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From the GSS 2010 onward (N = 7,886), the percentage of native-born Americans who belong to or have spouses who belong to labor unions is 13.1%. For foreign-born residents, the figure is 9.3%. Natives are thus over 40% more likely to be union members than immigrants are.

The AFL-CIO and Jeff Bezos are both big proponents of open borders. It’s obvious why Bezos is.

GSS variables used: UNION(1-3)(4), YEAR(2010-2018), BORN

 
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  1. Exactly. If only anti-immigrationists would stick to your argument, the only valid one, the unionization one, they might get somewhere. But instead, they wang off into identity politics–oh, immigrants are this, they’re that, they’re lazy and losers and ugly and have bad habits, etc. True, or not, these kinds of arguments are A. irrelevant, and B. make them look like crank losers.

    On the other hand, even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization. Thus, arguing wages and unionization, they could common cause with normal people. Thus, maybe they could make some headway cutting back immigration.

    The real problem is, though, that most anti-immigrationists, as on this site for instance, are anti-union, too. Be free, they say. Unions are un-free. Be free. Be free.

    Just like all the commenters on here complaining about the big banks and the rich and whatall–and then proposing even more free-market capitalism as the antidote. The cross-eyed lunkheads.

    These people wouldn’t know their head if you hit them with it.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization. Thus, arguing wages and unionization, they could common cause with normal people. Thus, maybe they could make some headway cutting back immigration.
     
    I agree. But you'll never get anywhere with the alt-right. They want everything to be about race. For the most part they're too blinded by racial hatred to be able to see sense.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Why, how very late-twentieth-century of you.

    Hey I got an idea, let's go do a couple lines of blow off the cover of "Darkness on the Edge of Town". And have you heard that new Talking Heads record? Those African polyrhythms are like blowing my MIND!!
    , @anonymous

    On the other hand, even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization.
     
    He might know it, but he was instructed by Ezra Klein in 2015 not to say it, and to in fact pretend otherwise, and since then he's done exactly what he was told.
    , @jbwilson24
    "If only anti-immigrationists would stick to your argument, the only valid one, the unionization one, they might get somewhere"

    You are too stupid (and uneducated) to know the meaning of the word 'valid', you low IQ cretin.

    Arguments about immigration are not deductive, meaning that the term 'validity' is not useful. It's apparent that you have never read even a 100-level book on critical thinking or logic.

    You might also want to pick up a basic book on policy analysis, which, since it is a fluffier discipline, might be better suited to the horsepower that you are packing in your four neurons:

    https://edge.sagepub.com/pollock

    Anyone dumb enough to think that something like immigration is a simple issue that can be solved by deductive reasoning should probably shut up.

  2. The AFL-CIO leadership is much like the GOP’s: they have views that often directly contradict the ones of their constituents.

    Also, if you take a look at the establishment Democrats and their puppets in the media, it is interesting to see how pro-monopolist (with the implications that has for social mobility) they’ve become, and how much of that is justified via a moral basis rather than an economic one. They are willing to give the working class more crumbs than the market fantasists in the GOP, but are less interested in reviving upward mobility. I’m willing to bet they’d be happy to cut a deal with the big corporations to trade unionization in exchange for allowing them to completely devour the market.

  3. This country desperately needs a Samuel Gompers of today. I wonder how many on dissident right will come around to accept the need and usefulness of unions? I personally have gone full 180 on it, starting my career at a management level in unionized environment I hated the concept of unions, but now couple of decades in, I fully see their value in creating the middle class in the middle of last century.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    I too have changed my thinking on unions. I grew up in an anti-union household and as late as eight or so years ago thought unions were fundamentally a bad idea. But I now think unions may be the only way working people can gain any share of the wealth that they help create. Unfortunately, present union leadership, which favors immigration and amnesty for illegals (the better to unionize them, or so I'm told) is not a strong argument in favor of unions. Yes, we need Samuel Gompers!
    , @MBlanc46
    As long as we have capitalism, labor unions are a necessary evil.
  4. @obwandiyag
    Exactly. If only anti-immigrationists would stick to your argument, the only valid one, the unionization one, they might get somewhere. But instead, they wang off into identity politics--oh, immigrants are this, they're that, they're lazy and losers and ugly and have bad habits, etc. True, or not, these kinds of arguments are A. irrelevant, and B. make them look like crank losers.

