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Rates of household gun ownership, by partisan affiliation, over time. Note the displayed range of the y-axis being 50 points in total, from 20% to 70%:

That gun protections are the one battlefield in the culture war the right has largely won on is made even more impressive by the fact that gun ownership rates among non-Republicans have been steadily falling over the last three decades. A generation ago, gun grabbing would’ve ticked off a lot Democrats. Today it doesn’t. Yet still the second amendment remains the most resilient member of the bill of rights (nobody cares about the third).

It’s nice to know we retain our last line of defense. Now if we could work on maintaining lines nearer the front so molon labe can remain an ideological rallying cry rather than a literal challenge to state authorities the seriousness of which will be tested, that’d be swell!

GSS variables used: OWNGUN(1-2), YEAR, PARTYID(0-1)(2-4)(5-6)

 
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  1. nobody cares about the third

    Yet.

    Schools of education are discussing the utility of planting their graduates in ghetto homes so the little ‘uns can be exposed to highfalutin words. That brushes against the Third Amendment.

  2. El Dato says:

    Gun Ownership by Party Over Time

    I was expecting something about those “Rapper Parties” where shots ring out at closing time.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  3. @El Dato

    It depends what you mean by “ownership” in that case, as most of those guns used are stolen anyway.

  4. Nodwink says:

    It’s nice to know we retain our last line of defense.

    If you are talking about defending yourself against government tyranny, forget about it. In the era of drones, guns are just a toy.

    • Replies: @another anon
    , @MarkinPNW
  5. Two things:

    1) There are lots of people who would never tell a pollster that they have any guns. I couldn’t blame them, the way things are going. These guys may be labeled Independent.

    2) As I recall, sentiment of Democrats and even plenty of Republicans was for gun control back in the 60s and 70s (OK, I don’t recall it all personally but from reading about it). That’s how some of the worst of it got passed. Things turned around by the early 1990s for the better.

    You are quite right that this is on issue in which the ctrl-left has not had its way yet. I felt the 2nd Amendment in my bones at Richmond, Virginia past Monday. The way past this for the left is simply to continue the flood of immigration. The NRA people I think finally get this. They won’t say anything though, and will put as many “ethnic” gun owners pictures in the magazine as they can.

    • Agree: Hail
  6. @Nodwink

    Drones are not necessary, but make the whole thing easier.

    If you are serious about “fighting the ZOG” you need much better equipment than you can buy in your local gun shop. Is NRA fighting for right to own and carry ATGM and SAM?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

    This was because General Norman Schwarzkopf accepted the request of an Iraqi general to fly helicopters, including armed gunships, to transport government officials because of destroyed transport infrastructure, acting without Pentagon or White House instructions; almost immediately, the Iraqis began using the helicopters as gunships to put down the uprisings.[23] The outgunned rebels had few heavy weapons and few surface-to-air missiles, which made them almost defenseless against helicopter gunships and indiscriminate artillery barrages when the Ba’athists responded to the uprisings with crushing force. According to Human Rights Watch, “in their attempts to retake cities, and after consolidating control, loyalist forces killed thousands of anyone who opposes them whether a rebel or a civilian by firing indiscriminately into the opposing areas; executing them on the streets, in homes and in hospitals; rounding up suspects, especially young men, during house-to-house searches, and arresting them with or without charge or shooting them en masse; and using helicopters to attack those who try to flee the cities.”[24]

    The death toll was high throughout the country. The rebels killed many Ba’athist officials and officers. In response, thousands of unarmed civilians were killed by indiscriminate fire from loyalist tanks, artillery and helicopters, and many historical and religious structures in the south were deliberately targeted under orders from Saddam Hussein.[14] Saddam’s security forces entered the cities, often using women and children as human shields, where they detained and summarily executed or “disappeared” thousands of people at random in a policy of collective responsibility. Many suspects were tortured, raped, or burned alive.[30]
    Many of the people killed were buried in mass graves.[14] Mass burial sites containing thousands of bodies have been uncovered since the fall of Saddam Hussein in April 2003.[31] Of the 200 mass graves the Iraqi Human Rights Ministry had registered between 2003-2006, the majority were in the South, including one believed to hold as many as 10,000 victims.[32]

    And many, many more current examples from all over the world where citizens tried to excercise their second amendment rights against professional forces with artillery and air forces.
    Hadn’t ended well.

