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A recurring theme here is that Jews in America are either going to have throw in with the Heritage American whites they’ve long despised–if Heritage America will have them–or face the brown invasion in isolation. Despite Jews’ best efforts, the POC ascendancy increasingly not only denies them claim to victim status, it views them as especially privileged whites. It’s not an unreasonable assessment, either. Whatever white privilege is, Jewish privilege is it cubed.

Due to high outmarriage rates and fertility below replacement, the 2% is on its way to becoming the 1% is on its way to becoming the 0.X%. The Islamic invasion is obviously bad for Jews, but the Hispanic deluge is bad for them, too. I’ve come across with a fair share of anecdotal evidence (((they))) may be waking up to the reality they face, but now we’ll present some quantitative confirmation of it. The following graph shows president Trump’s approval rating among white gentiles and Jews by age range. “Mixed feelings”, comprising less than 5% of all responses, are excluded:

Based Jews aren’t the rarity they used to be. Ruth Bader Ginsburg can rest in Gehenna knowing she is being replaced with this:

The modest differences among whites are remarkable. The age gap was much more pronounced during Dubya’s presidency than it is today. Among married whites, the younger the couple the stronger their support for Trump. He gets higher levels of support from married Zs and millennials than he does from married Xers and boomers.

Frustrating though his lack of progress has been, Trump is changing the face of the Republican electorate. As I’m fond of pointing out, he is a transitional figure rather than a transformative one. The cucks and neocons are self-important chiefs who find themselves with fewer and fewer indians with each passing day.

 
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  1. The US white numbers are all the more impressive considering the generational chasm in the UK.

  2. A note of caution, though, Trump has been one of the most zogged president in the postwar era, though arguably less than Dubya (who went along with his neo-Cohenist advisors for endless wars, Trump is showing more independence).

    Trump has still not done anything to go after antifa, even as they target his supporters and prominent conservatives like Tucker Carlson. He has done very little on immigration through executive actions – and he can do more than most people think.

    But Trump’s biggest failing is his consistent failure to reward his base: White people. He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low – to no avail. They won’t vote for him. Rust belt whites could do, and there he has been completely lacksidal.

    Imagine if the current opioid crisis was affecting inner-city blacks rather than rural Whites. He would be doing everything he could to prove “I’m not racist”. He isn’t even willing to go after the Sackler family or Big Pharma in a meaningful way. The opioid crisis is a core issue for his base, and he is not spending much time on it. Instead he is pursuing “prison reform” which essentially means letting out criminal non-whites. Jewish support for this kind of presidency is not worth much and we shouldn’t delude ourselves that it would keep rising if Trump actually explicitly rewarded his white base in a direct way that blacks and others rightfully expect democrats to reward them for voting for them.

    Overall, I share your assessment of Trump. He has been useful to opening a more radical conversation among whites, but I don’t view him as the catalyst, rather just the offspring of such a shift. We saw the true opening with Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, I think. But people stopped deluding themselves that libertarianism was viable and went for Trump.

    • Replies: @216

    Trump has still not done anything to go after antifa, even as they target his supporters and prominent conservatives like Tucker Carlson.
     
    In the aftermath of the "DisruptJ20" riots, the DC prosecutors charged a number of people with felony rioting. ADAs appear to have thrown some of the cases, and judges threw other cases out.

    Those of us inside the bubble have a tendency to underestimate the ferocious anger from the mainstrem against the Charlottesville riot. It didn't help that last year we had the BoomerBomber and the synagouge shooting as well.

    Going after antifa would allow the left to cast itself as victim and rebel.

    The various Dissident movements should be playing dead in public, not attracting attention.

    He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low – to no avail. They won’t vote for him.
     
    The GOP lost a lot of "white college moderates", pandering is designed to win these people back. White working class moderates might also be persuaded as part of a generalized economic appeal of higher wages.

    As long as electoral politics is functioning (I hold no illusions on its efficacy), its worth trying to peel off non-whites from the Dem coalition. On a global perspective, we are a small, despised and decadent minority. Some humility would go a long way.
    , @Tony
    The true opening was with Pat Buchanan in 92. Then again maybe it was Barry Goldwater in 64.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Good analysis.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    But Trump’s biggest failing is his consistent failure to reward his base: White people. He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low – to no avail. They won’t vote for him. Rust belt whites could do, and there he has been completely lacksidal.

    Agree emphatically. That goes a long way in articulating why I think he is transitional. He is providing a template that more savvy and more focused pols will be able to exploit with greater success--and better results.
  3. @Thulean Friend
    A note of caution, though, Trump has been one of the most zogged president in the postwar era, though arguably less than Dubya (who went along with his neo-Cohenist advisors for endless wars, Trump is showing more independence).

    Trump has still not done anything to go after antifa, even as they target his supporters and prominent conservatives like Tucker Carlson. He has done very little on immigration through executive actions - and he can do more than most people think.

    But Trump's biggest failing is his consistent failure to reward his base: White people. He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low - to no avail. They won't vote for him. Rust belt whites could do, and there he has been completely lacksidal.

    Imagine if the current opioid crisis was affecting inner-city blacks rather than rural Whites. He would be doing everything he could to prove "I'm not racist". He isn't even willing to go after the Sackler family or Big Pharma in a meaningful way. The opioid crisis is a core issue for his base, and he is not spending much time on it. Instead he is pursuing "prison reform" which essentially means letting out criminal non-whites. Jewish support for this kind of presidency is not worth much and we shouldn't delude ourselves that it would keep rising if Trump actually explicitly rewarded his white base in a direct way that blacks and others rightfully expect democrats to reward them for voting for them.

    Overall, I share your assessment of Trump. He has been useful to opening a more radical conversation among whites, but I don't view him as the catalyst, rather just the offspring of such a shift. We saw the true opening with Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, I think. But people stopped deluding themselves that libertarianism was viable and went for Trump.

    Trump has still not done anything to go after antifa, even as they target his supporters and prominent conservatives like Tucker Carlson.

    In the aftermath of the “DisruptJ20” riots, the DC prosecutors charged a number of people with felony rioting. ADAs appear to have thrown some of the cases, and judges threw other cases out.

    Those of us inside the bubble have a tendency to underestimate the ferocious anger from the mainstrem against the Charlottesville riot. It didn’t help that last year we had the BoomerBomber and the synagouge shooting as well.

    Going after antifa would allow the left to cast itself as victim and rebel.

    The various Dissident movements should be playing dead in public, not attracting attention.

    He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low – to no avail. They won’t vote for him.

    The GOP lost a lot of “white college moderates”, pandering is designed to win these people back. White working class moderates might also be persuaded as part of a generalized economic appeal of higher wages.

    As long as electoral politics is functioning (I hold no illusions on its efficacy), its worth trying to peel off non-whites from the Dem coalition. On a global perspective, we are a small, despised and decadent minority. Some humility would go a long way.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    Some humility would go a long way.
     
    The complaints of the various minorities are well founded. They have organized because they _cannot_ integrate into Enlightenment based industrial society. The last decade or so (or perhaps the last 50 years, since AD 1968 or so) have shown that industrial society cannot carry the load that the various minorities have become. Industrial society is living on debt and its infrastructure now.

    So: _You_ need a little humility. The Enlightenment is not the "End of History". The book _The End of History_ was actually so simple minded that it was painful to read, and the actual "End of History" we have today has proven so painful to live in that _everybody_ in the industrial world is revolting.

    The Postmodernists say that only by further handicapping Whites in general and White men in particular ("White" is their term, not mine) will the various minority groups be able to live in Enlightenment based industrial society, and the various minority groups agree. Attempting to grant further handicapping, or even maintaining current levels, will make industrial society impossible to maintain. To repeat myself, industrial society is living on debt and its infrastructure _now_. It has to repay its debt and renew its infrastructure or we will lose it.

    So: Be a bit humble. The system you live in and on is vanishing, and your only answer to that is saying "shut up and sit down". The argument that "You are all SOBs, everybody knows it, so shut up and sit down." is an insult followed by a command without authority. You clearly don't have answers for anybody, even yourself. Drop the cosmic all-knowing narrator pose. Be humble, and think rather than strut. You might even like it.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @Feryl
    Both parties abandoned the Rust Belt in the 1990's. Not only does the GOP not want to renege on their pandering to Big Ag. and the Sun Belt since the 80's, even most elite Dems aren't interested in restoring a broad middle class society with generous helpings of unionized manufacturing. Now granted, the proles outside of the Rust-Belt aren't getting much service either, but then, both parties have been losing more and more interest in proles with each passing decade.

    Trump in the 2016 primary and general election was able to essentially convert many Americans into Buchananites, amplified by Bernie's failure causing most mid-lower class whites to realize that the Dems didn't care about them.

    Forward to 2019; Trump has been using the Reaganite playbook thoroughly, focusing on crime and disorder, while not signalling a move away from supply-sideism. From time to time he remembers what got him elected and steps on the Pentagon's toes (the best part of his presidency bar none). On immigration he's done 1/10 of what he promised, or at least, implied. Some of that is due to lawfare, but not all of it (for one thing he's never been good at vocally criticizing high levels of "skilled" immigration, which is just a continuation of Reaganite immigration policies). On healthcare he stinks, and he's never really seemed to care that much about the issue either way during his presidency.

    You can't really blame Trump for the fact that Boomers and X-ers, in the mid-upper echelons of the respective coalitions which make up the true base of each party (media, entertainment, academia, and law for the Dems, agribusiness, energy, the military for the GOP), have become arrogantly elitist, entirely dismissive of America's middle class being shredded for 30 years. Elites (and near elites) are betraying us in order for them to get fatter and fatter. You wonder just how far they'll keep pushing their BS. In theory, in the near future their should be a major event that becomes the fulcrum on which the new beginning of our society rests. It could be a civil war, caused by insoluble differences between certain ethnic groups/political coalitions. It could be a foreign war, which would ideally be caused by a seriously threatening "actor" (not just another group of loosely organized Muslims turning Western tools and training against the West itself). It could also be a sobering economic crisis or "malaise" used to cause long lasting changes/reforms (like what FDR did in the 1930's after the Depression, or what Reagan and Clinton did in the 80's and 90's after the 70's "stagflation").

    Neil Howe says that poorly regarded presidents are often the victim of bad timing, as major problems don't assert themselves until 3-5 years into the presidency. See LBJ (Vietnam going sour), Nixon (Watergate), Carter ("malaise" and the hostage crisis), and both Bushes (early 90's recession, many things for Bush 2). Howe said a couple years ago that Trump ideally, like Reagan or Clinton, could've come into office during a time of low consumer and political confidence, and used that sentiment to enact significant reforms. But Trump's only major break from the past is reluctance to continue Pax Americana, which, actually, is something that Obama (!) started (Hilary had to constantly goad him into being more confrontational toward Iran et al, and Obama reportedly was against the Libya disaster from the get-go).
  4. @Thulean Friend
    A note of caution, though, Trump has been one of the most zogged president in the postwar era, though arguably less than Dubya (who went along with his neo-Cohenist advisors for endless wars, Trump is showing more independence).

    Trump has still not done anything to go after antifa, even as they target his supporters and prominent conservatives like Tucker Carlson. He has done very little on immigration through executive actions - and he can do more than most people think.

    But Trump's biggest failing is his consistent failure to reward his base: White people. He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low - to no avail. They won't vote for him. Rust belt whites could do, and there he has been completely lacksidal.

    Imagine if the current opioid crisis was affecting inner-city blacks rather than rural Whites. He would be doing everything he could to prove "I'm not racist". He isn't even willing to go after the Sackler family or Big Pharma in a meaningful way. The opioid crisis is a core issue for his base, and he is not spending much time on it. Instead he is pursuing "prison reform" which essentially means letting out criminal non-whites. Jewish support for this kind of presidency is not worth much and we shouldn't delude ourselves that it would keep rising if Trump actually explicitly rewarded his white base in a direct way that blacks and others rightfully expect democrats to reward them for voting for them.

    Overall, I share your assessment of Trump. He has been useful to opening a more radical conversation among whites, but I don't view him as the catalyst, rather just the offspring of such a shift. We saw the true opening with Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, I think. But people stopped deluding themselves that libertarianism was viable and went for Trump.

    The true opening was with Pat Buchanan in 92. Then again maybe it was Barry Goldwater in 64.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    The true opening was with Pat Buchanan in 92.
     
    You know you spelled Perot funny there?

    And did you forget Wallace?

    , @Bill
    Goldwater? Good grief.
  5. Jewish Privilege? There’s a phrase you’ll never encounter in the mass media. Having your fellow tribesmen own the mass media means never having to say you have privilege at all. “Mixed feelings”, comprising less than 5% of all responses, are excluded Wow, how can anyone’s feelings not be mixed, at best?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  6. Does it have something to do with the fact that younger Jews are massively more likely to be Orthodox?

  7. Following on from DFH’s remark above, it would be interesting to examine whether this is a demographic-replacement phenomenon or a changing-attitudes one. The liberal Jewish population in the US has a strongly negative population growth rate and a high intermarriage rate. At the same time the orthodox Jewish population is growing and does not have (I believe) as high an out-marriage rate. It could be that if you could divide up the population into those two components, look at their changing proportions across age categories and differing attitudes, it might explain all or most of this pattern. What proportion of this pattern is due to changing ratios of the two sub-population groups and what proportion is due to changing attitudes within either of the two sub-populations?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    You and DFH are both right.

    AE, look at a graph of Trump versus Hillary voting in Brooklyn, NY. You'll find a VERY red Trump region below Williamsburg. That's the heart of Hasidic country, and they voted BIGLY for Trump.

    Reform Jews are far below replacement. Orthodox Jews have about 3.3 children per woman. The Hasidim are about twice that. My guess is that a plurality, and soon a majority, of young Jews are Orthodox or more. Joe Lieberman will be the last major Orthodox Democrat.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    It would be interesting. The sample sizes aren't large enough for that, though. We're looking at about 50 orthodox Jews for each age cohort here.
  8. It has been a long time since Jewish vote had any significance. Jews are relatively so few that the graph is almost meaningless. And you know it.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Jews are relatively so few that the graph is almost meaningless. And you know it

    I think the point is that )))we((( will be better off if the % of Stephen Millers grows faster than the % of Ruth Bader Ginsburgs.

    Further, it's not the raw vote (((total))) that's important; it's the (((influenced))) raw vote total.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    The direct vote tallies are inconsequential, agreed. The only state Jews have any direct electoral significance in is Florida, and it's minor there.

    But they obviously have an enormously outsized influence on the zeitgeist.
    , @sondjata
    Perhaps, but the most important thing is they channel LOADS of finances into the Democratic party as well as holding significant policy positions in both parties. THAT's where the power lies.
  9. The graph.

    Globbing Whites, and globbing Jews along age, without consideration for class and gender pulled in the picture, means little.

    The Jew stances change, has started by WASP-elites, selling out to Jew money power. A Jew being a Jew, he will see opportunity into the “other” side. Of course that effect propagating into the younger generations first. It is a matter of base short-term opportunities, to bet both sides in politics. How will the Jew troll along his long-term instincts of in-group behavior? Probably by marrying into and mixing with the conservative side on the basis of Jew male and Gentile bride for the elites, and the middle class Jew soliciting that newer power group for opportunity.

    Changes are taking place, not to be interpreted in the suggested way.

  10. Due to high outmarriage rates and fertility below replacement, the 2% is on its way to becoming the 1%

    I see this as the opposite, outmarriage means that the jewish blood spreads to more people and thus more people are tainted by it. Being a quarter jew still makes you a jew (Lenin is a good example), so if anything the jewish population is growing.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Would you say the same about miscegenation among whites, that mudsharks are increasing the white population?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    That isn't to say you're incorrect. The flight from white means that whiteness is the 'recessive' racial identity in a cultural sense. Obama is viewed as black far more often than he's viewed as mixed, and he's never viewed as white.
    , @Marty T
    Well many of the educated whites over the next few generations will be "tainted" as you say. Because of intermarriage, Jews are really just becoming another white ethnic group mixture. In the area I live there are many Italian-Jewish and Irish-Jewish couples.

    The only pure Jews will be the Orthodox and Hasidic, who vote strongly Republican.
  11. @Thulean Friend
    A note of caution, though, Trump has been one of the most zogged president in the postwar era, though arguably less than Dubya (who went along with his neo-Cohenist advisors for endless wars, Trump is showing more independence).

    Trump has still not done anything to go after antifa, even as they target his supporters and prominent conservatives like Tucker Carlson. He has done very little on immigration through executive actions - and he can do more than most people think.

    But Trump's biggest failing is his consistent failure to reward his base: White people. He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low - to no avail. They won't vote for him. Rust belt whites could do, and there he has been completely lacksidal.

    Imagine if the current opioid crisis was affecting inner-city blacks rather than rural Whites. He would be doing everything he could to prove "I'm not racist". He isn't even willing to go after the Sackler family or Big Pharma in a meaningful way. The opioid crisis is a core issue for his base, and he is not spending much time on it. Instead he is pursuing "prison reform" which essentially means letting out criminal non-whites. Jewish support for this kind of presidency is not worth much and we shouldn't delude ourselves that it would keep rising if Trump actually explicitly rewarded his white base in a direct way that blacks and others rightfully expect democrats to reward them for voting for them.

    Overall, I share your assessment of Trump. He has been useful to opening a more radical conversation among whites, but I don't view him as the catalyst, rather just the offspring of such a shift. We saw the true opening with Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, I think. But people stopped deluding themselves that libertarianism was viable and went for Trump.

    Good analysis.

  12. @J
    It has been a long time since Jewish vote had any significance. Jews are relatively so few that the graph is almost meaningless. And you know it.

    Jews are relatively so few that the graph is almost meaningless. And you know it

    I think the point is that )))we((( will be better off if the % of Stephen Millers grows faster than the % of Ruth Bader Ginsburgs.

    Further, it’s not the raw vote (((total))) that’s important; it’s the (((influenced))) raw vote total.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @216
    Shifts in the Jewish vote are important in the key swing state of Florida.

    I imagine that being seen as "Anti-Semitic" is damaging with gentile moderates.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Further, it’s not the raw vote (((total))) that’s important; it’s the (((influenced))) raw vote total.
     
    Well, that's the question, isn't it. We can't assume that younger Jews becoming more sympathetic to our side means that young influential Jews are becoming more sympathetic to our side. Of course, we can't assume the opposite either.

    Well just have to wait and see. That said, this trend is heartening. Gentile Whites are fairly evenly divided. Jews - with their media influence - are the tie-breaker. Would be nice to have them on our side, even if just out self-interest.
  13. @iffen
    Jews are relatively so few that the graph is almost meaningless. And you know it

    I think the point is that )))we((( will be better off if the % of Stephen Millers grows faster than the % of Ruth Bader Ginsburgs.

