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This sloppiness creates a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach:

These two results obviously cannot simultaneously be accurate, yet they are being reported in the same exit poll with an identical sample.

Salt in hand, we soldier on. Interestingly, Republicans express more confidence in the integrity of the vote count than Democrats do:

When things don’t go their way, voters will find fault whatever party they’re from. Baseline trust is lower for Democrats, though, and even the 2020 presidential election and subsequent fallout from it hasn’t been enough to reorder that.

A majority of Georgia voters think abortion should be legal. The Bible Belt has broken.

The GOP’s relatively strong showing among Hispanics in November does not appear to have been a fluke. The Georgia exit poll shows Democrats winning them by a modest margin, 52%-43%.

About the broken Bible Belt, 1-in-14 Georgian voters are LGBTQ.

The ultra rich are firmly Democrat. Even in this southern state, Democrats beat Republicans 60%-39% among those earning more than $200,000 a year. Republicans won those earning between $50,000 and $200,000. Democrats won those making less than $50,000 annually. The top and the bottom against the middle, part CXXVIII.

Will the Biden administration double down on the Covid lockdowns or will it ride the vaccine and seasonality waves into the Spring, claiming victory and coming home by summer? The former is more likely:

Chin up, conservatives. The dollar is getting clobbered by the yuan, down 10% since May with nothing but air below. Commodity prices, real and virtual, are spiking. The consumer price increases that must come are coming. And the Democrats get to own it all. The country, you ask? Terminal. A different electoral outcome here wouldn’t have changed that. No electoral outcome can and no electoral outcome will.

 
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  1. The exit poll does not ask “what is most important to your vote” in an open way. Rather it only gives five choices: race, covid, economy, crime, health. Not included are any number of other things like: A. Ending the endless wars/Middle East foreign policy (read War Inc./Israel First/Jewish Power), or B. Mass media censorship/constitutional threats (read Jewish domination of media)…

    NOT that Georgians are ready to express such un-Zionist concerns. But for god’s sake, IF truth and revelation are the goal, let the voter answer as they wish. Then the pollster can collate the top five concerns.

  2. indocon says:

    AE, your previous point about Georgia being the first state to be captured by Democrats while it’s white population is still very significantly Republican is going to be a very interesting unfolding story going forward. Every other similar state, e.g. CA in past, VA/CO recently, has white population that is 50:50, unlike GA which was 75:25. I think this is a very combustible story going forward.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Peter Gent
  3. iffen says:
    @indocon

    Georgia Demographics
    According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Georgia was:

    White: 59.04%
    Black or African American: 31.46%
    Asian: 3.91%
    Other race: 2.75%
    Two or more races: 2.45%
    Native American: 0.33%
    Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.06%

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/georgia-population

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
  4. All this demonstrates is that US Military veterans should be denied the right to vote. Finish the transition to Ottoman Janissaries, already.

    • Replies: @Bill
  5. These two results obviously cannot simultaneously be accurate, yet they are being reported in the same exit poll with an identical sample.

    Good catch.

    C-students would occasionally reach implausible results during homework, such as that of a diesel locomotive running on less power than an electric toothbrush. “That’s what my calculator says,” they would object when scored.

    Anyone can make a mistake, of course—especially C-students who report exit polls for CNN.

  6. Off topic – further to my comment of yesterday on iSteve, Drs Wodarg (a name straight out of Tolkein) and Yeadon are petitioning the European Medicines Agency to suspend pretty much all Covid vaccine testing/rollout until more tests, including animal tests, are carried out.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/487135032/Wodarg-Yeadon-EMA-Petition-Pfizer-Trial-FINAL-01DEC2020-en-Unsigned-With-Exhibits

    Key paras from an uninformed perspective

    IX. There are some concerning issues with the trial designs, spelled out by Dr. Peter Doshi in the British Medical Journal. Dr. Doshi focuses on the two biggest issues. First, none of the leading vaccine candidate trials is designed to test if the vaccine can reduce severe COVID-19 symptoms, defined as: hospital admissions, ICU or death. And, second, the trials are not designed to test if the vaccine can interrupt transmission (https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/371/bmj.m4037.full.pdf). If neither of these conditions is met, the vaccine in essence performs like a therapeutic drug, except a vaccine would be taken prophylactically, even by the perfectly healthy, and more than likely carries a higher risk of injury than a therapeutic drug. If this were to be true, then therapeutic drugs would be superior to any COVID vaccine.

