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The following graph shows net support for former president Donald Trump being allowed back on to Facebook by the social media platform:

If you come in search of optimism, find a flicker of hope in the results by age cohort. Zoomers are by this measure the generation most opposed to the corpotocracy silencing the citizenry.

Trump did nothing to protect other voices critical of the regime during the four years he had some power to do so. If he thought by refusing to take the fight to the social media syndicate he would be spared its banhammer, he was badly mistaken. More likely it was a consequence of his general unwillingness or inability to ever follow through on any his tough talk. Whatever the reason, his permanent exile is unsurprising even if it is mildly unpopular.

 
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  1. Lol @ this poll.

    There is one “vote” that matters, and it’s Zuckerberg’s.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @anon


    There is one “vote” that matters, and it’s Zuckerberg’s.
     
    Exactly.
  2. More likely it was a consequence of his general unwillingness or inability to ever follow through on any his tough talk. Whatever the reason, his permanent exile is unsurprising even if it is mildly unpopular.

    He could bluff little guys in NYC construction. Maybe even mobbed up Union guys. But when he faced the professional snakes in DC, they learned early on to call his bluff.

    I feel there’s justice in his being banned after not helping his supports who got banned.

  3. Trump is often depicted as being polarizing. Surely, it is true to a certain extent, but I believe outside the Never Trumpers, it is more the times than it is the man. After all, Biden is pretty crass too.

    I emphasize that I am not a fan of George HW Bush at all. “Evil” is probably the appropriate word to describe him, but I think that it might be that we do not see another president with 1.) that level of military experience, and 2.) that level of class (I mean it more in the sense of the ability to project a higher social facade than something to do with honor.)

    Bill Clinton was son of a single mother, though a widow. Obama was the son of what I’d call a single mother (opinions may differ, as she remarried). I’d call Kamala’s mother a single mother (divorced when she was five.) Will Democrats ever field someone from a traditional family again?

  4. looks like those Lowest Unemployment Americans don’t support Trump after all he did for them. what a surprise. it’s almost like they don’t appreciate how much attention Trump paid to them, and in fact, hate him and voted him out of office.

    i can hear Trump’s voice echoing for eternity in the Canyon of Bad Political Ideas.

    African-American…
    African-American…
    African-American…

    • Agree: Mark G., Catdog
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @prime noticer


    ... looks like those Lowest Unemployment Americans don’t support Trump after all he did for them.
     
    Heh. Well, it was worth a try. Again, and again, and again, and again, and ...

    That's all right, though, slugger. We'll get 'em next time!

    @DanHessinMD


    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it.
     
    Me, neither.

    @brabantian


    The best take on Donald John Trump, I think, is that now as well as during his presidency, Trump was a horrifically blackmailed individual....
     
    I don't know about that. He might very well have been blackmailed, but he was president. Excuses only go so far. It wasn't as though Trump had no weapons with which to fight back.

    Trump's chief problem is that America is no longer American. With the demographics of the age of Reagan, he'd have won reëlection by Reaganite proportions, and deservedly so.

    Trump was a fine president. He was a miracle, really, but it is unclear to me how to blame the election's theft on Attorney General Barr. Had you been attorney general of the United States, what would you have done?

    Meanwhile, let us remember that Trump conflicted with Barr's predecessor, too; and that Trump himself had chosen and installed both men. Blackmail, two attorneys general, ... at some point, the excuses begin to pile up. Trump was great, and I hope that he comes back; but he cannot be above all blame.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @MarkinLA

    , @Jay Fink
    @prime noticer

    Criminal justice reform didn't work either. After Trump signed it I called an always-Trumper friend of mine to tell him how upset I was about it. He told me it was great because blacks will now love Trump. It didn't quite work out that way

  5. I’m in the non-reinstatement camp, but not to follow thru the whole cancel culture program.

    Social media is all about exposure. Restoring Trump means restoring some of the softer “lost” followers back to Zuccbook and Twatter’s all-seeing algorithms.

    Stand firm in the new positions in MeWe and Gab if you want to (I’m not since I don’t post that much on politics on social media), and let Big Tech bleed.

    (HKer with a/cs on all of the platforms above here. MeWe has the largest user base per capita of the world in HK, and that is mostly because of HKers semi-cluelessly following Trump. I ended up using Big Tech platforms for exclusively non-political uses and since MeWe hasn’t the network effects yet and Gab is too political)

  6. The striking difference on this graph is between men (+16) and women (-2). I’m sure the difference would be even greater if comparing uneducated white men and educated white women, a comparison we have seen on many of your graphs.
    Once upon a time men and women got married and held pretty much the same political views. Would we have seen such gender differences on all political issues in 1955?
    I am becoming more convinced that the current cultural revolution is a crusade of educated white women against dirty sweaty blue collar males.
    Toxic femininity is real.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @rebel yell


    Once upon a time men and women got married and held pretty much the same political views. Would we have seen such gender differences on all political issues in 1955?
     
    Women voted Republican at almost the same rate as men until the nineteen sixties and then their voting patterns started to diverge. This happened at the same time the number of unmarried women started increasing. As long as men and women are married, their interests coincide but not so much when they don't get married. Women and men will increasingly try to use the government to benefit members of only their gender and support different politicians, as seen in this poll, when they aren't married to each other.

    The numbers of unmarried women started to increase when a new toxic form of feminism developed in the sixties which put forth the idea that women are better off without men. "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" as the saying popularized by Gloria Steinem goes. This was combined with changes in the welfare system that encouraged the breakup of marriages and the prevention of new ones forming by making it easier for poorer women with children to get along without a husband.

    Men reacted to feminist hostility to men by also becoming increasingly hostile to women, as often seen out in the manosphere on the internet. Instead of working to be a good provider, men turned into slackers who played video games and watched television and read blogs and books on how to pick up women instead of how to get them interested in marriage. Giving women the vote came to be seen as a mistake by many men but, since voting patterns didn't diverge until the sixties, the major problem was primarily the combination of sixties feminism and the growth of the welfare state.

    , @Alexander Turok
    @rebel yell

    Certainly, political differences do predate 1955, in Weimar Germany for instance, women were far more likely to vote for parties closer to the churches than men:

    http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar6_Geary.htm

    You can also see a consistent pattern in terms of dialect, women are more likely to use "prestigious" varieties:


    Non-standard dialects are usually considered low-prestige, but in some situations dialects "stigmatized by the education system still enjoy a covert prestige among working-class men for the very reason that they are considered incorrect." [snip] In studies of the speech patterns in British English, Peter Trudgill observed that more working class women spoke the standard dialect than men.[46] Farida Abu-Haidar performed a similar study in Baghdad of prestige in the Arabic language, after which she concluded that in Baghdadi Arabic, women are more conscious of prestige than are men.[47] Other areas in which this has been observed include New Zealand and Guangdong in China.[48][49] As explanation, Trudgill suggests that for men, there is covert prestige associated with speaking the working class dialect.[6] In fact, he observed men claiming to speak a less prestigious dialect than that which they actually spoke. According to this interpretation then, "women's use of prestige features simply conforms to the ordinary sociolinguistic order, while men deviate from what is expected."[50] Elizabeth Gordon, in her study of New Zealand, suggested instead that women used higher prestige forms because of the association of sexual immorality with lower-class women.[51] Whatever the cause, women across many cultures seem more likely than men to modify their speech towards the prestige dialect.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestige_(sociolinguistics)#Gender_and_covert_prestige

    Culture isn't the whole story, I bet a lot of it is just women wanting to benefit from affirmative action. I'd be more inclined to condemn the culture-oriented anti-Trump women if Trump had actual accomplishments he could list. But if all he has is "I'm low-class just like you," how can you condemn upper-class or wannabe upper-class people for not seeing the appeal?
  7. “Trump did nothing to protect other voices critical of the regime during the four years he had some power to do so. If he thought by refusing to take the fight to the social media syndicate he would be spared its banhammer, he was badly mistaken. More likely it was a consequence of his general unwillingness or inability to ever follow through on any his tough talk. ”

    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it. His bully pulpit was all he ever had.

    Most of the political parts of government that were putatively under him were in open insubordination from day one. Most elder statesman of his own party were against him: Bush Sr. and Jr, John McCain, Mitt Romney.

    Remember, even before the ban came down, his social media was interfered with on a daily basis for months and there was nothing he as president could do.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @DanHessinMD

    The big tech companies make their money from advertising. Advertising is professional lying.

    All push advertising should be outlawed; only pull advertising should be allowed. Any business can put up a web site and advertise their products or services.

    Trump should have gone after their source of revenue. Many people are tired of the big tech company's spying on them to figure out what they might be interested in and then popping up ads for products custom tailored via that spying. If push advertising were completely banned in the US, a huge part of the oligarchy would wither and die off.

    The dumbest thing Trump ever did was to use the social media platforms. He should have put up his own web site and never given an interview to any reporter. He should have spoken directly to the US population and via that vehicle gleaned what the average person considers important for him to work on.

    Replies: @Realist, @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    , @gent
    @DanHessinMD


    there was nothing he as president could do.
     
    The fact that he couldn't find alternative means of leverage, as the DNC does every single time they need something done, is why he failed. The GOP refuses to use the full toolset of power.
    , @A123
    @DanHessinMD


    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it. His bully pulpit was all he ever had.

    Most of the political parts of government that were putatively under him were in open insubordination from day one.
     
    The U.S. is a two party system. When he first took office both the GOP(e) and DNC were working against the new MAGA vision. Even now, MAGA Populism is not free of GOP(e) meddling. Realistically, Trump took the policy wins that were available. And, with no appropriations power that list is much shorter than many would like.

    His much more powerful achievement is changing both the DNC and GOP constituencies:
        • The new MAGA GOP gained workers.
        • The DNC gained anti-worker MegaCorporations and retook NeoConDemocrats
    MAGA has cohesive message and mission. The DNC is set-up for a destructive schism.

    Trump's legacy will be remembered as one of the Greats, while GW and Obama are consigned to the waste pail of history.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Catdog
    @DanHessinMD

    Trump could have joined one of the social medias that weren't run by leftists. But Jared convinced him not to do that. Even after twotter banned him he wouldnt unless he was granted 40% equity in said social medias in return. Parler agreed but was taken down so the deal fell through. Gab refused. Now the time when Trump could have leveraged his popularity to break the facebook/twitter monopolies has passed because of his own ego, greed and stupidity.

    Replies: @DanHessinMD

    , @TomSchmidt
    @DanHessinMD

    Failure to protect privacy of users incurs a penalty of up to 20,000 under Federallaw, for each user. In the Cambridge Analytica data breach, 50,000,000 FB users had their privacy violated. Potential fine: $10trillion dollars (which used to be a lot of money.)

    This wasn't a new law. All Trump had to do was insist that he would assess the fine against FB, ending it. That might have gotten him some leverage. Or he could have assessed it. FB wound up paying a fine of $6billion to settle the issue in the summer of 18 or 19.

    Hardball is only for the little guys who cannot fight back. Trump was used to having people roll over to his threats. He never faced people with the narcissism not to surrender or the resources to fight back.

  8. The best take on Donald John Trump, I think, is that now as well as during his presidency, Trump was a horrifically blackmailed individual, a tragic figure who hung on in office, to do whatever he could, which was ultimately not much beyond being a historic game-changing symbol – Trump’s symbolic role still fuelling the fanatic desire to cancel him

    Blackmail of Trump is said to have included not only threats of death, jail etc for himself and his family, but also something like threats of biological weapon attacks on one or more US cities, which Trump could avoid by playing along

    Blackmail explains items such as why Trump was unable to fire the utterly betraying Bill Barr as Attorney General despite Barr indulging obvious anti-Trump vote fraud. Trump’s goofy, politically distracting actions now – ‘2024 candidate’ etc – are likely also blackmailed behaviour, the price Trump pays for getting his ‘legal problems’ put on the back burner. Sad! Here’s a meme from when Trump did the Syria strike in 2017

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @brabantian


    Blackmail of Trump is said to have included not only threats of death, jail etc for himself and his family, but also something like threats of biological weapon attacks on one or more US cities, which Trump could avoid by playing along
     
    "Is said to have" - in other words there's no actual evidence. It's just something you want to believe. It's just another kooky conspiracy theory.
    , @MarkinLA
    @brabantian

    "blackmail" doesn't explain why Trump immediately started negotiating with himself on how he was going to keep the DACAs in the US. No, Trump showed DC early he was all bark and no bite. People keep saying "what could he have done" without asking when did he actually take a stand?

    He could have immediately ended DACA and forced Congress to come up with a solution instead of dithering if he wanted something done. He could have challenged stupid lower court decisions where they clearly had no authority to make those decisions.

    He could have held a press conference about what MUST be in his first budget bill so when he vetoed it people would know it wasn't him keeping things from getting done but a Congress who thought the carried interest deduction was more important than building the wall. He allowed himself to be cowed into signing it with a whimper about next time probably in order to show "unity" for the next election (which Trump lost power in).

    We should cancel Trump for being the gutless narcissist he turned out to be. The problem is even as worthless as he turned out to be he may actually have more guts than the rest of the GOP leadership all put together. If DeSantis is for real or I could trust Cruz on globalist economic policies, I would say Trump had his chance and he blew it.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  9. @prime noticer
    looks like those Lowest Unemployment Americans don't support Trump after all he did for them. what a surprise. it's almost like they don't appreciate how much attention Trump paid to them, and in fact, hate him and voted him out of office.

    i can hear Trump's voice echoing for eternity in the Canyon of Bad Political Ideas.

    African-American...
    African-American...
    African-American...

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Jay Fink

    … looks like those Lowest Unemployment Americans don’t support Trump after all he did for them.

    Heh. Well, it was worth a try. Again, and again, and again, and again, and …

    That’s all right, though, slugger. We’ll get ’em next time!

    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it.

    Me, neither.

    The best take on Donald John Trump, I think, is that now as well as during his presidency, Trump was a horrifically blackmailed individual….

    I don’t know about that. He might very well have been blackmailed, but he was president. Excuses only go so far. It wasn’t as though Trump had no weapons with which to fight back.

    Trump’s chief problem is that America is no longer American. With the demographics of the age of Reagan, he’d have won reëlection by Reaganite proportions, and deservedly so.

    Trump was a fine president. He was a miracle, really, but it is unclear to me how to blame the election’s theft on Attorney General Barr. Had you been attorney general of the United States, what would you have done?

    Meanwhile, let us remember that Trump conflicted with Barr’s predecessor, too; and that Trump himself had chosen and installed both men. Blackmail, two attorneys general, … at some point, the excuses begin to pile up. Trump was great, and I hope that he comes back; but he cannot be above all blame.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund



    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it.
     
    Me, neither.
     
    Yeah. He had no power. It's not like he was the President or anything.

    Meanwhile, let us remember that Trump conflicted with Barr’s predecessor, too; and that Trump himself had chosen and installed both men.
     
    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.

    And he stacked the Supreme Court with Republican swamp creatures and was surprised when they didn't support him.

    Replies: @A123, @WorkingClass, @DanHessinMD, @Realist

    , @MarkinLA
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I don't think you can blame Trump for Sessions. Sessions after 30 years in DC still didn't seem to know the slimy people slithering around him when he recused himself. He never stepped to expose what a joke these investigations were.

    Replies: @216

  10. On philosophical grounds, he should be re-instated, because there is some interest in his opinions, given his influence over a large part of the GOP. On the other hand, LOLOLOLOL!

  11. @prime noticer
    looks like those Lowest Unemployment Americans don't support Trump after all he did for them. what a surprise. it's almost like they don't appreciate how much attention Trump paid to them, and in fact, hate him and voted him out of office.

    i can hear Trump's voice echoing for eternity in the Canyon of Bad Political Ideas.

    African-American...
    African-American...
    African-American...

