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[Edit: There was initially an error in the data showing the white-black difference in perceived net harmony on account of my sloppiness. I sincerely apologize for the error and have corrected it. Thanks to FKA Max for catching it.]

The graph below was created using data from a recent Pew Research report entitled Race in America 2019. Pew asked respondents how each of the four largest Census-designated demographic groups in the US are perceived to get along with members of each of the others.

‘Net harmony’ is calculated by taking the percentage of respondents who say the two groups in question get along either “very well” or “pretty well” and subtracting from it the percentages who say the two groups in question get along “not too well” or “not well at all”. The graph shows the magnitude of differences in perceived net harmony for each demographic pairing. The group listed at the top of the bar (and colored on the left half of it) is the group of the two under consideration that expresses a higher level of perceived net harmony while the group listed at the bottom of the bar (and colored along the right half of it) along the x-axis is the group that expresses lower perceived net harmony. Thus the first bar shows that whites perceive relations between whites and blacks to be much better than blacks perceive relations between whites and black to be, etc:

Tabular:

Positive Diff Negative
White 32 Black
White 32 Hispanic
Black 28 Hispanic
Black 20 Asian
White 12 Asian
Hispanic 6 Asian

For all three pairings whites are involved in, whites show up at the top of the bars. In other words, whites perceive intergroup relations between themselves and others to be better than said others do across the board. The opposite is the case for Asians, who perceive intergroup relations between themselves and others to be worse than said others do. Everyone loves Asians and loves to hate whites!

 
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  1. Life expectancy for whites is falling, so it would be interesting to know how those perceptions by minorities factor into that dismal statistic. Whites are expected to suppress any biases in their interaction with other skin-pigmentation groups, not so much with other groups, including in professional settings.

  2. One thing to note (from the Pew data) is that Asians are pretty polarized within themselves. Filipinos are quite sunny about interracial relations in America and Koreans are the opposite (which is usually attributed to their conflict with blacks).

    On a personal note, my parents were classic Asians – they always thought people of other races thought worse of Asians than they actually did. I think that’s actually common among East Asians. I wonder how much of that has less to do with actual relations, but more with greater tendency toward pessimism among Asians.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    @Twinkie

    The term 'asian' is unfortunate, as there are far too many divergent groups contained with its ambit. Pakistanis and Japanese are light years away on just about every variable you can name. It's pretty much worthless.

    I had a Korean hairdresser come out and express her disdain for Thai people, which I found interesting. She said that they had 'bred with Indians and other dark people', and 'were no longer oriental'. Yet we lump these groups together.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  3. O/T

    Triple Parentheses

  4. @Twinkie
    One thing to note (from the Pew data) is that Asians are pretty polarized within themselves. Filipinos are quite sunny about interracial relations in America and Koreans are the opposite (which is usually attributed to their conflict with blacks).

    On a personal note, my parents were classic Asians - they always thought people of other races thought worse of Asians than they actually did. I think that’s actually common among East Asians. I wonder how much of that has less to do with actual relations, but more with greater tendency toward pessimism among Asians.

    Replies: @jbwilson24

    The term ‘asian’ is unfortunate, as there are far too many divergent groups contained with its ambit. Pakistanis and Japanese are light years away on just about every variable you can name. It’s pretty much worthless.

    I had a Korean hairdresser come out and express her disdain for Thai people, which I found interesting. She said that they had ‘bred with Indians and other dark people’, and ‘were no longer oriental’. Yet we lump these groups together.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @jbwilson24

    Indeed--over half the world's population!

  5. O/T

    In this age of tokens and diversity hires by governemnt agencies, it is comforting to know that the VA still has doctors that are competent enough to make the correct adjustments to the medication levels for their patients.

  6. @jbwilson24
    @Twinkie

    The term 'asian' is unfortunate, as there are far too many divergent groups contained with its ambit. Pakistanis and Japanese are light years away on just about every variable you can name. It's pretty much worthless.

    I had a Korean hairdresser come out and express her disdain for Thai people, which I found interesting. She said that they had 'bred with Indians and other dark people', and 'were no longer oriental'. Yet we lump these groups together.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Indeed–over half the world’s population!

  7. White liberals/Boomers perceive themselves as the saviours of the poor brown and black races in America- of course they are loved! The blacks and Hispanics will be forever grateful to the gracious goodwhites who are standing up against the mean and racist backwoods hicks.

    I suspect that the disparity comes from that. These liberals are often women and feminine men, who are poor at assessing themselves critically. Conservatives are probably right on, and the alt-right can be overly negative. I can have negative thoughts about all non-whites, how they hate my people, and then have neutral to positive interactions with them throughout the day.

    It’s why it’s important to always be checking our positions, making sure that we’re not too out of step with reality. The consequences of that are clear; look at what the idealist white liberals and boomers are doing to the country.

  8. We really need to distinguish between the Asians. Seriously. South Asians are included as part of them, and Asians are not monolithic in their views, or their behaviour. When are you guys adding a “South Asian” section? We have that in Canada. Please

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    What part of Toronto do you live in?

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    , @songbird
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The BBC used to have a South Asian section, but they oddly eliminated it - I assume for political reasons.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    In an American context, boomers and older still tend to mostly think of "Asian" as "east Asian". South Asians are increasingly where Asian immigration into the US is coming from now, though. We do need an update (or better yet, a moratorium).

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  9. That is one of the most confusing charts I’ve ever seen. Surely this can be done better. Or lose the chart.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Muggles

    And just provide a table instead? I'll leave the graph and add a table soon.

    Replies: @res

  10. • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Anon

    One, lol. Two, explain why this is not spam.

    Replies: @Anon

  11. @BengaliCanadianDude
    We really need to distinguish between the Asians. Seriously. South Asians are included as part of them, and Asians are not monolithic in their views, or their behaviour. When are you guys adding a "South Asian" section? We have that in Canada. Please

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @songbird, @Audacious Epigone

    What part of Toronto do you live in?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Not Today, CIA

    Nice attempt at Obscurity, department of homeland security

    Nice try FBI...

  12. @BengaliCanadianDude
    We really need to distinguish between the Asians. Seriously. South Asians are included as part of them, and Asians are not monolithic in their views, or their behaviour. When are you guys adding a "South Asian" section? We have that in Canada. Please

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @songbird, @Audacious Epigone

    The BBC used to have a South Asian section, but they oddly eliminated it – I assume for political reasons.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @songbird

    No they didnt. Asian has always been used to denote people from the Subcontinent, as there has never been a substantial presence of Koreans or other NE Asians in that country, and because of colonial history and all of that, so it is an easier identifier. Chinese is its own category, and Asian others usually encompass the aforementioned NE Asians and other SE Asians. It is well known that "Asian" there refers to South Asians. Like it is a standard. You're wrong

    Replies: @songbird

  13. 216 says:

    https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1126510090767351809

    Counter-signal

    Attacking journalists doesn’t work, unless you catch them in an egregious ethics violation, and even then they often survive. They have a strong cultural cachet as “scrappy underdogs speaking truth to power”. While we know it isn’t true, I don’t see how exactly we can get around this.

    The target is

    And the high-level media executives that “push division for profit”

    If Trump wants to go after the press, target #1 is Rupert Murdoch.

  14. Divide by zero

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @216

    He made the decision after having woken up in the daytime. Direct evidence that he is taking his marching orders from Ra, the Sun God.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @216

    Chunk Yogurt.

  15. Asian-American economic performance is *so* high in variance that to simply state that ‘Asians do well economically’ is to state nothing.

    The intra-Asian variance is immense :

    Only a few specific groups outperform whites. Certainly not all Asian groups.

    It is not a ‘fancy’ vs. ‘jungle’ thing either, since there is huge variance even within East Asians, Southeast Asians, and South Asians. There is no HBD or IQ pattern evident from this data alone.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Thomm

    Yet I suspect their crime rates are less divergent. Almost as if SES as an explanation for criminality is severely lacking in, well, explanatory power.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @EastKekistani

    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Thomm

    And the chart itself is inaccurate, the numbers are off for some groups.



    It also does not take into account real estate prices in a certain area, wages in a certain area, size of households, how many people are working, where they live, etc. You know? It's just a number. You have to analyze it with these things. Wages vary on region, and ofcourse the pure number would be high in San Jose or San Fran or Dallas compared to Des Moines or Boise. Housing prices in NYC varies compared to other regions.

    , @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    It is not a ‘fancy’ vs. ‘jungle’ thing either, since there is huge variance even within East Asians, Southeast Asians, and South Asians. There is no HBD or IQ pattern evident from this data alone.
     
    That chart has some methodological issues to say the least. For starters, it is median household income. So at first glance, it appears that Filipinos are ahead of, say, Koreans. But Filipinos have higher number of people per family on average than Koreans and when you compare per capita, they drop below Koreans.

    However, none of these issues takes away from the fact that Indian immigration is highly selected and the result shows (economically), which, however, is quite damning in another way when one considers that Indians have the lowest assimilation index among major Asian immigrant groups and are on par with the much poorer and English-challenged Hispanic migrants.

    This is the classic alien overlords in the making.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @EastKekistani
    @Thomm

    There is of course variance within NE Asians. However it is clear that except for heavily selected Filipinos SEAs in America are just who they are.

    Fun fact: The Philippines is a land full of murder.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

  16. @songbird
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The BBC used to have a South Asian section, but they oddly eliminated it - I assume for political reasons.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    No they didnt. Asian has always been used to denote people from the Subcontinent, as there has never been a substantial presence of Koreans or other NE Asians in that country, and because of colonial history and all of that, so it is an easier identifier. Chinese is its own category, and Asian others usually encompass the aforementioned NE Asians and other SE Asians. It is well known that “Asian” there refers to South Asians. Like it is a standard. You’re wrong

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @songbird
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    No they didnt... You’re wrong
     
    Sorry, I guess you are either senile or too young to remember - I hope the latter. They had a separate section "South Asia" for several years. The other was "East Asia." They rolled it into one "Asia" section, several years ago, which was quite an odd choice - certainly not for reading convenience. Maybe, they were cutting costs? I don't know - they have certainly been in decline.

    BTW, I am well aware of the nonsensical habit of the British to refer to subcons as "Asians" That is a separate issue than the fact that they had separate news sections. Obviously, British lingo should normalize to the American standard of using "Asian" as being shorthand for NE Asians, both because America is a more important country and NE Asia is a more important region, not to mention the fact that it is actually half-useful as a category.

    It would actually be more appropriate to call all of South Asia "Greater India" or the "subcontinent." This in turn would help separate them from SE Asians, who are really their own separate category.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  17. @BengaliCanadianDude
    We really need to distinguish between the Asians. Seriously. South Asians are included as part of them, and Asians are not monolithic in their views, or their behaviour. When are you guys adding a "South Asian" section? We have that in Canada. Please

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @songbird, @Audacious Epigone

    In an American context, boomers and older still tend to mostly think of “Asian” as “east Asian”. South Asians are increasingly where Asian immigration into the US is coming from now, though. We do need an update (or better yet, a moratorium).

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Audacious Epigone


    (or better yet, a moratorium)
     
    On immigration, or the usage of the term? LOL

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  18. @Muggles
    That is one of the most confusing charts I've ever seen. Surely this can be done better. Or lose the chart.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    And just provide a table instead? I’ll leave the graph and add a table soon.

    • Replies: @res
    @Audacious Epigone

    I think it would be helpful if you can find a way to clearly convey how much of the total comes from each direction as well.

