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Net support for the Black Lives Matter movement among voters from the national exit poll:

Is the position of blacks as first among equals in the POC ascendancy turning Hispanics away? Even among Hispanics who voted for Biden, an astonishingly high percentage reported having an unfavorable view of BLM:

That is not the artifact of a small Hispanic sample size, either. The poll surveyed 2,451 Hispanic voters, two-thirds of whom voted for Biden. This is truly remarkable.

Recall that Bernie Sanders did especially well and Biden especially poorly among Hispanics in the Democrat primaries. Blacks blocked any chance Sanders had at the nomination and delivered it to Biden. Steve is on to something.

 
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  1. Wyatt says:

    Everyone can come together and hold hands at how much they don’t like being around blacks. This melanated Aryan can join too.

    • LOL: Lot
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  2. nebulafox says:

    The more the Democrats become The Black Party, the less the GOP needs to be The White Party.

    • Agree: Twinkie, AnotherDad, zimriel
  3. AP says:

    Interesting that among Democrats, college educated whites are much less pro-BLM relative to uneducated ones, than among whites in the general population.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Bill P
  4. Twinkie says:
    @Wyatt

    Who will rid me of this one turbulent negro?

    • Replies: @Truth
  5. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    is cuz saying your not down to turn America into South Africa gets you fired

  6. anon[791] • Disclaimer says:

    Watch the GOP mess it up by courting unwinnable blacks once again with Niki Haley in 2024. She’ll run on corporate giveaways, tax cuts for the rich and ending “systemic racism” (letting black criminals out of prison). Latinos will vote democrat because they have no where else to go, and she’ll lose in a landslide. The GOP will be like “but how?”

    • Agree: Voltarde
    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    , @zimriel
    , @nebulafox
  7. neutral says:

    Only a lunatic worships the most inferior of all races as god like beings. Sadly among white people there are a lot of lunatics, the other non black races are generally not that mad.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Truth
  8. That’s very interesting, because Victor Davis Hanson, on his various podcast appearances prior to the election, mentioned several times that the Hispanics around him were responding to BLM and Antifa riots by getting guns and practicing shooting. I thought he was pulling our collective leg, but perhaps not.

    This is also an interesting take on the Republican approach to making a Hispanic-friendly GOP. Perhaps “family values” and religion are not stronger than KKKrazy Glue but KKKrazy Glue is not stronger than anti-Black! sentiment.

  9. @nebulafox

    The more the Democrats become The Black Party, the less the GOP needs to be The White Party.

    Shame someone couldn’t have pointed this out to JarVanka prior to the election. Hopefully the RNC will take note.

    It’s not like the ethnic cleansing of LA wasn’t already an indicator.

  10. Hispanics seem to form organic societies better than blacks. That could explain their ability to see America’s black people as a force for social entropy they don’t want in their communities.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  11. Jay Fink says:
    @anon

    She is also a hardcore neocon who would get us into a war. I notice a lot of the Trump supporters who have the cultist personality type love Nikki. They don’t know and don’t care that she was a never Trumper from the start. She has none of the populist-nationalist views from Trump’s 2016 campaign. I will be rooting aginst her every step of the way.

    • Agree: Twinkie, AnotherDad, iffen
  12. Dumbo says:

    No surprises there. In many ways, Hispanics are similar to no-college (i.e. lower class) Whites.

    It’s really mostly a question of status, and Hispanics don’t have too much (this also explains why Asians who are more socially ascendant are more into BLM support).

    Also, because Hispanics don’t benefit from gibs to blacks in any way – it means less gibs for them.

    That said, I don’t see as necessarily a good development the GOP having more success among Hispanics. It just means that the GOP is adapting to the new demographic reality, and that is bad for Whites, who will continue getting the short end of the stick, one way or another, and immigration will continue or increase.

    Democrats is currently the party of Blacks + High Status Whites, and Republicans will become the party of Latinos + Low Status Whites.

  13. Twinkie says:
    @Dumbo

    No surprises there. In many ways, Hispanics are similar to no-college (i.e. lower class) Whites.

    It’s really mostly a question of status, and Hispanics don’t have too much (this also explains why Asians who are more socially ascendant are more into BLM support).

    Except Asian support for Trump jumped higher than that for Hispanics in the 2020 election.

