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From PredictIt comes a stark map of the US depicting the current market favorite to win the Democrat caucuses and primaries in each state. Darker blue (red) indicates a greater advantage for Biden (Sanders), lighter shades of blue (red) indicate a relatively lesser advantage for Biden (Sanders):
There are multiple ways to frame the Biden-Sanders showdown–neo-liberal vs progressive, old vs young, rich vs poor–but the most striking, and so the one the left is least interested in talking about, is that this electoral showdown will come down to a fight between black and white. The crucial question at this point appears to be whether or not Biden’s black support will hold after losses in Iowa and New Hampshire.
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Not surprising, if one knows about the politics of South Africa then one will recognize that America is following the same path. The Democrats are the like the ANC, they will eventually become the party of the one party state, they will win elections no matter what their performance is. With elections being a forgone conclusion all meaningful politics will be about internal factional battles, these factional battles will become more intense with time.
The permanent decline of the country will also be a feature that America will copy from South Africa.
First Amendment? You think it means freedom of speech? Wrong.
In a historic 5-4 ruling today, the Supreme Court, head by Chief Justice Kagan, declared hate speech is not protected by the constitution. So, watch what you say proles. You say maybe whites aren't really that institutionally racist based on the data -- hatespeech. What, you've got facts to go along with that? The truth is no defense. Oh, you think maybe we shouldn't be fighting the Russians in Ukraine -- hatespeech, maybe anti-Semitism, too. Your neighbor just reported to us you criticized our sacred military industrial complex -- hatespeech, attacking veterans. You told the local newspaper you don't trust the FBI. Hatespeech against government workers. Trust everything the government tells you.
Some justices on the Supreme Court have already made noises about reinterpreting the First Amendment to bar what they describe as "hate speech" (any speech they don't like, any speech that challenges the government); the Left has advocated for it on television for years. I believe the media was peddling the views of a Russian ex-pat residing in NYC a few years ago, one who advocates banning "hatespeech" on the grounds that Europe does it, too. In reality, they just want to stomp on their socioeconomic and ethnic rivals elsewhere. I'm sure the doctrine will be interpreted such that the interpretational class are never guilty, just like Elizabeth Warren proposing penalties for spreading conspiracy theories online on the anniversary of her spreading the Jussie Smollet hate hoax. Rules for thee, not for me.
It's crazy to think this stuff they've pulled under Trump could just be the tip of the iceberg. You think the political left will protect you against the government? Don't count on it. The people impeaching Trump are some of the most corrupt, biggest warmongers, and thoroughly immoral people around: we have a serial liar like Adam Schiff working with elements of the CIA to overthrow Trump from day 1. The guy lied on national television about having evidence of a Trump - Russia connection, and now he's back lying about knowing the whistleblower; he even lied during the course of the senate trial when he put words in the mouth of a witness. Perhaps we should consider an alternative political arrangement before it's too late.
That said the wokies are trying.Replies: @Jay Fink
The DNC establishment looks desperate and ready to accept defeat in the civil war with Bernie and his progressive army
https://failedevolution.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-dnc-establishment-looks-desperate.html
The plan all along from the Democrats has been to concede 2020 to Trump, so they could have four years to combat the Bernie/AOC wing of their own party. It’s going OK for them so far, but America is feeling the Bern!
Still, it’s amazing how little of Obama’s shine has rubbed off on Gropey Joe. The latest national poll had him on 26%, it really should be closer to 46% given the nostalgia for the Obama years.
“The crucial question at this point appears to be whether or not Biden’s black support will hold after losses in Iowa and New Hampshire.”
i agree, this is the crux of the Democrat primary.
i think it will hold.
same dynamic in 16 with Clinton and Sanders. Sanders was again the candidate for the suburban libertarians and young YTs. Clinton was the candidate with the african support.
probably the difference was, Clinton was able to eek out some wins in the early states, whereas the polls in 20 say Biden won’t be able to do that. so Biden will get to the states with lots of african voters having already lost 3 states in a row to the Joe Rogan voters.
i base this on the idea that in the past, african voters have been slower to change allegiances to the leading horse. Biden losing 3 states won’t be enough to get the South Carolina voters over to Sanders.
The map suggests that the nomination will be decided at the convention. Buy and hold Bloomberg at 18 cents.
Bernie is the only candidate that has any chance against Trump. This because Bernie’s people will NOT vote for the DNC/CNN candidate.
I’m sure that the MSM will prominently present Sanders voters as racists just like they present Trump voters as racists. Am I right?
Help us, Hillary Rodham Clinton, you’re our only hope!
2020 Elections
DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-110083
God is truly on our side.
I’ve been saying for a while now that this primary has been about the white vote reaction to the black vote victories in the last two contested Democratic primaries, Obama over Hillary and then Hillary over Sanders.
Also, it may be easier for independents to vote in Michigan primaries. Iowa polls show Bernie a lot more popular with them than with registered party members.
Then again, Iowa is a caucus state, and that takes a significantly larger commitment of time and energy than do primaries-- especially with Democrats. In Minnesota, the DFL caucuses can run late into the night; everybody has to sign off on everything. The GOP one, at least mine in St Paul, always knocked off precisely at nine, and we hit the bars.
In 2016, the DFL tried a hybrid-- the usual caucus, with the option of coming in just to cast a vote and then leaving.Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
Don't Eat The Bat Soup or you'll get BAT SOUP FEVER!
Syrup is essential to the enjoyment of blueberry pancakes and my recommendation is a nice maple syrup from New Hampshire. If you are unable to procure New Hampshire maple syrup, you must endure the misery of corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup and cellulose gum and other rather interesting things that are all industrially mixed together in massive vats and extruded into plastic containers of Aunt Jemima Original Syrup. Obviously, the original sin of Original Aunt Jemima Syrup is corn syrup.
Yeah, all that set up is to hit the bell and ring that bell on the strategy that dare not speak its name:
AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY
Joe Biden is going to use the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY to pound the electoral stuffing out of Bernie Sanders in South Carolina and in the other states of large concentrations of beautiful Black church ladies and other kinds of Black ladies who might be less church-going than some.
AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY explained:
The AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY is to win the votes of Black lady voters in the South and other areas of high Black population concentration. Hillary Clinton used the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY to fend of Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Democrat Party presidential primary campaign.
I'll add in my favorite new strategy called the GERMAN STRATEGY.
GERMAN STRATEGY explained:
The GERMAN STRATEGY is to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states in combination with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. Trumpy put the cherry on top of the GERMAN STRATEGY by winning Florida with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Northern portion of Florida in combination with the votes of the snowbirds from the Great Lakes states and the Northeast.
Showdown at big sky for the beautiful Black church ladies to deliver some biblical voter punishment to Bernie Sanders.
Robbie Robertson:
Give us the strength
Give us the wisdom
And give us tomorrow
Let the bells ring out
Hear the bells ring in
Let the bells ring out
Keep them ringing, ringing
https://youtu.be/5zKKdA1WJGYReplies: @MEH 0910
AE, any interest in correlating that map data to % black in each state?Replies: @Audacious Epigone
Michigan is blacker than Ohio. That Ohio looks blacker here suggests that whites in Ohio are more Republican, and don’t show up on this.
Also, it may be easier for independents to vote in Michigan primaries. Iowa polls show Bernie a lot more popular with them than with registered party members.
Then again, Iowa is a caucus state, and that takes a significantly larger commitment of time and energy than do primaries– especially with Democrats. In Minnesota, the DFL caucuses can run late into the night; everybody has to sign off on everything. The GOP one, at least mine in St Paul, always knocked off precisely at nine, and we hit the bars.
In 2016, the DFL tried a hybrid– the usual caucus, with the option of coming in just to cast a vote and then leaving.