  19. @Anon
    https://twitter.com/elguapo64/status/1125920853143715840

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    One, lol. Two, explain why this is not spam.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Audacious Epigone

    Mind is a terrible thing to waste.

  20. @Thomm
    Asian-American economic performance is *so* high in variance that to simply state that 'Asians do well economically' is to state nothing.

    The intra-Asian variance is immense :

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/FT_17.09.08_asian_income.png

    Only a few specific groups outperform whites. Certainly not all Asian groups.

    It is not a 'fancy' vs. 'jungle' thing either, since there is huge variance even within East Asians, Southeast Asians, and South Asians. There is no HBD or IQ pattern evident from this data alone.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @BengaliCanadianDude, @Twinkie, @EastKekistani

    Yet I suspect their crime rates are less divergent. Almost as if SES as an explanation for criminality is severely lacking in, well, explanatory power.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Audacious Epigone

    Yep you're probably right on the crime stats. Asians as a WHOLE commit little crime. https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235217301265#!

    Read it, or skim through it. Whites and South Asians have about the same rates of crime, and the difference between them is insignificant. I'll point your attention to page four, if you please. Of course, as we all predicted, East Asians commit the least crime by a long shot.

    It's blacks, then Hispanics, then Native Indians, then Pacific Islanders, then whites, then south asians(the last two are the same), and finally the East Asians. Ranked from highest to lowest.

    Poverty is not a good explanation.

    This whole study made me giggle in happiness.


    Next is welfare.


    Us South Asians....consume very little welfare per household, and as a percentage
    https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/richwine-costs-f2.png

    Impressive, innit?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @EastKekistani, @Audacious Epigone

    , @EastKekistani
    @Audacious Epigone

    Fun fact:

    SEAs still have really high crime rates.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/debunking-myth-immigrant-criminality-imprisonment-among-first-and-second-generation-young/

  21. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    What part of Toronto do you live in?

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    Not Today, CIA

    Nice attempt at Obscurity, department of homeland security

    Nice try FBI…

  22. @Audacious Epigone
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    In an American context, boomers and older still tend to mostly think of "Asian" as "east Asian". South Asians are increasingly where Asian immigration into the US is coming from now, though. We do need an update (or better yet, a moratorium).

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    (or better yet, a moratorium)

    On immigration, or the usage of the term? LOL

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The former.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  23. @Thomm
    Asian-American economic performance is *so* high in variance that to simply state that 'Asians do well economically' is to state nothing.

    The intra-Asian variance is immense :

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/FT_17.09.08_asian_income.png

    Only a few specific groups outperform whites. Certainly not all Asian groups.

    It is not a 'fancy' vs. 'jungle' thing either, since there is huge variance even within East Asians, Southeast Asians, and South Asians. There is no HBD or IQ pattern evident from this data alone.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @BengaliCanadianDude, @Twinkie, @EastKekistani

    And the chart itself is inaccurate, the numbers are off for some groups.

    It also does not take into account real estate prices in a certain area, wages in a certain area, size of households, how many people are working, where they live, etc. You know? It’s just a number. You have to analyze it with these things. Wages vary on region, and ofcourse the pure number would be high in San Jose or San Fran or Dallas compared to Des Moines or Boise. Housing prices in NYC varies compared to other regions.

  24. @Audacious Epigone
    @Thomm

    Yet I suspect their crime rates are less divergent. Almost as if SES as an explanation for criminality is severely lacking in, well, explanatory power.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @EastKekistani

    Yep you’re probably right on the crime stats. Asians as a WHOLE commit little crime. https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235217301265#!

    Read it, or skim through it. Whites and South Asians have about the same rates of crime, and the difference between them is insignificant. I’ll point your attention to page four, if you please. Of course, as we all predicted, East Asians commit the least crime by a long shot.

    It’s blacks, then Hispanics, then Native Indians, then Pacific Islanders, then whites, then south asians(the last two are the same), and finally the East Asians. Ranked from highest to lowest.

    Poverty is not a good explanation.

    This whole study made me giggle in happiness.

    Next is welfare.

    Us South Asians….consume very little welfare per household, and as a percentage

    Impressive, innit?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    It’s blacks, then Hispanics, then Native Indians, then Pacific Islanders, then whites, then south asians(the last two are the same), and finally the East Asians. Ranked from highest to lowest.

    Poverty is not a good explanation.
     

    The South Asian crime rate is not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income and education attainment, which are negatively correlated with crime rate (esp. education).

    One thing to keep in mind is that ALL foreign-born population in America have lower incarceration rates than their American-born ethnic counterparts (but the negative “assimilation penalty multiple” varies by group). Indians have a relatively high assimilation penalty multiple - about 9 (meaning American-born Indians are incarcerated at 9 times the rate of foreign-born Indians). See the data here:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/debunking-myth-immigrant-criminality-imprisonment-among-first-and-second-generation-young/

    Look at table 1 in particular.

    Replies: @Greg21, @BengaliCanadianDude

    , @EastKekistani
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    You forgot the criminal SEAs. Hmongs, Cambodians etc..

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Uh, help me access it and I will!

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  25. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @songbird

    No they didnt. Asian has always been used to denote people from the Subcontinent, as there has never been a substantial presence of Koreans or other NE Asians in that country, and because of colonial history and all of that, so it is an easier identifier. Chinese is its own category, and Asian others usually encompass the aforementioned NE Asians and other SE Asians. It is well known that "Asian" there refers to South Asians. Like it is a standard. You're wrong

    Replies: @songbird

    No they didnt… You’re wrong

    Sorry, I guess you are either senile or too young to remember – I hope the latter. They had a separate section “South Asia” for several years. The other was “East Asia.” They rolled it into one “Asia” section, several years ago, which was quite an odd choice – certainly not for reading convenience. Maybe, they were cutting costs? I don’t know – they have certainly been in decline.

    BTW, I am well aware of the nonsensical habit of the British to refer to subcons as “Asians” That is a separate issue than the fact that they had separate news sections. Obviously, British lingo should normalize to the American standard of using “Asian” as being shorthand for NE Asians, both because America is a more important country and NE Asia is a more important region, not to mention the fact that it is actually half-useful as a category.

    It would actually be more appropriate to call all of South Asia “Greater India” or the “subcontinent.” This in turn would help separate them from SE Asians, who are really their own separate category.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @songbird

    Thecurrent system is logical. The UK is lilly white and there is a negligible amount of NE Asians and far more south asians

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  26. @Thomm
    Asian-American economic performance is *so* high in variance that to simply state that 'Asians do well economically' is to state nothing.

    The intra-Asian variance is immense :

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/FT_17.09.08_asian_income.png

    Only a few specific groups outperform whites. Certainly not all Asian groups.

    It is not a 'fancy' vs. 'jungle' thing either, since there is huge variance even within East Asians, Southeast Asians, and South Asians. There is no HBD or IQ pattern evident from this data alone.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @BengaliCanadianDude, @Twinkie, @EastKekistani

    It is not a ‘fancy’ vs. ‘jungle’ thing either, since there is huge variance even within East Asians, Southeast Asians, and South Asians. There is no HBD or IQ pattern evident from this data alone.

    That chart has some methodological issues to say the least. For starters, it is median household income. So at first glance, it appears that Filipinos are ahead of, say, Koreans. But Filipinos have higher number of people per family on average than Koreans and when you compare per capita, they drop below Koreans.

    However, none of these issues takes away from the fact that Indian immigration is highly selected and the result shows (economically), which, however, is quite damning in another way when one considers that Indians have the lowest assimilation index among major Asian immigrant groups and are on par with the much poorer and English-challenged Hispanic migrants.

    This is the classic alien overlords in the making.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Twinkie

    A contemptuous attitude borne out of some racial animus and a deep seated inferiority complex overcompensated by a pompous jeering attitude towards the blood and the soil of the US (ever notice how these verbally facile dot Indians constantly refer to those white Americans, in twitter or other social media, who are arguing for lowered legal immigration along with no illegal immigration, as uber drivers, welders, painters and the likes?]. For them, these are "low class" jobs aka the trades which they never had a high opinion of, even back home in India. Very similar to those other category of urban "merchants" who never saw tough country work during their long history

    Add to that a very high median income, extreme clannishness and ethnic nepotism which has resulted in them cornering entire industries for their ethnic brethren? So yes virginia, the east Indians are a classic case of the hostile alien overlords in the making. Similar to the Russian royalty in Kievan Rus or the present day "white" hispanics in meso-america. With absolutely no roots in the land and not a blood spent in taming it, yet they'll be having the best for themselves and their kids often at the expense of poorer "nativists" [their lingo]. It won't play out very well once a lot of these folks become visible to many otherwise normal folks.

    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??

    Replies: @EastKekistani, @Thomm

  27. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Audacious Epigone

    Yep you're probably right on the crime stats. Asians as a WHOLE commit little crime. https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235217301265#!

    Read it, or skim through it. Whites and South Asians have about the same rates of crime, and the difference between them is insignificant. I'll point your attention to page four, if you please. Of course, as we all predicted, East Asians commit the least crime by a long shot.

    It's blacks, then Hispanics, then Native Indians, then Pacific Islanders, then whites, then south asians(the last two are the same), and finally the East Asians. Ranked from highest to lowest.

    Poverty is not a good explanation.

    This whole study made me giggle in happiness.


    Next is welfare.


    Us South Asians....consume very little welfare per household, and as a percentage
    https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/richwine-costs-f2.png

    Impressive, innit?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @EastKekistani, @Audacious Epigone

    It’s blacks, then Hispanics, then Native Indians, then Pacific Islanders, then whites, then south asians(the last two are the same), and finally the East Asians. Ranked from highest to lowest.

    Poverty is not a good explanation.

    The South Asian crime rate is not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income and education attainment, which are negatively correlated with crime rate (esp. education).

    One thing to keep in mind is that ALL foreign-born population in America have lower incarceration rates than their American-born ethnic counterparts (but the negative “assimilation penalty multiple” varies by group). Indians have a relatively high assimilation penalty multiple – about 9 (meaning American-born Indians are incarcerated at 9 times the rate of foreign-born Indians). See the data here:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/debunking-myth-immigrant-criminality-imprisonment-among-first-and-second-generation-young/

    Look at table 1 in particular.

    • Replies: @Greg21
    @Twinkie

    How does that hold for white collar crime across all races?

    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Twinkie

    Ah the old income argument. The incomes are similar to that of native Americans. Read the paper I linked. Income isnt that good of a predictor

    Replies: @Twinkie

  28. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    It is not a ‘fancy’ vs. ‘jungle’ thing either, since there is huge variance even within East Asians, Southeast Asians, and South Asians. There is no HBD or IQ pattern evident from this data alone.
     
    That chart has some methodological issues to say the least. For starters, it is median household income. So at first glance, it appears that Filipinos are ahead of, say, Koreans. But Filipinos have higher number of people per family on average than Koreans and when you compare per capita, they drop below Koreans.

    However, none of these issues takes away from the fact that Indian immigration is highly selected and the result shows (economically), which, however, is quite damning in another way when one considers that Indians have the lowest assimilation index among major Asian immigrant groups and are on par with the much poorer and English-challenged Hispanic migrants.

    This is the classic alien overlords in the making.