    On the other hand, even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization. Thus, arguing wages and unionization, they could common cause with normal people. Thus, maybe they could make some headway cutting back immigration.

    The real problem is, though, that most anti-immigrationists, as on this site for instance, are anti-union, too. Be free, they say. Unions are un-free. Be free. Be free.

    Just like all the commenters on here complaining about the big banks and the rich and whatall--and then proposing even more free-market capitalism as the antidote. The cross-eyed lunkheads.

    These people wouldn't know their head if you hit them with it.

    even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization. Thus, arguing wages and unionization, they could common cause with normal people. Thus, maybe they could make some headway cutting back immigration.

    I agree. But you’ll never get anywhere with the alt-right. They want everything to be about race. For the most part they’re too blinded by racial hatred to be able to see sense.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Enjoy your brown future, bforbowtie.
    , @jbwilson24
    " For the most part they’re too blinded by racial hatred to be able to see sense"

    Wanting to live around your own people is not hatred, dumbass. Not wanting to be surrounded by Bantu and rapacious Pakis is quite sensible. Ask the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc.
  5. @dfordoom

    even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization. Thus, arguing wages and unionization, they could common cause with normal people. Thus, maybe they could make some headway cutting back immigration.
     
    I agree. But you'll never get anywhere with the alt-right. They want everything to be about race. For the most part they're too blinded by racial hatred to be able to see sense.

    Enjoy your brown future, bforbowtie.

    • Agree: Tusk
    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  6. @indocon
    This country desperately needs a Samuel Gompers of today. I wonder how many on dissident right will come around to accept the need and usefulness of unions? I personally have gone full 180 on it, starting my career at a management level in unionized environment I hated the concept of unions, but now couple of decades in, I fully see their value in creating the middle class in the middle of last century.

    I too have changed my thinking on unions. I grew up in an anti-union household and as late as eight or so years ago thought unions were fundamentally a bad idea. But I now think unions may be the only way working people can gain any share of the wealth that they help create. Unfortunately, present union leadership, which favors immigration and amnesty for illegals (the better to unionize them, or so I’m told) is not a strong argument in favor of unions. Yes, we need Samuel Gompers!

    • Replies: @indocon
    "Unfortunately, present union leadership, which favors immigration and amnesty for illegals "

    That I think is 100% driven by the fact that middle of the roads whites are pre-programmed to hate the concept of unions, so the union bosses have to go where they can for survival, it is to organize low end service workers which tend to be dominated by recent immigrants.

    If tomorrow regular white people start opening up to the concept of unions as a way to bring more stability to this out of control system, I think you will see the union boss start to shed their support for continued immigration quickly.
  7. @obwandiyag
    Exactly. If only anti-immigrationists would stick to your argument, the only valid one, the unionization one, they might get somewhere. But instead, they wang off into identity politics--oh, immigrants are this, they're that, they're lazy and losers and ugly and have bad habits, etc. True, or not, these kinds of arguments are A. irrelevant, and B. make them look like crank losers.

    On the other hand, even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization. Thus, arguing wages and unionization, they could common cause with normal people. Thus, maybe they could make some headway cutting back immigration.

    The real problem is, though, that most anti-immigrationists, as on this site for instance, are anti-union, too. Be free, they say. Unions are un-free. Be free. Be free.

    Just like all the commenters on here complaining about the big banks and the rich and whatall--and then proposing even more free-market capitalism as the antidote. The cross-eyed lunkheads.

    These people wouldn't know their head if you hit them with it.

    Why, how very late-twentieth-century of you.

    Hey I got an idea, let’s go do a couple lines of blow off the cover of “Darkness on the Edge of Town”. And have you heard that new Talking Heads record? Those African polyrhythms are like blowing my MIND!!

