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More than fifty years after the civil rights revolution and opening the country up to immigration from all over the world, we have a progress report on how citizens of the empire think things are going. In short, not particularly well:

Among no racial group does a majority perceive American race relations to have improved over the last five decades. It is only among whites that a plurality even feel that way. Nearly half of blacks view things as having gotten worse since Selma and the death of Martin Luther King.

A modest majority of Republicans do think relations between the races have improved over the last half of a century. To affirm this, they want people of all colors and creeds to stand for the national anthem. As American patriots, we all bleed red, white, and blue!

Expressing that attitude is on the way to becoming a hate crime, as New Orleans Saints’ quarterback Drew Brees recently discovered. The modest majority of Republicans who think things have improved will soon become a silent minority even among conservatives if they know what’s good for them.

 
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  1. t says:

    A poll on the police https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/athena/files/2020/06/05/5eda549ec5b6817661649846.pdf

    2 things stand first people in all groups have a more negative view of the police nationally than locally I assume do to MSM propaganda. Second on most issue hispanic views of the police are closer to those of whites than blacks.

  2. Talha says:

    Hispanics be like:

    Peace.

  3. t says:

    The poll you linked to in this post has the same split, while only 13% of black describe race relations in country as being good 56% of blacks describe race relations in their community as being good.

  4. Dr. Doom says:

    Savages do not understand the concept of kindness; they have no better nature.
    Savages see kindness as weakness or surrender.

    These imbeciles believe they are IN CONTROL when they are placated.

    With savages, weakness is something you dare not show.

    There was a HUGE uptick in CRIME after the “Civil Wrongs” Act.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    , @John Johnson
    , @SMK
  5. Jay Fink says:
    @Dr. Doom

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we get another huge rise in crime now.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  6. The title of this piece could be shortened and remain perfectly accurate.

    ‘Fewer Than 1-In-5 Blacks Think’

    One in a hundred?

    • Agree: Realist
    • Disagree: Audacious Epigone
  7. Dumbo says:

    People have short memories. Most blacks don’t really remember the 60s and they are bombarded with information about “racism”, much more than in the 60s, so from their perspective it sounds worse.

    Perhaps this is also related to age, whites are older as a group.

    If you asked only white Millennials, perhaps they would say the same thing, that it’s worse now.

    • Replies: @216
  8. nebulafox says:

    People lack perspective. If you want an example of what truly bad relations with China is like, look at the Korean War.

    Just because things kind of suck now doesn’t mean they don’t suck in different ways from the past.

    • Agree: iffen, Haruto Rat
  9. AceDeuce says:

    Fewer Than 1-In-5 40 million Blacks Think Race Relations Have Improved Since the Civil Rights Act Was Passed in 1964

    Fixed it for you.

    • Troll: Audacious Epigone
  10. I gotta agree with my homies on this one, especially if we were comparing to the early 1960s. The Civil Rites laws and the Great Society Socialism just after made things worse in the long run by creating undeserved black empowerment and way more government-dependent black people, respectively.

    If I were to graph white/black racial relations in this country from 1865 on, I’d have a low during “Reconstruction”, a slow increase and leveling off to a decent high by the 1930s, then a big drop during the mass migration up north through the 1940s, and a rise right up through the early 60s. Then, the SHTF and there’s that big drop in the middle of the cultural upheavals and riotsof the mid-60s, then integration and busing in the early 70s. I see a slow rise from then through the mid-90s or even later.

    Since then, governments, media, and black “leaders” have been pushing White people to the breaking point. There was another big drop last week. Too bad you can’t gamble money on this as with elections and the stock market, eh, A.E.? ;-}

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  11. nebulafox says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    >If I were to graph white/black racial relations in this country from 1865 on, I’d have a low during “Reconstruction”, a slow increase and leveling off to a decent high by the 1930s, then a big drop during the mass migration up north through the 1940s

    I think the dudes (and more rarely, yet more sadly, women) who got lynched around the turn of the century would disagree with your assessment, man. Matter of fact, I’d be curious about their reaction to hear to the notion race relations are somehow worse in 2020 than they were in 1920. Chances are: complete bafflement.

