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To express his skepticism about the existence of any morally valid proof for the formula:

Somali Muslim + criticism of Jewish influence = white gentiles are evil

, Alabama representative Mo Brooks voted against the anti-ism resolution in the House on account of its failure to condemn anti-white and anti-Christian hate, both of which are hate crime categories tracked by the FBI (to be precise, “anti-Christian” is further divided into several denominational categories, but the point remains).

While there is no apparent reason to doubt Brooks’ sincerity on both accounts–whites and Christians have been on the receiving end of a lot of hate over the millennia!–“anti-white” causes more uncomfortable squirming among normies than “anti-Christian” does.

Consequently, it makes rhetorical sense to marry the two. Even though blacks are more likely to identify as Christian in the US than whites are, when the ideological totalitarians think of Christians, it’s hidebound whites clinging to guns and bibles who come to their minds.

The larger the basket of deplorables is, the better chance those deplorables have in withstanding the onslaught against them.

GSS variables used: RACECEN1(1)(2), HISPANIC(1), RELIG

 
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  1. anon[762] • Disclaimer says:

    “Alabama representative Mo Brooks voted against the anti-ism resolution in the House on account of its failure to condemn anti-white and anti-Christian hate”

    See? You CAN defy ZOG as long as you identify yourself as an ethnic representative of an oppressed group standing up to defend against attack. Exactly as I have been saying all along. Use their tactics against them. Adopt their mentality. Ask yourself, why does the SPLC and ADL have power? Answer: you give them power by tacitly accepting their rules, their system; you want to be part of their society (the larger United States), so you cower at the prospect of being ostracized from it…but what if you no longer wished to be a part of their system but your own – a separate country? The rules change then. At that point, attacks on you – a self-styled representative of your ethnic group defending it against oppression – become an attack on ALL members of that group, at least in their minds. That rallies support from normies who think emotionally, tribally; until now, you guys have been focused on enlisting logical-thinkers, high IQ minorities with zero broad-based appeal.

    And that’s why WN failed and will always fail. Whites want to be seen as “good” to other whites nation wide, so it’s easy for liberal whites to shame others into submission and ostracize them from the society they want to be part of. That’s also why the fallacy of the 10% tipping point never materialized. Lost in that argument is an understanding that such 10%s usually accompany organized groups that afford adherents some protection against outside attack – the gay community before gay marriage, for instance (now we have gay marriage).

    God bless Mr. Brooks for standing up to this racist, bigoted attack. The guy’s a true hero…until he inevitably apologies, that is.

    • Agree: utu
  2. Twinkie says:

    The larger the basket of deplorables is, the better chance those deplorables have in withstanding the onslaught against them.

    Concisely- and well-put.

    The Romans never fought alone and always had allies (usually making up half of their armies), and they conquered the entire Mediterranean world thusly (well, ok, they did have to work things out with their allies via the Social War).

    Militant white nationalism might be emotionally satisfying for some, but it has a very low probability of success. What I call an inclusive, implicit white majoritarianism would achieve most of the goals of white nationalism and has a much greater chance of success. It would also involve much less force and bloodshed, which – if you are not a video game-addled juvenile without real world experience in sectarian/tribal violence – means a great deal.

  3. Rosie says:
    @Twinkie

    What I call an inclusive, implicit white majoritarianism would achieve most of the goals of white nationalism and has a much greater chance of success.

    Unfortunately for everyone, that deal has already been offered and decisively rejected.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  4. What I call an inclusive, implicit white majoritarianism would achieve most of the goals of white nationalism and has a much greater chance of success.

    Agreed. I’ve seen Steve Sailer make snarky remarks to the Jewish media people (not like he’s got their attention) to the effect of “hey, you’ve done pretty well here. Do you really think it’s wise to continue to try to take this whole thing down due to some butthurt from 75 years about those country clubs?” People have to to make the reasonable-thinking minorities realize that if this thing goes down, they are going down right with it.

    The problem I see is that whether it’s the Chinese, dot-Indians, blacks or whomever, these groups think they are on an unstoppable roll now. Do they understand that they and their children may not like living in the country they make after they kick the white people out of power and control of the economy? I would bet a lot of the working people do understand that, but their “leaders” don’t give a damn, and are just spiteful and hungry for power. (The women involved especially don’t know what gives them their heat, their crossover SUVs, and their granite countertops. That goes for every race and ethnicity.)

  5. @Achmed E. Newman

    OMG, no 5-minute [EDIT] window, and I just saw Rosie on here after I commented! You are excepted from that one, Rosie … you and future President Ann Coulter.

    ;-}

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  6. @Achmed E. Newman

    That is, the 1st woman President, and she will make sure she is the last by helping form a Constitutional Convention to repeal Amendment XIX.

    I’M WITH HER!

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  7. @Achmed E. Newman

    The impending severe economic downturn will have a lot of silver linings, won’t it?

    Schadenfreude? No! I’m just always try to see the best in things, even bad things!

  8. The Z Blog says: • Website

    The term “anti-white” is like black magic on baby boomers. I’m around a lot of typical BoomerCons and test out various phrases on them. So far, my test subjects become confused and agitated whenever I use anti-white around them.

    The weird thing is they don’t seem to be getting used to it. They not only take other dissident slang in stride, but often incorporate it. The term “anti-white” is as triggering the tenth time as it was the first time. I suspect a long life time of conditioning has made it very hard for them to process being a hated minority and being the object of cultural discrimination.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Mr McKenna
    , @Anon
    , @Corvinus
  9. @Twinkie

    “Militant white nationalism might be emotionally satisfying for some…”

    I think it’s possible that you might be misinterpreting the prediction that is often made here, which is, to be generic, that ‘violence will be necessary.’

    I have made that prediction before, or something similar to it, but it isn’t made out of gleeful anticipation of violence or even a want to dominate another group of people. The prediction is based on observing that our country has passed a point of no return, legislatively, economically, politically, and demographically.

    I doubt I’m alone when I say I’d much rather these groups of foreign people who have descended upon the US realize the gravity of this situation and peacefully return to their places of origin, in return for the US removing the entirety of its military presence from around the globe, plus a few other things.

    But that’s not going to happen. The former prediction is more realistic. And the outcome of which will not be able to be defined in terms of “success” for any participants.

    As I’ve said too many times here recently: I have a family. I’d much rather see my kids grow up and find happiness in being productive persons, rather than canon fodder.

    As for the rest of your comment I certainly agree.

  10. Rosie says:
    @The Z Blog

    I suspect a long life time of conditioning has made it very hard for them to process being a hated minority and being the object of cultural discrimination.

    They are clinging to the delusion that Whites still control the country so they can avoid facing the truth of what they have allowed to happen.

  11. @Audacious Epigone

    Yeah, they’ll be a severe need for humor and looking on the bright side, I can tell you that. BTW one silver lining I see, is that when the SHTF and things get real, the stupidity stops. That is the basic premise that is elucidated daily on Peak Stupidity and humorously expounded on, on our “about” page – “What is Peek Stoopiditee?”

