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The following graph shows net support (opposition) to “the US government doing more to fight domestic terrorism” by selected demographics:

Nearly twenty years ago, Republicans, flush with corporate cash, waged a war on terror while ignoring the perceived systematic civil rights violations perpetrated against groups like gays and immigrants. That war created countless terrorists and terrorist-sympathizers out of good people who just wanted to live their lives before the liberators from hell made it impossible for them to do. Because Republicans made a mess out of everything in the process the subsequent decade was owned by the left.

Today Democrats, flush with corporate cash, are in the midst of waging a war on terror while not only ignoring but taking delight in systematic civil rights violations perpetrated against white men. It is sure to make terrorists and terrorist-sympathizers out of the many innocent people it will persecute. If you think Democrats are going to avoid making a mess out of everything in the process, I have a thousand shares of GameStop shares to sell you.

 
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  1. Overheard from an old guy at [redacted]:

    “It’s barely February. They got almost a month to pick out a church, and a month and a half to burn it to the ground with everyone inside. Keep your shirt on.”

  2. White America is so pathetic that it can’t even wage a simple act of defiance like boycotting the top 3 advertisers on CNN. I guess the urge to spend every dollar on unwanted crap for your home and your stomach is too much to resist. Bloody pathetic.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @indocon

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save "Western civilization" because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a "White ethno-state," so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of "decent folk" who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of "the people." If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. "Old stock Americans," WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Liberty Mike, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @songbird, @Almost Missouri, @Brian Reilly, @indocon, @anon, @Johnny Smoggins

  3. These graphs all look alike. It’s a war with educated white women and blacks on one side and uneducated white men on the other. Stock broker Karen and ghetto Jamal vs Joe six pack. If Joe doesn’t win it’s his own fault.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @rebel yell

    It's interesting that Hispanics, for all their defects, are not so keen on the "war on whitey". They're less interested in that than white men wth a degree. I think they know that, without whites, society would suck or crumble. Something that blacks, and perhaps a few women, don't really understand. Until it's too late and we're in Brazil or Haiti.

    (I don't see Asians here, but it's probably also very low. This seems to prove that those who "hate whitey" and in particular lower-class whites, are mostly blacks, powerful jews, educated women and other high-status whites. Although, I have seen my share of Latinos complaining about "white supremacy", but I think it's more brainwashed college kids - same as happens to whites. The uneducated ones don't care.)

    , @Realist
    @rebel yell


    It’s a war with educated white women and blacks on one side and uneducated white men on the other.
     
    The graph has no group labeled as educated. You are conflating having a degree with being educated. This is most certainly not the case...especially in this time period.

    A degree outside of a STEM study is indoctrination...and sometimes within.

    Replies: @Liberty Mike, @Mark G.

    , @nokangaroos
    @rebel yell

    On the bright side, White men without degree are not as stupid as they are made out to be.

  4. @rebel yell
    These graphs all look alike. It's a war with educated white women and blacks on one side and uneducated white men on the other. Stock broker Karen and ghetto Jamal vs Joe six pack. If Joe doesn't win it's his own fault.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Realist, @nokangaroos

    It’s interesting that Hispanics, for all their defects, are not so keen on the “war on whitey”. They’re less interested in that than white men wth a degree. I think they know that, without whites, society would suck or crumble. Something that blacks, and perhaps a few women, don’t really understand. Until it’s too late and we’re in Brazil or Haiti.

    (I don’t see Asians here, but it’s probably also very low. This seems to prove that those who “hate whitey” and in particular lower-class whites, are mostly blacks, powerful jews, educated women and other high-status whites. Although, I have seen my share of Latinos complaining about “white supremacy”, but I think it’s more brainwashed college kids – same as happens to whites. The uneducated ones don’t care.)

  5. Another case of a survey with shonky parameters. Nobody — the people asking the question, or those answering — knows what “doing more” entails. Then there is the definition of “domestic terrorism” — stealing Pelosi’s mail is an act of terrorism, and so is blowing up a truck.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Nodwink


    Another case of a survey with shonky parameters. Nobody — the people asking the question, or those answering — knows what “doing more” entails.
     
    What makes it even less useful is that when you say domestic terrorism Republicans think of antifa and Democrats think of MAGAtards.

    Also Republicans tend to think of terrorism as involving blowing stuff up and shooting people. Democrats tend to think of terrorism as involving hurting people's feelings.
  6. On 9/12/2001, there was a widespread consensus regarding who had killed a bunch of civilians the day before and how it was done. You may say that consensus was incorrect, but that is beside the point. At the time, the main left/right debate wasn’t over what just happened, it was over what to do about it. Unsurprisingly, taking some military action against the perceived organizers won out overwhelmingly. This culminated six months later in Operation Anaconda to destroy what was left of Al Qaeda at Tora Bora, which, like most military operations, was a partial success. After that, a weird shell game of goalpost moving began and the what-to-do consensus began to fray, which continues down to today.

    Whatever your opinion about that, that “War on Terror” was against a foreign military outfit that practically everyone agreed was responsible for an atrocity against civilians in the US. This new “War on Terror”, which is currently being push-polled, is against American citizens whose atrocity was to move a podium in The People’s House. In other words, the two “Wars on Terror” are not only different and distinct, they are practically opposite. Also unsurprisingly, people who opposed the former love the latter, and vice versa. The only consistent thing about both “Wars on Terror” is that a bunch of stuff that is facially irrelevant to the supposed cause of each “War” will be rammed through the assembly lines of the consent factory, giving more power and money to unelected, unsupervised and unknown people.

    while ignoring the perceived systematic civil rights violations perpetrated against groups like gays and immigrants.

    Not sure what this is referring to. Gay and immigrant “civil rights” have been part and parcel of the “War on Terror” narrative since the beginning. Gays and immigrants have been increasing and increasingly coddled and pandered to in parallel with the growth and metastization of the “War on Terror”. “Gay Rights” has been one of the slogans used to promote the supposed “War on Terror”, e.g., that the Taliban were killing homos ergo we must kill Taliban. Muslim immigration has massively increased as part of the “War on Terror”. The logic of these thigs always escaped me, but the reality of them happening in parallel and being used to justify one another is undeniable.

    If you think Democrats are going to avoid making a mess out of everything

    Yes they will. Unfortunately, their “mess” will be us.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Almost Missouri

    Also unsurprisingly, people who opposed the former love the latter, and vice versa. The only consistent thing about both “Wars on Terror” is that a bunch of stuff that is facially irrelevant to the supposed cause of each “War” will be rammed through the assembly lines of the consent factory, giving more power and money to unelected, unsupervised and unknown people.

    There will be no rehabilitating of the GOPe leadership. The corporate media is trying to spin a narrative of factionalism within the Republican party, as though Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney are on one side and Marjorie Green and Trump are on the other as the battle for hearts and minds wages. That's total BS. The Cheney/Romney wing is DOA among Republican voters. There's no way the GOPe can even rig things to put someone like them at the head of the party anymore. This is the time to try and fuse that with the Ron Paul liberty movement--a not insignificant faction of the right that opposed both the War on Terror and War on Terror 2.

  7. The logic of these thigs always escaped me, but the reality of them happening in parallel and being used to justify one another is undeniable.

    Their goal was never to create a coherent ideology, it was always ultimately about white genocide. More non whites (most Muslims are non white) moving into white lands supports white genocide. The destruction of all traditional values means less white people born, so their hedonistic gay bullshit makes sense.

    I need to add that trying to use reason or show the ever more ludicrous contradictions is pointless. You must treat these people as your mortal enemy and nothing less.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @neutral


    Their goal was never to create a coherent ideology, it was always ultimately about white genocide.
     
    Nope. It was always ultimately about class warfare. The Deplorables are the main target, not because they're white but because they're lower-class.
    , @dfordoom
    @neutral

    Even the War on Christianity is largely a class war, with conservative Christians being hated because they belong to the wrong social classes.

    Replies: @216, @The Germ Theory of Disease

  8. @indocon
    White America is so pathetic that it can't even wage a simple act of defiance like boycotting the top 3 advertisers on CNN. I guess the urge to spend every dollar on unwanted crap for your home and your stomach is too much to resist. Bloody pathetic.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save “Western civilization” because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a “White ethno-state,” so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of “decent folk” who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of “the people.” If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. “Old stock Americans,” WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    • Thanks: Dumbo
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The premise here is not wrong — regarding what ‘western civilization’ is, but you haven’t mentioned Protestantism the ideological foundation yet. WASPs handed over their civilization to Jews because Protestantism is watered down Talmudism devoid of tradition. The Anglo variety was founded by a debtor and philanderer, much like Trumpenberg. WASPs can’t usurize more efficiently with Jews due to Christian altruism, and were unseated shortly after opening the door for exploitative reasons.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @anon

    , @Liberty Mike
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Other than that, did you enjoy AE's post?

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Wow. Wrong about everything, you're six for six here with heroic-levels of wrongness. Impressive, in an Addams Family sort of way.

    FORTUNE: Try turning the telescope in the opposite direction!

    , @songbird
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Many nonwhites suffer from type II diabetes at high rates. Is it a moral failing? Or is it in their genes? Probably the latter, I'd say.

    There's some theory that whites had similar rates a few hundred years ago, when exposed to the cornucopia of the New World and improved agricultural techniques. But that the genes changed, as diabetes makes pregnancy more difficult.

    Likewise today, I think whites may be experiencing a political diabetes, resultant from new conditions that significantly differ from the old. Ones that others have yet to experience at the same level, which broadly speaking, they (or others) aren't evolved to deal with.

    This political diabetes is, in part, lack of ethnocentrism. It is not totally lacking among whites, but a fair portion do lack it, and it is doubtful any argument will win them over. Easier to heard cats than get liberals to go against their orthodoxy. It is not a moral failing to not be able to do it. Nobody could.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Someone is benefiting, "winning", from the current trajectory of affairs. Most of us could probably list in a general or specific way who those people are. Most of the lists would probably have significant overlap.

