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In the recent post reporting on Trump’s electoral enthusiasm advantage over Biden, several astute commenters noted that while enthusiasm for Biden was lukewarm among the former vice president’s supporters, motivation to vote against Trump burns with the passion of one thousand suns inside many of them. Biden voters express more antipathy towards Trump than Trump voters do towards Biden:

Voters who want to vote for someone are still generally considered to be better electoral assets than those who want to vote against someone else are, but this sullies the situation for the president. His long odds remain long indeed.

 
• Category: Culture/Society, Ideology • Tags: Election 2020, Polling 
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  1. Talha says:

    Wow – nearly 90%?! That is an incredible level on consensus to get on almost any political subject in a large group. Absolutely incredible.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  2. Trump has done something difficult–keeping his base’s enthusiasm lukewarm while energizing his opponents. He governs like Jeb Bush with an aggressive Twitter account. In fairness, his opponents are energized mostly by a media that is nothing but “Trump is a monster,” 24/7. Do not expect that intent dislike, bordering on hatred, for Trump to dissipate if Biden is elected. It will be directed at white people in general; we are in for a rough ride and I question whether whites have the organization and the willpower to mount an effective resistance.

    • Agree: Sean, Richard B
    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @Corvinus
  3. From a guy who has often noted the Bad about President Trump, albeit with still a sign in the yard for ’20 and a plan to go vote for him 11/3, I’ve got a yuge apology coming to him. Peak Stupidity went over a very encouraging article from VDare, the go-to site on all things immigration, in the Good. It seems The NY Times is now touting lots of success from the President’s work on immigration , or at least that’s the way Washington Watcher II and I have been taking it. Maybe it’s a reading comprehension thing …

    I’ve had 5 people thank me for the pro-Trump sign in the yard, and in 2 of the cases we talked about politics for 45 minutes and about 20 minutes afterwards. I am not exaggerating Great people! Amazing people!

    A post about “the Ugly” is forthcoming. It will not involve the President directly but the campaign and the lies out of Joe Biden.

    .

    PS: Here is the VDare article itself.

    • Thanks: LondonBob, res
    • Replies: @Wyatt
    , @Chrisnonymous
  4. Sub says:

    Obviously this is an anecdote, so take it with the grain of salt it deserves, but I’m not sure the dislike/hate suburban white moms have for Trump necessarily makes them Biden voters after all of the mostly fiery protests.

    My wife is exactly the sort of suburban white mother that the Democrats are counting on to defect to Biden, she even comes from a long standing family of Dems. She has strongly disliked Trump from day one, and told me there was no way she could ever vote for him, but she is also a race realist and the angry anti-white rhetoric of the summer of George has scared her quite a bit for herself and our children.

    The most recent time we talked about it, she told me that while she couldn’t vote for Trump, she also couldn’t vote for what the national Democrats stand for with their anti-white hatred, and that she could honestly see herself voting for the Republican presidential candidate for the first time in her life in 2024 since it would not be Trump. We live in one of the states where Kanye West was on the ballot, and that is who she voted for, just for the shits and giggles.

    I think that the Trump campaign would be wise to really hammer on the anti-white rhetoric that flowed during the riots, it might not get the suburban white moms to vote for Trump, but it very well could persuade them to stay home rather than support the party that wants their kids enslaved.

    • Replies: @Realist
  5. I’ve been saying this for a while now, everyone is simply voting for or against Trump. Biden is a mere bystander in his own election.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
  6. unit472 says:

    The problem with A.E. theory is that the popular vote is not decisive in a presidential election. Biden can and will roll up huge majorities in places like California and New York and Trump can get less than 10% of the vote in D.C. but he only needs to eke out a majority of votes in Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to get a 2nd term. Remember Gore lost Florida by 500 votes in 2000 and that put Bush in the White House.

    What might be very interesting is the disparate impact of Covid mortality rates in these key states. For example 40% of all Covid deaths in Michigan ( 7317 as of yesterday ) were negroes. Negroes are only 12% of the population s0 there will be about 3000 fewer negroes available to vote in 2020 than otherwise would have been the case. Given the voting patterns of negroes we have to assume these would almost all be Biden voters and given the age distribution of covid deaths, likely Biden voters.

