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The following graph depicts immigration sentiments by various demographics as measured by doubling the percentages who want immigration “increased a lot”, adding to it the percentages who want it “increased a little”, subtracting from that the percentages who want it “decreased a little”, and finally subtracting from that twice the percentages who want it “decreased a lot”:

Even though the public is broadly sympathetic to a reduction in immigration into the US [edit: That’s misleading, see here], the odds are long that anything will be done to stem the flow. Quite the opposite, because society’s winners–the educated, the affluent, the left–are more sanguine about immigration than the losers in contemporary America are.

 
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  1. the educated, the affluent, the left

    You forgot “the young”. Now it may well be that they also change their minds as they grow older into the negative-sentiment categories, but by that time the damage they helped do will be done and they will have a new batch of idealistic and inexperienced 18-29 year olds to contend with.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Talha

    A question, do you want more or less Pakis living in white lands? I am going with the assumption that you want more. This is why saying it is a generational thing is incorrect, the people that are running the country are increasingly from the third world, this means they want more their kind to enter the country, age will not matter here, only race.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha, @nebulafox

  2. Pretty sure that if the jews were in that graph they would be higher than the Democrats number. In fact, I would bet anything that you would not find a single graph where jews support something but it is not US elite policy.

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @neutral

    AE explained a few weeks ago that he is going to stop talking about Jews, for fear of spooking the skittish normie

    , @A123
    @neutral


    Pretty sure that if the jews were in that graph they would be higher than the Democrats number. In fact, I would bet anything that you would not find a single graph where jews support something but it is not US elite policy.
     
    LOL

    One should expect Jews to be slightly more pro-immigration than Christians, based on higher income banding. Non-Elite Jews are just as threatened by immigration as everyone else.

    Remember Jews in the U.S. are a very diverse group:
    • Orthodox are solid GOP voters.
    • Conservative will be around 50/50.
    • Only the Reform branch is heavily DNC.

    Don't be fooled by the tiny number of Elite picks by the Biden/Harris gestalt. SJW Globalism is effectively its own religion, and one has to effectively (though not publicly) renounce God before joining those Elites.

    PEACE 😇
  3. @neutral
    Pretty sure that if the jews were in that graph they would be higher than the Democrats number. In fact, I would bet anything that you would not find a single graph where jews support something but it is not US elite policy.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @A123

    AE explained a few weeks ago that he is going to stop talking about Jews, for fear of spooking the skittish normie

  4. @Talha

    the educated, the affluent, the left
     
    You forgot “the young”. Now it may well be that they also change their minds as they grow older into the negative-sentiment categories, but by that time the damage they helped do will be done and they will have a new batch of idealistic and inexperienced 18-29 year olds to contend with.
    https://i.gifer.com/origin/dc/dc33157bf56c71f24b9d64d483c45943.gif

    Peace.

    Replies: @neutral

    A question, do you want more or less Pakis living in white lands? I am going with the assumption that you want more. This is why saying it is a generational thing is incorrect, the people that are running the country are increasingly from the third world, this means they want more their kind to enter the country, age will not matter here, only race.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @neutral


    This is why saying it is a generational thing is incorrect
     
    The data seems to disagree with you.

    Replies: @neutral

    , @Talha
    @neutral


    I am going with the assumption that you want more.
     
    Bad assumption. I don’t want more and more people moving to the West from Pakistan or Morocco or Egypt (nor do I want the same people moving in and replacing Malaysians or Bosnians or Senegalese) because I’m not interested in replacing the people of these lands with others and turning it into a neo-Pakistan or neo-Morocco or whatever. And, in fact, adding more and more immigrants seems to be now getting in the way of Islam “going native” among the people because it is associated with foreigners. Not to mention that bringing in material-seeking or bling-bling oriented Muslims into these lands is highly detrimental to their souls - often it’s for their own good that they are kept out.

    Peace.
    , @nebulafox
    @neutral

    Islam matters, but it's not the only factor that matters. Most Pakistanis in the US speak English, many are well-educated professionals. Prior to the 1990s, you almost *had* to be a well-educated professional to migrate from Pakistan to the US. To top it off, a lot more geographic dispersion. Of course they are going to behave differently from their diaspora counterparts in the UK, many of whom have second and third generation kids who are more prone to radicalization than their counterparts back in the Islamic World.

    Our cheap labor contingent comes from Central America and Mexico. For all the problems they bring, religion isn't one of them. Mind, I'm still an immigration restrictionist (I still have a soft spot for scientist poaching, but the way things are going, we're going to need to start worrying about keeping what we have with the wokesters on warpath against socially illiterate STEM geeks), but that's due to more mundane factors, such as oligarch castration. Mass immigration in a time of economic hardship is basically allowing one side of the employee/labor gap to completely pervert market mechanisms. Last thing the US needs right now. 23% of the bottom quarter of Americans are unemployed, not that this matters to anyone in power. That, and the immigration wave over the past few decades is making the turn-of-the-century wave look like a puddle. We're not superhuman: we do need time to absorb who we've already taken, much like in the 20th Century.

  5. @neutral
    @Talha

    A question, do you want more or less Pakis living in white lands? I am going with the assumption that you want more. This is why saying it is a generational thing is incorrect, the people that are running the country are increasingly from the third world, this means they want more their kind to enter the country, age will not matter here, only race.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha, @nebulafox

    This is why saying it is a generational thing is incorrect

    The data seems to disagree with you.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @dfordoom

    Which data? Looking at that graph it says that the non whites are pro immigration. The same applies to all other ZOG states, once the non white numbers increase all the political parties, mass media, businesses end up pushing for more immigration, I never see the opposite happening.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  6. I would like to see a poll that breaks-down the subgroups by the ethnicity of the immigrant. I live in Orange County, California, and there is a stark contrast between our immigrants from Northeast Asia and our immigrants who walked across the border. It’s almost as if they are two different species. The vice of the poll in the essay is that they are treated the same.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @SafeNow


    I live in Orange County, California, and there is a stark contrast between our immigrants from Northeast Asia and our immigrants who walked across the border.
     
    Would you tell us more about this?

    I ask because I happen to be more familiar with a different kind of place, like (for example) Detroit and its suburbs—which have different problems. Thus, the view from Orange Co., Calif., would interest me.

    , @Altai
    @SafeNow

    It's arguable that the ones who came over the border are more likely to be in favour of stopping more. (So long as enforcement doesn't pose a threat to them)

  7. Just more proof, if any was needed, that Democraps are bent on destroying the country, and young people are stupid.

    Yes, they will regret it later when they’re older, but then it’s too late.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Brian Reilly
    @Dumbo

    Dumbo, As Mark Steyn said, in demographics, you can actually see the future. Everyone (for the most part) who is going to give birth or vote, or worship, or steal, or invent, or... in 20 years is already here. In the US, white people just aren't a going concern anymore, and never will be again.

  8. @neutral
    @Talha

    A question, do you want more or less Pakis living in white lands? I am going with the assumption that you want more. This is why saying it is a generational thing is incorrect, the people that are running the country are increasingly from the third world, this means they want more their kind to enter the country, age will not matter here, only race.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha, @nebulafox

    I am going with the assumption that you want more.

    Bad assumption. I don’t want more and more people moving to the West from Pakistan or Morocco or Egypt (nor do I want the same people moving in and replacing Malaysians or Bosnians or Senegalese) because I’m not interested in replacing the people of these lands with others and turning it into a neo-Pakistan or neo-Morocco or whatever. And, in fact, adding more and more immigrants seems to be now getting in the way of Islam “going native” among the people because it is associated with foreigners. Not to mention that bringing in material-seeking or bling-bling oriented Muslims into these lands is highly detrimental to their souls – often it’s for their own good that they are kept out.

    Peace.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  9. @dfordoom
    @neutral


    This is why saying it is a generational thing is incorrect
     
    The data seems to disagree with you.

    Replies: @neutral

    Which data? Looking at that graph it says that the non whites are pro immigration. The same applies to all other ZOG states, once the non white numbers increase all the political parties, mass media, businesses end up pushing for more immigration, I never see the opposite happening.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @neutral


    Which data? Looking at that graph it says that the non whites are pro immigration. The same applies to all other ZOG states, once the non white numbers increase all the political parties, mass media, business end up pushing for more immigration I never see the opposite happening.
     
    Yes, but supposing that most immigrants already here in the United States are here to stay, Talha isn't the problem. He takes the proverbial slings and arrows of life in good humor. A man's man, he is the living proof that an individual citizen of any origin can be a good American.

    Talha is doing what I wish all our immigrants would do. I do not know about you, but I would strongly like to encourage and incentivize such behavior. The more such behavior among the immigrants we already have, the better.

    Replies: @neutral, @A123, @Talha

  10. @neutral
    @dfordoom

    Which data? Looking at that graph it says that the non whites are pro immigration. The same applies to all other ZOG states, once the non white numbers increase all the political parties, mass media, businesses end up pushing for more immigration, I never see the opposite happening.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    Which data? Looking at that graph it says that the non whites are pro immigration. The same applies to all other ZOG states, once the non white numbers increase all the political parties, mass media, business end up pushing for more immigration I never see the opposite happening.

    Yes, but supposing that most immigrants already here in the United States are here to stay, Talha isn’t the problem. He takes the proverbial slings and arrows of life in good humor. A man’s man, he is the living proof that an individual citizen of any origin can be a good American.

    Talha is doing what I wish all our immigrants would do. I do not know about you, but I would strongly like to encourage and incentivize such behavior. The more such behavior among the immigrants we already have, the better.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @V. K. Ovelund

    The exception does not make the rule, the political parties that are more pro immigration always end up having the bulk of the non white vote.

    , @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund


    supposing that most immigrants already here in the United States are here to stay,
     
    There is no reason to make this assumption. And, it is a very dangerous one.

    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population. As a combatant, if you are out numbered 100:1 do you:
    -1- Immediately Attack?
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds?

    Forward Islamic invaders, like Talha, are in the second state. Their assigned missions are espionage/propaganda:
    • Make the enemy weaker by turning Infidel Americans against each other.
    • Quietly increase the invasion force size without initiating direct conflict.

    Look at places like France if you want to see America's future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.

    The best option is to end the invasion now. Forward combatants like Talha and Ilhan Omar could be sent home with minimal violence. Waiting exacerbates the situation. If your grandchildren have to pay the price for your inaction, they will likely have to pay in blood.

    PEACE 😇
     

    https://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/french-muslims.jpg

    Replies: @neutral, @V. K. Ovelund, @anonymous

    , @Talha
    @V. K. Ovelund


    He takes the proverbial slings and arrows of life in good humor.
     
    Before the 19th century, most Muslims - no matter where you found them - belonged to a Sufi Order of some sort (either actively or tangentially). Many modern Muslims have lost that connection to spiritual teaching/wisdom/guidance. One of the core lessons I’ve taken from my teachers (which I’m also conveying to my children) is that you are not entitled to anything in life. Everything you own, anything positive that happens to you is a blessing from Allah swt for which gratitude is due*. Anything that doesn’t go your way is a trial and test for which you show patience or (if you have reached an even higher spiritual state) even gratitude in that situation for the time you enjoyed the blessing and the chance to grow closer to God via a test.

    Talha is doing what I wish all our immigrants would do.
     
    I fully believe any Muslim immigrant should integrate into the society. By which I mean; 1) obey the laws of the land, 2) adopt local culture and norms that do not conflict with Islam and 3) be of service to the wider community in which they live. I don’t own a single Pakistani flag or item or piece of clothing with the flag on it; I left it back in the old country as I wish all immigrants would with their flags.

    As far as full assimilation, that is completely out of the question, as Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad more eloquently explains:
    “ We have the right now on the terms of the dominant civilization to express our desire to be dissidents, awkward cross-grained critics - not compliant. They will continuously blow the whistle and ask us to run faster to catch up with them but we don't really have to if where they are going is biocidal, planetary annihilation. We want the right to difference.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCqu4ciS44o

    Peace.

    *Even if you are starving, and are granted provisions, you were not owed them and you will be asked about whether you were grateful or not:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqApNaV13uI

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @dfordoom

  11. @neutral
    Pretty sure that if the jews were in that graph they would be higher than the Democrats number. In fact, I would bet anything that you would not find a single graph where jews support something but it is not US elite policy.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @A123

    Pretty sure that if the jews were in that graph they would be higher than the Democrats number. In fact, I would bet anything that you would not find a single graph where jews support something but it is not US elite policy.

    LOL

    One should expect Jews to be slightly more pro-immigration than Christians, based on higher income banding. Non-Elite Jews are just as threatened by immigration as everyone else.

