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Everything the neo-liberal establishment doesn’t like is “white supremacy”. Kind of funny how the actual supremacists have weaponized accusations of white supremacy as a way to roll roughshod over any threat to their power, but it’s effective so they do:

This unprecedented mania, the ultimate in blow off tops, is a Trump residual, you see:

This time, amateur investors decided to revolt against the pros. Using Reddit — and a subreddit known as r/wallstreetbets — the amateurs began a coordinated effort of buying GameStop stock to drive its price higher and higher. (It’s worth noting that Reddit was also a gathering spot for some of the most ardent Trump supporters in 2016.)

It’s always been about Trump and it must always be about Trump. Surely you don’t expect us to learn to code, do you? Skip to 19:52 in this podcast to hear from Jake Tapper. It’s a little cumbersome but it’s worth it.

The insurrectionist and his nazi followers are behind everything bad and in the way of everything good. Progressives, you don’t want people to think you’re defending nazis, do you? That’s right, tell the people how much you love Janet Yellen. Tweet it again. Oh yeah, that’s the stuff.

This is why they really, really want Kamala Harris at the top. Any criticism of her is a gross violation of Woke sensibilities.

This may be an inflection point in the realignment. If progressives will side with hedge fund billionaires over the Reddit rabble who managed to momentarily beat the oligarchs at their own game, they’re hopeless. But many of them don’t want to. If there is ever a chance for the populist right and populist left to look up instead of glaring across the room at one another, this is it. For the right’s part, this is the time to follow dfordoom’s advice and point out the power and class dynamics at play, not obsess over the ethnic ones. To make progress with the left, come at things from the left.

 
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  1. If there is ever a chance for the populist right and populist left to look up instead of glaring across the room at one another, this is it.

    Populists on the right and left can never have more than an uneasy, temporary, tactical alliance. Populists of the right want a fair distribution of national wealth. Populists of the left want to give it all away to foreigners. Or maybe they don’t, but at the very least, they are too brainwashed and/or cowed to countenance any policy that would effectively prevent that outcome (Nazi!). As such, they are useless at best.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Rosie

    But will the current definitions of "Right" and "Left" and the traditional boundary lines between Democrat and Republican matter that much in 10 years? They aren't some invariant force of nature. Just look at the electoral map of 1976.

    I suspect the long-term impact of the GameStop shenanigans is that a majority of my generation is going to become radically, concretely pro-capital gains tax for life rather than vaguely so or indifferent. And that's going to be solely predicated on whether you benefit from the current setup in the financial sector or not. Most don't. This is regardless of what party you vote for, what color your skin is, what chromosomes you have, what region you are from, or what your personality is. More and more people don't have any stake in the current status quo, and therefore will not defend it-at the very minimum-from people who want to burn it down.

    The impact of this is decades down the line will be that any politician who wishes to survive in office has to be, too. It's going to be the equivalent of not appearing pro-Communist in the 1950s.

    https://twitter.com/TheAgeofShoddy/status/1354835543973126149

    I don't think partisan divides are going to go away-far from it, in some ways they'll be more bitter than ever. But I also doubt that they'll sound the same as today. One thing that I don't think you'll see much of a constituency for is defending The Sanctity Of The Market: not after observing the response of the people who shrieked about this (and gave you the bootstraps speech) to kleptocrats rigging that market, on the tails of decades of elite cronyism and mismanagement. The only exceptions are going to be people on track to be in that inner circle who also believe things are tenable, and there just isn't going to be enough of them.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @MBlanc46
    @Rosie

    I might put it “They all want to be Stalin—or maybe Mao—and we want a bit of freedom”, but you’re essentially right on this, Rosie.

  2. For the right’s part, this is the time to follow dfordoom’s advice and point out the power and class dynamics at play, not obsess over the ethnic ones. To make progress with the left, come at things from the left.

    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews? Or are you going to tiptoe around frightened in fear of stepping on a twig and spooking the skittish normie?

    • Agree: V. Hickel
    • Replies: @Lot
    @Kent Nationalist

    “ Or are you going to tiptoe around frightened in fear of stepping on a twig and spooking the skittish normie?”

    Yes, spooking a skittish normie should be a concern.

    But you miss a few other important reasons to “tiptoe around the JQ”

    1. The awesome vengeance the Js who don’t like being Q’d will wreck upon you

    2. Antisemites are about as popular as pedos in mainstream America. People correctly associate it with a diseased brain, since paranoid schizophrenics are obsessed with Jews.

    3. Antisemitism is further politically impossible in America because too much of the elite and upper-middle class is Jewish, partly Jewish, married to Jews, or with partly Jewish grandchildren. For example, all of Clinton, Kerry, Trump, Biden, and Kamala.

    The proper reaction here is to develop and advocate your positions in accordance with these realities, not impotently shake your fist at them. Just ask this guy:

    https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/04/F170719GPOHZ13-e1523276012616.jpg

    , @dfordoom
    @Kent Nationalist


    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews?
     
    Obviously if there's ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.

    As I've said many times, there are a lot of people on the far right who want to lose. They seem to be in love with the perverse glamour of lost causes.

    Paranoiacs don't want to win. They want to find ways of confirming their paranoia.

    And those paranoiacs have succeeded in wrecking the chances of right-wing populism.

    Replies: @MarkU, @Kent Nationalist, @anon

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Kent Nationalist


    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews?
     
    As are the people, really the people behind the people, who legalized pornography, abortion, and contraceptives, and traded Christian prayer for Darwin in the public schools.

    Whenever I point these facts out, everyone here gets angry. So if you can't say it in the freest outlet in town, where can you say it?

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Intelligent Dasein

  3. Kind of funny how the actual supremacists have weaponized accusations of white supremacy as a way to roll roughshod over any threat to their power, but it’s effective so they do:

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

    If there is ever a chance for the populist right and populist left to look up instead of glaring across the room at one another, this is it.

    Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
    Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
    Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
    Oh, Lord, kumbaya

  4. The neo-liberal establishment is overwhelmingly jewish. They clearly have zero concerns on attacking white people, yet you still have commenters here that are very afraid of attacking the jew. This behaviour can only be the result of absolute ignorance or secretly accepting the fact that jews really have total power to destroys their lives and is thus not worth the risk mentioning.

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
    • Troll: botazefa
  5. This is why they really, really want Kamala Harris at the top. Any criticism of her is a gross violation of Woke sensibilities.

    Absolutely… AOC and Elizabeth Warren are both good on this.

    I didn’t watch AOC on Twitch (that stuff bores me) but she’s been tweeting about it. Naturally, being AOC she kvetches about Ted Cruz trying to kill her, but her heart’s in the right place on this one subject.

    Warren has been all around the cable shows being her usual schoolmarmish self, but she knows the details and she sees this for what it is. On economic subjects, I could actually live with a President Warren, or a President Sanders. But we all know that was never going to be and why.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Paperback Writer

    AOC and Warren are identical in many ways and they are both on the right side here, even though it's for the wrong reason.

    They don't necessarily care that the retail investors got screwed by institutions because the institutions are bad guys. Rather, they care because they already think the institutions are bad guys anyway.

    Personally, I don't care about the existence of billionaires so long as they earn it and don't erect barriers to membership in their club, but the egregiousness of what happened yesterday ("You can't trade these stocks because it costs our friends money") is the first time in a long time that I wanted to personally storm the Bastille.

    Replies: @Rosie

  6. If the populist left and right ever joined together in a coalition what would it look like and what issues would it focus on? The Republican in Congress that voted the same the most as Bernie Sanders did over the years was probably Ron Paul. They were both for shrinking the Defense budget and staying out of overseas wars. After 9/11 they both opposed the Patriot Act and the NSA surveillance programs. They both opposed TARP, the $700 billion bailout of big banks. They were both hostile to the Fed and wanted it audited. In 2016 Paul told the recently departed Larry King that he felt a kinship with Sanders and they both opposed corporatism and special favors to big business.

    Sanders being Jewish was never a problem for Paul. Paul’s two biggest influences, Mises and Rothbard, were both Jewish. Murray Rothbard supported Paul as the Libertarian party candidate to push that party in a populist direction and later supported Pat Buchanan to push the Republican party in a more populist direction. Trump would not have been possible without Buchanan. Rothbard engaged in class analysis in his writings that drew on leftist historians like William Appleman Williams and back in the sixties had joined with leftists like Carl Oglesby, head of the SDS, in opposing the Vietnam war.

    So you can see here an outline of some of the issues that could bring together a populist left-right coalition.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Mark G.

    Bernie was actually against uncontrolled immigration until it was explained to him that such an opinion wasn't allowed.

  7. @Mark G.
    If the populist left and right ever joined together in a coalition what would it look like and what issues would it focus on? The Republican in Congress that voted the same the most as Bernie Sanders did over the years was probably Ron Paul. They were both for shrinking the Defense budget and staying out of overseas wars. After 9/11 they both opposed the Patriot Act and the NSA surveillance programs. They both opposed TARP, the $700 billion bailout of big banks. They were both hostile to the Fed and wanted it audited. In 2016 Paul told the recently departed Larry King that he felt a kinship with Sanders and they both opposed corporatism and special favors to big business.

    Sanders being Jewish was never a problem for Paul. Paul's two biggest influences, Mises and Rothbard, were both Jewish. Murray Rothbard supported Paul as the Libertarian party candidate to push that party in a populist direction and later supported Pat Buchanan to push the Republican party in a more populist direction. Trump would not have been possible without Buchanan. Rothbard engaged in class analysis in his writings that drew on leftist historians like William Appleman Williams and back in the sixties had joined with leftists like Carl Oglesby, head of the SDS, in opposing the Vietnam war.

    So you can see here an outline of some of the issues that could bring together a populist left-right coalition.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    Bernie was actually against uncontrolled immigration until it was explained to him that such an opinion wasn’t allowed.

    • Agree: iffen
  8. @Paperback Writer

    This is why they really, really want Kamala Harris at the top. Any criticism of her is a gross violation of Woke sensibilities.
     
    Absolutely... AOC and Elizabeth Warren are both good on this.

    I didn't watch AOC on Twitch (that stuff bores me) but she's been tweeting about it. Naturally, being AOC she kvetches about Ted Cruz trying to kill her, but her heart's in the right place on this one subject.

    Warren has been all around the cable shows being her usual schoolmarmish self, but she knows the details and she sees this for what it is. On economic subjects, I could actually live with a President Warren, or a President Sanders. But we all know that was never going to be and why.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    AOC and Warren are identical in many ways and they are both on the right side here, even though it’s for the wrong reason.

    They don’t necessarily care that the retail investors got screwed by institutions because the institutions are bad guys. Rather, they care because they already think the institutions are bad guys anyway.

    Personally, I don’t care about the existence of billionaires so long as they earn it and don’t erect barriers to membership in their club, but the egregiousness of what happened yesterday (“You can’t trade these stocks because it costs our friends money”) is the first time in a long time that I wanted to personally storm the Bastille.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @JR Ewing


    so long as they earn it and don’t erect barriers to membership in their club
     
    Yes, I get the impression that this is a concern for some on the Right, even an overriding concern for some. Personally, I don’t have a dog in any fight between the rich and the filthy rich. My concern is that whoever has the money power have a sense of noblesse oblige toward me and mine, or at the very least, isn't hell bent on our destruction.

    I rather wish the old WASP elites had erected some barriers to entry in their club. There were enough class traitors among them to keep the scoundrels in check. Hence the 1924 immigration act.
  9. I visited the far left commondreams website today. All the comments about GameStop and the Robinhood app were identical to what I see on right wing sites and blogs. The same exact sentiment. As someone who prefers the populist extremes of both parties over the neolib center I found this to be quite encouraging. I never saw this much agreement before.

    • Replies: @V. Hickel
    @Jay Fink

    If we could just get them to ditch the anti-whitism, negro and immigrant worship, and sexualization of children, we might be able to deal.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

  10. @JR Ewing
    @Paperback Writer

    AOC and Warren are identical in many ways and they are both on the right side here, even though it's for the wrong reason.

    They don't necessarily care that the retail investors got screwed by institutions because the institutions are bad guys. Rather, they care because they already think the institutions are bad guys anyway.

    Personally, I don't care about the existence of billionaires so long as they earn it and don't erect barriers to membership in their club, but the egregiousness of what happened yesterday ("You can't trade these stocks because it costs our friends money") is the first time in a long time that I wanted to personally storm the Bastille.

    Replies: @Rosie

    so long as they earn it and don’t erect barriers to membership in their club

    Yes, I get the impression that this is a concern for some on the Right, even an overriding concern for some. Personally, I don’t have a dog in any fight between the rich and the filthy rich. My concern is that whoever has the money power have a sense of noblesse oblige toward me and mine, or at the very least, isn’t hell bent on our destruction.

    I rather wish the old WASP elites had erected some barriers to entry in their club. There were enough class traitors among them to keep the scoundrels in check. Hence the 1924 immigration act.

  11. A nice dream, but the populist right is defined by the ethnic factor. Without the ethnic factor it becomes the populist left.

    I define myself as populist left (up to a point, I dont really like labels), but as an Jew, its obvious that I must prefer the worst Woke tyranny than the populist right. Otherwise I am sympathetic to many of the non-racial aspects of the populist right, and even in areas where I am indifferent or disagree (marriage, porn, traditional values, hard work), I think right wing people should be allowed to live the way they want without interference (although I am disturbed by support on this site for imposing right wing values on everyone else).

    I dont see this in terms of a race war, but the populist right has defined itself by seeing this as a race war. That is the hill it has decided to die on. In this they are the mirror image of the Establishment, which also tries to push this fight as a race war.

    It is interesting again that both the Establishment and the populist right see this as a race war- they accept each others premises, and just disagree about the role each race plays.

    In fact, the Establishment and the populist right share an underlying world view. Which makes sense, since the populist right is merely trying to resurrect old racial hierarchies, and not create a new paradigm or imagine fresh alternatives.

    As someone who is against hierarchies in general, I cannot get excited by any world view whose fundamental premise is racial hierarchy- whether it comes from the Establishment or the populist right, whether my group is in on top or not.

    The fundamental problem here is that this fight is about “who gets to be the oppressor” – how the hierarchies are drawn- and not about how to create a more just and fair society for everyone. No one questions the notion of a hierarchy – they just fight over who gets to sit at the top of the pyramid and oppress everyone else.

    This is the disease pf human nature, and why there aren’t really political solutions to the human conundrum, but only spiritual solutions. Sure, some societies are worse than others, and there are evils that can be ameliorate through politics, but no fundamental change in the human predicament can take place through politics.

    Moreover, those who sit at the top of a hierarchy are as unfree and unhappy as those who sit on the bottom. They too are slaves of the system and dependent on their underlings, and they too must live in fear and anxiety, and work hard to keep the system going and maintain their position.

    What is the solution if not politics? Perhaps it is dropping out – you can’t fix the world, but maybe, you can not participate. If fighting only makes things worse, maybe we can be like Bartleby the Scrivener in Melville’s immortal story, and when called upon to do our part to keep the wretched system going, simply – not fight, not confront, not oppose, but, simply….”prefer not to“?

    Go fishing instead. Sit in a Cafe and read a book. The systems depends on your energy and labor, on you investing into it, on you buying into it and believing your options are what it tells you.

    Instead of revolution, which always installs a worse tyranny, you simply- cut off the electricity.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @AaronB


    In fact, the Establishment and the populist right share an underlying world view. Which makes sense, since the populist right is merely trying to resurrect old racial hierarchies, and not create a new paradigm or .
     
    White countries for White people is not an "old racial hierarchy." It is self-determination.

    imagine fresh alternatives
     
    Why should we be interested in any "fresh alternatives" that don't include White people? This is another question I keep asking and never getting an answer to.

    As you say yourself, "as a Jew..."

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Mr. Rational
    @AaronB


    As someone who is against hierarchies in general
     
    In other words, you're against human nature.

    It's time for you to get out of White society and be among your own people, instead of trying to re-form us as the "cattle" in your vision of what the world should be.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Curle
    @AaronB

    “ I cannot get excited by any world view whose fundamental premise is racial hierarchy”

    The fundamental premise is don’t fight nature.

    , @dfordoom
    @AaronB


    It is interesting again that both the Establishment and the populist right see this as a race war- they accept each others premises, and just disagree about the role each race plays.
     
    Yep. The populist right has agreed to fight the battle the Establishment wants them to fight, according to the Establishment's rules and on ground of the Establishment's choosing. That's not the way sane people fight a war.
  12. 1. Nick Fuentes has been arguing that the populist right trying to build bridges with the populist left is hopeless. See AOC’s petty swipes at Cruz yesterday. I’m in agreement with Nick. I don’t want to be friends with leftists in any case. How does that benefit us?

    2. Get called a nazi/white supremecist enough, and you start to think you are one. Five years ago I’d never have thought I’d be fine with being a nazi. But it doesn’t bother me at all now- especially compared to the alternatives.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Catdog

    >Get called a nazi/white supremecist enough, and you start to think you are one.

    No, you don't. Not if you are aware of what actual Nazism or white supremacy-the real thing-was. Most SJWs are too stupid for that. As are, of course, most actual, real neo-Nazis or white supremacists. Some people are just too stupid to be bothered with. Anybody who sees the ghost of Hitler or the Klan everywhere is, and certainly anybody who actually admires the man or the organization in the 21st Century is.

    In actual history, the German ultra-nationalist Nazis (with the concerns of pre-war German radical ultra-nationalists, not American Klansmen, let alone the modern alt-right) wanted to kill tens of millions of Poles and Russians while making alliances with Muslims and East Asians. Does that sound very pan-white to you?

    Replies: @Catdog

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Catdog

    It's not a question of building bridges. It's a question of making a strategic alliance when conditions warrant.

    So Nick Fuentes, who happens to be a POS, is wrong. And you're wrong if you follow him.

    Nebulafox is right about the Nazi thing. You need boundaries.

    Replies: @Catdog

  13. I am likely somewhat naive here, but is there any reason the progressive left and the populist right can’t work together on issues on which they agree, and slug it out (metaphorically speaking) on issues on which they disagree?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @RSDB

    The right populists who try to will be barraged with comments like the ones from neutral and Kent Nationalist; the left populists who try to will be barraged with comments about legitimizing racists. Can that be overcome? Hope so, but don't know.

  14. Givens surname from my Tennessee grandmother gives me Scotch-Irish blood just like Andrew Jackson had and Andrew Jackson fought back against the money-grubbing hedge fund managers of his day in the Biddle mob just like these day trader Jacksonians are doing now and the Neoliberal Globalizer money-grubbers can go straight to the hottest pits of fiery HELL!

    Romney is a Pratt and I am a Prewitt — hundred ways to spell it — and the Virginia Company will crush those evil treasonous money-grubbing globalizer goons in the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire!

    I’ll call them Scotch-Irish if I want and I don’t want to hear no crap about Scotch being a drink!

    We all knew the Pratt vs Prewitt armageddon battle of the ages would arrive and we were just waiting for the moment all our lives and finally it has arrived and we must utilize the power for good that God has given us to crush the Globalizers and the Money-Grubbers and the Oligarchs and the Plutocrats and the politician whores and the vicious whores in the corporate propaganda apparatus who attack the historic American nation.

    Some of the Pratts ain’t bad like that Suzanne Pratt beautiful raven haired dish with the Natalie Merchant pronunciations I used to watch on the Nightly Business Report and Pratt and Whitney started out making gears that fit and function decent like and they’re okay too but that ROMNEY PRATT gang can go straight to bloody HELL!

    This stock market stuff is great fun and the comedy from the regular people against the hedge fund billionaire scum is hilarious!

    DAMMIT!

    https://twitter.com/HueyPilled/status/1355147644360925185?s=20

    https://twitter.com/ChristusPax/status/1354832647080595463?s=20

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Charles Pewitt

    Good God.

    "Insulting humor is still insulting." "Irreverent humor is still irreverent."

    It is the death of comedy.

  15. Tweets from 2015:

  16. https://twitter.com/somefellow6/status/1354985509072891904?s=20

    https://twitter.com/westwood_will/status/1354933446355808261?s=20

    Tweet from 2014:

  17. If there is ever a chance for the populist right and populist left to look up instead of glaring across the room at one another, this is it. For the right’s part, this is the time to follow dfordoom’s advice and point out the power and class dynamics at play, not obsess over the ethnic ones. To make progress with the left, come at things from the left.

    The Populist Left had openings:
    — Greece / Syriza
    — Italy / Five Star

    They failed because they fundamentally believe in UN/NWO internationalism. This makes them easy marks for Globalist MegaCorporations. Open Borders exist to provide cheap labor to SJW Elite firms.

    Helping workers means taking on the forces that harm workers. Migration without assimilation is an unmitigated disaster in the U.S. and it us even worse in Europe. Allowing predators like the Elite CCP to transfer jobs out of the U S. and monopolize strategic industries makes U.S.workers poorer.

    Despite SJW Globalist resistance, Trump was gaining ground for U.S. workers of all races (see below). The anti-science response to WUHAN-19 and the “Russia, Russia, Russia” scare were all about blunting Trump’s track record of victory. The Left bought the fiction — Hook, Line, & Sinker.

    The Elite CCP and Globalist MegaCorporations are a single force driving a dagger into the heart of American Workers. You cannot fight one without the other. Alas, I do not believe that the Left is ready to fight CCP Corporate exploitation. They are ecstatic to have Jamie Dimon on one knee for SJW Values. The left cannot grasp that SJW Values and UN/NWO Globalism are camouflage for taking jobs & money away from U.S. Workers.

    PEACE 😇
     

  18. @Rosie

    If there is ever a chance for the populist right and populist left to look up instead of glaring across the room at one another, this is it.
     
    Populists on the right and left can never have more than an uneasy, temporary, tactical alliance. Populists of the right want a fair distribution of national wealth. Populists of the left want to give it all away to foreigners. Or maybe they don't, but at the very least, they are too brainwashed and/or cowed to countenance any policy that would effectively prevent that outcome (Nazi!). As such, they are useless at best.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @MBlanc46

    But will the current definitions of “Right” and “Left” and the traditional boundary lines between Democrat and Republican matter that much in 10 years? They aren’t some invariant force of nature. Just look at the electoral map of 1976.

