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One oft-ignored aspect on the abortion front of the culture war is how the culturally dominant pro-choice position is driven primarily by white leftists. The sentiments of black and Hispanic Democrats are closer to those of white independents and even white Republicans (29.3% support, combined with independents in the graph below) than they are to white Democrats even while it is often asserted by those white leftists that poor non-whites will suffer the most from restrictions on abortion. It’s almost as though those white Democrats don’t want the kind of people living in Alabama who would have to come to another state to get an abortion coming to that other state, especially if that other state is the state they live in:

Abortion is an issue that, after surveying all the other contours of the two-dimensional American political spectrum, a space alien would expect to be opposed by the leftists and supported by conservatives. The former tend to favor a perpetual increase in the number of beings entitled to the protections insinuated by an elementary understanding of the concept of human rights. Scientific advances have made more pregnancies viable, at an earlier point in those pregnancies, than ever before. A child conceived through rape or incest is still a child, one whose disadvantages begin at negative nine months of age and so one who the space alien would presume to be entitled to special protections above and beyond those accorded to others.

Having articulated as much, it should come as little surprise that I expect the right to gain ground on the issue in the future. The embrace of abortion is a holdover from the progressivism of a century ago–the progressivism that, abortion excepted, horrifies today’s progressives even more than it does today’s conservatives. It is out of step with the contemporary moral paradigm propelling the marginalized, people of color ascendancy.

For the white left to embrace things like embryo selection and eventually fetal genetic engineering while simultaneously trying to maintain that it is systemic oppression rather than genetics that explains disparities in life outcomes will be, to put it mildly, tricky.

Parenthetically, it is funny that despite the vitriol directed towards white men in Alabama, white men are modestly more pro-choice (45.7%) than white women (44.0%), Hispanic men (36.4%), Hispanic women (31.1%), black men (40.6%), and black women (41.8%) are.

GSS variables used: ABANY, RACECEN1(1)(2)(4-10), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), SEX, YEAR(2000-2018), PARTYID(0-1)(2-7)

 
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  1. “One oft-ignored aspect on the abortion front of the culture war is how the culturally dominant pro-choice position is driven primarily by white leftists.”

    More specifically, elitist white progressives. Most middle class “white leftists” in my estimation are pro-choice in word only, because it’s goodthink. There’s also the Jewish factor. Jews (or at least the admitted ones) may only make up 2% of the population, but they make up a much larger percentage of the upper white class, which is the group primarily driving our descent into progressive oblivion.

    I’d be interested to see a similar survey broken down along specific ethnic/religious lines. Jew, Catholic, Protestant, muslim, atheist.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    I’d be interested to see a similar survey broken down along specific ethnic/religious lines. Jew, Catholic, Protestant, muslim, atheist.
     
    Right. That would be interesting. Anti-abortion is really a Christian-specific issue. In fact it isn't even a pan-trad social issue.
    , @Audacious Epigone, @LondonBob
    I do wonder how much the upper middle class drift left is Jewish or Jewish driven?

    I actually favour the Islamic approach to abortion.
  2. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "One oft-ignored aspect on the abortion front of the culture war is how the culturally dominant pro-choice position is driven primarily by white leftists."

    More specifically, elitist white progressives. Most middle class "white leftists" in my estimation are pro-choice in word only, because it's goodthink. There's also the Jewish factor. Jews (or at least the admitted ones) may only make up 2% of the population, but they make up a much larger percentage of the upper white class, which is the group primarily driving our descent into progressive oblivion.

    I'd be interested to see a similar survey broken down along specific ethnic/religious lines. Jew, Catholic, Protestant, muslim, atheist.

    I’d be interested to see a similar survey broken down along specific ethnic/religious lines. Jew, Catholic, Protestant, muslim, atheist.

    Right. That would be interesting. Anti-abortion is really a Christian-specific issue. In fact it isn’t even a pan-trad social issue.

    • Replies: @14wordstofreedom
    Yes, Jews agree that being anti-abortion is a specifically Christian value: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-alabama-s-anti-abortion-law-this-is-what-christian-rule-looks-like-in-america-1.7248187
    , @rexl
    Are you saying that Muslims are pro-abortion?
  3. You are all idiots about abortion. Right and left and this writer who doesn’t even get it.

    You don’t stop abortion by making it illegal. You don’t, you idiots. It doesn’t matter if you “support” it or “oppose” it. You don’t stop it by making it illegal. You don’t. It is a statistical fact. So all you’re statistics are kiboshed by this simple statistical fact you are in denial, serious denial about, because the fact scares you so much.

    • Agree: MarkU
    • Replies: @gebrauchshund
    Uhhh...you don't stop things like armed robbery by making them illegal either, dumbass.

    And please, learn the difference between "you're" and "your", it's really not that hard.
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    I get that a golden opportunity was missed by your mother.
    , @Digital Samizdat
    Strictly speaking, laws against murder, rape, armed robbery, etc., don't completely put a stop to those acts either. But they probably do have a restraining effect, which is the point.
  4. Bah! Asians yet again preposterously grouped as a monolithic entity with the term “Asian”. How exactly is this allowed to continue? I can’t catch a break. I really can’t. It would have been nice seeing the shifts in political allegiance amongst more deep-rooted and ancient groups like the Filipinos, or Japanese who have been in the US for far longer due to colonialism and exclusion from the ASIATIC BARRED ZONE immigration laws, compared to other ethnic group, like Indians.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Asians could always go back to Asia, you know.
  5. One question I have is if black people are moderate on the abortion issue how come they vote so heavily pro-choice when it becomes an issue in a ballot amendment? The states of Tennessee and Alabama both had anti-abortion measures during the past few years which passed by a significant margin (53-47% in TN and 59-41% in AL) yet in both states they failed pretty badly in all the majority-black areas of the state. Of course, one could say that if southern blacks were moderate on abortion they would vote way to the left of southern whites, who tend to be really conservative on all social issues (less so on economic issues, especially in Appalachia) but even so the statistics seem to indicate the average black person votes as heavily pro-abortion as the average white person in a liberal state like Oregon (where the anti-abortion ballot measure last year failed 65-35%)

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Aware of exit polling on any abortion ballot initiatives? It's not something I've looked into before.
  6. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "One oft-ignored aspect on the abortion front of the culture war is how the culturally dominant pro-choice position is driven primarily by white leftists."

    More specifically, elitist white progressives. Most middle class "white leftists" in my estimation are pro-choice in word only, because it's goodthink. There's also the Jewish factor. Jews (or at least the admitted ones) may only make up 2% of the population, but they make up a much larger percentage of the upper white class, which is the group primarily driving our descent into progressive oblivion.

    I'd be interested to see a similar survey broken down along specific ethnic/religious lines. Jew, Catholic, Protestant, muslim, atheist.
  7. @obwandiyag
    You are all idiots about abortion. Right and left and this writer who doesn't even get it.

    You don't stop abortion by making it illegal. You don't, you idiots. It doesn't matter if you "support" it or "oppose" it. You don't stop it by making it illegal. You don't. It is a statistical fact. So all you're statistics are kiboshed by this simple statistical fact you are in denial, serious denial about, because the fact scares you so much.

    Uhhh…you don’t stop things like armed robbery by making them illegal either, dumbass.

    And please, learn the difference between “you’re” and “your”, it’s really not that hard.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Only cretinous, subhuman trolls correct spelling online. Makes them feel superior. Only inferior people need things to make them feel superior. Amazing how unselfaware they are.
    , @obwandiyag
    Can't tell the difference between grammar and spelling.
  8. @obwandiyag
    You are all idiots about abortion. Right and left and this writer who doesn't even get it.

    You don't stop abortion by making it illegal. You don't, you idiots. It doesn't matter if you "support" it or "oppose" it. You don't stop it by making it illegal. You don't. It is a statistical fact. So all you're statistics are kiboshed by this simple statistical fact you are in denial, serious denial about, because the fact scares you so much.

    I get that a golden opportunity was missed by your mother.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  9. Made a chart comparing Gen Z White Women responses for the gotoquiz and Hispanic Heritage poll

    A lot of states have very similar results i.e Florida or Pennsylvania. Only really noticeable exceptions are states like Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky,Mississippi, Montana et cetra

    The trend is of southern white women going more GOP, while the Midwest turn to the GOP being white men is even more apparent.

    And here it is with males added

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Correlate results at the state level! I will at some point if you don't. Just by eye-balling it, the r-value is going to be high.
  10. @obwandiyag
    You are all idiots about abortion. Right and left and this writer who doesn't even get it.

    You don't stop abortion by making it illegal. You don't, you idiots. It doesn't matter if you "support" it or "oppose" it. You don't stop it by making it illegal. You don't. It is a statistical fact. So all you're statistics are kiboshed by this simple statistical fact you are in denial, serious denial about, because the fact scares you so much.

    Strictly speaking, laws against murder, rape, armed robbery, etc., don’t completely put a stop to those acts either. But they probably do have a restraining effect, which is the point.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Not it isn't, you complete and utter imbecile.

    A. Comparison with other laws is false, odious analogy.
    B. Making abortion illegal increases its incidence.

    Learn some facts, child.
  11. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "One oft-ignored aspect on the abortion front of the culture war is how the culturally dominant pro-choice position is driven primarily by white leftists."

    More specifically, elitist white progressives. Most middle class "white leftists" in my estimation are pro-choice in word only, because it's goodthink. There's also the Jewish factor. Jews (or at least the admitted ones) may only make up 2% of the population, but they make up a much larger percentage of the upper white class, which is the group primarily driving our descent into progressive oblivion.

    I'd be interested to see a similar survey broken down along specific ethnic/religious lines. Jew, Catholic, Protestant, muslim, atheist.

    I do wonder how much the upper middle class drift left is Jewish or Jewish driven?

    I actually favour the Islamic approach to abortion.

  12. 216 says:

    O/T

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/austrian-vice-chancellor-resigns-over-secret-video-footage/ar-AABxEEG?ocid=spartanntp

    Austrian media said the coalition was unlikely to survive. “The FPO is finished,” ran the headline in the Krone Zeitung. Die Presse said the coalition was on the brink. “This is huge. This has to be the end of Heinz-Christian Strache,” the political analyst Thomas Hofer said.

    In the video, Strache, whose party’s first leader was a former SS officer, also ponders the part-privatisation of Austria’s public broadcaster, saying it should be more like the pro-government mouthpiece state media has become in neighbouring Hungary.

    Ouch

    I don’t know their internal politics to predict whether the FPO collapses as a party or not.

    There is a benefit to their prospective collapse, so long as the new party filling the ideological gap is not connected with the old party.

    The foreign press always mentions the Nazi link wrt to FPO and SD in Sweden. They cannot describe Lega in this fashion, which aids Salvini internationally.

    This is why I say that anyone associated with Charlottesville has to go. The first thing mentioned by the corporate media will be that, and immidiately crimestops their message.

  13. The abortion thing is much more about feminism than it is about race, I think.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    It is about religion too.

    I can easily defend abortion on a hard Social Darwinist basis which is already done a lot on 8chan.
  14. @SFG
    The abortion thing is much more about feminism than it is about race, I think.

    It is about religion too.

    I can easily defend abortion on a hard Social Darwinist basis which is already done a lot on 8chan.

  15. Maybe the solution is the artificial womb.

    If a woman wants an abortion, the unborn fetus or child, instead of being killed, would be transferred from the ho’s womb to the artificial womb in which it is grown.

    That way, the ho is given the ‘right’ to reject the unborn child but has no right to kill it. The child will be raised and ‘birthed’ from an artificial womb and raised by the state or by adoptive parents.

    Right to reject one’s unborn child but no right to kill it.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    I hate to say it but in a world that treats sterilization something more monstrous than killing people the death part of abortion is the only eugenic tool that is still allowed in the West.
  16. @Priss Factor
    Maybe the solution is the artificial womb.

    If a woman wants an abortion, the unborn fetus or child, instead of being killed, would be transferred from the ho's womb to the artificial womb in which it is grown.

    That way, the ho is given the 'right' to reject the unborn child but has no right to kill it. The child will be raised and 'birthed' from an artificial womb and raised by the state or by adoptive parents.

    Right to reject one's unborn child but no right to kill it.

    I hate to say it but in a world that treats sterilization something more monstrous than killing people the death part of abortion is the only eugenic tool that is still allowed in the West.

  17. 216 says:

    Woke Burger King

    This might be another sign to some mainstream conservatives that the corporations are not your friend.

