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The push to defund municipal police departments is being considered by elected officials in many large American cities:

While the concept of “defunding” typically means eliminating funding for a body or initiative completely, recent efforts to “defund the police” make the case for slashing funding to law enforcement and seeing that money redirected to more community-based initiatives.

One petition, launched by Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors and calling for local governments to defund the police, has received widespread attention. It already has signatures from high-profile celebrities including John Legend, Megan Rapinoe, Lizzo, The Weeknd, Jane Fonda, Natalie Portman, Jameela Jamil, Yara Shahidi, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union Anthony Romero and others.

Instead of giving law enforcement departments bigger budgets, the petition states, governments should be cutting spending redirecting it to education, healthcare and community-based initiatives.

Specifically, it calls on the public to demand that local officials “defund the police” to “defend black lives” by taking the following actions:

– Vote no on all increases to police budgets
– Vote yes to decrease police sending and budgets
– Vote yes to increase spending on Healthcare, Education, and Community Programs that keep Black Communities nationwide safe

Julia Salazar, a New York state senator and Democratic socialist, recently told The Guardian the movement to defund the police is not just popular among celebrities and activists, but is also gaining steam among legislators.

“To see legislators who aren’t even necessarily on the left supporting at least a significant decrease in New York police department [NYPD] funding is really very encouraging,” Salazar told the British newspaper on Tuesday. “It feels a little bit surreal.”

In some cities, efforts to turn that notion into action are already underway, with Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announcing on Wednesday that he would be making cuts of up to $150 million to the police budget and reinvesting those funds in black communities.

There may be a silent majority in opposition to these celebrities and politicians, though. From the GSS (thanks to t for the heads up), the percentages who support decreasing funding to the police are shown in red. Percentages in favor of increasing funding are displayed in green. Those who would prefer spending remain the same are not shown:

Poor young black men, the demographic with the rockiest relationship with police, are still four to five times as likely to support an increase in police funding as they are to support a reduction in it. Perhaps the especially repulsive video of the cop with his knee on the helpless and immobile late George Floyd has moved the needle in the direction of defunding, but that needle has a lot of moving to do.

In the spirit of American federalism, I support municipalities diverting police funding to other programs deemed more beneficial to other priorities in their communities. I’m skeptical doing so will reduce crime and defuse tensions–de-policing cities like Baltimore in the wake of Freddie Gray’s death didn’t appear to–but I’d be happy to be proved wrong. If these progressive cities make it work, they will provide a template for other places to follow and we’ll all be better for it.

GSS variables used: RACECEN1(1)(2)(4-10), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), PARTYID(0-1)(2-4)(5-6), SEX, CLASS, AGE, SPPOLICE(1-2)(4-5), YEAR(2006-2016)

 
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  1. Agree. After the country is split, I think it’s a great idea to let progressives implement this in their own nation. If it works, we can then implement it in our nation.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  2. Probably the same people who also want to take away people’s guns.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Talha

    1) Criminals.

    2) Sentimental morons with no understanding of human nature, because their lives are so cushioned they can get away with that.

    3) "Warlord personalities" that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.

    Those are the constituencies who want no police.

    It might just be that relying off MSNBC's view of the world is not a politically wise move.

    Replies: @Talha, @Twinkie, @Chris Mallory

  3. @Talha
    Probably the same people who also want to take away people’s guns.

    https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deja_q_hd_046_resized_6484.jpg

    Peace.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    1) Criminals.

    2) Sentimental morons with no understanding of human nature, because their lives are so cushioned they can get away with that.

    3) “Warlord personalities” that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.

    Those are the constituencies who want no police.

    It might just be that relying off MSNBC’s view of the world is not a politically wise move.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    @nebulafox

    Though I’m a huge fan of Korusawa, I’d rather have simply experienced “Seven Samurai” (an inevitable result of the combination of all three of your points) on screen rather than to have to live it out if I can avoid doing so.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    3) “Warlord personalities” that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.
     
    Is that why Asians display the lowest level of support for greater funding for the police? Because they want to go Rooftop Korean? (“Cops don’t come when you need them anyway - look at Koreatown”).

    I am generally pro-cop, but I do also oppose greater funding for the police, because I know the extra funding does not produce extra security for the general public. Implementing the right policies and determined political leadership do.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @Chris Mallory
    @nebulafox


    3) “Warlord personalities” that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.
     
    Not any different than the government we have now. Cops are the raiders and looters of the governing class.

    Cops need to be disarmed. Citizens should be armed, not government employees.

    Replies: @WorkingClass

  4. @nebulafox
    @Talha

    1) Criminals.

    2) Sentimental morons with no understanding of human nature, because their lives are so cushioned they can get away with that.

    3) "Warlord personalities" that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.

    Those are the constituencies who want no police.

    It might just be that relying off MSNBC's view of the world is not a politically wise move.

    Replies: @Talha, @Twinkie, @Chris Mallory

    Though I’m a huge fan of Korusawa, I’d rather have simply experienced “Seven Samurai” (an inevitable result of the combination of all three of your points) on screen rather than to have to live it out if I can avoid doing so.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Talha

    Speaking of “Seven Samurai”...and since it’s off topic...see below.

    Peace.

    I recently pitched an idea to a brother I know in the film industry that is a Mamluk version of Seven Samurai, set in the Crusader era with rogue and leaderless elements of Latin armies that are stand ins for the bandits taking advantage of the lawlessness in the region. And the villagers pool money to collectively buy capable veteran slave soldiers (Mamluks) to save their village from plunder. The main character is a retired Ayyubid general that had served under Saladin (ra) but became increasingly disillusioned with the corruption under his heirs and retired to the countryside before the Mamluks took over. Another character is a reformed ex-Hashashin that has renounced violence after coming into contact with the spiritual master Abdul-Qadir Jilani (ra), but is convinced to lend his skills to train and take up arms again to protect the hapless villagers.

    The brother loved the idea and said, coincidentally that he is trying to get a similar project off the ground about the short-lived reign of Shajar ad-Durr (the queen of Egypt that was central to the transition from the Ayyubid dynasty - her first husband - and the Mamluk dynasty - her second husband). So this might be a follow up project.

    If you ever see The Seven Mamluks on the big screen, you heard it here first!

    Replies: @Fluesterwitz

  5. Black people suffer from too much crime.

    Police lower crime in their vicinity.

    So, black areas need to increase the number of police they have.

    People in poor countries tend to recognise the above.

    Actually, normal people everywhere tend to recognise the above. It is pretty obvious.

    They also see police resources being prioritised for rich areas, and they complain.

    I’ve seen it in numerous places, and even when visiting the States.

    https://www.groundup.org.za/article/activists-camp-outside-saps-demand-more-police-resources-poor-areas/

    Furthermore, #BlackLivesMatter activists need to patrol with those police to root out the criminals in their community. Local intelligence would save many lives.

    But this weird new religion demands otherwise.