    The same effect will be taking place in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida. It may only be a few thousand votes in each state but they will be disproportionately Biden voters. Toss in the difficulty of getting negroes to properly fill out and mail in their ballots and the fear of older negroes to stand in lines at the polls due to the risk of infection and Biden will have a real problem carrying these battleground states.

    • Replies: @MarkU
    , @Curmudgeon
  7. A123 says:

    This is a poorly written poll question as “dissatisfied” is not a low intensity version of “upset”.

    How would this voter respond to the question?
    — Opposes Biden enthusiastically because a mentally ill President is intolerable.

    The respondent’s understanding of the question impacts the result:

    — Upset at the DNC for nominating a candidate with Dementia? Yes.
    — Upset at Biden for being the victim of mental illness? No. For this interpretation of the question, the response will be “enthusiastic & dissatisfied” as upset is clearly inappropriate.

    Because of the poor question construction, the last two categories “enthusiastic & dissatisfied” / “enthusiastic & upset” need to be added together for meaningful analysis. This shows essentially no difference between the voting groups (95%/97%).
    _____

    My question to the readers here — Did YouGov ask this poorly constructed question because they simply made a mistake? Or, were they deliberately trying to maneuver Trump voters out the “most intense” category?

    Why did they not use “not upset”, “slightly upset”, “somewhat upset”, “very upset”?

    PEACE 😇

  8. MarkU says:
    @unit472

    One problem with your analysis is that it isn’t just the living who vote by post. You have failed to take account of the fact that people are more likely to vote for Joe Biden if they are dead.

    • LOL: Sean
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @MBlanc46
  9. bjondo says:

    Many who voted against Trump in 2016
    will vote for him Nov 3.

    The remaining deluded Never Trumpers
    at most amount to 35%.

    Burning cities, rampaging mobs, murders,
    not magnets for Dems.

  10. Wyatt says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    and in 2 of the cases we talked about politics for 45 minutes and about 20 minutes afterwards.

    Did you tell them about the dancing Israelis, 9/11 and the Project for a New American Century? That’s kind of how we win.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  11. @unit472

    Remember Gore lost Florida by 500 votes in 2000 and that put Bush in the White House.

    Technically, no one knows who won Florida, because the Supreme Court stopped the counting and installed Bush.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Curle
    , @Chrisnonymous
  12. Mark G. says:

    I ate dinner in a Moroccan restaurant in downtown Indianapolis last night. The waitress asked me how I was and I said I was fine and asked her how she was. She then said she was angry and upset. I asked her what she was angry and upset about and she told me it was Trump being president and his handling of the epidemic and everything else he is doing in office. She said she wasn’t a fan of Biden but hates Trump and can hardly wait for him to lose the election. Then she suddenly calmed down and said she usually tries not to talk about politics and religion and apologized to me. I’m 64 years old and I can’t ever remember something like this happening before in a restaurant or in any other interaction with an employee of any other business I was a customer of.

    • Thanks: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Tony
    , @Curle
  13. @MarkU

    You have proven that the truth can also be funny.

    • Thanks: MarkU
  14. Dumbo says:

    I have never seen another American president that was so vilified, so much that even people abroad who know nothing about American politics seem to hate him. CNN is basically “Trump is evil and incompetent” 24/7 (and wouldn’t be better someone evil and incompetent than someone evil and competent?).

    That said, Trump has basically thrown his constituency under the bus, and really now it’s more Jared and Ivanka’s presidency, so in the end it doesn’t matter.

    H.L. Mencken was right. White people will get it good and hard.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  15. A123 says:
    @Dumbo

    Trump has basically thrown his constituency under the bus,

    I keep hearing this absurd statement and it never makes sense.

    Trump energized a Judeo-Christian constituency in 2016 that elected him. He has fully energized this Judeo-Christian constituency for his inevitable re-election in 2020.