    Are the people thus identified as "winners" in any way "morally better" than those whose elimination the "winners" are now calling for? Are they more true, good or beautiful in any way? (Recall that those now being labelled "domestic terrorists" were content to live and let live with those now doing the lethal labeling of their political opponents while openly deploying military force domestically and preparing the military ideologically for domestic use against them.)

    I suspect most of us would agree the "winners" are not better and in most cases are demonstrably worse. That being the case, why should the most morally inferior and most intolerant conquer and rule over the less morally inferior and less intolerant? What moral purpose is served by this inverted state of affairs?

    Yes, those getting abolished have flaws, but no one doesn't. If being flawed is grounds for elimination, everyone is in line for execution in such a moral universe. You may say all mortals are doomed to die anyway, and that is true, but if that is the reason for the current state of affairs, then we are already back to the law of jungle.

    You may be happy to write off all of US history as a masonic heresy and indeed to write off all of Western Civilization as a "sickness", but it wasn't very long ago in the US and the West in general that everything perverse, depraved, sick, ugly, false, and parasitical was not elevated over everything ordinary however flawed. That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Brian Reilly, @dfordoom, @AnotherDad

    , @Brian Reilly
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Intel, Whose or which moral teaching ought we undertake the hard work of to become morally better? Stoic? Confucian? Koranic? Hindu? Adopted or imposed?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @neutral

    , @indocon
    @Intelligent Dasein

    American system runs on a very simple premise, every pay check earner is going to spend every dollar they are expected to earn, on stuff they probably don't need, but with the aim of keeping this cycle of money going. The rump white America could do a simple act tomorrow to throw a caterpillar into the moving machine (forget a wrench) - we are going to save more and spend less, across the board. That means no more new iPhone for little Lily when the old phone is working fine, keep all cars and trucks running til 150k miles minimum, shop locally, stop eating anything kade with corn syrup, vacation in RVs instead of splurging 10k on stupid Meexico packagers, cut off TV and make your kids read more, coach your local kids teams, take care of your parents instead of sending them to assisted living....all of this is easy stuff to do.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @anon
    @Intelligent Dasein


    There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a “White ethno-state,” so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.
     
    This belief is why we lose. Not all Whites are worthy, but there are more than enough Whites in the United States with sufficient ethnocentrism -- something that will become increasingly true the more we are oppressed -- to seceed and form an actual White ethnostate somewhere else. American Whites are not Europeans, not in the same way you implied, so the comparison is irrelevant. They are mixed to a degree that some kind of pan-European pride could work. It works for blacks, and they are not descended from a single nation.

    In fact, it did work for Whites in the recent past. American Whites were far more ethnocentric -- explicitly so -- just two or three generations ago, so once again you are wrong. There is no iron law of the universe that prevents a resurgence in White pride given the right conditions. Add in a political ideology to rally around and a defined goal to push things along and it could happen.

    In fact, it is already happening. There is a congresswomen who is openly embracing her White identity as she's being defenestrated by the Left. Granted, she's a conspiracy type ... but her rhetoric portends something to come. MAGA normies are getting redpilled fast. White identity only faded in the first place because Whites made a Faustian bargain to win national elections through the republican party. Whites are diverse -- geographically, culturally, politically, and socially. They needed to put aside differences to win, but that time is coming to an end due to demographic change. The GOP can never win again due to immigration, so the age of identity is reemerging. With no reason to vote for a party that can't win, there is increasingly little reason for normie Whites to moderate or put aside identity.

    Whites will come to see themselves as a distinct group in this age. It won't include White leftists, but it will include some Whites. In that respect, you'll see the formation of something akin to European ethnic identity over pan-White identity.

    This doesn't have to include all Whites to work, simply a large fraction. We could even use a political party or ideology as an implicit dog whistle. Leftist Whites won't hear it, and that's a good thing. We should seek to find those who think the way we do and build a community for those people, ignoring the rest as an outgroup, regardless of skin pigmentation.

    As I've pointed out before, there is a solution to these, increasingly ominous, problems you're seeing unfolding around you: secession. This is the most likely scenario that both works and preserves some semblance of order while also preventing our people from being totally destroyed, which is the path we're on now. Is it guaranteed to work? No. But I can guarantee you that doing nothing will result in our eventual annihilation. So, what choice do we have but to try it?

    Civic nationalism failed. Multiracialism failed. Americanism failed. What's left? What's your idea? Totalitarian Leftism? No thanks. Count me out.



    I'm honestly at a loss to understand why this obvious solution is resisted or ignored.

    [Yes, I know how bizarre the following will sound, but try to understand what I'm saying.]

    Let's secede, let's get our own Zion like the Jews did. Then we can set ourselves on the path to create a long-lasting home for our people, one free of this madness and the certain madness to come. This state could last essentially forever if we embrace science.

    Here's what I mean: we can use a combination of psychometric testing, genetic testing, and AI to identify White progressive self-haters, then remove them from positions of influence by law. With the right government programs enacted, that demographic could then be encouraged to relocate to blue areas of continental America; why would they stay when they are barred from government jobs?. Since we know politics is heritable, this segregation will create a permanently stable society never again susceptible to self-hating Leftist degeneration.

    Facial recognition reveals political party

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/facial-recognition-reveals-political-party-in-troubling-new-research/ar-BB1cIVA7
     
    Rethink human history in terms of biology and not ideology or events. In that light, ask yourself how many of the people involved in the Bolshevik Revolution, The French Revolution, the Spartacist Uprising and all the rest might be similarly lumped in with the self-hating progressive Left by a modern AI. My guess: the various populations overlap genetically to a high degree, irrespective of professed ideology. History is about personalities and not just about fads and ideologies. Examine the genes of Robespierre and you'll find those that make up his personality closely match those of antifa, Leftist whites, or even an alien foreigner like AOC.

    Western civilization is forced to endure periodic collapse due to the presence of these people in the population. This keeps happening because there are genes within the population that continue existing through time, causing society to collapse under the right conditions when those who bear them can act -- in a war, a famine, when overthrowing a corrupt king ... democracy, etc. Get rid of them and your problem is solved forever.

    Yes, Paul Ramsey has used the analogy of a high school bully to argue the opposite -- "if you get rid of the high school bully, another one takes his place, so it's pointless" -- but that's not really true, not absolutely. Personality types vary, and they are genetic in origin. Another bully may take the place of a deposed one, but not infinitely so. There are only so many bully genes. Get rid of enough of them, and they are gone for good because the children of non-bullies are likely to also be non-bullies; personality is heritable. This has already happened to a degree in our society. It has been speculated that European propensity for violence has been greatly reduced since antiquity through the legal system executing murderers before they could pass on their genes.

    Western Civilization undergoes these periodic and destructive upheavals because there is a group with a self-serving (and ultimately ruinous for society) social strategy influencing events. Leftists (left-wing fascists) are akin to psychopaths in this regard:

    Did humanity evolve to have psychopaths? - Big Think

    It's tempting to think of psychopathy as a kind of aberrant mental condition, but several studies suggest that it may be an evolutionary strategy.

    https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/psychopaths-evolution

    Psychopathy: A disorder or an evolutionary strategy?

    Psychopathy may be a phenotype resulting from various adaptive strategies occurring throughout evolution.

    http://www.amsj.org/archives/3768
     
    Consider it a selection pressure, one the state can manage with modern technology:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution

    We could institute an emigration program and a leftist birthrate reduction policy from the top down that could essentially make a permanently stable paradise; we could give stipends to conservatives, normies, smart ethnocentrics, populists, and otherwise decent center-left people to have one extra child while denying benefits to far-Leftists, so no one has to be harmed. With leftists gone there will be no repeat of humanity's past troubles. Every good thing communism, nationalism, fascism, or libertarianism ever wanted could be achieved with just a little effort, foresight, science, and leadership. That was never possible until this moment in history. Embrace the opportunity to make a better world.

    There is nothing wrong with this. If you're a religious person, consider that God gave man the ability to name the animals and dominion over the earth; that parable was almost certainly just a child's way of explaining that man was given the ability to influence the world in his own image. Man names the animals, not God -- and that's by His design. Trust that God is influencing things in the right way through you to make the world a better place.

    If you're not religious, then what I've said should be common sense -- no moral argument required, it's basic evolutionary biology. Nothing harmful is required. We just admit what our system does anyway through the prison system (selecting against criminal personality types by preventing them from breeding) and embrace it through official policy, but aimed at the far-left. In the future, we could have a society that's highly resistant to collapse and practically immune to the worst effects of Leftism. That sounds like heaven on earth to me.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Johnny Smoggins
    @Intelligent Dasein

    White people being to blame and Jews being to blame aren't mutually exclusive. Jews are predators who found a weak and submissive prey in Whites.

    What do you expect when your "holy book" commands its followers to love their enemies.

  9. @Intelligent Dasein
    @indocon

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save "Western civilization" because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a "White ethno-state," so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of "decent folk" who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of "the people." If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. "Old stock Americans," WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Liberty Mike, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @songbird, @Almost Missouri, @Brian Reilly, @indocon, @anon, @Johnny Smoggins

    The premise here is not wrong — regarding what ‘western civilization’ is, but you haven’t mentioned Protestantism the ideological foundation yet. WASPs handed over their civilization to Jews because Protestantism is watered down Talmudism devoid of tradition. The Anglo variety was founded by a debtor and philanderer, much like Trumpenberg. WASPs can’t usurize more efficiently with Jews due to Christian altruism, and were unseated shortly after opening the door for exploitative reasons.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Supply and Demand


    The premise here is not wrong — regarding what ‘western civilization’ is, but you haven’t mentioned Protestantism the ideological foundation yet.
     
    You are also correct. I did not mention Protestantism in this comment but I have mentioned it in other comments. I do agree with what you are saying here.

    For me, the whole development from Protestantism to rationalism to liberalism seems pretty self-evident, so I don't always mention it explicitly. Although I forget that some people here (not you) need it pointed out.

    Replies: @216

    , @anon
    @Supply and Demand

    Nodwink
    Another case of a survey with shonky parameters.

    Yep. That's typical of such polling, and it is one factor that likely will lead President Harris to do some stupid, overreaching, things.

