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File this under how social media is making us miserable. Among singles who view posts about other people’s relationships on social media, seeing those posts make nearly an order of magnitude as many feel worse about their own dating lives as are made to feel better about them:

This isn’t restricted to romantic relationships. Career, family time, vacations, workouts, cooking, hobbies–everyone else is having a blast, conquering the world, creating something special. All the people in your social network are doing this. They’re doing it while you flounder. Even when you post your own piece of perfect misery, it’s just one contrived moment. But your timeline is unending, filled with friends and colleagues doing cool things. It’s one thing when it’s in a magazine. When your neighbors are giddy and glamorous, though, it’s hard to feel worthy.

If getting off the harvesting platforms is too much to ask, consider a little self-deprecation now and then. You’ll make someone’s day. Parenthetically, the perpetual self honoring primes us for the feeding frenzies that occur whenever an unlucky person bleeds a little. Because everyone else is so Good, the Bad person looks really, really Bad. It is important that those Good people signal how Good they are by tearing the Bad person apart in the most vicious and aggressive way possible. He’s Bad!

 
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  1. I’ve got no smart phone right now – feels good, man!

    (Now, if I could quit the unz commenting for a while …)

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I’ve got no smart phone right now – feels good, man!
     
    I agree. I don't have one either and I don't want one. I also don't do the facebook thing or the twitter thing. Social media may prove to be one of humanity's biggest ever mistakes.

    (Now, if I could quit the unz commenting for a while …)
     
    I'm not addicted to unz commenting. I can quit any time I want. Truly.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  2. Tusk says:

    I’m unsure how it is now since I haven’t had social media for many years, but when I did my view was that a lot of the “pro-relationship” people who seemed to be constantly posting stuff about their partner and other mundane relationship related things often had bad relationships. They often broke up after a moderate period of time, but it always came across as compensating their poor actual relationship by a facade of a good virtual relationship. Many people, as such, cannot tell the difference between the two. This is not to say that all people are like this but I think it certainly factors in. There’s nothing like posting “staying in with my girlfriend to watch the Notebook” to remedy a small fracture in the relationship, since women are social creatures your social signalling that you are being kind reinforces her view of you, at the same time providing the idea to others that you are a happy couple.

    Evidently there are people who genuinely share stuff on social media that are stable, but considering social media is a vain and image-crafting method of communication I think it’s safe to say a significant portion are just pretending. This is what makes these people feeling bad because of other peoples relationships in a weak position. Why feel bad about peoples alleged virtual relatoinship? The internet is largely fake and people letting it emotionally impact them are taking it way too seriously.

    • Replies: @Wency
    @Tusk

    Yeah, my last girlfriend before my wife loved to constantly post things about how great we were doing on social media. I think she was trying to convince herself as much as anyone, since I spent a good while contemplating whether to dump her before pulling the trigger, and I'm sure I gave her 1,000 subtle signs while telling her everything was fine. She called this "gaslighting" after I dumped her, and I probably should have been more open (at least it would have helped kill the thing faster).

    My relationship with my wife is vastly better than with that previous girlfriend, but she only posts major life events on social media.

    Replies: @Talha

  3. OT: in 99% likelihood that this is false every single person who helped spread this needs to be sued into bankruptcy and the FOP has the pockets to do it.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @t

    Welcome to the real world. Now, why was he doing this? Don't tell me. Uh . . . to get Trump unelected? Got it in one try. I know you folks like the back of my hand.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @t

    It's false.

  4. All the people in your social network are doing this.

    Worst way to use social media, absolutely cancerous and will kill your spirit. Keeping-up-with-the-Jones just got amplified to a global scale. But if you keep up with these kinds of accounts that are constantly blasting their newest purchase or new thrilling vacation experience, then I guess you kind of set yourself up for getting your hopes crushed and the concomitant feelings of inadequacy.

    My personal experience with social media has been generally positive since I only follow 20 accounts on Twitter from various Muslim scholars and activists and academics. I have no clue why some people follow hundreds – it’s just noise.

    On the flip side I have been able to keep abreast of the latest fatwas from top-level Muslim scholars on various topics. Something unimaginable a decade or so ago. Just recently I exchanged notes with a non-Muslim academic in a German university who is one of the world’s experts in the history of the canonization of the Qur’an (textual and oral); I was able to discuss with him what I had learned on the subject from a mufti from Deoband. I cannot believe that these kinds of folks are willing to give the time to random people interested in their field of expertise at the simple notification of a reply to one of their tweets. Not to mention being able to keep up with the ever unfolding archaeological data coming out of unexplored territory like Saudi; these guys are simply capturing and tweeting it out real-time.

    It is a tremendous time we live in for those that can sift through the distractions and find the value that’s out there.

    Peace.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Not My Economy
    @Talha

    lmao the virgin RETVRN TO TRADITION larper: Twitter is a hellsite
    vs the chad guy from an actual traditional culture: Twitter is really neat you guys

    Replies: @Talha, @UK

  5. @Achmed E. Newman
    I've got no smart phone right now - feels good, man!

    (Now, if I could quit the unz commenting for a while ...)

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I’ve got no smart phone right now – feels good, man!

    I agree. I don’t have one either and I don’t want one. I also don’t do the facebook thing or the twitter thing. Social media may prove to be one of humanity’s biggest ever mistakes.

    (Now, if I could quit the unz commenting for a while …)

    I’m not addicted to unz commenting. I can quit any time I want. Truly.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @dfordoom


    I’m not addicted to unz commenting. I can quit any time I want. Truly.
     
    Heh!

    There's a 12-step program for us, but you need Facebook to sign up.

    Thank you for your moral support, DforDoom. BTW, likewise on the FB and Twitter.

    Replies: @Yahya K.

  6. @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I’ve got no smart phone right now – feels good, man!
     
    I agree. I don't have one either and I don't want one. I also don't do the facebook thing or the twitter thing. Social media may prove to be one of humanity's biggest ever mistakes.

    (Now, if I could quit the unz commenting for a while …)
     
    I'm not addicted to unz commenting. I can quit any time I want. Truly.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m not addicted to unz commenting. I can quit any time I want. Truly.

    Heh!

    There’s a 12-step program for us, but you need Facebook to sign up.

    Thank you for your moral support, DforDoom. BTW, likewise on the FB and Twitter.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    What's the psychological force here?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Achmed E. Newman, @dfordoom, @iffen

  7. It’s one thing when it’s in a magazine. When your neighbors are giddy and glamorous, though, it’s hard to feel worthy.

    Yeah, I suppose social media in a way was a substitute for those gossip magazines about celebrities, only now it’s your own friends and neighbours providing the envy or pathos.

    Social media may prove to be one of humanity’s biggest ever mistakes

    I will go one step further and think that maybe the whole Internet will. In the end, it provided even more homogeneity of thought and fashion (globalism), helped promote mass immigration (all those people back home seeing the glamorous lives of their peers in the West suddenly wanted to immigrate too), provided easier tools for centralization of censorship and control – Google/Youtube, primarily, and secondarily Facebook/Instagram/Twitter basically control the flow of information. Even if you bypass those censors, your own web hosting company (i.e. GoDaddy) may dump you. So in the end a mimeographed zine had less chance of being censored than today’s opinions in blogs or videos.

  8. UK says:

    Social media is good for organising with groups outside of friends – hobbies/sports/spirituality/politics/religion etc.

    It is a bad, impersonal and even vicarious way to interact with friends. The bad feeling which results, I think, if you dig deep enough, is probably not so much envy and shame but rather disconnection, sadness and longing.

    Pick up the phone, you fellow millennials and younger! It may be scary but hearing someone’s voice is much nicer than seeing their manicured “life” on screen. The fear is just what being open feels like – it is fewer layers and more seeming vulnerability. Like when someone takes off a hat they always wear which obscures their face…not that they will find out they had anything to really be scared of in the first place, but they will still initially feel exposed.

    Unsurprisingly, layers stand in the way of connection and you get this horrible spiral that seems to have gripped people so much.

    And on the phone, remember you don’t have to talk, you can just be, and if you’re feeling anxious about what to say then just tell the other person that. In fact, just say whatever you feel rather than what you think will make you or the other person feel good.

    And if this sounds like nonsense, just do it as an experiment…because: why not?

  9. @Talha

    All the people in your social network are doing this.
     
    Worst way to use social media, absolutely cancerous and will kill your spirit. Keeping-up-with-the-Jones just got amplified to a global scale. But if you keep up with these kinds of accounts that are constantly blasting their newest purchase or new thrilling vacation experience, then I guess you kind of set yourself up for getting your hopes crushed and the concomitant feelings of inadequacy.

    My personal experience with social media has been generally positive since I only follow 20 accounts on Twitter from various Muslim scholars and activists and academics. I have no clue why some people follow hundreds - it’s just noise.

    On the flip side I have been able to keep abreast of the latest fatwas from top-level Muslim scholars on various topics. Something unimaginable a decade or so ago. Just recently I exchanged notes with a non-Muslim academic in a German university who is one of the world’s experts in the history of the canonization of the Qur’an (textual and oral); I was able to discuss with him what I had learned on the subject from a mufti from Deoband. I cannot believe that these kinds of folks are willing to give the time to random people interested in their field of expertise at the simple notification of a reply to one of their tweets. Not to mention being able to keep up with the ever unfolding archaeological data coming out of unexplored territory like Saudi; these guys are simply capturing and tweeting it out real-time.

    It is a tremendous time we live in for those that can sift through the distractions and find the value that’s out there.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Not My Economy

    lmao the virgin RETVRN TO TRADITION larper: Twitter is a hellsite
    vs the chad guy from an actual traditional culture: Twitter is really neat you guys

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Not My Economy


    Twitter is a hellsite...Twitter is really neat you guys
     
    It's actually both.

    Mileage varies with how you use it, and I'd say 95% use it very, very stupidly and to their own spiritual and psychological detriment.

    Peace.
    , @UK
    @Not My Economy

    It is only an inference from Talha's observation but if the guys in dresses and beards are so quick to respond to Twittered messages then maybe they aren't exactly inundated by people from their "actual traditional culture."

    Not that this is really a criticism as it is the way of people in general.

    For example, if you want to write an essay at university well, the easiest thing to do is simply phone up the leading academics in the field - in whatever countries they work. They will likely talk to you and share their thoughts on the phone, despite you being a nobody. They will essentially structure your research and essay for you, so you only need to fill in the blanks. But somehkwy nobody take advantage...

    I assume they will do this all for free because they both love talking about the subject they love and because "nobodies" never actually bother to make the personal effort to ask.

    Replies: @Talha

  10. Don’t, um, “Singles Who Feel Worse” make themselves feel better by posting long-winded arguments in blogs and comment sections, thus proving how smart they think they are, and how worthy of a mate?

    The net is just a new jungle, with species finding their niches. They feel good where they rule; we feel good where we rule. That way, everything reaches equilibrium in God’s Universe.

    • Replies: @Jokah Macpherson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    We've shifted to well-crafted, concise arguments, but otherwise your point is valid.

  11. @Not My Economy
    @Talha

    lmao the virgin RETVRN TO TRADITION larper: Twitter is a hellsite
    vs the chad guy from an actual traditional culture: Twitter is really neat you guys

    Replies: @Talha, @UK

    Twitter is a hellsite…Twitter is really neat you guys

    It’s actually both.

    Mileage varies with how you use it, and I’d say 95% use it very, very stupidly and to their own spiritual and psychological detriment.

    Peace.

  12. UK says:
    @Not My Economy
    @Talha

    lmao the virgin RETVRN TO TRADITION larper: Twitter is a hellsite
    vs the chad guy from an actual traditional culture: Twitter is really neat you guys

    Replies: @Talha, @UK

    It is only an inference from Talha’s observation but if the guys in dresses and beards are so quick to respond to Twittered messages then maybe they aren’t exactly inundated by people from their “actual traditional culture.”

