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In the previous post on interracial and intersexual homicide distributions in the US, Kratoklastes and Buzz Mohawk point out these distributions deal with absolute numbers, not rates.

By rate, blacks are 11.4 times more likely to perpetrate interracial homicide than whites are, and others–a mishmash category including Asians, American Indians, and many people of mixed race–are 1.9 times more likely than whites to do so:

Conversely, though, blacks are 2.5 times more likely than whites are to be the victims of interracial murder. Others are 1.2 times more likely to be so:

Again, this concerns a small fraction, 15.7%, of all homicides in the US for which the race(s) of both victim and offender are known. The vast majority of homicide, 84.3%, occurs between members of the same race, broadly defined.

 
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  1. Anon[194] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s the rate, now here’s the number of non-blacks murdered by blacks every year in America: ~1000.

    Fompare that to the 250,000 Corona killed in 2020, a veritable nothing burger according to the experts on the dissident Right.

    • Replies: @Jackre
    , @res
  2. recoil says:

    These types of crime statistics are a white supremacist’s soul food because they supposedly “prove” Black criminality. However, there is a fatal flaw.

    These statistics only count individual crimes by a race. They conveniently ignore history and context. For example, it is well known that crime rises with increases in poverty. Caucasians have been working hard to impoverish African Americans for the past several centuries.

    These statistics ignore systemic crimes by a race.

    Where are the statistics for the systemic centuries long crimes of Caucasians against the African American?

    Where are the statistics for the Caucasian crimes of:
    slavery
    Franklin D Roosevelt’s New Deal excluded Blacks
    redlining Blacks
    biological weapons experiments like the Tuskegee secret human experiments. Many more are simply not reported.
    assassinating Black human rights leaders
    CIA destabilizing Black neighborhoods with a drug epidemic and subsequently locking up Black for their “drug abuse” (in comparison to white drug addicts, who are given media sympathy and aid)
    take over of Black music (especially rap) to spread/popularize crime, misogyny, etc to poison its youth?
    for profit prison system locking up non-violent Black offenders and using them as slave labor (aka neo slavery)
    white police brutality
    etc.

    It’s easy to pretend the Caucasian is a “victim” as long as you ignore all of the Caucasian’s crimes.

  3. Twinkie says:

    others–a mishmash category including Asians, American Indians, and many people of mixed race–are 1.9 times more likely than whites to do so

    Asians alone are typically 1/4 to 1/2 white rate.

    • Replies: @songbird
  4. Jackre says:
    @Anon

    Keep in mind that about 10 unarmed black men are killed by cops a year and this is arguably a bigger issue than coronavirus and certainly a bigger issue than the massively disproportionate levels of black on white violence we see.

    • Replies: @Truth
  5. res says:
    @Anon

    Fompare that to the 250,000 Corona killed in 2020, a veritable nothing burger according to the experts on the dissident Right.

    That’s a nice strawman, but if you are going to compare the two you might want to learn what a QALY is.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-adjusted_life_year

    Perhaps also learn the difference between infectious disease and murder (hint, one involves an intentional act by another person).

    • Agree: SIMP simp, John Regan
  6. If blacks were, say, 13% of the population, and if a black were to randomly kill someone, he’d be (100/13 = 7.7) times more likely to kill a non-black than a black because there are 7.7 times as many non-blacks than blacks. Conversely, a non-black would only be 13% likely to kill a black if killing randomly.

    Just from a purely random distribution of killing, blacks would be about 8 times more likely to kill a non-black.

    Is this incorrect? Why would no one mention this?

  7. @blake121666

    Commenter Elli did mention something like that in reply to me under the previous post. It is a valid point.

  8. Wyatt says:
    @recoil

    For example, it is well known that crime rises with increases in poverty.

    Cool. Explain to me the dirt fucking poor West Virginia backwaters that rank 2 or 3 times safer than all counties in America. Or explain how brown as dirt El Paso with a bunch of poor Mexicans is safer with 80%+ non-whites than even 33% black Chicago.

    Or explain to me blacks being criminals in China, where there’s been no white oppression of Africans.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africans_in_Guangzhou#Crime

    Whites build great works and make civilizations that people of all stripes want to live in. Blacks make shitholes that mother nature herself could do a better job of making. America and Europeans do not need blacks at all, but blacks are so incompetent at even just feeding themselves that they ruin an entire nation (Zimbabwe) because the white farmers leave. Nobody needs blacks.