    I suspect the long-term impact of the GameStop shenanigans is that a majority of my generation is going to become radically, concretely pro-capital gains tax for life rather than vaguely so or indifferent. And that’s going to be solely predicated on whether you benefit from the current setup in the financial sector or not. Most don’t. This is regardless of what party you vote for, what color your skin is, what chromosomes you have, what region you are from, or what your personality is. More and more people don’t have any stake in the current status quo, and therefore will not defend it-at the very minimum-from people who want to burn it down.

    The impact of this is decades down the line will be that any politician who wishes to survive in office has to be, too. It’s going to be the equivalent of not appearing pro-Communist in the 1950s.

    I don’t think partisan divides are going to go away-far from it, in some ways they’ll be more bitter than ever. But I also doubt that they’ll sound the same as today. One thing that I don’t think you’ll see much of a constituency for is defending The Sanctity Of The Market: not after observing the response of the people who shrieked about this (and gave you the bootstraps speech) to kleptocrats rigging that market, on the tails of decades of elite cronyism and mismanagement. The only exceptions are going to be people on track to be in that inner circle who also believe things are tenable, and there just isn’t going to be enough of them.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @nebulafox

    Good points. And the fact of the matter is that this info is so widespread that even my teenage son knows the basics of what is going on with GameStop (a place my boys like to visit) and the market. It’s as if these guys picked a fight with Chuck E Cheese’s or something. I talked him through what’s going on and he actually had a fairly good grasp of the dynamics. He is already being introduced to the corruption in the market and the idea of financial elites and inner circles years before I had any clue about it.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Bill Jones

  19. @Catdog
    1. Nick Fuentes has been arguing that the populist right trying to build bridges with the populist left is hopeless. See AOC's petty swipes at Cruz yesterday. I'm in agreement with Nick. I don't want to be friends with leftists in any case. How does that benefit us?

    2. Get called a nazi/white supremecist enough, and you start to think you are one. Five years ago I'd never have thought I'd be fine with being a nazi. But it doesn't bother me at all now- especially compared to the alternatives.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Paperback Writer

    >Get called a nazi/white supremecist enough, and you start to think you are one.

    No, you don’t. Not if you are aware of what actual Nazism or white supremacy-the real thing-was. Most SJWs are too stupid for that. As are, of course, most actual, real neo-Nazis or white supremacists. Some people are just too stupid to be bothered with. Anybody who sees the ghost of Hitler or the Klan everywhere is, and certainly anybody who actually admires the man or the organization in the 21st Century is.

    In actual history, the German ultra-nationalist Nazis (with the concerns of pre-war German radical ultra-nationalists, not American Klansmen, let alone the modern alt-right) wanted to kill tens of millions of Poles and Russians while making alliances with Muslims and East Asians. Does that sound very pan-white to you?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Catdog
    @nebulafox

    Who cares? Ancient history. Hardly anyone is even still alive from back then. My friends and I are called nazis now- as in current year, here in America, not 80 years ago on the other side of the world.

    If they want to call me a nazi, fine. It has no more sting than if they called me a Jacobite, a Royalist, or a Hussite. And a groveling denial that I'm any of those things would be equally useless.

  20. @nebulafox
    @Catdog

    >Get called a nazi/white supremecist enough, and you start to think you are one.

    No, you don't. Not if you are aware of what actual Nazism or white supremacy-the real thing-was. Most SJWs are too stupid for that. As are, of course, most actual, real neo-Nazis or white supremacists. Some people are just too stupid to be bothered with. Anybody who sees the ghost of Hitler or the Klan everywhere is, and certainly anybody who actually admires the man or the organization in the 21st Century is.

    In actual history, the German ultra-nationalist Nazis (with the concerns of pre-war German radical ultra-nationalists, not American Klansmen, let alone the modern alt-right) wanted to kill tens of millions of Poles and Russians while making alliances with Muslims and East Asians. Does that sound very pan-white to you?

    Replies: @Catdog

    Who cares? Ancient history. Hardly anyone is even still alive from back then. My friends and I are called nazis now- as in current year, here in America, not 80 years ago on the other side of the world.

    If they want to call me a nazi, fine. It has no more sting than if they called me a Jacobite, a Royalist, or a Hussite. And a groveling denial that I’m any of those things would be equally useless.

    • Agree: Daniel Williams
  21. To make progress with the left, come at things from the left.

    Sounds good in theory, but what’s their stance on abortion?

  22. I’m ok with Warren wanting a ‘wealth tax’ as long as ‘income taxes’ are cut in return. If Stephen A. Cohen or Leon Black wants to hang a $100 million painting on their mansion walls let them but make them pay a million dollars per year for the privilege. There is no good economic reason to allow people to amass fortunes in the tens of billions. The only reason Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos or the Walton family want more money is because money at their scale is power, not wealth. They already have more money than any one could possibly spend.

    OTOH why tax a successful persons income at 40%. That’s money they had to work to earn. Do we want to discourage a skilled surgeon, talented writer or anyone who gets paid a lot from working. That surgeon might decide he’ll just play golf on Wednesday instead of performing surgery since he will face a punitive tax rate on any additional income.

    As to a political alliance, I could tolerate a Tulsi Gabbard as president a lot more than Joe Biden ( or Mitt Romney for that matter)

    • Replies: @anon
    @unit472

    I’m ok with Warren wanting a ‘wealth tax’ as long as ‘income taxes’ are cut in return.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/ZqlvCTNHpqrio/giphy.gif

    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @unit472

    Something tells me a wealth tax will harm the people who most often get the short end of the stick, the middle class. The very wealthy will, as they always do, hire the best tax attorneys money can buy to find the loopholes, and the poor don't have enough assets to care one way or another. It will be middle class homeowners who have equity in their home and/or own a small but prosperous family business that is passed down from generation to generation that get harmed.

    Replies: @unit472

  23. @unit472
    I'm ok with Warren wanting a 'wealth tax' as long as 'income taxes' are cut in return. If Stephen A. Cohen or Leon Black wants to hang a $100 million painting on their mansion walls let them but make them pay a million dollars per year for the privilege. There is no good economic reason to allow people to amass fortunes in the tens of billions. The only reason Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos or the Walton family want more money is because money at their scale is power, not wealth. They already have more money than any one could possibly spend.

    OTOH why tax a successful persons income at 40%. That's money they had to work to earn. Do we want to discourage a skilled surgeon, talented writer or anyone who gets paid a lot from working. That surgeon might decide he'll just play golf on Wednesday instead of performing surgery since he will face a punitive tax rate on any additional income.

    As to a political alliance, I could tolerate a Tulsi Gabbard as president a lot more than Joe Biden ( or Mitt Romney for that matter)

    Replies: @anon, @Sgt. Joe Friday

    I’m ok with Warren wanting a ‘wealth tax’ as long as ‘income taxes’ are cut in return.

  24. Looks like we have Reddit Nazi investors holocausting Jewish Wall Street 3/30 insiders. It’s anuddah shoah, I tell you!

  25. Audie, as a friend, I’m telling you; watch ya-seff…

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhD1kk8iqgI4Pu3K4d

  26. @unit472
    I'm ok with Warren wanting a 'wealth tax' as long as 'income taxes' are cut in return. If Stephen A. Cohen or Leon Black wants to hang a $100 million painting on their mansion walls let them but make them pay a million dollars per year for the privilege. There is no good economic reason to allow people to amass fortunes in the tens of billions. The only reason Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos or the Walton family want more money is because money at their scale is power, not wealth. They already have more money than any one could possibly spend.

    OTOH why tax a successful persons income at 40%. That's money they had to work to earn. Do we want to discourage a skilled surgeon, talented writer or anyone who gets paid a lot from working. That surgeon might decide he'll just play golf on Wednesday instead of performing surgery since he will face a punitive tax rate on any additional income.

    As to a political alliance, I could tolerate a Tulsi Gabbard as president a lot more than Joe Biden ( or Mitt Romney for that matter)

    Replies: @anon, @Sgt. Joe Friday

    Something tells me a wealth tax will harm the people who most often get the short end of the stick, the middle class. The very wealthy will, as they always do, hire the best tax attorneys money can buy to find the loopholes, and the poor don’t have enough assets to care one way or another. It will be middle class homeowners who have equity in their home and/or own a small but prosperous family business that is passed down from generation to generation that get harmed.

    • Replies: @unit472
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    I don't think anyone is contemplating a wealth tax on modest fortunes. I wouldn't even consider it for anyone whose wealth was under $50 million and, like income taxes, it would be progressive. Say 1/2 % for those with assets between 50 and $100 million. 1 % for those with assets between 100 million and a billion and 2% for assets over $1 billion.

    The idea would be to make those with idle pools of capital invest in something that generates income instead of dead artists, antique cars, tropical islands, third or fourth mansions etc.

  27. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @unit472

    Something tells me a wealth tax will harm the people who most often get the short end of the stick, the middle class. The very wealthy will, as they always do, hire the best tax attorneys money can buy to find the loopholes, and the poor don't have enough assets to care one way or another. It will be middle class homeowners who have equity in their home and/or own a small but prosperous family business that is passed down from generation to generation that get harmed.

    Replies: @unit472

    I don’t think anyone is contemplating a wealth tax on modest fortunes. I wouldn’t even consider it for anyone whose wealth was under $50 million and, like income taxes, it would be progressive. Say 1/2 % for those with assets between 50 and $100 million. 1 % for those with assets between 100 million and a billion and 2% for assets over $1 billion.

    The idea would be to make those with idle pools of capital invest in something that generates income instead of dead artists, antique cars, tropical islands, third or fourth mansions etc.

  28. Everything the neo-liberal establishment doesn’t like is “white supremacy”.

    Controlling language and definitions is the key to controlling everything else. In the late ’90’s congress passed feel-good legislation that brought the idea of “hate crimes” into being. Actually, it was only feel-good for moderates and those on the center right….it was a calculated strategy for those on the hard left. Legislators were too stupid to see that it was an effort to control language within culture and transform everything the left didn’t like into a hateful virus that would infect everything with its evil; if “hate” is a “crime” that shouldn’t be tolerated, then why should hate speech be tolerated? Oh, and WE get to define “hate.”

  29. @Catdog
    1. Nick Fuentes has been arguing that the populist right trying to build bridges with the populist left is hopeless. See AOC's petty swipes at Cruz yesterday. I'm in agreement with Nick. I don't want to be friends with leftists in any case. How does that benefit us?

    2. Get called a nazi/white supremecist enough, and you start to think you are one. Five years ago I'd never have thought I'd be fine with being a nazi. But it doesn't bother me at all now- especially compared to the alternatives.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Paperback Writer

    It’s not a question of building bridges. It’s a question of making a strategic alliance when conditions warrant.

    So Nick Fuentes, who happens to be a POS, is wrong. And you’re wrong if you follow him.

    Nebulafox is right about the Nazi thing. You need boundaries.

    • Replies: @Catdog
    @Paperback Writer

    What do you think a strategic alliance with leftists is going to look like?

    Why are eager to make an alliance with the people who were burning, looting and murdering all summer while you're also pearl clutching about Jan 6?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  30. @Jay Fink
    I visited the far left commondreams website today. All the comments about GameStop and the Robinhood app were identical to what I see on right wing sites and blogs. The same exact sentiment. As someone who prefers the populist extremes of both parties over the neolib center I found this to be quite encouraging. I never saw this much agreement before.

    Replies: @V. Hickel

    If we could just get them to ditch the anti-whitism, negro and immigrant worship, and sexualization of children, we might be able to deal.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @V. Hickel

    I thought all the racial stuff came from centrist Democrats to distract the far left from economic populism. We just have to make them aware of it.

    Replies: @Curle

  31. @Paperback Writer
    @Catdog

    It's not a question of building bridges. It's a question of making a strategic alliance when conditions warrant.

    So Nick Fuentes, who happens to be a POS, is wrong. And you're wrong if you follow him.

    Nebulafox is right about the Nazi thing. You need boundaries.

    Replies: @Catdog

    What do you think a strategic alliance with leftists is going to look like?

    Why are eager to make an alliance with the people who were burning, looting and murdering all summer while you’re also pearl clutching about Jan 6?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Catdog


    What do you think a strategic alliance with leftists is going to look like?

     

    On the subject of insiders taking advantage while outsiders get shat on, pretty good.

    Why are eager to make an alliance with the people who were burning, looting and murdering all summer while you’re also pearl clutching about Jan 6?

     

    I'll work with anyone to achieve an objective that benefits me.

    I don't wear pearls. They make a nice gift though.
  32. @nebulafox
    @Rosie

    But will the current definitions of "Right" and "Left" and the traditional boundary lines between Democrat and Republican matter that much in 10 years? They aren't some invariant force of nature. Just look at the electoral map of 1976.

    I suspect the long-term impact of the GameStop shenanigans is that a majority of my generation is going to become radically, concretely pro-capital gains tax for life rather than vaguely so or indifferent. And that's going to be solely predicated on whether you benefit from the current setup in the financial sector or not. Most don't. This is regardless of what party you vote for, what color your skin is, what chromosomes you have, what region you are from, or what your personality is. More and more people don't have any stake in the current status quo, and therefore will not defend it-at the very minimum-from people who want to burn it down.

    The impact of this is decades down the line will be that any politician who wishes to survive in office has to be, too. It's going to be the equivalent of not appearing pro-Communist in the 1950s.

    https://twitter.com/TheAgeofShoddy/status/1354835543973126149

    I don't think partisan divides are going to go away-far from it, in some ways they'll be more bitter than ever. But I also doubt that they'll sound the same as today. One thing that I don't think you'll see much of a constituency for is defending The Sanctity Of The Market: not after observing the response of the people who shrieked about this (and gave you the bootstraps speech) to kleptocrats rigging that market, on the tails of decades of elite cronyism and mismanagement. The only exceptions are going to be people on track to be in that inner circle who also believe things are tenable, and there just isn't going to be enough of them.

    Replies: @Talha

    Good points. And the fact of the matter is that this info is so widespread that even my teenage son knows the basics of what is going on with GameStop (a place my boys like to visit) and the market. It’s as if these guys picked a fight with Chuck E Cheese’s or something. I talked him through what’s going on and he actually had a fairly good grasp of the dynamics. He is already being introduced to the corruption in the market and the idea of financial elites and inner circles years before I had any clue about it.

    Peace.

    • Thanks: Genrick Yagoda
    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    @Talha

    I can’t imagine what it must be like to be a teenager with today’s access to information. An older child’s energy, enthusiasm, and ability to learn meets instant access to all the world’s knowledge basically for free. It’s incredible.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Bill Jones
    @Talha

    Many years ago there was a minor (much needed) effort to defund PBS.
    The shitlibs had the soccer moms out in droves whingeing about the upcoming Muppet-cide.

    Replies: @Talha

  33. most of the challenges to the establishment’s supremacy is axiomatically ‘white supremacy’ now because the establishment is mostly jews, and the people offering any real resistance are european men, so it’s algorithmically accurate at this point from their perspective.

    indeed, they are now using the euphemism ‘our democracy’ to identify themselves as the regime. and we must protect ‘our democracy’. a phrase you’ll be seeing and hearing over and over. ‘our republic’ is probably not a phrase you’ll hear much ever again, and likely something they associate with the bad old days.

    from this point forward, ‘democracy’ mainly means jews run everything, and you never get anything you want. so you see, we must protect that system. we must protect ‘our democracy’.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
    @prime noticer


    indeed, they are now using the euphemism ‘our democracy’
     
    I’ve noticed this as well and I have always found the phrase creepy. Years ago, during the W administration I went on a multicountry Euro vacation with my girlfriend. During our stay in Berlin we stayed at the home of a German colonel who had hosted her a couple years earlier as a foreign exchange student. I have always remembered his use of this sanctimonious phrase. I distinctly remember his using the phrase while simultaneously chiding then PM Schroder for opposing Bush’s Iraq War “just to gain favor with the voters.” “Our Democracy”, as in “Not Yours!”
  34. @prime noticer
    most of the challenges to the establishment's supremacy is axiomatically 'white supremacy' now because the establishment is mostly jews, and the people offering any real resistance are european men, so it's algorithmically accurate at this point from their perspective.

    indeed, they are now using the euphemism 'our democracy' to identify themselves as the regime. and we must protect 'our democracy'. a phrase you'll be seeing and hearing over and over. 'our republic' is probably not a phrase you'll hear much ever again, and likely something they associate with the bad old days.

    from this point forward, 'democracy' mainly means jews run everything, and you never get anything you want. so you see, we must protect that system. we must protect 'our democracy'.

    Replies: @Mario Partisan

    indeed, they are now using the euphemism ‘our democracy’

    I’ve noticed this as well and I have always found the phrase creepy. Years ago, during the W administration I went on a multicountry Euro vacation with my girlfriend. During our stay in Berlin we stayed at the home of a German colonel who had hosted her a couple years earlier as a foreign exchange student. I have always remembered his use of this sanctimonious phrase. I distinctly remember his using the phrase while simultaneously chiding then PM Schroder for opposing Bush’s Iraq War “just to gain favor with the voters.” “Our Democracy”, as in “Not Yours!”

  35. @Catdog
    @Paperback Writer

    What do you think a strategic alliance with leftists is going to look like?

    Why are eager to make an alliance with the people who were burning, looting and murdering all summer while you're also pearl clutching about Jan 6?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    What do you think a strategic alliance with leftists is going to look like?

    On the subject of insiders taking advantage while outsiders get shat on, pretty good.

    Why are eager to make an alliance with the people who were burning, looting and murdering all summer while you’re also pearl clutching about Jan 6?

    I’ll work with anyone to achieve an objective that benefits me.

    I don’t wear pearls. They make a nice gift though.

  36. @Talha
    @nebulafox

    Good points. And the fact of the matter is that this info is so widespread that even my teenage son knows the basics of what is going on with GameStop (a place my boys like to visit) and the market. It’s as if these guys picked a fight with Chuck E Cheese’s or something. I talked him through what’s going on and he actually had a fairly good grasp of the dynamics. He is already being introduced to the corruption in the market and the idea of financial elites and inner circles years before I had any clue about it.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Bill Jones

    I can’t imagine what it must be like to be a teenager with today’s access to information. An older child’s energy, enthusiasm, and ability to learn meets instant access to all the world’s knowledge basically for free. It’s incredible.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Daniel Williams

    Yeah - it’s a bit overwhelming. You have to try to shield them to a degree (for their own good) but it is very difficult. Currently my youngest real wants a VR helmet and game system and I’m holding the line. I think it’s a bridge too far.

    Peace.

    Replies: @anon

  37. @Kent Nationalist

    For the right’s part, this is the time to follow dfordoom’s advice and point out the power and class dynamics at play, not obsess over the ethnic ones. To make progress with the left, come at things from the left.
     
    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews? Or are you going to tiptoe around frightened in fear of stepping on a twig and spooking the skittish normie?

    Replies: @Lot, @dfordoom, @Reg Cæsar

    “ Or are you going to tiptoe around frightened in fear of stepping on a twig and spooking the skittish normie?”

    Yes, spooking a skittish normie should be a concern.

    But you miss a few other important reasons to “tiptoe around the JQ”

    1. The awesome vengeance the Js who don’t like being Q’d will wreck upon you

    2. Antisemites are about as popular as pedos in mainstream America. People correctly associate it with a diseased brain, since paranoid schizophrenics are obsessed with Jews.

    3. Antisemitism is further politically impossible in America because too much of the elite and upper-middle class is Jewish, partly Jewish, married to Jews, or with partly Jewish grandchildren. For example, all of Clinton, Kerry, Trump, Biden, and Kamala.

    The proper reaction here is to develop and advocate your positions in accordance with these realities, not impotently shake your fist at them. Just ask this guy:

  38. White Men are the only people that will fight and die for freedom.
    That makes them the enemy of the globalists.
    Globalism is slavery by another name.

    Corvinus and dfordoom are tribe. Just so you know.
    I can spot them easily. They have patterns of behavior and speech.
    I could spot them from outer space.

    The System is rigged. The Wall Street debacle this week shows it again.
    The Hedge Fund Jews lost a lot of funny monies to small gamer groups.
    Sabotage, subvert and smile, everyone.

    Push the Zionist System over. Its a pushover now.
    Bankrupt, both financially and morally.
    FIGHT THE POWER!

  39. First off, let me say, AE, that I have appreciated your periodic non-data posts over the last several months.

    It’s been somehow simultaneously amazing and not at all to listen to the Woke neo-liberal establishment struggle to tie literally every issue to some race baiting divide and conquer narrative. It’s like the entire establishment has regressed to the mentality of 7th graders, constantly calling everything they don’t like “white supremacist” aka the new “that’s gay!”

    (It’s worth noting that Reddit was also a gathering spot for some of the most ardent Trump supporters in 2016.)

    No it’s not “worth noting,” CNN! Your noting that is nothing more than a blatant attempt to use Trump as a human shield to hide behind while you carry water for billionaire financial speculators.

    Now, regarding the idea of an alliance of sorts between the populist right and left, let me say that such a thing would be beautiful. For those who think it’s totally impossible, let me say that people like me are testimony to the existence of a receptive demographic. I spent most of my twenties identifying as “far left”, even of the card carrying variety for some time. And yet, these days, I would not chaff at the alt-right label. What changed? Did I change? Did the Left change?

    [MORE]

    As I often do, I was recently reading one of Mr. Wang Lin of Lagos’ posts and he was discussing the phenomenon of “belief clusters.” The idea is that people tend to pick a political team because that team speaks to a set of issues that they care about. For one reason or another, a set of other beliefs is also associated with that team. Those who join the team will typically defend all of the beliefs, even the ones that, deep down, they don’t agree with, in order to remain in the good graces of the team. For example, I used to defend certain elements of Leftism (like feminism for example), even though it never really felt right, because I naively felt that they went along with anti-war and populist economic positions. Similarly, I think we can recall “conservatives” who defend the most vulgar manifestations of vulture capitalism because they think it goes along with gun rights or traditional values.