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  12. Twinkie says:
    @Rosie

    Unfortunately for everyone, that deal has already been offered and decisively rejected.

    Yes, apparently by women:
    Men:

    Women:

    Your reply reminds me of some of the early conversations I had with WN-types on iSteve, which went pretty much along the lines of the following:

    Me: I am pretty pro-white and identify with the Anglo-American culture. I grew up watching “Little House on the Prairie” and playing cowboys and Indians. And I abhor the anti-white (especially anti-“flyover country” white) sentiments that are infecting the mainstream media.

    WN-types: Liar! You are a nonwhite, so you hate whites and want to race-replace us! You are just trying to deceive us!

    Me: My wife is white and her family – which is now my family – is white, and Midwestern rural whites at that. My kids are half-white and culturally identify as white. All my closest friends are (conservative and Christian) whites. It would be very odd for me to hate whites when so many are near and dear to me.

    WN-types: Liar! You are not married, but even if you were, your wife is a self-hating white and your children are not white anyway! You are just trying to fool us!

    Me: What would be the point of trying to fool you? You have no power and are on the losing side. If I were trying to serve myself, I’d be kissing up to the mainstream elites – and I have the credentials to be a part of them – instead of engaging with you.

    WN-types: I knew it! Your contempt for us real whites is palpable!

    Sometimes I get the feeling that some of the more militant WN-types harbor a lot of racial animus and are projecting. In other words, they seem to want nonwhites to harbor greater hostility toward whites than the nonwhites actually do, so as to justify their own hatred – which is a self-fulfilling prophesy (yes, if you keep advocating for a white ethno-state, you will not find any nonwhite allies).

    This is not to say there aren’t nonwhites out there who do really hate white people. But that’s a sentiment much more pronounced among blacks. It’s considerably less common among Hispanics and Asians who generally tend to keep their heads down and concentrate on working and feeding their families (and educating their children, in the case of the Asians), notwithstanding a small fraction of activist types who parrot anti-white propaganda.

    Furthermore, the more decisive cultural conflict in the United States right now is not that between whites and nonwhites. It is one between Goodwhites and Badwhites, e.g. between people who write on the comment section of the Washington Post and the people who comment here. Although blacks have decisively cast their lot with Goodwhites, Hispanic and Asian political affiliations are both much more malleable and less set.

    Badwhites may never win over a majority of the latter, but they stand a good chance of winning over a substantial minority (say, 40-45%), which will make a difference in close contests – that is, if they don’t engage in a self-destructive and self-fulfilling prophesy of “All nonwhites hate whites, so we better hate them first” stupidity.

  13. Rosie says:
    @Twinkie

    Sometimes I get the feeling that some of the more militant WN-types harbor a lot of racial animus and are projecting.

    How non–whites feel about Whites is of very little concern to most WN. Their presence here in overwhelming numbers will drive us to extinction either way.

  14. Twinkie says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    The prediction is based on observing that our country has passed a point of no return, legislatively, economically, politically, and demographically.

    I think kids call this “black-pilling,” and it is unwarranted. When you buy a mutual fund, you will see the disclaimer: “Past performance is not a guarantee of future performance.” Linear future (esp. long-term) projections based on the (more immediate) past patterns is almost always wrong. Ask any demographer.

    these groups of foreign people who have descended upon the US realize the gravity of this situation and peacefully return to their places of origin

    Most WN-types seem to consider most nonwhite citizens as these “foreign people.” If you think so as well, see my reply to Rosie.

    • Replies: @216
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  15. 216 says:
    @Twinkie

    When SJWs say “representation matters”, no one seems to question why this doesn’t include white conservatives.

    We don’t get positive representations in the media or in the universities. In spite of our efforts getting the tax cut, corporations wish we didn’t exist.

    I argue for counter-cultural community building as a process towards eventual self-determination.

    When a demographic votes 3-1 Dem election after election, I can only intepret these actions as hatred.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Stan d Mute
    , @kikz
  16. Twinkie says:
    @216

    When a demographic votes 3-1 Dem election after election, I can only intepret these actions as hatred.

    75% to 25%? Which group is that?

    And what are you going to do with the 25%?

    • Replies: @216
  17. 216 says:
    @Twinkie

    I don’t really have much interest in solutions to this question, I’m not Hispanic or Asian so I defer it to them. The solution I am arguing for is for white conservatives to start thinking of themselves as an embattled minority group vulnerable to assimilation, which for Millennials/Zeds, accurately represents our situation.

    If people are anti-white to the point that Romney is unacceptable to them, they really would be happier in the Old Country or in Bluestan. I think it is immoral for an election to be won on an anti-white platform, but then rely on white conservative tax dollars. That’s what the ANC has done to Afrikaners for a quarter century, and it violates every principle of national self-determination which is the cause that we fought the World Wars over.

    The 25%, maybe they should start morally shaming the other 3/4ths of their people instead of badgering us. AMWF and Jews are the Dissident movements’ equivalent of “male feminists” and “white allyship”.

  18. 216 says:

    O/T

    Elections, Israel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2019_Israeli_legislative_election

    Thoughts?

    If Bibi is gone, perhaps bad news for EE Euronats. FPO, PiS, Fidesz, etc have benefitted from using Likud as a shield against the racist card. I have high doubts that Gen. Gantz as PM will show any sympathy, rather he’s going to be in Macron’s camp (despite having no different stance on the two-state solution).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zehut

    Interesting that they might make it in, arguably the best platform from our perspective, though I presume they won’t be getting support from the Arab Christians.

    Also notable, given that Gantz is running as pseudo-Labor, how much more right-wing Israel has become since 2000. Israelis tend to see the Army officers as “left”, a practically unheard of suggestion in Western countries. But these leftists are far tougher than Rabin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafi_Peretz

    Read this, wow…

  19. @Audacious Epigone

    The impending severe economic downturn will have a lot of silver linings

    Seems that it’ll happen in the middle of next year at the latest, no?

    TPTB want to make sure that Crazy Don is just a one-termer, no matter who they run.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  20. Anon[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Agreed. This should take place along a few vectors:

    1) Outreach towards White, Asian, and top 20% Hispanic women, focusing on strengthening maternity benefits. Most of these women will end up as stay-at-home moms anyway as they age.
    2) Less focus on White Nationalist rhetoric; more focus on IQ societal fault lines. Accept that, empirically speaking, that Whites are the only ones with the organizational skills, testosterone levels, and creativity to drive the bus, even if, rhetorically speaking, it means downplaying White superiority.
    3) Take the gift that Dems are handing us with regard to foreign meddling in elections. Republicans should push legislation that forces transparency in this area, which will overwhelmingly hit Jewish liberal donors. Without them, Democratic party lacks the brains and money to support itself.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @RadicalCenter
  21. @The Z Blog

    I suspect a long life time of conditioning has made it very hard for them to process being a hated minority and being the object of cultural discrimination.