    • Replies: @indocon
    , @anarchyst
    , @anaccount
  7. That gun protections are the one battlefield in the culture war the right has largely won

    Yes, you won the right to fill your houses with tons of expensive ironmongery.

    Why right to keep and bear arms won?
    Because there is big money to be made selling guns. There is whole industry that supports and finances your fight. Follow the $$$.
    What big business would profit from banning abortion or gay marriage? None.

    • Replies: @HenryA
  8. Funny, but at first glance, I read that as, “Gun Ownership Party Over.”

    • Replies: @iffen
  9. iffen says:
    @The Alarmist

    I thought his Butterfly Market was going to be about how the Chinese eat butterflies and that would be the suspected origin of the coronavirus.

  10. indocon says:
    @another anon

    “And many, many more current examples from all over the world where citizens tried to excercise their second amendment rights against professional forces with artillery and air forces.
    Hadn’t ended well.”

    Rarely in any of those cases the professional forces and the fighters were from the same families and tribes.

  11. anarchyst says:

    One favored method for mass disarmament of a citizenry is to make high-profile arrests of those who are vocal about their firearms “rights”.

    Another way is to enlist the “help” of the communist “mainstream media” to demonize anyone who has an interest in firearms, allowing the media to be present at “raids” and in general use “loaded” terms such as “arsenals”, “weapons of mass-destruction”, “weapons of war”, “machine guns” and other sensational terms, to inflame the non-knowledgeable public, introducing them to their “unstable” neighbors who are being (illegally and unconstitutionally) raided.

    It’s all about perception, which the left uses to good effect, utilizing tactics from jew communist Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals. The “mainstream media has always been dishonest and against firearms rights.

    High-profile raids will push the firearms owning public underground. Those who choose to “fight back” will be regarded as “terrorists” and “enemies of the state and good order” by the mainstream media, who will fan the flames of hysteria, attempting to get the general public on their side—supporting mass disarmament. If and when they are murdered by “law enforcement” very little, if anything, will be mentioned about the illegality of these “raids”.

    All one has to do is look at how firearms owners are treated presently by the mainstream media-looked upon as “pariahs” and other unstable types.

    The “key” to resistance may be to “cache” your firearms, leaving a few firearms accessible both for protection and as “bait” to “feed” the gun-grabbers if and when the raids come.

    The left is expert at using “incrementalism”, chipping away at rights a little-bit at a time. From arbitrary classification of firearms, declaring certain “features” illegal, to specifying barrel lengths, magazine capacity, to outright banning the production and ownership of newly-manufactured machine guns, the left has been busy.

    There are no easy answers to the situation we are presently in, but surrendering one’s rights is never the answer.

    A good read, “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross, about our present situation and possible “solutions” was written in 1995 and is still available in print and as a free pdf. This book is a good reference, history lesson, and comes up with possible solutions to the assault on our freedom.
    This book was considered so volatile when it first came out that sellers were routinely harassed by FBI, ATF, and DEA types for displaying and selling it.

    To quote Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn:

    And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt . . .
    — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

    • Replies: @another anon
  12. (nobody cares about the third)

    You’ll be singing a different tune when the troops show up at your house and start picking out bedrooms!

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  13. anarchyst says:
    @another anon

    Your statement: “If you are serious about “fighting the ZOG” you need much better equipment than you can buy in your local gun shop.”
    …is demonstrably false.

    Low intensity warfare, “gumming up the works”, making public officials, police and military “grow eyes in the backs of their heads” are ways to conduct “low intensity warfare”, making life difficult for the enemy.

    Even MRAPS and other armored vehicles can be disabled using low-tech means. This makes them into excellent “human barbecues”.

    Going directly against drones, helicopters and other aircraft directly is suicidal, but there are many other ways…that I will not discuss.

    Remember, “knowledge is power”.

    Regards,

  14. anarchyst says:
    @Cloudbuster

    Such a Third Amendment case took place recently in Las Vegas. Police wanted to conduct surveillance on a suspect and commandeered a neighbor’s house to do so without permission from the homeowner. The case is in the court system…

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  15. MarkinPNW says:
    @Nodwink

    Yup, they sure are trying to rein in hobby drones, to keep us little guys from being able to have and use this technology too. The FAA has a new proposed ruling out, that would put very strict controls on most hobby drones.