    Further, it's not the raw vote (((total))) that's important; it's the (((influenced))) raw vote total.

    Shifts in the Jewish vote are important in the key swing state of Florida.

    I imagine that being seen as “Anti-Semitic” is damaging with gentile moderates.

    • Replies: @iffen
    I imagine that being seen as “Anti-Semitic” is damaging with gentile moderates.

    I think that you are correct. You didn't learn this here at the UR, did you?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Beat me to it!
    , @Marty T
    Pennsylvania is another state where the Jewish vote could be influential.
  14. @Peter Johnson
    Following on from DFH's remark above, it would be interesting to examine whether this is a demographic-replacement phenomenon or a changing-attitudes one. The liberal Jewish population in the US has a strongly negative population growth rate and a high intermarriage rate. At the same time the orthodox Jewish population is growing and does not have (I believe) as high an out-marriage rate. It could be that if you could divide up the population into those two components, look at their changing proportions across age categories and differing attitudes, it might explain all or most of this pattern. What proportion of this pattern is due to changing ratios of the two sub-population groups and what proportion is due to changing attitudes within either of the two sub-populations?

    You and DFH are both right.

    AE, look at a graph of Trump versus Hillary voting in Brooklyn, NY. You’ll find a VERY red Trump region below Williamsburg. That’s the heart of Hasidic country, and they voted BIGLY for Trump.

    Reform Jews are far below replacement. Orthodox Jews have about 3.3 children per woman. The Hasidim are about twice that. My guess is that a plurality, and soon a majority, of young Jews are Orthodox or more. Joe Lieberman will be the last major Orthodox Democrat.

  15. If one of Daddy’s grandmothers or great grandmothers was Jewish, and junior has never set foot inside of a synagogue, cares nothing for Israel nor Netanyahu, feels that Kwanza is just the black man’s Hanukkah (which he doesn’t observe, but exhanges gifts at Christmastime with his family), and generally lives and votes for the nearest white populist politician who promises him a better life free of unwanted immigrants, is junior still Jewish? (there are a lot of juniors in the US today).

    • Replies: @anon
    As long as they manage to be the gate keepers of access to education power finances foreign polices media , as long as they manage to remain the arbiter of what right what’s wrong, when its wrong, when same thing is not wrong but desirable , as long as they can get the people they want in defense pentagon treasury , in department that police the w world, it doesn’t matter if they forgot the intricacies of Shoat Holocaust Black Life matter or next wave of immigration or next country targeted for war in ME.
    As long as they are ones ,feeding the animals in the zoo, it doesn’t matter who they feed first or not .
    Because the zookeepers keep their method of secrecy power sharing and power granting to the group related to each other by common world views and also DNA

    They meet for policy planning in same Synagogue where the zoo animals are not allowed .
  16. Looking for the Jewish vote is meaningless; it’s the other influences they have that matters, and the clique controlling those levers of power don’t appear to be budging one inch.

    • Replies: @Bill
    Well, that clique is composed of senior citizens.
  17. “A recurring theme here is that Jews in America are either going to have throw in with the Heritage American whites they’ve long despised–if Heritage America will have them–or face the brown invasion in isolation.”

    A false premise on your part, AE.

    You also you have a knack for manipulating graphs. Use the EXACT numbers rather than fidget with the data to seemingly make a point.

    https://polling.reuters.com/#!response/CP3_2/type/oneshot/dates/20180301-20190107/collapsed/true

    We know Trump’s supporters are white. But what are the commonalities of this group regarding their socio-economic status, education levels, and their views on the federal government. In addition, what is the breakdown of that data according to gender–how many more men than women support Trump?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    You've been corrected on this before. Media reports of political poll findings NEVER report the full results because no one gives a shit about them. That's why you get "registered voters" or "likely voters". Otherwise you'd get poll results ahead of the general election showing Hillary with 28% and Trump with 26%. Do you complain about that?

    Well, this is similar, I'm considering people who actually have an opinion because it's more interesting. It's more manipulative to show support (or opposition) with "mixed" included, because it will make either one of those lower than they generally appear in media reports.
  18. The treasonous WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire must be dislodged from power and then sent into exile in sub–Saharan Africa.

    The WASP portion of the WASP/JEW ruling class — as represented by the scum in the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate — and the JEW portion — as represented by Charles Schumer — are a clear and present threat to the national security interests of the United States of America.

    I hereby accuse Charles Schumer of being a JEW NATIONALIST who puts the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States.

    Charles Schumer is an evil JEW who wants to erase the border between the United States and Mexico.

    Charles Schumer pushes mass legal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders.

    Charles Schumer wants to continue to use the US military as muscle to fight wars on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    US Senator Charles Schumer is a JEW NATIONALIST.

    Sam Francis wrote about nations within nations.

    This guy Charles Schumer says:

    “In Israel and America, the Jewish nation lives — now and forever”

  19. @216
    Shifts in the Jewish vote are important in the key swing state of Florida.

    I imagine that being seen as "Anti-Semitic" is damaging with gentile moderates.

    I imagine that being seen as “Anti-Semitic” is damaging with gentile moderates.

    I think that you are correct. You didn’t learn this here at the UR, did you?

  20. WASPs will not change their behaviour. JEWS will not change their behaviour.

    The WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire must be dislodged from power and sent into exile in sub-Saharan Africa.

    A contest of wills and a test of strength is coming, forced upon us by the evil and treasonous WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire. It is the English way. The English colonists had to fight the British Empire to win the Secessionry War — we’ll have to do the same.

    Only a few percent of Americans with English ancestry should be considered WASPs. Go by the Baltzell typology. I love most people of English ancestry, they’re great people — I just hate WASP scum like those in the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate.

    To defeat the evil and treasonous WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire we must go neo-Norman. The Normans knew how to handle Angles and Saxons who were stubborn and rude — they chopped their frigging heads off and took their women.

    William the Conqueror had Norman and Saxon blood and so do a lot of us with mid-Atlantic and Southern colonial American ancestry.

    The answer to 1984 is 1066.

  21. I find it amusing that Jews have no standing in the grievance coalition. But what difference does it make? They are still Jews. They and wealthy white Liberals are still the substance and power of the left.

    With the Democrats morphing into the Socialist Democrats and the GOP becoming the party of Trump where will the cheap labor lobby plant their flag? Do they really want to continue to import millions of Socialists? Has anybody told them that illegals are voting now?

    • Replies: @216
    Socialism is not an obstruction to cheap labor. Most Mexican governments, except for Fox and Calderon, described themselves as socialist.

    The system can buy people off for a lower cost than you might think.

    There are considerable numbers of foundations with endowments in the billions, along with university endowments. Lots of WokeCapital corporations "donating" money as well.

    So your local BLM affiliate gets a seven-figure grant from one of these "foundations", and voila, the revolutionary socialist is defused and redirected. If they don't comply, that grant isn't renewed.
  22. WOW!
    Amazing how just 300 words can rip one’s mind open.

    I am a voracious consumer of social statistics and corresponding political/sociological/economic/cultural milieus developed in books, blogs, etc., especially regarding Jewish influence on the milieus (e.g. Kevin MacDonald and E. Michael Jones). But, these numbers about replacement rates and Trump approval rates present a whole different picture of Jews and Euro-Americans.

    Jews, based on my readings, are a (THE) driving force of open borders and mass non-European immigration (e.g. the 1965 immigration reform act and current media and political influence on public opinion about borders and immigration e.g. Soros et al).

    And the implication is that (((they))) will benefit hugely from the displacement of a Euro American majority. Your 300 words and graphs have seriously challenged the implications to be drawn from the works of formidable and serious social scientific historians and scholars.

    What you made me realize (or better recall) is Class is a variable missing in the sociology of Jews visa vis the “OTHERS’. In short, Jews are rich and powerful (Alan Dershowitz in a speech to Jews admonished them to be proud of their influence on American culture … “We have earned the right to influence the culture”, he says). However, as Marx, cutting to the chase, observes … the history of of social evolution (economic, politics, culture, etc) is all about Class – class conflict is the driving force.

    If your analysis is correct, the Jews are creating their own class conflict. They are rich and the immigrants are poor. If Marx is correct, the Jews are in for a tough ride (as they have in the past, which they call anti-semiticism .. as E. M. Jones documents in profound detail, so called anti semitism is in fact class conflict; although he doesn’t call it that, he thinks of anti semitism in terms of culture wars).

    What I’m not sure about, if the conflict evolves between Jews and immigrants, what will the role of Euro Americans be (working class not the American Heritage crowd). Currently, they seem to be impotent. They elected Trump. But, it got them essential nothing. Are they a sleeping giant that will be aroused from their ‘dogmatic slumber’ a la the “Yellow Vest”? If Marx is correct, they will not meld with the Jews because, while they are a higher class than the Immigrants, they are a lower class than the Jews and they are Christians.

    At any rate Epigone:

    As they use to say in ‘Radio Days’: “Keep those cards and letters com’n folks”

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Thanks, that's kind and far too generous. Outmarriage (and dysgenic fertility, probably, on account of Hasidim) are having a detectable effect on Jewish intelligence as measured by the GSS via Wordsum.
  23. @WorkingClass
    I find it amusing that Jews have no standing in the grievance coalition. But what difference does it make? They are still Jews. They and wealthy white Liberals are still the substance and power of the left.

    With the Democrats morphing into the Socialist Democrats and the GOP becoming the party of Trump where will the cheap labor lobby plant their flag? Do they really want to continue to import millions of Socialists? Has anybody told them that illegals are voting now?

    Socialism is not an obstruction to cheap labor. Most Mexican governments, except for Fox and Calderon, described themselves as socialist.

    The system can buy people off for a lower cost than you might think.

    There are considerable numbers of foundations with endowments in the billions, along with university endowments. Lots of WokeCapital corporations “donating” money as well.

    So your local BLM affiliate gets a seven-figure grant from one of these “foundations”, and voila, the revolutionary socialist is defused and redirected. If they don’t comply, that grant isn’t renewed.

    • Agree: Bill
  24. The following graph shows president Trump’s approval rating among white gentiles and Jews by age range.

    Trump is closely connected to hardline Zionists (e.g. his son-in-law; Sheldon Adelson, one of his major donors; the US ambassador to Israel David Friedman, and probably many others) and has already fulfilled some of their dearest wishes like on the Jerusalem issue, any analysis that doesn’t take this into account isn’t very convincing.

    • Replies: @iffen
    any analysis that doesn’t take this into account isn’t very convincing.

    Which part of "most Trump supporters don't have Jews on the brain disease" do you not understand?
  25. @iffen
    Jews are relatively so few that the graph is almost meaningless. And you know it

    I think the point is that )))we((( will be better off if the % of Stephen Millers grows faster than the % of Ruth Bader Ginsburgs.

    Further, it's not the raw vote (((total))) that's important; it's the (((influenced))) raw vote total.

    Further, it’s not the raw vote (((total))) that’s important; it’s the (((influenced))) raw vote total.

    Well, that’s the question, isn’t it. We can’t assume that younger Jews becoming more sympathetic to our side means that young influential Jews are becoming more sympathetic to our side. Of course, we can’t assume the opposite either.

    Well just have to wait and see. That said, this trend is heartening. Gentile Whites are fairly evenly divided. Jews – with their media influence – are the tie-breaker. Would be nice to have them on our side, even if just out self-interest.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  26. Based on my acquaintances, intermarriage just means assortative mating. The politics stay the same, but you lose the differentiating label. I don’t know if that is good or bad, but I suspect it is bad.

    On the other hand, if there really is a genetic-political shift happening among Jews, then maybe they are just a leading indicator for whites. But, if so, it is bound to carry further. What will the other fertile subgroups of minorities be like? Probably not friendly.

  27. @German_reader

    The following graph shows president Trump’s approval rating among white gentiles and Jews by age range.
     
    Trump is closely connected to hardline Zionists (e.g. his son-in-law; Sheldon Adelson, one of his major donors; the US ambassador to Israel David Friedman, and probably many others) and has already fulfilled some of their dearest wishes like on the Jerusalem issue, any analysis that doesn't take this into account isn't very convincing.

    any analysis that doesn’t take this into account isn’t very convincing.

    Which part of “most Trump supporters don’t have Jews on the brain disease” do you not understand?

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Which part of “most Trump supporters don’t have Jews on the brain disease” do you not understand?
     
    This comment wasn't about Trump supporters in general, but about Jewish supporters of Trump (and btw, Audacious epigone obviously has Jews on the brain, otherwise he wouldn't have written that post).
    Audacious epigone claims there's convergence between Jews and white gentiles in the US because of immigration or other domestic US issues.
    But I don't see he's demonstrated that. Trump is the most extreme pro-Zionist president the US has ever had (not even Bush II went that far on the Jerusalem issue or Israeli settlements). Audacious epigone has no way of telling, why Jews support Trump (because of his immigration agenda? Or because of his extreme pro-Israel stance? How would things be if he took a more moderate position, e.g. like the elder Bush?), so his analysis strikes me as superficial.
    Not that I care much, in my opinion you're pretty much fucked in the US anyway, and Trump won't save you either.
  28. @iffen
    any analysis that doesn’t take this into account isn’t very convincing.

    Which part of "most Trump supporters don't have Jews on the brain disease" do you not understand?

    Which part of “most Trump supporters don’t have Jews on the brain disease” do you not understand?

    This comment wasn’t about Trump supporters in general, but about Jewish supporters of Trump (and btw, Audacious epigone obviously has Jews on the brain, otherwise he wouldn’t have written that post).
    Audacious epigone claims there’s convergence between Jews and white gentiles in the US because of immigration or other domestic US issues.
    But I don’t see he’s demonstrated that. Trump is the most extreme pro-Zionist president the US has ever had (not even Bush II went that far on the Jerusalem issue or Israeli settlements). Audacious epigone has no way of telling, why Jews support Trump (because of his immigration agenda? Or because of his extreme pro-Israel stance? How would things be if he took a more moderate position, e.g. like the elder Bush?), so his analysis strikes me as superficial.
    Not that I care much, in my opinion you’re pretty much fucked in the US anyway, and Trump won’t save you either.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Audacious epigone obviously has Jews on the brain, otherwise he wouldn’t have written that post).

    We’ll see. Just writing about Jews doesn’t qualify. Finding a JQ angle in every post might qualify.

    Audacious epigone has no way of telling, why Jews support Trump

    The graph shows that the younger the Jew, the more likely he is to support Trump. That’s a good thing.

    and Trump won’t save you either

    Maybe not, but he is a step in the right direction.

    FWIW, Trump got votes for supporting Israel. If he wasn't a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    Well, I agree with the last statement. As for US Jews, they remain confused, mostly liberal-lefty & stuck in progressivism:

    https://www.ajc.org/news/survey2018

    AJC 2018 Survey of American Jewish Opinion

    http://www.gbastrategies.com/the-2018-jewish-vote-election-night-survey/

    The 2018 Jewish vote election night survey


    The Trump presidency has led Jews to vote even more Democratic than at any time since we began our election night Jewish polling in 2010. For the past 8 years, we have seen a consistent bloc of 28-31 percent of Jews who vote for the Republican Congressional candidate, regardless of the political shifts impacting the broader American population during the turbulent elections of 2010, 2012, and 2016 when the political pendulum swung rapidly. But Trump, the rise of anti-Semitism, and the politics of the past two years have significantly altered the Jewish political landscape.
     
    Bigger question is why are there so many white Gentile leftist airheads...
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Do younger Jews care more about Israel than older Jews do?
    , @Stan d Mute

    you’re pretty much fucked in the US anyway, and Trump won’t save you either.
     
    Only the hopelessly optimistic among us and the evangelicals (but I repeat myself don’t I) would argue that point. Likewise however, you’ll soon enough be answering the muezzins call and your daughters joining harems so at least we’re all fucked together.
  29. @German_reader

    Which part of “most Trump supporters don’t have Jews on the brain disease” do you not understand?
     
    This comment wasn't about Trump supporters in general, but about Jewish supporters of Trump (and btw, Audacious epigone obviously has Jews on the brain, otherwise he wouldn't have written that post).
    Audacious epigone claims there's convergence between Jews and white gentiles in the US because of immigration or other domestic US issues.
    But I don't see he's demonstrated that. Trump is the most extreme pro-Zionist president the US has ever had (not even Bush II went that far on the Jerusalem issue or Israeli settlements). Audacious epigone has no way of telling, why Jews support Trump (because of his immigration agenda? Or because of his extreme pro-Israel stance? How would things be if he took a more moderate position, e.g. like the elder Bush?), so his analysis strikes me as superficial.
    Not that I care much, in my opinion you're pretty much fucked in the US anyway, and Trump won't save you either.

    Audacious epigone obviously has Jews on the brain, otherwise he wouldn’t have written that post).

    We’ll see. Just writing about Jews doesn’t qualify. Finding a JQ angle in every post might qualify.

    Audacious epigone has no way of telling, why Jews support Trump

    The graph shows that the younger the Jew, the more likely he is to support Trump. That’s a good thing.

    and Trump won’t save you either

    Maybe not, but he is a step in the right direction.

    FWIW, Trump got votes for supporting Israel. If he wasn’t a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    If he wasn’t a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.
     
    He's not just a supporter though (in the sense of "I'll guarantee Israel's security"), on the Jerusalem issue he's gone well beyond what any previous US president was willing to do; and some of the people he's appointed to positions of power are aligned with the more extreme sectors of the Israeli right, e.g. just look at his ambassador to Israel (who actually called somewhat more liberal Zionists "worse than kapos", lol):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Friedman#Nomination_for_U.S._Ambassador_to_Israel
    As I wrote above, Trump is the most pro-Zionist president ever. I don't know what that means for Audacious epigone's analysis, but imo it should at least be mentioned as a factor.
    Anyway, enough nit-picking from me.
    , @Stan d Mute

    FWIW, Trump got votes for supporting Israel. If he wasn’t a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.
     
    Votes schmotes, voting isn’t going to get us out of this.
  30. @German_reader

    Which part of “most Trump supporters don’t have Jews on the brain disease” do you not understand?
     
    This comment wasn't about Trump supporters in general, but about Jewish supporters of Trump (and btw, Audacious epigone obviously has Jews on the brain, otherwise he wouldn't have written that post).
    Audacious epigone claims there's convergence between Jews and white gentiles in the US because of immigration or other domestic US issues.
    But I don't see he's demonstrated that. Trump is the most extreme pro-Zionist president the US has ever had (not even Bush II went that far on the Jerusalem issue or Israeli settlements). Audacious epigone has no way of telling, why Jews support Trump (because of his immigration agenda? Or because of his extreme pro-Israel stance? How would things be if he took a more moderate position, e.g. like the elder Bush?), so his analysis strikes me as superficial.
    Not that I care much, in my opinion you're pretty much fucked in the US anyway, and Trump won't save you either.