    Perhaps a plebiscite could be held in a black area on the issue of the massive scaling up of police funding? It would be both beneficial and very funny, when it won in a landslide.

  6. Even if you uncritically accept the entire “BLM” frame–black petty criminals are good, cops are bad and tyrannical and need to be neutered–defunding will still make things worse rather than better. Stuff like body cameras and “implicit bias training” (lol) cost money. And do these people really think an overstretched, exhausted, embittered police force is going to act more calmly and carefully? I’m not a blind advocate of “throwing money at a problem” but expecting police to undergo a radical reformation while having their funding cut is just delusional.

    I don’t think police brutality is currently a systemic problem–just the occasional bad (or scared) actor–but if this defunding movement actually takes off, expect “brutality” incidents to take off as well.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Elmer's Washable School Glue


    And do these people really think an overstretched, exhausted, embittered police force is going to act more calmly and carefully?

     

    From the funding proposal, looks like the teachers' union will step in instead. Don't worry, buddy, they've got this.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Elmer's Washable School Glue

    Is it unreasonable to work on the assumption that defunding is a temporary measure on the way to abolition?

  7. @nebulafox
    @Talha

    1) Criminals.

    2) Sentimental morons with no understanding of human nature, because their lives are so cushioned they can get away with that.

    3) "Warlord personalities" that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.

    Those are the constituencies who want no police.

    It might just be that relying off MSNBC's view of the world is not a politically wise move.

    Replies: @Talha, @Twinkie, @Chris Mallory

    3) “Warlord personalities” that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.

    Is that why Asians display the lowest level of support for greater funding for the police? Because they want to go Rooftop Korean? (“Cops don’t come when you need them anyway – look at Koreatown”).

    I am generally pro-cop, but I do also oppose greater funding for the police, because I know the extra funding does not produce extra security for the general public. Implementing the right policies and determined political leadership do.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    >I am generally pro-cop, but I do also oppose greater funding for the police, because I know the extra funding does not produce extra security for the general public.

    So, like schools, more funding doesn't translate into better results.

    > Implementing the right policies

    Such as?

    Replies: @Wency, @Twinkie

  8. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    3) “Warlord personalities” that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.
     
    Is that why Asians display the lowest level of support for greater funding for the police? Because they want to go Rooftop Korean? (“Cops don’t come when you need them anyway - look at Koreatown”).

    I am generally pro-cop, but I do also oppose greater funding for the police, because I know the extra funding does not produce extra security for the general public. Implementing the right policies and determined political leadership do.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >I am generally pro-cop, but I do also oppose greater funding for the police, because I know the extra funding does not produce extra security for the general public.

    So, like schools, more funding doesn’t translate into better results.

    > Implementing the right policies

    Such as?

    • Replies: @Wency
    @nebulafox

    The best move I can think of is an old-fashioned one: discourage single motherhood. I can think of a lot of ways to try to do this, both carrots and sticks, but I'm not sure which ones would work, and in any event all of them would be deeply politically unpalatable in this decadent age.

    Discouraging single motherhood works via both the nurture-based method of keeping a father in the picture, and the nature-based method of discouraging women from getting pregnant by irresponsible men in the first place (who will pass on their DNA to make irresponsible children).

    But decadence is the reason why we have no real solutions. So we default to a heavy-handed police presence, and then we occasionally cry about it, but we don't make any real changes.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    , @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    > Implementing the right policies

    Such as?
     

    First of all, note that the appropriate policies will depend on the demographics, e.g. Detroit will have different requirements than Singapore. With that said...

    https://youtu.be/FLsY6d2FbQw

    Replies: @Znzn

  9. Defund negro welfare.

    • Agree: Lowe
    • Replies: @Lowe
    @Tusk

    If you did de-fund welfare programs for the poor, at the federal and state levels, you actually could de-fund most municipal police.

    Young black men would be too busy working to support their mothers and girlfriends, to do crime.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @songbird
    @Tusk

    In the same way that China set up special economic zones, the US should set up zones free of racial grifting.

  10. Here’s a way to find out that the people claim to want more money spent on police are full of shit: make it voluntary.

    Chuck an extra $1000 on some or other tax bill with a header

    Additional Policing Charge

    You said you wanted more money spent on cops – pay up, bitch…. $1000.00

    Alternatively, tick the box below to signal your desire to be exempted from the extra policing charge.

     ☐ I need to go fuck myself”

    They want more money spent – but invariably they want it to be more of everyone else’s money.

    Y’all faux-conservative badge-lickers are just showing that you want them gibs – exactly, exactly, identically like the ‘dindus’ that you castigate for wanting people to pay for the stuff that they want.

    Want more fucktard Stormtrooper-LARPing high-school underperformers? Make a donation, bitch.

    Pay for your insecurity yourselves – like you do when you buy an SUV that you can’t drive or park properly.

    Beta people are fucking expensive – ‘dindu’ welfare recipients cost much less than craven weak bitch Save-Me-MommyState ‘conservative’ types, because all the dindus want is enough money to buy some a forty and maybe some weed, whereas weak bitch beta-male badge-lickers put us on the hook for an MRAP and full body armour for every town with more than 250 people.

    We want to spend more on pigs” – Knock yourself out, weak bitches. Give your local department your bank details and tell them to take what they need – or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    • Agree: Nodwink
    • Disagree: Jay Fink
    • Troll: Anonymous (n), 128
    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Kratoklastes

    Don't a lot of whites pay for private security? Isn't that a de facto way of buying more police protection?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    , @Anonymous (n)
    @Kratoklastes

    Nice one dipshit. Why would anyone volunteer to pay for a service that EVERYONE would benefit from whether they ponied up or not. If paying for the police becomes optional and I pay, you better believe I expect the result to be my own personal goon squad that responds to 911 calls by freeloading libertardian cunts like yourself with drive by shootings instead of assistance.

    Replies: @Mokiki

    , @mr meener
    @Kratoklastes

    you are right the fake right are cowards

  11. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:

    Exactly, it’s time to finally just give them what they want. No Cops!

    Then you can vote with your feet and laugh in great relief

  12. Defund the police is a very weak virtue signal. I would make the swat teams wear clown shoes.

  13. @Talha
    @nebulafox

    Though I’m a huge fan of Korusawa, I’d rather have simply experienced “Seven Samurai” (an inevitable result of the combination of all three of your points) on screen rather than to have to live it out if I can avoid doing so.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Talha

    Speaking of “Seven Samurai”…and since it’s off topic…see below.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    I recently pitched an idea to a brother I know in the film industry that is a Mamluk version of Seven Samurai, set in the Crusader era with rogue and leaderless elements of Latin armies that are stand ins for the bandits taking advantage of the lawlessness in the region. And the villagers pool money to collectively buy capable veteran slave soldiers (Mamluks) to save their village from plunder. The main character is a retired Ayyubid general that had served under Saladin (ra) but became increasingly disillusioned with the corruption under his heirs and retired to the countryside before the Mamluks took over. Another character is a reformed ex-Hashashin that has renounced violence after coming into contact with the spiritual master Abdul-Qadir Jilani (ra), but is convinced to lend his skills to train and take up arms again to protect the hapless villagers.