    Not that this is really a criticism as it is the way of people in general.

    For example, if you want to write an essay at university well, the easiest thing to do is simply phone up the leading academics in the field – in whatever countries they work. They will likely talk to you and share their thoughts on the phone, despite you being a nobody. They will essentially structure your research and essay for you, so you only need to fill in the blanks. But somehkwy nobody take advantage…

    I assume they will do this all for free because they both love talking about the subject they love and because “nobodies” never actually bother to make the personal effort to ask.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @UK


    the guys in dresses and beards are so quick to respond to Twittered messages then maybe they aren’t exactly inundated by people from their “actual tradition culture”
     
    I think you misunderstood or maybe I wasn’t clear. I am not communicating directly with the likes of Mufti Taqi Uthmani or Ahaykh Muhammad Shinqiti or Shaykh Ali Qaradaghi. I don’t think they even know what Twitter is (or they’ve never directly been on it) and likely have a crew that handles those communications. They have way better things to do with their time. What do you think they are, US presidents?!
    https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266354084036194306

    I can just keep up with their official statements and what not.

    The scholars/academics I have interacted with are usually at Western universities and they do seem to have some time to spare. And, yes, they seem eager to share their knowledge.

    Peace.
  13. I once complained about being single on Facebook. Not just a crude complaint ( like I see from time to time on there) but a well written essay. I learned two things. Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics. I was surprised at the level of naivety that’s out there among normies.

    The #2 thing I learned is most of my fellow single people have their defense mechanisms cranked up high and have long convinced themselves that being single is ideal. Having been in a long unhappy live in relationship, yes I agree being single is better than a bad relationship or marriage. Yet it’s still not ideal or the way life is supposed to be IMO. If there is truth that the good ones are taken (and I believe it is true for the most part) that means single people, especially chronically single people, have traits that are not considered desirable. A single person’s ego is not going to accept something that disturbing so instead they strongly embrace the I love being single idea.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Jay Fink


    I once complained about being single on Facebook. Not just a crude complaint ( like I see from time to time on there) but a well written essay. I learned two things. Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics. I was surprised at the level of naivety that’s out there among normies.
     
    Just approach one of the girls in the steno pool (ideally, one with big knockers) and ask her if she wants to paint the town red. You'll be rolling in it, bro.

    Replies: @anon

    , @anon
    @Jay Fink

    Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics. I was surprised at the level of naivety that’s out there among normies.

    Most people only know the tiny slice of the world that is around them. It is also interesting how many people will insist that your experience is somehow "wrong" and they know more than you do -- about your situation.

    That's just the more or less normal people. The people who are seriously caught up in the envy cycle that is very common in social media, they basically live online as far as I can tell. If you call that living...

    The #2 thing I learned is most of my fellow single people have their defense mechanisms cranked up high

    "Man is not a rational animal, man is a rationalizing animal" -- Robert A. Heinlein
    "Oh, well, the grapes are probably sour anyway" - A fox in Aesop

    , @Wency
    @Jay Fink


    Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics.
     
    If people had a clue, we probably wouldn't be in the situation we're in. Even the manosphere seems to have a lot of guys who don't have a clue, mainly in expectations for picking up a marriageable 25 year old when they're 40.

    I think the good men are taken up much faster than the good women, honestly. Running in Christian circles, I know a lot of single women who really have their lives together. I personally know zero guys like this, in or out of Christian circles. The last of my high school buddies who had anything at all going for them were locked down by 32 or so. All that's left are the NEETs who play video games in their parents' basements all day.

    I know a gorgeous girl, part of wife's extended family. 10/10 wife material, mid-late 20s, just looking for a single Christian guy who has his life together. Can't find one.

    Replies: @Lowe, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Jokah Macpherson

    , @UK
    @Jay Fink


    especially chronically single people, have traits that are not considered desirable
     
    What's most frustrating about this fact is that they could almost always, if they got over themselves, be considered perfectly desirable, but their ego gets in the way and has to make it about something out of their control so as to maintain its grip.

    Ironically, a lot of "game" wasn't about "game" at all but about getting out of the way of yourself and being real.

    Replies: @Lowe

  14. @Jay Fink
    I once complained about being single on Facebook. Not just a crude complaint ( like I see from time to time on there) but a well written essay. I learned two things. Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics. I was surprised at the level of naivety that's out there among normies.

    The #2 thing I learned is most of my fellow single people have their defense mechanisms cranked up high and have long convinced themselves that being single is ideal. Having been in a long unhappy live in relationship, yes I agree being single is better than a bad relationship or marriage. Yet it's still not ideal or the way life is supposed to be IMO. If there is truth that the good ones are taken (and I believe it is true for the most part) that means single people, especially chronically single people, have traits that are not considered desirable. A single person's ego is not going to accept something that disturbing so instead they strongly embrace the I love being single idea.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki, @anon, @Wency, @UK

    I once complained about being single on Facebook. Not just a crude complaint ( like I see from time to time on there) but a well written essay. I learned two things. Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics. I was surprised at the level of naivety that’s out there among normies.

    Just approach one of the girls in the steno pool (ideally, one with big knockers) and ask her if she wants to paint the town red. You’ll be rolling in it, bro.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    Just approach one of the girls in the steno pool (ideally, one with big knockers) and ask her if she wants to paint the town red.

    Sure, take her to the sock hop or the double feature at the drive-in. Then stop off at the malt shop.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki

  15. anon[288] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jay Fink
    I once complained about being single on Facebook. Not just a crude complaint ( like I see from time to time on there) but a well written essay. I learned two things. Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics. I was surprised at the level of naivety that's out there among normies.

    The #2 thing I learned is most of my fellow single people have their defense mechanisms cranked up high and have long convinced themselves that being single is ideal. Having been in a long unhappy live in relationship, yes I agree being single is better than a bad relationship or marriage. Yet it's still not ideal or the way life is supposed to be IMO. If there is truth that the good ones are taken (and I believe it is true for the most part) that means single people, especially chronically single people, have traits that are not considered desirable. A single person's ego is not going to accept something that disturbing so instead they strongly embrace the I love being single idea.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki, @anon, @Wency, @UK

    Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics. I was surprised at the level of naivety that’s out there among normies.

    Most people only know the tiny slice of the world that is around them. It is also interesting how many people will insist that your experience is somehow “wrong” and they know more than you do — about your situation.

    That’s just the more or less normal people. The people who are seriously caught up in the envy cycle that is very common in social media, they basically live online as far as I can tell. If you call that living…

    The #2 thing I learned is most of my fellow single people have their defense mechanisms cranked up high

    “Man is not a rational animal, man is a rationalizing animal” — Robert A. Heinlein
    “Oh, well, the grapes are probably sour anyway” – A fox in Aesop

  16. @Tusk
    I'm unsure how it is now since I haven't had social media for many years, but when I did my view was that a lot of the "pro-relationship" people who seemed to be constantly posting stuff about their partner and other mundane relationship related things often had bad relationships. They often broke up after a moderate period of time, but it always came across as compensating their poor actual relationship by a facade of a good virtual relationship. Many people, as such, cannot tell the difference between the two. This is not to say that all people are like this but I think it certainly factors in. There's nothing like posting "staying in with my girlfriend to watch the Notebook" to remedy a small fracture in the relationship, since women are social creatures your social signalling that you are being kind reinforces her view of you, at the same time providing the idea to others that you are a happy couple.

    Evidently there are people who genuinely share stuff on social media that are stable, but considering social media is a vain and image-crafting method of communication I think it's safe to say a significant portion are just pretending. This is what makes these people feeling bad because of other peoples relationships in a weak position. Why feel bad about peoples alleged virtual relatoinship? The internet is largely fake and people letting it emotionally impact them are taking it way too seriously.

    Replies: @Wency

    Yeah, my last girlfriend before my wife loved to constantly post things about how great we were doing on social media. I think she was trying to convince herself as much as anyone, since I spent a good while contemplating whether to dump her before pulling the trigger, and I’m sure I gave her 1,000 subtle signs while telling her everything was fine. She called this “gaslighting” after I dumped her, and I probably should have been more open (at least it would have helped kill the thing faster).

    My relationship with my wife is vastly better than with that previous girlfriend, but she only posts major life events on social media.

    • Agree: Tusk
    • Replies: @Talha
    @Wency

    Why do people have a running memoirs about their detailed relationships open to the world? I thought women used to keep these thoughts locked up in diaries or something, no?

    Peace.

    Replies: @Wency

  17. @Wency
    @Tusk

    Yeah, my last girlfriend before my wife loved to constantly post things about how great we were doing on social media. I think she was trying to convince herself as much as anyone, since I spent a good while contemplating whether to dump her before pulling the trigger, and I'm sure I gave her 1,000 subtle signs while telling her everything was fine. She called this "gaslighting" after I dumped her, and I probably should have been more open (at least it would have helped kill the thing faster).

    My relationship with my wife is vastly better than with that previous girlfriend, but she only posts major life events on social media.

    Replies: @Talha

    Why do people have a running memoirs about their detailed relationships open to the world? I thought women used to keep these thoughts locked up in diaries or something, no?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Wency
    @Talha

    I don't have a need to share this stuff, but I don't care if anyone knows, either. I was corroborating Tusk's point, and offering some context. Maybe it was too much detail. If so, feedback noted.

    Replies: @Talha, @UK

  18. @Jay Fink
    I once complained about being single on Facebook. Not just a crude complaint ( like I see from time to time on there) but a well written essay. I learned two things. Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics. I was surprised at the level of naivety that's out there among normies.

    The #2 thing I learned is most of my fellow single people have their defense mechanisms cranked up high and have long convinced themselves that being single is ideal. Having been in a long unhappy live in relationship, yes I agree being single is better than a bad relationship or marriage. Yet it's still not ideal or the way life is supposed to be IMO. If there is truth that the good ones are taken (and I believe it is true for the most part) that means single people, especially chronically single people, have traits that are not considered desirable. A single person's ego is not going to accept something that disturbing so instead they strongly embrace the I love being single idea.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki, @anon, @Wency, @UK

    Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics.

    If people had a clue, we probably wouldn’t be in the situation we’re in. Even the manosphere seems to have a lot of guys who don’t have a clue, mainly in expectations for picking up a marriageable 25 year old when they’re 40.

    I think the good men are taken up much faster than the good women, honestly. Running in Christian circles, I know a lot of single women who really have their lives together. I personally know zero guys like this, in or out of Christian circles. The last of my high school buddies who had anything at all going for them were locked down by 32 or so. All that’s left are the NEETs who play video games in their parents’ basements all day.

    I know a gorgeous girl, part of wife’s extended family. 10/10 wife material, mid-late 20s, just looking for a single Christian guy who has his life together. Can’t find one.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    @Wency

    Well, she should marry a 40 y/o man then. Men don't stop being able to sire children, ever. Maybe you should tell her that. Like you said, she probably doesn't have a clue.

    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Wency

    Unz's own Daniel Williams is looking for a partner. Warning, he's "had his fun" and is "looking to settle down", though.

    In all seriousness though, I agree. Alot of men are losers with no career these days. Alot of men are also losers without the ability to hold a relationship.

    , @Jokah Macpherson
    @Wency


    I know a gorgeous girl, part of wife’s extended family. 10/10 wife material, mid-late 20s, just looking for a single Christian guy who has his life together. Can’t find one.
     
    Maybe she should lay off the video games, move out of her parents' house, and get a job.
  19. @Talha
    @Wency

    Why do people have a running memoirs about their detailed relationships open to the world? I thought women used to keep these thoughts locked up in diaries or something, no?

    Peace.