    X. In the Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA vaccine candidate, polyethylene glycol (PEG) is found in the fatty lipid nanoparticle coating around the mRNA. Seventy percent of people make antibodies to PEG and most do not know it, creating a concerning situation where many could have allergic, potentially deadly, reactions to a PEG-containing vaccine. PEG antibodies may also reduce vaccine effectiveness. Pfizer/BioNTech is also inserting an ingredient derived from a marine invertebrate, mNeonGreen, into its vaccine. The ingredient has bioluminescent qualities, making it attractive for medical imaging purposes, but it is unclear why an injected vaccine would need to have that quality. mNeonGreen has unknown antigenicity.

    XI. Several vaccine candidates are expected to induce the formation of humoral antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. Syncytin-1 (see Gallaher, B., “Response to nCoV2019 Against Backdrop of Endogenous Retroviruses” – http://virological.org/t/response-to-ncov2019- against-backdrop-of-endogenous-retroviruses/396), which is derived from human endogenous retroviruses (HERV) and is responsible for the development of a placenta in mammals and humans and is therefore an essential prerequisite for a successful pregnancy, is also found in homologous form in the spike proteins of SARS viruses. There is no indication whether antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1 antibodies. However, if this were to be the case this would then also prevent the formation of a placenta which would result in vaccinated women essentially becoming infertile. To my knowledge, Pfizer/BioNTech has yet to release any samples of written materials provided to patients, so it is unclear what, if any, information regarding (potential) fertility-specific risks caused by antibodies is included. According to section 10.4.2 of the Pfizer/BioNTech trial protocol, a woman of childbearing potential (WOCBP) is eligible to participate if she is not pregnant or breastfeeding, and is using an acceptable contraceptive method as described in the trial protocol during the intervention period (for a minimum of 28 days after the last dose of study intervention). This means that it could take a relatively long time before a noticeable number of cases of postvaccination infertility could be observed.

    Management Summary of para XI – “the covid protein spike against which vaccines are targeted is very similar to Syncytin-1, which plays a key role in very early pregnancy and placental development“.

    Not trying to create a panic here, but Knowledge Is Good, as Steve Sailer has so often pointed out.

    My immediate thought is that if there is a fertility risk, would Israel be vaccinating all their medical staff, of whom I assume a reasonable portion are young, high-IQ and female? Indeed they seem almost over-enthusiastic.

    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/coronavirus/1608651064-israel-medical-staff-member-receives-undiluted-vial-of-covid-19-vaccine

    My second thought is that if there is a fertility risk from producing antibodies to the covid protein spike, surely the risk will be there even without a vaccine, as young fertile women who get covid will presumably produce antibodies?

    My third thought is that if you wanted to make a fertility-depressing biological weapon, something like this would be just the ticket. Is that why China reacted so strongly in Jan/Feb/March?

    And my final thought is that (ignoring thought #2) it would be really ironic, worthy of a John Wyndham apocalyptic novel, if in order to save grandpa we sterilised his grandchildren.

  7. Realist says:

    The fact that this country elected Biden, Warnock, McConnell, Trump, and all the other goddamn losers over the decades, tells you all you need to know about the future of America…there is none.

  8. I knew the Bible Belt was broken a couple years back when I passed a billboard advertising a sex shop on I-75 in southern Georgia.

  9. @V. K. Ovelund

    Nice gem hidden there … let’s start calling our less than average students ‘CNN-Students.’

    • Replies: @Neuday
  10. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:

    The Republican party has super rinol jerks like Paul Ryan, who comes out and publicly claims that the presidential election was legitimate. No it was not. The evidence is massive and the leftist judges including morons like Paul Ryan simply refuse to look at the evidence.

  11. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Trump is not a loser. Trump was elected by tens of millions of people who were sick and tired of the corrupt, long time status quo that never gets anything substantial done for American citizens. People who continue to elect the same long time swamp politicians, the lawyers, the politicians, ARE THE LOSERS. They do the same thing over and over and expect a different result. This is the definition of insantiy.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Realist
  12. GeraldB says:

    Why do you think the two results cannot simultaneously be accurate? Noodle around with the numbers a bit, convert all those percentages to vote counts, and you will see that there is no reason they can’t both be accurate. If you still can’t figure it out, go to your favorite search engine and look up “Simpson’s Paradox.”

    On the other hand, when I worked in Broadcasting my boss used to say that the Television industry exists so that C students can have jobs.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  13. fnn says:
    @iffen

    But only 51% non-Hispanic White. The Hispanics in Georgia are Mexicans and Central Americans, not Cubans and Venezuelans.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Georgia_(U.S._state)#2019_United_States_Census_American_Community_Survey_estimates

    If Hispanics are treated as a separate category from race, Georgia’s population was 51.8% White, 31.5% Black or African American, 9.8% Hispanic-Latino, 4.1% Asian, 2.1% Some Other Race, 0.2% Native American and Alaskan Native, 0.1% Pacific Islander and 2.1% from two or more races.

