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Inexplicably, a demographic breakdown of views on George Zimmerman’s acquittal in the case of Trayvon Martin’s death has to this point not been provided here.

Better late than never! The following comes from a Reuters-Ipsos poll conducted in the summer of 2013. “Neither agree nor disagree” and “don’t know” answers, given by one-quarter of respondents, are excluded so that the residual for each bar indicates the percentages who disagreed with the verdict. The sample size for Asians was too small to separate by sex:

Along with Michael Brown’s death, Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation process, Nick Sandmann narrowly avoiding becoming an offering to mollify Moloch, and the Jussie Smollett hate hoax, Trayvon Martin’s killing is one of the highest profile cases in the last decade where the mendacity of the corporate media nearly defied belief.

There were of lies of even greater significance prior to the Martin case–like the ones that helped push the US into the most disastrous war in American history–but the Martin case was arguably the first one where independent social media dismembered the lies of put forward by the corporate media and disseminated that dismembering in real time.

Could the Iraq War happen today, at least on anything like the scale of direct American involvement that occurred from 2003 to 2006?

 
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  1. Huge gap between Hispanic Males and Females. You’d think it would be higher than 50% since Zimmerman is one of their own… it was hilarious (and telling) seeing the media all of the sudden referring to Zimmerman only as a “white Hispanic”.

    Also too bad the Asians aren’t broken down into gender. I wonder if the gender gap wouldn’t be so large.

    And as for blacks, well, God bless them.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    Did Hispanics consider Zimmerman to be Hispanic or White? I'm honestly surprised Blacks are even that high, literally no-one in the black communities here didn't immediately support Travon as a martyr, even many of whom will be going to the Trump rally soon. For obviously

    Love to see this broken down by age or marriage.
    , @Twinkie

    Also too bad the Asians aren’t broken down into gender. I wonder if the gender gap wouldn’t be so large.
     
    There is a pronounced gap between the Asian men and women in just about all political/social views.

    What’d be more interesting for me is breaking down by country origin among Asians.

    Also, this fits with Steven Sailer’s contention that if the GOP is able to paint the Democrats as the black party, the former wins. If the Democrats are able paint the Republicans as the (bad)white party, the coalition of the fringes wins.
    , @Dutch Boy
    I thought at the time that the usual suspects saw the name George Zimmerman and immediately thought honky and then could not backtrack when his photo hit the news. Thus the neologism White Hispanic.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    It's just my take from observation, UFO, but I see the Hispanic women as being some of the least politically oriented people in America (as groups), even less than Hispanic men. You can point at examples of loudmouth La Raza types, sure, but that's just a small percentage of highly-visible ones.

    Many of these women are not bright to begin with and wouldn't be prone to caring about "Citizenship in the Nation" merit-badge stuff even if they were. The history of Latin America is of a few % rich, whiter, overlords, and the hordes of peons, who may revolt once in a while, but otherwise "what can you do, senor?"

    Perhaps the Hispanic-women column is mostly just adding up women who thought "oh, Zimmerman?" (doesn't sound Hispanic) "You shouldn't shoot someone like that ...." without knowing a damn thing about the case. They do watch a lot of TV though, so I dunno....
    , @Bill Jones
    "Also too bad the Asians aren’t broken down into gender."

    It's a skilled job, being a sexer, Tyson gets all the good ones for chick hatcheries.
  2. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Huge gap between Hispanic Males and Females. You'd think it would be higher than 50% since Zimmerman is one of their own... it was hilarious (and telling) seeing the media all of the sudden referring to Zimmerman only as a "white Hispanic".

    Also too bad the Asians aren't broken down into gender. I wonder if the gender gap wouldn't be so large.

    And as for blacks, well, God bless them.

    Did Hispanics consider Zimmerman to be Hispanic or White? I’m honestly surprised Blacks are even that high, literally no-one in the black communities here didn’t immediately support Travon as a martyr, even many of whom will be going to the Trump rally soon. For obviously

    Love to see this broken down by age or marriage.

  3. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Huge gap between Hispanic Males and Females. You'd think it would be higher than 50% since Zimmerman is one of their own... it was hilarious (and telling) seeing the media all of the sudden referring to Zimmerman only as a "white Hispanic".

    Also too bad the Asians aren't broken down into gender. I wonder if the gender gap wouldn't be so large.

    And as for blacks, well, God bless them.

    Also too bad the Asians aren’t broken down into gender. I wonder if the gender gap wouldn’t be so large.

    There is a pronounced gap between the Asian men and women in just about all political/social views.

    What’d be more interesting for me is breaking down by country origin among Asians.

    Also, this fits with Steven Sailer’s contention that if the GOP is able to paint the Democrats as the black party, the former wins. If the Democrats are able paint the Republicans as the (bad)white party, the coalition of the fringes wins.

    • Replies: @NYMOM
    I think the Democrats are rapidly morphing into the party of Left wing nuts (mostly black and some radical hispanics/asians).

    That why they are pushing for Joe Biden as the Democrat Presidential candidate for 2020. It is more smoke and mirrors to fool the American public into voting another Democratic in as President.