    Nobody.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Cutler
    , @anonymous
  9. @recoil

    There’s no doubt that Europeans bought slaves from their black owners. The trip over the Atlantic was terrible. Their lives in the Americas was better than their lives in much poorer Africa. Black Africans were as eager to conquer and enslave others as any Europeans ever were.

    It was normal in ancient times for everybody who couldn’t pay their debts to be enslaved. As a man owned his wife and children, they also became slaves. I’d be surprised if Africans had progressed past that before both slave and owner became Moslem or Christian. No black state had progressed past absolute monarchy.

    Nigerian Ibos score much higher on IQ tests than traditional US Blacks many of whom came from that region. That may be due to more intelligent Ibos selling their less intelligent Ibo slaves to Europeans. Evolution works with any form of systematic selection.

    Black Africans weren’t the moral superiors of the Europeans who conquered them. The black African slave states were conquered instead of conquering because they were very backward compared to Arabs, let alone Europeans at the time of their later conquests. We’re talking about spears and clubs against firearms and artillery. It was rifles by the time of the last conquests but there was no improvement in black African weapons because they didn’t have the technology to make an arquebus or primitive cannon. [email protected]

  10. @blake121666

    So, then you’re implying that because blacks murder of whites is a random walk (literally and figuratively for many white residents of black majority cities), that whites shouldn’t be concerned or get upset about it and still less, make it the rallying cry for a nationalist movement or an excuse to separate from blacks?

    As any competent behavioral psychologist will tell you, it’s a random pattern of reward that generates the most button pressing by the pigeon. As any soldier in the trenches will tell you, it’s the very randomness of artillery shelling that inspires such dread and terror.

    You have everything bass ackwards.

    • Replies: @blake121666
  11. @recoil

    “They’re painting the passports brown.
    The beauty parlor is filled with sailors,
    The circus is in town.”

    — WEB DuBois

  12. @ThreeCranes

    No the way the matter was put can only be thought to have been incompetent or intentionally misleading.

    God only knows what you mean by “bass ackwards”.

    If you are a member of a majority, than anything relating to probabilities of ANY minority/majority interactions will naturally have it that the minority will have a greater probability of that interaction with the majority than than vice versa.

    Blacks are more likely to have practically ANY interaction with a non-black than the non-black with the black.

    Tell me the statistics for minorities other than blacks. How much more likely is it for an oriental person to kill a white person than for a white person to kill an oriental person? That Virginia Tech oriental mass shooter from years back probably skews those results? Should you walk around fearing being shot by an oriental from that? Because that is how someone will interpret what is being stated here by most people.

    There’s probably ample evidence to make a case for blacks being more criminally violent. Misleading people by stating what is stated in this post isn’t the way to do that. It only leads to you looking incompetent or biased (and “bass ackward”, lol).

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @ThreeCranes
  13. @recoil

    take over of Black music (especially rap) to spread/popularize crime, misogyny, etc to poison its youth

    Lol.

    Jay-Z is a CIA psy-op, pass it on.

    P.S. Those CIA wonks sure lay down some def beats for their front-men to rap to.

  14. By rate, blacks are 11.4 times more likely to perpetrate interracial homicide than whites

    Several commenters above have already pointed out that this is a very flawed “statistic”. Since one not infrequently encounters this statistic, it is perhaps worthwhile to formalize the argument:

    Assume an “ideal” society in which:

    1. all groups murder at equal rates

    2. all murders are “color blind”, that is, the race of the victim has zero correlation with that of the perpetrator.

    In that case, assuming the population is 12% black and 88% white, then 12% of murders committed by whites will be inter-racial, as opposed to 88% of murders commited by blacks. So a black person will be 7.33 times as likely to commit an inter-racial murder as will a white person despite the fact that both whites and blacks are totally unbiased in selecting their victims.

    Note also that in this “ideal” society, the absolute number of inter-racial murders committed by whites will be precisely equal to the number of inter-racial murders committed by blacks.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @nokangaroos
  15. Cutler says:
    @Wyatt

    Common bloody sense, Spot on.

  16. songbird says:
    @Twinkie

    Of course, if you go back to WW2 for the Japanese or the Boxer Rebellion for China, Asians have done many things that would make one’s hair stand on end – to outgroups.

  17. Arclight says:

    One of the terrible things about the unbelievably high rate of black political solidarity is that it doesn’t allow for the upstanding and successful black Americans to disassociate themselves from the losers. If black America had the ideological diversity of even Latinos, the entire political and cultural landscape would look much different.