    Well, I agree with the last statement. As for US Jews, they remain confused, mostly liberal-lefty & stuck in progressivism:

    https://www.ajc.org/news/survey2018

    AJC 2018 Survey of American Jewish Opinion

    http://www.gbastrategies.com/the-2018-jewish-vote-election-night-survey/

    The 2018 Jewish vote election night survey

    The Trump presidency has led Jews to vote even more Democratic than at any time since we began our election night Jewish polling in 2010. For the past 8 years, we have seen a consistent bloc of 28-31 percent of Jews who vote for the Republican Congressional candidate, regardless of the political shifts impacting the broader American population during the turbulent elections of 2010, 2012, and 2016 when the political pendulum swung rapidly. But Trump, the rise of anti-Semitism, and the politics of the past two years have significantly altered the Jewish political landscape.

    Bigger question is why are there so many white Gentile leftist airheads…

    • Replies: @iffen
    why are there so many white Gentile leftist airheads…


    I'll save the chorus some time.

    They are brain-washed by the evil Jewish controlled media. :)
  31. @iffen
    Audacious epigone obviously has Jews on the brain, otherwise he wouldn’t have written that post).

    We’ll see. Just writing about Jews doesn’t qualify. Finding a JQ angle in every post might qualify.

    Audacious epigone has no way of telling, why Jews support Trump

    The graph shows that the younger the Jew, the more likely he is to support Trump. That’s a good thing.

    and Trump won’t save you either

    Maybe not, but he is a step in the right direction.

    FWIW, Trump got votes for supporting Israel. If he wasn't a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.

    If he wasn’t a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.

    He’s not just a supporter though (in the sense of “I’ll guarantee Israel’s security”), on the Jerusalem issue he’s gone well beyond what any previous US president was willing to do; and some of the people he’s appointed to positions of power are aligned with the more extreme sectors of the Israeli right, e.g. just look at his ambassador to Israel (who actually called somewhat more liberal Zionists “worse than kapos”, lol):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Friedman#Nomination_for_U.S._Ambassador_to_Israel
    As I wrote above, Trump is the most pro-Zionist president ever. I don’t know what that means for Audacious epigone’s analysis, but imo it should at least be mentioned as a factor.
    Anyway, enough nit-picking from me.

    • Replies: @iffen
    but imo it should at least be mentioned as a factor.

    I see your point.

    Maybe we could have the graph overlaid with some measure of intensity of support for Israel and Zionism.
  32. @Bardon Kaldian
    Well, I agree with the last statement. As for US Jews, they remain confused, mostly liberal-lefty & stuck in progressivism:

    https://www.ajc.org/news/survey2018

    AJC 2018 Survey of American Jewish Opinion

    http://www.gbastrategies.com/the-2018-jewish-vote-election-night-survey/

    The 2018 Jewish vote election night survey


    The Trump presidency has led Jews to vote even more Democratic than at any time since we began our election night Jewish polling in 2010. For the past 8 years, we have seen a consistent bloc of 28-31 percent of Jews who vote for the Republican Congressional candidate, regardless of the political shifts impacting the broader American population during the turbulent elections of 2010, 2012, and 2016 when the political pendulum swung rapidly. But Trump, the rise of anti-Semitism, and the politics of the past two years have significantly altered the Jewish political landscape.
     
    Bigger question is why are there so many white Gentile leftist airheads...

    why are there so many white Gentile leftist airheads…

    I’ll save the chorus some time.

    They are brain-washed by the evil Jewish controlled media. 🙂

    • Replies: @216
    If right-wing Americans were force-fed the Forward...I shudder to think of the Tsar-level consequences that would follow.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    Western individuals (if they're "individuals" at all) have become so deranged I don't know what to say. Here's what happened not long ago here in Croatia (google translate, I'm too lazy to bother with grammar):

    https://www.vecernji.hr/premium/mazenje-poskoka-i-vabljenje-migranata-1278701

    In a pile of cool news this week, highlighted a bizarre episode that leads to rather dull conclusions about the stage of civilization in which we have already steeped in quite a bit. Namely, a young Dutch woman on Biokovo mountain resort was bitten by viper as she went to cuddle him. After a timely emergency intervention, the patient was on a visit to KBC Split Clinic for several days. Luckily, the snake was young and emergency aid was very fast, otherwise the meeting with reality would end with death.

    Why would someone go to embrace the terrifying and disgusting snake? The explanation lies in the distorted, Disneyesque image of the world in which there is no real evil and danger. Viper has always been what it is, the real cause of a short relationship with Biokovo's life-changing event is life in the world without responsibility, where everything is good, everything is cool, exciting and all you need is "love." The biggest life drama is a pimple or a kilogram of surplus. It is the world of Nietzsche's last man who blinks with his ordeal and hops across the ground.

    https://youtu.be/xjbtLhrfLy0

  33. @German_reader

    If he wasn’t a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.
     
    He's not just a supporter though (in the sense of "I'll guarantee Israel's security"), on the Jerusalem issue he's gone well beyond what any previous US president was willing to do; and some of the people he's appointed to positions of power are aligned with the more extreme sectors of the Israeli right, e.g. just look at his ambassador to Israel (who actually called somewhat more liberal Zionists "worse than kapos", lol):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Friedman#Nomination_for_U.S._Ambassador_to_Israel
    As I wrote above, Trump is the most pro-Zionist president ever. I don't know what that means for Audacious epigone's analysis, but imo it should at least be mentioned as a factor.
    Anyway, enough nit-picking from me.

    but imo it should at least be mentioned as a factor.

    I see your point.

    Maybe we could have the graph overlaid with some measure of intensity of support for Israel and Zionism.

  34. FWIW, Trump got votes for supporting Israel. If he wasn’t a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.

    Evangelical voters in the South, and other regions, are highly interested in things and doings in the Bible lands, that’s true. But even the evangelicals are getting tired of the endless war on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    Trump was playing to Adelson, the Israel Lobby, evangelicals, the war budget profiteers, Bible-thumpers AND voters who were fed up with all the endless, unnecessary foreign wars.

    Trumpy was all things to all people when it came to Israel, foreign wars and the voters desire to bring the troops home from imperial garrison duty.

    Trumpy was lucky that his GOP presidential primary opponents — except Mophead Paul — were warmongering idiots when the voters were looking for someone to end the foreign war nonsense.

    Trump got lucky again to face warmongering baby boomer globalizer Hillary Clinton in the presidential election. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War debacle cooked up by George W Bush and the Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the GOP.

    Trumpy is Jacksonian in the sense that he will conduct war only to protect and advance the best interests of the United States. Just like Andrew Jackson. Trumpy seems to understand that fighting wars on behalf of other nations has been disastrous for the United States.

    That frizzy-headed baby boomer fop Wally Russell Mead has been deliberately misusing the term Jacksonian in an attempt to keep the Neo-Conservative wars going. Trump must ignore the treasonous rats such as Wally Mead who do the bidding of foreign masters.

    Remember, baby boomer globalizer Wally Russell Mead was a big backer of the Iraq War debacle.

    • Replies: @sayless
    Charles Pewitt, Trump is a baby boomer too.
    , @Feryl
    The Christian Right is way past it's sell-by date. Gen X-ers and Millennials don't care about religion, period. Older generations based much of their identity on religious affiliation and ideology. Young(ish) people don't. Now ethnic ID, that's another story. For Jews and Muslims, "religious" ID is essentially a proxy for ethnic ID. White people under 50 don't generally have a strong religious ID, however, they do have a strong sense of being white as opposed to black or Asian or Arab....., being from the North or South (or East or West), having a rural or urban background, and the like. I've actually said before that Boomers don't feel very different from each other on measures of "ethnic" or regional ID. However, where Boomers tend to butt heads is on spiritual and cultural matters. Thus, being a fan of heavy metal, or jazz, or country means a lot to Boomers, as does which variant of Christianity you belong to.

    In other words, younger whites emphasize that which cannot be changed (the race/region/class from which you came), while Silent and Boomer whites emphasize that which you control (which form of religion and culture you think is best). This suggest, for one thing, that younger whites are comfortable being themselves, and aren't as interested in air-headed competitions about who worships the best God or who listens to the coolest music....Whereas whites born before the mid-60's still are annoyingly pre-occupied with cultural one-upmanship contests and nostalgia binges about "rock and roll"(hint: nobody from the younger generations gives a shit about Elvis swinging his hips, or John Lennon saying that he's bigger than God, when they came of age worrying about the disappearance of affordable housing.

  35. @iffen
    why are there so many white Gentile leftist airheads…


    I'll save the chorus some time.

    They are brain-washed by the evil Jewish controlled media. :)

    If right-wing Americans were force-fed the Forward…I shudder to think of the Tsar-level consequences that would follow.

  36. @iffen
    why are there so many white Gentile leftist airheads…


    I'll save the chorus some time.

    They are brain-washed by the evil Jewish controlled media. :)

    Western individuals (if they’re “individuals” at all) have become so deranged I don’t know what to say. Here’s what happened not long ago here in Croatia (google translate, I’m too lazy to bother with grammar):

    https://www.vecernji.hr/premium/mazenje-poskoka-i-vabljenje-migranata-1278701

    In a pile of cool news this week, highlighted a bizarre episode that leads to rather dull conclusions about the stage of civilization in which we have already steeped in quite a bit. Namely, a young Dutch woman on Biokovo mountain resort was bitten by viper as she went to cuddle him. After a timely emergency intervention, the patient was on a visit to KBC Split Clinic for several days. Luckily, the snake was young and emergency aid was very fast, otherwise the meeting with reality would end with death.

    Why would someone go to embrace the terrifying and disgusting snake? The explanation lies in the distorted, Disneyesque image of the world in which there is no real evil and danger. Viper has always been what it is, the real cause of a short relationship with Biokovo’s life-changing event is life in the world without responsibility, where everything is good, everything is cool, exciting and all you need is “love.” The biggest life drama is a pimple or a kilogram of surplus. It is the world of Nietzsche’s last man who blinks with his ordeal and hops across the ground.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    One of the best indicators of the general sickness of Western societies today is probably the increasing popularity of snakes as pets.
    iirc John Derbyshire's daughter once owned a pet python (Derbyshire mentioned that on Takimag years ago...I suggested he should have his daughter institutionalised, but sadly, he doesn't seem to have done so).
    And of course you often read about escaped snakes (that's also the origin of those Burmese pythons in the Everglades, which sometimes even swallow crocodiles; but iirc last summer there was also a panic about a giant snake in Poland), or owners who get bitten to death by their serpentine darlings.
    Unz review should commission some articles about this important and disturbing issue.
  37. The practicing Jews that I know (conservative Jews) are quite “right wing”. However they are also wild Zionists. Sure, they might be right wing but they’re also going to be the first to jump ship to Israel once the west collapses.

    The historical, non practicing liberal Jews are lunatic, communist, and anti-white (and also anti Israel).

    These people are all under 30.

  38. @Bardon Kaldian
    Western individuals (if they're "individuals" at all) have become so deranged I don't know what to say. Here's what happened not long ago here in Croatia (google translate, I'm too lazy to bother with grammar):

    https://www.vecernji.hr/premium/mazenje-poskoka-i-vabljenje-migranata-1278701

    In a pile of cool news this week, highlighted a bizarre episode that leads to rather dull conclusions about the stage of civilization in which we have already steeped in quite a bit. Namely, a young Dutch woman on Biokovo mountain resort was bitten by viper as she went to cuddle him. After a timely emergency intervention, the patient was on a visit to KBC Split Clinic for several days. Luckily, the snake was young and emergency aid was very fast, otherwise the meeting with reality would end with death.

    Why would someone go to embrace the terrifying and disgusting snake? The explanation lies in the distorted, Disneyesque image of the world in which there is no real evil and danger. Viper has always been what it is, the real cause of a short relationship with Biokovo's life-changing event is life in the world without responsibility, where everything is good, everything is cool, exciting and all you need is "love." The biggest life drama is a pimple or a kilogram of surplus. It is the world of Nietzsche's last man who blinks with his ordeal and hops across the ground.

    https://youtu.be/xjbtLhrfLy0

    One of the best indicators of the general sickness of Western societies today is probably the increasing popularity of snakes as pets.
    iirc John Derbyshire’s daughter once owned a pet python (Derbyshire mentioned that on Takimag years ago…I suggested he should have his daughter institutionalised, but sadly, he doesn’t seem to have done so).
    And of course you often read about escaped snakes (that’s also the origin of those Burmese pythons in the Everglades, which sometimes even swallow crocodiles; but iirc last summer there was also a panic about a giant snake in Poland), or owners who get bitten to death by their serpentine darlings.
    Unz review should commission some articles about this important and disturbing issue.

  39. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack
    If one of Daddy's grandmothers or great grandmothers was Jewish, and junior has never set foot inside of a synagogue, cares nothing for Israel nor Netanyahu, feels that Kwanza is just the black man's Hanukkah (which he doesn't observe, but exhanges gifts at Christmastime with his family), and generally lives and votes for the nearest white populist politician who promises him a better life free of unwanted immigrants, is junior still Jewish? (there are a lot of juniors in the US today).

    As long as they manage to be the gate keepers of access to education power finances foreign polices media , as long as they manage to remain the arbiter of what right what’s wrong, when its wrong, when same thing is not wrong but desirable , as long as they can get the people they want in defense pentagon treasury , in department that police the w world, it doesn’t matter if they forgot the intricacies of Shoat Holocaust Black Life matter or next wave of immigration or next country targeted for war in ME.
    As long as they are ones ,feeding the animals in the zoo, it doesn’t matter who they feed first or not .
    Because the zookeepers keep their method of secrecy power sharing and power granting to the group related to each other by common world views and also DNA

    They meet for policy planning in same Synagogue where the zoo animals are not allowed .

  40. o/t

    Trump shows why he is the master troll. She looks a lot worse here, almost like bullying.

    Rip this guy a new one, any straight white gentile male is a free fire zone.

    • Replies: @iffen
    After the election of Trump, the elections of AOC and Rashida Tlaib are the best election results we've had.
  41. @216
    o/t

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1084831165050249216

    Trump shows why he is the master troll. She looks a lot worse here, almost like bullying.

    https://twitter.com/MrCaase/status/1084831695872970752

    Rip this guy a new one, any straight white gentile male is a free fire zone.

    After the election of Trump, the elections of AOC and Rashida Tlaib are the best election results we’ve had.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @216
    Omar is also good for us, and far more disgusting, even than Ellison.


    Her anti-Christian attack has disappeared from public memory, but I don't recall any conservatives pointing out that it was blasphemous because she was also insulting an Islamic prophet. The Dissident Right can make a lot of hay out of claiming that "Judeo-Christian" is not as inclusive as "Abrahamic".

    There's something admirable about Muslim willingness to lash out whenever their religion and prophets are criticized. And we could turn it in our favor by claiming that all negative depictions of Jesus in popular culture are "blaspheming a shared prophet".
    , @Stan d Mute

    the elections of AOC and Rashida Tlaib are the best election results we’ve had.
     
    At risk of sounding like Mr Pewitt, I have to say I keep telling you guys. The HBD Mitten leads the Nation. We’re number one in negroes, number one in Arabs, top five in orientals (just count the Jap car companies here!), number one in working class whites voting for their own extermination, number one in golf courses (hadda throw that in for you Sailer fanboys), number one in boat registrations, number one in worst economy since surpassing Mississippi in ‘05 or so, and obviously Detriot is the future of America (or some kinda peninsular hybrid Detriot/Miasmi).

    Hail to the Victors, Go Brown! President Tlaib has a certain ring to it no?

    Anybody wanna buy some water? We got a couple lakes we can sell cheap..
  42. @iffen
    After the election of Trump, the elections of AOC and Rashida Tlaib are the best election results we've had.

    Omar is also good for us, and far more disgusting, even than Ellison.

    Her anti-Christian attack has disappeared from public memory, but I don’t recall any conservatives pointing out that it was blasphemous because she was also insulting an Islamic prophet. The Dissident Right can make a lot of hay out of claiming that “Judeo-Christian” is not as inclusive as “Abrahamic”.

    There’s something admirable about Muslim willingness to lash out whenever their religion and prophets are criticized. And we could turn it in our favor by claiming that all negative depictions of Jesus in popular culture are “blaspheming a shared prophet”.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @iffen
    With the gifts that we are receiving, it's almost like God is on our side again.

    I was really disappointed that Ellison didn't get the DNC chair.

    , @anon
    Bomb the Saudi royals to oblivion They are the Evangelical , post 1967 Vatican II , they are the Schofield Bible pushers fro Muslim now. They will destroy last resistance to Zionism- that is active Islam
  43. @216

    Trump has still not done anything to go after antifa, even as they target his supporters and prominent conservatives like Tucker Carlson.
     
    In the aftermath of the "DisruptJ20" riots, the DC prosecutors charged a number of people with felony rioting. ADAs appear to have thrown some of the cases, and judges threw other cases out.

    Those of us inside the bubble have a tendency to underestimate the ferocious anger from the mainstrem against the Charlottesville riot. It didn't help that last year we had the BoomerBomber and the synagouge shooting as well.

    Going after antifa would allow the left to cast itself as victim and rebel.

    The various Dissident movements should be playing dead in public, not attracting attention.

    He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low – to no avail. They won’t vote for him.
     
    The GOP lost a lot of "white college moderates", pandering is designed to win these people back. White working class moderates might also be persuaded as part of a generalized economic appeal of higher wages.

    As long as electoral politics is functioning (I hold no illusions on its efficacy), its worth trying to peel off non-whites from the Dem coalition. On a global perspective, we are a small, despised and decadent minority. Some humility would go a long way.

    Some humility would go a long way.

    The complaints of the various minorities are well founded. They have organized because they _cannot_ integrate into Enlightenment based industrial society. The last decade or so (or perhaps the last 50 years, since AD 1968 or so) have shown that industrial society cannot carry the load that the various minorities have become. Industrial society is living on debt and its infrastructure now.

    So: _You_ need a little humility. The Enlightenment is not the “End of History”. The book _The End of History_ was actually so simple minded that it was painful to read, and the actual “End of History” we have today has proven so painful to live in that _everybody_ in the industrial world is revolting.

    The Postmodernists say that only by further handicapping Whites in general and White men in particular (“White” is their term, not mine) will the various minority groups be able to live in Enlightenment based industrial society, and the various minority groups agree. Attempting to grant further handicapping, or even maintaining current levels, will make industrial society impossible to maintain. To repeat myself, industrial society is living on debt and its infrastructure _now_. It has to repay its debt and renew its infrastructure or we will lose it.

    So: Be a bit humble. The system you live in and on is vanishing, and your only answer to that is saying “shut up and sit down”. The argument that “You are all SOBs, everybody knows it, so shut up and sit down.” is an insult followed by a command without authority. You clearly don’t have answers for anybody, even yourself. Drop the cosmic all-knowing narrator pose. Be humble, and think rather than strut. You might even like it.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Agree: 216
    • Replies: @sayless
    Good posts from you, Counterinsurgency, thank you.