    If we can hold on for a bit longer and more people would wise up to this charade, perhaps we could win some more seats in Congress and hold onto to the Presidency for another cycle.

    Ultimately since the Republicans have shown themselves to be weak whenever they get power, the only real way to make some significant change is to continue growing the Independent/Unaffiliated wing of the Republic and come up with some viable candidates running as Independents. Of course we are in a race to do this before we are totally overwhelmed by hordes of immigrants who will have the Democrats in power and destroy our country forever...

    It's a race against time...
  4. Would have liked to have seen the Jewish response.

    The “Asians” designation is mostly useless, just like the “Hispanic” designation. The terms are too broad. Cubans have little in common with mestizos, and Koreans have pretty much nothing in common with Arabs.

    This isn’t a criticism of AE’s methods, just I’m tired of the broad brushes.

    • Replies: @Logan
    The term "Asian," as used in America, pretty much means, or at least used to, East Asians. Basically Thailand through Japan.

    I don't know if it's recently been expanded, but if it has it's only to include South Asians. I've never seen it used as incorporating West Asians.

    I agree 100% that it's an idiotically broad term. Turks and Japanese don't have much in common.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED!. It's time for this one again, I suppose - Oriental is the term and we're done talkin' about it.. (Caution, semi-gratuitous bikini picture.)
  5. AE,

    You queried whether the Iraq War could happen today.

    My response: we might find the answer very shortly in ongoing developments vis-a-vis Iran

  6. Anybody who thinks George Zimmerman is “white” is quite literally insane. A black and brown guy got into it. The black guy died. Nothing to do with whites anymore then Chinese (at least in a sane world).

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    It was the media that created the term "white Hispanic" just so they could revoke Zimmerman's brown-skin privilege.
  7. Zimmerman shouldn’t have had to be found not guilty. His prosecution at all was a disgrace. He thankfully was able to kill that worthless thug in self-defense.

    As surveys on other issues have shown, some Hispanics and Asians are reasonable, but blacks have no sense of morality outside of what is best for their tribe.

    Just imagine the US without this stupid, loud, violent group. What an amazing country it could be.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Zimmerman shouldn’t have had to be found not guilty. His prosecution at all was a disgrace.
     
    Zimmerman was originally no-billed by the cops.  His persecution was the doing of a hand-picked ideologue who did everything she could to railroad him.  He was properly acquitted but still ruined personally.

    I'm disappointed that none of the conservative or 2A advocacy groups tried to finance a suit for malicious prosecution on his behalf.  If they could turn around and ruin the persecutor and force the state to pay substantial punitive damages, that would be a big win for self-defense and a body blow against the totalitarian left.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Our ancestors should've picked their own cotton. But since they didn't, blacks have a legitimate claim to be here.
  8. My guess is that an Iraq style war with Iran is now unlikely.
    The military/industrial/intelligence complex would love to fight one but the Israelis are probably going to be disappointed again, just as they were by their failure to get a US invasion of Syria.

    First, the US no longer has the ground force reserves to fight an Iraq invasion style war. That took over half a million troops, and given the size, population and terrain of Iran versus Iraq it would take even more than that. US infantry forces are hovering roughly around 200K depending on how you define them and who your sources are. This time NATO forces aren’t going to help out either.

    Second, the flyover-country deplorables are sick of being used as cannon fodder in these endless wars. It is telling that the Army is running TV ads with actors depicting ground troops in combat, fighting their way through a desert town. Recruiting ads used to show happy GI’s parading in their dress uniforms, learning useful things like aircraft repair and IT, and hanging around partying off duty. Maybe those deplorables are tired of being used and the complex is starting to have trouble getting recruits for the bullet-magnet Military Occupational Specialties.

    Drone and air strikes are going to accomplish nothing except get the flow of oil through the Straits of Hormuz closed and crash the world economy while benefiting the Chinese and Russians. They won’t make the Iranians bend. The aircraft carrier groups are good for sabre-rattling but if actually used the Iranians may “mysteriously” find themselves equipped with advanced anti-ship missiles and those flat-tops become targets.

    Even someone as dim as Trump realizes the American people have no appetite for more of these wars and an Iranian war would end his Presidency.

    • Replies: @lhtness
    If the Babylon Bee is any indication of Evangelical opinion, they're not buying any of this business with Iran. Just in the past month they've ran these headlines

    "John Bolton: 'When Has The Government Ever Lied About Attacks On Ships In A Gulf Somewhere Just To Provoke War?"

    "In Honor Of Memorial Day, John Bolton Announces 7 New Wars"

    And my personal favorite: "In Brazen Act Of Aggression, Iran Deploys Its Country Right Next To Our Aircraft Carrier"
  9. anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    “Could the Iraq War happen today, at least on anything like the scale of direct American involvement that occurred from 2003 to 2006?”

    Well, they tried and failed with Venezuela; their ineptness in that situation was breathtaking. They are also trying and failing massively at starting a conflict with Iran, although they may eventually get it as Iran is bound to lash out at some point under these sanctions. Social media is playing a large role in calling out government disinformation, as much as I hate to admit it. So, I would say “no” absent Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube censorship of likely dissidents – which they are actually working on right now.

