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In the state of the union address, president Trump rejected calls for the US to adopt socialism (never mind all the socialism that had been proposed and celebrated during the preceding hour!). The term “socialism” is one he had, up to that point, studiously avoided using since commending his campaign in the summer of 2015. Employing it in the SOTU was a reactionary move in the literal sense of the word. In the ascent of Ocasio-Cortez, self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist who is less popular than is often assumed, Trump correctly identified a rhetorical opportunity. The DSA may be the driving force on the left but it is nearly as unpopular with the center as it is with Republicans.

From a recent Reuters-Ipsos poll, the percentages of respondents, by sex and party affiliation, who identify or strongly identify with the Democratic Socialists of America. “Don’t know/refused” responses, constituting one-third of the total respondent pool, are excluded:

Perhaps the most surprising result from the survey is the greater affinity for the DSA among men than among women. That Republican women are the least supportive of all isn’t particularly surprising. They tend to be married and have children and correctly perceive that socialism means taking their husbands’ earnings to give to other children instead of their own. Why male Democrats identify more strongly with the DSA than female Democrats do is a head-scratcher, though.

As the country continues to become less white it will continue to become more socialist:

The DSA goes marching through the institutions, particularly institutions of higher education:

As the generations that fought national socialism and then international socialism die off, socialism will take center stage in America. Things are going to get ugly.

 
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  1. I’m not saying things won’t get ugly, but that 6.7% figure for those 60+ would have been at least twice, perhaps three times, as high when that cohort was in its teens and twenties. Socialism is most appealing to the young, with their idealistic notions about human nature, and who think it should be easy to make society cough up socioeconomic outcomes that are pleasing to them, and who are typically ignorant of all such previous attempts and their lacklustre results.

    • Replies: @Travis
    , @3g4me
  2. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    What percentage of Americans knows what “democratic socialism” means and has heard of the DSA? I have a hard time believing that a third of blacks even understands the nuances of democratic socialism and has heard of the DSA organization.

    Most Americans of course have heard of “democratic” and “socialist”, so when you ask them about “democratic socialism”, they’re probably just going to combine the various connotations those terms have separately in their minds rather than understand what it means.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  3. Tyrion 2 says:

    Why male Democrats identify more strongly with the DSA than female Democrats do is a head-scratcher, though.

    I’m not surprised that left-wing women don’t like a political project with aspirations (in theory) for all, over one that simply seeks to “empower” them.

    As I now say to everyone who argues for any sort of identity based “affirmative” action: “I completely understand. I am also one hundred percent behind getting more representation for 4 foot tall people called “Tyrion 2″ in the best jobs and to be celebrated by society – there are currently none as billionaires nor prime-minister, let’s start with both and measure progress from there”.

    Their embarrassed reactions, after they have thought through what I am accusing them of, indicate that I have got to the root of the problem.

    • Replies: @dvorak
  4. dvorak says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Well said. Democratic politics are feminist and chivalrous; DSA/Communist politics are more sex-neutral and don’t treat women as yaaas-queens or holy bodies.

    DSA politics would have a leveling effect on men’s wealth/income, which women may perceive as making it harder to distinguish high from low-status men, an extremely important matter for women.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Rosie
  5. Trevor H. says:

    43%? That’s pretty amazing. And very close to the proportion of the same people who are in favor of curtailing free speech they don’t like. I’m amused by people who imagine some sort of struggle is underway. The struggle was effectively over and done with a few decades ago. The victory goes to the people who own the mass media.

  6. Lummard says:

    Why male Democrats identify more strongly with the DSA than female Democrats do is a head-scratcher, though.

    Not really.

    The majority of Democratic women are still white women, and many of them have college degrees and/or are single and/or childless. The DSA platform doesn’t do much for them.

    They can get what they want (preservation and extension of abortion rights, generous benefits after a divorce, “Believe the Women” standards for reports of sexual misconduct, etc.) from the “normal” Democrats.

    The majority of Democratic men, however, are not white, and the “redistribution” part of the DSA program is very appealing for them.

    Your second graph confirms this. Blacks and Hispanics see the DSA more favorably than Jews, Whites or Asians. It’s about “gibsmedat”.

  7. Mitleser says:

    Perhaps the most surprising result from the survey is the greater affinity for the DSA among men than among women. That Republican women are the least supportive of all isn’t particularly surprising. They tend to be married and have children and correctly perceive that socialism means taking their husbands’ earnings to give to other children instead of their own. Why male Democrats identify more strongly with the DSA than female Democrats do is a head-scratcher, though.

    Explained here: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/female-suffrage/

    Women are, fundamentally, conformists. That is, they choose the “handshakeworthy” option largely regardless of ideology.

    However, what constitutes “handshakeworthy” has differed down the ages.

    Two to three generations ago, it was well known that European women voted relatively more for Christian conservative parties. In most countries, more women than men consider themselves religious, while far more men subscribe to outright atheism; a vast socio-demographic echo from centuries past, when religion was the bedrock of society as opposed to just another consumer item.

    Almost no women voted for the Nazis in the 1920s, even relative to the men, when they were still considered a freak-show; however, many more of them voted for religious nationalist parties, while far fewer voted for the Communists, while support for the Social Democrats was about equal across sexes. However, by the time of Germany’s last free elections, support for the Nazis by sex was equalizing. If a free vote had been held in Nazi Germany by the late 1930s, I suspect Hitler would have done relatively better with the women.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  8. Passer by says:

    The Reuters poll did not predict the 2018 elections results properly and overestimated female support for Republicans.

  9. Lummard says:

    Socialism is all about transferring money from those who are seen as “oppressors” to the “oppressed”, and that’s based on who earns more than whom. Beyond its complex academic justifications, socialism in practice is really easy to understand: you’re richer than me, so I deserve your money.

    The 20th century versions of socialism were all about transferring money from the “capitalist classes” to the “proletariat”. Ultimately it didn’t work out, because the economy isn’t just a matter of transferring money from A to B in a zero-sum game. Instead capitalism raised the quality of life across all social and economic classes, and that’s why it won.

    (Yes, of course, I’m simplifying things a lot, but I don’t think I need to go through the specifics).

    Socialism is always attractive to relatively poorer people, though. Even if you have a fridge full of food, a roof over your head, a TV, decent health, a cell phone, decent clothes, and even a car, there’s ALWAYS going to be someone richer than you, who has an easier life than you.

    And of course some people are going to have food insecurity, or crappy cars, or shitty houses, even in rich countries.

    Whites in the US are richer, at least on a statistical level, than Blacks and Hispanics. The 21st century version of socialism (now based on identity rather than class, for a lot of reasons I won’t go into) tells them that this is because whites are “the oppressors” and they are “oppressed”, so it’s only fair that they get what the whites have.

    College students are also struggling with student debt, especially if they graduated in useless subjects that don’t allow them to get good jobs. So they’re also pretty easy to convince that they are being “oppressed” by people who have less money issues than them.

    Asians and Jews vote more for Democrats in the United States (because of the implicit “white” nature of the Republican Party), but since they make more money than Blacks or Hispanics they’re not so keen about socialism, unless they’re college students burdened by student debt.

    As a Republican with Libertarian tendencies who also cares about the European identity of the United States, I think that the shift to the left of the Democratic Party is both inevitable and welcome: it makes the choice much more clear.

    As the United States get “browner” they’ll also get “redder”. White people will have to wonder whether they like giving their money to Blacks and Hispanics or not. No more middle ground.

    Hell, it’s even possible than Asians and Jews might vote less Democratic if it’ll become clear that they won’t be spared by the “reparations”.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  10. Why would 7.6% of Republicans favor Democratic Socialism? If you favor Democratic Socialism, why would you be a Republican?

    I’m convinced that the Margin of Moron in these polls is at least 10%.

  11. The future of a politically successful Right in America is gibs for whites. Just don’t call it “socialism.”
    America will be a pretty dreary place.

  12. “Why male Democrats identify more strongly with the DSA than female Democrats do is a head-scratcher, though.”

    Perhaps it is because of the same reason female Republicans don’t support it, or at least in part. The overall amount of D females with kids is certainly less than R females, but they are out there, like every aunt and first cousin of mine on my father’s side. (6 aunts and 8 female 1st cousins) It certainly fits with the “socialism for thee, but not for me” hypocritic oath all Democrats must swear to…

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  13. Travis says:
    @silviosilver

    good point, I was a socialist at 18 and a libertarian by age 24 before gradually becoming a conservative and would be considered alt-right today. Having children earlier would have hastened the transition. Trump was the first GOP candidate whom I voted for, but I have never voted for a Democrat, the first time I voted was for Ross Perot in 1992. when I was 22, then voted for Libertarians until Trump. Eventually many of these Millennials will become conservative when they have children.

  14. Things are going to get ugly.

    Indeed, A.E.! Hist0ry may not repeat but it seems to rhyme pretty well. The trick is to spend years purposefully destroying the institutions and pushing for a huge government that enables big-business to operate in a way that does not resemble capitalism/free-market in the least. Then, they can rail against “capitalism”, as bad as it’s been for us lately, and push for the true solution, Socialism followed by Communism, cause, it just wasn’t quite tweaked enough the last 8 times it was tried on a large scale.

    100 years ago society in Russia, then Germany, was degraded in various ways, through war and cultural destruction, so that the Commies would have something to rail about. They got their way with the former nation, but ran into some backlash, causing its own headaches with the latter.

    It’s been an even century, so I suppose this should all be expected. See also “Commies crawling out of the wordwork… it’s about that time .”.

  15. Regarding that 2nd bar-graph – you’d think that it would be a wake-up call to the Reason-mag type Libertarians. Sure, you want to stick to your principles; I have no problem with that in general. I don’t think Libertarian principles, however, would include open borders, and the lack of national sovereignty and rule by world government that would result, far from it in fact.

    Just common sense, though, would tell one that we are not importing future Reason magazine readers! People that came from the 3rd-world think like people in the 3rd-world. There is no space in their minds for concepts like strict property rights, freedom of speech and association, due process, etc. The freedom that Americans enjoyed at a level far higher than any nation in history before or since was only possible due to the concepts ingrained in the British culture after a thousand year struggle against rule of men.

    Even the immigrants of the 1880’s through 1924 took very long to assimilate and come to grips with these concepts, and they’re still not all straight on it. In fact, many of their descendants have been the upper-midwest Socialists and the Jewish hard-left that have causes us the grief we endure now.

    Open-borders Libertarians: You are advocating the importation of an overwhelming vote against your principles. Most people would call that retarded. (Me, I’m tryin’ to be nice.)

    .

    * BTW, why blue for Jews? (Israeli flag star color?) I couldn’t think of a specific color off-hand either. I’m still very glad your race/ethnicity graphs are immediately interpret-able. Just the political incorrectness of it alone makes me happy.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  16. Why male Democrats identify more strongly with the DSA than female Democrats do is a head-scratcher, though.