    Your suspicion is accurate. They would much rather hate themselves than admit that they’ve been trained since birth to hate themselves.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  22. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog

    If rhetoric is going to mobilize whites, it will have to be geared around protecting children. If a politician talks about opioid deaths, then higher SES whites mentally downplay victims as white trash. But talk about the children that grow up without parents, and the light bulb goes off. This will make it easier to mobilize white female voters, as well.

  23. Jay Fink says:
    @Twinkie

    I know there was an entire post about that chart but the gap of Trump support between Jewish men and women under age 50 is incredibly large.

  24. Rosie says:
    @216

    If people are anti-white to the point that Romney is unacceptable to them, they really would be happier in the Old Country or in Bluestan.

    This!

  25. Twinkie says:
    @216

    I don’t really have much interest in solutions to this question

    So you have nothing for them, but…

    The 25%, maybe they should start morally shaming the other 3/4ths of their people instead of badgering us.

    Do you know how much flak they already get for, in effect, siding with you?

    What you are suggesting is, “My allies, thanks for the support – here is a satchel charge for you – now go amongst your own people.” Minus “thanks for the support, of course.”

    AMWF and Jews are the Dissident movements’ equivalent of “male feminists” and “white allyship”.

    I don’t even know what the heck this means. How does me being married to my white wife make me an equivalent to being a “male feminist” on the other side?

    And this is exactly what I am talking about. You run into a pro-white minority, and you offer an ideological suicide mission and insults.

    • Agree: Craig Nelsen
    • Replies: @216
    , @Audacious Epigone
  26. @Twinkie

    This is not to say there aren’t nonwhites out there who do really hate white people. But that’s a sentiment much more pronounced among blacks.

    I think that this is actually the majoritarian position Twinkles. The problem is in the numbers. We can assimilate you and apparently have done so. You’ve been adopted into our tribe. You strive to prove your value as a member.

    Obola a case in point, he was, to use your confection, an Oreo but later abandoned this and turned against us when he saw the winds of opportunity shifting. The problem is that we are turning out many more Obolas now than Twinkles.

    Negroes aside for a moment, other groups, let’s pick on Persians for an example, are very much a numbers game. We had a couple Persians in our neighborhood back in my youth. They were fully assimilated just as you are. But when we allow fifty thousand of them at a crack, we get Dearbornistan. Now even Dearbornistan is tolerable provided they aren’t pumping out jihadis (and so far they haven’t been to a significant degree), but they’re not assimilating like the couple of Persians from my youth. We can tolerate this Semitic colony (for now), but to think that they’re Americans in any sense is a grave mistake.

    Ten thousand Somalis in Maine or a hundred thousand in Minnesota are a colonial outpost, not immigrants who will ever assimilate. Kids, young boys especially, desperately need to find their identity. You became our Twinkles, Obola was an Oreo, these Somali kids become Somalians and they’re not compatible with our soft weak prosperous white western civilization. Bantus are probably less assimilable than Somalis and offer a glimpse into our future – Minneapolis will become Somalia just as Detriot has become Haiti.

    Where your parents came here to escape the shitshow back home, you yourself could have gone either way in your quest for identity. You chose our tribe, but had you been raised in a majority population of East Asians you could easily have gone full bore Chinese supremacist and dedicated your life to the cause, hating the Other to which you do not belong. The second and third generations are a bigger problem than the first as many here have noted and proven. They become foreign subversives in our midst as they have chosen an identity and ideology in opposition to the host. They become pathogens.

    And, again, it’s all in the numbers. We can assimilate some negroes – turn them into Thomas Sowells or Clarence Thomases or Larry Elders – but with 40,000,000+ of them it’s a lost battle. The same holds to a somewhat lesser extent with East Asians, Mesoamerican Mestizos & aborigines, East Africans (Somalis, Ethiopians, etc), Semites, etc. Genetic distance appears to play a significant role alongside the population numbers. A Jew and an Arab can be the best of friends in a neighborhood where both are assimilated to an overwhelming majority of Northern Europeans, but when the numbers change we get Israel/Palestine/Beirut, their boys become militants in their identity and civil war ensues.

    In my opinion, shared by many here apparently, we’ve crossed the Rubicon already on the numbers of very distant (and thus very difficult if not impossible to assimilate) populations. The pathogen load is more than the host’s immune response can tolerate. We are barely surviving the Bantu presence, the costs are incalculable, there is no hope whatsoever that we can incur similar numbers of other populations and survive whether they are more assimilable or not.

    The subject of this thread, conflating white/Christian, paints our internal problem as the Christian identity is universalist and unable to acknowledge the reality we face. It assumes that the problem can be remedied if we just proselytize the gospels to the Somali or Semitic or Hindu hordes, ignoring the failure to assimilate the negroes or mestizos who are already Christians. To think that this could work is the definition of insanity no? Repeating the same actions over and again hoping for a different outcome..

  27. @216

    In spite of our efforts getting the tax cut, corporations wish we didn’t exist.

    Corporations are relentlessly seeking growth, in today’s paradigm that growth is in alien populations. Thus far, we haven’t punished the corporations for turning against us so they don’t give a moment’s thought to anything else.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  28. @Mr McKenna

    Your suspicion is accurate. They would much rather hate themselves than admit that they’ve been trained since birth to hate themselves.

    It’s less about hating themselves than about internalizing the JewGod Messiah’s universalism. If everyone is the same in Christ Jesus then only an apostate can reject the premise and differentiate between the human sub-species. The communist version (western flavor) also internalizes this universalism as it has replaced the Messiah with the State while leaving the rest intact.

    The SJW status signaling is the same as the puritanical shaming. “We are holier than you are.”

  29. @Twinkie

    “I think kids call this “black-pilling,” and it is unwarranted. When you buy a mutual fund, you will see the disclaimer: “Past performance is not a guarantee of future performance.” Linear future (esp. long-term) projections based on the (more immediate) past patterns is almost always wrong. Ask any demographer.”

    Referring to my observations as black pilling, is actually known by an even older term most young people aren’t aware of: shoehorning.

    And ask any demographer? Demography is the basis of my concern! Europeans and white Americans are being deliberately outbred within their own countries!

    “Most WN-types seem to consider most nonwhite citizens as these “foreign people.”

    This is a simplistic and deceptive straw man, sprinkled with a little bit of your tendency to hang yourself on a cross as the Mary Sue of all martyrs.

    In your reply to Rosie you complain about being called a subversive, but you have no problem insinuating that I (and anyone who doesn’t celebrate reckless immigration, apparently) am a “WN type.” LOL – Just speak plainly and call me a nigger next time.

    You can read Stan’s reply to you for a rebuke that pretty much sums up how I see the landscape.