    A key point to understand is that the establishment is very good at manipulating people based on these belief clusters. The Democrats, for example, have zero interest in anti-war or populist economics, but they understand that people who hold these positions, tend to also buy into elements of Wokism. Their electoral strategy is to garner votes by throwing woke bones at their base, but governing as warmongering plutocrats. In this way they can get their base to engage in apologetics for their actions. Similarly, the Republicans throw trad bones at their base, while governing as war mongering plutocrats. The dual strategy is to keep their core interests off the table of public debate while their respective bases babble about BS. Divide et impera, as always.

    The fact that the neo-liberal establishment has become so immature in its race rhetoric might actually be a sign that they are a bit desperate. If one’s response to every criticism is to hurl the Nazi label like a junior high schooler, it begs the question: is that all they got? (yes, it is.)

    In fact, this r/WSB fiasco should be incredibly revealing to people. A subreddit is allowed to stay active for years (despite “hate speech”) but they are shut down for “hate speech” the moment they cause speculators to lose $70 billion. What better example to illustrate that “hate speech” is nothing but a red herring?

    Now, I know what people are thinking: those who haven’t seen this yet are never going to, no matter what. That is probably true to a large extent. But for those still capable of some honest thought, these things might start to break some of those maladaptive belief clusters that keep much of the left beholden to the establishment.

    I’ll end with this: I live in a very blue state and I have friends who hate Trump (my position is a bit complicated) and voted for Biden. But they know me, like me, and know that I have good values even if I bash Wokism. Over the last couple years I’ve even brought some of them around to laughing at jokes about (((billionaire financial speculators))) and what would be considered tasteless ones at that. Let me tell you, there is a strong, if somewhat dormant, demand for cathartic comeuppance when it comes to the ruling class. A lot of lefties have a soft spot somewhere that can be an opening. It’s just a matter of using tact sometimes, finding places for agreement, letting them know you can see their view points and using some humor to get them to drop their guards. Given the censorship and ever present doxing and legal land mines around I think working angles on a personal level would probably be the best now.

    A couple things to remember: 1) from sales, it is more important that the buyer likes the salesman than the product; 2) from the old left: remember the distinction between War of Movement and War of Position. Before a spark can light a fire, the brush needs to be dry. Work on drying the brush with those who like you.

    • Thanks: Mark G., Audacious Epigone
  40. @Daniel Williams
    @Talha

    I can’t imagine what it must be like to be a teenager with today’s access to information. An older child’s energy, enthusiasm, and ability to learn meets instant access to all the world’s knowledge basically for free. It’s incredible.

    Replies: @Talha

    Yeah – it’s a bit overwhelming. You have to try to shield them to a degree (for their own good) but it is very difficult. Currently my youngest real wants a VR helmet and game system and I’m holding the line. I think it’s a bridge too far.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Talha

    Currently my youngest real wants a VR helmet and game system and I’m holding the line.

    Probably not a good idea for developmental reasons, as well as other reasons. We all spend too much time on screens as it is, VR is just a huge step further along.

    Some friends have given their teenaged children 3G flip phones with limited minutes / texts for communicating with each other and family. No smart phones. They probably look at stuff on friends smart phones, but don't need to have their own.

    I see people with children of maybe 5 years, dragging tablets around. That's not good for brain development or for eyeballs.

    Replies: @Talha

  41. @AaronB
    A nice dream, but the populist right is defined by the ethnic factor. Without the ethnic factor it becomes the populist left.

    I define myself as populist left (up to a point, I dont really like labels), but as an Jew, its obvious that I must prefer the worst Woke tyranny than the populist right. Otherwise I am sympathetic to many of the non-racial aspects of the populist right, and even in areas where I am indifferent or disagree (marriage, porn, traditional values, hard work), I think right wing people should be allowed to live the way they want without interference (although I am disturbed by support on this site for imposing right wing values on everyone else).

    I dont see this in terms of a race war, but the populist right has defined itself by seeing this as a race war. That is the hill it has decided to die on. In this they are the mirror image of the Establishment, which also tries to push this fight as a race war.

    It is interesting again that both the Establishment and the populist right see this as a race war- they accept each others premises, and just disagree about the role each race plays.

    In fact, the Establishment and the populist right share an underlying world view. Which makes sense, since the populist right is merely trying to resurrect old racial hierarchies, and not create a new paradigm or imagine fresh alternatives.

    As someone who is against hierarchies in general, I cannot get excited by any world view whose fundamental premise is racial hierarchy- whether it comes from the Establishment or the populist right, whether my group is in on top or not.

    The fundamental problem here is that this fight is about "who gets to be the oppressor" - how the hierarchies are drawn- and not about how to create a more just and fair society for everyone. No one questions the notion of a hierarchy - they just fight over who gets to sit at the top of the pyramid and oppress everyone else.

    This is the disease pf human nature, and why there aren't really political solutions to the human conundrum, but only spiritual solutions. Sure, some societies are worse than others, and there are evils that can be ameliorate through politics, but no fundamental change in the human predicament can take place through politics.

    Moreover, those who sit at the top of a hierarchy are as unfree and unhappy as those who sit on the bottom. They too are slaves of the system and dependent on their underlings, and they too must live in fear and anxiety, and work hard to keep the system going and maintain their position.

    What is the solution if not politics? Perhaps it is dropping out - you can't fix the world, but maybe, you can not participate. If fighting only makes things worse, maybe we can be like Bartleby the Scrivener in Melville's immortal story, and when called upon to do our part to keep the wretched system going, simply - not fight, not confront, not oppose, but, simply...."prefer not to"?

    Go fishing instead. Sit in a Cafe and read a book. The systems depends on your energy and labor, on you investing into it, on you buying into it and believing your options are what it tells you.

    Instead of revolution, which always installs a worse tyranny, you simply- cut off the electricity.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Rational, @Curle, @dfordoom

    In fact, the Establishment and the populist right share an underlying world view. Which makes sense, since the populist right is merely trying to resurrect old racial hierarchies, and not create a new paradigm or .

    White countries for White people is not an “old racial hierarchy.” It is self-determination.

    imagine fresh alternatives

    Why should we be interested in any “fresh alternatives” that don’t include White people? This is another question I keep asking and never getting an answer to.

    As you say yourself, “as a Jew…”

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Rosie


    White countries for White people is not an “old racial hierarchy.” It is self-determination
     
    Ok, but what does this mean for America? If you're trying to carve out an area in which White people who also see race as the crucial factor set up their own country, I can only be indifferent to that. If that's what you want, I wouldn't opppse it - I believe everyone should be allowed to live and organize as far as possible as they like so long as they don't interfere with others - but I obviously cannot be expected to be enthusiastic about it.

    If that's your scenario, I'm not your ally, but I'm not your enemy - it just has nothing to do with me. I'm happy to interact only with that segment of the White race who has no problem interacting with Jews and other ethnic and racial groups.

    But if you're fighting for a "common" destiny for America, then your hostility to Jews obviously interferes with me, and makes me into your enemy.

    While I despise Woke ideology, partly because of its racism and anti-White animus, as a Jew I must fight you to the bitter end to prevent your form of racism from becoming the official version of America, even though I may be sympathetic to you in other areas.

    And while Woke ideology is hideous and racist, at least it contains a twisted "moral" core - in that it insists that group outcomes be "equal", so that if Whites become disadvantaged at some point it is at least conceivable that it will then start advocating for Whites (if its not entirely just a hypocritical front for anti-White racism, which it may be for some people, but I don't think everyone).

    In your vision, racial hierarchies are final and absolute.

    Why should we be interested in any “fresh alternatives” that don’t include White people? This is another question I keep asking and never getting an answer to.
     
    Certainly fresh alternatives should include White people, as people, but without explicitly singling out their race. Both the Establishment and right wing populism tell us the most significant thing about a person is their race. A fresh alternative would reject that - it would break out of that old paradigm and offer different forms of identity and different causes to fight for.

    It is regrettable that in the modern West, after eviscerating culture and religion, the biological category of race is all that's left to rally around. This is a legacy of the Enlightenment. It may be time to break out of this limiting paradigm and imagine new ways of thinking about oneself and community.

    Replies: @Rosie, @gavor

  42. This is slightly OT, but since we’re talking about Wall Street fat cats pigs, I thought I’d share this cartoon from Hunter Wallace’s site that pretty much sums up my feelings about what the women’s movement has become.

    1000 words, indeed.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  43. @Rosie

    If there is ever a chance for the populist right and populist left to look up instead of glaring across the room at one another, this is it.
     
    Populists on the right and left can never have more than an uneasy, temporary, tactical alliance. Populists of the right want a fair distribution of national wealth. Populists of the left want to give it all away to foreigners. Or maybe they don't, but at the very least, they are too brainwashed and/or cowed to countenance any policy that would effectively prevent that outcome (Nazi!). As such, they are useless at best.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @MBlanc46

    I might put it “They all want to be Stalin—or maybe Mao—and we want a bit of freedom”, but you’re essentially right on this, Rosie.

  44. @Kent Nationalist

    For the right’s part, this is the time to follow dfordoom’s advice and point out the power and class dynamics at play, not obsess over the ethnic ones. To make progress with the left, come at things from the left.
     
    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews? Or are you going to tiptoe around frightened in fear of stepping on a twig and spooking the skittish normie?

    Replies: @Lot, @dfordoom, @Reg Cæsar

    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews?

    Obviously if there’s ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.

    As I’ve said many times, there are a lot of people on the far right who want to lose. They seem to be in love with the perverse glamour of lost causes.

    Paranoiacs don’t want to win. They want to find ways of confirming their paranoia.

    And those paranoiacs have succeeded in wrecking the chances of right-wing populism.

    • Replies: @MarkU
    @dfordoom


    Obviously if there’s ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.
     
    I beg to differ, it really is important whether something is true or not. I agree with you to the extent that the problem is not the Jews, as if Jewish people were a monolithic conglomerate all following some sort of sinister group agenda. However, it is undeniable that there is a large and powerful Jewish bloc that has had a disproportionate and malignant influence on the US the UK and several other European countries as well. You cannot pretend that something doesn't exist because it contradicts your ideological stance or because it is inconvenient for the line of argument that you wish to pursue.

    If ever there was the slightest chance of forming a broad based coalition it will be because there are a sufficient of people who care whether something is really true or not, rather than whether it helps their argument or their side to assert that it is.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @dfordoom

    An explicitly Jewish organisation (the CST) is currently engaging in censoring Bitchute in Britain, just like the ADL has in America. You are either very ignorant, very stupid or a liar.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @anon
    @dfordoom


    Obviously if there’s ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.
     
    Or, the smart move by concern trolling libs like yourseff is to take a page from the jewish playbook and slander legitimate criticism as paranoia in a spectacular example of psychological projection gone wild.

    When a very specific group is conspicuously over-represented among the ranks of people actively subverting White America with malevolently vocal support for mass nonWhite immigration, and leading the antiWhite psychoterror campaign by pushing degeneracy and critical race theory down the throats of every White person age 2 to 99, then it is not whining nor paranoia to point out this reality and criticize it.

    In fact, it is a morally righteous imperative, because to cower in fear of jewish slander is to relegate your posterity to even worse predations.

    Jeiwsh power and malice toward Heritage America is such a paranoid conspiracy theory that mass censorship, deplatformings, demonetizations, and blacklistings must be necessary to teach people not to believe in such conspiracy theories.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  45. @V. Hickel
    @Jay Fink

    If we could just get them to ditch the anti-whitism, negro and immigrant worship, and sexualization of children, we might be able to deal.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    I thought all the racial stuff came from centrist Democrats to distract the far left from economic populism. We just have to make them aware of it.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Jay Fink

    The racial stuff comes from the oligarchs down to the centrist Ds and the civnats. Both civnats and centrist Ds have jobs aligned with the managerial class and they value respectability more than anything. The oligarchs, through their mouthpieces, control respectability.

    If the oligarch mouthpieces were to tell either the civnats or centrist Ds that necrophilia was respectable they’d both be promoting it. If you want a career you might want to start writing that book on the joys of necrophilia.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  46. @dfordoom
    @Kent Nationalist


    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews?
     
    Obviously if there's ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.

    As I've said many times, there are a lot of people on the far right who want to lose. They seem to be in love with the perverse glamour of lost causes.

    Paranoiacs don't want to win. They want to find ways of confirming their paranoia.

    And those paranoiacs have succeeded in wrecking the chances of right-wing populism.

    Replies: @MarkU, @Kent Nationalist, @anon

    Obviously if there’s ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.

    I beg to differ, it really is important whether something is true or not. I agree with you to the extent that the problem is not the Jews, as if Jewish people were a monolithic conglomerate all following some sort of sinister group agenda. However, it is undeniable that there is a large and powerful Jewish bloc that has had a disproportionate and malignant influence on the US the UK and several other European countries as well. You cannot pretend that something doesn’t exist because it contradicts your ideological stance or because it is inconvenient for the line of argument that you wish to pursue.

    If ever there was the slightest chance of forming a broad based coalition it will be because there are a sufficient of people who care whether something is really true or not, rather than whether it helps their argument or their side to assert that it is.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @MarkU


    I beg to differ, it really is important whether something is true or not.
     
    In politics it doesn't matter a damn if something is true or not. Politics is not about truth. Politics is about opinions. There is no such thing as objective truth in politics. Political ideologies are just opinions.

    In politics when you're not in power or you're trying to avoid losing power what matters is how well you sell your product. It helps if you have a product worth buying. It helps a lot. But if you market the product poorly you lose. You might have a wonderful political ideology and lots of fantastic policy ideas but if you can't sell the product you're wasting your time. You're just LARPing.

    What matters is how effective your political strategy is. There's no perfect political strategy but some strategies are more effective than others. If you're adopting an unsuccessful strategy it doesn't matter how righteous you think your cause is, you lose. So if you're smart you drop unsuccessful strategies and adopt strategies that are more likely to work.

    In politics when you are in power what matters is if your policies work. No policy is completely right or completely wrong (we're talking about politics, not physics or philosophy or theology). Some policies work better than others. Those policies are worth keeping. Policies that work poorly should be dumped.

    It goes without saying that you should believe in the political product you're trying to market but political ideologies are still just opinions. If you want to convert others to your opinion you don't make the mistake of thinking that you and you alone have access to objective political truth because objective political truth doesn't exist.

    The first rule when trying to convert people to your political brand is do not come across as a crank or a nut. If you start going on about how evil the Jews are then people will dismiss you as a crank and a nut. Just as expressing anger and resentment towards women will get you dismissed as a crank and a nut.

    The populist right appears to have zero understanding of how a successful political strategy might look.
  47. Disagreement about school curriculum has not been mentioned. The populist left is “dynamic,” favoring the “refreshing” of the curriculum. The populist right favors a traditional middle-school and high-school curriculum. The concern of parents for what their children are taught will be greater than for tax rates and the like. I remember years ago when a leftist teacher gloated “We will win because we’ve got your children.” I think that populists on the right have had enough of that usurpation.

  48. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    @Daniel Williams

    Yeah - it’s a bit overwhelming. You have to try to shield them to a degree (for their own good) but it is very difficult. Currently my youngest real wants a VR helmet and game system and I’m holding the line. I think it’s a bridge too far.

    Peace.

    Replies: @anon

    Currently my youngest real wants a VR helmet and game system and I’m holding the line.

    Probably not a good idea for developmental reasons, as well as other reasons. We all spend too much time on screens as it is, VR is just a huge step further along.

    Some friends have given their teenaged children 3G flip phones with limited minutes / texts for communicating with each other and family. No smart phones. They probably look at stuff on friends smart phones, but don’t need to have their own.

    I see people with children of maybe 5 years, dragging tablets around. That’s not good for brain development or for eyeballs.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    @anon


    Some friends have given their teenaged children 3G flip phones with limited minutes / texts for communicating with each other and family.
     
    In our family, none of the kids gets a phone until high school and they have to have proven they can handle the responsibility before they get there. They have pointed out so many times how their other friends have had them since like 5th grade and I keep telling them that I’m not responsible for the mistakes of other parents.

    One of my spiritual teachers compromised with his daughter and got her a non-working old cell phone so that she could just show people she had one. It seems to have worked, there was a lot of pressure on the poor girl such that if you didn’t carry one around, it was as if you were a leper or something.

    Peace.
  49. @Kent Nationalist

    For the right’s part, this is the time to follow dfordoom’s advice and point out the power and class dynamics at play, not obsess over the ethnic ones. To make progress with the left, come at things from the left.
     
    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews? Or are you going to tiptoe around frightened in fear of stepping on a twig and spooking the skittish normie?

    Replies: @Lot, @dfordoom, @Reg Cæsar

    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews?

    As are the people, really the people behind the people, who legalized pornography, abortion, and contraceptives, and traded Christian prayer for Darwin in the public schools.

    Whenever I point these facts out, everyone here gets angry. So if you can’t say it in the freest outlet in town, where can you say it?

    • Troll: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @SafeNow
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Whenever I point these facts out, everyone here gets angry. So if you can’t say it in the freest outlet in town, where can you say it?”

    Well, some do get angry. But I think most people here are live-and-let-live, interested in learning about different views, interested in compromises.

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar

    You can go ahead and say it, but it needs to be qualified. Really, the Jewishness of these people is not the essential component behind their despicable behavior. The essential component is their cosmopolitanism. The Jews, being more or less a "finished" people since the days of Moses Maimonides---that is, being rootless, urbane, disconnected, intellectual, smug, contemptuous of nature, and money-grubbing---are by that very fact eminently fit to join the cosmopolitanism of the modern West, and that is the reason they are overrepresented there. But make no mistake, it is Western cosmopolitanism to which they have assimilated, not something alien in their Semitic character that they inflected upon us.

    Frankly, this discussion is about 100-130 years behind the times. Nietzsche and Spengler pointed this all out a century ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @dfordoom, @RichardTaylor, @Kent Nationalist

  50. This is why they really, really want Kamala Harris at the top. Any criticism of her is a gross violation of Woke sensibilities.

    Willie’s WAP.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Reg Cæsar

    this is all a movie and Kamala is nothing, ever.

  51. @Reg Cæsar

    This is why they really, really want Kamala Harris at the top. Any criticism of her is a gross violation of Woke sensibilities.

     

    Willie's WAP.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    this is all a movie and Kamala is nothing, ever.

  52. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kent Nationalist


    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews?
     
    As are the people, really the people behind the people, who legalized pornography, abortion, and contraceptives, and traded Christian prayer for Darwin in the public schools.

    Whenever I point these facts out, everyone here gets angry. So if you can't say it in the freest outlet in town, where can you say it?

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Intelligent Dasein

    “Whenever I point these facts out, everyone here gets angry. So if you can’t say it in the freest outlet in town, where can you say it?”

    Well, some do get angry. But I think most people here are live-and-let-live, interested in learning about different views, interested in compromises.

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kent Nationalist


    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews?
     
    As are the people, really the people behind the people, who legalized pornography, abortion, and contraceptives, and traded Christian prayer for Darwin in the public schools.

    Whenever I point these facts out, everyone here gets angry. So if you can't say it in the freest outlet in town, where can you say it?

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Intelligent Dasein

    You can go ahead and say it, but it needs to be qualified. Really, the Jewishness of these people is not the essential component behind their despicable behavior. The essential component is their cosmopolitanism. The Jews, being more or less a “finished” people since the days of Moses Maimonides—that is, being rootless, urbane, disconnected, intellectual, smug, contemptuous of nature, and money-grubbing—are by that very fact eminently fit to join the cosmopolitanism of the modern West, and that is the reason they are overrepresented there. But make no mistake, it is Western cosmopolitanism to which they have assimilated, not something alien in their Semitic character that they inflected upon us.

    Frankly, this discussion is about 100-130 years behind the times. Nietzsche and Spengler pointed this all out a century ago.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I really don't care about Jews. Just curious as to why those who do always carve out these what Lawrence Auster would call "unprincipled exceptions".

    My examples fit their theories perfectly. So why won't they include them?

    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is hand out contraceptives and encourage their use.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Kent Nationalist, @Audacious Epigone

    , @dfordoom
    @Intelligent Dasein


    But make no mistake, it is Western cosmopolitanism to which they have assimilated, not something alien in their Semitic character that they inflected upon us.
     
    I agree. The flaw is one that is inherent in western civilisation. Western civilisation (or at least the version of western civilisation that the Reformation brought into being) has achieved a great deal but it has a couple of serious weaknesses which may well destroy it. And if that happens it will also destroy those Jews who have assimilated to it.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    , @RichardTaylor
    @Intelligent Dasein

    What society that stayed White ever went through the Spengler cycles?

    He was focused on culture, as if that were the most fundamental issue. It's not. RACE is.

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Why wouldn't an extremely rich, powerful and ethnically self-aware people act in their own self-interest?

    You can write thousands and thousands more turgid words about 'Dasein' or whatever rubbish you like but it won't conceal the fact that Jews collectively organise to promote their interests and these are harmful to white people (really all other people they come into contact with). That is why anti-Semitism has been the result in all populations they've come into contact with.

  54. @MarkU
    @dfordoom


    Obviously if there’s ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.
     
    I beg to differ, it really is important whether something is true or not. I agree with you to the extent that the problem is not the Jews, as if Jewish people were a monolithic conglomerate all following some sort of sinister group agenda. However, it is undeniable that there is a large and powerful Jewish bloc that has had a disproportionate and malignant influence on the US the UK and several other European countries as well. You cannot pretend that something doesn't exist because it contradicts your ideological stance or because it is inconvenient for the line of argument that you wish to pursue.

    If ever there was the slightest chance of forming a broad based coalition it will be because there are a sufficient of people who care whether something is really true or not, rather than whether it helps their argument or their side to assert that it is.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I beg to differ, it really is important whether something is true or not.

    In politics it doesn’t matter a damn if something is true or not. Politics is not about truth. Politics is about opinions. There is no such thing as objective truth in politics. Political ideologies are just opinions.