  10. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Huge gap between Hispanic Males and Females. You'd think it would be higher than 50% since Zimmerman is one of their own... it was hilarious (and telling) seeing the media all of the sudden referring to Zimmerman only as a "white Hispanic".

    Also too bad the Asians aren't broken down into gender. I wonder if the gender gap wouldn't be so large.

    And as for blacks, well, God bless them.

    I thought at the time that the usual suspects saw the name George Zimmerman and immediately thought honky and then could not backtrack when his photo hit the news. Thus the neologism White Hispanic.

  11. @Twinkie

    Also too bad the Asians aren’t broken down into gender. I wonder if the gender gap wouldn’t be so large.
     
    There is a pronounced gap between the Asian men and women in just about all political/social views.

    What’d be more interesting for me is breaking down by country origin among Asians.

    Also, this fits with Steven Sailer’s contention that if the GOP is able to paint the Democrats as the black party, the former wins. If the Democrats are able paint the Republicans as the (bad)white party, the coalition of the fringes wins.

    I think the Democrats are rapidly morphing into the party of Left wing nuts (mostly black and some radical hispanics/asians).

    That why they are pushing for Joe Biden as the Democrat Presidential candidate for 2020. It is more smoke and mirrors to fool the American public into voting another Democratic in as President.

    If we can hold on for a bit longer and more people would wise up to this charade, perhaps we could win some more seats in Congress and hold onto to the Presidency for another cycle.

    Ultimately since the Republicans have shown themselves to be weak whenever they get power, the only real way to make some significant change is to continue growing the Independent/Unaffiliated wing of the Republic and come up with some viable candidates running as Independents. Of course we are in a race to do this before we are totally overwhelmed by hordes of immigrants who will have the Democrats in power and destroy our country forever…

    It’s a race against time…

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    While the foreign-born and non-white populations in the US skew heavily Democrat, if n-H whites merely voted 2-to-1 Republican, the GOP would dominate all three branches of government for at least the next couple of decades. Politically, the country could still very easily be controlled by white America if so much of white America didn't hate itself.
  12. I think Zimmerman was correctly found not guilty because he was overcharged. Same with Casey Anthony. Had either of them been simply charged with negligent homicide rather than murder, the prosecution would probably have won.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Had either of them been simply charged with negligent homicide rather than murder, the prosecution would probably have won.

    'Negligent homicide' would be a nonsense charge. He shot someone who was on top of him practicing MMA ground-and-pound moves. There isn't any doubt of that. The autopsy report, photographs taken at the scene, recordings of 911 calls, and the most secure eyewitness testimony are consistent on that point. All the available evidence indicated that Trayvon Martin had quite deliberately refrained from entering the back door of the townhouse where he was a guest, walked 75 yards down a residential alley, and attacked Zimmerman (who had no idea where he was and was loitering around waiting for the police to arrive).
  13. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Huge gap between Hispanic Males and Females. You'd think it would be higher than 50% since Zimmerman is one of their own... it was hilarious (and telling) seeing the media all of the sudden referring to Zimmerman only as a "white Hispanic".

    Also too bad the Asians aren't broken down into gender. I wonder if the gender gap wouldn't be so large.

    And as for blacks, well, God bless them.

    It’s just my take from observation, UFO, but I see the Hispanic women as being some of the least politically oriented people in America (as groups), even less than Hispanic men. You can point at examples of loudmouth La Raza types, sure, but that’s just a small percentage of highly-visible ones.

    Many of these women are not bright to begin with and wouldn’t be prone to caring about “Citizenship in the Nation” merit-badge stuff even if they were. The history of Latin America is of a few % rich, whiter, overlords, and the hordes of peons, who may revolt once in a while, but otherwise “what can you do, senor?”

    Perhaps the Hispanic-women column is mostly just adding up women who thought “oh, Zimmerman?” (doesn’t sound Hispanic) “You shouldn’t shoot someone like that ….” without knowing a damn thing about the case. They do watch a lot of TV though, so I dunno….

  14. like the ones that helped push the US into the most disastrous war in American history

    Which war would that be? Because, I gotta tell you, I think the WBTS is without parallel here.

    • Replies: @captflee
    To be fair, that was hundreds of years ago, and the TV coverage was pretty lame. Although, who knows, the ongoing ramifications of the 2003 idiocy, in which I reluctantly but voluntarily participated, may yet kill us all.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Opinions on that will vary (as will blood pressure levels!).

    For greater consensus, I should've said "most disastrous foreign war in American history", though.
  15. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Would have liked to have seen the Jewish response.

    The "Asians" designation is mostly useless, just like the "Hispanic" designation. The terms are too broad. Cubans have little in common with mestizos, and Koreans have pretty much nothing in common with Arabs.

    This isn't a criticism of AE's methods, just I'm tired of the broad brushes.

    The term “Asian,” as used in America, pretty much means, or at least used to, East Asians. Basically Thailand through Japan.

    I don’t know if it’s recently been expanded, but if it has it’s only to include South Asians. I’ve never seen it used as incorporating West Asians.