    The more important thing, however, is that Tommy Robison is bereft of political capital to the extend that corporations are publicly dissing him and applauding violence.

    Stop eating burger king, sure. But more important to ignore Tommy Robinson, who’s 15 minutes of fame have run out.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    One way to wake up woke capital is for those on the receiving end of violence that corporations credibly support to take said corporations to the cleaners.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Don't put that nasty food into your body in the first place.

    I don't shop anywhere that a) hires too many non whites and b) that is generally bad for you. Most places that are bad for you also hire cheap foreigners.
  18. @Mr Puroik
    One question I have is if black people are moderate on the abortion issue how come they vote so heavily pro-choice when it becomes an issue in a ballot amendment? The states of Tennessee and Alabama both had anti-abortion measures during the past few years which passed by a significant margin (53-47% in TN and 59-41% in AL) yet in both states they failed pretty badly in all the majority-black areas of the state. Of course, one could say that if southern blacks were moderate on abortion they would vote way to the left of southern whites, who tend to be really conservative on all social issues (less so on economic issues, especially in Appalachia) but even so the statistics seem to indicate the average black person votes as heavily pro-abortion as the average white person in a liberal state like Oregon (where the anti-abortion ballot measure last year failed 65-35%)

    Aware of exit polling on any abortion ballot initiatives? It’s not something I’ve looked into before.

    • Replies: @Mr Puroik
    I got my data from analyzing precinct results. In Tennessee, one of the very few counties to vote "pro-choice" was the rural, majority black Haywood Co. Ditto for Alabama and it's so-called rural "Black Belt" (which is doubly surprising since rural blacks are presumably more conservative than ones in inner cities).

    One thing I have noticed, on the topic of abortion, is that it seems to be the most non-negotiable issue of all in the eyes of the Left. Liberals who have no issue at all flip-flopping on free trade (when Trump opposed it) or building the border wall (which was widely supported by liberals back when Obama was claiming he was going to build it) will automatically balk at even the slightest attempt to 'mess with' the status quo of abortion - even if it's to ban highly controversial and unpopular ideas like partial birth abortion. This seems to be the one issue that liberals are absolutely hell-bent on promoting, and are far, far more ruthless and brutal when they don't get their way (as is shown by their attempt to financially ruin an already poor state for daring to disagree with them) than with any other issue, except possibly "Gay Rights". I have personally met numerous liberals, both before and after the recent bout of social-justice brainwashing, who have evinced a visceral hatred for the pro-life crowd that they simply do not have for anyone else, even outright white nationalists. It's very, very odd to say the least.
  19. @Oblivionrecurs
    Made a chart comparing Gen Z White Women responses for the gotoquiz and Hispanic Heritage poll

    A lot of states have very similar results i.e Florida or Pennsylvania. Only really noticeable exceptions are states like Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky,Mississippi, Montana et cetra

    The trend is of southern white women going more GOP, while the Midwest turn to the GOP being white men is even more apparent.

    http://magaimg.net/img/7zs2.png

    And here it is with males added

    http://magaimg.net/img/7zs8.png

    Correlate results at the state level! I will at some point if you don’t. Just by eye-balling it, the r-value is going to be high.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    I would if i knew how haha

    Thinking of using both of Hispanic Heritage's polls for Gen Z - Trump v Clinton and Two-Way Party identification. Compare each result

    The Gotoquiz presents a problem with the sure amount of options. We're not going to see many black Republicans in Florida, but we won't know what way the independent blacks are leaning without funneling them like Hispanic Heritage poll does

    Hence you get black women in Hispanic Heritage polls going 25% GOP in Florida, but only 8% in Gotoquiz.
  20. @216
    Woke Burger King

    https://twitter.com/BurgerKingUK/status/1129815064431742976

    This might be another sign to some mainstream conservatives that the corporations are not your friend.

    The more important thing, however, is that Tommy Robison is bereft of political capital to the extend that corporations are publicly dissing him and applauding violence.

    Stop eating burger king, sure. But more important to ignore Tommy Robinson, who's 15 minutes of fame have run out.

    One way to wake up woke capital is for those on the receiving end of violence that corporations credibly support to take said corporations to the cleaners.

    • Replies: @216
    No UK court is going to rule in favor of Robinson or his supporters.

    The best bet is that leftists assault a bystander, or misidenity another leftist group as right-wing. Then the courts might step in.

    The average Joe Blogs despises Robinson. The original BK tweet was littered with tens of thousands of escatic leftists.

    Robinson could physically occupy a BK in protest with his supporters, but that would end badly, and exemplary sentencing would be the certain result.

    The conclusion I draw is that "look at the tolerant left" is a failed attack. The left has made it clear that they will engage in violence to deny us the streets , and the gov't looks the other way unless they really screw up.

    The better angle is to say "look at the violent left", Joe Blogs wants the police cracking down on Robinson, not the vigilantes.
  21. @Audacious Epigone
    Correlate results at the state level! I will at some point if you don't. Just by eye-balling it, the r-value is going to be high.

    I would if i knew how haha

    Thinking of using both of Hispanic Heritage’s polls for Gen Z – Trump v Clinton and Two-Way Party identification. Compare each result

    The Gotoquiz presents a problem with the sure amount of options. We’re not going to see many black Republicans in Florida, but we won’t know what way the independent blacks are leaning without funneling them like Hispanic Heritage poll does

    Hence you get black women in Hispanic Heritage polls going 25% GOP in Florida, but only 8% in Gotoquiz.

  22. White leftists are the most extreme on all kinds of issues, not just abortion.

    I’ve been saying this forever but people either ignore it or deflect by saying it’s all Jews. The right is tribal so it focuses much more on enemies outside the tribe than traitors within. It should be the other way around. Right wingers all over the world act like this and it’s part of why the left’s been winning the global culture war for nearly a century now.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  23. 216 says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    One way to wake up woke capital is for those on the receiving end of violence that corporations credibly support to take said corporations to the cleaners.

    No UK court is going to rule in favor of Robinson or his supporters.

    The best bet is that leftists assault a bystander, or misidenity another leftist group as right-wing. Then the courts might step in.

    The average Joe Blogs despises Robinson. The original BK tweet was littered with tens of thousands of escatic leftists.

    Robinson could physically occupy a BK in protest with his supporters, but that would end badly, and exemplary sentencing would be the certain result.

    The conclusion I draw is that “look at the tolerant left” is a failed attack. The left has made it clear that they will engage in violence to deny us the streets , and the gov’t looks the other way unless they really screw up.

    The better angle is to say “look at the violent left”, Joe Blogs wants the police cracking down on Robinson, not the vigilantes.

    • Replies: @216
    https://twitter.com/DtColePhelps/status/1129858267331616773

    Even this would be unavoidable in a UK court, a US court might be able to twist this into "imminent lawless action".

    The best hope is that they are squeezed into firing the person that tweeted. But that person isn't likely to face criminal charges, and will become a leftist martyr.
  24. 216 says:
    @216
    No UK court is going to rule in favor of Robinson or his supporters.

    The best bet is that leftists assault a bystander, or misidenity another leftist group as right-wing. Then the courts might step in.

    The average Joe Blogs despises Robinson. The original BK tweet was littered with tens of thousands of escatic leftists.

    Robinson could physically occupy a BK in protest with his supporters, but that would end badly, and exemplary sentencing would be the certain result.

    The conclusion I draw is that "look at the tolerant left" is a failed attack. The left has made it clear that they will engage in violence to deny us the streets , and the gov't looks the other way unless they really screw up.

    The better angle is to say "look at the violent left", Joe Blogs wants the police cracking down on Robinson, not the vigilantes.

    Even this would be unavoidable in a UK court, a US court might be able to twist this into “imminent lawless action”.

    The best hope is that they are squeezed into firing the person that tweeted. But that person isn’t likely to face criminal charges, and will become a leftist martyr.

  25. @EastKekistani

    I’d be interested to see a similar survey broken down along specific ethnic/religious lines. Jew, Catholic, Protestant, muslim, atheist.
     
    Right. That would be interesting. Anti-abortion is really a Christian-specific issue. In fact it isn't even a pan-trad social issue.
  26. @gebrauchshund
    Uhhh...you don't stop things like armed robbery by making them illegal either, dumbass.

    And please, learn the difference between "you're" and "your", it's really not that hard.

    Only cretinous, subhuman trolls correct spelling online. Makes them feel superior. Only inferior people need things to make them feel superior. Amazing how unselfaware they are.

    • Replies: @gebrauchshund
    Not spelling, grammar.
    , @Mr McKenna

    unselfaware
     
    Speaking of, calling people stupid in the act of making a stupid mistake?

    Since TD is AWOL, I guess you're the chew toy of choice just now.
    , @res
    Oh the projection. But please go on thinking (and acting like) you are smarter than everyone else here. It is hilarious!
  27. @Digital Samizdat
    Strictly speaking, laws against murder, rape, armed robbery, etc., don't completely put a stop to those acts either. But they probably do have a restraining effect, which is the point.

    Not it isn’t, you complete and utter imbecile.

    A. Comparison with other laws is false, odious analogy.
    B. Making abortion illegal increases its incidence.

    Learn some facts, child.

  28. @obwandiyag
    Only cretinous, subhuman trolls correct spelling online. Makes them feel superior. Only inferior people need things to make them feel superior. Amazing how unselfaware they are.

    Not spelling, grammar.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    You expect Windy Bag to understand the difference?  I swear, I can't tell if he's a caricature or real.
    , @obwandiyag
    Cretinous asshole trolls correct spelling online.
    Cretinous asshole trolls correct "grammar" online (as if they know what that is).
    Cretinous asshole trolls use sentence fragments to demonstrate their perfect mastery of English usage.
  29. @BengaliCanadianDude
    Bah! Asians yet again preposterously grouped as a monolithic entity with the term "Asian". How exactly is this allowed to continue? I can't catch a break. I really can't. It would have been nice seeing the shifts in political allegiance amongst more deep-rooted and ancient groups like the Filipinos, or Japanese who have been in the US for far longer due to colonialism and exclusion from the ASIATIC BARRED ZONE immigration laws, compared to other ethnic group, like Indians.

    Asians could always go back to Asia, you know.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    Sure, but how is that relevant to my comment? OH WAIT....it's not.

    Europeans can go back to....

    Anyways, I don't plan to stay here forever
  30. @obwandiyag
    Only cretinous, subhuman trolls correct spelling online. Makes them feel superior. Only inferior people need things to make them feel superior. Amazing how unselfaware they are.

    unselfaware

    Speaking of, calling people stupid in the act of making a stupid mistake?

    Since TD is AWOL, I guess you’re the chew toy of choice just now.

  31. @gebrauchshund
    Not spelling, grammar.

    You expect Windy Bag to understand the difference?  I swear, I can’t tell if he’s a caricature or real.

  32. @obwandiyag
    Only cretinous, subhuman trolls correct spelling online. Makes them feel superior. Only inferior people need things to make them feel superior. Amazing how unselfaware they are.

    Oh the projection. But please go on thinking (and acting like) you are smarter than everyone else here. It is hilarious!

  33. @gebrauchshund
    Not spelling, grammar.

    Cretinous asshole trolls correct spelling online.
    Cretinous asshole trolls correct “grammar” online (as if they know what that is).
    Cretinous asshole trolls use sentence fragments to demonstrate their perfect mastery of English usage.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Projecting cretinous asshole is highly sensitive to being called on his mistakes.

    tl;dr TRIGGERED!
  34. @obwandiyag
    Cretinous asshole trolls correct spelling online.
    Cretinous asshole trolls correct "grammar" online (as if they know what that is).
    Cretinous asshole trolls use sentence fragments to demonstrate their perfect mastery of English usage.

    Projecting cretinous asshole is highly sensitive to being called on his mistakes.

    tl;dr TRIGGERED!

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Assholes like you are always correcting people. Because they have an inferiority complex. Everybody knows this except assholes.
    , @obwandiyag
    Fuckhead uses asshole buzzwords like "triggered" to prove it is just a trendy asshole that never had an original thought in its life.

    Assholes who pick up grammar mistakes are jerks, scientists find.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/people-who-pick-up-grammar-mistakes-jerks-scientists-find
    https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-correct-typos-may-be-jerks-study-finds-2016-3

    Assholes who point out typos are dicks.

    Pure scientific fact.

    Get this. The loser tries to prove its superiority, and makes itself feel better about its poor deluded self, by quibbling about "your" and "you're." This is its mighty mighty ubermenschenness. Wow. What a man! What a mighty mighty man! A grammar sissy!
  35. @216
    Woke Burger King

    https://twitter.com/BurgerKingUK/status/1129815064431742976

    This might be another sign to some mainstream conservatives that the corporations are not your friend.