Please allow me to repeat a comment from one of Steve’s threads, on an Iowa poll:
https://failedevolution.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-dnc-establishment-looks-desperate.htmlReplies: @Audacious Epigone
If the DNC had full control of the situation, the easy strategy for beating Sanders would be to have Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and Bloomberg drop out while demanding Elizabeth Warren stay in as long as possible. Bloomberg’s entry makes the least sense from the neo-liberal perspective–he has no chance of winning but he will steal some moderate votes from the non-progressive candidates.
You might find this interesting its from the 2019 voter survey
https://allthepics.net/image/MI0As
https://allthepics.net/image/MIzYCReplies: @Audacious Epigone
Still, it's amazing how little of Obama's shine has rubbed off on Gropey Joe. The latest national poll had him on 26%, it really should be closer to 46% given the nostalgia for the Obama years.Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Jay Fink
An official endorsement is another figurative bullet in the chamber against Sanders’ campaign, but by the time Obama is willing to fire it, Sanders may be strong enough to absorb it without breaking stride.
That’s what the “Bernie Bros” thing is about, albeit more heavily on the “sexist” angle rather than the “racist” one.
The permanent decline of the country will also be a feature that America will copy from South Africa.Replies: @anon, @MBlanc46, @SFG
From Politico yesterday:
All future presidents after 2020 will be selected behind the scenes by party bosses with national elections serving more as coronation than contest. That’s basically the CCP, minus the fig leaf of elections, and it’s coming to America soon. Speech restrictions, book bannings and the like (all advocated by leading democrats and/or being enacted by corporations now) will accelerate with no ability to put a brake on the process. There will be no more republican federal judges appointed after 2020, so the bureaucratic deepstate will be able to interpret away your freedoms as they see fit.
First Amendment? You think it means freedom of speech? Wrong.
In a historic 5-4 ruling today, the Supreme Court, head by Chief Justice Kagan, declared hate speech is not protected by the constitution. So, watch what you say proles. You say maybe whites aren’t really that institutionally racist based on the data — hatespeech. What, you’ve got facts to go along with that? The truth is no defense. Oh, you think maybe we shouldn’t be fighting the Russians in Ukraine — hatespeech, maybe anti-Semitism, too. Your neighbor just reported to us you criticized our sacred military industrial complex — hatespeech, attacking veterans. You told the local newspaper you don’t trust the FBI. Hatespeech against government workers. Trust everything the government tells you.
Some justices on the Supreme Court have already made noises about reinterpreting the First Amendment to bar what they describe as “hate speech” (any speech they don’t like, any speech that challenges the government); the Left has advocated for it on television for years. I believe the media was peddling the views of a Russian ex-pat residing in NYC a few years ago, one who advocates banning “hatespeech” on the grounds that Europe does it, too. In reality, they just want to stomp on their socioeconomic and ethnic rivals elsewhere. I’m sure the doctrine will be interpreted such that the interpretational class are never guilty, just like Elizabeth Warren proposing penalties for spreading conspiracy theories online on the anniversary of her spreading the Jussie Smollet hate hoax. Rules for thee, not for me.
It’s crazy to think this stuff they’ve pulled under Trump could just be the tip of the iceberg. You think the political left will protect you against the government? Don’t count on it. The people impeaching Trump are some of the most corrupt, biggest warmongers, and thoroughly immoral people around: we have a serial liar like Adam Schiff working with elements of the CIA to overthrow Trump from day 1. The guy lied on national television about having evidence of a Trump – Russia connection, and now he’s back lying about knowing the whistleblower; he even lied during the course of the senate trial when he put words in the mouth of a witness. Perhaps we should consider an alternative political arrangement before it’s too late.
This sentence is a masterful feat of compression, but I had to read it four or five times to understand it. Unlike a computer, I value my CPU cycles above the screen’s pixels. Pixels are free, man! Fell free to use two sentences instead of one!
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/the-democrats-civil-war-gets-nasty-in-iowa/
This is all about Israel now. Israel can’t call Sanders an anti semite like they did with Corbyn, so I suspect their tactic is to try use the black wall to get the standard Israel obeying neoliberal such as Biden elected. Expect the “Sanders hates blacks” propaganda to come from CNN, Fox, NYT very soon.
This is the attack that is coming.
Will it work as intended? We will see ;-)
https://twitter.com/carloshasanax/status/1144638210829692929
I think it is not so much about whether Bernie will be strong enough as about the nature of Obama’s endorsement. Obama’s endorsement carries the most weight with black voters, in other words, with the voters who are already supporting Biden anyway. So an Obama endorsement for anyone else would indeed be a silver bullet, but for Biden Obama’s endorsement will just register as “yea-nibba-wuchu-even-fink-I-wuz-dooin?”.
Already happening. Have you seen the media’s hysterical reactions to Joe Rogan’s tepid Sanders endorsement?
I've seen some of it.
Razib has a good post on this very topic.
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2020/01/28/liberal-democracy-as-a-balance-between-
deontology-and-consequentialism/Replies: @Almost Missouri
Already happening. Have you seen the media’s hysterical reactions to Joe Rogan’s tepid Sanders endorsement?
I’ve seen some of it.
Razib has a good post on this very topic.
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2020/01/28/liberal-democracy-as-a-balance-between-
deontology-and-consequentialism/
Yes, but note that The Squad is all in for Bernie. This is why “they” are so formidable and why “our” side founders. They know how to make a pact with the Devil and then cut him loose when they no longer need his help. Why can’t “we” do that?
Butch Cassidy : I couldn’t do that. Could you do that? Why can they do it? Who are those guys?
Bloombergs been on record saying he plans on staying in to pledge his delegates against Sanders.
You might find this interesting its from the 2019 voter survey
https://allthepics.net/image/MI0As
https://allthepics.net/image/MIzYC
I don’t quite agree with this framing and calling it a “Black/White” civil war seems exaggerated (if it had come down to Buttigieg vs. Biden, this could be accurate). It seems to me that black voters love Biden but still like Bernie.
Yes, blacks really like Biden which is why he has ~50% of the black vote. Bernie is at 20% with high favorables and is leading with young black voters.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GVR8Mb2iCpPfgfFQTFBf45thHic4sVQ1O3L7LsOLPSI/edit#gid=0
IMO, the difference between Bernie vs. Biden and Bernie vs. Hillary is as follows
>Biden is stronger with white working class voters than Hillary was [+ Biden]
>Bernie is stronger now with black voters then he was when he ran against Hillary [+ Bernie]
Also here are maps of predictit data of just Bernie (https://www.politicalalertengine.com/analytics/candidates/sanders) or just Biden (https://www.politicalalertengine.com/analytics/candidates/biden)
I've seen some of it.
Razib has a good post on this very topic.
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2020/01/28/liberal-democracy-as-a-balance-between-
deontology-and-consequentialism/Replies: @Almost Missouri
Ah, Razib…
I followed through all six paragraphs of Razib’s polysyllabic logic-pretzel purporting to explain
Any reader* of this site could have saved Razib about 700 words and earned him his very own Razor of Ockham:
Max and Bill are (((special))) while Joe is a deplorable.
There you go, mystery solved. Now you can have the rest of your day back.
*Odd that Razib used to be a writer here, yet apparently never learned anything here.
Biden’s blacks aren’t going anywhere, that’s the key to this whole race and a guarantor of his victory. Black Dem voters like a corrupt white guy, even preferable to one of their own, that will give them what they want– remember the first black president, Bill Clinton?
Black voters will go for Biden, but, unlike other Dem groups, they will stay home if he is not the nominee. Remember Hillary in ’16? All the other groups– the millenials, the feminists, the gays, the soccer moms, the white union guys with their lunch pails, etc.– will grit their teeth and show up for the black-preferred candidate, because they have no other option.