    I agree 100% that it’s an idiotically broad term. Turks and Japanese don’t have much in common.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Prior to the 1980's, the US Census regarded North Africans, M. Easterners, and Dot Indians as "Caucasians". Eventually Dot Indians were excluded from this category (according to Sailer, the Reagan Admin thought that making dot Indians eligible for minority gibs would somehow make Indians more Republican; WTF!).

    Anecdotally, "Asians" to most Americans still means those who usually have an epicanthic fold. We don't have a solid reference term for non-Hispanic ethnic groups who aren't obviously European, SS African, or East Asian. "Arab" is something that some older whites use to refer to anyone from the MENA ("Middle Eastern person" or such is also used from time to time). Dot Indians are called, well, Indians.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "The term “Asian,” as used in America, pretty much means, or at least used to, East Asians. Basically Thailand through Japan."

    Agreed. When we see these polls it's impossible to know what exactly they mean.
  16. @anon19
    Anybody who thinks George Zimmerman is "white" is quite literally insane. A black and brown guy got into it. The black guy died. Nothing to do with whites anymore then Chinese (at least in a sane world).

    It was the media that created the term “white Hispanic” just so they could revoke Zimmerman’s brown-skin privilege.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    I thought "white Hispanic" was invoked when it became clear that Zimmerman didn't have a European phenotype. The initial reporting suggested that he was a white guy, then when his heritage became publicized, the media saved face by saying "white Hispanic", which basically meant that his ethnic ID could be whatever you wanted it to be. Sure, he doesn't look like Dolph Lundgren (or even Jose Conseco), but he has an "Anglo" name and he didn't want black delinquents busting into his house. So he's "white" enough to cultural Marxists.

    We've seen similar things happen with police controversies. Non-white officers by virtue of their profession become white enough to have their actual or exaggerated mistakes played up by the media. The mixed race guy who shot Castillo in MN wasn't white, but he was whiter, I suppose than the person he shot. Still, even when black officers are involved in "controversial" shootings/beatings, that never stops the media from the angle that the "white" system (even when more and more of our elites and near elites, since the 1950's, have been non-white) is oppressing black people.
  17. “”Could the Iraq War happen today, at least on anything like the scale of direct American involvement that occurred from 2003 to 2006?”

    Aren’t we about to find out?

  18. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Huge gap between Hispanic Males and Females. You'd think it would be higher than 50% since Zimmerman is one of their own... it was hilarious (and telling) seeing the media all of the sudden referring to Zimmerman only as a "white Hispanic".

    Also too bad the Asians aren't broken down into gender. I wonder if the gender gap wouldn't be so large.

    And as for blacks, well, God bless them.

    “Also too bad the Asians aren’t broken down into gender.”

    It’s a skilled job, being a sexer, Tyson gets all the good ones for chick hatcheries.

  19. @Logan
    like the ones that helped push the US into the most disastrous war in American history

    Which war would that be? Because, I gotta tell you, I think the WBTS is without parallel here.

    To be fair, that was hundreds of years ago, and the TV coverage was pretty lame. Although, who knows, the ongoing ramifications of the 2003 idiocy, in which I reluctantly but voluntarily participated, may yet kill us all.

  20. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Would have liked to have seen the Jewish response.

    The "Asians" designation is mostly useless, just like the "Hispanic" designation. The terms are too broad. Cubans have little in common with mestizos, and Koreans have pretty much nothing in common with Arabs.

    This isn't a criticism of AE's methods, just I'm tired of the broad brushes.

    AGREED!. It’s time for this one again, I suppose – Oriental is the term and we’re done talkin’ about it.. (Caution, semi-gratuitous bikini picture.)

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Or you could just practice some geography and use:

    East Asians
    Central Asians
    Southeast Asians
    South Asians

    Done.
  21. @Logan
    The term "Asian," as used in America, pretty much means, or at least used to, East Asians. Basically Thailand through Japan.

    I don't know if it's recently been expanded, but if it has it's only to include South Asians. I've never seen it used as incorporating West Asians.

    I agree 100% that it's an idiotically broad term. Turks and Japanese don't have much in common.

    Prior to the 1980’s, the US Census regarded North Africans, M. Easterners, and Dot Indians as “Caucasians”. Eventually Dot Indians were excluded from this category (according to Sailer, the Reagan Admin thought that making dot Indians eligible for minority gibs would somehow make Indians more Republican; WTF!).

    Anecdotally, “Asians” to most Americans still means those who usually have an epicanthic fold. We don’t have a solid reference term for non-Hispanic ethnic groups who aren’t obviously European, SS African, or East Asian. “Arab” is something that some older whites use to refer to anyone from the MENA (“Middle Eastern person” or such is also used from time to time). Dot Indians are called, well, Indians.

  22. @Mr. Rational
    It was the media that created the term "white Hispanic" just so they could revoke Zimmerman's brown-skin privilege.

    I thought “white Hispanic” was invoked when it became clear that Zimmerman didn’t have a European phenotype. The initial reporting suggested that he was a white guy, then when his heritage became publicized, the media saved face by saying “white Hispanic”, which basically meant that his ethnic ID could be whatever you wanted it to be. Sure, he doesn’t look like Dolph Lundgren (or even Jose Conseco), but he has an “Anglo” name and he didn’t want black delinquents busting into his house. So he’s “white” enough to cultural Marxists.