    Replies: @Wency

    I don’t have a need to share this stuff, but I don’t care if anyone knows, either. I was corroborating Tusk’s point, and offering some context. Maybe it was too much detail. If so, feedback noted.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Wency

    No, I didn’t mean you specifically or what you just wrote - it was rather mild. I was talking in general as far as the trends happening in society.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @UK
    @Wency

    Being open and trying to convince everyone that the image your prefer for yourself are two different things.

    I didn't pick up a lot of the latter in your post.

  20. UK says:
    @Jay Fink
    I once complained about being single on Facebook. Not just a crude complaint ( like I see from time to time on there) but a well written essay. I learned two things. Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics. I was surprised at the level of naivety that's out there among normies.

    The #2 thing I learned is most of my fellow single people have their defense mechanisms cranked up high and have long convinced themselves that being single is ideal. Having been in a long unhappy live in relationship, yes I agree being single is better than a bad relationship or marriage. Yet it's still not ideal or the way life is supposed to be IMO. If there is truth that the good ones are taken (and I believe it is true for the most part) that means single people, especially chronically single people, have traits that are not considered desirable. A single person's ego is not going to accept something that disturbing so instead they strongly embrace the I love being single idea.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki, @anon, @Wency, @UK

    especially chronically single people, have traits that are not considered desirable

    What’s most frustrating about this fact is that they could almost always, if they got over themselves, be considered perfectly desirable, but their ego gets in the way and has to make it about something out of their control so as to maintain its grip.

    Ironically, a lot of “game” wasn’t about “game” at all but about getting out of the way of yourself and being real.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    @UK

    Game is definitely not about being real. It's about acting like somebody who developed social skills in childhood and adolescence, even though really you didn't because you either had a messed up family or poor genes, but probably both.

    I.e. it's about being somebody you aren't, not who you are. Which is not necessarily bad, though it would never be written in a Hallmark card.

    Replies: @UK

  21. @Wency
    @Talha

    I don't have a need to share this stuff, but I don't care if anyone knows, either. I was corroborating Tusk's point, and offering some context. Maybe it was too much detail. If so, feedback noted.

    Replies: @Talha, @UK

    No, I didn’t mean you specifically or what you just wrote – it was rather mild. I was talking in general as far as the trends happening in society.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Talha

    Specifically your comment about "...my last girlfriend before my wife loved to constantly post things about how great we were doing on social media...".

  22. @Wency
    @Talha

    I don't have a need to share this stuff, but I don't care if anyone knows, either. I was corroborating Tusk's point, and offering some context. Maybe it was too much detail. If so, feedback noted.

    Replies: @Talha, @UK

    Being open and trying to convince everyone that the image your prefer for yourself are two different things.

    I didn’t pick up a lot of the latter in your post.

  23. @Talha
    @Wency

    No, I didn’t mean you specifically or what you just wrote - it was rather mild. I was talking in general as far as the trends happening in society.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Talha

    Specifically your comment about “…my last girlfriend before my wife loved to constantly post things about how great we were doing on social media…”.

  24. We are a conquered people

    We better start acting like it

    🙁

    • Replies: @Talha
    @216


    We are a conquered people
     
    I'm sorry, why? Is it because an officer can't get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public? I don't understand.

    In this situation, what would have been "winning"?

    And no, I don't support the looting and burning down of businesses - that's just nonsense, but I totally understand why people would be protesting against and even potentially clashing with police to try to force an expedited arrest and review of the case. Hell, I saw a bunch of protestors a little while back getting into shoving matches with police about their rights to haircuts, this is a far bigger issue.

    Peace.

    Replies: @216, @RSDB, @dfordoom, @iffen, @anon

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @216

    Could be. On the other hand, she got ratioed hard.

  25. @216
    We are a conquered people

    We better start acting like it

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1266502269849276423

    :(

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

    We are a conquered people

    I’m sorry, why? Is it because an officer can’t get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public? I don’t understand.

    In this situation, what would have been “winning”?

    And no, I don’t support the looting and burning down of businesses – that’s just nonsense, but I totally understand why people would be protesting against and even potentially clashing with police to try to force an expedited arrest and review of the case. Hell, I saw a bunch of protestors a little while back getting into shoving matches with police about their rights to haircuts, this is a far bigger issue.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @216
    @Talha

    The media has spun a narrative of white collective guilt, and Conservative Inc is now openly endorsing it. We all have to grovel because of this act of police brutality.

    If Trump loses in November, I'm afraid I'm done with politics. I'm seriously concerned about retribution from a leftist government under the guise of hate speech.

    Powell was right, the black man now has the whip over the white man.

    I guess we just have to cope.

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

    , @RSDB
    @Talha

    What scares me about this is that it seems to send the message: if you have a real grievance, you will get redress when, and only when, things start going up in flames.

    Ultimately this is a pretty bad model for the communities (black or white or whatever) that see themselves as having to use this method.

    Replies: @Talha, @Talha

    , @dfordoom
    @Talha


    I’m sorry, why? Is it because an officer can’t get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public? I don’t understand.
     
    The mindset that increasingly dominates the far right is exactly the same as the mindset that has come to dominate among Social Justice Warriors.

    To a disturbingly large segment of the far right nothing can ever be the fault of whites. If white people do something stupid, it must be because some sinister group forced them to do so. If a white person does something wrong, it must be because some sinister group forced him to do so. This sinister group might be the Jews, or it might be the commies, or it might be the Democratic Party or it might be the Deep State. It doesn't really matter, as long as it means that whites don't have to take responsibility because they're the victims of a dastardly conspiracy.

    If a white person becomes addicted to opioids, it's the fault of this sinister conspiracy. If a white person surrenders to self-pity and kills himself, it's the fault of this sinister conspiracy. If a white person commits a violent crime, it's the fault of this sinister conspiracy. And, bizarrely, if a white person is too selfish and too self-absorbed to accept the responsibility entailed by having children, that's also the fault of this conspiracy. It's not white people refusing to have kids - it's White Genocide! Which of course is the fault of the Jews/commies/Democrats/Deep State.

    And of course if a white guy can't get a girlfriend, or if his wife leaves him, or he can't get into Harvard it's the fault of the Jews/commies/Democrats/Deep State.

    Recently there have been a few variations - sometimes it's the Moslems or the Chinese conspiring against white people.

    The far right has become an ideology of victimhood and helplessness, just like Social Justice.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @iffen
    @Talha

    potentially clashing with police to try to force an expedited arrest and review of the case

    This is not rule of law; this is mob rule, vigilante rule.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @anon
    @Talha

    Is it because an officer can’t get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public?

    That is a hasty judgement. In cases such as this it is prudent to wait for as many facts as possible, such as the coroner's report on cause of death. See the forensics of both the Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin cases for examples. Although as the old English saying goes, a lie can run half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on.

    One thing is certain to me: we are being lied to by the mass media constantly for purposes of manipulation. Something to bear in mind when watching video.

    dfordoom
    To the American Right cops can do no wrong. They’re the Brave Heroes In Blue. Cop worship is a tribal marker for American right-wingers.

    You do not know what you are ranting about. You are ignorant and prejudiced.

  26. 216 says:
    @Talha
    @216


    We are a conquered people
     
    I'm sorry, why? Is it because an officer can't get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public? I don't understand.

    In this situation, what would have been "winning"?

    And no, I don't support the looting and burning down of businesses - that's just nonsense, but I totally understand why people would be protesting against and even potentially clashing with police to try to force an expedited arrest and review of the case. Hell, I saw a bunch of protestors a little while back getting into shoving matches with police about their rights to haircuts, this is a far bigger issue.

    Peace.

    Replies: @216, @RSDB, @dfordoom, @iffen, @anon

    The media has spun a narrative of white collective guilt, and Conservative Inc is now openly endorsing it. We all have to grovel because of this act of police brutality.

    If Trump loses in November, I’m afraid I’m done with politics. I’m seriously concerned about retribution from a leftist government under the guise of hate speech.

    Powell was right, the black man now has the whip over the white man.

    I guess we just have to cope.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @216


    We all have to grovel because of this act of police brutality.
     
    OK - I get your point. Being neither black nor white (and an immigrant) - I don't care a whit for this to go tribal. I'm looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces; both in being able to shut down people in their homes without a major public debate or literally killing an already well-subdued and unarmed man (black or white).

    I agree that it is horrible that this thing has become yet another spark for race-based confrontation instead of focusing on what we all - as citizens - could collectively agree on and benefit from. That would have been "winning" as far as I'm concerned.

    Peace.

    Replies: @216, @Daniel Williams, @dfordoom

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @216

    Remarkable how all the faux concern about social distancing just went up in smoke, literally.

  27. @216
    @Talha

    The media has spun a narrative of white collective guilt, and Conservative Inc is now openly endorsing it. We all have to grovel because of this act of police brutality.

    If Trump loses in November, I'm afraid I'm done with politics. I'm seriously concerned about retribution from a leftist government under the guise of hate speech.

    Powell was right, the black man now has the whip over the white man.

    I guess we just have to cope.

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

    We all have to grovel because of this act of police brutality.

    OK – I get your point. Being neither black nor white (and an immigrant) – I don’t care a whit for this to go tribal. I’m looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces; both in being able to shut down people in their homes without a major public debate or literally killing an already well-subdued and unarmed man (black or white).

    I agree that it is horrible that this thing has become yet another spark for race-based confrontation instead of focusing on what we all – as citizens – could collectively agree on and benefit from. That would have been “winning” as far as I’m concerned.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @216
    @Talha

    Those are valid concerns, but that debate flew out the window when the arson started.

    Most GOP pols won't morally shame the rioters.

    And even if they do they get called racist.

    BlackTwitter gets millions of likes for posts advocating violence, and they aren't banned.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Daniel Williams
    @Talha


    Being neither black nor white (and an immigrant) – I don’t care a whit for this to go tribal. I’m looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces ...
     
    It’s not the same for normal white Americans who were born here. We remember how it used to be.

    You see a militarized police force but we see a desperate attempt to impose the order we crave on a people who don’t (and will never) desire it.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @dfordoom
    @Talha


    I’m looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces; both in being able to shut down people in their homes without a major public debate or literally killing an already well-subdued and unarmed man (black or white).
     
    To the American Right cops can do no wrong. They're the Brave Heroes In Blue. Cop worship is a tribal marker for American right-wingers.

    Replies: @Talha

  28. @Talha
    @216


    We all have to grovel because of this act of police brutality.
     
    OK - I get your point. Being neither black nor white (and an immigrant) - I don't care a whit for this to go tribal. I'm looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces; both in being able to shut down people in their homes without a major public debate or literally killing an already well-subdued and unarmed man (black or white).

    I agree that it is horrible that this thing has become yet another spark for race-based confrontation instead of focusing on what we all - as citizens - could collectively agree on and benefit from. That would have been "winning" as far as I'm concerned.

    Peace.

    Replies: @216, @Daniel Williams, @dfordoom

    Those are valid concerns, but that debate flew out the window when the arson started.

    Most GOP pols won’t morally shame the rioters.

    And even if they do they get called racist.

    BlackTwitter gets millions of likes for posts advocating violence, and they aren’t banned.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @216


    Most GOP pols won’t morally shame the rioters.
     
    This I don't understand. Frustrations against a police force for being cavalier with the citizens who hire it simply doesn't translate to it being OK to loot and burn down a library (as I pointed out from that brother in the other thread). There should be a principled stance against looting and rioting without any reference to race of rioters (and yes, I have seen whites - though not a lot - among the looters).

    BlackTwitter gets millions of likes for posts advocating violence, and they aren’t banned.
     
    I have to agree here that, if Twitter is going to ban people for advocacy of violence, it needs to be across the board.

    I don't have a huge amount of hope that everything will turn out great at the end of this, I am hoping cooler heads will eventually prevail after the smoke clears and we can have a more comprehensive public conversation about how to move forward as per my "winning" outline.

    Peace.
  29. @216
    @Talha

    Those are valid concerns, but that debate flew out the window when the arson started.