    • Replies: @indocon
  14. A different electoral outcome here wouldn’t have changed that. No electoral outcome can and no electoral outcome will.

    YES

    Nothing good can come from the District of Corruption. Can we finally forget about DC and Democrats and Republicans and get on with the only way forward?

    STOP THE HATE
    SEPARATE

  15. fnn says:

    Georgia GOP worshipped the GDP God and the donor’s cash. They got runaway population importation of unassimilable groups both non-white and white who made Georgia a non-Southern and Democrat state.

  16. GOP welcomed mass immigration and Diversity. It betrayed Trump.

    It sucks up to anti-white Jews.

    Also, could the Party of Lincoln well-serve the White South?

    GOP is useless.

  17. JR Ewing says:
    @Realist

    Don’t take this as a disagreement or as a rebuttal, because I do mostly agree here, but I’ll also add that it says a lot about our political system and press that the good candidates – the “good guys” – are too scared to run because they don’t want their lives ruined.

    There’s a good case to be made that the only people skilled at politics are narcissists and grifters, which is why we end up where we are. And the higher up the chain you get, the more pronounced it becomes. There are lots of good leaders are the local levels outside of big cities.

    That said, it wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t have the level of power that they did. I wouldn’t care if Romney or Warnock or Schumer or McCain had the power they have if there was less of it. But we’ve given up our liberty and our autonomy over the years to where now they have an outsized influence.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
    , @Bill
  18. Wyatt says:
    @JR Ewing

    That said, it wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t have the level of power that they did. I wouldn’t care if Romney or Warnock or Schumer or McCain had the power they have if there was less of it. But we’ve given up our liberty and our autonomy over the years to where now they have an outsized influence.

    This is why the Constitutional is irredeemably flawed. It did not prevent this situation from arising because the founders assumed that rational, reasonable people would triumph in the political sphere. As well, they didn’t imagine universal suffrage. A better founding document would have explicitly codified what Jefferson and co. believed would just be true: that only property owning white men could vote, that there would be no permanent standing army, that states would have outstanding influence in politics and America would not be this racial cesspit hellbent on running the country into the ground over tribal politics.

    They had no way of knowing, but I still fault them for not being excessively precautious. It cannot hurt to retard proof something because for every slightly above average man, there are at least three tards ready to fuck him over. Hopefully, whatever follows understands how necessary it is to restrict the powers of government to an actual, effective degree.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Mark G.
  19. A123 says:

    Commodity prices, real and virtual, are spiking. The consumer price increases that must come are coming. And the Democrats get to own it all.

    Trump’s plan for U.S. reindustrialization helps fight this problem by linking USD commodity production with USD commodity consumption. The U.S. is either hydrocarbon neutral or a net exporter so energy prices will remain constrained.

    If Quid Pro Joe takes steals office, he will faithfully serve the CCP Elites who bought him. Shipping jobs to China will make things much worse. The CCP/DNC will own this mess if they have the House, Senate, and Executive.

    The GOP will re-take the House in 2022. Prediction for 2023, Impeachment is Coming (probably multiple times) for Biden & Harris.

    😎 TRUMP 2024 😎
     

    • LOL: Realist
    • Replies: @anon
  20. And the Democrats get to own it all.

    I expected that the Democrat establishment bloc of our Democrat establishment/Republican establishment/DSMIC*/Wall Street/Silicon Valley/Zionist rulers might be just smart enough to avoid this trap. Evidently not.
    —–
    DSMIC = Deep State, Military Industrial Complex

  21. Catdog says:

    Today is the day. Big turnout. And it’s nothing but a regular trump rally. Trump is once again all bluster and no muster. Hopefully by the time this comment passes moderation in 12 hours, I’ll be proven wrong. Doubt it.

  22. Talha says:

    A majority of Georgia voters think abortion should be legal. The Bible Belt has broken.

    Ok, but look at the bright side, at least they aren’t (yet) producing cartoons about a guy with an out-of-control giant member:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @216
  23. Neuday says:
    @The Alarmist

    Nice gem hidden there … let’s start calling our less than average students ‘CNN-Students.’

    The problems is we have a huge glut of CNN-Teachers.

  24. @Realist

    I hate to break it to you, but this isn’t US exceptionalism. It is the same in all of the (((Western liberal democracies))).

    • Replies: @Realist
  25. Dr. Doom says:

    The System is rigged. Always has been. Trump was no messiah.
    This messianic wishing is killing you.
    You have to take responsibility for yourselves.

    Why do you expect someone to come save you?
    Why do you even NEED saving?
    You number in the tens of millions.

    Remove your support and the System will crumble.
    Avoid taxes like the plague. Barter, buy local, trade.
    RESIST. Do not assist.