    Trump improved his Asian vote +7 over the 2016 number and Biden was -4 over Hillary in 2016, meaning there was a 11 point sway among Asians from 2016 to 2020, a far bigger one than that among Hispanics (the change from Obama’s re-election has been an even more dramatic 20 points reduction in spread among Asians and represents a reversal from the growing Asian tilt toward Democratic candidates in presidential elections since the 90’s).

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  14. Twinkie says:

    Hispanics Souring on BLM?

    I suggested this a few days ago:
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/joe-biden-brought-many-white-men-back/#comment-4267139

    I suspect two things helped Trump with Hispanics (setting aside Cubans for the moment).

    One, the top concern for the Hispanic electorate this year was the economy, which is always Trump’s strength area. The pandemic and the subsequent restrictions and voluntary economic contractions really hit menial and downscale workers hard – a group that is disproportionately Hispanic. Trump wanting to prioritize opening up the economy resonated.

    Two, the black rioting, destruction, and mayhem turned off a chunk of the Hispanic voters, especially males (as it did Asian voters, both were up +6* and +7, respectively for Trump from 2016).

    I actually think that Steve Sailer is only half-right when he recommends turning the election into a white party vs. black party contest. Yes, Democrats becoming the black party means the GOP wins, but the GOP becoming the explicitly white party means the Democrats win. In other words, non-black party vs. black party framing is much more advantageous to the GOP than white party vs. non-white party.

    *Correction: I believe Trump’s 2020 gain over 2016 among Hispanic voters was +3, not +6.

  15. Realist says:

    The chart shows that college is a great indoctrination center for the Deep State.

    • Replies: @Anon
  16. Realist says:
    @Dumbo

    No surprises there. In many ways, Hispanics are similar to no-college (i.e. lower class) Whites.

    Why the derogatory comment against Whites with no college?

    Democrats is (sic) currently the party of Blacks + High Status Whites, and Republicans will become the party of Latinos + Low Status Whites.

    What should the Republicans do to increase their share of High Status Whites?

    • Replies: @rebel yell
  17. Dumbo says:

    It’s not meant to be derogatory. But in America having no college is associated with lower income and having less social status (even if college degrees are becoming more and more useless and meaning only a larger debt to pay).

    What should the Republicans do to increase their share of High Status Whites?

    I don’t know if there’s anything they can do. Virtue signalling is clearly important for this group. They need to feel that they are separate from the rest of the “deplorable” Whites.

    Except Asian support for Trump jumped higher than that for Hispanics in the 2020 election.

    Yeah, maybe I was wrong about Asians. But do the polls separate between East Asians and “Jungle” Asians?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @songbird
  18. @Dumbo

    That said, I don’t see as necessarily a good development the GOP having more success among Hispanics. It just means that the GOP is adapting to the new demographic reality, and that is bad for Whites, who will continue getting the short end of the stick, one way or another, and immigration will continue or increase.

    I hardly care whether the GOP has success because the GOP hardly cares whether my children, who are white, have a future.

    Notwithstanding, the U.S. Constitution stabilizes the two-party system, and the GOP is one of the two parties, so the GOP has little choice but to seek nonwhite votes somewhere. Why not among nonwhites that want defense against disorderly blacks?

    If we would listen to U.S. citizens that are neither white nor black (instead of just imagining that they said what we think they should say), we might learn that defense against disorderly blacks interests them more than does the insincere, ineffective, sappy Republican politics of free enterprise and family values.

    Anyway, if we Americans wanted a pro-white national party, we should have thought of that 30 years ago. It’s much too late, now.

    Democrats [are] currently the party of Blacks + High Status Whites, and Republicans will become the party of Latinos + Low Status Whites.

    That’s probably about the shape of it.

    There are worse outcomes. On the whole, I prefer yours.

  19. @nebulafox

    The more the Democrats become The Black Party, the less the GOP needs to be The White Party.

    If Trump had the IQ, discipline, focus and strength of character to do Trumpism instead of Kushnerism and had campaigned/debated with:

    — the Democrats attack on the “rule of law” is absolutely nasty, toxic. The “rule of law” is precious, critical to civilization.