    Remember Jews in the U.S. are a very diverse group:
    • Orthodox are solid GOP voters.
    • Conservative will be around 50/50.
    • Only the Reform branch is heavily DNC.

    Don’t be fooled by the tiny number of Elite picks by the Biden/Harris gestalt. SJW Globalism is effectively its own religion, and one has to effectively (though not publicly) renounce God before joining those Elites.

    PEACE 😇

  12. Take away:

    The young and Democrats are stupid

  13. @V. K. Ovelund
    @neutral


    Which data? Looking at that graph it says that the non whites are pro immigration. The same applies to all other ZOG states, once the non white numbers increase all the political parties, mass media, business end up pushing for more immigration I never see the opposite happening.
     
    Yes, but supposing that most immigrants already here in the United States are here to stay, Talha isn't the problem. He takes the proverbial slings and arrows of life in good humor. A man's man, he is the living proof that an individual citizen of any origin can be a good American.

    Talha is doing what I wish all our immigrants would do. I do not know about you, but I would strongly like to encourage and incentivize such behavior. The more such behavior among the immigrants we already have, the better.

    Replies: @neutral, @A123, @Talha

    The exception does not make the rule, the political parties that are more pro immigration always end up having the bulk of the non white vote.

  14. @V. K. Ovelund
    @neutral


    Which data? Looking at that graph it says that the non whites are pro immigration. The same applies to all other ZOG states, once the non white numbers increase all the political parties, mass media, business end up pushing for more immigration I never see the opposite happening.
     
    Yes, but supposing that most immigrants already here in the United States are here to stay, Talha isn't the problem. He takes the proverbial slings and arrows of life in good humor. A man's man, he is the living proof that an individual citizen of any origin can be a good American.

    Talha is doing what I wish all our immigrants would do. I do not know about you, but I would strongly like to encourage and incentivize such behavior. The more such behavior among the immigrants we already have, the better.

    Replies: @neutral, @A123, @Talha

    supposing that most immigrants already here in the United States are here to stay,

    There is no reason to make this assumption. And, it is a very dangerous one.

    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population. As a combatant, if you are out numbered 100:1 do you:
    -1- Immediately Attack?
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds?

    Forward Islamic invaders, like Talha, are in the second state. Their assigned missions are espionage/propaganda:
    • Make the enemy weaker by turning Infidel Americans against each other.
    • Quietly increase the invasion force size without initiating direct conflict.

    [MORE]

    Look at places like France if you want to see America’s future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.

    The best option is to end the invasion now. Forward combatants like Talha and Ilhan Omar could be sent home with minimal violence. Waiting exacerbates the situation. If your grandchildren have to pay the price for your inaction, they will likely have to pay in blood.

    PEACE 😇
     

    • Replies: @neutral
    @A123


    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population
     
    The jew invasion of America is at 2%.

    Replies: @A123

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population. As a combatant, if you are out numbered 100:1 do you:
    -1- Immediately Attack?
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds?
     
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds.

    Forward Islamic invaders, like Talha, are in the second state. Their assigned combat missions are espionage/propaganda:
    • Make the enemy weaker by turning Infidel Americans against each other.
    • Quietly increase the invasion force size without initiating direct conflict.
     
    I grasp all this, though it is well to be reminded.

    In my judgment, such considerations are too theoretical. They do not take adequate account of mundane, actual experience. You are telling me that I should suspect a man because he consistently treats me decently, because in theory under other circumstances his coëthnics might mean me harm. I've got enough problems already with the two U.S. ethnies that actually do mean me harm.


    Look at places like France if you want to see America’s future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.
     
    Such propaganda comes to me from the same people that have lied to me about everything else. From the same people that have got my country entangled in endless wars in the Middle East. Please explain to me why I should credit a word of such propaganda.

    The best option is to end the invasion now. Forward if combatants like Talha and Ilhan Omar could be sent home with minimal violence. Waiting exacerbates the situation. If your grandchildren have to pay the price for your inaction, they will likely have to pay in blood.
     
    I do not believe that even the blacks and the Jews are likely to be sent away. The Muslims? Forget it.

    I have a different idea: cut off immigration with exceptions for European whites from South Africa and from a few obvious countries like Canada and Britain; and then find a way to get along decently with the people that are already here.

    You yourself have backhandedly attested to the practicality of getting along with Muslims under present conditions.

    That is how to make the best of a not-yet-so-bad situation.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @A123, @Talha

    , @anonymous
    @A123

    China is doing an amazing job in very early on eliminating the potential for a large scale Islamic insurgency in its northwest. What they experienced in 2014-15 was small scale stuff for what could come. The whole world needs to learn from China.

  15. @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund


    supposing that most immigrants already here in the United States are here to stay,
     
    There is no reason to make this assumption. And, it is a very dangerous one.

    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population. As a combatant, if you are out numbered 100:1 do you:
    -1- Immediately Attack?
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds?

    Forward Islamic invaders, like Talha, are in the second state. Their assigned missions are espionage/propaganda:
    • Make the enemy weaker by turning Infidel Americans against each other.
    • Quietly increase the invasion force size without initiating direct conflict.

    Look at places like France if you want to see America's future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.

    The best option is to end the invasion now. Forward combatants like Talha and Ilhan Omar could be sent home with minimal violence. Waiting exacerbates the situation. If your grandchildren have to pay the price for your inaction, they will likely have to pay in blood.

    PEACE 😇
     

    https://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/french-muslims.jpg

    Replies: @neutral, @V. K. Ovelund, @anonymous

    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population

    The jew invasion of America is at 2%.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @A123
    @neutral


    The jew invasion of America is at 2%.
     
    ROTFLMAO

    The two populations are not equivalent.

    Muslims cannot be safely assimilated as Americans. Look at the Fort Hood massacre if you need a reminder of the risk.

    Jews share U.S. Judeo-Christian values and are well integrated into the U.S. population. When has a Jewish member of the U.S. military gone "Fort Hood" and gunned down American troops within U.S. borders?

    Do not be deceived by the apostate Elites in the Harris/Biden administration. If you have a problem with Elites who happen to have Jewish last names, then call them out as Elites.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @anon, @Pericles

  16. @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund


    supposing that most immigrants already here in the United States are here to stay,
     
    There is no reason to make this assumption. And, it is a very dangerous one.

    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population. As a combatant, if you are out numbered 100:1 do you:
    -1- Immediately Attack?
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds?

    Forward Islamic invaders, like Talha, are in the second state. Their assigned missions are espionage/propaganda:
    • Make the enemy weaker by turning Infidel Americans against each other.
    • Quietly increase the invasion force size without initiating direct conflict.

    Look at places like France if you want to see America's future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.

    The best option is to end the invasion now. Forward combatants like Talha and Ilhan Omar could be sent home with minimal violence. Waiting exacerbates the situation. If your grandchildren have to pay the price for your inaction, they will likely have to pay in blood.

    PEACE 😇
     

    https://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/french-muslims.jpg

    Replies: @neutral, @V. K. Ovelund, @anonymous

    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population. As a combatant, if you are out numbered 100:1 do you:
    -1- Immediately Attack?
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds?

    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds.

    [MORE]

    Forward Islamic invaders, like Talha, are in the second state. Their assigned combat missions are espionage/propaganda:
    • Make the enemy weaker by turning Infidel Americans against each other.
    • Quietly increase the invasion force size without initiating direct conflict.

    I grasp all this, though it is well to be reminded.

    In my judgment, such considerations are too theoretical. They do not take adequate account of mundane, actual experience. You are telling me that I should suspect a man because he consistently treats me decently, because in theory under other circumstances his coëthnics might mean me harm. I’ve got enough problems already with the two U.S. ethnies that actually do mean me harm.

    Look at places like France if you want to see America’s future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.

    Such propaganda comes to me from the same people that have lied to me about everything else. From the same people that have got my country entangled in endless wars in the Middle East. Please explain to me why I should credit a word of such propaganda.

    The best option is to end the invasion now. Forward if combatants like Talha and Ilhan Omar could be sent home with minimal violence. Waiting exacerbates the situation. If your grandchildren have to pay the price for your inaction, they will likely have to pay in blood.

    I do not believe that even the blacks and the Jews are likely to be sent away. The Muslims? Forget it.

    I have a different idea: cut off immigration with exceptions for European whites from South Africa and from a few obvious countries like Canada and Britain; and then find a way to get along decently with the people that are already here.

    You yourself have backhandedly attested to the practicality of getting along with Muslims under present conditions.

    That is how to make the best of a not-yet-so-bad situation.

    • Agree: tgordon
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @V. K. Ovelund

    The immigrants who came here over the past several decades are now, for the most part, citizens giving birth to American citizens. That horse has left the barn, even if immigration were to cease totally tomorrow.

    The solution's pretty mundane, if long-term: get societal dynamics to the point where having a Mexican or Chinese-born grandparent becomes as mundane and meaningless as having an Italian or Polish-born one. You really think a kid who is 3/4ths white and not prone to SJW-tendencies is going to eagerly hate his relatives? That's *precisely* the scenario the woke are horrified of, and it's not hard to trace a lot of their efforts to demonize "whiteness" as a way of preventing that from happening. They want Rainbow America, not Coherent American Mainstream Revived.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Pericles

    , @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund



    Look at places like France if you want to see America’s future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.
     
    Such propaganda comes to me from the same people that have lied to me about everything else. From the same people that have got my country entangled in endless wars in the Middle East. Please explain to me why I should credit a word of such propaganda.
     
    How does THE TRUTH = propaganda?

    Muslims are happy that they have created Sharia Law enclaves in France. As you will not trust any of my fact-based sources, you will have to research it yourself. However, I suspect you will have little difficulty. No one on any side denies the existence of these NO-GO zones in France.

    Please, convince me that France's experience will *not* be replicated in the U.S.

    Finding one Iranian you like, or one Pakistani with a decent reputation, is not relevant. The key test is what historically has happened once Muslims have accumulated in sufficient numbers to engage in collective action against the Infidels.

    If you want a more recent scenario look at Malmo in Sweden. (1)


    Sweden is reeling from a wave of shootings and bombings with 268 shootings just this year so far. And that's in a country of 10 million people which has crime numbers on par with some American cities.

    These shootings aren't being carried out with handguns, but with AK-47s. The weapon so often used as a boogeyman by gun control advocates, but rarely featured in everyday gun violence, is a staple of Sweden’s gang war scene. Along with hand grenades and other explosives rarely seen in America.
     

    How many tragedies are required before you decide you are willing to take preventative action? The facts are out there. The U.S. becoming more Asian & Middle Eastern Muslim is not going to go well for any American.

    “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” -- George Santayana

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2019/11/muslim-ak-47s-and-bombings-turn-sweden-war-zone-daniel-greenfield/

    , @Talha
    @V. K. Ovelund


    because in theory under other circumstances his coëthnics might mean me harm.
     
    This is why I want to remove the foreign co-ethnic part of the equation out of the picture.

    Peace.

    Islam came to places either one of two ways; 1) it fought its way in by toppling the previous power structure and having the hopes of the Has-been-ian empire gasping out and bleeding on some battlefield and 2) by everything from wandering Sufi-scholars, traders/merchants traveling through to reach the people with the message (sometimes it started with the bottom stratus and sometimes with the elites).

    Examples of number 1 are plenty as are examples of number 2; like Nubia, West Africa, Malaysia/Indonesia, etc.

    I’m not interested in option number 1 for the US and its people. I am interested in option number 2. There were no Muslim armies invading Indonesia or Malaysia, rather they attribute their Islam to people like the Wali Songo (nine Muslim Sufi-saints). They are not Arabs or Africans or Bosnians or Persians; they were not ethnically displaced. They simply left behind Buddhism and Hinduism or local animist beliefs.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  17. @SafeNow
    I would like to see a poll that breaks-down the subgroups by the ethnicity of the immigrant. I live in Orange County, California, and there is a stark contrast between our immigrants from Northeast Asia and our immigrants who walked across the border. It’s almost as if they are two different species. The vice of the poll in the essay is that they are treated the same.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Altai

    I live in Orange County, California, and there is a stark contrast between our immigrants from Northeast Asia and our immigrants who walked across the border.

    Would you tell us more about this?

    I ask because I happen to be more familiar with a different kind of place, like (for example) Detroit and its suburbs—which have different problems. Thus, the view from Orange Co., Calif., would interest me.