    The brother loved the idea and said, coincidentally that he is trying to get a similar project off the ground about the short-lived reign of Shajar ad-Durr (the queen of Egypt that was central to the transition from the Ayyubid dynasty – her first husband – and the Mamluk dynasty – her second husband). So this might be a follow up project.

    If you ever see The Seven Mamluks on the big screen, you heard it here first!

    • Replies: @Fluesterwitz
    @Talha

    I would watch these.

  14. Let’s just go ahead and defund everything. We can make other arrangements that serve the same purposes much better and at a fraction of the price.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It's hard not to hit "Agree" for most of the comments on this thread, but I think yours strips the matter down to its essence.

    In this case, the GSS question on this subject makes the elementary marketer's error of not weighing alternatives.

    "Would you like more ice cream?"

    Overwhelming yes.

    "Would you like more ice cream if you have to pay for it?"

    Well that's a different question.

    "Would you like more ice cream for others if you're the one paying for it?"

    Eff that.

    "Would you like more police?"

    Sure.

    "Would you like more police if you have to pay for it?"

    Well that's a different question.

    "Would you like more police for others if you're the one paying for it?"

    Eff that.

    I suspect most taxpayers would be happy reducing/defunding the police if the taxpayers can keep the savings to "make other arrangements" as you say. But of course, that's not what the Defunders are offering. They are offering to reduce the police you pay for and steal the savings for themselves as a fake "community" grift. So it's the same high taxes, but with less security, and subsidizing society's worst elements: lose-lose-lose for taxpayers, win for race-mongering tax parasites. Just say no. Then do it anyway by starving it from the tax end rather than letting it be stolen at the service end.

    In The Current Year, when everything is really a coded racial argument, an honest conversation on this subject cannot be had. Therefore, devolution and privatization is the only workable answer in these circumstances, by default, if nothing else. In practice that means private or public/private security for upper middle class+ neighborhoods, citizen militia for working class neighborhoods, and big man gangsterism for the ghetto. As a bonus, the occasional Fentanyl Floyd oopsies will end up as tedious local civil court matters rather than as the local-state-federal-global Passion Plays and Crucifixions of Officers Chauvin as presently.

    A lot of twentieth century institutions have outlived their usefulness: NATO, central banking, army-of-occupation police departments. We do ourselves and our posterity a disservice by artificially preserving them beyond their expiration dates. Our energies will be better spent planning and arranging for what is coming, one way or another.

    Replies: @nymom

  15. @Kratoklastes
    Here's a way to find out that the people claim to want more money spent on police are full of shit: make it voluntary.

    Chuck an extra $1000 on some or other tax bill with a header

    Additional Policing Charge

    You said you wanted more money spent on cops - pay up, bitch.... $1000.00

    Alternatively, tick the box below to signal your desire to be exempted from the extra policing charge.

     ☐ I need to go fuck myself"


     

    They want more money spent - but invariably they want it to be more of everyone else's money.

    Y'all faux-conservative badge-lickers are just showing that you want them gibs - exactly, exactly, identically like the 'dindus' that you castigate for wanting people to pay for the stuff that they want.

    Want more fucktard Stormtrooper-LARPing high-school underperformers? Make a donation, bitch.

    Pay for your insecurity yourselves - like you do when you buy an SUV that you can't drive or park properly.

    Beta people are fucking expensive - 'dindu' welfare recipients cost much less than craven weak bitch Save-Me-MommyState 'conservative' types, because all the dindus want is enough money to buy some a forty and maybe some weed, whereas weak bitch beta-male badge-lickers put us on the hook for an MRAP and full body armour for every town with more than 250 people.

    "We want to spend more on pigs" - Knock yourself out, weak bitches. Give your local department your bank details and tell them to take what they need - or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous (n), @mr meener

    Don’t a lot of whites pay for private security? Isn’t that a de facto way of buying more police protection?

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Diversity Heretic

    Men with guns who work for you are different than men with guns who work for other people.

    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @Diversity Heretic

    See s lot of that in downtown Newark, NJ.

    Lynching was an effective way of keeping the peace.

  16. @Kratoklastes
    Here's a way to find out that the people claim to want more money spent on police are full of shit: make it voluntary.

    Chuck an extra $1000 on some or other tax bill with a header

    Additional Policing Charge

    You said you wanted more money spent on cops - pay up, bitch.... $1000.00

    Alternatively, tick the box below to signal your desire to be exempted from the extra policing charge.

     ☐ I need to go fuck myself"


     

    They want more money spent - but invariably they want it to be more of everyone else's money.

    Y'all faux-conservative badge-lickers are just showing that you want them gibs - exactly, exactly, identically like the 'dindus' that you castigate for wanting people to pay for the stuff that they want.

    Want more fucktard Stormtrooper-LARPing high-school underperformers? Make a donation, bitch.

    Pay for your insecurity yourselves - like you do when you buy an SUV that you can't drive or park properly.

    Beta people are fucking expensive - 'dindu' welfare recipients cost much less than craven weak bitch Save-Me-MommyState 'conservative' types, because all the dindus want is enough money to buy some a forty and maybe some weed, whereas weak bitch beta-male badge-lickers put us on the hook for an MRAP and full body armour for every town with more than 250 people.

    "We want to spend more on pigs" - Knock yourself out, weak bitches. Give your local department your bank details and tell them to take what they need - or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous (n), @mr meener

    Nice one dipshit. Why would anyone volunteer to pay for a service that EVERYONE would benefit from whether they ponied up or not. If paying for the police becomes optional and I pay, you better believe I expect the result to be my own personal goon squad that responds to 911 calls by freeloading libertardian cunts like yourself with drive by shootings instead of assistance.

    • Agree: VinnyVette
    • Replies: @Mokiki
    @Anonymous (n)

    Maybe you could buy a contract with the police for priority service much like contracts with an HVAC or plumbing company.

  17. @Diversity Heretic
    @Kratoklastes

    Don't a lot of whites pay for private security? Isn't that a de facto way of buying more police protection?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Men with guns who work for you are different than men with guns who work for other people.

  18. I believe AE was speaking favorably about peaceful separation on this blog not long ago. That would be great, but does anyone really believe they will let us separate peacefully? The police are agents of our kakistocratic state. They defend the status quo and the interests of the kakistocracy.

    The enemies of good and truth have very helpfully put themselves on display all over the country. And celebrities, corporations, and public leaders are all ostentatiously signaling their support for the protestors. They dutifully repeat the lie of systemic racism.

    Everywhere the police stand down, because that is what the kakistocracy orders. They let people’s businesses be looted, good people be killed and beloved monuments be defaced. The suffering of ordinary people is meaningless to them.

    People are treated harshly for daring to fight back against the looters.

    To the calls to defund the police, I say, “Oh, please, don’t throw me in that briar patch.”