    The more important thing, however, is that Tommy Robison is bereft of political capital to the extend that corporations are publicly dissing him and applauding violence.

    Stop eating burger king, sure. But more important to ignore Tommy Robinson, who's 15 minutes of fame have run out.

    Don’t put that nasty food into your body in the first place.

    I don’t shop anywhere that a) hires too many non whites and b) that is generally bad for you. Most places that are bad for you also hire cheap foreigners.

  36. @EastKekistani

    I’d be interested to see a similar survey broken down along specific ethnic/religious lines. Jew, Catholic, Protestant, muslim, atheist.
     
    Right. That would be interesting. Anti-abortion is really a Christian-specific issue. In fact it isn't even a pan-trad social issue.

    Are you saying that Muslims are pro-abortion?

  37. White males likely feel that way because of the very unequal outcome for them when out-of-wedlock reproduction occurs, with the males chased down by authorities and sometimes even jailed when they fail to repay the monthly cash assistance given to single moms on top of their reduced-cost rent, free electricity, free food and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash.

    Males are also treated roughly in child support matters. When you apply for call center jobs monitoring this, they force you to take a test, with recordings of angry men screaming loudly in your ear.

    In an era of unstable jobs and wages that have been stagnant for 40 years as rents rose out of reach, womb-less men who often impregnate women and non-womb-productive, childless, single women get no help from government, even though many of them can’t afford rent since it takes over half of their earned-only income.

    White men are often making as little as the single moms they impregnate. But the moms get paid more by Uncle Sam with each additional out-of-wedlock birth, as long as they stay under the earned-income limits for the programs via part-time work or by dropping the welfare during months when income from temp jobs goes over the programs’ limits.

    White men are also much more likely to have been raised with strong social pressure to support any kids they produce, even in this impossible economy, and when they can’t support themselves or kids on the available part-time, temp and churn jobs, they are much more likely to get lacerating criticism from those around them.

    Black men are often in the same financial boat, albeit their attitudes toward welfare-assisted motherhood v/s abortion may be influenced by the fact that more Blacks consume welfare, meaning more of them have grown up on it. That’s why some conservative Blacks reject “the system,” but many don’t, whether or not they benefit from “the system” after they turn 18.

    The fact that their mommas are in a tough economic situation after the kids turn 18, whereupon they must finance all unaffordable bills on earned-only income from low-wage, female-dominated jobs (just like the childless, single women) doesn’t seem to occur to Black men.

    Hispanics may oppose abortion more not just because of religion, but because they are gaming the womb-productivity-based welfare system in a different way than whites, or they were about a decade ago. It may have changed as the single-mom birth rate has risen among Hispanics. The girlfriends and wives of legal / illegal immigrants used to get welfare based on paycheck stubs proving low-enough traceable income from a male breadwinner, proof of monthly expenses and the SS cards of their US-born kids.

    This stressful-to-the-max welfare-rigged labor market, full of voted-best-for-moms part-time, temp and churn jobs that won’t cover rent unless you have a spousal income or government-paid major bills, makes a dignified lifestyle impossible for so many citizens.

    This welfare rigging has killed off quite a few non-welfare-eligible, middle-aged whites, but conservatives who are obsessed with the white birth rate likely rate the lives of young whites as being more valuable since most of them stick around on Planet Earth longer. It’ll take awhile for any new white births to affect anything for current generations other than possibly making the welfare-rigged labor market even more brutal for the non-welfare-eligible non womb producers.

    The pay-per-birth thing is also not working to meet Conservatives Social Engineering goals. Uniparty politicians on the left and the right have this Plan: more child tax credits, more free daycare and, recently, this rather strict abortion ban attempt from the conservatives outside of the Uniparty. It doesn’t seem like adding rape and incest to the stipulations is a winning ticket. That reads as extreme.

    The most revealing cognitive-dissonance gap on the left is their staunch insistence that global warming is going to wipe out the human race and the Earth along with it. Yet, they support paying citizens and noncitizens to have womb-productive sex, with more generous government payments accruing to the part-time-working families, the more natural-resource-consuming environment destroyers that they pump out. Leftist environmentalists should be anti abortion by this logic. Their economic policies support a human natural-resource-consuming tsunami, and they apply this to the entire planet, inviting them to the pay-per-birth buffet table in the USA.

    The most effective anti-abortion argument I have heard is the one aligning the tolerance for abortion with the 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings between 2011 — 2014. This figure includes a bunch of children gunning down other children in schools. This is something that is high on almost everyone’s priority list of morally unacceptable things.

    The argument goes like this: When you say that it’s morally okay to end a young life in the womb, it is the gateway to devaluing all life, even the lives of young people in schools. That’s a pretty powerful argument against abortion, especially since there’s nothing else that explains this staggering increase in violence in the most unexpected of places. There are no moral boundaries anymore.

    Kids in the country had a lot of guns in the 1950s — 60s, but there were zero mass school shootings. There may have been one on a college campus at the end of the Sixties, but other than that, none.

    If they wanted to be honest, another argument might be that if you abort and then don’t have kids—just like if you never have an abortion but fail to have kids—you will be openly discriminated against in a very unpleasant way with no legal recourse in America’s many nearly 100% mom-staffed voted-best-for-moms office jobs, where moms are above firing, no matter how much time they take off in excess of their PTO and preggie leave.

    And moms don’t have to meet quotas, either, but you will be fired in a heartbeat for 5 minutes of absenteeism, even if you meet quotas every month and attend work everyday all day without taking off days, mornings, weeks and afternoons like the moms.

    Good luck covering rent in that crony-corrupt womb-privileged system. Before aborting, remember: Part-time-working momma’s rent is reduced or free. Her groceries and electricity are covered by government, too, and she gets monthly cash and a big old refundable child tax credit on top of it to cushion her when wages are low, and the job is part time, temp or a churn gig.

    But unless you are affluent, America is an economically brutal place to be an individual—to be a childless, single citizen, whether or not you would ever have an abortion. Womb-productivity-based fake feminists have made sure of that while cheerleading for abortion. Hold that abortion!

    America: It’s not a good place for many non-womb-productive individuals—male or female—as designed by the writers of our Constitution, with its “working families” language. America: It’s not a good place for new household formation on earned-only income, either, even though it was the route to family formation in the past, whereas now the womb-productive sex precedes the state-supported household formation.

    Maybe, some males don’t relish bringing kids into this version of America. They don’t have a role worth playing in this welfare-rigged setup. Many other citizens don’t either.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    The most effective anti-abortion argument I have heard is the one aligning the tolerance for abortion with the 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings between 2011 — 2014. This figure includes a bunch of children gunning down other children in schools.
     
    You don't explain why it took 38 years (1973-2011) for this trend to show itself.  That's 2 freaking generations!

    You also don't bother to look at the trend of prescriptions for ADHD and anti-depression medications.  SSRI's are known to come along with suicidal tendencies, and some of those go with murder-suicide.  Since the surge in medication post-dates Roe v. Wade by decades, it's far more associated (whether or not it is a causative factor) with the rise of school shootings.

    Last, you haven't accounted for the de-policing of blacks.  Most school shootings are between blacks, in majority-black schools.  The enemedia chooses not to report these beyond immediate local coverage, immediately memory-holed.  Who remembers the shooting at Bunny Friend Park, anyway?  But get a shooter who can be identified as White, and WOW!


    The argument goes like this: When you say that it’s morally okay to end a young life in the womb, it is the gateway to devaluing all life, even the lives of young people in schools.
     
    It's an extremely weak argument and is based on cherry-picking of data, ignoring the prevalence of natural failure to implant and miscarriage.  It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the "slaughter" of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed.  If their god existed and cared, that would not be happening!  Yet it is.  It is one more piece of evidence that Christian theology is badly wrong in many ways.

    Kids in the country had a lot of guns in the 1950s — 60s, but there were zero mass school shootings.
     
    Biggest mass-murder of school children in the USA didn't even use a single gun.  It was done with dynamite, in Bath, Michigan in 1927.  If memory serves, this happened between the time that the AMA bought legislation and asserted control over women's reproductive health by banning un-licensed abortionists, and the SCOTUS saying "you don't have the Constitutional authority to do that".

    tl;dr Blaming abortion for school shootings is BS.  Try Big Pharma and Cibil Rites instead.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    A womb-privileged system with a TFR below replacement sounds like clown world to me.
    , @Feryl
    "The most effective anti-abortion argument I have heard is the one aligning the tolerance for abortion with the 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings between 2011 — 2014. This figure includes a bunch of children gunning down other children in schools. This is something that is high on almost everyone’s priority list of morally unacceptable things."

    As the national mood in America has swiftly been declining since the mid-70's, mass murders have gotten worse. And the 2010's have seen a substantial decline in mental health among white Americans, in particular (note the suicide rate rising). It seems to me that SSRI drugs are an effect of depression and anxiety, not a cause of it. We should also be aware of individual vs collective violence. General street crime was substantially worse in the 1970's-90's than it is now. Yet go figure that collective violence (riots, bombings, mass murders) was actually quite low in the 80's. Peter Turchin says that high levels of inequality plus a rising collective violence cycle tend to produce a lot of terrorism and angst, e.g. the Civil War era. The 1960's would've been much worse if this country was not at it's all time peak of equality during that era. In terms of civic discord, we're on track to see the most amount of collective violence since the 1910's/early 20's, and perhaps even the Civil War era. In fact, judging from mass shootings it's safe to say that we've already reached a major spike in collective violence that outdoes the 60's, but it could get worse.
  38. Alabama boycott builds as states retaliate against abortion law….why have these feminists failed to Boycott Mexico ?

    Mexico has some of the strictest abortion laws in the world, and women can find themselves criminalised even after miscarriage. In many states abortion is a punishable offence. At least 679 women were reported or sentenced for the crime of abortion between 2009 and 2011. The country’s 31 states have varying restrictions on abortion – while all allow it in cases of rape, it is illegal in most other circumstances. Only 13 states allow the procedure if a woman’s life is in danger. Since 2008, 16 states have reformed their constitutions to protect life from the point of conception.
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/oct/01/mexican-women-high-price-abortion-laws

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Because there is no value in virtue-signalling against Mexicans. If forced, they'd probably say it's why we need to let pregnant Latinas in--so they can live the American Dream of abortions for all!
  39. @Endgame Napoleon
    White males likely feel that way because of the very unequal outcome for them when out-of-wedlock reproduction occurs, with the males chased down by authorities and sometimes even jailed when they fail to repay the monthly cash assistance given to single moms on top of their reduced-cost rent, free electricity, free food and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash.

    Males are also treated roughly in child support matters. When you apply for call center jobs monitoring this, they force you to take a test, with recordings of angry men screaming loudly in your ear.

    In an era of unstable jobs and wages that have been stagnant for 40 years as rents rose out of reach, womb-less men who often impregnate women and non-womb-productive, childless, single women get no help from government, even though many of them can’t afford rent since it takes over half of their earned-only income.

    White men are often making as little as the single moms they impregnate. But the moms get paid more by Uncle Sam with each additional out-of-wedlock birth, as long as they stay under the earned-income limits for the programs via part-time work or by dropping the welfare during months when income from temp jobs goes over the programs’ limits.

    White men are also much more likely to have been raised with strong social pressure to support any kids they produce, even in this impossible economy, and when they can’t support themselves or kids on the available part-time, temp and churn jobs, they are much more likely to get lacerating criticism from those around them.

    Black men are often in the same financial boat, albeit their attitudes toward welfare-assisted motherhood v/s abortion may be influenced by the fact that more Blacks consume welfare, meaning more of them have grown up on it. That’s why some conservative Blacks reject “the system,” but many don’t, whether or not they benefit from “the system” after they turn 18.

    The fact that their mommas are in a tough economic situation after the kids turn 18, whereupon they must finance all unaffordable bills on earned-only income from low-wage, female-dominated jobs (just like the childless, single women) doesn’t seem to occur to Black men.

    Hispanics may oppose abortion more not just because of religion, but because they are gaming the womb-productivity-based welfare system in a different way than whites, or they were about a decade ago. It may have changed as the single-mom birth rate has risen among Hispanics. The girlfriends and wives of legal / illegal immigrants used to get welfare based on paycheck stubs proving low-enough traceable income from a male breadwinner, proof of monthly expenses and the SS cards of their US-born kids.