    (Watched that ‘50’s hope-destroying cartoon you linked a few days ago. It was depraved. I recollected watching it in the early sixties.)

    (Plato would have forbade it.)
    , @Stan d Mute

    “shut up and sit down”
     
    All true my friend, but I prefer “shut up and GTFO”

    Expulsion is the only true remedy. Anything less than that is putting a bandaid on a cut artery. Repatriation is the answer.
  44. @216
    Omar is also good for us, and far more disgusting, even than Ellison.


    Her anti-Christian attack has disappeared from public memory, but I don't recall any conservatives pointing out that it was blasphemous because she was also insulting an Islamic prophet. The Dissident Right can make a lot of hay out of claiming that "Judeo-Christian" is not as inclusive as "Abrahamic".

    There's something admirable about Muslim willingness to lash out whenever their religion and prophets are criticized. And we could turn it in our favor by claiming that all negative depictions of Jesus in popular culture are "blaspheming a shared prophet".

    With the gifts that we are receiving, it’s almost like God is on our side again.

    I was really disappointed that Ellison didn’t get the DNC chair.

  45. @Thulean Friend
    A note of caution, though, Trump has been one of the most zogged president in the postwar era, though arguably less than Dubya (who went along with his neo-Cohenist advisors for endless wars, Trump is showing more independence).

    Trump has still not done anything to go after antifa, even as they target his supporters and prominent conservatives like Tucker Carlson. He has done very little on immigration through executive actions - and he can do more than most people think.

    But Trump's biggest failing is his consistent failure to reward his base: White people. He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low - to no avail. They won't vote for him. Rust belt whites could do, and there he has been completely lacksidal.

    Imagine if the current opioid crisis was affecting inner-city blacks rather than rural Whites. He would be doing everything he could to prove "I'm not racist". He isn't even willing to go after the Sackler family or Big Pharma in a meaningful way. The opioid crisis is a core issue for his base, and he is not spending much time on it. Instead he is pursuing "prison reform" which essentially means letting out criminal non-whites. Jewish support for this kind of presidency is not worth much and we shouldn't delude ourselves that it would keep rising if Trump actually explicitly rewarded his white base in a direct way that blacks and others rightfully expect democrats to reward them for voting for them.

    Overall, I share your assessment of Trump. He has been useful to opening a more radical conversation among whites, but I don't view him as the catalyst, rather just the offspring of such a shift. We saw the true opening with Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, I think. But people stopped deluding themselves that libertarianism was viable and went for Trump.

    But Trump’s biggest failing is his consistent failure to reward his base: White people. He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low – to no avail. They won’t vote for him. Rust belt whites could do, and there he has been completely lacksidal.

    Agree emphatically. That goes a long way in articulating why I think he is transitional. He is providing a template that more savvy and more focused pols will be able to exploit with greater success–and better results.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    You’re sounding like a real optimist AE. Don’t you really know, in your heart of hearts, the pendulum has swung too far for any kind of democratic reprieve? That inevitably the pendulum will swing back too far in our direction and our salvation will come in the form of some American Pinochet? We have what? A hundred million aliens with zero cultural or genetic ties to our ten thousand year old civilizational history. That doesn’t get voted away. Either we collapse into chaos with nukes or our military effects a coup and averts the nuclear nightmare.

    You kids today keep forgetting what us Xers can never forget - too many years spent doing nuclear drills at school hiding under our desks as if that would help. Without a coup, the best we can hope for is the wisdom SA possessed in dismantling and destroying the arsenal before the savages take control.

    Alternatively, if you can afford it, emigrate to Chile or New Zealand.
  46. @DFH
    Does it have something to do with the fact that younger Jews are massively more likely to be Orthodox?
    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    Interesting, that's the first thing that crossed my mind when I looked at the data.

    What about interbreeding? If a significant number of younger 'Jews' are not of fully Jewish ancestry, might they be identifying with their European side?

    (Don't see a lot of Jews interbreeding with blacks).
  47. @Peter Johnson
    Following on from DFH's remark above, it would be interesting to examine whether this is a demographic-replacement phenomenon or a changing-attitudes one. The liberal Jewish population in the US has a strongly negative population growth rate and a high intermarriage rate. At the same time the orthodox Jewish population is growing and does not have (I believe) as high an out-marriage rate. It could be that if you could divide up the population into those two components, look at their changing proportions across age categories and differing attitudes, it might explain all or most of this pattern. What proportion of this pattern is due to changing ratios of the two sub-population groups and what proportion is due to changing attitudes within either of the two sub-populations?

    It would be interesting. The sample sizes aren’t large enough for that, though. We’re looking at about 50 orthodox Jews for each age cohort here.

  48. @J
    It has been a long time since Jewish vote had any significance. Jews are relatively so few that the graph is almost meaningless. And you know it.

    The direct vote tallies are inconsequential, agreed. The only state Jews have any direct electoral significance in is Florida, and it’s minor there.

    But they obviously have an enormously outsized influence on the zeitgeist.

  49. @neutral

    Due to high outmarriage rates and fertility below replacement, the 2% is on its way to becoming the 1%
     
    I see this as the opposite, outmarriage means that the jewish blood spreads to more people and thus more people are tainted by it. Being a quarter jew still makes you a jew (Lenin is a good example), so if anything the jewish population is growing.

    Would you say the same about miscegenation among whites, that mudsharks are increasing the white population?

    • Replies: @Fourier
    I would. Having more people part white is good for assimilation.
  50. @216
    Omar is also good for us, and far more disgusting, even than Ellison.


    Her anti-Christian attack has disappeared from public memory, but I don't recall any conservatives pointing out that it was blasphemous because she was also insulting an Islamic prophet. The Dissident Right can make a lot of hay out of claiming that "Judeo-Christian" is not as inclusive as "Abrahamic".

    There's something admirable about Muslim willingness to lash out whenever their religion and prophets are criticized. And we could turn it in our favor by claiming that all negative depictions of Jesus in popular culture are "blaspheming a shared prophet".

    Bomb the Saudi royals to oblivion They are the Evangelical , post 1967 Vatican II , they are the Schofield Bible pushers fro Muslim now. They will destroy last resistance to Zionism- that is active Islam

  51. @neutral

    Due to high outmarriage rates and fertility below replacement, the 2% is on its way to becoming the 1%
     
    I see this as the opposite, outmarriage means that the jewish blood spreads to more people and thus more people are tainted by it. Being a quarter jew still makes you a jew (Lenin is a good example), so if anything the jewish population is growing.

    That isn’t to say you’re incorrect. The flight from white means that whiteness is the ‘recessive’ racial identity in a cultural sense. Obama is viewed as black far more often than he’s viewed as mixed, and he’s never viewed as white.

    • Replies: @216
    Obama would have done himself a big favor by going duck hunting a few times with some rural white Dem congressmen. John Kerry embarassed himself with a similar incident, but the public would have been far more forgiving of "Black City Slickers".
  52. @216
    Shifts in the Jewish vote are important in the key swing state of Florida.

    I imagine that being seen as "Anti-Semitic" is damaging with gentile moderates.

    Beat me to it!

  53. @Corvinus
    "A recurring theme here is that Jews in America are either going to have throw in with the Heritage American whites they’ve long despised–if Heritage America will have them–or face the brown invasion in isolation."

    A false premise on your part, AE.

    You also you have a knack for manipulating graphs. Use the EXACT numbers rather than fidget with the data to seemingly make a point.

    https://polling.reuters.com/#!response/CP3_2/type/oneshot/dates/20180301-20190107/collapsed/true

    We know Trump's supporters are white. But what are the commonalities of this group regarding their socio-economic status, education levels, and their views on the federal government. In addition, what is the breakdown of that data according to gender--how many more men than women support Trump?

    You’ve been corrected on this before. Media reports of political poll findings NEVER report the full results because no one gives a shit about them. That’s why you get “registered voters” or “likely voters”. Otherwise you’d get poll results ahead of the general election showing Hillary with 28% and Trump with 26%. Do you complain about that?

    Well, this is similar, I’m considering people who actually have an opinion because it’s more interesting. It’s more manipulative to show support (or opposition) with “mixed” included, because it will make either one of those lower than they generally appear in media reports.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    In other words, both ways of spinning the statistics are lies. Ah. The veil parts.
    , @Corvinus
    "You’ve been corrected on this before."

    Show me where you had to specifically "correct" me on this matter, Mother Hen.

    "Media reports of political poll findings NEVER report the full results because no one gives a shit about them."

    Actually, the media reports key findings, and provide access to the full results to their viewers in the form of links.

    "That’s why you get “registered voters” or “likely voters”. Otherwise you’d get poll results ahead of the general election showing Hillary with 28% and Trump with 26%. Do you complain about that?"

    I have been generally skeptical about polling in the first place, especially in 2016, when the polls indicated that Shitlery was in the lead in several key states without her even making return visits there (like Michigan and Wisconsin), compared to Trump.

    "I’m considering people who actually have an opinion because it’s more interesting."

    Which leads to a skewed interpretation.

    "The flight from white means that whiteness is the ‘recessive’ racial identity in a cultural sense."

    White people for the most part are not "fleeing" from being white. They are primarily"fleeing" from the concept of the Alt Right's virtue signaling of white supremacy and white nationalism. Big difference.
  54. @Tom Verso
    WOW!
    Amazing how just 300 words can rip one’s mind open.

    I am a voracious consumer of social statistics and corresponding political/sociological/economic/cultural milieus developed in books, blogs, etc., especially regarding Jewish influence on the milieus (e.g. Kevin MacDonald and E. Michael Jones). But, these numbers about replacement rates and Trump approval rates present a whole different picture of Jews and Euro-Americans.

    Jews, based on my readings, are a (THE) driving force of open borders and mass non-European immigration (e.g. the 1965 immigration reform act and current media and political influence on public opinion about borders and immigration e.g. Soros et al).

    And the implication is that (((they))) will benefit hugely from the displacement of a Euro American majority. Your 300 words and graphs have seriously challenged the implications to be drawn from the works of formidable and serious social scientific historians and scholars.

    What you made me realize (or better recall) is Class is a variable missing in the sociology of Jews visa vis the "OTHERS'. In short, Jews are rich and powerful (Alan Dershowitz in a speech to Jews admonished them to be proud of their influence on American culture ... "We have earned the right to influence the culture", he says). However, as Marx, cutting to the chase, observes ... the history of of social evolution (economic, politics, culture, etc) is all about Class - class conflict is the driving force.

    If your analysis is correct, the Jews are creating their own class conflict. They are rich and the immigrants are poor. If Marx is correct, the Jews are in for a tough ride (as they have in the past, which they call anti-semiticism .. as E. M. Jones documents in profound detail, so called anti semitism is in fact class conflict; although he doesn't call it that, he thinks of anti semitism in terms of culture wars).

    What I'm not sure about, if the conflict evolves between Jews and immigrants, what will the role of Euro Americans be (working class not the American Heritage crowd). Currently, they seem to be impotent. They elected Trump. But, it got them essential nothing. Are they a sleeping giant that will be aroused from their 'dogmatic slumber' a la the "Yellow Vest"? If Marx is correct, they will not meld with the Jews because, while they are a higher class than the Immigrants, they are a lower class than the Jews and they are Christians.

    At any rate Epigone:

    As they use to say in ‘Radio Days’: “Keep those cards and letters com’n folks”

    Thanks, that’s kind and far too generous. Outmarriage (and dysgenic fertility, probably, on account of Hasidim) are having a detectable effect on Jewish intelligence as measured by the GSS via Wordsum.

  55. @German_reader

    Which part of “most Trump supporters don’t have Jews on the brain disease” do you not understand?
     
    This comment wasn't about Trump supporters in general, but about Jewish supporters of Trump (and btw, Audacious epigone obviously has Jews on the brain, otherwise he wouldn't have written that post).
    Audacious epigone claims there's convergence between Jews and white gentiles in the US because of immigration or other domestic US issues.
    But I don't see he's demonstrated that. Trump is the most extreme pro-Zionist president the US has ever had (not even Bush II went that far on the Jerusalem issue or Israeli settlements). Audacious epigone has no way of telling, why Jews support Trump (because of his immigration agenda? Or because of his extreme pro-Israel stance? How would things be if he took a more moderate position, e.g. like the elder Bush?), so his analysis strikes me as superficial.
    Not that I care much, in my opinion you're pretty much fucked in the US anyway, and Trump won't save you either.

    Do younger Jews care more about Israel than older Jews do?

  56. @Audacious Epigone
    That isn't to say you're incorrect. The flight from white means that whiteness is the 'recessive' racial identity in a cultural sense. Obama is viewed as black far more often than he's viewed as mixed, and he's never viewed as white.

    Obama would have done himself a big favor by going duck hunting a few times with some rural white Dem congressmen. John Kerry embarassed himself with a similar incident, but the public would have been far more forgiving of “Black City Slickers”.

  57. @J
    It has been a long time since Jewish vote had any significance. Jews are relatively so few that the graph is almost meaningless. And you know it.

    Perhaps, but the most important thing is they channel LOADS of finances into the Democratic party as well as holding significant policy positions in both parties. THAT’s where the power lies.

  58. @Charles Pewitt

    FWIW, Trump got votes for supporting Israel. If he wasn’t a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.

     

    Evangelical voters in the South, and other regions, are highly interested in things and doings in the Bible lands, that's true. But even the evangelicals are getting tired of the endless war on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    Trump was playing to Adelson, the Israel Lobby, evangelicals, the war budget profiteers, Bible-thumpers AND voters who were fed up with all the endless, unnecessary foreign wars.

    Trumpy was all things to all people when it came to Israel, foreign wars and the voters desire to bring the troops home from imperial garrison duty.

    Trumpy was lucky that his GOP presidential primary opponents -- except Mophead Paul -- were warmongering idiots when the voters were looking for someone to end the foreign war nonsense.

    Trump got lucky again to face warmongering baby boomer globalizer Hillary Clinton in the presidential election. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War debacle cooked up by George W Bush and the Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the GOP.

    Trumpy is Jacksonian in the sense that he will conduct war only to protect and advance the best interests of the United States. Just like Andrew Jackson. Trumpy seems to understand that fighting wars on behalf of other nations has been disastrous for the United States.

    That frizzy-headed baby boomer fop Wally Russell Mead has been deliberately misusing the term Jacksonian in an attempt to keep the Neo-Conservative wars going. Trump must ignore the treasonous rats such as Wally Mead who do the bidding of foreign masters.

    Remember, baby boomer globalizer Wally Russell Mead was a big backer of the Iraq War debacle.

    Charles Pewitt, Trump is a baby boomer too.

  59. @Counterinsurgency

    Some humility would go a long way.
     
    The complaints of the various minorities are well founded. They have organized because they _cannot_ integrate into Enlightenment based industrial society. The last decade or so (or perhaps the last 50 years, since AD 1968 or so) have shown that industrial society cannot carry the load that the various minorities have become. Industrial society is living on debt and its infrastructure now.

    So: _You_ need a little humility. The Enlightenment is not the "End of History". The book _The End of History_ was actually so simple minded that it was painful to read, and the actual "End of History" we have today has proven so painful to live in that _everybody_ in the industrial world is revolting.

    The Postmodernists say that only by further handicapping Whites in general and White men in particular ("White" is their term, not mine) will the various minority groups be able to live in Enlightenment based industrial society, and the various minority groups agree. Attempting to grant further handicapping, or even maintaining current levels, will make industrial society impossible to maintain. To repeat myself, industrial society is living on debt and its infrastructure _now_. It has to repay its debt and renew its infrastructure or we will lose it.

    So: Be a bit humble. The system you live in and on is vanishing, and your only answer to that is saying "shut up and sit down". The argument that "You are all SOBs, everybody knows it, so shut up and sit down." is an insult followed by a command without authority. You clearly don't have answers for anybody, even yourself. Drop the cosmic all-knowing narrator pose. Be humble, and think rather than strut. You might even like it.

    Counterinsurgency

    Good posts from you, Counterinsurgency, thank you.

    (Watched that ‘50’s hope-destroying cartoon you linked a few days ago. It was depraved. I recollected watching it in the early sixties.)

    (Plato would have forbade it.)

  60. stats on Jewish exogamy are meaningless.

    typically, the out-married Jew (Kushner to Ivanka, JPM honcho Jamie Dimon’s Jew-wife, etc.)

    sees that the half-Jew offspring are brought up as Jews and then

    marry back into the Tribe. That’s why

    so many Ashkenaz don’t “look” Jewish,

    at least to those with made-in-China or poorly-tuned Jewdars.

    In any case, the fundemental Jew-power does not rest on numbers:

    it rests on controlling the Central Banking system.

  61. (JTA) — A 19-year-old Jewish man was attacked by a group of black teenagers in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn.

    https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/jewish-man-assaulted-in-crown-heights-new-york

  62. @216

    Trump has still not done anything to go after antifa, even as they target his supporters and prominent conservatives like Tucker Carlson.
     
    In the aftermath of the "DisruptJ20" riots, the DC prosecutors charged a number of people with felony rioting. ADAs appear to have thrown some of the cases, and judges threw other cases out.

    Those of us inside the bubble have a tendency to underestimate the ferocious anger from the mainstrem against the Charlottesville riot. It didn't help that last year we had the BoomerBomber and the synagouge shooting as well.

    Going after antifa would allow the left to cast itself as victim and rebel.

    The various Dissident movements should be playing dead in public, not attracting attention.

    He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low – to no avail. They won’t vote for him.
     
    The GOP lost a lot of "white college moderates", pandering is designed to win these people back. White working class moderates might also be persuaded as part of a generalized economic appeal of higher wages.

    As long as electoral politics is functioning (I hold no illusions on its efficacy), its worth trying to peel off non-whites from the Dem coalition. On a global perspective, we are a small, despised and decadent minority. Some humility would go a long way.

    Both parties abandoned the Rust Belt in the 1990’s. Not only does the GOP not want to renege on their pandering to Big Ag. and the Sun Belt since the 80’s, even most elite Dems aren’t interested in restoring a broad middle class society with generous helpings of unionized manufacturing. Now granted, the proles outside of the Rust-Belt aren’t getting much service either, but then, both parties have been losing more and more interest in proles with each passing decade.

    Trump in the 2016 primary and general election was able to essentially convert many Americans into Buchananites, amplified by Bernie’s failure causing most mid-lower class whites to realize that the Dems didn’t care about them.