    Supply and Demand
    The premise here is not wrong — regarding what ‘western civilization’ is, but you haven’t mentioned Protestantism the ideological foundation yet.

    lol, Fake Expat got its trolling scripts mixed up.

    Anyone care to put up an action item? Or is it gonna be all "oh, noes" blackpilling and various forms of trolling?

  10. @Intelligent Dasein
    @indocon

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save "Western civilization" because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a "White ethno-state," so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of "decent folk" who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of "the people." If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. "Old stock Americans," WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Liberty Mike, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @songbird, @Almost Missouri, @Brian Reilly, @indocon, @anon, @Johnny Smoggins

    Other than that, did you enjoy AE’s post?

  11. @rebel yell
    These graphs all look alike. It's a war with educated white women and blacks on one side and uneducated white men on the other. Stock broker Karen and ghetto Jamal vs Joe six pack. If Joe doesn't win it's his own fault.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Realist, @nokangaroos

    It’s a war with educated white women and blacks on one side and uneducated white men on the other.

    The graph has no group labeled as educated. You are conflating having a degree with being educated. This is most certainly not the case…especially in this time period.

    A degree outside of a STEM study is indoctrination…and sometimes within.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    @Realist

    "Sometimes within...?"

    How about the allopaths employed by hospitals or medical practices who blindly obey the masking regime even to the point of demanding that their pulmonary patients don the holy rag?

    Replies: @Realist

    , @Mark G.
    @Realist


    The graph has no group labeled as educated. You are conflating having a degree with being educated.
     
    Most people may not be capable of being educated. By trying to force everyone to go to school, true education may have been destroyed. Since most people can't handle it, it was cut out of the school system and replaced by job training and political indoctrination involving mindlessly parroting politically correct statements.
  12. @Supply and Demand
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The premise here is not wrong — regarding what ‘western civilization’ is, but you haven’t mentioned Protestantism the ideological foundation yet. WASPs handed over their civilization to Jews because Protestantism is watered down Talmudism devoid of tradition. The Anglo variety was founded by a debtor and philanderer, much like Trumpenberg. WASPs can’t usurize more efficiently with Jews due to Christian altruism, and were unseated shortly after opening the door for exploitative reasons.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @anon

    The premise here is not wrong — regarding what ‘western civilization’ is, but you haven’t mentioned Protestantism the ideological foundation yet.

    You are also correct. I did not mention Protestantism in this comment but I have mentioned it in other comments. I do agree with what you are saying here.

    For me, the whole development from Protestantism to rationalism to liberalism seems pretty self-evident, so I don’t always mention it explicitly. Although I forget that some people here (not you) need it pointed out.

    • Replies: @216
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It was in Orthodox Russia, not a Catholic or Protestant country, where Communism first got into power. And it is in secular-pagan China where it is the strongest today.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  13. @Realist
    @rebel yell


    It’s a war with educated white women and blacks on one side and uneducated white men on the other.
     
    The graph has no group labeled as educated. You are conflating having a degree with being educated. This is most certainly not the case...especially in this time period.

    A degree outside of a STEM study is indoctrination...and sometimes within.

    Replies: @Liberty Mike, @Mark G.

    “Sometimes within…?”

    How about the allopaths employed by hospitals or medical practices who blindly obey the masking regime even to the point of demanding that their pulmonary patients don the holy rag?

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Liberty Mike


    How about the allopaths employed by hospitals or medical practices who blindly obey the masking regime even to the point of demanding that their pulmonary patients don the holy rag?
     
    Excellent example.
  14. The U.S. is losing the war on the Taliban. Something to think about.

  15. @Intelligent Dasein
    @indocon

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save "Western civilization" because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a "White ethno-state," so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of "decent folk" who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of "the people." If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. "Old stock Americans," WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Liberty Mike, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @songbird, @Almost Missouri, @Brian Reilly, @indocon, @anon, @Johnny Smoggins

    Wow. Wrong about everything, you’re six for six here with heroic-levels of wrongness. Impressive, in an Addams Family sort of way.

    FORTUNE: Try turning the telescope in the opposite direction!

  16. anon[978] • Disclaimer says:
    @Supply and Demand
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The premise here is not wrong — regarding what ‘western civilization’ is, but you haven’t mentioned Protestantism the ideological foundation yet. WASPs handed over their civilization to Jews because Protestantism is watered down Talmudism devoid of tradition. The Anglo variety was founded by a debtor and philanderer, much like Trumpenberg. WASPs can’t usurize more efficiently with Jews due to Christian altruism, and were unseated shortly after opening the door for exploitative reasons.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @anon

    Nodwink
    Another case of a survey with shonky parameters.

    Yep. That’s typical of such polling, and it is one factor that likely will lead President Harris to do some stupid, overreaching, things.

    Supply and Demand
    The premise here is not wrong — regarding what ‘western civilization’ is, but you haven’t mentioned Protestantism the ideological foundation yet.

    lol, Fake Expat got its trolling scripts mixed up.

    Anyone care to put up an action item? Or is it gonna be all “oh, noes” blackpilling and various forms of trolling?

  17. @Intelligent Dasein
    @indocon

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save "Western civilization" because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a "White ethno-state," so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of "decent folk" who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of "the people." If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. "Old stock Americans," WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Liberty Mike, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @songbird, @Almost Missouri, @Brian Reilly, @indocon, @anon, @Johnny Smoggins

    Many nonwhites suffer from type II diabetes at high rates. Is it a moral failing? Or is it in their genes? Probably the latter, I’d say.

    There’s some theory that whites had similar rates a few hundred years ago, when exposed to the cornucopia of the New World and improved agricultural techniques. But that the genes changed, as diabetes makes pregnancy more difficult.

    Likewise today, I think whites may be experiencing a political diabetes, resultant from new conditions that significantly differ from the old. Ones that others have yet to experience at the same level, which broadly speaking, they (or others) aren’t evolved to deal with.

    This political diabetes is, in part, lack of ethnocentrism. It is not totally lacking among whites, but a fair portion do lack it, and it is doubtful any argument will win them over. Easier to heard cats than get liberals to go against their orthodoxy. It is not a moral failing to not be able to do it. Nobody could.

  18. The Left Loves the War on Terror

    QUAKERDAMMERUNG shall end all war.

    QUAKERDAMMERUNG is about to bust out everywhere in the War Between The Romney Pratts and the Prewitts and ain’t nobody gonna care about no meagre morsel of slight disputation in this so-called War On Terror.

    We always knew this moment would arrive and we always knew it would come to this and now the Virginia Quakers shall defend the honor and safety and security and sovereignty of the United States of America by completely and totally routing the forces of evil in the Romney Pratt Globalizer Plutocrat Money-Grubber faction of the American Empire.

    The Virginia Quakers and their people shall save the USA from the forces of pure evil in the JEW/WASP Ruling Class and the ROMNEY PRATT mutants who continuously and viciously attack the USA.

    Henry Prewitt was a Virginia Quaker and his people shall defeat the evil and treasonous plutocrat oligarchs in the nasty and vile JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire and the damn Virginia Company was before the 1620 foot wetting of the others — got that Philbrick? — and that government worker faction of pukes in the CIA got no right to identify as the company when there is only one company and that is the VIRGINIA COMPANY.

    Yeah, I’m blood related to Henry Prewitt.

    Above was an attempt at absurdist comedy in keeping with the nutcake horseshit going on in American politics in 2021.

    Why does the Quaker Oats guy now look like Russell Crowe stoned on marijuana?

    Why did they take that beautiful Aunt Jemima from me and her many admirers?

    QUAKERDAMMERUNG shall clear away all the nonsense and bring joy and peace and tranquility and level headedness to the world — or else!

    • LOL: tgordon
  19. https://twitter.com/HueyPilled/status/1357202881766707200?s=20

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @indocon
    @Charles Pewitt

    WoW, if I'm not mistaken this is the first time any Republican Congress person has been this explicit, maybe with the exception of Steve King.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

  20. @Intelligent Dasein
    @indocon

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save "Western civilization" because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a "White ethno-state," so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of "decent folk" who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of "the people." If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. "Old stock Americans," WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Liberty Mike, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @songbird, @Almost Missouri, @Brian Reilly, @indocon, @anon, @Johnny Smoggins

    Someone is benefiting, “winning”, from the current trajectory of affairs. Most of us could probably list in a general or specific way who those people are. Most of the lists would probably have significant overlap.

    Are the people thus identified as “winners” in any way “morally better” than those whose elimination the “winners” are now calling for? Are they more true, good or beautiful in any way? (Recall that those now being labelled “domestic terrorists” were content to live and let live with those now doing the lethal labeling of their political opponents while openly deploying military force domestically and preparing the military ideologically for domestic use against them.)

    I suspect most of us would agree the “winners” are not better and in most cases are demonstrably worse. That being the case, why should the most morally inferior and most intolerant conquer and rule over the less morally inferior and less intolerant? What moral purpose is served by this inverted state of affairs?

    Yes, those getting abolished have flaws, but no one doesn’t. If being flawed is grounds for elimination, everyone is in line for execution in such a moral universe. You may say all mortals are doomed to die anyway, and that is true, but if that is the reason for the current state of affairs, then we are already back to the law of jungle.

    You may be happy to write off all of US history as a masonic heresy and indeed to write off all of Western Civilization as a “sickness”, but it wasn’t very long ago in the US and the West in general that everything perverse, depraved, sick, ugly, false, and parasitical was not elevated over everything ordinary however flawed. That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?

    • Agree: Catdog
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Almost Missouri


    Are the people thus identified as “winners” in any way “morally better” than those whose elimination the “winners” are now calling for? Are they more true, good or beautiful in any way?
     
    No, absolutely not. They have had their reward in this world, which sometimes regrettably happens, but they are not to be admired for it.

    That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?
     
    We should not accept it. It is all very wrong. My point, if you will, is that these problems are not correctable from within the cultural milieu. They will only be corrected from outside the cultural milieu.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Brian Reilly
    @Almost Missouri

    Almost, A lot of truth in this very nice turn here: "That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?"

