Though it will upset Wokians…

almost all of whom marry within their race, or perhaps others with nearly matching skin color and IQ…

Blacks are enthusiastic about marriage in general, but have lower rates and higher incidence of divorce.

Somewhere the IFS is scheming to hoodwink people into POConservatism with this narrative.

I don’t know. Almost 20% of new babies born are interracial (note that this chart was for 2010-15, so the current numbers are 3-4% higher), and 89% of those fit the description of ‘white + non-white’.

‘Lower Enthusiasm’ is not the exact antithesis of ‘vehemently oppose’, plus the trend is indisputably rising.

I suspect there is a sizable variation in those numbers based on SES, especially for whites. There is also the fact that these are stated preferences. Actual marriages show the revealed preferences.

Plus, there is considerable data to prove that among 2nd gen Asian-Americans and Hispanic-Americans, intermarriage rates exceed 30% (and over 90% of those are with whites).

There’s a tendency of Hispanics to identify as “multiracial”, and a tendency of people to overrepresent Native American ancestry.

The above GSS data:

Is it all age ranges. The data for under 40 is more powerful, the date for those above the normal age of marriage less so.

There’s a tendency of Hispanics to identify as “multiracial”, and a tendency of people to overrepresent Native American ancestry.

We have to assume the polls adjust for that, since the percent of ‘multiracial’ adults is far too few to account for a majority of Hispanics.

Is it all age ranges. The data for under 40 is more powerful, the date for those above the normal age of marriage less so.

Of course. Only people young enough to marry matter. This data is skewed by older people.

The fact remains that about 20% of babies born are multi-racial. 2nd-gen Asian-Americans intermarry at a rate of over 30%. Twinkie is the one who has more data about this, though.

Blacks are, relative to others, quite enthusiastic for close relatives marrying in general. With an out-of-wedlock rate of 70%, marriage to anyone at all means you’ve beaten the odds–and your auntie is so proud you did!

Or maybe blacks are just more tolerant than other groups?

I don’t see any conclusion from this except that whites, as a group, are every bit as close minded as the left makes them out to be, despite white protests to the contrary. Also that whites are everyone else’s second choice and blacks are everyone else’s last choice.

Though it will upset Wokians, notice that after enthusiasm for intraracial marriage, each non-white group prefers close relatives marry whites over marrying from another group in the coalition that is not their own. It is going to take a lot of work to extirpate the legacy of white supremacy from the multiracial paradise of the future.

This is a very positive thing. This is what you want to see in any nation. That the newcomers, and their descendants want to marry *toward* the core, or at least have somewhat positiev feelings about their relatives doing it.

Note that along with the above skew toward whites, there is a corresponding skew away from blacks. They are at the bottom of the “not-my-own” groups for all other groups.

If there’s something perplexing it’s why all the intra-race numbers aren’t basically 99%. Ok, i can come up with some plausible reasons for the Hispanic and Asian numbers–basically marrying toward the core, and in the Asian case, “Asian” doesn’t necessary mean “your group”. But what the heck is wrong with whites?

Over 90%? No way man, Asians and Hispanics marry a ton of blacks, Hispanics and especially “other”. I’m actually not even sure they’re less popular than whites, they certainly are not relative to census figures. “Other” is the most popular category relative to population size.

This might be valid for blacks and whites, but probably much less so for Hispanics and Asians.

“Hispanic” includes a large variety of people. Mexican mestizos generally don’t identify with say Puerto Rican mulattoes or black Dominicans and aren’t going to prefer their relatives marry them over non-Hispanics just because they’re Hispanic.

“Asian” includes South and East Asians, and various ethnic groups within these categories. An Indian may prefer their relatives marry Indians, and a Chinese may prefer relatives to marry Chinese, but I’ve never heard of an Indian preferring their relatives marry Chinese because they’re “Asian”, or a Chinese preferring their relatives marry Indians because they’re “Asian”. Same goes for intra-East Asian or intra-South Asian groups. A Chinese may prefer their relatives marry Chinese, but generally they don’t prefer them marrying say Japanese just because they’re “Asian”.

Blacks and whites in the US are so mixed up that they don’t have ethnic identities. But Hispanics, Asians and other still have them. So the groups aren’t really comparable. If Hispanics and Asians were mixed thoroughly into single populations, they’d be comparable. But that hasn’t happened yet.

This correlates pretty closely with what you see for dating preferences on Tinder, basically AA’s are hitting on anything that moves, but nobody is hitting on them in return

I’m not sure that the graph actually means anything. For starters there’s no such race as Hispanic.

And what does Asian mean? It’s too broad to mean anything at all. I’m guessing that most people would feel differently about their daughter deciding to marry a subcontinental Hindu or a nice South Korean Christian boy.

And while race may well be real in a biological sense, it’s also a social construct.

On the other side of the ledger, Thomm, you’ve got to realize that virtually all those interracial babies (with the exception of a handful of mulattoes) are going to grow up culturally “white”. They themselves will most likely marry white people, and within one or two more generations their descendants will be phenotypically white as well. White people absorb and assimilate Asians and Hispanics quite readily.

Regarding confounding due to socioeconomic status, I had the same thought that such was possible. But then I noted that White distaste for Hispanics and for Asians for family marriage was equivalent. Wouldn’t the Asian engineer rank higher due to his SES? Perhaps the Asian engineer would have been rated as more distasteful than the Hispanic DMV clerk, but his SES pulled him up.

In any case, all of this reminds me of Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, in which Spencer Tracey tries to reconcile his prejudices when his daughter brings home a successful, nice, handsome Black physician (Poitier). This must happen all the time now in my California…”Mom, Dad, this is Jenny NotWhite, my decent, smart, pleasant, industrious, beautiful, lean, compassionate, supportive, fair-minded girlfriend; Jen, meet Skip (“the surfing golferdude”) Smith, and his wife, Betty-Jo.”

And while race may well be real in a biological sense, it’s also a social construct.

Cuck.

Funny thing is that the inter-racial couplings one sees on TV or in the movies seem far more numerous, involve better looking people, and have almost the opposite sex-pairings compared to inter-racial couplings one encounters in real life.

I hope that was sarc, Rosie. He’s actually one of the most astute commentators on this site.

This is surprising given that blacks otherwise seem to have the most ethnocentric attitudes and whites the least

He’s actually one of the most astute commentators on this site.

First of all, I disagree. Second of all, even if true, that doesn’t change the fact that he is a cuck on race. He has said in so many words that he doesn’t really care about the survival of the White race.

Can you break down data for Latinos into White and Non-White?

For all groups male/female.

Blacks and “marriage” is an oxymoron. Blacks are into breeding, not “marriage.”

I’m guessing that most people would feel differently about their daughter deciding to marry a subcontinental Hindu or a nice South Korean Christian boy.

Would they? That’s a very doubtful assumption.

he doesn’t really care about the survival of the White race

Strawman. Straw idea?

The white race is not disappearing.

First of all, I disagree.

I think that you simply evaluate a commenter based upon the degree with which he agrees with you. That’s a valid criterion for you, but it does not scale into the real world.

(with the exception of a handful of mulattoes) are going to grow up culturally “white”.

And what % of these will do an Obama?

It’s almost like they realize they possess the lowest SMV.

Anyone that states that race is a social construct has been into the airplane glue.

I’m not clear on how to read this graph.

Am I to understand that, say, in the “Among Whites” category that Blacks are 20% while Asians are almost 35% in their enthusiasm that Whites are marrying within their own race? And so forth.

Oh, and cluster graphs? Forget it. Wikipedia is no help there, either.

I’m a fairly intelligent guy, but never had much of an interest in statistics (aside from citing them ツ), so I readily admit my ignorance here.

Help!

I’m guessing that most people would feel differently about their daughter deciding to marry a subcontinental Hindu or a nice South Korean Christian boy.

Would they? That’s a very doubtful assumption.

You think so?

White nationalists are fond of saying that people would like their grandchildren to resemble them. That’s undoubtedly true, but not necessarily in the way that white nationalists think it’s true.

I think it’s fair to say that most Christians would like their grandchildren to be Christians. So they might well prefer their children to marry black Christians rather than white atheists. And I’m guessing that Pakistani Muslims would prefer their kid to marry a white Muslim rather than a Pakistani atheist SJW. All liberals would like their grandchildren to be liberals, regardless of colour.

In the real world religion and culture (and even political ideology) often trumps race.

Anyone that states that race is a social construct has been into the airplane glue.

I believe that race is both biologically and socially constructed. There’s a world of difference between believing that and believing (as liberals do) that race is purely a social construct.