Equally important as this is the “special” status attached to black America by the left. If the blacks don’t love you, you have no legitimacy. When it becomes apparent that Bernie is not attracting blacks, he will be told by the Dem establishment and media that he “has a black voter problem, what are you going to do about?” If he had the nerve to reply that it was the blacks, not him, who had the problem, he would probably win the nomination and the election. But he won’t say that because, like all Democrats, he is constitutionally incapable of doing so.
Yes, blacks really like Biden which is why he has ~50% of the black vote. Bernie is at 20% with high favorables and is leading with young black voters.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GVR8Mb2iCpPfgfFQTFBf45thHic4sVQ1O3L7LsOLPSI/edit#gid=0
IMO, the difference between Bernie vs. Biden and Bernie vs. Hillary is as follows
>Biden is stronger with white working class voters than Hillary was [+ Biden]
>Bernie is stronger now with black voters then he was when he ran against Hillary [+ Bernie]
Also here are maps of predictit data of just Bernie (https://www.politicalalertengine.com/analytics/candidates/sanders) or just Biden (https://www.politicalalertengine.com/analytics/candidates/biden)Replies: @Gman
Also sanders is doing better with Hispanics (he is either #1 or tied with Biden in this regard)
Blueberry pancakes are delicious and the blue coloring of the berries is indicative of the presence of something called antioxidants and something called anthocyanin. The internet says anthocyanin is a plant compound that is good for you. Black beans have something similar. Eat some black beans with ground beef and sour cream and some blueberries with vanilla ice cream and you’ll get a delicious and nutritious treat. Eat the black beans and the blueberries separately, of course, and politely refuse the bat soup at tomorrow’s Superbowl party.
Don’t Eat The Bat Soup or you’ll get BAT SOUP FEVER!
Syrup is essential to the enjoyment of blueberry pancakes and my recommendation is a nice maple syrup from New Hampshire. If you are unable to procure New Hampshire maple syrup, you must endure the misery of corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup and cellulose gum and other rather interesting things that are all industrially mixed together in massive vats and extruded into plastic containers of Aunt Jemima Original Syrup. Obviously, the original sin of Original Aunt Jemima Syrup is corn syrup.
Yeah, all that set up is to hit the bell and ring that bell on the strategy that dare not speak its name:
AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY
Joe Biden is going to use the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY to pound the electoral stuffing out of Bernie Sanders in South Carolina and in the other states of large concentrations of beautiful Black church ladies and other kinds of Black ladies who might be less church-going than some.
AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY explained:
The AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY is to win the votes of Black lady voters in the South and other areas of high Black population concentration. Hillary Clinton used the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY to fend of Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Democrat Party presidential primary campaign.
I’ll add in my favorite new strategy called the GERMAN STRATEGY.
GERMAN STRATEGY explained:
The GERMAN STRATEGY is to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states in combination with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. Trumpy put the cherry on top of the GERMAN STRATEGY by winning Florida with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Northern portion of Florida in combination with the votes of the snowbirds from the Great Lakes states and the Northeast.
Showdown at big sky for the beautiful Black church ladies to deliver some biblical voter punishment to Bernie Sanders.
Robbie Robertson:
Give us the strength
Give us the wisdom
And give us tomorrow
Let the bells ring out
Hear the bells ring in
Let the bells ring out
Keep them ringing, ringing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fUrOnksot8Replies: @Charles Pewitt
Why on earth would Obama want to make a complete ass of himself by endorsing an old man who is so obviously senile?
Exactly. Bernie the racist, Bernie the rapist, Bernie the segregationist, Bernie the friend of George Wallace, Bernie the Bull Connor of the North.
This is the attack that is coming.
Will it work as intended? We will see 😉
Ahh, man, I know this is TUR, but did you really have to go (((there)))?
It's strange in a way. Razib is very good at grasping and explaining the often abstruse logic of genomics, yet on this fairly clear cut case, he makes a public spectacle of himself not getting it, a spectacle that is entirely ancillary to his needs (as he says, he doesn't normally make political posts). Since he is clearly very bright, it seems unlikely that he can't understand reality here. It is much more likely that he is just hobbled by Crimestop. He is hardly alone in this.
Ha, and the worst thing about it is that it was inaccurate on the specifics, though not the thrust. I’ve reworded it to make it clearer.
Black voters must be very frustrating to Bernie Sanders and his supporters.
They have gravitated around an empty suit career politician simply because he had the endorsement of a half-Black president. It has nothing to do with policy.
It doesn’t seem to matter what Bernie says or offers them.
But what really bothers me here is that the DNC clearly doesn’t like White activists of any type. The White Democrats that are actually trying to change the system for their communities are reviled by party leaders. In the ideal world of the DNC there wouldn’t be debates and they would just run an empty suit mulatto every time. They don’t like competition from anywhere and especially within. They call themselves Democrats when at the core they are thoroughly anti-democratic. They are basically TV producers that want to churn out a predictable product to reach the widest possible audience.
I see a populist unification party as best way out of this mess. Basically align Trump and Sanders supporters on economic issues and show them that they have more in common than with the establishment.
Either that or a strongly nationalist left that calls out the anti-US internationalist left.
You might find this interesting its from the 2019 voter survey
https://allthepics.net/image/MI0As
https://allthepics.net/image/MIzYCReplies: @Audacious Epigone
But in a state (the rules vary state by state, but this applies generally) that goes 40% Sanders, 30% Biden, 30% Bloomberg, Sanders is going to get a lot more delegates than in a state that goes 60% Biden, 40% Sanders with no Bloomberg in the picture.
Because Biden was his loyal lieutenant for eight years and Obama is on the neo-liberal side of the Democrat divide.
Thanks. I’m guessing that your day job involves, in part, writing code.
Although blacks actually are 13% of the population, a poll found that people believe on average that it is three times that number. Dem primary voters will lean to whoever they think can beat Trump. Because the voters overestimate the size of the black vote, voters will lean even more heavily to Biden, who can capture this large (they think) demographic.
I can’t really take credit. Razib spent 700 words trying (and failing) to answer a question that had an easy ten word solution. I could have left him to writhe in Crimestop, but isn’t it kinder just to give the simple truth?
It’s strange in a way. Razib is very good at grasping and explaining the often abstruse logic of genomics, yet on this fairly clear cut case, he makes a public spectacle of himself not getting it, a spectacle that is entirely ancillary to his needs (as he says, he doesn’t normally make political posts). Since he is clearly very bright, it seems unlikely that he can’t understand reality here. It is much more likely that he is just hobbled by Crimestop. He is hardly alone in this.
Still, it's amazing how little of Obama's shine has rubbed off on Gropey Joe. The latest national poll had him on 26%, it really should be closer to 46% given the nostalgia for the Obama years.Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Jay Fink
Interestingly a lot of Bernie supporters have become anti- Obama. They now mock his hope and change rhetoric and see him as a phony.
But in a state (the rules vary state by state, but this applies generally) that goes 40% Sanders, 30% Biden, 30% Bloomberg, Sanders is going to get a lot more delegates than in a state that goes 60% Biden, 40% Sanders with no Bloomberg in the picture.
Bloomberg’s Super Tuesday plan could actually work if not Biden.
Basically slide in as the moderate against a divided liberal field.
But I don’t see him beating Trump even if he somehow picked up Biden voters.
Although blacks actually are 13% of the population, a poll found that people believe on average that it is three times that number.
I don’t believe for one second that they are 13% of the population. I would guess them to be around 16-20%.
The census is an honor system and involves asking how many people live at the household.
It’s not a secret that Blacks don’t trust the government and are more likely to be less than forthcoming about how many people are actually in a residence. I would also bet there is a lot of fudging in Black areas and for good reason. Or would you like to actually knock on random doors in Detroit?
I could see other people in the household, and the black person I was interviewing knew that I knew they were lying. We were trained to explain that it was in their interest to have their household correctly counted so their community could receive more federal dollars, bla, bla, bla.