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Jay Fink

    Criminal justice reform didn’t work either. After Trump signed it I called an always-Trumper friend of mine to tell him how upset I was about it. He told me it was great because blacks will now love Trump. It didn’t quite work out that way

  12. @DanHessinMD
    "Trump did nothing to protect other voices critical of the regime during the four years he had some power to do so. If he thought by refusing to take the fight to the social media syndicate he would be spared its banhammer, he was badly mistaken. More likely it was a consequence of his general unwillingness or inability to ever follow through on any his tough talk. "

    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it. His bully pulpit was all he ever had.

    Most of the political parts of government that were putatively under him were in open insubordination from day one. Most elder statesman of his own party were against him: Bush Sr. and Jr, John McCain, Mitt Romney.

    Remember, even before the ban came down, his social media was interfered with on a daily basis for months and there was nothing he as president could do.

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @gent, @A123, @Catdog, @TomSchmidt

    The big tech companies make their money from advertising. Advertising is professional lying.

    All push advertising should be outlawed; only pull advertising should be allowed. Any business can put up a web site and advertise their products or services.

    Trump should have gone after their source of revenue. Many people are tired of the big tech company’s spying on them to figure out what they might be interested in and then popping up ads for products custom tailored via that spying. If push advertising were completely banned in the US, a huge part of the oligarchy would wither and die off.

    The dumbest thing Trump ever did was to use the social media platforms. He should have put up his own web site and never given an interview to any reporter. He should have spoken directly to the US population and via that vehicle gleaned what the average person considers important for him to work on.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @RoatanBill

    Agreed

    , @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @RoatanBill

    I like your unique definition of "advertising". lol There has never been so much money put into backing up lying, or at least exaggeration, which is the cousin of lying.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

  13. @DanHessinMD
    "Trump did nothing to protect other voices critical of the regime during the four years he had some power to do so. If he thought by refusing to take the fight to the social media syndicate he would be spared its banhammer, he was badly mistaken. More likely it was a consequence of his general unwillingness or inability to ever follow through on any his tough talk. "

    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it. His bully pulpit was all he ever had.

    Most of the political parts of government that were putatively under him were in open insubordination from day one. Most elder statesman of his own party were against him: Bush Sr. and Jr, John McCain, Mitt Romney.

    Remember, even before the ban came down, his social media was interfered with on a daily basis for months and there was nothing he as president could do.

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @gent, @A123, @Catdog, @TomSchmidt

    there was nothing he as president could do.

    The fact that he couldn’t find alternative means of leverage, as the DNC does every single time they need something done, is why he failed. The GOP refuses to use the full toolset of power.

  14. @RoatanBill
    @DanHessinMD

    The big tech companies make their money from advertising. Advertising is professional lying.

    All push advertising should be outlawed; only pull advertising should be allowed. Any business can put up a web site and advertise their products or services.

    Trump should have gone after their source of revenue. Many people are tired of the big tech company's spying on them to figure out what they might be interested in and then popping up ads for products custom tailored via that spying. If push advertising were completely banned in the US, a huge part of the oligarchy would wither and die off.

    The dumbest thing Trump ever did was to use the social media platforms. He should have put up his own web site and never given an interview to any reporter. He should have spoken directly to the US population and via that vehicle gleaned what the average person considers important for him to work on.

    Replies: @Realist, @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    Agreed

  15. anon[507] • Disclaimer says:

    We’ve already discussed how YouGov is a left-wing polling outfit and therefore immediately suspect of biased polling methodology. There is plenty of evidence demonstrating quite clearly that YouGov gooses their polls to get results favorable to their antiwhite globohomo agenda.

    You argue that the polling trends are important. Ok, but what if the lying and the data manipulation and the leading questions have gotten orders of magnitude worse in the last decade? Then the trends are corrupted. What was once trustworthy is now untrustworthy; the trends were interesting until they stopped being meaningful.

    And YouGov is not the only player in this game of deception. Almost every polling outfit is run by the sorts of people who look up to sociopaths like Peter Strzok and brag about drinking from “Fauci Pouchies”.

  16. Any of Y’all still using face book?

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @WorkingClass


    Any of Y’all still using face book?
     
    No.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @WorkingClass

    "Any of Y’all still using face book?"

    Or Whatsapp, which gives all your phone contacts to FB.

    Or Instagram.

    Replies: @WorkingClass, @anon

  17. A123 says:
    @DanHessinMD
    "Trump did nothing to protect other voices critical of the regime during the four years he had some power to do so. If he thought by refusing to take the fight to the social media syndicate he would be spared its banhammer, he was badly mistaken. More likely it was a consequence of his general unwillingness or inability to ever follow through on any his tough talk. "

    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it. His bully pulpit was all he ever had.

    Most of the political parts of government that were putatively under him were in open insubordination from day one. Most elder statesman of his own party were against him: Bush Sr. and Jr, John McCain, Mitt Romney.

    Remember, even before the ban came down, his social media was interfered with on a daily basis for months and there was nothing he as president could do.

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @gent, @A123, @Catdog, @TomSchmidt

    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it. His bully pulpit was all he ever had.

    Most of the political parts of government that were putatively under him were in open insubordination from day one.

    The U.S. is a two party system. When he first took office both the GOP(e) and DNC were working against the new MAGA vision. Even now, MAGA Populism is not free of GOP(e) meddling. Realistically, Trump took the policy wins that were available. And, with no appropriations power that list is much shorter than many would like.

    His much more powerful achievement is changing both the DNC and GOP constituencies:
        • The new MAGA GOP gained workers.
        • The DNC gained anti-worker MegaCorporations and retook NeoConDemocrats
    MAGA has cohesive message and mission. The DNC is set-up for a destructive schism.

    Trump’s legacy will be remembered as one of the Greats, while GW and Obama are consigned to the waste pail of history.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: WorkingClass, Curle
  18. @brabantian
    The best take on Donald John Trump, I think, is that now as well as during his presidency, Trump was a horrifically blackmailed individual, a tragic figure who hung on in office, to do whatever he could, which was ultimately not much beyond being a historic game-changing symbol - Trump's symbolic role still fuelling the fanatic desire to cancel him

    Blackmail of Trump is said to have included not only threats of death, jail etc for himself and his family, but also something like threats of biological weapon attacks on one or more US cities, which Trump could avoid by playing along

    Blackmail explains items such as why Trump was unable to fire the utterly betraying Bill Barr as Attorney General despite Barr indulging obvious anti-Trump vote fraud. Trump's goofy, politically distracting actions now - '2024 candidate' etc - are likely also blackmailed behaviour, the price Trump pays for getting his 'legal problems' put on the back burner. Sad! Here's a meme from when Trump did the Syria strike in 2017
    https://i.ibb.co/wpJB4CW/Trump-help-me-they-will-kill-me.jpg

    Replies: @dfordoom, @MarkinLA

    Blackmail of Trump is said to have included not only threats of death, jail etc for himself and his family, but also something like threats of biological weapon attacks on one or more US cities, which Trump could avoid by playing along

    “Is said to have” – in other words there’s no actual evidence. It’s just something you want to believe. It’s just another kooky conspiracy theory.

  19. @V. K. Ovelund
    @prime noticer


    ... looks like those Lowest Unemployment Americans don’t support Trump after all he did for them.
     
    Heh. Well, it was worth a try. Again, and again, and again, and again, and ...

    That's all right, though, slugger. We'll get 'em next time!

    @DanHessinMD


    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it.
     
    Me, neither.

    @brabantian


    The best take on Donald John Trump, I think, is that now as well as during his presidency, Trump was a horrifically blackmailed individual....
     
    I don't know about that. He might very well have been blackmailed, but he was president. Excuses only go so far. It wasn't as though Trump had no weapons with which to fight back.

    Trump's chief problem is that America is no longer American. With the demographics of the age of Reagan, he'd have won reëlection by Reaganite proportions, and deservedly so.

    Trump was a fine president. He was a miracle, really, but it is unclear to me how to blame the election's theft on Attorney General Barr. Had you been attorney general of the United States, what would you have done?

    Meanwhile, let us remember that Trump conflicted with Barr's predecessor, too; and that Trump himself had chosen and installed both men. Blackmail, two attorneys general, ... at some point, the excuses begin to pile up. Trump was great, and I hope that he comes back; but he cannot be above all blame.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @MarkinLA

    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it.

    Me, neither.

    Yeah. He had no power. It’s not like he was the President or anything.

    Meanwhile, let us remember that Trump conflicted with Barr’s predecessor, too; and that Trump himself had chosen and installed both men.

    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.

    And he stacked the Supreme Court with Republican swamp creatures and was surprised when they didn’t support him.

    • Replies: @A123
    @dfordoom


    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.
     
    Without a Senate majority for confirmation, Trump's options were:
    • Horse trading for some decent appointments
    • No appointments

    Clearly Trump made some tragic mistakes. Most notably Jeff "Recusal" Sessions as AG. For the most part, the bad picks were made by GOP(e) Senators that he had to keep onboard.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    , @WorkingClass
    @dfordoom

    Yeah. He had no power. It’s not like he was the President or anything.

    The President is chief executive for the federal government. On paper.

    Replies: @Realist

    , @DanHessinMD
    @dfordoom

    Snark from Australia isn't an answer. There are specific powers a president has. In foreign policy the president's powers are vast, from waging war to setting tariffs and being in charge of the border.

    In domestic affairs, the president's powers are much less. The Obama administration hated George Zimmerman, but his fate was out of their hands and he walked free. If he was a foreigner in the Middle East, Obama could have droned him without comment.

    It is a specific question, what could Trump have done to stop the Facebook/Twitter/YouTube bannings of conservatives?

    , @Realist
    @dfordoom


    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.
     
    He made appointments as he was supposed to...as a minion for the Deep State. Trump was a sham, he never had the intent to drain the swamp.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  20. A123 says:

    Trump did nothing to protect other voices critical of the regime during the four years he had some power to do so. If he thought by refusing to take the fight to the social media syndicate he would be spared its banhammer, he was badly mistaken.

    Taking weak steps to offer tissue paper integrity protection to supporters would have been a much worse choice. It would have left them at the mercy of BigTech. As harsh as it sounds, letting the hammer fall caused the creation of truly robust technology solutions. MAGA communications, such as Gab and Conservative Treehouse, now reside on totally BigTech free servers.

    During the next major confrontation in 3½ years, the next MAGA Administration can send in federal officials and pull the metaphorical “off switch” on Twitter and Facebook. SCOTUS submission to the Blue Coup means that the Judiciary is totally without credibility. Any orders to turn them back on will be met by procedural motion, and appeal, and motion, and delay, and appeal. They will stay down for months.

    MAGA will have total dominance in social media. Their infrastructure no longer relies on BigTech that will experience the MAGA retaliatory ban hammer.

    PEACE 😇

  21. Anonymous[628] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump catered to blacks. He tried to shut down illegal immigration that affects blacks the most. He did prison reform and let out a bunch of blacks. But blacks slavishly follow their liberal masters who give them scraps to satisfy immediate gratification. In many ways it is pathetic and sad. (Nb: not that the GOP is any better in many respects but Trump ≠ GOP).

    One can’t help but come to the conclusion that blacks will be mired in dysfunction in perpetuity.

  22. Mr Epigone says:

    Trump did nothing to protect other voices critical of the regime during the four years he had some power to do so. If he thought by refusing to take the fight to the social media syndicate he would be spared its banhammer, he was badly mistaken. More likely it was a consequence of his general unwillingness or inability to ever follow through on any his tough talk. Whatever the reason, his permanent exile is unsurprising even if it is mildly unpopular.

    I say:

    Fat ass baby boomer coward from Queens, New York City, was and is a complete and total whore for the corporate propaganda apparatus and Trump is in bed with the nasty anti-White and anti-Christian elements that have disproportionate power over the propaganda in the USA and in other European Christian nations.

    Trump is from New York City and that city is run by Jews and the Jews run that city like a city state connected to Israel and from the get-go that fat slob Trump was in with the New Jersey Kushner crowd and even that fat ass Chris Christie was shocked at how unscrupulous and rancid those Kushner people are. I’ll give credit to Jared Kushner for getting those thighs and figure and beauty of Trump’s daughter and you’ll never hear me say a bad word about Ivanka or Melania, but Jared and Trump and the rest of that New York City area crowd are fair game.

    Trump broke our hearts by abandoning the immigration question and the national question and Trump has lost substantial electoral ground with White men and he seems to be doing nothing to gain more of the White vote, male or female.

    Trump capitulated like a three dollar whore when he was under attack from the disproportionately-controlled Jew mass media and Trump could’ve declared war on the mass media but Trump went along like a sad sack baby boomer boob grabbing loot from his banker pal Carl Icahn.

    If Trump had called for the rhetorical mobilization of the White Core American People’s Army, such as Farage had done in England, Trump could’ve rhetorically bashed the corporate propaganda apparatus back to the stone age.

    I am currently compiling my list of demands for Trump before I will consider accepting Trump’s endorsement for the upcoming US Senatorial Republican Party primary in New Hampshire . Trump must relinquish his New Jersey golf club to me to use as my mid-Atlantic campaign headquarters and Trump must hire Van Morrison — at top dollar rates — to provide a series of concerts at the previously mentioned golf club.

    Trump must also fork over twenty million dollars to my campaign from all the ill-gotten gains he has grabbed from dopes who think this guy Trump is so great.

    These Swiftian preconditions for my accepting Trump’s endorsement seem modest and reasonable to me.

    Trump won’t fight when fighting is needed and Scotch-Irish warrior Andrew Jackson is rolling over in his grave with disgust to see Trump get rolled by Jew billionaire Mark Zuckerberg and all the rest of the nasty pukes in the mass media.

    Trump won’t fight against the mass media totalitarians who hate free speech because Trump is in bed with the Jews who have disproportionate control over the corporate propaganda apparatus.

    Attention Donald J Trump:

    You broke our hearts with your cowardice and complicity with the Jew elements that have a disproportionate control over the propaganda in the USA.

  23. The Deplorables defeated both parties in ’16. For this they must die. The ruling class wanted JEB or Hillary. We are not amused.

    • Replies: @anon
    @WorkingClass

    I think the Party wanted Jeb to lose gracefully to Hillary, sorta like the way McCain lost to Obama. Trump upset that whole thing, and the Party leaders hated him for it. The Washington Generals must stay in their lane, and lose. Lose gracefully if possible, but lose!

    Trump showed that there is a path to daylight, if politicos have the balls to go there. The old donor-class reallllly don't like that. Maybe too much work to actually try to govern? Maybe they don't like letting Deplorables too close to real power? I dunno.

    But I do know the GOPe is currently entangled in conflict with younger politicians who saw Trump's win as a route to daylight. Dick Cheney's daughter is an example, she's gonna have a real primary opponent next year in Wyoming. Mittens Romney got booed pretty loud and hard at a Republican event in Utah very recently. I'm sure he'll get re-elected to the Senate as many times as he wants, but his negatives will continue to grow. Expect more retirements of old RINO's.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  24. @WorkingClass
    Any of Y'all still using face book?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @YetAnotherAnon

    Any of Y’all still using face book?

    No.

  25. A123 says:
    @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund



    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it.
     
    Me, neither.
     
    Yeah. He had no power. It's not like he was the President or anything.

    Meanwhile, let us remember that Trump conflicted with Barr’s predecessor, too; and that Trump himself had chosen and installed both men.
     
    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.

    And he stacked the Supreme Court with Republican swamp creatures and was surprised when they didn't support him.

    Replies: @A123, @WorkingClass, @DanHessinMD, @Realist

    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.