    Spend a few minutes browsing the Chapo Trap House subreddit and you’ll have your answer.

  17. @Cloudbuster

    I’m convinced that the Margin of Moron in these polls is at least 10%.

    That or the Margin of Troll. Whenever I have been asked poll type questions I always give them the most retarded answer I can devise on the spur of the moment. For the US Census, I have been for decades a Pygmy. Fuck them. Mind your own fucking business bitches. That’s the Stan D Mute way, never help your enemies and never incriminate yourself.

  18. @Stan d Mute

    For the US Census, I have been for decades a Pygmy. Fuck them. Mind your own fucking business bitches. That’s the Stan D Mute way, never help your enemies and never incriminate yourself.

    It’s a crime to lie on the U.S. Census. You can be fined $500!

  19. But Hispanics are natural conservatives! If we just let in more of their cousins, they’ll feel much more at home, and integrate more, becoming right wing capitalists.

    Republicans are the dumbest people on the planet.

  20. Jason Liu says:

    It’s not a head scratcher, men are just more ideological than women (with the exception of feminism of course, but that’s self-interest)

    Social democrat circles are entirely filled with “Brocialists”, “Berniebros”, and assorted neckbeards of that variety.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  21. J1234 says:

    Democratic Socialists of America Please Stand Up

    Or better yet, raise your hands so we can take a photo of you and tell everyone it’s a Nazi salute…which (because of your politics) will never become news.

    The 10.5% of Republican men who are on board with democratic socialism are a little perplexing at first, but I’m guessing that there are a lot of Republicans – especially among Catholics – who are Republican mostly because of the abortion issue. (Also, it’s plausible that the bread winners for large Catholic families with five or more kids would be on board because of the high cost of health care, college tuition, etc. That describes a good neighbor of ours who had nothing good to say about Obama, but sure wanted to take advantage of Obama care. )

    I think AE’s theory about Republican women being a lower percentage than men makes sense. Also, he’s correct when he says things will get ugly. I see a civil war, of sorts, within the next 10 to 40 years, depending on electoral and social outcomes.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  22. @Stan d Mute

    Haha, Pygmie! You guys would be getting some of that AA any time, if you’d just get your sorry asses out of the bush and do some lobbying for cryin’ out loud!

    I told the census guy two decades in a row that the US Constitution says he just needed to know how many people live here – 1 and 1 cat (at the time). I have never filled out any form from them, unless it was to just put one number down, but I just recall a guy coming around, and I was outside.

    I ran into a problem registering a kid for kindergarten. The whole thing is on-line, Stan, and it will not let you put “N/A” for ANYTHING. I made up all kinds of stuff that was none of their damn business. Oh, somebody wrote a song about this.

    Don’t ask me no questions, and I won’t tell you no lies.:

    I’d thought that was a cover, but no, it was written by Gary Rossington and Ronnie Van Zant.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  23. @Cloudbuster

    It’s a crime to lie on the Ut.S. Census. You can be fined $500!

    The Marquis de Queensbury says “Hey”, Cloudbuster, and “Thanks for playing by the rules.”

  24. @Achmed E. Newman

    So you’re the crazy wine mom cat lady – just the male version of it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  25. @Cloudbuster

    It’s a crime to lie on the U.S. Census. You can be fined $500!

    If a faggot in a dress can identify as a woman, if Shaun King can identify as a negro, I sure as hell can identify as a six and a half foot tall blond haired Pygmy.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  26. @Stan d Mute

    I was just teasing you about the “never incriminate yourself.” 😉

  27. @Travis

    that’s assuming they have children.

    • Replies: @216
  28. 3g4me says:
    @silviosilver

    @1 silviosilver: “Socialism is most appealing to the young, with their idealistic notions about human nature, and who think it should be easy to make society cough up socioeconomic outcomes that are pleasing to them, and who are typically ignorant of all such previous attempts and their lacklustre results.”

    Yes and no – at least in my own case (and I do tend to be a unicorn in all sorts of contexts). Even when I was young and still identified as a liberal democrat just as I had been raised, I was still strongly individualistic and didn’t agree with generous welfare policies or any outflow from common funds that an individual did not merit or earn. Now that I am much older and, one hopes, a bit wiser, I realize that regardless of my intellect and/or drive, I could have never achieved what I did except via the institutions and culture built over centuries by Europeans and Americans. Those people who founded schools to train preachers, or doctors, who enabled exploration or travel – and who often didn’t even feel the need to put their name on anything in large letters (every time we pass the “Edna L. Zale Center” en route to my husband’s office he feels compelled to snark and one cannot blame him). Now that I am so much more understanding and appreciative of the benefits of community (even while preferring my own company more often than many) I am far more sympathetic to policies such as those espoused by Tucker Carlson recently on his famed broadcast. Policies which help White families and therefore social trust and cohesion.

    I still want an individual family bunker, but I well understand the absolute need to be in a community of bunkers, with common goals and common defense. If that means lending a helping hand to others on occasion, I can fully get behind it – those temporarily unable to work or intellectually unsuited to a particular situation, not those unwilling to work or unfit for Western civilization. It’s key to understanding the hard right’s nonconformity re economic models – while I’d rather not have Swedish-style socialism, if it is by and for only White people, then it will probably work fairly well. The economics is far secondary to the culture. Courtesy of modern mass education/media indoctrination, the young know only a little about economics and less than nothing about their people or culture (particularly if White), thus their predictable support for stupidity of all sorts.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  29. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Yeah, sure, whatever you say. I’ve written quite a number of comments under A.E.’s posts already, and if that’s what you get out of it, you may not have much of a memory. We just did get a new cat though, but he’s not on the census yet.

    (BTW, you usually have good comments on here, but if an insult will be your first reply to me, screw you – you deserve what’s coming. I know that you know it’s gonna be ugly, per A.E.’s words just now.)

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  30. but if an insult will be your first reply to me, screw you – you deserve what’s coming.

    Hey relax I’m just poking a bit of fun. Nothing personal. Maybe I should’ve made it clearer in the original reply LOL.

    you usually have good comments on here

    Thanks. I try.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  31. @Ledford Ledford

    exactly correct. real Democratic Socialists are absolutely terrified at the prospect of Right Wingers understanding and embracing progressive economics (this should be a mandatory read for everybody as “Current Affairs” is the most important and generally impressive Socialist publication out there):

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/11/what-the-left-must-fight-against

    Tucker+Richard Spencer (and even now Heartiste….after i dunked on him mercilessly, pre-him banning me for realtalk) understand that until the Right accepts that the current system–whereby rich elites of both parties profit from unfettered immigration that they’ll never see the costs of–needs to be corrected, you’re useless.

    if “”Socialism”” means taxing the fuck out of the uberrich in the name of:
    –everybody having access to medicine and treatments without fear of bankruptcy
    –not having to go insanely into debt just to get an education
    –women getting to spend more time with their kids, and not worrying about how they’ll pay for childcare after

    then bring on the Socialism NOW!

    pair the above with restrictionist immigration to keep wages high and public schools higher quality, and congrats, you have a Right wing that’s relevant/meaningful again. stop fighting all the endlessly expensive dumbass wars, and holy shit, you might actually…dare i say it…Make America Great Again!

    this will never happen, because BoomerCons and Basic Bitch “”Conservatives”” (what have you conserved exactly??) like Ben Shapiro and Ace of Spades and apparently AE are too reflexively stupid to comprehend “maybe we should consider taxing the obscenely wealthy for the sake of building a better society” is a good idea no matter what you call it.

    i look forward to a bunch of limp dicked heehawing about “managerial difficulties” and “you need a homogenous ethnostate before any of that would ever work” aka “oh no, gibs!!!”

    p.s. every explanation for why more Men are into DSA than women that talks about “durr, minorities want free shit” is exactly wrong–DSA is the whitest organization you can imagine–and every explanation that is “uh, have you *seen* what Chapo fans look like?” are exactly correct. they’re not called “Brocialists” for nothing…

  32. peterAUS says:
    @Big Dick Bandit

    Tucker+Richard Spencer (and even now Heartiste….after i dunked on him mercilessly, pre-him banning me for realtalk) understand that until the Right accepts that the current system–whereby rich elites of both parties profit from unfettered immigration that they’ll never see the costs of–needs to be corrected, you’re useless.

    if “”Socialism”” means taxing the fuck out of the uberrich in the name of:
    –everybody having access to medicine and treatments without fear of bankruptcy
    –not having to go insanely into debt just to get an education
    –women getting to spend more time with their kids, and not worrying about how they’ll pay for childcare after

    then bring on the Socialism NOW!

    pair the above with restrictionist immigration to keep wages high and public schools higher quality, and congrats, you have a Right wing that’s relevant/meaningful again. stop fighting all the endlessly expensive dumbass wars, and holy shit, you might actually…dare i say it…Make America Great Again!

    Pretty much.

    Although, not quite sure that Spencer, for example, would agree with “restrictionist immigration” if not based on race.

    All roads lead to National Socialism, looks like it? Well, except Fuhrer principle and a couple of other things as well.
    I don’t think anybody/anything can make America Great Again. It’s possible, in theory at this stage, to make America Great, but not America of the past (again). Some…say…new America. Say, “Founding Fathers a bit revised”.
    Blasphemy, isn’t it?

    And, at the end of the day, looks more like it some other parties will start that process and it won’t come from “top” but “bottom”.
    Long story, so we’ll pass………

    • Replies: @Ledford Ledford
  33. @Big Dick Bandit

    Your economic Socialism REQUIRES Big Government. You’ve got Big Government right now, up the wazoo, wouldn’t you say? How well is “our” Big Government listening to the average American who has not wanted more immigration every since anyone’s been asking? (I’m reading Tucker’s Ship of Fools just today, and he mentioned this.)

    Do you think your own version of Big Government will listen to you when you tell them you want to have a white country? They’re going to do whatever the hell they want, just like they’ve been doing. They only answer to those providing the big money, not the poor responsible working man that provides years of his life for your wonderful system.

    Socialism is organized Cuck-dom.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Big Dick Bandit
  34. @peterAUS

    Denmark seems to be the closest to following the National Democratic Socialism route today. Immigration restriction + generous welfare state. “National Democracy,” by the way, sounds better than NS.

    I think “it can’t be done here because USA isn’t ethnically homogeneous” is probably right.
    What I wonder: will a dysfunctional welfare state and corresponding hobbled economy discourage immigrants? Immigrants seem to prefer Texas to Massachusetts. If we turned Health and Human Services over to Ocasio-Cortez, could her managerial genius frighten migrants and save America?

    It’s very important, regardless of whether you want competent or incompetent socialism, to make the Democratic party look like the New Americans. Either we win and MAGA, or they win and stink up the place.

  35. 216 says:
    @krustykurmudgeon

    A large portion of Millennials are never going to marry, which will have echoes for decades to come.