    , @dfordoom
    @Almost Missouri


    You may be happy to write off all of US history as a masonic heresy and indeed to write off all of Western Civilization as a “sickness”, but it wasn’t very long ago in the US and the West in general that everything perverse, depraved, sick, ugly, false, and parasitical was not elevated over everything ordinary however flawed.
     
    The elevation of the perverse, depraved, sick, ugly and false can be seen in the visual arts in the West even before the First World War. Picasso's Les Demoiselles d'Avignon, dating from 1907, would be Exhibit A. You can see the tendency creeping into western literature in the interwar years. It's not something recent. The seeds have been there for a long time.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    I suspect most of us would agree the “winners” are not better and in most cases are demonstrably worse. That being the case, why should the most morally inferior and most intolerant conquer and rule over the less morally inferior and less intolerant? What moral purpose is served by this inverted state of affairs?
     

    You may be happy to write off all of US history as a masonic heresy and indeed to write off all of Western Civilization as a “sickness”, but it wasn’t very long ago in the US and the West in general that everything perverse, depraved, sick, ugly, false, and parasitical was not elevated over everything ordinary however flawed. That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?
     
    Solid gold Almost.

    This is the age where the parasites vilifies the host for its faults.
  21. The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is a threat to the safety and security and sovereignty and national security interests of the United States of America.

    Charles Schumer is a spiteful mutant baby boomer Jew who puts the interests of Israel and the Jew Nation and Jews Organized Globally(JOG) ahead of the best interests of the USA and the best interests of the historic American nation and the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    https://twitter.com/apolitical367/status/1357322968267915266?s=20

    Tweet from 2014:

  22. @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Someone is benefiting, "winning", from the current trajectory of affairs. Most of us could probably list in a general or specific way who those people are. Most of the lists would probably have significant overlap.

    Are the people thus identified as "winners" in any way "morally better" than those whose elimination the "winners" are now calling for? Are they more true, good or beautiful in any way? (Recall that those now being labelled "domestic terrorists" were content to live and let live with those now doing the lethal labeling of their political opponents while openly deploying military force domestically and preparing the military ideologically for domestic use against them.)

    I suspect most of us would agree the "winners" are not better and in most cases are demonstrably worse. That being the case, why should the most morally inferior and most intolerant conquer and rule over the less morally inferior and less intolerant? What moral purpose is served by this inverted state of affairs?

    Yes, those getting abolished have flaws, but no one doesn't. If being flawed is grounds for elimination, everyone is in line for execution in such a moral universe. You may say all mortals are doomed to die anyway, and that is true, but if that is the reason for the current state of affairs, then we are already back to the law of jungle.

    You may be happy to write off all of US history as a masonic heresy and indeed to write off all of Western Civilization as a "sickness", but it wasn't very long ago in the US and the West in general that everything perverse, depraved, sick, ugly, false, and parasitical was not elevated over everything ordinary however flawed. That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Brian Reilly, @dfordoom, @AnotherDad

    Are the people thus identified as “winners” in any way “morally better” than those whose elimination the “winners” are now calling for? Are they more true, good or beautiful in any way?

    No, absolutely not. They have had their reward in this world, which sometimes regrettably happens, but they are not to be admired for it.

    That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?

    We should not accept it. It is all very wrong. My point, if you will, is that these problems are not correctable from within the cultural milieu. They will only be corrected from outside the cultural milieu.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein


    They will only be corrected from outside the cultural milieu.
     
    So ... embrace the barbarian invasion?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @neutral

  23. @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Someone is benefiting, "winning", from the current trajectory of affairs. Most of us could probably list in a general or specific way who those people are. Most of the lists would probably have significant overlap.

    Are the people thus identified as "winners" in any way "morally better" than those whose elimination the "winners" are now calling for? Are they more true, good or beautiful in any way? (Recall that those now being labelled "domestic terrorists" were content to live and let live with those now doing the lethal labeling of their political opponents while openly deploying military force domestically and preparing the military ideologically for domestic use against them.)

    I suspect most of us would agree the "winners" are not better and in most cases are demonstrably worse. That being the case, why should the most morally inferior and most intolerant conquer and rule over the less morally inferior and less intolerant? What moral purpose is served by this inverted state of affairs?

    Yes, those getting abolished have flaws, but no one doesn't. If being flawed is grounds for elimination, everyone is in line for execution in such a moral universe. You may say all mortals are doomed to die anyway, and that is true, but if that is the reason for the current state of affairs, then we are already back to the law of jungle.

    You may be happy to write off all of US history as a masonic heresy and indeed to write off all of Western Civilization as a "sickness", but it wasn't very long ago in the US and the West in general that everything perverse, depraved, sick, ugly, false, and parasitical was not elevated over everything ordinary however flawed. That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Brian Reilly, @dfordoom, @AnotherDad

    Almost, A lot of truth in this very nice turn here: “That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?”

  24. @Liberty Mike
    @Realist

    "Sometimes within...?"

    How about the allopaths employed by hospitals or medical practices who blindly obey the masking regime even to the point of demanding that their pulmonary patients don the holy rag?

    Replies: @Realist

    How about the allopaths employed by hospitals or medical practices who blindly obey the masking regime even to the point of demanding that their pulmonary patients don the holy rag?

    Excellent example.

  25. @Intelligent Dasein
    @indocon

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save "Western civilization" because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a "White ethno-state," so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of "decent folk" who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of "the people." If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. "Old stock Americans," WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Liberty Mike, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @songbird, @Almost Missouri, @Brian Reilly, @indocon, @anon, @Johnny Smoggins

    Intel, Whose or which moral teaching ought we undertake the hard work of to become morally better? Stoic? Confucian? Koranic? Hindu? Adopted or imposed?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Brian Reilly

    For those who profess a faith in Christ, I would of course recommend the Catholic. For those who cannot get that far, at least start with the Classical.

    , @neutral
    @Brian Reilly

    Almost any option out there is a better choice than the nihilistic and brainless ideology being fed to the proles by the ZOG system.

  26. @Brian Reilly
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Intel, Whose or which moral teaching ought we undertake the hard work of to become morally better? Stoic? Confucian? Koranic? Hindu? Adopted or imposed?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @neutral

    For those who profess a faith in Christ, I would of course recommend the Catholic. For those who cannot get that far, at least start with the Classical.

  27. @rebel yell
    These graphs all look alike. It's a war with educated white women and blacks on one side and uneducated white men on the other. Stock broker Karen and ghetto Jamal vs Joe six pack. If Joe doesn't win it's his own fault.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Realist, @nokangaroos

    On the bright side, White men without degree are not as stupid as they are made out to be.

  28. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Almost Missouri


    Are the people thus identified as “winners” in any way “morally better” than those whose elimination the “winners” are now calling for? Are they more true, good or beautiful in any way?
     
    No, absolutely not. They have had their reward in this world, which sometimes regrettably happens, but they are not to be admired for it.

    That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?
     
    We should not accept it. It is all very wrong. My point, if you will, is that these problems are not correctable from within the cultural milieu. They will only be corrected from outside the cultural milieu.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    They will only be corrected from outside the cultural milieu.

    So … embrace the barbarian invasion?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Almost Missouri


    So … embrace the barbarian invasion?
     
    No, no. Barbarian invasions are a sideshow.

    Embrace the tragic view of life. Embrace the transcendent. Embrace the faith. Culture itself is powerless unless it is actuated by a metaphysic, and the Western askesis has vitiated all preliminary metaphysics. God alone remains.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @neutral
    @Almost Missouri


    So … embrace the barbarian invasion?
     
    The destruction of the Roman empire by the "barbarians" (they were in fact a superior people) was a net positive. The empire was stagnant and dire society at its end, the same applies to the US empire. Would you honestly be upset if Washington was sacked and its denizens butchered by whomever did that?
  29. @Brian Reilly
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Intel, Whose or which moral teaching ought we undertake the hard work of to become morally better? Stoic? Confucian? Koranic? Hindu? Adopted or imposed?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @neutral

    Almost any option out there is a better choice than the nihilistic and brainless ideology being fed to the proles by the ZOG system.

  30. @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein


    They will only be corrected from outside the cultural milieu.
     
    So ... embrace the barbarian invasion?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @neutral

    So … embrace the barbarian invasion?

    No, no. Barbarian invasions are a sideshow.

    Embrace the tragic view of life. Embrace the transcendent. Embrace the faith. Culture itself is powerless unless it is actuated by a metaphysic, and the Western askesis has vitiated all preliminary metaphysics. God alone remains.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Okay, but much as I ultimately agree with you, I am disinclined to let the West burn while embracing the transcendent. My family, for instance, might like to have a safe place in which to vitiate preliminary metaphysics ... or simply somewhere they can get a shower, meal and a nap. The West was good for that, once upon a time.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  31. @Intelligent Dasein
    @indocon

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save "Western civilization" because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a "White ethno-state," so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of "decent folk" who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of "the people." If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. "Old stock Americans," WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Liberty Mike, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @songbird, @Almost Missouri, @Brian Reilly, @indocon, @anon, @Johnny Smoggins

    American system runs on a very simple premise, every pay check earner is going to spend every dollar they are expected to earn, on stuff they probably don’t need, but with the aim of keeping this cycle of money going. The rump white America could do a simple act tomorrow to throw a caterpillar into the moving machine (forget a wrench) – we are going to save more and spend less, across the board. That means no more new iPhone for little Lily when the old phone is working fine, keep all cars and trucks running til 150k miles minimum, shop locally, stop eating anything kade with corn syrup, vacation in RVs instead of splurging 10k on stupid Meexico packagers, cut off TV and make your kids read more, coach your local kids teams, take care of your parents instead of sending them to assisted living….all of this is easy stuff to do.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @indocon


    That means no more new iPhone for little Lily when the old phone is working fine, keep all cars and trucks running til 150k miles minimum, shop locally, stop eating anything kade with corn syrup, vacation in RVs instead of splurging 10k on stupid Meexico packagers, cut off TV and make your kids read more, coach your local kids teams, take care of your parents instead of sending them to assisted living….all of this is easy stuff to do.
     