Hispanic as a race is almost entirely socially constructed. But people apparently think it’s real. I have no idea why.

I think that you simply evaluate a commenter based upon the degree with which he agrees with you. That’s a valid criterion for you, but it does not scale into the real world.

The extent to which a commenter agrees with me is a reasonably good proxy for how intelligent, thoughtful, and fair-minded they are.

I know that sounds terribly arrogant, but why would I not assume this? It’s not as though I just picked my opinions at random from a basket. I hold the opinions I hold because I have evaluated the evidence and applied the rules of logic to arrive at what I believe to be sound conclusions.

Take the fact that men are better at math than women. I don’t particularly like this fact, but I acknowledge it nonetheless. Relatively few around here are as intellectually honest as that. They cherry pick evidence, hold double standards, and refuse to own up to the logical implications of their premises.

The white race is not disappearing.

You only say that because you’re not projecting trends into the future. There are no Whites in India, few in North Africa.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_exclusion_principle

Slightly OT, but on the Wall Street Journal Report morning radio program (Salem Radio between 5:00–6:00AM) there is commercial for AdoptUSKids which irritates the həck out of me. And it plays three times in every last half hour of the program.

The feature is entitled, Adopting a Teenager: Learning the Lingo. The intro voiceover is performed by a child, which then proceeds directly to a lesson in talking “teen language” where parents are given instructions by … a Black male.

Well isn’t that just peachy-keen. Oh yeah, Black males – real experts on childrearing, they.

Whenever I hear it coming I have to switch the radio off it is just that stomach-churning in its gall.

Add that to the list of Black cultural oxymorons.

No, really nobody among non-whites prefers their IQ/skin color “close cousins”. They all prefer whites. W-H-I-T-E-S.

Interesting that while each group of course prefers their relatives marry within their own group (imagine that) but I noticed that every group’s second choice is whites, and every group’s last choice is blacks. Seems like racism by the Asians and Hispanics at least. How can this be since per the media whites are all terrible people and blacks are world renowned for their intelligence, hard work and loyalty to spouses? Can’t the racists be arrested or something?

It’s equally biological and social.

Only an American would call someone who is 1/16th black and 15/16ths white a “black person”.

The one drop rule is an American invention. I don’t know of any other cultures that practice hypodescent.

Also, using the term “white” as a “race” instead of “Caucasoid”. White is not a biological race. Caucasoid is. But Caucasoids also include white Hispanics, Romani people, the Ashkenazim, Middle Easterners, and Subcons. And white Americans be having none of that.

White is a social group. Caucasoid is a biological race. If you are a Caucasoid, you are in the same macro gene cluster as Jews, Gypsies, and white Hispanics.

This is true. Many of the most dedicated white Christians would rather their son marry a black Christian than a white Satanist.

You’re forgetting that the majority of White Americans are non-SWPL. That is to say, they are not UC or UMC. Not even MMC.

About 59% of White Americans are proles. Meaning, they are LC or LMC. Only 41% of us are MMC, UMC, or UC.

Among LC and LMC Whites, your cousin marrying a Hispanic is greatly preferable to him marrying an Asian. Most LC and LMC Whites don’t hate Asians, they just think that they are weird. Whereas prole Whites have a lot more interaction with Hispanics, and thus don’t think they are as weird.

Among MMC, UMC, and UC Whites, your cousin marrying an Asian or Jew is greatly preferable to him marrying a Hispanic. Hispanics are perceived the same way as Blacks and prole Whites. Whereas Jews and Asians are seen as socially, economically, and educationally “in the same ballpark” as SWPLs.

The extent to which [a person] agrees with me is a reasonably good proxy for how intelligent, thoughtful, and fair-minded they are.

OK, who left the Scotch out?

From the graph title it sounds as though the question actually asked was “How enthusiastic are you about having a close relative marry a Y?”, Y being “white”, “Hispanic”, “black”, and “Asian” successively.

More relevant paragraph from original post:

Calculated as (2*[strongly approve])+[approve]-[disapprove]-(2*[strongly disapprove]) from a series of questions asking respondents about how they would feel if “a close relative” married a member of each of the four major racial/ethnic groups under consideration

Okay. That and indocon’s Tinder comment is helping make sense of this. Thanks.

I know that sounds terribly arrogant, but why would I not assume this?

Right, I do the same, more or less. That’s why I said that it was valid for you, but it doesn’t scale up into the larger intellectual arena. It is the same with Twinkie. His solution to cultural and political problems is a recomendation to be more like Twinkie and it works for him, but it is not a solution that can be implemented at a societal and political level.

I would think these marriage preferences might provide some ideas about possible political coalitions. For example, Asians would want to marry a white at double the rate they would want to marry a black. When they currently go into a voting booth, though, they’ll vote for the Democrat party that most blacks vote for rather than the Republican party that most whites vote for. It might be possible for Republicans to emphasize or deemphasize certain issues that would attract Asians. Repealing affirmative action that benefits blacks but hurt Asians is one thing I can think of immediately. Black criminals like to target Asians (and also Hispanics) but the Democrat party is soft on black crime so a law and order Republican could pick up Asian (and some Hispanic) voters along with white voters. There are other issues like that. Whites may have a shrinking majority of the population but they can exploit the fact that other racial groups dislike each other more than they dislike whites. Even in places where they are the minority, whites could be the compromise candidate that is acceptable to all the other racial groups and still get elected that way.

Though it will upset Wokians, notice that after enthusiasm for intraracial marriage, each non-white group prefers close relatives marry whites over marrying from another group in the coalition that is not their own. It is going to take a lot of work to extirpate the legacy of white supremacy from the multiracial paradise of the future.

The Anglo-Celts in the South should get out of their corrupt bargain marriage to the Republican Party.

It’s time for Southern Nationalists to get a Las Vegas type divorce from the evil nation-wreckers who own and control the globalizer Republican Party.

All the non-Whites want to get down and party and marry Whites because Whites are the best looking and most intelligent of all the other races on the globe. It’s not even close!

Whites have all kinds of different eye colors and hair colors and they seem to be the most evolved of all the races. Asians and Blacks and Mestizos and Amerindians and all the others are aesthetically displeasing to a very high extent. Some horrible wags would say that they were genetically beaten by a graphite fishing pole called the Ugly Stick.

Now back to those Peckerwood Anglo-Celts who need to divorce themselves from the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and the ruling class of the Republican Party. It ain’t no secret to the high IQ Unz Review commenters that the South was bought off something fierce by the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire with big fat delicious piles of military Keynesianism.

What I’m saying is that like a broad who might stick around with her husband because she really likes the loot that that husband has, the Southern states stick with the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire because of all that conjured up cash coming from the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.

What the Southern Nationalists need to do is get their own central bank ready to go to electronically conjure up the cash to keep all the government loot pouring into the Southern states.

The Southern Nationalists should make sure they have a nuclear deterrent to keep the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire behaving in a decent manner.

Southern Nationalists should take the oil in Texas and New Mexico and make a deal with the Krauts in North Dakota on oil command and control.

The only thing holding the United States of America together is electronically conjured up cash from the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.

White Core American Patriots Must Immediately Divorce The Nation-Wreckers In The JEW/WASP Ruling Class Of The American Empire.

I don’t believe Asians are more enthusiastic about marrying blacks than whites are

I’ve heard some people say that the reason Asians vote Dem is that they are urban and Dems dominate urban politics now. So, you basically don’t have a real election, at best, you have a primary.

Afraid I don’t really believe that is the reason though. For one thing, there are striking contrasts in Eastern vs. Western story-telling that probably signal innate psychological differences.

But people apparently think it’s real. I have no idea why.

Brainwashing. It’s not the things you don’t know that hurts you. It’s the things you know that are wrong.

On the other side of the ledger, Thomm, you’ve got to realize that virtually all those interracial babies (with the exception of a handful of mulattoes) are going to grow up culturally “white”.

Of course. I have been one of the primary observers of this trend here.

For all the whining about Asian-Americans becoming an unassimilated ‘cultural elite’, or the myth that 2nd and even 3rd gen Hispanics don’t speak English or aspire to some ‘reconquista’, neither is remotely true given the high rate of disappearance into the white population.

Here in California, I know a couple of 60 year old white guys with Japanese last names. Their paternal grandfathers were Japanese. A completely white person with a Hispanic last name is very common, on account of some Mexican grandfather.

Hispanic as a race is almost entirely socially constructed. But people apparently think it’s real. I have no idea why.