    For a useless anecdote, I’ve never been on a date since graduating college, and I doubt I will be anytime soon. I don’t have any married friends, and I only know of a few acquitances that are married. I do know several working class friends that had kids out of wedlock.

    Women hold 2/3rds of the student debt in this country, while being only 3/5ths of the students. Most of these women were expecting to live a bourgeois lifestyle and “marry up”. If they can’t, they will be voting Dem to ensure “respect” and debt forgiveness. Boomercons, including President Boomercon, have not helped by treating their requests with mockery.

    At least among the professional class, it is still considered wrong to have children before marrying. So if a couple feels they are not stable enough to marry, they won’t be having kids. And unlike the underclass, they actually take their pills correctly. Again, on a personal basis I consider this to be an incredibly shameful act.

    What I (humorously?) predict is that in the 2020s there will be a significant group of women that will either move towards polyamory or demand “state-provided husbands” when they start approaching 40. We’re going to see a “conservative feminism” arise that will shame men for not getting married and “screwing up feminism”. The mental gymnastics needed will be completed quicker than anyone thought possible.

  36. vok3 says:

    This is an excellent documentary on the Spanish Civil War. There are tons of parallels with the situation in the USA today:

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  37. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    OK, fair enough, that’s just as I was to Cloudbuster, no LOL, but sometimes that blows the joke . We need a big pallet of emoticons. RONALD! (that was also a joke.)

  38. @216

    For a useless anecdote, I’ve never been on a date since graduating college, and I doubt I will be anytime soon.

    Why not? A failure to produce 3+ white children means a failure in life (unless you achieve other great things, like a certain A.H). You have to get yourself out there.

    But ultimately, I do think that it’s harder for millenials to find a partner. Crazy feminist women, and a lack of religious connections. Once university is finished you’re basically on your own – it’s hard making social connections. People aren’t nearly as open as boomers are to new friends; it’s very clannish and insular.

    Go golfing with a group of boomers, and it’s all jolly laughing, make you feel included in the group. Go with millenials and they’re probably barely speaking to each other. The quips they do make are inside jokes. This sort of social network makes it quite hard to meet women outside of work/dating apps.

    • Replies: @216
  39. utu says:

    Things are going to get ugly.

    It is a very good thing. Only socialists can stop immigration.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  40. @216

    Many days and years shall ye be troubled, ye careless women: for the vintage shall fail, the gathering shall not come.
    Isaiah 32:10

  41. The term “socialism” is one he had, up to that point, studiously avoided using since commending his campaign in the summer of 2015.

    Maybe, but in numerous pre-election rallies he had a great time mocking Bernie as a communist, which he surely is.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  42. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Eh, I’m more a fan of arranged marriages, tbh.

  43. @3g4me

    I don’t disagree with anything you said here. My ideal would be something like the ‘Nordic model’ (minus the diversity). But even in that society there is still considerable inequality, and far left (true) socialist types who blame it all on ‘the system’ and incessantly demand the system be torn down so that something can, finally, be done about it. There is a considerable psychological difference between people who support certain institutions because they believe these will lead to improved outcomes for people and create a stronger community and country, and people who are obsessed with the “social justice” aspect of it, who are motivated by extreme envy, who are enraged by the thought that there should ever be any social distinction between individuals, and obsessed with political correctness and thought-control. To me, it’s the latter who qualify as real socialists. This distinction is largely maintained in Europe, but in America the former are also hit with the same label, so there’s often confusion about just who and what is being referred to by ‘socialist.’

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @scrivener3
    , @Mr McKenna
  44. peterAUS says:
    @Ledford Ledford

    Denmark seems to be the closest to following the National Democratic Socialism route today. Immigration restriction + generous welfare state. “National Democracy,” by the way, sounds better than NS.

    Well….except “democracy” as it is now.
    If….IF….that entity had “democracy” as in times when it was devised (Athens…..) then, probably.

    Or…..people can vote if they are qualified to vote. Driving, for example?

    I guess that smart people do know that dark, O.K. dark gray, heart of immigration issue. The rest are just either hypocrites or simply willfully delusional.
    And, no, it’s not just about new religion, progtards, big business and, naturally, Dem Joos. Nope….
    It’s about an average white person in that state/country. From white trash to upper middle class. All…..of….them. All of them don’t mind, actually, they like that Third World immigration. I know I won’t make any friends here for stating that (to say I don’t give a shit what people here…whatever).

    All this “immigration” thing should start with a good honest and hard look at the mirror. Hehe….funny, a?

    And, people in power know all that. That’s why they have power and people like us bitch and moan here. They know an average person. How….how to put it politely….full of shit that person really is.

    “We” don’t mind cheap labor, goods and services when they suit us. The sense of superiority when dealing with those immigrants. We do mind plenty of jobs we know must be done…but it’s O.K. if done by somebody else.
    We just want our cake and eat it.

    All this uproar, recently, about immigration is about an average middle class drone started to realize that they are on the losing end of the game. So far it’s been just those working stiffs, so who cared?
    But, we still like cheap Asian produce and services, cheap Third World labor tending our lawns, cleaning our houses, and in general doing all that nasty work we don’t want to do. For pittance, naturally.

    Ain’t gonna work.

    Maybe one day “we” will be forced to think, hard. Forced. Trade some comfort (oh, horror) for some principles and simple common sense.

    Until then, well…..welcome to “globo-homo” world.
    My take: 20/80 former/later.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  45. @utu

    Ron, where’s the [RETARDED] button? I swear it used to be here.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  46. @Achmed E. Newman

    if that’s what you get out of it, you may not have much of a memory

    Well Achmed, in all fairness to the kid,

    (1). He’s a Canuck, so he can’t help being a bit slow
    (2). You are a crazy cat, so he was half right

  47. @Achmed E. Newman

    thank you for your textbook example of a nonsensical limpdick heehaw! it will be added to the dictionary entry for “Useless Conservatives”

    whenever anybody (for example, Tucker…might wanna read that book all the way through) says “we should tax the rich to pay for solvent healthcare/education/families” you can expect that mindless, loyal “”conservatives”” (or, even better, “”libertarians””) will bleat about BIG GOVERNMENT!!!11!!

    we’re talking about taxing rich elites to make things better for the common folk, and your response is…..the elites won’t listen to us? yeah, you don’t say! that’s why we’re *taking their ill gotten gains* and giving them to everyday people.

  48. @Stan d Mute

    Can’t believe I wasted my troll button on you.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  49. @Big Dick Bandit

    we should tax the rich to pay

    What do you mean “we”? Who’s that “we” that’s gonna go levy and collect those taxes? Kids Socialist kids say the darndest things.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  50. Well,

    whites don’t generally call what they embrace socialism.

    SS
    Medicare
    Medicare
    Grants and Subsidies
    Bailouts
    Healthcare — though at the moment remains a mercantilist’s dream, in my view

    And what is driving this among the educated is not color politics, not even among blacks, it’s the apparent abuses of the system which gets further support by members of the political class. And considering the power dynamic of money in US history, those who are most effected negatively are going to blame the established order, if that order appears hostile.

    And our system has a tenuous hold on “capitalism” as a fair tool in providing wealth distributed across the population. And that is very sad.

  51. @Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, 38% of black respondents said they didn’t know–those responses are excluded entirely–so that covers at least some of those who haven’t heard of the DSA.

  52. Rosie says:
    @dvorak

    DSA politics would have a leveling effect on men’s wealth/income, which women may perceive as making it harder to distinguish high from low-status men, an extremely important matter for women.

    Nope. What is going on here is the greater tendency among women to avoid what are perceived as radical or fringe labels and identities.

    If you ask instead whether women support socialist policies, my guess is you get a different answer altogether.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Rosie
  53. @Trevor H.

    The impending economic catastrophe will shake things up. It’s not over.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  54. @Lummard

    I wonder what effect social media has on amplifying those feelings of insecurity about not being able to measure up. Surely hasn’t helped.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  55. @Cloudbuster

    Fair question, though presidential election polls show 5%-10% of Republicans voting Democrat and vice-ver-sa. Nazbol “Republicans”, maybe? That doesn’t get us to nearly 8% though.

  56. @Ledford Ledford

    Impending racial spoils system. Diversity is our strength!

  57. @Achmed E. Newman

    Demographics are destiny, electorally and otherwise.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  58. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Women are less likely to vote for radical right parties in Europe despite the fact that “they generally do not differ from men in their level of nativism, authoritarianism or discontent with democracy.”

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0031322X.2015.1024399

  59. @Anatoly Karlin

    Touche. First and last visit there, btw!

  60. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    They’re not called the Stupid Party for nothing.

  61. Rosie says:
    @dvorak

    If you were correct, young women, presumably in the market for a mate, would have supported Hillary over Bernie. They didn’t.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/bernie-sanders-gloria-steinem-women-voters-men-hillary-clinton

  62. @Big Dick Bandit

    The DSA slate of candidates are not white–especially white male–beyond a few tokens. And the support is much less white than the country as a whole.

    That said, the increasingly overt racialism of the DSA presents deft Republican pols an opportunity. Kris K0bach understood it (he earned the firefighter union’s endorsement, for example) but unfortunately couldn’t manage to win the governorship here.

    • Replies: @Big Dick Bandit
  63. @Ledford Ledford

    Or political dissolution happens. Preferably peacefully, but we’ll see.

  64. @Bragadocious

    “Communist” is still a bad word in the US and suspect it will never be taken seriously. “Socialist” increasingly is not a bad word and is taken seriously.

  65. @Stan d Mute

    (3) I’ll have an occasional glass (or swig) of wine. It’s usually Lambrusco or MD-20-20 though. The crazy cat ladies drink the higher status wines (it all tastes the same though), unless they are indigent crazy cat ladies.

  66. In the U.S., 15% of the population lives below the poverty line. For children under the age of 18, that number increases to 20%. The vast majority of the American middle class is only one missed paycheck away from poverty. About 78% of workers in the United States are living paycheck to paycheck

    Only 39% of Americans actually have enough money to cover a $1000 emergency. Nearly 3 in 4 workers say they are in debt and of those, more than half think they always will be, according to statistics posted by Forbes. Any rise in fuel prices or the cost of food could leave some Americans with the tough choice of eating or paying the car payment.

    69 percent of Americans had less than $1,000 in total savings and 34 percent had no savings at all. That means many Americans would have to put an emergency expense on a credit card or borrow money another way just to cover the cost of a $1000 expense.

    One in seven Americans (45.4 million) depends on food stamps, according to Bloomberg News.

    The monthly income for the average family of four is less than what the average member of the Forbes Top 20 made in one second at the office. One in five (22%) can’t cover all their current month’s bills, and one in four skipped a medical treatment in the past year due to an inability to pay. Some of those use credit cards in between paychecks to scrape by and many know that they will be unable to pay back the money they have already borrowed.