    Without a Senate majority for confirmation, Trump’s options were:
    • Horse trading for some decent appointments
    • No appointments

    Clearly Trump made some tragic mistakes. Most notably Jeff “Recusal” Sessions as AG. For the most part, the bad picks were made by GOP(e) Senators that he had to keep onboard.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @A123

    Clearly Trump made some tragic mistakes. Most notably Jeff “Recusal” Sessions as AG. For the most part, the bad picks were made by GOP(e) Senators that he had to keep onboard.

    I say:

    Jeff Sessions brought the Immigration Question and the National Question to the front of American politics and Sessions helped Trump win some Southern primary states in 2016 and the recusal business was Trump putting the blame on somebody else but Trump.

    Replies: @Catdog, @A123

  26. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund



    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it.
     
    Me, neither.
     
    Yeah. He had no power. It's not like he was the President or anything.

    Meanwhile, let us remember that Trump conflicted with Barr’s predecessor, too; and that Trump himself had chosen and installed both men.
     
    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.

    And he stacked the Supreme Court with Republican swamp creatures and was surprised when they didn't support him.

    Replies: @A123, @WorkingClass, @DanHessinMD, @Realist

    Yeah. He had no power. It’s not like he was the President or anything.

    The President is chief executive for the federal government. On paper.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @WorkingClass


    The President is chief executive for the federal government. On paper.
     
    Yes, titular Trump.
  27. @A123
    @dfordoom


    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.
     
    Without a Senate majority for confirmation, Trump's options were:
    • Horse trading for some decent appointments
    • No appointments

    Clearly Trump made some tragic mistakes. Most notably Jeff "Recusal" Sessions as AG. For the most part, the bad picks were made by GOP(e) Senators that he had to keep onboard.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Clearly Trump made some tragic mistakes. Most notably Jeff “Recusal” Sessions as AG. For the most part, the bad picks were made by GOP(e) Senators that he had to keep onboard.

    I say:

    Jeff Sessions brought the Immigration Question and the National Question to the front of American politics and Sessions helped Trump win some Southern primary states in 2016 and the recusal business was Trump putting the blame on somebody else but Trump.

    • Agree: baythoven
    • Replies: @Catdog
    @Charles Pewitt

    Right. Trump can't point the finger at Sessions for recussing when he himself didn't have the balls to pardon Flynne until it was too late to matter.

    Replies: @Curle

    , @A123
    @Charles Pewitt


    Jeff Sessions brought the Immigration Question and the National Question to the front of American politics and Sessions helped Trump win some Southern primary states in 2016 and the recusal business was Trump putting the blame on somebody else but Trump.
     
    The Special Prosecutor trap was laid by the Democrats, and Jeff "Refusal" Sessions delivered a brutal body blow to the American people by siding with the DNC. He was Trump's worst appointment. Someone totally unprepared to be Attorney General.

    I am not nescessarily saying that Sessions was a bad human being. Perhaps Sessions would have been a great nomination for Department Of Labor where he would have overseen H1/H2 visas. However, as a matter of objective fact, having a Recusing General instead of an AG was an unmitigated disaster.

    Imagine how much better it would have been if every wire tap request was seen by a Trump administration official. Allowing #NeverTrump Mueller and #NeverTrump Freeh to run amok was a catastrophic error, 100% the fault of Jeff "Recusal" Sessions. There is no rational way to shift the responsibility to any one else.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @MarkinLA

  28. • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @Charles Pewitt

    Hutchinson was ALWAYS a USELESS RINO, worthless in terms of an opposition politician to the Republican party. I'm so sick of these ex rino numbskulls coming out from under their cushy retirement. Go find our entertainment elsewhere.

  29. anon[982] • Disclaimer says:
    @WorkingClass
    The Deplorables defeated both parties in '16. For this they must die. The ruling class wanted JEB or Hillary. We are not amused.

    Replies: @anon

    I think the Party wanted Jeb to lose gracefully to Hillary, sorta like the way McCain lost to Obama. Trump upset that whole thing, and the Party leaders hated him for it. The Washington Generals must stay in their lane, and lose. Lose gracefully if possible, but lose!

    Trump showed that there is a path to daylight, if politicos have the balls to go there. The old donor-class reallllly don’t like that. Maybe too much work to actually try to govern? Maybe they don’t like letting Deplorables too close to real power? I dunno.

    But I do know the GOPe is currently entangled in conflict with younger politicians who saw Trump’s win as a route to daylight. Dick Cheney’s daughter is an example, she’s gonna have a real primary opponent next year in Wyoming. Mittens Romney got booed pretty loud and hard at a Republican event in Utah very recently. I’m sure he’ll get re-elected to the Senate as many times as he wants, but his negatives will continue to grow. Expect more retirements of old RINO’s.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon


    But I do know the GOPe is currently entangled in conflict with younger politicians who saw Trump’s win as a route to daylight.
     
    When you have an inherently corrupt system in which politicians are openly bought and sold the problem is that within a decade or so your shiny new populist MAGA GOP will be just as corrupt as the current GOP.

    Replies: @anon

  30. @DanHessinMD
    "Trump did nothing to protect other voices critical of the regime during the four years he had some power to do so. If he thought by refusing to take the fight to the social media syndicate he would be spared its banhammer, he was badly mistaken. More likely it was a consequence of his general unwillingness or inability to ever follow through on any his tough talk. "

    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it. His bully pulpit was all he ever had.

    Most of the political parts of government that were putatively under him were in open insubordination from day one. Most elder statesman of his own party were against him: Bush Sr. and Jr, John McCain, Mitt Romney.

    Remember, even before the ban came down, his social media was interfered with on a daily basis for months and there was nothing he as president could do.

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @gent, @A123, @Catdog, @TomSchmidt

    Trump could have joined one of the social medias that weren’t run by leftists. But Jared convinced him not to do that. Even after twotter banned him he wouldnt unless he was granted 40% equity in said social medias in return. Parler agreed but was taken down so the deal fell through. Gab refused. Now the time when Trump could have leveraged his popularity to break the facebook/twitter monopolies has passed because of his own ego, greed and stupidity.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
    @Catdog

    That does not address what Trump could have done about bannings. Twitter and Facebook are quasi monopolies in their spaces. If you have all the establishment against you, you need them.

    Going from 80 million followers on Twitter to 1 million or 3 million followers on Parler or Gab is not a winning path. You don't win elections with with those kinds of numbers, nor change the narrative.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Jay Fink, @Curle

  31. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund



    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it.
     
    Me, neither.
     
    Yeah. He had no power. It's not like he was the President or anything.

    Meanwhile, let us remember that Trump conflicted with Barr’s predecessor, too; and that Trump himself had chosen and installed both men.
     
    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.

    And he stacked the Supreme Court with Republican swamp creatures and was surprised when they didn't support him.

    Replies: @A123, @WorkingClass, @DanHessinMD, @Realist

    Snark from Australia isn’t an answer. There are specific powers a president has. In foreign policy the president’s powers are vast, from waging war to setting tariffs and being in charge of the border.

    In domestic affairs, the president’s powers are much less. The Obama administration hated George Zimmerman, but his fate was out of their hands and he walked free. If he was a foreigner in the Middle East, Obama could have droned him without comment.

    It is a specific question, what could Trump have done to stop the Facebook/Twitter/YouTube bannings of conservatives?

  32. @Charles Pewitt
    @A123

    Clearly Trump made some tragic mistakes. Most notably Jeff “Recusal” Sessions as AG. For the most part, the bad picks were made by GOP(e) Senators that he had to keep onboard.

    I say:

    Jeff Sessions brought the Immigration Question and the National Question to the front of American politics and Sessions helped Trump win some Southern primary states in 2016 and the recusal business was Trump putting the blame on somebody else but Trump.

    Replies: @Catdog, @A123

    Right. Trump can’t point the finger at Sessions for recussing when he himself didn’t have the balls to pardon Flynne until it was too late to matter.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @Curle
    @Catdog

    Except the way it played out demonstrated much more than any speech or policy ever could the truth in Trump ally claims about the deep state.

  33. @Catdog
    @DanHessinMD

    Trump could have joined one of the social medias that weren't run by leftists. But Jared convinced him not to do that. Even after twotter banned him he wouldnt unless he was granted 40% equity in said social medias in return. Parler agreed but was taken down so the deal fell through. Gab refused. Now the time when Trump could have leveraged his popularity to break the facebook/twitter monopolies has passed because of his own ego, greed and stupidity.

    Replies: @DanHessinMD

    That does not address what Trump could have done about bannings. Twitter and Facebook are quasi monopolies in their spaces. If you have all the establishment against you, you need them.

    Going from 80 million followers on Twitter to 1 million or 3 million followers on Parler or Gab is not a winning path. You don’t win elections with with those kinds of numbers, nor change the narrative.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @DanHessinMD


    Going from 80 million followers on Twitter to 1 million or 3 million followers on Parler or Gab is not a winning path. You don’t win elections with with those kinds of numbers, nor change the narrative.
     
    True, but you also don't win by submitting to experiments in censorship on Wokenstein's platform. Catch-22.

    In my judgment, abandoning Twitter is the lesser evil.

    , @Jay Fink
    @DanHessinMD

    Trump could have helped Parler or Gab grow significantly. Twitter would not have been pleased. From what I understand Trump was open to it but Jared Kushner advised him not to. I would have strongly preferred for Kushner not to have any influence whatsoever...on anything not just this.

    , @Curle
    @DanHessinMD

    But when you’ve already changed the narrative it might be time to let others pick up the mantle. In fact, might be preferable to do so.

  34. @rebel yell
    The striking difference on this graph is between men (+16) and women (-2). I'm sure the difference would be even greater if comparing uneducated white men and educated white women, a comparison we have seen on many of your graphs.
    Once upon a time men and women got married and held pretty much the same political views. Would we have seen such gender differences on all political issues in 1955?
    I am becoming more convinced that the current cultural revolution is a crusade of educated white women against dirty sweaty blue collar males.
    Toxic femininity is real.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Alexander Turok

    Once upon a time men and women got married and held pretty much the same political views. Would we have seen such gender differences on all political issues in 1955?

    Women voted Republican at almost the same rate as men until the nineteen sixties and then their voting patterns started to diverge. This happened at the same time the number of unmarried women started increasing. As long as men and women are married, their interests coincide but not so much when they don’t get married. Women and men will increasingly try to use the government to benefit members of only their gender and support different politicians, as seen in this poll, when they aren’t married to each other.

    The numbers of unmarried women started to increase when a new toxic form of feminism developed in the sixties which put forth the idea that women are better off without men. “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” as the saying popularized by Gloria Steinem goes. This was combined with changes in the welfare system that encouraged the breakup of marriages and the prevention of new ones forming by making it easier for poorer women with children to get along without a husband.

    Men reacted to feminist hostility to men by also becoming increasingly hostile to women, as often seen out in the manosphere on the internet. Instead of working to be a good provider, men turned into slackers who played video games and watched television and read blogs and books on how to pick up women instead of how to get them interested in marriage. Giving women the vote came to be seen as a mistake by many men but, since voting patterns didn’t diverge until the sixties, the major problem was primarily the combination of sixties feminism and the growth of the welfare state.

  35. anon[945] • Disclaimer says:

    Not entirely off topic.

    One side effect of serious economic contraction last year due to COVID – year over year prices must increase when the economy improves.

    In the political sense, a 4.2% price increase is bad news for the Biden team. But media cheerleaders can be counted on to smooth it over. However some may enjoy the Rick Santelli vid embedded in this CNBC post.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/consumer-price-index-april-2021.html?__source=sharebar%7Ctwitter&par=sharebar

  36. A123 says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    @A123

    Clearly Trump made some tragic mistakes. Most notably Jeff “Recusal” Sessions as AG. For the most part, the bad picks were made by GOP(e) Senators that he had to keep onboard.

    I say:

    Jeff Sessions brought the Immigration Question and the National Question to the front of American politics and Sessions helped Trump win some Southern primary states in 2016 and the recusal business was Trump putting the blame on somebody else but Trump.

    Replies: @Catdog, @A123

    Jeff Sessions brought the Immigration Question and the National Question to the front of American politics and Sessions helped Trump win some Southern primary states in 2016 and the recusal business was Trump putting the blame on somebody else but Trump.

    The Special Prosecutor trap was laid by the Democrats, and Jeff “Refusal” Sessions delivered a brutal body blow to the American people by siding with the DNC. He was Trump’s worst appointment. Someone totally unprepared to be Attorney General.

    I am not nescessarily saying that Sessions was a bad human being. Perhaps Sessions would have been a great nomination for Department Of Labor where he would have overseen H1/H2 visas. However, as a matter of objective fact, having a Recusing General instead of an AG was an unmitigated disaster.

    Imagine how much better it would have been if every wire tap request was seen by a Trump administration official. Allowing #NeverTrump Mueller and #NeverTrump Freeh to run amok was a catastrophic error, 100% the fault of Jeff “Recusal” Sessions. There is no rational way to shift the responsibility to any one else.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: WorkingClass
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @A123

    Sessions having been a prosecutor in Alabama thought he had no other choice but to recuse himself. His problem was his naivety in thinking this was a legit investigation. He knew there was no THERE there and should have set a timeline or demanded to see where it was heading. Once it was obvious it was a wild goose chase he should have called a press conference put all the testimony out there and showed why it was all bunk and shut it down.

  37. @anon
    Lol @ this poll.

    There is one "vote" that matters, and it's Zuckerberg's.

    Replies: @Realist

    There is one “vote” that matters, and it’s Zuckerberg’s.

    Exactly.

  38. @WorkingClass
    @dfordoom

    Yeah. He had no power. It’s not like he was the President or anything.

    The President is chief executive for the federal government. On paper.

    Replies: @Realist

    The President is chief executive for the federal government. On paper.

    Yes, titular Trump.

  39. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund



    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it.
     
    Me, neither.
     
    Yeah. He had no power. It's not like he was the President or anything.

    Meanwhile, let us remember that Trump conflicted with Barr’s predecessor, too; and that Trump himself had chosen and installed both men.
     
    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.

    And he stacked the Supreme Court with Republican swamp creatures and was surprised when they didn't support him.

    Replies: @A123, @WorkingClass, @DanHessinMD, @Realist

    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.

    He made appointments as he was supposed to…as a minion for the Deep State. Trump was a sham, he never had the intent to drain the swamp.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Realist

    I think he was like any older person who doesn't understand that things have changed. He went to military school, and probably thought the military was still duty, honor, country. Recall him bragging about "my generals." He didn't understand that this wasn't Ike's military that structured his military academy, but a thoroughly converged progressive institution. Which he then proceeded to give an extra $50 billion to. The Dems didn't fight him on that.

    I fault him more for looking with 1950s lenses at modern America. Whether he ever intended to drain the swamp, he did not order the dredges and tiles to do so.

    Replies: @Realist

  40. Cancel someone for breaking a law, ok by me.

    Canceling a political opponent should be illegal. FB, Twitter et al use communications systems regulated by the government.

    • Agree: DanHessinMD
  41. Imagine how much better it would have been if every wire tap request was seen by a Trump administration official. Allowing #NeverTrump Mueller and #NeverTrump Freeh to run amok was a catastrophic error, 100% the fault of Jeff “Recusal” Sessions. There is no rational way to shift the responsibility to any one else.

    The USA will soon be revoking citizenship of recent interlopers and their spawn and forcibly deporting tens of millions of foreigners and England and France and Germany and many other European Christian nations will be doing the same.

    Trump stabbed his voter base and the European Christian ancestral core of the USA in the back by refusing to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders currently occupying the USA.

    Trump was screaming like a mass immigration extremist fanatic about flooding the USA with mass legal immigration “in the largest numbers ever.”

    Trump wants to flood Islamic Terrorists and Asian Indians and Han Chinese and Third Worlders from Mexico and Latin America into the USA.

    Trump was scheming and plotting with foreign elements to massively increase the visa foreigner hordes in the USA.