  30. 216 says:
    @Twinkie

    So you have nothing for them, but…

    Do you know how much flak they already get for, in effect, siding with you?

    Yes, I don’t see much of an alternative that satisfies both sides.

    What you are suggesting is, “My allies, thanks for the support – here is a satchel charge for you – now go amongst your own people.” Minus “thanks for the support, of course.”

    White liberals get moral absolution for betraying their own people. We aren’t offering that, I don’t think we could nor should.

    If there is anything of a solution that I’m offering, it is to take away the Tribal Gun from at least some non-whites, if not all. I see this as logistically easier than renormalizing a white identity politics.

    an equivalent to being a “male feminist” on the other side?

    That’s not an insult, I am making a reasonable comparison to inter-group relations within the left-wing. SJW Feminists recognize the utility of “male feminist allies” but constantly complain about them, for fear that men are affiliating with feminsm for sex, and have a tendency to but in and “mansplain” causing internal discord within their movements.

    No good deed goes unpunished, it appears this applies to both of us.

  31. Here’s how it’d have to go, people to have any chance of fixing things: When you are in a hole, the first thing you do is STOP DIGGING! That’s what the border “wall” (a decent working barrier would be fine) is about. This must be done before or simultaneously with the next steps, or there is just no point.

    The next steps are:

    1) There are tens of millions, call it 30-40, of illegal aliens in America. They must be deported upon arrest for any crime, or upon failure of an E-verify check, upon notification to ICE from anybody, or anything else other than random stops just for Orwellian “citizenship checks”. Once this starts happening in earnest, there will be millions who will realize it might be better to go home under their own power than to be caught in this system, with its “indignities” and such.

    2) I don’t just mean Hispanics that came across the southern border. There have been millions of illegal entries due to overstaying of Visas of all kinds – student, fiance, work, and tourist visas. Information on most of these people is KNOWN. Finding them can be a different story, but it’s the job of the Feral Gov’t to take care of this. Also see (1), as in, once this is seriously underway, many (especially the tourist overstayers) will want to get out to keep their “good name”.

    3) There are millions of legal resident Green-Card holders, foreign “nationals”, that is. 10-year Green-Cards should be rescinded, with a few month’s warning. The 2-year card holders should be scrutinized, by computer, and then by people, to discern whether they legitimately ought to be here.

    4) Just as important as the border barrier is: An immigration moratorium of indefinite duration – I’d suggest 5 decades as a start – bringing numbers of legal immigrants down below 100,000 to max 1/4 million yearly must be put into law.

    As much as the courageous legislators and executives who could get this done would be called every name in the book, all of this is perfectly Constitutional and one of the few areas that the Federal Gov’t SHOULD be involved in. Hear me now, or believe me later, this stuff must be done, if America is to survive in any form most of us think of as America. If President Trump had gotten this going, I’d be his 2nd biggest fan in the world, rather than thinking he’s a retarded liar and a coward.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Audacious Epigone
  32. @Twinkie

    What differentiates inclusive, implicit white majoritarianism from white nationalism?

    • Replies: @216
    , @Truth
    , @Twinkie
  33. iffen says:

    White nationalism is a dead end.

    Whites cannot “do” white nationalism because of their cultural and genetic heritage.

    The Third Reich was the last hurrah.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Pericles
  34. Issac says:
    @Twinkie

    “This is not to say there aren’t nonwhites out there who do really hate white people. But that’s a sentiment much more pronounced among blacks.”

    Hate isn’t required for much of anything. Whites in the United States do not enjoy the protections of the various Civil Rights amendments. It is clear that, whether hateful or not, the majority of the POC electorate aren’t interested in changing that, despite the fact that all and sundry know the white pop. will be just another minority group within a generation with or without any immigration figures. Hate fueled or not, that is an existential threat to the white population.

    The trouble with white nationalists is that their desires were politically unrealistic. They did not; however, misjudge the tribal nature of politics, not in the least. POC who figure that whites have not been charitable enough in this regard should be considered subversive or profoundly unserious. White Americans in particular are far and away the most obsequious and xenophilic population anywhere on earth at any time in history.

    The future certainly includes less “hate,” but only in public. In private the tribal tensions that are everywhere apparent will breed “hate,” like at no other time in recent history. Particularly since the dissident vote is very likely to move into the hard left. When a country for your people can’t be preserved, the shopping mall that took its place can still be set alight.

    • Agree: silviosilver
  35. @Stan d Mute

    The second and third generations are a bigger problem than the first as many here have noted and proven. They become foreign subversives in our midst as they have chosen an identity and ideology in opposition to the host.

    This is why both the first and second generations should only be allowed residency, not citizenship.  The third generation should be allowed to APPLY for citizenship, not granted by birthright; only the children of citizens should receive such.  That way, if the second generation becomes oppositional or criminal we can revoke their family’s residency and send them back; this eliminates the problem of groups failing to assimilate by marking them “Return To Sender”.

    Imagine what would have become of the Somali invasion in Minnesota if the “teens” who videoed themselves assaulting White people had been packed up and returned to Mogadishu along with their very pissed-off parents and siblings.  Imagine if the gang-bangers making threats there were simply rounded up and removed.  It would be a whole new dynamic.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  36. @Twinkie

    I wish what you were saying was true. Maybe it was 40 years ago, when you were a kid.

    Unfortunately, the majority do actually hate whites. In small numbers, without the media presence, they assimilate. But we have such massive numbers of them now. They hate us, look down on us, and will shout with glee as our countries go down the tubes (they have no foresight). Trust me, I deal with these sort of people every day.

    It actually seems to be a case of these 2nd generation immigrants assimilating too well, they pick up the anti white hate from the media and run with it. Think about it. Assimilating into the mainstream culture is to hate whites, and want to take down the country.

    Non whites only understand one tactic: strength. The Portugese understood this centuries ago. Right now, our very weak, white traitor leaders are selling us out. They see this as an invitation. Many immigrants I meet want to assimilate, in fact they try to. This effort leads them into anti white hatred and destruction; they can’t understand the layers of our societies.

    The Jewish media needs to be culled. Then the white haters need to get out. I don’t really blame them, they are like dogs that ran off leash. But they are still a huge problem. One positive: non whites hate whites so much that there is no possibility for whites to “assimilate” into the great brown mass.

  37. @Achmed E. Newman

    BTW one silver lining I see, is that when the SHTF and things get real, the stupidity stops.

    In this you are precisely and entirely correct.

  38. notanon says:
    @Twinkie

    What I call an inclusive, implicit white majoritarianism would achieve most of the goals of white nationalism and has a much greater chance of success.

    I don’t disagree in principle but I think there are a three practical problems with this:

    1) a large part of this is driven by the central banking mafia who have a parasitic business model which is now in the end phase

    their plan for the end game (imo) is to finish off their previous host (USA) as a way of insinuating themselves into China’s financial system where they will start the same parasitic process – horizontal transmission with virulence.