    • Agree: Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    • Replies: @Lowe
    @Cloudbuster

    Yes, the enemies of truth certainly have revealed themselves over the last couple weeks. Guess what. It's everybody!

    Everybody with any money anyway. It had been very depressing to see the nearly universal anti-white posturing. Whether sincere or not, does not matter.

    Increasingly it looks like there will be only two options moving forward: run, or fight. The middle ground of keeping your head down, earning an income, raising a family, hoping all this will eventually stop, it vanishes by the day.

  19. @Diversity Heretic
    @Kratoklastes

    Don't a lot of whites pay for private security? Isn't that a de facto way of buying more police protection?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    See s lot of that in downtown Newark, NJ.

    Lynching was an effective way of keeping the peace.

  20. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    >I am generally pro-cop, but I do also oppose greater funding for the police, because I know the extra funding does not produce extra security for the general public.

    So, like schools, more funding doesn't translate into better results.

    > Implementing the right policies

    Such as?

    Replies: @Wency, @Twinkie

    The best move I can think of is an old-fashioned one: discourage single motherhood. I can think of a lot of ways to try to do this, both carrots and sticks, but I’m not sure which ones would work, and in any event all of them would be deeply politically unpalatable in this decadent age.

    Discouraging single motherhood works via both the nurture-based method of keeping a father in the picture, and the nature-based method of discouraging women from getting pregnant by irresponsible men in the first place (who will pass on their DNA to make irresponsible children).

    But decadence is the reason why we have no real solutions. So we default to a heavy-handed police presence, and then we occasionally cry about it, but we don’t make any real changes.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Wency

    That ship has sailed.

  21. Curious about what Curtis Sliwa has to say about this. Maybe time for a resurgence and organizing at the national level for his Guardian Angels…

    • Replies: @anon
    @VinnyVette

    Curious about what Curtis Sliwa has to say about this.

    Thought he was running for Mayor of NYC next year. Why don't you phone in to his talk show today and ask him?

    Maybe time for a resurgence and organizing at the national level for his Guardian Angels…

    Ok, Urban Boomer!

    You know, there's a lot of land west of the Hudson and east of Malibu. A lot...thousands of miles!

    lol.

    Replies: @VinnyVette

  22. @Elmer's Washable School Glue
    Even if you uncritically accept the entire "BLM" frame--black petty criminals are good, cops are bad and tyrannical and need to be neutered--defunding will still make things worse rather than better. Stuff like body cameras and "implicit bias training" (lol) cost money. And do these people really think an overstretched, exhausted, embittered police force is going to act more calmly and carefully? I'm not a blind advocate of "throwing money at a problem" but expecting police to undergo a radical reformation while having their funding cut is just delusional.


    I don't think police brutality is currently a systemic problem--just the occasional bad (or scared) actor--but if this defunding movement actually takes off, expect "brutality" incidents to take off as well.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Audacious Epigone

    And do these people really think an overstretched, exhausted, embittered police force is going to act more calmly and carefully?

    From the funding proposal, looks like the teachers’ union will step in instead. Don’t worry, buddy, they’ve got this.

  23. @Wency
    @nebulafox

    The best move I can think of is an old-fashioned one: discourage single motherhood. I can think of a lot of ways to try to do this, both carrots and sticks, but I'm not sure which ones would work, and in any event all of them would be deeply politically unpalatable in this decadent age.

    Discouraging single motherhood works via both the nurture-based method of keeping a father in the picture, and the nature-based method of discouraging women from getting pregnant by irresponsible men in the first place (who will pass on their DNA to make irresponsible children).

    But decadence is the reason why we have no real solutions. So we default to a heavy-handed police presence, and then we occasionally cry about it, but we don't make any real changes.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    That ship has sailed.

  24. Defunding the police is the maximalist position, and it is correct to start negotiations here. You state your full demands up front, and then generously negotiate with your opponents to find a settlement somewhere in the middle. This is an orthodox stance to take, but people in the USA forget this, because limp-wristed liberal Democrats so often cave to Republicans.

  25. @Talha
    @Talha

    Speaking of “Seven Samurai”...and since it’s off topic...see below.

    Peace.

    I recently pitched an idea to a brother I know in the film industry that is a Mamluk version of Seven Samurai, set in the Crusader era with rogue and leaderless elements of Latin armies that are stand ins for the bandits taking advantage of the lawlessness in the region. And the villagers pool money to collectively buy capable veteran slave soldiers (Mamluks) to save their village from plunder. The main character is a retired Ayyubid general that had served under Saladin (ra) but became increasingly disillusioned with the corruption under his heirs and retired to the countryside before the Mamluks took over. Another character is a reformed ex-Hashashin that has renounced violence after coming into contact with the spiritual master Abdul-Qadir Jilani (ra), but is convinced to lend his skills to train and take up arms again to protect the hapless villagers.

    The brother loved the idea and said, coincidentally that he is trying to get a similar project off the ground about the short-lived reign of Shajar ad-Durr (the queen of Egypt that was central to the transition from the Ayyubid dynasty - her first husband - and the Mamluk dynasty - her second husband). So this might be a follow up project.

    If you ever see The Seven Mamluks on the big screen, you heard it here first!

    Replies: @Fluesterwitz

    I would watch these.

  26. A123 says:

    This highlights another problem of huge cities.

    The proper method for police funding is:
    — Citizens choose how much local policing they want.
    — Local taxes are set to fund the local policing.
    — Citizens pay the taxes.
    As long as small cities have shared, common values this works.

    The system breaks down when the funding area becomes large. Policing becomes another “transfer payment” where taxes from one group of citizens appears to subsidize another. Human nature being what it is, everyone believes the other side is receiving too much and paying too little.

    High density, urban “Blue Cities” with their disease spreading mass transit systems are failed constructs. Essentially all services, including police and schools, are degraded by the lack of shared values. Without shared values, level and funding of policing is guaranteed to bring contentious battles over transfer payments.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Wency
    @A123

    Your point about transfer payments is valid in some cases, but not in this one. The people and organizations that want the police are the ones that pay for them.

    Unsurprisingly, the police also have a tendency to serve the interests and desires of those who pay for them somewhat better than those who don't. Though the fact that mayors are democratically elected means that the wishes of the unwashed masses can't be completely ignored.

    Replies: @A123

    , @res
    @A123

    Your transfer payments argument has merit, but I think the more important point lies in your: "As long as small cities have shared, common values this works."

    I think it is clear the bigger problem is a lack of shared values (as in pretty much totally divergent views) concerning the appropriate levels of:
    - Crime.
    - Enforcement.

    Yet another example where segregation actually made a good bit of sense. At this point voluntary segregation (by values rather than races, though I would expect significant correlations between the two) seems more and more appealing.

    Replies: @A123

  27. The push to defund municipal police departments is being considered by elected officials in many large American cities:

    If all large cities disappear…no loss to me. Large cities are shitholes. The citizens of large cities elected the dumbass leaders they have.

  28. @A123
    This highlights another problem of huge cities.