    Trump was a nasty baby boomer chump and whore for the CHEAP LABOR FACTION of the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    Trump was a good little politician whore who did the bidding of the evil elements that want to swamp the historic American nation with foreigners and Third Worlders and non-Europeans.

    When the asset bubbles created by the globalized central banker shysters go POP that will be the time when 70 million or so foreigners and their spawn are forcibly deported out of the USA and they will not be allowed to enter or transverse any other European Christian nation.

    The USA will get down to a population 0f 220 million like in 1978 and the non-European percentage of the population will be reduced dramatically.

    Raise the federal funds rate to the normal level of 6 percent and cut out all the other monetary policy extremist machinations and that will POP the asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate and that will provide the political atmosphere required to remove the foreigners and their spawn.

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    @Charles Pewitt

    Jeez dude, STFU already with your bizarre screeds.

    You seem to have a massive soft spot for white Europeans. As in:


    Trump was a good little politician whore who did the bidding of the evil elements that want to swamp the historic American nation with foreigners and Third Worlders and non-Europeans.

     

    Did you know white Europeans hated Trump--not for the reason you do (that he wasn't right-wing enough)--but for the opposite reason? That he was a "fascist?" Do you know what a fooking imbecile you sound like, yearning for some sort of irredentist happy white Europa while the real-life white Europe laughs in your face?

    If you want to understand the European mentality, imagine Portland Antifa in somewhat more stylish clothes, holding Gauloises. And to think, you want these people here.
  42. @DanHessinMD
    @Catdog

    That does not address what Trump could have done about bannings. Twitter and Facebook are quasi monopolies in their spaces. If you have all the establishment against you, you need them.

    Going from 80 million followers on Twitter to 1 million or 3 million followers on Parler or Gab is not a winning path. You don't win elections with with those kinds of numbers, nor change the narrative.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Jay Fink, @Curle

    Going from 80 million followers on Twitter to 1 million or 3 million followers on Parler or Gab is not a winning path. You don’t win elections with with those kinds of numbers, nor change the narrative.

    True, but you also don’t win by submitting to experiments in censorship on Wokenstein’s platform. Catch-22.

    In my judgment, abandoning Twitter is the lesser evil.

  43. Trump’s 2020 voter coalition was 85 percent or more WHITE and that fat ass baby boomer slob went out of his damn way to not mention WHITES as WHITES.

    Trump and the rancid Republican Party Ruling Class do not have the balls nor the guts nor the heart nor the brains nor the bravery to advance the interests of WHITES as WHITES.

    Trump the coward punk whore for Shelly Adelson and Paul Singer and Carl Icahn was screaming like a baby boomer scumbag about everybody else but WHITES and about 5 percent of White male voters told Trump to screw off and that is why Biden won in the crucially important Electoral College states of the Great Lakes.

    I wrote this in November of 2020:

    I was wrong to think that White Women Voters — with a college degree or without — and Greedy White Geezers would abandon Trump and be the decisive factor in Trump losing to Biden.

    It was the FIVE PERCENT — 5% — 5 percent — of White Gentlemen Voters who refused to vote for Trump in key Electoral College states that were the decisive factor in Trump suffering a defeat to Hair Plug Biden and the Democrat Party.

    You could say that the Greedy White Geezer gentlemen in the Great Lakes states joined ranks with the other White Gentlemen Voters to eschew support for the Adelson and Kushner poodle boy baby boomer fat ass named Trump.

    Trump touted the Fed-induced asset bubbles and Black voters and so-called “Hispanic” voters and all other manner of voters except Whites as Whites and the 5 percent of White Gentlemen Voters refused to endure the snub and they sank the Trump campaign.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/nothing-under-this-stone/#comment-4276728

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    @Charles Pewitt

    ORANGE MAN FAT!!

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

  44. @Charles Pewitt
    Imagine how much better it would have been if every wire tap request was seen by a Trump administration official. Allowing #NeverTrump Mueller and #NeverTrump Freeh to run amok was a catastrophic error, 100% the fault of Jeff “Recusal” Sessions. There is no rational way to shift the responsibility to any one else.

    The USA will soon be revoking citizenship of recent interlopers and their spawn and forcibly deporting tens of millions of foreigners and England and France and Germany and many other European Christian nations will be doing the same.

    Trump stabbed his voter base and the European Christian ancestral core of the USA in the back by refusing to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders currently occupying the USA.

    Trump was screaming like a mass immigration extremist fanatic about flooding the USA with mass legal immigration "in the largest numbers ever."

    Trump wants to flood Islamic Terrorists and Asian Indians and Han Chinese and Third Worlders from Mexico and Latin America into the USA.

    Trump was scheming and plotting with foreign elements to massively increase the visa foreigner hordes in the USA.

    Trump was a nasty baby boomer chump and whore for the CHEAP LABOR FACTION of the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    Trump was a good little politician whore who did the bidding of the evil elements that want to swamp the historic American nation with foreigners and Third Worlders and non-Europeans.

    When the asset bubbles created by the globalized central banker shysters go POP that will be the time when 70 million or so foreigners and their spawn are forcibly deported out of the USA and they will not be allowed to enter or transverse any other European Christian nation.

    The USA will get down to a population 0f 220 million like in 1978 and the non-European percentage of the population will be reduced dramatically.

    Raise the federal funds rate to the normal level of 6 percent and cut out all the other monetary policy extremist machinations and that will POP the asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate and that will provide the political atmosphere required to remove the foreigners and their spawn.

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING

    Replies: @Bragadocious

    Jeez dude, STFU already with your bizarre screeds.

    You seem to have a massive soft spot for white Europeans. As in:

    Trump was a good little politician whore who did the bidding of the evil elements that want to swamp the historic American nation with foreigners and Third Worlders and non-Europeans.

    Did you know white Europeans hated Trump–not for the reason you do (that he wasn’t right-wing enough)–but for the opposite reason? That he was a “fascist?” Do you know what a fooking imbecile you sound like, yearning for some sort of irredentist happy white Europa while the real-life white Europe laughs in your face?

    If you want to understand the European mentality, imagine Portland Antifa in somewhat more stylish clothes, holding Gauloises. And to think, you want these people here.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  45. Let’s just say that Liz Cheney, needs to leave the Republican party. As A conservative, she “conserves” nothing. She is less than useless and should be joined by Romney, McConnell, Ernst, Hutchinson, Murkowski, and the rest of the RINO’s who do not support Trump. Like it or not, Trump is the head of the Republican party and is still known to be supported by tens of millions of conservatives, the establishment media’s blathering on to the contrary being not important in the slightest . During the time Trump was president, people will remember that as the attacks increased against him by the corrupt establishment media, he would only become more and more popular.

  46. @WorkingClass
    Any of Y'all still using face book?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Any of Y’all still using face book?”

    Or Whatsapp, which gives all your phone contacts to FB.

    Or Instagram.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Or Amazon or Twitter. Come on Man. Confess!

    , @anon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Or Zoom, which phones home to Chinese servers.

  47. It’s assumed and trumpeted by the MSM that Liz Cheney was dethroned for her “principled” criticism and opposition to Trump. The fact of the matter is that someone like her who can’t promote the party line can’t be trusted in a position mandated to enforce the party line. All the Sturm und Drang about Trump is a distraction.

    Let’s hope Presidential candidate DeSantis knows how to cut the legs out from under the five major MOG metropolii that delivered a Biden Presidency.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    @The Alarmist

    Liz is now leader of the Never Trumpers. Captian of the Titanic. Orange Man should start a Third Party. The Orange Party. Just to see the Republicans come in a distant third in national elections. What the hell. The Democrats are going to steal it anyway.

    I have the bumper sticker:
    ORANGE LIVES MATTER

    Replies: @A123

  48. @Charles Pewitt
    Trump's 2020 voter coalition was 85 percent or more WHITE and that fat ass baby boomer slob went out of his damn way to not mention WHITES as WHITES.

    Trump and the rancid Republican Party Ruling Class do not have the balls nor the guts nor the heart nor the brains nor the bravery to advance the interests of WHITES as WHITES.

    Trump the coward punk whore for Shelly Adelson and Paul Singer and Carl Icahn was screaming like a baby boomer scumbag about everybody else but WHITES and about 5 percent of White male voters told Trump to screw off and that is why Biden won in the crucially important Electoral College states of the Great Lakes.

    I wrote this in November of 2020:

    I was wrong to think that White Women Voters — with a college degree or without — and Greedy White Geezers would abandon Trump and be the decisive factor in Trump losing to Biden.

    It was the FIVE PERCENT — 5% — 5 percent — of White Gentlemen Voters who refused to vote for Trump in key Electoral College states that were the decisive factor in Trump suffering a defeat to Hair Plug Biden and the Democrat Party.

    You could say that the Greedy White Geezer gentlemen in the Great Lakes states joined ranks with the other White Gentlemen Voters to eschew support for the Adelson and Kushner poodle boy baby boomer fat ass named Trump.

    Trump touted the Fed-induced asset bubbles and Black voters and so-called “Hispanic” voters and all other manner of voters except Whites as Whites and the 5 percent of White Gentlemen Voters refused to endure the snub and they sank the Trump campaign.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/nothing-under-this-stone/#comment-4276728

    Replies: @WorkingClass

    ORANGE MAN FAT!!

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @WorkingClass

    ORANGE MAN FAT!!

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump refused to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump has been screaming like a mass immigration extremist about flooding the USA with mass legal immigration "in the largest numbers ever."

    Mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration increases traffic congestion, spreads urban and suburban sprawl, increases housing costs, lowers wages, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, harms the environment and destroys cultural cohesion and cultural integrity.

    The GOP presidential primary contender in 2024 who calls for the immediate deportation of all illegal alien invaders and also calls for a complete and total halt to all legal immigration and who also calls for the forcible removal of all legal residents and visa holders will win the 2024 Republican Party presidential primary and that man or woman will win the White House.

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich, @WorkingClass

  49. The only significant things to observe are the black and Democrat bars, so far below the line, vs. the Republican bar, so far above the line.

    That tells a story, and it should have been mentioned in this post.

    AE: Are you asleep at the wheel?

  50. @YetAnotherAnon
    @WorkingClass

    "Any of Y’all still using face book?"

    Or Whatsapp, which gives all your phone contacts to FB.

    Or Instagram.

    Replies: @WorkingClass, @anon

    Or Amazon or Twitter. Come on Man. Confess!

  51. @The Alarmist
    It’s assumed and trumpeted by the MSM that Liz Cheney was dethroned for her “principled” criticism and opposition to Trump. The fact of the matter is that someone like her who can’t promote the party line can’t be trusted in a position mandated to enforce the party line. All the Sturm und Drang about Trump is a distraction.

    Let’s hope Presidential candidate DeSantis knows how to cut the legs out from under the five major MOG metropolii that delivered a Biden Presidency.

    Replies: @WorkingClass

    Liz is now leader of the Never Trumpers. Captian of the Titanic. Orange Man should start a Third Party. The Orange Party. Just to see the Republicans come in a distant third in national elections. What the hell. The Democrats are going to steal it anyway.

    I have the bumper sticker:
    ORANGE LIVES MATTER

    • Replies: @A123
    @WorkingClass

    Skin color centric thinking is very SJW/DNC.

    Given that the New MAGA GOP has ejected the swamp rats, they are the ones who need a new SJW color party. How about the Yellow Bellies? Given how much time former GOP #NeverTrumpers spend servicing Democrats, you might be able to come up with an accurate euphemism based on the color Blue plus something spherical, usually found in pairs....

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  52. @YetAnotherAnon
    @WorkingClass

    "Any of Y’all still using face book?"

    Or Whatsapp, which gives all your phone contacts to FB.

    Or Instagram.

    Replies: @WorkingClass, @anon

    Or Zoom, which phones home to Chinese servers.

  53. A123 says:
    @WorkingClass
    @The Alarmist

    Liz is now leader of the Never Trumpers. Captian of the Titanic. Orange Man should start a Third Party. The Orange Party. Just to see the Republicans come in a distant third in national elections. What the hell. The Democrats are going to steal it anyway.

    I have the bumper sticker:
    ORANGE LIVES MATTER

    Replies: @A123

    Skin color centric thinking is very SJW/DNC.

    Given that the New MAGA GOP has ejected the swamp rats, they are the ones who need a new SJW color party. How about the Yellow Bellies? Given how much time former GOP #NeverTrumpers spend servicing Democrats, you might be able to come up with an accurate euphemism based on the color Blue plus something spherical, usually found in pairs….

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @A123


    ... an accurate euphemism based on the color Blue plus something spherical, usually found in pairs….
     
    Is that a condition castrati can experience???

    Peace be unto you too.
    😇
  54. Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the world wide web, later recognized the horror of centralization, and is working with a team at MIT to try to undo the mess that grew out of his creation. The project is called “Solid.” If this succeeds, it might possibly enable conservatives to communicate with the country. Or, the country will simply ignore it, the way people ignored the Biden laptop story because it was not on Facebook and Twitter, and was otherwise hard for them to find. Good luck to him, but I am not optimistic.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  55. @A123
    @WorkingClass

    Skin color centric thinking is very SJW/DNC.

    Given that the New MAGA GOP has ejected the swamp rats, they are the ones who need a new SJW color party. How about the Yellow Bellies? Given how much time former GOP #NeverTrumpers spend servicing Democrats, you might be able to come up with an accurate euphemism based on the color Blue plus something spherical, usually found in pairs....

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    … an accurate euphemism based on the color Blue plus something spherical, usually found in pairs….

    Is that a condition castrati can experience???

    Peace be unto you too.
    😇

    • LOL: A123
  56. @rebel yell
    The striking difference on this graph is between men (+16) and women (-2). I'm sure the difference would be even greater if comparing uneducated white men and educated white women, a comparison we have seen on many of your graphs.
    Once upon a time men and women got married and held pretty much the same political views. Would we have seen such gender differences on all political issues in 1955?
    I am becoming more convinced that the current cultural revolution is a crusade of educated white women against dirty sweaty blue collar males.
    Toxic femininity is real.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Alexander Turok

    Certainly, political differences do predate 1955, in Weimar Germany for instance, women were far more likely to vote for parties closer to the churches than men:

    http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar6_Geary.htm

    You can also see a consistent pattern in terms of dialect, women are more likely to use “prestigious” varieties:

    Non-standard dialects are usually considered low-prestige, but in some situations dialects “stigmatized by the education system still enjoy a covert prestige among working-class men for the very reason that they are considered incorrect.” [snip] In studies of the speech patterns in British English, Peter Trudgill observed that more working class women spoke the standard dialect than men.[46] Farida Abu-Haidar performed a similar study in Baghdad of prestige in the Arabic language, after which she concluded that in Baghdadi Arabic, women are more conscious of prestige than are men.[47] Other areas in which this has been observed include New Zealand and Guangdong in China.[48][49] As explanation, Trudgill suggests that for men, there is covert prestige associated with speaking the working class dialect.[6] In fact, he observed men claiming to speak a less prestigious dialect than that which they actually spoke. According to this interpretation then, “women’s use of prestige features simply conforms to the ordinary sociolinguistic order, while men deviate from what is expected.”[50] Elizabeth Gordon, in her study of New Zealand, suggested instead that women used higher prestige forms because of the association of sexual immorality with lower-class women.[51] Whatever the cause, women across many cultures seem more likely than men to modify their speech towards the prestige dialect.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestige_(sociolinguistics)#Gender_and_covert_prestige

    Culture isn’t the whole story, I bet a lot of it is just women wanting to benefit from affirmative action. I’d be more inclined to condemn the culture-oriented anti-Trump women if Trump had actual accomplishments he could list. But if all he has is “I’m low-class just like you,” how can you condemn upper-class or wannabe upper-class people for not seeing the appeal?