Sometimes they would actually listen to me, and change their story--and we all would have a good laugh about it.
Social science cannot be "science" when the data is raw garbage.
Isn’t Joe Rogan part-Jewish?
Would his Super Tuesday plan even work, though? He’d get a lot of Biden’s white vote, but almost none of his black vote.
If Biden weakens, it is honestly like that it is Bernie who benefits (based on polling data)
FWIW (I am not sure if it is worth month), Bloomberg has been able to get (or buy) some of the Black establishment behind him (e.g. Bobby Rush endorsement, Mayor Bowser endorsement, etc.)
Once again this is not a black vs white thing. This is again white vs white, with one group of whites using blacks as The Help to crush the other faction of whites.
Blacks don’t care about Biden. He’s probably the only democratic candidate they’ve even heard of. Bernie and everybody else, pretty much only exist in white-world (white left twitter/podcast/youtube). AOC and the squad like Bernie because they are literally white chicks – AWFL but with bonus diversity points.
Black primary voters will show up for Biden because they are plugged into the party establishment through their local black community leaders. As long as they are being told from above locally and through the media that they watch that Biden is the guy, they’ll go for biden to the extent that they will come out at all.
But they don’t care about Biden, they don’t love him the way they loved Obama. No black person is going to “fight” in a “civil war” over Joe Biden. Just not happening. Culturally white professional class people who happen to have some shade of black skin don’t count.
I’m also going to stake out a prediction: that black turnout will never go back to Obama levels, not even for another black candidate. Blacks voted for a black president (as well they should, good for them), and they saw that Obama literally didn’t do anything for them.
Obama will always be popular, favorable and hold sway in the black community because he was a cool black guy who became president. But black men are smarter than us in a lot of ways, and I think they can see clearly that getting hyped up about another black president is a waste of time because nothing is going to change for them. Why would any other black president be able to get it done when Obama failed? Black women may continue to be loyal D voters and they may get enthusiastic for a black woman but black dudes again are smarter than us and I think they want absolutely nothing to do with putting a black woman in charge of nuclear weapons or the economy.
That's where reparations come in.
In 2024 they will leverage Hispanics while offering cash I mean reparations to Blacks.
This is what the DNC has had planned all along. Being able to offer free stuff to Black and Hispanics and not needing to bother with the left wing of the party.
Black dudes will vote in droves.
I remember the NY Times article where they talked to guys in a black barber shop in Milwaukee after Trump won (and won Wisconsin). Most didn’t vote and had no regrets about it. They weren’t upset that Trump won (unlike white liberals who were hysterical). They realized Obama did nothing for them and they lost interest in voting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc
Good point. Do you think that will become more visible? I doubt any of the people involved (or the MSM) would ever say that out loud.
AE, any interest in correlating that map data to % black in each state?
The permanent decline of the country will also be a feature that America will copy from South Africa.Replies: @anon, @MBlanc46, @SFG
I tend to think of Brazil as the future, but SA may be a good comparison.
There isn't any clear comparison country out there, given that it has a comparably large and growing elite Asian minority which neither SA or Brazil has. US whites are also mostly of Western European stock, which do better than Southern Europeans.
The US will do fine for decades to come, though won't be as hegemonic as before.Replies: @another anon, @Almost Missouri
Well, not Sanders’ policy, but a solid New Dealish economic policy with America First.
USA will neither be South Africa or Brazil. South Africa is 80% black. Brazil is ~50% black, and its religiosity is rising. The US is becoming less religious and its black population isn’t rising much in proportion to the population at large.
There isn’t any clear comparison country out there, given that it has a comparably large and growing elite Asian minority which neither SA or Brazil has. US whites are also mostly of Western European stock, which do better than Southern Europeans.
The US will do fine for decades to come, though won’t be as hegemonic as before.
Evangelical Christians waved Israeli flags and prayed for the Jewish state during the March for Jesus last Thursday in Sao Paulo.And it is American batshit crazy Israel worshipping Evangelical religiosity. Just like the Brazilian left embraces the craziest American LGBTQ SJW fads.America is not becoming Brazilized, Brazil is becoming Americanized.
But don't worry, as AE implied in his post, as cheap travel, weak borders, and iSteve's Most Important Graph in the World further kick in, the infinite supply of Africans will surely further turbocharge the black increase of US population share.
Bonus: stats show that unlike whites and Asians, black underclass breeds the fastest (probably thanks to the welfare state), so the black population will become increasingly dysgenic as it gets increasingly larger.
Good Times ahead.Replies: @John Johnson
There isn't any clear comparison country out there, given that it has a comparably large and growing elite Asian minority which neither SA or Brazil has. US whites are also mostly of Western European stock, which do better than Southern Europeans.
The US will do fine for decades to come, though won't be as hegemonic as before.Replies: @another anon, @Almost Missouri
https://www.cufi.org.uk/news/two-million-brazilian-christians/
About 2 million people cheered for Israel during an annual Christian march in Brazil.
Evangelical Christians waved Israeli flags and prayed for the Jewish state during the March for Jesus last Thursday in Sao Paulo.
And it is American batshit crazy Israel worshipping Evangelical religiosity. Just like the Brazilian left embraces the craziest American LGBTQ SJW fads.
America is not becoming Brazilized, Brazil is becoming Americanized.
Irish-Italian, AFAIK.
Even worse, Rogan checks almost every Fishtown box on Charles Murray’s “Bubble Quiz” and he shows no embarrassment about it!
Although he doesn't seem to be aligned with the post-modern radicals who are in charge of the media now and does occasionally show non-political correct tendencies, he is a show business celebrity and a self-professed (old-style) liberal.Replies: @Almost Missouri
There isn't any clear comparison country out there, given that it has a comparably large and growing elite Asian minority which neither SA or Brazil has. US whites are also mostly of Western European stock, which do better than Southern Europeans.
The US will do fine for decades to come, though won't be as hegemonic as before.Replies: @another anon, @Almost Missouri
Since the inception of the welfare state, the black population proportion has indeed been rising in the US after gradually falling for the the entire previous part of US history. Since 1930, the black portion of the population has increased by about a third. Adding a percentage point share of the population every generation is pretty good, considering blacks managed that without much reinforcement from abroad, and against their Hispanic and Asian competitors who drew on nearly limitless foreign reserves.
But don’t worry, as AE implied in his post, as cheap travel, weak borders, and iSteve’s Most Important Graph in the World further kick in, the infinite supply of Africans will surely further turbocharge the black increase of US population share.
Bonus: stats show that unlike whites and Asians, black underclass breeds the fastest (probably thanks to the welfare state), so the black population will become increasingly dysgenic as it gets increasingly larger.
Good Times ahead.
The dysgenic welfare state rewards the irresponsible and the violent as well. This is because when women are forced to select a long term provider they are less likely to sleep with thugs.
Because of dysgenics Black cities will probably get more violent regardless of unemployment rates or number of liberal programs available. I hope this is not the case but I think we are already seeing this today. Black unemployment is at a record low so according to liberal theory the crime rates should have dropped. But for some Black cities the homicide rate is actually increasing.
The US will not be fine for decades to come. We can't keep absorbing debt and liberals want to spend even more money on their failed theories. Conservatives don't have much of a plan either.Replies: @Jay Fink
The permanent decline of the country will also be a feature that America will copy from South Africa.Replies: @anon, @MBlanc46, @SFG
Hispanics don’t hate whites as much as blacks do.
That said the wokies are trying.
Also, it may be easier for independents to vote in Michigan primaries. Iowa polls show Bernie a lot more popular with them than with registered party members.
Then again, Iowa is a caucus state, and that takes a significantly larger commitment of time and energy than do primaries-- especially with Democrats. In Minnesota, the DFL caucuses can run late into the night; everybody has to sign off on everything. The GOP one, at least mine in St Paul, always knocked off precisely at nine, and we hit the bars.