    2) another aspect is a population who (imo) have evolved a compulsion to incite anti-semitism as a means of preventing assimilation

    3) white people have been too shiny – this may not be a big deal with those peoples capable of being shiny themselves but for those peoples who aren’t capable (at least not without some centuries of selective breeding) getting rid of white people is more a question of smashing an unflattering mirror than hate per se.

    I’m not against compromise on this issue at the *end* of the process but compromising at the beginning is not going to help imo

    (although behaving in a way that ensures that compromise is still available at the end is worth doing)

  39. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    So I’m taking it that the Modern Day Vikings should allow in…Asian guys with white wives, for instance? Just throwing it out there…

  40. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That is, the 1st woman President,

    I’m confused, I thought you were talking about Ann Coulter?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  41. Truth says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I have a family. I’d much rather see my kids grow up and find happiness in being productive persons, rather than canon fodder.

    I think a “Father of the Year” nomination from you local Kiwanis Club is in order there, Rabbi.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  42. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    Sometimes I get the feeling that some of the more militant WN-types harbor a lot of racial animus and are projecting.

    Really?!?!?

    Man, I really missed out on that Stuyvesant education…

  43. Truth says:
    @Anon

    Accept that, empirically speaking, that Whites are the only ones with the organizational skills, testosterone levels, and creativity to drive the bus,

    LOL

    Judgement: New campaign, DOA

  44. Truth says:
    @Stan d Mute

    I think that this is actually the majoritarian position Twinkles. The problem is in the numbers. We can assimilate you and apparently have done so. You’ve been adopted into our tribe. You strive to prove your value as a member.

    You read that “Twinkles” Big Stanley has “assimilated you.” Apparently he worked hard at this. Now stive a little harder to prove your value Old Boy, please, no less than a quarter-ton of cotton today by sundown.

  45. Truth says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    In your reply to Rosie you complain about being called a subversive, but you have no problem insinuating that I (and anyone who doesn’t celebrate reckless immigration, apparently) am a “WN type.”

    I think you misunderstand the Big Twink there, Rabbi; If nothing else, he has been quite consistent on having views on immigration slightly to the left of Attila the Hun. He has said on numerous occasions that he has no qualms against slaming the “in” door on all, including his own people, the “fancy Asians.”

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  46. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s what the border “wall” (a decent working barrier would be fine) is about. This must be done before or simultaneously with the next steps, or there is just no point.

    You know, Old Sport, there are theories going around that walls serve two purposes…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  47. @Truth

    Yes, I am. I’M WITH HER! T-shirt says “Ann Coulter ’20” on the back.

    Rosie can be first woman VP if she promises to not attend the Constitutional Convention to repeal Amends. XIX, along with XVI, XVII, and XVIII, if we have time before the buffet and roast of the Hildabeast. (I don’t mean one of those humorous comedy roasts either – bring vinegar-, mustard-, or ketchup-based BBQ sauce, as the Constitution does not stipulate a preference.)

  48. Truth says:
    @Liberty Mike

    Well, in a nutshell, the former are more… well… liberal.

  49. @Truth

    Right, this one will be to keep people OUT, unlike the situation with the Berlin Wall, built to keep people IN, about which retards on Twitter are slightly confused.

  50. J1234 says:

    Three cheers for Mo Brooks. To see this kind of logical reasoning finally making it’s way to public figures and policy makers is encouraging. We need to support him however we can.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  51. 216 says:

    Unironic agreement. Manners matter

    Still, he really needs to ditch Big Social and move to Gab. And encourage everyone else to do the same.

  52. Pericles says:
    @iffen

    Worked well in much of Europe for fifty years or so after that last hurrah.

    The real reason: Imperialists grow brown over time (France, Portugal, UK, US, …). Too bad western Europe got swept up in the UK/US/ZOG embrownening.

  53. Logan says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I think you are not understanding one of the implicit POVs of progressives, which is not surprising since they seldom understand it themselves.

    It consists of a two-part axiom:
    1. Good things (economic growth, liberation, freedom, democracy, etc.) happen by themselves.
    2. Bad things only happen because some evil person (almost always a straight white Christian male) willfully causes them to happen.

    Thus, get rid of white males, at least in positions of power, and only good things will happen forevermore.

    They really do believe this, on a level so deep they don’t even realize they do.

  54. @Anon

    Excellent proposals, sir. I’d just disagree that most of the 20%-highest-earning women in the USA will usually end up as stay-at-Home moms. Many, probably most, currently will have no children at all.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  55. @Truth

    Do you not feel that way about your children?

    • Replies: @Truth
  56. @Rosie

    I saw a good term today: “mental maps.” The context was the population of the Asian subcontinent, as in, peoples’ mental maps have not yet adjusted to the fact that the Asian subcontinent (India, Pakistan, et al.) is now almost twice as populous as mainland China. There are huge consequences to that, but the mental maps haven’t caught up so it’s under-appreciated and muted, so far.

    Russia is still the Soviet Union in a lot of mental maps.

    Same with a 64% and dropping Anglo-European majority in the US. The mental maps of most Americans are 88% white/12% black but that was over 30 years ago. Lots of people don’t realize there are now more latinos than blacks in the US. The reality is 64% white/12% black/16% latino, and a very visible and increasingly influential 8% of mostly Asians. This has happened in a single lifetime. Huge consequences but the mental maps for the still-dominant Boomer cohorts are back in the 1980’s when it was just white people, black people, and everybody else was a statistical blip.

    Check out most popular sitcoms in the 1980s. It was a different world.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  57. @Rosie

    How non–whites feel about Whites is of very little concern to most WN.

    You affirm my belief I’m rare among white nationalists as I only became WN because of my realization how deeply whites are hated. I often repeat the refrain “We don’t need to hate them, we need to realize they hate us.”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  58. 216 says:

    Where upon Ron Unz is proven right, but white conservatives are still blamed Omar-style

  59. Truth says:
    @RadicalCenter

    My son is 28. He makes his own decisions.

  60. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ann Coulter would be the first hybrid president: Human with praying mantis admixture.

  61. @Rosie

    Whites still control the U.S., but they are in the process of ceding power to the unworthy. Apparently, whiteness is a problem.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  62. @216

    Mitt Romney is human? Like Ann Coulter he may be an insect/human hybrid. In Romney’s case his humanity is mixed with mosquito given that he’s a blood-sucking parasite.

  63. @Stan d Mute

    It’s almost as if the current corporate paradigm is anti-human. Certainly the financial sector — dominated by the scions of Nimrod but sprinkled with a few Romneys for window dressing — works counter to human interest.

  64. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Maybe it’s because I spend my time in intensely diverse and liberal areas of California, but I see whites desperately trying to integrate into the coming brown order. Whites spouting anti-whiteness propaganda is part of their program to survive.

  65. Talha says:
    @Twinkie

    You are just trying to fool us!

    Asian-Taqiyyah!