    Replies: @Anon

    A contemptuous attitude borne out of some racial animus and a deep seated inferiority complex overcompensated by a pompous jeering attitude towards the blood and the soil of the US (ever notice how these verbally facile dot Indians constantly refer to those white Americans, in twitter or other social media, who are arguing for lowered legal immigration along with no illegal immigration, as uber drivers, welders, painters and the likes?]. For them, these are “low class” jobs aka the trades which they never had a high opinion of, even back home in India. Very similar to those other category of urban “merchants” who never saw tough country work during their long history

    Add to that a very high median income, extreme clannishness and ethnic nepotism which has resulted in them cornering entire industries for their ethnic brethren? So yes virginia, the east Indians are a classic case of the hostile alien overlords in the making. Similar to the Russian royalty in Kievan Rus or the present day “white” hispanics in meso-america. With absolutely no roots in the land and not a blood spent in taming it, yet they’ll be having the best for themselves and their kids often at the expense of poorer “nativists” [their lingo]. It won’t play out very well once a lot of these folks become visible to many otherwise normal folks.

    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    @Anon


    A contemptuous attitude borne out of some racial animus and a deep seated inferiority complex overcompensated by a pompous jeering attitude towards the blood and the soil of the US (ever notice how these verbally facile dot Indians constantly refer to those white Americans, in twitter or other social media, who are arguing for lowered legal immigration along with no illegal immigration, as uber drivers, welders, painters and the likes?]. For them, these are “low class” jobs aka the trades which they never had a high opinion of, even back home in India. Very similar to those other category of urban “merchants” who never saw tough country work during their long history
     
    You should look into the caste system in India. Indian immigrants and students in America are predominantly upper caste. The Indians I personally know are almost exclusively Brahmin. In India your caste determines or at least used to determine your profession. It is likely that manual laborers are predominantly lower caste in India. Since caste is hereditary and intercaste marriages are extremely rare it is likely that a certain upper caste Indian dude does not personally know even one manual laborer, hence he can not empathize with him at all.

    not a blood spent in taming it
     
    Unfortunately you are right. What you essentially said is that murder is a prerequisite for keeping wealth or even survival. This is why SEAs, Africans, Pacific Islanders and Latin Americans murder NE Asian people with impunity, namely we don't kill them, let alone kill them impulsively for lulz. Sometimes I really wish that the world were less malevolent. After all I'm not someone who will personally murder anyone. I'm too nice for that.

    We need to strengthen institutions so that we can at least alleviate this aspect of the universe among humans globally.


    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??
     
    Probably. That's what I would have done if I were in their position.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Audacious Epigone

    , @Thomm
    @Anon


    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??
     
    Possibly.

    But it may not work. Intermarriage between 2nd gen Indians and Jews is pretty high in America.

    Plus, we don't have any data on 2nd gen assimilation rates yet. That is what matters. The first gen does not matter, assimilation-wise, in the end, since they arrive as adults anyway and are thus a temporary factor. That is why the oldest (i.e. longest present) Asian groups in America, Japanese and Filipinos, are the most assimilated.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

  29. Also which race has a higher share of high IQ pschopaths relative to population?

  30. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Audacious Epigone

    Yep you're probably right on the crime stats. Asians as a WHOLE commit little crime. https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235217301265#!

    Read it, or skim through it. Whites and South Asians have about the same rates of crime, and the difference between them is insignificant. I'll point your attention to page four, if you please. Of course, as we all predicted, East Asians commit the least crime by a long shot.

    It's blacks, then Hispanics, then Native Indians, then Pacific Islanders, then whites, then south asians(the last two are the same), and finally the East Asians. Ranked from highest to lowest.

    Poverty is not a good explanation.

    This whole study made me giggle in happiness.


    Next is welfare.


    Us South Asians....consume very little welfare per household, and as a percentage
    https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/richwine-costs-f2.png

    Impressive, innit?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @EastKekistani, @Audacious Epigone

    You forgot the criminal SEAs. Hmongs, Cambodians etc..

  31. @Thomm
    Asian-American economic performance is *so* high in variance that to simply state that 'Asians do well economically' is to state nothing.

    The intra-Asian variance is immense :

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/FT_17.09.08_asian_income.png

    Only a few specific groups outperform whites. Certainly not all Asian groups.

    It is not a 'fancy' vs. 'jungle' thing either, since there is huge variance even within East Asians, Southeast Asians, and South Asians. There is no HBD or IQ pattern evident from this data alone.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @BengaliCanadianDude, @Twinkie, @EastKekistani

    There is of course variance within NE Asians. However it is clear that except for heavily selected Filipinos SEAs in America are just who they are.

    Fun fact: The Philippines is a land full of murder.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

  32. @Audacious Epigone
    @Thomm

    Yet I suspect their crime rates are less divergent. Almost as if SES as an explanation for criminality is severely lacking in, well, explanatory power.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @EastKekistani

  33. @216
    https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1126351043619577856

    Divide by zero

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @SunBakedSuburb

    He made the decision after having woken up in the daytime. Direct evidence that he is taking his marching orders from Ra, the Sun God.

  34. @Anon
    @Twinkie

    A contemptuous attitude borne out of some racial animus and a deep seated inferiority complex overcompensated by a pompous jeering attitude towards the blood and the soil of the US (ever notice how these verbally facile dot Indians constantly refer to those white Americans, in twitter or other social media, who are arguing for lowered legal immigration along with no illegal immigration, as uber drivers, welders, painters and the likes?]. For them, these are "low class" jobs aka the trades which they never had a high opinion of, even back home in India. Very similar to those other category of urban "merchants" who never saw tough country work during their long history

    Add to that a very high median income, extreme clannishness and ethnic nepotism which has resulted in them cornering entire industries for their ethnic brethren? So yes virginia, the east Indians are a classic case of the hostile alien overlords in the making. Similar to the Russian royalty in Kievan Rus or the present day "white" hispanics in meso-america. With absolutely no roots in the land and not a blood spent in taming it, yet they'll be having the best for themselves and their kids often at the expense of poorer "nativists" [their lingo]. It won't play out very well once a lot of these folks become visible to many otherwise normal folks.

    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??

    Replies: @EastKekistani, @Thomm

    A contemptuous attitude borne out of some racial animus and a deep seated inferiority complex overcompensated by a pompous jeering attitude towards the blood and the soil of the US (ever notice how these verbally facile dot Indians constantly refer to those white Americans, in twitter or other social media, who are arguing for lowered legal immigration along with no illegal immigration, as uber drivers, welders, painters and the likes?]. For them, these are “low class” jobs aka the trades which they never had a high opinion of, even back home in India. Very similar to those other category of urban “merchants” who never saw tough country work during their long history

    You should look into the caste system in India. Indian immigrants and students in America are predominantly upper caste. The Indians I personally know are almost exclusively Brahmin. In India your caste determines or at least used to determine your profession. It is likely that manual laborers are predominantly lower caste in India. Since caste is hereditary and intercaste marriages are extremely rare it is likely that a certain upper caste Indian dude does not personally know even one manual laborer, hence he can not empathize with him at all.

    not a blood spent in taming it

    Unfortunately you are right. What you essentially said is that murder is a prerequisite for keeping wealth or even survival. This is why SEAs, Africans, Pacific Islanders and Latin Americans murder NE Asian people with impunity, namely we don’t kill them, let alone kill them impulsively for lulz. Sometimes I really wish that the world were less malevolent. After all I’m not someone who will personally murder anyone. I’m too nice for that.

    We need to strengthen institutions so that we can at least alleviate this aspect of the universe among humans globally.

    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??

    Probably. That’s what I would have done if I were in their position.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @EastKekistani


    Indian immigrants and students in America are predominantly upper caste. The Indians I personally know are almost exclusively Brahmin.
     
    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no 'caste').

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Americans#Religion

    These oversimplified explanations which are popular among pseudointellectuals in these parts tend to have no basis in reality.

    Plus, the wealthy ones are the ones that own entire hotel chains and multiple gas stations. Those are not the high-IQ STEM ones.

    Replies: @EastKekistani, @BengaliCanadianDude, @Twinkie

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @EastKekistani

    Or they could continue to assimilate--literally genetically assimilate--into the white gentile population. Outside of the 'far right' and the 'far left'--at most maybe 20% of the total white population in the US, and probably closer to 10%--Jews don't have much salience as Jews to white gentiles unless they wear it on their sleeves (or heads) like Ben Shapiro does.

  35. @Audacious Epigone
    @Anon

    One, lol. Two, explain why this is not spam.

    Replies: @Anon

    Mind is a terrible thing to waste.

  36. @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    It’s blacks, then Hispanics, then Native Indians, then Pacific Islanders, then whites, then south asians(the last two are the same), and finally the East Asians. Ranked from highest to lowest.

    Poverty is not a good explanation.
     

    The South Asian crime rate is not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income and education attainment, which are negatively correlated with crime rate (esp. education).

    One thing to keep in mind is that ALL foreign-born population in America have lower incarceration rates than their American-born ethnic counterparts (but the negative “assimilation penalty multiple” varies by group). Indians have a relatively high assimilation penalty multiple - about 9 (meaning American-born Indians are incarcerated at 9 times the rate of foreign-born Indians). See the data here:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/debunking-myth-immigrant-criminality-imprisonment-among-first-and-second-generation-young/

    Look at table 1 in particular.

    Replies: @Greg21, @BengaliCanadianDude

    How does that hold for white collar crime across all races?

  37. @Audacious Epigone
    @Muggles

    And just provide a table instead? I'll leave the graph and add a table soon.

    Replies: @res

    I think it would be helpful if you can find a way to clearly convey how much of the total comes from each direction as well.

  38. @EastKekistani
    @Anon


    A contemptuous attitude borne out of some racial animus and a deep seated inferiority complex overcompensated by a pompous jeering attitude towards the blood and the soil of the US (ever notice how these verbally facile dot Indians constantly refer to those white Americans, in twitter or other social media, who are arguing for lowered legal immigration along with no illegal immigration, as uber drivers, welders, painters and the likes?]. For them, these are “low class” jobs aka the trades which they never had a high opinion of, even back home in India. Very similar to those other category of urban “merchants” who never saw tough country work during their long history
     
    You should look into the caste system in India. Indian immigrants and students in America are predominantly upper caste. The Indians I personally know are almost exclusively Brahmin. In India your caste determines or at least used to determine your profession. It is likely that manual laborers are predominantly lower caste in India. Since caste is hereditary and intercaste marriages are extremely rare it is likely that a certain upper caste Indian dude does not personally know even one manual laborer, hence he can not empathize with him at all.

    not a blood spent in taming it
     
    Unfortunately you are right. What you essentially said is that murder is a prerequisite for keeping wealth or even survival. This is why SEAs, Africans, Pacific Islanders and Latin Americans murder NE Asian people with impunity, namely we don't kill them, let alone kill them impulsively for lulz. Sometimes I really wish that the world were less malevolent. After all I'm not someone who will personally murder anyone. I'm too nice for that.

    We need to strengthen institutions so that we can at least alleviate this aspect of the universe among humans globally.


    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??
     
    Probably. That's what I would have done if I were in their position.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Audacious Epigone

    Indian immigrants and students in America are predominantly upper caste. The Indians I personally know are almost exclusively Brahmin.

    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no ‘caste’).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Americans#Religion

    These oversimplified explanations which are popular among pseudointellectuals in these parts tend to have no basis in reality.

    Plus, the wealthy ones are the ones that own entire hotel chains and multiple gas stations. Those are not the high-IQ STEM ones.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    @Thomm


    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no ‘caste’).
     