  18. @neutral
    @Talha

    A question, do you want more or less Pakis living in white lands? I am going with the assumption that you want more. This is why saying it is a generational thing is incorrect, the people that are running the country are increasingly from the third world, this means they want more their kind to enter the country, age will not matter here, only race.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha, @nebulafox

    Islam matters, but it’s not the only factor that matters. Most Pakistanis in the US speak English, many are well-educated professionals. Prior to the 1990s, you almost *had* to be a well-educated professional to migrate from Pakistan to the US. To top it off, a lot more geographic dispersion. Of course they are going to behave differently from their diaspora counterparts in the UK, many of whom have second and third generation kids who are more prone to radicalization than their counterparts back in the Islamic World.

    Our cheap labor contingent comes from Central America and Mexico. For all the problems they bring, religion isn’t one of them. Mind, I’m still an immigration restrictionist (I still have a soft spot for scientist poaching, but the way things are going, we’re going to need to start worrying about keeping what we have with the wokesters on warpath against socially illiterate STEM geeks), but that’s due to more mundane factors, such as oligarch castration. Mass immigration in a time of economic hardship is basically allowing one side of the employee/labor gap to completely pervert market mechanisms. Last thing the US needs right now. 23% of the bottom quarter of Americans are unemployed, not that this matters to anyone in power. That, and the immigration wave over the past few decades is making the turn-of-the-century wave look like a puddle. We’re not superhuman: we do need time to absorb who we’ve already taken, much like in the 20th Century.

    • Agree: notsaying
  19. @neutral
    @A123


    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population
     
    The jew invasion of America is at 2%.

    Replies: @A123

    The jew invasion of America is at 2%.

    ROTFLMAO

    The two populations are not equivalent.

    Muslims cannot be safely assimilated as Americans. Look at the Fort Hood massacre if you need a reminder of the risk.

    Jews share U.S. Judeo-Christian values and are well integrated into the U.S. population. When has a Jewish member of the U.S. military gone “Fort Hood” and gunned down American troops within U.S. borders?

    Do not be deceived by the apostate Elites in the Harris/Biden administration. If you have a problem with Elites who happen to have Jewish last names, then call them out as Elites.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @anon
    @A123

    Jews share U.S. Judeo-Christian values and are well integrated into the U.S. population.

    "Judeo-Christian" is a fake term that didn't really exist until 80 or so years ago. It is an example of propaganda along the lines of Ed Bernays work.

    When has a Jewish member of the U.S. military gone “Fort Hood” and gunned down American troops within U.S. borders?

    When has a Muslim family gone "Sackler" on the US population?

    Here's just one lawsuit among several.

    https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/26/purdue-pharma-maker-of-oxycontin-settles-opioids-lawsuit-in-oklahoma/

    Replies: @Lot, @nebulafox

    , @Pericles
    @A123



    Jews share U.S. Judeo-Christian values and are well integrated into the U.S. population. When has a Jewish member of the U.S. military gone “Fort Hood” and gunned down American troops within U.S. borders?

     

    Lol, oddly specific that.
  20. @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population. As a combatant, if you are out numbered 100:1 do you:
    -1- Immediately Attack?
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds?
     
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds.

    Forward Islamic invaders, like Talha, are in the second state. Their assigned combat missions are espionage/propaganda:
    • Make the enemy weaker by turning Infidel Americans against each other.
    • Quietly increase the invasion force size without initiating direct conflict.
     
    I grasp all this, though it is well to be reminded.

    In my judgment, such considerations are too theoretical. They do not take adequate account of mundane, actual experience. You are telling me that I should suspect a man because he consistently treats me decently, because in theory under other circumstances his coëthnics might mean me harm. I've got enough problems already with the two U.S. ethnies that actually do mean me harm.


    Look at places like France if you want to see America’s future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.
     
    Such propaganda comes to me from the same people that have lied to me about everything else. From the same people that have got my country entangled in endless wars in the Middle East. Please explain to me why I should credit a word of such propaganda.

    The best option is to end the invasion now. Forward if combatants like Talha and Ilhan Omar could be sent home with minimal violence. Waiting exacerbates the situation. If your grandchildren have to pay the price for your inaction, they will likely have to pay in blood.
     
    I do not believe that even the blacks and the Jews are likely to be sent away. The Muslims? Forget it.

    I have a different idea: cut off immigration with exceptions for European whites from South Africa and from a few obvious countries like Canada and Britain; and then find a way to get along decently with the people that are already here.

    You yourself have backhandedly attested to the practicality of getting along with Muslims under present conditions.

    That is how to make the best of a not-yet-so-bad situation.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @A123, @Talha

    The immigrants who came here over the past several decades are now, for the most part, citizens giving birth to American citizens. That horse has left the barn, even if immigration were to cease totally tomorrow.

    The solution’s pretty mundane, if long-term: get societal dynamics to the point where having a Mexican or Chinese-born grandparent becomes as mundane and meaningless as having an Italian or Polish-born one. You really think a kid who is 3/4ths white and not prone to SJW-tendencies is going to eagerly hate his relatives? That’s *precisely* the scenario the woke are horrified of, and it’s not hard to trace a lot of their efforts to demonize “whiteness” as a way of preventing that from happening. They want Rainbow America, not Coherent American Mainstream Revived.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    They want Rainbow America, not Coherent American Mainstream Revived.
     
    If the Woke actually want Rainbow America it would be in their interests to discourage race mixing.

    I don't think the Woke are all that clear about what they actually want. Or perhaps they haven't figured out that they're being manipulated by elites whose agenda is not quite the same as theirs. The elite agenda seems to be One World, One Race, One Culture. That's not a rainbow agenda, that's a monochrome agenda.

    Replies: @neutral

    , @Pericles
    @nebulafox


    The solution’s pretty mundane, if long-term: get societal dynamics to the point where having a Mexican or Chinese-born grandparent becomes as mundane and meaningless as having an Italian or Polish-born one. You really think a kid who is 3/4ths white and not prone to SJW-tendencies is going to eagerly hate his relatives?

     

    A solution from a far whiter era in US history, one which probably works better when one parent is German and the other Swiss or something. Personally, I don't consider de facto Brazilification a good way forward.
  21. Mr. Epigone says:

    Even though the public is broadly sympathetic to a reduction in immigration into the US, the odds are long that anything will be done to stem the flow. Quite the opposite, because society’s winners–the educated, the affluent, the left–are more sanguine about immigration than the losers in contemporary America are.

    I say:

    Trump deliberately started a civil war in the GOP presidential primary in 2015 and 2016 by utilizing the immigration issue as a wedge to separate the GOP primary voters from the GOP donors and the GOP politician whores such as Jebby Bush and Marco Rubio and Teddy Cruz who are controlled by the donors.

    Lead and the voter brutes will follow I say and I don’t give a damn anymore about the plutocrat twats and the nasty treasonous scum in the White Upper Middle Class.

    Slice and dice the electoral cohorts using secessionary issues and then rhetorically stomp the GOP donors and their rancid politician whores in the debates!

    More outrageous crazed talk and the like…acting a bit crazed and angry was a specialty of Scotch-Irish warrior Andrew Jackson.

    Tweets from 2014 and 2015:

  22. I wouldn’t be surprised if rises in income produce a bias against truth-telling, when it comes to regime ideologies. Though, I’m not sure how one would quantify it, based on the thin margin for $100k, I would suppose that, in reality, general sentiment at that income level would also be negative.

    Interesting to see that women are more negative. That’s not what I would expect. I wonder if this difference represents immigrant men responding (and there being a sex imbalance there.)

  23. anon[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123
    @neutral


    The jew invasion of America is at 2%.
     
    ROTFLMAO

    The two populations are not equivalent.

    Muslims cannot be safely assimilated as Americans. Look at the Fort Hood massacre if you need a reminder of the risk.

    Jews share U.S. Judeo-Christian values and are well integrated into the U.S. population. When has a Jewish member of the U.S. military gone "Fort Hood" and gunned down American troops within U.S. borders?

    Do not be deceived by the apostate Elites in the Harris/Biden administration. If you have a problem with Elites who happen to have Jewish last names, then call them out as Elites.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @anon, @Pericles

    Jews share U.S. Judeo-Christian values and are well integrated into the U.S. population.

    “Judeo-Christian” is a fake term that didn’t really exist until 80 or so years ago. It is an example of propaganda along the lines of Ed Bernays work.

    When has a Jewish member of the U.S. military gone “Fort Hood” and gunned down American troops within U.S. borders?

    When has a Muslim family gone “Sackler” on the US population?

    Here’s just one lawsuit among several.

    https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/26/purdue-pharma-maker-of-oxycontin-settles-opioids-lawsuit-in-oklahoma/

    • Replies: @Lot
    @anon

    “ When has a Muslim family gone “Sackler” on the US population?”

    US heroin comes from poppies grown in Afghanistan.

    Replies: @anon, @nebulafox

    , @nebulafox
    @anon

    >“Judeo-Christian” is a fake term that didn’t really exist until 80 or so years ago.

    Islam and Orthodox Judaism are closer to each other than to any variant of Christianity, at least in the West.

  24. @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population. As a combatant, if you are out numbered 100:1 do you:
    -1- Immediately Attack?
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds?
     
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds.

    Forward Islamic invaders, like Talha, are in the second state. Their assigned combat missions are espionage/propaganda:
    • Make the enemy weaker by turning Infidel Americans against each other.
    • Quietly increase the invasion force size without initiating direct conflict.
     
    I grasp all this, though it is well to be reminded.

    In my judgment, such considerations are too theoretical. They do not take adequate account of mundane, actual experience. You are telling me that I should suspect a man because he consistently treats me decently, because in theory under other circumstances his coëthnics might mean me harm. I've got enough problems already with the two U.S. ethnies that actually do mean me harm.


    Look at places like France if you want to see America’s future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.
     
    Such propaganda comes to me from the same people that have lied to me about everything else. From the same people that have got my country entangled in endless wars in the Middle East. Please explain to me why I should credit a word of such propaganda.

    The best option is to end the invasion now. Forward if combatants like Talha and Ilhan Omar could be sent home with minimal violence. Waiting exacerbates the situation. If your grandchildren have to pay the price for your inaction, they will likely have to pay in blood.
     
    I do not believe that even the blacks and the Jews are likely to be sent away. The Muslims? Forget it.

    I have a different idea: cut off immigration with exceptions for European whites from South Africa and from a few obvious countries like Canada and Britain; and then find a way to get along decently with the people that are already here.

    You yourself have backhandedly attested to the practicality of getting along with Muslims under present conditions.

    That is how to make the best of a not-yet-so-bad situation.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @A123, @Talha

    Look at places like France if you want to see America’s future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.

    Such propaganda comes to me from the same people that have lied to me about everything else. From the same people that have got my country entangled in endless wars in the Middle East. Please explain to me why I should credit a word of such propaganda.

    How does THE TRUTH = propaganda?

    Muslims are happy that they have created Sharia Law enclaves in France. As you will not trust any of my fact-based sources, you will have to research it yourself. However, I suspect you will have little difficulty. No one on any side denies the existence of these NO-GO zones in France.

    Please, convince me that France’s experience will *not* be replicated in the U.S.

    Finding one Iranian you like, or one Pakistani with a decent reputation, is not relevant. The key test is what historically has happened once Muslims have accumulated in sufficient numbers to engage in collective action against the Infidels.

    [MORE]

    If you want a more recent scenario look at Malmo in Sweden. (1)

    Sweden is reeling from a wave of shootings and bombings with 268 shootings just this year so far. And that’s in a country of 10 million people which has crime numbers on par with some American cities.

    These shootings aren’t being carried out with handguns, but with AK-47s. The weapon so often used as a boogeyman by gun control advocates, but rarely featured in everyday gun violence, is a staple of Sweden’s gang war scene. Along with hand grenades and other explosives rarely seen in America.

    How many tragedies are required before you decide you are willing to take preventative action? The facts are out there. The U.S. becoming more Asian & Middle Eastern Muslim is not going to go well for any American.

    “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” — George Santayana

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2019/11/muslim-ak-47s-and-bombings-turn-sweden-war-zone-daniel-greenfield/

  25. @V. K. Ovelund
    @neutral


    Which data? Looking at that graph it says that the non whites are pro immigration. The same applies to all other ZOG states, once the non white numbers increase all the political parties, mass media, business end up pushing for more immigration I never see the opposite happening.
     
    Yes, but supposing that most immigrants already here in the United States are here to stay, Talha isn't the problem. He takes the proverbial slings and arrows of life in good humor. A man's man, he is the living proof that an individual citizen of any origin can be a good American.

    Talha is doing what I wish all our immigrants would do. I do not know about you, but I would strongly like to encourage and incentivize such behavior. The more such behavior among the immigrants we already have, the better.

    Replies: @neutral, @A123, @Talha

    He takes the proverbial slings and arrows of life in good humor.