    The proper method for police funding is:
    -- Citizens choose how much local policing they want.
    -- Local taxes are set to fund the local policing.
    -- Citizens pay the taxes.
    As long as small cities have shared, common values this works.

    The system breaks down when the funding area becomes large. Policing becomes another "transfer payment" where taxes from one group of citizens appears to subsidize another. Human nature being what it is, everyone believes the other side is receiving too much and paying too little.

    High density, urban "Blue Cities" with their disease spreading mass transit systems are failed constructs. Essentially all services, including police and schools, are degraded by the lack of shared values. Without shared values, level and funding of policing is guaranteed to bring contentious battles over transfer payments.

    PEACE 😷

    Replies: @Wency, @res

    Your point about transfer payments is valid in some cases, but not in this one. The people and organizations that want the police are the ones that pay for them.

    Unsurprisingly, the police also have a tendency to serve the interests and desires of those who pay for them somewhat better than those who don’t. Though the fact that mayors are democratically elected means that the wishes of the unwashed masses can’t be completely ignored.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wency

    Consider how much better the situation would be if "Little Somalia" in Minneapolis was its own city with its own police force.

    Justine Diamond would be alive. The violent Somali Muslim police officer Mohamed Noor (1) would never have encountered the defenseless woman who called 911 in good faith.

    An "outsider" would not have responded to Floyd's counterfeiting and probable drug dealing. He would have been detained by his own people and there never would have been a news story sparking the current absurdity.

    PEACE 😷
    _______


    (1) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mohamed-noor-verdict-ex-minneapolis-officer-guilty-police-shooting-911-caller-justine-damond-today-2019-04-30/

  29. anon[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @VinnyVette
    Curious about what Curtis Sliwa has to say about this. Maybe time for a resurgence and organizing at the national level for his Guardian Angels...

    Replies: @anon

    Curious about what Curtis Sliwa has to say about this.

    Thought he was running for Mayor of NYC next year. Why don’t you phone in to his talk show today and ask him?

    Maybe time for a resurgence and organizing at the national level for his Guardian Angels…

    Ok, Urban Boomer!

    You know, there’s a lot of land west of the Hudson and east of Malibu. A lot…thousands of miles!

    lol.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @anon

    Hey I'm about twenty years too young to be a boomer... Aren't you a cool bastard!
    Ok troll!

  30. @Tusk
    Defund negro welfare.

    Replies: @Lowe, @songbird

    If you did de-fund welfare programs for the poor, at the federal and state levels, you actually could de-fund most municipal police.

    Young black men would be too busy working to support their mothers and girlfriends, to do crime.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Lowe

    Today's young black "men" (hood rats) are too hot-headed to take orders and too stupid to learn useful jobs.  They've been indoctrinated to blame YT (whitey) for everything wrong with their lives, so they'd go on a stealing and robbing spree instead (going for those "reparations").  It could go one of two ways from there:

    1.  The police go anarcho-tyrant and crack down on the people defending themselves.  Civilization disappears.
    2.  The police let the public take care of the problem and sweep up afterward.

    The mothers and sisters would either follow in the same footsteps or starve in place.  They're all just as stupid, many more violent, and will steal anything.

  31. Lowe says:
    @Cloudbuster
    I believe AE was speaking favorably about peaceful separation on this blog not long ago. That would be great, but does anyone really believe they will let us separate peacefully? The police are agents of our kakistocratic state. They defend the status quo and the interests of the kakistocracy.

    The enemies of good and truth have very helpfully put themselves on display all over the country. And celebrities, corporations, and public leaders are all ostentatiously signaling their support for the protestors. They dutifully repeat the lie of systemic racism.

    Everywhere the police stand down, because that is what the kakistocracy orders. They let people's businesses be looted, good people be killed and beloved monuments be defaced. The suffering of ordinary people is meaningless to them.

    People are treated harshly for daring to fight back against the looters.

    To the calls to defund the police, I say, "Oh, please, don't throw me in that briar patch."

    Replies: @Lowe

    Yes, the enemies of truth certainly have revealed themselves over the last couple weeks. Guess what. It’s everybody!

    Everybody with any money anyway. It had been very depressing to see the nearly universal anti-white posturing. Whether sincere or not, does not matter.

    Increasingly it looks like there will be only two options moving forward: run, or fight. The middle ground of keeping your head down, earning an income, raising a family, hoping all this will eventually stop, it vanishes by the day.

  32. A123 says:
    @Wency
    @A123

    Your point about transfer payments is valid in some cases, but not in this one. The people and organizations that want the police are the ones that pay for them.

    Unsurprisingly, the police also have a tendency to serve the interests and desires of those who pay for them somewhat better than those who don't. Though the fact that mayors are democratically elected means that the wishes of the unwashed masses can't be completely ignored.

    Replies: @A123

    Consider how much better the situation would be if “Little Somalia” in Minneapolis was its own city with its own police force.

    Justine Diamond would be alive. The violent Somali Muslim police officer Mohamed Noor (1) would never have encountered the defenseless woman who called 911 in good faith.

    An “outsider” would not have responded to Floyd’s counterfeiting and probable drug dealing. He would have been detained by his own people and there never would have been a news story sparking the current absurdity.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mohamed-noor-verdict-ex-minneapolis-officer-guilty-police-shooting-911-caller-justine-damond-today-2019-04-30/

  33. I think where this actually ends up is not with the police being unfunded, but with every police precinct having a political officer, the way the USSR did with its armed forces. Of course, the position won’t be called that, because that would be getting a little too close to the actual truth. Colleges already have this with their vice chancellors for equity and inclusion (or whatever they call it), but the purpose is the same, that is, to enforce ideological conformity.

  34. @nebulafox
    @Talha

    1) Criminals.

    2) Sentimental morons with no understanding of human nature, because their lives are so cushioned they can get away with that.

    3) "Warlord personalities" that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.

    Those are the constituencies who want no police.

    It might just be that relying off MSNBC's view of the world is not a politically wise move.

    Replies: @Talha, @Twinkie, @Chris Mallory

    3) “Warlord personalities” that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.

    Not any different than the government we have now. Cops are the raiders and looters of the governing class.

    Cops need to be disarmed. Citizens should be armed, not government employees.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    @Chris Mallory

    Everybody should be disarmed except me.

  35. res says:
    @A123
    This highlights another problem of huge cities.

    The proper method for police funding is:
    -- Citizens choose how much local policing they want.
    -- Local taxes are set to fund the local policing.
    -- Citizens pay the taxes.
    As long as small cities have shared, common values this works.

    The system breaks down when the funding area becomes large. Policing becomes another "transfer payment" where taxes from one group of citizens appears to subsidize another. Human nature being what it is, everyone believes the other side is receiving too much and paying too little.

    High density, urban "Blue Cities" with their disease spreading mass transit systems are failed constructs. Essentially all services, including police and schools, are degraded by the lack of shared values. Without shared values, level and funding of policing is guaranteed to bring contentious battles over transfer payments.