    Yes. You don't have to reject the benefits of western civilisation. You don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. But it's not that difficult to reject the excesses of consumerism. Consumer goods are nice to have but it's not necessary to have every new consumer good that appears on the shelves. It's not necessary to replace something because it's last year's model.

    If you reject the excesses of consumerism you suddenly find you don't need quite so much money and you don't need to keep going into debt. You can't avoid the corrupt modern world but you can distance yourself from it to some extent.

    And it's very easy to avoid the degeneracy of modern popular culture. There's plenty of older popular culture, from a less depraved period of history, and it's easily accessible. The movies and TV shows of the past are readily available on DVD. Books, including excellent popular fiction from the past, are not difficult to find. And the pop culture of the past is a whole lot more entertaining so you're not missing out on anything.

    I watch movies all the time but I generally don't watch anything from the past thirty years. I love popular fiction but I don't read anything much from the late 60s on. And I'm not lacking for entertainment.

    I drive a beat-up old car, but it still gets me anywhere I want to go. I buy consumer goods but I'm choosy about what I buy. I buy stuff I actually need and want.

    You'd be surprised how well you can live on surprisingly little money. And I'm not in debt. I have no debts at all.
  32. @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/NYC250th/status/1291859810590367756?s=20

    https://twitter.com/HueyPilled/status/1357202881766707200?s=20

    https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1357001896339398660?s=20

    Replies: @indocon

    WoW, if I’m not mistaken this is the first time any Republican Congress person has been this explicit, maybe with the exception of Steve King.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @indocon

    WoW, if I’m not mistaken this is the first time any Republican Congress person has been this explicit, maybe with the exception of Steve King.

    Explicit White identity politics is coming round the mountain and it is about damn time.

    Tweets from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/612969074042122241?s=20

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/569222198763741184?s=20

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/660149638691950592?s=20

  33. Interesting how Hispanics are so low. Maybe they want more gibs (in America) but don’t particuarly hate Whitey?

  34. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Almost Missouri


    So … embrace the barbarian invasion?
     
    No, no. Barbarian invasions are a sideshow.

    Embrace the tragic view of life. Embrace the transcendent. Embrace the faith. Culture itself is powerless unless it is actuated by a metaphysic, and the Western askesis has vitiated all preliminary metaphysics. God alone remains.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Okay, but much as I ultimately agree with you, I am disinclined to let the West burn while embracing the transcendent. My family, for instance, might like to have a safe place in which to vitiate preliminary metaphysics … or simply somewhere they can get a shower, meal and a nap. The West was good for that, once upon a time.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Almost Missouri

    Yes, I agree, my friend. I haven't neglected these paramount concerns. The metaphysical I have in mind goes hand in hand with the practical.

    I'm sure you recall my list of "topics" from a few posts ago. Physicalizing the theory and practice of economics, making sure that the gains of science are incorporated into craft-arts, developing commonsense hylomorphism as sort of applied ontology....that's what this was all about.

    I think we are very close to a meeting of the minds here. I hope it continues.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  35. @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein


    They will only be corrected from outside the cultural milieu.
     
    So ... embrace the barbarian invasion?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @neutral

    So … embrace the barbarian invasion?

    The destruction of the Roman empire by the “barbarians” (they were in fact a superior people) was a net positive. The empire was stagnant and dire society at its end, the same applies to the US empire. Would you honestly be upset if Washington was sacked and its denizens butchered by whomever did that?

    • Disagree: Audacious Epigone
  36. @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Okay, but much as I ultimately agree with you, I am disinclined to let the West burn while embracing the transcendent. My family, for instance, might like to have a safe place in which to vitiate preliminary metaphysics ... or simply somewhere they can get a shower, meal and a nap. The West was good for that, once upon a time.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Yes, I agree, my friend. I haven’t neglected these paramount concerns. The metaphysical I have in mind goes hand in hand with the practical.

    I’m sure you recall my list of “topics” from a few posts ago. Physicalizing the theory and practice of economics, making sure that the gains of science are incorporated into craft-arts, developing commonsense hylomorphism as sort of applied ontology….that’s what this was all about.

    I think we are very close to a meeting of the minds here. I hope it continues.

    • Thanks: tgordon
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Just so everybody knows, there is an intelligible writer who frequently espouses the same sort of sensible (dare I say it? I do) ideas which are frequently but not intelligibly to be found in the writings of our old friend, the interesting crackpot "Intelligent Dasein". (Nice but high-school pun.)

    The writer I'm talking about is the farmer-philosopher Wendell Berry. I'd start with "Home Economics: Fourteen Essays". I don't worship Berry -- in fact, one of the things I find funny about him is that he doesn't seem to grasp the innate importance of his own ideas..... But at the very least, he's in agreement with Intelligent D on a lot of things, and he's funnier.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  37. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Almost Missouri

    Yes, I agree, my friend. I haven't neglected these paramount concerns. The metaphysical I have in mind goes hand in hand with the practical.

    I'm sure you recall my list of "topics" from a few posts ago. Physicalizing the theory and practice of economics, making sure that the gains of science are incorporated into craft-arts, developing commonsense hylomorphism as sort of applied ontology....that's what this was all about.

    I think we are very close to a meeting of the minds here. I hope it continues.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Just so everybody knows, there is an intelligible writer who frequently espouses the same sort of sensible (dare I say it? I do) ideas which are frequently but not intelligibly to be found in the writings of our old friend, the interesting crackpot “Intelligent Dasein”. (Nice but high-school pun.)

    The writer I’m talking about is the farmer-philosopher Wendell Berry. I’d start with “Home Economics: Fourteen Essays”. I don’t worship Berry — in fact, one of the things I find funny about him is that he doesn’t seem to grasp the innate importance of his own ideas….. But at the very least, he’s in agreement with Intelligent D on a lot of things, and he’s funnier.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I'm not sure where you got this from. I am nothing like Wendell Berry at all.

    I am not an agrarian or a Georgist or a pacifist or a non-denominational "Christian". I am a Traditional Roman Catholic, full stop; I support industrialism and practical science; I would never, ever protest a coal-fired power plant or a just war or the death penalty.

    Please do not confuse me with this fellow. This is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  38. @Nodwink
    Another case of a survey with shonky parameters. Nobody -- the people asking the question, or those answering -- knows what "doing more" entails. Then there is the definition of "domestic terrorism" -- stealing Pelosi's mail is an act of terrorism, and so is blowing up a truck.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Another case of a survey with shonky parameters. Nobody — the people asking the question, or those answering — knows what “doing more” entails.

    What makes it even less useful is that when you say domestic terrorism Republicans think of antifa and Democrats think of MAGAtards.

    Also Republicans tend to think of terrorism as involving blowing stuff up and shooting people. Democrats tend to think of terrorism as involving hurting people’s feelings.

    • Agree: Nodwink
  39. @neutral

    The logic of these thigs always escaped me, but the reality of them happening in parallel and being used to justify one another is undeniable.
     
    Their goal was never to create a coherent ideology, it was always ultimately about white genocide. More non whites (most Muslims are non white) moving into white lands supports white genocide. The destruction of all traditional values means less white people born, so their hedonistic gay bullshit makes sense.

    I need to add that trying to use reason or show the ever more ludicrous contradictions is pointless. You must treat these people as your mortal enemy and nothing less.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    Their goal was never to create a coherent ideology, it was always ultimately about white genocide.

    Nope. It was always ultimately about class warfare. The Deplorables are the main target, not because they’re white but because they’re lower-class.

  40. @neutral

    The logic of these thigs always escaped me, but the reality of them happening in parallel and being used to justify one another is undeniable.
     
    Their goal was never to create a coherent ideology, it was always ultimately about white genocide. More non whites (most Muslims are non white) moving into white lands supports white genocide. The destruction of all traditional values means less white people born, so their hedonistic gay bullshit makes sense.

    I need to add that trying to use reason or show the ever more ludicrous contradictions is pointless. You must treat these people as your mortal enemy and nothing less.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    Even the War on Christianity is largely a class war, with conservative Christians being hated because they belong to the wrong social classes.

    • Replies: @216
    @dfordoom

    Disagree, the corruption and wealth of clerical elites has been the largest driver of Anti-Christian attitudes.

    It's also mainly an ethnic struggle against Southern white Protestants, leftist politicians with quite social conservative views like Ruben Diaz are tolerated because they aren't white.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @dfordoom

    "Christians being hated because they belong to the wrong social classes."

    You've got it exactly backwards. Christians are hated because vigorous NON-Christians and ANTI-Christians have taken over the RIGHT social classes.

    Be glad, and dance -- for great is your reward in Heaven.

  41. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Supply and Demand


    The premise here is not wrong — regarding what ‘western civilization’ is, but you haven’t mentioned Protestantism the ideological foundation yet.
     
    You are also correct. I did not mention Protestantism in this comment but I have mentioned it in other comments. I do agree with what you are saying here.

    For me, the whole development from Protestantism to rationalism to liberalism seems pretty self-evident, so I don't always mention it explicitly. Although I forget that some people here (not you) need it pointed out.

    Replies: @216

    It was in Orthodox Russia, not a Catholic or Protestant country, where Communism first got into power. And it is in secular-pagan China where it is the strongest today.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @216


    It was in Orthodox Russia, not a Catholic or Protestant country, where Communism first got into power. And it is in secular-pagan China where it is the strongest today.
     
    Whatever modern China might be it sure as hell isn't communist.
  42. @dfordoom
    @neutral

    Even the War on Christianity is largely a class war, with conservative Christians being hated because they belong to the wrong social classes.

    Replies: @216, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Disagree, the corruption and wealth of clerical elites has been the largest driver of Anti-Christian attitudes.

    It’s also mainly an ethnic struggle against Southern white Protestants, leftist politicians with quite social conservative views like Ruben Diaz are tolerated because they aren’t white.

  43. @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Someone is benefiting, "winning", from the current trajectory of affairs. Most of us could probably list in a general or specific way who those people are. Most of the lists would probably have significant overlap.

    Are the people thus identified as "winners" in any way "morally better" than those whose elimination the "winners" are now calling for? Are they more true, good or beautiful in any way? (Recall that those now being labelled "domestic terrorists" were content to live and let live with those now doing the lethal labeling of their political opponents while openly deploying military force domestically and preparing the military ideologically for domestic use against them.)