    Forward to 2019; Trump has been using the Reaganite playbook thoroughly, focusing on crime and disorder, while not signalling a move away from supply-sideism. From time to time he remembers what got him elected and steps on the Pentagon’s toes (the best part of his presidency bar none). On immigration he’s done 1/10 of what he promised, or at least, implied. Some of that is due to lawfare, but not all of it (for one thing he’s never been good at vocally criticizing high levels of “skilled” immigration, which is just a continuation of Reaganite immigration policies). On healthcare he stinks, and he’s never really seemed to care that much about the issue either way during his presidency.

    You can’t really blame Trump for the fact that Boomers and X-ers, in the mid-upper echelons of the respective coalitions which make up the true base of each party (media, entertainment, academia, and law for the Dems, agribusiness, energy, the military for the GOP), have become arrogantly elitist, entirely dismissive of America’s middle class being shredded for 30 years. Elites (and near elites) are betraying us in order for them to get fatter and fatter. You wonder just how far they’ll keep pushing their BS. In theory, in the near future their should be a major event that becomes the fulcrum on which the new beginning of our society rests. It could be a civil war, caused by insoluble differences between certain ethnic groups/political coalitions. It could be a foreign war, which would ideally be caused by a seriously threatening “actor” (not just another group of loosely organized Muslims turning Western tools and training against the West itself). It could also be a sobering economic crisis or “malaise” used to cause long lasting changes/reforms (like what FDR did in the 1930’s after the Depression, or what Reagan and Clinton did in the 80’s and 90’s after the 70’s “stagflation”).

    Neil Howe says that poorly regarded presidents are often the victim of bad timing, as major problems don’t assert themselves until 3-5 years into the presidency. See LBJ (Vietnam going sour), Nixon (Watergate), Carter (“malaise” and the hostage crisis), and both Bushes (early 90’s recession, many things for Bush 2). Howe said a couple years ago that Trump ideally, like Reagan or Clinton, could’ve come into office during a time of low consumer and political confidence, and used that sentiment to enact significant reforms. But Trump’s only major break from the past is reluctance to continue Pax Americana, which, actually, is something that Obama (!) started (Hilary had to constantly goad him into being more confrontational toward Iran et al, and Obama reportedly was against the Libya disaster from the get-go).

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @216

    Some of that is due to lawfare, but not all of it (for one thing he’s never been good at vocally criticizing high levels of “skilled” immigration, which is just a continuation of Reaganite immigration policies).
     
    It's an old trope on Boomer gun forums to blame the "flipping" of WA, OR, TX, CO, VA etc on "migrating Californians" and said Californian is always implicitly white. The data clearly doesn't bear this out, its the international migrants that are flipping the states. Now, FL as mentioned earlier, was significantly flipped by internal migrants, namely New York Jews. But expect tiptoeing around that.


    Boomercons are largely clueless and stupidly think "legal immigrants vote GOP and hate the illegals". Only existing in the 90% white BoomerBubble would lead one to think that. Trump is sadly a product of that bubble.
    , @iffen
    I used my only agree tab. I wish they weren’t meted out like an old maid gives out cookies to the neighborhood children.

    This was an excellent exchange between you and 216.

    If Peter Turchin is right, it should hit the fan within the next decade. All bets will be off when the Safeway and Kroger shelves remain empty for a few weeks. Not to mention the coming fiscal crunch of paying promised SS and other entitlements.

    I can’t see the Dems enacting any populist policies; they will continue their current trend.

    Sewer pond scum types like Romney, Sasse and Kasich will regain control of the Republican Party. But I think that it will be possible for a Trump inspired faction to fight it out with them by adopting populist economic policies.
    , @Stan d Mute

    Elites (and near elites) are betraying us in order for them to get fatter and fatter. You wonder just how far they’ll keep pushing their BS. In theory, in the near future their should be a major event that becomes the fulcrum on which the new beginning of our society rests.
     
    I had a conversation with a late boomer lawyer about this today. He, and a hundred thousand others in my over-educated County, thinks himself a quasi-elite when I pointed out the laughability of his premise. Professors, doctors, lawyers, etc, are just better indoctrinated proles. There are maybe two or three actual elites here like Billy Ford (since Monaghan left I think we’ve only got two now). If you have to ask whether you’re in the club, you’re not and never will be in the club. A net worth of $10,000,000 doesn’t come remotely close to an “elite” these days. Jack White, Marshall Mathers, Ted Nugent, Vincent Fournier, Bob Seger, and Bob Ritchie (for you music mavens) are not elites. A buck ain’t what it used to be.

    The question is how do we prove to these self-aggrandizing fools that they’re just slightly more prosperous serfs who can be squashed as easily as any hourly wage laborers? Or do they secretly already know it and that explains their slavish devotion to the Narrative? Terror at the prospect of losing their Barton Hills ZIP code and having to live in Ypsilanti with the Michituckians and negroes or Canton with the gooks?

    Another question is how do we recruit more (relatively) redpilled elites like our Prince, DeVos, and Van Andel families here in the HBD Mitten? How do we prevent them from becoming Fords?

    I use HBD Mitten examples, but could just as easily use S Fla, Cleveland or Columbus, hell - anywhere really.

    By the way, did I mention that I have a Great Lake for sale?
  63. @Feryl
    Both parties abandoned the Rust Belt in the 1990's. Not only does the GOP not want to renege on their pandering to Big Ag. and the Sun Belt since the 80's, even most elite Dems aren't interested in restoring a broad middle class society with generous helpings of unionized manufacturing. Now granted, the proles outside of the Rust-Belt aren't getting much service either, but then, both parties have been losing more and more interest in proles with each passing decade.

    Trump in the 2016 primary and general election was able to essentially convert many Americans into Buchananites, amplified by Bernie's failure causing most mid-lower class whites to realize that the Dems didn't care about them.

    Forward to 2019; Trump has been using the Reaganite playbook thoroughly, focusing on crime and disorder, while not signalling a move away from supply-sideism. From time to time he remembers what got him elected and steps on the Pentagon's toes (the best part of his presidency bar none). On immigration he's done 1/10 of what he promised, or at least, implied. Some of that is due to lawfare, but not all of it (for one thing he's never been good at vocally criticizing high levels of "skilled" immigration, which is just a continuation of Reaganite immigration policies). On healthcare he stinks, and he's never really seemed to care that much about the issue either way during his presidency.

    You can't really blame Trump for the fact that Boomers and X-ers, in the mid-upper echelons of the respective coalitions which make up the true base of each party (media, entertainment, academia, and law for the Dems, agribusiness, energy, the military for the GOP), have become arrogantly elitist, entirely dismissive of America's middle class being shredded for 30 years. Elites (and near elites) are betraying us in order for them to get fatter and fatter. You wonder just how far they'll keep pushing their BS. In theory, in the near future their should be a major event that becomes the fulcrum on which the new beginning of our society rests. It could be a civil war, caused by insoluble differences between certain ethnic groups/political coalitions. It could be a foreign war, which would ideally be caused by a seriously threatening "actor" (not just another group of loosely organized Muslims turning Western tools and training against the West itself). It could also be a sobering economic crisis or "malaise" used to cause long lasting changes/reforms (like what FDR did in the 1930's after the Depression, or what Reagan and Clinton did in the 80's and 90's after the 70's "stagflation").

    Neil Howe says that poorly regarded presidents are often the victim of bad timing, as major problems don't assert themselves until 3-5 years into the presidency. See LBJ (Vietnam going sour), Nixon (Watergate), Carter ("malaise" and the hostage crisis), and both Bushes (early 90's recession, many things for Bush 2). Howe said a couple years ago that Trump ideally, like Reagan or Clinton, could've come into office during a time of low consumer and political confidence, and used that sentiment to enact significant reforms. But Trump's only major break from the past is reluctance to continue Pax Americana, which, actually, is something that Obama (!) started (Hilary had to constantly goad him into being more confrontational toward Iran et al, and Obama reportedly was against the Libya disaster from the get-go).

    Some of that is due to lawfare, but not all of it (for one thing he’s never been good at vocally criticizing high levels of “skilled” immigration, which is just a continuation of Reaganite immigration policies).

    It’s an old trope on Boomer gun forums to blame the “flipping” of WA, OR, TX, CO, VA etc on “migrating Californians” and said Californian is always implicitly white. The data clearly doesn’t bear this out, its the international migrants that are flipping the states. Now, FL as mentioned earlier, was significantly flipped by internal migrants, namely New York Jews. But expect tiptoeing around that.

    Boomercons are largely clueless and stupidly think “legal immigrants vote GOP and hate the illegals”. Only existing in the 90% white BoomerBubble would lead one to think that. Trump is sadly a product of that bubble.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Well, there is naiveness, but there's also shameless deference to elites. High skilled immigrants are elites, or wannabe elites, and in a highly corrupt era elites want to encourage competition between elites. So beginning in earnest in the 1990's, American elites started to import tech workers, doctors, academics et al. The thinking is that in a dog-eat-dog climate, we ought to let elites congregate in the most sexy regions and have at it.

    Meanwhile, in the 1930's-1960's, we imported some farm workers and ditch diggers, but that was about it. And the 70's and early 80's saw highly increased importation of Latino and South Asian menial workers into the US Sun Belt, but more elite occupations remained heavily American. Not until the late 80's/early 90's did we really start to import lots of foreign elites. So it's evident that a country developing a multi-national elite (and sorta upper middle class) is something that only really gets out of hand when corruption soars.

    I'm going by anecdotal stories, here (college students being subjected to thickly accented lectures, white collar workers being asked to train foreign replacements, etc.); and as a general rule non-menial occupations were quite American well into the 80's (I saw a 1988/'89 TV news bit about Nintendo's popularity; Nintendo's help lines were staffed by Americans working in America back then, judging from the authentic footage shown). A big reason nobody cared about immigration in the 70's and 80's was that the thinking went, "who cares if Mexicans are doing the ditch digging? It's not as if I want my kid doing that".
    , @Stan d Mute

    Now, FL as mentioned earlier, was significantly flipped by internal migrants, namely New York Jews.
     
    Plus Puerto Ricans. But to ignore the LatAm takeover of S Fla, Miami-Dade & Broward, is a mistake. And Central Fla has in addition to the PRs, a huge Mexican labor population. Look at The Villages for example. The owner/developer was (and his kids are) a staunch conservative but The Villages was built with Mexican labor. FL is a lot like the HBD Mitten insofar as the dichotomy between liberal east coast and conservative west coast with crackers and rednecks in the middle and up north. Peninsula Power! The Mitten just doesn’t (yet) have the LatAm/Mexican invasion (but we are diligently working to catch up and we have the Arabs and Orientals - so eat it Florida!)..
  64. @Charles Pewitt

    FWIW, Trump got votes for supporting Israel. If he wasn’t a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.

     

    Evangelical voters in the South, and other regions, are highly interested in things and doings in the Bible lands, that's true. But even the evangelicals are getting tired of the endless war on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    Trump was playing to Adelson, the Israel Lobby, evangelicals, the war budget profiteers, Bible-thumpers AND voters who were fed up with all the endless, unnecessary foreign wars.

    Trumpy was all things to all people when it came to Israel, foreign wars and the voters desire to bring the troops home from imperial garrison duty.

    Trumpy was lucky that his GOP presidential primary opponents -- except Mophead Paul -- were warmongering idiots when the voters were looking for someone to end the foreign war nonsense.

    Trump got lucky again to face warmongering baby boomer globalizer Hillary Clinton in the presidential election. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War debacle cooked up by George W Bush and the Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction in the GOP.

    Trumpy is Jacksonian in the sense that he will conduct war only to protect and advance the best interests of the United States. Just like Andrew Jackson. Trumpy seems to understand that fighting wars on behalf of other nations has been disastrous for the United States.

    That frizzy-headed baby boomer fop Wally Russell Mead has been deliberately misusing the term Jacksonian in an attempt to keep the Neo-Conservative wars going. Trump must ignore the treasonous rats such as Wally Mead who do the bidding of foreign masters.

    Remember, baby boomer globalizer Wally Russell Mead was a big backer of the Iraq War debacle.

    The Christian Right is way past it’s sell-by date. Gen X-ers and Millennials don’t care about religion, period. Older generations based much of their identity on religious affiliation and ideology. Young(ish) people don’t. Now ethnic ID, that’s another story. For Jews and Muslims, “religious” ID is essentially a proxy for ethnic ID. White people under 50 don’t generally have a strong religious ID, however, they do have a strong sense of being white as opposed to black or Asian or Arab….., being from the North or South (or East or West), having a rural or urban background, and the like. I’ve actually said before that Boomers don’t feel very different from each other on measures of “ethnic” or regional ID. However, where Boomers tend to butt heads is on spiritual and cultural matters. Thus, being a fan of heavy metal, or jazz, or country means a lot to Boomers, as does which variant of Christianity you belong to.

    In other words, younger whites emphasize that which cannot be changed (the race/region/class from which you came), while Silent and Boomer whites emphasize that which you control (which form of religion and culture you think is best). This suggest, for one thing, that younger whites are comfortable being themselves, and aren’t as interested in air-headed competitions about who worships the best God or who listens to the coolest music….Whereas whites born before the mid-60’s still are annoyingly pre-occupied with cultural one-upmanship contests and nostalgia binges about “rock and roll”(hint: nobody from the younger generations gives a shit about Elvis swinging his hips, or John Lennon saying that he’s bigger than God, when they came of age worrying about the disappearance of affordable housing.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  65. TLDR; the strong middle class climate of America in the 1940’s-1970’s gave rise to two generations (Silents and Boomers) who could afford to bicker about spirituality and culture. The further you were born after the early 60’s, the less you give a damn about arguing over what is “rock and roll” and what isn’t. The less you care about arguing over which version of religion is best. Of course, the now dying culture favored by the Silents and Boomers, hopelessly rooted in the rebellious climate of the 60’s and 70’s, is thoroughly meaningless to later generations. We get it; the GI generation bored you guys, and you couldn’t wait for the day when “mother fucker” could be used in mainstream movies.

    Meanwhile, the soaring inequality and corruption seen since the late 1980’s (for which today’s older generations bear responsibility) actually is relevant to Millennials. Move over Elvis, and Jesus, so that we can focus on the robber barons urinating on the commons.

  66. @216

    Some of that is due to lawfare, but not all of it (for one thing he’s never been good at vocally criticizing high levels of “skilled” immigration, which is just a continuation of Reaganite immigration policies).
     
    It's an old trope on Boomer gun forums to blame the "flipping" of WA, OR, TX, CO, VA etc on "migrating Californians" and said Californian is always implicitly white. The data clearly doesn't bear this out, its the international migrants that are flipping the states. Now, FL as mentioned earlier, was significantly flipped by internal migrants, namely New York Jews. But expect tiptoeing around that.


    Boomercons are largely clueless and stupidly think "legal immigrants vote GOP and hate the illegals". Only existing in the 90% white BoomerBubble would lead one to think that. Trump is sadly a product of that bubble.

    Well, there is naiveness, but there’s also shameless deference to elites. High skilled immigrants are elites, or wannabe elites, and in a highly corrupt era elites want to encourage competition between elites. So beginning in earnest in the 1990’s, American elites started to import tech workers, doctors, academics et al. The thinking is that in a dog-eat-dog climate, we ought to let elites congregate in the most sexy regions and have at it.

    Meanwhile, in the 1930’s-1960’s, we imported some farm workers and ditch diggers, but that was about it. And the 70’s and early 80’s saw highly increased importation of Latino and South Asian menial workers into the US Sun Belt, but more elite occupations remained heavily American. Not until the late 80’s/early 90’s did we really start to import lots of foreign elites. So it’s evident that a country developing a multi-national elite (and sorta upper middle class) is something that only really gets out of hand when corruption soars.

    I’m going by anecdotal stories, here (college students being subjected to thickly accented lectures, white collar workers being asked to train foreign replacements, etc.); and as a general rule non-menial occupations were quite American well into the 80’s (I saw a 1988/’89 TV news bit about Nintendo’s popularity; Nintendo’s help lines were staffed by Americans working in America back then, judging from the authentic footage shown). A big reason nobody cared about immigration in the 70’s and 80’s was that the thinking went, “who cares if Mexicans are doing the ditch digging? It’s not as if I want my kid doing that”.

    • Replies: @216
    I was speaking more about Asians, vis-à-vis Hispanics. Boomercons do seem to think that Hispanics are either "natural conservatives" alienated by anti-immigrant rhetoric, or "radical socialists" like Chavez.

    But from the Reganite perspective, Asian immigrants are the highest achieving and least complaining, they also score the best on most social indicators. But they increasingly despise the GOP, far more than in the Bush years. Boomercons don't get this, having never encountered such gems like r/hapa and r/Asianmasculinity or even the left-center r/AsianAmerican.

    I think there is a tendency to recognize that it is socially acceptable to bash white liberals moving from CA to CO, but not to bash an Asian immigrant moving to CO from India or China. Is that a deference to the immigrant being in the professional class? Or is it cowardice to criticize a non-white?

    The unpopular truth for the Right is that Anti-Islamic actions are probably the biggest driver of Asian movement towards the Dems. Minority communities have long memories of the "lone nuts" mistaking and killing, Sikhs and Hindus for Muslims. Given high Boomer divorce rates, I don't expect any of them to start praising Muslims for superior family values anytime soon.
  67. @Feryl
    Well, there is naiveness, but there's also shameless deference to elites. High skilled immigrants are elites, or wannabe elites, and in a highly corrupt era elites want to encourage competition between elites. So beginning in earnest in the 1990's, American elites started to import tech workers, doctors, academics et al. The thinking is that in a dog-eat-dog climate, we ought to let elites congregate in the most sexy regions and have at it.

    Meanwhile, in the 1930's-1960's, we imported some farm workers and ditch diggers, but that was about it. And the 70's and early 80's saw highly increased importation of Latino and South Asian menial workers into the US Sun Belt, but more elite occupations remained heavily American. Not until the late 80's/early 90's did we really start to import lots of foreign elites. So it's evident that a country developing a multi-national elite (and sorta upper middle class) is something that only really gets out of hand when corruption soars.

    I'm going by anecdotal stories, here (college students being subjected to thickly accented lectures, white collar workers being asked to train foreign replacements, etc.); and as a general rule non-menial occupations were quite American well into the 80's (I saw a 1988/'89 TV news bit about Nintendo's popularity; Nintendo's help lines were staffed by Americans working in America back then, judging from the authentic footage shown). A big reason nobody cared about immigration in the 70's and 80's was that the thinking went, "who cares if Mexicans are doing the ditch digging? It's not as if I want my kid doing that".

    I was speaking more about Asians, vis-à-vis Hispanics. Boomercons do seem to think that Hispanics are either “natural conservatives” alienated by anti-immigrant rhetoric, or “radical socialists” like Chavez.

    But from the Reganite perspective, Asian immigrants are the highest achieving and least complaining, they also score the best on most social indicators. But they increasingly despise the GOP, far more than in the Bush years. Boomercons don’t get this, having never encountered such gems like r/hapa and r/Asianmasculinity or even the left-center r/AsianAmerican.