In 2016, the DFL tried a hybrid-- the usual caucus, with the option of coming in just to cast a vote and then leaving.Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
Yes, independents are definitely allowed to vote in the Michigan GOP Presidential primary. That’s why it was one of the only states McCain managed to carry against Bush in the 2000 GOP primaries.
But don't worry, as AE implied in his post, as cheap travel, weak borders, and iSteve's Most Important Graph in the World further kick in, the infinite supply of Africans will surely further turbocharge the black increase of US population share.
Bonus: stats show that unlike whites and Asians, black underclass breeds the fastest (probably thanks to the welfare state), so the black population will become increasingly dysgenic as it gets increasingly larger.
Good Times ahead.Replies: @John Johnson
Bonus: stats show that unlike whites and Asians, black underclass breeds the fastest (probably thanks to the welfare state), so the black population will become increasingly dysgenic as it gets increasingly larger.
The dysgenic welfare state rewards the irresponsible and the violent as well. This is because when women are forced to select a long term provider they are less likely to sleep with thugs.
Because of dysgenics Black cities will probably get more violent regardless of unemployment rates or number of liberal programs available. I hope this is not the case but I think we are already seeing this today. Black unemployment is at a record low so according to liberal theory the crime rates should have dropped. But for some Black cities the homicide rate is actually increasing.
The US will not be fine for decades to come. We can’t keep absorbing debt and liberals want to spend even more money on their failed theories. Conservatives don’t have much of a plan either.
Unfortunately welfare is no longer an issue for most conservatives. In the 1980 Presidential debates Reagan actually criticized "welfare queens". No one would dare do this today.
One thing that has kept the welfare state alive has been the knee jerk reaction that compares it to corporate welfare. Democrats tend to be hypocrites because most of them (Bernie Sanders being a rare exception) did support TARP and other corporate and bank bailouts after the 2008 financial crisis.
Black women may continue to be loyal D voters and they may get enthusiastic for a black woman but black dudes again are smarter than us and I think they want absolutely nothing to do with putting a black woman in charge of nuclear weapons or the economy.
That’s where reparations come in.
In 2024 they will leverage Hispanics while offering cash I mean reparations to Blacks.
This is what the DNC has had planned all along. Being able to offer free stuff to Black and Hispanics and not needing to bother with the left wing of the party.
Black dudes will vote in droves.
Latest South Carolina poll (Jan 26-29)
Joe Biden — 25%
Bernie Sanders — 20%
Tom Steyer — 18%
Elizabeth Warren — 11%
Pete Buttigieg — 7%
Tulsi Gabbard — 3%
Andrew Yang — 3%
Amy Klobuchar — 2%
John Delaney — 1%
Michael Bennet — 0%
Deval Patrick — 0%
Not Sure — 10%
Steyer has blanketed the state with ads. He did a Bloomberg before Bloomberg. A lot of internal polling data in the article for those interested.
Seems Biden’s “black wall” is not as strong as some have suggested. I’ve looked at the internal polling in Iowa. In the 18-49 age group, Bernie crushes Biden. For the boomers, the reverse is true. So race is not the only factor, age-specific divides among whites is just as big an issue.
The dysgenic welfare state rewards the irresponsible and the violent as well. This is because when women are forced to select a long term provider they are less likely to sleep with thugs.
Because of dysgenics Black cities will probably get more violent regardless of unemployment rates or number of liberal programs available. I hope this is not the case but I think we are already seeing this today. Black unemployment is at a record low so according to liberal theory the crime rates should have dropped. But for some Black cities the homicide rate is actually increasing.
The US will not be fine for decades to come. We can't keep absorbing debt and liberals want to spend even more money on their failed theories. Conservatives don't have much of a plan either.Replies: @Jay Fink
“Conservatives don’t have much of a plan either”.
Unfortunately welfare is no longer an issue for most conservatives. In the 1980 Presidential debates Reagan actually criticized “welfare queens”. No one would dare do this today.
One thing that has kept the welfare state alive has been the knee jerk reaction that compares it to corporate welfare. Democrats tend to be hypocrites because most of them (Bernie Sanders being a rare exception) did support TARP and other corporate and bank bailouts after the 2008 financial crisis.
That said the wokies are trying.Replies: @Jay Fink
Most Hispanics don’t have the anger/chip on their shoulder that many blacks have. A lot of this is cultural as I notice African immigrants don’t have the anger or hardened attitude that so many African Americans have.
What about foreign policy? Wouldn’t that be an area with at least as much convergence and common ground between Sanders and Trump supporters?
Latest SC poll shows 25 percent support for Biden, 20 percent for Sanders. That suggests to me significant slippage in the black support for Biden.
Sanders was at Martin Luther King’s march on Washington. As an undergraduate, he helped to integrate the University of Chicago.
Don't Eat The Bat Soup or you'll get BAT SOUP FEVER!
Syrup is essential to the enjoyment of blueberry pancakes and my recommendation is a nice maple syrup from New Hampshire. If you are unable to procure New Hampshire maple syrup, you must endure the misery of corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup and cellulose gum and other rather interesting things that are all industrially mixed together in massive vats and extruded into plastic containers of Aunt Jemima Original Syrup. Obviously, the original sin of Original Aunt Jemima Syrup is corn syrup.
Yeah, all that set up is to hit the bell and ring that bell on the strategy that dare not speak its name:
AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY
Joe Biden is going to use the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY to pound the electoral stuffing out of Bernie Sanders in South Carolina and in the other states of large concentrations of beautiful Black church ladies and other kinds of Black ladies who might be less church-going than some.
AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY explained:
The AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY is to win the votes of Black lady voters in the South and other areas of high Black population concentration. Hillary Clinton used the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY to fend of Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Democrat Party presidential primary campaign.
I'll add in my favorite new strategy called the GERMAN STRATEGY.
GERMAN STRATEGY explained:
The GERMAN STRATEGY is to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states in combination with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. Trumpy put the cherry on top of the GERMAN STRATEGY by winning Florida with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Northern portion of Florida in combination with the votes of the snowbirds from the Great Lakes states and the Northeast.
Showdown at big sky for the beautiful Black church ladies to deliver some biblical voter punishment to Bernie Sanders.
Robbie Robertson:
Give us the strength
Give us the wisdom
And give us tomorrow
Let the bells ring out
Hear the bells ring in
Let the bells ring out
Keep them ringing, ringing
https://youtu.be/5zKKdA1WJGYReplies: @MEH 0910
Jemima Surrender
Jemimas never surrenders!
Jemimas be splattering the walls of the deepest pits of fiery Hell with righteous godly pancake batter and battling the Devil himself before Jemimy gives in.
Jemimas be grudging against that Black harpy from over the hill and the next pew over for 4 times ten years and she'll sooner miss a Sunday sermon because of the sniffles before she will ever surrender.
Hark!
Jemimas never surrender or retreat! Jemimas just attack in a different direction -- never re-step, never retreat, never back pedal one damn step!
Jemimas will make like the howling spring storm and pull Obama's boy Biden to victory over the aardvark from Brooklyn and the Warren Women and the Buttpluggers and the other weasels of Democrat Party pestilential doom.
Jemima wants the borders sealed and shut to stop Bat Soup Fever from laying waste to their American home.
Hark!
Poll the Black ladies and see what they think of keeping out the Bat Soup Fever!
Out Out Out say the Black ladies to Bat Soup Fever!
Hark!
Could you elaborate upon that? You find it commendable to vote for a candidate merely because he is the same race? Why?
If you take a look at the writings of political scientists there is a universal lauding of the performance of various immigrant groups, for example, Irish Catholics, taking advantage of the American political system by bloc voting to claim "their rightful share" of political, social and economic pieces of the pie. It is unquestioned among the intelligentsia that this bloc voting is the springboard to assimilation. But the application to certain groups, say Jews or blacks, brings forth differing opinions on the received wisdom from the political scientists.