Alberto Fujimori, Juan Castro, George Lopez, Nicolas Maduro, Papa Bergoglio, Ted Cruz and Jorge Ramos all qualify as Hispanics. Considering them and counting them statistically as a single race is purely a social construct. I don’t see why that’s controversial.

“”Mom, Dad, this is Jenny NotWhite, my decent, smart, pleasant, industrious, beautiful, lean, compassionate, supportive, fair-minded girlfriend; Jen, meet Skip (“the surfing golferdude”) Smith, and his wife, Betty-Jo.””

Dad: “But she has small tits, son. Where did I go wrong?”

And while race may well be real in a biological sense, it’s also a social construct.

Totally. In terms of genetic distance, both Ron Unz and Razib Khan proved that the real gap is between blacks and non-blacks.

Now, there is a separate issue of tremendous variation within the white race, but that is a topic for another thread.

“Hispanic as a race is almost entirely socially constructed. But people apparently think it’s real. I have no idea why.”

Hispanic is an ethnicity in my view. The race is indigenous Americas, commonly referred to as American Indian, which includes indigenous peoples of the two American continents. Making Hispanic a race involves accepting only mestizos.

but why would I not assume this?

Lack of self-awareness.

His solution to cultural and political problems is a recomendation to be more like Twinkie and it works for him, but it is not a solution that can be implemented at a societal and political level.

The Twinkie solution, as such, has a very good track record among non-Twinkies.

That all depends on what “Asians” means. The various ethnic groups under that nebulous heading have divergent patterns.

I was talking about whites. Read more carefully. Some SJWs– a subset of whites– will marry a light-skinned Asian or Hispanic with a similar degree. They’re practically “honorary whites”, as the South Africans classified Japanese visitors.

You could write a book called “The Twinkie Solution” but people might think it’s a new diet book offering a new way to lose weight by eating large numbers of cream filled snack cakes.

Blacks should be excluded from dating apps, wastes a lot of time swiping left on them.

That would sell! Anytime you offer self-indulgence to solve problems, you make money in this country.

Don’t these things offer filters? Like for race or age or weight or height or distance and a whole bunch of other things somebody may want to exclude?

If they don’t, they seems like pretty useless apps to be honest, surprised they are popular.

Peace.

He’s right actually. I mean here is a man from the Caucasus mountains (as in Caucasian) who is beating every opponent thrown at him thus far.
Here’s another guy – same area, Daghestan:
Is he White? Huwite? If not, what is he then?

Peace.

What about just fornication, shacking up and breeding?

Is he White? Huwite? If not, what is he then?

Yes, he’s white. He’s also assimilated into another culture.

Who pays to raise and provide for the kids?

Peace.

Christian Mingle, and even Catholic Mingle, were forced to include gays. Obviously that is completely ridiculous. Even if someone was pro-gay, what is the point of stealing time from people to click on some filter? All these fractions of a minute can add up to hours or even days of people’s lives.

Sometimes, it is right to exclude people.

Well, depends. Many people of the Caucasus went straight from paganism/animism into Islam directly without Christianity intervening in between. That has been their culture – for centuries.

But it’s good you consider him White; which lends credence to your take on race being a biological reality. There are many here on UNZ who do not; which basically means it is social construct.

Still looking for consensus on the issue…

Peace.

The genetic distance between blacks and whites, Hispanics and whites, and Asians and whites is actually smaller than the genetic distances among blacks, Hispanics, and Asians.

The number of them who you look up having biographies of ‘rebelling against religion’ but marrying somebody they met from Hillel are, interesting for 3rd to 5th generation ‘Americans’.

I wonder if there is any data to support my observations that black male/white female couples are more downscale than the reverse? (which is more rare).

For Hispanics I would suspect generation plays a huge role, especially the language aspect. Spanish speaking Hispanics who know little or no English obviously would stick with other Hispanics. For the opposite extreme, 2nd or 3rd gen Hispanics who only speak English intermarriage would be more common.

The logic of Diversity

https://summit.news/2019/09/16/ban-on-eating-dogs-cats-blocked-in-the-uk-because-it-might-offend-east-asians/

forced to include gays

That’s just stupid. Why didn’t Christians and Catholics boycott on a massive scale?

Sometimes, it is right to exclude people.

I agree. And I would agree that an app called “White Singles” or “Whinder” or whatever, that claims to be a place to find White dating/hookup matches should exclude Blacks and everyone else to meet the expectations of their clients. Maybe they can have an invitation-only model or you have to send in a photo and it needs to be approved for your account to be verified.

Again, I could make the same argument for why really fat people should be excluded so somebody doesn’t have to spend time clicking on a filter for “less than 200lbs”.

I don’t think the intention of Tinder or any of these other apps was to exclude anyone from the online meat market.

Peace.

216, you were asking me the other day how we appeal to young women? Well, here ya go!

Even though blacks might publicly express a preference for close relatives marrying other blacks I have no doubt that they themselves would, by a wide margin, prefer a White partner.

Blacks are “enthusiastic in general” about marriage, but marry less frequently and divorce more frequently when they do marry?

I’m thinking you mean something other than the expected when you say “blacks are enthusiastic about marriage”.

It is thimple – biological beings do understand genetic facts, to some extent, intuitively – though social factors [status] will influence the results. Thus, Whites and Asians having the most to lose, they are the most hesitant to throw their genetic advantage away, which seems biologically reasonable.
While Hispanics are somewhat frustrated (they have better status more to the South) and Blacks obviously have the most to gain. It takes about 30 seconds to take this away from the graphs, and it covers with what an averagely educated person knows about all the things ant-racism tries so damn hard to deny since decades.

Why didn’t Christians and Catholics boycott on a massive scale?

Well, in this case, it is the CA court system, so I guess there is a political element to it, but in a certain sense that makes it a harder target.

Honestly, Christians don’t seem to be very good at organizing anymore. Some blame the destruction of Christian ethnic communities in urban areas due to forced desegregation, like busing – destroyed the heart of the organization. I don’t know if it is that simple though.

On a related note, I’m surprised about the access Hollywood seems to enjoy in Muslim countries. Even though, overall, Muslims seem to be better at organizing. But maybe, I don’t really understand the issue, and it isn’t as I think it seems. And they are different versions of the films or something.

It is really just a question of familiarity. If a white person saw a certain type of non-whites in their class throughout K-12, the thought of marrying them does not seem alien.

Since this was not a significant phenomenon in the upbringing of today’s young adults until recently, we are only seeing this trend accelerate now.

The historical baggage associated with black-white relationships (not to mention the huge economic disparities) does not apply to Hispanics and Asians.

Of course, each race is most enthusiastic about marriage within their own race. That’s only natural.

If you eliminate the intraracial enthusiasm indices and add up the other three (e.g. enthusiasm for a white marriage among only blacks, Hispanics and Asians, excluding white enthusiasm for white marriage), you get what I think are interesting values.

Other races strongly prefer their own to marry whites (192.4), next Asians (159.6) and next Hispanics (142.7). The extra-racial enthusiasm index for blacks drops off sharply at 89.7.

I will leave it to the reader as an exercise to explain why generally interracial marriage is accepted, except when the spouse is black.

Oops. AE explained this in the body. Tried to delete this comment, but apparently it did not take.

I’m surprised about the access Hollywood seems to enjoy in Muslim countries.

Same here, but the internet is something very difficult to control. I don’t know how it works exactly on all levels, but I believe they do have different offerings in different countries – for instance the version of Netflix in Pakistan as opposed to the US.

But then there are ways around these things for those who really want it:
https://www.techjunkie.com/watch-american-netflix-pakistan/

Peace.

Christians don’t seem to be very good at organizing anymore.

Except when it comes to Israel.

Peace.

110% Huwhite, Arean muster race. Seriously, I may be misremembering, but aren’t Chechens and Dagestanis uncommonly distant genetically as compared to other white ethnicities? i.e. the genetic difference between the Rus and Dagestani >> The German and French. To me the Dagis definitely seem distinct from russians even at a glance, perhaps it’s just the ubiquity of Dagestani bowl cuts?

But regarding your other statement, race is a biological reality moderated by ethno-religio-linguistic constructs. In a broad sense the racial groups are purely genetic; White vs Black, Asiatic vs Australoid, etc. But it’s also correct to say there is a scottish “race” as distinct from the English “race” (part of the problem is that race can be used both broadly and narrowly, and yet ‘ethnicity’ still seems insufficient to produce clarity). This distinction is primarily social and historical since the genetic distance between the two is negligible. But there’s also the issue of direct descent; is the issue of Clan Macduff vs say Clan Macdonald genetic, or social? Genetically the distance would be basically nil, and yet it is indisputable that each clan has discreet differences in their descent from the original Macduffs and Macdonalds that each other lacks, so it’s not nothing to do with genetics either. This example is of direct analogue to other European ethnic identities, the main difference between them is historical/religious/linguistic, but in any case there’s no way to call them “arbitrary” (the go-to slur of progressives toward racialism).