    Most GOP pols won't morally shame the rioters.

    And even if they do they get called racist.

    BlackTwitter gets millions of likes for posts advocating violence, and they aren't banned.

    Replies: @Talha

    Most GOP pols won’t morally shame the rioters.

    This I don’t understand. Frustrations against a police force for being cavalier with the citizens who hire it simply doesn’t translate to it being OK to loot and burn down a library (as I pointed out from that brother in the other thread). There should be a principled stance against looting and rioting without any reference to race of rioters (and yes, I have seen whites – though not a lot – among the looters).

    BlackTwitter gets millions of likes for posts advocating violence, and they aren’t banned.

    I have to agree here that, if Twitter is going to ban people for advocacy of violence, it needs to be across the board.

    I don’t have a huge amount of hope that everything will turn out great at the end of this, I am hoping cooler heads will eventually prevail after the smoke clears and we can have a more comprehensive public conversation about how to move forward as per my “winning” outline.

    Peace.

    • Thanks: 216
  30. @Achmed E. Newman
    @dfordoom


    I’m not addicted to unz commenting. I can quit any time I want. Truly.
     
    Heh!

    There's a 12-step program for us, but you need Facebook to sign up.

    Thank you for your moral support, DforDoom. BTW, likewise on the FB and Twitter.

    Replies: @Yahya K.

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    What’s the psychological force here?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Yahya K.

    The spirit needs truth to flourish upon, and there's a better chance of getting some here than most other places. We're like the flies that come buzzing out of the windowsills during a warm day in winter, looking for a little something to feed upon before night sends us back into hibernation.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Yahya K.

    I.D. has got his own metaphysical theory, but mine is: I don't have to give out any real information, I can pimp out my blog, I can tell real actual Communists how full of shit they are, and the structure of Ron Unz's comment section is the best I've seen anywhere on the web.

    It's like crack, only cheaper, man!

    , @dfordoom
    @Yahya K.


    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    What’s the psychological force here?
     
    Maybe it's a big fish in a small pond thing. It applies to the internet as a whole in many ways.

    In real life you might be just a very ordinary guy, maybe even a bit of a loser, but you go on an online forum and you can be famous, even if you're only famous among a few hundred people (or even a few dozen people). We all like to think we count for something. The reality is that most of us don't really count for very much.

    Back in the pre-internet days people could get their sense of self-worth from being liked and respected by their families or by their workmates or by a small group of actual friends. THat doesn't seem to happen any more.

    This is also why extremist politics appeals to a lot of people. I used to know a guy who was a big wheel in a Trotskyist splinter group. Within that group he was a real mover and a shaker. OK, the group only had about twelve members in the entire country, but among those twelve people he was an acknowledged leader.
    , @iffen
    @Yahya K.

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    I'm not addicted. I can quit anytime I want to. Besides, even if I am addicted, I'm not harming anyone other than myself.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha

  31. @Yahya K.
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    What's the psychological force here?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Achmed E. Newman, @dfordoom, @iffen

    The spirit needs truth to flourish upon, and there’s a better chance of getting some here than most other places. We’re like the flies that come buzzing out of the windowsills during a warm day in winter, looking for a little something to feed upon before night sends us back into hibernation.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  32. @Wency
    @Jay Fink


    Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics.
     
    If people had a clue, we probably wouldn't be in the situation we're in. Even the manosphere seems to have a lot of guys who don't have a clue, mainly in expectations for picking up a marriageable 25 year old when they're 40.

    I think the good men are taken up much faster than the good women, honestly. Running in Christian circles, I know a lot of single women who really have their lives together. I personally know zero guys like this, in or out of Christian circles. The last of my high school buddies who had anything at all going for them were locked down by 32 or so. All that's left are the NEETs who play video games in their parents' basements all day.

    I know a gorgeous girl, part of wife's extended family. 10/10 wife material, mid-late 20s, just looking for a single Christian guy who has his life together. Can't find one.

    Replies: @Lowe, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Jokah Macpherson

    Well, she should marry a 40 y/o man then. Men don’t stop being able to sire children, ever. Maybe you should tell her that. Like you said, she probably doesn’t have a clue.

  33. @Yahya K.
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    What's the psychological force here?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Achmed E. Newman, @dfordoom, @iffen

    I.D. has got his own metaphysical theory, but mine is: I don’t have to give out any real information, I can pimp out my blog, I can tell real actual Communists how full of shit they are, and the structure of Ron Unz’s comment section is the best I’ve seen anywhere on the web.

    It’s like crack, only cheaper, man!

  34. @Talha
    @216


    We all have to grovel because of this act of police brutality.
     
    OK - I get your point. Being neither black nor white (and an immigrant) - I don't care a whit for this to go tribal. I'm looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces; both in being able to shut down people in their homes without a major public debate or literally killing an already well-subdued and unarmed man (black or white).

    I agree that it is horrible that this thing has become yet another spark for race-based confrontation instead of focusing on what we all - as citizens - could collectively agree on and benefit from. That would have been "winning" as far as I'm concerned.

    Peace.

    Replies: @216, @Daniel Williams, @dfordoom

    Being neither black nor white (and an immigrant) – I don’t care a whit for this to go tribal. I’m looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces …

    It’s not the same for normal white Americans who were born here. We remember how it used to be.

    You see a militarized police force but we see a desperate attempt to impose the order we crave on a people who don’t (and will never) desire it.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Daniel Williams

    I agree, as an immigrant, I don’t think I can eve understand truly the native experience. Though, since I have been here since the early eighties, I definitely remember it being a much freer (and less complicated) country in the past.

    Peace.

  35. Lowe says:
    @UK
    @Jay Fink


    especially chronically single people, have traits that are not considered desirable
     
    What's most frustrating about this fact is that they could almost always, if they got over themselves, be considered perfectly desirable, but their ego gets in the way and has to make it about something out of their control so as to maintain its grip.

    Ironically, a lot of "game" wasn't about "game" at all but about getting out of the way of yourself and being real.

    Replies: @Lowe

    Game is definitely not about being real. It’s about acting like somebody who developed social skills in childhood and adolescence, even though really you didn’t because you either had a messed up family or poor genes, but probably both.

    I.e. it’s about being somebody you aren’t, not who you are. Which is not necessarily bad, though it would never be written in a Hallmark card.

    • Replies: @UK
    @Lowe

    My impression is that it is about just getting up and talking to the very beautiful woman that you really want to talk to. That it also encourages you to drop your ego's neediness and instead be expressive and natural and have fun.

    But then you and I may disagree what "you" or indeed what constitutes any person really is. You can dismiss this as only worthy of a "Hallmark card" but I'd ask why you would feel the need to do so.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Lowe

  36. @UK
    @Not My Economy

    It is only an inference from Talha's observation but if the guys in dresses and beards are so quick to respond to Twittered messages then maybe they aren't exactly inundated by people from their "actual traditional culture."

    Not that this is really a criticism as it is the way of people in general.

    For example, if you want to write an essay at university well, the easiest thing to do is simply phone up the leading academics in the field - in whatever countries they work. They will likely talk to you and share their thoughts on the phone, despite you being a nobody. They will essentially structure your research and essay for you, so you only need to fill in the blanks. But somehkwy nobody take advantage...

    I assume they will do this all for free because they both love talking about the subject they love and because "nobodies" never actually bother to make the personal effort to ask.

    Replies: @Talha

    the guys in dresses and beards are so quick to respond to Twittered messages then maybe they aren’t exactly inundated by people from their “actual tradition culture”

    I think you misunderstood or maybe I wasn’t clear. I am not communicating directly with the likes of Mufti Taqi Uthmani or Ahaykh Muhammad Shinqiti or Shaykh Ali Qaradaghi. I don’t think they even know what Twitter is (or they’ve never directly been on it) and likely have a crew that handles those communications. They have way better things to do with their time. What do you think they are, US presidents?!

    I can just keep up with their official statements and what not.

    The scholars/academics I have interacted with are usually at Western universities and they do seem to have some time to spare. And, yes, they seem eager to share their knowledge.

    Peace.

    • LOL: UK
  37. @Daniel Williams
    @Talha


    Being neither black nor white (and an immigrant) – I don’t care a whit for this to go tribal. I’m looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces ...
     
    It’s not the same for normal white Americans who were born here. We remember how it used to be.

    You see a militarized police force but we see a desperate attempt to impose the order we crave on a people who don’t (and will never) desire it.

    Replies: @Talha

    I agree, as an immigrant, I don’t think I can eve understand truly the native experience. Though, since I have been here since the early eighties, I definitely remember it being a much freer (and less complicated) country in the past.

    Peace.

  38. RSDB says:
    @Talha
    @216


    We are a conquered people
     
    I'm sorry, why? Is it because an officer can't get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public? I don't understand.

    In this situation, what would have been "winning"?

    And no, I don't support the looting and burning down of businesses - that's just nonsense, but I totally understand why people would be protesting against and even potentially clashing with police to try to force an expedited arrest and review of the case. Hell, I saw a bunch of protestors a little while back getting into shoving matches with police about their rights to haircuts, this is a far bigger issue.

    Peace.

    Replies: @216, @RSDB, @dfordoom, @iffen, @anon

    What scares me about this is that it seems to send the message: if you have a real grievance, you will get redress when, and only when, things start going up in flames.

    Ultimately this is a pretty bad model for the communities (black or white or whatever) that see themselves as having to use this method.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @RSDB

    Yup, and it’s going to consume everything, even those who fan the flames:
    https://www.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1266512404235661312

    Peace.

    , @Talha
    @RSDB

    I think another thing to think about is that it has been preceded by almost three months of lock down, isolation from others, lack of supplies in stores, loss of jobs, people feeling vulnerable. As I mentioned, there were masses of open-carry protesters at capital buildings, there were barber protests in the streets. There was already a large amount of tension building.

    We knew there were going to be certain consequences to the Covid lockdown, and maybe this is the spark that just set things off.

    In the context of other countries, this is not that uncommon. Corrupt police detain a youth or something for some minor offense, beat the crap out of him and he ends up dead or in a coma. It comes on the end of a bad month when a couple of other youth were carelessly run over by a police car and the currency has been collapsing with a rise in prices of staples. Sometimes there is a race or tribal aspect to it or a socio-economic class aspect (depending of country).

    Bam! Protests start, gangs of young men running street battles with the police and paramilitary throwing tear gas and using batons for a week or so until things calm down. Lots of police equipment destroyed, lots arrested and a few more dead. With or without vandalism and property destruction.

    Coming from the third world, I’m pretty sure you know what I’m talking about.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB

  39. Glorifying Violence

  40. @RSDB
    @Talha

    What scares me about this is that it seems to send the message: if you have a real grievance, you will get redress when, and only when, things start going up in flames.

    Ultimately this is a pretty bad model for the communities (black or white or whatever) that see themselves as having to use this method.

    Replies: @Talha, @Talha

    Yup, and it’s going to consume everything, even those who fan the flames:

    Peace.

  41. @RSDB
    @Talha

    What scares me about this is that it seems to send the message: if you have a real grievance, you will get redress when, and only when, things start going up in flames.

    Ultimately this is a pretty bad model for the communities (black or white or whatever) that see themselves as having to use this method.

    Replies: @Talha, @Talha

    I think another thing to think about is that it has been preceded by almost three months of lock down, isolation from others, lack of supplies in stores, loss of jobs, people feeling vulnerable. As I mentioned, there were masses of open-carry protesters at capital buildings, there were barber protests in the streets. There was already a large amount of tension building.

    We knew there were going to be certain consequences to the Covid lockdown, and maybe this is the spark that just set things off.

