn’t go against my point, since you and him won’t be new Trump voters in 2020. Know any Gary Johnson 2016 to Trump voters 2020?

    While I do think they exist, I think there won’t be very many when netted against GJ>Biden voters.

  41. libertarians are materialist individualists, thus they of course cannot conserve traditional morality, nor traditional community, nor votes.

    socialists are materialist communitarians, their error is slightly lesser but not by much, as it devolves into the similar degeneracy due to lack of tradition.

    Republicans should take this sjw lady’s words and use them to declare libertarianism anathema in the party. trade rinos for dinos, really; it’s what we need.

    ps. we could still keep Rand Paul to stand against foreign wars, if for nothing else.

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