    Billionaires whose ranks swelled from 322 in 2000 to 1,826 in 2015. Billionaires control the vast majority of the world’s wealth, 67 billionaires already own half the world’s assets; by 2100 we’ll have 11 trillionaires, while American worker income has stagnated for a generation. For the vast majority of the world, capitalism is a failure. Billions live on less than two dollars a day. If you could gather together the world’s 200 richest individuals, ask each one his or her net worth, get the actual numbers from Forbes, and then add it all up, the total would be more than the total wealth of half the population of the world, 3.5 billion people.

    Fund managers at global financial institutions own the majority (70%) of the public stock exchange. These absent owners have no stake in the communities in which the companies operate. Furthermore, management-controlled equity is concentrated in the hands of a select few: the CEO and other senior executives. Tax expenditures, which are deductions and exemptions that primarily benefit the highest-earning individuals, cost about 8% of the GDP, the same percentage that goes to Social Security and Medicare.

    Corporations have doubled their profits and cut their taxes in half in ten years. The burden of taxes, has been shifted to workers. For every dollar of employee payroll tax paid in the 1950s corporations paid three dollars. Now it’s 22 cents.

    Average American goes to jail for smoking a joint, Meanwhile, not a single banker was arrested for these actions:
    -HSBC Bank laundered money for Mexican drug cartels.
    -Goldman Sachs designed and sold mortgage packages that were meant to fail.
    -Bank of America and Lehman Brothers hid billions of dollars of bonuses and loans from investors.

    America is now reaching the point where the youngest generation of its former middle-class are seeing a system that will provide less opportunity than it did for not only their parents, but grandparents.

    $38 billion++ for Israel to pay for their citizens universal health care and free college tuition, but its somehow bad to do the same for Americans??

    $800 billion++ to the Pentagon/MIC to piss away on losing wars, or just outright stolen.

    Woo Hoo Capitalism!!

    But right wingers still don’t understand why young people and even older people are turning against the status quo???? Make all the excuses you want, can’t deny reality.

    New medical bankruptcy study: Two-thirds of filers cite illness and medical bills as contributors to financial ruin
    http://pnhp.org/news/new-medical-bankruptcy-study-two-thirds-of-filers-cite-illness-and-medical-bills-as-contributors-to-financial-ruin/

  67. @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t think English is utu’s first language so perhaps something got lost in translation. Perhaps he will elaborate.

    • Replies: @utu
  68. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    And the evidence for this is . . .

    exactly nonexistent.

    The hispanic population has a very keen sense of political winds and bends to wherever said wind blows . . . .

    Nonsense, you are pandering, but it appears you have come to the right place. Ahh, that La raza no bigger conservative organization in the country —

    good grief, what nonsense.

  69. @redmudhooch

    You realize that what you describe is not capitalism.

    The difference is that corporations now act as nation states at least it is moving ij that direction.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @utu
  70. @EliteCommInc.

    You realize that what you describe is not capitalism.

    I agree, E.C., but I’ve gone over it with this guy before. As I wrote above, it works out great for the Commies to redefine the current near-fascist crony-capitalist system in America today as “Capitalism”. A good understanding of that would make this guy’s life meaningless.

    As for your reply just now to our Kaybecken commenter, I’m pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  71. Jay Fink says:
    @Travis

    I made the very liberal to very conservative journey without having any children.

  72. @Audacious Epigone

    https://newrepublic.com/article/152789/americas-socialists-race-problem

    as of last year, DSA membership was 90% White. 90%. *NINETY*. you have no clue what you’re talking about.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  73. @redmudhooch

    i applaud you for attempting to educate the drooling rageboomers here. best of luck!

  74. scrivener3 says: • Website
    @silviosilver

    Why the fixation on income? Tall men get lots more women, even causal hookups after wedding and social occasions with no responsibility. That is a lot more satisfying than income. Men earn income to get women and if the women come for free .. . .well. Why not some social justice program to finally give justice to short man?

  75. HBS says:
    @Ledford Ledford

    To counter the Green New Deal, call it the White New Deal.

  76. utu says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I thought than any moderately intelligent person, including Achmed, should get it by now that if you want to stop the immigration you need a populist moment that will include elements of the traditional left that was concerned with the economic issues like wages, job security and much more. The appearance of socialists on the left is a good thing because the left that we had since Clinton is the cultural Marxist left that abandoned traditional concerns about the economic justice and concentrated only on what they call a social justice. The new post-Clinton left is de facto a useful idiot of neoliberalism just like libertarians are on the right. This two groups which now are in the center can be defeated only if the nationalists on the right are able to attract the socialist from the left. In other words you need to combine socialism with nationalism. But for obvious reasons you do not want to call it a national socialism. In a populist movement you fold the left and the right or rather their extreme factions together to fight the middle. Remember that Trump was elected because he offered economic hope for the middle and lower middle class. If he just kept yapping about the wall and crimes of illegal immigrant he would got nowhere. Hitler would got nowhere if he just talked about the Jews. TBTB, the oligarchy, the Deep State fear the populism because a populist movement can pose a real threat to them. Nobody else, no other political movement, can challenge them. That’s why they attacked on the deplorability front but never mentioned the economic issues front. For them the fight on deplorability front is a turkey shoot. We loose every time. But on the economic issues front they can’t win. They win only by distraction and division. Only the economic issues can push the movement beyond the critical point. This is why I wrote that “[o]nly socialists can stop immigration.”

    You can check my exchange with Karlin where I argue that basing nationalism on HBD narrative is the is a suicide for the nationalist movement and those who push it like him or Sailer easily could be labeled as a fifth columns.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/ireland-scandal/#comment-3037287
    The HBD strategy will not gain any traction. It is a non starter. Linking HBD to nationalism means a suicide for nationalism. Politics is the art of the possible. You do not order your troops to charge the entrenched media machine gun nests up the hill. It would be a massacre and the end of nationalism. You do not do it in particular when you have not that many troops. How many incels you have? You are not in Zhukov’s position who could afford wasting many lives. So stop dreaming of Zhukov and better listen to Bismarck. The strategy must in the first place be attractive to the new recruits who only can come form the side to the left of your position. And they will come from the traditional left if you include the anti-neoliberal program. The traditional left plus the far right against the middle = populism.

    The HBD unrealistic strategy that has a zero chance for success will only bring the Okuspearchuckers sooner lusting for blood afer being energized by your HBD ideology. It will take lots of leg spreading by white women to pacify them and even some of your incel soldiers will be liberated from their incelhoods.

    The problem posed by the Okuspearchuckers can be solved very simply. Only the vectors must be reversed so the policies we advocate are palatable to our allies on the left. We the nationalists practice compassionate nationalism not only for us but for everybody on the planet. We do not want to deplete homelands of the Okuspearchuckers from their most dynamic, risk taking and smartest individuals and rather we want to see them contributing to the development of their countries. We the compassionate nationalist do not continue the shameful practice of brain draining of the less developed countries which gave us wealth and the white privilege . We the compassionate nationalists do not approve of self-hating nationalists who abandon their countries instead of staying there helping to develop them. For these reasons the Okuspearchuckers will not be let in to our countries.

    Furthermore, we the compassionate nationalists believe that Okuspearchuckers can develop their countries and possibly in the future with some help from more developed countries which will be gladly provided by us, partly to compensate the unjust white privilege, the countries of the Okuspearchuckers will reach our level. To prove that we mean it and that we are saying it in a good faith we will round up and place in the rehab centers all propagandists professing that this is impossible on the account of hateful IQ and HBD false theories. The proscriptions list are being prepared as we speak. We will be getting to the letter K soon.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Mr McKenna
  77. @Achmed E. Newman

    i don’t think the establishment has any clue how deep the fissures are after the 2007 — mess.

    I don’t recall replying to that monicker/name.

  78. @Achmed E. Newman

    What do you mean “we”? Who’s that “we” that’s gonna go levy and collect those taxes? Kids Socialist kids say the darndest things.

    I have to disagree. I think it’s libertardians who say the darndest things. Seriously, what is the great mystery about who this “we” is? It obviously refers to government, backed by men with guns, and empowered by the electorate. It’s not as if the incomes of “the rich” haven’t been taxed for over century now, such that we still have to answer momentous questions like just who the “we” is that is going to be doing the taxing, come off it.

    You don’t even have to believe that wealth of the rich is “ill gotten” like the clueless dipshit you were replying to above. You just have to believe that the rich are still going to have more than enough even after exorbitant taxes and since there are very important and necessary things that can be done with those taxes, go ahead and tax them. Most people seem to agree – after all, this is nothing new, it’s been this way for decades now. And contra libertardian fear-mongering, it hasn’t “destroyed” the economy or prevented anyone from being able to get and stay rich. So what’s the big deal?

  79. utu says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You realize that what you describe is not capitalism.

    No. That’s what capitalism is. You sound like a communist apparatchik in the USSR who would explain deficiencies and problems of living in the USSR by saying that this so but only because we are not communist enough. Once get to the true communism stage all those problems will vanish.

  80. @utu

    that if you want to stop the immigration you need a populist moment that will include elements of the traditional left that was concerned with the economic issues like wages, job security and much more

    My problem with the traditional economic left is that they are basically insane when it comes to economics. They really do seem convinced they have the ability to mandate economic outcomes, and are utterly resistant to accepting any of the accumulated knowledge and wisdom of mainstream economic theory.

    Consider the two items you mentioned here:

    Wages – they live in complete denial of the relationship between productivity and wages. Primarily, they are motivated by economic envy. “Why should the owner ‘rake in’ (owners and CEO’s never ‘earn’ anything in leftie talk, they just ‘rake it in’) $500,000 while the poor front line worker only gets $20,000????” Their thinking doesn’t really progress much farther than this.

    Job security – it’s surely been proven by now that if government makes it more difficult to fire workers, it necessarily makes it more difficult to hire workers. But lefties won’t have a bar of it! Lefties also love to imagine that evil business owners somehow get off on firing workers – you know, just for the pure animal fun of it.

    I can appreciate that campaign rhetoric about these issues is a definite vote-winner, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that once in power these politicians would actually attempt to implement their moronic econologic (not even ultraleftie Syriza in Greece has fundamentally tried to change anything), but I personally have a hard time trusting people who spout off on these issues. I just do.

    On the other hand, things like welfare, trade, education, health, UBI (or a “citizen’s dividend” as some have attempted to dub it), and just general government services are issues which don’t require me to distort reality in order to support.

    This two groups which now are in the center can be defeated only if the nationalists on the right are able to attract the socialist from the left. In other words you need to combine socialism with nationalism. But for obvious reasons you do not want to call it a national socialism.

    I agree. Steve Bannon’s talk at the Oxford Union (!) focused heavily on what he termed ‘economic nationalism’, and more on the first word than on the second.