    In the context of other countries, this is not that uncommon. Corrupt police detain a youth or something for some minor offense, beat the crap out of him and he ends up dead or in a coma. It comes on the end of a bad month when a couple of other youth were carelessly run over by a police car and the currency has been collapsing with a rise in prices of staples. Sometimes there is a race or tribal aspect to it or a socio-economic class aspect (depending of country).

    Bam! Protests start, gangs of young men running street battles with the police and paramilitary throwing tear gas and using batons for a week or so until things calm down. Lots of police equipment destroyed, lots arrested and a few more dead. With or without vandalism and property destruction.

    Coming from the third world, I’m pretty sure you know what I’m talking about.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Talha

    Also...someone had to say it:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZPRt5GWkAETRjr.jpg

    Replies: @Talha

    , @RSDB
    @Talha

    Good points. I think you've stated much of what many of us are thinking.

    On the other hand this isn't the third world and another potential consequence in this country specifically (I also grew up a few towns away from Newark NJ) is the strangulation of a community where mass disturbances happen.

    The particular thing that worried me was mainly what I mentioned before, the optic here that will spread (regardless of how close it comes to reality) being that rioting gets you justice.

    Also, the successful attack on a police station-- antifa folks or whoever must be historically aware enough to know that raids on police stations are a standard tactic of real rebellions, such as the IRA, LTTE, etc. Usually in those cases the cops fight back, though, so this was a different dynamic. I don't think this is being refined into a tactic for use by crazies or provocateurs here but one never knows.

    Good points also about selective media coverage. Don't forget, either, it is after all an election year, time to really splash some nice headlines.

    Though it makes me chuckle a bit to remember that after the SL bombings a year ago, when one or two innocent Ahmadis were beaten up some silly person posted about how glad he was the US had no communal violence. (To be quite fair, we have had not that much overall compared to many places, at least in recent decades.)

  42. @Talha
    @RSDB

    I think another thing to think about is that it has been preceded by almost three months of lock down, isolation from others, lack of supplies in stores, loss of jobs, people feeling vulnerable. As I mentioned, there were masses of open-carry protesters at capital buildings, there were barber protests in the streets. There was already a large amount of tension building.

    We knew there were going to be certain consequences to the Covid lockdown, and maybe this is the spark that just set things off.

    In the context of other countries, this is not that uncommon. Corrupt police detain a youth or something for some minor offense, beat the crap out of him and he ends up dead or in a coma. It comes on the end of a bad month when a couple of other youth were carelessly run over by a police car and the currency has been collapsing with a rise in prices of staples. Sometimes there is a race or tribal aspect to it or a socio-economic class aspect (depending of country).

    Bam! Protests start, gangs of young men running street battles with the police and paramilitary throwing tear gas and using batons for a week or so until things calm down. Lots of police equipment destroyed, lots arrested and a few more dead. With or without vandalism and property destruction.

    Coming from the third world, I’m pretty sure you know what I’m talking about.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB

    Also…someone had to say it:

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Talha

    Also, also...these counter narratives have to be promoted:
    https://www.twitter.com/lolwtfnotmonica/status/1266140727358246913

    https://www.twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1266094613921771520

  43. @Talha
    @Talha

    Also...someone had to say it:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZPRt5GWkAETRjr.jpg

    Replies: @Talha

    Also, also…these counter narratives have to be promoted:

  44. @t
    OT: in 99% likelihood that this is false every single person who helped spread this needs to be sued into bankruptcy and the FOP has the pockets to do it.

    https://twitter.com/dyllyp/status/1266166402521522176

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Audacious Epigone

    Welcome to the real world. Now, why was he doing this? Don’t tell me. Uh . . . to get Trump unelected? Got it in one try. I know you folks like the back of my hand.

  45. @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Jay Fink


    I once complained about being single on Facebook. Not just a crude complaint ( like I see from time to time on there) but a well written essay. I learned two things. Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics. I was surprised at the level of naivety that’s out there among normies.
     
    Just approach one of the girls in the steno pool (ideally, one with big knockers) and ask her if she wants to paint the town red. You'll be rolling in it, bro.

    Replies: @anon

    Just approach one of the girls in the steno pool (ideally, one with big knockers) and ask her if she wants to paint the town red.

    Sure, take her to the sock hop or the double feature at the drive-in. Then stop off at the malt shop.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
    @anon


    take her to the sock hop or the double feature at the drive-in.
     
    Oddly, the double-feature at the drive-in is still very much a thing (drive-in theaters are not popular anymore...but I think most areas still have one). Other than for the very occasional one-off screening, I don't think I've seen a double-feature at a regular cinema since the Clinton administration.
  46. UK says:
    @Lowe
    @UK

    Game is definitely not about being real. It's about acting like somebody who developed social skills in childhood and adolescence, even though really you didn't because you either had a messed up family or poor genes, but probably both.

    I.e. it's about being somebody you aren't, not who you are. Which is not necessarily bad, though it would never be written in a Hallmark card.

    Replies: @UK

    My impression is that it is about just getting up and talking to the very beautiful woman that you really want to talk to. That it also encourages you to drop your ego’s neediness and instead be expressive and natural and have fun.

    But then you and I may disagree what “you” or indeed what constitutes any person really is. You can dismiss this as only worthy of a “Hallmark card” but I’d ask why you would feel the need to do so.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @UK


    My impression is that it is about just getting up and talking to the very beautiful woman that you really want to talk to.
     
    It's very easy to fall into the trap of thinking that there's no point in even approaching a particular woman because she's out of your league. But if you actually ask her to go out with you, she might say yes.

    That it also encourages you to drop your ego’s neediness and instead be expressive and natural and have fun.
     
    Women don't like self-pitying needy men.
    , @Lowe
    @UK

    Honestly, I'm just telling you what game is. It's not being real, genuine, or whatever other motivational poster stuff.

    It's pretending you are much more socially competent than your background would indicate, by copying other men who publish advice on the subject. You pretend and copy until that false image becomes reality, in some sense.

    This is literally what game guys say they are doing. Fake it till you make it, etc. Being yourself, being real or natural, is bad advice to give to socially maladjusted men, which is why game practitioners don't generally give that advice.

    Replies: @UK

  47. RSDB says:
    @Talha
    @RSDB

    I think another thing to think about is that it has been preceded by almost three months of lock down, isolation from others, lack of supplies in stores, loss of jobs, people feeling vulnerable. As I mentioned, there were masses of open-carry protesters at capital buildings, there were barber protests in the streets. There was already a large amount of tension building.

    We knew there were going to be certain consequences to the Covid lockdown, and maybe this is the spark that just set things off.

    In the context of other countries, this is not that uncommon. Corrupt police detain a youth or something for some minor offense, beat the crap out of him and he ends up dead or in a coma. It comes on the end of a bad month when a couple of other youth were carelessly run over by a police car and the currency has been collapsing with a rise in prices of staples. Sometimes there is a race or tribal aspect to it or a socio-economic class aspect (depending of country).

    Bam! Protests start, gangs of young men running street battles with the police and paramilitary throwing tear gas and using batons for a week or so until things calm down. Lots of police equipment destroyed, lots arrested and a few more dead. With or without vandalism and property destruction.

    Coming from the third world, I’m pretty sure you know what I’m talking about.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB

    Good points. I think you’ve stated much of what many of us are thinking.

    On the other hand this isn’t the third world and another potential consequence in this country specifically (I also grew up a few towns away from Newark NJ) is the strangulation of a community where mass disturbances happen.

    The particular thing that worried me was mainly what I mentioned before, the optic here that will spread (regardless of how close it comes to reality) being that rioting gets you justice.

    Also, the successful attack on a police station– antifa folks or whoever must be historically aware enough to know that raids on police stations are a standard tactic of real rebellions, such as the IRA, LTTE, etc. Usually in those cases the cops fight back, though, so this was a different dynamic. I don’t think this is being refined into a tactic for use by crazies or provocateurs here but one never knows.

    Good points also about selective media coverage. Don’t forget, either, it is after all an election year, time to really splash some nice headlines.

    Though it makes me chuckle a bit to remember that after the SL bombings a year ago, when one or two innocent Ahmadis were beaten up some silly person posted about how glad he was the US had no communal violence. (To be quite fair, we have had not that much overall compared to many places, at least in recent decades.)

    • Agree: Talha
  48. @Talha
    @216


    We are a conquered people
     
    I'm sorry, why? Is it because an officer can't get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public? I don't understand.

    In this situation, what would have been "winning"?

    And no, I don't support the looting and burning down of businesses - that's just nonsense, but I totally understand why people would be protesting against and even potentially clashing with police to try to force an expedited arrest and review of the case. Hell, I saw a bunch of protestors a little while back getting into shoving matches with police about their rights to haircuts, this is a far bigger issue.

    Peace.

    Replies: @216, @RSDB, @dfordoom, @iffen, @anon

    I’m sorry, why? Is it because an officer can’t get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public? I don’t understand.

    The mindset that increasingly dominates the far right is exactly the same as the mindset that has come to dominate among Social Justice Warriors.

    To a disturbingly large segment of the far right nothing can ever be the fault of whites. If white people do something stupid, it must be because some sinister group forced them to do so. If a white person does something wrong, it must be because some sinister group forced him to do so. This sinister group might be the Jews, or it might be the commies, or it might be the Democratic Party or it might be the Deep State. It doesn’t really matter, as long as it means that whites don’t have to take responsibility because they’re the victims of a dastardly conspiracy.

    If a white person becomes addicted to opioids, it’s the fault of this sinister conspiracy. If a white person surrenders to self-pity and kills himself, it’s the fault of this sinister conspiracy. If a white person commits a violent crime, it’s the fault of this sinister conspiracy. And, bizarrely, if a white person is too selfish and too self-absorbed to accept the responsibility entailed by having children, that’s also the fault of this conspiracy. It’s not white people refusing to have kids – it’s White Genocide! Which of course is the fault of the Jews/commies/Democrats/Deep State.

    And of course if a white guy can’t get a girlfriend, or if his wife leaves him, or he can’t get into Harvard it’s the fault of the Jews/commies/Democrats/Deep State.

    Recently there have been a few variations – sometimes it’s the Moslems or the Chinese conspiring against white people.

    The far right has become an ideology of victimhood and helplessness, just like Social Justice.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom


    The far right has become an ideology of victimhood and helplessness, just like Social Justice.
     
    This is exactly where the elites want any segment of the population in order to play them off one another. Get them to a point where they have no hope but to try to get the state on their side to solve all their problems, then you just play ping pong between the various sides and go through the formalities of changing hats every once in a while to give the impression you care about change.

    The thing that can’t be tolerated is people becoming self-reliant and primarily looking outside of the state for solutions:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BAT4ewXHjWQ

    Peace.
  49. @Talha
    @216


    We all have to grovel because of this act of police brutality.
     
    OK - I get your point. Being neither black nor white (and an immigrant) - I don't care a whit for this to go tribal. I'm looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces; both in being able to shut down people in their homes without a major public debate or literally killing an already well-subdued and unarmed man (black or white).

    I agree that it is horrible that this thing has become yet another spark for race-based confrontation instead of focusing on what we all - as citizens - could collectively agree on and benefit from. That would have been "winning" as far as I'm concerned.

    Peace.

    Replies: @216, @Daniel Williams, @dfordoom

    I’m looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces; both in being able to shut down people in their homes without a major public debate or literally killing an already well-subdued and unarmed man (black or white).

    To the American Right cops can do no wrong. They’re the Brave Heroes In Blue. Cop worship is a tribal marker for American right-wingers.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom


    To the American Right cops can do no wrong.
     
    Except when it comes to their rights being infringed upon.

    This lockdown has been quite instructive to be honest. I’ve seen videos of of right-wing citizens (mostly whites) getting in the faces of police officers and scream at them (no masks by the way, since you hear the interviews and these guys say it is all a hoax) for enforcing the lockdown and taking away their rights. You can usually tell since antifa types don’t carry US flags.