  8. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag
    Exactly. If only anti-immigrationists would stick to your argument, the only valid one, the unionization one, they might get somewhere. But instead, they wang off into identity politics--oh, immigrants are this, they're that, they're lazy and losers and ugly and have bad habits, etc. True, or not, these kinds of arguments are A. irrelevant, and B. make them look like crank losers.

    On the other hand, even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization. Thus, arguing wages and unionization, they could common cause with normal people. Thus, maybe they could make some headway cutting back immigration.

    The real problem is, though, that most anti-immigrationists, as on this site for instance, are anti-union, too. Be free, they say. Unions are un-free. Be free. Be free.

    Just like all the commenters on here complaining about the big banks and the rich and whatall--and then proposing even more free-market capitalism as the antidote. The cross-eyed lunkheads.

    These people wouldn't know their head if you hit them with it.

    On the other hand, even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization.

    He might know it, but he was instructed by Ezra Klein in 2015 not to say it, and to in fact pretend otherwise, and since then he’s done exactly what he was told.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Unfortunately true.
  9. Does that number include Government “worker” Unions?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Exactly. Subtract out government worker union totals from real unions.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Yes.
  10. @Diversity Heretic
    I too have changed my thinking on unions. I grew up in an anti-union household and as late as eight or so years ago thought unions were fundamentally a bad idea. But I now think unions may be the only way working people can gain any share of the wealth that they help create. Unfortunately, present union leadership, which favors immigration and amnesty for illegals (the better to unionize them, or so I'm told) is not a strong argument in favor of unions. Yes, we need Samuel Gompers!

    “Unfortunately, present union leadership, which favors immigration and amnesty for illegals ”

    That I think is 100% driven by the fact that middle of the roads whites are pre-programmed to hate the concept of unions, so the union bosses have to go where they can for survival, it is to organize low end service workers which tend to be dominated by recent immigrants.

    If tomorrow regular white people start opening up to the concept of unions as a way to bring more stability to this out of control system, I think you will see the union boss start to shed their support for continued immigration quickly.

  11. @Bill Jones
    Does that number include Government "worker" Unions?

    Exactly. Subtract out government worker union totals from real unions.

  12. The one thing I would want from a new union movement is the prohibition of one union having hold over an entire industry; just as companies should have to compete, unions should have to compete and share the fortunes of the companies.  Exercising a stranglehold over all the auto companies is how the UAW drove Detroit into the dust; when foreign competition was coming thick and fast, there was no money for engineering to rise to the challenge.  Having something to lose, like having your membership walk to another union as they went to a better-run company, would make the system work a lot better.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  13. @obwandiyag
    Exactly. If only anti-immigrationists would stick to your argument, the only valid one, the unionization one, they might get somewhere. But instead, they wang off into identity politics--oh, immigrants are this, they're that, they're lazy and losers and ugly and have bad habits, etc. True, or not, these kinds of arguments are A. irrelevant, and B. make them look like crank losers.

    On the other hand, even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization. Thus, arguing wages and unionization, they could common cause with normal people. Thus, maybe they could make some headway cutting back immigration.

    The real problem is, though, that most anti-immigrationists, as on this site for instance, are anti-union, too. Be free, they say. Unions are un-free. Be free. Be free.

    Just like all the commenters on here complaining about the big banks and the rich and whatall--and then proposing even more free-market capitalism as the antidote. The cross-eyed lunkheads.

    These people wouldn't know their head if you hit them with it.

    “If only anti-immigrationists would stick to your argument, the only valid one, the unionization one, they might get somewhere”

    You are too stupid (and uneducated) to know the meaning of the word ‘valid’, you low IQ cretin.

    Arguments about immigration are not deductive, meaning that the term ‘validity’ is not useful. It’s apparent that you have never read even a 100-level book on critical thinking or logic.