    • Replies: @utu
  81. Jay Fink says:
    @scrivener3

    That would be nice. I think we short men have it worse than any of the minorities that are thought to be discriminated against. We mostly suffer silently and don’t have liberal politicians or anybody else sticking up for us. If we do complain we get mocked.

  82. @Audacious Epigone

    Worrisome. Catastrophes are usually great excuses to curtail civil rights. Of course, as I think you imply, they’re also catalysts for genuine revolution so I guess all bets are off. Hope it comes while Kamala is president, or perhaps her successor AOC. Did I say ‘Hope’? I meant ‘Bet’!

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  83. @scrivener3

    Yeah but tall men hit their heads more often, and develop back problems from always having to bend to reach everything (or fit in seats) in a world configured for short people. Granted a few decades of easy sex is good, though.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  84. @silviosilver

    people who are obsessed with the “social justice” aspect of it, who are motivated by extreme envy, who are enraged by the thought that there should ever be any social distinction between individuals, and obsessed with political correctness and thought-control.

    My perception is that the typical SJW type isn’t remotely interested in equality. That’s just window-dressing. What they seek is a revamped system where they (and people they like) are on top, and the people they dislike are trampled underfoot. The ‘equality’ routine is just a device to diminish and ultimately demolish the more worthy and productive members of society, and when it’s served its purpose it’ll be readily jettisoned.

  85. @Ledford Ledford

    What I wonder: will a dysfunctional welfare state and corresponding hobbled economy discourage immigrants?

    They won’t stop coming until the USA is a bad as the worst hellholes on the planet.

    That’ll be a while, but it’s definitely the direction we’re headed.

  86. utu says:
    @silviosilver

    Libertarians including our Achmed are the useful idiots of the neoliberalism.

  87. utu says:
    @silviosilver

    Yes, you are correct. Bannon was getting it though I haven’t heard of him recently. Perhaps they pulled off the plug form him. Somebody was paying for his tour of Europe.

    I would not worry about the issues you are brining up about wages and job security at this stage. One has to decide about the priorities. Being hindered by libertarian objections and obstructionism and falling back on the futile group masturbation about HBD and IQ activity in Karlin, Sailer and AE therapy circles or trying to get something accomplished? Keep in mind that the population ‘replacement” will be irreversible while any economic policy implementations whether tactical or even strategic can be reversed. BTW, I am mostly concerned with Europe which, imo, can be salvaged while the US is in much worse situation and Russia is better off for now.

  88. @Audacious Epigone

    Very true. Just as the arrival of television in the third world a generation or two ago taught them that the streets were paved with gold in the first world and all they had to do was get here.

  89. @utu

    The strategy must in the first place be attractive to new recruits who only can come from the side to the left of your position.

    People love to think of themselves as extremists. It suits their egos. But they’ll never win.

    I haven’t met a single lefty/democrat (and I know many) who is willing even to entertain the notion that some of their excesses are what enabled Donald Trump. Much easier to think of themselves as endlessly virtuous and the opposition as irredeemably evil.

  90. @Big Dick Bandit

    the elites won’t listen to us? yeah, you don’t say! that’s why we’re *taking their ill gotten gains* and giving them to everyday people.

    The gulf between what you think you’re saying and what I’m reading is as impassably deep and wide as your back hole sausage pocket where you keep the big dicks.

    You think you’re presenting a noble case for fairness but what I (and others) read is:

    I’m a pathetic little cunt loser who can’t impress the girls favorably so I pretend to be a girl and use a pseudonym describing my love for sweaty cock. I am such a failure that I can’t earn enough money to subsist so I live with other losers like myself and we circle jerk each other while rationalizing how we are the real victims. But I know I’m right because my mommy told me how special I am and my first bear boyfriend said I have the tightest sausage pocket ever so I deserve what you’ve earned through perseverance and hard work dammit. I’m a special snowflake! If you disagree with me then you’re just a homophobic hater.

    Your ideology is the ideology of the failure. It is the politics of the envious loser. It’s blaring advertisement of your incompetent dysgenic and dysfunctional existence and prima facie evidence that feeding those too incompetent to feed themselves is the root cause of our impending civilizational collapse.

  91. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Can’t believe I wasted my troll button on you.

    It’s okay, you’ll get another one in an hour anyway.

  92. utu says:
    @Ledford Ledford

    I think “it can’t be done here because USA isn’t ethnically homogeneous” is probably right.

    Bringing immigrants to Europe is a social engineering project to emulate America’s dysfunction because it serves TPTB, oligarchy and the Deep State, i.e., the neoliberalism. This is what European elites were tasked to accomplished. But Europeans still have a chance to halt it. Look at Yellow Vests which seems to be an authentic movement not some color revolution invented in some think tank.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  93. utu says:
    @Big Dick Bandit

    Pretty much I agree. Perhaps I would change emphasis here and there. See my comment #78

  94. EldnahYm says:
    @J1234

    “The 10.5% of Republican men who are on board with democratic socialism are a little perplexing at first, but I’m guessing that there are a lot of Republicans – especially among Catholics – who are Republican mostly because of the abortion issue. (Also, it’s plausible that the bread winners for large Catholic families with five or more kids would be on board because of the high cost of health care, college tuition, etc. That describes a good neighbor of ours who had nothing good to say about Obama, but sure wanted to take advantage of Obama care. ) ”

    If one glances at the history of the American labor movement or public funding of parochial schools for example, one finds this kind of parasitic behavior among Catholics in the U.S. ever since they started arriving in large numbers.

  95. @utu

    No. That’s what capitalism is

    My JewGod you people are simple.

    Can you not comprehend that everything happens within the paradigm of BigGov laws and regulations? Nobody alive has seen unregulated capitalism. The system is a mess because the rules have been written and enforced by self-interested self-dealing stooges. And your solution is to put even more under the control of the exact same stooges?

    BigGov’s only role should be protecting its citizens and their interests (ie corporations) from foreign predation. No offshoring, no immigration, heavy duties, excises, and imposts to ensure the competition is among ourselves rather than against 65IQ shitholes whose denizens live in mud huts and crap in their own water supplies.

    Competition is the universal law of nature. It’s the only way we move forward. There will be winners and there will be losers. Losing will suck. Maybe the losers won’t have children, but is that a bad (dysgenic) or a good (eugenic) thing? Maybe the losers will die earlier but that only frees resources for investment in potential winning youth. Again, eugenic or dysgenic?

    The globalism fad, using third world primitives to do low value labor at rates insufficient to sustain survival domestically, would be eugenic (for us, but dysgenic globally) if we allowed the low IQ dumbasses here to starve to death. But that will never happen. So the solution is to protect our low IQ dumbasses by restricting our labor competition (capitalism) domestically. Again, however, this is BigGov, not the free market. The players in the game will always seek advantage, that is inevitable. The trick is in formulating the rules of the game to protect our national interests first, foremost, and always. And this is precisely where we have failed so catastrophically.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  96. @silviosilver

    OK, here we go.

    First, thanks for the civil, intelligent reply, Mr. Silver. Perhaps my quick comment didn’t make things clear. It’s not that I think it takes a bigger government to distribute lots of money, or in a different fashion, than it does with the tax system we have now.* No, it’s the bigger the amount of money handled, the more influence the Feral Gov’t has on EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. We learned this since, let’s pick a date here .. 1913.

    When Amendment XVI was being drafted, some suggested a maximum income tax number be written into it. “No”, the reply was, “that’s being silly. It’s only going to be this very small single-digit number that will tax the very, very rich” “Again, don’t be silly, people.”

    I’m against all forced takings of the labor of Americans, but barring that, I have some sympathy with those who at least favor raising capital gains vs. taxes on wages, or if they would at least recommend very low rates on the middle class to go along with the higher rates on “the rich”. However, if you haven’t seen this, you either aren’t old enough or having been paying attention: Inflation may make you one of the very rich sooner than you think, even as you still exist off your Ramen Noodles and various flavors of Jello in your studio apartment.

    Anyone here know of the AMT (Alternate Minimum Tax)? Yeah, see that was to be levied on something like 12 or 17 people! (I kid you not that the number was in the single or double-digits.) Apparently, they were evading The Man by using all the loopholes passed by, well Congress, with help from Big Business, though I guess not the ones that these 17-odd taxpayers were involved in. Oh, but we don’t have Bills of Attainder in America, per the US Constitution, right? Sure. Anyway, due to inflation over the years, the AMT can be a factor in the taxes of the mid/upper middle-class now. It was supposed to have been scrapped by the Trump bill, I read, but dammit, it was still on there when I looked at the 2018 1040 form instructions.

    Now, a wealth tax is nothing but pure, flat-out Communism. You can rail about the idiocy and influence of the Bezoses and Zuckerburgs all you want, but if want to pass laws to take amounts of people’s saved money and assets, you are a nothing but a modern-era Bolshevik. (This is not the “you” as in you personally, Mr. Silver.)

    .

    * I’d be hypocritical to say that, in fact, as I posted in Feral Gov’t Shutdown … is that a threat, or a promise?, that was part of the ploy there – “OMG, you won’t get your SS checks! You need us!”, when really, computer programs do about all of it.

  97. @silviosilver

    Silvio, the reason the modern richies, with previously-unheard-of amounts of money, have such a deleterious effect on our society is BECAUSE we have a big government. Making the government MORE powerful to “solve” this problem is an unsound idea, to put it mildly, and don’t think for a minute that the ability to tax the living shit out of people will not give the Feral Gov. more power.

    Yes, the very rich will have more than enough money even if 95% is confiscated, but a 95% rate sure puts a damper on anyone trying to get there. It’s a hell of a disincentive to be motivated and do something big, unless, of course, you just get your friends in the government involved.

    That was my next point – Uber. Isn’t that company one that the Socialists (and lots of others) like to rag on? Hey, I agree – got a friend that got “fired” (oh, wait his “contract wasn’t renewed”) for a few points on his license and he can’t even get the story straight out of them. I told him he should have gotten a few more contacts for this lucrative airport run, and just deal directly. Yeah, Uber sucks to be an employee oops, I keep doing that, contractor for. I may be told by a commenter here – see, there’s your Libertarianism! No, bullshit. Let me explain:

    Me and a couple other young people took a ride in an “illegal” taxi long ago. We got where we were going for cheap, and then people at the destination end told us he was this “illegal” cab driver. First of all, I didn’t know any difference, special license, medallion, whatever, I didn’t care, and still don’t. Why does Uber get to run a million-driver (I don’t know the number exactly, sorry) illegal taxi operation, Silvio? Do you think some private individual like my very same friend can do what he does without Uber and without big fines and eventually jail time?

    Big Biz can get Big Gov. to make new rules or waive the old ones to do what the small guy will get in trouble for. That’s crony capitalism for you.