    You make some good points.

    Peace.

  66. @MikeatMikedotMike

    As the saying goes, war is hell. There is nothing I want more than to avoid it. Deporting non-citizens may theoretically be possible with a severe economic downturn/dollar collapse, but deporting citizens of whatever ethnic/racial background is a total non-starter (and would almost certainly lead to largescale violence).

    The optimal outcome in my view is political dissolution of the US. That could potentially be a peaceful way out. The US is an empire united by nothing but economic expediency anymore.

  67. Rosie says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Whites still control the U.S., but they are in the process of ceding power to the unworthy.

    I don’t know about that. The gentleman’s understanding (“bipartisan consensus”) about not explicitly appealing to White voters (racism has no place in society!) essentially disenfranchises us. That is to say, public policy is effectively what you would expect it to be if Whites weren’t allowed to vote at all. We have been shut out of the political process, and very deliberately so.

  68. @Rosie

    No one will drive whites to extinction except for whites themselves.

    • Agree: Talha
  69. Rosie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    As the saying goes, war is hell. There is nothing I want more than to avoid it. Deporting non-citizens may theoretically be possible with a severe economic downturn/dollar collapse, but deporting citizens of whatever ethnic/racial background is a total non-starter (and would almost certainly lead to largescale violence).

    As I have explained to Twinkie elsewhere, this position assumes that non-Whites are not as eager to avoid violence and bloodshed as Whites, and would therefore fight to the death rather than accept incentivized relocation. I don’t claim to know whether that assumption is correct or not; I just think it is quite a remarkable assumption indeed.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  70. @Mr McKenna

    Yeah, I think you’re correct. The Fed tried to tiptoe up to 3% and the markets tanked. There is nothing left in the toolkit. “QE” could spark a currency crisis at this point because no one is going to buy.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  71. @Twinkie

    As an Asian man with white children, you have a vested interest in the protecting the future for white children. It’s self-defeating to push you away.

  72. @Twinkie

    What I call an inclusive, implicit white majoritarianism would achieve most of the goals of white nationalism

    By what mechanism do you propose to ensure this white majority’s permanence? Ending immigration alone won’t do it, since race-mixing erodes the white proportion of the population just as effectively. Without such a mechanism, “white majoritarianism” is just empty talk, which can make people feel good – “Yes, there’s someone who understands us!” – but achieve nothing beyond temporarily slowing down the race-replacement rate.

    Unfortunately, discussing the effects of race-mixing is even more difficult – many times so – than discussing the effects of immigration. It’s just “hateful WN hysteria” to even bring it up, and people feel “dirty” talking about it. So my prediction is that the prickly Twinkie, who has demonstrated on numerous occasions how much he dislikes being challenged or contradicted, will either completely ignore this point or dismiss it in something like the aforementioned language.

    Of course, Twinkie is not wrong to point out that WNs generally disdain the idea of cooperation with other races. As they see it, short of vacating the country, there’s nothing that other races can really do for them. So it’s quite tough to be a non-white who sympathizes with WNs’ concerns and wants to be of assistance to them. Obviously there are not very many such non-whites, but the typical WN attitude towards those who exist is surely not helping to grow their number.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  73. @Rosie

    Fair, though past the age of 30 or so, I suspect majorities of all racial backgrounds are eager to avoid violence. The sizes of those majorities surely vary, but almost no one is her sixties wants blood on the streets.

  74. @Stan d Mute

    As Enoch Powell famously said, numbers are of the essence. A confident nation with a birthrate above replacement can assimilate small, steady numbers of foreigners. But it seems we’re way past the point of even trying to do that, let alone being able to.

    The purpose of tying the two terms together is more a pragmatic tactical one, not necessarily a philosophical one. Israel is the most obvious example of this working successfully–technically, Israel isn’t an ethnic state. But it functions quite a lot like one.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  75. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Schoolmarm hates the n-bomb!

    “Go check out UR–great comments!”

    “What? They throw the n-bomb around there. No thanks.”

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  76. @Audacious Epigone

    A 50% Asian child is white to you? I highly doubt that even half of white/asian mixes come out looking convincingly white (to say nothing of genetically being white). Desperation like this is just another signpost of how far down the road to racial destruction whites are.

    Still, just calling it desperate doesn’t mean it’s utterly futile. If that’s really the best deal that can be gotten, well, so be it. But let’s not kid ourselves about the implications, which are that a few generations down the track a 25% white, 25% asian, 50% black kid will be claimed to have a “vested interest” in the future of “white” kids. Then a few generations later perhaps the final destination will be the long-awaited racial shangri-la in which race truly “doesn’t matter.” I wouldn’t expect to find any white kids there though.

  77. @SunBakedSuburb

    Wow, that sounds terrible. It’s pathetic, too, because acting that way doesn’t impress non whites anyways. That just shows them how weak you are. They would respect you more if you were yourself.

    But to be honest, I don’t really think of that as assimilating into non-white culture… by assimilating I meant more like acting like wiggers, adopting their slang, etc.

    Anti white self-denouncement isn’t really assimilating in the browns’ direction, it just seems to be towards the Jewish/white liberal direction.

  78. Culturally Christian means to remember a boundless time before the sky god. Boundless time will be again.

    Culturally Christian as in Van Morrison singing about Pagan Streams or Wagner composing operas about Odin or Thomas Hardy musing about Pagan fertility ritual bonfires being turned into Guy Fawkes Day bonfires.

  79. @Audacious Epigone

    The impending severe economic downturn will have a lot of silver linings, won’t it?

    Accelerationist Epigone

    The economy is booming — so they say. I don’t think we have an economy at all; we have asset bubbles created by the Federal Reserve Bank. We don’t have capitalism; we have Central Banker Shysterism.

    They say the economy is booming, but it’s not booming enough to raise the federal funds rate to its normal level or return the Federal Reserve Bank’s balance sheet to its prior level.

    The economy isn’t booming enough to raise the federal funds rate to the normal level of 6 percent.

    The economy is booming so much that the yearly federal budget deficit will be close to one trillion dollars.

    In 1981 the federal funds rate was 20 percent.

    In 1983, that treasonous rat Ronald Reagan and the whores in the US Congress changed the retirement age for Social Security to screw over future generations and to make sure the plutocrats could screw over everybody and pauperize them at the same time.

    Trumpy the treasonous rat just took a meat cleaver to Medicare in his proposed budget — I wonder how long it’ll be before he proposes raising the eligibility age for Social Security to 75 years.

    Raising The Federal Funds Rate To 20 Percent — Like It Was In 1981 — Will Bring On All The Accelerationism You Bastards Could Ever Imagine.

    Happy Spring — We’re Almost At St. Patrick’s Day, The Official Start Of Spring.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  80. @Audacious Epigone

    “Deporting non-citizens may theoretically be possible with a severe economic downturn/dollar collapse, but deporting citizens of whatever ethnic/racial background is a total non-starter (and would almost certainly lead to largescale violence). ”

    Neither at this point is a realistic option, IMO. The US will collapse and violence will ensue.