    In politics when you’re not in power or you’re trying to avoid losing power what matters is how well you sell your product. It helps if you have a product worth buying. It helps a lot. But if you market the product poorly you lose. You might have a wonderful political ideology and lots of fantastic policy ideas but if you can’t sell the product you’re wasting your time. You’re just LARPing.

    What matters is how effective your political strategy is. There’s no perfect political strategy but some strategies are more effective than others. If you’re adopting an unsuccessful strategy it doesn’t matter how righteous you think your cause is, you lose. So if you’re smart you drop unsuccessful strategies and adopt strategies that are more likely to work.

    In politics when you are in power what matters is if your policies work. No policy is completely right or completely wrong (we’re talking about politics, not physics or philosophy or theology). Some policies work better than others. Those policies are worth keeping. Policies that work poorly should be dumped.

    It goes without saying that you should believe in the political product you’re trying to market but political ideologies are still just opinions. If you want to convert others to your opinion you don’t make the mistake of thinking that you and you alone have access to objective political truth because objective political truth doesn’t exist.

    The first rule when trying to convert people to your political brand is do not come across as a crank or a nut. If you start going on about how evil the Jews are then people will dismiss you as a crank and a nut. Just as expressing anger and resentment towards women will get you dismissed as a crank and a nut.

    The populist right appears to have zero understanding of how a successful political strategy might look.

    • Thanks: DanHessinMD
  55. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar

    You can go ahead and say it, but it needs to be qualified. Really, the Jewishness of these people is not the essential component behind their despicable behavior. The essential component is their cosmopolitanism. The Jews, being more or less a "finished" people since the days of Moses Maimonides---that is, being rootless, urbane, disconnected, intellectual, smug, contemptuous of nature, and money-grubbing---are by that very fact eminently fit to join the cosmopolitanism of the modern West, and that is the reason they are overrepresented there. But make no mistake, it is Western cosmopolitanism to which they have assimilated, not something alien in their Semitic character that they inflected upon us.

    Frankly, this discussion is about 100-130 years behind the times. Nietzsche and Spengler pointed this all out a century ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @dfordoom, @RichardTaylor, @Kent Nationalist

    I really don’t care about Jews. Just curious as to why those who do always carve out these what Lawrence Auster would call “unprincipled exceptions”.

    My examples fit their theories perfectly. So why won’t they include them?

    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is hand out contraceptives and encourage their use.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Reg Cæsar


    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is hand out contraceptives and encourage their use.
     
    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is to introduce them to the glorious benefits of western civilisation.

    If you're looking for an example of genocide, how about looking at South Korea? What's their current total fertility rate? About 0.84 isn't it? Is that an example of genocide?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Reg Cæsar

    Because they know deep down that Jews really are powerful and it's dangerous to challenge them (or even have the preliminary step of thinking bad thoughts about them) and they are natural cowards, so they come up with nonsense to try and avoid it.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Reg Cæsar

    On the list of the richest people in the world, we don't get to a Jew until #5, Mark Zuckerberg. The world's four richest people are white gentiles.

  56. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar

    You can go ahead and say it, but it needs to be qualified. Really, the Jewishness of these people is not the essential component behind their despicable behavior. The essential component is their cosmopolitanism. The Jews, being more or less a "finished" people since the days of Moses Maimonides---that is, being rootless, urbane, disconnected, intellectual, smug, contemptuous of nature, and money-grubbing---are by that very fact eminently fit to join the cosmopolitanism of the modern West, and that is the reason they are overrepresented there. But make no mistake, it is Western cosmopolitanism to which they have assimilated, not something alien in their Semitic character that they inflected upon us.

    Frankly, this discussion is about 100-130 years behind the times. Nietzsche and Spengler pointed this all out a century ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @dfordoom, @RichardTaylor, @Kent Nationalist

    But make no mistake, it is Western cosmopolitanism to which they have assimilated, not something alien in their Semitic character that they inflected upon us.

    I agree. The flaw is one that is inherent in western civilisation. Western civilisation (or at least the version of western civilisation that the Reformation brought into being) has achieved a great deal but it has a couple of serious weaknesses which may well destroy it. And if that happens it will also destroy those Jews who have assimilated to it.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @dfordoom

    What do you dislike about Western Civilization? Do you dislike the computer you are currently typing on?

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

  57. @Reg Cæsar
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I really don't care about Jews. Just curious as to why those who do always carve out these what Lawrence Auster would call "unprincipled exceptions".

    My examples fit their theories perfectly. So why won't they include them?

    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is hand out contraceptives and encourage their use.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Kent Nationalist, @Audacious Epigone

    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is hand out contraceptives and encourage their use.

    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is to introduce them to the glorious benefits of western civilisation.

    If you’re looking for an example of genocide, how about looking at South Korea? What’s their current total fertility rate? About 0.84 isn’t it? Is that an example of genocide?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @dfordoom

    Autogenocide.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  58. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar

    You can go ahead and say it, but it needs to be qualified. Really, the Jewishness of these people is not the essential component behind their despicable behavior. The essential component is their cosmopolitanism. The Jews, being more or less a "finished" people since the days of Moses Maimonides---that is, being rootless, urbane, disconnected, intellectual, smug, contemptuous of nature, and money-grubbing---are by that very fact eminently fit to join the cosmopolitanism of the modern West, and that is the reason they are overrepresented there. But make no mistake, it is Western cosmopolitanism to which they have assimilated, not something alien in their Semitic character that they inflected upon us.

    Frankly, this discussion is about 100-130 years behind the times. Nietzsche and Spengler pointed this all out a century ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @dfordoom, @RichardTaylor, @Kent Nationalist

    What society that stayed White ever went through the Spengler cycles?

    He was focused on culture, as if that were the most fundamental issue. It’s not. RACE is.

  59. @dfordoom
    @Intelligent Dasein


    But make no mistake, it is Western cosmopolitanism to which they have assimilated, not something alien in their Semitic character that they inflected upon us.
     
    I agree. The flaw is one that is inherent in western civilisation. Western civilisation (or at least the version of western civilisation that the Reformation brought into being) has achieved a great deal but it has a couple of serious weaknesses which may well destroy it. And if that happens it will also destroy those Jews who have assimilated to it.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    What do you dislike about Western Civilization? Do you dislike the computer you are currently typing on?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @RichardTaylor


    What do you dislike about Western Civilization? Do you dislike the computer you are currently typing on?
     
    Modern western civilisation leads to demographic collapse which will lead inevitably to civilisational collapse. That seems to me to be a pretty serious flaw.

    And every society that has had western civilisation's cultural practices imposed on it is now facing demographic collapse which will lead inevitably to to the collapse of those societies.

    Modern western civilisation is like a really cool aircraft that is designed for maximum performance at 40,000 feet. In fact it can only operate efficiently at an altitude of at least 40,000 feel. Unfortunately it has a slight flaw - when it reaches an altitude of 25,000 feet it explodes in mid-air. No matter how cool the aircraft might be in other respects I'd call that a failed aircraft design.

    So far we have been unable to find a way around that design flaw.

    I do very strongly dislike the fact that this dangerously flawed design is being imposed on the entire planet.
    , @dfordoom
    @RichardTaylor


    What do you dislike about Western Civilization?
     
    Western civilisation has many virtues and many vices, just like any other civilisation. There are many very cool things about western civilisation. Unfortunately it seems to have an in-built auto self destruct mechanism.

    It now seems to be heading in the direction of degeneracy, decadence and totalitarianism. It is increasingly a civilisation that offers people nothing but emptiness, self-indulgence and alienation. It is increasingly failing to provide people with anything for which to live. Liberal democracy seems to be a failed political system which is increasingly being replaced by a system that can best be described as neo-fascism. Most western governments today have neo-fascist tendencies. You can call it neo-liberalism if you like but neo-fascism is closer to the mark.

    Until the 1980s or so western civilisation was very cool and very attractive. It provided most people with remarkably comfortable and pleasant lives, and a remarkable degree of personal freedom.

    The future however does not look bright. For most people life is becoming less comfortable and less pleasant and these trends are accelerating. Personal freedom is already in most respects a thing of the past and that trend is accelerating as well.

    If western civilisation was still the way it was in the 80s I'd be one of its biggest fans. But it isn't like that any more and it seems likely to get worse.

    And you can't get away from the fact that demographic collapse seems to be baked into the cake of modern western civilisation and that's going to lead to a great deal of unpleasantness.

    I don't hate western civilisation but I don't have much confidence in its future.
  60. @dfordoom
    @Kent Nationalist


    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews?
     
    Obviously if there's ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.

    As I've said many times, there are a lot of people on the far right who want to lose. They seem to be in love with the perverse glamour of lost causes.

    Paranoiacs don't want to win. They want to find ways of confirming their paranoia.

    And those paranoiacs have succeeded in wrecking the chances of right-wing populism.

    Replies: @MarkU, @Kent Nationalist, @anon

    An explicitly Jewish organisation (the CST) is currently engaging in censoring Bitchute in Britain, just like the ADL has in America. You are either very ignorant, very stupid or a liar.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Kent Nationalist


    You are either very ignorant, very stupid or a liar.
     
    The three attributes are not mutually exclusive and there's a shortcut: He's a Jew.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  61. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar

    You can go ahead and say it, but it needs to be qualified. Really, the Jewishness of these people is not the essential component behind their despicable behavior. The essential component is their cosmopolitanism. The Jews, being more or less a "finished" people since the days of Moses Maimonides---that is, being rootless, urbane, disconnected, intellectual, smug, contemptuous of nature, and money-grubbing---are by that very fact eminently fit to join the cosmopolitanism of the modern West, and that is the reason they are overrepresented there. But make no mistake, it is Western cosmopolitanism to which they have assimilated, not something alien in their Semitic character that they inflected upon us.

    Frankly, this discussion is about 100-130 years behind the times. Nietzsche and Spengler pointed this all out a century ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @dfordoom, @RichardTaylor, @Kent Nationalist

    Why wouldn’t an extremely rich, powerful and ethnically self-aware people act in their own self-interest?

    You can write thousands and thousands more turgid words about ‘Dasein’ or whatever rubbish you like but it won’t conceal the fact that Jews collectively organise to promote their interests and these are harmful to white people (really all other people they come into contact with). That is why anti-Semitism has been the result in all populations they’ve come into contact with.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  62. @Reg Cæsar
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I really don't care about Jews. Just curious as to why those who do always carve out these what Lawrence Auster would call "unprincipled exceptions".

    My examples fit their theories perfectly. So why won't they include them?

    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is hand out contraceptives and encourage their use.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Kent Nationalist, @Audacious Epigone

    Because they know deep down that Jews really are powerful and it’s dangerous to challenge them (or even have the preliminary step of thinking bad thoughts about them) and they are natural cowards, so they come up with nonsense to try and avoid it.

  63. @Rosie
    @AaronB


    In fact, the Establishment and the populist right share an underlying world view. Which makes sense, since the populist right is merely trying to resurrect old racial hierarchies, and not create a new paradigm or .
     
    White countries for White people is not an "old racial hierarchy." It is self-determination.

    imagine fresh alternatives
     
    Why should we be interested in any "fresh alternatives" that don't include White people? This is another question I keep asking and never getting an answer to.

    As you say yourself, "as a Jew..."

    Replies: @AaronB

    White countries for White people is not an “old racial hierarchy.” It is self-determination

    Ok, but what does this mean for America? If you’re trying to carve out an area in which White people who also see race as the crucial factor set up their own country, I can only be indifferent to that. If that’s what you want, I wouldn’t opppse it – I believe everyone should be allowed to live and organize as far as possible as they like so long as they don’t interfere with others – but I obviously cannot be expected to be enthusiastic about it.

    If that’s your scenario, I’m not your ally, but I’m not your enemy – it just has nothing to do with me. I’m happy to interact only with that segment of the White race who has no problem interacting with Jews and other ethnic and racial groups.

    But if you’re fighting for a “common” destiny for America, then your hostility to Jews obviously interferes with me, and makes me into your enemy.

    While I despise Woke ideology, partly because of its racism and anti-White animus, as a Jew I must fight you to the bitter end to prevent your form of racism from becoming the official version of America, even though I may be sympathetic to you in other areas.

    And while Woke ideology is hideous and racist, at least it contains a twisted “moral” core – in that it insists that group outcomes be “equal”, so that if Whites become disadvantaged at some point it is at least conceivable that it will then start advocating for Whites (if its not entirely just a hypocritical front for anti-White racism, which it may be for some people, but I don’t think everyone).

    In your vision, racial hierarchies are final and absolute.

    Why should we be interested in any “fresh alternatives” that don’t include White people? This is another question I keep asking and never getting an answer to.

    Certainly fresh alternatives should include White people, as people, but without explicitly singling out their race. Both the Establishment and right wing populism tell us the most significant thing about a person is their race. A fresh alternative would reject that – it would break out of that old paradigm and offer different forms of identity and different causes to fight for.

    It is regrettable that in the modern West, after eviscerating culture and religion, the biological category of race is all that’s left to rally around. This is a legacy of the Enlightenment. It may be time to break out of this limiting paradigm and imagine new ways of thinking about oneself and community.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Rosie
    @AaronB


    And while Woke ideology is hideous and racist, at least it contains a twisted “moral” core – in that it insists that group outcomes be “equal”, so that if Whites become disadvantaged at some point it is at least conceivable that it will then start advocating for Whites (if its not entirely just a hypocritical front for anti-White racism, which it may be for some people, but I don’t think everyone).
     
    https://media.tenor.com/images/cdb327ec053535ce6c41b1c0f8bc4a7d/tenor.gif?ctx=share

    Certainly fresh alternatives should include White people, as people, but without explicitly singling out their race.
     
    Complete competitors cannot coexist, so no, there is no alternative to a White homeland that includes White people.

    Ok, but what does this mean for America? If you’re trying to carve out an area in which White people who also see race as the crucial factor set up their own country, I can only be indifferent to that. If that’s what you want, I wouldn’t opppse it – I believe everyone should be allowed to live and organize as far as possible as they like so long as they don’t interfere with others – but I obviously cannot be expected to be enthusiastic about it.
     
    The details are negotiable, but non-White interests in living among White people (and in the case of Jews, dominating White people) do not override our interest in continuing to exist, and it is not reasonable for non-Whites to demand that we so prioritize the interests of non-Whites.

    If non-Whites have no obligation to respect our right to exist, we are not bound to respect much less vital interests of non-Whites.
    , @gavor
    @AaronB


    Ok, but what does this mean for America? If you’re trying to carve out an area in which White people who also see race as the crucial factor set up their own country, I can only be indifferent to that. If that’s what you want, I wouldn’t opppse it – I believe everyone should be allowed to live and organize as far as possible as they like so long as they don’t interfere with others – but I obviously cannot be expected to be enthusiastic about it.

    If that’s your scenario, I’m not your ally, but I’m not your enemy – it just has nothing to do with me. I’m happy to interact only with that segment of the White race who has no problem interacting with Jews and other ethnic and racial groups.

    But if you’re fighting for a “common” destiny for America, then your hostility to Jews obviously interferes with me, and makes me into your enemy.
     
    White Nationalists can't be explicit about it and have to use euphemisms like 'self-determination', but it means some combination of racial hierarchy and supremacy. White people and interests are supposed to be supreme and above others. That's the organizing principle of the idea. I don't see how it could be otherwise.
  64. @anon
    @Talha

    Currently my youngest real wants a VR helmet and game system and I’m holding the line.

    Probably not a good idea for developmental reasons, as well as other reasons. We all spend too much time on screens as it is, VR is just a huge step further along.

    Some friends have given their teenaged children 3G flip phones with limited minutes / texts for communicating with each other and family. No smart phones. They probably look at stuff on friends smart phones, but don't need to have their own.

    I see people with children of maybe 5 years, dragging tablets around. That's not good for brain development or for eyeballs.

    Replies: @Talha

    Some friends have given their teenaged children 3G flip phones with limited minutes / texts for communicating with each other and family.

    In our family, none of the kids gets a phone until high school and they have to have proven they can handle the responsibility before they get there. They have pointed out so many times how their other friends have had them since like 5th grade and I keep telling them that I’m not responsible for the mistakes of other parents.

    One of my spiritual teachers compromised with his daughter and got her a non-working old cell phone so that she could just show people she had one. It seems to have worked, there was a lot of pressure on the poor girl such that if you didn’t carry one around, it was as if you were a leper or something.

    Peace.

  65. @AaronB
    A nice dream, but the populist right is defined by the ethnic factor. Without the ethnic factor it becomes the populist left.

    I define myself as populist left (up to a point, I dont really like labels), but as an Jew, its obvious that I must prefer the worst Woke tyranny than the populist right. Otherwise I am sympathetic to many of the non-racial aspects of the populist right, and even in areas where I am indifferent or disagree (marriage, porn, traditional values, hard work), I think right wing people should be allowed to live the way they want without interference (although I am disturbed by support on this site for imposing right wing values on everyone else).

    I dont see this in terms of a race war, but the populist right has defined itself by seeing this as a race war. That is the hill it has decided to die on. In this they are the mirror image of the Establishment, which also tries to push this fight as a race war.

    It is interesting again that both the Establishment and the populist right see this as a race war- they accept each others premises, and just disagree about the role each race plays.

    In fact, the Establishment and the populist right share an underlying world view. Which makes sense, since the populist right is merely trying to resurrect old racial hierarchies, and not create a new paradigm or imagine fresh alternatives.

    As someone who is against hierarchies in general, I cannot get excited by any world view whose fundamental premise is racial hierarchy- whether it comes from the Establishment or the populist right, whether my group is in on top or not.

    The fundamental problem here is that this fight is about "who gets to be the oppressor" - how the hierarchies are drawn- and not about how to create a more just and fair society for everyone. No one questions the notion of a hierarchy - they just fight over who gets to sit at the top of the pyramid and oppress everyone else.

    This is the disease pf human nature, and why there aren't really political solutions to the human conundrum, but only spiritual solutions. Sure, some societies are worse than others, and there are evils that can be ameliorate through politics, but no fundamental change in the human predicament can take place through politics.

    Moreover, those who sit at the top of a hierarchy are as unfree and unhappy as those who sit on the bottom. They too are slaves of the system and dependent on their underlings, and they too must live in fear and anxiety, and work hard to keep the system going and maintain their position.

    What is the solution if not politics? Perhaps it is dropping out - you can't fix the world, but maybe, you can not participate. If fighting only makes things worse, maybe we can be like Bartleby the Scrivener in Melville's immortal story, and when called upon to do our part to keep the wretched system going, simply - not fight, not confront, not oppose, but, simply...."prefer not to"?

    Go fishing instead. Sit in a Cafe and read a book. The systems depends on your energy and labor, on you investing into it, on you buying into it and believing your options are what it tells you.

    Instead of revolution, which always installs a worse tyranny, you simply- cut off the electricity.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Rational, @Curle, @dfordoom

    As someone who is against hierarchies in general

    In other words, you’re against human nature.

    It’s time for you to get out of White society and be among your own people, instead of trying to re-form us as the “cattle” in your vision of what the world should be.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mr. Rational

    Typical right winger - a slave internalizing the values of the master. You may not be high on the hierarchy, but at least someone is beneath you, so you defend hierarchies.

    Hierarchies are not human nature - pre-state people did not have hierarchies. Hierarchies emerged with the formation of states, so that an elite can live off the surplus created by common workers.

    And I don't live in "White society" - I live in America, among many races, including Whites - abd I suspect most Whites would rather have someone like me live among them than you.

    Should a "White society" be created, as I told Rosie, I certainly would not live in it. It will be a utopia of anti-social people unable to get along enough to organize anything, if the Whites on display on here are any indication of what we can expect. It will be a typical third world country, with massive inequality and harsh hierarchies, and widespread misogyny, if, again, the Whites on this site are any indication. Functional Whites - the ones who don't support harsh hierarchies and misogyny - dont seem to share your vision.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie, @dfordoom

  66. @Mr. Rational
    @AaronB


    As someone who is against hierarchies in general
     
    In other words, you're against human nature.

    It's time for you to get out of White society and be among your own people, instead of trying to re-form us as the "cattle" in your vision of what the world should be.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Typical right winger – a slave internalizing the values of the master. You may not be high on the hierarchy, but at least someone is beneath you, so you defend hierarchies.

    Hierarchies are not human nature – pre-state people did not have hierarchies. Hierarchies emerged with the formation of states, so that an elite can live off the surplus created by common workers.

    And I don’t live in “White society” – I live in America, among many races, including Whites – abd I suspect most Whites would rather have someone like me live among them than you.

    Should a “White society” be created, as I told Rosie, I certainly would not live in it. It will be a utopia of anti-social people unable to get along enough to organize anything, if the Whites on display on here are any indication of what we can expect. It will be a typical third world country, with massive inequality and harsh hierarchies, and widespread misogyny, if, again, the Whites on this site are any indication. Functional Whites – the ones who don’t support harsh hierarchies and misogyny – dont seem to share your vision.

    • Replies: @anon
    @AaronB

    Hierarchies are not human nature – pre-state people did not have hierarchies.

    Citation required.

    , @Rosie
    @AaronB


    Functional Whites – the ones who don’t support harsh hierarchies and misogyny – dont seem to share your vision.
     
    Tell it to native Brits who can't buy a house in their own country because rich foreigners are buying up all the real estate.

    The cosmopolitan's idea of "equality" means your neighbors get to come in your house and help themselves to all your stuff. No thanks.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @dfordoom
    @AaronB


    Functional Whites – the ones who don’t support harsh hierarchies and misogyny – dont seem to share your vision.
     
    That is the problem that the dissident right, right-wing populism, white nationalism and other far right political movements face. Their views are not just unpopular among blacks and Asians and Jews - they're unpopular even among white gentiles. Most white gentiles are rather repelled by the far right.