    Do not expect anyone to come to your rescue.
    In 1776, people took liberty seriously and DID SOMETHING.
    You have to be proactive and stop waiting for someone to do it for you…

  26. anon[893] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    The GOP will re-take the House in 2022

    Doubtful.

    Prediction for 2023, Impeachment is Coming (probably multiple times) for Biden & Harris.

    lol. Nah, not gonna happen.

    • Replies: @indocon
  27. indocon says:
    @fnn

    The difference between 59% and 51% is the difference between GOP survival or doom, these are white Hispanics. As Trump showed, acting tough against BLM will get their votes, not cutting SS or Medicare.

    • Replies: @Excal
  28. Jewish Super-Capitalists poured record money into Georgia Elections to get Democrats elected. This is a fact. Jewish Money from Hollywood, Wall Street, Law Firms, and Big Tech made the difference in the elections. Jewish operatives also control and blackmail GOP cuck-politicians who really work for the Deep State. Furthermore, Jews control 95% of mass media. Jews also control the official religion of America, which today is the mindless idolatry of Jews, blacks, and homosexuals. Jews did all this, but what are conservatives saying? They are whining about China, China, China, and Iran, Iran, Iran. Are conservatives really this ignorant or stupid? Or are they just too cowardly to speak the truth? When Jewish capitalists attack Conservative America but conservatives blame communist China and Islamic Iran, it is all so laughable and hopeless.

    American politics reminds me of the final scene of FULL METAL JACKET. There is one sniper but the US soldiers are blasting EVERYTHING but at the sniper. In the US, Jews attack white conservatives, but white conservatives flail away at everything but the Jews.

    At least the soldiers in FULL METAL JACKET really didn’t know where the bullets were coming from. A lot of conservatives DO KNOW it’s the Jews, but they still howl about Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, or whatever. It’s so embarrassing.

    • LOL: Dumbo
  29. Rosie says:
    @Wyatt

    that only property owning white men could vote,

    It’s long past time for you to STFU about women voters. We have been proven absolutely correct in our wariness of the GOP. You have nothing.

  30. Realist says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I hate to break it to you, but this isn’t US exceptionalism.

    I never suggested it was.

  31. fnn says:

    Woman protestor at Capitol Bldg shot in the neck by DC police.

    Saw it here: https://dlive.tv/austinzone

  32. fnn says:

    Eyewitness report:

  33. fnn says:

    Video of the shooting:

  34. Well, the rebels are storming Santa Clara now. America should have left the superman show early and caught the last fishing trawler out of Havana. Oh, and Mike Pence has become a genuine Fredo.

    Life imitates art, but I think I’m done with this farce.

  35. iffen says:

    I assume the mob will be moving on to Tysons Corner for some peaceful looting.

  36. Bill says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Uh, the Janissaries were kind of in charge a lot of the time. Their power wasn’t really broken until the 19th C.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  37. Bill says:
    @JR Ewing

    There’s a good case to be made that the only people skilled at politics are narcissists and grifters, which is why we end up where we are.

    Right. Democracy is a system for empowering bold liars. It would be much better to choose leaders via gladiatorial combat. Or video games. Or pie-baking contests.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Rosie
  38. Dumbo says:

    Now they are storming the capitol and one young woman was shot, maybe deadly.

    What a crazy time to be alive.

  39. Dumbo says:
    @Bill

    Right. Democracy is a system for empowering bold liars

    I always thought this, and when you put it this way, it really makes sense. It’s really a contest about who is the best pathological liar.

  40. Rosie says:
    @Bill

    Or pie-baking contests.

    Her Imperial Majesty Queen Rosie I it is, then. A solemn hush falls upon the room when I serve my death by double chocolate pudding pie.

    Anyway, hang it all. I was born into a superpower, I’ll die in a banana Republic. If it were just me, I wouldn’t care, but my kids deserve better.

  41. Bill says:

    These two results obviously cannot simultaneously be accurate,

    You are implicitly assuming that every respondent answered every question. Since that never happens, the results are perfectly possible. As long as missings are dealt with on a question-by-question basis (instead of overall), all sorts of weirdness is possible.

  42. Fry the piggy wiggy

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Rosie
  43. Excal says:
    @indocon

    Maybe they are “white Hispanics” to some, but whatever you call them, the majority are mestizo and Indian farmhands and NAFTA refugees from Mexico and Central America. The older people among them are barely literate, and consider education to be very un-macho. There are far more of them in Georgia, North Carolina, and Tennessee than are reported in any official data — sometimes entire villages moved all at once.

    (There are Cubans in Atlanta as well. They tend to stay in Atlanta, and as we’ve seen in Florida, the Cubans often vote conservative. But there aren’t enough of them to make any real difference.)