    I think there is a tendency to recognize that it is socially acceptable to bash white liberals moving from CA to CO, but not to bash an Asian immigrant moving to CO from India or China. Is that a deference to the immigrant being in the professional class? Or is it cowardice to criticize a non-white?

    The unpopular truth for the Right is that Anti-Islamic actions are probably the biggest driver of Asian movement towards the Dems. Minority communities have long memories of the “lone nuts” mistaking and killing, Sikhs and Hindus for Muslims. Given high Boomer divorce rates, I don’t expect any of them to start praising Muslims for superior family values anytime soon.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    "I was speaking more about Asians, vis-à-vis Hispanics. Boomercons do seem to think that Hispanics are either “natural conservatives” alienated by anti-immigrant rhetoric, or “radical socialists” like Chavez."

    "But from the Reganite perspective, Asian immigrants are the highest achieving and least complaining, they also score the best on most social indicators. But they increasingly despise the GOP, far more than in the Bush years. Boomercons don’t get this, having never encountered such gems like r/hapa and r/Asianmasculinity or even the left-center r/AsianAmerican."

    For older conservative and moderate people, in the more or less mainstream of generational culture, American blacks are always enemy #1. They're called lazy, annoying, loud, and always blamed for American cities falling apart in the 70's. ANYTHING is considered an improvement over American blacks. Adam Carolla, for example, rarely is critical of high immigration levels or "ethnic" culture except in so far as the people involved don't measure up to the standard set by Asians. But the idea that America's unique Anglo-Dutch-Teutonic-Celtic-Gaelic (white) derived culture is something worth recognizing and protecting? Heresy to most middle aged and elderly whites, Carolla included (Trump won by appealing to Rust belt blue collar whites, not by igniting a nascent cultural nationalist movement among older whites across the country; Trump did not do particularly well in the Reagan heartland of the suburban Sunbelt and West, but he did do much better in small towns across the entire Eastern US, not including some of New England. Back in the 70's and 80's, older generations of whites bought into the idea that whites were lazy and dishonest (albeit not to the degree of blacks) , and thus the stage was set for the destruction of the labor movement (which in those decades was over 80% white). This is a self-fulfilling prophecy to some extent, because when you undermine the dignity of mid-lower class white people for over 40 years, sure enough, many whites would now rather chow on opiates, live in the sticks away from the hordes of aliens and status climbers, or collect SSI. Today's corrupt intellectual class prefers two approaches to this problem of white decline: 1) UBI for a now useless class of lower skilled native born whites (and blacks/Mexican-Americans). 2) Encourage those in the declining hinterlands to go to trendy areas so as to try and compete in today's ruthless winner take all climate.

    The painful lessons of the Progressive era, which laid the ground for the glory of New Deal America, have all been forgotten. These days Management is always to be favored over labor, the rich get what they deserve and needn't do more than token charity for the poor, and nativism is for lazy losers.

    "I think there is a tendency to recognize that it is socially acceptable to bash white liberals moving from CA to CO, but not to bash an Asian immigrant moving to CO from India or China. Is that a deference to the immigrant being in the professional class? Or is it cowardice to criticize a non-white?"


    A striver is still a striver. Actual mobility among Americas was much higher in the 1940's-1970's, suggesting that transplanting is acceptable as long as those who are doing it remain modest and in touch with normal mores. What's created resentment over native mobility over the last 40 years is that many of these modern transplants are arrogant and shameless yuppies. By the 80's, we were getting horror movies that reflected the anxiety of middle class people who felt that they couldn't trust or really get to know their neighbors and co-workers anymore. This anxiety didn't exist in the 50's or 60's, since really, there weren't hardly any assholes just looking out for themselves back then.
  68. @Audacious Epigone
    You've been corrected on this before. Media reports of political poll findings NEVER report the full results because no one gives a shit about them. That's why you get "registered voters" or "likely voters". Otherwise you'd get poll results ahead of the general election showing Hillary with 28% and Trump with 26%. Do you complain about that?

    Well, this is similar, I'm considering people who actually have an opinion because it's more interesting. It's more manipulative to show support (or opposition) with "mixed" included, because it will make either one of those lower than they generally appear in media reports.

    In other words, both ways of spinning the statistics are lies. Ah. The veil parts.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    No, they are exactly what they say they are, with links to the source data. If you have an issue with the way it is presented, create a representation of it yourself.
  69. @obwandiyag
    In other words, both ways of spinning the statistics are lies. Ah. The veil parts.

    No, they are exactly what they say they are, with links to the source data. If you have an issue with the way it is presented, create a representation of it yourself.

  70. @Audacious Epigone
    Would you say the same about miscegenation among whites, that mudsharks are increasing the white population?

    I would. Having more people part white is good for assimilation.

  71. @Tony
    The true opening was with Pat Buchanan in 92. Then again maybe it was Barry Goldwater in 64.

    The true opening was with Pat Buchanan in 92.

    You know you spelled Perot funny there?

    And did you forget Wallace?

  72. @Audacious Epigone

    Interesting, that’s the first thing that crossed my mind when I looked at the data.

    What about interbreeding? If a significant number of younger ‘Jews’ are not of fully Jewish ancestry, might they be identifying with their European side?

    (Don’t see a lot of Jews interbreeding with blacks).

  73. @neutral

    Due to high outmarriage rates and fertility below replacement, the 2% is on its way to becoming the 1%
     
    I see this as the opposite, outmarriage means that the jewish blood spreads to more people and thus more people are tainted by it. Being a quarter jew still makes you a jew (Lenin is a good example), so if anything the jewish population is growing.

    Well many of the educated whites over the next few generations will be “tainted” as you say. Because of intermarriage, Jews are really just becoming another white ethnic group mixture. In the area I live there are many Italian-Jewish and Irish-Jewish couples.

    The only pure Jews will be the Orthodox and Hasidic, who vote strongly Republican.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Is it conceivable that the differences between white gentiles and Jews will in the future be comparable to the differences white Protestants and Catholics 50 years ago? Seems so to me.
    , @3g4me
    @74 Marty T: "The only pure Jews will be the Orthodox and Hasidic, who vote strongly Republican."

    What a typically boomer/TradCon comment, blind to racial reality. First, Hasids are heavily inbred. Lots of uncle/niece or first and 2nd cousin marriage. Second, many of them barely speak English and know little to nothing of anything outside their Talmud. Third, they vote Repuke because Repukes support them over the Mohammedans (and covet all the big (((donor))) dollars), not because they have any understanding of or love for ordered liberty and Western Christendom. Like Negroes, the Orthodox/Hasids vote for the gibs. But to someone who still sees this as D versus R instead of uniparty globalists versus ethnonationalists, I suppose it means . . . something or other.

    And I would heavily bet (if I had any spare cash to do so) that the offspring of your Irish/Italian/Jewish marriages strongly identify as culturally part Jewish, support open immigration because of 'muh ancestors,' and have no clue about let alone emotional bonding with a settler nation. Ellis Island immigrant descendants helped open the door to the third world horde, and they are only minimally American themselves. And I say this, unfortunately, as a descendant of Ellis Island immigrants.
  74. Frustrating though his lack of progress has been, Trump is changing the face of the Republican electorate. As I’m fond of pointing out, he is a transitional figure rather than a transformative one.

    I’ve seen him called Don the Baptist.

    4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. 6 And John was clothed with camel’s hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; 7 And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. 8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. — Gospel of Mark

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  75. @Feryl
    Both parties abandoned the Rust Belt in the 1990's. Not only does the GOP not want to renege on their pandering to Big Ag. and the Sun Belt since the 80's, even most elite Dems aren't interested in restoring a broad middle class society with generous helpings of unionized manufacturing. Now granted, the proles outside of the Rust-Belt aren't getting much service either, but then, both parties have been losing more and more interest in proles with each passing decade.

    Trump in the 2016 primary and general election was able to essentially convert many Americans into Buchananites, amplified by Bernie's failure causing most mid-lower class whites to realize that the Dems didn't care about them.

    Forward to 2019; Trump has been using the Reaganite playbook thoroughly, focusing on crime and disorder, while not signalling a move away from supply-sideism. From time to time he remembers what got him elected and steps on the Pentagon's toes (the best part of his presidency bar none). On immigration he's done 1/10 of what he promised, or at least, implied. Some of that is due to lawfare, but not all of it (for one thing he's never been good at vocally criticizing high levels of "skilled" immigration, which is just a continuation of Reaganite immigration policies). On healthcare he stinks, and he's never really seemed to care that much about the issue either way during his presidency.

    You can't really blame Trump for the fact that Boomers and X-ers, in the mid-upper echelons of the respective coalitions which make up the true base of each party (media, entertainment, academia, and law for the Dems, agribusiness, energy, the military for the GOP), have become arrogantly elitist, entirely dismissive of America's middle class being shredded for 30 years. Elites (and near elites) are betraying us in order for them to get fatter and fatter. You wonder just how far they'll keep pushing their BS. In theory, in the near future their should be a major event that becomes the fulcrum on which the new beginning of our society rests. It could be a civil war, caused by insoluble differences between certain ethnic groups/political coalitions. It could be a foreign war, which would ideally be caused by a seriously threatening "actor" (not just another group of loosely organized Muslims turning Western tools and training against the West itself). It could also be a sobering economic crisis or "malaise" used to cause long lasting changes/reforms (like what FDR did in the 1930's after the Depression, or what Reagan and Clinton did in the 80's and 90's after the 70's "stagflation").

    Neil Howe says that poorly regarded presidents are often the victim of bad timing, as major problems don't assert themselves until 3-5 years into the presidency. See LBJ (Vietnam going sour), Nixon (Watergate), Carter ("malaise" and the hostage crisis), and both Bushes (early 90's recession, many things for Bush 2). Howe said a couple years ago that Trump ideally, like Reagan or Clinton, could've come into office during a time of low consumer and political confidence, and used that sentiment to enact significant reforms. But Trump's only major break from the past is reluctance to continue Pax Americana, which, actually, is something that Obama (!) started (Hilary had to constantly goad him into being more confrontational toward Iran et al, and Obama reportedly was against the Libya disaster from the get-go).

    I used my only agree tab. I wish they weren’t meted out like an old maid gives out cookies to the neighborhood children.

    This was an excellent exchange between you and 216.

    If Peter Turchin is right, it should hit the fan within the next decade. All bets will be off when the Safeway and Kroger shelves remain empty for a few weeks. Not to mention the coming fiscal crunch of paying promised SS and other entitlements.

    I can’t see the Dems enacting any populist policies; they will continue their current trend.

    Sewer pond scum types like Romney, Sasse and Kasich will regain control of the Republican Party. But I think that it will be possible for a Trump inspired faction to fight it out with them by adopting populist economic policies.

  76. @Audacious Epigone
    You've been corrected on this before. Media reports of political poll findings NEVER report the full results because no one gives a shit about them. That's why you get "registered voters" or "likely voters". Otherwise you'd get poll results ahead of the general election showing Hillary with 28% and Trump with 26%. Do you complain about that?

    Well, this is similar, I'm considering people who actually have an opinion because it's more interesting. It's more manipulative to show support (or opposition) with "mixed" included, because it will make either one of those lower than they generally appear in media reports.

    “You’ve been corrected on this before.”

    Show me where you had to specifically “correct” me on this matter, Mother Hen.

    “Media reports of political poll findings NEVER report the full results because no one gives a shit about them.”

    Actually, the media reports key findings, and provide access to the full results to their viewers in the form of links.

    “That’s why you get “registered voters” or “likely voters”. Otherwise you’d get poll results ahead of the general election showing Hillary with 28% and Trump with 26%. Do you complain about that?”

    I have been generally skeptical about polling in the first place, especially in 2016, when the polls indicated that Shitlery was in the lead in several key states without her even making return visits there (like Michigan and Wisconsin), compared to Trump.

    “I’m considering people who actually have an opinion because it’s more interesting.”

    Which leads to a skewed interpretation.

    “The flight from white means that whiteness is the ‘recessive’ racial identity in a cultural sense.”

    White people for the most part are not “fleeing” from being white. They are primarily”fleeing” from the concept of the Alt Right’s virtue signaling of white supremacy and white nationalism. Big difference.

    • Troll: 216
  77. @216
    Shifts in the Jewish vote are important in the key swing state of Florida.

    I imagine that being seen as "Anti-Semitic" is damaging with gentile moderates.

    Pennsylvania is another state where the Jewish vote could be influential.

  78. @Tony
    The true opening was with Pat Buchanan in 92. Then again maybe it was Barry Goldwater in 64.

    Goldwater? Good grief.

  79. @The Alarmist
    Looking for the Jewish vote is meaningless; it's the other influences they have that matters, and the clique controlling those levers of power don't appear to be budging one inch.

    Well, that clique is composed of senior citizens.

  80. @Marty T
    Well many of the educated whites over the next few generations will be "tainted" as you say. Because of intermarriage, Jews are really just becoming another white ethnic group mixture. In the area I live there are many Italian-Jewish and Irish-Jewish couples.

    The only pure Jews will be the Orthodox and Hasidic, who vote strongly Republican.

    Is it conceivable that the differences between white gentiles and Jews will in the future be comparable to the differences white Protestants and Catholics 50 years ago? Seems so to me.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    It seems clear to me that the hordes of non-whites from all over the world don't make any distinction, nor do they give a fig about the JQ.

    I know a good number of Jews, non-religious and educated, who recognize this. They know that they enjoy 'white privilege' as much as any WASP male, including the dubious privilege . Non-whites do not care that their grandmother was a Freedom Rider.

    Likewise, the Islamic Hordes do not care if you put parentheses around every Jewish reporter's name, hate Israel and support the creation of a 52nd Muslim state in Palestine. They want al-Andalus, too, and after that Rome. Then they want you to convert. Laugh it up if you want; Muslims are playing the long game.

    Jewish votes don't matter much in any given election in the U.S., but they matter in some specific races, Congressional districts, etc. Much more important is the financial support for the parties.

    The Democrat party heads inexorably toward its destiny as a version of Corbyn's Labor Party, which is England's version of the Sonderkommando for its native population. Eventually they will do the same math the L.P. did, and choose the Horde votes over the generous Jewish donors.

    Watch the 'moderate' Dems say a few words supportive of Israel at the next Dem convention, then listen to the cascade of boos, from the Horde and their dingbat white allies. We saw a few in Philadelphia, but count the Palestinian flags waving at the next one. Watch the hijabis lecture the crowd about 'who we are.'
  81. Probably some selection effect amongst married couples. Conservatives will get married younger. As urban liberal millennial and Gen Z members get married in their 30s the longitudinal support for Trump amongst married couples might wane.

    • Agree: Lot
  82. @Marty T
    Well many of the educated whites over the next few generations will be "tainted" as you say. Because of intermarriage, Jews are really just becoming another white ethnic group mixture. In the area I live there are many Italian-Jewish and Irish-Jewish couples.

    The only pure Jews will be the Orthodox and Hasidic, who vote strongly Republican.

    @74 Marty T: “The only pure Jews will be the Orthodox and Hasidic, who vote strongly Republican.”

    What a typically boomer/TradCon comment, blind to racial reality. First, Hasids are heavily inbred. Lots of uncle/niece or first and 2nd cousin marriage. Second, many of them barely speak English and know little to nothing of anything outside their Talmud. Third, they vote Repuke because Repukes support them over the Mohammedans (and covet all the big (((donor))) dollars), not because they have any understanding of or love for ordered liberty and Western Christendom. Like Negroes, the Orthodox/Hasids vote for the gibs. But to someone who still sees this as D versus R instead of uniparty globalists versus ethnonationalists, I suppose it means . . . something or other.

    And I would heavily bet (if I had any spare cash to do so) that the offspring of your Irish/Italian/Jewish marriages strongly identify as culturally part Jewish, support open immigration because of ‘muh ancestors,’ and have no clue about let alone emotional bonding with a settler nation. Ellis Island immigrant descendants helped open the door to the third world horde, and they are only minimally American themselves. And I say this, unfortunately, as a descendant of Ellis Island immigrants.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    have no clue about let alone emotional bonding with a settler nation. Ellis Island immigrant descendants helped open the door to the third world horde, and they are only minimally American themselves. And I say this, unfortunately, as a descendant of Ellis Island immigrants.
     
    As a descendant of settlers from the 1600’s and 1700’s, I would say “God Bless you” except I’m a nonbeliever. So let me just say thank you instead.
    , @EldnaYm
    Excellent and realistic post. The sentiment expressed in the second paragraph in particular is one which is rarely heard nowadays.
  83. @German_reader

    Which part of “most Trump supporters don’t have Jews on the brain disease” do you not understand?
     
    This comment wasn't about Trump supporters in general, but about Jewish supporters of Trump (and btw, Audacious epigone obviously has Jews on the brain, otherwise he wouldn't have written that post).
    Audacious epigone claims there's convergence between Jews and white gentiles in the US because of immigration or other domestic US issues.
    But I don't see he's demonstrated that. Trump is the most extreme pro-Zionist president the US has ever had (not even Bush II went that far on the Jerusalem issue or Israeli settlements). Audacious epigone has no way of telling, why Jews support Trump (because of his immigration agenda? Or because of his extreme pro-Israel stance? How would things be if he took a more moderate position, e.g. like the elder Bush?), so his analysis strikes me as superficial.
    Not that I care much, in my opinion you're pretty much fucked in the US anyway, and Trump won't save you either.

    you’re pretty much fucked in the US anyway, and Trump won’t save you either.

    Only the hopelessly optimistic among us and the evangelicals (but I repeat myself don’t I) would argue that point. Likewise however, you’ll soon enough be answering the muezzins call and your daughters joining harems so at least we’re all fucked together.

  84. @iffen
    Audacious epigone obviously has Jews on the brain, otherwise he wouldn’t have written that post).

    We’ll see. Just writing about Jews doesn’t qualify. Finding a JQ angle in every post might qualify.

    Audacious epigone has no way of telling, why Jews support Trump

    The graph shows that the younger the Jew, the more likely he is to support Trump. That’s a good thing.

    and Trump won’t save you either

    Maybe not, but he is a step in the right direction.

    FWIW, Trump got votes for supporting Israel. If he wasn't a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.

    FWIW, Trump got votes for supporting Israel. If he wasn’t a supporter of Israel, he would have lost votes.

    Votes schmotes, voting isn’t going to get us out of this.

  85. @iffen
    After the election of Trump, the elections of AOC and Rashida Tlaib are the best election results we've had.

    the elections of AOC and Rashida Tlaib are the best election results we’ve had.

    At risk of sounding like Mr Pewitt, I have to say I keep telling you guys. The HBD Mitten leads the Nation. We’re number one in negroes, number one in Arabs, top five in orientals (just count the Jap car companies here!), number one in working class whites voting for their own extermination, number one in golf courses (hadda throw that in for you Sailer fanboys), number one in boat registrations, number one in worst economy since surpassing Mississippi in ‘05 or so, and obviously Detriot is the future of America (or some kinda peninsular hybrid Detriot/Miasmi).