    We’ve seen similar things happen with police controversies. Non-white officers by virtue of their profession become white enough to have their actual or exaggerated mistakes played up by the media. The mixed race guy who shot Castillo in MN wasn’t white, but he was whiter, I suppose than the person he shot. Still, even when black officers are involved in “controversial” shootings/beatings, that never stops the media from the angle that the “white” system (even when more and more of our elites and near elites, since the 1950’s, have been non-white) is oppressing black people.

  23. @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED!. It's time for this one again, I suppose - Oriental is the term and we're done talkin' about it.. (Caution, semi-gratuitous bikini picture.)

    Or you could just practice some geography and use:

    East Asians
    Central Asians
    Southeast Asians
    South Asians

    Done.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    https://i1.kym-cdn.com/news_feeds/icons/mobile/000/021/108/938.jpg
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    [To the schoolmarm - I understand that this handy pocket guide may have terms that are not approved here, but keep in mind that this is an admonishment and guide to the proper terminology. I am not actually USING these terms. Plus, funny is funny. Thank you in advance for your support in this matter.]

    Twinkie, you happen to be writing to a guy that LUVS LUVS LUVS! maps and geography. However, those terms are just bland and non-descriptive (non-evocative?) of the people in question. They are type of terms that a computer would simply use, and remind me very specifically of the Newspeak in 1984 - "East Asiana" anyone?

    That DOES seem to be the trend though, but, just like BCE/CE vs. BC/AD, I neither have to like it nor use it: Here is Peak Stupidity's pocket guide to the new terminology:


    Peak Stupidity PC Terminology Changes (Rev 1.15a):

    “Indian” is out – “Subcontinental” is in (like there aren’t lots of pieces of continents around, say the Yucatan and Iberian peninsulas).

    “Oriental” is out – “Northeastern Asian”, “Southeastern Asian”, “West-by-Northwestern” Asian, “38th Parallel Asian”, and “Arctic Circular Asian” are in.

    “Beaner”, “Greaser”, “Chicano” and “Latino” are out – “Mexican”, “Central American”, and “Yucatan Peninsularian” are in.

    “Negro” and variations thereof, along with “dude from some shithole”, are out – “[cardinal direction] African” is in.

    “Towel Head”, “Rag Head”, basically “[any type of woven fabric] – head” are out – “MENA”, MENAing Middle East North African, is in.

    “Big Samoan Fat Fuck” is out – “SPIFF”, meaning “Southwestern Pacific Island Fat Fuck” is in
     

    Feel free to print it out and laminate it. No charge, as a special one-time multi-level marketing scheme offer to Unz readers.
  24. @Logan
    The term "Asian," as used in America, pretty much means, or at least used to, East Asians. Basically Thailand through Japan.

    I don't know if it's recently been expanded, but if it has it's only to include South Asians. I've never seen it used as incorporating West Asians.

    I agree 100% that it's an idiotically broad term. Turks and Japanese don't have much in common.

    “The term “Asian,” as used in America, pretty much means, or at least used to, East Asians. Basically Thailand through Japan.”

    Agreed. When we see these polls it’s impossible to know what exactly they mean.

  25. @Twinkie
    Or you could just practice some geography and use:

    East Asians
    Central Asians
    Southeast Asians
    South Asians

    Done.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I agree that you sound like an alcoholic on drugs.
  26. I’d like to see the gay-straight breakdown. Trayvon’s attack on Zimmerman was gay-bashing. Zimmerman isn’t gay, but Trayvon thought he was. Appropos another thread on this site, maybe George is due some reparations because Trayvon engaged in thoughtcrime.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    By a 2-to-1 margin those in the poll disagreed with the verdict, so either the anti-gay angle didn't get out--I don't recall it--or the LGBTs didn't care.
  27. @MikeatMikedotMike
    https://i1.kym-cdn.com/news_feeds/icons/mobile/000/021/108/938.jpg

    I agree that you sound like an alcoholic on drugs.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/496018/177283538/stock-photo-asia-businessman-speechless-177283538.jpg
  28. @Twinkie
    I agree that you sound like an alcoholic on drugs.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I did not know you were an unattractive, bald Asian guy. My sympathies.
  29. @Kirt
    I think Zimmerman was correctly found not guilty because he was overcharged. Same with Casey Anthony. Had either of them been simply charged with negligent homicide rather than murder, the prosecution would probably have won.

    Had either of them been simply charged with negligent homicide rather than murder, the prosecution would probably have won.

    ‘Negligent homicide’ would be a nonsense charge. He shot someone who was on top of him practicing MMA ground-and-pound moves. There isn’t any doubt of that. The autopsy report, photographs taken at the scene, recordings of 911 calls, and the most secure eyewitness testimony are consistent on that point. All the available evidence indicated that Trayvon Martin had quite deliberately refrained from entering the back door of the townhouse where he was a guest, walked 75 yards down a residential alley, and attacked Zimmerman (who had no idea where he was and was loitering around waiting for the police to arrive).

  30. @Twinkie
    Or you could just practice some geography and use:

    East Asians
    Central Asians
    Southeast Asians
    South Asians

    Done.