    PEACE 😷

    Replies: @Wency, @res

    Your transfer payments argument has merit, but I think the more important point lies in your: “As long as small cities have shared, common values this works.”

    I think it is clear the bigger problem is a lack of shared values (as in pretty much totally divergent views) concerning the appropriate levels of:
    – Crime.
    – Enforcement.

    Yet another example where segregation actually made a good bit of sense. At this point voluntary segregation (by values rather than races, though I would expect significant correlations between the two) seems more and more appealing.

    • Replies: @A123
    @res


    I think it is clear the bigger problem is a lack of shared values (as in pretty much totally divergent views) concerning the appropriate levels of:
    – Crime.
    – Enforcement.
     
    I concur.

    With enough enforcement, crime can be cut to zero. However, I do not want to live there.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    https://youtu.be/6MUQsFjILMM?t=2
  36. This is hilarious. The socialist left is implementing the libertarian wet dream of private police.

    If these guys thought the local police department that reported to the chill yoga pants mayor was bad, they’re really not going to like Blackwater neighborhood security that reports to the owner of a boat dealership.

    If they don’t like it, they can file a suit against the private police in a private court: Costco legal arbitration service, brought to you by Carl’s Jr.

    Also, we could finally see white South Africans start to immigrate into the United States, as their expertise in running private security amid an anti-white somewhat anglo legal system will be highly valued.

    Finally, remember these words: employer-based police service.

  37. @Chris Mallory
    @nebulafox


    3) “Warlord personalities” that want to lead the militant bands that will probably replace the vacuum left by no effective policing eventually.
     
    Not any different than the government we have now. Cops are the raiders and looters of the governing class.

    Cops need to be disarmed. Citizens should be armed, not government employees.

    Replies: @WorkingClass

    Everybody should be disarmed except me.

  38. A123 says:
    @res
    @A123

    Your transfer payments argument has merit, but I think the more important point lies in your: "As long as small cities have shared, common values this works."

    I think it is clear the bigger problem is a lack of shared values (as in pretty much totally divergent views) concerning the appropriate levels of:
    - Crime.
    - Enforcement.

    Yet another example where segregation actually made a good bit of sense. At this point voluntary segregation (by values rather than races, though I would expect significant correlations between the two) seems more and more appealing.

    Replies: @A123

    I think it is clear the bigger problem is a lack of shared values (as in pretty much totally divergent views) concerning the appropriate levels of:
    – Crime.
    – Enforcement.

    I concur.

    With enough enforcement, crime can be cut to zero. However, I do not want to live there.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

  39. @Tusk
    Defund negro welfare.

    Replies: @Lowe, @songbird

    In the same way that China set up special economic zones, the US should set up zones free of racial grifting.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  40. Since the early release of many felons and most lesser criminals from jail, shootings have increased around housing projects in NYC.

    So far, about 20% of the people identified as either victims or perps are early parolees or out with no bail for their crimes.

    It seems that when you are let out too early before the memory of the crime has time to fade I guess, retaliatory street justice is swift…

  41. @Intelligent Dasein
    Let's just go ahead and defund everything. We can make other arrangements that serve the same purposes much better and at a fraction of the price.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    It’s hard not to hit “Agree” for most of the comments on this thread, but I think yours strips the matter down to its essence.

    In this case, the GSS question on this subject makes the elementary marketer’s error of not weighing alternatives.

    “Would you like more ice cream?”

    Overwhelming yes.

    “Would you like more ice cream if you have to pay for it?”

    Well that’s a different question.

    “Would you like more ice cream for others if you’re the one paying for it?”

    Eff that.

    “Would you like more police?”

    Sure.

    “Would you like more police if you have to pay for it?”

    Well that’s a different question.

    “Would you like more police for others if you’re the one paying for it?”

    Eff that.

    I suspect most taxpayers would be happy reducing/defunding the police if the taxpayers can keep the savings to “make other arrangements” as you say. But of course, that’s not what the Defunders are offering. They are offering to reduce the police you pay for and steal the savings for themselves as a fake “community” grift. So it’s the same high taxes, but with less security, and subsidizing society’s worst elements: lose-lose-lose for taxpayers, win for race-mongering tax parasites. Just say no. Then do it anyway by starving it from the tax end rather than letting it be stolen at the service end.

    In The Current Year, when everything is really a coded racial argument, an honest conversation on this subject cannot be had. Therefore, devolution and privatization is the only workable answer in these circumstances, by default, if nothing else. In practice that means private or public/private security for upper middle class+ neighborhoods, citizen militia for working class neighborhoods, and big man gangsterism for the ghetto. As a bonus, the occasional Fentanyl Floyd oopsies will end up as tedious local civil court matters rather than as the local-state-federal-global Passion Plays and Crucifixions of Officers Chauvin as presently.

    A lot of twentieth century institutions have outlived their usefulness: NATO, central banking, army-of-occupation police departments. We do ourselves and our posterity a disservice by artificially preserving them beyond their expiration dates. Our energies will be better spent planning and arranging for what is coming, one way or another.

    • Replies: @nymom
    @Almost Missouri

    In the 70s and 80s many blocks on the upper West Side had their own private security officer working. Everybody who lived on the block paid into a fund and they used it to pay for a security officer who just walked up and down that one block all night to make sure there were no muggings or burglary, car theft, etc.,

    It could be that way again.

    But I don't think it will. I think a lot of that middle class that used to do things like that will just move now.

    The schools at that time on the upper West Side were better, the rents were a little cheaper and it probably paid if you liked the city vibe to live there for the extra security money...

    Now with rents for a 2 bedroom through the roof, which is the minimum you would need to have a family, the rents in my building are like $7,000 a month.

    You cannot use the public schools and now you probably can't even use public transportation.

    Combine this with periodic Corvid 19 lockdowns and rioting. I think it's just a little too much now.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  42. If the Zionists reduce their Janissaries, this is a GOOD thing.

    They are not really serving US you know.

    They serve and protect the Rich.

    Let the Rich defend themselves from the mob they created.

  43. @Lowe
    @Tusk

    If you did de-fund welfare programs for the poor, at the federal and state levels, you actually could de-fund most municipal police.

    Young black men would be too busy working to support their mothers and girlfriends, to do crime.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Today’s young black “men” (hood rats) are too hot-headed to take orders and too stupid to learn useful jobs.  They’ve been indoctrinated to blame YT (whitey) for everything wrong with their lives, so they’d go on a stealing and robbing spree instead (going for those “reparations”).  It could go one of two ways from there:

    1.  The police go anarcho-tyrant and crack down on the people defending themselves.  Civilization disappears.
    2.  The police let the public take care of the problem and sweep up afterward.

    The mothers and sisters would either follow in the same footsteps or starve in place.  They’re all just as stupid, many more violent, and will steal anything.

  44. The way I see it, the “defund the police” movement is just a less radical sounding version of the “abolish the police” movement.