    You might also want to pick up a basic book on policy analysis, which, since it is a fluffier discipline, might be better suited to the horsepower that you are packing in your four neurons:

    https://edge.sagepub.com/pollock

    Anyone dumb enough to think that something like immigration is a simple issue that can be solved by deductive reasoning should probably shut up.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    I know what valid is. It's that you are an insufferable cretinous moronic imbecilic idiot.

    Anybody can c&p Wikipedia.

    In typical half-baked troll fashion, you practice diversion and control of the argument. Rather than addressing the only valid argument. Because that ain't in your remit. (Look it up.)

    I will not play, you phony.

    All this foofaraw just so's you kin call people n*****s you worthless worm found under a rock. That's really intelligent.
  14. @dfordoom

    even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization. Thus, arguing wages and unionization, they could common cause with normal people. Thus, maybe they could make some headway cutting back immigration.
     
    I agree. But you'll never get anywhere with the alt-right. They want everything to be about race. For the most part they're too blinded by racial hatred to be able to see sense.

    ” For the most part they’re too blinded by racial hatred to be able to see sense”

    Wanting to live around your own people is not hatred, dumbass. Not wanting to be surrounded by Bantu and rapacious Pakis is quite sensible. Ask the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    People supporting foreign workers, especially during coronawhen lobbying they should receive benefits from the state, aren't supporting them because they're workers but instead because they're foreign. To imply, like dfordoom does, that all racial matters are only a proxy for economic matters is to ignore a lot of other factors. Living in a town, or a country, of your own race isn't dependent on anything economic because it is a good in and of itself. People forget that importing African "refugees" has nothing to do with economics and in fact worsens a states economic situation from the crime that they cause and the resource drain, yet many people advocate for more of this because the goal isn't a prosperous and rich state or society, it's about achieving a non-White society.
  15. I have trouble thinking of anything positive that unions did recently on a political level. One type of union that still seems powerful is teachers unions. In my state, you need to have a master’s degree to become a teacher – this is an absolutely crazy and anti-civilizational idea that I’m assuming they were responsible for.

    I can think some reforms for unions:
    1.)ban public employee unions
    2.)let members opt out of political contributions.

    But most of the ideas I could come up with are tweaks. It is hard to address the fundamental problems of unions. How do you prevent them from becoming tools for shirkers and nincompoops to ride the coattails of the capable? How do you prevent them from being captured by gangsters and unscrupulous people? It is basically the same problem of democracies, but in a microcosm. And like democracy, I’m not too sure that they can work in a multicultural society.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  16. Unions have been co-opted by globalists. The SEIU is internationalist and the AFL-CIO is also internationalist now.

    Globalism is now getting a bad name with the pandemic.

    No one wants immigration anymore.

    Armed uprisings are starting.

    Can FEDGOV field an army now? Against Armed Americans?

    Diversity is an act of war you know.

    Ingroup preference is not racism, its a survival instinct.

    Multiculturalism
    is a trick by the Jews to fragment society to divide and conquer.

  17. “The SEIU is internationalist and the AFL-CIO is also internationalist now.”

    Evidence to support your assertion?

    “Globalism is now getting a bad name with the pandemic.”

    According to E. Michael Jones!

    https://culturewars.com/news/the-coronavirus-and-the-culture-war

    “No one wants immigration anymore.”

    Unfortunately, meat packers do.

    https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/04/22/meat-packing-plants-covid-may-force-choice-worker-health-food/2995232001/

    “Armed uprisings are starting.”

    Where? By whom?

    “Can FEDGOV field an army now? Against Armed Americans?”

    Last time I checked, we have 1.5 million active dury.

    “Diversity is an act of war you know.”

    Exactly how the Britons, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Romans, Danes, and Normans were deracinated in similar fashion as they got all tangled and twisted to create the English people, that bastion of Western Civilization.

    “Ingroup preference is not racism, its a survival instinct.”

    What happens when white people choose to expand that in group preferences? Are they race traitors despite having the liberty to make their own decisions?

    “Multiculturalism is a trick by the Jews to fragment society to divide and conquer.”