  98. @Stan d Mute

    I had more to write about Socialism, but I appreciate the help Stan. As to that somewhat-misquoted (I gotta point out) excerpt you blockquoted, I really have never known my cock to sweat, personally. Now you’ve got me wondering if there’s been something wrong with me. I guess I’ll have to ctrl-f through the on-line Penthouse letters .. bound to be something in there about it.

    (Sorry, A.E. to take this one somewhat off topic the deep end.)

  99. @silviosilver

    One word: Skydiving

    There are a very few rules (FAR part 105, if it’s not changed) from the FAA about locations in which one can skydive and notices-to-airmen and communications required. However, the rules that apply at the drop zone are made by the USPA – U.S. Parachuting Association. This is NOT any part of any government. The USPA is a voluntary association of like-minded people nuts enough to jump out of perfectly good airplanes.

    Now, does one have to follow these rules? NO. Go jump out of some P.O.S. in some field somewhere with a chute you packed 3 years back, without any training … Go ahead, I dare you! At least one has the option. Most somewhat sane people (you can’t be perfectly sane to jump to begin with ;-} ) would really rather do this sport under USPA rules though. When the USPA makes new rules, no damn government people are involved.

    Next case: Something like 150 years ago, perhaps a little bit farther back, steam boilers were blowing up quite often around the country, killing and maiming people in the process. There was no internal combustion engine, and steam power ran the new economy, so something had to be done. A bunch of mechanical engineers formed the ASME as they worked on codes for manufacturing of boilers. (It involved the fairly-simple thin-walled pressure-vessel stress equations, probably some bolted-joint empirical formulae, etc.) The US Feral Gov’t had NOTHING to do with this effort that, basically put an END to boiler explosions.

    Nobody was therefore required, at that time, to build boilers per ASME specs. No, you didn’t have to. However, let me ask you this, Mr. Silver: Were you an engineer on a big-ass 2,000 hp locomotive, would you feel safe with a non-ASME boiler? I think I’d change jobs until the railroad picked up some ASME-approved equipment.

  100. TheJester says:

    The fear of impending reparations for all of the oppressed people who live in the United States (and those who do not) is much ado about nothing.

    With a national debt of $22 trillion (and the government spending fiat dollars like drunken sailors); decaying infrastructure; the implosion of our educational institutions; the de facto reality of “Medicare for All” through Medicaid; the need to pay for perpetual wars to keep the empire and vassal states obedient and submissive; the basic welfare associated with open borders, single-parent households; and cycles of “gibsmedats” to keep black from burning down the core of most American cities … we’re already bankrupt. There is nothing left to pay for anyone’s socialist schemes under any guise. The Millennials, led by AOC or her clone, will quickly discover this.

    The dollar-based SWIFT international payment system (especially for oil) is artificially keeping the US economy afloat for the present, but the world is racing away from dollar-based international trade as fast as it can. With a per capita national debt of $67K per person (and rising), it is is only a question of time before the United States will be like the British Empire circa 1945 looking for handouts to feed its people.

    A socialist utopia is not in the cards for the United States. If not careful, a Third World “shithole” is much more likely.

  101. @utu

    Look the role of government in a capitalist system is primarily to ensure fair play (over simplified). To provide some mechanisms that enable people to operate on some level of fair playing field.

    However, the foundation of capitalism is not government regulation — but honest and fair dealings. The force to that was to be the consequence for violating honesty and fairness, that consequence was loss of revenue or worse — a penalty exercised by the market itself. What has been occurring with greater frequency and scope is that government has been shielding businesses that engaged in those violations thereby depriving the entire system of self discipline.

    And that is why there are regulations, because repeatedly, the market system big players are shielding themselves from their own mistakes and they are leveraging government to do so. Capitalism relies on governance to be a facilitator and a moderator of sorts, not an active player beholden to any particular interest such that said interest can powerbroke against consumers or other business players.

    No system of governance exists in any economic system that does not engage in some level of regulation. In capitalism was to have the least of those encumberments for reasons I note previously. Capitalism should actually press against undue monoplizing, in my view.

    I have no idea why you interject anything about being communist. I don’t think I have expressed any kind central planning and control of the economic system.

    • Replies: @utu
  102. Just to make things crystal clear, this person utu wants to throw race realists overboard to assuage the precious feelings of the Okuspearchuckers of this world. The opinions of terminally dishonest and overtly anti-white African interlopers are of greater concern to him than those of a large percentage of European and American nationalists.

    Naturally, he thinks retard boomer Bannon – someone who got fired by Trump for leaking to liberal journalists, who can’t get a full room to hear his ramblings, who has been shunned by every European nationalist leader of note, who doesn’t have a single original thought in his head – as someone “who is getting it.”

    He rather reminds me of some Black Hundreds in 1917-1918, who supported the Bolsheviks just to own the libs. Didn’t exactly work out for them, but then again, swine right are gonna swine right – what can one do?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  103. @Stan d Mute

    …..in 2012, i was a part of the largest (at the time) tech-company exit in the history of New York. the equity i sold in that one transaction alone almost assuredly outearned what 95% of the individuals posting here have made in the last decade combined.

    i now own my own company. when it comes to profiting from this system, surprise! i’m firmly on the “winning winner” side of the ledger. i’m such a winning millennial, i can even afford (…not easily mind you) to have a wife and children in a major city!

    howEVAH…..unlike you limpdick Boomers, who operate under the delusions that “well, someday *i* could be the billionaire, so i should do everything possible to make sure their balls are fluffed”, younger folks understand that letting the obscenely wealthy–many of whom inherited their money–consolidate wealth isn’t the best use of societies resources. your “got mine, don’t care” approach fucked us pretty good, so now it’s on the next generations to clean up the mess.

    this isn’t about “fairness” in the sense of “it’s immoral to profit hugely from creating value”; again, i own my own company and certainly appreciate that most business owners did, in fact, build that. it’s about what is best for society, and acknowledging that there are currently wayyyy outsized returns even for the most industrious individuals (to say nothing of the 35-45% of ultrarich who simply inherited their money).

    some of us want better schools, affordable medicine, and prosperous families. conversely, you want billionaires to keep all of their money.

    why don’t you use your talent for gay fiction to imagine your steamiest fantasy: you, on your knees, begging an oligarch for their blessed “winning” seed.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  104. @Anatoly Karlin

    I’m not sure I should be thanking you or damning you for directing me to that discussion – while it is always amusing to observe people who can be immediately and clearly identified as clinically idiotic, I did end up spending more time than I wanted reading through pretty much the entirety of the commenters eviscerating BantuPikachu’s stubborn misrepresentation of data.

    The saddest part about it is this. During the exchange someone mentioned that they were having doubts about BantuPikachu’s intelligence after initially believing he was intelligent. Now, I’m no expert at economics of HBD but I think I can quickly spot commenters who are one of two things – stupid or dishonest, and when this mentally retarded dindu showed up a few months back I thought he himself made it crystal clear right off the bat that he was a mixture of both. The sad thing being that presumably well educated, serious thinking individuals were not able to quickly discern that for themselves and go on to spend lots of wasted time engaging him as if 1. he will understand what they are talking about and 2. they might bring him to understand or contribute to changing his views (making corrections to data falsely represented is one thing, but to continue replying is another.)

    His views are simple in a word: Afrophilia. Every word he types is in support or defense or promotion of that perspective. Links and data (that he does not understand) are provided not in a quest for truth and understanding, but to promote false and easily debunked narratives about the greatness of the Sub-Saharan. As you noted AK, he will pass off false credentials in an attempt to legitimize his content. He is certainly not an original; there are many here and everywhere that do this, but one might think tha would make it easier for others to recognize and thus ignore his fetish for attention.

    Further, it speaks volumes when that other fringe group of self proclaimed superior intellects here at Unz (we all know who I’m talking about) always seem to be the ones in most agreement with the trolls like BantuPikachu, Thomm, Corvinus, crimson2, redmoochmooch, and so on. Volumes.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  105. @Trevor H.

    Not so fast, Trevor. When was the last time YOU gave a shit about what the MSM is telling you? Let’s not forget who supports the MSM, investors, right? Less audience, less ads, downward spiral. MSM is already laying off people and that is very telling. They can’t pay their own bullshitters anymore. Investors care about their profits, they will only allow some losses before investing in something else.

  106. @Stan d Mute

    except it is not as clear as it sounds. In fact, The argument is made that businesess has no obligations to any people of any state. If in fact, competition is the mainstay, then said competition should be applied inward and the losers – that’s just the way it is. No government protections, no regulations whatsoever.

    Your assessment relies soley on competition, and if so. Any and all hindrances to that end should be removed including loyalties to the nation state or its people. No it is not just competition. It’s adjudicated application, Which is why you make a point to reference borders. The law of nature is not competition, the law of nature is survival and that means there are times when cooperation is optimum choice. Such the cooperative of systems that benefit nation states and who they represent.

    This,

    “The trick is in formulating the rules of the game to protect our national interests first, foremost, and always. And this is precisely where we have failed so catastrophically.”

    Is not competition. What Mr Smith contends to competition is that it yields better outcomes, not that it destroys the competition.

  107. @TheJester

    If not careful, a Third World “shithole” is much more likely.

    Hey, wait, you no say America become shithole! [wagging long finger] In my old country East Boratastan, we have real honest-to-Allah shithole. You no blaspheme old country shithole and the prophet that shit there.

    I not like you shit-holier-than-thou attitude, Mr. Jester.

  108. utu says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “I have no idea why you interject anything about being communist.” – To illustrate the true Scotsman fallacy that ideologues and apologists of communism and capitalism resort to. I am afraid you are one of them.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  109. Democratic socialism is what you have in Scandinavia. In can work only in nationally homogeneous societies, and, I would say, Teutonic Protestant in culture (I don’t know about east Asian Confucians).

    Otherwise not.

    Jews in Israel tried it until 1970s & almost got bankrupted.

  110. @utu

    Well, aside from not providing any data to support your accusation that i represent some manner of communist clique, you are welcome to demonstrate a single comments that suggests I support communism.

    Laughing.

    I guess if you equate communism with capitalism, you have no choice, despite how inaccurate the references may be to reality.

    I take that you equate birds and lizards as the same species because attending to categorical distinctions make critically thinking through them is just too cumbersome.

    • Replies: @utu
  111. I’m no statistician nor mathemagician, but it appears to me that just 150,000,000 people in the US are employed while our population is around 330,000,000 and growing. Some 100,000,000 are considered “not in the labor pool”. And yet we feed, clothe, house, and currently provide medical care for everybody here and seemingly half of Africa as well.

    How much more socialism will be enough?

    Let’s confiscate the wealth of the people who are demonstrably the best stewards thereof. Guys like Bezos for instance create more wealth and that’s no good. Instead let’s hand it to Boonquisha for redistribution and see what happens. Wealth is nothing anyway, just accumulated and stored labor value. Boonquisha will know what to do. How fast can trillions of dollars be converted into overdue car payments and EBT cards? Let’s find out.. We definitely don’t need filthy rich bastards like Bezos inventing new businesses and creating jobs!