    I'm a white gentile and I agree with a lot of the far right's criticisms of modern society and I despise Wokeism and SJWism as much as any dissident rightist despises those ideologies. But those far right movements are just too extreme and too crazy and too misogynistic for me to be comfortable with them. And those far right movements seem to me to be too politically inept to have any chance of success. If they can't win over anti-Establishment whites like myself I suspect they're never going to win over more than a small minority of whites.

    Even if a white nationalist ethnostate or a right-wing populist state could succeed in establishing itself I don't think more than a minority of whites would choose to live in it. How small that minority would be would depend on how extreme such a breakaway state turned out to be.

    I definitely think that very few white women would choose to live in a state run by the sorts of right-wingers who frequent UR! Would even Rosie want to live in a state run by the misogynist right-wing men of Unz Review?
  67. @dfordoom
    @Reg Cæsar


    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is hand out contraceptives and encourage their use.
     
    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is to introduce them to the glorious benefits of western civilisation.

    If you're looking for an example of genocide, how about looking at South Korea? What's their current total fertility rate? About 0.84 isn't it? Is that an example of genocide?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Autogenocide.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Reg Cæsar


    Autogenocide.
     
    But until South Korea was exposed to the dubious benefits of western civilisation and capitalism they had a perfectly healthy birth rate. Which suggests that it's the effects of western civilisation and capitalism that is destroying them.

    And you can see the same pattern in other East Asian societies such as Taiwan and Singapore.

    The evidence that western civilisation and capitalism are destructive to society (and are destructive to both western and non-western societies) seems very strong.

    Can you suggest some other reason why so many East Asian societies would spontaneously decide to destroy themselves? Your theory that they just suddenly decided to commit societal suicide seems very very unconvincing.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  68. @Jay Fink
    @V. Hickel

    I thought all the racial stuff came from centrist Democrats to distract the far left from economic populism. We just have to make them aware of it.

    Replies: @Curle

    The racial stuff comes from the oligarchs down to the centrist Ds and the civnats. Both civnats and centrist Ds have jobs aligned with the managerial class and they value respectability more than anything. The oligarchs, through their mouthpieces, control respectability.

    If the oligarch mouthpieces were to tell either the civnats or centrist Ds that necrophilia was respectable they’d both be promoting it. If you want a career you might want to start writing that book on the joys of necrophilia.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Curle


    If the oligarch mouthpieces were to tell either the civnats or centrist Ds that necrophilia was respectable they’d both be promoting it. If you want a career you might want to start writing that book on the joys of necrophilia.
     
    Mainstream conservatives would go along with it as well. We'd see articles presenting The Conservative Case For Necrophilia.
  69. @AaronB
    A nice dream, but the populist right is defined by the ethnic factor. Without the ethnic factor it becomes the populist left.

    I define myself as populist left (up to a point, I dont really like labels), but as an Jew, its obvious that I must prefer the worst Woke tyranny than the populist right. Otherwise I am sympathetic to many of the non-racial aspects of the populist right, and even in areas where I am indifferent or disagree (marriage, porn, traditional values, hard work), I think right wing people should be allowed to live the way they want without interference (although I am disturbed by support on this site for imposing right wing values on everyone else).

    I dont see this in terms of a race war, but the populist right has defined itself by seeing this as a race war. That is the hill it has decided to die on. In this they are the mirror image of the Establishment, which also tries to push this fight as a race war.

    It is interesting again that both the Establishment and the populist right see this as a race war- they accept each others premises, and just disagree about the role each race plays.

    In fact, the Establishment and the populist right share an underlying world view. Which makes sense, since the populist right is merely trying to resurrect old racial hierarchies, and not create a new paradigm or imagine fresh alternatives.

    As someone who is against hierarchies in general, I cannot get excited by any world view whose fundamental premise is racial hierarchy- whether it comes from the Establishment or the populist right, whether my group is in on top or not.

    The fundamental problem here is that this fight is about "who gets to be the oppressor" - how the hierarchies are drawn- and not about how to create a more just and fair society for everyone. No one questions the notion of a hierarchy - they just fight over who gets to sit at the top of the pyramid and oppress everyone else.

    This is the disease pf human nature, and why there aren't really political solutions to the human conundrum, but only spiritual solutions. Sure, some societies are worse than others, and there are evils that can be ameliorate through politics, but no fundamental change in the human predicament can take place through politics.

    Moreover, those who sit at the top of a hierarchy are as unfree and unhappy as those who sit on the bottom. They too are slaves of the system and dependent on their underlings, and they too must live in fear and anxiety, and work hard to keep the system going and maintain their position.

    What is the solution if not politics? Perhaps it is dropping out - you can't fix the world, but maybe, you can not participate. If fighting only makes things worse, maybe we can be like Bartleby the Scrivener in Melville's immortal story, and when called upon to do our part to keep the wretched system going, simply - not fight, not confront, not oppose, but, simply...."prefer not to"?

    Go fishing instead. Sit in a Cafe and read a book. The systems depends on your energy and labor, on you investing into it, on you buying into it and believing your options are what it tells you.

    Instead of revolution, which always installs a worse tyranny, you simply- cut off the electricity.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Rational, @Curle, @dfordoom

    “ I cannot get excited by any world view whose fundamental premise is racial hierarchy”

    The fundamental premise is don’t fight nature.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  70. Lived experience changes minds (not facts) so let’s see what happens

  71. @AaronB
    @Mr. Rational

    Typical right winger - a slave internalizing the values of the master. You may not be high on the hierarchy, but at least someone is beneath you, so you defend hierarchies.

    Hierarchies are not human nature - pre-state people did not have hierarchies. Hierarchies emerged with the formation of states, so that an elite can live off the surplus created by common workers.

    And I don't live in "White society" - I live in America, among many races, including Whites - abd I suspect most Whites would rather have someone like me live among them than you.

    Should a "White society" be created, as I told Rosie, I certainly would not live in it. It will be a utopia of anti-social people unable to get along enough to organize anything, if the Whites on display on here are any indication of what we can expect. It will be a typical third world country, with massive inequality and harsh hierarchies, and widespread misogyny, if, again, the Whites on this site are any indication. Functional Whites - the ones who don't support harsh hierarchies and misogyny - dont seem to share your vision.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie, @dfordoom

    Hierarchies are not human nature – pre-state people did not have hierarchies.

    Citation required.

  72. @AaronB
    @Rosie


    White countries for White people is not an “old racial hierarchy.” It is self-determination
     
    Ok, but what does this mean for America? If you're trying to carve out an area in which White people who also see race as the crucial factor set up their own country, I can only be indifferent to that. If that's what you want, I wouldn't opppse it - I believe everyone should be allowed to live and organize as far as possible as they like so long as they don't interfere with others - but I obviously cannot be expected to be enthusiastic about it.

    If that's your scenario, I'm not your ally, but I'm not your enemy - it just has nothing to do with me. I'm happy to interact only with that segment of the White race who has no problem interacting with Jews and other ethnic and racial groups.

    But if you're fighting for a "common" destiny for America, then your hostility to Jews obviously interferes with me, and makes me into your enemy.

    While I despise Woke ideology, partly because of its racism and anti-White animus, as a Jew I must fight you to the bitter end to prevent your form of racism from becoming the official version of America, even though I may be sympathetic to you in other areas.

    And while Woke ideology is hideous and racist, at least it contains a twisted "moral" core - in that it insists that group outcomes be "equal", so that if Whites become disadvantaged at some point it is at least conceivable that it will then start advocating for Whites (if its not entirely just a hypocritical front for anti-White racism, which it may be for some people, but I don't think everyone).

    In your vision, racial hierarchies are final and absolute.

    Why should we be interested in any “fresh alternatives” that don’t include White people? This is another question I keep asking and never getting an answer to.
     
    Certainly fresh alternatives should include White people, as people, but without explicitly singling out their race. Both the Establishment and right wing populism tell us the most significant thing about a person is their race. A fresh alternative would reject that - it would break out of that old paradigm and offer different forms of identity and different causes to fight for.

    It is regrettable that in the modern West, after eviscerating culture and religion, the biological category of race is all that's left to rally around. This is a legacy of the Enlightenment. It may be time to break out of this limiting paradigm and imagine new ways of thinking about oneself and community.

    Replies: @Rosie, @gavor

    And while Woke ideology is hideous and racist, at least it contains a twisted “moral” core – in that it insists that group outcomes be “equal”, so that if Whites become disadvantaged at some point it is at least conceivable that it will then start advocating for Whites (if its not entirely just a hypocritical front for anti-White racism, which it may be for some people, but I don’t think everyone).

    Certainly fresh alternatives should include White people, as people, but without explicitly singling out their race.

    Complete competitors cannot coexist, so no, there is no alternative to a White homeland that includes White people.

    Ok, but what does this mean for America? If you’re trying to carve out an area in which White people who also see race as the crucial factor set up their own country, I can only be indifferent to that. If that’s what you want, I wouldn’t opppse it – I believe everyone should be allowed to live and organize as far as possible as they like so long as they don’t interfere with others – but I obviously cannot be expected to be enthusiastic about it.

    The details are negotiable, but non-White interests in living among White people (and in the case of Jews, dominating White people) do not override our interest in continuing to exist, and it is not reasonable for non-Whites to demand that we so prioritize the interests of non-Whites.

    If non-Whites have no obligation to respect our right to exist, we are not bound to respect much less vital interests of non-Whites.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  73. @AaronB
    @Mr. Rational

    Typical right winger - a slave internalizing the values of the master. You may not be high on the hierarchy, but at least someone is beneath you, so you defend hierarchies.

    Hierarchies are not human nature - pre-state people did not have hierarchies. Hierarchies emerged with the formation of states, so that an elite can live off the surplus created by common workers.

    And I don't live in "White society" - I live in America, among many races, including Whites - abd I suspect most Whites would rather have someone like me live among them than you.

    Should a "White society" be created, as I told Rosie, I certainly would not live in it. It will be a utopia of anti-social people unable to get along enough to organize anything, if the Whites on display on here are any indication of what we can expect. It will be a typical third world country, with massive inequality and harsh hierarchies, and widespread misogyny, if, again, the Whites on this site are any indication. Functional Whites - the ones who don't support harsh hierarchies and misogyny - dont seem to share your vision.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie, @dfordoom

    Functional Whites – the ones who don’t support harsh hierarchies and misogyny – dont seem to share your vision.

    Tell it to native Brits who can’t buy a house in their own country because rich foreigners are buying up all the real estate.

    The cosmopolitan’s idea of “equality” means your neighbors get to come in your house and help themselves to all your stuff. No thanks.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Rosie

    So, is it better that native British elites take over your house and take your stuff, and press you into servitude?

    Is the issue that its "foreign devils" doing this, or that anyone is doing this? Do you think native elites are kind and benevolent to the common folk? You're smart and educated, and I know you have read history....

    Do you think China doesn't import foreigners because its elite loves the common folk? Or is it that Chinese are already the world's hardest workers, willing to put up with long hours and terrible conditions with few rights, to enrich their masters?

    Anyways, the issue is class not race. All the petty oppression and indignities, economic hardship and inequality, that you feel indignation about will continue - perhaps intensify- under a native elite after the "foreign devils" have been kicked out. Only, you'll be sold a different set of lies and myths to make you embrace your exploitation - "God, King, and country" - now slave away for your master and go die for him in wars to enrich him.

    The Establishment wants you to be distracted by race, because then you will not focus on the social structure itself. If race is the issue, and not the social or class structure itself, and the important thing is that the people doing the oppressing and exploiting are the same race as you, the grounds for exploitation are left unquestioned. Hierarchy itself is left unquestioned.

    You are being spellbound by a chimera. When the Establishment tries to make this about race, you don't have to play into their hands, you know. And it should certainly give you pause that you and the Establishment share the same world view, that the main issue is race.

    Not only that, but by making this about race the Establishment makes the people divided and unable to organize along class lines. Divide and rule is the oldest tactic in the book - yet still effective after all these centuries, because peoples sentimental emotions are easily manipulated.

    It is possible to respond to the Establishments attempt to make this about race by simply not losing focus on the class and social structure aspect of the situation, like they clearly want you to do.

    But if you want, make this about race - that's your choice. You're free to do as you wish, to be a dupe, to not learn from history, whatever.

    I am only saying that by doing so, you close yourself off from important alliances and prevent mass organization. You condemn yourself to being a small and impotent movement. You yourself know that Jews are one of the most formidable power blocs in this country - yet you make your platform one that no Jew cannot support. One would think that a dissident movement interested in success would try and siphon off members of one of the country's most powerful groups. But no - not you guys.

    Which is your free choice, but then of course dissidents who don't make this about race can only marginalize you at best, destroy you at worst. And there is broad disaffection in this country and dissident movements of various stripes will arise and form coalitions - the ones who make this about race will have a hard time.

    Replies: @Rosie, @gavor, @anon

  74. @Rosie
    @AaronB


    Functional Whites – the ones who don’t support harsh hierarchies and misogyny – dont seem to share your vision.
     
    Tell it to native Brits who can't buy a house in their own country because rich foreigners are buying up all the real estate.

    The cosmopolitan's idea of "equality" means your neighbors get to come in your house and help themselves to all your stuff. No thanks.

    Replies: @AaronB

    So, is it better that native British elites take over your house and take your stuff, and press you into servitude?

    Is the issue that its “foreign devils” doing this, or that anyone is doing this? Do you think native elites are kind and benevolent to the common folk? You’re smart and educated, and I know you have read history….

    Do you think China doesn’t import foreigners because its elite loves the common folk? Or is it that Chinese are already the world’s hardest workers, willing to put up with long hours and terrible conditions with few rights, to enrich their masters?

    Anyways, the issue is class not race. All the petty oppression and indignities, economic hardship and inequality, that you feel indignation about will continue – perhaps intensify- under a native elite after the “foreign devils” have been kicked out. Only, you’ll be sold a different set of lies and myths to make you embrace your exploitation – “God, King, and country” – now slave away for your master and go die for him in wars to enrich him.

    The Establishment wants you to be distracted by race, because then you will not focus on the social structure itself. If race is the issue, and not the social or class structure itself, and the important thing is that the people doing the oppressing and exploiting are the same race as you, the grounds for exploitation are left unquestioned. Hierarchy itself is left unquestioned.

    You are being spellbound by a chimera. When the Establishment tries to make this about race, you don’t have to play into their hands, you know. And it should certainly give you pause that you and the Establishment share the same world view, that the main issue is race.

    Not only that, but by making this about race the Establishment makes the people divided and unable to organize along class lines. Divide and rule is the oldest tactic in the book – yet still effective after all these centuries, because peoples sentimental emotions are easily manipulated.

    It is possible to respond to the Establishments attempt to make this about race by simply not losing focus on the class and social structure aspect of the situation, like they clearly want you to do.

    But if you want, make this about race – that’s your choice. You’re free to do as you wish, to be a dupe, to not learn from history, whatever.

    I am only saying that by doing so, you close yourself off from important alliances and prevent mass organization. You condemn yourself to being a small and impotent movement. You yourself know that Jews are one of the most formidable power blocs in this country – yet you make your platform one that no Jew cannot support. One would think that a dissident movement interested in success would try and siphon off members of one of the country’s most powerful groups. But no – not you guys.

    Which is your free choice, but then of course dissidents who don’t make this about race can only marginalize you at best, destroy you at worst. And there is broad disaffection in this country and dissident movements of various stripes will arise and form coalitions – the ones who make this about race will have a hard time.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @AaronB


    You yourself know that Jews are one of the most formidable power blocs in this country – yet you make your platform one that no Jew cannot support.
     
    Rub it in our face, why don't you? I would ban you for this shit.

    Anyway, here is the problem: there is no agenda that Jews would support that involves White people still existing on this planet in another 100 years. End of discussion. GFY.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @gavor
    @AaronB


    So, is it better that native British elites take over your house and take your stuff, and press you into servitude?
     
    Half of England is owned by less than 1% of the population

    Research by author reveals corporations and aristocrats are the biggest landowners

    Half of England is owned by less than 1% of its population, according to new data shared with the Guardian that seeks to penetrate the secrecy that has traditionally surrounded land ownership.

    The findings, described as “astonishingly unequal”, suggest that about 25,000 landowners – typically members of the aristocracy and corporations – have control of half of the country.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/apr/17/who-owns-england-thousand-secret-landowners-author
    , @anon
    @AaronB

    So, is it better that native British elites take over your house and take your stuff, and press you into servitude?

    False dichotomy in one sense, and yet - yes, it is better. Because native elites are less likely to want to genocide the commoners than cosmopolites.

    Pol Pot was a cosmopolitian...

  75. @AaronB
    @Rosie


    White countries for White people is not an “old racial hierarchy.” It is self-determination
     
    Ok, but what does this mean for America? If you're trying to carve out an area in which White people who also see race as the crucial factor set up their own country, I can only be indifferent to that. If that's what you want, I wouldn't opppse it - I believe everyone should be allowed to live and organize as far as possible as they like so long as they don't interfere with others - but I obviously cannot be expected to be enthusiastic about it.

    If that's your scenario, I'm not your ally, but I'm not your enemy - it just has nothing to do with me. I'm happy to interact only with that segment of the White race who has no problem interacting with Jews and other ethnic and racial groups.

    But if you're fighting for a "common" destiny for America, then your hostility to Jews obviously interferes with me, and makes me into your enemy.

    While I despise Woke ideology, partly because of its racism and anti-White animus, as a Jew I must fight you to the bitter end to prevent your form of racism from becoming the official version of America, even though I may be sympathetic to you in other areas.

    And while Woke ideology is hideous and racist, at least it contains a twisted "moral" core - in that it insists that group outcomes be "equal", so that if Whites become disadvantaged at some point it is at least conceivable that it will then start advocating for Whites (if its not entirely just a hypocritical front for anti-White racism, which it may be for some people, but I don't think everyone).

    In your vision, racial hierarchies are final and absolute.

    Why should we be interested in any “fresh alternatives” that don’t include White people? This is another question I keep asking and never getting an answer to.
     
    Certainly fresh alternatives should include White people, as people, but without explicitly singling out their race. Both the Establishment and right wing populism tell us the most significant thing about a person is their race. A fresh alternative would reject that - it would break out of that old paradigm and offer different forms of identity and different causes to fight for.

    It is regrettable that in the modern West, after eviscerating culture and religion, the biological category of race is all that's left to rally around. This is a legacy of the Enlightenment. It may be time to break out of this limiting paradigm and imagine new ways of thinking about oneself and community.

    Replies: @Rosie, @gavor

    Ok, but what does this mean for America? If you’re trying to carve out an area in which White people who also see race as the crucial factor set up their own country, I can only be indifferent to that. If that’s what you want, I wouldn’t opppse it – I believe everyone should be allowed to live and organize as far as possible as they like so long as they don’t interfere with others – but I obviously cannot be expected to be enthusiastic about it.

    If that’s your scenario, I’m not your ally, but I’m not your enemy – it just has nothing to do with me. I’m happy to interact only with that segment of the White race who has no problem interacting with Jews and other ethnic and racial groups.

    But if you’re fighting for a “common” destiny for America, then your hostility to Jews obviously interferes with me, and makes me into your enemy.

    White Nationalists can’t be explicit about it and have to use euphemisms like ‘self-determination’, but it means some combination of racial hierarchy and supremacy. White people and interests are supposed to be supreme and above others. That’s the organizing principle of the idea. I don’t see how it could be otherwise.

  76. @AaronB
    @Rosie

    So, is it better that native British elites take over your house and take your stuff, and press you into servitude?

    Is the issue that its "foreign devils" doing this, or that anyone is doing this? Do you think native elites are kind and benevolent to the common folk? You're smart and educated, and I know you have read history....

    Do you think China doesn't import foreigners because its elite loves the common folk? Or is it that Chinese are already the world's hardest workers, willing to put up with long hours and terrible conditions with few rights, to enrich their masters?

    Anyways, the issue is class not race. All the petty oppression and indignities, economic hardship and inequality, that you feel indignation about will continue - perhaps intensify- under a native elite after the "foreign devils" have been kicked out. Only, you'll be sold a different set of lies and myths to make you embrace your exploitation - "God, King, and country" - now slave away for your master and go die for him in wars to enrich him.

    The Establishment wants you to be distracted by race, because then you will not focus on the social structure itself. If race is the issue, and not the social or class structure itself, and the important thing is that the people doing the oppressing and exploiting are the same race as you, the grounds for exploitation are left unquestioned. Hierarchy itself is left unquestioned.

    You are being spellbound by a chimera. When the Establishment tries to make this about race, you don't have to play into their hands, you know. And it should certainly give you pause that you and the Establishment share the same world view, that the main issue is race.

    Not only that, but by making this about race the Establishment makes the people divided and unable to organize along class lines. Divide and rule is the oldest tactic in the book - yet still effective after all these centuries, because peoples sentimental emotions are easily manipulated.

    It is possible to respond to the Establishments attempt to make this about race by simply not losing focus on the class and social structure aspect of the situation, like they clearly want you to do.

    But if you want, make this about race - that's your choice. You're free to do as you wish, to be a dupe, to not learn from history, whatever.

    I am only saying that by doing so, you close yourself off from important alliances and prevent mass organization. You condemn yourself to being a small and impotent movement. You yourself know that Jews are one of the most formidable power blocs in this country - yet you make your platform one that no Jew cannot support. One would think that a dissident movement interested in success would try and siphon off members of one of the country's most powerful groups. But no - not you guys.

    Which is your free choice, but then of course dissidents who don't make this about race can only marginalize you at best, destroy you at worst. And there is broad disaffection in this country and dissident movements of various stripes will arise and form coalitions - the ones who make this about race will have a hard time.

    Replies: @Rosie, @gavor, @anon

    You yourself know that Jews are one of the most formidable power blocs in this country – yet you make your platform one that no Jew cannot support.

    Rub it in our face, why don’t you? I would ban you for this shit.

    Anyway, here is the problem: there is no agenda that Jews would support that involves White people still existing on this planet in another 100 years. End of discussion. GFY.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Rosie

    Stating a fact in the context of a sober political discussion about effective strategy - which relies on a clear eyed presentation of facts - elicits the reaction that I am rubbing it in your face and I should be banned for stating bald facts which you dislike. What matters is that this fact is distressing to you, not that soberly analyzing all facts is necessary to craft an effective strategy.