    I seem to see selective self-serving hypocrisy on both sides. People seem to like the police enforcing their side of things.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @iffen

  50. @Talha
    @216


    We are a conquered people
     
    I'm sorry, why? Is it because an officer can't get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public? I don't understand.

    In this situation, what would have been "winning"?

    And no, I don't support the looting and burning down of businesses - that's just nonsense, but I totally understand why people would be protesting against and even potentially clashing with police to try to force an expedited arrest and review of the case. Hell, I saw a bunch of protestors a little while back getting into shoving matches with police about their rights to haircuts, this is a far bigger issue.

    Peace.

    Replies: @216, @RSDB, @dfordoom, @iffen, @anon

    potentially clashing with police to try to force an expedited arrest and review of the case

    This is not rule of law; this is mob rule, vigilante rule.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @iffen

    Correct, this is usually what happens in other countries as well (a lot more) when people feel they have been preyed on by the police or the legal system has not been fair to them - they go outside the law to force its hand. Nothing new here.

    I don’t know why this is that strange to be honest for a guy your age. A lot more of this stuff happened in the 60s and 70s.

    I’m an immigrant, but I know enough about American history to know that there were even a few gay riots in San Francisco where police were being chased down by mobs and cop cars trashed. Stonewall is a famous one and this one too:
    “ On May 21, 1979, in an effort to voice their anger towards the unfair sentence of Dan White after killing Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk for their support in the gay community, the gay community along with supporters march and riot in the White Night Riot, ending with many arrests and looting... Again and again over the next two hours, cops retreated under mob pressure. Sixteen squad cars were captured and torched, hundreds of windows in surrounding governmental and financial buildings were broken.”
    http://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=White_Night_Riot:_May_21,_1979

    This has been going on in Paris for a while:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_ZE6AZ3uo

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @RSDB

  51. anon[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    @216


    We are a conquered people
     
    I'm sorry, why? Is it because an officer can't get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public? I don't understand.

    In this situation, what would have been "winning"?

    And no, I don't support the looting and burning down of businesses - that's just nonsense, but I totally understand why people would be protesting against and even potentially clashing with police to try to force an expedited arrest and review of the case. Hell, I saw a bunch of protestors a little while back getting into shoving matches with police about their rights to haircuts, this is a far bigger issue.

    Peace.

    Replies: @216, @RSDB, @dfordoom, @iffen, @anon

    Is it because an officer can’t get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public?

    That is a hasty judgement. In cases such as this it is prudent to wait for as many facts as possible, such as the coroner’s report on cause of death. See the forensics of both the Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin cases for examples. Although as the old English saying goes, a lie can run half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on.

    One thing is certain to me: we are being lied to by the mass media constantly for purposes of manipulation. Something to bear in mind when watching video.

    dfordoom
    To the American Right cops can do no wrong. They’re the Brave Heroes In Blue. Cop worship is a tribal marker for American right-wingers.

    You do not know what you are ranting about. You are ignorant and prejudiced.

    • Agree: Wency
  52. @Yahya K.
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    What's the psychological force here?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Achmed E. Newman, @dfordoom, @iffen

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    What’s the psychological force here?

    Maybe it’s a big fish in a small pond thing. It applies to the internet as a whole in many ways.

    In real life you might be just a very ordinary guy, maybe even a bit of a loser, but you go on an online forum and you can be famous, even if you’re only famous among a few hundred people (or even a few dozen people). We all like to think we count for something. The reality is that most of us don’t really count for very much.

    Back in the pre-internet days people could get their sense of self-worth from being liked and respected by their families or by their workmates or by a small group of actual friends. THat doesn’t seem to happen any more.

    This is also why extremist politics appeals to a lot of people. I used to know a guy who was a big wheel in a Trotskyist splinter group. Within that group he was a real mover and a shaker. OK, the group only had about twelve members in the entire country, but among those twelve people he was an acknowledged leader.

  53. @iffen
    @Talha

    potentially clashing with police to try to force an expedited arrest and review of the case

    This is not rule of law; this is mob rule, vigilante rule.

    Replies: @Talha

    Correct, this is usually what happens in other countries as well (a lot more) when people feel they have been preyed on by the police or the legal system has not been fair to them – they go outside the law to force its hand. Nothing new here.

    I don’t know why this is that strange to be honest for a guy your age. A lot more of this stuff happened in the 60s and 70s.

    I’m an immigrant, but I know enough about American history to know that there were even a few gay riots in San Francisco where police were being chased down by mobs and cop cars trashed. Stonewall is a famous one and this one too:
    “ On May 21, 1979, in an effort to voice their anger towards the unfair sentence of Dan White after killing Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk for their support in the gay community, the gay community along with supporters march and riot in the White Night Riot, ending with many arrests and looting… Again and again over the next two hours, cops retreated under mob pressure. Sixteen squad cars were captured and torched, hundreds of windows in surrounding governmental and financial buildings were broken.”
    http://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=White_Night_Riot:_May_21,_1979

    This has been going on in Paris for a while:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Talha

    I don’t know why this is that strange to be honest for a guy your age.

    I'm not sure how you got strange out of my comment.

    I was in DC in 1968 during the Martin Looter King riots.

    Soul Brother spray painted on the front of businesses didn't work then either.

    , @RSDB
    @Talha


    On May 21, 1979, in an effort to voice their anger towards the unfair sentence of Dan White after killing Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk for their support in the gay community
     
    This is a good comment but I would like to note that the section I highlighted is a rather tendentious reading on these peoples' part. Dan White was angry with the SF city leadership because they wouldn't reappoint him to the Board of Supervisors; after he killed Moscone and Milk he was found guilty of manslaughter rather than premeditated murder because the jury thought his depression rendered him incapable of the presence of mind necessary for premeditation.

    I don't think the Twinkie Defense would have gotten him off so lightly anywhere except San Francisco, so it's somewhat ironic San Franciscans were so incensed about it.

    An interesting read: https://www.sfweekly.com/news/dan-whites-motive-more-about-betrayal-than-homophobia/
  54. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    I’m looking at it from a concerned citizen point of view about the increasing militarization of our police forces; both in being able to shut down people in their homes without a major public debate or literally killing an already well-subdued and unarmed man (black or white).
     
    To the American Right cops can do no wrong. They're the Brave Heroes In Blue. Cop worship is a tribal marker for American right-wingers.

    Replies: @Talha

    To the American Right cops can do no wrong.

    Except when it comes to their rights being infringed upon.

    This lockdown has been quite instructive to be honest. I’ve seen videos of of right-wing citizens (mostly whites) getting in the faces of police officers and scream at them (no masks by the way, since you hear the interviews and these guys say it is all a hoax) for enforcing the lockdown and taking away their rights. You can usually tell since antifa types don’t carry US flags.

    I seem to see selective self-serving hypocrisy on both sides. People seem to like the police enforcing their side of things.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Talha

    None of the guys on the right are punching cops, destroying buildings, lighting cars on fire, etc. There really is no comparison.

    No comparison, yet, anyway. Whether or not there will ultimately be one is the real question. Given the looming economic catastrophe of the coming stagflation, I don't see how things are going to be cooled down. It's going to be a long hot summer. Hell, it's going to be a long, hot decade.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @iffen
    @Talha

    People seem to like the police enforcing their side of things.

    Duh!

  55. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    I’m sorry, why? Is it because an officer can’t get away with killing a man on the ground while being video-taped in broad daylight in public? I don’t understand.
     
    The mindset that increasingly dominates the far right is exactly the same as the mindset that has come to dominate among Social Justice Warriors.

    To a disturbingly large segment of the far right nothing can ever be the fault of whites. If white people do something stupid, it must be because some sinister group forced them to do so. If a white person does something wrong, it must be because some sinister group forced him to do so. This sinister group might be the Jews, or it might be the commies, or it might be the Democratic Party or it might be the Deep State. It doesn't really matter, as long as it means that whites don't have to take responsibility because they're the victims of a dastardly conspiracy.

    If a white person becomes addicted to opioids, it's the fault of this sinister conspiracy. If a white person surrenders to self-pity and kills himself, it's the fault of this sinister conspiracy. If a white person commits a violent crime, it's the fault of this sinister conspiracy. And, bizarrely, if a white person is too selfish and too self-absorbed to accept the responsibility entailed by having children, that's also the fault of this conspiracy. It's not white people refusing to have kids - it's White Genocide! Which of course is the fault of the Jews/commies/Democrats/Deep State.

    And of course if a white guy can't get a girlfriend, or if his wife leaves him, or he can't get into Harvard it's the fault of the Jews/commies/Democrats/Deep State.

    Recently there have been a few variations - sometimes it's the Moslems or the Chinese conspiring against white people.

    The far right has become an ideology of victimhood and helplessness, just like Social Justice.

    Replies: @Talha

    The far right has become an ideology of victimhood and helplessness, just like Social Justice.

    This is exactly where the elites want any segment of the population in order to play them off one another. Get them to a point where they have no hope but to try to get the state on their side to solve all their problems, then you just play ping pong between the various sides and go through the formalities of changing hats every once in a while to give the impression you care about change.

    The thing that can’t be tolerated is people becoming self-reliant and primarily looking outside of the state for solutions:

    Peace.

  56. @t
    OT: in 99% likelihood that this is false every single person who helped spread this needs to be sued into bankruptcy and the FOP has the pockets to do it.

    https://twitter.com/dyllyp/status/1266166402521522176

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Audacious Epigone

    It’s false.

  57. @216
    We are a conquered people

    We better start acting like it

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1266502269849276423

    :(

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

    Could be. On the other hand, she got ratioed hard.

  58. @216
    @Talha

    The media has spun a narrative of white collective guilt, and Conservative Inc is now openly endorsing it. We all have to grovel because of this act of police brutality.

    If Trump loses in November, I'm afraid I'm done with politics. I'm seriously concerned about retribution from a leftist government under the guise of hate speech.

    Powell was right, the black man now has the whip over the white man.

    I guess we just have to cope.

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

    Remarkable how all the faux concern about social distancing just went up in smoke, literally.

    • Agree: Talha
  59. @Talha
    @dfordoom


    To the American Right cops can do no wrong.
     
    Except when it comes to their rights being infringed upon.

    This lockdown has been quite instructive to be honest. I’ve seen videos of of right-wing citizens (mostly whites) getting in the faces of police officers and scream at them (no masks by the way, since you hear the interviews and these guys say it is all a hoax) for enforcing the lockdown and taking away their rights. You can usually tell since antifa types don’t carry US flags.

    I seem to see selective self-serving hypocrisy on both sides. People seem to like the police enforcing their side of things.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @iffen

    None of the guys on the right are punching cops, destroying buildings, lighting cars on fire, etc. There really is no comparison.

    No comparison, yet, anyway. Whether or not there will ultimately be one is the real question. Given the looming economic catastrophe of the coming stagflation, I don’t see how things are going to be cooled down. It’s going to be a long hot summer. Hell, it’s going to be a long, hot decade.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Audacious Epigone


    None of the guys on the right are punching cops, destroying buildings, lighting cars on fire, etc.
     
    I've seeing shoving, but yes, no doubt that the right is not much into anarchy-style rioting.

    It’s going to be a long hot summer.
     
    It may well rival those of the 60's and 70's.

    Peace.
  60. @UK
    @Lowe

    My impression is that it is about just getting up and talking to the very beautiful woman that you really want to talk to. That it also encourages you to drop your ego's neediness and instead be expressive and natural and have fun.

    But then you and I may disagree what "you" or indeed what constitutes any person really is. You can dismiss this as only worthy of a "Hallmark card" but I'd ask why you would feel the need to do so.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Lowe

    My impression is that it is about just getting up and talking to the very beautiful woman that you really want to talk to.

    It’s very easy to fall into the trap of thinking that there’s no point in even approaching a particular woman because she’s out of your league. But if you actually ask her to go out with you, she might say yes.