    There’s tons of room between pointing out the flaws of post-CR era policies, or the very real blind spots/incoherence of the progressive narrative on the history of race in the US, and taking Jim Crow as a good model for race relations.

  12. @nebulafox

    I agree wholeheartedly with Achmed.

    I think the dudes (and more rarely, yet more sadly, women) who got lynched around the turn of the century would disagree

    There are plenty of people getting lynched because of their race nowadays, but they’re not black and Feds don’t get involved and media don’t call it “lynching”. So to the average perception, it doesn’t exist. But it is just as real, and far more numerous than any century-ago lynchings you keep hearing about for some reason.

    • Agree: VinnyVette, HammerJack
  13. @nebulafox

    Yeah, right, a few thousand black people were lynched (along with a goodly number of whites too) over 1/2 a century or so. I believe in rule of law over rule of men, ghetto thugs, and antifa fags, but, even so, I’m pretty sure a good many were justified too.

    Now, you compare those few thousand with the few thousand black people murdered by their own people EACH YEAR in America now!

    BTW, race relations may not have been equal, but they were more cordial, until the mid-1960’s. For white people, race relations have never been as good as in 1960. Since I’m white, that’s kinda important.

    Go take your virtual signaling to the ghetto, and see how far that gets you.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  14. Race relations have gone south post civil rights act because… Blacks now have carte blanche to behave the way they naturally do… As savages!
    And white SJW’s will gladly lay their heads on the block for the axe! It’s a “soul sacrifice” because to them it’s a religion. To me it’s a mental illness!

  15. @Dr. Doom

    There was a HUGE uptick in CRIME after the “Civil Wrongs” Act.

    I was shocked to read about that many years ago after being taught by liberals that crime was merely a matter of racism and economics.

    Even more interesting is that all the civil rights era riots were in Democrat areas where they were pitied.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  16. So 1 in 5 black men are still angry that they can’t get a white woman,and 1 in 5 black women are still angry about dey hurr.

  17. Black Americans are right on this survey. Race relations have become worse since the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964.

    Black Americans were actually well along their way toward success by then, a long, hard path going all the way back to the Constitutional Amendments that came after the Civil War. They had better family structure, better jobs in American industry, and better attitudes over all.

    What the 1960s did, and what every decade since has done, is rub salt into old wounds that were healing. Black Americans should be as upset about this as conservative White Americans like me are.

    We aren’t all that different. Our parents back then had real families and real jobs. Look what we have now. It’s enough to break your heart, and I hope at least one Black American reader sees this comment.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @216
  18. anon[136] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    I think the dudes (and more rarely, yet more sadly, women) who got lynched around the turn of the century would disagree with your assessment, man

    How many people would that be? 10? 1000? 100,000? 6,000,000?

    You might look at the Tuskeegee Institute records of lynchings over about 100 years, and then compare that with the number of people murdered inter-racially since 1965. Or if Only Black Lives Matter, compare the total number of black people lynched (whites were also lynched) with the total number of black people murdered since 1965.

    Tuskeegee’s numbers are over about 100 years. Post-1965 is obviously 55 years. So one time period is almost 2x the other time period.

    Which number of murders is greater?

    Every murder is a terrible crime, of course, but the number committed does matter. Doesn’t it?

  19. A123 says:

    Are Blacks a monolithic constituency?

    The statistics say, “NO!”
    _______

    Trump’s support is trending up with black voters (1):

    “Our Daily Presidential Tracking poll today shows Black Likely Voter approval of the job @realDonaldTrump is now over 40%,” tweeted the polling agency.

    For comparison, back in August 2019, Rasmussen’s numbers showed black support for Trump hovering at around 26%.

    Violent activists and exploiters, such as kneelers and rioters, are on the side of the SJW Globalist DNC.

    Non-violent, rational, adult blacks realize that damaging their own community is stupid. They understand that SJW Democrats are actively damaging their interests by encouraging street violence and looting in their neighborhoods.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rasmussen-black-approval-trump-surges-over-40

    • Replies: @A123
    , @nebulafox
  20. Back in the 60s and 70s, black people generated much goodwill for themselves by creating a lot of terrific music. What, on that score, have they done for us lately? The most fun I have any more is discovering old music that I missed the first time around; such as this, “K-Jee” by the Nite-Liters.