    — “BLM terrorism”

    — the Democrats “BLM terrorism” and Antifa street thugs

    — Democrats telling one race–blacks–that they have a special right to resist arrest–to not get arrested if they don’t feel getting arrested–is vile; it doesn’t even do blacks any good just gets a more of them killed.

    — America can’t have laws which one race–blacks–don’t have to obey. Laws in America apply to everyone.

    — everyone in America–blacks included–benefits from having law and order; part of the American dream is living in a safe neighborhood, where you don’t get mugged or raped or shot, where your home doesn’t get broken into, where your kids can walk to school … and you won’t have that if the cops aren’t allowed to arrest criminals

    … Trump would be at Mar-a-Lago banging Melania right now to celebrate his re-election.

    • Agree: zimriel
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @MarkinLA
  20. Unz was right about the failure of white nationalist politics.

    This is not an endorsement Trump’s pivot away from whites.

  21. @Realist

    What should the Republicans do to increase their share of High Status Whites

    Take away their status.
    When upper class whites lose their jobs and retirement funds they will forget all about blacks and look to their own interests.
    They will start to notice that free trade, immigration, and a permanent war economy are not in their best interests.
    The Republican party will also have to change its beliefs. Republican leadership still believes in free trade, immigration and wars, the Trump movement notwithstanding.

  22. anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    But in America having no college is associated with lower income and having less social status

    Agree on the social status to some extent, especially in the coastal enclaves.

    Disagree on the income. I know a millionaire who started as a plumber. I know several skilled tradesmen who aren’t quite there but have a 6 figure income. HVAC can pay quite well, depending on how much drive a guy has. Tool & die makers still exist in the industrial areas and they are high-paying positions.

    As we move from the “passive discrimination” phase to the “active discrimination phase” in colleges, and as the college bubble deflates, the benefit of college for young white men will continue to decline. At some point it will become negative – it already is a negative for women if they took out loans to get that BA in whatever.

    The 1960’s – 70’s culture led to a cargo-cult attitude regarding a “college degree”.

    • Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying
  23. anon[291] • Disclaimer says:

    Epigone, suggest you look at the recent YouGov poll. This guy analyzed it and finds trouble. People aren’t believing what they have been told!

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1326528352015032320.html

    Most shocking is that 86% of Trump voters say that Biden “did not legitimately win the election.” 73% say that we’ll “never know the real outcome of this election.”

    Link to the relevant poll at the bottom of his essay.

  24. Mokiki says:

    “High status” whites live in a rarified bubble where they only have contact with the right tail of the black bell curve. Hispanics have a very different experience.

  25. @neutral

    Only a lunatic worships the most inferior of all races as god like beings. Sadly among white people there are a lot of lunatics, the other non black races are generally not that mad.

    This insanity stems from the “facts on the ground” in America.

    Jews pushing minoritarianism could hardly do so based on “Harvard quotas!” or “‘restricted’ country clubs” because that stuff is so petty, so ridiculous it takes very tribal, hyper-sensitive Jews to take it seriously.

    But blacks offered “slavery!”, “Jim Crow!”, “Emmett Till!”, “redlining!” and now “Trayvon!”, “Gentle Giant!”, “Saint George!” and of course the eternal “racism!”. Plus lots of vivid imaginings of gentiles with pickup trucks with Confederate battle flags and gun racks, to take the place of Russian or Polish peasantry or Cossacks and keep their tribal neurons a flutter.

    But the plain truth is white people upgraded their treatment of blacks, now actually–in part the result of all the minoritarian propaganda–bending over backwards to be solicitous to blacks (despite high black crime and disorder). But this good treatment–surprise!–doesn’t actually make blacks better. Blacks remain at the bottom (excepting native Americans on some reservations) on most measures of “civilizational performance”. So now ever more arcane, and white insulting, excuses and indictments must be dreamed up.

    Blacks as your sacred minority totem is crazy … but has the advantage that black underperformance and hence denigration of the white gentile majority, never goes away.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @songbird
  26. Mr Epigone says:

    Recall that Bernie Sanders did especially well and Biden especially poorly among Hispanics in the Democrat primaries. Blacks blocked any chance Sanders had at the nomination and delivered it to Biden. Steve is on to something.