    I doubt whether these “New Southerners” tipped the Georgia election numbers in any significant way, though — Georgia is not California, and may never be. My feeling is that Abrams got everything she needed from Atlanta. If the First Nation People of Georgia can’t get it together and cut out that cancer, they should build an extra-wide throne for Abrams, because she is their beloved supreme leader now.

    • Replies: @indocon
  44. nebulafox says:
    @Bill

    Slave soldiers dominating their ostensible masters and even founding dynasties of their own had a history in the Islamic World long predating the Ottomans. The Turks themselves were the Janissaries back during previous caliphates. The skills that they brought from the steppe were highly prized for good reason, as the Mongols would show centuries later.

    It’s an integral part of how they slipped into the Middle Eastern bloodstream. And just like the Christianized Germans who dominated the late antique Roman military, they’d end up adopting the more sophisticated religion of the more advanced society they’d come to rule, often with a convert’s enthusiasm.

    • Thanks: Bill
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Yahya K.
  45. A123 says:
    @Priss Factor

    Why should the little guy be fried?

    The line animal was sent into an untenable situation by his Libtard, sharia-compliant, SJW bosses. Bypass the guy on the line and go for the authoritarian Elite Muslim Globalist leaders, like The IslamoSoros. The poor Christian guy on the line is a potential ally.

    PEACE 😇

  46. Rosie says:
    @Priss Factor

    Fry the piggy wiggy

    I likes mine raw!

  47. Talha says:

    Elite level trolling…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  48. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    Trump is not a loser. Trump was elected by tens of millions of people who were sick and tired of the corrupt, long time status quo that never gets anything substantial done for American citizens.

    Trump is a sham. People that think Trump is on their side are losers. Trump never got anything substantial done for American citizens.

    People who continue to elect the same long time swamp politicians, the lawyers, the politicians, ARE THE LOSERS.

    That is exactly what Trump did…hired the very denizens of the swamp…he promised to drain.

    They do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

    Just like Trump over the last four years.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  49. @iffen

    The big story with Georgia demographically has been the increase in the black population. Georgia has the third highest percentage of blacks in the country, after Louisiana and Mississippi. And unlike in those two states, the percentage has been rapidly increasing.
    In the previous census, South Carolina had a higher percentage of blacks than Georgia. Now SC’s percentage has gone down. I think a lot of blacks from the rest of the country are moving to Georgia, given the reputation of Atlanta as a Mecca for blacks. Georgia seems on its way to becoming the first black-run state. Think DC or Detroit writ large. And it could happen sooner than you think. There is a lot of anger towards the current Republican governor from Trump supporters. He could very well lose to Stacey Abrams in 2022.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @indocon
    , @Jay Fink
  50. Talha says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I think a lot of blacks from the rest of the country are moving to Georgia, given the reputation of Atlanta as a Mecca for blacks. Georgia seems on its way to becoming the first black-run state.

    I would assume that this would be welcome by a lot of folks around here in that it would make peaceful separation that much easier, no?

    Peace.

  51. indocon says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Plus it has Atlanta’s whose whites are voting like they do in Chicago or Philly. One interesting aspect of Georgia demographics is that it has a pretty substantial population of rural Latinos, and Asians especially Koreans. These are two of the most gettable groups for GOP if Democrats were coronated as official AA party.

    • Replies: @216
  52. indocon says:
    @Excal

    Say whatever you want, its 59% white in GA because 8% of the population there is hispanic involuntarily declared themselves to be white not brown or any other race. These people came from a country where they were never accepted into the elites race, heritage whites here need to look around and find every such individual and make them welcome to their fold.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  53. indocon says:
    @anon

    I think all the GOP cucks hoping for a 2010 redux in 2022 are going to be for a rude awakening, the Senate map is even, DOJ will vigorously go after any state that tries to gerrymander hard for Republicans, plus there a lot of marginal seats won in 2020 that are going to be at risk in 2022. If the economy keeps trudging along, I actually see a 1984 style shellacking for Republicans in 2024.

  54. Talha says:
    @nebulafox

    The skills that they brought from the steppe were highly prized for good reason, as the Mongols would show centuries later.

    This would pay off later when the Mongols showed up and ran over everyone from the Persians to the Chinese to the Rus; the only guys that were able to go toe to toe and eke our victories (these were close) were Turkic Mamluk armies in places like Egypt and India.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Yahya K.
  55. Talha says:
    @Talha

    And it don’t stop…

    This has given birth to so many memes. I think this image will get a lot of mileage:

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  56. Jay Fink says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    In the last few years South Carolina has become a trendy place for people to relocate or retire, especially in the Charleston area. I take it, unlike Atlanta, it’s mostly whites moving to SC.