    The caste system in India is not merely religious. Instead it is a major part of a feudal society. Among Christians and Muslims in India it also exists.

    Plus, the wealthy ones are the ones that own entire hotel chains and multiple gas stations. Those are not the high-IQ STEM ones.
     
    Gujaratis and other merchants from India aren't idiotic.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Thomm

    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Thomm

    There is classism amongst Muslims and other religions too. Also, its hard to track, but many upper case Hindus converted into Idlam. Sometimes they are known. For instance, Jinnah was the youngest Indian graduate of law school in Cambridge. He was Muslim. His grandfather was a wealthy fish merchant, part of the high ranking Lohana hindu caste. This caste disapproved of the fish business as they were vegand and they kicked Jinnahs popop out. Jinnahs dad was angry and converted into Isla. And we all know Jinnah, and how smart he was.

    Nothing 'pseudo' really. It adds up.outliers happen for sure, but more often than not it can be explained

    , @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no ‘caste’).
     
    Yup. Christians are only 2.3% in India, but 18% of Indians in America. This is of course not a big surprise - the pattern is replicated to much greater degrees with peoples such as Lebanese and Koreans, that is, their diasporas in America are far more Christian than are their origin country populations.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Johann Ricke

  39. @Thomm
    @EastKekistani


    Indian immigrants and students in America are predominantly upper caste. The Indians I personally know are almost exclusively Brahmin.
     
    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no 'caste').

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Americans#Religion

    These oversimplified explanations which are popular among pseudointellectuals in these parts tend to have no basis in reality.

    Plus, the wealthy ones are the ones that own entire hotel chains and multiple gas stations. Those are not the high-IQ STEM ones.

    Replies: @EastKekistani, @BengaliCanadianDude, @Twinkie

    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no ‘caste’).

    The caste system in India is not merely religious. Instead it is a major part of a feudal society. Among Christians and Muslims in India it also exists.

    Plus, the wealthy ones are the ones that own entire hotel chains and multiple gas stations. Those are not the high-IQ STEM ones.

    Gujaratis and other merchants from India aren’t idiotic.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @EastKekistani

    Gujaratis are the ones in the hotel and hospitality business..
    Hindu muslim doesnt matter...cousin is in the game

    , @Thomm
    @EastKekistani


    The caste system in India is not merely religious. Instead it is a major part of a feudal society. Among Christians and Muslims in India it also exists.
     
    How can that be? Then all of Pakistan should be 'high caste' since it is much more Caucasian in its genetic profile (i.e. Pakistanis are 'whiter').

    But as we see, Pakistanis don't outperform at all.


    Gujaratis and other merchants from India aren’t idiotic.

     

    I thought merchants are not 'high caste'. That is the third of the four, so in the lower half, as per my understanding.

    Make up your mind.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  40. @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    It’s blacks, then Hispanics, then Native Indians, then Pacific Islanders, then whites, then south asians(the last two are the same), and finally the East Asians. Ranked from highest to lowest.

    Poverty is not a good explanation.
     

    The South Asian crime rate is not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income and education attainment, which are negatively correlated with crime rate (esp. education).

    One thing to keep in mind is that ALL foreign-born population in America have lower incarceration rates than their American-born ethnic counterparts (but the negative “assimilation penalty multiple” varies by group). Indians have a relatively high assimilation penalty multiple - about 9 (meaning American-born Indians are incarcerated at 9 times the rate of foreign-born Indians). See the data here:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/debunking-myth-immigrant-criminality-imprisonment-among-first-and-second-generation-young/

    Look at table 1 in particular.

    Replies: @Greg21, @BengaliCanadianDude

    Ah the old income argument. The incomes are similar to that of native Americans. Read the paper I linked. Income isnt that good of a predictor

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Read again. My comment was mostly about “assimilation penalty” in incarceration rates. It’s clear you didn’t read most of my comment and just responded to “income.”

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  41. @EastKekistani
    @Thomm


    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no ‘caste’).
     
    The caste system in India is not merely religious. Instead it is a major part of a feudal society. Among Christians and Muslims in India it also exists.

    Plus, the wealthy ones are the ones that own entire hotel chains and multiple gas stations. Those are not the high-IQ STEM ones.
     
    Gujaratis and other merchants from India aren't idiotic.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Thomm

    Gujaratis are the ones in the hotel and hospitality business..
    Hindu muslim doesnt matter…cousin is in the game

  42. @EastKekistani
    @Thomm


    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no ‘caste’).
     
    The caste system in India is not merely religious. Instead it is a major part of a feudal society. Among Christians and Muslims in India it also exists.

    Plus, the wealthy ones are the ones that own entire hotel chains and multiple gas stations. Those are not the high-IQ STEM ones.
     
    Gujaratis and other merchants from India aren't idiotic.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Thomm

    The caste system in India is not merely religious. Instead it is a major part of a feudal society. Among Christians and Muslims in India it also exists.

    How can that be? Then all of Pakistan should be ‘high caste’ since it is much more Caucasian in its genetic profile (i.e. Pakistanis are ‘whiter’).

    But as we see, Pakistanis don’t outperform at all.

    Gujaratis and other merchants from India aren’t idiotic.

    I thought merchants are not ‘high caste’. That is the third of the four, so in the lower half, as per my understanding.

    Make up your mind.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Thomm

    In Muslim families, the women tend to stay at home and they have lower labour participation rates compared to Hindus. This affects the household income.


    Also, what the hell is your first statement, skin colour plays a role sometimes, but not always

  43. @Anon
    @Twinkie

    A contemptuous attitude borne out of some racial animus and a deep seated inferiority complex overcompensated by a pompous jeering attitude towards the blood and the soil of the US (ever notice how these verbally facile dot Indians constantly refer to those white Americans, in twitter or other social media, who are arguing for lowered legal immigration along with no illegal immigration, as uber drivers, welders, painters and the likes?]. For them, these are "low class" jobs aka the trades which they never had a high opinion of, even back home in India. Very similar to those other category of urban "merchants" who never saw tough country work during their long history

    Add to that a very high median income, extreme clannishness and ethnic nepotism which has resulted in them cornering entire industries for their ethnic brethren? So yes virginia, the east Indians are a classic case of the hostile alien overlords in the making. Similar to the Russian royalty in Kievan Rus or the present day "white" hispanics in meso-america. With absolutely no roots in the land and not a blood spent in taming it, yet they'll be having the best for themselves and their kids often at the expense of poorer "nativists" [their lingo]. It won't play out very well once a lot of these folks become visible to many otherwise normal folks.

    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??

    Replies: @EastKekistani, @Thomm

    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??

    Possibly.

    But it may not work. Intermarriage between 2nd gen Indians and Jews is pretty high in America.

    Plus, we don’t have any data on 2nd gen assimilation rates yet. That is what matters. The first gen does not matter, assimilation-wise, in the end, since they arrive as adults anyway and are thus a temporary factor. That is why the oldest (i.e. longest present) Asian groups in America, Japanese and Filipinos, are the most assimilated.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    Plus, we don’t have any data on 2nd gen assimilation rates yet.
     
    Yes we do.

    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.3pvXL9Y5.pB6Xse7e.dpbs

    Look at USR + USR only.

    Replies: @Thomm

    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Thomm

    They're not going to integrate. 2nd gen Canadian brown people don't integrate at all.

    They become even worse than the first gen, actively hating whitey and seeking to destroy his society, while adopting a form of the negro culture (they worship Drake).

    Stop wanting to "integrate" people. I don't want brown people to be "assimilated" to me. I don't want them to be like me. I want them out of my country, and may they do as they please at home.

    Replies: @EastKekistani

  44. @Thomm
    @EastKekistani


    Indian immigrants and students in America are predominantly upper caste. The Indians I personally know are almost exclusively Brahmin.
     
    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no 'caste').

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Americans#Religion

    These oversimplified explanations which are popular among pseudointellectuals in these parts tend to have no basis in reality.

    Plus, the wealthy ones are the ones that own entire hotel chains and multiple gas stations. Those are not the high-IQ STEM ones.

    Replies: @EastKekistani, @BengaliCanadianDude, @Twinkie

    There is classism amongst Muslims and other religions too. Also, its hard to track, but many upper case Hindus converted into Idlam. Sometimes they are known. For instance, Jinnah was the youngest Indian graduate of law school in Cambridge. He was Muslim. His grandfather was a wealthy fish merchant, part of the high ranking Lohana hindu caste. This caste disapproved of the fish business as they were vegand and they kicked Jinnahs popop out. Jinnahs dad was angry and converted into Isla. And we all know Jinnah, and how smart he was.

    Nothing ‘pseudo’ really. It adds up.outliers happen for sure, but more often than not it can be explained

  45. @Thomm
    @EastKekistani


    The caste system in India is not merely religious. Instead it is a major part of a feudal society. Among Christians and Muslims in India it also exists.
     
    How can that be? Then all of Pakistan should be 'high caste' since it is much more Caucasian in its genetic profile (i.e. Pakistanis are 'whiter').

    But as we see, Pakistanis don't outperform at all.


    Gujaratis and other merchants from India aren’t idiotic.

     

    I thought merchants are not 'high caste'. That is the third of the four, so in the lower half, as per my understanding.

    Make up your mind.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    In Muslim families, the women tend to stay at home and they have lower labour participation rates compared to Hindus. This affects the household income.

    Also, what the hell is your first statement, skin colour plays a role sometimes, but not always

  46. @songbird
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    No they didnt... You’re wrong
     
    Sorry, I guess you are either senile or too young to remember - I hope the latter. They had a separate section "South Asia" for several years. The other was "East Asia." They rolled it into one "Asia" section, several years ago, which was quite an odd choice - certainly not for reading convenience. Maybe, they were cutting costs? I don't know - they have certainly been in decline.

    BTW, I am well aware of the nonsensical habit of the British to refer to subcons as "Asians" That is a separate issue than the fact that they had separate news sections. Obviously, British lingo should normalize to the American standard of using "Asian" as being shorthand for NE Asians, both because America is a more important country and NE Asia is a more important region, not to mention the fact that it is actually half-useful as a category.

    It would actually be more appropriate to call all of South Asia "Greater India" or the "subcontinent." This in turn would help separate them from SE Asians, who are really their own separate category.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    Thecurrent system is logical. The UK is lilly white and there is a negligible amount of NE Asians and far more south asians

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    UK is lilly white
     
    London is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. ... At the 2011 census, London had a population of 8,173,941. Of this number, 44.9% were White British. 37% of the population were born outside the UK, including 24.5% born outside of Europe.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  47. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Twinkie

    Ah the old income argument. The incomes are similar to that of native Americans. Read the paper I linked. Income isnt that good of a predictor

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Read again. My comment was mostly about “assimilation penalty” in incarceration rates. It’s clear you didn’t read most of my comment and just responded to “income.”

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Twinkie

    I responded to one point you made

    Replies: @Twinkie

  48. @Thomm
    @Anon


    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??
     
    Possibly.

    But it may not work. Intermarriage between 2nd gen Indians and Jews is pretty high in America.

    Plus, we don't have any data on 2nd gen assimilation rates yet. That is what matters. The first gen does not matter, assimilation-wise, in the end, since they arrive as adults anyway and are thus a temporary factor. That is why the oldest (i.e. longest present) Asian groups in America, Japanese and Filipinos, are the most assimilated.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Plus, we don’t have any data on 2nd gen assimilation rates yet.