    Hail to the Victors, Go Brown! President Tlaib has a certain ring to it no?

    Anybody wanna buy some water? We got a couple lakes we can sell cheap..

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    The HBD Mitten leads the Nation. We’re number one in negroes ...
     
    The HBD mitten is not even in the top 10 in negros. (You've got less than half as many as Georgia, NY, Florida and Texas each of which has over 3 million.)
  86. @Counterinsurgency

    Some humility would go a long way.
     
    The complaints of the various minorities are well founded. They have organized because they _cannot_ integrate into Enlightenment based industrial society. The last decade or so (or perhaps the last 50 years, since AD 1968 or so) have shown that industrial society cannot carry the load that the various minorities have become. Industrial society is living on debt and its infrastructure now.

    So: _You_ need a little humility. The Enlightenment is not the "End of History". The book _The End of History_ was actually so simple minded that it was painful to read, and the actual "End of History" we have today has proven so painful to live in that _everybody_ in the industrial world is revolting.

    The Postmodernists say that only by further handicapping Whites in general and White men in particular ("White" is their term, not mine) will the various minority groups be able to live in Enlightenment based industrial society, and the various minority groups agree. Attempting to grant further handicapping, or even maintaining current levels, will make industrial society impossible to maintain. To repeat myself, industrial society is living on debt and its infrastructure _now_. It has to repay its debt and renew its infrastructure or we will lose it.

    So: Be a bit humble. The system you live in and on is vanishing, and your only answer to that is saying "shut up and sit down". The argument that "You are all SOBs, everybody knows it, so shut up and sit down." is an insult followed by a command without authority. You clearly don't have answers for anybody, even yourself. Drop the cosmic all-knowing narrator pose. Be humble, and think rather than strut. You might even like it.

    Counterinsurgency

    “shut up and sit down”

    All true my friend, but I prefer “shut up and GTFO”

    Expulsion is the only true remedy. Anything less than that is putting a bandaid on a cut artery. Repatriation is the answer.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    You do what you can.

    At present, only one side is demanding expulsion, and that's only expulsion from the body politic.

    Counterinsurgency
  87. @Audacious Epigone
    But Trump’s biggest failing is his consistent failure to reward his base: White people. He spends huge amounts of time boasting that black and hispanic unemployment is at a record low – to no avail. They won’t vote for him. Rust belt whites could do, and there he has been completely lacksidal.

    Agree emphatically. That goes a long way in articulating why I think he is transitional. He is providing a template that more savvy and more focused pols will be able to exploit with greater success--and better results.

    You’re sounding like a real optimist AE. Don’t you really know, in your heart of hearts, the pendulum has swung too far for any kind of democratic reprieve? That inevitably the pendulum will swing back too far in our direction and our salvation will come in the form of some American Pinochet? We have what? A hundred million aliens with zero cultural or genetic ties to our ten thousand year old civilizational history. That doesn’t get voted away. Either we collapse into chaos with nukes or our military effects a coup and averts the nuclear nightmare.

    You kids today keep forgetting what us Xers can never forget – too many years spent doing nuclear drills at school hiding under our desks as if that would help. Without a coup, the best we can hope for is the wisdom SA possessed in dismantling and destroying the arsenal before the savages take control.

    Alternatively, if you can afford it, emigrate to Chile or New Zealand.

  88. @Feryl
    Both parties abandoned the Rust Belt in the 1990's. Not only does the GOP not want to renege on their pandering to Big Ag. and the Sun Belt since the 80's, even most elite Dems aren't interested in restoring a broad middle class society with generous helpings of unionized manufacturing. Now granted, the proles outside of the Rust-Belt aren't getting much service either, but then, both parties have been losing more and more interest in proles with each passing decade.

    Trump in the 2016 primary and general election was able to essentially convert many Americans into Buchananites, amplified by Bernie's failure causing most mid-lower class whites to realize that the Dems didn't care about them.

    Forward to 2019; Trump has been using the Reaganite playbook thoroughly, focusing on crime and disorder, while not signalling a move away from supply-sideism. From time to time he remembers what got him elected and steps on the Pentagon's toes (the best part of his presidency bar none). On immigration he's done 1/10 of what he promised, or at least, implied. Some of that is due to lawfare, but not all of it (for one thing he's never been good at vocally criticizing high levels of "skilled" immigration, which is just a continuation of Reaganite immigration policies). On healthcare he stinks, and he's never really seemed to care that much about the issue either way during his presidency.

    You can't really blame Trump for the fact that Boomers and X-ers, in the mid-upper echelons of the respective coalitions which make up the true base of each party (media, entertainment, academia, and law for the Dems, agribusiness, energy, the military for the GOP), have become arrogantly elitist, entirely dismissive of America's middle class being shredded for 30 years. Elites (and near elites) are betraying us in order for them to get fatter and fatter. You wonder just how far they'll keep pushing their BS. In theory, in the near future their should be a major event that becomes the fulcrum on which the new beginning of our society rests. It could be a civil war, caused by insoluble differences between certain ethnic groups/political coalitions. It could be a foreign war, which would ideally be caused by a seriously threatening "actor" (not just another group of loosely organized Muslims turning Western tools and training against the West itself). It could also be a sobering economic crisis or "malaise" used to cause long lasting changes/reforms (like what FDR did in the 1930's after the Depression, or what Reagan and Clinton did in the 80's and 90's after the 70's "stagflation").

    Neil Howe says that poorly regarded presidents are often the victim of bad timing, as major problems don't assert themselves until 3-5 years into the presidency. See LBJ (Vietnam going sour), Nixon (Watergate), Carter ("malaise" and the hostage crisis), and both Bushes (early 90's recession, many things for Bush 2). Howe said a couple years ago that Trump ideally, like Reagan or Clinton, could've come into office during a time of low consumer and political confidence, and used that sentiment to enact significant reforms. But Trump's only major break from the past is reluctance to continue Pax Americana, which, actually, is something that Obama (!) started (Hilary had to constantly goad him into being more confrontational toward Iran et al, and Obama reportedly was against the Libya disaster from the get-go).

    Elites (and near elites) are betraying us in order for them to get fatter and fatter. You wonder just how far they’ll keep pushing their BS. In theory, in the near future their should be a major event that becomes the fulcrum on which the new beginning of our society rests.

    I had a conversation with a late boomer lawyer about this today. He, and a hundred thousand others in my over-educated County, thinks himself a quasi-elite when I pointed out the laughability of his premise. Professors, doctors, lawyers, etc, are just better indoctrinated proles. There are maybe two or three actual elites here like Billy Ford (since Monaghan left I think we’ve only got two now). If you have to ask whether you’re in the club, you’re not and never will be in the club. A net worth of $10,000,000 doesn’t come remotely close to an “elite” these days. Jack White, Marshall Mathers, Ted Nugent, Vincent Fournier, Bob Seger, and Bob Ritchie (for you music mavens) are not elites. A buck ain’t what it used to be.

    The question is how do we prove to these self-aggrandizing fools that they’re just slightly more prosperous serfs who can be squashed as easily as any hourly wage laborers? Or do they secretly already know it and that explains their slavish devotion to the Narrative? Terror at the prospect of losing their Barton Hills ZIP code and having to live in Ypsilanti with the Michituckians and negroes or Canton with the gooks?

    Another question is how do we recruit more (relatively) redpilled elites like our Prince, DeVos, and Van Andel families here in the HBD Mitten? How do we prevent them from becoming Fords?

    I use HBD Mitten examples, but could just as easily use S Fla, Cleveland or Columbus, hell – anywhere really.

    By the way, did I mention that I have a Great Lake for sale?

  89. @216

    Some of that is due to lawfare, but not all of it (for one thing he’s never been good at vocally criticizing high levels of “skilled” immigration, which is just a continuation of Reaganite immigration policies).
     
    It's an old trope on Boomer gun forums to blame the "flipping" of WA, OR, TX, CO, VA etc on "migrating Californians" and said Californian is always implicitly white. The data clearly doesn't bear this out, its the international migrants that are flipping the states. Now, FL as mentioned earlier, was significantly flipped by internal migrants, namely New York Jews. But expect tiptoeing around that.


    Boomercons are largely clueless and stupidly think "legal immigrants vote GOP and hate the illegals". Only existing in the 90% white BoomerBubble would lead one to think that. Trump is sadly a product of that bubble.

    Now, FL as mentioned earlier, was significantly flipped by internal migrants, namely New York Jews.

    Plus Puerto Ricans. But to ignore the LatAm takeover of S Fla, Miami-Dade & Broward, is a mistake. And Central Fla has in addition to the PRs, a huge Mexican labor population. Look at The Villages for example. The owner/developer was (and his kids are) a staunch conservative but The Villages was built with Mexican labor. FL is a lot like the HBD Mitten insofar as the dichotomy between liberal east coast and conservative west coast with crackers and rednecks in the middle and up north. Peninsula Power! The Mitten just doesn’t (yet) have the LatAm/Mexican invasion (but we are diligently working to catch up and we have the Arabs and Orientals – so eat it Florida!)..

    • Replies: @216

    When compared to Trump’s support in 2016, both Scott and DeSantis shed 18 percentage points’ worth of college-educated white women. According to 2016 exit polls, Trump won 60 percent of these women, while Scott and DeSantis won only 42 percent. That trend spells disaster for the GOP in 2020.
     
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/11/14/florida_exit_polls_reveal_tough_2020_fight_for_trump_138644.html

    Presumably Rick Scott had a "personal vote" from some PRs that appreciated his shilling for more disaster aid. DeSantis made far too many gaffes. I have a more detailed explanation here. Scott was worthless as Governor on immigration, failing to get E-Verify mandated because of "muh farms".


    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/predictions-for-2018-midterms/#comment-2664019
  90. @Stan d Mute

    Now, FL as mentioned earlier, was significantly flipped by internal migrants, namely New York Jews.
     
    Plus Puerto Ricans. But to ignore the LatAm takeover of S Fla, Miami-Dade & Broward, is a mistake. And Central Fla has in addition to the PRs, a huge Mexican labor population. Look at The Villages for example. The owner/developer was (and his kids are) a staunch conservative but The Villages was built with Mexican labor. FL is a lot like the HBD Mitten insofar as the dichotomy between liberal east coast and conservative west coast with crackers and rednecks in the middle and up north. Peninsula Power! The Mitten just doesn’t (yet) have the LatAm/Mexican invasion (but we are diligently working to catch up and we have the Arabs and Orientals - so eat it Florida!)..

    When compared to Trump’s support in 2016, both Scott and DeSantis shed 18 percentage points’ worth of college-educated white women. According to 2016 exit polls, Trump won 60 percent of these women, while Scott and DeSantis won only 42 percent. That trend spells disaster for the GOP in 2020.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/11/14/florida_exit_polls_reveal_tough_2020_fight_for_trump_138644.html

    Presumably Rick Scott had a “personal vote” from some PRs that appreciated his shilling for more disaster aid. DeSantis made far too many gaffes. I have a more detailed explanation here. Scott was worthless as Governor on immigration, failing to get E-Verify mandated because of “muh farms”.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/predictions-for-2018-midterms/#comment-2664019

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    So much for Rosie’s “all hail white women” bullshit huh? But the ship is going down regardless, voting won’t stop it but merely delay the inevitable. The Peninsulas are our canaries in this coal mine. The Rs abandonment of the working class, in the Mitten Peninsula where everyone except pukes like Mittens Romney has working class roots, combined with the Ds pandering to the immigrants the Rs want to replace us with in the South Peninsula, spells just one thing: Doom.
  91. @3g4me
    @74 Marty T: "The only pure Jews will be the Orthodox and Hasidic, who vote strongly Republican."

    What a typically boomer/TradCon comment, blind to racial reality. First, Hasids are heavily inbred. Lots of uncle/niece or first and 2nd cousin marriage. Second, many of them barely speak English and know little to nothing of anything outside their Talmud. Third, they vote Repuke because Repukes support them over the Mohammedans (and covet all the big (((donor))) dollars), not because they have any understanding of or love for ordered liberty and Western Christendom. Like Negroes, the Orthodox/Hasids vote for the gibs. But to someone who still sees this as D versus R instead of uniparty globalists versus ethnonationalists, I suppose it means . . . something or other.

    And I would heavily bet (if I had any spare cash to do so) that the offspring of your Irish/Italian/Jewish marriages strongly identify as culturally part Jewish, support open immigration because of 'muh ancestors,' and have no clue about let alone emotional bonding with a settler nation. Ellis Island immigrant descendants helped open the door to the third world horde, and they are only minimally American themselves. And I say this, unfortunately, as a descendant of Ellis Island immigrants.

    have no clue about let alone emotional bonding with a settler nation. Ellis Island immigrant descendants helped open the door to the third world horde, and they are only minimally American themselves. And I say this, unfortunately, as a descendant of Ellis Island immigrants.

    As a descendant of settlers from the 1600’s and 1700’s, I would say “God Bless you” except I’m a nonbeliever. So let me just say thank you instead.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @92 Stan d Mute: You are most welcome. I can only speak the truth as I see it. FWIW, while well aware of my genetics, I find myself most comfortable and at home with heritage Americans. My dearest friend's family arrived here in the 1600s, and considers me her long-lost sister. And my dream home/location is also among such people - decent, hard working, loyal, honest, independent, and generous to a fault. To live and die among such - and have one's descendants be accepted as an adopted part of such - would be a great blessing.

    As far as your nonbelief, I was once such too - so never say never!
  92. @216

    When compared to Trump’s support in 2016, both Scott and DeSantis shed 18 percentage points’ worth of college-educated white women. According to 2016 exit polls, Trump won 60 percent of these women, while Scott and DeSantis won only 42 percent. That trend spells disaster for the GOP in 2020.
     
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/11/14/florida_exit_polls_reveal_tough_2020_fight_for_trump_138644.html

    Presumably Rick Scott had a "personal vote" from some PRs that appreciated his shilling for more disaster aid. DeSantis made far too many gaffes. I have a more detailed explanation here. Scott was worthless as Governor on immigration, failing to get E-Verify mandated because of "muh farms".


    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/predictions-for-2018-midterms/#comment-2664019

    So much for Rosie’s “all hail white women” bullshit huh? But the ship is going down regardless, voting won’t stop it but merely delay the inevitable. The Peninsulas are our canaries in this coal mine. The Rs abandonment of the working class, in the Mitten Peninsula where everyone except pukes like Mittens Romney has working class roots, combined with the Ds pandering to the immigrants the Rs want to replace us with in the South Peninsula, spells just one thing: Doom.

  93. @3g4me
    @74 Marty T: "The only pure Jews will be the Orthodox and Hasidic, who vote strongly Republican."

    What a typically boomer/TradCon comment, blind to racial reality. First, Hasids are heavily inbred. Lots of uncle/niece or first and 2nd cousin marriage. Second, many of them barely speak English and know little to nothing of anything outside their Talmud. Third, they vote Repuke because Repukes support them over the Mohammedans (and covet all the big (((donor))) dollars), not because they have any understanding of or love for ordered liberty and Western Christendom. Like Negroes, the Orthodox/Hasids vote for the gibs. But to someone who still sees this as D versus R instead of uniparty globalists versus ethnonationalists, I suppose it means . . . something or other.

    And I would heavily bet (if I had any spare cash to do so) that the offspring of your Irish/Italian/Jewish marriages strongly identify as culturally part Jewish, support open immigration because of 'muh ancestors,' and have no clue about let alone emotional bonding with a settler nation. Ellis Island immigrant descendants helped open the door to the third world horde, and they are only minimally American themselves. And I say this, unfortunately, as a descendant of Ellis Island immigrants.

    Excellent and realistic post. The sentiment expressed in the second paragraph in particular is one which is rarely heard nowadays.

  94. @Stan d Mute

    “shut up and sit down”
     
    All true my friend, but I prefer “shut up and GTFO”

    Expulsion is the only true remedy. Anything less than that is putting a bandaid on a cut artery. Repatriation is the answer.

    You do what you can.

    At present, only one side is demanding expulsion, and that’s only expulsion from the body politic.

    Counterinsurgency

  95. A recurring theme here is that Jews in America are either going to have throw in with the Heritage American whites they’ve long despised–if Heritage America will have them–or face the brown invasion in isolation.

    At present, Judaism has been resisting assimilation since the Babylonian Captivity, 600 BC or so. It has been resisting Christianity since the year AD zero or so. That’s something like 2000 to 2600 years. That’s enough to influence a population pretty thoroughly. I seriously doubt if Judaism _can_ be assimilated and, if it can be assimilated by any society, that society certainly won’t be Christian. The Golden Age of Judaism in the US is over, and that was the best offer they will ever get. And it was declined. Ask the Orthodox Jews if you don’t believe me.

    One of the stranger facts about contemporary Reform Judaism is that more of its members define Judaism as ‘victims of the Holocaust” than as “Believers in God.” It’s almost as though resisting assimilation is more important than God.

    So: not a real choice. Something like “A recurring theme here is that Jews in America are either going to have to become total conformists and never make sarcastic comments, or else face the brown invasion in isolation.”

    Counterinsurgency

  96. Anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    Based Jews aren’t the rarity they used to be. Ruth Bader Ginsburg can rest in Gehenna knowing she is being replaced with this:

    “This” is not your bright future. “This” is you falling for the oldest continuously exercised trick in the Jewish playbook.

    Question:

    Are “based” Jews more or less likely to take their Torah (the combined Tanakh, Talmud, and Kabbalah books) seriously?

    The answer is more. Because the answer is more, you cannot trust a single thing that they do.

    The entire goal is to eradicate all other nations, as repeatedly and directly expressed throughout the entirety of their Torah.

    You are not their special exception.

    Remember who is in charge of Israel. Its not Reform Jews, although their actual goals do not differ in form. Its the Orthodox. Orthodox Jewish beliefs drive Jewish action across the board, throughout the world. Orthodox Jews do not care about a Jewish future in the United States as it today exists.

    In fact, to fulfill their so called prophecies, there will be a period in which all Jews will be strongly compelled to return to Israel. That needs to happen for their prophecies to be fulfilled. How will that occur? Through increasing anti-Jewish sentiment in the West. So called “based” Jews have as much interest in flooding this nation with Jewish hostile non-Whites as does the average communist.

    How the rest of their prophecy plays out is mere detail. It goes something like this:

    social chaos (caused by Jews) eventually breaks down into international and intranational (civil) wars throughout the West.

    Most people are genocided, to include a lot of Jews, but the remnant of goyim that remains then, out of desperation, pledges loyalty to an Israeli King who from then on effectively rules the world.

    See their books, to include modern Rabbinical commentary, for the rest of the details as to what that will look like.