    Racist White Nationalists despised his Jewish family in 2106. Those anti-Semitic WN’s still hate Trump’s family. However, they hate the idea of President Harris even more. Does anyone actually believe WN’s will turnout for Biden?

    Despite years of illegitimate RussiaGate investigations, Trump delivered job growth, judicial reform, and sharply reduced Chinese trade exploitation. He has delivered as much border wall as he could fund over DNC House opposition. H1B restrictions may have been delivered late, but they are finally here: (1)

    Advocates for the H-1B visa-worker program are protesting the wage increases required by President Donald Trump’s deputies, saying the raises will sharply reduce hiring of the foreign workers.

    The protests show that “the entire H-1B project has been nothing but cheap [labor for] tech,” said Kevin Lynn, founder of U.S. Tech Workers.

    “The fact that they would say increasing the wages of the H-1B workers will result in an exodus of H-1Bs from the United States and an increase in [job] offshoring, demonstrates that for the entire time since 1990, the purpose of the H-1B program was to bring in cheap labor — and I emphasize cheap labor — to displace Americans college-grads,” said Lynn, who is encouraging Trump’s deputies to tout their reforms of the H-1B program in the 2020 campaign.

    Trump is the first President in modern history who has not started a new foreign war. Despite establishment Deep State obstructionism, Trump has de-escalated several overseas engagements. His 2nd term should end the folly of the Obama Surge in Afghanistan. (2)

    White House National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien on Friday doubled down on a plan first announced by President Trump last week to withdraw the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan to 2,500 by Christmas, despite pushback from top Pentagon leaders.

    Trump has even added to the constituency. Booting the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and irrational NeoCons brought many more people into the new Populist GOP.

    SCOTUS will now be 6-3 or 5-4-1 for Populist programs that align with the actual meaning of the Constitution. There is every reason to believe Trump’s 2nd term will be much more productive than his first. Especially if the Durham investigation starts rolling high level Democrats on each other.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/10/11/h-1b-supporters-denounce-wage-boosting-regulations/

    (2) https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/16/robert-obrien-doubles-down-rapid-afghanistan-withd/

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: Bill
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  16. JR Ewing says:

    It’s not that they hate Trump. They hate his voters and think they are superior to them and embarrassed that they lost to “those rednecks” last time. It’s mostly just snobbery writ large, which is amplified by CNN and MSNBC aggressively pandering to it.

    But – all that being said – the ones I don’t understand are those who voted for Trump and now are like, “Well, Biden was OK so I’ll vote for him instead.” Elections are much more polarized now and there’s not a lot of overlap or shared values between candidates like there used to be. I don’t understand how these voters don’t see that.

  17. MBlanc46 says:
    @MarkU

    It’s conceivable that Trump could pull off another EC victory in an honest election. But his chances of beating the margin of fraud are slim.

  18. @Talha

    Wow – nearly 90%?! That is an incredible level on consensus to get on almost any political subject in a large group. Absolutely incredible.

    That’s what four years of non-stop, state-and-oligarch-sponsored hate, propaganda and disinformation will do. It’s a wonder there are any Americans who can still think straight.

    • Replies: @anon
  19. Trump is a loud effeminate eccentric who slathers on make up and dances around to gay disco music. Hatred of Trump often seems like socially sanctioned homophobia. It’s reminiscent of the way flamboyant gay men like Liberace, Elton John, Freddy Mercury and those hair metal bands in the 1980s were very popular in Middle America but despised by our intellectual elite.

    Another way to look at it is that more masculine dominated cultures don’t see flamboyant peacocking as a threat. Men putting on garish display is not unusual in Latino or Black culture. Our feminized elite European culture is designed to keep men gray and dull.

  20. @A123

    Trump is the first President in modern history who has not started a new foreign war.

    He also hasn’t ended any of our foreign wars, and tried to pick a fight with Iran but Iran wouldn’t bite.

    Trump has also increased military spending. If you give generals more toys, they will want to use them so Trump has, perhaps unwittingly, set us up for further disaster.

    So not sure how much credit to give Trump on that point.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    , @A123
  21. @Dumbo

    wouldn’t be better someone evil and incompetent than someone evil and competent?