    This stressful-to-the-max welfare-rigged labor market, full of voted-best-for-moms part-time, temp and churn jobs that won’t cover rent unless you have a spousal income or government-paid major bills, makes a dignified lifestyle impossible for so many citizens.

    This welfare rigging has killed off quite a few non-welfare-eligible, middle-aged whites, but conservatives who are obsessed with the white birth rate likely rate the lives of young whites as being more valuable since most of them stick around on Planet Earth longer. It’ll take awhile for any new white births to affect anything for current generations other than possibly making the welfare-rigged labor market even more brutal for the non-welfare-eligible non womb producers.

    The pay-per-birth thing is also not working to meet Conservatives Social Engineering goals. Uniparty politicians on the left and the right have this Plan: more child tax credits, more free daycare and, recently, this rather strict abortion ban attempt from the conservatives outside of the Uniparty. It doesn’t seem like adding rape and incest to the stipulations is a winning ticket. That reads as extreme.

    The most revealing cognitive-dissonance gap on the left is their staunch insistence that global warming is going to wipe out the human race and the Earth along with it. Yet, they support paying citizens and noncitizens to have womb-productive sex, with more generous government payments accruing to the part-time-working families, the more natural-resource-consuming environment destroyers that they pump out. Leftist environmentalists should be anti abortion by this logic. Their economic policies support a human natural-resource-consuming tsunami, and they apply this to the entire planet, inviting them to the pay-per-birth buffet table in the USA.

    The most effective anti-abortion argument I have heard is the one aligning the tolerance for abortion with the 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings between 2011 — 2014. This figure includes a bunch of children gunning down other children in schools. This is something that is high on almost everyone’s priority list of morally unacceptable things.

    The argument goes like this: When you say that it’s morally okay to end a young life in the womb, it is the gateway to devaluing all life, even the lives of young people in schools. That’s a pretty powerful argument against abortion, especially since there’s nothing else that explains this staggering increase in violence in the most unexpected of places. There are no moral boundaries anymore.

    Kids in the country had a lot of guns in the 1950s — 60s, but there were zero mass school shootings. There may have been one on a college campus at the end of the Sixties, but other than that, none.

    If they wanted to be honest, another argument might be that if you abort and then don’t have kids—just like if you never have an abortion but fail to have kids—you will be openly discriminated against in a very unpleasant way with no legal recourse in America’s many nearly 100% mom-staffed voted-best-for-moms office jobs, where moms are above firing, no matter how much time they take off in excess of their PTO and preggie leave.

    And moms don’t have to meet quotas, either, but you will be fired in a heartbeat for 5 minutes of absenteeism, even if you meet quotas every month and attend work everyday all day without taking off days, mornings, weeks and afternoons like the moms.

    Good luck covering rent in that crony-corrupt womb-privileged system. Before aborting, remember: Part-time-working momma’s rent is reduced or free. Her groceries and electricity are covered by government, too, and she gets monthly cash and a big old refundable child tax credit on top of it to cushion her when wages are low, and the job is part time, temp or a churn gig.

    But unless you are affluent, America is an economically brutal place to be an individual—to be a childless, single citizen, whether or not you would ever have an abortion. Womb-productivity-based fake feminists have made sure of that while cheerleading for abortion. Hold that abortion!

    America: It’s not a good place for many non-womb-productive individuals—male or female—as designed by the writers of our Constitution, with its “working families” language. America: It’s not a good place for new household formation on earned-only income, either, even though it was the route to family formation in the past, whereas now the womb-productive sex precedes the state-supported household formation.

    Maybe, some males don’t relish bringing kids into this version of America. They don’t have a role worth playing in this welfare-rigged setup. Many other citizens don’t either.

    The most effective anti-abortion argument I have heard is the one aligning the tolerance for abortion with the 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings between 2011 — 2014. This figure includes a bunch of children gunning down other children in schools.

    You don’t explain why it took 38 years (1973-2011) for this trend to show itself.  That’s 2 freaking generations!

    You also don’t bother to look at the trend of prescriptions for ADHD and anti-depression medications.  SSRI’s are known to come along with suicidal tendencies, and some of those go with murder-suicide.  Since the surge in medication post-dates Roe v. Wade by decades, it’s far more associated (whether or not it is a causative factor) with the rise of school shootings.

    Last, you haven’t accounted for the de-policing of blacks.  Most school shootings are between blacks, in majority-black schools.  The enemedia chooses not to report these beyond immediate local coverage, immediately memory-holed.  Who remembers the shooting at Bunny Friend Park, anyway?  But get a shooter who can be identified as White, and WOW!

    The argument goes like this: When you say that it’s morally okay to end a young life in the womb, it is the gateway to devaluing all life, even the lives of young people in schools.

    It’s an extremely weak argument and is based on cherry-picking of data, ignoring the prevalence of natural failure to implant and miscarriage.  It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the “slaughter” of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed.  If their god existed and cared, that would not be happening!  Yet it is.  It is one more piece of evidence that Christian theology is badly wrong in many ways.

    Kids in the country had a lot of guns in the 1950s — 60s, but there were zero mass school shootings.

    Biggest mass-murder of school children in the USA didn’t even use a single gun.  It was done with dynamite, in Bath, Michigan in 1927.  If memory serves, this happened between the time that the AMA bought legislation and asserted control over women’s reproductive health by banning un-licensed abortionists, and the SCOTUS saying “you don’t have the Constitutional authority to do that”.

    tl;dr Blaming abortion for school shootings is BS.  Try Big Pharma and Cibil Rites instead.

    • Replies: @216

    It’s an extremely weak argument and is based on cherry-picking of data, ignoring the prevalence of natural failure to implant and miscarriage. It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the “slaughter” of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed. If their god existed and cared, that would not be happening! Yet it is. It is one more piece of evidence that Christian theology is badly wrong in many ways.
     
    I cast my doubt on the "studies have shown".

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5443340/

    Wildly varying claims of 40%-60% to 70% or even 80! %.

    Accepting the higher numbers would mean that IVF is more successful at implantation.

    The Bible is a rather violent book, and one interpretation may be that God is not as squeamish as the typical modern.
    , @Saint Louis
    "It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the “slaughter” of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed."

    Does it also bother you that Christians are opposed to maiming children? I mean, children are born with birth defects every day, so why can't we maim them ourselves?
  40. 216 says:
    @Mr. Rational

    The most effective anti-abortion argument I have heard is the one aligning the tolerance for abortion with the 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings between 2011 — 2014. This figure includes a bunch of children gunning down other children in schools.
     
    You don't explain why it took 38 years (1973-2011) for this trend to show itself.  That's 2 freaking generations!

    You also don't bother to look at the trend of prescriptions for ADHD and anti-depression medications.  SSRI's are known to come along with suicidal tendencies, and some of those go with murder-suicide.  Since the surge in medication post-dates Roe v. Wade by decades, it's far more associated (whether or not it is a causative factor) with the rise of school shootings.

    Last, you haven't accounted for the de-policing of blacks.  Most school shootings are between blacks, in majority-black schools.  The enemedia chooses not to report these beyond immediate local coverage, immediately memory-holed.  Who remembers the shooting at Bunny Friend Park, anyway?  But get a shooter who can be identified as White, and WOW!


    The argument goes like this: When you say that it’s morally okay to end a young life in the womb, it is the gateway to devaluing all life, even the lives of young people in schools.
     
    It's an extremely weak argument and is based on cherry-picking of data, ignoring the prevalence of natural failure to implant and miscarriage.  It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the "slaughter" of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed.  If their god existed and cared, that would not be happening!  Yet it is.  It is one more piece of evidence that Christian theology is badly wrong in many ways.

    Kids in the country had a lot of guns in the 1950s — 60s, but there were zero mass school shootings.
     
    Biggest mass-murder of school children in the USA didn't even use a single gun.  It was done with dynamite, in Bath, Michigan in 1927.  If memory serves, this happened between the time that the AMA bought legislation and asserted control over women's reproductive health by banning un-licensed abortionists, and the SCOTUS saying "you don't have the Constitutional authority to do that".

    tl;dr Blaming abortion for school shootings is BS.  Try Big Pharma and Cibil Rites instead.

    It’s an extremely weak argument and is based on cherry-picking of data, ignoring the prevalence of natural failure to implant and miscarriage. It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the “slaughter” of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed. If their god existed and cared, that would not be happening! Yet it is. It is one more piece of evidence that Christian theology is badly wrong in many ways.

    I cast my doubt on the “studies have shown”.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5443340/

    Wildly varying claims of 40%-60% to 70% or even 80! %.

    Accepting the higher numbers would mean that IVF is more successful at implantation.

    The Bible is a rather violent book, and one interpretation may be that God is not as squeamish as the typical modern.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    I cast my doubt on the “studies have shown”.
     
    The lower bound of the estimates deemed credible by that paper still have 2 "carnages" for every 3 potential live births.  Does this support the "pro-life" position that every single one is sacred and precious?  On the contrary, it conclusively debunks it.

    Most trisomies are fatal before birth; trisomy-21 is one of the rare exceptions, yet still causes major malformations.  XXY, XYY and X often survive but X (Turners syndrome) causes sterility and retardation.  If reproduction is the purpose of humanity, why would a deity cause the birth of sterile females?  It's one more strike against the funnymentalist Christians.

    The Bible is a rather violent book, and one interpretation may be that God is not as squeamish as the typical modern.
     
    And not just permits but exemplifies selective acceptance of what is allowed to become a new member of society, by being born into it.

    What irks me about this is that Christian theologians have not found a basis upon which to rebuke and rein in the fundamentalists on Christian grounds.  They do not have a coherent world-view, and without an ecumenical system for finding and rejecting error they have NO claim to truth.  This is most of why I am no longer a Christian:  I cannot take it seriously.
  41. @Mr. Rational
    Projecting cretinous asshole is highly sensitive to being called on his mistakes.

    tl;dr TRIGGERED!

    Assholes like you are always correcting people. Because they have an inferiority complex. Everybody knows this except assholes.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Assholes like you are always correcting people. Because they have an inferiority complex.
     
    Projection again; you have the inferiority complex (which is well-deserved).  If you cannot mentally decompose "you're" into "you are" and see that it is a contraction and not possessive, and likewise not innately know that "your" is the possessive pronoun, you are incompetent in English.

    Since your native language probably has only a couple of thousand words you could be excused if you begged some latitude, but you keep asserting superiority when you are laughably deficient.  This is what makes you such a deserving punching (windy) bag.

    A really proper fate for you would be to be flayed after your demise and your skin turned into a passel of whoopee cushions.  The sounds they'd make would have about as much intellectual content as what you spew now.
  42. @gebrauchshund
    Uhhh...you don't stop things like armed robbery by making them illegal either, dumbass.

    And please, learn the difference between "you're" and "your", it's really not that hard.

    Can’t tell the difference between grammar and spelling.

  43. @Endgame Napoleon
    White males likely feel that way because of the very unequal outcome for them when out-of-wedlock reproduction occurs, with the males chased down by authorities and sometimes even jailed when they fail to repay the monthly cash assistance given to single moms on top of their reduced-cost rent, free electricity, free food and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash.

    Males are also treated roughly in child support matters. When you apply for call center jobs monitoring this, they force you to take a test, with recordings of angry men screaming loudly in your ear.

    In an era of unstable jobs and wages that have been stagnant for 40 years as rents rose out of reach, womb-less men who often impregnate women and non-womb-productive, childless, single women get no help from government, even though many of them can’t afford rent since it takes over half of their earned-only income.

    White men are often making as little as the single moms they impregnate. But the moms get paid more by Uncle Sam with each additional out-of-wedlock birth, as long as they stay under the earned-income limits for the programs via part-time work or by dropping the welfare during months when income from temp jobs goes over the programs’ limits.

    White men are also much more likely to have been raised with strong social pressure to support any kids they produce, even in this impossible economy, and when they can’t support themselves or kids on the available part-time, temp and churn jobs, they are much more likely to get lacerating criticism from those around them.

    Black men are often in the same financial boat, albeit their attitudes toward welfare-assisted motherhood v/s abortion may be influenced by the fact that more Blacks consume welfare, meaning more of them have grown up on it. That’s why some conservative Blacks reject “the system,” but many don’t, whether or not they benefit from “the system” after they turn 18.

    The fact that their mommas are in a tough economic situation after the kids turn 18, whereupon they must finance all unaffordable bills on earned-only income from low-wage, female-dominated jobs (just like the childless, single women) doesn’t seem to occur to Black men.