    According to Who/Whom?

  18. @jbwilson24
    "If only anti-immigrationists would stick to your argument, the only valid one, the unionization one, they might get somewhere"

    You are too stupid (and uneducated) to know the meaning of the word 'valid', you low IQ cretin.

    Arguments about immigration are not deductive, meaning that the term 'validity' is not useful. It's apparent that you have never read even a 100-level book on critical thinking or logic.

    You might also want to pick up a basic book on policy analysis, which, since it is a fluffier discipline, might be better suited to the horsepower that you are packing in your four neurons:

    https://edge.sagepub.com/pollock

    Anyone dumb enough to think that something like immigration is a simple issue that can be solved by deductive reasoning should probably shut up.

    I know what valid is. It’s that you are an insufferable cretinous moronic imbecilic idiot.

    Anybody can c&p Wikipedia.

    In typical half-baked troll fashion, you practice diversion and control of the argument. Rather than addressing the only valid argument. Because that ain’t in your remit. (Look it up.)

    I will not play, you phony.

    All this foofaraw just so’s you kin call people n*****s you worthless worm found under a rock. That’s really intelligent.

  19. Oh Corvy, you shouldn’yt play those games with me. SEIU is Service Employees INTERNATIONAL Union. AFL-CIO is in bed with them.

    In group preferences are encouraged by Jews for everyone but white people.

    Why is diversity “our strength”? Whose strength?

    Apparently the employer that doesn’t want solidarity on opposition.

    Who, Whom?

    This globalism is a Jewish plot. Protocols, current theories and “multi-culturalism”.

    Dark skinned folks are less intelligent. That’s the important part. LOWER I.Q.

    One group of homogenuous overlords and a polyglot of mongrels to exploit.

    Everyone here should know. Even you blackbird.

    Are you a disinfo agent? You sound like one. CIA? NSA? Mossad?

    No Mossad does it better than you do…

  20. Tusk says:
    @jbwilson24
    " For the most part they’re too blinded by racial hatred to be able to see sense"

    Wanting to live around your own people is not hatred, dumbass. Not wanting to be surrounded by Bantu and rapacious Pakis is quite sensible. Ask the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc.

    People supporting foreign workers, especially during coronawhen lobbying they should receive benefits from the state, aren’t supporting them because they’re workers but instead because they’re foreign. To imply, like dfordoom does, that all racial matters are only a proxy for economic matters is to ignore a lot of other factors. Living in a town, or a country, of your own race isn’t dependent on anything economic because it is a good in and of itself. People forget that importing African “refugees” has nothing to do with economics and in fact worsens a states economic situation from the crime that they cause and the resource drain, yet many people advocate for more of this because the goal isn’t a prosperous and rich state or society, it’s about achieving a non-White society.

  21. Jtgw says:

    There is no substitute in long run for old fashioned capital accumulation and consequent increase in labor productivity. Increased productivity is what allows workers to bid for ever higher real wages (under a sound money system that doesn’t steal from wage earners through inflation like we do now). Unionization is at best a short run advantage to existing workers at expense of new workers, and by hampering competition in labor it only harms productivity. America in the 19th century libertarian heyday had low union membership and still saw greater gains in real wages than in more heavily unionized Europe, which is why workers moved here.

  22. @indocon
    This country desperately needs a Samuel Gompers of today. I wonder how many on dissident right will come around to accept the need and usefulness of unions? I personally have gone full 180 on it, starting my career at a management level in unionized environment I hated the concept of unions, but now couple of decades in, I fully see their value in creating the middle class in the middle of last century.

    As long as we have capitalism, labor unions are a necessary evil.

  23. @anonymous

    On the other hand, even Bernie Sanders knows immigration is a trick to suppress wages and destroy unionization.
     
    He might know it, but he was instructed by Ezra Klein in 2015 not to say it, and to in fact pretend otherwise, and since then he's done exactly what he was told.

    Unfortunately true.

  24. @Bill Jones
    Does that number include Government "worker" Unions?

    Yes.

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