    [To the schoolmarm – I understand that this handy pocket guide may have terms that are not approved here, but keep in mind that this is an admonishment and guide to the proper terminology. I am not actually USING these terms. Plus, funny is funny. Thank you in advance for your support in this matter.]

    Twinkie, you happen to be writing to a guy that LUVS LUVS LUVS! maps and geography. However, those terms are just bland and non-descriptive (non-evocative?) of the people in question. They are type of terms that a computer would simply use, and remind me very specifically of the Newspeak in 1984 – “East Asiana” anyone?

    That DOES seem to be the trend though, but, just like BCE/CE vs. BC/AD, I neither have to like it nor use it: Here is Peak Stupidity’s pocket guide to the new terminology:

    Peak Stupidity PC Terminology Changes (Rev 1.15a):

    “Indian” is out – “Subcontinental” is in (like there aren’t lots of pieces of continents around, say the Yucatan and Iberian peninsulas).

    “Oriental” is out – “Northeastern Asian”, “Southeastern Asian”, “West-by-Northwestern” Asian, “38th Parallel Asian”, and “Arctic Circular Asian” are in.

    “Beaner”, “Greaser”, “Chicano” and “Latino” are out – “Mexican”, “Central American”, and “Yucatan Peninsularian” are in.

    “Negro” and variations thereof, along with “dude from some shithole”, are out – “[cardinal direction] African” is in.

    “Towel Head”, “Rag Head”, basically “[any type of woven fabric] – head” are out – “MENA”, MENAing Middle East North African, is in.

    “Big Samoan Fat Fuck” is out – “SPIFF”, meaning “Southwestern Pacific Island Fat Fuck” is in

    Feel free to print it out and laminate it. No charge, as a special one-time multi-level marketing scheme offer to Unz readers.

    • LOL: Craig Nelsen
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Schoolmarm approves of most of the old terms you're tossing into the garbage.

    She does not like the Samoan one, though, especially since she is supporting a Samoan for president.
  31. @Marty T
    Zimmerman shouldn't have had to be found not guilty. His prosecution at all was a disgrace. He thankfully was able to kill that worthless thug in self-defense.

    As surveys on other issues have shown, some Hispanics and Asians are reasonable, but blacks have no sense of morality outside of what is best for their tribe.

    Just imagine the US without this stupid, loud, violent group. What an amazing country it could be.

    Zimmerman shouldn’t have had to be found not guilty. His prosecution at all was a disgrace.

    Zimmerman was originally no-billed by the cops.  His persecution was the doing of a hand-picked ideologue who did everything she could to railroad him.  He was properly acquitted but still ruined personally.

    I’m disappointed that none of the conservative or 2A advocacy groups tried to finance a suit for malicious prosecution on his behalf.  If they could turn around and ruin the persecutor and force the state to pay substantial punitive damages, that would be a big win for self-defense and a body blow against the totalitarian left.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    The Attorney-General of Florida snookered Gov. Scott into naming Angela Corey the special prosecutor. Assessing her behavior in other cases, Glenn Reynolds offered that a common element seems to be a hostility to people who defend themselves with firearms. Jerilyn Merritt's assessment of the case in sum was that a great deal of the testy back-and-forth between the judge and the defense attorneys was quite normal for a criminal trial, but the prosecutors repeated efforts to play hide-the-ball with the defense were highly unprofessional and outside her experience.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    With Gawker, with Oberlain--and hopefully with Sandmann--we are being shown the light. Lawfare is the way to bring the hammer down on our abyssal persecutors. We have to make use of it. It's an especially viable option for private persons who are set upon by media or state/governmental agencies.
  32. @Alfa158
    My guess is that an Iraq style war with Iran is now unlikely.
    The military/industrial/intelligence complex would love to fight one but the Israelis are probably going to be disappointed again, just as they were by their failure to get a US invasion of Syria.

    First, the US no longer has the ground force reserves to fight an Iraq invasion style war. That took over half a million troops, and given the size, population and terrain of Iran versus Iraq it would take even more than that. US infantry forces are hovering roughly around 200K depending on how you define them and who your sources are. This time NATO forces aren’t going to help out either.

    Second, the flyover-country deplorables are sick of being used as cannon fodder in these endless wars. It is telling that the Army is running TV ads with actors depicting ground troops in combat, fighting their way through a desert town. Recruiting ads used to show happy GI’s parading in their dress uniforms, learning useful things like aircraft repair and IT, and hanging around partying off duty. Maybe those deplorables are tired of being used and the complex is starting to have trouble getting recruits for the bullet-magnet Military Occupational Specialties.

    Drone and air strikes are going to accomplish nothing except get the flow of oil through the Straits of Hormuz closed and crash the world economy while benefiting the Chinese and Russians. They won’t make the Iranians bend. The aircraft carrier groups are good for sabre-rattling but if actually used the Iranians may “mysteriously” find themselves equipped with advanced anti-ship missiles and those flat-tops become targets.

    Even someone as dim as Trump realizes the American people have no appetite for more of these wars and an Iranian war would end his Presidency.