In my much younger and innocent days I did knock on a lot of black doors for the Census Bureau, and your comment is correct. It would make for a great comedy skit.
I could see other people in the household, and the black person I was interviewing knew that I knew they were lying. We were trained to explain that it was in their interest to have their household correctly counted so their community could receive more federal dollars, bla, bla, bla.
Sometimes they would actually listen to me, and change their story–and we all would have a good laugh about it.
Social science cannot be “science” when the data is raw garbage.
The African immigrants I’ve met commented on how American blacks are no less culturally alien to them in general than other Americans are.
American blacks are deeply American, for better and for worse. Which should make sense, given how long they’ve been there and how all-encompassing the disruption of any connection to Africa was.
I do think there’s room for convergence on a good amount of issues, particularly in extricating ourselves from the Middle East and general animus toward the Beltway bureaucrats, but one shouldn’t overstate the similarities between the two camps. Dissident leftists still tend to frame foreign policy in terms of moral duties, not interests, no less than the neoliberals and the neoconservatives. Dissident rightists tend to vary, but over the last couple of decades, there’s been an increasingly strident realist tone in foreign policy. This leads to similar conclusions-which is the important thing in the near-term-but not necessarily similar motivations or pathways to getting there.
This is why I am so firmly convinced that exile to Africa is THE solution to our African problem. Even if the exile was only temporary, exposure to Black-Run Africa would cure most of the resentment and make them thank God for “racism”.
Second, as far as any "temporary exile" would be concerned, I don't know that it would even work the way you imagine.
There was a "back to Africa" movement among American blacks that peaked, I believe, sometime in the 60's or 70's. I don't have specific data handy but I'm pretty sure that nearly all who actually tried living in Africa for any length of time grew disillusioned fairly quickly and returned to the U.S. or at least settled in some other White-majority or at least White-ruled land. What was the attitude of such individuals after their disillusionment with Africa? How much, if at all, less resentful toward Whites had they become?
America's Black problem (mainly inordinately high violence/high dysfunction/low constructive achievement and ability) certainly does seem insurmountable and I cannot claim to have any solutions. It is truly tragic, for both Whites as well as decent, civilized Blacks. Perhaps martial law needs to be declared in the war zones that are Black ghettos?Replies: @Mr. Rational
Could you elaborate upon that? You find it commendable to vote for a candidate merely because he is the same race? Why?
If you take a look at the writings of political scientists there is a universal lauding of the performance of various immigrant groups, for example, Irish Catholics, taking advantage of the American political system by bloc voting to claim “their rightful share” of political, social and economic pieces of the pie. It is unquestioned among the intelligentsia that this bloc voting is the springboard to assimilation. But the application to certain groups, say Jews or blacks, brings forth differing opinions on the received wisdom from the political scientists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fUrOnksot8Replies: @Charles Pewitt
Hark!
Jemimas never surrenders!
Jemimas be splattering the walls of the deepest pits of fiery Hell with righteous godly pancake batter and battling the Devil himself before Jemimy gives in.
Jemimas be grudging against that Black harpy from over the hill and the next pew over for 4 times ten years and she’ll sooner miss a Sunday sermon because of the sniffles before she will ever surrender.
Hark!
Jemimas never surrender or retreat! Jemimas just attack in a different direction — never re-step, never retreat, never back pedal one damn step!
Jemimas will make like the howling spring storm and pull Obama’s boy Biden to victory over the aardvark from Brooklyn and the Warren Women and the Buttpluggers and the other weasels of Democrat Party pestilential doom.
Jemima wants the borders sealed and shut to stop Bat Soup Fever from laying waste to their American home.
Hark!
Poll the Black ladies and see what they think of keeping out the Bat Soup Fever!
Out Out Out say the Black ladies to Bat Soup Fever!
Hark!
Thank you for a thought-provoking response.
1.) What about the argument that the imperative to avoid war except when absolutely necessary in the pursuit of a nation’s critical interests (such as that of self-defense) is itself nothing short of a moral duty (and actually the utmost such duty of any Commander-in-Chief)?
2.) Even if one were to maintain, in any given instance, that there were a humanitarian moral duty toward a foreign population to intervene militarily on their behalf and that said duty somehow outweighed or over-rode that toward one’s own countrymen of keeping them out of harm’s way, there would still be the practical question. Namely, how realistic would it be that any such military intervention would, on balance and beyond the immediate range, lessen and not increase suffering in the region?
Of all the questions that must be asked and the considerations weighed whenever the possibility of military intervention or aggression is suggested, are the two that I have articulated above not the most critical of all?
First, what about the moral question? Can it be justified to exile American Blacks, descendents of slaves who were brought here against their will centuries ago, “back” to a land that is completely foreign to them?
Second, as far as any “temporary exile” would be concerned, I don’t know that it would even work the way you imagine.
There was a “back to Africa” movement among American blacks that peaked, I believe, sometime in the 60’s or 70’s. I don’t have specific data handy but I’m pretty sure that nearly all who actually tried living in Africa for any length of time grew disillusioned fairly quickly and returned to the U.S. or at least settled in some other White-majority or at least White-ruled land. What was the attitude of such individuals after their disillusionment with Africa? How much, if at all, less resentful toward Whites had they become?
America’s Black problem (mainly inordinately high violence/high dysfunction/low constructive achievement and ability) certainly does seem insurmountable and I cannot claim to have any solutions. It is truly tragic, for both Whites as well as decent, civilized Blacks. Perhaps martial law needs to be declared in the war zones that are Black ghettos?
I can't help but notice the huge irony that Africans are always complaining about "racism" from Whites, but they are trying to flood into the USA and not out.We can't "fix" them, but we can be apart from them. Using African exile in lieu of prison would be a huge cost-saver and probably do more to get the punks "scared straight" than any amount of time behind bars.I am resigned to major cities going up in firestorms as a cleansing measure.
Second, as far as any "temporary exile" would be concerned, I don't know that it would even work the way you imagine.
There was a "back to Africa" movement among American blacks that peaked, I believe, sometime in the 60's or 70's. I don't have specific data handy but I'm pretty sure that nearly all who actually tried living in Africa for any length of time grew disillusioned fairly quickly and returned to the U.S. or at least settled in some other White-majority or at least White-ruled land. What was the attitude of such individuals after their disillusionment with Africa? How much, if at all, less resentful toward Whites had they become?
America's Black problem (mainly inordinately high violence/high dysfunction/low constructive achievement and ability) certainly does seem insurmountable and I cannot claim to have any solutions. It is truly tragic, for both Whites as well as decent, civilized Blacks. Perhaps martial law needs to be declared in the war zones that are Black ghettos?Replies: @Mr. Rational
Is it “moral” to hold huge numbers of them in prisons? One in four adult black men has a felony record. If there’s anything immoral, it’s to let them walk our streets where innocents come to harm only too often.
Piece of cake. Set them up in Liberia or some other place with a tin-roof shack and a ration card. Use it in lieu of prison time, but only count their time served if they check in every day. Pay their baby-mamas to go along if they’re willing. Maybe they’ll decide to become Liberians.
After “The Rumble In The Jungle”, Mohammed Ali is reputed to have said “Thank god my granddaddy got on that boat.”
I can’t help but notice the huge irony that Africans are always complaining about “racism” from Whites, but they are trying to flood into the USA and not out.
We can’t “fix” them, but we can be apart from them. Using African exile in lieu of prison would be a huge cost-saver and probably do more to get the punks “scared straight” than any amount of time behind bars.
I am resigned to major cities going up in firestorms as a cleansing measure.