    Before the establishment of what we know as “policing”, there were other ways of enforcing rules. As an example, think of the scene in “The Godfather” where the heads of the five families meet to decide how to defuse their inter-family war.

    Each clan has its own internal rules, enforced by the clan’s enforcers as they see fit. Any interaction between clans that results in a beef is settled through negotiation between the various clans’ leaders… failing that, clan warfare.

    That’s what they’re telling us they want. They want to live by and enforce their own laws on their own territory. The real question is: what are the boundaries of that territory?

    • Replies: @nymom
    @Technite78

    I'm okay with letting them enforce whatever rules they want or don't want in their territory. The issue, as you say, is the boundaries of what they consider "their territory" and what happens when it overruns into the neighborhoods that aren't their territory. Like now with the riots on 34th Street, for instance, and 5th Avenue.

    Also what about places like Central Park and schools in certain neighborhoods which are clearly not "their territory".

    I mean are we going to continue to see them wanting to do whatever they want in areas that are mostly inhabited by people of other races like Chinatown and middle class suburbs and then retreat to their own turf with their stolen loot and there's is nothing we can do about it?

    If that's the plan, it won't work unless people get far away from them and don't allow any public transportation or sewer lines in the areas they retreat to meaning only expensive single-family houses allowed and schools only for neighborhood kids.

    But will our politicians even allow that or will they continue pushing for forced integration into every segment/area of our lives.

    Then it's going to be a problem.

  45. @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It's hard not to hit "Agree" for most of the comments on this thread, but I think yours strips the matter down to its essence.

    In this case, the GSS question on this subject makes the elementary marketer's error of not weighing alternatives.

    "Would you like more ice cream?"

    Overwhelming yes.

    "Would you like more ice cream if you have to pay for it?"

    Well that's a different question.

    "Would you like more ice cream for others if you're the one paying for it?"

    Eff that.

    "Would you like more police?"

    Sure.

    "Would you like more police if you have to pay for it?"

    Well that's a different question.

    "Would you like more police for others if you're the one paying for it?"

    Eff that.

    I suspect most taxpayers would be happy reducing/defunding the police if the taxpayers can keep the savings to "make other arrangements" as you say. But of course, that's not what the Defunders are offering. They are offering to reduce the police you pay for and steal the savings for themselves as a fake "community" grift. So it's the same high taxes, but with less security, and subsidizing society's worst elements: lose-lose-lose for taxpayers, win for race-mongering tax parasites. Just say no. Then do it anyway by starving it from the tax end rather than letting it be stolen at the service end.

    In The Current Year, when everything is really a coded racial argument, an honest conversation on this subject cannot be had. Therefore, devolution and privatization is the only workable answer in these circumstances, by default, if nothing else. In practice that means private or public/private security for upper middle class+ neighborhoods, citizen militia for working class neighborhoods, and big man gangsterism for the ghetto. As a bonus, the occasional Fentanyl Floyd oopsies will end up as tedious local civil court matters rather than as the local-state-federal-global Passion Plays and Crucifixions of Officers Chauvin as presently.

    A lot of twentieth century institutions have outlived their usefulness: NATO, central banking, army-of-occupation police departments. We do ourselves and our posterity a disservice by artificially preserving them beyond their expiration dates. Our energies will be better spent planning and arranging for what is coming, one way or another.

    Replies: @nymom

    In the 70s and 80s many blocks on the upper West Side had their own private security officer working. Everybody who lived on the block paid into a fund and they used it to pay for a security officer who just walked up and down that one block all night to make sure there were no muggings or burglary, car theft, etc.,

    It could be that way again.

    But I don’t think it will. I think a lot of that middle class that used to do things like that will just move now.

    The schools at that time on the upper West Side were better, the rents were a little cheaper and it probably paid if you liked the city vibe to live there for the extra security money…

    Now with rents for a 2 bedroom through the roof, which is the minimum you would need to have a family, the rents in my building are like $7,000 a month.

    You cannot use the public schools and now you probably can’t even use public transportation.

    Combine this with periodic Corvid 19 lockdowns and rioting. I think it’s just a little too much now.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @nymom

    Do you think rents are going to come down on account of people leaving the city, and large cities more generally?

  46. @Technite78
    The way I see it, the "defund the police" movement is just a less radical sounding version of the "abolish the police" movement.

    Before the establishment of what we know as "policing", there were other ways of enforcing rules. As an example, think of the scene in "The Godfather" where the heads of the five families meet to decide how to defuse their inter-family war.

    Each clan has its own internal rules, enforced by the clan's enforcers as they see fit. Any interaction between clans that results in a beef is settled through negotiation between the various clans' leaders... failing that, clan warfare.

    That's what they're telling us they want. They want to live by and enforce their own laws on their own territory. The real question is: what are the boundaries of that territory?

    Replies: @nymom

    I’m okay with letting them enforce whatever rules they want or don’t want in their territory. The issue, as you say, is the boundaries of what they consider “their territory” and what happens when it overruns into the neighborhoods that aren’t their territory. Like now with the riots on 34th Street, for instance, and 5th Avenue.

    Also what about places like Central Park and schools in certain neighborhoods which are clearly not “their territory”.

    I mean are we going to continue to see them wanting to do whatever they want in areas that are mostly inhabited by people of other races like Chinatown and middle class suburbs and then retreat to their own turf with their stolen loot and there’s is nothing we can do about it?

    If that’s the plan, it won’t work unless people get far away from them and don’t allow any public transportation or sewer lines in the areas they retreat to meaning only expensive single-family houses allowed and schools only for neighborhood kids.

    But will our politicians even allow that or will they continue pushing for forced integration into every segment/area of our lives.

    Then it’s going to be a problem.

  47. “Municipal police departments” are a relatively new phenomenon in the grand scheme of human civilization. This concept of “law enforcement” is beholden to the power structure and not to the citizenry.

    In “the good old days”, the “sheriff” was the chief “law enforcement” individual in the county and had broad reign in his respective jurisdiction. When the need arose, ordinary citizens were “deputized” and were given limited “police authority” at the discretion of the “sheriff”. This was used during emergencies when there was a need for “manpower”.

    Today, this has morphed into the need for permanently appointed sheriff’s deputies.
    In order for a sheriff to be elected (and re-elected) he has to have a good reputation among the citizenry. Accountability to the citizenry is a large part of the equation.

    The “sheriff” model is still used in rural, sparsely populated counties in the united States.

    Fast forward to today, where the “chief of police” in the major urban areas is quite often a political “hack” whose allegiance is to the mayor and power structure, not the citizenry. This is a large part of the problem as it fosters an “us vs. them” attitude, where the citizenry (us) is considered to be the “enemy”. It gets worse, as city officials “pull back” their police when they should be doing just the opposite.

    The concept of “immunity” for public officials has been expanded to the point that police departments operate with impunity and have no problem abusing their power as the prosecutors, courts, and in general the “system” is heavily stacked against the victim of police abuses. It is almost impossible to sue police departments for abuses committed by their personnel.