    That was the lefty argument why it would be stupid to impeach Trump and end up with Pence as President.

  22. Talha says:
    @Mark G.

    Then she suddenly calmed down and said she usually tries not to talk about politics and religion

    That’s what Internet forums are for!!!

    Peace.

  23. Jay Fink says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    One of my disappointments with Trump is his love affair with Saudi Arabia. During the 2016 campaign he constantly criticized Hillary for being financed by Saudi. This made me think that Trump would be the least Saudi friendly President in modern history. Was I ever wrong.

    • Replies: @A123
  24. Jay Fink says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The trend I have seen is women becoming gray and dull, white women in particular. I have never seen women tone down their sexuality like this and become so plain. Although living in the Pacific Northwest might be biasing my perception.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  25. Sean says:
    @Curmudgeon

    In 2004, Bush did even better with whites than Trump. Lyndon B. Johnson is the only presidential candidate in living memory to take the white vote from the Republicans. And they ask what war is good for?

  26. nebulafox says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I can think of a lot of personal criticisms one can lob at Trump: graceless, shallow, vapid, self-absorbed, lazy and pathologically dishonest among them. But effeminate reflects your contempt overriding objective analysis: that’s more than a bit of a stretch. Certain historical “Great Men” (which I don’t think Trump is) did have a feminine streak in them-Alexander, Hitler-that often served them well, and gay men did sense and were fascinated with, even if they themselves weren’t gay. Trump doesn’t. He’s a 1960s Queens construction worker in a trust fund baby’s body, down to the big golden block letters with his name stamped everywhere.

    Note that flamboyance is not the same thing. Just look at any gold-laden rap star, which Trump wasn’t all that different from before becoming POTUS. Would you describe them as effeminate as they directly, literally state all the stuff they want to do, damn all persuasion?

  27. It just shows that Biden voters are mind-numbed robots and that more than a few Trump voters pity the old fool.

    The question is whether or not the Biden files get enough publicity to sour enough of Joe’s voters to make a difference. I suspect they’ll stick their fingers in their ears and shout “La la la la la!”

  28. iffen says:

    than those who want to vote against someone else are

    Isn’t there credible evidence in psychology that people prefer to issue punishment over giving rewards?

  29. Realist says:

    Voters who want to vote for someone…

    Those are the lesser of two evil voters.

  30. Realist says:
    @Sub

    I think that the Trump campaign would be wise to really hammer on the anti-white rhetoric…

    His handlers won’t allow it.

  31. There’s been a lot of talk of the “shy Tory” effect, but less on the “obnoxious liberal” affect whereby the liberally inclined feel not only comfortable but maybe even pressured to exaggerate their hatred of the right wing boogie man. I know a few people who will go on an anti-Trump rant if politics is brought up, but would I think their “hatred” of Trump would motivate them to do something that was even mildly inconvenient? I doubt it.

    Likewise, that part of liberals who are inflamed ideologues who truly hate and are very motivated to get back at Trump are certainly much less than 90%. This may partly be a flaw in wording, “upset” is a pretty mild term; my wife gets “upset” with me, but she never hates me.

  32. A123 says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    tried to pick a fight with Iran but Iran wouldn’t bite.

    ROTFLMAO

    Let me fix that for you:

    Sociopath Khameni tried to start a fight with the U.S. but Trump would not bite.

    The Iranian economy is collapsing and the failures theocracy is desperate to avoid responsibility for their actions. The Rial continues to plummet towards worthlessness: (1)

    The Iranian rial fell to a new low against the U.S. dollar on Sunday as a record daily death toll from COVID-19 compounded concerns over new U.S. sanctions which may block some of Iran’s medicine purchases.

    The dollar was selling for as much as 312,200 rials on the unofficial market, up from 304,300 on Saturday, according to the foreign exchange site Bonbast.com.

    PEACE 😇

  33. A123 says:
    @Jay Fink

    One of my disappointments with Trump is his love affair with Saudi Arabia.

    That is a bit of an over statement.