    Before the 19th century, most Muslims – no matter where you found them – belonged to a Sufi Order of some sort (either actively or tangentially). Many modern Muslims have lost that connection to spiritual teaching/wisdom/guidance. One of the core lessons I’ve taken from my teachers (which I’m also conveying to my children) is that you are not entitled to anything in life. Everything you own, anything positive that happens to you is a blessing from Allah swt for which gratitude is due*. Anything that doesn’t go your way is a trial and test for which you show patience or (if you have reached an even higher spiritual state) even gratitude in that situation for the time you enjoyed the blessing and the chance to grow closer to God via a test.

    Talha is doing what I wish all our immigrants would do.

    I fully believe any Muslim immigrant should integrate into the society. By which I mean; 1) obey the laws of the land, 2) adopt local culture and norms that do not conflict with Islam and 3) be of service to the wider community in which they live. I don’t own a single Pakistani flag or item or piece of clothing with the flag on it; I left it back in the old country as I wish all immigrants would with their flags.

    As far as full assimilation, that is completely out of the question, as Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad more eloquently explains:
    “ We have the right now on the terms of the dominant civilization to express our desire to be dissidents, awkward cross-grained critics – not compliant. They will continuously blow the whistle and ask us to run faster to catch up with them but we don’t really have to if where they are going is biocidal, planetary annihilation. We want the right to difference.”

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    *Even if you are starving, and are granted provisions, you were not owed them and you will be asked about whether you were grateful or not:

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Talha

    Do you ever get bored of quotes without meaning that you have to dress up with adjectives like "eloquent" to introduce or else they feel like someone has tried to colour in a picture but they've used a crayon a hundred times too big and were drunk when doing so?

    I do

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB

    , @dfordoom
    @Talha


    As far as full assimilation, that is completely out of the question, as Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad more eloquently explains:
    “ We have the right now on the terms of the dominant civilization to express our desire to be dissidents, awkward cross-grained critics – not compliant. They will continuously blow the whistle and ask us to run faster to catch up with them but we don’t really have to if where they are going is biocidal, planetary annihilation. We want the right to difference.”
     
    Personally I detest the idea of full assimilation (for any ethnic or religious or cultural group). I like the idea of difference.

    I'd prefer actual multi-culturalism to mono-culturalism. I really don't want a global, or even national, mono-culture. I like the idea of alternatives. I like the idea of subcultures as well. I like the idea of people having the freedom to choose how they want to live, as long as they don't interfere with the freedom of others to make different choices.

    My objection to Wokeists and SJWs is that they do want to interfere with the freedom of others to make different choices.

    Replies: @Talha

  26. @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123


    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population. As a combatant, if you are out numbered 100:1 do you:
    -1- Immediately Attack?
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds?
     
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds.

    Forward Islamic invaders, like Talha, are in the second state. Their assigned combat missions are espionage/propaganda:
    • Make the enemy weaker by turning Infidel Americans against each other.
    • Quietly increase the invasion force size without initiating direct conflict.
     
    I grasp all this, though it is well to be reminded.

    In my judgment, such considerations are too theoretical. They do not take adequate account of mundane, actual experience. You are telling me that I should suspect a man because he consistently treats me decently, because in theory under other circumstances his coëthnics might mean me harm. I've got enough problems already with the two U.S. ethnies that actually do mean me harm.


    Look at places like France if you want to see America’s future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.
     
    Such propaganda comes to me from the same people that have lied to me about everything else. From the same people that have got my country entangled in endless wars in the Middle East. Please explain to me why I should credit a word of such propaganda.

    The best option is to end the invasion now. Forward if combatants like Talha and Ilhan Omar could be sent home with minimal violence. Waiting exacerbates the situation. If your grandchildren have to pay the price for your inaction, they will likely have to pay in blood.
     
    I do not believe that even the blacks and the Jews are likely to be sent away. The Muslims? Forget it.

    I have a different idea: cut off immigration with exceptions for European whites from South Africa and from a few obvious countries like Canada and Britain; and then find a way to get along decently with the people that are already here.

    You yourself have backhandedly attested to the practicality of getting along with Muslims under present conditions.

    That is how to make the best of a not-yet-so-bad situation.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @A123, @Talha

    because in theory under other circumstances his coëthnics might mean me harm.

    This is why I want to remove the foreign co-ethnic part of the equation out of the picture.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    Islam came to places either one of two ways; 1) it fought its way in by toppling the previous power structure and having the hopes of the Has-been-ian empire gasping out and bleeding on some battlefield and 2) by everything from wandering Sufi-scholars, traders/merchants traveling through to reach the people with the message (sometimes it started with the bottom stratus and sometimes with the elites).

    Examples of number 1 are plenty as are examples of number 2; like Nubia, West Africa, Malaysia/Indonesia, etc.

    I’m not interested in option number 1 for the US and its people. I am interested in option number 2. There were no Muslim armies invading Indonesia or Malaysia, rather they attribute their Islam to people like the Wali Songo (nine Muslim Sufi-saints). They are not Arabs or Africans or Bosnians or Persians; they were not ethnically displaced. They simply left behind Buddhism and Hinduism or local animist beliefs.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Talha

    Message received. I do not know whether I have any particular comment to add along the specific lines of what you wrote, except that old-stock Americans urgently need to deal with actual facts on the ground, not with speculations and theories.

    The test of any immigrant ethny or creed is its observed behavior. If the behavior is tolerable in overall proportion to the ethny's numbers then, in an American context, we should, and will, and do, find a way to get along. That's it. It's not that hard.

    And when I say, “observed behavior,” I explicitly do not mean, “as observed on television through the filter of the Lügenpresse.” I mean, as observed with your own eyes, or as told to you by persons you trust.

    There is absolutely, positively something extremely suspicious about the way Muslims have been portrayed in the Lügenpresse. It's a deflection. The media are deliberately fixating the angst of right-of-center middle America upon Muslims as a ploy [a] to distract middle Americans from the demographics that are actually doing middle America harm and [b] to persuade middle Americans to send their sons off to die in pointless wars on the far side of the earth.

    Please notice (forgive me, Talha, for explicitly pointing it out, but we have an audience) that I have not written one word in this comment that could reasonably be construed as pro-Muslim, except in the addled imaginations of the indoctrinated.

    I said that the test of any ethny or creed is its observed behavior. There are exactly two substantial ethnies in the United States that fail the test. Neither of the two is distinguished by its Islamic creed.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB, @dfordoom

  27. @Talha
    @V. K. Ovelund


    He takes the proverbial slings and arrows of life in good humor.
     
    Before the 19th century, most Muslims - no matter where you found them - belonged to a Sufi Order of some sort (either actively or tangentially). Many modern Muslims have lost that connection to spiritual teaching/wisdom/guidance. One of the core lessons I’ve taken from my teachers (which I’m also conveying to my children) is that you are not entitled to anything in life. Everything you own, anything positive that happens to you is a blessing from Allah swt for which gratitude is due*. Anything that doesn’t go your way is a trial and test for which you show patience or (if you have reached an even higher spiritual state) even gratitude in that situation for the time you enjoyed the blessing and the chance to grow closer to God via a test.

    Talha is doing what I wish all our immigrants would do.
     
    I fully believe any Muslim immigrant should integrate into the society. By which I mean; 1) obey the laws of the land, 2) adopt local culture and norms that do not conflict with Islam and 3) be of service to the wider community in which they live. I don’t own a single Pakistani flag or item or piece of clothing with the flag on it; I left it back in the old country as I wish all immigrants would with their flags.

    As far as full assimilation, that is completely out of the question, as Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad more eloquently explains:
    “ We have the right now on the terms of the dominant civilization to express our desire to be dissidents, awkward cross-grained critics - not compliant. They will continuously blow the whistle and ask us to run faster to catch up with them but we don't really have to if where they are going is biocidal, planetary annihilation. We want the right to difference.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCqu4ciS44o

    Peace.

    *Even if you are starving, and are granted provisions, you were not owed them and you will be asked about whether you were grateful or not:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqApNaV13uI

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @dfordoom

    Do you ever get bored of quotes without meaning that you have to dress up with adjectives like “eloquent” to introduce or else they feel like someone has tried to colour in a picture but they’ve used a crayon a hundred times too big and were drunk when doing so?

    I do

    • Thanks: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Your opinion that Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad lacks command of English has been duly noted. Hopefully this adds a positive note to your day.

    Peace.

    , @RSDB
    @Not Only Wrathful

    He didn't say the other guy was eloquent, he used the comparative, saying in effect that his own words were worse expressed; that you disagree is a compliment, though perhaps not a particularly strong one.

    For what it's worth, I agree with you in this instance-- plain English is better.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

  28. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Talha

    Do you ever get bored of quotes without meaning that you have to dress up with adjectives like "eloquent" to introduce or else they feel like someone has tried to colour in a picture but they've used a crayon a hundred times too big and were drunk when doing so?

    I do

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB

    Your opinion that Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad lacks command of English has been duly noted. Hopefully this adds a positive note to your day.

    Peace.

  29. @Talha
    @V. K. Ovelund


    because in theory under other circumstances his coëthnics might mean me harm.
     
    This is why I want to remove the foreign co-ethnic part of the equation out of the picture.

    Peace.

    Islam came to places either one of two ways; 1) it fought its way in by toppling the previous power structure and having the hopes of the Has-been-ian empire gasping out and bleeding on some battlefield and 2) by everything from wandering Sufi-scholars, traders/merchants traveling through to reach the people with the message (sometimes it started with the bottom stratus and sometimes with the elites).

    Examples of number 1 are plenty as are examples of number 2; like Nubia, West Africa, Malaysia/Indonesia, etc.

    I’m not interested in option number 1 for the US and its people. I am interested in option number 2. There were no Muslim armies invading Indonesia or Malaysia, rather they attribute their Islam to people like the Wali Songo (nine Muslim Sufi-saints). They are not Arabs or Africans or Bosnians or Persians; they were not ethnically displaced. They simply left behind Buddhism and Hinduism or local animist beliefs.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    Message received. I do not know whether I have any particular comment to add along the specific lines of what you wrote, except that old-stock Americans urgently need to deal with actual facts on the ground, not with speculations and theories.

    The test of any immigrant ethny or creed is its observed behavior. If the behavior is tolerable in overall proportion to the ethny’s numbers then, in an American context, we should, and will, and do, find a way to get along. That’s it. It’s not that hard.

    And when I say, “observed behavior,” I explicitly do not mean, “as observed on television through the filter of the Lügenpresse.” I mean, as observed with your own eyes, or as told to you by persons you trust.

    There is absolutely, positively something extremely suspicious about the way Muslims have been portrayed in the Lügenpresse. It’s a deflection. The media are deliberately fixating the angst of right-of-center middle America upon Muslims as a ploy [a] to distract middle Americans from the demographics that are actually doing middle America harm and [b] to persuade middle Americans to send their sons off to die in pointless wars on the far side of the earth.

    Please notice (forgive me, Talha, for explicitly pointing it out, but we have an audience) that I have not written one word in this comment that could reasonably be construed as pro-Muslim, except in the addled imaginations of the indoctrinated.

    I said that the test of any ethny or creed is its observed behavior. There are exactly two substantial ethnies in the United States that fail the test. Neither of the two is distinguished by its Islamic creed.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @V. K. Ovelund


    in an American context, we should, and will, and do, find a way to get along. That’s it. It’s not that hard.

     

    Quite so. By mentioning some of the negative experiences I had growing up, I did not mean to imply that most of my experiences were so. In fact, the vast majority of my experiences with the people of my adopted country were positive and continue to be. I would go over to my non-Muslim friends’ houses and they would come over to mine. The major thing that was of concern to my parents (as with me with my children) was if the kids were well-behaved and a positive influence or were they the opposite. Honestly, growing up, race rarely ever got brought up...we all seemed to have gotten along fairly well in the places where I lived (and I did live around some pretty scary white folks when I lived in an area surrounded by trailer parks. But I never associated that kind of thing with whites in general because the overwhelming experiences with whites was cordial and friendly.

    Please notice (forgive me, Talha, for explicitly pointing it out, but we have an audience) that I have not written one word in this comment that could reasonably be construed as pro-Muslim, except in the addled imaginations of the indoctrinated.
     
    No sweat, in the minds of the (ahem) “initiated”...one is assumed guilty of being pro-Islam unless one confesses and produces their evidence clearing them of the charge. It is OK. We are the Ishmaelite...being “cast out” is not something unknown. Again though, it keeps one on their toes and not complacent about preserving one’s faith (since I can see with my own eyes what happens when you aren’t - I have attended prayers in multiple mosques that used to be churches) and for that, one must be grateful.

    Peace.
    , @RSDB
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I don't think it's possible to deny that international Islam, and especially political Islam, has some serious problems.