    That it also encourages you to drop your ego’s neediness and instead be expressive and natural and have fun.

    Women don’t like self-pitying needy men.

  61. Lowe says:
    @UK
    @Lowe

    My impression is that it is about just getting up and talking to the very beautiful woman that you really want to talk to. That it also encourages you to drop your ego's neediness and instead be expressive and natural and have fun.

    But then you and I may disagree what "you" or indeed what constitutes any person really is. You can dismiss this as only worthy of a "Hallmark card" but I'd ask why you would feel the need to do so.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Lowe

    Honestly, I’m just telling you what game is. It’s not being real, genuine, or whatever other motivational poster stuff.

    It’s pretending you are much more socially competent than your background would indicate, by copying other men who publish advice on the subject. You pretend and copy until that false image becomes reality, in some sense.

    This is literally what game guys say they are doing. Fake it till you make it, etc. Being yourself, being real or natural, is bad advice to give to socially maladjusted men, which is why game practitioners don’t generally give that advice.

    • Replies: @UK
    @Lowe

    We're very close to saying the same thing, despite being in apparent inverse to each other.

    Paradoxes are fun!

    Mine is just the same advice but more accurately formulated. You don't get it now (clearly), but one day you might. I really hope so, as it'll be a very nice moment for you.

    You can pretend to give zero f*cks, or you can actually value yourself and your own sense of feeling/temperament more than you value principles/being a good person/what you think your image is in the eyes of others.

    They'll come very close to amounting to the same thing, even as the latter will be much more authentic and also benevolent as well.

    You see a beautiful girl, you are complex in your response. You want to talk to her, so you of course you follow your temperament and do.

    On your way, you are also anxious and fearful. You welcome those feelings as they are you. They are the energy, once accepted, and allowed to flow, that will make others correctly perceive you as magnetic.

    If this sounds like dumb Hallmark card wishful thinking to you then you simply don't get it. It is actually extremely sophisticated psychology well-grounded in academic theory, literature and much of human spirituality.

    The problem is that communicating it to people who haven't experienced it is almost impossible. They are either immature and have no strength to look inwardly, or their ego is strong and won't let them. In the former case, it is cruel to talk about this stuff - it is going to set them off horribly. In the latter case, they'll listen but create all manner of defensive rationalisations as to why this quite simple thing is not worth an experiment. They'll probably also end up offended.

    This is why "Game" is quite interesting. Whether its propagators understand it or not, it amounts to advice to be you, as is properly understood, but it couches such advice in sales patter designed to appeal to the defensive young modern male ego.

    "Fake it until you make it" is especially hilarious as a way to get people to be what they always were.

    Of course the problem with "game" is that it can be quite callous. Sold to the ego, as it is. A mediated sense of oneness with your surroundings will be almost everything a false sense of mastery is, except thag it will be quicker, completely natural and benevolent.

    Game is to seduction what a sets of moral precepts are to nobility. A false yet temporarily helpful list of instructions for those who don't yet possess the plenitude for the real thing.

    (Plenitude is the condition of being full or complete and "be real" or "be authentic" simply means accept all parts of yourself, even those you disparage and those you cannot seem to see.)

    Replies: @AaronB, @Lowe

  62. @Audacious Epigone
    @Talha

    None of the guys on the right are punching cops, destroying buildings, lighting cars on fire, etc. There really is no comparison.

    No comparison, yet, anyway. Whether or not there will ultimately be one is the real question. Given the looming economic catastrophe of the coming stagflation, I don't see how things are going to be cooled down. It's going to be a long hot summer. Hell, it's going to be a long, hot decade.

    Replies: @Talha

    None of the guys on the right are punching cops, destroying buildings, lighting cars on fire, etc.

    I’ve seeing shoving, but yes, no doubt that the right is not much into anarchy-style rioting.

    It’s going to be a long hot summer.

    It may well rival those of the 60’s and 70’s.

    Peace.

  63. @Wency
    @Jay Fink


    Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics.
     
    If people had a clue, we probably wouldn't be in the situation we're in. Even the manosphere seems to have a lot of guys who don't have a clue, mainly in expectations for picking up a marriageable 25 year old when they're 40.

    I think the good men are taken up much faster than the good women, honestly. Running in Christian circles, I know a lot of single women who really have their lives together. I personally know zero guys like this, in or out of Christian circles. The last of my high school buddies who had anything at all going for them were locked down by 32 or so. All that's left are the NEETs who play video games in their parents' basements all day.

    I know a gorgeous girl, part of wife's extended family. 10/10 wife material, mid-late 20s, just looking for a single Christian guy who has his life together. Can't find one.

    Replies: @Lowe, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Jokah Macpherson

    Unz’s own Daniel Williams is looking for a partner. Warning, he’s “had his fun” and is “looking to settle down”, though.

    In all seriousness though, I agree. Alot of men are losers with no career these days. Alot of men are also losers without the ability to hold a relationship.

  64. @anon
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    Just approach one of the girls in the steno pool (ideally, one with big knockers) and ask her if she wants to paint the town red.

    Sure, take her to the sock hop or the double feature at the drive-in. Then stop off at the malt shop.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki

    take her to the sock hop or the double feature at the drive-in.

    Oddly, the double-feature at the drive-in is still very much a thing (drive-in theaters are not popular anymore…but I think most areas still have one). Other than for the very occasional one-off screening, I don’t think I’ve seen a double-feature at a regular cinema since the Clinton administration.

  65. @Talha
    @iffen

    Correct, this is usually what happens in other countries as well (a lot more) when people feel they have been preyed on by the police or the legal system has not been fair to them - they go outside the law to force its hand. Nothing new here.

    I don’t know why this is that strange to be honest for a guy your age. A lot more of this stuff happened in the 60s and 70s.

    I’m an immigrant, but I know enough about American history to know that there were even a few gay riots in San Francisco where police were being chased down by mobs and cop cars trashed. Stonewall is a famous one and this one too:
    “ On May 21, 1979, in an effort to voice their anger towards the unfair sentence of Dan White after killing Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk for their support in the gay community, the gay community along with supporters march and riot in the White Night Riot, ending with many arrests and looting... Again and again over the next two hours, cops retreated under mob pressure. Sixteen squad cars were captured and torched, hundreds of windows in surrounding governmental and financial buildings were broken.”
    http://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=White_Night_Riot:_May_21,_1979

    This has been going on in Paris for a while:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_ZE6AZ3uo

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @RSDB

    I don’t know why this is that strange to be honest for a guy your age.

    I’m not sure how you got strange out of my comment.

    I was in DC in 1968 during the Martin Looter King riots.

    Soul Brother spray painted on the front of businesses didn’t work then either.

  66. @Talha
    @dfordoom


    To the American Right cops can do no wrong.
     
    Except when it comes to their rights being infringed upon.

    This lockdown has been quite instructive to be honest. I’ve seen videos of of right-wing citizens (mostly whites) getting in the faces of police officers and scream at them (no masks by the way, since you hear the interviews and these guys say it is all a hoax) for enforcing the lockdown and taking away their rights. You can usually tell since antifa types don’t carry US flags.

    I seem to see selective self-serving hypocrisy on both sides. People seem to like the police enforcing their side of things.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @iffen

    People seem to like the police enforcing their side of things.

    Duh!

    • LOL: Talha
  67. @Talha
    @iffen

    Correct, this is usually what happens in other countries as well (a lot more) when people feel they have been preyed on by the police or the legal system has not been fair to them - they go outside the law to force its hand. Nothing new here.

    I don’t know why this is that strange to be honest for a guy your age. A lot more of this stuff happened in the 60s and 70s.

    I’m an immigrant, but I know enough about American history to know that there were even a few gay riots in San Francisco where police were being chased down by mobs and cop cars trashed. Stonewall is a famous one and this one too:
    “ On May 21, 1979, in an effort to voice their anger towards the unfair sentence of Dan White after killing Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk for their support in the gay community, the gay community along with supporters march and riot in the White Night Riot, ending with many arrests and looting... Again and again over the next two hours, cops retreated under mob pressure. Sixteen squad cars were captured and torched, hundreds of windows in surrounding governmental and financial buildings were broken.”
    http://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=White_Night_Riot:_May_21,_1979

    This has been going on in Paris for a while:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_ZE6AZ3uo

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @RSDB

    [MORE]

    On May 21, 1979, in an effort to voice their anger towards the unfair sentence of Dan White after killing Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk for their support in the gay community

    This is a good comment but I would like to note that the section I highlighted is a rather tendentious reading on these peoples’ part. Dan White was angry with the SF city leadership because they wouldn’t reappoint him to the Board of Supervisors; after he killed Moscone and Milk he was found guilty of manslaughter rather than premeditated murder because the jury thought his depression rendered him incapable of the presence of mind necessary for premeditation.

    I don’t think the Twinkie Defense would have gotten him off so lightly anywhere except San Francisco, so it’s somewhat ironic San Franciscans were so incensed about it.

    An interesting read: https://www.sfweekly.com/news/dan-whites-motive-more-about-betrayal-than-homophobia/

    • Thanks: Talha
  68. @Yahya K.
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    What's the psychological force here?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Achmed E. Newman, @dfordoom, @iffen

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    I’m not addicted. I can quit anytime I want to. Besides, even if I am addicted, I’m not harming anyone other than myself.

    • LOL: Yahya K.
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @iffen


    I’m not addicted. I can quit anytime I want to. Besides, even if I am addicted, I’m not harming anyone other than myself.
     
    Commenting on Unz is a victimless crime. Unz commenting addicts deserve to be treated with sympathy and understanding. Many ultimately recover and go on to lead useful normal lives.
    , @Talha
    @iffen

    Watch it! You'll go blind!

    Peace.

  69. @Buzz Mohawk
    Don't, um, "Singles Who Feel Worse" make themselves feel better by posting long-winded arguments in blogs and comment sections, thus proving how smart they think they are, and how worthy of a mate?

    The net is just a new jungle, with species finding their niches. They feel good where they rule; we feel good where we rule. That way, everything reaches equilibrium in God's Universe.

    Replies: @Jokah Macpherson

    We’ve shifted to well-crafted, concise arguments, but otherwise your point is valid.

  70. @Wency
    @Jay Fink


    Most everyone gives general advice and has no clue whatsoever about sexual marketplace dynamics.
     
    If people had a clue, we probably wouldn't be in the situation we're in. Even the manosphere seems to have a lot of guys who don't have a clue, mainly in expectations for picking up a marriageable 25 year old when they're 40.

    I think the good men are taken up much faster than the good women, honestly. Running in Christian circles, I know a lot of single women who really have their lives together. I personally know zero guys like this, in or out of Christian circles. The last of my high school buddies who had anything at all going for them were locked down by 32 or so. All that's left are the NEETs who play video games in their parents' basements all day.

    I know a gorgeous girl, part of wife's extended family. 10/10 wife material, mid-late 20s, just looking for a single Christian guy who has his life together. Can't find one.

    Replies: @Lowe, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Jokah Macpherson

    I know a gorgeous girl, part of wife’s extended family. 10/10 wife material, mid-late 20s, just looking for a single Christian guy who has his life together. Can’t find one.

    Maybe she should lay off the video games, move out of her parents’ house, and get a job.

  71. If getting off the harvesting platforms is too much to ask, consider a little self-deprecation now and then. You’ll make someone’s day.

    Out of all the commenters on the Unz site, I am by far the least interesting in my comments. But that is nothing compared to the mess that makes up my personal life. My slovenly clothing is overshadowed by my disgusting physical appearance, especially my freakishly short arms (see comment history). It would probably do me some good to get out and mingle with other people but that would just be an imposition on their own fleeting moments of happiness. I fortunately have no job; at least employers are smart enough to see through my charade. Hah! Whom am I kidding? I’m not motivated enough to apply for jobs in the first place. Finally, I had a bad migraine all day today, but there’s no reason why tomorrow can’t be much, much worse!