  57. Wielgus says:
    @Talha

    “This has given birth to so many memes. I think this image will get a lot of mileage:”
    Really? I just see two cops talking to each other. One is in uniform.

    • Replies: @Talha
  58. Talha says:
    @Wielgus

    That may be one of the memes!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  59. Mark G. says:
    @Wyatt

    A better founding document would have explicitly codified what Jefferson and co. believed would just be true: that only property owning white men could vote, that there would be no permanent standing army, that states would have outstanding influence in politics and America would not be this racial cesspit hellbent on running the country into the ground over tribal politics.

    Jefferson wrote, referring to the black slaves, that “we have the wolf by the ears and can’t let him go”. He understood slavery was wrong but also understood if we freed the slaves and gave them the vote that they wouldn’t use it wisely. The importation of large numbers of blacks to use as slaves was the worst mistake in American history. The second worst mistake was the 1965 Immigration Act. In debating that, Senator Edward Kennedy said it would not change the ethnic composition of the country if passed. This was as dishonest as when Hubert Humphrey said the 1964 Civil Rights Act would never lead to reverse discrimination.

    The change in the ethnic composition of the country, with nonwhite immigrants being added on top of the blacks already here, has made it increasingly difficult for conservatives to win as can be seen in the recent Georgia election. The days are long gone when a conservative like Reagan could become Governor of California. The exodus of whites to the interior states with small nonwhite populations further tilts the states they are leaving to the left and may lead to the eventual breakup of the country.

  60. nebulafox says:
    @Talha

    I’m curious, Talha: did the Mamluks fight in a steppe manner by that point, or had they assimilated so thoroughly into Egyptian society (they would have had to if they founded their own dynasty rather than launching Samarra-style episodes to manipulate a society they could never have a stake in) that they changed their methods of warfare? My knowledge of the Mongols is sorely lacking, so I’m happy to be corrected here.

    I got the impression that going up against the Mongols in their own style of warfare was generally a really bad idea, i.e, what the Seljuks probably did at Köse Dağ. But then, a huge part of this might have just been the terrain: the reason the Turks were attracted to Asia Minor post-Manzikert in the first place was because the plateau was a lot like the steppe of Central Asia. Hit-and-run tactics might have been more viable in narrow valleys/passes toward Egypt.

    They weren’t the only ones, though: the Japanese, Javanese, and Vietnamese (some things never change…) also came through their encounters with the Mongols. Albeit the first two had oceans to give them massive assists.

    • Replies: @Talha
  61. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    I fully support all of these three countries rounding up regular army volunteers (no draftees, please), tribal militias, and whomever else they can rope in and launching an invasion; it would cause Americans to come together for once on something. Since at least Iraq and Afghanistan are US client states they do after all have some interest in our government.

    On the other hand, fifty minutes later when the expeditionary force is a cloud of dust and vapor we’ll all be at each other’s throats again, so maybe it wouldn’t really have been worth doing.

    • Replies: @Talha
  62. Talha says:
    @nebulafox

    did the Mamluks fight in a steppe manner by that point, or had they assimilated so thoroughly into Egyptian society

    They were not fully in steppe mode, nor had they dropped it either. The Mamluks that fought off both the Mongols and Crusaders were the Bahri Mamluks (from Turkic background). They were eventually replaced by the Burji Mamluks of Circassian background (who were less capable rulers) – so they were the military elite of the society. What’s funny about Egyptians is that, if you talk to them, some fully recognize their long history and some of their most memorable eras were when they were ruled by outsiders; I’ve had a few Egyptians home about how they are very capable, but need a non-Egyptian in charge to get anywhere. The last dynasty (King Farouk) was of Albanian origin.

    And it wasn’t just Egypt; this is about how the Delhi Sultanate (founded by Turkic Mamluks) were able to keep Mongol armies at bay. It concludes around the last minutes:
    “From 1304 until 1308 invasions were annual, but now the aura of Mongol invincibility in India was broken. Mongol armies were defeated in battle, their commanders trampled to death by elephants in Delhi and pillars constructed of Mongol skulls outside the city.

    The question remains: why were the Mongols so ineffective in India? Delhi familiarity with Mongol tactics was a major factor, both from combat experience, similar army models, and the presence of Mongol defectors. India’s hot summers were hard on the Mongols and their horses, impacting pasturage and limiting when the Mongols attacked. Finally, Ala al-Din and his generals were skilled commanders, and a match for the Mongol captains.“

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  63. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    You won’t be so glib when you see the approach of the fearsome Afghan Navy – infidel!!!

    Peace…?