    What a petty mindset. Its unwilling to make emotional sacrifices for a larger cause. My personal distress is the most important thing, not the larger cause I am a part of.

    Which makes sense, as you are utterly fixated on your own sense of racial grievance and lack the ability to "zoom out" and form broad-based coalitions with other people who have grievances.

    Once again confirming that White racialists are too petty and lack vision to become part of the new dissident coalitions forming.

    Good luck.

    Replies: @Rosie, @dfordoom

  77. @AaronB
    @Rosie

    So, is it better that native British elites take over your house and take your stuff, and press you into servitude?

    Is the issue that its "foreign devils" doing this, or that anyone is doing this? Do you think native elites are kind and benevolent to the common folk? You're smart and educated, and I know you have read history....

    Do you think China doesn't import foreigners because its elite loves the common folk? Or is it that Chinese are already the world's hardest workers, willing to put up with long hours and terrible conditions with few rights, to enrich their masters?

    Anyways, the issue is class not race. All the petty oppression and indignities, economic hardship and inequality, that you feel indignation about will continue - perhaps intensify- under a native elite after the "foreign devils" have been kicked out. Only, you'll be sold a different set of lies and myths to make you embrace your exploitation - "God, King, and country" - now slave away for your master and go die for him in wars to enrich him.

    The Establishment wants you to be distracted by race, because then you will not focus on the social structure itself. If race is the issue, and not the social or class structure itself, and the important thing is that the people doing the oppressing and exploiting are the same race as you, the grounds for exploitation are left unquestioned. Hierarchy itself is left unquestioned.

    You are being spellbound by a chimera. When the Establishment tries to make this about race, you don't have to play into their hands, you know. And it should certainly give you pause that you and the Establishment share the same world view, that the main issue is race.

    Not only that, but by making this about race the Establishment makes the people divided and unable to organize along class lines. Divide and rule is the oldest tactic in the book - yet still effective after all these centuries, because peoples sentimental emotions are easily manipulated.

    It is possible to respond to the Establishments attempt to make this about race by simply not losing focus on the class and social structure aspect of the situation, like they clearly want you to do.

    But if you want, make this about race - that's your choice. You're free to do as you wish, to be a dupe, to not learn from history, whatever.

    I am only saying that by doing so, you close yourself off from important alliances and prevent mass organization. You condemn yourself to being a small and impotent movement. You yourself know that Jews are one of the most formidable power blocs in this country - yet you make your platform one that no Jew cannot support. One would think that a dissident movement interested in success would try and siphon off members of one of the country's most powerful groups. But no - not you guys.

    Which is your free choice, but then of course dissidents who don't make this about race can only marginalize you at best, destroy you at worst. And there is broad disaffection in this country and dissident movements of various stripes will arise and form coalitions - the ones who make this about race will have a hard time.

    Replies: @Rosie, @gavor, @anon

    So, is it better that native British elites take over your house and take your stuff, and press you into servitude?

    Half of England is owned by less than 1% of the population

    Research by author reveals corporations and aristocrats are the biggest landowners

    Half of England is owned by less than 1% of its population, according to new data shared with the Guardian that seeks to penetrate the secrecy that has traditionally surrounded land ownership.

    The findings, described as “astonishingly unequal”, suggest that about 25,000 landowners – typically members of the aristocracy and corporations – have control of half of the country.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/apr/17/who-owns-england-thousand-secret-landowners-author

  78. @Rosie
    @AaronB


    You yourself know that Jews are one of the most formidable power blocs in this country – yet you make your platform one that no Jew cannot support.
     
    Rub it in our face, why don't you? I would ban you for this shit.

    Anyway, here is the problem: there is no agenda that Jews would support that involves White people still existing on this planet in another 100 years. End of discussion. GFY.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Stating a fact in the context of a sober political discussion about effective strategy – which relies on a clear eyed presentation of facts – elicits the reaction that I am rubbing it in your face and I should be banned for stating bald facts which you dislike. What matters is that this fact is distressing to you, not that soberly analyzing all facts is necessary to craft an effective strategy.

    What a petty mindset. Its unwilling to make emotional sacrifices for a larger cause. My personal distress is the most important thing, not the larger cause I am a part of.

    Which makes sense, as you are utterly fixated on your own sense of racial grievance and lack the ability to “zoom out” and form broad-based coalitions with other people who have grievances.

    Once again confirming that White racialists are too petty and lack vision to become part of the new dissident coalitions forming.

    Good luck.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @AaronB


    My personal distress is the most important thing, not the larger cause I am a part of.
     
    No Aaron, it is just very unseemly and inappropriate for you to tell Whites not to advocate for our interests as Whites.

    You're not offering anything helpful. All your doing is telling us to give up and get our thirty pieces of silver or bowp of porridge or whatever it is you think we're going to get out of allying with Jews.

    You are playing the usual divide and conquer game, based on class rather than gender. But as I mentioned on an another thread, our own elites gave us the 1924 Immigration Act. You're if-we-weren't-ruining-you-someone-else-would defense is demonstrably false.
    , @dfordoom
    @AaronB


    Which makes sense, as you are utterly fixated on your own sense of racial grievance and lack the ability to “zoom out” and form broad-based coalitions with other people who have grievances.
     
    I think that's a fair point.

    Once again confirming that White racialists are too petty and lack vision to become part of the new dissident coalitions forming.
     
    I think the populist/dissident/white nationalist right really is in danger of finding itself seriously isolated and marginalised. And being seriously isolated and marginalised is something that is going to be increasingly unpleasant in the near future.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Rosie

  79. @RichardTaylor
    @dfordoom

    What do you dislike about Western Civilization? Do you dislike the computer you are currently typing on?

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    What do you dislike about Western Civilization? Do you dislike the computer you are currently typing on?

    Modern western civilisation leads to demographic collapse which will lead inevitably to civilisational collapse. That seems to me to be a pretty serious flaw.

    And every society that has had western civilisation’s cultural practices imposed on it is now facing demographic collapse which will lead inevitably to to the collapse of those societies.

    Modern western civilisation is like a really cool aircraft that is designed for maximum performance at 40,000 feet. In fact it can only operate efficiently at an altitude of at least 40,000 feel. Unfortunately it has a slight flaw – when it reaches an altitude of 25,000 feet it explodes in mid-air. No matter how cool the aircraft might be in other respects I’d call that a failed aircraft design.

    So far we have been unable to find a way around that design flaw.

    I do very strongly dislike the fact that this dangerously flawed design is being imposed on the entire planet.

  80. @Reg Cæsar
    @dfordoom

    Autogenocide.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Autogenocide.

    But until South Korea was exposed to the dubious benefits of western civilisation and capitalism they had a perfectly healthy birth rate. Which suggests that it’s the effects of western civilisation and capitalism that is destroying them.

    And you can see the same pattern in other East Asian societies such as Taiwan and Singapore.

    The evidence that western civilisation and capitalism are destructive to society (and are destructive to both western and non-western societies) seems very strong.

    Can you suggest some other reason why so many East Asian societies would spontaneously decide to destroy themselves? Your theory that they just suddenly decided to commit societal suicide seems very very unconvincing.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @dfordoom


    But until South Korea was exposed to the dubious benefits of western civilisation and capitalism they had a perfectly healthy birth rate. Which suggests that it’s the effects of western civilisation and capitalism that is destroying them.

     

    Not "Western civilization", wealth. Wealth without faith.


    Children lose their economic value while costing even more. Without a strong sense of duty, few will want to put up with the hassle. Also, even more avenues of "entertainment", i.e., distraction, are opened up.

    Korea is 25% Christian, Vietnam perhaps 10%. Has anyone compared Christian with non-Christian fertility in these and other Asian populations?

    Replies: @dfordoom

  81. anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    @Rosie

    So, is it better that native British elites take over your house and take your stuff, and press you into servitude?

    Is the issue that its "foreign devils" doing this, or that anyone is doing this? Do you think native elites are kind and benevolent to the common folk? You're smart and educated, and I know you have read history....

    Do you think China doesn't import foreigners because its elite loves the common folk? Or is it that Chinese are already the world's hardest workers, willing to put up with long hours and terrible conditions with few rights, to enrich their masters?

    Anyways, the issue is class not race. All the petty oppression and indignities, economic hardship and inequality, that you feel indignation about will continue - perhaps intensify- under a native elite after the "foreign devils" have been kicked out. Only, you'll be sold a different set of lies and myths to make you embrace your exploitation - "God, King, and country" - now slave away for your master and go die for him in wars to enrich him.

    The Establishment wants you to be distracted by race, because then you will not focus on the social structure itself. If race is the issue, and not the social or class structure itself, and the important thing is that the people doing the oppressing and exploiting are the same race as you, the grounds for exploitation are left unquestioned. Hierarchy itself is left unquestioned.

    You are being spellbound by a chimera. When the Establishment tries to make this about race, you don't have to play into their hands, you know. And it should certainly give you pause that you and the Establishment share the same world view, that the main issue is race.

    Not only that, but by making this about race the Establishment makes the people divided and unable to organize along class lines. Divide and rule is the oldest tactic in the book - yet still effective after all these centuries, because peoples sentimental emotions are easily manipulated.

    It is possible to respond to the Establishments attempt to make this about race by simply not losing focus on the class and social structure aspect of the situation, like they clearly want you to do.

    But if you want, make this about race - that's your choice. You're free to do as you wish, to be a dupe, to not learn from history, whatever.

    I am only saying that by doing so, you close yourself off from important alliances and prevent mass organization. You condemn yourself to being a small and impotent movement. You yourself know that Jews are one of the most formidable power blocs in this country - yet you make your platform one that no Jew cannot support. One would think that a dissident movement interested in success would try and siphon off members of one of the country's most powerful groups. But no - not you guys.

    Which is your free choice, but then of course dissidents who don't make this about race can only marginalize you at best, destroy you at worst. And there is broad disaffection in this country and dissident movements of various stripes will arise and form coalitions - the ones who make this about race will have a hard time.

    Replies: @Rosie, @gavor, @anon

    So, is it better that native British elites take over your house and take your stuff, and press you into servitude?

    False dichotomy in one sense, and yet – yes, it is better. Because native elites are less likely to want to genocide the commoners than cosmopolites.

    Pol Pot was a cosmopolitian…

  82. @RichardTaylor
    @dfordoom

    What do you dislike about Western Civilization? Do you dislike the computer you are currently typing on?

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    What do you dislike about Western Civilization?

    Western civilisation has many virtues and many vices, just like any other civilisation. There are many very cool things about western civilisation. Unfortunately it seems to have an in-built auto self destruct mechanism.

    It now seems to be heading in the direction of degeneracy, decadence and totalitarianism. It is increasingly a civilisation that offers people nothing but emptiness, self-indulgence and alienation. It is increasingly failing to provide people with anything for which to live. Liberal democracy seems to be a failed political system which is increasingly being replaced by a system that can best be described as neo-fascism. Most western governments today have neo-fascist tendencies. You can call it neo-liberalism if you like but neo-fascism is closer to the mark.

    Until the 1980s or so western civilisation was very cool and very attractive. It provided most people with remarkably comfortable and pleasant lives, and a remarkable degree of personal freedom.

    The future however does not look bright. For most people life is becoming less comfortable and less pleasant and these trends are accelerating. Personal freedom is already in most respects a thing of the past and that trend is accelerating as well.

    If western civilisation was still the way it was in the 80s I’d be one of its biggest fans. But it isn’t like that any more and it seems likely to get worse.

    And you can’t get away from the fact that demographic collapse seems to be baked into the cake of modern western civilisation and that’s going to lead to a great deal of unpleasantness.

    I don’t hate western civilisation but I don’t have much confidence in its future.

  83. @dfordoom
    @Reg Cæsar


    Autogenocide.
     
    But until South Korea was exposed to the dubious benefits of western civilisation and capitalism they had a perfectly healthy birth rate. Which suggests that it's the effects of western civilisation and capitalism that is destroying them.

    And you can see the same pattern in other East Asian societies such as Taiwan and Singapore.

    The evidence that western civilisation and capitalism are destructive to society (and are destructive to both western and non-western societies) seems very strong.

    Can you suggest some other reason why so many East Asian societies would spontaneously decide to destroy themselves? Your theory that they just suddenly decided to commit societal suicide seems very very unconvincing.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    But until South Korea was exposed to the dubious benefits of western civilisation and capitalism they had a perfectly healthy birth rate. Which suggests that it’s the effects of western civilisation and capitalism that is destroying them.

    Not “Western civilization”, wealth. Wealth without faith.

    Children lose their economic value while costing even more. Without a strong sense of duty, few will want to put up with the hassle. Also, even more avenues of “entertainment”, i.e., distraction, are opened up.

    Korea is 25% Christian, Vietnam perhaps 10%. Has anyone compared Christian with non-Christian fertility in these and other Asian populations?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Reg Cæsar


    Korea is 25% Christian, Vietnam perhaps 10%.
     
    And Vietnam's TFR is roughly double South Korea's. Which is scary when you consider that Vietnam's TFR is well below replacement level.

    Has anyone compared Christian with non-Christian fertility in these and other Asian populations?
     
    It would be interesting.

    Not “Western civilization”, wealth. Wealth without faith.
     
    Isn't wealth without faith pretty much what modern western civilisation and capitalism are all about?

    Replies: @Talha

  84. @AaronB
    @Mr. Rational

    Typical right winger - a slave internalizing the values of the master. You may not be high on the hierarchy, but at least someone is beneath you, so you defend hierarchies.

    Hierarchies are not human nature - pre-state people did not have hierarchies. Hierarchies emerged with the formation of states, so that an elite can live off the surplus created by common workers.

    And I don't live in "White society" - I live in America, among many races, including Whites - abd I suspect most Whites would rather have someone like me live among them than you.

    Should a "White society" be created, as I told Rosie, I certainly would not live in it. It will be a utopia of anti-social people unable to get along enough to organize anything, if the Whites on display on here are any indication of what we can expect. It will be a typical third world country, with massive inequality and harsh hierarchies, and widespread misogyny, if, again, the Whites on this site are any indication. Functional Whites - the ones who don't support harsh hierarchies and misogyny - dont seem to share your vision.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie, @dfordoom

    Functional Whites – the ones who don’t support harsh hierarchies and misogyny – dont seem to share your vision.

    That is the problem that the dissident right, right-wing populism, white nationalism and other far right political movements face. Their views are not just unpopular among blacks and Asians and Jews – they’re unpopular even among white gentiles. Most white gentiles are rather repelled by the far right.

    I’m a white gentile and I agree with a lot of the far right’s criticisms of modern society and I despise Wokeism and SJWism as much as any dissident rightist despises those ideologies. But those far right movements are just too extreme and too crazy and too misogynistic for me to be comfortable with them. And those far right movements seem to me to be too politically inept to have any chance of success. If they can’t win over anti-Establishment whites like myself I suspect they’re never going to win over more than a small minority of whites.

    Even if a white nationalist ethnostate or a right-wing populist state could succeed in establishing itself I don’t think more than a minority of whites would choose to live in it. How small that minority would be would depend on how extreme such a breakaway state turned out to be.

    I definitely think that very few white women would choose to live in a state run by the sorts of right-wingers who frequent UR! Would even Rosie want to live in a state run by the misogynist right-wing men of Unz Review?

    • Agree: AaronB
  85. @Curle
    @Jay Fink

    The racial stuff comes from the oligarchs down to the centrist Ds and the civnats. Both civnats and centrist Ds have jobs aligned with the managerial class and they value respectability more than anything. The oligarchs, through their mouthpieces, control respectability.

    If the oligarch mouthpieces were to tell either the civnats or centrist Ds that necrophilia was respectable they’d both be promoting it. If you want a career you might want to start writing that book on the joys of necrophilia.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    If the oligarch mouthpieces were to tell either the civnats or centrist Ds that necrophilia was respectable they’d both be promoting it. If you want a career you might want to start writing that book on the joys of necrophilia.

    Mainstream conservatives would go along with it as well. We’d see articles presenting The Conservative Case For Necrophilia.

  86. @AaronB
    A nice dream, but the populist right is defined by the ethnic factor. Without the ethnic factor it becomes the populist left.

    I define myself as populist left (up to a point, I dont really like labels), but as an Jew, its obvious that I must prefer the worst Woke tyranny than the populist right. Otherwise I am sympathetic to many of the non-racial aspects of the populist right, and even in areas where I am indifferent or disagree (marriage, porn, traditional values, hard work), I think right wing people should be allowed to live the way they want without interference (although I am disturbed by support on this site for imposing right wing values on everyone else).

    I dont see this in terms of a race war, but the populist right has defined itself by seeing this as a race war. That is the hill it has decided to die on. In this they are the mirror image of the Establishment, which also tries to push this fight as a race war.

    It is interesting again that both the Establishment and the populist right see this as a race war- they accept each others premises, and just disagree about the role each race plays.

    In fact, the Establishment and the populist right share an underlying world view. Which makes sense, since the populist right is merely trying to resurrect old racial hierarchies, and not create a new paradigm or imagine fresh alternatives.

    As someone who is against hierarchies in general, I cannot get excited by any world view whose fundamental premise is racial hierarchy- whether it comes from the Establishment or the populist right, whether my group is in on top or not.

    The fundamental problem here is that this fight is about "who gets to be the oppressor" - how the hierarchies are drawn- and not about how to create a more just and fair society for everyone. No one questions the notion of a hierarchy - they just fight over who gets to sit at the top of the pyramid and oppress everyone else.

    This is the disease pf human nature, and why there aren't really political solutions to the human conundrum, but only spiritual solutions. Sure, some societies are worse than others, and there are evils that can be ameliorate through politics, but no fundamental change in the human predicament can take place through politics.

    Moreover, those who sit at the top of a hierarchy are as unfree and unhappy as those who sit on the bottom. They too are slaves of the system and dependent on their underlings, and they too must live in fear and anxiety, and work hard to keep the system going and maintain their position.

    What is the solution if not politics? Perhaps it is dropping out - you can't fix the world, but maybe, you can not participate. If fighting only makes things worse, maybe we can be like Bartleby the Scrivener in Melville's immortal story, and when called upon to do our part to keep the wretched system going, simply - not fight, not confront, not oppose, but, simply...."prefer not to"?

    Go fishing instead. Sit in a Cafe and read a book. The systems depends on your energy and labor, on you investing into it, on you buying into it and believing your options are what it tells you.

    Instead of revolution, which always installs a worse tyranny, you simply- cut off the electricity.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Rational, @Curle, @dfordoom

    It is interesting again that both the Establishment and the populist right see this as a race war- they accept each others premises, and just disagree about the role each race plays.

    Yep. The populist right has agreed to fight the battle the Establishment wants them to fight, according to the Establishment’s rules and on ground of the Establishment’s choosing. That’s not the way sane people fight a war.

  87. @Reg Cæsar
    @dfordoom


    But until South Korea was exposed to the dubious benefits of western civilisation and capitalism they had a perfectly healthy birth rate. Which suggests that it’s the effects of western civilisation and capitalism that is destroying them.

     

    Not "Western civilization", wealth. Wealth without faith.


    Children lose their economic value while costing even more. Without a strong sense of duty, few will want to put up with the hassle. Also, even more avenues of "entertainment", i.e., distraction, are opened up.

    Korea is 25% Christian, Vietnam perhaps 10%. Has anyone compared Christian with non-Christian fertility in these and other Asian populations?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Korea is 25% Christian, Vietnam perhaps 10%.

    And Vietnam’s TFR is roughly double South Korea’s. Which is scary when you consider that Vietnam’s TFR is well below replacement level.

    Has anyone compared Christian with non-Christian fertility in these and other Asian populations?

    It would be interesting.

    Not “Western civilization”, wealth. Wealth without faith.

    Isn’t wealth without faith pretty much what modern western civilisation and capitalism are all about?

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom

    It is interesting, this reminds me of a recent interview the Mad Mamluks did with Joram Van Klaveren, who used to hang with Geert Wilders...
    https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/liggend/public/content/images/2019/02/05/ANP-22948971.jpg

    ... but then converted to Islam. He said the vast majority of these guys running these Western-civilization-revival parties had no faith and if he brought it up - since he actually was a believing Christian, as he was raised - they would quickly change the subject.

    Interview below the More tag for those interested.

    Peace.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeE9x_dBYaQ

  88. @dfordoom
    @Reg Cæsar


    Korea is 25% Christian, Vietnam perhaps 10%.
     
    And Vietnam's TFR is roughly double South Korea's. Which is scary when you consider that Vietnam's TFR is well below replacement level.

    Has anyone compared Christian with non-Christian fertility in these and other Asian populations?
     
    It would be interesting.

    Not “Western civilization”, wealth. Wealth without faith.
     
    Isn't wealth without faith pretty much what modern western civilisation and capitalism are all about?

    Replies: @Talha

    It is interesting, this reminds me of a recent interview the Mad Mamluks did with Joram Van Klaveren, who used to hang with Geert Wilders…

    … but then converted to Islam. He said the vast majority of these guys running these Western-civilization-revival parties had no faith and if he brought it up – since he actually was a believing Christian, as he was raised – they would quickly change the subject.

    Interview below the More tag for those interested.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

  89. @AaronB
    @Rosie

    Stating a fact in the context of a sober political discussion about effective strategy - which relies on a clear eyed presentation of facts - elicits the reaction that I am rubbing it in your face and I should be banned for stating bald facts which you dislike. What matters is that this fact is distressing to you, not that soberly analyzing all facts is necessary to craft an effective strategy.

    What a petty mindset. Its unwilling to make emotional sacrifices for a larger cause. My personal distress is the most important thing, not the larger cause I am a part of.

    Which makes sense, as you are utterly fixated on your own sense of racial grievance and lack the ability to "zoom out" and form broad-based coalitions with other people who have grievances.

    Once again confirming that White racialists are too petty and lack vision to become part of the new dissident coalitions forming.

    Good luck.