    Hispanics may oppose abortion more not just because of religion, but because they are gaming the womb-productivity-based welfare system in a different way than whites, or they were about a decade ago. It may have changed as the single-mom birth rate has risen among Hispanics. The girlfriends and wives of legal / illegal immigrants used to get welfare based on paycheck stubs proving low-enough traceable income from a male breadwinner, proof of monthly expenses and the SS cards of their US-born kids.

    This stressful-to-the-max welfare-rigged labor market, full of voted-best-for-moms part-time, temp and churn jobs that won’t cover rent unless you have a spousal income or government-paid major bills, makes a dignified lifestyle impossible for so many citizens.

    This welfare rigging has killed off quite a few non-welfare-eligible, middle-aged whites, but conservatives who are obsessed with the white birth rate likely rate the lives of young whites as being more valuable since most of them stick around on Planet Earth longer. It’ll take awhile for any new white births to affect anything for current generations other than possibly making the welfare-rigged labor market even more brutal for the non-welfare-eligible non womb producers.

    The pay-per-birth thing is also not working to meet Conservatives Social Engineering goals. Uniparty politicians on the left and the right have this Plan: more child tax credits, more free daycare and, recently, this rather strict abortion ban attempt from the conservatives outside of the Uniparty. It doesn’t seem like adding rape and incest to the stipulations is a winning ticket. That reads as extreme.

    The most revealing cognitive-dissonance gap on the left is their staunch insistence that global warming is going to wipe out the human race and the Earth along with it. Yet, they support paying citizens and noncitizens to have womb-productive sex, with more generous government payments accruing to the part-time-working families, the more natural-resource-consuming environment destroyers that they pump out. Leftist environmentalists should be anti abortion by this logic. Their economic policies support a human natural-resource-consuming tsunami, and they apply this to the entire planet, inviting them to the pay-per-birth buffet table in the USA.

    The most effective anti-abortion argument I have heard is the one aligning the tolerance for abortion with the 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings between 2011 — 2014. This figure includes a bunch of children gunning down other children in schools. This is something that is high on almost everyone’s priority list of morally unacceptable things.

    The argument goes like this: When you say that it’s morally okay to end a young life in the womb, it is the gateway to devaluing all life, even the lives of young people in schools. That’s a pretty powerful argument against abortion, especially since there’s nothing else that explains this staggering increase in violence in the most unexpected of places. There are no moral boundaries anymore.

    Kids in the country had a lot of guns in the 1950s — 60s, but there were zero mass school shootings. There may have been one on a college campus at the end of the Sixties, but other than that, none.

    If they wanted to be honest, another argument might be that if you abort and then don’t have kids—just like if you never have an abortion but fail to have kids—you will be openly discriminated against in a very unpleasant way with no legal recourse in America’s many nearly 100% mom-staffed voted-best-for-moms office jobs, where moms are above firing, no matter how much time they take off in excess of their PTO and preggie leave.

    And moms don’t have to meet quotas, either, but you will be fired in a heartbeat for 5 minutes of absenteeism, even if you meet quotas every month and attend work everyday all day without taking off days, mornings, weeks and afternoons like the moms.

    Good luck covering rent in that crony-corrupt womb-privileged system. Before aborting, remember: Part-time-working momma’s rent is reduced or free. Her groceries and electricity are covered by government, too, and she gets monthly cash and a big old refundable child tax credit on top of it to cushion her when wages are low, and the job is part time, temp or a churn gig.

    But unless you are affluent, America is an economically brutal place to be an individual—to be a childless, single citizen, whether or not you would ever have an abortion. Womb-productivity-based fake feminists have made sure of that while cheerleading for abortion. Hold that abortion!

    America: It’s not a good place for many non-womb-productive individuals—male or female—as designed by the writers of our Constitution, with its “working families” language. America: It’s not a good place for new household formation on earned-only income, either, even though it was the route to family formation in the past, whereas now the womb-productive sex precedes the state-supported household formation.

    Maybe, some males don’t relish bringing kids into this version of America. They don’t have a role worth playing in this welfare-rigged setup. Many other citizens don’t either.

    A womb-privileged system with a TFR below replacement sounds like clown world to me.

  44. @obwandiyag
    Assholes like you are always correcting people. Because they have an inferiority complex. Everybody knows this except assholes.

    Assholes like you are always correcting people. Because they have an inferiority complex.

    Projection again; you have the inferiority complex (which is well-deserved).  If you cannot mentally decompose “you’re” into “you are” and see that it is a contraction and not possessive, and likewise not innately know that “your” is the possessive pronoun, you are incompetent in English.

    Since your native language probably has only a couple of thousand words you could be excused if you begged some latitude, but you keep asserting superiority when you are laughably deficient.  This is what makes you such a deserving punching (windy) bag.

    A really proper fate for you would be to be flayed after your demise and your skin turned into a passel of whoopee cushions.  The sounds they’d make would have about as much intellectual content as what you spew now.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Hahahahahahahahahaha.

    I can't believe it. You are so clueless, you actually feel the need to EXPLAIN.

    You actually EXPLAIN the your you're thing.

    Like some spineless little prig.

    Hahahahahhahahahaha.

    Humorless unselfaware blob.

    HAHAHAHAHaHAHA. Oh, oops, I misspelled hahahahahahahhahahahahhahaha.

    Explain it to me please :-)

    Because I am so edified by your every deathless effusion.
  45. @Mr. Rational
    Projecting cretinous asshole is highly sensitive to being called on his mistakes.

    tl;dr TRIGGERED!

    Fuckhead uses asshole buzzwords like “triggered” to prove it is just a trendy asshole that never had an original thought in its life.

    Assholes who pick up grammar mistakes are jerks, scientists find.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/people-who-pick-up-grammar-mistakes-jerks-scientists-find
    https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-correct-typos-may-be-jerks-study-finds-2016-3

    Assholes who point out typos are dicks.

    Pure scientific fact.

    Get this. The loser tries to prove its superiority, and makes itself feel better about its poor deluded self, by quibbling about “your” and “you’re.” This is its mighty mighty ubermenschenness. Wow. What a man! What a mighty mighty man! A grammar sissy!

  46. @216

    It’s an extremely weak argument and is based on cherry-picking of data, ignoring the prevalence of natural failure to implant and miscarriage. It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the “slaughter” of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed. If their god existed and cared, that would not be happening! Yet it is. It is one more piece of evidence that Christian theology is badly wrong in many ways.
     
    I cast my doubt on the "studies have shown".

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5443340/

    Wildly varying claims of 40%-60% to 70% or even 80! %.

    Accepting the higher numbers would mean that IVF is more successful at implantation.

    The Bible is a rather violent book, and one interpretation may be that God is not as squeamish as the typical modern.

    I cast my doubt on the “studies have shown”.

    The lower bound of the estimates deemed credible by that paper still have 2 “carnages” for every 3 potential live births.  Does this support the “pro-life” position that every single one is sacred and precious?  On the contrary, it conclusively debunks it.

    Most trisomies are fatal before birth; trisomy-21 is one of the rare exceptions, yet still causes major malformations.  XXY, XYY and X often survive but X (Turners syndrome) causes sterility and retardation.  If reproduction is the purpose of humanity, why would a deity cause the birth of sterile females?  It’s one more strike against the funnymentalist Christians.

    The Bible is a rather violent book, and one interpretation may be that God is not as squeamish as the typical modern.

    And not just permits but exemplifies selective acceptance of what is allowed to become a new member of society, by being born into it.

    What irks me about this is that Christian theologians have not found a basis upon which to rebuke and rein in the fundamentalists on Christian grounds.  They do not have a coherent world-view, and without an ecumenical system for finding and rejecting error they have NO claim to truth.  This is most of why I am no longer a Christian:  I cannot take it seriously.

    • Replies: @216
    Nasty, brutish and short
    , @216

    If reproduction is the purpose of humanity, why would a deity cause the birth of sterile females?
     

    For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
     
    MT 19:12
  47. @Mr. Rational

    I cast my doubt on the “studies have shown”.
     
    The lower bound of the estimates deemed credible by that paper still have 2 "carnages" for every 3 potential live births.  Does this support the "pro-life" position that every single one is sacred and precious?  On the contrary, it conclusively debunks it.

    Most trisomies are fatal before birth; trisomy-21 is one of the rare exceptions, yet still causes major malformations.  XXY, XYY and X often survive but X (Turners syndrome) causes sterility and retardation.  If reproduction is the purpose of humanity, why would a deity cause the birth of sterile females?  It's one more strike against the funnymentalist Christians.

    The Bible is a rather violent book, and one interpretation may be that God is not as squeamish as the typical modern.
     
    And not just permits but exemplifies selective acceptance of what is allowed to become a new member of society, by being born into it.

    What irks me about this is that Christian theologians have not found a basis upon which to rebuke and rein in the fundamentalists on Christian grounds.  They do not have a coherent world-view, and without an ecumenical system for finding and rejecting error they have NO claim to truth.  This is most of why I am no longer a Christian:  I cannot take it seriously.

    Nasty, brutish and short

  48. 216 says:
    @Mr. Rational

    I cast my doubt on the “studies have shown”.
     
    The lower bound of the estimates deemed credible by that paper still have 2 "carnages" for every 3 potential live births.  Does this support the "pro-life" position that every single one is sacred and precious?  On the contrary, it conclusively debunks it.

    Most trisomies are fatal before birth; trisomy-21 is one of the rare exceptions, yet still causes major malformations.  XXY, XYY and X often survive but X (Turners syndrome) causes sterility and retardation.  If reproduction is the purpose of humanity, why would a deity cause the birth of sterile females?  It's one more strike against the funnymentalist Christians.

    The Bible is a rather violent book, and one interpretation may be that God is not as squeamish as the typical modern.
     
    And not just permits but exemplifies selective acceptance of what is allowed to become a new member of society, by being born into it.

    What irks me about this is that Christian theologians have not found a basis upon which to rebuke and rein in the fundamentalists on Christian grounds.  They do not have a coherent world-view, and without an ecumenical system for finding and rejecting error they have NO claim to truth.  This is most of why I am no longer a Christian:  I cannot take it seriously.

    If reproduction is the purpose of humanity, why would a deity cause the birth of sterile females?

    For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

    MT 19:12

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Eunuchs are genetically male.  I was talking about sterile females.
  49. @216

    If reproduction is the purpose of humanity, why would a deity cause the birth of sterile females?
     

    For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
     
    MT 19:12

    Eunuchs are genetically male.  I was talking about sterile females.

  50. @Travis
    Alabama boycott builds as states retaliate against abortion law....why have these feminists failed to Boycott Mexico ?

    Mexico has some of the strictest abortion laws in the world, and women can find themselves criminalised even after miscarriage. In many states abortion is a punishable offence. At least 679 women were reported or sentenced for the crime of abortion between 2009 and 2011. The country’s 31 states have varying restrictions on abortion – while all allow it in cases of rape, it is illegal in most other circumstances. Only 13 states allow the procedure if a woman’s life is in danger. Since 2008, 16 states have reformed their constitutions to protect life from the point of conception.
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/oct/01/mexican-women-high-price-abortion-laws

    Because there is no value in virtue-signalling against Mexicans. If forced, they’d probably say it’s why we need to let pregnant Latinas in–so they can live the American Dream of abortions for all!

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I was impressed at how pozzed these Latinas have become...

    I met some California latinas. Their ages were 31 and 25. Neither was married. Neither had a boyfriend. Neither seemed interested in having kids AT ALL. It would certainly not come as a surprise if I found out that they had terminated a (or multiple) pregnancy.

    They have the same views as the radical white activists, but are much more casual about them. Basically they live the lifestyle, while the whites preach it.

    Anyways, I tried to get them to come back to my bed but was rejected. I guess the Latin courtesy doesn't extend to Frenchmen.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It kind of leads into what I've been thinking for a while. That in the long term, whites will end up with a higher fertility than other races.

    Even with all the degeneracy, white fertility in Europe seems to stabilize at around 1.6. This is because whites are naturally conservative and responsible people - we feel a DUTY to raise children, coming from within - regardless of how society is pushing us. I know radical white feminists who have 2 white babies.

    We (sometines) know how to act when given freedom. This is why the TFR is relatively high, corruption behaviour, crime, etc. Is kept to a minimum among whites even when there are no constraints preventing these things.