    I say:

    BLOCKED is the word and those beefy armed Black church ladies in South Carolina and other states with high percentages of Blacks in the Democrat Party presidential primary have BLOCKED Sanders both in 2016 and in 2020.

    I wrote this, in March of 2020, about the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY Black lady voter bloc doing there thing to block like pulling guards for Joe Biden:

    More Football Metaphors Involving Black Bloc AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY Voters:

    The Blacks who voted as a bloc to boost Joe Biden could be seen as blockers in football who clear the path for their teammate to carry the football onwards into enemy territory and hopefully over the goal line for a touchdown.

    Joe Biden is the running back who got the handoff from the Democrat Party ruling class and the Black voters of the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY are the pulling guard who vacates his position on the offensive line to run out in front of the ball carrier to block and neutralize any opposing team tacklers who wish to stop or tackle the ball carrier.

    The Democrat Party ruling class is using the Black Bloc voters of the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY to advance the goals of the neo-liberals and globalizers and billionaires and other constituent parts of the Democrat Party Death Star.

    Bernie Sanders is the aggressive defensive player who wishes to dislodge the ball from the ball carrier with a big hit but the pulling guard Black bloc voters are determined to protect and clear the way for their candidate Joe Biden.

    In football, the offensive line guards are big and agile and they are usually bigger than the linebacker defensive players who wish to cause a fumble and score a defensive touchdown. The pulling guards who “pull” out of their position to mightily scamper their way to block for the ball carrier are much bigger than the safeties and cornerbacks that are trying to prevent the runner from advancing the ball for a touchdown.

    The AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY worked for Joe Biden because of the sacrifice and concentrated voter power of Blacks voting as a formidable bloc.

    Joe Biden got the handoff from the globalizer/neo-liberal Democrat Party ruling class and he followed his Black blockers right through Bernie Sanders and the Bernie Broads and the Bernie Bros and Joe Biden got daylight and Joe Biden ran like a bastard to the Democrat Party presidential nomination touchdown.

    AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY explained:

    The AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY is to win the votes of Black lady voters in the South and other areas of high Black population concentration. Hillary Clinton used the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY to fend of Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Democrat Party presidential primary campaign.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/neo-liberalisms-impervious-left-flank/#comment-3755139

  27. Catdog says:

    AE-

    How much is college vs. non-college a measure of generation vs measure of class?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  28. songbird says:
    @Dumbo

    But do the polls separate between East Asians and “Jungle” Asians?

    One of the reasons why it is crazy to aggregate “Asians” together as pollsters do is that South Asians are more closely related to Europeans than they are to East Asians – and it would by no means be logical to aggregate South Asians and Europeans.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  29. songbird says:
    @AnotherDad

    Functionally, the way things work in the West, it seems as though it is impossible to pander to any group of non-whites, or to women, without explicitly promoting diversity, as a whole, and anti-whiteness, on at least an implicit level. We can imagine combinations where this does not happen, but it seems more or less impossible to observe them.

  30. Hispanics Souring on BLM?

    Souring of all sorts is going to lead to secessionism of all sorts and young White Core Americans are going to sour on paying all the government debt racked up by Greedy White Geezers and that’ll be called SOVEREIGN DEBT SECESSIONISM and then the brawl over control of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank will begin. Young White people in White Core America will secede from all the government debt that was used to bribe the Greedy White Geezers into staying mum about the ongoing White Genocide and White Race Replacement brought about by mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and they’ll be righteously angry as all Hell.

    Souring leads to Secessionism and a lot of people know it.

    I have soured on the treasonous and evil JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire and tens of millions of White Core Americans feel the same way and that fat ass baby boomer Kushner/Adelson poodle boy named Trumpy is going on and on about Blacks and the Fed-created asset bubble in stocks and all the rest of the nonsense crap that caused millions of White voters to swing back to Biden in disgust at Trump’s inane and bland regular Republican Party rhetorical crud campaign.

    This Tweet gets at the SOURING by White Core Americans at the treasonous and evil JEW/WASP RULING CLASS of the American Empire:

    I wrote about this White Core American SOURING towards the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire in September of 2020:

    Non-citizen voting in the USA highlights the complete and total illegitimacy of the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire and the essential fraudulence of the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    Force or Fraud to retain and maintain power as the saying goes and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire has lost all legitimacy to continue to function and the only way the JEW/WASP Ruling Class stays in power is because of the fraudulent monetary extremism of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.