    There are a number of ways that the US-KSA relationship has made things better:

    -1- Barack Hussein’s profound incompetence left the region and the world with a violent Shia menace. Trump had to build a coalition to contain the horror of sociopath Khameni. Saudi Arabia is a logical, more or less necessary, part of any such global strategy.

    -2- The Saudis are more reliable as a partner than Turkey. The madness of Erdogan is a concern for everyone in the Middle East. Having the Saudis on board effectively blocks Erdogan’s ambition to absorb Iraq’s Sunni population.

    -3- Limiting funding and moral support to the violent Muslim Occupation of Judea and Samaria is a huge step forward. Now that it is clear that the Muslim Occupation is toothless, peace treaties with Palestine (a.k.a. Israel) are now being negotiated. The two that have been signed are only the beginning.

    -4- The Muslim religion needs serious reform. Long-term that will have to come from Mecca & Medina. Trying to coax the Saudis in the right direction might work. MbS is clearly better than his predecessors. However, it will take decades to see if Islam can be transformed from a Religion of Hate into a Religion of Peace.

    PEACE 😇

  34. Jimmy1969 says:

    Actually hate sells…and that is why most news outlets like it. Like Jews is News. A great joke from Germany, a man is drowning in the Rhine River and he starts yelling out down with the Jews…and all of a sudden swarms of Secret Police plough into the River and drag him out and demand to know why he is being so anti Semitic….and he said, well if I didn’t say something dramatic the people on the river bank would have let me drown.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  35. @Jay Fink

    The trend I have seen is women becoming gray and dull, white women in particular. I have never seen women tone down their sexuality like this and become so plain. Although living in the Pacific Northwest might be biasing my perception.

    Liberalism teaches the women that their sexual traits are mostly environmental in origin. If they desire a pink dress and the attention of men it is only because they were conditioned at a young age to want such things.

    But it gets even worse.

    In liberal areas it is basically a taboo for White people to enjoy themselves. White liberals are taught they have caused the worlds problems and live in a condition of guilt and submission.

    These White women have no idea that they are the modern Catholic church ladies. In their minds a quiet evening with NPR or a late night talk show with lame jokes about conservatives is the only form of acceptable entertainment. Too much pleasure is looked down upon as White hedonism and that could lead towards putting the self above the group.

    The amusing flip side to this is that they are naturally attracted to White men that are indifferent to liberalism. They simply aren’t sexually attracted to liberal men. It just isn’t in the female nature to be attracted to submissive men. If my wife left me I could go to a liberal area and pick up a woman in minutes. I have been around them and know how they think.

    I lived in a 99% liberal area and I found it to be soul crushing. It was for work so it was at least temporary. I’d much rather live in Mexico than with liberal Whites. Mexicans at least know how to enjoy themselves.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    , @dfordoom
  36. @Peter Akuleyev

    Trump is a loud effeminate eccentric who slathers on make up and dances around to gay disco music. Hatred of Trump often seems like socially sanctioned homophobia. It’s reminiscent of the way flamboyant gay men

    Trump is not effeminate, flamboyant or eccentric.

    I would describe him as personable.

    He actually has a personality compared to establishment approved politicians that have conformed to the system and ground out their natural social traits.

    But yes compared to the typical establishment cyborg like Biden he actually seems flamboyant.

    In any normal social function he would be another man, just more confident and outgoing than most.

  37. neutral says:

    Hating ones enemies is the perfectly natural reaction to have, is there any logical argument as to why one shouldn’t hate ones enemies?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  38. @neutral

    True. As I say, “It’s okay not to like somebody.” This has been made into a perceived crime now, but it is just an ordinary part of life.

  39. @anon

    Yes. Get ’em while their young.

  40. Jay Fink says:
    @John Johnson

    Yet pretty much all of Europe is more liberal (or downright Socialist) than the U.S and the people still like to have a good time and women still desire to dress nice and look good. American white liberals have mixed puritanism with their ideology yet seem completely unaware of it, probably because it doesn’t fit their self image.