  16. @anarchyst

    Still, despite the wily communist plan, the citizenry manages to get more and more guns in record numbers.
    If guns bring freedom, America is twice as much free than 20 years ago and getting more and more free every day.

    Maybe there never was any “communist plan”, there is only capitalist plan to make you spend all your money on overpriced pieces of iron and feel like heroic rebels fighting against communism while doing so.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  17. Thomm says:

    My prized possession is my Desert Eagle. Painted gold, it is a sight to behold.

    That said, I only own that one firearm. I never go hunting or anything.

    There is no practical reason to own more than three. Being a ‘collector’ is usually phony.

    • Replies: @another anon
  18. @Thomm

    Nothing wrong with collecting guns, if you can afford it. There are many much worse ways to spend your money.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Bernstein

    Everything is wrong with delusionary beliefs that you with your gun collection are going to overthrow the gubmint. Rambo and Red Dawn are not documentaries.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  19. HenryA says:
    @another anon

    The firearms industry is quite small compared to others and doesn’t have that much money to throw around. Sturm Ruger is probably the largest firearms company is the nation today and it has much less than one billion dollars in market capital. The notion than the NRA is backed by the big bucks of the gun industry is a lie that has been spread by anti-gun groups for years. The strength of the NRA comes its five million dues paying members.

    As for abortion and gay marriage, the are trillions of dollars of woke capital backing those causes.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  20. Thomm says:
    @another anon

    Everything is wrong with delusionary beliefs that you with your gun collection are going to overthrow the gubmint. Rambo and Red Dawn are not documentaries.

    Well, yes. They have planes, tanks, and more. How will such a ‘Sovereign Citizen’ account for a Cruise Missile?

    Even if you see an individual trooper before your defeat, they have body armor that civilians cannot easily buy.

    The Dragon Man, interestingly, still seems to have a Brooklyn accent, even if he is now in Colorado.

  21. “That gun protections are the one battlefield in the culture war the right has largely won on”

    true, but that was in part due to decades of single issue campaigns by NRA and other similar organizations. NRA leadership is in decline now, so the winning on 2A may be the thing of the past soon, regardless of demographics. they didn’t even SAY anything about Virginia, let alone not show up at all. i can tell you among the serious gun guys, there’s a civil war about whether to jump ship on NRA and stop giving them money anymore.

    “A generation ago, gun grabbing would’ve ticked off a lot Democrats. Today it doesn’t.”

    it still bothers the “Democrat, but don’t touch my guns” guys. but they’re becoming less and less, as you point out. a combination of them either dying off and being replaced by vibrant Democrats, or slowly switching to Republican, a few percent of them per election cycle.

    who was the ultimate example of this? Hunter Thompson?

  22. anaccount says:
    @another anon

    I think you have a point but it seems the Iraqis and even Afghanis have done pretty well with old AK74’s and artillery shells. Hezbollah did largely the same in the late 90’s (against ZOG proper). I will grant you that Hezbollah’s use of ATGM’s in 2006 was decisive.

    But given the way America’s military struggles with inbred sand people I’m not sure if it’s domestic security forces can be expected to do much better here. I guess we’ll have to see.

  23. prosa123 says:

    Democrats are more likely than Republicans to live in urban areas, where gun ownership rates always are lower.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  24. And yet, the Taliban hasn’t given up, the IRA wasn’t defeated, Fidel won. Muslim resistance continues in the Phillipines in spite of aircraft bombing.

    Homemade cruise missiles?
    http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/cruise.shtml

    Will neighboring states supply weapons to a Virgina resistance? That would be a big hoot, wouldn’t it, AA?

    I am reminded of a US soldier in Iraq in 2003 shortly after the invasion on the TV news (NBC?) on the anti-US activity; he said: “We would be doing the same thing, ONLY BETTER.”

    Or as they said in this movie: “Now we’re fighting school teachers.”

    And in America, you can add engineers, scientists, math people, cops, current & ex-soldiers, chemists… Hell, one of Charles DeGaulle’s attempted assassins was the designer of the SS-11 wire-guided missile. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Bastien-Thiry )

  25. >It’s nice to know we retain our last line of defense.