    Replies: @Rosie, @dfordoom

    My personal distress is the most important thing, not the larger cause I am a part of.

    No Aaron, it is just very unseemly and inappropriate for you to tell Whites not to advocate for our interests as Whites.

    You’re not offering anything helpful. All your doing is telling us to give up and get our thirty pieces of silver or bowp of porridge or whatever it is you think we’re going to get out of allying with Jews.

    You are playing the usual divide and conquer game, based on class rather than gender. But as I mentioned on an another thread, our own elites gave us the 1924 Immigration Act. You’re if-we-weren’t-ruining-you-someone-else-would defense is demonstrably false.

  90. @AaronB
    @Rosie

    Stating a fact in the context of a sober political discussion about effective strategy - which relies on a clear eyed presentation of facts - elicits the reaction that I am rubbing it in your face and I should be banned for stating bald facts which you dislike. What matters is that this fact is distressing to you, not that soberly analyzing all facts is necessary to craft an effective strategy.

    What a petty mindset. Its unwilling to make emotional sacrifices for a larger cause. My personal distress is the most important thing, not the larger cause I am a part of.

    Which makes sense, as you are utterly fixated on your own sense of racial grievance and lack the ability to "zoom out" and form broad-based coalitions with other people who have grievances.

    Once again confirming that White racialists are too petty and lack vision to become part of the new dissident coalitions forming.

    Good luck.

    Replies: @Rosie, @dfordoom

    Which makes sense, as you are utterly fixated on your own sense of racial grievance and lack the ability to “zoom out” and form broad-based coalitions with other people who have grievances.

    I think that’s a fair point.

    Once again confirming that White racialists are too petty and lack vision to become part of the new dissident coalitions forming.

    I think the populist/dissident/white nationalist right really is in danger of finding itself seriously isolated and marginalised. And being seriously isolated and marginalised is something that is going to be increasingly unpleasant in the near future.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @dfordoom

    Yes, I think there is a groundswell of dissident sentiment in this country, perhaps the entire West, and the racialist right will find itself increasingly on the outside looking in.

    Which is unfortunate, because you want as much broad-based unity as possible. I wouldn't even mind so much if race was important to them but they weren't so aggressive and blatant about it and didn't reduce the entire question to one of race and not focus at all on structural inequality, and believe same-race elites are necessarily benevolent and all you need for justice is a homogenous country.

    Lots of fairy tale thinking and willful closing of one's eyes, as well as a determination to ignore history with its grim record of endless civil wars in homogenous societies.

    Just too much fantasy thinking.

    The problem too is that they seem to max out, or come close to it, on the anti-social dimension - you have to be a little anti-social to be a dissident but too much, and you can't turn it off and unite with anyone. Thats why you see so much misogyny among them - any group they don't belong to is bad.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Rosie
    @dfordoom


    I think the populist/dissident/white nationalist right really is in danger of finding itself seriously isolated and marginalised. And being seriously isolated and marginalised is something that is going to be increasingly unpleasant in the near future.
     
    This is an unduly pessimistic view of non-Whites. If Whites can be persuaded to treat minority interests as sacrosanct, why cannot non-Whites be persuaded to treat White interests as sacrosanct? (ht Greg Johnson)

    One might respond that Whites do not have the media power to make this happen, and of course, therein lies the problem with trying to avoid the JQ.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  91. It is the elites that are playing divide and conquer. They are trying to get you to focus on race and not on social inequality.

    What they want, is a poor White to be fighting a poor Black, and vice versa, to focus attention away from inequality itself. While they recommend racism for you, they are happy to unite across racial and ethnic lines themselves, and form a united bloc against you.

    As long as you think having a White elite is the important thing, the elites feel much safer than if you question the privileges and power – or the very concept- of the elite itself.

    You mention the 1924 Immigration Act – surely you know that it did not restrict Mexican immigrants, because then as now they were seen as a source of cheap labor? And again, is it better if immigrants from Western Europe take your jobs or exploit you?

    The 1924 Act was driven entirely by elite concerns over how immigrants were affecting their wealth and power based on the beliefs of the time as well as the economic conditions of the time. It was believed that Jews and Eastern Europeans were inferior stock who could not make substantial contributions to national wealth and power and might even drag it down under existing economic conditions. Unlike Asian immigration today, which is high skilled, Asians at the time competed with the lower classes by being prepared to live and work in much worse conditions, leading to social unrest without there being a reliable flow in high enough numbers to make the price worth paying. The role of endless cheap labor was allotted to Mexican, who BTW were allowed to immigrate freely. As were Philippinos.

    Did these benevolent White elites of the 20s implement good policies that favored the people and supported economic equality and justice, or was the decade known as the Roating Twenties, a period of massive inequality and obscene wealth concentrated in few hands that preceded a crash? And what about the Gilded Age of the previous century, which featured greedy Robber Barons hoarding vast sums and impoverishing masses of people? Are you really prepared to do a historical analysis of same-race elites across time?

    Far from trying to divide you, I am proposing a united bloc of dissidents based on class not race – that’s the relevant division, not race.

    Under the Establishment, a poor Black gets affirmative action, while a poor White does not. That vanishes if class becomes the relevant distinction, clearly to the advantage of millions of Whites. How is that an example of a Jew trying to divide Whites to better rule over them?

    I am opposing all excessive elite privilege and power, whether its White, Jewish, Black, or Asian, in favor of greater fairness and justice for ordinary people. How is that an example of favoring Jewish interests?

    Since Jews are a disproportionate number of the elite, shouldn’t my attack on the elite de facto not favor Jewish interests?

    There are people, who for sentimental reasons would rather be exploited by someone of their own race than have a fair and just system for all – a sentiment unscrupulous elites will gladly encourage.

    If that’s your position, you’re entitled to it, but not much can be done with you.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @AaronB


    that’s the relevant division, not race.
     
    This is so tiresome, Aaron. What you are saying boils down to this: Yes, your race is in serious danger of going extinct, but you shouldn't care about that because White people disappearing from the face of the Earth is just fine. What you should really be worried about is whether there will be a more equitable distribution of what is left of Western civilization and its wealth among the remaining black, brown, and yellow people who will replace us.

    If you're such an insensitive blockhead tha that you cannot understand how obnoxious that is, not much can be done with you.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Rosie
    @AaronB


    And again, is it better if immigrants from Western Europe take your jobs or exploit you?
     
    Is this supposed to be a serious question?

    Yes, it absolutely would be better to be replaced by ourselves than by aliens.

    As for exploitation by other Whites, yes that would also be a great better. That way Jews wouldn't have so much money to bribe and/or terrorize White people.
  92. @dfordoom
    @AaronB


    Which makes sense, as you are utterly fixated on your own sense of racial grievance and lack the ability to “zoom out” and form broad-based coalitions with other people who have grievances.
     
    I think that's a fair point.

    Once again confirming that White racialists are too petty and lack vision to become part of the new dissident coalitions forming.
     
    I think the populist/dissident/white nationalist right really is in danger of finding itself seriously isolated and marginalised. And being seriously isolated and marginalised is something that is going to be increasingly unpleasant in the near future.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Rosie

    Yes, I think there is a groundswell of dissident sentiment in this country, perhaps the entire West, and the racialist right will find itself increasingly on the outside looking in.

    Which is unfortunate, because you want as much broad-based unity as possible. I wouldn’t even mind so much if race was important to them but they weren’t so aggressive and blatant about it and didn’t reduce the entire question to one of race and not focus at all on structural inequality, and believe same-race elites are necessarily benevolent and all you need for justice is a homogenous country.

    Lots of fairy tale thinking and willful closing of one’s eyes, as well as a determination to ignore history with its grim record of endless civil wars in homogenous societies.

    Just too much fantasy thinking.

    The problem too is that they seem to max out, or come close to it, on the anti-social dimension – you have to be a little anti-social to be a dissident but too much, and you can’t turn it off and unite with anyone. Thats why you see so much misogyny among them – any group they don’t belong to is bad.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @AaronB


    Lots of fairy tale thinking and willful closing of one’s eyes, as well as a determination to ignore history with its grim record of endless civil wars in homogenous societies.

    Just too much fantasy thinking.
     
    That sums them up pretty well.

    Thats why you see so much misogyny among them – any group they don’t belong to is bad.
     
    Looking for someone to blame seems to be the hallmark of the far right. Naturally if they can't get girlfriends it must be the fault of women. If they can't get into Harvard it's the fault of the Jews.
    If they lose their jobs it's the fault of immigrants. If they can't make their mortgage payments it's the fault of the blacks. If they can't afford a new car it's the fault of the communists. If they can't pay their credit card bill it's the fault of the Democrats.

    They're the eternal victims and everyone is conspiring against them.

    Replies: @AaronB

  93. @Talha
    @nebulafox

    Good points. And the fact of the matter is that this info is so widespread that even my teenage son knows the basics of what is going on with GameStop (a place my boys like to visit) and the market. It’s as if these guys picked a fight with Chuck E Cheese’s or something. I talked him through what’s going on and he actually had a fairly good grasp of the dynamics. He is already being introduced to the corruption in the market and the idea of financial elites and inner circles years before I had any clue about it.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Bill Jones

    Many years ago there was a minor (much needed) effort to defund PBS.
    The shitlibs had the soccer moms out in droves whingeing about the upcoming Muppet-cide.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Bill Jones


    Muppet-cide
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9b/f1/4b/9bf14b4951e81bdd37032796901b8869.gif

    Peace.
  94. @Kent Nationalist
    @dfordoom

    An explicitly Jewish organisation (the CST) is currently engaging in censoring Bitchute in Britain, just like the ADL has in America. You are either very ignorant, very stupid or a liar.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    You are either very ignorant, very stupid or a liar.

    The three attributes are not mutually exclusive and there’s a shortcut: He’s a Jew.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Bill Jones


    The three attributes are not mutually exclusive and there’s a shortcut: He’s a Jew.
     
    You're one of the "anyone who disagrees with me must be a Jew" brigade.

    Sometimes people disagree with you not because they're Jews, but simply because you're wrong and foolish.
  95. Western Civilization is not the problem in the Far East.
    The mind poison of Jewish Feminism and Egalitarianism is the problem.
    The Jews are attacking the Far East now.

    Much like they detest Whites, they detest Far East Asians.
    Why? Because we are both SMARTER than Jews.
    The only reason the dark skins are pushed is because they are STUPID.

    That and the mad fantasies of power in the dirty book.
    The Babylonian Talmud is full of Jewish Fantasies.
    It and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion explain it all.

    The way to crush Zionism is to facilitate the Dark Slave Revolt.
    That and the Marxist “revolution”. It is ingrained in the dying system.
    Get them to EAT THE RICH, and attack the white debbils.

    Both the Rich and the white debbils are Jews.
    Get the demographics together in the same place.
    Let nature take its course. Get rid of the Thin Blue Line that separates them.

    Sabotage, subvert and smile everyone. Make our enemies destroy each other.
    Its satisfying and ironic. The best of both worlds.
    The Jews need to taste the shit they profess. And swallow it or be swallowed.

  96. @Bill Jones
    @Talha

    Many years ago there was a minor (much needed) effort to defund PBS.
    The shitlibs had the soccer moms out in droves whingeing about the upcoming Muppet-cide.

    Replies: @Talha

    Muppet-cide

    Peace.

  97. @Bill Jones
    @Kent Nationalist


    You are either very ignorant, very stupid or a liar.
     
    The three attributes are not mutually exclusive and there's a shortcut: He's a Jew.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The three attributes are not mutually exclusive and there’s a shortcut: He’s a Jew.

    You’re one of the “anyone who disagrees with me must be a Jew” brigade.

    Sometimes people disagree with you not because they’re Jews, but simply because you’re wrong and foolish.

  98. @AaronB
    @Rosie

    It is the elites that are playing divide and conquer. They are trying to get you to focus on race and not on social inequality.

    What they want, is a poor White to be fighting a poor Black, and vice versa, to focus attention away from inequality itself. While they recommend racism for you, they are happy to unite across racial and ethnic lines themselves, and form a united bloc against you.

    As long as you think having a White elite is the important thing, the elites feel much safer than if you question the privileges and power - or the very concept- of the elite itself.

    You mention the 1924 Immigration Act - surely you know that it did not restrict Mexican immigrants, because then as now they were seen as a source of cheap labor? And again, is it better if immigrants from Western Europe take your jobs or exploit you?

    The 1924 Act was driven entirely by elite concerns over how immigrants were affecting their wealth and power based on the beliefs of the time as well as the economic conditions of the time. It was believed that Jews and Eastern Europeans were inferior stock who could not make substantial contributions to national wealth and power and might even drag it down under existing economic conditions. Unlike Asian immigration today, which is high skilled, Asians at the time competed with the lower classes by being prepared to live and work in much worse conditions, leading to social unrest without there being a reliable flow in high enough numbers to make the price worth paying. The role of endless cheap labor was allotted to Mexican, who BTW were allowed to immigrate freely. As were Philippinos.

    Did these benevolent White elites of the 20s implement good policies that favored the people and supported economic equality and justice, or was the decade known as the Roating Twenties, a period of massive inequality and obscene wealth concentrated in few hands that preceded a crash? And what about the Gilded Age of the previous century, which featured greedy Robber Barons hoarding vast sums and impoverishing masses of people? Are you really prepared to do a historical analysis of same-race elites across time?

    Far from trying to divide you, I am proposing a united bloc of dissidents based on class not race - that's the relevant division, not race.

    Under the Establishment, a poor Black gets affirmative action, while a poor White does not. That vanishes if class becomes the relevant distinction, clearly to the advantage of millions of Whites. How is that an example of a Jew trying to divide Whites to better rule over them?

    I am opposing all excessive elite privilege and power, whether its White, Jewish, Black, or Asian, in favor of greater fairness and justice for ordinary people. How is that an example of favoring Jewish interests?

    Since Jews are a disproportionate number of the elite, shouldn't my attack on the elite de facto not favor Jewish interests?

    There are people, who for sentimental reasons would rather be exploited by someone of their own race than have a fair and just system for all - a sentiment unscrupulous elites will gladly encourage.

    If that's your position, you're entitled to it, but not much can be done with you.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie

    that’s the relevant division, not race.

    This is so tiresome, Aaron. What you are saying boils down to this: Yes, your race is in serious danger of going extinct, but you shouldn’t care about that because White people disappearing from the face of the Earth is just fine. What you should really be worried about is whether there will be a more equitable distribution of what is left of Western civilization and its wealth among the remaining black, brown, and yellow people who will replace us.

    If you’re such an insensitive blockhead tha that you cannot understand how obnoxious that is, not much can be done with you.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Rosie

    But you are not trying to help the White race survive.

    Viewing this through class instead of race is what would save White people en mass. If affirmative action was based on class not race, millions of Whites would receive affirmative action and benefit. Outsourcing to China, bringing in skilled Indian and Asian labor to compete with natives, and mass unskilled Mexican labor, are class-based policies designed to enrich the White elite at the expense of other Whites. The anti-White messages, and the race baiting, serve the elite agenda of preventing unity among the non-elite and refocusing attention away from class and social inequality.

    Since history shows that White elites have massively exploited their native peoples to enrich themselves, there is no reason to expect that a White elite would not pursue these class-based policies in order to enrich themselves (in fact the White elite, still the majority today, is doing exactly that now).

    Refusing to see the class angle, refusing to accept the overwhelming historical record of White elites egregiously exploiting and sacrificing Whites en mass to enrich themselves, is to condemn the mass of Whites to their dismal fate.

    But you said you would not mind if White elites were the ones exploiting you - so you aren't interested in helping the White race en mass avoid exploitation or helping its survival. You are happy to sacrifice the White race to your sentimental dream.

    The only main competitors to Jews are the White elite, not the White masses. If Jews wanted to neutralize a White threat they would focus their efforts on the White elite, not waste their time demonizing lower-class Whites - instead, the White elite is doing extremely well under the current system, still remain the majority of billionaires and power holders, and Jews intermarry with them at a high rate and are extremely friendly with them.

    Because race is your major source of identity, you cannot see within-race division as it intersects with class as the major threat to the White race.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  99. @dfordoom
    @AaronB


    Which makes sense, as you are utterly fixated on your own sense of racial grievance and lack the ability to “zoom out” and form broad-based coalitions with other people who have grievances.
     
    I think that's a fair point.

    Once again confirming that White racialists are too petty and lack vision to become part of the new dissident coalitions forming.
     
    I think the populist/dissident/white nationalist right really is in danger of finding itself seriously isolated and marginalised. And being seriously isolated and marginalised is something that is going to be increasingly unpleasant in the near future.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Rosie

    I think the populist/dissident/white nationalist right really is in danger of finding itself seriously isolated and marginalised. And being seriously isolated and marginalised is something that is going to be increasingly unpleasant in the near future.

    This is an unduly pessimistic view of non-Whites. If Whites can be persuaded to treat minority interests as sacrosanct, why cannot non-Whites be persuaded to treat White interests as sacrosanct? (ht Greg Johnson)

    One might respond that Whites do not have the media power to make this happen, and of course, therein lies the problem with trying to avoid the JQ.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Rosie



    I think the populist/dissident/white nationalist right really is in danger of finding itself seriously isolated and marginalised. And being seriously isolated and marginalised is something that is going to be increasingly unpleasant in the near future.
     
    This is an unduly pessimistic view of non-Whites. If Whites can be persuaded to treat minority interests as sacrosanct, why cannot non-Whites be persuaded to treat White interests as sacrosanct?
     
    It has nothing to do with non-whites. Non-whites have very little real political power. The political/financial/bureaucratic/academic/media establishment (which is mostly white) is going to stomp you because they intend to stomp anyone who isn't fully onboard with their neo-liberal agenda and they're to stomp anyone who might present even the tiniest threat to their wealth and power.

    The Establishment doesn't give a damn about whites or non-whites. The Establishment cares about protecting its own interests. That means crushing all dissent.

    Establishment whites will gleefully stomp the far right.

    Replies: @Rosie

  100. @AaronB
    @Rosie

    It is the elites that are playing divide and conquer. They are trying to get you to focus on race and not on social inequality.

    What they want, is a poor White to be fighting a poor Black, and vice versa, to focus attention away from inequality itself. While they recommend racism for you, they are happy to unite across racial and ethnic lines themselves, and form a united bloc against you.

    As long as you think having a White elite is the important thing, the elites feel much safer than if you question the privileges and power - or the very concept- of the elite itself.

    You mention the 1924 Immigration Act - surely you know that it did not restrict Mexican immigrants, because then as now they were seen as a source of cheap labor? And again, is it better if immigrants from Western Europe take your jobs or exploit you?

    The 1924 Act was driven entirely by elite concerns over how immigrants were affecting their wealth and power based on the beliefs of the time as well as the economic conditions of the time. It was believed that Jews and Eastern Europeans were inferior stock who could not make substantial contributions to national wealth and power and might even drag it down under existing economic conditions. Unlike Asian immigration today, which is high skilled, Asians at the time competed with the lower classes by being prepared to live and work in much worse conditions, leading to social unrest without there being a reliable flow in high enough numbers to make the price worth paying. The role of endless cheap labor was allotted to Mexican, who BTW were allowed to immigrate freely. As were Philippinos.

    Did these benevolent White elites of the 20s implement good policies that favored the people and supported economic equality and justice, or was the decade known as the Roating Twenties, a period of massive inequality and obscene wealth concentrated in few hands that preceded a crash? And what about the Gilded Age of the previous century, which featured greedy Robber Barons hoarding vast sums and impoverishing masses of people? Are you really prepared to do a historical analysis of same-race elites across time?

    Far from trying to divide you, I am proposing a united bloc of dissidents based on class not race - that's the relevant division, not race.

    Under the Establishment, a poor Black gets affirmative action, while a poor White does not. That vanishes if class becomes the relevant distinction, clearly to the advantage of millions of Whites. How is that an example of a Jew trying to divide Whites to better rule over them?

    I am opposing all excessive elite privilege and power, whether its White, Jewish, Black, or Asian, in favor of greater fairness and justice for ordinary people. How is that an example of favoring Jewish interests?

    Since Jews are a disproportionate number of the elite, shouldn't my attack on the elite de facto not favor Jewish interests?

    There are people, who for sentimental reasons would rather be exploited by someone of their own race than have a fair and just system for all - a sentiment unscrupulous elites will gladly encourage.

    If that's your position, you're entitled to it, but not much can be done with you.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie

    And again, is it better if immigrants from Western Europe take your jobs or exploit you?

    Is this supposed to be a serious question?

    Yes, it absolutely would be better to be replaced by ourselves than by aliens.

    As for exploitation by other Whites, yes that would also be a great better. That way Jews wouldn’t have so much money to bribe and/or terrorize White people.

  101. @AaronB
    @dfordoom

    Yes, I think there is a groundswell of dissident sentiment in this country, perhaps the entire West, and the racialist right will find itself increasingly on the outside looking in.

    Which is unfortunate, because you want as much broad-based unity as possible. I wouldn't even mind so much if race was important to them but they weren't so aggressive and blatant about it and didn't reduce the entire question to one of race and not focus at all on structural inequality, and believe same-race elites are necessarily benevolent and all you need for justice is a homogenous country.

    Lots of fairy tale thinking and willful closing of one's eyes, as well as a determination to ignore history with its grim record of endless civil wars in homogenous societies.

    Just too much fantasy thinking.

    The problem too is that they seem to max out, or come close to it, on the anti-social dimension - you have to be a little anti-social to be a dissident but too much, and you can't turn it off and unite with anyone. Thats why you see so much misogyny among them - any group they don't belong to is bad.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Lots of fairy tale thinking and willful closing of one’s eyes, as well as a determination to ignore history with its grim record of endless civil wars in homogenous societies.

    Just too much fantasy thinking.

    That sums them up pretty well.

    Thats why you see so much misogyny among them – any group they don’t belong to is bad.