    • Agree: RSDB
    • Replies: @RSDB
  64. Talha says:
    @Talha

    What’s more is that the Mamluk defense against the Mongols was a kind of vengeance. Many of the Turkic tribes had been increasingly pushed out by the Mongol invasions and many, even famous, Mamluk rulers found themselves enslaved as part of this migration crisis. Prof. David Nicolle points this out in his book “Mamluk Askari”.

    Rising up through the ranks and finally beating them on the field of battle was payback.

  65. @indocon

    While exit polls can tell us something depending, like any survey, on how they are phrased, the idea that this state “was captured by Democrats” is only valid if it includes stealing or piracy. This state was stolen, plain and simple, using the same techniques from the November election. Italy has outed the first election. See https://www.battipaglianews.it/cronaca/leonardo-cyber-attacco-militari-arturo-d-elia/

  66. Yahya K. says:
    @Talha

    This would pay off later when the Mongols showed up and ran over everyone from the Persians to the Chinese to the Rus; the only guys that were able to go toe to toe and eke our victories (these were close) were Turkic Mamluk armies in places like Egypt and India.

    Yessir. We wuz kangz!

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  67. Talha says:
    @Yahya K.

    Though, it serves as a reminder what Iqbal wrote in his tough-love poem “Jawab-e-Shikwa”:

    Who, with their foreheads, established My Ka’bah?
    Who pressed My Qur’an to their breast?
    Indeed! They were your fathers – **but who are you?**
    With hands folded together, you wait for tomorrow!

    But Egyptians are solid, they just seem to historically need someone else at the helm to wield them at maximum potential; could be a Hijazi, a Kurd, a Turk, an Albanian, etc.

    Either way, I’m glad you guys are in Team Ummah. 🤜🤛

    Wa salaam.

  68. Yahya K. says:
    @nebulafox

    The Turks themselves were the Janissaries back during previous caliphates. The skills that they brought from the steppe were highly prized for good reason, as the Mongols would show centuries later. It’s an integral part of how they slipped into the Middle Eastern bloodstream.

    Yep. Turkish blood still runs through the Egypt to this very day. You can see it visibly in many upper class Egyptians. My mother, for instance, looks like a full-on Turk. Every time she goes to Turkey the locals mistake her for a Turk like themselves. I personally look more like a mix of Arabo-Turk, because of the Arabian admixture from my father.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Egypt

    The Turks in Egypt, also referred to as Egyptian Turks, Turkish-Egyptians and Turco-Egyptians[1] (Arabic: أتراك مصر‎ Turkish: Mısır Türkleri) are Egyptian citizens of partial or full Turkish ancestry, who are the descendants of settlers that arrived in the region during the rule of several Turkic dynasties, including: the Tulunid (868–905), Ikhshidid (935–969), Zengid (1127–1250), Mamluk (1250–1517), and Ottoman (1517–1867 and 1867–1914) eras. Today their descendants continue to live in Egypt and still identify as Egyptians of Turkish or mixed origin, though they are also fully integrated in Egyptian society.[2]

    Many people also don’t know that in Egypt, the phenotypes run the gamut from blue-eyed European to swarthy middle eastern to brown-skinned Egyptian to dark-skinned African complexions.

    It’s quite interesting and I am surprised that no-one’s compiled any statistics on this. My estimate of the phenotypic demographics in Egypt is as follows:

    3% White++ (Greek/Albanian/Circassian ancestry)
    7% White+ (Turkish or Levantine ancestry)
    25% White (Swarthy Middle Eastern)
    60% Brown (The OG Ancient Egyptians)
    5% Black (Nubians & Sudanese in the South)

    But note that these are just my distinctions. No-one in Egypt considers them as different groups as such. Everyone here thinks if you are Egyptian then you are of the same race. Even the statistical agencies lump all these groups under the same ethnicity (CIA Factbook lists 99.7% under the “Egyptian” ethnic category). But I think it’s pretty clear they’re distinct groups (see the pictures below). I guess that the main distinction people make here is between Muslims and Christians, rather than by skin color or appearance.

    [MORE]

    Mortada Mansour (White++, Southeastern European)

    Leila Ahmed (White+, Turkish)

    Hosni Mubarak (White, Swarthy Middle Eastern)

    Gamal Abdel-Nasser (Brown, OG Ancient Egyptian)

    Anwar Sadat (Brownish-Black, Half-Sudanese)

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @nebulafox
  69. Talha says:
    @Yahya K.

    I’ve seen straight up white-looking Egyptians. I’m talking blonde hair, light eyes and even Western European features. Rare? Yes, but they certainly exist. As you would expect in a land with so many people passing through it.

    Wa salaam.

  70. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    The Lord High Admiral speaks:

    The black shall mourn for hoof and hide,
    The white man for his brother.