    Others don't have this... so as their society (South Korea) becomes more liberal and free... well their people and fertility fall right off the cliff. I see this extending to Mexicans and Indians too. Once they get developing I see their fertility crashing to the floor. It's pretty amazing that whites have collectively kept it together as well as they have, when you think about it.
  51. @Audacious Epigone
    Because there is no value in virtue-signalling against Mexicans. If forced, they'd probably say it's why we need to let pregnant Latinas in--so they can live the American Dream of abortions for all!

    I was impressed at how pozzed these Latinas have become…

    I met some California latinas. Their ages were 31 and 25. Neither was married. Neither had a boyfriend. Neither seemed interested in having kids AT ALL. It would certainly not come as a surprise if I found out that they had terminated a (or multiple) pregnancy.

    They have the same views as the radical white activists, but are much more casual about them. Basically they live the lifestyle, while the whites preach it.

    Anyways, I tried to get them to come back to my bed but was rejected. I guess the Latin courtesy doesn’t extend to Frenchmen.

  52. @Audacious Epigone
    Because there is no value in virtue-signalling against Mexicans. If forced, they'd probably say it's why we need to let pregnant Latinas in--so they can live the American Dream of abortions for all!

    It kind of leads into what I’ve been thinking for a while. That in the long term, whites will end up with a higher fertility than other races.

    Even with all the degeneracy, white fertility in Europe seems to stabilize at around 1.6. This is because whites are naturally conservative and responsible people – we feel a DUTY to raise children, coming from within – regardless of how society is pushing us. I know radical white feminists who have 2 white babies.

    We (sometines) know how to act when given freedom. This is why the TFR is relatively high, corruption behaviour, crime, etc. Is kept to a minimum among whites even when there are no constraints preventing these things.

    Others don’t have this… so as their society (South Korea) becomes more liberal and free… well their people and fertility fall right off the cliff. I see this extending to Mexicans and Indians too. Once they get developing I see their fertility crashing to the floor. It’s pretty amazing that whites have collectively kept it together as well as they have, when you think about it.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    My instinct is to think the religious--of several or all races--will inherit the earth. On the other hand, as long as we've had good data for it, the religious have been markedly more fertile than the irreligious yet society continues to become less and less religious. Culture has been outrunning biology. Will biology catch up and then overtake culture? Beats me, but my guess is that at some point it will.
  53. @Mr. Rational

    Assholes like you are always correcting people. Because they have an inferiority complex.
     
    Projection again; you have the inferiority complex (which is well-deserved).  If you cannot mentally decompose "you're" into "you are" and see that it is a contraction and not possessive, and likewise not innately know that "your" is the possessive pronoun, you are incompetent in English.

    Since your native language probably has only a couple of thousand words you could be excused if you begged some latitude, but you keep asserting superiority when you are laughably deficient.  This is what makes you such a deserving punching (windy) bag.

    A really proper fate for you would be to be flayed after your demise and your skin turned into a passel of whoopee cushions.  The sounds they'd make would have about as much intellectual content as what you spew now.

    Hahahahahahahahahaha.

    I can’t believe it. You are so clueless, you actually feel the need to EXPLAIN.

    You actually EXPLAIN the your you’re thing.

    Like some spineless little prig.

    Hahahahahhahahahaha.

    Humorless unselfaware blob.

    HAHAHAHAHaHAHA. Oh, oops, I misspelled hahahahahahahhahahahahhahaha.

    Explain it to me please 🙂

    Because I am so edified by your every deathless effusion.

    • Replies: @res
    It is fun to contrast your comment to the one you were responding to.

    That you apparently can't see what that contrast says about you is telling.
  54. Look. Believe me. I am not the only one. Believe me. We are legion.

    We are legion, those who think that those who correct typos online are hapless inadvertently funny prigs.

    Believe me. I am not the only one. Many of us are very conservative. And yet still we think, nay, know, that correcters are hapless prigs. Because they are.

    If you can’t understand this simple social fact, then what’s your you’re little IQ for?

  55. @Mr McKenna
    Asians could always go back to Asia, you know.

    Sure, but how is that relevant to my comment? OH WAIT….it’s not.

    Europeans can go back to….

    Anyways, I don’t plan to stay here forever

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    If you wouldn't mind, be consistent with the email you provide. It's fine if it's fake, but it needs to be the same each time you comment under your handle for auto-approval to work.
  56. @obwandiyag
    Hahahahahahahahahaha.

    I can't believe it. You are so clueless, you actually feel the need to EXPLAIN.

    You actually EXPLAIN the your you're thing.

    Like some spineless little prig.

    Hahahahahhahahahaha.

    Humorless unselfaware blob.

    HAHAHAHAHaHAHA. Oh, oops, I misspelled hahahahahahahhahahahahhahaha.

    Explain it to me please :-)

    Because I am so edified by your every deathless effusion.

    It is fun to contrast your comment to the one you were responding to.

    That you apparently can’t see what that contrast says about you is telling.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Humorless unselfaware fatuous blob prig.
  57. @res
    It is fun to contrast your comment to the one you were responding to.

    That you apparently can't see what that contrast says about you is telling.

    Humorless unselfaware fatuous blob prig.

    • Replies: @res
    That you can't see the humor underlying my comment is also telling. Trust me, I am laughing at you as I write these comments.

    But hey, at least you are capable of spewing insults. So that's something.

    Pro tip: If you are going to go on about how other people are stupid perhaps think about whether comments like your comment 57 (and 54, etc.) help affirm or rebut your assessments of relative intelligence.

    P.S. Do you realize how much your choice of insults says about you? Projection is a dangerous tendency in that regard.
  58. res says:
    @obwandiyag
    Humorless unselfaware fatuous blob prig.

    That you can’t see the humor underlying my comment is also telling. Trust me, I am laughing at you as I write these comments.

    But hey, at least you are capable of spewing insults. So that’s something.

    Pro tip: If you are going to go on about how other people are stupid perhaps think about whether comments like your comment 57 (and 54, etc.) help affirm or rebut your assessments of relative intelligence.

    P.S. Do you realize how much your choice of insults says about you? Projection is a dangerous tendency in that regard.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Humorless blobs always think they are comedians.

    Struggling and striving away at their "explanations."

    You don't even know what is funny about your prose.

    A clue: its mind-numbing dullness.
  59. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It kind of leads into what I've been thinking for a while. That in the long term, whites will end up with a higher fertility than other races.

    Even with all the degeneracy, white fertility in Europe seems to stabilize at around 1.6. This is because whites are naturally conservative and responsible people - we feel a DUTY to raise children, coming from within - regardless of how society is pushing us. I know radical white feminists who have 2 white babies.

    We (sometines) know how to act when given freedom. This is why the TFR is relatively high, corruption behaviour, crime, etc. Is kept to a minimum among whites even when there are no constraints preventing these things.

    Others don't have this... so as their society (South Korea) becomes more liberal and free... well their people and fertility fall right off the cliff. I see this extending to Mexicans and Indians too. Once they get developing I see their fertility crashing to the floor. It's pretty amazing that whites have collectively kept it together as well as they have, when you think about it.

    My instinct is to think the religious–of several or all races–will inherit the earth. On the other hand, as long as we’ve had good data for it, the religious have been markedly more fertile than the irreligious yet society continues to become less and less religious. Culture has been outrunning biology. Will biology catch up and then overtake culture? Beats me, but my guess is that at some point it will.

  60. @Mr. Rational

    The most effective anti-abortion argument I have heard is the one aligning the tolerance for abortion with the 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings between 2011 — 2014. This figure includes a bunch of children gunning down other children in schools.
     
    You don't explain why it took 38 years (1973-2011) for this trend to show itself.  That's 2 freaking generations!

    You also don't bother to look at the trend of prescriptions for ADHD and anti-depression medications.  SSRI's are known to come along with suicidal tendencies, and some of those go with murder-suicide.  Since the surge in medication post-dates Roe v. Wade by decades, it's far more associated (whether or not it is a causative factor) with the rise of school shootings.

    Last, you haven't accounted for the de-policing of blacks.  Most school shootings are between blacks, in majority-black schools.  The enemedia chooses not to report these beyond immediate local coverage, immediately memory-holed.  Who remembers the shooting at Bunny Friend Park, anyway?  But get a shooter who can be identified as White, and WOW!


    The argument goes like this: When you say that it’s morally okay to end a young life in the womb, it is the gateway to devaluing all life, even the lives of young people in schools.
     
    It's an extremely weak argument and is based on cherry-picking of data, ignoring the prevalence of natural failure to implant and miscarriage.  It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the "slaughter" of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed.  If their god existed and cared, that would not be happening!  Yet it is.  It is one more piece of evidence that Christian theology is badly wrong in many ways.

    Kids in the country had a lot of guns in the 1950s — 60s, but there were zero mass school shootings.
     
    Biggest mass-murder of school children in the USA didn't even use a single gun.  It was done with dynamite, in Bath, Michigan in 1927.  If memory serves, this happened between the time that the AMA bought legislation and asserted control over women's reproductive health by banning un-licensed abortionists, and the SCOTUS saying "you don't have the Constitutional authority to do that".

    tl;dr Blaming abortion for school shootings is BS.  Try Big Pharma and Cibil Rites instead.

    “It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the “slaughter” of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed.”

    Does it also bother you that Christians are opposed to maiming children? I mean, children are born with birth defects every day, so why can’t we maim them ourselves?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Does it also bother you that Christians are opposed to maiming children?
     
    I am opposed to the creation of maimed children, by any means.  Not natural, not accidental, and definitely not deliberate.

    I mean, children are born with birth defects every day, so why can’t we maim them ourselves?
     
    Because the point is to decrease human suffering, not increase it.  I have met a child who was born with a severe cleft palate.  I cannot comprehend the number of surgeries and concommittant suffering required just to let this child eat normally without getting food up into the sinuses and down the windpipe.  I know that this child's father opposed its being born, because he knew from personal experience just how miserable such repairs are.  He was right, the child's mother was wrong.  The child's mother selfishly brought it into the world for her own validation, and visited immense misery on her unwitting progeny.  I hope she suffers for what she did, because her child suffered when it did not have to.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Does it also bother you that Christians are opposed to maiming children?"

    The very first thing Christians do to their new born sons is mutilate their penises. So, I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
  61. @BengaliCanadianDude
    Sure, but how is that relevant to my comment? OH WAIT....it's not.

    Europeans can go back to....

    Anyways, I don't plan to stay here forever

    If you wouldn’t mind, be consistent with the email you provide. It’s fine if it’s fake, but it needs to be the same each time you comment under your handle for auto-approval to work.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    I have been though. I haven't changed it...?
  62. @Audacious Epigone
    If you wouldn't mind, be consistent with the email you provide. It's fine if it's fake, but it needs to be the same each time you comment under your handle for auto-approval to work.

    I have been though. I haven’t changed it…?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I have the one you're currently using locked in. Just keep using that one and you shouldn't have any problems. Let me know if you do.
  63. @res
    That you can't see the humor underlying my comment is also telling. Trust me, I am laughing at you as I write these comments.

    But hey, at least you are capable of spewing insults. So that's something.

    Pro tip: If you are going to go on about how other people are stupid perhaps think about whether comments like your comment 57 (and 54, etc.) help affirm or rebut your assessments of relative intelligence.

    P.S. Do you realize how much your choice of insults says about you? Projection is a dangerous tendency in that regard.

    Humorless blobs always think they are comedians.

    Struggling and striving away at their “explanations.”

    You don’t even know what is funny about your prose.

    A clue: its mind-numbing dullness.

    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    I have one exception to my rule of preventing misery.  It applies to the likes of you.

    ANYTHING that makes you miserable when you mock the achievement of true humans is not merely justified, but praiseworthy.  GTFO back to your 5#1+hole homeland and we will not pay you any more attention.
  64. @Saint Louis
    "It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the “slaughter” of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed."

    Does it also bother you that Christians are opposed to maiming children? I mean, children are born with birth defects every day, so why can't we maim them ourselves?

    Does it also bother you that Christians are opposed to maiming children?

    I am opposed to the creation of maimed children, by any means.  Not natural, not accidental, and definitely not deliberate.

    I mean, children are born with birth defects every day, so why can’t we maim them ourselves?

    Because the point is to decrease human suffering, not increase it.  I have met a child who was born with a severe cleft palate.  I cannot comprehend the number of surgeries and concommittant suffering required just to let this child eat normally without getting food up into the sinuses and down the windpipe.  I know that this child’s father opposed its being born, because he knew from personal experience just how miserable such repairs are.  He was right, the child’s mother was wrong.  The child’s mother selfishly brought it into the world for her own validation, and visited immense misery on her unwitting progeny.  I hope she suffers for what she did, because her child suffered when it did not have to.