    On the other hand, the US generally has a fairly good quality of Muslims. There are certainly Muslim groups here who hate our country and want to kill us, but I would bet that at least 51% of their membership, and probably a greater proportion of their leadership, are FBI or other alphabet soup agents. Europe seems to have Muslims of a much lower quality, comparatively speaking. Insofar as the US right is associated with the European right, some of their perceptions will carry over.

    Media presentation of Muslims is very mixed; the US right as a general bloc is very associated with pro-Israelism, which necessarily involves anti-Islamic agitation. The US left is very pro-Muslim, but not with any reference to actual Islamic belief or practice, more as a stick with which to beat Christians or "white people".

    For the same reason you will find that Indian historians of a certain ideological bent, like Shashi Tharoor, are generally pro-Mughal.

    Muslims here remind me of Muslims in Sri Lanka; they were always the closest group to us Christians, and in the massive race riots in '83 plenty of Tamils were sheltered by Muslim (or Sinhalese; this is off-topic but worth mentioning) neighbors, and we have returned the favor when we can. Plenty of our Muslim acquaintances, by the way, can go drink for drink with any of my relatives; this is pretty remarkable, because we come from a seafaring family. At the same time, there are Muslims who want to kill all the Christians; some of them had a decent go almost two years ago now. Not that that kind is very friendly to their fellow Muslims either.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Talha

    , @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    There is absolutely, positively something extremely suspicious about the way Muslims have been portrayed in the Lügenpresse. It’s a deflection.
     
    If you want to control a population the best way has always been to create a scapegoat group as a focus for anger and resentment, and they invent a conspiracy theory to explain why the masses should hate and fear that scapegoat group.

    In post-Reformation England the scapegoat group was Catholics. Lots of hysteria was whipped up about Popish Plots.

    In late 19th and early 20th century western Europe and North America it was the Yellow Peril.

    In the US in the 50s it was the commies. There were communists under every bed.

    In the US today it seems to be Muslims. In Australia today it's the Chinese.

    The pattern is always the same. Governments and elites (and corporations) focus the anger and resentment away from themselves towards the scapegoat group.

    Whenever someone wants you to hate a particular group of people it's invariably because there are much more important things that they don't want you to notice.
  30. Cheer up Audie, you and the hoi polloi will soon have a news network all your own...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/qatars-al-jazeera-launches-right-wing-news-platform-americans-who-feel-left-out-msm

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Truth

    A platform for White Sharia at last.

    , @Pericles
    @Truth

    A platform for White Sharia at last.

  31. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Talha

    Do you ever get bored of quotes without meaning that you have to dress up with adjectives like "eloquent" to introduce or else they feel like someone has tried to colour in a picture but they've used a crayon a hundred times too big and were drunk when doing so?

    I do

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB

    He didn’t say the other guy was eloquent, he used the comparative, saying in effect that his own words were worse expressed; that you disagree is a compliment, though perhaps not a particularly strong one.

    For what it’s worth, I agree with you in this instance– plain English is better.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @RSDB

    I just said what I saw and how I felt.

    I wanted to because many religious leaders speak inexactly, which leads me to doubt their spirituality.

    Clear speech follows clear sight in educated adults. The reverse is also true.

    Perhaps you agree with this too?

    Replies: @RSDB

  32. @RSDB
    @Not Only Wrathful

    He didn't say the other guy was eloquent, he used the comparative, saying in effect that his own words were worse expressed; that you disagree is a compliment, though perhaps not a particularly strong one.

    For what it's worth, I agree with you in this instance-- plain English is better.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    I just said what I saw and how I felt.

    I wanted to because many religious leaders speak inexactly, which leads me to doubt their spirituality.

    Clear speech follows clear sight in educated adults. The reverse is also true.

    Perhaps you agree with this too?

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I suppose I would agree, with reservations.

    I'm not often in a position where I have to judge relative degrees of spirituality, which is a good thing, because I don't think I'm qualified to do so.

    Religious leaders may not necessarily be the most spiritual members of their communions, only the most visible.

  33. @Not Only Wrathful
    @RSDB

    I just said what I saw and how I felt.

    I wanted to because many religious leaders speak inexactly, which leads me to doubt their spirituality.

    Clear speech follows clear sight in educated adults. The reverse is also true.

    Perhaps you agree with this too?

    Replies: @RSDB

    I suppose I would agree, with reservations.

    I’m not often in a position where I have to judge relative degrees of spirituality, which is a good thing, because I don’t think I’m qualified to do so.

    Religious leaders may not necessarily be the most spiritual members of their communions, only the most visible.

  34. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Talha

    Message received. I do not know whether I have any particular comment to add along the specific lines of what you wrote, except that old-stock Americans urgently need to deal with actual facts on the ground, not with speculations and theories.

    The test of any immigrant ethny or creed is its observed behavior. If the behavior is tolerable in overall proportion to the ethny's numbers then, in an American context, we should, and will, and do, find a way to get along. That's it. It's not that hard.

    And when I say, “observed behavior,” I explicitly do not mean, “as observed on television through the filter of the Lügenpresse.” I mean, as observed with your own eyes, or as told to you by persons you trust.

    There is absolutely, positively something extremely suspicious about the way Muslims have been portrayed in the Lügenpresse. It's a deflection. The media are deliberately fixating the angst of right-of-center middle America upon Muslims as a ploy [a] to distract middle Americans from the demographics that are actually doing middle America harm and [b] to persuade middle Americans to send their sons off to die in pointless wars on the far side of the earth.

    Please notice (forgive me, Talha, for explicitly pointing it out, but we have an audience) that I have not written one word in this comment that could reasonably be construed as pro-Muslim, except in the addled imaginations of the indoctrinated.

    I said that the test of any ethny or creed is its observed behavior. There are exactly two substantial ethnies in the United States that fail the test. Neither of the two is distinguished by its Islamic creed.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB, @dfordoom

    in an American context, we should, and will, and do, find a way to get along. That’s it. It’s not that hard.

    Quite so. By mentioning some of the negative experiences I had growing up, I did not mean to imply that most of my experiences were so. In fact, the vast majority of my experiences with the people of my adopted country were positive and continue to be. I would go over to my non-Muslim friends’ houses and they would come over to mine. The major thing that was of concern to my parents (as with me with my children) was if the kids were well-behaved and a positive influence or were they the opposite. Honestly, growing up, race rarely ever got brought up…we all seemed to have gotten along fairly well in the places where I lived (and I did live around some pretty scary white folks when I lived in an area surrounded by trailer parks. But I never associated that kind of thing with whites in general because the overwhelming experiences with whites was cordial and friendly.

    Please notice (forgive me, Talha, for explicitly pointing it out, but we have an audience) that I have not written one word in this comment that could reasonably be construed as pro-Muslim, except in the addled imaginations of the indoctrinated.

    No sweat, in the minds of the (ahem) “initiated”…one is assumed guilty of being pro-Islam unless one confesses and produces their evidence clearing them of the charge. It is OK. We are the Ishmaelite…being “cast out” is not something unknown. Again though, it keeps one on their toes and not complacent about preserving one’s faith (since I can see with my own eyes what happens when you aren’t – I have attended prayers in multiple mosques that used to be churches) and for that, one must be grateful.

    Peace.

  35. @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund


    supposing that most immigrants already here in the United States are here to stay,
     
    There is no reason to make this assumption. And, it is a very dangerous one.

    To date the Muslim invasion of the Infidel U.S. is only about 1% of the population. As a combatant, if you are out numbered 100:1 do you:
    -1- Immediately Attack?
    -2- Wait and Arrange for better odds?

    Forward Islamic invaders, like Talha, are in the second state. Their assigned missions are espionage/propaganda:
    • Make the enemy weaker by turning Infidel Americans against each other.
    • Quietly increase the invasion force size without initiating direct conflict.

    Look at places like France if you want to see America's future when invading troops reach 10% of the population. Closed NO-GO zones administered under sharia law, and an ever increasing cycle of violence.

    The best option is to end the invasion now. Forward combatants like Talha and Ilhan Omar could be sent home with minimal violence. Waiting exacerbates the situation. If your grandchildren have to pay the price for your inaction, they will likely have to pay in blood.

    PEACE 😇
     

    https://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/french-muslims.jpg

    Replies: @neutral, @V. K. Ovelund, @anonymous

    China is doing an amazing job in very early on eliminating the potential for a large scale Islamic insurgency in its northwest. What they experienced in 2014-15 was small scale stuff for what could come. The whole world needs to learn from China.

  36. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Talha

    Message received. I do not know whether I have any particular comment to add along the specific lines of what you wrote, except that old-stock Americans urgently need to deal with actual facts on the ground, not with speculations and theories.

    The test of any immigrant ethny or creed is its observed behavior. If the behavior is tolerable in overall proportion to the ethny's numbers then, in an American context, we should, and will, and do, find a way to get along. That's it. It's not that hard.

    And when I say, “observed behavior,” I explicitly do not mean, “as observed on television through the filter of the Lügenpresse.” I mean, as observed with your own eyes, or as told to you by persons you trust.

    There is absolutely, positively something extremely suspicious about the way Muslims have been portrayed in the Lügenpresse. It's a deflection. The media are deliberately fixating the angst of right-of-center middle America upon Muslims as a ploy [a] to distract middle Americans from the demographics that are actually doing middle America harm and [b] to persuade middle Americans to send their sons off to die in pointless wars on the far side of the earth.

    Please notice (forgive me, Talha, for explicitly pointing it out, but we have an audience) that I have not written one word in this comment that could reasonably be construed as pro-Muslim, except in the addled imaginations of the indoctrinated.

    I said that the test of any ethny or creed is its observed behavior. There are exactly two substantial ethnies in the United States that fail the test. Neither of the two is distinguished by its Islamic creed.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB, @dfordoom

    I don’t think it’s possible to deny that international Islam, and especially political Islam, has some serious problems.

    On the other hand, the US generally has a fairly good quality of Muslims. There are certainly Muslim groups here who hate our country and want to kill us, but I would bet that at least 51% of their membership, and probably a greater proportion of their leadership, are FBI or other alphabet soup agents. Europe seems to have Muslims of a much lower quality, comparatively speaking. Insofar as the US right is associated with the European right, some of their perceptions will carry over.

    Media presentation of Muslims is very mixed; the US right as a general bloc is very associated with pro-Israelism, which necessarily involves anti-Islamic agitation. The US left is very pro-Muslim, but not with any reference to actual Islamic belief or practice, more as a stick with which to beat Christians or “white people”.

    For the same reason you will find that Indian historians of a certain ideological bent, like Shashi Tharoor, are generally pro-Mughal.

    Muslims here remind me of Muslims in Sri Lanka; they were always the closest group to us Christians, and in the massive race riots in ’83 plenty of Tamils were sheltered by Muslim (or Sinhalese; this is off-topic but worth mentioning) neighbors, and we have returned the favor when we can. Plenty of our Muslim acquaintances, by the way, can go drink for drink with any of my relatives; this is pretty remarkable, because we come from a seafaring family. At the same time, there are Muslims who want to kill all the Christians; some of them had a decent go almost two years ago now. Not that that kind is very friendly to their fellow Muslims either.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund, Talha
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @RSDB


    On the other hand, the US generally has a fairly good quality of Muslims.
     
    This is true of nonblack U.S. Muslims as far as I know. U.S. Somalis are atrocious.

    Iranians (for instance) and Somalis are evidently quite unalike. The most economical explanation for Somali behavior thus has little to do with Islam.

    Setting aside the blacks, when you state that the U.S. generally has a fairly good quality of Muslims, I want to keep it that way. It's a comparatively happy circumstance at a time in which Americans can use all the happy circumstances they can get.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Talha
    @RSDB

    Thanks for those insights. I remember growing up in Pakistan and I had no clue some of the kids I knew and played with were Christian, my parents didn’t treat them any differently than anyone else. I found out years later when we were discussing old times in Karachi with my father.


    At the same time, there are Muslims who want to kill all the Christians; some of them had a decent go almost two years ago now. Not that that kind is very friendly to their fellow Muslims either.
     
    I remember looking the guy up and confirming my suspicions. It’s always the same with these guys, you can come up with a script and they’ll all follow it:
    “Next came his studies in Islamic law. But the more he learned, the more Zahran argued that his teachers were too liberal in their reading of the holy book.
    “He was against our teaching and the way we interpreted the Koran – he wanted his radical Islam,” said Aliyar. “So we kicked him out.”…
    Zahran joined a mosque in 2006, the Dharul Athar, and gained a place on its management committee. But within three years they’d had a falling out.
    “He wanted to speak more independently, without taking advice from elders,” said the mosque’s imam, or spiritual leader, M.T.M. Fawaz.”
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sri-lanka-blasts-mastermind/black-sheep-the-mastermind-of-sri-lankas-easter-sunday-bombs-idUSKCN1S21S8

    These are dangerous people, I want them nowhere near any community where I reside. “So we kicked him out” is the correct posture.