But thinking about it this way actually cures the quagmire of “assimilation” for nationalists (given the large scale interbreeding of different euro ethnicities in places like America); another white ethnic’s children can assimilate into another white nation through interbreeding because they already possess the broad prerequisites (genetic similarity) while acquiring the specific requirements through breeding and culture (the identity of historical descent, language, religion). For these same reasons it’s completely coherent to exclude other broad racial groups from (near-term) assimilation since they lack the prerequisite of similar genetics.

to what extent white millennials consider interracial marriage for the benefit of their children.

You go where I fear to tread. You are saying that there are people who consciously decide to have mulatto children so that those children can check the box.

aren’t Chechens and Dagestanis uncommonly distant genetically as compared to other white ethnicities?

Yes – and that is largely due to the isolation of the mountainous region that they have traditionally lived in.

Daghestanis, Chechens, Avars, Laks, etc. are all distinct from other Whites and even each other to a degree.

part of the problem is that race can be used both broadly and narrowly, and yet ‘ethnicity’ still seems insufficient to produce clarity

That’s the problem – there seems to be a lack of clarity in usage.

each clan has discreet differences in their descent from the original Macduffs and Macdonalds that each other lacks, so it’s not nothing to do with genetics either

Agreed. And those Caucasian people are also highly into clans and such (generational blood feuds being a real problem to this day).

For these same reasons it’s completely coherent to exclude other broad racial groups from (near-term) assimilation since they lack the prerequisite of similar genetics.

Sure, if you believe genetics is key and everything is downhill from it – totally coherent.

Peace.

A helluva lot of radio ads lecture to listeners in a wise, Morgan Freemanesque black voice

White nationalists are fond of saying that people would like their grandchildren to resemble them. That’s undoubtedly true, but not necessarily in the way that white nationalists think it’s true… they might well prefer their children to marry black Christians rather than white atheists

(X) Doubt

People want their grandchildren to resemble them in exactly the way that motto means, what kind of incredibly inane person cares about the politics of their grandchild? In the real world religion and culture almost never trump race, given that culture is so tightly bound to race as to make the distinction nearly meaningless. White Christians and Black Christians don’t have the same culture anywhere, it’s almost a stretch to say they practice the same religion. Your counterfactuals are absurd as a predictor for accelerating miscegenation if only for the fact that even if there were culturally palatable inter-racial partners available in great supply (there aren’t, regardless of the combination you come up with), there’s already a large supply of partners with the same preferable culture who are also of the same race.

If you think religion or political ideology trump race, then why is the party of the ideologically unfocused and religious-minded black race also the rabidly anti-christian party? Could it be that those things aren’t even a blip on the radar compared to their ethnic identity?

The commenters that point out the divergence between stated and revealed preference have a good point. Also, the difference between “marriage” and babies on the ground is significant. For those of you who don’t shop at Walmart and get a chance to see the chunky working class white women with 5 kids, one of which is a mulatto, will not share my skepticism that the “statistics” on mixed race children are off. And for you WNs, do you really think that those 4 white kids are going to grow up and not consider their mulatto sister as a sister?

Amen! to this.

Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act gave the federal government the power to violate one of the most basic human rights, the right to choose whom we associate with. It was a revolutionary and tyrannical act from its outset. With its various statutory and regulatory excrescences since then, ranging from quotas and “disparate impact” to sex discrimination, disability discrimination, and now “transgender” discrimination, it has become vastly worse. It cannot be fixed. There is only one way out of this horror, and that is go to the root and repeal Title VII. Any conservative who accepts Title VII, let alone celebrates it, as all “conservatives” do, is a part of the liberal tyranny under which we now live.

— Lawrence Auster

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/022280.html

Here ya go:
https://www.whitedate.net/ref/wolff/
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/whitedatenet/

Although I’m not so keen on some of the characters with whom the site associates:
https://www.whitedate.net/dating-site-for-white-people-who-is-pro-white/

There you go. Now here I would expect them to restrict it to Whites only and specifically European-descent (as they claim) and keep people like me out. Just like if I go to https://www.halfourdeen.com/ (which was started by an old friend of mine), I expect it to have only Muslims.

Peace.

You go where I fear to tread. You are saying that there are people who consciously decide to have mulatto children so that those children can check the box.

A terrifying possibility that nevertheless cannot be ignored.

4 white kids are going to grow up and not consider their mulatto sister as a sister?

Highly doubtful – they are after all related by blood which is a bout as genetic as you get.

As for your fears, I think this is simply an outcome of hyper-individualism which may be the result of the deliberate breakdown of tribes and clans among Europeans over many, many centuries.

Time to rethink cousin-marriage and revive clans…?

Peace.

Caucasians – by that, I mean the actual people from the Caucasus – are highly overrepresented in combat sports, including Judo and wrestling. Khabib Nurmagomedov did both Sambo and Judo growing up.

Yeah – for that small population, they are definitely cranking them out like crazy.

This gives a good insight into the culture:

Also, this dude stayed with Khabib for a while:

Peace.

Why half? Is that a reference to something?

Yes – it means your spouse is “half your religion (deen)” and it comes from the hadith (which is reported in variant wordings, but one of which is):
“Whoever Allah blesses with a righteous wife, He has helped him with half of his religion, so let him fear Allah with regard to the other half.” – reported in the Mustadrak of Imam Hakim (ra)

Imam Bayhaqi (ra) reported a similar statement “When a person gets married he has completed half of his religion, so let him fear Allah with regard to the other half.”

Peace.

The word Hispanic is a shoddy term used to classify a group of people based upon shared language. African Cubans share no racial relation to Aztec descended Mexicans, but both speak a form of Spanish.

You’re changing the original meaning of “race is a social construct” in order to prove.. what exactly? Even without human categorization, Africans, Asians, and Europeans would still be different races. Referring to that fact as a social construct is nonsense.

I find it to be just the opposite.

Most interracial couples I know their children grow up culturally identifying with the minority race, ie., black or hispanic…

I only know one asian and black couple and they too are raising the kids as black, even though they look Japanese (like their father) to me…

Actually these bi-racial kids are turning out to be the most radical…with no loyalty whatsoever to their white heritage.

Look at Obama, he threw his grandparents under the bus (who raised him from the age of 5 years old) even before he became President. He didn’t even bother attending his grandmother’s funeral when she passed away.

Another example Colin Kaepernick, I don’t know his actual racial background but he was adopted and raised by a white family. Again, could care less, no regard or affection whatsoever for the race of people who nurtured him to manhood…

There are numerous other examples but I think you get the point…

No.

The term “race is a social construct” was originally used as a rebuke of obvious biological differences between races, namely intelligence. It was used in support of the blank slate belief. You’re changing its original intent for reasons unclear to me.

Categorization is a social construct, or a human construct, take you pick. The things being categorized already were what they were, before categorization.

Differences in races exist whether or not we come up with names for them.

Why didn’t … Catholics boycott on a massive scale?

I’ve only heard of “Catholic Match” and I don’t know too much about it in depth.

I don’t know if they do gay dates or not; here’s an article from their website though: https://www.catholicmatch.com/about/you-cant-fool-mother-nature

They have a reputation for having a slightly “trad” orientation, I think, but online dating is still online dating. Here’s a joke article about them:
http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/2013/04/02/chuck-50012-still-desperately-awaiting-response-from-kristin-51053-on-catholic-match/

A lot of heretical Christians in the US are more or less okay with gay marriage/gay non-marriage/other cohabitation, and I think they should have sites to cater to them if they really want to, though it’s unfair to try to legally pressure the owners of existing sites who may have different ideas; at least one site (eharmony, I think?) was sued into allowing gay dating.

Thanks.

The Twinkie Solution:

Be Asian, marry a white broad, live in an upper class white neighborhood, then lecture everybody else about how great Asians are.

Steve Sailer has long suggested the electoral strategy of portraying the Democrat party as the party of blacks rather than as the party of non-whites and women.

Of course, that would play right into the hands of those who claim that Whiteness is not an affirmative identity but rather a meaningless construct designed to specifically to exclude, marginalize, and humiliate black people. That would be very unfortunate.