  21. A123 says:
    @A123

    Addendum — DEMOCRAT Kim Gardner has released every looter in the City of St Louis.

    Even more telling is who got her elected: (1)

    St. Louis’ Kim Gardner is one of George Soros’ success stories.

    She accepted several hundred thousand dollars in in-kind donations in the form of positive campaign ads in her favor — to allow her to beat other moderate Democrats who were not pro-criminal in the primary — which were paid for by Stalinesquely named “Safety & Justice Committee,” which is devoted to releasing hardened dangerous criminals from jail to kill citizens.

    This committee is funded by George Soros.

    Who also funded the Ferguson rioters.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=387583

    • Replies: @lhtness
  22. lhtness says:
    @A123

    It was obvious from the way she handled the Greitens case that she’s a complete moron: She charged a sitting governor with a crime, only to drop charges a week before it went to trial. I had assumed it was obvious that you only press charges against a governor if you’ve got a rock solid case.

    When people point out her gross incompetence, she yells “racist!”

  23. @John Johnson

    Exactly right. Can’t blame that on poverty because the 1960s were a very affluent decade and job opportunities improved for Blacks. It was against the law to discriminate against them, even for good reason.

    Among Blacks, there was a widespread reversion to African patterns of behavior partly enabled by the welfare state and a F*** Whitey mindset.

  24. “Back in the 60s and 70s, black people generated much goodwill for themselves by creating a lot of terrific music. ”

    “It was against the law to discriminate against them, even for good reason.”

    “Black Americans were actually well along their way toward success by then, a long, hard path going all the way back to the Constitutional Amendments that came after the Civil War. They had better family structure, better jobs in American industry, and better attitudes over all.”

    Laughing.

    1. the the 1960’s and 70’s the complaints were all about how much better blacks had it in the 1950’s; church loving, family oriented, compliant . . . entertainment, Nat king Cole, Harry Belafonte’ Pearl Baily — fostering so much good will, Canada Lee, and there were those darn MacArthur hearings — good will indeed as long as ever body wasn’t uppity. Paul Robeson entertainer, statesman . . . all american footballer . . . genius with more than 20 languages under his belt — one of those intellectuals dusting whites, browns, greens, and greys in a single breath . . .

    2. against the law to discriminate did not stop nationwide discrimination — too too funny. edlining before they called it redlining, hostile environments before they called it hostile, mortgage lending, lack legal equity . . . and as Mr Robeson will tell, qualifications had nothing to do with it.

    3. Oh those black people ungrateful ingrates — the 1960’s came along and they just lost it — something in their dna no doubt — but they sure were good dancers and singers all hat good will and yet there remains:

    national redlining, lack of legal equity, borrowing and lending practices tilted against regardless of ability or income, segregation . . . all that good will and the record in black and white is clearly that the US still maintained practices against their access as citizens . . .

    and there was the

    “Cosby Show”

    and then there was Mr. Bill Cosby convicted of crimes supposed committed ten to twenty years prior. Those darn black people — so ungrateful —

    good greif.

  25. 216 says:
    @Dumbo

    Black Boomers would remember the 60s

  26. 216 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The wartime and immediate postwar period were a time of unusually high prosperity that was shared among the working class, along with the lowest level of immigration in US history.

    This period’s circumstances cannot be duplicated in totality.

    Is there a level at which White Guilt peaks? Or can it be run to its logical conclusion of ethnic dissolution?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  27. nebulafox says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    > I believe in rule of law over rule of men, ghetto thugs, and antifa fags, but, even so, I’m pretty sure a good many were justified too.

    Good. Then you’ll agree with me that anybody who engages in identity politics as an excuse to break that law-white, black, brown, yellow, left, right-is a threat to society and should be treated as such. The problem right now lies on the left, obviously. That doesn’t make fantasies about reviving 1930s-style race relations any more acceptable to me: leaving aside morality, practical implementation of that would lead to violence on a scale that would make the current riots look tame.