    Yes we do.

    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.3pvXL9Y5.pB6Xse7e.dpbs

    Look at USR + USR only.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Twinkie

    OK, so 2nd Gen Indians (USRs in that table) marry whites at a 31-32% rate, on average.

    Remember that relatively few Indian-Americans born in the US are age 28 or older as of yet (and probably almost none in 2011, when this data is from), so the data will probably converge to the even higher Chinese or Filipino numbers we also see in that table.

    Ultimately, 30-40% of 2nd-gen Asians marry whites. This would lead to the Asian-American population just vanishing over time, unless it keeps getting topped up with new immigrants.

    This data is from 2011, and things have gotten far more pervasive in terms of interracial marriage since then.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  49. @216
    https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1126351043619577856

    Divide by zero

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @SunBakedSuburb

    Chunk Yogurt.

  50. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @songbird

    Thecurrent system is logical. The UK is lilly white and there is a negligible amount of NE Asians and far more south asians

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    UK is lilly white

    London is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. … At the 2011 census, London had a population of 8,173,941. Of this number, 44.9% were White British. 37% of the population were born outside the UK, including 24.5% born outside of Europe.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Daniel Chieh

    England is 88 percent white

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @iffen

  51. @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    Plus, we don’t have any data on 2nd gen assimilation rates yet.
     
    Yes we do.

    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.3pvXL9Y5.pB6Xse7e.dpbs

    Look at USR + USR only.

    Replies: @Thomm

    OK, so 2nd Gen Indians (USRs in that table) marry whites at a 31-32% rate, on average.

    Remember that relatively few Indian-Americans born in the US are age 28 or older as of yet (and probably almost none in 2011, when this data is from), so the data will probably converge to the even higher Chinese or Filipino numbers we also see in that table.

    Ultimately, 30-40% of 2nd-gen Asians marry whites. This would lead to the Asian-American population just vanishing over time, unless it keeps getting topped up with new immigrants.

    This data is from 2011, and things have gotten far more pervasive in terms of interracial marriage since then.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    OK, so 2nd Gen Indians (USRs in that table) marry whites at a 31-32% rate, on average.
     
    25.6% of American-born Indian males marry U.S.-born whites. 37.8% for women.

    In contrast, Filipinos are 31.8 and 42.7 and Koreans are 34.6 and 57.7. This despite the fact that Indians are far higher SES due to high selectivity of immigration.


    Remember that relatively few Indian-Americans born in the US are age 28 or older as of yet (and probably almost none in 2011, when this data is from)
     
    The pop numbers are on the table. USR Indian males (94200) already outnumbered USR Korean males (78000) and USR Vietnamese males (80700). There are many more by now.

    This would lead to the Asian-American population just vanishing over time, unless it keeps getting topped up with new immigrants.
     
    Yes. Unless.

    Replies: @Thomm

  52. @Thomm
    @Anon


    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??
     
    Possibly.

    But it may not work. Intermarriage between 2nd gen Indians and Jews is pretty high in America.

    Plus, we don't have any data on 2nd gen assimilation rates yet. That is what matters. The first gen does not matter, assimilation-wise, in the end, since they arrive as adults anyway and are thus a temporary factor. That is why the oldest (i.e. longest present) Asian groups in America, Japanese and Filipinos, are the most assimilated.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    They’re not going to integrate. 2nd gen Canadian brown people don’t integrate at all.

    They become even worse than the first gen, actively hating whitey and seeking to destroy his society, while adopting a form of the negro culture (they worship Drake).

    Stop wanting to “integrate” people. I don’t want brown people to be “assimilated” to me. I don’t want them to be like me. I want them out of my country, and may they do as they please at home.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Yep.

    I think high-IQ peoples should be good neighbors nation-wise (that is, clear property boundaries) and then let's have a town meeting and figure out how to deal with our delinquents (i.e. Negros and people who behave like them such as mestizos, Polynesians etc).

  53. @Daniel Chieh
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    UK is lilly white
     
    London is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. ... At the 2011 census, London had a population of 8,173,941. Of this number, 44.9% were White British. 37% of the population were born outside the UK, including 24.5% born outside of Europe.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    England is 88 percent white

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The capitol ought to reflect the country. Unfortunately, it represents only a dismal future.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    , @iffen
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    England is 88 percent white

    Are you counting the Welsh as white?

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  54. @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Read again. My comment was mostly about “assimilation penalty” in incarceration rates. It’s clear you didn’t read most of my comment and just responded to “income.”

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    I responded to one point you made

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    I responded to one point you made
     
    You mean where I emphasized education’s correlations and you elided it by talking about income?

    Try not to be intellectually dishonest.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  55. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Daniel Chieh

    England is 88 percent white

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @iffen

    The capitol ought to reflect the country. Unfortunately, it represents only a dismal future.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Daniel Chieh

    London is still a vibrant global business hub, filled with jobs and opportunities. it has only been changing recently due to all the Brexiteering drama and uncertainty. Contrary to what the doomsayers are saying, it's not that bad.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

  56. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Thomm

    They're not going to integrate. 2nd gen Canadian brown people don't integrate at all.

    They become even worse than the first gen, actively hating whitey and seeking to destroy his society, while adopting a form of the negro culture (they worship Drake).

    Stop wanting to "integrate" people. I don't want brown people to be "assimilated" to me. I don't want them to be like me. I want them out of my country, and may they do as they please at home.

    Replies: @EastKekistani

    Yep.

    I think high-IQ peoples should be good neighbors nation-wise (that is, clear property boundaries) and then let’s have a town meeting and figure out how to deal with our delinquents (i.e. Negros and people who behave like them such as mestizos, Polynesians etc).

  57. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Daniel Chieh

    England is 88 percent white

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @iffen

    England is 88 percent white

    Are you counting the Welsh as white?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @iffen

    Are you being serious, or really that facetious right now?

    Replies: @iffen

  58. @Thomm
    @Twinkie

    OK, so 2nd Gen Indians (USRs in that table) marry whites at a 31-32% rate, on average.

    Remember that relatively few Indian-Americans born in the US are age 28 or older as of yet (and probably almost none in 2011, when this data is from), so the data will probably converge to the even higher Chinese or Filipino numbers we also see in that table.

    Ultimately, 30-40% of 2nd-gen Asians marry whites. This would lead to the Asian-American population just vanishing over time, unless it keeps getting topped up with new immigrants.

    This data is from 2011, and things have gotten far more pervasive in terms of interracial marriage since then.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    OK, so 2nd Gen Indians (USRs in that table) marry whites at a 31-32% rate, on average.

    25.6% of American-born Indian males marry U.S.-born whites. 37.8% for women.

    In contrast, Filipinos are 31.8 and 42.7 and Koreans are 34.6 and 57.7. This despite the fact that Indians are far higher SES due to high selectivity of immigration.

    Remember that relatively few Indian-Americans born in the US are age 28 or older as of yet (and probably almost none in 2011, when this data is from)

    The pop numbers are on the table. USR Indian males (94200) already outnumbered USR Korean males (78000) and USR Vietnamese males (80700). There are many more by now.

    This would lead to the Asian-American population just vanishing over time, unless it keeps getting topped up with new immigrants.

    Yes. Unless.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Twinkie


    The pop numbers are on the table. USR Indian males (94200) already outnumbered USR Korean males (78000) and USR Vietnamese males (80700). There are many more by now.
     
    What are you looking at? If you count USR + USR only, there are just 32,100 Indian-American men and 39,200 Indian-American women, in the 'Population Size x 1000' row item. That is 71,300 in total.

    The Chinese numbers of USR+USR only is over 210,000. Even the Filipino number is over 170,000.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  59. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Twinkie

    I responded to one point you made

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I responded to one point you made

    You mean where I emphasized education’s correlations and you elided it by talking about income?

    Try not to be intellectually dishonest.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Twinkie


    not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income
     
    Here's the point I responded to. Try not to be so dishonest LULZ

    Replies: @Twinkie

  60. Maybe I’m not understanding your methodology properly/correctly, but your data set only shows a 32 point difference/differential/gap in interracial relations intergroup perceptions between blacks (-16) and whites (+16) and not 49 points?

    Source: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/perceptions-of-interracial-relations-in-the-us/

    vs.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @FKA Max

    Holy f*ck. I'd toyed with a 17 point base so that all the bars would be positive and then did the second post using the data from the previous draft where the 17 was only left in for whites and blacks but not for any others. IOW, I fucked up royally. God damn it, that's twice since I've been here at UR. I'm really sorry. Fixing now.

  61. @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    I responded to one point you made
     
    You mean where I emphasized education’s correlations and you elided it by talking about income?

    Try not to be intellectually dishonest.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income

    Here’s the point I responded to. Try not to be so dishonest LULZ

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Try not to live up to the common perception around here of Indians as bullshit artists. The whole sentence is:


    The South Asian crime rate is not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income and education attainment, which are negatively correlated with crime rate (esp. education).
     

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Stan d Mute

  62. @iffen
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    England is 88 percent white

    Are you counting the Welsh as white?

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    Are you being serious, or really that facetious right now?

    • Replies: @iffen
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Both. I can't seem to stop poking at comments that put all their eggs into a "white" basket.

    Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief;
    Taffy came to my house and stole a leg of beef;
    I went to Taffy's house and Taffy was in bed;
    I upped with the jerry pot and hit him on the head.

  63. @Daniel Chieh
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The capitol ought to reflect the country. Unfortunately, it represents only a dismal future.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    London is still a vibrant global business hub, filled with jobs and opportunities. it has only been changing recently due to all the Brexiteering drama and uncertainty. Contrary to what the doomsayers are saying, it’s not that bad.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The economy needs a good crash to straighten us out. It might even send some of your people "back home".

    Ironically though Brexit is probably going to make the UK less white, as Poles and Romanians and Ukrainians will not be able to come in as easily. I actually think this is good though; more Poles in Poland means fewer Poles being exposed to the degeneracy of the satanic and demonic (((West))).

    A Pole is not an Englishman and he will never be one, same as a Paki or an African. I do wish Poland luck in maintaining a Polish, conservative and Christian culture in the face of EU oppression. They need all hands on deck back home, not in London.

    But back to the original point. I'm excited for the crash. "Economic opportunities" is a code word for "mass immigration" and "white displacement". Until whites have a high birth rate, economic growth should not be pursued at the cost of racial prosperity.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Audacious Epigone

  64. Anonymous [AKA "Crystal Clear"] says:

    The Chateau just got deplatformed. Anyone know where they’ll pop up?

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    @Anonymous

    Was just a matter of time... https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    Ashkepathy

    https://archive.is/pOfZ2

  65. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Daniel Chieh

    London is still a vibrant global business hub, filled with jobs and opportunities. it has only been changing recently due to all the Brexiteering drama and uncertainty. Contrary to what the doomsayers are saying, it's not that bad.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    The economy needs a good crash to straighten us out. It might even send some of your people “back home”.

    Ironically though Brexit is probably going to make the UK less white, as Poles and Romanians and Ukrainians will not be able to come in as easily. I actually think this is good though; more Poles in Poland means fewer Poles being exposed to the degeneracy of the satanic and demonic (((West))).

    A Pole is not an Englishman and he will never be one, same as a Paki or an African. I do wish Poland luck in maintaining a Polish, conservative and Christian culture in the face of EU oppression. They need all hands on deck back home, not in London.