I think Mr. Sailer is generally correct. If the Democrats become the party of black supremacy, it loses. If the Republicans become the white-only party, it loses. That’s the electoral math.

Race is both a biological AND a social construct, largely because it is not a biologically discrete category. In other words, the borders of races are ambiguous and porous, and are usually determined socially and culturally.* Acknowledging that reality is very different from insisting that race is solely a social construct.

You seem intentionally obtuse to this, because you have certain priors that are ideological in nature rather than factual.

*Example: the one drop rule for blacks.

I’m a big fan of the Georgian style of Judo, a really nice mix of Classical Japanese techniques and Georgia’s folk (belt) wrestling techniques.

I’ve got a cousin who got impregnated by a black man as to destroy any chance the kid becomes Republican voting after evil orange man won. She wasn’t the only one in her circle

I can 100% say this is happening. Not just with one of my cousins and her communist posse, but also with my ex roommate who did the same with her “Mexican” kid

The kid by all accounts looks like a blonde haired blue eyed German like his mother, speaks no Spanish, has no Spanish friends and yet his mother insistently has him down as Mexican and routinely teaches him to burn the American flag/revolt. The kid is 7. The kid already has rainbow colour hair and wants to vote Democrat

At this point i believe the way left online circles are going choosing to marry a white person is paramount will be seen as betraying the movement no matter who you are.

Evangelical theology teaches that the world has to get worse for the End Times to begin

New data finds that white evangelicals were the least likely to know that divorce rates, teen sex rates, and births out of wedlock have declined in the last decade

There is a resurgence of evangelical postmillenialism that thinks things will get better if Christians get the right leaders in place

My chart in Comment #3 proves otherwise. 89% of all interracial marriage contains one white spouse. Only 11% are those where neither spouse is white.

“Race is both a biological AND a social construct, largely because it is not a biologically discrete category. In other words, the borders of races are ambiguous and porous, ”

Irrelevant. The borders of some species are ambiguous and porous.

“and are usually determined socially and culturally.*

You’re defining something better described as ethnicity, which is a social construct. Ethiopians and slave descended American blacks are the same race, but adhere to vastly different social and cultural customs. Not coincidentally, neither set of customs fits particularly well with a high trust, Western society. It’s almost like race is actually upstream from oh I don’t know, everything else.

“You seem intentionally obtuse to this, because you have certain priors that are ideological in nature rather than factual.”

LOL yeah, looks who’s talking. At least I’m honest about my ideals.

I think you’re off here. The Sailer Strategy in his own words:

““The Sailer Strategy”—that the Republican Party should and can only win, not through “outreach”/minority pandering, but by “inreach”/mobilizing its own (white) base”

https://vdare.com/articles/the-sailer-strategy-updated-three-steps-to-save-america

Trump won by doing pretty much the above.

I’m a big fan of the Georgian style of Judo, a really nice mix of Classical Japanese techniques and Georgia’s folk (belt) wrestling techniques:

I’m a big fan of the Georgian style of Judo, a really nice mix of Classical Japanese techniques and Georgia’s folk (belt) wrestling techniques:

Ethiopians and slave descended American blacks are the same race

The latter have a substantial fraction of white ancestry.

I’ve never seen Ethiopians who look like Ben Jealous, the last head of NAACP, and a “black” person in America.

https://images.app.goo.gl/Pvimg5DQ7whKoJP3A

You’re defining something better described as ethnicity, which is a social construct.

Ethnicity is also both a biological and a social construct.

Sorry about the quadruple tap. I kept getting errors, so I tried re-posting.

Nice – thanks for the videos!

Peace.

Really? So your seemingly endless comments on almost every post aren’t based on your assumption that they’re correct and logically derived? Doom later clarified his initial statement, but I initially thought it sounded cuck-like too.

what kind of incredibly inane person cares about the politics of their grandchild?

Liberals. Ask a liberal how he or she feels about their grandson who has just announced that he’s voting for Trump in 2020. Ask a liberal Londoner how she feels about her granddaughter who’s just admitted to being a Brexit supporter. Ask liberals how they’d feel if their grandkid announced at Thanksgiving dinner that he thought climate change was a hoax. Or that immigration should be halted.

I think they should have sites to cater to them if they really want to

Yeah, one would think they would rather not waste the time on apps and sites where the majority are not like them, but here we are. It’s all weird to me – this Internet dating/hookup stuff – might as well be from Mars. The sites I know on the Muslim end of things (that I would actually recommend to others) are only two or three, all having been vetted by ulema and all of them serious about getting a person married.

I’ve never been on one of those sites or registered so I don’t know if they let you filter by ethnic preference (I would imagine they would since many families deem cultural compatibility to be a factor).

Peace.

“Apostate! Heretic!”

Peace.

Personally, I would have very little enthusiasm for a relative marrying a black, and in general, I would have less enthusiasm for a female relative out-marrying than a male relative doing so. I think this male bias is fairly common. People in general seem to be more comfortable with male relatives out-marrying than with men from another group taking one of their women.

For other groups, it would be more on an individual basis. In general, I would have more enthusiasm for a relative marrying someone from a similar background – white, upper-middle class Christian (secular or religious) – than from other backgrounds. But I would not necessarily have greater enthusiasm for someone white just because they were white if they were deficient in other respects.

If people paired up completely randomly though the rate of interracial marriage would be well over 50% in the US. Outside of the Southwest, it’s closer to 10%.

Does online dating “nudge” in one way or the other?

If increase, then Tinder becomes a mandatory part of the social credit system

If decrease, SJW will align with Incel and demand either the revision or ban of online dating.

https://www.unz.com/anepigone/cumming-apart/

especially the case among young white liberals, who love the idea of interracial relationships.

16% is the highest recorded, but we also see higher rates of LGBT in this same group.

https://www.unz.com/anepigone/gen-z-is-pretty-lgaybtq/

If we consider that Asian outmarriage is around 40%, white liberals are actually showing a disparate impact, indeed one should expect a higher rate of nearly 75% given how much white liberals are outgroup-favoring.

But it’s good you consider him White

A fun question for Rosie and her ilk: would you like to raise your children in Chechnya with their fellow white people or in, say, Singapore?

Trump won by doing pretty much the above.

As I recall, Trump won a tad smaller share of the white vote and a tiny bit higher share of the black and Hispanic vote than Romney did.

Also, there is a big difference between attracting a large share of the white vote and becoming a “white only” party. The latter is liable turn off a large fraction of white voters.

Another example Colin Kaepernick, I don’t know his actual racial background but he was adopted and raised by a white family. Again, could care less, no regard or affection whatsoever for the race of people who nurtured him to manhood…

Mr. Kapernick’s adoptive parents are some sort of white liberals, a lot of Boomercons made the dumb take that he was embarassing them.

I often remark that Kapernick can pass as an Arab, and his girlfriend is Arab.

Most interracial couples I know their children grow up culturally identifying with the minority race, ie., black or hispanic…

White + Hispanic = ~white
White + South Asian = ~white
White + East Asian = hapa
White + Black = black
White + Mixed/Other = Gabbard

Actually these bi-racial kids are turning out to be the most radical…with no loyalty whatsoever to their white heritage.

No one backs the weak horse.

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Among racial groups, Mixed/Other is the second most likely to support the GOP. Any politics based on blood purity will result in their full radicalization to the 9-1 hate ratio that blacks display.

The Right must promote a Eurocentrism and a Singaporean “strong state” model to encourage assimilation to a revitalized Eurocentric culture, which will deter those that can’t/won’t assimilate.

In the current model, white conservatives love assimilation so much that their children assimilated to the dominant liberal culture.

Good question.

Peace.

The Q poll recorded that 56% of the sample think that Trump is a racist, that’s a big whole to dig out of in a culture that considers this the worst secular sin.

Those that continue to self-describe as Alt-Right love repeating “muh black unemployment” about the Administration’s crowing.

That’s the wrong aim. Undoubtebly most blacks are highly ethnocentric and hate white conservatives with a passion. But there are a number of black moderates, and younger/Southern blacks are more moderate than older blacks.

More importantly, as you say, there are a lot of white voters that genuinely believe in reconciliation. Pandering is what these people love, and we are delivering it. It shouldn’t be countersignalled.

What some people need…is copeservatism.

Uh, no it fucking does not.

The 1964 civil rights act offered every American the chance to live anywhere he can affiord… and no American the opportunity to tell any other American that he cannot live anywhere that he can afford.

So what’s wrong with that?

So what’s wrong with that?

I don’t have enough money to live in a mansion in a gated community.