    The existence of these types and the difficulty the Muslim community has faced in containment/quarantine of these zealots who refuse to listen to anyone is probably the best argument against letting in Muslims (especially without mitigating safeguards). One or two zealots in pre-modern times couldn’t do much on their own, but today’s technology has provided them with a massive force-multiplier boost.

    Peace.
  37. @RSDB
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I don't think it's possible to deny that international Islam, and especially political Islam, has some serious problems.

    On the other hand, the US generally has a fairly good quality of Muslims. There are certainly Muslim groups here who hate our country and want to kill us, but I would bet that at least 51% of their membership, and probably a greater proportion of their leadership, are FBI or other alphabet soup agents. Europe seems to have Muslims of a much lower quality, comparatively speaking. Insofar as the US right is associated with the European right, some of their perceptions will carry over.

    Media presentation of Muslims is very mixed; the US right as a general bloc is very associated with pro-Israelism, which necessarily involves anti-Islamic agitation. The US left is very pro-Muslim, but not with any reference to actual Islamic belief or practice, more as a stick with which to beat Christians or "white people".

    For the same reason you will find that Indian historians of a certain ideological bent, like Shashi Tharoor, are generally pro-Mughal.

    Muslims here remind me of Muslims in Sri Lanka; they were always the closest group to us Christians, and in the massive race riots in '83 plenty of Tamils were sheltered by Muslim (or Sinhalese; this is off-topic but worth mentioning) neighbors, and we have returned the favor when we can. Plenty of our Muslim acquaintances, by the way, can go drink for drink with any of my relatives; this is pretty remarkable, because we come from a seafaring family. At the same time, there are Muslims who want to kill all the Christians; some of them had a decent go almost two years ago now. Not that that kind is very friendly to their fellow Muslims either.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Talha

    On the other hand, the US generally has a fairly good quality of Muslims.

    This is true of nonblack U.S. Muslims as far as I know. U.S. Somalis are atrocious.

    Iranians (for instance) and Somalis are evidently quite unalike. The most economical explanation for Somali behavior thus has little to do with Islam.

    Setting aside the blacks, when you state that the U.S. generally has a fairly good quality of Muslims, I want to keep it that way. It’s a comparatively happy circumstance at a time in which Americans can use all the happy circumstances they can get.

    • Replies: @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Iranians (for instance) and Somalis are evidently quite unalike. The most economical explanation for Somali behavior thus has little to do with Islam.
     
    It is the reverse of your assumption:

    -- The Somali population is exhibiting typical Islamic behavior towards Infidels.
    -- The tiny number of Iranians you personally meet include youths sent overseas by their parents to keep them out of the reach of the political Ayatollah and his Mullahs.

    The "filter of the SJW Globalist Lügenpresse" covers up Muslim behaviour. In Europe the Left Lügenpresse even worse, they intentionally hide names and national origins to conceal the fact that Muslim rape-ugees ravage Christian girls.

    If you could guarantee that immigration would *permanently* drop to ZERO and stay there, perhaps the current count would be tolerable. Unfortunately, you cannot make that promise. Forward invasion troops would be given new orders to break ban by changing the policy or opening up illegal routes. It is already happening: (1)


    11 Iranian Muslims arrested for illegally crossing from Mexican border into U.S.

    What could possibly go wrong with illegals from jihadist regimes such as Iran entering the U.S. across the Mexican border? In mid-January, a red alert was issued over a report of four Iranians with explosives attempting to cross into the U.S. In October 2019, a “terror path” was “proven” as jihadists were found to be infiltrating the refugee stream and entering the U.S. What a perfect opportunity for them, as they are likely to be welcomed by Joe Biden.

     

    If you want to avoid mistakes made clear by history, you have to look outside of your personal bubble. The true danger of collective Islam to Infidels is clear, regardless of your encounters with a tiny number of heavily out numbered individuals.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/02/11-iranian-muslims-arrested-for-illegally-crossing-from-mexican-border-into-u-s

  38. @RSDB
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I don't think it's possible to deny that international Islam, and especially political Islam, has some serious problems.

    On the other hand, the US generally has a fairly good quality of Muslims. There are certainly Muslim groups here who hate our country and want to kill us, but I would bet that at least 51% of their membership, and probably a greater proportion of their leadership, are FBI or other alphabet soup agents. Europe seems to have Muslims of a much lower quality, comparatively speaking. Insofar as the US right is associated with the European right, some of their perceptions will carry over.

    Media presentation of Muslims is very mixed; the US right as a general bloc is very associated with pro-Israelism, which necessarily involves anti-Islamic agitation. The US left is very pro-Muslim, but not with any reference to actual Islamic belief or practice, more as a stick with which to beat Christians or "white people".

    For the same reason you will find that Indian historians of a certain ideological bent, like Shashi Tharoor, are generally pro-Mughal.

    Muslims here remind me of Muslims in Sri Lanka; they were always the closest group to us Christians, and in the massive race riots in '83 plenty of Tamils were sheltered by Muslim (or Sinhalese; this is off-topic but worth mentioning) neighbors, and we have returned the favor when we can. Plenty of our Muslim acquaintances, by the way, can go drink for drink with any of my relatives; this is pretty remarkable, because we come from a seafaring family. At the same time, there are Muslims who want to kill all the Christians; some of them had a decent go almost two years ago now. Not that that kind is very friendly to their fellow Muslims either.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Talha

    Thanks for those insights. I remember growing up in Pakistan and I had no clue some of the kids I knew and played with were Christian, my parents didn’t treat them any differently than anyone else. I found out years later when we were discussing old times in Karachi with my father.

    At the same time, there are Muslims who want to kill all the Christians; some of them had a decent go almost two years ago now. Not that that kind is very friendly to their fellow Muslims either.

    I remember looking the guy up and confirming my suspicions. It’s always the same with these guys, you can come up with a script and they’ll all follow it:
    “Next came his studies in Islamic law. But the more he learned, the more Zahran argued that his teachers were too liberal in their reading of the holy book.
    “He was against our teaching and the way we interpreted the Koran – he wanted his radical Islam,” said Aliyar. “So we kicked him out.”…
    Zahran joined a mosque in 2006, the Dharul Athar, and gained a place on its management committee. But within three years they’d had a falling out.
    “He wanted to speak more independently, without taking advice from elders,” said the mosque’s imam, or spiritual leader, M.T.M. Fawaz.”
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sri-lanka-blasts-mastermind/black-sheep-the-mastermind-of-sri-lankas-easter-sunday-bombs-idUSKCN1S21S8

    These are dangerous people, I want them nowhere near any community where I reside. “So we kicked him out” is the correct posture.

    The existence of these types and the difficulty the Muslim community has faced in containment/quarantine of these zealots who refuse to listen to anyone is probably the best argument against letting in Muslims (especially without mitigating safeguards). One or two zealots in pre-modern times couldn’t do much on their own, but today’s technology has provided them with a massive force-multiplier boost.

    Peace.

  39. @V. K. Ovelund
    @RSDB


    On the other hand, the US generally has a fairly good quality of Muslims.
     
    This is true of nonblack U.S. Muslims as far as I know. U.S. Somalis are atrocious.

    Iranians (for instance) and Somalis are evidently quite unalike. The most economical explanation for Somali behavior thus has little to do with Islam.

    Setting aside the blacks, when you state that the U.S. generally has a fairly good quality of Muslims, I want to keep it that way. It's a comparatively happy circumstance at a time in which Americans can use all the happy circumstances they can get.

    Replies: @A123

    Iranians (for instance) and Somalis are evidently quite unalike. The most economical explanation for Somali behavior thus has little to do with Islam.

    It is the reverse of your assumption:

    — The Somali population is exhibiting typical Islamic behavior towards Infidels.
    — The tiny number of Iranians you personally meet include youths sent overseas by their parents to keep them out of the reach of the political Ayatollah and his Mullahs.

    The “filter of the SJW Globalist Lügenpresse” covers up Muslim behaviour. In Europe the Left Lügenpresse even worse, they intentionally hide names and national origins to conceal the fact that Muslim rape-ugees ravage Christian girls.

    If you could guarantee that immigration would *permanently* drop to ZERO and stay there, perhaps the current count would be tolerable. Unfortunately, you cannot make that promise. Forward invasion troops would be given new orders to break ban by changing the policy or opening up illegal routes. It is already happening: (1)

    11 Iranian Muslims arrested for illegally crossing from Mexican border into U.S.

    What could possibly go wrong with illegals from jihadist regimes such as Iran entering the U.S. across the Mexican border? In mid-January, a red alert was issued over a report of four Iranians with explosives attempting to cross into the U.S. In October 2019, a “terror path” was “proven” as jihadists were found to be infiltrating the refugee stream and entering the U.S. What a perfect opportunity for them, as they are likely to be welcomed by Joe Biden.

    If you want to avoid mistakes made clear by history, you have to look outside of your personal bubble. The true danger of collective Islam to Infidels is clear, regardless of your encounters with a tiny number of heavily out numbered individuals.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/02/11-iranian-muslims-arrested-for-illegally-crossing-from-mexican-border-into-u-s

  40. @Dumbo
    Just more proof, if any was needed, that Democraps are bent on destroying the country, and young people are stupid.

    Yes, they will regret it later when they're older, but then it's too late.

    Replies: @Brian Reilly

    Dumbo, As Mark Steyn said, in demographics, you can actually see the future. Everyone (for the most part) who is going to give birth or vote, or worship, or steal, or invent, or… in 20 years is already here. In the US, white people just aren’t a going concern anymore, and never will be again.

  41. @nebulafox
    @V. K. Ovelund

    The immigrants who came here over the past several decades are now, for the most part, citizens giving birth to American citizens. That horse has left the barn, even if immigration were to cease totally tomorrow.

    The solution's pretty mundane, if long-term: get societal dynamics to the point where having a Mexican or Chinese-born grandparent becomes as mundane and meaningless as having an Italian or Polish-born one. You really think a kid who is 3/4ths white and not prone to SJW-tendencies is going to eagerly hate his relatives? That's *precisely* the scenario the woke are horrified of, and it's not hard to trace a lot of their efforts to demonize "whiteness" as a way of preventing that from happening. They want Rainbow America, not Coherent American Mainstream Revived.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Pericles

    They want Rainbow America, not Coherent American Mainstream Revived.

    If the Woke actually want Rainbow America it would be in their interests to discourage race mixing.

    I don’t think the Woke are all that clear about what they actually want. Or perhaps they haven’t figured out that they’re being manipulated by elites whose agenda is not quite the same as theirs. The elite agenda seems to be One World, One Race, One Culture. That’s not a rainbow agenda, that’s a monochrome agenda.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @dfordoom


    I don’t think the Woke are all that clear about what they actually want.
     
    They are hodgepodge coalition of all sorts of strange factions, but their two main objectives are very clear to me.
    1) The elimination of whites
    2) To protect the mega corporations from effects of the ever growing wealth inequalities, every new fad they create (BLM/LGXYZ/1619) is used as a shield for them.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Rosie

  42. Oh no, the whites sans diplomas will get replaced by Pablo if they keep showing up to the gas station cashier job rolling on opiates.

  43. @Talha
    @V. K. Ovelund


    He takes the proverbial slings and arrows of life in good humor.
     
    Before the 19th century, most Muslims - no matter where you found them - belonged to a Sufi Order of some sort (either actively or tangentially). Many modern Muslims have lost that connection to spiritual teaching/wisdom/guidance. One of the core lessons I’ve taken from my teachers (which I’m also conveying to my children) is that you are not entitled to anything in life. Everything you own, anything positive that happens to you is a blessing from Allah swt for which gratitude is due*. Anything that doesn’t go your way is a trial and test for which you show patience or (if you have reached an even higher spiritual state) even gratitude in that situation for the time you enjoyed the blessing and the chance to grow closer to God via a test.

    Talha is doing what I wish all our immigrants would do.
     
    I fully believe any Muslim immigrant should integrate into the society. By which I mean; 1) obey the laws of the land, 2) adopt local culture and norms that do not conflict with Islam and 3) be of service to the wider community in which they live. I don’t own a single Pakistani flag or item or piece of clothing with the flag on it; I left it back in the old country as I wish all immigrants would with their flags.