    I suspect most of us would agree the "winners" are not better and in most cases are demonstrably worse. That being the case, why should the most morally inferior and most intolerant conquer and rule over the less morally inferior and less intolerant? What moral purpose is served by this inverted state of affairs?

    Yes, those getting abolished have flaws, but no one doesn't. If being flawed is grounds for elimination, everyone is in line for execution in such a moral universe. You may say all mortals are doomed to die anyway, and that is true, but if that is the reason for the current state of affairs, then we are already back to the law of jungle.

    You may be happy to write off all of US history as a masonic heresy and indeed to write off all of Western Civilization as a "sickness", but it wasn't very long ago in the US and the West in general that everything perverse, depraved, sick, ugly, false, and parasitical was not elevated over everything ordinary however flawed. That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Brian Reilly, @dfordoom, @AnotherDad

    You may be happy to write off all of US history as a masonic heresy and indeed to write off all of Western Civilization as a “sickness”, but it wasn’t very long ago in the US and the West in general that everything perverse, depraved, sick, ugly, false, and parasitical was not elevated over everything ordinary however flawed.

    The elevation of the perverse, depraved, sick, ugly and false can be seen in the visual arts in the West even before the First World War. Picasso’s Les Demoiselles d’Avignon, dating from 1907, would be Exhibit A. You can see the tendency creeping into western literature in the interwar years. It’s not something recent. The seeds have been there for a long time.

  44. @indocon
    @Intelligent Dasein

    American system runs on a very simple premise, every pay check earner is going to spend every dollar they are expected to earn, on stuff they probably don't need, but with the aim of keeping this cycle of money going. The rump white America could do a simple act tomorrow to throw a caterpillar into the moving machine (forget a wrench) - we are going to save more and spend less, across the board. That means no more new iPhone for little Lily when the old phone is working fine, keep all cars and trucks running til 150k miles minimum, shop locally, stop eating anything kade with corn syrup, vacation in RVs instead of splurging 10k on stupid Meexico packagers, cut off TV and make your kids read more, coach your local kids teams, take care of your parents instead of sending them to assisted living....all of this is easy stuff to do.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    That means no more new iPhone for little Lily when the old phone is working fine, keep all cars and trucks running til 150k miles minimum, shop locally, stop eating anything kade with corn syrup, vacation in RVs instead of splurging 10k on stupid Meexico packagers, cut off TV and make your kids read more, coach your local kids teams, take care of your parents instead of sending them to assisted living….all of this is easy stuff to do.

    Yes. You don’t have to reject the benefits of western civilisation. You don’t have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. But it’s not that difficult to reject the excesses of consumerism. Consumer goods are nice to have but it’s not necessary to have every new consumer good that appears on the shelves. It’s not necessary to replace something because it’s last year’s model.

    If you reject the excesses of consumerism you suddenly find you don’t need quite so much money and you don’t need to keep going into debt. You can’t avoid the corrupt modern world but you can distance yourself from it to some extent.

    And it’s very easy to avoid the degeneracy of modern popular culture. There’s plenty of older popular culture, from a less depraved period of history, and it’s easily accessible. The movies and TV shows of the past are readily available on DVD. Books, including excellent popular fiction from the past, are not difficult to find. And the pop culture of the past is a whole lot more entertaining so you’re not missing out on anything.

    I watch movies all the time but I generally don’t watch anything from the past thirty years. I love popular fiction but I don’t read anything much from the late 60s on. And I’m not lacking for entertainment.

    I drive a beat-up old car, but it still gets me anywhere I want to go. I buy consumer goods but I’m choosy about what I buy. I buy stuff I actually need and want.

    You’d be surprised how well you can live on surprisingly little money. And I’m not in debt. I have no debts at all.

    • Agree: AnotherDad, Mark G., Charon
  45. @216
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It was in Orthodox Russia, not a Catholic or Protestant country, where Communism first got into power. And it is in secular-pagan China where it is the strongest today.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    It was in Orthodox Russia, not a Catholic or Protestant country, where Communism first got into power. And it is in secular-pagan China where it is the strongest today.

    Whatever modern China might be it sure as hell isn’t communist.

  46. Nearly twenty years ago, Republicans, flush with corporate cash, waged a war on terror while ignoring the perceived systematic civil rights violations perpetrated against groups like gays and immigrants.

    Huh?

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
  47. @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Someone is benefiting, "winning", from the current trajectory of affairs. Most of us could probably list in a general or specific way who those people are. Most of the lists would probably have significant overlap.

    Are the people thus identified as "winners" in any way "morally better" than those whose elimination the "winners" are now calling for? Are they more true, good or beautiful in any way? (Recall that those now being labelled "domestic terrorists" were content to live and let live with those now doing the lethal labeling of their political opponents while openly deploying military force domestically and preparing the military ideologically for domestic use against them.)

    I suspect most of us would agree the "winners" are not better and in most cases are demonstrably worse. That being the case, why should the most morally inferior and most intolerant conquer and rule over the less morally inferior and less intolerant? What moral purpose is served by this inverted state of affairs?

    Yes, those getting abolished have flaws, but no one doesn't. If being flawed is grounds for elimination, everyone is in line for execution in such a moral universe. You may say all mortals are doomed to die anyway, and that is true, but if that is the reason for the current state of affairs, then we are already back to the law of jungle.

    You may be happy to write off all of US history as a masonic heresy and indeed to write off all of Western Civilization as a "sickness", but it wasn't very long ago in the US and the West in general that everything perverse, depraved, sick, ugly, false, and parasitical was not elevated over everything ordinary however flawed. That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Brian Reilly, @dfordoom, @AnotherDad

    I suspect most of us would agree the “winners” are not better and in most cases are demonstrably worse. That being the case, why should the most morally inferior and most intolerant conquer and rule over the less morally inferior and less intolerant? What moral purpose is served by this inverted state of affairs?

    You may be happy to write off all of US history as a masonic heresy and indeed to write off all of Western Civilization as a “sickness”, but it wasn’t very long ago in the US and the West in general that everything perverse, depraved, sick, ugly, false, and parasitical was not elevated over everything ordinary however flawed. That era of flawed perfectibility now seems to be definitively over. The era of mandatory worship of the false, wicked and ugly has begun. In what way is this state of affairs preferable? If it is not preferable, why should we accept it?

    Solid gold Almost.

    This is the age where the parasites vilifies the host for its faults.

  48. @Realist
    @rebel yell


    It’s a war with educated white women and blacks on one side and uneducated white men on the other.
     
    The graph has no group labeled as educated. You are conflating having a degree with being educated. This is most certainly not the case...especially in this time period.

    A degree outside of a STEM study is indoctrination...and sometimes within.

    Replies: @Liberty Mike, @Mark G.

    The graph has no group labeled as educated. You are conflating having a degree with being educated.

    Most people may not be capable of being educated. By trying to force everyone to go to school, true education may have been destroyed. Since most people can’t handle it, it was cut out of the school system and replaced by job training and political indoctrination involving mindlessly parroting politically correct statements.

    • Agree: Realist
  49. anon[775] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    @indocon

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save "Western civilization" because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a "White ethno-state," so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of "decent folk" who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of "the people." If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. "Old stock Americans," WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Liberty Mike, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @songbird, @Almost Missouri, @Brian Reilly, @indocon, @anon, @Johnny Smoggins

    There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a “White ethno-state,” so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    This belief is why we lose. Not all Whites are worthy, but there are more than enough Whites in the United States with sufficient ethnocentrism — something that will become increasingly true the more we are oppressed — to seceed and form an actual White ethnostate somewhere else. American Whites are not Europeans, not in the same way you implied, so the comparison is irrelevant. They are mixed to a degree that some kind of pan-European pride could work. It works for blacks, and they are not descended from a single nation.

    In fact, it did work for Whites in the recent past. American Whites were far more ethnocentric — explicitly so — just two or three generations ago, so once again you are wrong. There is no iron law of the universe that prevents a resurgence in White pride given the right conditions. Add in a political ideology to rally around and a defined goal to push things along and it could happen.

    In fact, it is already happening. There is a congresswomen who is openly embracing her White identity as she’s being defenestrated by the Left. Granted, she’s a conspiracy type … but her rhetoric portends something to come. MAGA normies are getting redpilled fast. White identity only faded in the first place because Whites made a Faustian bargain to win national elections through the republican party. Whites are diverse — geographically, culturally, politically, and socially. They needed to put aside differences to win, but that time is coming to an end due to demographic change. The GOP can never win again due to immigration, so the age of identity is reemerging. With no reason to vote for a party that can’t win, there is increasingly little reason for normie Whites to moderate or put aside identity.

    Whites will come to see themselves as a distinct group in this age. It won’t include White leftists, but it will include some Whites. In that respect, you’ll see the formation of something akin to European ethnic identity over pan-White identity.

    This doesn’t have to include all Whites to work, simply a large fraction. We could even use a political party or ideology as an implicit dog whistle. Leftist Whites won’t hear it, and that’s a good thing. We should seek to find those who think the way we do and build a community for those people, ignoring the rest as an outgroup, regardless of skin pigmentation.

    As I’ve pointed out before, there is a solution to these, increasingly ominous, problems you’re seeing unfolding around you: secession. This is the most likely scenario that both works and preserves some semblance of order while also preventing our people from being totally destroyed, which is the path we’re on now. Is it guaranteed to work? No. But I can guarantee you that doing nothing will result in our eventual annihilation. So, what choice do we have but to try it?

    Civic nationalism failed. Multiracialism failed. Americanism failed. What’s left? What’s your idea? Totalitarian Leftism? No thanks. Count me out.

    [MORE]

    I’m honestly at a loss to understand why this obvious solution is resisted or ignored.

    [Yes, I know how bizarre the following will sound, but try to understand what I’m saying.]

    Let’s secede, let’s get our own Zion like the Jews did. Then we can set ourselves on the path to create a long-lasting home for our people, one free of this madness and the certain madness to come. This state could last essentially forever if we embrace science.