    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class is in the last ditch and they are fraudulently using monetary policy to buy off enough societal cohorts in the USA to stay in power.

    Civil War II has started and it will only get more intense when the fraudulence wears off and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class is left with pure naked brute FORCE to maintain and retain political power. Machiavellian Moment and the Minsky Moment and the debt is the stake that will kill the dollar as the global reserve currency and then old stocker White Christians will retake their nation from the JEW/WASP usurpers.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/hillary-clinton-beat-donald-trump-2-to-1-among-tiny-number-of-non-citizen-voters/#comment-4143631

  31. nebulafox says:
    @songbird

    It is crazy, I agree, but do note that “Jungle” Asian doesn’t always mean South Asian: Americans of Filipino and Vietnamese extraction (from two completely different cultural constructs) tend to have a history of voting Republican, for example, whereas Khmers tend to vote Democrat, but for the opposite reasons vs. professional class Indians.

    • Replies: @songbird
  32. nebulafox says:
    @AnotherDad

    I think if COVID never came, Trump probably would have won. I think if COVID came, but Trump didn’t opt for Kushnerism in 2017, he would have also won. What’s done is done and there’s little point in focusing on counterfactuals.

    In an odd way, the new White House epitomizes the notion that America has become a culture of trying to get your boss to take your side rather than building. It’s fitting, if nothing else. Bottom line beyond my leeriness of woke striver distaste for young men like me, Biden and Harris are no more ready to actually address America’s real structural problems than Trump, so I can’t bring myself to care beyond making sure to practice shooting as much as I can before attacks on the 2nd begin.

    In other news:

    I assume all the neocons flocking to Biden’s forming administration are gonna notice this, right? The notion of us ceasing to send maimed 19 year olds to Walter Reed in the service of boy rapists is simply too un-2020ish to be real.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @ThisIsAnon153Replying
  33. Hispanics Souring on BLM?

    White Male Centrists or White Male Moderates or White Male Populists or White Middle Of The Roader Males or White Male Independents or White Core American Males — whatever you call them — Soured on Trump in key Electoral College states and that sank Trump.

    White Core Americans soured on Trump something fierce and Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley or Teddy Cruz or any of the other treasonous politician whores the Republican Party pukes up will make those White Core Americans just as sour.

    This Alabama guy that Ron Unz has featured in the Unz Review is giving a good picture of what went wrong for fat ass baby boomer Trump:

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  34. Mr. Nebulafox says:

    I assume all the neocons flocking to Biden’s forming administration are gonna notice this, right? The notion of us ceasing to send 19 year olds to Walter Reed in the service of boy rapists is simply too un-2020ish to be real.

    Tweets from 2014 and 2015:

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  35. zimriel says:
    @anon

    Nimrata (don’t call her Nikki, she hasn’t earned it) is the Red-State Kamala. She isn’t going anywhere with the base.

  36. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    The chart shows that college is a great indoctrination center for the Deep State.

    So is the U.S. military now— even among the enlisted— especially those doing it as a career.

    E. Michael Jones talks about this in his book Travels with Harley in Search of America: Motorcycles, War, Deracination, Consumer Identity* (the title is a play on Steinbeck’s novel, Travels with Charley: in Search of America).

    Jones says it was Steinbeck’s pressuring his second (?) wife to have an abortion which lead to his decline and self-destructive behavior and his need to travel to escape what he had done.

    Jones says there are two approaches to dealing with past that includes bad choices and abortion, either reconciliation with God or trying to escape your past. For the latter the military is the perfect vehicle for it allows you to get away from your past geographically and is a more livable alternative to substance abuse and self-destructive behavior (often including suicide**). For the former, reconciliation with God (which I would assume for Jones includes the Catholic Sacrament of Reconciliation) isn’t a time machine that can undo killing your own children but is the path for forgiveness and salvation if one surrenders to God and follows His plan for their life. One can know God’s loving mercy and forgiveness with a conversion of heart and mind even after having sinned so gravely. Then again, this should be the approach all of us need to take because we’ve all sinned, sometimes gravely.

    *I’d recommend reading this book which only came in the Amazon Kindle version but Amazon has banned all of Jones’ books.