    >Now, you compare those few thousand with the few thousand black people murdered by their own people EACH YEAR in America now! Now, you compare those few thousand with the few thousand black people murdered by their own people EACH YEAR in America now!

    How about a nation where thousands of people aren’t murdered at all?

    Even in the worst slums of urban Africa, where poverty, ignorance, communal hatred, and general dysfunction on a level most Americans can’t even comprehend are omnipresent, you nevertheless still don’t get this level of this type of outright antisocial behavior. Functional literacy rates in urban Detroit and New Orleans are behind most sub-Saharan African countries now, for Chrissakes. What gives? What makes things there different from American inner city areas? If you subscribe to HBD determinism, black Americans should have a natural advantage due to their significant amount of European blood. So, clearly, something in American society specifically is wrong.

    Furthermore, if you look at the broader trends of *why* these things have gotten worse, from the breakdown of family units to the erosion of a pathway to bourgeois stability, the white working and increasingly lower middle class has been hit hard by the same deletrious cultural forces that has hit their black counterparts decades earlier. It took longer. It isn’t as extreme for a host of reasons we could spend the entire thread debating. But the essential underlying effect is the same. Meanwhile, the elements of the upper-middle class that preserve themselves live lives that have a fair amount in common with 1950s-style cultural norms. Saving money. Monogamy. Discipline. Responsibility. Obeying the law. Not getting obese. Yadda yadda yadda. Not complicated stuff.

    >Go take your virtual signaling to the ghetto, and see how far that gets you.

    No, because I have a sense of newly found dignity. Lot of perfectly nice white people don’t seem to, though. Maybe you should talk to them. Maybe it’s their behavior that is linked to all that’s going on right now.

    https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/06/01/video-white-people-kneel-ask-forgiveness-from-the-black-community-in-third-ward/

    This is Cultural Revolution-level stuff here, but the funny thing is, it is seemingly voluntary. Perhaps a strain of narcissism is at work? The more you grovel, the higher your esteem is raised among GoodWhite friends.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  28. nebulafox says:
    @A123

    I’m more than a little skeptical about that specific statistic, not least because Jared Kushner is trying to convince The Donald that his best chance to gain election is to make inroads among black voters through warmed over MLK-ism. That’s a pipe dream: Trump’s real route to victory is through the Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin white voters that he has unfortunately chosen to betray at every turn in office. It moreover is incorrect: the economic populism that would win Trump support among the Rust Belt whites that put him in office would probably draw in more black and Hispanic voters on the side than anything the pro-plutocratic Kushner would ever advocate. Not 40%, but certainly more than Bush or Romney ever managed to pull in.

    With that said, I do agree with the essential point: I strongly doubt black shopkeepers whose livelihoods have been destroyed by the riots as much as their white or Asian counterparts subscribe to bien-pensant enthusiasm about the unleashed anarchy on the streets. That they’ll vote Democrat anyway is a sign of the stock of the GOP for them, not ideological enthusiasm. The same dynamic, probably even moreso, plays out amongst Hispanics, many of whom-even the criminal elements in places like Chicago!-have taken to defending their neighborhoods against Antifa and BLM hoodlums.

    This has been the case for a while now. The silent majority is a real thing, across all races and creeds, if to varying degrees. Most people just want normal, stable, and hopefully prosperous lives. Power goes to the person who most effectively utilizes this unorganized demographic.

  29. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Relations are worse today because black leaders in politics and culture are increasingly calling the shots.
    Relations were better but not great before Civil Rights when whites were calling the shots.
    You can make the case that relations were at their best in the Old South under segregation which guaranteed as much as possible that blacks and whites would have no relations.
    Maybe Strom Thurmond was right after all.

  30. “BTW, race relations may not have been equal, but they were more cordial, until the mid-1960’s. For white people, race relations have never been as good as in 1960. Since I’m white, that’s kinda important.”

    Agree with your “homies” all you like,

    the dynamic you note above is predicated on blacks knowing their place and acting accordingly. That is not the same thing as operating on equal footing.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  31. @nebulafox

    That doesn’t make fantasies about reviving 1930s-style race relations any more acceptable to me: leaving aside morality, practical implementation of that would lead to violence on a scale that would make the current riots look tame.