More importantly, as you say, there are a lot of white voters that genuinely believe in reconciliation.

#Truth and Reconciliation Commission (America)

#Reparations: 40 Acres & a Mule + Interest

#Reconciliation: All My White Sins Forgiven

#Truth: No More Quotas

As for your fears, ?

It is part of the scramble for victim status. There seems to be no higher status than that of victim.

a revitalized Eurocentric culture

So you want to do a reset just to see if we get back to this same point?

All parents have their preferences. I am thankful that none of my three children married a black or a Jew. That is the honest truth.

There is no way that any person who is not a member of either of those groups can stay married to any Black or Jew. The differences are too great and with all the problems experienced within a marriage to add another one would be insane.

As a member of the group you are talking about, I’ll explain.

This only applies if you are MMC, UMC, or UC, and your IQ is 115+, and you have a bachelor’s degree or higher. I don’t know or care what the proles are thinking.

Interracial marriage is beneficial IF it’s a chance to “marry up” or if it’s your only chance of marriage at all.

For instance, there’s a lot of White husband – Jewish wife couples among people in my parents and grandparents generations. I went to school with a ton of kids who have a Jewish mother or grandmother, but not the other way around. Why? Because the average White woman demands more alphaness from her husband than the average White man possesses. The average White woman wants a 6 while the average White man is a 5. In the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, it was common for nerdy White men to marry Jewish women – better choice than not marrying at all and being an incel. The average Jewish young woman wants a husband who is slightly more beta than what the average White woman wants. I don’t know why this lopsided marriage ratio between Whites and Jews suddenly became even in the 90s.

So looking at White millennials, if you are a beta young man or an ugly or average looking young woman, you are better off marrying a Jew or Asian IF that person is higher IQ, more educated, and richer than what you could have gotten from a white person.

Obviously, an ugly but high IQ White girl would rather marry a high IQ Asian doctor than some IQ 87 West Virginia meth addict.

You go where I fear to tread.

Peace.

There has got to be a genetic test someone has to pass to prove at least 50% African descent right? Also, they can’t be like Obama whose Kenyan father was not descended from original slave stock.

I would imagine this is an important litmus test. Also, have you seen the Dave Chappelle skit on reparations?

Peace.

Someone has to volunteer for the Eloi Tax and self-nominate for a Darwin Award.

The power to exclude is central to the freedom to not associate.

The CRA of 1964 put the fist of the state into every human relationship. It’s not, “What’s wrong with that?” it’s “What fraction of that is right?”

The answer is, not the smallest part.

Positive rights vs negative rights. The former are defined by organized human coercion, the latter by nature’s barriers.

Oh, good catch! I spent so much time trying to puzzle out how to read the graph that I missed that.

So intelligent and good looking that they’re embarrassed by what they think and who they are?

Perhaps ten percent of Whites feel that way. When the next round of the global financial implosion hits that ten percent of Whites who feel that way can be expelled and forcibly exiled to sub-Saharan Africa. I am a jolly Andrew Jackson/George Washington White Core American and my radicalism is tempered by a decent and sweet disposition. But go they will if I am in command!

The globalizer plutocrats are pulling out all the monetary extremism tricks because they know that very soon a political leader will emerge to begin the necessary mass demographic expulsions and mass debt repudiations to set the stage for a European Christian national sovereignty rejuvenation.

Ruling class removal and replacement is the answer to race replacement and the weaponization of mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

Africa is a massive continent and I’m sure some land can be found to serve as a receptacle for all the Whites who hide their own greed and materialism behind the cloak of racial crybaby claptrap and racial self-abasement. I’m saying the White pukes pushing all this racial guilt tripping are nasty White frauds hiding their own greed and hatred for regular Whites.

The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire must be removed from power. The key is to get the Anglo-Celts in the South and the German Americans in the Great Lakes states to form a White Core American bloc which can work with White Core Americans in the West and Northeast to become the new ruling class.

White Core America must dislodge the JEW/WASP ruling class from power and take control of the American Empire and the United States of America.

Slightly OT:

Hey, I may have a catchy motto for Singapore to bring in (or not) potential emigrants/tourists:

We are Abel to Cain!

ツ ツ ツ ツ

Just kidding, AE !

Ahh, yes.

I don’t know why I said that I was afraid to think about someone having a mixed race kid for the sole reason of enabling that child to check a box when I have said that I think some women decide to have mixed race children in order to create a beige race and bring about world peace. And we could very likely have as the next President a woman who absurdly checked a box for personal advantage and we had a two term President who, had he not identified as black would not have been president.

Still worried about dem Jews are up to, I see.

It will be a part of that “conversation” that all the right people say we need to have, but we will never have it because what they really mean is stop thinking differently from me. Reparations will come to be a part of the white privilege ideology. It’s not really about the “money,” except that it really is about the money.

I think that I saw parts of it. Black people shouldn’t have to pay for products made of cotton, like cotton swabs.

Still worried about dem Jews are up to, I see.

Well those Israelis would certainly love it if people stopped being so nosy…

“Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House
The likely Israeli spying efforts were uncovered during the Trump presidency, several former top U.S. officials said.”
https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/09/12/israel-white-house-spying-devices-1491351

Peace.

I’ve never seen Ethiopians who look like Ben Jealous, the last head of NAACP, and a “black” person in America.

Ben Jealous is literally 81% white, as determined on the Henry Louis Gates show. Even HLG, himself 50% white, made fun of Ben Jealous, saying ‘you are the whitest black man we have ever tested’.

How could I forget – Morgan Freeman … another Hollywood-touted fiction of intellect and wisdom.

When I watched Lucy for the first time on DVD I should’ve predicted that the world’s foremost authority on brain research was going to be either Morgan or Denzel.

over a third of births to asian women in the USA have a non – asian father ( mostly white) , since asian have the lowest fertility rate ,without immigration their population would decline

over a third of births to asian women in the USA have a non – asian father ( mostly white) , since asian have the lowest fertility rate ,without immigration their population would declin

True.

Plus, it seems that a third of second-gen Hispanics also marry whites. This is a much larger number than Asians.

The fact remains, over 20% of babies born in the US are mixed-race now, and 89% of those are half-white. I am quite certain that half-white/half-Asian, and half-white/half-mestizo people will not be considered ‘non-white’ in a visual/social sense in the future.

One interesting pairup that is common in California is Filipinos + Mexicans. Filipinos are nominally ‘Hispanic’, so their intermarriage with Mexicans is to be expected. People of this racial mix are difficult for the unfamiliar to place.

“Anyone that states that race is a social construct has been into the airplane glue.”

No. Just an accurate understanding of how skin color dynamics has developed. Skin color is an adaptation of human biology, it does denote one as anything other than human.

Skin color trait : most meanings assigned to skin color regarding subjective standards of evaluation are social constructs. Though intense effort has been invested to indicate otherwise, the biological standard for humans as biological creatures is DNA and design of the same. And across the board the most consistent biological markers are

DNA number and configuration.

From there we have adaptation(s)
And social assignment

I don’t think he’s referring to skin color per se, but to the fact that races are, broadly-speaking, genetic clusters. In other words, races have a very firm basis in biology (I would further add that the membership therein, largely because of boundary issues, is socially mediated).

Plus, it seems that a third of second-gen Hispanics also marry whites. This is a much larger number than Asians.

That’s because there are 2-3 times as many Hispanics as there are Asians in America, and a higher fraction of Hispanics are American-born on top of that. In percentage terms, Asians, esp. the American-born, have higher intermarriage rates with whites than Hispanics do.* And the SES of white partners also varies quite predictably (higher for Asians, lower for Hispanics). Moreover, offspring of white-Asian marriages identify as white at higher rates than do those of white-Hispanic marriages (the data I saw doesn’t explicitly state this, but it can be inferred negatively from whether they identify as Asian or Hispanic, respectively).

*This will likely change as the Asian population in America becomes increasingly more Indian, as Indians have lower intermarriage rates.

“I don’t think he’s referring to skin color per se, but to the fact that races are, broadly-speaking, genetic clusters.”

Try as we might to distance ourselves from the historic trope of color to race motif, it simply repeatedly fails as the comments routinely reveal that in most minds when differences are denoted by “skin color”.

Despite the strained effort at nuance, the meaning is clear. Hence the constant reference to skin color and “racialized” distinctions. It’s akin to the attempt to distinguish Jews from Europe from “whiteness” — very strained pedantic mess.

I agree. Skin color is huge. I am always perceived as white by both whites and non-whites. The vast majority have no interest in breaking it down any further.

“The vast majority have no interest in breaking it down any further.”