    **Jones incorrectly says Steinbeck killed himself. This is not true. Maybe he was thinking of Hemingway?

  37. nebulafox says:
    @anon

    It’s not going to happen. Some other insurgent is going to come along if the GOPe is stupid enough to try and reimpose Romneyism, and he’s likely going to be far more focused and serious than Trump.

    Trump himself would have never been nominated had the GOP been willing to throw out some bones on economics, immigration/trade, aesthetics (not pushing Jeb Bush) and foreign policy in 2015/2016.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  38. nebulafox says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    I mean, to be fair, even other Muslims tend to have a dim view of Pashtuns/Mirpuris and their trailer trash ways, but yes. We’re spending billions of dollars to defend pederasts-nearly two decades after 9/11. If that’s not a sign that the Beltway needs to be razed to the ground and sown with salt, I’m not sure what it is.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  39. songbird says:
    @nebulafox

    but do note that “Jungle” Asian doesn’t always mean South Asian

    I generally take it to mean SE Asian, but from the context, I sensed a broader implication.

    SE Asia is an interesting region, in many ways. Strategically, it worries the Chinese more than one would guess because it is relatively densely-populated and filled with jungles. Jungles mean that it is easier to hide troop mobilizations and movements, and that they are more difficult to invade, in retaliation.

    Americans of Filipino and Vietnamese extraction (from two completely different cultural constructs) tend to have a history of voting Republican

    Like with Cubans (though I believe they broadly supported Trump), I suspect this is less true of the younger cohorts. Though, I wonder if it might partly be linked to colonialism – a sort of earlier impetus for cultural integration. The earlier Vietnamese diaspora were very Christian. I’m not sure if it is as true of newer immigrants, though many seem to be Christian.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @nebulafox
  40. MarkinLA says:
    @Twinkie

    Do you think the Democrats wanting to reestablish affirmative action had anything to do with that. It was the Asians in California that kept attempts to end prop 206 in the legislature. I imagine they came out in droves to defeat prop 16.

    They still want to be victims when it benefits them.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @nebulafox
  41. MarkinLA says:
    @AnotherDad

    Well, you can probably add a lot of things to that list. If he had just told McMaster and the other clown Mattis following him he was getting out of Afghanistan and did it. If he had just told Ryan he was building a wall and not signing any tax breaks for the fund managers and did it.

  42. MarkinLA says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    It isn’t that simple. Without vote by mail and vote harvesting a lot of those black and Hispanic votes would have never happened. I think that was the problem. The disinterested voter had somebody come over to his house and pick up his vote whether he really wanted to vote or not.

    The percentages can look bad simply because all those disinterested voters, white and non-white, voted. They are usually Democrat.

  43. Twinkie says:
    @MarkinLA

    Do you think the Democrats wanting to reestablish affirmative action had anything to do with that. It was the Asians in California

    Asians in CA didn’t change voting behavior in the two presidential elections of 2016 and 2020. They gave Biden the same margin as Hillary.

    I don’t think affirmative action had much to do with non-CA Asians voting pattern changing. I think the same two reasons I suggested for Hispanics also apply: the economy and black anarchy.

  44. Twinkie says:
    @songbird

    Like with Cubans (though I believe they broadly supported Trump), I suspect this is less true of the younger cohorts. Though, I wonder if it might partly be linked to colonialism – a sort of earlier impetus for cultural integration. The earlier Vietnamese diaspora were very Christian. I’m not sure if it is as true of newer immigrants, though many seem to be Christian.

    The two most Trump-voting Asian groups in 2016 were Koreans and Filipinos, the only two Asian groups that are majority Christian in the U.S., with Koreans heavily evangelical Protestant and Filipinos Catholic.

    Vietnamese are only minority Christian.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  45. As far as “Hispanics” go, I only know Mexicans, but I know A LOT of them. They haven’t been subjected to indoctrinated guilt their whole lives, and have no problem voicing their disapproval of blacks. Ask a Mexican man if he’d approve of his daughter, sister, single mother, etc. dating a black man, and the answer is a resounding “chalé!” What I find most perplexing is that most Mexicans under 50 years old tend to listen to black Hip-Hop music often; even the ones who are very prejudiced against blacks.