    From my observations Mexican-Americans know how to enjoy themselves more than liberal whites (and Latinas still like to dress sexy) yet they are definitely a liberal voting group. I think this is because their voting is purely motivated by economic not cultural liberalism. Joining a antifa or BLM riot (or following politics and voting for that matter) is not their idea of fun.

    So I don’t think it’s liberalism in itself (not that I’m trying to defend liberalism) but some combination of liberalism and America’s cultural puritanism that makes American liberals so unpleasant. At it’s core I see Wokeness as a killjoy. This is a fairly recent phenomenon too. Liberals from 30+ years ago were a more fun group than they are today.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Mark G.
  41. Tony says:
    @Mark G.

    I hope you left her a lousy tip.

    • LOL: Mark G.
  42. Mark G. says:
    @Jay Fink

    So I don’t think it’s liberalism in itself (not that I’m trying to defend liberalism) but some combination of liberalism and America’s cultural puritanism that makes American liberals so unpleasant. At it’s core I see Wokeness as a killjoy.

    The drive to combat the COVID-19 epidemic by closing restaurants, bars, movie theaters, concerts and sporting events mostly comes from the left. This all involves young people going out and having fun and the left hates the idea of young people having fun. They claim this is being done for medical reasons but if they really thought young people gathering in groups was a problem they would have immediately cracked down on the BLM and Antifa protests. Instead, they did little to stop those. The left doesn’t want young people to focus on their personal lives and enjoy life. They want them to attend endless political protests where they get harangued by left wing speakers or sit at home where they are fed a steady diet of liberal approved propaganda from Facebook, Twitter, Google, Amazon, NPR, CNN, late night tv talk shows and so on. Big Brother doesn’t want Julia to put on her lipstick and then head out to a bar to meet Winston.

  43. Note to AE, Ron U., and anyone else who cares: My reply(s) above to “anon [161]” was (were) ONE REPLY.

    Somehow, this system did not indicate to me, at all, that my attempts to post a SINGLE reply had succeeded, and so I tried two more times. Now, some time later, I find that ALL of my attempts are now posted, making me look ridiculous.

    My ONE REPLY is now three.

    Thank you very much.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @res
  44. iffen says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It’s okay, Buzz, we feel your pain. We all feel ridiculous sometimes.

    Seriously, all the widgets here don’t work all the time. But what do I know, supposedly he made his fortune in coding.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  45. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    These White women have no idea that they are the modern Catholic church ladies. In their minds a quiet evening with NPR or a late night talk show with lame jokes about conservatives is the only form of acceptable entertainment. Too much pleasure is looked down upon as White hedonism and that could lead towards putting the self above the group.

    It’s feminism. American feminism has always been anti-fun. Because American feminism has its roots in Puritanism, and Puritans understand that if it feels good it’s wrong.

    American feminists have always hated the idea that somewhere out there there might be men enjoying themselves. But they also hate the idea of other women enjoying themselves.

    When feminism revived in the 1960s it attracted women who were mentally ill or too ugly to get boyfriends or too crazy to get boyfriends. It attracted women who were furious that there were women out there who were attractive to men and they were enraged by the existence of women who enjoyed having sex with men.

    You also have to remember that American Progressivism also had its roots in the same kind of puritanical Protestantism. What Progressives wanted to do more than anything else was to stop people from having fun.

    To a lesser extent this was true in Britain as well. 19th century social reformers wanted to stop working class people from having fun. They were particularly disturbed by the fact that many working class people were having sex.

    So it’s an Anglo thing, but the American variety is even more virulent. Progressives are also upset that some people choose to eat food that they enjoy. Which is just so wrong. Progressives inevitably became health Nazis. The exercise obsession is another legacy of Protestantism. It’s a form of self-flagellation.

    Progressives abandoned Christianity but they retained the Christian horror of fun.

  46. res says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I think most of us here have done that at least once. I certainly have.

    What works for me is when anything unusual happens after I submit a comment I open the associated post in a different tab/window. Usually I see the comment and I don’t need to post it again. Occasionally I don’t see the comment and need to repost.