  57. o/t

    I’m finding it hard to not shill for Israel when we get reactions like this

    • Replies: @216
    @216

    https://twitter.com/dinspov/status/1392533667730264064

    Tumblr was a mistake we need to post-facto delete.

    Trans-Twitter Communists must be deplatformed.

  58. @216
    o/t

    I'm finding it hard to not shill for Israel when we get reactions like this

    https://twitter.com/PIEDSMAZE/status/1392525907852763138

    Replies: @216

    Tumblr was a mistake we need to post-facto delete.

    Trans-Twitter Communists must be deplatformed.

  59. @brabantian
    The best take on Donald John Trump, I think, is that now as well as during his presidency, Trump was a horrifically blackmailed individual, a tragic figure who hung on in office, to do whatever he could, which was ultimately not much beyond being a historic game-changing symbol - Trump's symbolic role still fuelling the fanatic desire to cancel him

    Blackmail of Trump is said to have included not only threats of death, jail etc for himself and his family, but also something like threats of biological weapon attacks on one or more US cities, which Trump could avoid by playing along

    Blackmail explains items such as why Trump was unable to fire the utterly betraying Bill Barr as Attorney General despite Barr indulging obvious anti-Trump vote fraud. Trump's goofy, politically distracting actions now - '2024 candidate' etc - are likely also blackmailed behaviour, the price Trump pays for getting his 'legal problems' put on the back burner. Sad! Here's a meme from when Trump did the Syria strike in 2017
    https://i.ibb.co/wpJB4CW/Trump-help-me-they-will-kill-me.jpg

    Replies: @dfordoom, @MarkinLA

    “blackmail” doesn’t explain why Trump immediately started negotiating with himself on how he was going to keep the DACAs in the US. No, Trump showed DC early he was all bark and no bite. People keep saying “what could he have done” without asking when did he actually take a stand?

    He could have immediately ended DACA and forced Congress to come up with a solution instead of dithering if he wanted something done. He could have challenged stupid lower court decisions where they clearly had no authority to make those decisions.

    He could have held a press conference about what MUST be in his first budget bill so when he vetoed it people would know it wasn’t him keeping things from getting done but a Congress who thought the carried interest deduction was more important than building the wall. He allowed himself to be cowed into signing it with a whimper about next time probably in order to show “unity” for the next election (which Trump lost power in).

    We should cancel Trump for being the gutless narcissist he turned out to be. The problem is even as worthless as he turned out to be he may actually have more guts than the rest of the GOP leadership all put together. If DeSantis is for real or I could trust Cruz on globalist economic policies, I would say Trump had his chance and he blew it.

    • Thanks: Catdog
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @MarkinLA


    We should cancel Trump for being the gutless narcissist he turned out to be. The problem is even as worthless as he turned out to be he may actually have more guts than the rest of the GOP leadership all put together. If DeSantis is for real or I could trust Cruz on globalist economic policies, I would say Trump had his chance and he blew it.
     
    Very well stated. Trust the Italian or the Cuban. No more WASPy cuck types. Cubans cannot be blackmailed over race the way WASPs can.
  60. @V. K. Ovelund
    @prime noticer


    ... looks like those Lowest Unemployment Americans don’t support Trump after all he did for them.
     
    Heh. Well, it was worth a try. Again, and again, and again, and again, and ...

    That's all right, though, slugger. We'll get 'em next time!

    @DanHessinMD


    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it.
     
    Me, neither.

    @brabantian


    The best take on Donald John Trump, I think, is that now as well as during his presidency, Trump was a horrifically blackmailed individual....
     
    I don't know about that. He might very well have been blackmailed, but he was president. Excuses only go so far. It wasn't as though Trump had no weapons with which to fight back.

    Trump's chief problem is that America is no longer American. With the demographics of the age of Reagan, he'd have won reëlection by Reaganite proportions, and deservedly so.

    Trump was a fine president. He was a miracle, really, but it is unclear to me how to blame the election's theft on Attorney General Barr. Had you been attorney general of the United States, what would you have done?

    Meanwhile, let us remember that Trump conflicted with Barr's predecessor, too; and that Trump himself had chosen and installed both men. Blackmail, two attorneys general, ... at some point, the excuses begin to pile up. Trump was great, and I hope that he comes back; but he cannot be above all blame.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @MarkinLA

    I don’t think you can blame Trump for Sessions. Sessions after 30 years in DC still didn’t seem to know the slimy people slithering around him when he recused himself. He never stepped to expose what a joke these investigations were.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @216
    @MarkinLA

    Not many Republicans were willingly to say "so what if there was Russian collusion, if there was, then good".

    Trump ran away from the vague pro-Russia positions he campaigned on, and the GOP in congress is unwilling to leave the Cold War neocon mentality.

    Trump accepted annexation of the Golan, he could have recognized the annexation of Crimea.

  61. @A123
    @Charles Pewitt


    Jeff Sessions brought the Immigration Question and the National Question to the front of American politics and Sessions helped Trump win some Southern primary states in 2016 and the recusal business was Trump putting the blame on somebody else but Trump.
     
    The Special Prosecutor trap was laid by the Democrats, and Jeff "Refusal" Sessions delivered a brutal body blow to the American people by siding with the DNC. He was Trump's worst appointment. Someone totally unprepared to be Attorney General.

    I am not nescessarily saying that Sessions was a bad human being. Perhaps Sessions would have been a great nomination for Department Of Labor where he would have overseen H1/H2 visas. However, as a matter of objective fact, having a Recusing General instead of an AG was an unmitigated disaster.

    Imagine how much better it would have been if every wire tap request was seen by a Trump administration official. Allowing #NeverTrump Mueller and #NeverTrump Freeh to run amok was a catastrophic error, 100% the fault of Jeff "Recusal" Sessions. There is no rational way to shift the responsibility to any one else.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    Sessions having been a prosecutor in Alabama thought he had no other choice but to recuse himself. His problem was his naivety in thinking this was a legit investigation. He knew there was no THERE there and should have set a timeline or demanded to see where it was heading. Once it was obvious it was a wild goose chase he should have called a press conference put all the testimony out there and showed why it was all bunk and shut it down.

    • Agree: A123
  62. @Realist
    @dfordoom


    He consistently made terrible choices when it came to making appointments.
     
    He made appointments as he was supposed to...as a minion for the Deep State. Trump was a sham, he never had the intent to drain the swamp.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    I think he was like any older person who doesn’t understand that things have changed. He went to military school, and probably thought the military was still duty, honor, country. Recall him bragging about “my generals.” He didn’t understand that this wasn’t Ike’s military that structured his military academy, but a thoroughly converged progressive institution. Which he then proceeded to give an extra $50 billion to. The Dems didn’t fight him on that.

    I fault him more for looking with 1950s lenses at modern America. Whether he ever intended to drain the swamp, he did not order the dredges and tiles to do so.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @TomSchmidt


    I think he was like any older person who doesn’t understand that things have changed.
     
    I am older than Trump and that sure as hell is not the case with me.

    He went to military school, and probably thought the military was still duty, honor, country.
     
    That has not been the case since before he was born. The Vietnam war should have been an eye-opener for him...it sure as hell was for me I was drafted into that shit show, but I was clever enough to get out the service in short order. And in retrospect, the Korean war was also an eye-opener.

    Which he then proceeded to give an extra $50 billion to. The Dems didn’t fight him on that.

    I fault him more for looking with 1950s lenses at modern America. Whether he ever intended to drain the swamp, he did not order the dredges and tiles to do so.
     
    Exactly...as I said he is a minion for the Deep State. One of the most egregious things he didn't do was pardon Assange.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @dfordoom

  63. @DanHessinMD
    "Trump did nothing to protect other voices critical of the regime during the four years he had some power to do so. If he thought by refusing to take the fight to the social media syndicate he would be spared its banhammer, he was badly mistaken. More likely it was a consequence of his general unwillingness or inability to ever follow through on any his tough talk. "

    What power did he ever have to stop social media bans? I cannot think of any actual power he had to stop it. His bully pulpit was all he ever had.

    Most of the political parts of government that were putatively under him were in open insubordination from day one. Most elder statesman of his own party were against him: Bush Sr. and Jr, John McCain, Mitt Romney.

    Remember, even before the ban came down, his social media was interfered with on a daily basis for months and there was nothing he as president could do.

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @gent, @A123, @Catdog, @TomSchmidt

    Failure to protect privacy of users incurs a penalty of up to 20,000 under Federallaw, for each user. In the Cambridge Analytica data breach, 50,000,000 FB users had their privacy violated. Potential fine: $10trillion dollars (which used to be a lot of money.)

    This wasn’t a new law. All Trump had to do was insist that he would assess the fine against FB, ending it. That might have gotten him some leverage. Or he could have assessed it. FB wound up paying a fine of $6billion to settle the issue in the summer of 18 or 19.

    Hardball is only for the little guys who cannot fight back. Trump was used to having people roll over to his threats. He never faced people with the narcissism not to surrender or the resources to fight back.

  64. @MarkinLA
    @brabantian

    "blackmail" doesn't explain why Trump immediately started negotiating with himself on how he was going to keep the DACAs in the US. No, Trump showed DC early he was all bark and no bite. People keep saying "what could he have done" without asking when did he actually take a stand?

    He could have immediately ended DACA and forced Congress to come up with a solution instead of dithering if he wanted something done. He could have challenged stupid lower court decisions where they clearly had no authority to make those decisions.

    He could have held a press conference about what MUST be in his first budget bill so when he vetoed it people would know it wasn't him keeping things from getting done but a Congress who thought the carried interest deduction was more important than building the wall. He allowed himself to be cowed into signing it with a whimper about next time probably in order to show "unity" for the next election (which Trump lost power in).

    We should cancel Trump for being the gutless narcissist he turned out to be. The problem is even as worthless as he turned out to be he may actually have more guts than the rest of the GOP leadership all put together. If DeSantis is for real or I could trust Cruz on globalist economic policies, I would say Trump had his chance and he blew it.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    We should cancel Trump for being the gutless narcissist he turned out to be. The problem is even as worthless as he turned out to be he may actually have more guts than the rest of the GOP leadership all put together. If DeSantis is for real or I could trust Cruz on globalist economic policies, I would say Trump had his chance and he blew it.

    Very well stated. Trust the Italian or the Cuban. No more WASPy cuck types. Cubans cannot be blackmailed over race the way WASPs can.

  65. 216 says: • Website
    @MarkinLA
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I don't think you can blame Trump for Sessions. Sessions after 30 years in DC still didn't seem to know the slimy people slithering around him when he recused himself. He never stepped to expose what a joke these investigations were.

    Replies: @216

    Not many Republicans were willingly to say “so what if there was Russian collusion, if there was, then good”.

    Trump ran away from the vague pro-Russia positions he campaigned on, and the GOP in congress is unwilling to leave the Cold War neocon mentality.

    Trump accepted annexation of the Golan, he could have recognized the annexation of Crimea.

  66. @anon
    @WorkingClass

    I think the Party wanted Jeb to lose gracefully to Hillary, sorta like the way McCain lost to Obama. Trump upset that whole thing, and the Party leaders hated him for it. The Washington Generals must stay in their lane, and lose. Lose gracefully if possible, but lose!

    Trump showed that there is a path to daylight, if politicos have the balls to go there. The old donor-class reallllly don't like that. Maybe too much work to actually try to govern? Maybe they don't like letting Deplorables too close to real power? I dunno.

    But I do know the GOPe is currently entangled in conflict with younger politicians who saw Trump's win as a route to daylight. Dick Cheney's daughter is an example, she's gonna have a real primary opponent next year in Wyoming. Mittens Romney got booed pretty loud and hard at a Republican event in Utah very recently. I'm sure he'll get re-elected to the Senate as many times as he wants, but his negatives will continue to grow. Expect more retirements of old RINO's.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    But I do know the GOPe is currently entangled in conflict with younger politicians who saw Trump’s win as a route to daylight.

    When you have an inherently corrupt system in which politicians are openly bought and sold the problem is that within a decade or so your shiny new populist MAGA GOP will be just as corrupt as the current GOP.

    • Replies: @anon
    @dfordoom

    When you have an inherently corrupt system in which politicians are openly bought and sold the problem is that within a decade or so your shiny new populist MAGA GOP will be just as corrupt as the current GOP.

    Could be. What's your alternative? Got plan? Please share it with all of us.

    Thanks!

    Replies: @dfordoom

  67. @TomSchmidt
    @Realist

    I think he was like any older person who doesn't understand that things have changed. He went to military school, and probably thought the military was still duty, honor, country. Recall him bragging about "my generals." He didn't understand that this wasn't Ike's military that structured his military academy, but a thoroughly converged progressive institution. Which he then proceeded to give an extra $50 billion to. The Dems didn't fight him on that.

    I fault him more for looking with 1950s lenses at modern America. Whether he ever intended to drain the swamp, he did not order the dredges and tiles to do so.

    Replies: @Realist

    I think he was like any older person who doesn’t understand that things have changed.

    I am older than Trump and that sure as hell is not the case with me.

    He went to military school, and probably thought the military was still duty, honor, country.

    That has not been the case since before he was born. The Vietnam war should have been an eye-opener for him…it sure as hell was for me I was drafted into that shit show, but I was clever enough to get out the service in short order. And in retrospect, the Korean war was also an eye-opener.

    Which he then proceeded to give an extra $50 billion to. The Dems didn’t fight him on that.

    I fault him more for looking with 1950s lenses at modern America. Whether he ever intended to drain the swamp, he did not order the dredges and tiles to do so.

    Exactly…as I said he is a minion for the Deep State. One of the most egregious things he didn’t do was pardon Assange.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Realist

    I am older than Trump and that sure as hell is not the case with me.

    Not every older person is unable to view the world as it is, rather than as their outdated model of it tells them it is. Kant noticed the problem of seeing not reality but our model of reality. Some people never update their models. Good for you on seeking feedback to your own model.

    One of the most egregious things he didn’t do was pardon Assange.
    That would have been taking it to the DS, which neither you nor I expected after he rolled over and wet himself after the election. To me, even worse was not issuing a blanket pardon for anyone not involved in violence on 1/6. Those followers came to show their support for him; read Patrick Byrne's horrified realization that the rally wasn't for anything effective, but just a pep rally to cheer DJT up. They have no money and they're going to be crucified by the Federal State.

    That's just unforgivable. Leave aside attacking the other side by pardoning Assange: you have to defend your own troops. He failed in even doing that.

    Replies: @Realist

    , @dfordoom
    @Realist


    Exactly…as I said he is a minion for the Deep State. One of the most egregious things he didn’t do was pardon Assange.
     
    Agreed.
  68. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom
    @anon


    But I do know the GOPe is currently entangled in conflict with younger politicians who saw Trump’s win as a route to daylight.
     
    When you have an inherently corrupt system in which politicians are openly bought and sold the problem is that within a decade or so your shiny new populist MAGA GOP will be just as corrupt as the current GOP.

    Replies: @anon

    When you have an inherently corrupt system in which politicians are openly bought and sold the problem is that within a decade or so your shiny new populist MAGA GOP will be just as corrupt as the current GOP.

    Could be. What’s your alternative? Got plan? Please share it with all of us.

    Thanks!

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon



    When you have an inherently corrupt system in which politicians are openly bought and sold the problem is that within a decade or so your shiny new populist MAGA GOP will be just as corrupt as the current GOP.
     
    Could be. What’s your alternative? Got plan? Please share it with all of us.
     
    If you want to attack the corruption of the system the first thing that you need to do is ban political donations. Political donations are simply legalised bribery.

    There are other forms of legalised bribery that need to be addressed. When a retired politician is given a company directorship that is legalised bribery. When retired politicians are paid enormous speaking fees by industry groups, that's legalised bribery.

    Of course it's also true that when retired generals or members of the intelligence community are given sinecures with defence contractors, that's also legalised bribery.