This post-election sketch is pretty good:
AE, any interest in correlating that map data to % black in each state?Replies: @Audacious Epigone
Yeah possibly, depending on the Iowa outcome tonight and how much that scrambles the results.
Bernie Sanders — 20%
Tom Steyer — 18%
Elizabeth Warren — 11%
Pete Buttigieg — 7%
Tulsi Gabbard — 3%
Andrew Yang — 3%
Amy Klobuchar — 2%
John Delaney — 1%
Michael Bennet — 0%
Deval Patrick — 0%
Not Sure — 10%Steyer has blanketed the state with ads. He did a Bloomberg before Bloomberg. A lot of internal polling data in the article for those interested. Seems Biden's "black wall" is not as strong as some have suggested. I've looked at the internal polling in Iowa. In the 18-49 age group, Bernie crushes Biden. For the boomers, the reverse is true. So race is not the only factor, age-specific divides among whites is just as big an issue.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
Indeed. We’ve done posts on that as well. Sanders dominates among those under 30 but does atrociously among those over 65.
Ideally, yes, but the world is seldom ideal. If I were President of the United States, I’d do whatever it took to quote John Quincy Adams in my own little YouTube chats (I’d go over the MSM’s heads) whenever I talk about foreign policy to present a realist foreign policy in a way that is psychologically reconcilable with the Whiggish strain deep in American psychology, but… well, I’m not a politician, I’m a physics/C++ geek who probably should talk about that instead.
With the Vox-ization of center-left political thought (i.e: “restricting immigration is immoral because it hurts greater numbers of global poor”), you’ve got to be careful in going down roads of abstract philosophy with your typical progressive. There are a fair amount of alienated leftists-usually old-school socialist types who support Sanders-who despise the Vox crowd, but they have no more control over the Democrats than we’ve got over the Republican Party.
For mainstream consumption, I like to dress it up as something akin to “we could have spent all that money from Iraq and Afghanistan on a functioning health care system or better infrastructure.” Wars are very expensive, and regardless of your own ideological bent on those issues, I think everybody outside of the Swamp can agree that the money spent over the last quarter century on foreign adventures could have been better invested *somewhere* at home.
>Can it be justified to exile American Blacks, descendents of slaves who were brought here against their will centuries ago, “back” to a land that is completely foreign to them?
Of course not. They are American citizens. We should all be in this together, insofar as it is possible, against an parasitic elite that has hijacked our nation.
People who casually fantasize about ethnic separation around these parts from the comfort of their computers have absolutely no freaking idea what they are contemplating. Ethno-sectarian conflicts are hellish: nothing to joke about. And the peaceful creation of a “white homeland” is delusional. For better or for worse, a policy of hardcore assimilation is the only route to be taken by a properly nationalist government.
Legally they are citizens, but not mentally or culturally. As John Derbyshire was cancelled for daring to notice,
We can’t work with these people.
Blacks are being subsidized and coddled by that same parasitic elite, like being given crime as a brand-new civil right. They’re not going to do anything to change that.
Go read up on Jessica Chambers, Tessa Majors, Channon Christian, Autumn Pasquale and the Wichita Massacre and get back to me about “hellish”. And tell me just how white your zip code is, so we can see just how much ethnic separation you already have.
If the cost of living bothers you, there are plenty of really cheap houses in Detroit. Let’s see you walk the walk about “equality” and “tolerance” before daring to lecture people.
>Legally they are citizens, but not mentally or culturally.
What do you suppose they are, then? As I’ve mentioned above, actual Africans tend to find US blacks completely culturally alien. The idea that they’ll accept US blacks as their own, or that US blacks will peacefully subscribe to a plan of ethnic cleansing and removal is sheer lunacy, before we get to the moral implications.
US blacks are deeply culturally and psychologically American, in their own unique way. Even within the underclass: what is the individualism and focus on money and success if not American? That the way American-ness manifests in them is different, or not always positive, doesn’t change the fact that they have little to nothing to do with Africa. They are there. They are American. Deal with reality.
>Blacks are being subsidized and coddled by that same parasitic elite, like being given crime as a brand-new civil right. They’re not going to do anything to change that.
You ever thought of treating Americans as individuals, first and foremost? I’ve found it has surprising results.
Are there people in the ghettos that are unsalvagable? Sure. That’s what nobody in the Establishment-Left or Right-wants to admit, that there sometimes aren’t any quick, easy “solutions” to a problem. But there are also plenty of normal people who’d like nothing more than to live ordinary lives not disturbed by endemic crime: or rentier socioceconomic policies, including asymptotic open borders or free trade fetishism. Appeal to the latter.
>Go read up on Jessica Chambers, Tessa Majors, Channon Christian, Autumn Pasquale and the Wichita Massacre and get back to me about “hellish”.
How about Yugoslavia or Iraq? That’s what people who fantasize about “ethnic separation” at a time of increasingly structural and cultural rot are courting, whether they know or not.
>And tell me just how white your zip code is, so we can see just how much ethnic separation you already have. If the cost of living bothers you, there are plenty of really cheap houses in Detroit. Let’s see you walk the walk about “equality” and “tolerance” before daring to lecture people.
Funny: I didn’t use either word.
I’m a young man, but I’m willing to bet I’ve lived in far more locales-and far more countries-than you have. And I can tell you: the world can be a mean, ugly, nasty place. The USA, for all its flaws and increasing decay, is still a pretty damned wonderful country relative to most of the world. It’s my country. In some ways, I’m not a very natural fit for it, but it is my country nonetheless.
And I have little time for anybody who toys with the idea of tearing it apart, regardless of the ideological stripe. You casually propose that cities should go up in “firestorms”. I wonder how much you, like all your ilk, actually appreciate what that entails. The bodies. The stench that rises over those dead bodies. The lives ruined. The destruction that humans are capable of. The lack of running water or the diseases that flourish in the aftermath.
And sometimes in life, violence is necessary. But I don’t glory in it. And I certainly don’t make it my ideal, least of all for some petty, soulless vision of the world that cannot see anything more in a man than his genetics.
*You* back your vision up, since you are the one that does want that. You tell me what lengths you are willing to go to achieve what you desire and what you insist is so necessary. Go on. Make my day.
But I also think that we need ways to be able to discuss - in public - demographic issues honestly, without being attacked as racists. It's not random that blacks are over-represented in football (and crime), Jews in finanace (and financial crimes), and Asians in engineering (and gambling). We can't address these phenomena without acknowledging these demographic facts and crafting public policies accordingly.
I think much of the impetus for racial animus and radicalism stem from the enormous constraints that are put on by those in power (culturally and, increasingly, legally). Prevent people from talking honestly (and in fact punish them for it), and you are bound to get frustration and anger, which in turn lead to crazy, wild talk, including violence.Replies: @nebulafox
I am pretty certain that Rogan spoke of his Jewish ancestry in one of his podcasts.
I don’t know that a guy with multiple $500K cars qualifies as “Fishtown.”
Although he doesn’t seem to be aligned with the post-modern radicals who are in charge of the media now and does occasionally show non-political correct tendencies, he is a show business celebrity and a self-professed (old-style) liberal.
Trump is another show business celebrity and arguably an old-style liberal who is even wealthier than Rogan (and who has married his family into Judaism), but who also has Fishtowny tastes and cultural markers. How does the liberal establishment like him?Replies: @Twinkie
I agree with you 100% that we ought to treat and evaluate our fellow Americans as individuals.
But I also think that we need ways to be able to discuss – in public – demographic issues honestly, without being attacked as racists. It’s not random that blacks are over-represented in football (and crime), Jews in finanace (and financial crimes), and Asians in engineering (and gambling). We can’t address these phenomena without acknowledging these demographic facts and crafting public policies accordingly.
I think much of the impetus for racial animus and radicalism stem from the enormous constraints that are put on by those in power (culturally and, increasingly, legally). Prevent people from talking honestly (and in fact punish them for it), and you are bound to get frustration and anger, which in turn lead to crazy, wild talk, including violence.