    Here’s what I mean: we can use a combination of psychometric testing, genetic testing, and AI to identify White progressive self-haters, then remove them from positions of influence by law. With the right government programs enacted, that demographic could then be encouraged to relocate to blue areas of continental America; why would they stay when they are barred from government jobs?. Since we know politics is heritable, this segregation will create a permanently stable society never again susceptible to self-hating Leftist degeneration.

    Facial recognition reveals political party

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/facial-recognition-reveals-political-party-in-troubling-new-research/ar-BB1cIVA7

    Rethink human history in terms of biology and not ideology or events. In that light, ask yourself how many of the people involved in the Bolshevik Revolution, The French Revolution, the Spartacist Uprising and all the rest might be similarly lumped in with the self-hating progressive Left by a modern AI. My guess: the various populations overlap genetically to a high degree, irrespective of professed ideology. History is about personalities and not just about fads and ideologies. Examine the genes of Robespierre and you’ll find those that make up his personality closely match those of antifa, Leftist whites, or even an alien foreigner like AOC.

    Western civilization is forced to endure periodic collapse due to the presence of these people in the population. This keeps happening because there are genes within the population that continue existing through time, causing society to collapse under the right conditions when those who bear them can act — in a war, a famine, when overthrowing a corrupt king … democracy, etc. Get rid of them and your problem is solved forever.

    Yes, Paul Ramsey has used the analogy of a high school bully to argue the opposite — “if you get rid of the high school bully, another one takes his place, so it’s pointless” — but that’s not really true, not absolutely. Personality types vary, and they are genetic in origin. Another bully may take the place of a deposed one, but not infinitely so. There are only so many bully genes. Get rid of enough of them, and they are gone for good because the children of non-bullies are likely to also be non-bullies; personality is heritable. This has already happened to a degree in our society. It has been speculated that European propensity for violence has been greatly reduced since antiquity through the legal system executing murderers before they could pass on their genes.

    Western Civilization undergoes these periodic and destructive upheavals because there is a group with a self-serving (and ultimately ruinous for society) social strategy influencing events. Leftists (left-wing fascists) are akin to psychopaths in this regard:

    Did humanity evolve to have psychopaths? – Big Think

    It’s tempting to think of psychopathy as a kind of aberrant mental condition, but several studies suggest that it may be an evolutionary strategy.

    https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/psychopaths-evolution

    Psychopathy: A disorder or an evolutionary strategy?

    Psychopathy may be a phenotype resulting from various adaptive strategies occurring throughout evolution.

    http://www.amsj.org/archives/3768

    Consider it a selection pressure, one the state can manage with modern technology:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution

    We could institute an emigration program and a leftist birthrate reduction policy from the top down that could essentially make a permanently stable paradise; we could give stipends to conservatives, normies, smart ethnocentrics, populists, and otherwise decent center-left people to have one extra child while denying benefits to far-Leftists, so no one has to be harmed. With leftists gone there will be no repeat of humanity’s past troubles. Every good thing communism, nationalism, fascism, or libertarianism ever wanted could be achieved with just a little effort, foresight, science, and leadership. That was never possible until this moment in history. Embrace the opportunity to make a better world.

    There is nothing wrong with this. If you’re a religious person, consider that God gave man the ability to name the animals and dominion over the earth; that parable was almost certainly just a child’s way of explaining that man was given the ability to influence the world in his own image. Man names the animals, not God — and that’s by His design. Trust that God is influencing things in the right way through you to make the world a better place.

    If you’re not religious, then what I’ve said should be common sense — no moral argument required, it’s basic evolutionary biology. Nothing harmful is required. We just admit what our system does anyway through the prison system (selecting against criminal personality types by preventing them from breeding) and embrace it through official policy, but aimed at the far-left. In the future, we could have a society that’s highly resistant to collapse and practically immune to the worst effects of Leftism. That sounds like heaven on earth to me.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon


    As I’ve pointed out before, there is a solution to these, increasingly ominous, problems you’re seeing unfolding around you: secession.
     
    Pure wishful thinking. This is the chronic problem with the far right/nationalist right - an addiction to wishful thinking and a retreat into a fantasy world.
  50. @dfordoom
    @neutral

    Even the War on Christianity is largely a class war, with conservative Christians being hated because they belong to the wrong social classes.

    Replies: @216, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Christians being hated because they belong to the wrong social classes.”

    You’ve got it exactly backwards. Christians are hated because vigorous NON-Christians and ANTI-Christians have taken over the RIGHT social classes.

    Be glad, and dance — for great is your reward in Heaven.

  51. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Just so everybody knows, there is an intelligible writer who frequently espouses the same sort of sensible (dare I say it? I do) ideas which are frequently but not intelligibly to be found in the writings of our old friend, the interesting crackpot "Intelligent Dasein". (Nice but high-school pun.)

    The writer I'm talking about is the farmer-philosopher Wendell Berry. I'd start with "Home Economics: Fourteen Essays". I don't worship Berry -- in fact, one of the things I find funny about him is that he doesn't seem to grasp the innate importance of his own ideas..... But at the very least, he's in agreement with Intelligent D on a lot of things, and he's funnier.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I’m not sure where you got this from. I am nothing like Wendell Berry at all.

    I am not an agrarian or a Georgist or a pacifist or a non-denominational “Christian”. I am a Traditional Roman Catholic, full stop; I support industrialism and practical science; I would never, ever protest a coal-fired power plant or a just war or the death penalty.

    Please do not confuse me with this fellow. This is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Well you are perfectly within your rights to dissociate yourself from Berry on the strength of the labels you identify. You are right to protest within that arena.

    The trouble is, I don't deal in labels. Religiously speaking, so far as it goes, I like you am a Catholic (but ecumenical) Christian, because that is the truth about things; but intellectually and philosophically I am a Confucian -- or really, an I Ching / Tao Te Ching/ Chuang-Tzu idealist, if you prefer. (like Han Shan or Su Shih, I don't really actually prefer anything.)

    From that perspective, your wish to cut yourself off from the underlying foundations of Berry's thinking is just so much Nancy and Sluggo: I would say that even Berry doesn't understand his own thought, but that doesn't make it less useful. The two of you are chained at the hip, in ways you just don't yet realize. That may be uncomfortable for you to hear, and in sympathetic honesty it may not even make a lick of sense at present. All I can advise is, Ora et labora.

    I wouldn't blame you at all for disavowing everything I've just written as a lot of lazy misterioso jabbedyfook. But ask yourself, outside of the context of the Internet urge to win a debate: do you really think that? Re-read the Gospel of Mark, and re-read Tao Te Ching in a good translation, and re-read the very early Socratic dialogues, and read I Ching (I don't say re-read becuz I bet you haven't), and, Y'know, maybe you will begin to think differently, if only a little.

    Cheers, mate.

  52. @Intelligent Dasein
    @indocon

    I believe the drift of your comment is not only correct, it is but the tip of a very large iceberg that could be profitably explored for a very long time.

    We need to be frank about some things here.

    1. America was not destroyed by any external force, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. America destroyed itself with its consumerism and greed and moral lassitude.

    2. White people have nobody to blame but themselves for their current problems. Everything that was done to whites was done by other whites, not Jews, not immigrants, not blacks. White people are their own worst enemy.

    3. There is no point in trying to save "Western civilization" because Western civilization is nothing other than Neoliberalism and atheism and Globohomo. Western civilization is the sickness not the cure. We need to release ourselves from Occidentalism.

    4. There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a "White ethno-state," so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.

    5. There is no silent majority, no remnant of "decent folk" who are ready to attach themselves to a wholesome political agenda. While people may be individually likable, they are collectively contemptable and shallow and base, and wise men have always known this. There will be no help arising out of "the people." If the people are to be good, they need to be hammered into that condition by their betters.

    6. "Old stock Americans," WASPs, or whatever you want to call them, developed and promulgated the ideologies that became the antiwhite agenda. There is nothing there worth going back to, because what they were is what led us directly here.

    Examples of this sort could be multiplied extensively, but the point is made. There is no political path forward, no program, no clever idea that can save us. The only thing we can do is to undertake the hard work of becoming morally better.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Liberty Mike, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @songbird, @Almost Missouri, @Brian Reilly, @indocon, @anon, @Johnny Smoggins

    White people being to blame and Jews being to blame aren’t mutually exclusive. Jews are predators who found a weak and submissive prey in Whites.

    What do you expect when your “holy book” commands its followers to love their enemies.

  53. @Intelligent Dasein
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I'm not sure where you got this from. I am nothing like Wendell Berry at all.

    I am not an agrarian or a Georgist or a pacifist or a non-denominational "Christian". I am a Traditional Roman Catholic, full stop; I support industrialism and practical science; I would never, ever protest a coal-fired power plant or a just war or the death penalty.

    Please do not confuse me with this fellow. This is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Well you are perfectly within your rights to dissociate yourself from Berry on the strength of the labels you identify. You are right to protest within that arena.

    The trouble is, I don’t deal in labels. Religiously speaking, so far as it goes, I like you am a Catholic (but ecumenical) Christian, because that is the truth about things; but intellectually and philosophically I am a Confucian — or really, an I Ching / Tao Te Ching/ Chuang-Tzu idealist, if you prefer. (like Han Shan or Su Shih, I don’t really actually prefer anything.)

    From that perspective, your wish to cut yourself off from the underlying foundations of Berry’s thinking is just so much Nancy and Sluggo: I would say that even Berry doesn’t understand his own thought, but that doesn’t make it less useful. The two of you are chained at the hip, in ways you just don’t yet realize. That may be uncomfortable for you to hear, and in sympathetic honesty it may not even make a lick of sense at present. All I can advise is, Ora et labora.

    I wouldn’t blame you at all for disavowing everything I’ve just written as a lot of lazy misterioso jabbedyfook. But ask yourself, outside of the context of the Internet urge to win a debate: do you really think that? Re-read the Gospel of Mark, and re-read Tao Te Ching in a good translation, and re-read the very early Socratic dialogues, and read I Ching (I don’t say re-read becuz I bet you haven’t), and, Y’know, maybe you will begin to think differently, if only a little.