    As far as full assimilation, that is completely out of the question, as Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad more eloquently explains:
    “ We have the right now on the terms of the dominant civilization to express our desire to be dissidents, awkward cross-grained critics - not compliant. They will continuously blow the whistle and ask us to run faster to catch up with them but we don't really have to if where they are going is biocidal, planetary annihilation. We want the right to difference.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCqu4ciS44o

    Peace.

    *Even if you are starving, and are granted provisions, you were not owed them and you will be asked about whether you were grateful or not:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqApNaV13uI

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @dfordoom

    As far as full assimilation, that is completely out of the question, as Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad more eloquently explains:
    “ We have the right now on the terms of the dominant civilization to express our desire to be dissidents, awkward cross-grained critics – not compliant. They will continuously blow the whistle and ask us to run faster to catch up with them but we don’t really have to if where they are going is biocidal, planetary annihilation. We want the right to difference.”

    Personally I detest the idea of full assimilation (for any ethnic or religious or cultural group). I like the idea of difference.

    I’d prefer actual multi-culturalism to mono-culturalism. I really don’t want a global, or even national, mono-culture. I like the idea of alternatives. I like the idea of subcultures as well. I like the idea of people having the freedom to choose how they want to live, as long as they don’t interfere with the freedom of others to make different choices.

    My objection to Wokeists and SJWs is that they do want to interfere with the freedom of others to make different choices.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom

    On another thread, I mentioned the one-size-fits-all approach to legal theory and how it encourages a system in which only one group can ultimately win and impose its values on everyone else. This is especially accentuated in a situation in which there is more and more concentration in power towards centralized government over localized government.

    I don’t think you can have true multi-culturalism without two essential ingredients; 1) parallel legal systems and 2) semi-autonomous spaces allowed to build out their own breathing space with freedom of association.

    Right now, if we keep on inviting everyone into the same space and have only one set of rules that apply to everyone along with smashing everyone together in one space without healthy separation; we are building the stuff of dystopian nightmares.

    Peace.

  44. @anon
    @A123

    Jews share U.S. Judeo-Christian values and are well integrated into the U.S. population.

    "Judeo-Christian" is a fake term that didn't really exist until 80 or so years ago. It is an example of propaganda along the lines of Ed Bernays work.

    When has a Jewish member of the U.S. military gone “Fort Hood” and gunned down American troops within U.S. borders?

    When has a Muslim family gone "Sackler" on the US population?

    Here's just one lawsuit among several.

    https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/26/purdue-pharma-maker-of-oxycontin-settles-opioids-lawsuit-in-oklahoma/

    Replies: @Lot, @nebulafox

    “ When has a Muslim family gone “Sackler” on the US population?”

    US heroin comes from poppies grown in Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Lot

    US heroin comes from poppies grown in Afghanistan.

    How about a cite?

    My map shows that Mexico is a lot closer than any 'Stan, and supplies a whole lot of drugs to the US.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-08-26/u-s-drug-crisis-is-made-in-mexico-with-american-raw-materials

    Of course the (((Sacklers))) were even closer, and fully legal in many ways.

    , @nebulafox
    @Lot

    Heroin came from the Golden Triangle during the Vietnam era. You want the problem to stop? Get the hell out.

    No Muslims holding a gun to Beltway heads and making them spend more money annually in Afghanistan than the country is literally worth, GDP-wise. Not even the boy rapists we defend.

  45. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Talha

    Message received. I do not know whether I have any particular comment to add along the specific lines of what you wrote, except that old-stock Americans urgently need to deal with actual facts on the ground, not with speculations and theories.

    The test of any immigrant ethny or creed is its observed behavior. If the behavior is tolerable in overall proportion to the ethny's numbers then, in an American context, we should, and will, and do, find a way to get along. That's it. It's not that hard.

    And when I say, “observed behavior,” I explicitly do not mean, “as observed on television through the filter of the Lügenpresse.” I mean, as observed with your own eyes, or as told to you by persons you trust.

    There is absolutely, positively something extremely suspicious about the way Muslims have been portrayed in the Lügenpresse. It's a deflection. The media are deliberately fixating the angst of right-of-center middle America upon Muslims as a ploy [a] to distract middle Americans from the demographics that are actually doing middle America harm and [b] to persuade middle Americans to send their sons off to die in pointless wars on the far side of the earth.

    Please notice (forgive me, Talha, for explicitly pointing it out, but we have an audience) that I have not written one word in this comment that could reasonably be construed as pro-Muslim, except in the addled imaginations of the indoctrinated.

    I said that the test of any ethny or creed is its observed behavior. There are exactly two substantial ethnies in the United States that fail the test. Neither of the two is distinguished by its Islamic creed.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB, @dfordoom

    There is absolutely, positively something extremely suspicious about the way Muslims have been portrayed in the Lügenpresse. It’s a deflection.

    If you want to control a population the best way has always been to create a scapegoat group as a focus for anger and resentment, and they invent a conspiracy theory to explain why the masses should hate and fear that scapegoat group.

    In post-Reformation England the scapegoat group was Catholics. Lots of hysteria was whipped up about Popish Plots.

    In late 19th and early 20th century western Europe and North America it was the Yellow Peril.

    In the US in the 50s it was the commies. There were communists under every bed.

    In the US today it seems to be Muslims. In Australia today it’s the Chinese.

    The pattern is always the same. Governments and elites (and corporations) focus the anger and resentment away from themselves towards the scapegoat group.

    Whenever someone wants you to hate a particular group of people it’s invariably because there are much more important things that they don’t want you to notice.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  46. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @anon

    “ When has a Muslim family gone “Sackler” on the US population?”

    US heroin comes from poppies grown in Afghanistan.

    Replies: @anon, @nebulafox

    US heroin comes from poppies grown in Afghanistan.

    How about a cite?

    My map shows that Mexico is a lot closer than any ‘Stan, and supplies a whole lot of drugs to the US.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-08-26/u-s-drug-crisis-is-made-in-mexico-with-american-raw-materials

    Of course the (((Sacklers))) were even closer, and fully legal in many ways.

  47. US heroin comes from poppies grown in Afghanistan.

    For those interested in one of our most successful defeats and reversals of official Taliban policy, see below. An astounding and remarkable success I may add.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    Female education…not so much. But you gotta toot your horn when you can, right?
    “Since 2001, the United States has spent about $9 billion on a dizzying array of programs to deter Afghanistan from supplying the world with heroin. In dozens of interviews, however, key players in the anti-narcotics campaign acknowledged that none of the measures have worked and that, in many cases, they have made things worse.

    Ironically, the only power that has demonstrated an ability to cripple the Afghan drug industry is the Taliban.

    In July 2000, when the Taliban controlled most of the country, its reclusive one-eyed leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, declared that opium was un-Islamic and imposed a ban on growing poppies.

    Much to the surprise of the rest of the world, the ban worked. Afraid to cross the Taliban, Afghan farmers immediately ceased planting poppies. The United Nations estimated that poppy cultivation plunged by 90 percent from 2000 to 2001.

    The edict stirred tumult in global heroin markets and disrupted the Afghan economy. But even today, Afghans recall the moment with awe and say it demonstrates the comparative haplessness of the current Afghan government, the United States and their allies in the opium wars.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-opium-poppy-production/

    • Replies: @anon
    @Talha

    The Students shut two evils: poppy cultivation and the practice of Bacha bazi.

    I don’t think you can have true multi-culturalism without two essential ingredients; 1) parallel legal systems and 2) semi-autonomous spaces allowed to build out their own breathing space with freedom of association.

    The easiest way to have multiculturalism is for each culture to have its own country, government, etc. with association across defined borders.

    However GlobalHomo doesn't like that, because it cuts into profits and gives SJW's some bad feelze.

    So here we are.

  48. @anon
    @A123

    Jews share U.S. Judeo-Christian values and are well integrated into the U.S. population.

    "Judeo-Christian" is a fake term that didn't really exist until 80 or so years ago. It is an example of propaganda along the lines of Ed Bernays work.

    When has a Jewish member of the U.S. military gone “Fort Hood” and gunned down American troops within U.S. borders?

    When has a Muslim family gone "Sackler" on the US population?

    Here's just one lawsuit among several.

    https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/26/purdue-pharma-maker-of-oxycontin-settles-opioids-lawsuit-in-oklahoma/

    Replies: @Lot, @nebulafox

    >“Judeo-Christian” is a fake term that didn’t really exist until 80 or so years ago.

    Islam and Orthodox Judaism are closer to each other than to any variant of Christianity, at least in the West.

  49. @Lot
    @anon

    “ When has a Muslim family gone “Sackler” on the US population?”

    US heroin comes from poppies grown in Afghanistan.

    Replies: @anon, @nebulafox

    Heroin came from the Golden Triangle during the Vietnam era. You want the problem to stop? Get the hell out.

    No Muslims holding a gun to Beltway heads and making them spend more money annually in Afghanistan than the country is literally worth, GDP-wise. Not even the boy rapists we defend.

  50. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    As far as full assimilation, that is completely out of the question, as Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad more eloquently explains:
    “ We have the right now on the terms of the dominant civilization to express our desire to be dissidents, awkward cross-grained critics – not compliant. They will continuously blow the whistle and ask us to run faster to catch up with them but we don’t really have to if where they are going is biocidal, planetary annihilation. We want the right to difference.”
     
    Personally I detest the idea of full assimilation (for any ethnic or religious or cultural group). I like the idea of difference.

    I'd prefer actual multi-culturalism to mono-culturalism. I really don't want a global, or even national, mono-culture. I like the idea of alternatives. I like the idea of subcultures as well. I like the idea of people having the freedom to choose how they want to live, as long as they don't interfere with the freedom of others to make different choices.

    My objection to Wokeists and SJWs is that they do want to interfere with the freedom of others to make different choices.

    Replies: @Talha

    On another thread, I mentioned the one-size-fits-all approach to legal theory and how it encourages a system in which only one group can ultimately win and impose its values on everyone else. This is especially accentuated in a situation in which there is more and more concentration in power towards centralized government over localized government.

    I don’t think you can have true multi-culturalism without two essential ingredients; 1) parallel legal systems and 2) semi-autonomous spaces allowed to build out their own breathing space with freedom of association.

    Right now, if we keep on inviting everyone into the same space and have only one set of rules that apply to everyone along with smashing everyone together in one space without healthy separation; we are building the stuff of dystopian nightmares.

    Peace.

  51. @Talha

    US heroin comes from poppies grown in Afghanistan.
     
    For those interested in one of our most successful defeats and reversals of official Taliban policy, see below. An astounding and remarkable success I may add.

    Peace.

    Female education...not so much. But you gotta toot your horn when you can, right?
    “Since 2001, the United States has spent about $9 billion on a dizzying array of programs to deter Afghanistan from supplying the world with heroin. In dozens of interviews, however, key players in the anti-narcotics campaign acknowledged that none of the measures have worked and that, in many cases, they have made things worse.
    ...
    Ironically, the only power that has demonstrated an ability to cripple the Afghan drug industry is the Taliban.

    In July 2000, when the Taliban controlled most of the country, its reclusive one-eyed leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, declared that opium was un-Islamic and imposed a ban on growing poppies.

    Much to the surprise of the rest of the world, the ban worked. Afraid to cross the Taliban, Afghan farmers immediately ceased planting poppies. The United Nations estimated that poppy cultivation plunged by 90 percent from 2000 to 2001.

    The edict stirred tumult in global heroin markets and disrupted the Afghan economy. But even today, Afghans recall the moment with awe and say it demonstrates the comparative haplessness of the current Afghan government, the United States and their allies in the opium wars.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-opium-poppy-production/

    Replies: @anon

    The Students shut two evils: poppy cultivation and the practice of Bacha bazi.

    I don’t think you can have true multi-culturalism without two essential ingredients; 1) parallel legal systems and 2) semi-autonomous spaces allowed to build out their own breathing space with freedom of association.

    The easiest way to have multiculturalism is for each culture to have its own country, government, etc. with association across defined borders.

    However GlobalHomo doesn’t like that, because it cuts into profits and gives SJW’s some bad feelze.

    So here we are.

  52. Even though the public is broadly sympathetic to a reduction in immigration into the US

    The only way you can make this appear to be the case is by excluding those who want immigration levels “kept the same”. If you go to the YouGov poll (p. 156), you’ll find that when you had up those who want immigration “increased a lot”, “increased a little”, or “kept the same”, you get to 47%. Restrictionists (those who want immigration reduced “decreased a little” or “decreased a lot”) make up just 37% of those polled. When you exclude the 16% who answered “not sure”, restrictionists comprise 44%, nonrestritionists 56%.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Freddy List


    Restrictionists (those who want immigration reduced “decreased a little” or “decreased a lot”) make up just 37% of those polled. When you exclude the 16% who answered “not sure”, restrictionists comprise 44%, nonrestritionists 56%.
     