    Individual police officers cannot be sued as they are “protected” from lawsuits by their official “immunity”. Even with incontrovertible video and audio evidence, police are rarely convicted of crimes. Juror intimidation is a large factor in the inability to reign in the “bad apples”. Police unions play a large part in whitewashing criminal behavior by police.

    Immunity negates responsibility and must be abolished.

    What we are experiencing today is “blowback”, something that I feared would occur, with the increasing number of publicized police abuse cases. Those who are attacking police see only the uniform and not the person wearing it.

    Not a good situation for either police or the citizenry…

    Just maybe it is time to abolish municipal police departments and go back to the sheriff model of “law enforcement”.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  48. @Kratoklastes
    Here's a way to find out that the people claim to want more money spent on police are full of shit: make it voluntary.

    Chuck an extra $1000 on some or other tax bill with a header

    Additional Policing Charge

    You said you wanted more money spent on cops - pay up, bitch.... $1000.00

    Alternatively, tick the box below to signal your desire to be exempted from the extra policing charge.

     ☐ I need to go fuck myself"


     

    They want more money spent - but invariably they want it to be more of everyone else's money.

    Y'all faux-conservative badge-lickers are just showing that you want them gibs - exactly, exactly, identically like the 'dindus' that you castigate for wanting people to pay for the stuff that they want.

    Want more fucktard Stormtrooper-LARPing high-school underperformers? Make a donation, bitch.

    Pay for your insecurity yourselves - like you do when you buy an SUV that you can't drive or park properly.

    Beta people are fucking expensive - 'dindu' welfare recipients cost much less than craven weak bitch Save-Me-MommyState 'conservative' types, because all the dindus want is enough money to buy some a forty and maybe some weed, whereas weak bitch beta-male badge-lickers put us on the hook for an MRAP and full body armour for every town with more than 250 people.

    "We want to spend more on pigs" - Knock yourself out, weak bitches. Give your local department your bank details and tell them to take what they need - or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous (n), @mr meener

    you are right the fake right are cowards

  49. Community based, Like in Georgia. What could go wrong?

  50. @Anonymous (n)
    @Kratoklastes

    Nice one dipshit. Why would anyone volunteer to pay for a service that EVERYONE would benefit from whether they ponied up or not. If paying for the police becomes optional and I pay, you better believe I expect the result to be my own personal goon squad that responds to 911 calls by freeloading libertardian cunts like yourself with drive by shootings instead of assistance.

    Replies: @Mokiki

    Maybe you could buy a contract with the police for priority service much like contracts with an HVAC or plumbing company.

  51. Thoughts on the DC Demolition Night allegedly happening tomorrow?

  52. @anon
    @VinnyVette

    Curious about what Curtis Sliwa has to say about this.

    Thought he was running for Mayor of NYC next year. Why don't you phone in to his talk show today and ask him?

    Maybe time for a resurgence and organizing at the national level for his Guardian Angels…

    Ok, Urban Boomer!

    You know, there's a lot of land west of the Hudson and east of Malibu. A lot...thousands of miles!

    lol.

    Replies: @VinnyVette

    Hey I’m about twenty years too young to be a boomer… Aren’t you a cool bastard!
    Ok troll!

  53. While some reorientation might be in order — an actual defunding sounds extreme. And I don’t think they literally mean defund. I think they are are talking about an overhaul of the very concept of policing as we have come to know it.

    That might work for some communities and not so well in others — since it has no meat and potatoes, it’s hard to say. Whether that is better than addressing specific structural issues grounded on attitudinal and historic practice — could probably stand some challenge.

  54. Community militias is what the Founding Fathers had in mind.

    Wise men were these Colonials, who had had British Troops trouncing them too much.

    Militias are what the Zionists truly fear.

    Free men with guns…

  55. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    >I am generally pro-cop, but I do also oppose greater funding for the police, because I know the extra funding does not produce extra security for the general public.

    So, like schools, more funding doesn't translate into better results.

    > Implementing the right policies

    Such as?

    Replies: @Wency, @Twinkie

    > Implementing the right policies

    Such as?

    First of all, note that the appropriate policies will depend on the demographics, e.g. Detroit will have different requirements than Singapore. With that said…

    • Replies: @Znzn
    @Twinkie

    What would Qin Shi Huang Di do?

    Replies: @nebulafox

  56. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    > Implementing the right policies

    Such as?
     

    First of all, note that the appropriate policies will depend on the demographics, e.g. Detroit will have different requirements than Singapore. With that said...

    https://youtu.be/FLsY6d2FbQw

    Replies: @Znzn

    What would Qin Shi Huang Di do?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Znzn

    Wrong people: Yi Sun-shin or Park Chung-Hee would be what you are getting at... though really, if you need to look to emperors, military commanders or dictators as inspiration to get effective policing measures, your 21st Century so-called developed society is starting off from a low ebb.

    Well, in any case, we're slated to live in interesting times. Let's hope they aren't too interesting.

  57. @Znzn
    @Twinkie

    What would Qin Shi Huang Di do?

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Wrong people: Yi Sun-shin or Park Chung-Hee would be what you are getting at… though really, if you need to look to emperors, military commanders or dictators as inspiration to get effective policing measures, your 21st Century so-called developed society is starting off from a low ebb.

    Well, in any case, we’re slated to live in interesting times. Let’s hope they aren’t too interesting.

  58. @Elmer's Washable School Glue
    Even if you uncritically accept the entire "BLM" frame--black petty criminals are good, cops are bad and tyrannical and need to be neutered--defunding will still make things worse rather than better. Stuff like body cameras and "implicit bias training" (lol) cost money. And do these people really think an overstretched, exhausted, embittered police force is going to act more calmly and carefully? I'm not a blind advocate of "throwing money at a problem" but expecting police to undergo a radical reformation while having their funding cut is just delusional.


    I don't think police brutality is currently a systemic problem--just the occasional bad (or scared) actor--but if this defunding movement actually takes off, expect "brutality" incidents to take off as well.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Audacious Epigone

    Is it unreasonable to work on the assumption that defunding is a temporary measure on the way to abolition?

  59. @nymom
    @Almost Missouri

    In the 70s and 80s many blocks on the upper West Side had their own private security officer working. Everybody who lived on the block paid into a fund and they used it to pay for a security officer who just walked up and down that one block all night to make sure there were no muggings or burglary, car theft, etc.,

    It could be that way again.

    But I don't think it will. I think a lot of that middle class that used to do things like that will just move now.

    The schools at that time on the upper West Side were better, the rents were a little cheaper and it probably paid if you liked the city vibe to live there for the extra security money...

    Now with rents for a 2 bedroom through the roof, which is the minimum you would need to have a family, the rents in my building are like $7,000 a month.

    You cannot use the public schools and now you probably can't even use public transportation.

    Combine this with periodic Corvid 19 lockdowns and rioting. I think it's just a little too much now.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Do you think rents are going to come down on account of people leaving the city, and large cities more generally?

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