    ’Tis war, red war, I’ll give you then,
    War till my sinews fail;
    For the wrong you have done to a chief of men,
    And a thief of the Zukka Kheyl!

    • Replies: @Talha
  71. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    Had a hunch this was Kipling…looked it up and…👍

    Peace.

    • Thanks: Mr. Rational
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    , @RSDB
  72. @Talha

    I don’t know how you know enough Kipling to know his style, but I have to appreciate that you do.

    Western culture has a reach that is hard even for me to grasp.

    • Replies: @Talha
  73. Talha says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Maybe it was a lucky guess, but it was more subject matter that tipped me off than style necessarily.

    Western culture has a reach that is hard even for me to grasp.

    Yuge! Well, maybe if the Indian subcontinent had been colonized by the Chinese instead of the British, I would be guessing some Mandarin poet instead. 🤷‍♂️

    Peace.

  74. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    Yes, I should probably have linked it; I don’t want people thinking this is my own verse (or do I? Hmm… foiled again!). Good guess, though. It’s not a bad poem at all but I think the stanza with “war, red war” is the best part.

    Western culture has a reach that is hard even for me to grasp.

    Well, yes, it’s pretty amazing. On the other hand, bearing your [Talha’s] comment in mind– from one aspect of things it is also Pathan culture that Kipling is retailing and repackaging to remind his audience of Scott’s Scottish Border minstrelsy.

  75. nebulafox says:
    @Yahya K.

    On first glance, Egypt seems like the kind of place where you have so many peoples invading and intermarrying that the genetic bloodpool is a whole hodgepodge of different people. It reminds me of Germany: at the center of Europe, so the gene pool involves people from all around the continent.

    But I’m not sure how true that is until the Arabs showed up, and even with them, it is questionable. Your statistics seem to support this: the majority component of blood is still the same as it was when the Pharaohs ruled.

    Throughout the Persian and Greco-Roman periods, the imperial identity only seemed to be dominant in the major urban areas among the expats, and eventually the Hellenized intelligentsia who married amongst themselves. Out in the countryside, where the vast majority of Egyptians lived, people remained Egyptian. This even had religious implications: when Christianity was adopted, the native Egyptian countryside became heavily Monophysite. The language of religious services was Coptic, not Greek. This was helped along by the fact that the emperors had to usually treat Egypt with kid’s gloves, because the grain supply made Egypt the most valuable piece of real estate in the classical world.

    The Arabs were different: Egypt became Arabized and Islamized over time, just like modern Syria, Jordan, Palestine, and Iraq did. The Arabs succeeded where most people in world history didn’t because they had a number of things going for them that most conquerors didn’t: above all coming from the same theological thought world as late antique Rome, making assimilation into their culture feasible. (And Mesopotamia, though Persian territory, was home to large Jewish and Christian populations.) But even still, the process seems to have taken longer than it did in the Levant because of that stubborn underlying “native” identity that had survived changes of regime for millennia. And the Arabs were cloistered into their garrison towns throughout the initial century of conquest-it wasn’t like Iran where intermarriage with the locals was necessary. It seems as though what happened instead was that native Egyptians adopted Arab culture en masse, took up Arab names, and eventually thought of themselves as Arabs.

  76. 216 says:
    @Talha

    This is straight up pedo shit.

  77. 216 says:
    @indocon

    The GOP nominated a horrendously unlikeable wealthy white woman to the Senate.

    It’s not as if Brian Kemp couldn’t have found a competent black nominee.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  78. @216

    The occasional, idiosyncratic black is as welcome in the Republican party as anyone else is.

    It’s not as if Brian Kemp couldn’t have found a competent black nominee.

    However, the Sailer Strategy is right: leave the Democrats to be the black party.

    Recognizing that other U.S. ethnies are less comfortable with blacks than whites are, wise Republicans would recruit as few blacks as possible. If you are a Republican and you want to win, then you should seek the support and participation of everybody except the blacks.

    On the other hand, if one is a Republican who merely wishes to prattle on about the Content of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s, Character, oblivious to actual blacks who are rolling their eyes at your clueless witlessness, then go ahead and keep recruiting the blacks. It won’t work, and it’ll drive off other recruits one could have won if one had tried.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  79. @V. K. Ovelund

    Pardon, @216, my keyboard slipped:

    … who are rolling their eyes at your clueless witlessness, …

    Obviously, you had written nothing that merited an insult in reply.

    I meant, “one’s clueless witlessness.” I was not purposely calling you a clueless lackwit or anything of the sort.

  80. @V. K. Ovelund

    Anyone can make a mistake, of course—especially C-students who report exit polls for CNN.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  81. @GeraldB

    This isn’t an instance of the Simpson’s Paradox. These are full samples in both cases.

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