  46. jorbs says:

    Those same exit polls show a slightly larger swing towards Trump among blacks than among Hispanics, relative to 2016 (6 points vs. 5 points, respectively). Did BLM backlash cause more blacks than Hispanics to swing towards Trump? It’s possible but unlikely.

  47. nebulafox says:
    @songbird

    Filipinos are the overwhelmingly Christian ones, for the Vietnamese it was political/historical. And as you alluded to, for the latter, this is for older generations only.

    >SE Asia is an interesting region, in many ways. Strategically, it worries the Chinese more than one would guess because it is relatively densely-populated and filled with jungles. Jungles mean that it is easier to hide troop mobilizations and movements, and that they are more difficult to invade, in retaliation.

    A lot of SEA countries are swarming with mainland Chinese these days. You go to Sanjiang in Vientiane, you feel you like might as well be in the PRC, and Malaysia’s pitching to get wealthy mainlanders to come and retire with their money-ironic considering how the bumi laws have chased the (far more tractable) Malaysian Chinese away.

    Not just them, either: the Japanese often compete for investment opportunities. Soft geopolitical context especially with American power waning. In Vietnam, Saigon’s metro system is being partly fueled by Japanese investment, and you’ll see Rising Sun flags twinned with Vietnamese ones everywhere around the construction sites.

  48. nebulafox says:
    @MarkinLA

    >They still want to be victims when it benefits them.

    There’s just not much in the way of “victim” points to take advantage of, though, if you are an East Asian male, not least because you present A Problem for the narrative of a inveterately white supremacist America. You aren’t outright hated unless you break PC pieties (in which case, nothing protects you) like you are if you are a white male, but that’s about it, and in education admissions, you have it worse.

    The reason why the GOP hasn’t been able to take effective advantage of this is the same reason that they’ve struggled with other demographics: economic ideology that is popular with no one but their donors. The good news is, younger Republicans (Josh Hawley) are waking up to that, and the kind of woke neoliberalism the Democrats are embracing is a juicy political target. Nor does it hurt that other politically toxic demographics that can only survive in the Beltway, such as the neocons, are gravitating toward the Democrats. The bad news is, American politics is dominated by geriatrics. Until McConnell croaks, the GOP Senate is going to be mentally stuck in the world of 1994.

    As a side note, one thing that is under-commented on is how hostile woke strivers tend to be to young men in general who don’t belong to their world, or to a “protected” group. Again: Asian (and Hispanic) young men who don’t fit that mold for whatever reason aren’t outright loathed like their white counterparts, but they also don’t hold the sacred cow status that blacks do, and even a lot of young black men tend to be turned off by a party that seems to think something is wrong with being a traditional masculine male. Who wants to vote for the party of the HR department?

  49. indocon says:

    As dust settles on 2020 elections, I have come around to support Ron’s view. Trump will get the same % in California as he did in 2016, but the changes are very interesting, he will do much worse in ex Republican strongholds like Newport Beach, while he’s running even with Biden in San Joaquin County. With Democrats about to unleash more lockouts, more giveaways to BLM, and more Hispanics entering that middle income bracket where whites tend to be most Republican, I think this realignment is only getting started. Election map like this may not be that out of bounds in few cycles.
    https://www.270towin.com/maps/KZ3gJ

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    , @Twinkie
  50. @indocon

    Election map like this may not be that out of bounds in few cycles.

    I like the map. What’s with Kansas?

    • Replies: @indocon
  51. @anon

    Most young white guys just go to college to party and get laid. “College experience” lol.

    Thank God this stupid and degenerate tradition is coming to an end.

    Foreigners are doing all the real degrees with career paths at this point anyways.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  52. @nebulafox

    Trump would have won if there wasnt mass voter fraud

    He got the most votes in history, second only to joe biden.

  53. There’s always been hostility between blacks and Hispanics, due to the constant struggle of one to push the other off the bottom rung of the social ladder. The same conflict took place between the Irish and the Italians in the Boston my grandparents grew up in. Same damn WASP Yankees pulling the strings from the top of the ladder, as always.