    But back to the original point. I’m excited for the crash. “Economic opportunities” is a code word for “mass immigration” and “white displacement”. Until whites have a high birth rate, economic growth should not be pursued at the cost of racial prosperity.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Until whites have a high birth rate
     
    So..never?

    You gotta have some little FrancoOntarians yourself, old sport.

    Gotta help, no?

    It might even send some of your people “back home”.
     
    YOu may sayyy I'm a dreamer///But Im not the only one.....


    -John Lennon


    great artist, shame what happened


    ON a tangent however....let's go back to the point on hand...


    You underestimate how much of a hellhole South Asia is......

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Accelerationism has very limited appeal--to some subset of young men without families, just about no one else.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  66. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The economy needs a good crash to straighten us out. It might even send some of your people "back home".

    Ironically though Brexit is probably going to make the UK less white, as Poles and Romanians and Ukrainians will not be able to come in as easily. I actually think this is good though; more Poles in Poland means fewer Poles being exposed to the degeneracy of the satanic and demonic (((West))).

    A Pole is not an Englishman and he will never be one, same as a Paki or an African. I do wish Poland luck in maintaining a Polish, conservative and Christian culture in the face of EU oppression. They need all hands on deck back home, not in London.

    But back to the original point. I'm excited for the crash. "Economic opportunities" is a code word for "mass immigration" and "white displacement". Until whites have a high birth rate, economic growth should not be pursued at the cost of racial prosperity.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Audacious Epigone

    Until whites have a high birth rate

    So..never?

    You gotta have some little FrancoOntarians yourself, old sport.

    Gotta help, no?

    It might even send some of your people “back home”.

    YOu may sayyy I’m a dreamer///But Im not the only one…..

    -John Lennon

    great artist, shame what happened

    ON a tangent however….let’s go back to the point on hand…

    You underestimate how much of a hellhole South Asia is……

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    You gotta have some little FrancoOntarians yourself
     
    Soon. I'm quite young now but I plan on having at minimum 3 white children. I'm fine having 10 or more, they just can't expect any help with uni tuition after around the 2nd.

    As an aside, Franco Ontarians have one of the highest fertilities in the province, around 1.8. Not at replacement but it's higher than every major group except Muslims.

    great artist, shame what happened
     
    Never trust an Asian.

    You underestimate how much of a hellhole South Asia is……
     
    True, the South Asians probably wouldn't leave but East Asians could. A non-white leaving is a non-white leaving. Either way, I'm optimistic that whites will become highly hostile in the case of a collapse. South Asians won't leave until whites start forcing them out. It seems unlikely right now but watch how fast things can turn.

    To CSIS: I love diversity and it is our strength. I would hate for this scenario and am always welcoming oppressed brown minorities to Ontario. This message is simply to help browns prepare in the case of evil white racism.
  67. @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    OK, so 2nd Gen Indians (USRs in that table) marry whites at a 31-32% rate, on average.
     
    25.6% of American-born Indian males marry U.S.-born whites. 37.8% for women.

    In contrast, Filipinos are 31.8 and 42.7 and Koreans are 34.6 and 57.7. This despite the fact that Indians are far higher SES due to high selectivity of immigration.


    Remember that relatively few Indian-Americans born in the US are age 28 or older as of yet (and probably almost none in 2011, when this data is from)
     
    The pop numbers are on the table. USR Indian males (94200) already outnumbered USR Korean males (78000) and USR Vietnamese males (80700). There are many more by now.

    This would lead to the Asian-American population just vanishing over time, unless it keeps getting topped up with new immigrants.
     
    Yes. Unless.

    Replies: @Thomm

    The pop numbers are on the table. USR Indian males (94200) already outnumbered USR Korean males (78000) and USR Vietnamese males (80700). There are many more by now.

    What are you looking at? If you count USR + USR only, there are just 32,100 Indian-American men and 39,200 Indian-American women, in the ‘Population Size x 1000’ row item. That is 71,300 in total.

    The Chinese numbers of USR+USR only is over 210,000. Even the Filipino number is over 170,000.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    What are you looking at? If you count USR + USR only
     
    That’s only the USRs who married other USRs (of varying races). To get the total USR numbers for the first partner, you have to add the two columns.

    USR Indian males already outnumber USR Koreans and USR Vietnamese.
  68. @Anonymous
    The Chateau just got deplatformed. Anyone know where they'll pop up?

    Replies: @FKA Max

    Was just a matter of time… https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    Ashkepathy

    https://archive.is/pOfZ2

  69. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Until whites have a high birth rate
     
    So..never?

    You gotta have some little FrancoOntarians yourself, old sport.

    Gotta help, no?

    It might even send some of your people “back home”.
     
    YOu may sayyy I'm a dreamer///But Im not the only one.....


    -John Lennon


    great artist, shame what happened


    ON a tangent however....let's go back to the point on hand...


    You underestimate how much of a hellhole South Asia is......

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    You gotta have some little FrancoOntarians yourself

    Soon. I’m quite young now but I plan on having at minimum 3 white children. I’m fine having 10 or more, they just can’t expect any help with uni tuition after around the 2nd.

    As an aside, Franco Ontarians have one of the highest fertilities in the province, around 1.8. Not at replacement but it’s higher than every major group except Muslims.

    great artist, shame what happened

    Never trust an Asian.

    You underestimate how much of a hellhole South Asia is……

    True, the South Asians probably wouldn’t leave but East Asians could. A non-white leaving is a non-white leaving. Either way, I’m optimistic that whites will become highly hostile in the case of a collapse. South Asians won’t leave until whites start forcing them out. It seems unlikely right now but watch how fast things can turn.

    To CSIS: I love diversity and it is our strength. I would hate for this scenario and am always welcoming oppressed brown minorities to Ontario. This message is simply to help browns prepare in the case of evil white racism.

  70. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Twinkie


    not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income
     
    Here's the point I responded to. Try not to be so dishonest LULZ

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Try not to live up to the common perception around here of Indians as bullshit artists. The whole sentence is:

    The South Asian crime rate is not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income and education attainment, which are negatively correlated with crime rate (esp. education).

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Twinkie

    Facepalm. You mentioned income, and how it has to do with crime, and I merely touched upon that. Don't blame others because you have awful reading comprehension and you can't make good points. Anyways last comment

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Twinkie


    Try not to live up to the common perception around here of Indians as bullshit artists.
     
    Is that the common perception? The point I keep making has to do with shit, to be sure, but not just bullshit. Over 600,000,000 Indians will shit on the street today. How many more will spend their entire lives obsessing over and picking up bovine shit or bathing in (or drinking) bovine urine?

    Some folks in my neighborhood have these little cartoonish signs in their lawn depicting a dog taking a crap with a red strike through circle overlaid. How do they know it’s a dog doing the business? And how long before someone makes signs with Indians instead of dogs?
  71. @Thomm
    @Twinkie


    The pop numbers are on the table. USR Indian males (94200) already outnumbered USR Korean males (78000) and USR Vietnamese males (80700). There are many more by now.
     
    What are you looking at? If you count USR + USR only, there are just 32,100 Indian-American men and 39,200 Indian-American women, in the 'Population Size x 1000' row item. That is 71,300 in total.

    The Chinese numbers of USR+USR only is over 210,000. Even the Filipino number is over 170,000.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    What are you looking at? If you count USR + USR only

    That’s only the USRs who married other USRs (of varying races). To get the total USR numbers for the first partner, you have to add the two columns.

    USR Indian males already outnumber USR Koreans and USR Vietnamese.

  72. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @iffen

    Are you being serious, or really that facetious right now?

    Replies: @iffen

    Both. I can’t seem to stop poking at comments that put all their eggs into a “white” basket.

    Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief;
    Taffy came to my house and stole a leg of beef;
    I went to Taffy’s house and Taffy was in bed;
    I upped with the jerry pot and hit him on the head.

  73. @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Try not to live up to the common perception around here of Indians as bullshit artists. The whole sentence is:


    The South Asian crime rate is not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income and education attainment, which are negatively correlated with crime rate (esp. education).
     

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Stan d Mute

    Facepalm. You mentioned income, and how it has to do with crime, and I merely touched upon that. Don’t blame others because you have awful reading comprehension and you can’t make good points. Anyways last comment

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    You mentioned income
     
    Yes, because it is mildly (negatively) correlated with crime. But I also emphasized education attainment as having a greater salience (because the research on that is rather clear - education has higher correlations with crime than income does). And the Indian diaspora is highly selected educationally, some three quarters having a college degree compared to half with Chinese, Koreans, etc.

    Furthermore, the main point of my comment was about the foreign-born vs. US-born disparity in incarceration rates. In the case of Indians, as of 2011, that ratio was 1-to-9. This doesn’t bode nearly as well for future American-born generations of Indians in America. Though, to be sure, their overall incarceration rate will still be comparatively very low - just not as low as they should be given the more highly selected nature of their demographics (higher income/education attainment than whites and NE Asians). Even now, foreign-born Indians have lower incarceration rate than foreign-born Chinese and Koreans, but their US-born counterparts have higher rates than US-born Chinese and Koreans.

    And of course, previously I didn’t even bring up the crime rates in their origin countries - the homicide rate in India is roughly 5x that of China (and more than 10x that of Japan).

    Don’t blame others because you have awful reading comprehension and you can’t make good points.
     
    This is just sad. Stop trying to “win” arguments and try to understand the subtleties of what I wrote. You might actually learn something.
  74. 3206873

    I respect NE Asian culture. I don’t want them living in Canada though.

    As long as you guys don’t complain about ‘muh black human rights’ if we want our own variant of Canada or Australia in what is now Papua New Guinea or something then that’s great.

    NE Asia needs political and cultural diversity. To achieve that we need to deliberate set up multiple states and make centralization impossible.

  75. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Audacious Epigone


    (or better yet, a moratorium)
     
    On immigration, or the usage of the term? LOL

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    The former.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Audacious Epigone

    I feel so harrassed. My spiritual fibre has been muddled, and the damage is irreversible.

  76. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Audacious Epigone

    Yep you're probably right on the crime stats. Asians as a WHOLE commit little crime. https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235217301265#!

    Read it, or skim through it. Whites and South Asians have about the same rates of crime, and the difference between them is insignificant. I'll point your attention to page four, if you please. Of course, as we all predicted, East Asians commit the least crime by a long shot.

    It's blacks, then Hispanics, then Native Indians, then Pacific Islanders, then whites, then south asians(the last two are the same), and finally the East Asians. Ranked from highest to lowest.

    Poverty is not a good explanation.

    This whole study made me giggle in happiness.


    Next is welfare.


    Us South Asians....consume very little welfare per household, and as a percentage
    https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/richwine-costs-f2.png

    Impressive, innit?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @EastKekistani, @Audacious Epigone

    Uh, help me access it and I will!

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Audacious Epigone

    Use sci-hub. I literally linked it. Sci-hub.tw.