    Replies: @A123

  69. @WorkingClass
    @Charles Pewitt

    ORANGE MAN FAT!!

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    ORANGE MAN FAT!!

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump refused to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump has been screaming like a mass immigration extremist about flooding the USA with mass legal immigration “in the largest numbers ever.”

    Mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration increases traffic congestion, spreads urban and suburban sprawl, increases housing costs, lowers wages, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, harms the environment and destroys cultural cohesion and cultural integrity.

    The GOP presidential primary contender in 2024 who calls for the immediate deportation of all illegal alien invaders and also calls for a complete and total halt to all legal immigration and who also calls for the forcible removal of all legal residents and visa holders will win the 2024 Republican Party presidential primary and that man or woman will win the White House.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @Charles Pewitt

    It sure seemed to me that Trump put more effort into trying to stop illegal immigration than any politician in the last 60 years!! He tried all kinds of ways to secure money for the wall and increasing border safety but was not only thwarted by all of the democrats but also half of the Republicans. What did you expect one man facing these swamp creatures to do? Just look at the catastrophe on the border with the left in charge now.

    , @WorkingClass
    @Charles Pewitt

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump......

    Your terms of endearment just strike me funny Charles. Fat, as a pejorative, is rather old fashioned. Like fat jokes which were once quite common. Red Skelton told fat jokes on national television.

    Red: Orange Man is so fat

    Audiance: HOW FAT IS HE?

    Red: Orange Man is so fat when he got on the merry go round he screwed it six feet into the ground.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

  70. @RoatanBill
    @DanHessinMD

    The big tech companies make their money from advertising. Advertising is professional lying.

    All push advertising should be outlawed; only pull advertising should be allowed. Any business can put up a web site and advertise their products or services.

    Trump should have gone after their source of revenue. Many people are tired of the big tech company's spying on them to figure out what they might be interested in and then popping up ads for products custom tailored via that spying. If push advertising were completely banned in the US, a huge part of the oligarchy would wither and die off.

    The dumbest thing Trump ever did was to use the social media platforms. He should have put up his own web site and never given an interview to any reporter. He should have spoken directly to the US population and via that vehicle gleaned what the average person considers important for him to work on.

    Replies: @Realist, @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    I like your unique definition of “advertising”. lol There has never been so much money put into backing up lying, or at least exaggeration, which is the cousin of lying.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    One of the other Ideas I had was that any push advertiser had to pay for equal time to his competition to state their negatives on the advertisers product or service; no positives of their product or service, just try to blow holes in the original advertiser's claims. Then that competitive advertiser had to reciprocate and pay for the original advertiser to comment, back and forth, back and forth until one of them just quit.

    At least that way, the potential purchasers of any product or service would get a competitive analysis and product quality should improve so that the competition couldn't blow a hole in the story, currently the lie, that advertisers tell.

    It's what product reviews from purchasers do now on internet sites. I think they're valuable.

    If a court can get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then why can't we get that from the advertisers that claim to be informing us?

    Replies: @anon

  71. Fat ass baby boomer whore Trump has been pushing to flood the USA with tens of millions of Asian Indians and extremely haughty Hindus.

    These Asian Indian Haughty Hindus are so haughty that they have foreigner SLAVES and these arrogant foreigner interlopers Hindus are infesting New Jersey and many many other states.

    Kamala Harris is a partial HAUGHTY HINDU of the worst sort I have ever seen and Trump and Biden and Kamala Harris have been plotting and scheming to cram tens of millions of Asian Indians and Haughty Hindus into the USA.

    Kamala Harris and Biden and Trump have crawled into bed with the CHEAP LABOR FACTION of the JEW/WASP Ruling Class and Trump and Biden and Harris want to completely and totally destroy cultural cohesion in the USA.

    Kamala Harris and Biden and Trump have weaponized the mass immigration invasion of the USA and they are attacking the European Christian ancestral core of the USA and the historic American nation.

    I hereby challenge Trump and Biden and Kamala Harris to a 4 hour debate on mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and multicultural mayhem and American national identity and globalization and anti-White attacks and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @Charles Pewitt

    Good point. Here in California, I remember how many restaurants in places like Frisco and other "tech" areas, were busted for using Asians illegally in the country and threatening them with deportation if they complained about their slave wages and status. Just how many ways can the establishment media and left lie to themselves about damage supporting illegal immigration does to the spirit of the U.S. and the illegal immigrants themselves?.

  72. @Charles Pewitt
    @WorkingClass

    ORANGE MAN FAT!!

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump refused to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump has been screaming like a mass immigration extremist about flooding the USA with mass legal immigration "in the largest numbers ever."

    Mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration increases traffic congestion, spreads urban and suburban sprawl, increases housing costs, lowers wages, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, harms the environment and destroys cultural cohesion and cultural integrity.

    The GOP presidential primary contender in 2024 who calls for the immediate deportation of all illegal alien invaders and also calls for a complete and total halt to all legal immigration and who also calls for the forcible removal of all legal residents and visa holders will win the 2024 Republican Party presidential primary and that man or woman will win the White House.

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich, @WorkingClass

    It sure seemed to me that Trump put more effort into trying to stop illegal immigration than any politician in the last 60 years!! He tried all kinds of ways to secure money for the wall and increasing border safety but was not only thwarted by all of the democrats but also half of the Republicans. What did you expect one man facing these swamp creatures to do? Just look at the catastrophe on the border with the left in charge now.

  73. @Charles Pewitt
    Fat ass baby boomer whore Trump has been pushing to flood the USA with tens of millions of Asian Indians and extremely haughty Hindus.

    These Asian Indian Haughty Hindus are so haughty that they have foreigner SLAVES and these arrogant foreigner interlopers Hindus are infesting New Jersey and many many other states.

    Kamala Harris is a partial HAUGHTY HINDU of the worst sort I have ever seen and Trump and Biden and Kamala Harris have been plotting and scheming to cram tens of millions of Asian Indians and Haughty Hindus into the USA.

    Kamala Harris and Biden and Trump have crawled into bed with the CHEAP LABOR FACTION of the JEW/WASP Ruling Class and Trump and Biden and Harris want to completely and totally destroy cultural cohesion in the USA.

    Kamala Harris and Biden and Trump have weaponized the mass immigration invasion of the USA and they are attacking the European Christian ancestral core of the USA and the historic American nation.

    I hereby challenge Trump and Biden and Kamala Harris to a 4 hour debate on mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and multicultural mayhem and American national identity and globalization and anti-White attacks and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1392621148555382785?s=20

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1392536951690047492?s=20

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    Good point. Here in California, I remember how many restaurants in places like Frisco and other “tech” areas, were busted for using Asians illegally in the country and threatening them with deportation if they complained about their slave wages and status. Just how many ways can the establishment media and left lie to themselves about damage supporting illegal immigration does to the spirit of the U.S. and the illegal immigrants themselves?.

  74. @Realist
    @TomSchmidt


    I think he was like any older person who doesn’t understand that things have changed.
     
    I am older than Trump and that sure as hell is not the case with me.

    He went to military school, and probably thought the military was still duty, honor, country.
     
    That has not been the case since before he was born. The Vietnam war should have been an eye-opener for him...it sure as hell was for me I was drafted into that shit show, but I was clever enough to get out the service in short order. And in retrospect, the Korean war was also an eye-opener.

    Which he then proceeded to give an extra $50 billion to. The Dems didn’t fight him on that.

    I fault him more for looking with 1950s lenses at modern America. Whether he ever intended to drain the swamp, he did not order the dredges and tiles to do so.
     
    Exactly...as I said he is a minion for the Deep State. One of the most egregious things he didn't do was pardon Assange.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @dfordoom

    I am older than Trump and that sure as hell is not the case with me.

    Not every older person is unable to view the world as it is, rather than as their outdated model of it tells them it is. Kant noticed the problem of seeing not reality but our model of reality. Some people never update their models. Good for you on seeking feedback to your own model.

    One of the most egregious things he didn’t do was pardon Assange.
    That would have been taking it to the DS, which neither you nor I expected after he rolled over and wet himself after the election. To me, even worse was not issuing a blanket pardon for anyone not involved in violence on 1/6. Those followers came to show their support for him; read Patrick Byrne’s horrified realization that the rally wasn’t for anything effective, but just a pep rally to cheer DJT up. They have no money and they’re going to be crucified by the Federal State.

    That’s just unforgivable. Leave aside attacking the other side by pardoning Assange: you have to defend your own troops. He failed in even doing that.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @TomSchmidt


    Some people never update their models. Good for you on seeking feedback to your own model.
     
    I am very curious by nature. My background is in science and I am a true believer in the scientific method.

    We agree on many things...where we disagree is on Trump's culpability. I believe he is a sham, was a member of the Deep State, and had no intention of draining the swamp.

    Replies: @A123

  75. @TomSchmidt
    @Realist

    I am older than Trump and that sure as hell is not the case with me.

    Not every older person is unable to view the world as it is, rather than as their outdated model of it tells them it is. Kant noticed the problem of seeing not reality but our model of reality. Some people never update their models. Good for you on seeking feedback to your own model.

    One of the most egregious things he didn’t do was pardon Assange.
    That would have been taking it to the DS, which neither you nor I expected after he rolled over and wet himself after the election. To me, even worse was not issuing a blanket pardon for anyone not involved in violence on 1/6. Those followers came to show their support for him; read Patrick Byrne's horrified realization that the rally wasn't for anything effective, but just a pep rally to cheer DJT up. They have no money and they're going to be crucified by the Federal State.

    That's just unforgivable. Leave aside attacking the other side by pardoning Assange: you have to defend your own troops. He failed in even doing that.

    Replies: @Realist

    Some people never update their models. Good for you on seeking feedback to your own model.

    I am very curious by nature. My background is in science and I am a true believer in the scientific method.

    We agree on many things…where we disagree is on Trump’s culpability. I believe he is a sham, was a member of the Deep State, and had no intention of draining the swamp.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Realist


    where we disagree is on Trump’s culpability. I believe he is a sham, was a member of the Deep State, and had no intention of draining the swamp.
     
    The problem with that view is that Trump & MAGA are objectively draining swamp things, like Liz Cheney. If he was a sham, he would not still be fighting against the Deep State now that he is out of office. Pretty much everyone concedes that he was sincere in his fight against overwhelming odds.

    Tactics and success rate can be argued. I believe he did fairly well considering that the Deep State [GOP(e) & DNC] refused to fund any MAGA priorities such as wall building. Politics it the Art of the Possible. The problem is tradeoffs:

    Trump had to make concessions to GOP(e) swamp senators to obtain confirmations. Does anyone think that Trump *chose* to appoint Mrs. Mitch McConnell, Elaine Chao? That was obviously a trade for other confirmations.

    Pushing China & India closer together would be a mistake, so he had to pick only one of:
        (A) China Trade Manipulation
        (B) India Work Visa Abuse
    Given the need for MAGA re-industrialization, Option A made sense. However, the lack of action on Option B disappointed many people.

    Also, there are many mistakes that Trump avoided. Low visibility makes them hard to see & appreciate.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Realist

  76. A123 says:
    @Realist
    @TomSchmidt


    Some people never update their models. Good for you on seeking feedback to your own model.
     
    I am very curious by nature. My background is in science and I am a true believer in the scientific method.

    We agree on many things...where we disagree is on Trump's culpability. I believe he is a sham, was a member of the Deep State, and had no intention of draining the swamp.

    Replies: @A123

    where we disagree is on Trump’s culpability. I believe he is a sham, was a member of the Deep State, and had no intention of draining the swamp.

    The problem with that view is that Trump & MAGA are objectively draining swamp things, like Liz Cheney. If he was a sham, he would not still be fighting against the Deep State now that he is out of office. Pretty much everyone concedes that he was sincere in his fight against overwhelming odds.

    Tactics and success rate can be argued. I believe he did fairly well considering that the Deep State [GOP(e) & DNC] refused to fund any MAGA priorities such as wall building. Politics it the Art of the Possible. The problem is tradeoffs:

    Trump had to make concessions to GOP(e) swamp senators to obtain confirmations. Does anyone think that Trump *chose* to appoint Mrs. Mitch McConnell, Elaine Chao? That was obviously a trade for other confirmations.

    Pushing China & India closer together would be a mistake, so he had to pick only one of:
        (A) China Trade Manipulation
        (B) India Work Visa Abuse
    Given the need for MAGA re-industrialization, Option A made sense. However, the lack of action on Option B disappointed many people.

    Also, there are many mistakes that Trump avoided. Low visibility makes them hard to see & appreciate.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Realist
    @A123


    Pretty much everyone concedes that he was sincere in his fight against overwhelming odds.
     
    That is a great reason to question his sincerity.

    The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

    Bertrand Russell ‘29

    The wise have always said the same things, and fools, who are the majority have always done just the opposite.

    Arthur Schopenhauer

    Replies: @A123

  77. @A123
    @Realist


    where we disagree is on Trump’s culpability. I believe he is a sham, was a member of the Deep State, and had no intention of draining the swamp.
     
    The problem with that view is that Trump & MAGA are objectively draining swamp things, like Liz Cheney. If he was a sham, he would not still be fighting against the Deep State now that he is out of office. Pretty much everyone concedes that he was sincere in his fight against overwhelming odds.

    Tactics and success rate can be argued. I believe he did fairly well considering that the Deep State [GOP(e) & DNC] refused to fund any MAGA priorities such as wall building. Politics it the Art of the Possible. The problem is tradeoffs:

    Trump had to make concessions to GOP(e) swamp senators to obtain confirmations. Does anyone think that Trump *chose* to appoint Mrs. Mitch McConnell, Elaine Chao? That was obviously a trade for other confirmations.

    Pushing China & India closer together would be a mistake, so he had to pick only one of:
        (A) China Trade Manipulation
        (B) India Work Visa Abuse
    Given the need for MAGA re-industrialization, Option A made sense. However, the lack of action on Option B disappointed many people.

    Also, there are many mistakes that Trump avoided. Low visibility makes them hard to see & appreciate.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Realist

    Pretty much everyone concedes that he was sincere in his fight against overwhelming odds.

    That is a great reason to question his sincerity.

    The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

    Bertrand Russell ‘29

    The wise have always said the same things, and fools, who are the majority have always done just the opposite.

    Arthur Schopenhauer

    • Replies: @A123
    @Realist

    The problem you face is that there is no rational reason to question Trump's sincerity.

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

    Winston Churchill, 1952
     

    https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/1600x900/2293591-Robert-A-Heinlein-Quote-Tilting-at-windmills-hurts-you-more-than.jpg

    Replies: @Realist

  78. @Realist
    @A123


    Pretty much everyone concedes that he was sincere in his fight against overwhelming odds.
     
    That is a great reason to question his sincerity.

    The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

    Bertrand Russell ‘29

    The wise have always said the same things, and fools, who are the majority have always done just the opposite.

    Arthur Schopenhauer

    Replies: @A123

    The problem you face is that there is no rational reason to question Trump’s sincerity.

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.

    Winston Churchill, 1952
     

    • Replies: @Realist
    @A123


    The problem you face is that there is no rational reason to question Trump’s sincerity.
     
    Says you...perhaps you don't know the meaning of rational. None of Trump's actions were rational when compared to his promises.

    Replies: @A123

  79. @Charles Pewitt
    @WorkingClass

    ORANGE MAN FAT!!

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump refused to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump has been screaming like a mass immigration extremist about flooding the USA with mass legal immigration "in the largest numbers ever."

    Mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration increases traffic congestion, spreads urban and suburban sprawl, increases housing costs, lowers wages, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, harms the environment and destroys cultural cohesion and cultural integrity.

    The GOP presidential primary contender in 2024 who calls for the immediate deportation of all illegal alien invaders and also calls for a complete and total halt to all legal immigration and who also calls for the forcible removal of all legal residents and visa holders will win the 2024 Republican Party presidential primary and that man or woman will win the White House.