    It also helps to do a quick Ctrl-A Ctrl-C before posting in case the software eats your comment.

    P.S. An exception to this is there seems to be bug where sometimes the first comment (s?) to a thread doesn’t display. So if there are NO comments showing after I post I usually wait until some are visible before deciding whether to repost.

  47. Talha says:

    Very interesting poll:

    Peace.

  48. Curle says:
    @Mark G.

    I’ve met these women before. Right after the OJ verdict the Colombians were certain to be caught ASAP, no doubt about it.

  49. Curle says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Stopped the highly selective counting is more accurate.

  50. @Curmudgeon

    No. First, the Supreme Court did not stop the count, it stopped a recount. Second, the recounts were finished, I believe multiple times by different groups. Check the Wikipedia article on that situation.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  51. @Achmed E. Newman

    You’ve got me all confused because Sundance at the Conservative Treehouse blog keeps talking about “the Big Ugly”.

    I wish ALL the ugliness would drop right now. If voters had a magic transparency ball they could look into, I’m pretty sure the net effect of seeing Democrat and Republican lies and corruption together would be a win for Republicans, and in the long-term a win for third parties, independents, and real conservatives.

  52. @Chrisnonymous

    In my book, until there is acceptance by all parties of the count, which includes recounts, they are still counting. The Supreme Court declared Bush the winner, which was still in dispute by the Democrats.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Chrisnonymous
  53. A123 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    In my book, until there is acceptance by all parties of the count, which includes recounts, they are still counting. The Supreme Court declared Bush the winner, which was still in dispute by the Democrats.

    Federal lambasted sets certain inviolable dates that effectively require counting to be completed or abandonded. For 2020 the key dates are: (1)

    Federal law requires that electors meet in their respective states and formally send their vote to Congress on “the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December.” This year that date is Dec. 14.

    Under U.S. law, Congress will generally consider a state’s result to be “conclusive” if it is finalized six days before the electors meet. This date, known as the “safe harbor” deadline, falls on Dec. 8 this year.

    I suppose that you can use acceptance by all parties as your personal standard. However, you will need to spend a huge amount of time explaining the value of “no impact counting” that by law cannot change the results. It seems more like theatre than a practical stance.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
  54. A123 says:
    @A123

    Federal lambasted sets

    I have no idea how auto correct manged that….. It should have read “federal law sets“.

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    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  55. Richard B says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    He governs like Jeb Bush with an aggressive Twitter account.

    One of the best setences on Trump I’ve come across in a long time.

    And yeah, he’s going to lose. Then again, if all that was standing between We The People and their freedoms was a billionaire chubster who tweets too much, they never stood a chance in the first place. It was always just a matter of time. And that time is now.

  56. @Richard B

    And yeah, he’s going to lose.

    According to Politico as quoted elsewhere, it’s gonna be Trumpslide 2020!

    https://www.toptradeguru.com/news/dems-in-absolute-panic-as-early-data-shatters-narrative-in-key-states/

  57. @Richard B

    And yeah, he’s going to lose.

    According to Politico as quoted elsewhere, it’s gonna be Trumpslide 2020!

    https://www.toptradeguru.com/news/dems-in-absolute-panic-as-early-data-shatters-narrative-in-key-states/

  58. @Richard B

    And yeah, he’s going to lose.

    According to Politico as quoted elsewhere, it’s gonna be Trumpslide 2020!

    https://www.toptradeguru.com/news/dems-in-absolute-panic-as-early-data-shatters-narrative-in-key-states/

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  59. @Curmudgeon

    That’s a pretty stupid perspective.

  60. @Mr. Rational

    Sorry for the multi-post.  Damned thing gave me errors, and then denied me the edit-delete option too.

    Unz, you got some ‘splainin’ to do.

  61. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    “It will be directed at white people in general; we are in for a rough ride and I question whether whites have the organization and the willpower to mount an effective resistance.”

    No, just certain white people. Indeed, there will be major challenges ahead. But we whites will continue to organize as how we deem fit, and have the willpower and the intellectual horsepower to make our own decisions that, to you personally, seem counter-productive.

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