  77. @EastKekistani
    @Anon


    A contemptuous attitude borne out of some racial animus and a deep seated inferiority complex overcompensated by a pompous jeering attitude towards the blood and the soil of the US (ever notice how these verbally facile dot Indians constantly refer to those white Americans, in twitter or other social media, who are arguing for lowered legal immigration along with no illegal immigration, as uber drivers, welders, painters and the likes?]. For them, these are “low class” jobs aka the trades which they never had a high opinion of, even back home in India. Very similar to those other category of urban “merchants” who never saw tough country work during their long history
     
    You should look into the caste system in India. Indian immigrants and students in America are predominantly upper caste. The Indians I personally know are almost exclusively Brahmin. In India your caste determines or at least used to determine your profession. It is likely that manual laborers are predominantly lower caste in India. Since caste is hereditary and intercaste marriages are extremely rare it is likely that a certain upper caste Indian dude does not personally know even one manual laborer, hence he can not empathize with him at all.

    not a blood spent in taming it
     
    Unfortunately you are right. What you essentially said is that murder is a prerequisite for keeping wealth or even survival. This is why SEAs, Africans, Pacific Islanders and Latin Americans murder NE Asian people with impunity, namely we don't kill them, let alone kill them impulsively for lulz. Sometimes I really wish that the world were less malevolent. After all I'm not someone who will personally murder anyone. I'm too nice for that.

    We need to strengthen institutions so that we can at least alleviate this aspect of the universe among humans globally.


    Sometimes i wonder if our current (((overlords))) are promoting them to be the most visible non assimilated minority so take the heat off them once SHTF. One more commentator had that view. May be it has merit??
     
    Probably. That's what I would have done if I were in their position.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Audacious Epigone

    Or they could continue to assimilate–literally genetically assimilate–into the white gentile population. Outside of the ‘far right’ and the ‘far left’–at most maybe 20% of the total white population in the US, and probably closer to 10%–Jews don’t have much salience as Jews to white gentiles unless they wear it on their sleeves (or heads) like Ben Shapiro does.

  78. @Thomm
    @EastKekistani


    Indian immigrants and students in America are predominantly upper caste. The Indians I personally know are almost exclusively Brahmin.
     
    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no 'caste').

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Americans#Religion

    These oversimplified explanations which are popular among pseudointellectuals in these parts tend to have no basis in reality.

    Plus, the wealthy ones are the ones that own entire hotel chains and multiple gas stations. Those are not the high-IQ STEM ones.

    Replies: @EastKekistani, @BengaliCanadianDude, @Twinkie

    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no ‘caste’).

    Yup. Christians are only 2.3% in India, but 18% of Indians in America. This is of course not a big surprise – the pattern is replicated to much greater degrees with peoples such as Lebanese and Koreans, that is, their diasporas in America are far more Christian than are their origin country populations.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Twinkie

    Terrible idea.

    Christians are the most likely to "assimilate" and become godless pleasure worshipers.

    Lebs are not realy too Catholic in Canada anymore, but theyve also lost their grip in Lebanon. A lose lose.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    Globally and historically, religious conflicts have been far more numerous and destructive than racial ones. Cultural values matter.
     
    I tend to lump religion into ideology. On the other hand, while ideology may, on the surface, be the source of these conflicts, the real question is whether, in many cases, they are merely pretexts used as useful rallying points for different factions contending for power and prestige. Was Mao Zedong really a communist, or was he merely an emperor using Marxist terminology to achieve and maintain his authority? Were Mongol rulers who split off from the khagan in Mongolia and converted to Islam really Muslims, or was this merely a facade to keep the faithful from revolting against their infidel rulers - a step that was necessary since they could no longer annihilate Muslim rebels to last man, woman and child without greatly diminishing their local power base (i.e. a troop levy and taxable population) independent of the Mongolian khagan?

    Replies: @Twinkie

  79. @FKA Max
    Maybe I'm not understanding your methodology properly/correctly, but your data set only shows a 32 point difference/differential/gap in interracial relations intergroup perceptions between blacks (-16) and whites (+16) and not 49 points?

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/getalong.png

    Source: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/perceptions-of-interracial-relations-in-the-us/

    vs.

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/diffs.png

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Holy f*ck. I’d toyed with a 17 point base so that all the bars would be positive and then did the second post using the data from the previous draft where the 17 was only left in for whites and blacks but not for any others. IOW, I fucked up royally. God damn it, that’s twice since I’ve been here at UR. I’m really sorry. Fixing now.

  80. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The economy needs a good crash to straighten us out. It might even send some of your people "back home".

    Ironically though Brexit is probably going to make the UK less white, as Poles and Romanians and Ukrainians will not be able to come in as easily. I actually think this is good though; more Poles in Poland means fewer Poles being exposed to the degeneracy of the satanic and demonic (((West))).

    A Pole is not an Englishman and he will never be one, same as a Paki or an African. I do wish Poland luck in maintaining a Polish, conservative and Christian culture in the face of EU oppression. They need all hands on deck back home, not in London.

    But back to the original point. I'm excited for the crash. "Economic opportunities" is a code word for "mass immigration" and "white displacement". Until whites have a high birth rate, economic growth should not be pursued at the cost of racial prosperity.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Audacious Epigone

    Accelerationism has very limited appeal–to some subset of young men without families, just about no one else.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Audacious Epigone


    Accelerationism has very limited appeal–to some subset of young men without families, just about no one else.
     
    Count me as an outlier then. Because it’s despicable to shit on your children and grandchildren. Get the mess over with while I can still help them get through it. Passing the buck is a nutless Silent and Boomer move...

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  81. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Twinkie

    Facepalm. You mentioned income, and how it has to do with crime, and I merely touched upon that. Don't blame others because you have awful reading comprehension and you can't make good points. Anyways last comment

    Replies: @Twinkie

    You mentioned income

    Yes, because it is mildly (negatively) correlated with crime. But I also emphasized education attainment as having a greater salience (because the research on that is rather clear – education has higher correlations with crime than income does). And the Indian diaspora is highly selected educationally, some three quarters having a college degree compared to half with Chinese, Koreans, etc.

    Furthermore, the main point of my comment was about the foreign-born vs. US-born disparity in incarceration rates. In the case of Indians, as of 2011, that ratio was 1-to-9. This doesn’t bode nearly as well for future American-born generations of Indians in America. Though, to be sure, their overall incarceration rate will still be comparatively very low – just not as low as they should be given the more highly selected nature of their demographics (higher income/education attainment than whites and NE Asians). Even now, foreign-born Indians have lower incarceration rate than foreign-born Chinese and Koreans, but their US-born counterparts have higher rates than US-born Chinese and Koreans.

    And of course, previously I didn’t even bring up the crime rates in their origin countries – the homicide rate in India is roughly 5x that of China (and more than 10x that of Japan).

    Don’t blame others because you have awful reading comprehension and you can’t make good points.

    This is just sad. Stop trying to “win” arguments and try to understand the subtleties of what I wrote. You might actually learn something.

  82. 3206809

    BCD,

    No racial slurs here, please.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Audacious Epigone

    Bruh another post I put effort into deleted.
    :(

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Audacious Epigone

    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Audacious Epigone

    What racial slurs, whitey?


    How dare you?



    You give me no other choice but to bring my trump card.....



    What are you a racist or something?



    Damn whitey

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

  83. @Audacious Epigone
    BCD,

    No racial slurs here, please.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @BengaliCanadianDude

    Bruh another post I put effort into deleted.
    🙁

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Dude same. I wrote a long Pulitzer-worthy masterpiece and this white bigot took it down. Dayum. White man tryna keep the brown mayun down or sumfin /sarcasm



    Seriously, cut it out AE

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Just drop the dehumanizing language. Don't refer to groups of people as non-human animals, talk about exterminating them, or use slurs that would have you thrown in jail up there in Canada.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

  84. @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no ‘caste’).
     
    Yup. Christians are only 2.3% in India, but 18% of Indians in America. This is of course not a big surprise - the pattern is replicated to much greater degrees with peoples such as Lebanese and Koreans, that is, their diasporas in America are far more Christian than are their origin country populations.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Johann Ricke

    Terrible idea.

    Christians are the most likely to “assimilate” and become godless pleasure worshipers.

    Lebs are not realy too Catholic in Canada anymore, but theyve also lost their grip in Lebanon. A lose lose.

  85. @Audacious Epigone
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Uh, help me access it and I will!

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    Use sci-hub. I literally linked it. Sci-hub.tw.

  86. @Audacious Epigone
    BCD,

    No racial slurs here, please.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @BengaliCanadianDude

    What racial slurs, whitey?

    How dare you?

    You give me no other choice but to bring my trump card…..

    What are you a racist or something?

    Damn whitey

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    In all seriousness, how often do you/other brown people play the race card, and how often does it work?

    I feel like in Toronto it would work all the time, especially with the pathetic boomer ladies.

    I've never had somebody play the race card with me - I think everybody can tell I'm likely to be racist so they don't play the stupid games.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  87. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Audacious Epigone

    Bruh another post I put effort into deleted.
    :(

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Audacious Epigone

    Dude same. I wrote a long Pulitzer-worthy masterpiece and this white bigot took it down. Dayum. White man tryna keep the brown mayun down or sumfin /sarcasm

    Seriously, cut it out AE

  88. @Audacious Epigone
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The former.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    I feel so harrassed. My spiritual fibre has been muddled, and the damage is irreversible.

  89. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Audacious Epigone

    What racial slurs, whitey?


    How dare you?



    You give me no other choice but to bring my trump card.....



    What are you a racist or something?



    Damn whitey

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    In all seriousness, how often do you/other brown people play the race card, and how often does it work?

    I feel like in Toronto it would work all the time, especially with the pathetic boomer ladies.

    I’ve never had somebody play the race card with me – I think everybody can tell I’m likely to be racist so they don’t play the stupid games.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    In all seriousness
     
    I can't

    how often do you/other brown people play the race card, and how often does it work?
     
    Call bullshit, I don't really care, but never. We are considered open season and fair game by blacks, and hispanics and whites. Look at any comments section on 6ixBuzz(don't ask how I know). It's ok to say things about browns, but when we retaliate and comment on blacks...WHAT IN TARNATION.... In turn, whites are fed up, and because blacks are a protected class, they don't do anything about it. We don't use the race card. People in my friend group at least. I know, unbelievable and all that. Take that as you will.

    I’ve never had somebody play the race card with me – I think everybody can tell I’m likely to be racist so they don’t play the stupid games.
     
    I hope one day we meet so that I can apply the race card for the first time, and that you can have it applied for the first time LOL

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

  90. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    In all seriousness, how often do you/other brown people play the race card, and how often does it work?

    I feel like in Toronto it would work all the time, especially with the pathetic boomer ladies.

    I've never had somebody play the race card with me - I think everybody can tell I'm likely to be racist so they don't play the stupid games.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    In all seriousness

    I can’t

    how often do you/other brown people play the race card, and how often does it work?

    Call bullshit, I don’t really care, but never. We are considered open season and fair game by blacks, and hispanics and whites. Look at any comments section on 6ixBuzz(don’t ask how I know). It’s ok to say things about browns, but when we retaliate and comment on blacks…WHAT IN TARNATION…. In turn, whites are fed up, and because blacks are a protected class, they don’t do anything about it. We don’t use the race card. People in my friend group at least. I know, unbelievable and all that. Take that as you will.

    I’ve never had somebody play the race card with me – I think everybody can tell I’m likely to be racist so they don’t play the stupid games.

    I hope one day we meet so that I can apply the race card for the first time, and that you can have it applied for the first time LOL

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    Look at any comments section on 6ixBuzz
     
    Lol that's kind of true, Brampton probably gets shit on the most. It's not really that bad of a place physically it's just ultra brown.

    But whites are also on open season, especially the lower class whites around Oshawa. Oshawa gets the second most hate.

    In turn, whites are fed up, and because blacks are a protected class, they don’t do anything about it.
     