But I also think that we need ways to be able to discuss - in public - demographic issues honestly, without being attacked as racists. It's not random that blacks are over-represented in football (and crime), Jews in finanace (and financial crimes), and Asians in engineering (and gambling). We can't address these phenomena without acknowledging these demographic facts and crafting public policies accordingly.
I think much of the impetus for racial animus and radicalism stem from the enormous constraints that are put on by those in power (culturally and, increasingly, legally). Prevent people from talking honestly (and in fact punish them for it), and you are bound to get frustration and anger, which in turn lead to crazy, wild talk, including violence.Replies: @nebulafox
Fully agreed. When discussions that need to be had are suppressed by the powers that be, they don’t go away. They go underground, boil, and explode when things go wrong. And it isn’t like people don’t know these realities on some level. I once heard on the Nixon tapes that it was feasible to make policies that acknowledge racial reality in private while maintaining public denial. I don’t think that’s the way to go. Better to be honest.
And leaving the old issue of blacks vs. whites aside, the demographic shifts the US has undergone over the last few decades are deeply unprecedented. Simply put, this isn’t the same country that I was born into a quarter century ago, and there isn’t much of a precedent for this being a smooth, successful thing in human history. Economic, media and political elites are getting less and less shy about openly crowing about it. Yet they simultaneously somehow think there will be no backlash, if they just enforce orthodoxy enough in public discussion. Human nature does not work that way, least of all at a time when trust in traditional institutions are at a low and social atomization is at a height.
What’s done is done: even if immigration is fully halted tomorrow, demographics are what they are, with tens of millions of new citizens. But that makes it all the more imperative that we find a way to rebuild whatever social coherence is possible. Not unpersoning people who try to break an increasingly Brehznevite orthodoxy on racial and demographic issues strikes me as a good first step toward that. But of course, that leaves open the question as to how much the Usual Suspects want social coherence. It makes sense from their perspective, at least on the surface. More social atomization means more power and more profit for them. But it strikes me as deeply delusional that this New America is going to weather the inevitable storms on the horizon-and that they and their desires won’t be threatened, at all, when they hit.
Who are these people that believe that there are discussions that need to be had? You are not talking about those people who say we need to have a conversation about race, are you? Didn't think so.Replies: @nebulafox
Agreed with the rest.
When discussions that need to be had are suppressed by the powers that be, they don’t go away.
Who are these people that believe that there are discussions that need to be had? You are not talking about those people who say we need to have a conversation about race, are you? Didn’t think so.
Who are these people that believe that there are discussions that need to be had? You are not talking about those people who say we need to have a conversation about race, are you? Didn't think so.Replies: @nebulafox
When they say we need to have a “conversation” about race, they really mean “we say this and that, peasants repeat this and that”. Less conversation, more schoolyard instruction. American politics is best looked at these days as a kind of theater put on by donors and interest groups, as opposed to people seriously debating ideas and thinking of new policies. The atmosphere is getting increasingly Brezhnevite. That’s why Trump won in 2016. Clownish he might have been, but he was a breath of fresh air that didn’t just say the same old things.
This isn’t limited to racial issues. At a deep level, from why mass shootings happen to why so-and-so foreign country behaves how it does, a lot of the things that our political discourse keeps chasing its tail about have mundane answers. But they don’t align with the preferred narrative(s) , so…
I'm not sure what you mean here.
Anyway, it's nice to run across someone that understands what "we need to have this conversation" actually means.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
a lot of the things that our political discourse keeps chasing its tail about have mundane answers.
I’m not sure what you mean here.
Anyway, it’s nice to run across someone that understands what “we need to have this conversation” actually means.
I'm not sure what you mean here.
Anyway, it's nice to run across someone that understands what "we need to have this conversation" actually means.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
The pervasive, persistent achievement gap, for one.
That, among other things. I actually had in mind different policy areas when I made that comment, but you could apply it as much to the consistent connection between biology and intellectual capacity. Because you can’t discuss that, you end up with endless hand wringing and a sort of never-never land where the same things are discussed, again and again. Nothing gets done. Repeat ad nauseum.
More broadly, I think the cyclic nature of political discourse in the US is deeply rooted in the fact that while we as a society ostensibly have less and less use for traditions of social decorum, in practice, we are far less willing to offend anything that would require taking on risk in doing so, or engage in anything that requires pain or discomfort on our parts. It is *because* they don’t actual value real diversity of thought that our political class feitshizes diversity of appearance. It’s because they know on a deep level that just discarding societal institutions wholesale is having negative effects that they increasingly fete individualism above all else. I haven’t got a clue on how to fix that, but on some level, people know their own BS, despise themselves for it because non-psychopaths can’t just discard their feelings, and seek compensatory mechanisms. Hence people who live in SWPL affluent neighborhoods talking like radicals.
It’s nothing so reminiscent as a spoiled teenager that tries to prove his independence and maturity through flamboyant, rude behavior: and does nothing so much as proving the opposite. If you really are those things, why brag about it? Your actions and life will make that clear.
That’s racist! 😉
Agreed with the rest.
It certainly has political implications, but is hardly mundane.
Although he doesn't seem to be aligned with the post-modern radicals who are in charge of the media now and does occasionally show non-political correct tendencies, he is a show business celebrity and a self-professed (old-style) liberal.Replies: @Almost Missouri
If you say so. But if so, it must be one of those vague Jew-in-the-woodpile defense-against-unpersoning things.
Murray’s bubble quiz is test of culture and tastes rather than of economics.
Trump is another show business celebrity and arguably an old-style liberal who is even wealthier than Rogan (and who has married his family into Judaism), but who also has Fishtowny tastes and cultural markers. How does the liberal establishment like him?
As others have pointed out elsewhere, this is a slander against the U of Chicago, which was never segregated.
It is *because* they don’t actual value real diversity of thought that our political class feitshizes diversity of appearance.
I paraphrase for myself the adage about voting. If there are important political decisions to be made, they won’t be discussing them in front of us peons.
Your use of the term political discourse sent me in the direction of Presidential debates, political campaigns and Congressional hearings (which, without any hard evidence on my part, I believe are just shakedowns of industries and companies). Most political campaigns are run with the intent to obscure any controversial differences among candidates. Hence we have instances like former President Obama coming out to warn the Democrat candidates about drawing attention to differences, especially ones that could be used against the nominee in the general election. I doubt we will ever get questions like, “Isn’t your support of none or lax enforcement of our immigration laws defacto open borders?”
Even though the main function of the MSM media is to legitimate and solidify the rule of the elites, in matters of free speech I try to keep in mind the distinction between the government and private individuals or organizations. In fact, “we” could, and some around the fringes actually do, discuss anything we wished, barring calls for violence. In effect, your complaint is that not only will the MSM not “support” your opinions, or at least give them a fair hearing, but will readily censor and censure those opinions. So, unless you have some plan whereby the MSM can be forced to air your (our) views, the onus is on you (us) to get our views known. That is, if they’re really important. On this subject, unless I got the details wrong, Zuckerberg seems to be saying that Facebook will not referee among lying politicians and their lying ads.
We need to be open to the possibility that academic freedom might go the the way of professional journalism. But if we take the long view, the desire for free thought and scholarship goes way back, and I don’t think that genie can ever be put back into the bottle.
The romantic streak in me fantasizes about our very own samizdat. We could have a real resistance and a proper choosing up of sides.
Trump is another show business celebrity and arguably an old-style liberal who is even wealthier than Rogan (and who has married his family into Judaism), but who also has Fishtowny tastes and cultural markers. How does the liberal establishment like him?Replies: @Twinkie
Touché. But I think you overestimate their blue collar tastes. Don’t forget both Trump and Rogan are performers.