    “The optimal outcome in my view is political dissolution of the US.”

    I just don’t see whites being allowed their own place in what’s left, at least not peacefully. An intrinsic part of a US minority’s identity is the belief that they are entitled by natural right access to whites’ productivity. Foreign POC are currently being conditioned to believe that prior to their arrival in the USA. Wherever whites go, minorities will insist on following.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  81. @Audacious Epigone

    My apologies. Please delete it if you’d like.

  82. Hate that’s the kind of convoluted nonsense one gets into on the issue of hate crimes. The violation is the act taken to violate my standing as a citizen.

    The motive may be hate, but hate is not a mechanism that should or can be effectively codified b y the law. This is one step c;loser in my view to moving towards making speech illegal.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  83. @Charles Pewitt

    Stock prices are increasing — that is not the same thing as a booming economy.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  84. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Deporting non-citizens may theoretically be possible

    LOL

  85. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    As an Asian man with white children

    white children

    TBD

  86. @J1234

    His congressional career grade from NumbersUSA is a perfect 100% on every single category the organization tracks. He is very much a Heritage American in upbringing, too.

  87. @MikeatMikedotMike

    I just don’t see whites being allowed their own place in what’s left

    Even if whites do manage to secure this colony, the international community will act with outrage – assuming the EU hasn’t been disbanded in favour of nationalist governments.

    But given how much these people hate us, they would have no problem nuking this white area.

    An intrinsic part of a US minority’s identity is the belief that they are entitled by natural right access to whites’ productivity. Foreign POC are currently being conditioned to believe that prior to their arrival in the USA. Wherever whites go, minorities will insist on following.

    Their invasion is easily defended against. Any group of people can be kept out, assuming you are willing to be ruthless… if the USA adopted a “shoot on sight” policy for illegal aliens, I bet fewer than 20 would be killed before they all got the picture.

    The problem will be from foreign invasion, not from some blacks and Mexicans begging to come in (I would hope that whites are sufficiently battle hardened at that point).

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Rosie
  88. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    The US is an empire united by nothing but economic expediency anymore.

    Bull shit. Steaming pile.

    I’m beginning to dislike you because of some of these dead ends you are pushing.

  89. Rosie says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    But given how much these people hate us, they would have no problem nuking this white area.

    I don’t know about nuking, but I do know that White politicians throughout the multicultural West would have little choice but to feign outrage. They’ve been telling us for decades that a place for Whites is a moral obscenity, so they could hardly acquiesce to that now. They would reveal themselves as ultracynical liars and manipulators.

  90. @SunBakedSuburb

    One plausible “survival mechanism” I’ve thought about is interracial marriage. How does a white man or woman ensure that his/her kids have a leg up? By providing their children with the POC shield.

    Relatedly, white millennials, particularly men, are the first American generation to really feel the sting of implicit affirmative action against them everywhere. It was an abstract thing for Xers, but there are lots of men in their late 20s and 30s who have discovered that their paths to career ascension are blocked.

    Polling, especially over the last five years, has shown 30-something right men taking a hard turn right and expressing more skepticism of SJWism than just about any other demographic. It’s a trend I plan on paying close attention to.

  91. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    One plaussible “survival mechanism” I’ve thought about is interracial marriage.

    Yeah!

    Kumbaya all around!

    Beige people be where it’s at.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  92. Talha says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I don’t know y’all, they’re pledging to hire equally anyone who’s qualified:

    I love the responses…LOL!

    Peace.

  93. @Audacious Epigone

    The purpose of tying the two terms together is more a pragmatic tactical one, not necessarily a philosophical one.

    I notice that you don’t address my point that Christianity is universalist (quite unlike Israel which you cite as having successfully conflating tribe/religion). Do we edit the Bible to make the JewGod Messiah say, “I am the way – but only for you white folks, the cannibalistic savages everywhere else are on their own.”

    Absent this, I fail to see how you can use Jesus to support the goal of protecting the white people of the world from being subsumed by the 4 billion Africans in 2100 and their billions of friends on the Indian subcontinent and Aboriginal Americans. It wouldn’t be the first example of religious hypocrisy to be sure, but nevertheless an argument that has zero chance of flying given the depths to which we’ve already sunk.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, RVBlake
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  94. @Audacious Epigone

    One plausible “survival mechanism” I’ve thought about is interracial marriage.

    Interracial marriage is perhaps one of the most disgusting and dangerous things that could happen. An impoverished and oppressed, yet pure, white race is infinitely desirable compared to a mixed brown mass.

    I actually think this is going to be prevented – by the POC themselves, not by the whites.

    I’ve noticed an increasing trend of asians mocking white-asian couples. Punjabi Indians regard these people as race-traitors. This seems to be a new thing. But their refusal to integrate into the white society is likely going to lead to a decrease in miscegenation. Furthermore, as these groups feel themselves gaining power, getting a white partner will be increasingly unattractive.

    Currently over 90% of whites marry other whites in the USA. Another chunk of the 10% marry Hispanics, who are often on the whiter side.

    I hypothesize that the mixed race couples are more often urban and cosmopolitan; they will have a lower fertility rate than pure couples.

    I share your concern, but I am cautiously optimistic that race mixing is not going to gain much ground. In fact, I predict it will lose ground.

  95. Rosie says:

    “I am the way – but only for you white folks, the cannibalistic savages everywhere else are on their own.”

    What does the promise of universal salvation have to do with the question of boundaries. I certainly believe my neighbor’s children are eligible for salvation, but I don’t see how that requires me to treat them as my own children. They are not. I have duties to my own children that I don’t have to any others. I am more obligated to put their interests and wellbeing first.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @RVBlake
  96. @Audacious Epigone

    Oh, yeah, and it beat the hell out of explicating, don’t it?

  97. @Audacious Epigone

    I have a family member that was kept out of a job in the late 1970’s due to AA. It’s even funnier, not really in the “haha” sense (at the time) than I’d like to explain, since that would give out some info. I don’t want to divulge. Anyway, AA is not something new, but, with a much greater number of non-white people now to wield this magic power, it’s got to be an even worse deal now.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    , @Truth
  98. @iffen

    I’m beginning to dislike you

    The HORROR!

    Oh my. I’ll bet that has him on the brink of tears..

  99. @silviosilver

    Caitlin Jenner is a woman by that logic

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  100. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    One positive: non whites hate whites so much that there is no possibility for whites to “assimilate” into the great brown mass.

    Ummm, I wouldn’t bet on that.  Here is one total wigger, ebonics, short fuse, no clue about consequences and everything:
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=upqFm_1547272467

  101. @Audacious Epigone

    High on meth again? When is a man a woman?