    Same thing as in the UK. They actually hate the Pakis, but since that's not allowed they turn on the Poles.

    Immigrants to Canada and the USA quickly learn that blacks occupy the top victim spot.

    It's why in some ways I think the coming brown/yellow majority in Canada might not be so bad. Whites have proven to be unable to handle the negro question since the 1950s. But unfortunately the same white liberals are radicalizing the browns and yellows in school to make them hate whites, so we will be in position to be genocided.

    I hope one day we meet
     
    I will be headed to Toronto multiple times over the summer. I can slot in time to experience the race card between meeting with various other white nationalists lol.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  91. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    In all seriousness
     
    I can't

    how often do you/other brown people play the race card, and how often does it work?
     
    Call bullshit, I don't really care, but never. We are considered open season and fair game by blacks, and hispanics and whites. Look at any comments section on 6ixBuzz(don't ask how I know). It's ok to say things about browns, but when we retaliate and comment on blacks...WHAT IN TARNATION.... In turn, whites are fed up, and because blacks are a protected class, they don't do anything about it. We don't use the race card. People in my friend group at least. I know, unbelievable and all that. Take that as you will.

    I’ve never had somebody play the race card with me – I think everybody can tell I’m likely to be racist so they don’t play the stupid games.
     
    I hope one day we meet so that I can apply the race card for the first time, and that you can have it applied for the first time LOL

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Look at any comments section on 6ixBuzz

    Lol that’s kind of true, Brampton probably gets shit on the most. It’s not really that bad of a place physically it’s just ultra brown.

    But whites are also on open season, especially the lower class whites around Oshawa. Oshawa gets the second most hate.

    In turn, whites are fed up, and because blacks are a protected class, they don’t do anything about it.

    Same thing as in the UK. They actually hate the Pakis, but since that’s not allowed they turn on the Poles.

    Immigrants to Canada and the USA quickly learn that blacks occupy the top victim spot.

    It’s why in some ways I think the coming brown/yellow majority in Canada might not be so bad. Whites have proven to be unable to handle the negro question since the 1950s. But unfortunately the same white liberals are radicalizing the browns and yellows in school to make them hate whites, so we will be in position to be genocided.

    I hope one day we meet

    I will be headed to Toronto multiple times over the summer. I can slot in time to experience the race card between meeting with various other white nationalists lol.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    oshawa is a meh place. Pretty sure the GM plant closure will hurt em. Decent areas with some real sketchy places. less negroids so that's good.



    They don't hate the "Pakits"(watch your language). If anything, they have slight animosity towards mirpuris.



    Brampton is a beautiful place with stunning houses, gorgeous backyards, and it is a commercial hub with a thriving metropolis, close to the GTA.


    I sound like a damn realtor.

    But it's true.
    The scenes are great. The Industry is thriving and growing day by the day.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  92. @Twinkie
    @Thomm


    This is false. It seems that half the Indians in the US are not even Hindus (hence no ‘caste’).
     
    Yup. Christians are only 2.3% in India, but 18% of Indians in America. This is of course not a big surprise - the pattern is replicated to much greater degrees with peoples such as Lebanese and Koreans, that is, their diasporas in America are far more Christian than are their origin country populations.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Johann Ricke

    Globally and historically, religious conflicts have been far more numerous and destructive than racial ones. Cultural values matter.

    I tend to lump religion into ideology. On the other hand, while ideology may, on the surface, be the source of these conflicts, the real question is whether, in many cases, they are merely pretexts used as useful rallying points for different factions contending for power and prestige. Was Mao Zedong really a communist, or was he merely an emperor using Marxist terminology to achieve and maintain his authority? Were Mongol rulers who split off from the khagan in Mongolia and converted to Islam really Muslims, or was this merely a facade to keep the faithful from revolting against their infidel rulers – a step that was necessary since they could no longer annihilate Muslim rebels to last man, woman and child without greatly diminishing their local power base (i.e. a troop levy and taxable population) independent of the Mongolian khagan?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Johann Ricke

    I don’t think it’s one or the other - these things tend to reinforce each other, e.g. the conflict between the Golden Horde and Ilkhanate. Religion and ideology may be invoked to settle other scores, but they have a habit of coopting the latter and developing lives of their own as THE ends of such conflicts.

  93. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    Look at any comments section on 6ixBuzz
     
    Lol that's kind of true, Brampton probably gets shit on the most. It's not really that bad of a place physically it's just ultra brown.

    But whites are also on open season, especially the lower class whites around Oshawa. Oshawa gets the second most hate.

    In turn, whites are fed up, and because blacks are a protected class, they don’t do anything about it.
     
    Same thing as in the UK. They actually hate the Pakis, but since that's not allowed they turn on the Poles.

    Immigrants to Canada and the USA quickly learn that blacks occupy the top victim spot.

    It's why in some ways I think the coming brown/yellow majority in Canada might not be so bad. Whites have proven to be unable to handle the negro question since the 1950s. But unfortunately the same white liberals are radicalizing the browns and yellows in school to make them hate whites, so we will be in position to be genocided.

    I hope one day we meet
     
    I will be headed to Toronto multiple times over the summer. I can slot in time to experience the race card between meeting with various other white nationalists lol.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    oshawa is a meh place. Pretty sure the GM plant closure will hurt em. Decent areas with some real sketchy places. less negroids so that’s good.

    They don’t hate the “Pakits”(watch your language). If anything, they have slight animosity towards mirpuris.

    Brampton is a beautiful place with stunning houses, gorgeous backyards, and it is a commercial hub with a thriving metropolis, close to the GTA.

    I sound like a damn realtor.

    But it’s true.
    The scenes are great. The Industry is thriving and growing day by the day.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Damn frog is lolling at me

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

  94. @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    Globally and historically, religious conflicts have been far more numerous and destructive than racial ones. Cultural values matter.
     
    I tend to lump religion into ideology. On the other hand, while ideology may, on the surface, be the source of these conflicts, the real question is whether, in many cases, they are merely pretexts used as useful rallying points for different factions contending for power and prestige. Was Mao Zedong really a communist, or was he merely an emperor using Marxist terminology to achieve and maintain his authority? Were Mongol rulers who split off from the khagan in Mongolia and converted to Islam really Muslims, or was this merely a facade to keep the faithful from revolting against their infidel rulers - a step that was necessary since they could no longer annihilate Muslim rebels to last man, woman and child without greatly diminishing their local power base (i.e. a troop levy and taxable population) independent of the Mongolian khagan?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I don’t think it’s one or the other – these things tend to reinforce each other, e.g. the conflict between the Golden Horde and Ilkhanate. Religion and ideology may be invoked to settle other scores, but they have a habit of coopting the latter and developing lives of their own as THE ends of such conflicts.

  95. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    oshawa is a meh place. Pretty sure the GM plant closure will hurt em. Decent areas with some real sketchy places. less negroids so that's good.



    They don't hate the "Pakits"(watch your language). If anything, they have slight animosity towards mirpuris.



    Brampton is a beautiful place with stunning houses, gorgeous backyards, and it is a commercial hub with a thriving metropolis, close to the GTA.


    I sound like a damn realtor.

    But it's true.
    The scenes are great. The Industry is thriving and growing day by the day.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    Damn frog is lolling at me

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    Brampton is a beautiful place with stunning houses, gorgeous backyards, and it is a commercial hub with a thriving metropolis, close to the GTA.
     
    Was looking for the LMAO button but had to settle on LOL

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  96. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Damn frog is lolling at me

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Brampton is a beautiful place with stunning houses, gorgeous backyards, and it is a commercial hub with a thriving metropolis, close to the GTA.

    Was looking for the LMAO button but had to settle on LOL

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It's the truth.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

  97. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Audacious Epigone

    Bruh another post I put effort into deleted.
    :(

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Audacious Epigone

    Just drop the dehumanizing language. Don’t refer to groups of people as non-human animals, talk about exterminating them, or use slurs that would have you thrown in jail up there in Canada.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Audacious Epigone

    I didn't. Bengali made the dehumanizing statements (about French-Canadians nonetheless) and my reply got deleted along with it. But of course you're blaming the hu-whyte man for the brown man's actions :(

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Audacious Epigone

  98. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    Brampton is a beautiful place with stunning houses, gorgeous backyards, and it is a commercial hub with a thriving metropolis, close to the GTA.
     
    Was looking for the LMAO button but had to settle on LOL

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    It’s the truth.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    OK, now you've gone too far

  99. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It's the truth.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    OK, now you’ve gone too far

  100. @Audacious Epigone
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Just drop the dehumanizing language. Don't refer to groups of people as non-human animals, talk about exterminating them, or use slurs that would have you thrown in jail up there in Canada.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I didn’t. Bengali made the dehumanizing statements (about French-Canadians nonetheless) and my reply got deleted along with it. But of course you’re blaming the hu-whyte man for the brown man’s actions 🙁

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Shut up racist. Stop victimblaming

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Then help me enforce my own guidelines by ignoring posts that violate our lovable community standards because they'll be deleted in due time.

  101. @Twinkie
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Try not to live up to the common perception around here of Indians as bullshit artists. The whole sentence is:


    The South Asian crime rate is not as impressive when you consider that they have very high average income and education attainment, which are negatively correlated with crime rate (esp. education).
     

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Stan d Mute

    Try not to live up to the common perception around here of Indians as bullshit artists.

    Is that the common perception? The point I keep making has to do with shit, to be sure, but not just bullshit. Over 600,000,000 Indians will shit on the street today. How many more will spend their entire lives obsessing over and picking up bovine shit or bathing in (or drinking) bovine urine?

    Some folks in my neighborhood have these little cartoonish signs in their lawn depicting a dog taking a crap with a red strike through circle overlaid. How do they know it’s a dog doing the business? And how long before someone makes signs with Indians instead of dogs?

  102. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Audacious Epigone

    I didn't. Bengali made the dehumanizing statements (about French-Canadians nonetheless) and my reply got deleted along with it. But of course you're blaming the hu-whyte man for the brown man's actions :(

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Audacious Epigone

    Shut up racist. Stop victimblaming

  103. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Audacious Epigone

    I didn't. Bengali made the dehumanizing statements (about French-Canadians nonetheless) and my reply got deleted along with it. But of course you're blaming the hu-whyte man for the brown man's actions :(

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Audacious Epigone

    Then help me enforce my own guidelines by ignoring posts that violate our lovable community standards because they’ll be deleted in due time.

  104. @Audacious Epigone
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Accelerationism has very limited appeal--to some subset of young men without families, just about no one else.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Accelerationism has very limited appeal–to some subset of young men without families, just about no one else.

    Count me as an outlier then. Because it’s despicable to shit on your children and grandchildren. Get the mess over with while I can still help them get through it. Passing the buck is a nutless Silent and Boomer move…

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Stan d Mute

    If you perceive crashing into the side of a mountain to be inevitable, it makes sense.

    If you still think there is the chance of a soft landing, though, it doesn't.

  105. @Stan d Mute
    @Audacious Epigone


    Accelerationism has very limited appeal–to some subset of young men without families, just about no one else.
     
    Count me as an outlier then. Because it’s despicable to shit on your children and grandchildren. Get the mess over with while I can still help them get through it. Passing the buck is a nutless Silent and Boomer move...

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    If you perceive crashing into the side of a mountain to be inevitable, it makes sense.

    If you still think there is the chance of a soft landing, though, it doesn’t.

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