    This is one of the great successes of the political left over the last 60 years – ensuring that blacks view themselves and their interests through the lens of their shared racial identity first and foremost, and ruthlessly punishing/ostracizing those that get out of line. No group in America is under more pressure to conform to a political and cultural narrative written by their political masters.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  18. @blake121666

    While your general idea is valid, there is a confounding variable. People tend to know, live amongst and associate with others who are like them. Blacks mostly live among Blacks and have Black friends. Whites mostly live among Whites and have White friends.

    Thus, the potential for anger and emotional outbursts and whatever else leads to “random murder” is much higher among people of the same race.

    Murder is not random. Your hypothesis is. You are indeed providing a good baseline, but we have to look beyond that.

    Witness the sucker punch “Polar Bear Hunting” perpetrated exclusively by Blacks against Whites. Or, just go read, on this webzine, the Stuff Black People Don’t Like (SBPDL) blog. You will find endless examples of Black, racist, hate-filled murders and crimes against innocent Whites. Those are not presented or otherwise spoon-fed to you by the controlled, mainstream media, because they contradict the narrative.

    You are, correctly, quibbling about exact proportions, but the fact is, Blacks, particularly young Black men, are far more likely, per capita, to be hate-filled and racist against Whites and to murder and harm Whites when it is NOT convenient or “random” for them to do so.

    Note: Most people of any race or ethnicity are just trying to live the best lives they can, peacefully. Criminals are outliers in any group. Let’s not convict all Black people. They’re just stuck with a higher percentage of them.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  19. @Buzz Mohawk

    Criminals are outliers in any group. Let’s not convict all Black people. They’re just stuck with a higher percentage of them.

    Blacks are convicted by their sympathies for and defenses of their criminal class.  This makes them enemies of civilization.  They should be exiled for that alone.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  20. Trump is electoral toast and the rancid Republican Party is electorally crashing in a Hindenburg meltdown.

    The rancid Republican Party is too cowardly and donor-controlled to openly and honestly talk about the massive disparity in Black crime rates in comparison with Whites and Asians.

    Blacks are involved in criminal activity at a much higher rate than Whites or Asians.

    Tweet from 2015:

  21. @blake121666

    Your response tells me that you have completely missed my point. Go back and reread my comment. That violence may be “random” does not in any way lessen the terror it induces in the victim. In fact it increases it. Whites fear and separate from blacks precisely because the violence they are subjected to is random.

  22. @recoil

    These statistics only count individual crimes by a race. They conveniently ignore history and context. For example, it is well known that crime rises with increases in poverty

    Aaaaaaaand, you can stop reading right there.

  23. Anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @blake121666

    @Blake

    The conceptual issue that you are having revolves around the definition of “likely”.

    You missed the point of the OP which is looking at interracial crimes as a group to be analyzed. Your example looks at murders grouped by race of murderer which is different.

    However, to your example, the fallacy of your argument is readily apparent when you consider the following: ” if a black were to randomly kill someone”. Think about what you just said. By definition, the person you were talking about was equally likely to kill a white or a black. You defined it as such by saying randomly (or equally likely, if you will)

    More concretely assume that a black were to kill 100 people- 87 were non-black and 13 were black. When you are trying to understand how “likely” this person was to kill a non-black vs a black, then you must consider the population. Therefore, since this particular black’s victims were 13% black and the population is 13% black, this murderer is no more “likely to kill a non-black than a black”

    Capisce?

    • Replies: @Anon
  24. Anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    You will improve your understanding by looking at this post:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/fbi-murder-offender-ratio-for-blacks-nonblacks-ratio-for-males-females/

    Figure out for yourself how Sailer arrives at the conclusion “blacks were 8.2 times as likely to be murder offenders as nonblacks” using the data provided. Once you are able to do that you will have a more clear understanding of what these statistical statements actually say.

    Good luck!

  25. It’s easy to pretend the Caucasian is a “victim” as long as you ignore all of the Caucasian’s crimes.

    Well, the most effective way to avoid the “Caucasian’s crimes” is to not live in his nations.

    Will you be leaving anytime soon?

    Do they have “welfare” and EBT cards in Africa?

  26. Truth says:
    @Jackre

    Keep in mind that about 10 unarmed black men are killed by cops a year and this is arguably a bigger issue than coronavirus

    No, no, not to the vast, albeit shrinking, population of the U.S. that is not comprised of mouth-breathing functional retards.

    I mean, I don’t believe that, in any year, 60% of American businesses were shut down because of 10 black men killed by the police.