  65. @obwandiyag
    Humorless blobs always think they are comedians.

    Struggling and striving away at their "explanations."

    You don't even know what is funny about your prose.

    A clue: its mind-numbing dullness.

    I have one exception to my rule of preventing misery.  It applies to the likes of you.

    ANYTHING that makes you miserable when you mock the achievement of true humans is not merely justified, but praiseworthy.  GTFO back to your 5#1+hole homeland and we will not pay you any more attention.

  66. @Audacious Epigone
    Aware of exit polling on any abortion ballot initiatives? It's not something I've looked into before.

    I got my data from analyzing precinct results. In Tennessee, one of the very few counties to vote “pro-choice” was the rural, majority black Haywood Co. Ditto for Alabama and it’s so-called rural “Black Belt” (which is doubly surprising since rural blacks are presumably more conservative than ones in inner cities).

    One thing I have noticed, on the topic of abortion, is that it seems to be the most non-negotiable issue of all in the eyes of the Left. Liberals who have no issue at all flip-flopping on free trade (when Trump opposed it) or building the border wall (which was widely supported by liberals back when Obama was claiming he was going to build it) will automatically balk at even the slightest attempt to ‘mess with’ the status quo of abortion – even if it’s to ban highly controversial and unpopular ideas like partial birth abortion. This seems to be the one issue that liberals are absolutely hell-bent on promoting, and are far, far more ruthless and brutal when they don’t get their way (as is shown by their attempt to financially ruin an already poor state for daring to disagree with them) than with any other issue, except possibly “Gay Rights”. I have personally met numerous liberals, both before and after the recent bout of social-justice brainwashing, who have evinced a visceral hatred for the pro-life crowd that they simply do not have for anyone else, even outright white nationalists. It’s very, very odd to say the least.

    • Replies: @res

    I have personally met numerous liberals, both before and after the recent bout of social-justice brainwashing, who have evinced a visceral hatred for the pro-life crowd that they simply do not have for anyone else, even outright white nationalists. It’s very, very odd to say the least.
     
    I think it is pretty easy to understand if you observe that whether or not abortion is net desirable to society, it clearly has a reprehensible moral side to it (at best IMHO it is is the lesser of evils). The people who point that out to liberals who so firmly believe they are on the morally right side in everything (and tend to weight care/harm as the highest priority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory#The_five_foundations ) is bound to evoke a reaction. In general, one reacts most viscerally to criticism which is valid.

    Put another way, do people hate anyone more than someone who makes them feel bad about themselves?

    I like comparing abortion to antebellum slavery and abolitionists to pro-lifers. A somewhat similar comparison is abortion vs. the death penalty. I think looking at those issues and trying to reconcile people's viewpoints can be instructive.
    , @iffen
    it’s so-called rural “Black Belt”

    Why do you use so-called? The soil is black and the people are black.

    With regard to Alabama, did the amendment vote that you are looking at take place in an off-year or presidential ballot year?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    How would you pithily describe the broad differences between rural and (sub)urban blacks? I've spent a lot of time around the latter but virtually none around the former--the sole exception being a very pleasant farmer who was exactly what I imagine Darius Rucker would be if he wasn't a famous musician.
    , @Feryl
    Since the 80's, abortion has been the most "divisive" issue of all. Roe V Wade was a pretty radical ruling, yet the "conservatives" among our elites proved to be failures at opposing it. The weaker the establishment got at opposing abortion, the more we see lots of pent up rage on the Right. When our cultural direction was rapidly going in a Leftward direction in the 70's and 80's, the seeds of Right discontent were being planted. By the 1990's, many formerly "moderate" (not very pro-Life) Republicans were being chased out of the party, or forced to adopt a zealous pro-life position*. Since the 90's, abortion and guns have really been the only cultural issues that the Right has made any headway on (meanwhile, media obscenity is terrible, immigration is out of control, gay marriage happened etc.), because these are the only cultural issues that 95% of the GOP base agrees on.

    *Meanwhile, on the Left, many moderates/conservatives have been chased away; there was a Dem in the early 80's who floated the idea of blocking gay immigrants from entry!
  67. res says:
    @Mr Puroik
    I got my data from analyzing precinct results. In Tennessee, one of the very few counties to vote "pro-choice" was the rural, majority black Haywood Co. Ditto for Alabama and it's so-called rural "Black Belt" (which is doubly surprising since rural blacks are presumably more conservative than ones in inner cities).

    One thing I have noticed, on the topic of abortion, is that it seems to be the most non-negotiable issue of all in the eyes of the Left. Liberals who have no issue at all flip-flopping on free trade (when Trump opposed it) or building the border wall (which was widely supported by liberals back when Obama was claiming he was going to build it) will automatically balk at even the slightest attempt to 'mess with' the status quo of abortion - even if it's to ban highly controversial and unpopular ideas like partial birth abortion. This seems to be the one issue that liberals are absolutely hell-bent on promoting, and are far, far more ruthless and brutal when they don't get their way (as is shown by their attempt to financially ruin an already poor state for daring to disagree with them) than with any other issue, except possibly "Gay Rights". I have personally met numerous liberals, both before and after the recent bout of social-justice brainwashing, who have evinced a visceral hatred for the pro-life crowd that they simply do not have for anyone else, even outright white nationalists. It's very, very odd to say the least.

    I have personally met numerous liberals, both before and after the recent bout of social-justice brainwashing, who have evinced a visceral hatred for the pro-life crowd that they simply do not have for anyone else, even outright white nationalists. It’s very, very odd to say the least.

    I think it is pretty easy to understand if you observe that whether or not abortion is net desirable to society, it clearly has a reprehensible moral side to it (at best IMHO it is is the lesser of evils). The people who point that out to liberals who so firmly believe they are on the morally right side in everything (and tend to weight care/harm as the highest priority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory#The_five_foundations ) is bound to evoke a reaction. In general, one reacts most viscerally to criticism which is valid.

    Put another way, do people hate anyone more than someone who makes them feel bad about themselves?

    I like comparing abortion to antebellum slavery and abolitionists to pro-lifers. A somewhat similar comparison is abortion vs. the death penalty. I think looking at those issues and trying to reconcile people’s viewpoints can be instructive.

  68. @Mr Puroik
    I got my data from analyzing precinct results. In Tennessee, one of the very few counties to vote "pro-choice" was the rural, majority black Haywood Co. Ditto for Alabama and it's so-called rural "Black Belt" (which is doubly surprising since rural blacks are presumably more conservative than ones in inner cities).

    One thing I have noticed, on the topic of abortion, is that it seems to be the most non-negotiable issue of all in the eyes of the Left. Liberals who have no issue at all flip-flopping on free trade (when Trump opposed it) or building the border wall (which was widely supported by liberals back when Obama was claiming he was going to build it) will automatically balk at even the slightest attempt to 'mess with' the status quo of abortion - even if it's to ban highly controversial and unpopular ideas like partial birth abortion. This seems to be the one issue that liberals are absolutely hell-bent on promoting, and are far, far more ruthless and brutal when they don't get their way (as is shown by their attempt to financially ruin an already poor state for daring to disagree with them) than with any other issue, except possibly "Gay Rights". I have personally met numerous liberals, both before and after the recent bout of social-justice brainwashing, who have evinced a visceral hatred for the pro-life crowd that they simply do not have for anyone else, even outright white nationalists. It's very, very odd to say the least.

    it’s so-called rural “Black Belt”

    Why do you use so-called? The soil is black and the people are black.

    With regard to Alabama, did the amendment vote that you are looking at take place in an off-year or presidential ballot year?

  69. @Saint Louis
    "It is particularly galling to me that so-called Christians can be rabidly anti-abortion while failing to hold their god to account for the “slaughter” of blastocysts and early embryos that happens every day, un-noticed."

    Does it also bother you that Christians are opposed to maiming children? I mean, children are born with birth defects every day, so why can't we maim them ourselves?

    “Does it also bother you that Christians are opposed to maiming children?”

    The very first thing Christians do to their new born sons is mutilate their penises. So, I’m not really sure what you’re talking about.

  70. @BengaliCanadianDude
    I have been though. I haven't changed it...?

    I have the one you’re currently using locked in. Just keep using that one and you shouldn’t have any problems. Let me know if you do.

  71. @Mr Puroik
    I got my data from analyzing precinct results. In Tennessee, one of the very few counties to vote "pro-choice" was the rural, majority black Haywood Co. Ditto for Alabama and it's so-called rural "Black Belt" (which is doubly surprising since rural blacks are presumably more conservative than ones in inner cities).

    One thing I have noticed, on the topic of abortion, is that it seems to be the most non-negotiable issue of all in the eyes of the Left. Liberals who have no issue at all flip-flopping on free trade (when Trump opposed it) or building the border wall (which was widely supported by liberals back when Obama was claiming he was going to build it) will automatically balk at even the slightest attempt to 'mess with' the status quo of abortion - even if it's to ban highly controversial and unpopular ideas like partial birth abortion. This seems to be the one issue that liberals are absolutely hell-bent on promoting, and are far, far more ruthless and brutal when they don't get their way (as is shown by their attempt to financially ruin an already poor state for daring to disagree with them) than with any other issue, except possibly "Gay Rights". I have personally met numerous liberals, both before and after the recent bout of social-justice brainwashing, who have evinced a visceral hatred for the pro-life crowd that they simply do not have for anyone else, even outright white nationalists. It's very, very odd to say the least.

    How would you pithily describe the broad differences between rural and (sub)urban blacks? I’ve spent a lot of time around the latter but virtually none around the former–the sole exception being a very pleasant farmer who was exactly what I imagine Darius Rucker would be if he wasn’t a famous musician.

    • Replies: @Mr Puroik
    As someone who spent several years involved in ministry in a variety of struggling communities (rural black, rural white, inner city black etc.) I can say the biggest difference I noticed comes down to attitude. Rural black people may have the same problems with out-of-wedlock births and reliance on government dole as their urban counterparts, but there's a lot more awareness that it's wrong and that they should clean up their act. Rural blacks are surprisingly willing to criticize their own community and a lot of the older generation will actually look back at Jim Crow as the "good old days" since at least back then, for all the crap they had to take, they had strong families, churches and communities. There's a lot less entitlement in this demographic, which is doubly ironic given that they have been objectively treated a lot worse in the South than northern, urban black people have in states where they long benefitted from New Deal social programs and didn't have to deal with Jim Crow, etc.

    I found them way easier to do ministry work among as well. For one thing, almost all of them are at least nominally Christian and go to church every Sunday, even if it is only for social reasons. Black churches are a lot less politically motivated and a lot more spiritually motivated in rural areas as well. I heard almost no anti-white crap in all my years of working with black preachers in the rural Deep South, whereas that sort of attitude was ubiquitous in the inner city churches where the church was frequently used as a tool for Democratic Party political machines. I remember one black preacher even publicly shaming members of his congregation for refusing to get a job, something which would never happen in a typical urban church where everything was immediately blamed on the "white man" and "oppression".

    Profanity is another notable difference. Rural blacks, especially the older generation, tend to speak very softly and politely, much like rural Southern whites. I used to be shocked by how little these people would swear and cuss even when us supposedly good, holy white Christians would occasionally drop an "F" bomb. I also noted that people tended not to resent each other the way they did in the city - and this included blacks vs. blacks as well as blacks vs. whites. Even in highly "segregated" rural towns in Mississippi, white people and black people got along far better on a day to day basis than in woke, progressive cities where they barely interact with each other at all. Overall, I was quite impressed with them and this is why I hold out hope that the African race still has some potential, provided they aren't coddled by society and given special treatment the way they are in most of urban America today.
  72. @Audacious Epigone
    How would you pithily describe the broad differences between rural and (sub)urban blacks? I've spent a lot of time around the latter but virtually none around the former--the sole exception being a very pleasant farmer who was exactly what I imagine Darius Rucker would be if he wasn't a famous musician.

    As someone who spent several years involved in ministry in a variety of struggling communities (rural black, rural white, inner city black etc.) I can say the biggest difference I noticed comes down to attitude. Rural black people may have the same problems with out-of-wedlock births and reliance on government dole as their urban counterparts, but there’s a lot more awareness that it’s wrong and that they should clean up their act. Rural blacks are surprisingly willing to criticize their own community and a lot of the older generation will actually look back at Jim Crow as the “good old days” since at least back then, for all the crap they had to take, they had strong families, churches and communities. There’s a lot less entitlement in this demographic, which is doubly ironic given that they have been objectively treated a lot worse in the South than northern, urban black people have in states where they long benefitted from New Deal social programs and didn’t have to deal with Jim Crow, etc.