    • Replies: @216
  112. @Anatoly Karlin

    Would you care to provide a precis for those of us who have no intention of visiting the Chapo Trap House subreddit, whatever the hell that is?

  113. 216 says:
    @Stan d Mute

    How much more socialism will be enough?

    https://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/revenue-statistics-highlights-brochure.pdf

    See the table on page 3.

    Quite a lot more, I’m afraid to say.

    The US tax revenue as a percentage of GDP is low by OECD standards, while its military spending is the highest as a percentage of GDP in these countries. That’s a lot of wealth that can be used to buy votes.

  114. utu says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You are so blinded by your ideologically conditioned reflexes that you lost ability to read with comprehension.

  115. @Achmed E. Newman

    you’ve got me wondering if there’s been something wrong with me

    Well wonder no more my Arabic named fellow, there’s definitely something wrong with you..

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  116. @TheJester

    The fear of impending reparations for all of the oppressed people who live in the United States (and those who do not) is much ado about nothing.

    Not only that, we ought to fully endorse the idea of reparations, but only when married to repatriations. Let’s give every stolen son and daughter of Africa one bazillion dollars for them to be restored to the continent of their origin where they may seek life fulfillment free from the evil racism of whitey. It’s the right thing to do.

    And, since it will all be meaningless debt that will never be repaid, and will cause the implosion of our asinine fiat currency along with the corrupt Fed, we will get a fresh start without either negroes or debt!

    #winning!

  117. @redmudhooch

    In the U.S., 15% of the population lives below the poverty line.

    If you define “poverty” as 1 SD below the average, that’s what you’d get.  By turd-world standards, the US “poverty” line is unimaginable wealth.

    For children under the age of 18, that number increases to 20%.

    Reproduction of the “poor” is subsidized.  The middle and upper classes are largely discouraged by government policy, until they are rich enough to be able to ignore it.

    For the vast majority of the world, capitalism is a failure. Billions live on less than two dollars a day.

    Grinding poverty and Malthusian limits have been the fate of the vast majority of genus Homo over the bulk of its history.  Only a tiny fraction has had the gifts and wits to transcend it… and WE are among that elite sliver.  Those billions are only tracing the course of hundreds of generations before them.  WE are creators and descend from creators who broke that mold; THEY deserve nothing of OUR hard work and heritage.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  118. @Mr. Rational

    Those billions are only tracing the course of hundreds of generations before them. WE are creators and descend from creators who broke that mold; THEY deserve nothing of OUR hard work and heritage.

    Not only don’t the teeming savage hordes not deserve our inheritance, but we lack the moral right to give it to them. We are but custodians of what was bequeathed to us on behalf of our children and grandchildren. Our DUTY is to maintain, preserve, and build upon what we inherited so our progeny may have an even better life than we have. This is our only duty, we owe alien tribes and sub-species nothing whatsoever, and we’ve utterly abdicated it and condemned our progeny to collapse of civilization itself.

    This fundamental concept has been completely lost due to the twin ideologies of global communism and Christian Universalism. The absurdly false dichotomy of left vs right is in complete agreement that there is no biological or innate difference between a descendant of Greco-Roman Civilization and a descendant of cannibal savages or camel (or cow) piss drinkers.

    From Drudge this morning:

    LA & SF resemble Mumbai more than they resemble any western city from 50 years ago..
    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/rats-public-defecation-and-open-drug-use-our-major-western-cities-are-becoming-uninhabitable-hellholes

    And Mumbai’s finest make the Sacklers look like LARPing fools in their modern day Opium Wars..
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2019/02/13/rap-video-opioid-salesmen-boasted-their-prowess/YsPTTbiDYDq1ZIpEtobmXL/story.html

    Yet even here among arguably the brightest lights in American media, we find imbeciles calling for more and bigger government, more dysgenic and dysfunctional policies, more universalism, and more futile attempts at assimilating cannibal negroes & mesoamericans, jungle Asians, desert nomad goat fuckers, and hinpoohs.

  119. OT –

    AE, your presence here at Unz and your commitment to free speech are highlighted by contrast to Ron’s newest blogger “Paul Kersey”. He’s unreformed and still heavily censoring comments. When he started blogging years ago, his writing was so poor I had to wonder if he was white or a native English speaker. Since then he’s apparently found a proofreader or editor, but his censorship has never changed. I’m left to wonder if he’s some kind of hasbara Troll, FBI stooge, or a negro Troll (ie NoI type) agitating for more direct racial conflict without the wit to avoid outing himself by his own limitations.

    I’m left to wonder, amid the talent Ron has collected here, what Ron was thinking. He does publish some retarded communists and I can see the value of that along with publishing NoI propaganda, but this makes no sense to me yet.

  120. utu says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Good points. When I noticed this Kersey character here I wonder what game Ron Unz is really playing or is it the Game is playing him.

  121. @utu

    just to be clear.

    if you can reference a position that is supportive of communism,

    you are welcome to note it.

  122. @utu

    here ya go,

    “[M]an has almost constant occasion for the help of his brethren, and it is in vain for him to expect it from their benevolence only. He will be more likely to prevail if he can interest their self-love in his favour, and shew them that it is for their own advantage to do for him what he requires of them. Whoever offers to another a bargain of any kind, proposes to do this. Give me that which I want, and you shall have this which you want, . . . It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages. (638)”

    https://santitafarella.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/adam-smith-and-capitalism-for-beginners/

    What Mr. Smith notes is that leveraging the self interests of another is one of the keys to understanding capitalism. In seeking what the other wants and providing the same will in turn reap benefit to the provider. And that is predicated on a development of

    ““Every man, as long as he does not violate the laws of justice, is left perfectly free to pursue his own interest his own way, and to bring both his industry and capital into competition with those of any other man, or order of men” (647). This competition serves to increase efficiency and establish price-ranges for things that both willing sellers and willing buyers can mutually live with (“The real price of every thing, what every thing really costs to the man who wants to acquire it, is the toil and trouble of acquiring it”).”

    **** note that competition is not intended to destroy one’s competitors.

    Communist you suggest — not in any manner

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  123. @EliteCommInc.

    AGREE!

    … with Adam Smith, that is. I’d LIKE him too, but he’d dead, and I’m not on Faceboot.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  124. @Stan d Mute

    I’m really surprised at your experience with Mr. Kersey and the old sbpdl site, Stan. First of all, the material may be repetitive (probably partially on purpose to drive home his points), but I never had a problem with Paul Kersey’s English. I don’t recall ever commenting on that site, but I’m surprised you were censored, from what I’ve read on there.

    I would think your experience in the Detoilet Metro area would have led you to agree with the many articles on that site about the causes of the ruin of that former “Paris of the West” (for others here, yes, no kidding!) Mr. Kersey has moved on from there and written lots (including books) on Baltimore, I think St. Louis, Birmingham, Alabama, Memphis, etc.

    Ron Unz has a real soft spot for our 50 million or so Hispanic residents, but he does not have an awful lot nice to say to about the brothers. Mr. Kersey is definitely controversial, to say the least, but he tells a lot of truth. Oh, yeah, the retarded Commies are a whole ‘nother story.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  125. @Achmed E. Newman

    It is what it is . . . as described.

    What he explicates concerning capitalism and it has nothing to do with communism and while he encourages competition that competition is to quality, specialization (diversity), expansion that increases exponentially — set upon an ethics of just and fair dealings and the consequences for behaving otherwise would but the moderating force against doing so. In a conversation about competition and capitalism – as much as some would frown at the notion,

    What Mr. Bill Gates did in rescuing Apple is a perfect example of capitalism in action. He could allowed that organization to fail and reap huge benefits, but he understood that its survival would reap better product in the long run —

    To a mercantile mentality that would have been the wrong choice. Better that your competition fails and you take that market share or end it completely.

    And it has been the practice of government interference against market disciplines that helped create the problems we have today.

    Ignoring what capitalism is to avoid having a conversation about capitalism.

  126. @Achmed E. Newman

    Back when he first started blogging and claimed to be traveling extensively for a real job, he wrote like Don King speaks. The repetition persists to a lesser degree than the mangling of adjectives and adverbs, but it’s all pretty suspicious to me.

    As for the censorship, what was censored at his old blog years ago and within the past few days here was no more than what I write incessantly in every Unz thread, old AmRen (before I gave that up), Countenance/Question Diversity or Nicholas Stix comment – definitely not Stormfront material.

    I don’t claim to be the world’s foremost authority on sniffing out bad characters, but it has kept me alive 50+ years and has been the root source of my livelihood. Occasionally I’m proven wrong, but far more often proven correct. Somewhat on this topic I’m sitting in a CVS parking lot waiting for Mrs Mute and it’s amazing how many opiate users I can easily identify going in for their monthly allotment of dope. In a 99% white area, all have the look of quiet resignation and despair – a defeated people dulled to the unfolding civilizational collapse surrounding them.

  127. @Stan d Mute

    I have have read SBPDL for a couple years now, and I have never attempted to comment there (what left to add reall that isn’t already known?) so I’ll have to pay more attention.

    In all honesty, the contributor at Unz who most censors comments is Sailer. Just two days ago a posted a video of the two black guys talking jive from the movie Airplane! and he flushed it.

    ??? Not exactly Birth of a Nation.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  128. @MikeatMikedotMike

    I’ve never had Sailer completely flush a comment, but he has sat on them for several days before finally approving them thus ensuring that nobody would ever read them. It’s been infrequent, maybe one a month at most, and usually I just double post them to another comment thread by another writer less sensitive to my admittedly hard edged realism.

    I may be privileged by the fact that I’ve been a reader and commenter since before he migrated here and have corresponded with him to a very small degree on personal matters of mutual interest. I also engage in a bit of self-censorship on his comment threads out of respect for his sensibilities. I do try to be funny in many of my comments, but not very many readers seem to agree with my sense of humor.

    In any case, Sailer is a good egg. So too I think are the vast majority of writers in Ron’s stable. Even the commies are at least whom they appear to be and it’s good to see how they perceive the world as twisted and idiotic as their perspective may be. Something about Kersey just set my alarm bells ringing from the very beginning of his blogging career – and I wanted to like him given that I was then living the suitcase life he claimed to be living at the time. I think I even offered to proof/edit his posts for him. Maybe I’m wrong – I hope I am – we don’t need any more Dicky Spencers making our side appear as fools or tools.

  129. @Stan d Mute

    Having recently gone through a few of Kersey’s posts, all I can say is that I find the “Race War” section at The Daily Stormer to be more entertaining. 🙂

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  130. @Anatoly Karlin

    I hadn’t visited the site in years until a few days ago when a commenter posted a link to memetic Monday and I clicked it. Some good stuff there. And now you’ve sent me back to see the race war section of the site and I agree, it’s got more items, the writing is succinct, etc, it’s much better than Kertsey. Is daily stormer the same as the old stormfront? I’ve always avoided the nazi LARPing sites, BigGov already gets most of my money, why give them my clicks?