    Looking for someone to blame seems to be the hallmark of the far right. Naturally if they can’t get girlfriends it must be the fault of women. If they can’t get into Harvard it’s the fault of the Jews.
    If they lose their jobs it’s the fault of immigrants. If they can’t make their mortgage payments it’s the fault of the blacks. If they can’t afford a new car it’s the fault of the communists. If they can’t pay their credit card bill it’s the fault of the Democrats.

    They’re the eternal victims and everyone is conspiring against them.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @dfordoom

    Yes, I agree with you.

    Its another question of balance. If you dont have a healthy sense of grievance you'll never identify when you're being exploited, but a "runaway sense of grievance" can develop which becomes a kind of unhealthy self-pity that just escalates and takes over your mind. Its a mental disease.

    There is also "displacement". A person knows something isn't right, the system is screwing him, he's in pain and distress, but he doesn't know whats wrong exactly. So it's women's fault, its Jews fault, its Blacks fault, or its Russias fault, etc.

    I am not personally offended by antisemitism because I view it entirely as a displacement phenomenon.

  102. @Rosie
    @dfordoom


    I think the populist/dissident/white nationalist right really is in danger of finding itself seriously isolated and marginalised. And being seriously isolated and marginalised is something that is going to be increasingly unpleasant in the near future.
     
    This is an unduly pessimistic view of non-Whites. If Whites can be persuaded to treat minority interests as sacrosanct, why cannot non-Whites be persuaded to treat White interests as sacrosanct? (ht Greg Johnson)

    One might respond that Whites do not have the media power to make this happen, and of course, therein lies the problem with trying to avoid the JQ.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I think the populist/dissident/white nationalist right really is in danger of finding itself seriously isolated and marginalised. And being seriously isolated and marginalised is something that is going to be increasingly unpleasant in the near future.

    This is an unduly pessimistic view of non-Whites. If Whites can be persuaded to treat minority interests as sacrosanct, why cannot non-Whites be persuaded to treat White interests as sacrosanct?

    It has nothing to do with non-whites. Non-whites have very little real political power. The political/financial/bureaucratic/academic/media establishment (which is mostly white) is going to stomp you because they intend to stomp anyone who isn’t fully onboard with their neo-liberal agenda and they’re to stomp anyone who might present even the tiniest threat to their wealth and power.

    The Establishment doesn’t give a damn about whites or non-whites. The Establishment cares about protecting its own interests. That means crushing all dissent.

    Establishment whites will gleefully stomp the far right.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @dfordoom

    You're just counseling craven surrender. Yes, that would be the path of least resistance. It would also be pathetically dishonorable.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  103. @Rosie
    @AaronB


    that’s the relevant division, not race.
     
    This is so tiresome, Aaron. What you are saying boils down to this: Yes, your race is in serious danger of going extinct, but you shouldn't care about that because White people disappearing from the face of the Earth is just fine. What you should really be worried about is whether there will be a more equitable distribution of what is left of Western civilization and its wealth among the remaining black, brown, and yellow people who will replace us.

    If you're such an insensitive blockhead tha that you cannot understand how obnoxious that is, not much can be done with you.

    Replies: @AaronB

    But you are not trying to help the White race survive.

    Viewing this through class instead of race is what would save White people en mass. If affirmative action was based on class not race, millions of Whites would receive affirmative action and benefit. Outsourcing to China, bringing in skilled Indian and Asian labor to compete with natives, and mass unskilled Mexican labor, are class-based policies designed to enrich the White elite at the expense of other Whites. The anti-White messages, and the race baiting, serve the elite agenda of preventing unity among the non-elite and refocusing attention away from class and social inequality.

    Since history shows that White elites have massively exploited their native peoples to enrich themselves, there is no reason to expect that a White elite would not pursue these class-based policies in order to enrich themselves (in fact the White elite, still the majority today, is doing exactly that now).

    Refusing to see the class angle, refusing to accept the overwhelming historical record of White elites egregiously exploiting and sacrificing Whites en mass to enrich themselves, is to condemn the mass of Whites to their dismal fate.

    But you said you would not mind if White elites were the ones exploiting you – so you aren’t interested in helping the White race en mass avoid exploitation or helping its survival. You are happy to sacrifice the White race to your sentimental dream.

    The only main competitors to Jews are the White elite, not the White masses. If Jews wanted to neutralize a White threat they would focus their efforts on the White elite, not waste their time demonizing lower-class Whites – instead, the White elite is doing extremely well under the current system, still remain the majority of billionaires and power holders, and Jews intermarry with them at a high rate and are extremely friendly with them.

    Because race is your major source of identity, you cannot see within-race division as it intersects with class as the major threat to the White race.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @AaronB


    Viewing this through class instead of race is what would save White people en mass. If affirmative action was based on class not race, millions of Whites would receive affirmative action and benefit.
     
    Including non-Whites of any class does nothing to save the White race.

    You are so transparent, parasite.

    Replies: @AaronB

  104. The Zionists are pissing in the wind, I see.
    Claiming the Judas Goats are the “white elite”.
    HAHAHAHAHA!

    There is no “elite”. There are stupid dead birds on high perches.
    Its a long way down for these Dodo birds.
    They are dead already. Their attempt at criminalising 70 millions is laughable.

    Stupid Joe Biden wants to add millions of bums to the dole.
    At a time of near total bankruptcy.
    Such genius. What hubris. STUPIDITY to the nth scale.

    These Jews are attempting to blunt your anger.
    Ignore their bleating. Laugh at their bluster.
    THEY ARE COWARDS.

    FEEL THE ANGER AND THE HATE RISING WITHIN YOU.
    FEED ON THAT EMOTION. LET IT GROW.
    JOIN THE DARK ENLIGHTENMENT.

    The System is dying out.
    It is now desperately clinging to anything.
    Censoring everyone telling the Truth.

    Weimar 2.0 is imploding.
    The “revolution” shall EAT ITS OWN.
    A NEW ORDER SHALL RISE FROM THE ASHES LIKE A PHOENIX.

    Everything is happening as I have foreseen.
    Zionism is the Dodo bird.
    Globalism is its own demise.

  105. @dfordoom
    @AaronB


    Lots of fairy tale thinking and willful closing of one’s eyes, as well as a determination to ignore history with its grim record of endless civil wars in homogenous societies.

    Just too much fantasy thinking.
     
    That sums them up pretty well.

    Thats why you see so much misogyny among them – any group they don’t belong to is bad.
     
    Looking for someone to blame seems to be the hallmark of the far right. Naturally if they can't get girlfriends it must be the fault of women. If they can't get into Harvard it's the fault of the Jews.
    If they lose their jobs it's the fault of immigrants. If they can't make their mortgage payments it's the fault of the blacks. If they can't afford a new car it's the fault of the communists. If they can't pay their credit card bill it's the fault of the Democrats.

    They're the eternal victims and everyone is conspiring against them.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Yes, I agree with you.

    Its another question of balance. If you dont have a healthy sense of grievance you’ll never identify when you’re being exploited, but a “runaway sense of grievance” can develop which becomes a kind of unhealthy self-pity that just escalates and takes over your mind. Its a mental disease.

    There is also “displacement”. A person knows something isn’t right, the system is screwing him, he’s in pain and distress, but he doesn’t know whats wrong exactly. So it’s women’s fault, its Jews fault, its Blacks fault, or its Russias fault, etc.

    I am not personally offended by antisemitism because I view it entirely as a displacement phenomenon.

  106. @AaronB
    @Rosie

    But you are not trying to help the White race survive.

    Viewing this through class instead of race is what would save White people en mass. If affirmative action was based on class not race, millions of Whites would receive affirmative action and benefit. Outsourcing to China, bringing in skilled Indian and Asian labor to compete with natives, and mass unskilled Mexican labor, are class-based policies designed to enrich the White elite at the expense of other Whites. The anti-White messages, and the race baiting, serve the elite agenda of preventing unity among the non-elite and refocusing attention away from class and social inequality.

    Since history shows that White elites have massively exploited their native peoples to enrich themselves, there is no reason to expect that a White elite would not pursue these class-based policies in order to enrich themselves (in fact the White elite, still the majority today, is doing exactly that now).

    Refusing to see the class angle, refusing to accept the overwhelming historical record of White elites egregiously exploiting and sacrificing Whites en mass to enrich themselves, is to condemn the mass of Whites to their dismal fate.

    But you said you would not mind if White elites were the ones exploiting you - so you aren't interested in helping the White race en mass avoid exploitation or helping its survival. You are happy to sacrifice the White race to your sentimental dream.

    The only main competitors to Jews are the White elite, not the White masses. If Jews wanted to neutralize a White threat they would focus their efforts on the White elite, not waste their time demonizing lower-class Whites - instead, the White elite is doing extremely well under the current system, still remain the majority of billionaires and power holders, and Jews intermarry with them at a high rate and are extremely friendly with them.

    Because race is your major source of identity, you cannot see within-race division as it intersects with class as the major threat to the White race.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Viewing this through class instead of race is what would save White people en mass. If affirmative action was based on class not race, millions of Whites would receive affirmative action and benefit.

    Including non-Whites of any class does nothing to save the White race.

    You are so transparent, parasite.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mr. Rational

    Ok, you go make your White ethnostate with an unrestrained White elite.

    Meanwhile, I'll join together with Whites, Blacks, Asians, Jews, and Hispanics in America who are fed up with elite abuse and work together to restrain elite power and privilege to create a more just and fair society for all in which class considerations trump race.

    In my system, Whites, along with everyone else (and perhaps that's the rub, eh?), will flourish and be able to afford big beautiful families and good lives.

    In your system- well, maybe your traditional White elite will end up being really nice to you and voluntarily share their wealth with you, because history shows that homogenous societies don't have revolutions and are utopias of fairness and justice...

    Good luck, hombre.

    I guess not everyone who is dissatisfied with the current system are natural allies.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  107. @dfordoom
    @Rosie



    I think the populist/dissident/white nationalist right really is in danger of finding itself seriously isolated and marginalised. And being seriously isolated and marginalised is something that is going to be increasingly unpleasant in the near future.
     
    This is an unduly pessimistic view of non-Whites. If Whites can be persuaded to treat minority interests as sacrosanct, why cannot non-Whites be persuaded to treat White interests as sacrosanct?
     
    It has nothing to do with non-whites. Non-whites have very little real political power. The political/financial/bureaucratic/academic/media establishment (which is mostly white) is going to stomp you because they intend to stomp anyone who isn't fully onboard with their neo-liberal agenda and they're to stomp anyone who might present even the tiniest threat to their wealth and power.

    The Establishment doesn't give a damn about whites or non-whites. The Establishment cares about protecting its own interests. That means crushing all dissent.

    Establishment whites will gleefully stomp the far right.

    Replies: @Rosie

    You’re just counseling craven surrender. Yes, that would be the path of least resistance. It would also be pathetically dishonorable.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Rosie


    You’re just counseling craven surrender. Yes, that would be the path of least resistance. It would also be pathetically dishonorable.
     
    I'm not counselling surrender. I'm suggesting that seeking glorious defeat is silly. Don't fight political battles unless you have a chance of winning.

    If you don't have a chance of winning a particular political battle then you need to analyse the reasons why and figure out ways that you can win. This might involve making tactical alliances. It might involve abandoning obviously losing tactics, or at least modifying them. It might involve rethinking your overall strategy. It might involve setting more realistic short-term objectives. It might involve making your movement more attractive to ordinary people. It might involve distancing yourself from obvious crazies who will damage your movement. It might involve avoiding battle now and waiting for a better opportunity.

    I don't think a white ethnostate is an achievable objective, at least in the foreseeable future. So consider compromise objectives that might be more achievable. It's unrealistic to think that non-whites are going to go away just because you don't like them.

    Your point about real diversity being impossible without borders was an excellent one. Emphasising that point might well be a successful tactic in opposing immigration.

    There are potential allies. Working-class blacks get screwed by immigration. Working-class blacks get screwed by neoliberal economic policies. If you're in favour of social conservatism then conservative Muslims would be obvious allies. So would Orthodox Jews.

    The trans agenda is obviously extremely misogynist. And old school radical feminists oppose the trans agenda. So old school radical feminists are potential allies in fighting that agenda.

    Hitler fanboys have done immense damage to the populist right. Distancing yourselves from the Hitler fanboys would be a sensible move. 99% of the population are appalled by antisemitism. Antisemitism, especially in the US, is a guaranteed losing strategy.

    Conspiracy theories make your movement look like a bunch of crazies. Distancing yourselves from the kooks who believe in Satanic conspiracies would be a sensible move.

    At the moment the Biden Administration is riding high, but give it a year or two for neoliberal economic policies to start hurting ordinary people and the opportunities for opposing the Administration might be much more favourable.

    There's no glory in losing. Look for ways to achieve long-term victories.
  108. @Mr. Rational
    @AaronB


    Viewing this through class instead of race is what would save White people en mass. If affirmative action was based on class not race, millions of Whites would receive affirmative action and benefit.
     
    Including non-Whites of any class does nothing to save the White race.

    You are so transparent, parasite.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Ok, you go make your White ethnostate with an unrestrained White elite.

    Meanwhile, I’ll join together with Whites, Blacks, Asians, Jews, and Hispanics in America who are fed up with elite abuse and work together to restrain elite power and privilege to create a more just and fair society for all in which class considerations trump race.

    In my system, Whites, along with everyone else (and perhaps that’s the rub, eh?), will flourish and be able to afford big beautiful families and good lives.

    In your system- well, maybe your traditional White elite will end up being really nice to you and voluntarily share their wealth with you, because history shows that homogenous societies don’t have revolutions and are utopias of fairness and justice…

    Good luck, hombre.

    I guess not everyone who is dissatisfied with the current system are natural allies.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @AaronB

    The last time the USA got its act together and reined in the elites, it WAS pretty much a White ethnostate.  Mass non-White immigration has been the elites' tool to keep the heat off of themselves.  But now the system is coming apart under the demands of so many parasites, and the non-Whites are going to go one way or another.

  109. @AaronB
    @Mr. Rational

    Ok, you go make your White ethnostate with an unrestrained White elite.

    Meanwhile, I'll join together with Whites, Blacks, Asians, Jews, and Hispanics in America who are fed up with elite abuse and work together to restrain elite power and privilege to create a more just and fair society for all in which class considerations trump race.

    In my system, Whites, along with everyone else (and perhaps that's the rub, eh?), will flourish and be able to afford big beautiful families and good lives.

    In your system- well, maybe your traditional White elite will end up being really nice to you and voluntarily share their wealth with you, because history shows that homogenous societies don't have revolutions and are utopias of fairness and justice...

    Good luck, hombre.

    I guess not everyone who is dissatisfied with the current system are natural allies.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    The last time the USA got its act together and reined in the elites, it WAS pretty much a White ethnostate.  Mass non-White immigration has been the elites’ tool to keep the heat off of themselves.  But now the system is coming apart under the demands of so many parasites, and the non-Whites are going to go one way or another.

  110. @Rosie
    @dfordoom

    You're just counseling craven surrender. Yes, that would be the path of least resistance. It would also be pathetically dishonorable.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    You’re just counseling craven surrender. Yes, that would be the path of least resistance. It would also be pathetically dishonorable.

    I’m not counselling surrender. I’m suggesting that seeking glorious defeat is silly. Don’t fight political battles unless you have a chance of winning.

    If you don’t have a chance of winning a particular political battle then you need to analyse the reasons why and figure out ways that you can win. This might involve making tactical alliances. It might involve abandoning obviously losing tactics, or at least modifying them. It might involve rethinking your overall strategy. It might involve setting more realistic short-term objectives. It might involve making your movement more attractive to ordinary people. It might involve distancing yourself from obvious crazies who will damage your movement. It might involve avoiding battle now and waiting for a better opportunity.

    I don’t think a white ethnostate is an achievable objective, at least in the foreseeable future. So consider compromise objectives that might be more achievable. It’s unrealistic to think that non-whites are going to go away just because you don’t like them.

    Your point about real diversity being impossible without borders was an excellent one. Emphasising that point might well be a successful tactic in opposing immigration.

    There are potential allies. Working-class blacks get screwed by immigration. Working-class blacks get screwed by neoliberal economic policies. If you’re in favour of social conservatism then conservative Muslims would be obvious allies. So would Orthodox Jews.

    The trans agenda is obviously extremely misogynist. And old school radical feminists oppose the trans agenda. So old school radical feminists are potential allies in fighting that agenda.

    Hitler fanboys have done immense damage to the populist right. Distancing yourselves from the Hitler fanboys would be a sensible move. 99% of the population are appalled by antisemitism. Antisemitism, especially in the US, is a guaranteed losing strategy.

    Conspiracy theories make your movement look like a bunch of crazies. Distancing yourselves from the kooks who believe in Satanic conspiracies would be a sensible move.

    At the moment the Biden Administration is riding high, but give it a year or two for neoliberal economic policies to start hurting ordinary people and the opportunities for opposing the Administration might be much more favourable.

    There’s no glory in losing. Look for ways to achieve long-term victories.

  111. anon[507] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom
    @Kent Nationalist


    Why not point out things that are obviously true, like that the people rigging the economy against you are Jews?
     
    Obviously if there's ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.

    As I've said many times, there are a lot of people on the far right who want to lose. They seem to be in love with the perverse glamour of lost causes.

    Paranoiacs don't want to win. They want to find ways of confirming their paranoia.

    And those paranoiacs have succeeded in wrecking the chances of right-wing populism.

    Replies: @MarkU, @Kent Nationalist, @anon

    Obviously if there’s ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.

    Or, the smart move by concern trolling libs like yourseff is to take a page from the jewish playbook and slander legitimate criticism as paranoia in a spectacular example of psychological projection gone wild.

    When a very specific group is conspicuously over-represented among the ranks of people actively subverting White America with malevolently vocal support for mass nonWhite immigration, and leading the antiWhite psychoterror campaign by pushing degeneracy and critical race theory down the throats of every White person age 2 to 99, then it is not whining nor paranoia to point out this reality and criticize it.

    In fact, it is a morally righteous imperative, because to cower in fear of jewish slander is to relegate your posterity to even worse predations.

    Jeiwsh power and malice toward Heritage America is such a paranoid conspiracy theory that mass censorship, deplatformings, demonetizations, and blacklistings must be necessary to teach people not to believe in such conspiracy theories.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon


    Or, the smart move by concern trolling libs like yourseff
     
    I'm a leftist, not a liberal. You probably don't know the difference.
  112. @anon
    @dfordoom


    Obviously if there’s ever the slightest chance of forming a broad-based populist coalition embracing both right and left-wing populists the smart move is to sabotage that chance by paranoid whining about evil Jewish conspiracies.
     
    Or, the smart move by concern trolling libs like yourseff is to take a page from the jewish playbook and slander legitimate criticism as paranoia in a spectacular example of psychological projection gone wild.

    When a very specific group is conspicuously over-represented among the ranks of people actively subverting White America with malevolently vocal support for mass nonWhite immigration, and leading the antiWhite psychoterror campaign by pushing degeneracy and critical race theory down the throats of every White person age 2 to 99, then it is not whining nor paranoia to point out this reality and criticize it.

    In fact, it is a morally righteous imperative, because to cower in fear of jewish slander is to relegate your posterity to even worse predations.

    Jeiwsh power and malice toward Heritage America is such a paranoid conspiracy theory that mass censorship, deplatformings, demonetizations, and blacklistings must be necessary to teach people not to believe in such conspiracy theories.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Or, the smart move by concern trolling libs like yourseff

    I’m a leftist, not a liberal. You probably don’t know the difference.

  113. @RSDB
    I am likely somewhat naive here, but is there any reason the progressive left and the populist right can't work together on issues on which they agree, and slug it out (metaphorically speaking) on issues on which they disagree?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    The right populists who try to will be barraged with comments like the ones from neutral and Kent Nationalist; the left populists who try to will be barraged with comments about legitimizing racists. Can that be overcome? Hope so, but don’t know.

  114. @Charles Pewitt
    Givens surname from my Tennessee grandmother gives me Scotch-Irish blood just like Andrew Jackson had and Andrew Jackson fought back against the money-grubbing hedge fund managers of his day in the Biddle mob just like these day trader Jacksonians are doing now and the Neoliberal Globalizer money-grubbers can go straight to the hottest pits of fiery HELL!

    Romney is a Pratt and I am a Prewitt -- hundred ways to spell it -- and the Virginia Company will crush those evil treasonous money-grubbing globalizer goons in the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire!

    I'll call them Scotch-Irish if I want and I don't want to hear no crap about Scotch being a drink!

    We all knew the Pratt vs Prewitt armageddon battle of the ages would arrive and we were just waiting for the moment all our lives and finally it has arrived and we must utilize the power for good that God has given us to crush the Globalizers and the Money-Grubbers and the Oligarchs and the Plutocrats and the politician whores and the vicious whores in the corporate propaganda apparatus who attack the historic American nation.

    Some of the Pratts ain't bad like that Suzanne Pratt beautiful raven haired dish with the Natalie Merchant pronunciations I used to watch on the Nightly Business Report and Pratt and Whitney started out making gears that fit and function decent like and they're okay too but that ROMNEY PRATT gang can go straight to bloody HELL!

    This stock market stuff is great fun and the comedy from the regular people against the hedge fund billionaire scum is hilarious!

    DAMMIT!

    https://twitter.com/HueyPilled/status/1355147644360925185?s=20

    https://twitter.com/USTechWorkers/status/1354854341547614212?s=20

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1354980441778843650?s=20

    https://twitter.com/ChristusPax/status/1354832647080595463?s=20

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Good God.

    “Insulting humor is still insulting.” “Irreverent humor is still irreverent.”

    It is the death of comedy.

  115. @Reg Cæsar
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I really don't care about Jews. Just curious as to why those who do always carve out these what Lawrence Auster would call "unprincipled exceptions".

    My examples fit their theories perfectly. So why won't they include them?

    If I wanted to commit genocide against a group without committing actual murders, the first thing I would do is hand out contraceptives and encourage their use.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Kent Nationalist, @Audacious Epigone

    On the list of the richest people in the world, we don’t get to a Jew until #5, Mark Zuckerberg. The world’s four richest people are white gentiles.

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