    I found them way easier to do ministry work among as well. For one thing, almost all of them are at least nominally Christian and go to church every Sunday, even if it is only for social reasons. Black churches are a lot less politically motivated and a lot more spiritually motivated in rural areas as well. I heard almost no anti-white crap in all my years of working with black preachers in the rural Deep South, whereas that sort of attitude was ubiquitous in the inner city churches where the church was frequently used as a tool for Democratic Party political machines. I remember one black preacher even publicly shaming members of his congregation for refusing to get a job, something which would never happen in a typical urban church where everything was immediately blamed on the “white man” and “oppression”.

    Profanity is another notable difference. Rural blacks, especially the older generation, tend to speak very softly and politely, much like rural Southern whites. I used to be shocked by how little these people would swear and cuss even when us supposedly good, holy white Christians would occasionally drop an “F” bomb. I also noted that people tended not to resent each other the way they did in the city – and this included blacks vs. blacks as well as blacks vs. whites. Even in highly “segregated” rural towns in Mississippi, white people and black people got along far better on a day to day basis than in woke, progressive cities where they barely interact with each other at all. Overall, I was quite impressed with them and this is why I hold out hope that the African race still has some potential, provided they aren’t coddled by society and given special treatment the way they are in most of urban America today.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Thanks very much for that.

    Jesse Lee Peterson naturally comes immediately to mind.
  73. @Mr Puroik
    As someone who spent several years involved in ministry in a variety of struggling communities (rural black, rural white, inner city black etc.) I can say the biggest difference I noticed comes down to attitude. Rural black people may have the same problems with out-of-wedlock births and reliance on government dole as their urban counterparts, but there's a lot more awareness that it's wrong and that they should clean up their act. Rural blacks are surprisingly willing to criticize their own community and a lot of the older generation will actually look back at Jim Crow as the "good old days" since at least back then, for all the crap they had to take, they had strong families, churches and communities. There's a lot less entitlement in this demographic, which is doubly ironic given that they have been objectively treated a lot worse in the South than northern, urban black people have in states where they long benefitted from New Deal social programs and didn't have to deal with Jim Crow, etc.

    I found them way easier to do ministry work among as well. For one thing, almost all of them are at least nominally Christian and go to church every Sunday, even if it is only for social reasons. Black churches are a lot less politically motivated and a lot more spiritually motivated in rural areas as well. I heard almost no anti-white crap in all my years of working with black preachers in the rural Deep South, whereas that sort of attitude was ubiquitous in the inner city churches where the church was frequently used as a tool for Democratic Party political machines. I remember one black preacher even publicly shaming members of his congregation for refusing to get a job, something which would never happen in a typical urban church where everything was immediately blamed on the "white man" and "oppression".

    Profanity is another notable difference. Rural blacks, especially the older generation, tend to speak very softly and politely, much like rural Southern whites. I used to be shocked by how little these people would swear and cuss even when us supposedly good, holy white Christians would occasionally drop an "F" bomb. I also noted that people tended not to resent each other the way they did in the city - and this included blacks vs. blacks as well as blacks vs. whites. Even in highly "segregated" rural towns in Mississippi, white people and black people got along far better on a day to day basis than in woke, progressive cities where they barely interact with each other at all. Overall, I was quite impressed with them and this is why I hold out hope that the African race still has some potential, provided they aren't coddled by society and given special treatment the way they are in most of urban America today.

    Thanks very much for that.

    Jesse Lee Peterson naturally comes immediately to mind.

  74. @Endgame Napoleon
    White males likely feel that way because of the very unequal outcome for them when out-of-wedlock reproduction occurs, with the males chased down by authorities and sometimes even jailed when they fail to repay the monthly cash assistance given to single moms on top of their reduced-cost rent, free electricity, free food and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash.

    Males are also treated roughly in child support matters. When you apply for call center jobs monitoring this, they force you to take a test, with recordings of angry men screaming loudly in your ear.

    In an era of unstable jobs and wages that have been stagnant for 40 years as rents rose out of reach, womb-less men who often impregnate women and non-womb-productive, childless, single women get no help from government, even though many of them can’t afford rent since it takes over half of their earned-only income.

    White men are often making as little as the single moms they impregnate. But the moms get paid more by Uncle Sam with each additional out-of-wedlock birth, as long as they stay under the earned-income limits for the programs via part-time work or by dropping the welfare during months when income from temp jobs goes over the programs’ limits.

    White men are also much more likely to have been raised with strong social pressure to support any kids they produce, even in this impossible economy, and when they can’t support themselves or kids on the available part-time, temp and churn jobs, they are much more likely to get lacerating criticism from those around them.

    Black men are often in the same financial boat, albeit their attitudes toward welfare-assisted motherhood v/s abortion may be influenced by the fact that more Blacks consume welfare, meaning more of them have grown up on it. That’s why some conservative Blacks reject “the system,” but many don’t, whether or not they benefit from “the system” after they turn 18.

    The fact that their mommas are in a tough economic situation after the kids turn 18, whereupon they must finance all unaffordable bills on earned-only income from low-wage, female-dominated jobs (just like the childless, single women) doesn’t seem to occur to Black men.

    Hispanics may oppose abortion more not just because of religion, but because they are gaming the womb-productivity-based welfare system in a different way than whites, or they were about a decade ago. It may have changed as the single-mom birth rate has risen among Hispanics. The girlfriends and wives of legal / illegal immigrants used to get welfare based on paycheck stubs proving low-enough traceable income from a male breadwinner, proof of monthly expenses and the SS cards of their US-born kids.

    This stressful-to-the-max welfare-rigged labor market, full of voted-best-for-moms part-time, temp and churn jobs that won’t cover rent unless you have a spousal income or government-paid major bills, makes a dignified lifestyle impossible for so many citizens.

    This welfare rigging has killed off quite a few non-welfare-eligible, middle-aged whites, but conservatives who are obsessed with the white birth rate likely rate the lives of young whites as being more valuable since most of them stick around on Planet Earth longer. It’ll take awhile for any new white births to affect anything for current generations other than possibly making the welfare-rigged labor market even more brutal for the non-welfare-eligible non womb producers.

    The pay-per-birth thing is also not working to meet Conservatives Social Engineering goals. Uniparty politicians on the left and the right have this Plan: more child tax credits, more free daycare and, recently, this rather strict abortion ban attempt from the conservatives outside of the Uniparty. It doesn’t seem like adding rape and incest to the stipulations is a winning ticket. That reads as extreme.

    The most revealing cognitive-dissonance gap on the left is their staunch insistence that global warming is going to wipe out the human race and the Earth along with it. Yet, they support paying citizens and noncitizens to have womb-productive sex, with more generous government payments accruing to the part-time-working families, the more natural-resource-consuming environment destroyers that they pump out. Leftist environmentalists should be anti abortion by this logic. Their economic policies support a human natural-resource-consuming tsunami, and they apply this to the entire planet, inviting them to the pay-per-birth buffet table in the USA.

    The most effective anti-abortion argument I have heard is the one aligning the tolerance for abortion with the 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings between 2011 — 2014. This figure includes a bunch of children gunning down other children in schools. This is something that is high on almost everyone’s priority list of morally unacceptable things.

    The argument goes like this: When you say that it’s morally okay to end a young life in the womb, it is the gateway to devaluing all life, even the lives of young people in schools. That’s a pretty powerful argument against abortion, especially since there’s nothing else that explains this staggering increase in violence in the most unexpected of places. There are no moral boundaries anymore.

    Kids in the country had a lot of guns in the 1950s — 60s, but there were zero mass school shootings. There may have been one on a college campus at the end of the Sixties, but other than that, none.

    If they wanted to be honest, another argument might be that if you abort and then don’t have kids—just like if you never have an abortion but fail to have kids—you will be openly discriminated against in a very unpleasant way with no legal recourse in America’s many nearly 100% mom-staffed voted-best-for-moms office jobs, where moms are above firing, no matter how much time they take off in excess of their PTO and preggie leave.

    And moms don’t have to meet quotas, either, but you will be fired in a heartbeat for 5 minutes of absenteeism, even if you meet quotas every month and attend work everyday all day without taking off days, mornings, weeks and afternoons like the moms.

    Good luck covering rent in that crony-corrupt womb-privileged system. Before aborting, remember: Part-time-working momma’s rent is reduced or free. Her groceries and electricity are covered by government, too, and she gets monthly cash and a big old refundable child tax credit on top of it to cushion her when wages are low, and the job is part time, temp or a churn gig.

    But unless you are affluent, America is an economically brutal place to be an individual—to be a childless, single citizen, whether or not you would ever have an abortion. Womb-productivity-based fake feminists have made sure of that while cheerleading for abortion. Hold that abortion!

    America: It’s not a good place for many non-womb-productive individuals—male or female—as designed by the writers of our Constitution, with its “working families” language. America: It’s not a good place for new household formation on earned-only income, either, even though it was the route to family formation in the past, whereas now the womb-productive sex precedes the state-supported household formation.

    Maybe, some males don’t relish bringing kids into this version of America. They don’t have a role worth playing in this welfare-rigged setup. Many other citizens don’t either.

    “The most effective anti-abortion argument I have heard is the one aligning the tolerance for abortion with the 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings between 2011 — 2014. This figure includes a bunch of children gunning down other children in schools. This is something that is high on almost everyone’s priority list of morally unacceptable things.”

    As the national mood in America has swiftly been declining since the mid-70’s, mass murders have gotten worse. And the 2010’s have seen a substantial decline in mental health among white Americans, in particular (note the suicide rate rising). It seems to me that SSRI drugs are an effect of depression and anxiety, not a cause of it. We should also be aware of individual vs collective violence. General street crime was substantially worse in the 1970’s-90’s than it is now. Yet go figure that collective violence (riots, bombings, mass murders) was actually quite low in the 80’s. Peter Turchin says that high levels of inequality plus a rising collective violence cycle tend to produce a lot of terrorism and angst, e.g. the Civil War era. The 1960’s would’ve been much worse if this country was not at it’s all time peak of equality during that era. In terms of civic discord, we’re on track to see the most amount of collective violence since the 1910’s/early 20’s, and perhaps even the Civil War era. In fact, judging from mass shootings it’s safe to say that we’ve already reached a major spike in collective violence that outdoes the 60’s, but it could get worse.

  75. @Mr Puroik
    I got my data from analyzing precinct results. In Tennessee, one of the very few counties to vote "pro-choice" was the rural, majority black Haywood Co. Ditto for Alabama and it's so-called rural "Black Belt" (which is doubly surprising since rural blacks are presumably more conservative than ones in inner cities).

    One thing I have noticed, on the topic of abortion, is that it seems to be the most non-negotiable issue of all in the eyes of the Left. Liberals who have no issue at all flip-flopping on free trade (when Trump opposed it) or building the border wall (which was widely supported by liberals back when Obama was claiming he was going to build it) will automatically balk at even the slightest attempt to 'mess with' the status quo of abortion - even if it's to ban highly controversial and unpopular ideas like partial birth abortion. This seems to be the one issue that liberals are absolutely hell-bent on promoting, and are far, far more ruthless and brutal when they don't get their way (as is shown by their attempt to financially ruin an already poor state for daring to disagree with them) than with any other issue, except possibly "Gay Rights". I have personally met numerous liberals, both before and after the recent bout of social-justice brainwashing, who have evinced a visceral hatred for the pro-life crowd that they simply do not have for anyone else, even outright white nationalists. It's very, very odd to say the least.

    Since the 80’s, abortion has been the most “divisive” issue of all. Roe V Wade was a pretty radical ruling, yet the “conservatives” among our elites proved to be failures at opposing it. The weaker the establishment got at opposing abortion, the more we see lots of pent up rage on the Right. When our cultural direction was rapidly going in a Leftward direction in the 70’s and 80’s, the seeds of Right discontent were being planted. By the 1990’s, many formerly “moderate” (not very pro-Life) Republicans were being chased out of the party, or forced to adopt a zealous pro-life position*. Since the 90’s, abortion and guns have really been the only cultural issues that the Right has made any headway on (meanwhile, media obscenity is terrible, immigration is out of control, gay marriage happened etc.), because these are the only cultural issues that 95% of the GOP base agrees on.

    *Meanwhile, on the Left, many moderates/conservatives have been chased away; there was a Dem in the early 80’s who floated the idea of blocking gay immigrants from entry!

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