  131. @Big Dick Bandit

    I said support, not membership. The data comes directly from the poll being referenced here. Also, the figure the NR cites (without reference) is from “last year” and the article was written in late 2018. So is that from 2017? After the 2018 mid-terms, familiarity with the DSA went way up.

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  132. @scrivener3

    It is funny how so much is made about economic inequality and so little about sexual inequality. Men at the economic bottom generate some sympathy. Men at the bottom of the sexual market, though? Losers!

  133. @Mr McKenna

    Give me this much credit re: my Harris prediction: My money is where my mouth is. I’m about $3000 in on predictit (“no”s and “yes”es).

  134. @Mr McKenna

    The optimal spot for sexually desirable traits with a roughly normal distribution is, I think, to be 2 SDs above the norm. Anything beyond that actually starts to be counterproductive. For height, that’s about 6’3″.

    In a less formal way, it’s the point just before it becomes the first thing a stranger notices about you. I have a good friend who is 6’8″. The number of times he hears “wow you’re tall, did you play basketball?” in a day is maddening. I get tired of hearing it when I’m around him. I can only imagine how obnoxious it is to be him.

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    , @Stan d Mute
  135. @Achmed E. Newman

    No apologies necessary. The more thinking about it, the better. The real question seems to be what to do with companies that become more powerful than national governments. This was most saliently on display during the congressional hearings with social media executives. Google didn’t even send anyone important because Google isn’t threatened by congress. Whether or not an “internet bill of rights” is desirable–I think it is–it almost already seems quaint before it even comes into being, because it won’t be enforceable.

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  136. @Audacious Epigone

    ah, so the membership (as in, registered, self-identifying, resource providing, skin in the game) is 90% white, but the “support” is…..

    you’re a fucking moron.

    Socialism in America is about as white as the Klan.

  137. @Audacious Epigone

    I guess that’s better than the horse races, or maybe just about as much luck and trickery is involved. “That Harris, she’s a mudder. Her mudder was a a mudder ….” I’m not a gambler at all, but since your name is on the line anyway, I guess it makes sense. I noticed you seem pretty sure of yourself on that.

  138. @Audacious Epigone

    Each time I think of this “regulation” of Google and Facebook, I think that will only make things worse. Secondly, I really do think people have a choice. Maybe all of the search engines (duckduckgo says not but how do you know, really) sell your private information all over the place, but that’s because we LET the Feral Gov’t form an NSA, and the CIA is still around (nothing but a cluster-fuck since the early Cold-War).

    As for Faceboot, you don’t have to join or participate. People willingly give out too much information anyway. As Peak Stupidity and Skynryd put it – Don’t ask me no questions, and I won’t tell you no lies!

    Oh, BTW, A.E. read that previous comment carefully, and you’ll see exactly why I was apologizing. ;-}

  139. @Audacious Epigone

    Wow, you’re vastly more sure of it than I am. And/Or: you have vastly more money to throw around. Then again, you may just be smarter than I am. Or not.

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  140. @Audacious Epigone

    Interesting subtopic. I can’t help but think that the ideal variance differs among the various secondary (and some primary) sexual characteristics. For example, I’m exactly that height and it’s been a nuisance virtually all the time, with the conspicuous exception of certain sporting activities. Makes me think that a single SD above the norm would be preferable. You’ve no idea, perhaps, just how many people resent tall people, not to mention white males to begin with. And furniture, implements, clothing, sports cars, airplanes, etc etc? They’re all on the demerit side. My feeling is that 6-0 even or maybe 6-1 would be the sweet spot.

    We’ve also discussed IQ on this site with similar results (though of course some beg to differ). I think an IQ of 120 or 130 would be ideal, with 140 and more tending to dislocate one socially. Obviously there are certain academic & professional endeavors where the sky’s the limit, but they’re comparatively rare.

    For men, though: can your muscles be too big? Only in the case of freaks or bodybuilders who have trouble walking. Can your shoulders be too broad? Not that I’ve seen. Once I read a book which said that good looks (generally) were a boon to everyone up to a point, but more readily a hindrance to women in business–prevents them from being taken seriously. Now, I’ve talked around a primary sexual characteristic, and there’s probably no practical limit with respect to that, but I can tell you that it makes a difference in about 0.1% of your life time. Unless you’re starring in blue movies. HTH everyone.

  141. @utu

    Agreed. The USA is toast in that regard, but several European countries could turn it around, and two or three are actually trying to do so. God willing, they’ll succeed.

    It’s a colossal tidal wave they’re confronting, though.

  142. @TheJester

    A socialist utopia is not in the cards for the United States. If not careful, a Third World “shithole” is much more likely.

    We’re definitely not careful, and that’s exactly where we’re headed. However, I’d note that if a $22T debt were going to prevent us from doing something, the $10T or $15T debt might already have done it. Nope, we’re going to find out the hard way, and we’re going to keep borrowing until it’s literally impossible.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  143. @Big Dick Bandit

    Just skimming your adolescent braggadocio, one comes to the conclusion that you are a particularly pathetic individual. You might profit by contemplating that, if you are able.

  144. @Cloudbuster

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’d rather DSA than Democrats because it’s slightly less intersectional and more likely to have Chapo or Cum Town fans who I can enjoy dril tweets with. Even considering a Lizardman Constant of 4%

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/

    That still leaves 6% of Republican men with my line of thinking. Or maybe they’re Berniebros.

    • Agree: Big Dick Bandit
  145. @Mr McKenna

    Zerohedge turned me into a bit of a prepper back 5 years ago or so. This “economic boom” right now is nothing but the confidence that there is at least not a blatant Socialist in the White House, so we can keep the party going 4 more years. It doesn’t change the big picture though.

    I didn’t know the debt was up to $22,000,000,000,000 now, Mr. McKenna. (I write it out, so that people can really understand the number.) Last I heard it was still down at $21,000,000,000,000. Think of what happens when interest rates are let to go up to the natural price of money. 6% on that is 1.3 Trillion dollars per year. That’s about 1/3 of the whole budget expenditures, meaning pretty close to 1/2 of the revenues (seeing as those 2 don’t match, which is the problem to begin with!).

    The FED can’t let that happen, so they’ll keep screwing over old people with a few hundred thousand in the bank getting SQUAT-ALL for interest, along with pension plans that don’t work at all at 2% rates. We have already passed Peak Rich Old People. Say goodbye to the Golden Girls.

    I say to the American non-preppers out there: Good luck with all that.

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    , @Mr McKenna
  146. @Mr. Rational

    The question is not what causes poverty. Poverty is the default state of mankind. The question is what causes prosperity.

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  147. @Stan d Mute

    Ron is interested in preserving content that will otherwise be lost to the sands of time. Paul Kersey catalogs stories that often, had the races been reversed, would have risen to Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown-level salience. Instead, they show up locally for a day or two and then drop off the radar forever.

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  148. @Mr McKenna

    I’m still riding my payoff from 2016. I withdrew what I put in and kept the rest to play with.

  149. Perhaps the most surprising result from the survey is the greater affinity for the DSA among men than among women.

    I’d read a long time ago that the Tories in the UK owe all their 20th century victories to the women’s vote. Men were significantly more socialist, when actual socialism was an electoral possibility, not a buzzword.

    In the US, women were consistently more Republican than were men right into the 1970s. Part of the change is the decrease in the percentage of those who are married. In addition, women are naturally more conservative, but now what they want to conserve is the welfare state their grandmothers were once slower to embrace.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  150. @Mr McKenna

    Maybe 1-2 SDs above the mean is a better rule of thumb.

  151. @Mr McKenna

    I’m exactly that height and it’s been a nuisance virtually all the time, with the conspicuous exception of certain sporting activities.

    Sadly, those activities don’t include motorsports.

    The only advantage I’ve found is that chicks take one glance at the size of my hands and know immediately that I have a humongous …

    Pair of gloves.

  152. @Mr McKenna

    We’re definitely not careful, and that’s exactly where we’re headed…

    … we’re going to keep borrowing until it’s literally impossible.

    Coincidentally, I had these two tabs open:

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/rats-public-defecation-and-open-drug-use-our-major-western-cities-are-becoming-uninhabitable-hellholes

    https://www.conservativereview.com/news/bipartisan-spending-binge-now-worse-bush-obama/

    It’s a race to the bottom and the throttle is stuck wide open..

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  153. @Achmed E. Newman

    This “economic boom” right now

    Haven’t we seen this movie before?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/a-record-number-of-americans-are-90-days-behind-on-their-car-payments.html

    And I read recently that no-doc mortgages are making a comeback too..

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  154. @Audacious Epigone

    stories that often, had the races been reversed, would have risen to Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown-level salience.

    There are several in that genre and a couple outstanding choices would be Nicholas Stix (whose work does appear here from time to time) and Colin Flaherty (who is also a legit journalist and far better writer).

  155. @Audacious Epigone

    I have a good friend who is 6’8″. The number of times he hears “wow you’re tall, did you play basketball?” in a day is maddening. I get tired of hearing it when I’m around him. I can only imagine how obnoxious it is to be him.

    I don’t have the pleasure of imagining.

    Suggest to him the rejoinder, “Wow, you’re really short, are you a proctologist or urologist?”

  156. @Audacious Epigone

    Far be it for me to correct Jesus here, but perhaps I could add a bit to it:

    The stupid you will always have with you.

  157. @Stan d Mute

    Housing Bubble 2.0 has been a mostly west coast and university town thing, as more of the cause this time is the big Chinese money. This one is popping as we write. See Housing Bubble 2.0 – West coast, university towns, minorities, to be hardest hit! and Housing Bubble 2.0 – (Part 2) – Voila, an American Dream – (OK, I guess it’s not a bubble if “popping” takes a year or so, but that’s the meme, so just roll with it.)

    I enjoy looking at the Case-Shiller numbers each month. I’d been looking at it on a site called SeattleBubble.com, where the “Tableau”-programmed interactive graphs are very nice to use. However, the site owner (“The Tim”) or else Mr. Case and Mr. Shiller have dropped the ball. The downturn was already seen in the Seattle and San Fran. numbers back in the numbers for early Fall ’18.

    Oh, and school-loan debt is up over $1,500,000,000,000 at this point.

  158. @Achmed E. Newman

    I didn’t know the debt was up to $22,000,000,000,000 now, Mr. McKenna. (I write it out, so that people can really understand the number.)

    You touch upon what I think is a real source of the problem. People simply can’t conceive–in any real sense–of numbers that high. Can you picture 22 trillion widgets vs 22 billion?

    Even numerate people have trouble here, and most people aren’t numerate.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
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