    Everyone feel better now 😉

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  72. @iffen
    @Yahya K.

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    I'm not addicted. I can quit anytime I want to. Besides, even if I am addicted, I'm not harming anyone other than myself.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha

    I’m not addicted. I can quit anytime I want to. Besides, even if I am addicted, I’m not harming anyone other than myself.

    Commenting on Unz is a victimless crime. Unz commenting addicts deserve to be treated with sympathy and understanding. Many ultimately recover and go on to lead useful normal lives.

  73. @iffen
    @Yahya K.

    Does anyone know *why* commenting on Unz is addicting?

    I'm not addicted. I can quit anytime I want to. Besides, even if I am addicted, I'm not harming anyone other than myself.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha

    Watch it! You’ll go blind!

    Peace.

  74. UK says:
    @Lowe
    @UK

    Honestly, I'm just telling you what game is. It's not being real, genuine, or whatever other motivational poster stuff.

    It's pretending you are much more socially competent than your background would indicate, by copying other men who publish advice on the subject. You pretend and copy until that false image becomes reality, in some sense.

    This is literally what game guys say they are doing. Fake it till you make it, etc. Being yourself, being real or natural, is bad advice to give to socially maladjusted men, which is why game practitioners don't generally give that advice.

    Replies: @UK

    We’re very close to saying the same thing, despite being in apparent inverse to each other.

    Paradoxes are fun!

    Mine is just the same advice but more accurately formulated. You don’t get it now (clearly), but one day you might. I really hope so, as it’ll be a very nice moment for you.

    You can pretend to give zero f*cks, or you can actually value yourself and your own sense of feeling/temperament more than you value principles/being a good person/what you think your image is in the eyes of others.

    They’ll come very close to amounting to the same thing, even as the latter will be much more authentic and also benevolent as well.

    You see a beautiful girl, you are complex in your response. You want to talk to her, so you of course you follow your temperament and do.

    On your way, you are also anxious and fearful. You welcome those feelings as they are you. They are the energy, once accepted, and allowed to flow, that will make others correctly perceive you as magnetic.

    If this sounds like dumb Hallmark card wishful thinking to you then you simply don’t get it. It is actually extremely sophisticated psychology well-grounded in academic theory, literature and much of human spirituality.

    The problem is that communicating it to people who haven’t experienced it is almost impossible. They are either immature and have no strength to look inwardly, or their ego is strong and won’t let them. In the former case, it is cruel to talk about this stuff – it is going to set them off horribly. In the latter case, they’ll listen but create all manner of defensive rationalisations as to why this quite simple thing is not worth an experiment. They’ll probably also end up offended.

    This is why “Game” is quite interesting. Whether its propagators understand it or not, it amounts to advice to be you, as is properly understood, but it couches such advice in sales patter designed to appeal to the defensive young modern male ego.

    “Fake it until you make it” is especially hilarious as a way to get people to be what they always were.

    Of course the problem with “game” is that it can be quite callous. Sold to the ego, as it is. A mediated sense of oneness with your surroundings will be almost everything a false sense of mastery is, except thag it will be quicker, completely natural and benevolent.

    Game is to seduction what a sets of moral precepts are to nobility. A false yet temporarily helpful list of instructions for those who don’t yet possess the plenitude for the real thing.

    (Plenitude is the condition of being full or complete and “be real” or “be authentic” simply means accept all parts of yourself, even those you disparage and those you cannot seem to see.)

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @UK

    A truly excellent comment, that sadly few will understand.

    , @Lowe
    @UK

    Everything you have written is from a woman's point of view. Women don't want men who fake it till they make it, and they don't like the idea that is even possible.

    They want you to be the "real" you, not to do things for other people's sake, etc. They want you to "just get it" on your own, w/o help from anyone else. So they can filter out false signal more easily.

    Telling men that they need to be more confident, or more true to themselves, or whatever other intangible crap, is all just blue pill sabotage.

    Replies: @Talha

  75. @UK
    @Lowe

    We're very close to saying the same thing, despite being in apparent inverse to each other.

    Paradoxes are fun!

    Mine is just the same advice but more accurately formulated. You don't get it now (clearly), but one day you might. I really hope so, as it'll be a very nice moment for you.

    You can pretend to give zero f*cks, or you can actually value yourself and your own sense of feeling/temperament more than you value principles/being a good person/what you think your image is in the eyes of others.

    They'll come very close to amounting to the same thing, even as the latter will be much more authentic and also benevolent as well.

    You see a beautiful girl, you are complex in your response. You want to talk to her, so you of course you follow your temperament and do.

    On your way, you are also anxious and fearful. You welcome those feelings as they are you. They are the energy, once accepted, and allowed to flow, that will make others correctly perceive you as magnetic.

    If this sounds like dumb Hallmark card wishful thinking to you then you simply don't get it. It is actually extremely sophisticated psychology well-grounded in academic theory, literature and much of human spirituality.

    The problem is that communicating it to people who haven't experienced it is almost impossible. They are either immature and have no strength to look inwardly, or their ego is strong and won't let them. In the former case, it is cruel to talk about this stuff - it is going to set them off horribly. In the latter case, they'll listen but create all manner of defensive rationalisations as to why this quite simple thing is not worth an experiment. They'll probably also end up offended.

    This is why "Game" is quite interesting. Whether its propagators understand it or not, it amounts to advice to be you, as is properly understood, but it couches such advice in sales patter designed to appeal to the defensive young modern male ego.

    "Fake it until you make it" is especially hilarious as a way to get people to be what they always were.

    Of course the problem with "game" is that it can be quite callous. Sold to the ego, as it is. A mediated sense of oneness with your surroundings will be almost everything a false sense of mastery is, except thag it will be quicker, completely natural and benevolent.

    Game is to seduction what a sets of moral precepts are to nobility. A false yet temporarily helpful list of instructions for those who don't yet possess the plenitude for the real thing.

    (Plenitude is the condition of being full or complete and "be real" or "be authentic" simply means accept all parts of yourself, even those you disparage and those you cannot seem to see.)

    Replies: @AaronB, @Lowe

    A truly excellent comment, that sadly few will understand.

  76. Lowe says:
    @UK
    @Lowe

    We're very close to saying the same thing, despite being in apparent inverse to each other.

    Paradoxes are fun!

    Mine is just the same advice but more accurately formulated. You don't get it now (clearly), but one day you might. I really hope so, as it'll be a very nice moment for you.

    You can pretend to give zero f*cks, or you can actually value yourself and your own sense of feeling/temperament more than you value principles/being a good person/what you think your image is in the eyes of others.

    They'll come very close to amounting to the same thing, even as the latter will be much more authentic and also benevolent as well.

    You see a beautiful girl, you are complex in your response. You want to talk to her, so you of course you follow your temperament and do.

    On your way, you are also anxious and fearful. You welcome those feelings as they are you. They are the energy, once accepted, and allowed to flow, that will make others correctly perceive you as magnetic.

    If this sounds like dumb Hallmark card wishful thinking to you then you simply don't get it. It is actually extremely sophisticated psychology well-grounded in academic theory, literature and much of human spirituality.

    The problem is that communicating it to people who haven't experienced it is almost impossible. They are either immature and have no strength to look inwardly, or their ego is strong and won't let them. In the former case, it is cruel to talk about this stuff - it is going to set them off horribly. In the latter case, they'll listen but create all manner of defensive rationalisations as to why this quite simple thing is not worth an experiment. They'll probably also end up offended.

    This is why "Game" is quite interesting. Whether its propagators understand it or not, it amounts to advice to be you, as is properly understood, but it couches such advice in sales patter designed to appeal to the defensive young modern male ego.

    "Fake it until you make it" is especially hilarious as a way to get people to be what they always were.

    Of course the problem with "game" is that it can be quite callous. Sold to the ego, as it is. A mediated sense of oneness with your surroundings will be almost everything a false sense of mastery is, except thag it will be quicker, completely natural and benevolent.

    Game is to seduction what a sets of moral precepts are to nobility. A false yet temporarily helpful list of instructions for those who don't yet possess the plenitude for the real thing.

    (Plenitude is the condition of being full or complete and "be real" or "be authentic" simply means accept all parts of yourself, even those you disparage and those you cannot seem to see.)

    Replies: @AaronB, @Lowe

    Everything you have written is from a woman’s point of view. Women don’t want men who fake it till they make it, and they don’t like the idea that is even possible.

    They want you to be the “real” you, not to do things for other people’s sake, etc. They want you to “just get it” on your own, w/o help from anyone else. So they can filter out false signal more easily.

    Telling men that they need to be more confident, or more true to themselves, or whatever other intangible crap, is all just blue pill sabotage.

    • LOL: UK
    • Replies: @Talha
    @Lowe

    People will finally take the actual red pill (rather than the red tic tac) when they understand that mate selection should not be left solely in the hands of women in the first place, but rather it should be a negotiated three-way agreement between the woman, her male guardian (that is looking out for her best interests) and the perspective suitor. Access to females in a traditional society (practically everyone before some point in the 20th century) has ALWAYS been a negotiation primarily by males, with female input/consent or - at bare minimum - with the male guardian being the gate-keeper as the final stamp of authority/approval (with the legal system stepping in only in extreme circumstances).

    Allowing females full legal authority to publicly transact mate selection on their own without male guardianship/supervision is one of the most devastating things Western society has done to itself.

    The sexual meat market will continue to fail, simply in different paradigms as new variables are introduced to it (like technology).

    Peace.

    Replies: @Talha

  77. @Lowe
    @UK

    Everything you have written is from a woman's point of view. Women don't want men who fake it till they make it, and they don't like the idea that is even possible.

    They want you to be the "real" you, not to do things for other people's sake, etc. They want you to "just get it" on your own, w/o help from anyone else. So they can filter out false signal more easily.

    Telling men that they need to be more confident, or more true to themselves, or whatever other intangible crap, is all just blue pill sabotage.

    Replies: @Talha

    People will finally take the actual red pill (rather than the red tic tac) when they understand that mate selection should not be left solely in the hands of women in the first place, but rather it should be a negotiated three-way agreement between the woman, her male guardian (that is looking out for her best interests) and the perspective suitor. Access to females in a traditional society (practically everyone before some point in the 20th century) has ALWAYS been a negotiation primarily by males, with female input/consent or – at bare minimum – with the male guardian being the gate-keeper as the final stamp of authority/approval (with the legal system stepping in only in extreme circumstances).

    Allowing females full legal authority to publicly transact mate selection on their own without male guardianship/supervision is one of the most devastating things Western society has done to itself.

    The sexual meat market will continue to fail, simply in different paradigms as new variables are introduced to it (like technology).

    Peace.

    • Disagree: UK, iffen
    • Replies: @Talha
    @Talha

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/371/240/234.png

    Replies: @RSDB

  78. @Talha
    @Lowe

    People will finally take the actual red pill (rather than the red tic tac) when they understand that mate selection should not be left solely in the hands of women in the first place, but rather it should be a negotiated three-way agreement between the woman, her male guardian (that is looking out for her best interests) and the perspective suitor. Access to females in a traditional society (practically everyone before some point in the 20th century) has ALWAYS been a negotiation primarily by males, with female input/consent or - at bare minimum - with the male guardian being the gate-keeper as the final stamp of authority/approval (with the legal system stepping in only in extreme circumstances).

    Allowing females full legal authority to publicly transact mate selection on their own without male guardianship/supervision is one of the most devastating things Western society has done to itself.

    The sexual meat market will continue to fail, simply in different paradigms as new variables are introduced to it (like technology).

    Peace.

    Replies: @Talha

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @Talha

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwtHpt-ZBbs

  79. @Talha
    @Talha

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/371/240/234.png

    Replies: @RSDB

    • LOL: Talha

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