    If the Babylon Bee is any indication of Evangelical opinion, they’re not buying any of this business with Iran. Just in the past month they’ve ran these headlines

    “John Bolton: ‘When Has The Government Ever Lied About Attacks On Ships In A Gulf Somewhere Just To Provoke War?”

    “In Honor Of Memorial Day, John Bolton Announces 7 New Wars”

    And my personal favorite: “In Brazen Act Of Aggression, Iran Deploys Its Country Right Next To Our Aircraft Carrier”

  33. @Mr. Rational

    Zimmerman shouldn’t have had to be found not guilty. His prosecution at all was a disgrace.
     
    Zimmerman was originally no-billed by the cops.  His persecution was the doing of a hand-picked ideologue who did everything she could to railroad him.  He was properly acquitted but still ruined personally.

    I'm disappointed that none of the conservative or 2A advocacy groups tried to finance a suit for malicious prosecution on his behalf.  If they could turn around and ruin the persecutor and force the state to pay substantial punitive damages, that would be a big win for self-defense and a body blow against the totalitarian left.

    The Attorney-General of Florida snookered Gov. Scott into naming Angela Corey the special prosecutor. Assessing her behavior in other cases, Glenn Reynolds offered that a common element seems to be a hostility to people who defend themselves with firearms. Jerilyn Merritt’s assessment of the case in sum was that a great deal of the testy back-and-forth between the judge and the defense attorneys was quite normal for a criminal trial, but the prosecutors repeated efforts to play hide-the-ball with the defense were highly unprofessional and outside her experience.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    The Attorney-General of Florida snookered Gov. Scott into naming Angela Corey the special prosecutor.
     
    Or was Pam Bondi simply not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree?
  34. @MikeatMikedotMike
    https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/496018/177283538/stock-photo-asia-businessman-speechless-177283538.jpg

    I did not know you were an unattractive, bald Asian guy. My sympathies.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm an oriental.
  35. @Marty T
    Zimmerman shouldn't have had to be found not guilty. His prosecution at all was a disgrace. He thankfully was able to kill that worthless thug in self-defense.

    As surveys on other issues have shown, some Hispanics and Asians are reasonable, but blacks have no sense of morality outside of what is best for their tribe.

    Just imagine the US without this stupid, loud, violent group. What an amazing country it could be.

    Our ancestors should’ve picked their own cotton. But since they didn’t, blacks have a legitimate claim to be here.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Only among those whose ancestors grew tobacco and cotton.  None of my ancestors did.

    We owe them NOTHING (and even if we had, that debt has been paid in full many times over).  They have to go.  "Back" is optional.  "Gone" is mandatory.
  36. @Audacious Epigone
    Our ancestors should've picked their own cotton. But since they didn't, blacks have a legitimate claim to be here.

    Only among those whose ancestors grew tobacco and cotton.  None of my ancestors did.

    We owe them NOTHING (and even if we had, that debt has been paid in full many times over).  They have to go.  “Back” is optional.  “Gone” is mandatory.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    Proper reparations would be a one way cruise back to Africa for all of them. Unless they are willing to live under Jim Crow laws.
  37. @NYMOM
    I think the Democrats are rapidly morphing into the party of Left wing nuts (mostly black and some radical hispanics/asians).

    That why they are pushing for Joe Biden as the Democrat Presidential candidate for 2020. It is more smoke and mirrors to fool the American public into voting another Democratic in as President.

    If we can hold on for a bit longer and more people would wise up to this charade, perhaps we could win some more seats in Congress and hold onto to the Presidency for another cycle.

    Ultimately since the Republicans have shown themselves to be weak whenever they get power, the only real way to make some significant change is to continue growing the Independent/Unaffiliated wing of the Republic and come up with some viable candidates running as Independents. Of course we are in a race to do this before we are totally overwhelmed by hordes of immigrants who will have the Democrats in power and destroy our country forever...

    It's a race against time...

    While the foreign-born and non-white populations in the US skew heavily Democrat, if n-H whites merely voted 2-to-1 Republican, the GOP would dominate all three branches of government for at least the next couple of decades. Politically, the country could still very easily be controlled by white America if so much of white America didn’t hate itself.

  38. @Logan
    like the ones that helped push the US into the most disastrous war in American history

    Which war would that be? Because, I gotta tell you, I think the WBTS is without parallel here.

    Opinions on that will vary (as will blood pressure levels!).

    For greater consensus, I should’ve said “most disastrous foreign war in American history”, though.

  39. @Achmed E. Newman
    [To the schoolmarm - I understand that this handy pocket guide may have terms that are not approved here, but keep in mind that this is an admonishment and guide to the proper terminology. I am not actually USING these terms. Plus, funny is funny. Thank you in advance for your support in this matter.]

    Twinkie, you happen to be writing to a guy that LUVS LUVS LUVS! maps and geography. However, those terms are just bland and non-descriptive (non-evocative?) of the people in question. They are type of terms that a computer would simply use, and remind me very specifically of the Newspeak in 1984 - "East Asiana" anyone?

    That DOES seem to be the trend though, but, just like BCE/CE vs. BC/AD, I neither have to like it nor use it: Here is Peak Stupidity's pocket guide to the new terminology:


    Peak Stupidity PC Terminology Changes (Rev 1.15a):

    “Indian” is out – “Subcontinental” is in (like there aren’t lots of pieces of continents around, say the Yucatan and Iberian peninsulas).