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich, @WorkingClass

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump……

    Your terms of endearment just strike me funny Charles. Fat, as a pejorative, is rather old fashioned. Like fat jokes which were once quite common. Red Skelton told fat jokes on national television.

    Red: Orange Man is so fat

    Audiance: HOW FAT IS HE?

    Red: Orange Man is so fat when he got on the merry go round he screwed it six feet into the ground.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @WorkingClass

    Your terms of endearment just strike me funny Charles. Fat, as a pejorative, is rather old fashioned. Like fat jokes which were once quite common. Red Skelton told fat jokes on national television.

    It's supposed to be funny.

    I'll start to add cunt into the fat bit about Trump for more fun and merriment.

    Trump is a fat baby boomer cunt who could've deported every damn illegal alien invader in the USA with no problem but he refused to do so.

    If Trump started to deport the illegal alien invaders en masse and some cunt black robed puke federal judge tried to stop it, Trump could have said well that federal judge puke made his decision and now let him enforce it.

    Andrew Jackson defied the KRITARCH bastards and Trump could've also.

    I saw Trump three times and Trump looks like a retired NFL linebacker, but he ain't as lean as he once was; nor are most of the rest of us.

  80. Muttonhead Murray takes a page from Mulatto Bob Marley and he will STIR IT UP over the summer with a new book on innate racial differences and my advice to Murray is to avoid close quarter riotous mob combat with the little Black Lives Matter darlings.

    I saw Ziggy Marley in concert and he was pretty good.

    Blacks and Mestizos and Amerindians have lower average IQs than do Whites and northeastern Asians(Chinese, Japanese, Koreans…etc.)

    Trump never had the balls to state that the sweet spot for indiscriminate and wanton criminal violence is 85 IQ according to Mollynew and Blacks average about 85 IQ and that the reason Blacks and Mestizos and Amerindians score lower on scholastic tests is that they are on average of lower IQ than Whites and northeastern Asians.

    You want reality? IQ racial differences is reality.

    Stay Away From The Riotous Mobs, Murray!

  81. @WorkingClass
    @Charles Pewitt

    The fat baby boomer whore named Trump......

    Your terms of endearment just strike me funny Charles. Fat, as a pejorative, is rather old fashioned. Like fat jokes which were once quite common. Red Skelton told fat jokes on national television.

    Red: Orange Man is so fat

    Audiance: HOW FAT IS HE?

    Red: Orange Man is so fat when he got on the merry go round he screwed it six feet into the ground.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Your terms of endearment just strike me funny Charles. Fat, as a pejorative, is rather old fashioned. Like fat jokes which were once quite common. Red Skelton told fat jokes on national television.

    It’s supposed to be funny.

    I’ll start to add cunt into the fat bit about Trump for more fun and merriment.

    Trump is a fat baby boomer cunt who could’ve deported every damn illegal alien invader in the USA with no problem but he refused to do so.

    If Trump started to deport the illegal alien invaders en masse and some cunt black robed puke federal judge tried to stop it, Trump could have said well that federal judge puke made his decision and now let him enforce it.

    Andrew Jackson defied the KRITARCH bastards and Trump could’ve also.

    I saw Trump three times and Trump looks like a retired NFL linebacker, but he ain’t as lean as he once was; nor are most of the rest of us.

  82. I say:

    EXPLICIT WHITE IDENTITY POLITICS Is On The Way…in France and the USA and England and Italy and Australia and Canada and Germany and Spain and all other European Christian nations.

    White Identity Politics it’ll be for USA and the others will speak of True English and True German and the like.

  83. @DanHessinMD
    @Catdog

    That does not address what Trump could have done about bannings. Twitter and Facebook are quasi monopolies in their spaces. If you have all the establishment against you, you need them.

    Going from 80 million followers on Twitter to 1 million or 3 million followers on Parler or Gab is not a winning path. You don't win elections with with those kinds of numbers, nor change the narrative.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Jay Fink, @Curle

    Trump could have helped Parler or Gab grow significantly. Twitter would not have been pleased. From what I understand Trump was open to it but Jared Kushner advised him not to. I would have strongly preferred for Kushner not to have any influence whatsoever…on anything not just this.

  84. @A123
    @Realist

    The problem you face is that there is no rational reason to question Trump's sincerity.

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

    Winston Churchill, 1952
     

    https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/1600x900/2293591-Robert-A-Heinlein-Quote-Tilting-at-windmills-hurts-you-more-than.jpg

    Replies: @Realist

    The problem you face is that there is no rational reason to question Trump’s sincerity.

    Says you…perhaps you don’t know the meaning of rational. None of Trump’s actions were rational when compared to his promises.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Realist

    Given your pen name, an inability to grasp the meaning of "realistic" is surprising. The vast majority of Trump's actions were highly rational in terms of what was realistically achievable.

    20/20 hindsight, how many of his policy planks were rendered unachievable in the face of Deep Resistance?
    ____

    Look at it this way... If you promise to run a marathon. A mugger breaks your legs. You do not run the Marathon.... You Broke Your Promise. Should you be:

    • Butally punished and chastised for your oath breaking?
    • Given an accommodation based on what is realistically achievable based on factors outside your control?

    Now apply an equal standard to the Trump administration.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    Tequila often gave people the desire to tackle the impossible. It did not, however, make impossible possible — Darynda Jones

    Replies: @Realist

  85. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @RoatanBill

    I like your unique definition of "advertising". lol There has never been so much money put into backing up lying, or at least exaggeration, which is the cousin of lying.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

    One of the other Ideas I had was that any push advertiser had to pay for equal time to his competition to state their negatives on the advertisers product or service; no positives of their product or service, just try to blow holes in the original advertiser’s claims. Then that competitive advertiser had to reciprocate and pay for the original advertiser to comment, back and forth, back and forth until one of them just quit.

    At least that way, the potential purchasers of any product or service would get a competitive analysis and product quality should improve so that the competition couldn’t blow a hole in the story, currently the lie, that advertisers tell.

    It’s what product reviews from purchasers do now on internet sites. I think they’re valuable.

    If a court can get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then why can’t we get that from the advertisers that claim to be informing us?

    • Replies: @anon
    @RoatanBill

    If a court can get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then why can’t we get that from the advertisers that claim to be informing us?

    That's a really silly question.

    Who was Edward Bernays? Who was Walter Lippmann?

    lol.

  86. @Realist
    @A123


    The problem you face is that there is no rational reason to question Trump’s sincerity.
     
    Says you...perhaps you don't know the meaning of rational. None of Trump's actions were rational when compared to his promises.

    Replies: @A123

    Given your pen name, an inability to grasp the meaning of “realistic” is surprising. The vast majority of Trump’s actions were highly rational in terms of what was realistically achievable.

    20/20 hindsight, how many of his policy planks were rendered unachievable in the face of Deep Resistance?
    ____

    Look at it this way… If you promise to run a marathon. A mugger breaks your legs. You do not run the Marathon…. You Broke Your Promise. Should you be:

    • Butally punished and chastised for your oath breaking?
    • Given an accommodation based on what is realistically achievable based on factors outside your control?

    Now apply an equal standard to the Trump administration.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    Tequila often gave people the desire to tackle the impossible. It did not, however, make impossible possible — Darynda Jones

    • Replies: @Realist
    @A123

    WTF

    Replies: @A123

  87. @RoatanBill
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    One of the other Ideas I had was that any push advertiser had to pay for equal time to his competition to state their negatives on the advertisers product or service; no positives of their product or service, just try to blow holes in the original advertiser's claims. Then that competitive advertiser had to reciprocate and pay for the original advertiser to comment, back and forth, back and forth until one of them just quit.

    At least that way, the potential purchasers of any product or service would get a competitive analysis and product quality should improve so that the competition couldn't blow a hole in the story, currently the lie, that advertisers tell.

    It's what product reviews from purchasers do now on internet sites. I think they're valuable.

    If a court can get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then why can't we get that from the advertisers that claim to be informing us?

    Replies: @anon

    If a court can get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then why can’t we get that from the advertisers that claim to be informing us?

    That’s a really silly question.

    Who was Edward Bernays? Who was Walter Lippmann?

    lol.

  88. @A123
    @Realist

    Given your pen name, an inability to grasp the meaning of "realistic" is surprising. The vast majority of Trump's actions were highly rational in terms of what was realistically achievable.

    20/20 hindsight, how many of his policy planks were rendered unachievable in the face of Deep Resistance?
    ____

    Look at it this way... If you promise to run a marathon. A mugger breaks your legs. You do not run the Marathon.... You Broke Your Promise. Should you be:

    • Butally punished and chastised for your oath breaking?
    • Given an accommodation based on what is realistically achievable based on factors outside your control?

    Now apply an equal standard to the Trump administration.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    Tequila often gave people the desire to tackle the impossible. It did not, however, make impossible possible — Darynda Jones

    Replies: @Realist

    WTF

    • Replies: @A123
    @Realist

    ROTFL

  89. @Realist
    @TomSchmidt


    I think he was like any older person who doesn’t understand that things have changed.
     
    I am older than Trump and that sure as hell is not the case with me.

    He went to military school, and probably thought the military was still duty, honor, country.
     
    That has not been the case since before he was born. The Vietnam war should have been an eye-opener for him...it sure as hell was for me I was drafted into that shit show, but I was clever enough to get out the service in short order. And in retrospect, the Korean war was also an eye-opener.

    Which he then proceeded to give an extra $50 billion to. The Dems didn’t fight him on that.

    I fault him more for looking with 1950s lenses at modern America. Whether he ever intended to drain the swamp, he did not order the dredges and tiles to do so.
     
    Exactly...as I said he is a minion for the Deep State. One of the most egregious things he didn't do was pardon Assange.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @dfordoom

    Exactly…as I said he is a minion for the Deep State. One of the most egregious things he didn’t do was pardon Assange.

    Agreed.

    • Thanks: Realist
  90. @Realist
    @A123

    WTF

    Replies: @A123

    ROTFL

  91. @anon
    @dfordoom

    When you have an inherently corrupt system in which politicians are openly bought and sold the problem is that within a decade or so your shiny new populist MAGA GOP will be just as corrupt as the current GOP.

    Could be. What's your alternative? Got plan? Please share it with all of us.

    Thanks!

    Replies: @dfordoom

    When you have an inherently corrupt system in which politicians are openly bought and sold the problem is that within a decade or so your shiny new populist MAGA GOP will be just as corrupt as the current GOP.

    Could be. What’s your alternative? Got plan? Please share it with all of us.

    If you want to attack the corruption of the system the first thing that you need to do is ban political donations. Political donations are simply legalised bribery.

    There are other forms of legalised bribery that need to be addressed. When a retired politician is given a company directorship that is legalised bribery. When retired politicians are paid enormous speaking fees by industry groups, that’s legalised bribery.

    Of course it’s also true that when retired generals or members of the intelligence community are given sinecures with defence contractors, that’s also legalised bribery.

    • Replies: @A123
    @dfordoom


    If you want to attack the corruption of the system the first thing that you need to do is ban political donations. Political donations are simply legalised bribery.
     
    A plan needs steps you can take today to achieve something tomorrow.

    No one will say that MAGA Populism is perfect. However, they are taking incremental steps today (e.g. ejecting Liz Cheney) that will yield real (though small) gains tomorrow.
    ___

    Your policy plank (100% elimination of all donations) is a respectable desired end state.

    What is the plan to enact such a ban?

    With the exception of a few, very wealthy, self-funding candidates:
        • Every elected executive official relies on donations
        • Every elected legislative official relies on donations
        • Every appointed judicial official was selected & confirmed by elected donation takers.

    How are you going to over come the Deep State opposition?

    PEACE 😇

    https://youtu.be/owvMGw2AQ7U?t=335

    Replies: @dfordoom

  92. A123 says:
    @dfordoom
    @anon



    When you have an inherently corrupt system in which politicians are openly bought and sold the problem is that within a decade or so your shiny new populist MAGA GOP will be just as corrupt as the current GOP.
     
    Could be. What’s your alternative? Got plan? Please share it with all of us.
     
    If you want to attack the corruption of the system the first thing that you need to do is ban political donations. Political donations are simply legalised bribery.

    There are other forms of legalised bribery that need to be addressed. When a retired politician is given a company directorship that is legalised bribery. When retired politicians are paid enormous speaking fees by industry groups, that's legalised bribery.

    Of course it's also true that when retired generals or members of the intelligence community are given sinecures with defence contractors, that's also legalised bribery.

    Replies: @A123

    If you want to attack the corruption of the system the first thing that you need to do is ban political donations. Political donations are simply legalised bribery.

    A plan needs steps you can take today to achieve something tomorrow.

    No one will say that MAGA Populism is perfect. However, they are taking incremental steps today (e.g. ejecting Liz Cheney) that will yield real (though small) gains tomorrow.
    ___

    Your policy plank (100% elimination of all donations) is a respectable desired end state.

    What is the plan to enact such a ban?

    With the exception of a few, very wealthy, self-funding candidates:
        • Every elected executive official relies on donations
        • Every elected legislative official relies on donations
        • Every appointed judicial official was selected & confirmed by elected donation takers.

    How are you going to over come the Deep State opposition?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @A123


    Your policy plank (100% elimination of all donations) is a respectable desired end state.

    What is the plan to enact such a ban?
     
    The first step is to put the issue on the political agenda. Which Trump could have done, but he didn't. So before you even take the first step you have to recognise the futility of relying on Establishment politicians and political parties, and stop fantasising that you can change things merely by voting.

    Look at some of the successes achieved by the political dissidents of the 1950s and 1960s.

    Look back to the early days of LBJ's presidency. How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America's involvement in Vietnam? It seemed impossible. The first step was to put the issue on the political agenda. Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Get people thinking about the issue. Once people started to think about the issue many of them realised that the war really was a bad idea. Some of the more intelligent normies did in fact start wondering if the war was such a great idea.

    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.

    Replies: @A123, @anon, @V. K. Ovelund, @Curle

  93. @A123
    @dfordoom


    If you want to attack the corruption of the system the first thing that you need to do is ban political donations. Political donations are simply legalised bribery.
     
    A plan needs steps you can take today to achieve something tomorrow.

    No one will say that MAGA Populism is perfect. However, they are taking incremental steps today (e.g. ejecting Liz Cheney) that will yield real (though small) gains tomorrow.
    ___

    Your policy plank (100% elimination of all donations) is a respectable desired end state.

    What is the plan to enact such a ban?

    With the exception of a few, very wealthy, self-funding candidates:
        • Every elected executive official relies on donations
        • Every elected legislative official relies on donations
        • Every appointed judicial official was selected & confirmed by elected donation takers.

    How are you going to over come the Deep State opposition?

    PEACE 😇

    https://youtu.be/owvMGw2AQ7U?t=335

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Your policy plank (100% elimination of all donations) is a respectable desired end state.

    What is the plan to enact such a ban?

    The first step is to put the issue on the political agenda. Which Trump could have done, but he didn’t. So before you even take the first step you have to recognise the futility of relying on Establishment politicians and political parties, and stop fantasising that you can change things merely by voting.

    Look at some of the successes achieved by the political dissidents of the 1950s and 1960s.

    Look back to the early days of LBJ’s presidency. How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America’s involvement in Vietnam? It seemed impossible. The first step was to put the issue on the political agenda. Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Get people thinking about the issue. Once people started to think about the issue many of them realised that the war really was a bad idea. Some of the more intelligent normies did in fact start wondering if the war was such a great idea.

    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.

    • Replies: @A123
    @dfordoom


    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.
     
    Your movement is at a "vision capture" level that is less formative than MAGA. Trump has large numbers of people talking about immigration, visa, re-industrialization, etc.