    We’re already looking at much worse than that.  The only question is who gets the worst of it.  It’s undeniable that “cibil rites” for Africans-in-America have utterly failed to civilize them; the only question is who will go away (first*) and how.

    This is Cultural Revolution-level stuff here, but the funny thing is, it is seemingly voluntary. Perhaps a strain of narcissism is at work? The more you grovel, the higher your esteem is raised among GoodWhite friends.

    Goodwhites are pathological.  Maybe even they will understand this soon.

    * Africans-in-America are utterly unable to support themselves, so if they vanquish YT they will starve where they are not outright slaughtered by Mexicans.  They are a failed people, good only as biological weapons.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  32. nebulafox says:
    @Mr. Rational

    >We’re already looking at much worse than that. The only question is who gets the worst of it. It’s undeniable that “cibil rites” for Africans-in-America have utterly failed to civilize them; the only question is who will go away (first*) and how.

    I’m not going to repeat what I said last time, especially since I just reiterated on how utterly culturally alien actual Africans find American blacks. It’s no different than how some elderly war-salt ajumma would relate to a 20-something left-wing Korean-American chick at Columbia or how my great-uncle in Europe relates to me and my family. Being born and brought up in the US makes you different, and for whites and blacks, there was no instant communication with the motherland for many, many generations. You can even see this within the same immigrant group depending on generation: compare Jews who left the USSR-sphere in the 1980s and early 1990s to their co-religionists who left Poland around 1900. The politics in particular are *very* different.

    Nobody’s going away anywhere save for sectarian hell scenarios that nobody on this planet deserves.

    >Goodwhites are pathological. Maybe even they will understand this soon.

    At least we agree on this.

    BTW, Chinese netizens are openly comparing what is going in the US to the Cultural Revolution. Very few people in the PRC remember the CR positively, so that’s not a good sign: on more levels than one, if you extrapolate to how divided and dysfunctional Beijing takes the US for.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  33. nebulafox says:
    @216

    >The wartime and immediate postwar period were a time of unusually high prosperity that was shared among the working class, along with the lowest level of immigration in US history.

    It’s almost as if keeping the supply of labor restricted does something to wages.

  34. AceDeuce says:
    @nebulafox

    LOL. Tell you what , Hubba Bubba. Pull up stories that go into specifics about those “lynchings” way back when. You’ll find kneegrow rape, murder, and other heinous activity as the start of those activities. A lot of dead “white bodies”, to use the trope du jour.

  35. AceDeuce says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “The dynamic you note above is predicated on blacks knowing their place and acting accordingly”.

    Meh. not really. If blacks acted better, they would have been more welcomed. Their stupidity, crime and dysfunction was already long known by whites back then. Who wants that?

    But I will note that the above “dynamic” is indeed what they want whites to do in 2020. Is that acceptable to you?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  36. Anybody who thinks race relations in America have gotten better since 1965 is living in an alternate universe or is a graduate of one of the seven sister colleges e.g. Kathy Boudin Bryn Mawr class of 65. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was the beginning of the end of the Bill of Rights for gentile straight white men in the USA. Based on the way they vote and their support for leftist feminism most white women think the current BLM mayhem and Covid election year lock down mask wearing scam is just the best.

  37. SMK says: • Website
    @Dr. Doom

    Actually, “race relations” haven’t improved but have gotten far worse since the passage of the Civil Right Act -not because of “white racism,” which doesn’t even exist in any objected sense, but because of blacks and their crime and violence and anti-white hatred and delusions of “systemic racism” and “oppression” induced and inculcated by black demagogues and pseudo-intellectuals and their white left-liberal sycophants and enablers.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  38. @Jay Fink

    I’ll be surprised if we don’t get a “huge rise in crime now.”

  39. To paraphrase Mandy Reiss Davies when she testified in the trial of Stephen Ward after the Profumo Affair:

    “Well, they would, wouldn’t they?”

  40. @AceDeuce

    The percentage of white Americans who are on your wavelength is in the single digits. There’s no constituency for it. Maybe it’s cathartic (if it’s not purchased posting) but what does it accomplish?

    • Replies: @AceDeuce

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