    “Oriental” is out – “Northeastern Asian”, “Southeastern Asian”, “West-by-Northwestern” Asian, “38th Parallel Asian”, and “Arctic Circular Asian” are in.

    “Beaner”, “Greaser”, “Chicano” and “Latino” are out – “Mexican”, “Central American”, and “Yucatan Peninsularian” are in.

    “Negro” and variations thereof, along with “dude from some shithole”, are out – “[cardinal direction] African” is in.

    “Towel Head”, “Rag Head”, basically “[any type of woven fabric] – head” are out – “MENA”, MENAing Middle East North African, is in.

    “Big Samoan Fat Fuck” is out – “SPIFF”, meaning “Southwestern Pacific Island Fat Fuck” is in
     

    Feel free to print it out and laminate it. No charge, as a special one-time multi-level marketing scheme offer to Unz readers.

    Schoolmarm approves of most of the old terms you’re tossing into the garbage.

    She does not like the Samoan one, though, especially since she is supporting a Samoan for president.

  40. @Mr. Rational

    Zimmerman shouldn’t have had to be found not guilty. His prosecution at all was a disgrace.
     
    Zimmerman was originally no-billed by the cops.  His persecution was the doing of a hand-picked ideologue who did everything she could to railroad him.  He was properly acquitted but still ruined personally.

    I'm disappointed that none of the conservative or 2A advocacy groups tried to finance a suit for malicious prosecution on his behalf.  If they could turn around and ruin the persecutor and force the state to pay substantial punitive damages, that would be a big win for self-defense and a body blow against the totalitarian left.

    With Gawker, with Oberlain–and hopefully with Sandmann–we are being shown the light. Lawfare is the way to bring the hammer down on our abyssal persecutors. We have to make use of it. It’s an especially viable option for private persons who are set upon by media or state/governmental agencies.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    Yes, but the courts are generally controlled by the enemy so that will only work so much.
  41. @Bragadocious
    I'd like to see the gay-straight breakdown. Trayvon's attack on Zimmerman was gay-bashing. Zimmerman isn't gay, but Trayvon thought he was. Appropos another thread on this site, maybe George is due some reparations because Trayvon engaged in thoughtcrime.

    By a 2-to-1 margin those in the poll disagreed with the verdict, so either the anti-gay angle didn’t get out–I don’t recall it–or the LGBTs didn’t care.

  42. @Mr. Rational
    Only among those whose ancestors grew tobacco and cotton.  None of my ancestors did.

    We owe them NOTHING (and even if we had, that debt has been paid in full many times over).  They have to go.  "Back" is optional.  "Gone" is mandatory.

    Proper reparations would be a one way cruise back to Africa for all of them. Unless they are willing to live under Jim Crow laws.

  43. @Audacious Epigone
    With Gawker, with Oberlain--and hopefully with Sandmann--we are being shown the light. Lawfare is the way to bring the hammer down on our abyssal persecutors. We have to make use of it. It's an especially viable option for private persons who are set upon by media or state/governmental agencies.

    Yes, but the courts are generally controlled by the enemy so that will only work so much.

  44. @Twinkie
    I did not know you were an unattractive, bald Asian guy. My sympathies.

    I’m an oriental.

  45. I’ve got a great idea for a term Americans can use for East Asians.

    Since they’re west of us, let’s call them Occidentals.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    You make a good point, Logan. At the time the term Oriental was coined, Europe was the center of the Christian world and the Orient is indeed far east from there. For us, in this age of jet aircraft travel, though China, for example, is west of us, you don't go west to get there. On the great circle route from Washington, FS to Peking you would start out on a true heading just about 5 degrees west of due north. Amazing! People should shell out $20 for a cheap globe from Target.

    See "Moslem call to prayer and the Great Circle route".
  46. @Art Deco
    The Attorney-General of Florida snookered Gov. Scott into naming Angela Corey the special prosecutor. Assessing her behavior in other cases, Glenn Reynolds offered that a common element seems to be a hostility to people who defend themselves with firearms. Jerilyn Merritt's assessment of the case in sum was that a great deal of the testy back-and-forth between the judge and the defense attorneys was quite normal for a criminal trial, but the prosecutors repeated efforts to play hide-the-ball with the defense were highly unprofessional and outside her experience.

    The Attorney-General of Florida snookered Gov. Scott into naming Angela Corey the special prosecutor.

    Or was Pam Bondi simply not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree?

  47. @Logan
    I've got a great idea for a term Americans can use for East Asians.

    Since they're west of us, let's call them Occidentals.

    You make a good point, Logan. At the time the term Oriental was coined, Europe was the center of the Christian world and the Orient is indeed far east from there. For us, in this age of jet aircraft travel, though China, for example, is west of us, you don’t go west to get there. On the great circle route from Washington, FS to Peking you would start out on a true heading just about 5 degrees west of due north. Amazing! People should shell out $20 for a cheap globe from Target.

    See “Moslem call to prayer and the Great Circle route”.

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