  27. Truth says:
    @for-the-record

    In that case, assuming the population is 12% black and 88% white, then 12% of murders committed by whites will be inter-racial, as opposed to 88% of murders commited by blacks. So a black person will be 7.33 times as likely to commit an inter-racial murder as will a white person despite the fact that both whites and blacks are totally unbiased in selecting their victims.

    There have been five, or so, of these threads here this week, and it is a little illustrative as to the decline of the American (at large) juvenile education system.

    Does anyone here understand ratios?

  28. jamie b. says:
    @recoil

    IOW, let’s ignore anything quantifiable and focus all our attention on the unqualifiable. Let’s step back twenty yards and squint our eyes until we can imagine everything looking P.C.

  29. @for-the-record

    Actually a valid point.
    My bad to not think of it as it is a common problem in quasimultidimensional representations – for every parameter added you lose an equal amount of information.

    In a colorblind society – as mandated by the Sibbyl Rites Act, everybody and his mama murdering everybody else regardless – the absolute numbers of B/W and W/B murders should be the same and the per capita interracial ratio mirror the inverse of population size, meaning an “expected” ratio of about 4x.
    Blacks murder Actual Whites ™ at about 19x the reverse, giving a residual of slightly under 5.
    Further division by murder rate differential B/W lands us below 0.6, i.e. the avg. White is LESS likely to be murdered by blacks than the avg. black.
    Added correction for proximity will probably still show a certain preference for White victims, but nowhere near what the raw interracial ratio would seem to indicate.

    – So far, so good.
    But these are only the murders – insignificant as per OneNineFour.
    How do you explain away robbery (50x), mob assault (this would subsume polar bear hunting and lynching, 300x) and rape (>1000x, not counting prisons)?
    Pretty soon we are talking real numbers – hundreds of hate crimes every day God allows to pass.

    (The number for rapes also shows the limits of usefulness of raw ratio – it simply means there are no W/B rapes above noise; in absolute numbers B/W slightly >100/d)

    Among other things the numbers mean that for every black whose life matters ™
    over 40 are flatlined by their bruthas – still the Narrative is about frothing-at-the-mouth incel Kluxers scheming in the shadows, itching to pounce on innocent angelic little aspiring rocket surgeons.

    Go figger 😉

    • Replies: @for-the-record
  30. @nokangaroos

    How do you explain away robbery . . .

    I’m not trying to explain anything, just showing that the statistical measure used is inherently flawed. If one is making the case that there is a pronounced bias in inter-racial crimes, which I am not at all challenging, far better to use statistics that are not “flawed”. Using such a flawed measure makes it easy for the other side to rebut (sic) your arguments.

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  31. jb says:

    I think it’s useful to imagine a racial quasi-utopia where blacks make up 10 percent of the population, blacks and whites live side by side and have no special antipathy towards each other, and blacks and whites commit murder at exactly the same rate. In a country like this, whites, with 90% of the population, would commit 90% of all murders, and 10% of there victims would be black, for a total of 9% of all victims. Likewise blacks would commit 10% of all murders, and 90% of their victims would be white, for, again, 9% of all victims. In summary:

    White on white murders: 81% of total
    White on black murders: 9% of total
    Black on white murders: 9% of total
    Black on black murders: 1% of total

    In this utopia, on average, a black murderer would be 9 times more likely to kill a white person than a black person and a white murderer would be 9 time less likely to kill a black than a white, all simply because of demographics.

    Now imagine another society with a single difference: blacks and whites are totally segregated and have no opportunity to kill each other. In this society the interracial murder rate for whites changes slightly: 100% of their victims are white, rather than 90%. But for blacks it changes drastically: 100% of their victims are black, rather than 10%. So the degree of segregation is critically important when looking at interracial murder committed by blacks.

    Quite honestly, it has never seemed to me that segregation has been sufficiently controlled for — how do you even put a number on it? — and therefore I don’t have a lot of confidence that raw interracial murder rates are particularly informative. I think our time is better spent focusing on absolute murder rates — in particular the astonishing fact that 100,000 random blacks will commit eight times as many murders as 100,000 random whites!

    Even there though there are difficulties. For example, how are these murders distributed? Perhaps a hyper-violent 5% of the black population commits all of the excess murders, while the remaining 95% of blacks have a murder rate no higher than that of whites. Do we know that this isn’t true? Has anyone even looked into it? This might be a worthwhile project for our host AE!

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  32. @blake121666

    That’s why in the previous post we looked at absolute numbers. It’s easy to mislead–or be misled–intentionally or by accident, from interX rates in a population with different sized subgroups.

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