  54. @advancedatheist

    Judging by my own social interactions and observations from living in Central America, I would say your assessment is correct. Some non-Black Hispanics in the US might virtue signal a feigned support of BLM monkeyshinery and mouth all the coalition of oppressed minorities slogans– all of this being programmed by the Democratic Party , but at the end of the day, they are just as uneasy and appalled around crowds of “simios” as most Anglo Whites are.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  55. @Twinkie

    No Muslims in the Filipino-American pie chart? I’d scream “discriminatory immigration policies” if I wanted to make some trouble over that.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  56. Twinkie says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    No Muslims in the Filipino-American pie chart?

    Our friends, the Moros, don’t seem too keen to immigrate to the Great Shaitan.

    Perhaps they are still sore over the American double-cross in 1904 and the subsequent help to the Christian Filipinos to defeat them.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  57. nebulafox says:
    @Twinkie

    As far as their cousins further south go, most rich Malays still prefer the UK, and young, tech-oriented Indonesians often opt for further education in the PRC-an immense irony for anybody aware of what happened to people caught with anything PRC-related in Indonesia back in the Suharto days.

  58. Twinkie says:
    @indocon

    more Hispanics entering that middle income bracket

    I don’t believe that’s happening, however. Hispanic immigrant gains (educational, economic) peak with the second generation and then start to regress.

    https://www.russellsage.org/publications/generations-exclusion-1

    In many domains, however, the Mexican American story doesn’t fit with traditional models of assimilation. The majority of fourth generation Mexican Americans continue to live in Hispanic neighborhoods, marry other Hispanics, and think of themselves as Mexican. And while Mexican Americans make financial strides from the first to the second generation, economic progress halts at the second generation, and poverty rates remain high for later generations. Similarly, educational attainment peaks among second generation children of immigrants, but declines for the third and fourth generations.

  59. Truth says:
    @nebulafox

    An alt account, Steve… Really?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  60. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    Hey, he’s wearing a MIGA shirt, he’s your responsibility.

  61. Truth says:
    @neutral

    When, exactly did kissing beige-colored rear ends become such a passion to the white man?

    I’m really interested.

  62. indocon says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Cuck whites, abolitionists, Kansas finally will unite with Massachusetts at some point.

  63. Dumbo says:
    @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    Most young white guys just go to college to party and get laid. “College experience” lol.

    And the worst is this is just Hollywood propaganda.
    Most males don’t get even that, becoming frustrated incels.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
  64. Bill P says:
    @AP

    Break it down by gender and it probably explains itself. There’s a contingent of white trash females who support BLM passionately (for obvious reasons). Perhaps 5% of white women. I saw one with a BLM tattoo on her thigh not long ago.

  65. nebulafox says:
    @Truth

    I’m several decades younger than Steve, for starters. I don’t have a similar sense of humor or his aptitude for sarcasm, either, and I don’t come from a business background.

    Above all, I lack the visible, frustrated hankering for some past age gone by that motivates many commentators here. Things are what they are: they change. Of course, this doesn’t apply to everybody here, but wanting the past back is futile.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @dfordoom
  66. iffen says:
    @nebulafox

    but wanting the past back is futile.

    We only want the good parts back. The bad stuff can stay down the memory hole where it belongs.

  67. dfordoom says: • Website
    @nebulafox

    Above all, I lack the visible, frustrated hankering for some past age gone by that motivates many commentators here. Things are what they are: they change. Of course, this doesn’t apply to everybody here, but wanting the past back is futile.

    That’s true, but there’s nothing wrong with looking at the past and noticing the things that past societies handled a lot better. It is futile to want the past back but it’s not futile to learn from the past.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  68. Jay Fink says:
    @Dumbo

    My college was ahead of its time. I lived on a co-ed floor in a dorm in the 80s. The girls thought all us college guys were too nice so they brought in rougher blue collar townie guys to have sex with. Although I still ended up having more casual sex than anytime after.

  69. @Catdog

    It’s more a measure of class in the past than it is today. Lots of people go to college who don’t belong there and get nothing but a sense of entitlement and an onerous loan burden for their troubles. That wasn’t much the case a couple of generations ago.

  70. @nebulafox

    Ted Cruz will probably be able to beat anyone the GOPe puts forward.

  71. @nebulafox

    the Beltway needs to be razed to the ground and sown with salt, I’m not sure what it is

    You should conclude all your posts with this, Cato.

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