In my view, your skin tone is not a marker that you are a different species or any manner of subgrouping of human being.

Biological construct – absolutely. Whether that makes you a different “race”(species) — dubious.

The American Indian inflation must be a big part of the explanation for Oklahoma. It’s otherwise inexplicable, isn’t it?

I was wondering the same thing.

Every other state correlates exactly to cumulative percentage + duration of Asian and/or Hispanic presence there (i.e. are there 2nd gen adults there as of yet), and hence no number is a surprise except OK.

Black-white is unlikely to ever become a large fraction of interracial reproduction. Blacks have been here since the beginning, and are numerous, yet are just 11% of interracial marriages.

Try as we might to distance ourselves from the historic trope of color to race motif, it simply repeatedly fails as the comments routinely reveal that in most minds when differences are denoted by “skin color”.

OK. Then both Jews and most East Asians are white. Many Middle Easterners (Lebanese, Syrians, Turks, and some Iranians) are white too.

Uh, no it fucking does not.

Yes it does. The vertical bar in comment #3 shows that 89% of all interracial marriage involves a white spouse. Only the remaining 11% comprise all possible non-white combinations.

Furthermore, your chart supports my statement, and refutes yours. Look closely at your own chart. It does NOT indicate that Hispanic-black, or Asian-black, is very common at all.

I understand that you may not know how to read graphs and charts.

You’re not going to convince a lot of people to vote Republican until the GOP 86’s the Boomer culture war crapola that solidifies the votes of 60 year olds in the rural Midwest. Right now the GOP can count on Leftist culture war over-reach to make themselves seem saner, but only for so long*.

Both parties need to jettison the culture war crap and restore New Deal economic and political norms. But, and this is key, the Republican flavor** of the culture war has almost no appeal to people under 40, whereas SJW stuff is very appealing to non-whites and well-educated younger whites.

*What is the GOP doing to rein in campus propaganda excess, and civil rights violations? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. The GOP has known since the 70’s that colleges have increasingly favored activism over education, yet the GOP does nothing. Just like how the modern GOP, in spite of being in the White House longer than the Dems since 1968, never seems to shut down gay bars, repeal affirmative action, ban dangerous forms of pornography, restrict venues for gambling, and so forth. The GOP are con artists, pure and simple. When Democrats had more power in the 1930’s-1960’s, that’s precisely when our culture was more wholesome. As soon as we became more individualistic around 1970, and began voting more for the GOP, that’s exactly when we began sliding down the path of decadence, which the GOP than glibly blames on “Leftists”. And there’s no greater betrayal than immigration and the borders. Reagan had a looser border policy than JKF and LBJ did. GW Bush had a looser border policy than Bill Clinton did. Papa Bush signed the 1990 immigration act, one of the worst pieces of legislation in US history (the Visa lottery, expanded chain migration, etc.) that drastically increased 3rd world immigration. Trump’s border policy has been worse than the one we had in Obama’s first term.

**I’m talking about what the GOP donor class has allowed, since the 80’s, not what some on the Right have been hallucinating as to the GOP’s actual policies. The GOP is not “the white party”, and is certainly not the working class party on most issues. It’s only the excesses of the Woke era that allow the GOP to posture as the populist party (wake up: Tucker Carlson represents ideal New Deal norms, not the actual norms that the GOP establishment has created over the last 50 years) or the nominal pro-white party.

I wonder if there is any data to support my observations that black male/white female couples are more downscale than the reverse? (which is more rare).

The chart in this post shows that white-black pairings are actually rather unusual, but I live in a more prole-ish suburban part of the Twin Cities metro area, which is now about 60-70% white (back in the late 90’s it was more like 85% white) and I’m seeing way more white female/black male pairings these days than I ever did in the pre-Obama era. I have a hunch, though, that the upper tier neighborhoods are still largely full of white couples, albeit with a growing number of Asians and talented 10th NAMs.

I heard a liberal (but not SJW) podcaster acknowledge that black-white pairings are much more common among downscale Americans, whites included. He said that white liberals tend often to live in more affluent (e.g., white) enclaves, and generally marry other whites.

I do wonder though, if the current white-black rate is really that much higher than the rate we had in the 90’s or 2000’s. It does seem like the 1980’s was the last decade where 95% of whites refused to have long-term relationships with non-whites, and blacks in particular.

I think it’s fair to say that most Christians would like their grandchildren to be Christians.

So what? Even if this is true, it reveals little about racial preferences, unless one assumes it’s always an either/or proposition, as you posit below.

So they might well prefer their children to marry black Christians rather than white atheists.

Or might well not. Just assumptions, which AE’s chart suggest are not so.

And I’m guessing that Pakistani Muslims would prefer their kid to marry a white Muslim rather than a Pakistani atheist SJW.

Again, “guessing”, and my guess is “Pakistanis” are far less forgiving of marrying outside their tribe, irrespective of religion, than many other groups.

All liberals would like their grandchildren to be liberals, regardless of colour.

Which actually says nothing about their preferences for marriage.

As for your fears, I think this is simply an outcome of hyper-individualism which may be the result of the deliberate breakdown of tribes and clans among Europeans over many, many centuries.

Telling women to put off the securing of a male protector, and go to college alone for the sake of “building a career” tells you all you need to know. Do modern Westerners ever care to consider why women end up being raped, or addicted to drugs, or turning to prostitution (on camera or off)?

Sadly, atomized Westerners care more about status than they do over-all cultural and mental well-being. Padding your resume, and focusing on “competition”, is more important than looking out for the long-term survival of your genetics.

It’s safe to say that Western European individualism had it’s virtues, but it’s now clearly being used and abused for the sake of furthering decadence and disease. And when “liberty” in white Western countries was chiefly for law abiding white men, that was one thing. But now we expect women and non-Europeans to somehow thrive in this sort of culture. And this is self-evidently disastrous, as our culture has been increasingly coarse, dumbed down, and not oriented toward long term security, ever since white Western elites thought that their culture would be “enhanced” by giving greater largess to “historically disadvantaged” (or historically weak and/or absent from the white West) groups. Those who are neither white nor male (and those who are just plain dumb or mentally ill, including some white guys) are never going to fully understand and respect the principles of Western intellectual and personal freedom that date back to ancient Rome. And that’s not necessarily a criticism of women or non-whites; rather, we need to understand the differences between ethnic groups and between the two genders. Appreciating these differences won’t “hurt” women and non-whites (which white Westerners have often claimed for the last 50 years); rather, it will insure that white Western men can prolong the culture for which they were once justifiably proud.

The modern West is actively going backward in terms of over-all cultural freedom (of which freedom of speech is the most important), due to the (heavily contrived) advancement of women and non-whites and the growing pressure to never say anything negative about these two groups or the practices intended to help them (like affirmative action, hate speech codes, and dumbed down schools).

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=hate+speech&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Chate%20speech%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2Chate%20speech%3B%2Cc0

“Hate speech” is not have wider usage until after 1987.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dumbing+down&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cdumbing%20down%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2Cdumbing%20down%3B%2Cc0

“Dumbing down” begins to see greater usage in the 1980’s.

The late 80’s is when it was becoming apparent that women and non-Asian minorities generally struggle to compete with elite white and Asian men in many fields. But this is also when “white” countries began to see rapid increases in the non-white population, and more women going to college. You see what’s going on here? The continuous disappointing performance of women and NAMs has led to growing efforts to both outlaw criticism of minorities and make studies easier (so Suzy, Juan, and Tyrone don’t get a massive headache from high-ed course with 1950’s level rigor).

As soon as we became more individualistic around 1970, and began voting more for the GOP, that’s exactly when we began sliding down the path of decadence, which the GOP than glibly blames on “Leftists”.

Yes, there’s a lot of truth in that.

And interestingly you see the same story in other countries. In Britain the Conservative Party has done more to encourage degeneracy and decadence than Labour. Blair was a disaster but Thatcher, Cameron and May were worse. No-one did more to wreck traditional Britain than Thatcher. In Australia the supposedly conservative LNP led the push for homosexual marriage.

Decadence is mostly a right-wing thing. Free markets, open borders and the encouragement of degeneracy all go together.

All liberals would like their grandchildren to be liberals, regardless of colour.

Which actually says nothing about their preferences for marriage.

It actually says everything about their preferences for marriage. It says that class (and being a liberal is very much a class thing), culture and political ideology are as important as race.

I’m not arguing that race doesn’t exist or that it’s not important to people. I’m simply arguing that other things are just as important.

Would you honestly like your granddaughter to be a blue-haired Democrat-voting lesbian SJW?