    What you propose is exceedingly difficult. Your movement needs a:
    • Visionary & Charasmatic leader (like Trump), and
    • A breakthrough event giving attention & momentum (like the 2016 election)

    LBJ had Kennedy's assassination to add things to the freight train via "JFK would have....". That is not a national condition that can be reproduced.

    There used to be discussions about political donations as part of the Progressive agenda. It briefly surfaced around the time of the Citizens United decision, and was prompt steamrolled. If there is a charismatic leader for this issue, why did he not breakthrough after Citizens United? The moment of maximum opportunity for your movement is in the rear view mirror.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @anon
    @dfordoom

    The first step is to put the issue on the political agenda.

    Sure, because campaign finance reform has never, ever been an issue in the US political system over the last 50 - 60 years. (This is sarcasm, perhaps not visible from Australia.)

    Look at some of the successes achieved by the political dissidents of the 1950s and 1960s.

    You keep repeating that as if it means anything. 70 years ago the political landscape in the US was very different. Maybe you could try to analyze Occupy Wall Street and the TEA Party, since they both happened in the last 20 years? Did the TEA party get co-opted? Did Occupy perform some theatrical purpose? Did the Citizens United decision by the US Supreme Court change the political finance landscape in any way?

    C'mon, man, try to get up to speed on the Current Year. The 20th century is history book stuff. Museum exhibits.

    Look back to the early days of LBJ’s presidency.

    Over 55 years ago. Before the majority of US voters were born. In a different country with different demographics, that's your model.

    How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America’s involvement in Vietnam? It seemed impossible. The first step was to put the issue on the political agenda. Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Get people thinking about the issue.

    The fact that the USSR and its Warsaw Pact allies spent quite a lot of resources on this, is that relevant to you? Foreign funding of political movements is always a factor. In the Current Year it comes from a variety of sources, but a lot of foreign support is for the Woke.

    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.

    There's a lot of talk. There's not much thought. And the US is not even close to the country it was fifty-five years ago.

    So...you got nothing beyond fond memories of bygone days. Pretty much as expected.

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom


    Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea.
     
    I am still unaware that the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Some people (like me) believe that Vietnam was one of the few wars in U.S. history that was probably a good idea.

    It is a vain point of the vanished history of a vanishing country, so it hardly matters now; but as a purely historical matter your premise can be disputed.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Curle
    @dfordoom

    “ How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America’s involvement in Vietnam?”

    Don’t you mean “how on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of the draft?” And even more precisely, a draft that scoops up working class AND MIDDLE class kids? I’m not convinced there’d be any more resistance if it was only working class kids getting killed. Guess what? Military planners have solved that problem.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  94. @dfordoom
    @A123


    Your policy plank (100% elimination of all donations) is a respectable desired end state.

    What is the plan to enact such a ban?
     
    The first step is to put the issue on the political agenda. Which Trump could have done, but he didn't. So before you even take the first step you have to recognise the futility of relying on Establishment politicians and political parties, and stop fantasising that you can change things merely by voting.

    Look at some of the successes achieved by the political dissidents of the 1950s and 1960s.

    Look back to the early days of LBJ's presidency. How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America's involvement in Vietnam? It seemed impossible. The first step was to put the issue on the political agenda. Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Get people thinking about the issue. Once people started to think about the issue many of them realised that the war really was a bad idea. Some of the more intelligent normies did in fact start wondering if the war was such a great idea.

    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.

    Replies: @A123, @anon, @V. K. Ovelund, @Curle

    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.

    Your movement is at a “vision capture” level that is less formative than MAGA. Trump has large numbers of people talking about immigration, visa, re-industrialization, etc.

    What you propose is exceedingly difficult. Your movement needs a:
    • Visionary & Charasmatic leader (like Trump), and
    • A breakthrough event giving attention & momentum (like the 2016 election)

    LBJ had Kennedy’s assassination to add things to the freight train via “JFK would have….”. That is not a national condition that can be reproduced.

    There used to be discussions about political donations as part of the Progressive agenda. It briefly surfaced around the time of the Citizens United decision, and was prompt steamrolled. If there is a charismatic leader for this issue, why did he not breakthrough after Citizens United? The moment of maximum opportunity for your movement is in the rear view mirror.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @A123


    What you propose is exceedingly difficult. Your movement needs a:
    • Visionary & Charasmatic leader (like Trump), and
    • A breakthrough event giving attention & momentum (like the 2016 election)
     
    Both of those things existed in 2016. What you're saying is that there's no chance of fixing the electoral system due to Trump's failure to put the issue of cleaning up the electoral system onto the political agenda. I agree with that. A great historical opportunity was lost because Trump was either too stupid or too cynical to do the right thing.

    Just as there's no hope of bringing the media/social media oligarchs under control because Trump's election was the only opportunity that was ever going to arise to tackle that issue. And Trump was either too stupid or too cynical to do the right thing.

    There's no way that anything can be achieved on any of the issues that matter until the swamp is drained. The swamp cannot be drained without breaking the power of the donors and breaking the power of the media/social media oligarchs. Trump did nothing to even begin the process of draining the swamp. Thanks to Trump the system is just as corrupt today as it was before he took office in 2016.
  95. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom
    @A123


    Your policy plank (100% elimination of all donations) is a respectable desired end state.

    What is the plan to enact such a ban?
     
    The first step is to put the issue on the political agenda. Which Trump could have done, but he didn't. So before you even take the first step you have to recognise the futility of relying on Establishment politicians and political parties, and stop fantasising that you can change things merely by voting.

    Look at some of the successes achieved by the political dissidents of the 1950s and 1960s.

    Look back to the early days of LBJ's presidency. How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America's involvement in Vietnam? It seemed impossible. The first step was to put the issue on the political agenda. Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Get people thinking about the issue. Once people started to think about the issue many of them realised that the war really was a bad idea. Some of the more intelligent normies did in fact start wondering if the war was such a great idea.

    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.

    Replies: @A123, @anon, @V. K. Ovelund, @Curle

    The first step is to put the issue on the political agenda.

    Sure, because campaign finance reform has never, ever been an issue in the US political system over the last 50 – 60 years. (This is sarcasm, perhaps not visible from Australia.)

    Look at some of the successes achieved by the political dissidents of the 1950s and 1960s.

    You keep repeating that as if it means anything. 70 years ago the political landscape in the US was very different. Maybe you could try to analyze Occupy Wall Street and the TEA Party, since they both happened in the last 20 years? Did the TEA party get co-opted? Did Occupy perform some theatrical purpose? Did the Citizens United decision by the US Supreme Court change the political finance landscape in any way?

    C’mon, man, try to get up to speed on the Current Year. The 20th century is history book stuff. Museum exhibits.

    Look back to the early days of LBJ’s presidency.

    Over 55 years ago. Before the majority of US voters were born. In a different country with different demographics, that’s your model.

    How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America’s involvement in Vietnam? It seemed impossible. The first step was to put the issue on the political agenda. Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Get people thinking about the issue.

    The fact that the USSR and its Warsaw Pact allies spent quite a lot of resources on this, is that relevant to you? Foreign funding of political movements is always a factor. In the Current Year it comes from a variety of sources, but a lot of foreign support is for the Woke.

    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.

    There’s a lot of talk. There’s not much thought. And the US is not even close to the country it was fifty-five years ago.

    So…you got nothing beyond fond memories of bygone days. Pretty much as expected.

  96. @dfordoom
    @A123


    Your policy plank (100% elimination of all donations) is a respectable desired end state.

    What is the plan to enact such a ban?
     
    The first step is to put the issue on the political agenda. Which Trump could have done, but he didn't. So before you even take the first step you have to recognise the futility of relying on Establishment politicians and political parties, and stop fantasising that you can change things merely by voting.

    Look at some of the successes achieved by the political dissidents of the 1950s and 1960s.

    Look back to the early days of LBJ's presidency. How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America's involvement in Vietnam? It seemed impossible. The first step was to put the issue on the political agenda. Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Get people thinking about the issue. Once people started to think about the issue many of them realised that the war really was a bad idea. Some of the more intelligent normies did in fact start wondering if the war was such a great idea.

    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.

    Replies: @A123, @anon, @V. K. Ovelund, @Curle

    Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea.

    I am still unaware that the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Some people (like me) believe that Vietnam was one of the few wars in U.S. history that was probably a good idea.

    It is a vain point of the vanished history of a vanishing country, so it hardly matters now; but as a purely historical matter your premise can be disputed.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund



    Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea.
     
    I am still unaware that the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Some people (like me) believe that Vietnam was one of the few wars in U.S. history that was probably a good idea.
     
    It doesn't matter whether it was a good idea or a bad idea. The point is that it was an example of a successful campaign to change the political landscape.

    Replies: @anon

  97. @A123
    @dfordoom


    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.
     
    Your movement is at a "vision capture" level that is less formative than MAGA. Trump has large numbers of people talking about immigration, visa, re-industrialization, etc.

    What you propose is exceedingly difficult. Your movement needs a:
    • Visionary & Charasmatic leader (like Trump), and
    • A breakthrough event giving attention & momentum (like the 2016 election)

    LBJ had Kennedy's assassination to add things to the freight train via "JFK would have....". That is not a national condition that can be reproduced.

    There used to be discussions about political donations as part of the Progressive agenda. It briefly surfaced around the time of the Citizens United decision, and was prompt steamrolled. If there is a charismatic leader for this issue, why did he not breakthrough after Citizens United? The moment of maximum opportunity for your movement is in the rear view mirror.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @dfordoom

    What you propose is exceedingly difficult. Your movement needs a:
    • Visionary & Charasmatic leader (like Trump), and
    • A breakthrough event giving attention & momentum (like the 2016 election)

    Both of those things existed in 2016. What you’re saying is that there’s no chance of fixing the electoral system due to Trump’s failure to put the issue of cleaning up the electoral system onto the political agenda. I agree with that. A great historical opportunity was lost because Trump was either too stupid or too cynical to do the right thing.

    Just as there’s no hope of bringing the media/social media oligarchs under control because Trump’s election was the only opportunity that was ever going to arise to tackle that issue. And Trump was either too stupid or too cynical to do the right thing.

    There’s no way that anything can be achieved on any of the issues that matter until the swamp is drained. The swamp cannot be drained without breaking the power of the donors and breaking the power of the media/social media oligarchs. Trump did nothing to even begin the process of draining the swamp. Thanks to Trump the system is just as corrupt today as it was before he took office in 2016.

  98. @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom


    Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea.
     
    I am still unaware that the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Some people (like me) believe that Vietnam was one of the few wars in U.S. history that was probably a good idea.

    It is a vain point of the vanished history of a vanishing country, so it hardly matters now; but as a purely historical matter your premise can be disputed.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea.

    I am still unaware that the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Some people (like me) believe that Vietnam was one of the few wars in U.S. history that was probably a good idea.

    It doesn’t matter whether it was a good idea or a bad idea. The point is that it was an example of a successful campaign to change the political landscape.

    • Replies: @anon
    @dfordoom

    The point is that it was an example of a successful campaign to change the political landscape.

    Fifty plus years ago. Got any more recent examples? Preferably without foreign bankroll?

    Curle
    Don’t you mean “how on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of the draft?”

    I checked. The US military draft was ended in early 1973 and protests rapidly dwindled after that.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  99. @Catdog
    @Charles Pewitt

    Right. Trump can't point the finger at Sessions for recussing when he himself didn't have the balls to pardon Flynne until it was too late to matter.

    Replies: @Curle

    Except the way it played out demonstrated much more than any speech or policy ever could the truth in Trump ally claims about the deep state.

  100. @DanHessinMD
    @Catdog

    That does not address what Trump could have done about bannings. Twitter and Facebook are quasi monopolies in their spaces. If you have all the establishment against you, you need them.

    Going from 80 million followers on Twitter to 1 million or 3 million followers on Parler or Gab is not a winning path. You don't win elections with with those kinds of numbers, nor change the narrative.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Jay Fink, @Curle

    But when you’ve already changed the narrative it might be time to let others pick up the mantle. In fact, might be preferable to do so.

  101. @dfordoom
    @A123


    Your policy plank (100% elimination of all donations) is a respectable desired end state.

    What is the plan to enact such a ban?
     
    The first step is to put the issue on the political agenda. Which Trump could have done, but he didn't. So before you even take the first step you have to recognise the futility of relying on Establishment politicians and political parties, and stop fantasising that you can change things merely by voting.

    Look at some of the successes achieved by the political dissidents of the 1950s and 1960s.

    Look back to the early days of LBJ's presidency. How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America's involvement in Vietnam? It seemed impossible. The first step was to put the issue on the political agenda. Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Get people thinking about the issue. Once people started to think about the issue many of them realised that the war really was a bad idea. Some of the more intelligent normies did in fact start wondering if the war was such a great idea.

    You have to build the momentum slowly but the first step is to get people talking and thinking about the issue.

    Replies: @A123, @anon, @V. K. Ovelund, @Curle

    “ How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America’s involvement in Vietnam?”

    Don’t you mean “how on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of the draft?” And even more precisely, a draft that scoops up working class AND MIDDLE class kids? I’m not convinced there’d be any more resistance if it was only working class kids getting killed. Guess what? Military planners have solved that problem.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Curle


    I’m not convinced there’d be any more resistance if it was only working class kids getting killed. Guess what? Military planners have solved that problem.
     
    There's some truth to that. Volunteer armies are evil because most people are happy to have wars as long as they don't have to fight themselves. With a volunteer army only those dumb enough to enlist get killed. So that's why we now have forever wars.
  102. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund



    Make people aware of the fact that maybe the Vietnam War was a bad idea.
     
    I am still unaware that the Vietnam War was a bad idea. Some people (like me) believe that Vietnam was one of the few wars in U.S. history that was probably a good idea.
     
    It doesn't matter whether it was a good idea or a bad idea. The point is that it was an example of a successful campaign to change the political landscape.

    Replies: @anon

    The point is that it was an example of a successful campaign to change the political landscape.

    Fifty plus years ago. Got any more recent examples? Preferably without foreign bankroll?

    Curle
    Don’t you mean “how on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of the draft?”

    I checked. The US military draft was ended in early 1973 and protests rapidly dwindled after that.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon


    I checked. The US military draft was ended in early 1973 and protests rapidly dwindled after that.
     
    Or, alternatively, the protests rapidly dwindled after that point because they had achieved their objectives - the U.S. was getting out of Vietnam.
  103. @Curle
    @dfordoom

    “ How on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of America’s involvement in Vietnam?”

    Don’t you mean “how on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of the draft?” And even more precisely, a draft that scoops up working class AND MIDDLE class kids? I’m not convinced there’d be any more resistance if it was only working class kids getting killed. Guess what? Military planners have solved that problem.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I’m not convinced there’d be any more resistance if it was only working class kids getting killed. Guess what? Military planners have solved that problem.

    There’s some truth to that. Volunteer armies are evil because most people are happy to have wars as long as they don’t have to fight themselves. With a volunteer army only those dumb enough to enlist get killed. So that’s why we now have forever wars.

  104. @anon
    @dfordoom

    The point is that it was an example of a successful campaign to change the political landscape.

    Fifty plus years ago. Got any more recent examples? Preferably without foreign bankroll?

    Curle
    Don’t you mean “how on earth would it be possible to stop the insanity of the draft?”

    I checked. The US military draft was ended in early 1973 and protests rapidly dwindled after that.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I checked. The US military draft was ended in early 1973 and protests rapidly dwindled after that.

    Or, alternatively, the protests rapidly dwindled after that point because they had achieved their objectives – the U.S. was getting out of Vietnam.

  105. @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1392316073064779781?s=20

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    Hutchinson was ALWAYS a USELESS RINO, worthless in terms of an opposition politician to the Republican party. I’m so sick of these ex rino numbskulls coming out from under their cushy retirement. Go find our entertainment elsewhere.

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