    The thing about immigration polls is that eventually immigrants get polled, even though their opinion shouldn't matter.
  53. @A123
    @neutral


    The jew invasion of America is at 2%.
     
    ROTFLMAO

    The two populations are not equivalent.

    Muslims cannot be safely assimilated as Americans. Look at the Fort Hood massacre if you need a reminder of the risk.

    Jews share U.S. Judeo-Christian values and are well integrated into the U.S. population. When has a Jewish member of the U.S. military gone "Fort Hood" and gunned down American troops within U.S. borders?

    Do not be deceived by the apostate Elites in the Harris/Biden administration. If you have a problem with Elites who happen to have Jewish last names, then call them out as Elites.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @anon, @Pericles

    Jews share U.S. Judeo-Christian values and are well integrated into the U.S. population. When has a Jewish member of the U.S. military gone “Fort Hood” and gunned down American troops within U.S. borders?

    Lol, oddly specific that.

  54. @nebulafox
    @V. K. Ovelund

    The immigrants who came here over the past several decades are now, for the most part, citizens giving birth to American citizens. That horse has left the barn, even if immigration were to cease totally tomorrow.

    The solution's pretty mundane, if long-term: get societal dynamics to the point where having a Mexican or Chinese-born grandparent becomes as mundane and meaningless as having an Italian or Polish-born one. You really think a kid who is 3/4ths white and not prone to SJW-tendencies is going to eagerly hate his relatives? That's *precisely* the scenario the woke are horrified of, and it's not hard to trace a lot of their efforts to demonize "whiteness" as a way of preventing that from happening. They want Rainbow America, not Coherent American Mainstream Revived.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Pericles

    The solution’s pretty mundane, if long-term: get societal dynamics to the point where having a Mexican or Chinese-born grandparent becomes as mundane and meaningless as having an Italian or Polish-born one. You really think a kid who is 3/4ths white and not prone to SJW-tendencies is going to eagerly hate his relatives?

    A solution from a far whiter era in US history, one which probably works better when one parent is German and the other Swiss or something. Personally, I don’t consider de facto Brazilification a good way forward.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  55. @Truth
    Cheer up Audie, you and the hoi polloi will soon have a news network all your own...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/qatars-al-jazeera-launches-right-wing-news-platform-americans-who-feel-left-out-msm

    Replies: @Pericles, @Pericles

    A platform for White Sharia at last.

  56. @Truth
    Cheer up Audie, you and the hoi polloi will soon have a news network all your own...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/qatars-al-jazeera-launches-right-wing-news-platform-americans-who-feel-left-out-msm

    Replies: @Pericles, @Pericles

    A platform for White Sharia at last.

    • LOL: Talha
  57. @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    They want Rainbow America, not Coherent American Mainstream Revived.
     
    If the Woke actually want Rainbow America it would be in their interests to discourage race mixing.

    I don't think the Woke are all that clear about what they actually want. Or perhaps they haven't figured out that they're being manipulated by elites whose agenda is not quite the same as theirs. The elite agenda seems to be One World, One Race, One Culture. That's not a rainbow agenda, that's a monochrome agenda.

    Replies: @neutral

    I don’t think the Woke are all that clear about what they actually want.

    They are hodgepodge coalition of all sorts of strange factions, but their two main objectives are very clear to me.
    1) The elimination of whites
    2) To protect the mega corporations from effects of the ever growing wealth inequalities, every new fad they create (BLM/LGXYZ/1619) is used as a shield for them.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @neutral


    their two main objectives ... 2) To protect the mega corporations
     
    I am with you on the emotion, but if you and I wish to be effective, then we shall need some concrete facts. Of which corporation or corporations do you speak? What specifically has that corporation done? By what mechanism (with details, not merely with generalizations) has the corporation's management or directorship benefited? And so on.

    Not that I expect you to know the answers, but without details, here is what happens: [i] Goldman Sachs does something dastardly; [ii] angry citizens react by demanding restraints on abusive corporations; [iii] the legislature responds with anti-business action that punishes your local auto repair shop; [iv] the auto repair shop lays off one employee and hikes its prices by 10 percent; and [v] Goldman Sachs profits.

    Specifics, please.

    , @Rosie
    @neutral


    every new fad they create (BLM/LGXYZ/1619) is used as a shield for them.
     
    And they'll stoop to pedo liberation if it comes to it.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  58. And so it begins. “Biden bombs ‘Iran-backed militia’ in Syria.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56205056

    “Migrants to be vaccinated”

    https://www.dw.com/en/refugees-and-undocumented-migrants-must-be-vaccinated-ngos-warn/a-56664623

    “Invade the world, invite the world, lockdown and vaccinate the world.”

  59. @SafeNow
    I would like to see a poll that breaks-down the subgroups by the ethnicity of the immigrant. I live in Orange County, California, and there is a stark contrast between our immigrants from Northeast Asia and our immigrants who walked across the border. It’s almost as if they are two different species. The vice of the poll in the essay is that they are treated the same.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Altai

    It’s arguable that the ones who came over the border are more likely to be in favour of stopping more. (So long as enforcement doesn’t pose a threat to them)

  60. Immigration in the Biden Era

    Trump was also in favor of increasing immigration.

    Quite the opposite, because society’s winners–the educated, the affluent, the left–are more sanguine about immigration than the losers in contemporary America are.

    You are saying that those opposed to Immigration are losers.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Realist


    You are saying that those opposed to Immigration are losers.
     
    This is exactly why the Right needs to stop worrying so much about optics.

    If you're on the Right, just do what you do. Brush your teeth, too, to be sure. Stand up straight. Don't mumble.

    But stop worrying about how hostile media might portray you. Just stop. You'll lose that game every time, for the rules are rigged against you.

    The only way to win is not to play.

    , @dfordoom
    @Realist



    Quite the opposite, because society’s winners–the educated, the affluent, the left–are more sanguine about immigration than the losers in contemporary America are.
     
    You are saying that those opposed to Immigration are losers.
     
    They are losers. Not in the sense of being worthless people and not in the sense of being losers due to their own faults, but they are going to be predominantly people who are doing badly under the current system. They're people who feel (largely correctly) that they're being shafted.

    They're angry and resentful (understandably so) so they want someone to blame. Unfortunately they usually don't understand who their real enemies are. Their real enemies are the corporate sector, and not just mega-corporations but also to a huge extent small business owners (and farmers) who either can't or don't want to pay decent wages.

    There are also social conservatives (who have been big-time losers) who are looking for scapegoats for their defeat in the Culture Wars. Social conservatives don't want to admit that social liberalism is to a large extent a consequence of capitalism and democracy. So they'll blame immigrants, because they have to blame somebody.

    Mass immigration is a bad idea but it's inevitable that the people who are society's winners are going to be quite happy with it. Money shelters them from the negative consequences of immigration.
  61. @neutral
    @dfordoom


    I don’t think the Woke are all that clear about what they actually want.
     
    They are hodgepodge coalition of all sorts of strange factions, but their two main objectives are very clear to me.
    1) The elimination of whites
    2) To protect the mega corporations from effects of the ever growing wealth inequalities, every new fad they create (BLM/LGXYZ/1619) is used as a shield for them.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Rosie

    their two main objectives … 2) To protect the mega corporations

    I am with you on the emotion, but if you and I wish to be effective, then we shall need some concrete facts. Of which corporation or corporations do you speak? What specifically has that corporation done? By what mechanism (with details, not merely with generalizations) has the corporation’s management or directorship benefited? And so on.

    Not that I expect you to know the answers, but without details, here is what happens: [i] Goldman Sachs does something dastardly; [ii] angry citizens react by demanding restraints on abusive corporations; [iii] the legislature responds with anti-business action that punishes your local auto repair shop; [iv] the auto repair shop lays off one employee and hikes its prices by 10 percent; and [v] Goldman Sachs profits.

    Specifics, please.

  62. @Realist

    Immigration in the Biden Era
     
    Trump was also in favor of increasing immigration.

    Quite the opposite, because society’s winners–the educated, the affluent, the left–are more sanguine about immigration than the losers in contemporary America are.
     
    You are saying that those opposed to Immigration are losers.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

    You are saying that those opposed to Immigration are losers.

    This is exactly why the Right needs to stop worrying so much about optics.

    If you’re on the Right, just do what you do. Brush your teeth, too, to be sure. Stand up straight. Don’t mumble.

    But stop worrying about how hostile media might portray you. Just stop. You’ll lose that game every time, for the rules are rigged against you.

    The only way to win is not to play.

    • Agree: Realist
  63. @Realist

    Immigration in the Biden Era
     
    Trump was also in favor of increasing immigration.

    Quite the opposite, because society’s winners–the educated, the affluent, the left–are more sanguine about immigration than the losers in contemporary America are.
     
    You are saying that those opposed to Immigration are losers.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

    Quite the opposite, because society’s winners–the educated, the affluent, the left–are more sanguine about immigration than the losers in contemporary America are.

    You are saying that those opposed to Immigration are losers.

    They are losers. Not in the sense of being worthless people and not in the sense of being losers due to their own faults, but they are going to be predominantly people who are doing badly under the current system. They’re people who feel (largely correctly) that they’re being shafted.

    They’re angry and resentful (understandably so) so they want someone to blame. Unfortunately they usually don’t understand who their real enemies are. Their real enemies are the corporate sector, and not just mega-corporations but also to a huge extent small business owners (and farmers) who either can’t or don’t want to pay decent wages.

    There are also social conservatives (who have been big-time losers) who are looking for scapegoats for their defeat in the Culture Wars. Social conservatives don’t want to admit that social liberalism is to a large extent a consequence of capitalism and democracy. So they’ll blame immigrants, because they have to blame somebody.

    Mass immigration is a bad idea but it’s inevitable that the people who are society’s winners are going to be quite happy with it. Money shelters them from the negative consequences of immigration.

  64. @Freddy List

    Even though the public is broadly sympathetic to a reduction in immigration into the US
     
    The only way you can make this appear to be the case is by excluding those who want immigration levels “kept the same”. If you go to the YouGov poll (p. 156), you’ll find that when you had up those who want immigration “increased a lot”, “increased a little”, or “kept the same”, you get to 47%. Restrictionists (those who want immigration reduced “decreased a little” or “decreased a lot”) make up just 37% of those polled. When you exclude the 16% who answered “not sure”, restrictionists comprise 44%, nonrestritionists 56%.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Restrictionists (those who want immigration reduced “decreased a little” or “decreased a lot”) make up just 37% of those polled. When you exclude the 16% who answered “not sure”, restrictionists comprise 44%, nonrestritionists 56%.

    The thing about immigration polls is that eventually immigrants get polled, even though their opinion shouldn’t matter.

  65. @neutral
    @dfordoom


    I don’t think the Woke are all that clear about what they actually want.
     
    They are hodgepodge coalition of all sorts of strange factions, but their two main objectives are very clear to me.
    1) The elimination of whites
    2) To protect the mega corporations from effects of the ever growing wealth inequalities, every new fad they create (BLM/LGXYZ/1619) is used as a shield for them.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Rosie

    every new fad they create (BLM/LGXYZ/1619) is used as a shield for them.

    And they’ll stoop to pedo liberation if it comes to it.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Rosie



    every new fad they create (BLM/LGXYZ/1619) is used as a shield for them.
     
    And they’ll stoop to pedo liberation if it comes to it.
     
    Not necessarily. The point a lot of people miss is that the LBGTwhatever thing is not about sex, it's about identity. It's about people desperate searching for a sense of belonging. It's about finding a tribe to which to belong.

    I suspect that you'd find that a lot of the late Millennials and Zoomers who are identifying as genderqueer or whatever are actually very prudish in their sexual behaviour. In fact for a lot them identifying as genderqueer or non-binary or trans is a way of dealing with their fear and/or horror of sex. A lot of them disapprove of actual sex.
  66. @Rosie
    @neutral


    every new fad they create (BLM/LGXYZ/1619) is used as a shield for them.
     
    And they'll stoop to pedo liberation if it comes to it.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    every new fad they create (BLM/LGXYZ/1619) is used as a shield for them.

    And they’ll stoop to pedo liberation if it comes to it.

    Not necessarily. The point a lot of people miss is that the LBGTwhatever thing is not about sex, it’s about identity. It’s about people desperate searching for a sense of belonging. It’s about finding a tribe to which to belong.

    I suspect that you’d find that a lot of the late Millennials and Zoomers who are identifying as genderqueer or whatever are actually very prudish in their sexual behaviour. In fact for a lot them identifying as genderqueer or non-binary or trans is a way of dealing with their fear and/or horror of sex. A lot of them disapprove of actual sex.

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