If he’s caucasian, he’s white in the case that the term is being used for the race of people collectively referred to as white people. Of course, Caucasian is an ethnicity, as well, since the Caucasus is a geographical area. Good thing you posted pics. That makes it easier.

The extent to which a commenter agrees with me is a reasonably good proxy for how intelligent, thoughtful, and fair-minded they are.

…Well isn’t that special.

Money?

Are you fucking retarded or something? Yes you are. Your chart does not even plot the distribution of interracial pairings and my chart (whch does) clearly shows that interacial Asian pairings are roughly half distributed between white/nonwhite and that Hispanics (bogus category anyway) are roughly 80/20.

The one question that I always want to ask a liberal is “WTF is wrong with you?”

Well Twinx, I mean, an alpha like yourself would be doing your children a disservice by raising them in Singapore (or Kentucky) instead of Chechnya. Think about it, a Christian, American, mixed-race, ex US Military family in Chechnya?!? think of all the great sparring, daily, that you and the boys would get, even when you didn’t want it!

And your daughters? 100m Olympic sprint champions for sure. I mean, as they say repitition is the mother of skill, and y’all’s judo would improve precipitiously if the rules were kill or die.

I do wonder though, if the current white-black rate is really that much higher than the rate we had in the 90’s or 2000’s.

Proportionately, it is lower. BMWF peaked in the 1990s both in terms of actual prevalence and media exposure. People such as yourself are suffering from selective amnesia/dementia.

This is a capitalist county, Boris, argubably the most capitalist in history, and that is a personal problem.

I’m guessing that Pakistani Muslims would prefer their kid to marry a white Muslim rather than a Pakistani atheist SJW

Darn right! Marrying a Pakistani atheist is a no-go – completely haram, you might as well try to marry your cat or your truck. Genetics is completely irrelevant in this case.

Peace.

“The power to exclude is central to the freedom to not associate.”

The power to include without malice or harm is paramount to the freedom to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You have the power to personally associate with anyone you desire. We have tried the experiment of enabling people through legal means to exclude whomever they choose from the body politic, as well as social institutions, and the result were Southrons (NOT Southerners) who repeatedly violated several Constitutional amendments. They got greedy–separate and unequal–which was not the ruling issued in the Plessy case.

Remember, there were southern white people who desired to sell property to blacks, employ blacks and afford them equal wages and benefits, and marry blacks. These whites were denied their opportunity to exercise their freedom to associate in their own community through social pressure and by the force of law, i.e. organized human coercion. Indeed, the battle cry of Southrons was “What fraction of that is right?”, with the resounding answer “Zero”. Thus, the 1964 Civil Rights Act ensured that their ham fisted efforts to deny people fundamental liberties would be addressed by the rule of law.

Except white “Westerners” are looking out for the long-term survival of their genetics, and are prolonging their culture, just in ways you personally find distasteful. Perhaps these “racial and gender differences” are not as important to them compared to yourself.

“The Right must promote a Eurocentrism and a Singaporean “strong state” model to encourage assimilation to a revitalized Eurocentric culture, which will deter those that can’t/won’t assimilate.”

That’s great in theory. Today’s white men and women tend to have their own views about race and culture. You’re going to have to propagandize the hell out of several generations to convince them otherwise. Generation Z holds the key. They are diverse, tend to be fiscal conservative but social liberals, and are poised to take over the institutions. Do you have the time, energy, and Daddy Warbucks money to go on a soapbox tour of epic proportions to maybe make a small dent in the line of thinking of that group?

“The latter have a substantial fraction of white ancestry.”

I laugh at you civ nats who throw this line out like it means anything. “Substantial” being used in a completely relative sense. An average of 20% Euro ancestry for the American negro, if it’s even that high, which I doubt, has made no measurable positive influence upon the group as a whole. Physiologically and behaviorally they are African. Every shred of evidence confirms they cannot function productively and independently within Western Civilization but you would have your “fellow” Americans continue to be subject to their primitiveness so you can maintain some grotesque sense of morality.

“Ethnicity is also both a biological and a social construct.”

Race is not a social construct. Society is a racial construct.

But the strange thing is that the populace has to some degree (albeit not to New Deal era levels) chosen on it’s own to not be as degenerate as it could be; the authorities since the 70’s have put less and less effort into regulating many things, only going after the most obvious things like violent criminals and hard drugs. But asking the populace to regulate itself is a dubious proposition, since things like dangerous dog ownership, risky stock market plays, obesity levels, production (and therefore consumption) of extreme porno and so on are all clearly much worse nowadays than they were in the 1930’s-1960’s.

Some forms of degeneracy were at their worst in the 70’s and 80’s, but have since gotten better(the the young generations of that time thought they were rebelling against “squares). That being said, if we returned to New Deal norms of tightly knit communities policing their residents (which would put gambling, homosexuality, obesity, and dangerous use of drugs and alcohol back on the margins where they belong) that would go a long way towards reducing most of the excesses that have been a clear problem since the 70’s.

I’ve tried to tell people about the often contradictory relationship between the two camps of conservatism; there is the Anglo neo-liberal camp that attempts to shrink or co-opt the government so that profit motivated “private” sector entities get their way. Then there is the cultural traditionalist conservative camp that seeks to maintain order and tradition, even if it means trampling on ostensible rights. A big reason self-described conservatives are often unhappy is because there is always a tug of war between the anti-statist social Darwinists (libertarians) and the morally driven cultural types. Both sides always have their guard up that the other side is trying to strangle them. On the other hand, left-liberals generally don’t have to deal with this same tension and division.

The neo-lib era has been about “conservatives” using big government for policing of street crime* and war, to the point that the government is actually bigger now than it was in the 70’s. But since corporate monopolies grow unchecked and the wealthy are asked to shoulder less and less of the financial burden, the modern establishment Right is evidently just fine with today’s variant of big government.

WRT freedom, there is intellectual freedom, financial freedom (as in you have enough money to get by), and cultural freedom. Though the right makes a big deal out of “freedom”, the reality is that intellectual freedom has been under siege since the late 80’s beginnings of PC and corporate enforced doctrine regarding “sensitivity” and “safety”. Financial freedom is enjoyed by the top 20%, but the other 80% are poorly paid, don’t own much property or stocks (so they can’t gain wealth from asset appreciation), and deal with massive healthcare, education, and housing costs). Not at all like the 1940’s-early 1970’s when more and more people could easily afford to start a family. Cultural freedom regarding marijuana, prostitution, porn, gambling, video game playing, etc. is certainly higher now than it was 50, or 60, or 70 years ago (although police state measures regarding drunk driving appear to have heavily diminished the appeal of even rather casual drinking). And theaters no longer admit minors to R-rated movies like they did in the 80’s and early 90’s. So I suppose on the cultural front it’s a mixed bag.

Overall, though, the trend is toward too much of the wrong kind of freedom (cultural freedom) and not enough of the good kind of freedom (intellectual and financial freedom).

individualism had it’s virtues, but it’s now clearly being used and abused for the sake of furthering decadence and disease

This seems to be the inevitable cycle that civilizations caught up in individualism tend to suffer. You would hope people would only use their freedoms for noble and moral ends, but “muh on-demand porn” style decadence seems to crop up in various incarnations:

As for the rest of your comment; I personally like the idea of a meritocracy, but it should really be one that simply allows people to achieve to the potential that they can and not handicap some to play with others.

Peace.

“OK. Then both Jews and most East Asians are white. Many Middle Easterners (Lebanese, Syrians, Turks, and some Iranians) are white too.”

Uhhh, that may very well be. And it explains the expanding definition of whiteness to include even darker shades of Latinos, etc. Skin color is a matter of hue. Black, how black, brown, how brown, red how red, white, how white . . . the pressure is making the one drop rule rather vague, if one can imagine one drop as anything but other than vague.

My point is not about hue. It’s the peculiar reasoning about skin color and “race”. But what I find is going to be a quite a hat trick is when the immigrants intended to add to white numbers actually turn out to be the key deconstructionists of whiteness and the American Enterprise. Now corporate citizens may whether that shift, but for those of us in the middle, and below, the US may cease to have meaning. And I certainly intend to fight that battle.

But there’s no record of whites not beating the tar out of each other – just because they were white. And the blurring the lines to demographic advantage — is “iffy” in my view.

These: (Lebanese, Syrians, Turks, and some Iranians) are nationalities and ethnicities not skin colors.

Ed Dutton did a good video on how the more distant the two races are the higher the incidence of mental problems there are in the offspring.