    Cheers, mate.

  54. @indocon
    @Charles Pewitt

    WoW, if I'm not mistaken this is the first time any Republican Congress person has been this explicit, maybe with the exception of Steve King.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    WoW, if I’m not mistaken this is the first time any Republican Congress person has been this explicit, maybe with the exception of Steve King.

    Explicit White identity politics is coming round the mountain and it is about damn time.

    Tweets from 2015:

  55. @anon
    @Intelligent Dasein


    There is not, never has been, and never will be any such thing as a “White ethno-state,” so just give it up already. Feelings of national pride and patriotism do not attach to whiteness as such, nor should they. If they did, the history of Europe would not be one of interminable warfare between whites.
     
    This belief is why we lose. Not all Whites are worthy, but there are more than enough Whites in the United States with sufficient ethnocentrism -- something that will become increasingly true the more we are oppressed -- to seceed and form an actual White ethnostate somewhere else. American Whites are not Europeans, not in the same way you implied, so the comparison is irrelevant. They are mixed to a degree that some kind of pan-European pride could work. It works for blacks, and they are not descended from a single nation.

    In fact, it did work for Whites in the recent past. American Whites were far more ethnocentric -- explicitly so -- just two or three generations ago, so once again you are wrong. There is no iron law of the universe that prevents a resurgence in White pride given the right conditions. Add in a political ideology to rally around and a defined goal to push things along and it could happen.

    In fact, it is already happening. There is a congresswomen who is openly embracing her White identity as she's being defenestrated by the Left. Granted, she's a conspiracy type ... but her rhetoric portends something to come. MAGA normies are getting redpilled fast. White identity only faded in the first place because Whites made a Faustian bargain to win national elections through the republican party. Whites are diverse -- geographically, culturally, politically, and socially. They needed to put aside differences to win, but that time is coming to an end due to demographic change. The GOP can never win again due to immigration, so the age of identity is reemerging. With no reason to vote for a party that can't win, there is increasingly little reason for normie Whites to moderate or put aside identity.

    Whites will come to see themselves as a distinct group in this age. It won't include White leftists, but it will include some Whites. In that respect, you'll see the formation of something akin to European ethnic identity over pan-White identity.

    This doesn't have to include all Whites to work, simply a large fraction. We could even use a political party or ideology as an implicit dog whistle. Leftist Whites won't hear it, and that's a good thing. We should seek to find those who think the way we do and build a community for those people, ignoring the rest as an outgroup, regardless of skin pigmentation.

    As I've pointed out before, there is a solution to these, increasingly ominous, problems you're seeing unfolding around you: secession. This is the most likely scenario that both works and preserves some semblance of order while also preventing our people from being totally destroyed, which is the path we're on now. Is it guaranteed to work? No. But I can guarantee you that doing nothing will result in our eventual annihilation. So, what choice do we have but to try it?

    Civic nationalism failed. Multiracialism failed. Americanism failed. What's left? What's your idea? Totalitarian Leftism? No thanks. Count me out.



    I'm honestly at a loss to understand why this obvious solution is resisted or ignored.

    [Yes, I know how bizarre the following will sound, but try to understand what I'm saying.]

    Let's secede, let's get our own Zion like the Jews did. Then we can set ourselves on the path to create a long-lasting home for our people, one free of this madness and the certain madness to come. This state could last essentially forever if we embrace science.

    Here's what I mean: we can use a combination of psychometric testing, genetic testing, and AI to identify White progressive self-haters, then remove them from positions of influence by law. With the right government programs enacted, that demographic could then be encouraged to relocate to blue areas of continental America; why would they stay when they are barred from government jobs?. Since we know politics is heritable, this segregation will create a permanently stable society never again susceptible to self-hating Leftist degeneration.

    Facial recognition reveals political party

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/facial-recognition-reveals-political-party-in-troubling-new-research/ar-BB1cIVA7
     
    Rethink human history in terms of biology and not ideology or events. In that light, ask yourself how many of the people involved in the Bolshevik Revolution, The French Revolution, the Spartacist Uprising and all the rest might be similarly lumped in with the self-hating progressive Left by a modern AI. My guess: the various populations overlap genetically to a high degree, irrespective of professed ideology. History is about personalities and not just about fads and ideologies. Examine the genes of Robespierre and you'll find those that make up his personality closely match those of antifa, Leftist whites, or even an alien foreigner like AOC.

    Western civilization is forced to endure periodic collapse due to the presence of these people in the population. This keeps happening because there are genes within the population that continue existing through time, causing society to collapse under the right conditions when those who bear them can act -- in a war, a famine, when overthrowing a corrupt king ... democracy, etc. Get rid of them and your problem is solved forever.

    Yes, Paul Ramsey has used the analogy of a high school bully to argue the opposite -- "if you get rid of the high school bully, another one takes his place, so it's pointless" -- but that's not really true, not absolutely. Personality types vary, and they are genetic in origin. Another bully may take the place of a deposed one, but not infinitely so. There are only so many bully genes. Get rid of enough of them, and they are gone for good because the children of non-bullies are likely to also be non-bullies; personality is heritable. This has already happened to a degree in our society. It has been speculated that European propensity for violence has been greatly reduced since antiquity through the legal system executing murderers before they could pass on their genes.

    Western Civilization undergoes these periodic and destructive upheavals because there is a group with a self-serving (and ultimately ruinous for society) social strategy influencing events. Leftists (left-wing fascists) are akin to psychopaths in this regard:

    Did humanity evolve to have psychopaths? - Big Think

    It's tempting to think of psychopathy as a kind of aberrant mental condition, but several studies suggest that it may be an evolutionary strategy.

    https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/psychopaths-evolution

    Psychopathy: A disorder or an evolutionary strategy?

    Psychopathy may be a phenotype resulting from various adaptive strategies occurring throughout evolution.

    http://www.amsj.org/archives/3768
     
    Consider it a selection pressure, one the state can manage with modern technology:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution

    We could institute an emigration program and a leftist birthrate reduction policy from the top down that could essentially make a permanently stable paradise; we could give stipends to conservatives, normies, smart ethnocentrics, populists, and otherwise decent center-left people to have one extra child while denying benefits to far-Leftists, so no one has to be harmed. With leftists gone there will be no repeat of humanity's past troubles. Every good thing communism, nationalism, fascism, or libertarianism ever wanted could be achieved with just a little effort, foresight, science, and leadership. That was never possible until this moment in history. Embrace the opportunity to make a better world.

    There is nothing wrong with this. If you're a religious person, consider that God gave man the ability to name the animals and dominion over the earth; that parable was almost certainly just a child's way of explaining that man was given the ability to influence the world in his own image. Man names the animals, not God -- and that's by His design. Trust that God is influencing things in the right way through you to make the world a better place.

    If you're not religious, then what I've said should be common sense -- no moral argument required, it's basic evolutionary biology. Nothing harmful is required. We just admit what our system does anyway through the prison system (selecting against criminal personality types by preventing them from breeding) and embrace it through official policy, but aimed at the far-left. In the future, we could have a society that's highly resistant to collapse and practically immune to the worst effects of Leftism. That sounds like heaven on earth to me.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    As I’ve pointed out before, there is a solution to these, increasingly ominous, problems you’re seeing unfolding around you: secession.

    Pure wishful thinking. This is the chronic problem with the far right/nationalist right – an addiction to wishful thinking and a retreat into a fantasy world.

  56. @Almost Missouri
    On 9/12/2001, there was a widespread consensus regarding who had killed a bunch of civilians the day before and how it was done. You may say that consensus was incorrect, but that is beside the point. At the time, the main left/right debate wasn't over what just happened, it was over what to do about it. Unsurprisingly, taking some military action against the perceived organizers won out overwhelmingly. This culminated six months later in Operation Anaconda to destroy what was left of Al Qaeda at Tora Bora, which, like most military operations, was a partial success. After that, a weird shell game of goalpost moving began and the what-to-do consensus began to fray, which continues down to today.

    Whatever your opinion about that, that "War on Terror" was against a foreign military outfit that practically everyone agreed was responsible for an atrocity against civilians in the US. This new "War on Terror", which is currently being push-polled, is against American citizens whose atrocity was to move a podium in The People's House. In other words, the two "Wars on Terror" are not only different and distinct, they are practically opposite. Also unsurprisingly, people who opposed the former love the latter, and vice versa. The only consistent thing about both "Wars on Terror" is that a bunch of stuff that is facially irrelevant to the supposed cause of each "War" will be rammed through the assembly lines of the consent factory, giving more power and money to unelected, unsupervised and unknown people.


    while ignoring the perceived systematic civil rights violations perpetrated against groups like gays and immigrants.
     
    Not sure what this is referring to. Gay and immigrant "civil rights" have been part and parcel of the "War on Terror" narrative since the beginning. Gays and immigrants have been increasing and increasingly coddled and pandered to in parallel with the growth and metastization of the "War on Terror". "Gay Rights" has been one of the slogans used to promote the supposed "War on Terror", e.g., that the Taliban were killing homos ergo we must kill Taliban. Muslim immigration has massively increased as part of the "War on Terror". The logic of these thigs always escaped me, but the reality of them happening in parallel and being used to justify one another is undeniable.

    If you think Democrats are going to avoid making a mess out of everything
     
    Yes they will. Unfortunately, their "mess" will be us.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Also unsurprisingly, people who opposed the former love the latter, and vice versa. The only consistent thing about both “Wars on Terror” is that a bunch of stuff that is facially irrelevant to the supposed cause of each “War” will be rammed through the assembly lines of the consent factory, giving more power and money to unelected, unsupervised and unknown people.

    There will be no rehabilitating of the GOPe leadership. The corporate media is trying to spin a narrative of factionalism within the Republican party, as though Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney are on one side and Marjorie Green and Trump are on the other as the battle for hearts and minds wages. That’s total BS. The Cheney/Romney wing is DOA among Republican voters. There’s no way the GOPe can even rig things to put someone like them at the head of the party anymore. This is the time to try and fuse that with the Ron Paul liberty movement–a not insignificant faction of the right that opposed both the War on Terror and War on Terror 2.

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