    A lot of people say stuff like this but I have to wonder what they have in mind. What line is going to get crossed that will make it “okay” to finally use the guns?

    • Replies: @Nodwink
  26. In 1940, 75 years ago, the British stood alone against Hitler’s war machine. From May 27 through June 4, the British evacuated more than 300,000 troops from France in the face of the advancing German Blitzkreig. It was called the “Miracle of Dunkirk,” but while the soliders were able to fight another day, they left much of the equipment—especially arms—on the beach. The American Committee for the Defense of British Homes ran this notice in the November 1940 American Rifleman.

    Due to policies of civilian disarmament, the British people were stripped of their guns by their own government policies, arms needed to defend themselves against potential Nazi invasion. Individual American responded to the call, but most of the guns were never returned. One rifle, however, due to reasons that you can read in this article, did indeed come back to the United States.

    https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/5/28/throwback-thursday-send-a-gun-to-defend-a-british-home/

  27. @prosa123

    That reminds of Democrat ex-Chicago cop Ed Burke and now alderman who once ran a campaign ad on television that said: “He led the fight against handguns in Chicago.”

    It’s still not known if the guns that were found in November were discovered at Burke’s ward office or at City Hall, but it’s hard to miss the irony of a staunch gun control advocate having to turn over 23 guns as a condition of his bond.

  28. Gun rights isn’t really a right wing issue, its a libertarian issue, like free speech, free trade or low taxes. Generally speaking, the mainstream right in the US is pretty good at supporting libertarian and neoliberal issues, but has little or no interest in promoting nationalist, populist or traditionalist causes. That’s why Trump’s aggressive use of tariffs is probably the most revolutionary event in US politics over the last century. It shows that a small rag tag group of economic nationalists (Peter Navarro, Steve Bannon etc) has managed to push its unfashionable agenda over one of the two most powerful sides in US politics.

  29. @anarchyst

    It’s not that nobody cares about the third, it is just that the third is the one right that government has not violated or restricted wholesale.

    It highlights the oddity of setting up a Bill of Rights that is an explicit limitation on government — and then allowing a branch of government to adjudicate those violations. Fox guarding the henhouse.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  30. @Cloudbuster

    “It highlights the oddity of setting up a Bill of Rights that is an explicit limitation on government — and then allowing a branch of government to adjudicate those violations. Fox guarding the henhouse.”

    In Illinois, the Gun Controller ALWAYS wins in Court.

    Why?

    See that corrupt Democrat Chicago gun controller Ald. Ed Burke?

    Anne Marie Burke (née McGlone; born February 3, 1944[1]) is the Illinois Supreme Court Chief Justice.[2] Burke had previously been appointed to the Illinois Appellate Court in 1995 and was elected to that seat in 1996. Burke was a founder of the Special Olympics in 1968. She is married to Chicago Alderman Edward M. Burke from the 14th Ward.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_M._Burke

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
  31. SteveK9 says:

    Is the recent divergence between Independents and Democrats of long enough duration to be considered ‘real’. There is quite a difference in the most recent measure … ~24% vs ~36%. Cause?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  32. @SteveK9

    Democrat divergence from independents (and Republicans) is pronounced on a whole host of things starting around 2012. The Great Awokening influences gun ownership rates, too?

  33. Nodwink says:
    @Not My Economy

    I don’t think that line will ever be crossed.

    This is why I don’t have much respect for America’s hardcore gun supporters. A weapon is only a weapon if you are prepared to use it, and the Establishment has worked out that the Infowars types who yap on about ‘the blood of tyrants refreshing the liberty tree’ aren’t serious.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  34. anarchyst says:

    America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. On the road to tyranny, we’ve gone so far that polite political action is about as useless as a miniskirt in a convent. … Something’s eventually going to happen. Government will bloat until it chokes us to death, or one more tyrannical power grab will turn out to be one too many. … Maybe it’ll be one more round of “reasonable gun control” or one more episode of burning children to death to save them from “child abuse.” Whatever, something will snap.

    Claire Wolfe

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  35. @HenryA

    Ran out of [AGREE]s already this morning!