    That’s Judaism 101. It’s basic bitch stuff. No one should be writing articles on Jews without this context that comes with basic research on Judaism, with all due respect.

  97. @Stan d Mute

    have no clue about let alone emotional bonding with a settler nation. Ellis Island immigrant descendants helped open the door to the third world horde, and they are only minimally American themselves. And I say this, unfortunately, as a descendant of Ellis Island immigrants.
     
    As a descendant of settlers from the 1600’s and 1700’s, I would say “God Bless you” except I’m a nonbeliever. So let me just say thank you instead.

    @92 Stan d Mute: You are most welcome. I can only speak the truth as I see it. FWIW, while well aware of my genetics, I find myself most comfortable and at home with heritage Americans. My dearest friend’s family arrived here in the 1600s, and considers me her long-lost sister. And my dream home/location is also among such people – decent, hard working, loyal, honest, independent, and generous to a fault. To live and die among such – and have one’s descendants be accepted as an adopted part of such – would be a great blessing.

    As far as your nonbelief, I was once such too – so never say never!

  98. @Stan d Mute

    the elections of AOC and Rashida Tlaib are the best election results we’ve had.
     
    At risk of sounding like Mr Pewitt, I have to say I keep telling you guys. The HBD Mitten leads the Nation. We’re number one in negroes, number one in Arabs, top five in orientals (just count the Jap car companies here!), number one in working class whites voting for their own extermination, number one in golf courses (hadda throw that in for you Sailer fanboys), number one in boat registrations, number one in worst economy since surpassing Mississippi in ‘05 or so, and obviously Detriot is the future of America (or some kinda peninsular hybrid Detriot/Miasmi).

    Hail to the Victors, Go Brown! President Tlaib has a certain ring to it no?

    Anybody wanna buy some water? We got a couple lakes we can sell cheap..

    The HBD Mitten leads the Nation. We’re number one in negroes …

    The HBD mitten is not even in the top 10 in negros. (You’ve got less than half as many as Georgia, NY, Florida and Texas each of which has over 3 million.)

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    The HBD mitten is not even in the top 10 in negros. (You’ve got less than half as many as Georgia, NY, Florida and Texas each of which has over 3 million.)
     
    It’s quality not quantity that counts. Can GA, NY, FL, or TX negroes put on a good riot like ours? Can they match our negroes’ murder rates year after year? Can they bog down their police departments with 15,000 untested rape kits? No. Hell no.

    Ask any negro who the scariest negroes are and you’ll hear “Detroit” or “Flint” (for those who truly know), not “Atlanta” or “Harlem” or “Dallas” or even “Little Haiti”.

    QED - the HBD Mitten stands at the pinnacle of negrohood. I’m still lobbying for “Go Blue” to be replaced with “Go Brown” but some damn Ohioan trademarked the term.
  99. @Audacious Epigone
    Is it conceivable that the differences between white gentiles and Jews will in the future be comparable to the differences white Protestants and Catholics 50 years ago? Seems so to me.

    It seems clear to me that the hordes of non-whites from all over the world don’t make any distinction, nor do they give a fig about the JQ.

    I know a good number of Jews, non-religious and educated, who recognize this. They know that they enjoy ‘white privilege’ as much as any WASP male, including the dubious privilege . Non-whites do not care that their grandmother was a Freedom Rider.

    Likewise, the Islamic Hordes do not care if you put parentheses around every Jewish reporter’s name, hate Israel and support the creation of a 52nd Muslim state in Palestine. They want al-Andalus, too, and after that Rome. Then they want you to convert. Laugh it up if you want; Muslims are playing the long game.

    Jewish votes don’t matter much in any given election in the U.S., but they matter in some specific races, Congressional districts, etc. Much more important is the financial support for the parties.

    The Democrat party heads inexorably toward its destiny as a version of Corbyn’s Labor Party, which is England’s version of the Sonderkommando for its native population. Eventually they will do the same math the L.P. did, and choose the Horde votes over the generous Jewish donors.

    Watch the ‘moderate’ Dems say a few words supportive of Israel at the next Dem convention, then listen to the cascade of boos, from the Horde and their dingbat white allies. We saw a few in Philadelphia, but count the Palestinian flags waving at the next one. Watch the hijabis lecture the crowd about ‘who we are.’

  100. @AnotherDad

    The HBD Mitten leads the Nation. We’re number one in negroes ...
     
    The HBD mitten is not even in the top 10 in negros. (You've got less than half as many as Georgia, NY, Florida and Texas each of which has over 3 million.)

    The HBD mitten is not even in the top 10 in negros. (You’ve got less than half as many as Georgia, NY, Florida and Texas each of which has over 3 million.)

    It’s quality not quantity that counts. Can GA, NY, FL, or TX negroes put on a good riot like ours? Can they match our negroes’ murder rates year after year? Can they bog down their police departments with 15,000 untested rape kits? No. Hell no.

    Ask any negro who the scariest negroes are and you’ll hear “Detroit” or “Flint” (for those who truly know), not “Atlanta” or “Harlem” or “Dallas” or even “Little Haiti”.

    QED – the HBD Mitten stands at the pinnacle of negrohood. I’m still lobbying for “Go Blue” to be replaced with “Go Brown” but some damn Ohioan trademarked the term.

  101. That crazy Dutch girl would be toast in five minutes in Australia.

    Though she’d probably get kicked to death trying to cuddle a kangaroo before she even got to the snakes.

  102. @216
    I was speaking more about Asians, vis-à-vis Hispanics. Boomercons do seem to think that Hispanics are either "natural conservatives" alienated by anti-immigrant rhetoric, or "radical socialists" like Chavez.

    But from the Reganite perspective, Asian immigrants are the highest achieving and least complaining, they also score the best on most social indicators. But they increasingly despise the GOP, far more than in the Bush years. Boomercons don't get this, having never encountered such gems like r/hapa and r/Asianmasculinity or even the left-center r/AsianAmerican.

    I think there is a tendency to recognize that it is socially acceptable to bash white liberals moving from CA to CO, but not to bash an Asian immigrant moving to CO from India or China. Is that a deference to the immigrant being in the professional class? Or is it cowardice to criticize a non-white?

    The unpopular truth for the Right is that Anti-Islamic actions are probably the biggest driver of Asian movement towards the Dems. Minority communities have long memories of the "lone nuts" mistaking and killing, Sikhs and Hindus for Muslims. Given high Boomer divorce rates, I don't expect any of them to start praising Muslims for superior family values anytime soon.

    “I was speaking more about Asians, vis-à-vis Hispanics. Boomercons do seem to think that Hispanics are either “natural conservatives” alienated by anti-immigrant rhetoric, or “radical socialists” like Chavez.”

    “But from the Reganite perspective, Asian immigrants are the highest achieving and least complaining, they also score the best on most social indicators. But they increasingly despise the GOP, far more than in the Bush years. Boomercons don’t get this, having never encountered such gems like r/hapa and r/Asianmasculinity or even the left-center r/AsianAmerican.”

    For older conservative and moderate people, in the more or less mainstream of generational culture, American blacks are always enemy #1. They’re called lazy, annoying, loud, and always blamed for American cities falling apart in the 70’s. ANYTHING is considered an improvement over American blacks. Adam Carolla, for example, rarely is critical of high immigration levels or “ethnic” culture except in so far as the people involved don’t measure up to the standard set by Asians. But the idea that America’s unique Anglo-Dutch-Teutonic-Celtic-Gaelic (white) derived culture is something worth recognizing and protecting? Heresy to most middle aged and elderly whites, Carolla included (Trump won by appealing to Rust belt blue collar whites, not by igniting a nascent cultural nationalist movement among older whites across the country; Trump did not do particularly well in the Reagan heartland of the suburban Sunbelt and West, but he did do much better in small towns across the entire Eastern US, not including some of New England. Back in the 70’s and 80’s, older generations of whites bought into the idea that whites were lazy and dishonest (albeit not to the degree of blacks) , and thus the stage was set for the destruction of the labor movement (which in those decades was over 80% white). This is a self-fulfilling prophecy to some extent, because when you undermine the dignity of mid-lower class white people for over 40 years, sure enough, many whites would now rather chow on opiates, live in the sticks away from the hordes of aliens and status climbers, or collect SSI. Today’s corrupt intellectual class prefers two approaches to this problem of white decline: 1) UBI for a now useless class of lower skilled native born whites (and blacks/Mexican-Americans). 2) Encourage those in the declining hinterlands to go to trendy areas so as to try and compete in today’s ruthless winner take all climate.

    The painful lessons of the Progressive era, which laid the ground for the glory of New Deal America, have all been forgotten. These days Management is always to be favored over labor, the rich get what they deserve and needn’t do more than token charity for the poor, and nativism is for lazy losers.

    “I think there is a tendency to recognize that it is socially acceptable to bash white liberals moving from CA to CO, but not to bash an Asian immigrant moving to CO from India or China. Is that a deference to the immigrant being in the professional class? Or is it cowardice to criticize a non-white?”

    A striver is still a striver. Actual mobility among Americas was much higher in the 1940’s-1970’s, suggesting that transplanting is acceptable as long as those who are doing it remain modest and in touch with normal mores. What’s created resentment over native mobility over the last 40 years is that many of these modern transplants are arrogant and shameless yuppies. By the 80’s, we were getting horror movies that reflected the anxiety of middle class people who felt that they couldn’t trust or really get to know their neighbors and co-workers anymore. This anxiety didn’t exist in the 50’s or 60’s, since really, there weren’t hardly any assholes just looking out for themselves back then.

    • Replies: @iffen
    UBI for a now useless class of lower skilled native born whites (and blacks/Mexican-Americans).


    UBI is the way forward.
    , @Stan d Mute
    You’re correct that this has been ongoing since at least the 1970’s when we saw GM begin abandoning its birthplace in Flint in earnest. It accelerated in the 80’s but the 80’s crash put the brakes on for a few years. The biggest headlong rush however was post 9/11. Whether it was 9/11 itself or it was the failure of Y2K to change anything except the dotcom bubble burst I’m not sure, but I saw a HUGE boom in nest feathering among upper middle class and especially entrepreneurial types beginning in ‘01 and continuing through today.

    Towns like Detriot, Columbus, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Indy, Chicongo, Cincinnati, all followed the pattern. Screw anybody or anything else, I’m getting mine. The wealthiest also began buying bolt holes in New Zealand and southern South America (Argentina mostly but the smarter ones bought in Chile). The mega rich like Dart, DeVos, Van Andel, etc began earnestly building exile kingdoms (ie Dart’s Caribbean island quasi-nation). I could give more examples but I’m lazy and probably not telling anything you haven’t noticed already. Formerly very civic minded mega rich like Karmanos, Monaghan, Illitch, Davidson, and Penske pulled back and also quietly developed bolt holes leaving the civic stuff to outliers like Dan Gilbert. Prechter even offed himself. It was a major inflection point that nobody seems interested in noticing.
  103. @Feryl
    "I was speaking more about Asians, vis-à-vis Hispanics. Boomercons do seem to think that Hispanics are either “natural conservatives” alienated by anti-immigrant rhetoric, or “radical socialists” like Chavez."

    "But from the Reganite perspective, Asian immigrants are the highest achieving and least complaining, they also score the best on most social indicators. But they increasingly despise the GOP, far more than in the Bush years. Boomercons don’t get this, having never encountered such gems like r/hapa and r/Asianmasculinity or even the left-center r/AsianAmerican."

    For older conservative and moderate people, in the more or less mainstream of generational culture, American blacks are always enemy #1. They're called lazy, annoying, loud, and always blamed for American cities falling apart in the 70's. ANYTHING is considered an improvement over American blacks. Adam Carolla, for example, rarely is critical of high immigration levels or "ethnic" culture except in so far as the people involved don't measure up to the standard set by Asians. But the idea that America's unique Anglo-Dutch-Teutonic-Celtic-Gaelic (white) derived culture is something worth recognizing and protecting? Heresy to most middle aged and elderly whites, Carolla included (Trump won by appealing to Rust belt blue collar whites, not by igniting a nascent cultural nationalist movement among older whites across the country; Trump did not do particularly well in the Reagan heartland of the suburban Sunbelt and West, but he did do much better in small towns across the entire Eastern US, not including some of New England. Back in the 70's and 80's, older generations of whites bought into the idea that whites were lazy and dishonest (albeit not to the degree of blacks) , and thus the stage was set for the destruction of the labor movement (which in those decades was over 80% white). This is a self-fulfilling prophecy to some extent, because when you undermine the dignity of mid-lower class white people for over 40 years, sure enough, many whites would now rather chow on opiates, live in the sticks away from the hordes of aliens and status climbers, or collect SSI. Today's corrupt intellectual class prefers two approaches to this problem of white decline: 1) UBI for a now useless class of lower skilled native born whites (and blacks/Mexican-Americans). 2) Encourage those in the declining hinterlands to go to trendy areas so as to try and compete in today's ruthless winner take all climate.

    The painful lessons of the Progressive era, which laid the ground for the glory of New Deal America, have all been forgotten. These days Management is always to be favored over labor, the rich get what they deserve and needn't do more than token charity for the poor, and nativism is for lazy losers.

    "I think there is a tendency to recognize that it is socially acceptable to bash white liberals moving from CA to CO, but not to bash an Asian immigrant moving to CO from India or China. Is that a deference to the immigrant being in the professional class? Or is it cowardice to criticize a non-white?"


    A striver is still a striver. Actual mobility among Americas was much higher in the 1940's-1970's, suggesting that transplanting is acceptable as long as those who are doing it remain modest and in touch with normal mores. What's created resentment over native mobility over the last 40 years is that many of these modern transplants are arrogant and shameless yuppies. By the 80's, we were getting horror movies that reflected the anxiety of middle class people who felt that they couldn't trust or really get to know their neighbors and co-workers anymore. This anxiety didn't exist in the 50's or 60's, since really, there weren't hardly any assholes just looking out for themselves back then.

    UBI for a now useless class of lower skilled native born whites (and blacks/Mexican-Americans).

    UBI is the way forward.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    UBI is the way forward.
     
    Only if paired with eugenics.
  104. @Feryl
    "I was speaking more about Asians, vis-à-vis Hispanics. Boomercons do seem to think that Hispanics are either “natural conservatives” alienated by anti-immigrant rhetoric, or “radical socialists” like Chavez."

    "But from the Reganite perspective, Asian immigrants are the highest achieving and least complaining, they also score the best on most social indicators. But they increasingly despise the GOP, far more than in the Bush years. Boomercons don’t get this, having never encountered such gems like r/hapa and r/Asianmasculinity or even the left-center r/AsianAmerican."

    For older conservative and moderate people, in the more or less mainstream of generational culture, American blacks are always enemy #1. They're called lazy, annoying, loud, and always blamed for American cities falling apart in the 70's. ANYTHING is considered an improvement over American blacks. Adam Carolla, for example, rarely is critical of high immigration levels or "ethnic" culture except in so far as the people involved don't measure up to the standard set by Asians. But the idea that America's unique Anglo-Dutch-Teutonic-Celtic-Gaelic (white) derived culture is something worth recognizing and protecting? Heresy to most middle aged and elderly whites, Carolla included (Trump won by appealing to Rust belt blue collar whites, not by igniting a nascent cultural nationalist movement among older whites across the country; Trump did not do particularly well in the Reagan heartland of the suburban Sunbelt and West, but he did do much better in small towns across the entire Eastern US, not including some of New England. Back in the 70's and 80's, older generations of whites bought into the idea that whites were lazy and dishonest (albeit not to the degree of blacks) , and thus the stage was set for the destruction of the labor movement (which in those decades was over 80% white). This is a self-fulfilling prophecy to some extent, because when you undermine the dignity of mid-lower class white people for over 40 years, sure enough, many whites would now rather chow on opiates, live in the sticks away from the hordes of aliens and status climbers, or collect SSI. Today's corrupt intellectual class prefers two approaches to this problem of white decline: 1) UBI for a now useless class of lower skilled native born whites (and blacks/Mexican-Americans). 2) Encourage those in the declining hinterlands to go to trendy areas so as to try and compete in today's ruthless winner take all climate.

    The painful lessons of the Progressive era, which laid the ground for the glory of New Deal America, have all been forgotten. These days Management is always to be favored over labor, the rich get what they deserve and needn't do more than token charity for the poor, and nativism is for lazy losers.

    "I think there is a tendency to recognize that it is socially acceptable to bash white liberals moving from CA to CO, but not to bash an Asian immigrant moving to CO from India or China. Is that a deference to the immigrant being in the professional class? Or is it cowardice to criticize a non-white?"


    A striver is still a striver. Actual mobility among Americas was much higher in the 1940's-1970's, suggesting that transplanting is acceptable as long as those who are doing it remain modest and in touch with normal mores. What's created resentment over native mobility over the last 40 years is that many of these modern transplants are arrogant and shameless yuppies. By the 80's, we were getting horror movies that reflected the anxiety of middle class people who felt that they couldn't trust or really get to know their neighbors and co-workers anymore. This anxiety didn't exist in the 50's or 60's, since really, there weren't hardly any assholes just looking out for themselves back then.

    You’re correct that this has been ongoing since at least the 1970’s when we saw GM begin abandoning its birthplace in Flint in earnest. It accelerated in the 80’s but the 80’s crash put the brakes on for a few years. The biggest headlong rush however was post 9/11. Whether it was 9/11 itself or it was the failure of Y2K to change anything except the dotcom bubble burst I’m not sure, but I saw a HUGE boom in nest feathering among upper middle class and especially entrepreneurial types beginning in ‘01 and continuing through today.

    Towns like Detriot, Columbus, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Indy, Chicongo, Cincinnati, all followed the pattern. Screw anybody or anything else, I’m getting mine. The wealthiest also began buying bolt holes in New Zealand and southern South America (Argentina mostly but the smarter ones bought in Chile). The mega rich like Dart, DeVos, Van Andel, etc began earnestly building exile kingdoms (ie Dart’s Caribbean island quasi-nation). I could give more examples but I’m lazy and probably not telling anything you haven’t noticed already. Formerly very civic minded mega rich like Karmanos, Monaghan, Illitch, Davidson, and Penske pulled back and also quietly developed bolt holes leaving the civic stuff to outliers like Dan Gilbert. Prechter even offed himself. It was a major inflection point that nobody seems interested in noticing.

  105. @iffen
    UBI for a now useless class of lower skilled native born whites (and blacks/Mexican-Americans).


    UBI is the way forward.

    UBI is the way forward.

    Only if paired with eugenics.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Sure, mixing wingnut fantasies with serious political and economic policy proposals are the way to go.
  106. @Stan d Mute

    UBI is the way forward.
     
    Only if paired with eugenics.

    Sure, mixing wingnut fantasies with serious political and economic policy proposals are the way to go.

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