    It’s time for Steve Lee:

    • Thanks: Joe Stalin
  36. @anarchyst

    Hah! I ran out of [Thanks] too, Anarchyst. Keep in mind that Claire Wolfe wrote that something like 2 decades ago. What stage are we in now?

    Since I meant to write all this yesterday, I’ll now mention the former Las Vegas Review Journal columnist Vin Suprynowicz* whose weekly columns I used to keep up with. As I read this “‘screening’ is not part of any Police State” crap from young commenters who wouldn’t understand freedom if it came up and bit them on their asses, I think of Mr. Suprynowicz.

    Vin Suprynowicz would note how in his younger days, Americans would boo or hiss (I think the latter is a California thing?) at scenes in the movies in which the Nazis would ask for “papiere, bitte!” or “papers please”, feeling smug that this was such a big difference being in 1950s, hell, even early 1980s, America. We didn’t have to carry these papers to travel wherever we liked or simply walk down the street. My, have people fogotten!

    Mr. Suprynowicz is still doing fine, per his own website and still writing, just not on the LVRJ. Peak Stupidity remembers some of his great Libertarian writing in “Papiere bitte!” – “Your papers, please!” and memories of Mr. Vin Suprynowicz, —- “Papiere bitte!” – “Your papers, please!” – Part 2, and “Papiere bitte!” – “Your papers, please!” – Stories from the real deal.

    BTW, Vin Suprynowicz is one of the not-so-common Libertarians who early on “got” the illegal alien/immigration problem. Perhaps due to living on one of the front lines of the invasion, Las Vegas, he could see that these newcomers were not your Suprynowicz-reading, much less -understanding Constitutionalists that we need more of. From his early ’00s columns to about the 2nd half of that decade he’d gone from ignoring to mentioning the problem.

    .

    * I have to ctrl-C/ctrl-V his name EVERY SINGLE TIME!

    • Replies: @another anon
  37. @Nodwink

    … and the Establishment has worked out that the Infowars types who yap on about ‘the blood of tyrants refreshing the liberty tree’ aren’t serious.

    Uh, yeah, perhaps the types that have a line drawn in their heads are not the ones commenting on Infowars about it.

  38. @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr. Suprynowicz is still doing fine, per his own website and still writing, just not on the LVRJ. Peak Stupidity remembers some of his great Libertarian writing in “Papiere bitte!” – “Your papers, please!” and memories of Mr. Vin Suprynowicz, —- “Papiere bitte!” – “Your papers, please!” – Part 2, and “Papiere bitte!” – “Your papers, please!” – Stories from the real deal.

    BTW, Vin Suprynowicz is one of the not-so-common Libertarians who early on “got” the illegal alien/immigration problem.

    Well, how this genius proposes to find and deport illegal immigrants when no one have any papers?
    You do not have to answer, I know. Just round up everyone who looks Mexican without any bureaucratic delays – do I guess right?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  39. @another anon

    See, Mr. Another Anon, back in the day one didn’t have to be any kind of genius to have a basic understanding of how Constitutional rights work. Even people with a high school education had been schooled in some of this stuff.

    Unless you being put under arrest or searched per a warrant specifying a good reason, the idea is that people (such as at the airport) could NOT be searched or asked for their papers. OK, they could be asked, but were not required to answer. Now, upon being arrested, any such illegal alien would be found out due to not being a resident of one of the States. Simple.

    No rounding up is required. I will say that one of the very few things I’m at odds with, with Ron Paul is eVerify. I don’t think it’s truly Constitutional. However, once Amendment XVI on the income tax was put into the place the government now had a reason (not a right) to know where every American works. One might as well use this information to not only apprehend illegal alien employees but fine the living daylights out of employers based on this info. The cash economy will do what it’s always done, God bless it, but then again, when one arrest or even series of parking tickets will result in deportation, most sensible illegal aliens will go home under their own power.

    No, you guessed wrong. It’s not rocket surgery, man.

  40. laughing.

    I just don’t see a trend in which the right to bear arms is going to be signficantly challenged such that people will lose the right —

    The second amendment is pretty clear. no abridging

    own tank, but you will be held responsible and accountable for its use. I found this discussion and date sets interesting.

    https://zachmortensen.net/2013/01/10/gun-control-four-must-see-graphs/

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