  102. @Audacious Epigone

    It was an abstract thing for Xers

    Abstract my ass! We were the first to have to suffer busing, before parents wised up and moved to the suburbs and exurbs. We were the first to run headlong into hard quotas that were later repealed in favor of soft quotas. The millennials got a kinder gentler version than we got due to backlash from the iron fisted tyranny of discrimination against us.

  103. @silviosilver

    An effective interest in white posterity to the extent that the society his children are part of is predominately white. I realize of course that this is on the way to being a historical counterfactual. It’s not so, yet, though.

  104. @EliteCommInc.

    Indeed. It is a result of virtually free money that needs somewhere to go, so it goes to what looks like the place for the best return. It’s indicative of little more than that.

  105. @iffen

    I’ll concede hyperbole, but on what other characteristic can the country be said to be united? The idea that “politics ends at the river’s edge” is risible. The American media relentlessly attacks and humiliates Trump while he’s dealing with foreign leaders. And domestically?

    Speaking of hyperbole, I do NOT think it hyperbolic to say that even an event like 9/11 today would barely unite the country for a week.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @216
  106. @iffen

    I wasn’t particularly clear there–I don’t mean to insinuate that for my own children. I have three and they are as straight out of Doggerland as both their parents are! I mean that for browbeaten normies relentlessly barraged by pop culture messaging, it’s a subconscious escape hatch of sorts.

    • Replies: @iffen
  107. @Stan d Mute

    Calvinism, maybe!

    Good point. Even if it is doable, I’m not the person to figure out how to pull it off. I just can’t avoid noticing that on every measure of ‘patriotism/nationalism’, (white) Christians in the US are more so than non-Christians are.

  108. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It creates a lot of challenges, in the present and in the future, though I don’t think it’s disgusting. That’s not the language I’d use in any case, but failing to pay life forward strikes me as the most tragic outcome of all.

    • Disagree: UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  109. @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s extended well beyond the professional world. There isn’t an aspect of existence it doesn’t touch today.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  110. @Audacious Epigone

    failing to pay life forward strikes me as the most tragic outcome of all.

    I think failing to move the (white) racial interests forward is tragic. White genes are special, and something to be cherished. People have desired them for millennia, and continue to do so (hatred is just another form of obsession). To flippantly throw that value away by procreating with a non-white is shameful.

    A mixed-race offspring will be soulless, rootless, culture-less, nation-less, and homeless. The baby will be better than the worst partner, and worse than the best partner. A perfect weapon to be used against whites in the future. The children often try to act as “thug” and non-white as possible, to prove their non whiteness.

    I understand this is harsh, but we live in (soon to be) harsh times. I also believe that it is rare for a black man to fully love a white woman – most of the time they have a nasty look in their eye as they parade them about – take that, whitey. I only see true love when it’s a trashy, beaten down white woman with a similar black man.

    It’s better to not have kids than to have kids with an invader.

    • Replies: @216
  111. Twinkie says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Twinkles

    Can you stop being a child and address me by my chosen nom de internet?

    The problem is in the numbers.

    The issue of assimilation is both one of numbers AND quality. If you lived in a town of 20,000 people, which of these two groups do you think would be less disruptive, 200 Somalis or 1,000 Japanese immigrants?

    Obola a case in point, he was, to use your confection, an Oreo but later abandoned this and turned against us when he saw the winds of opportunity shifting.

    I am assuming you mean Obama when you write Obola. His case is not unique or strange. Mixed people with partial black ancestry usually identify as blacks in the United States. That is not the case with those with partial Asian ancestry (meaning many, perhaps even most American-born white-Asian mixes tend to identify as whites). Those with partial Hispanic ancestry tend to be in between.

    The problem is that we are turning out many more Obolas now than Twinkles.

    I don’t disagree. We have much too high levels of immigration and we are importing the wrong kinds of immigrants… which is why I am an immigration-restrictionist.

    Where your parents came here to escape the shitshow back home

    That is a moronic (and insulting) assumption on your part. My parents did not come to the U.S. to “escape the shitshow back home.” My family came to the U.S. because the government of my birth country sent my father to be educated in the U.S. and subsequently stationed him here. When his tour of duty was over, he and my mother went back (the quality of life in my birth country in many ways is better than many areas of the United States today, and my parents never entertained the idea of emigration).

    I stayed to be educated in the United States also and eventually chose to stay, because I fell in love with this country and with its people. See my reply to AE below.

    had you been raised in a majority population of East Asians you could easily have gone full bore Chinese supremacist

    I was raised in East Asia until my early teens and I did go back for a few years to fulfill some obligations, but it would have been odd for me to have become a “Chinese supremacist” since I am not Chinese.

    and dedicated your life to the cause, hating the Other to which you do not belong

    East Asians typically have way too much living together with and intermarrying whites to be hating the latter. Among the major ethno-racial groups in the U.S., Asians are the most likely to live in neighborhoods with people outside their own groups and are the most likely to intermarry with whites.

    Genetic distance appears to play a significant role alongside the population numbers.

    No, it’s more likely compatible culture + population numbers. Syrian Muslims are far closer genetically to Europeans than Korean Evangelicals are, but the latter are far more assimilating in the U.S. than the former.

    The subject of this thread, conflating white/Christian, paints our internal problem as the Christian identity is universalist and unable to acknowledge the reality we face. It assumes that the problem can be remedied if we just proselytize the gospels to the Somali or Semitic or Hindu hordes, ignoring the failure to assimilate the negroes or mestizos who are already Christians.

    That’s a straw man, because, in real life, Somalis and Hindus aren’t going to convert in large numbers to Christianity (though Christian Indians, I suspect, assimilate better than Hindu Indians do). Religion is a big part of culture, and culture – along with numbers – plays a large role in whether peoples are compatible or not.

    On a related note, a while back on Steve Sailer’s blog, I participated in an argument about whether or not Latin American Mestizos or East Asians were more compatible with Europeans. Those who argued for the Mestizos emphasized ancestry and genetics – that they were partially European and were therefore more likely to resemble Europeans in culture and behavioral patterns. I argued for East Asians, because, although East Asians typically share only a miniscule amount of ancestry with Europeans, they have a 10,000-year history of co-evolution on the Eurasian continent and underwent development under similar civilizational environments (high density farming, urbanization, trade, state formation, literacy, etc.) – a type of convergent evolution. Meanwhile, the European roots in Latin America are only a few hundred years deep and Mestizos have ancestral components that are extremely alien to literate civilizations (e.g. human sacrifices of pre-Columbian America).

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  112. Twinkie says:
    @Truth

    I think you misunderstand the Big Twink there, Rabbi; If nothing else, he has been quite consistent on having views on immigration slightly to the left of Attila the Hun. He has said on numerous occasions that he has no qualms against slaming the “in” door on all, including his own people, the “fancy Asians.”

    1. Correct… though I do not consider “fancy Asians” “my own people.” My people are Americans, period. If I were in another country and the locals started blowing up foreign embassies, I am not going to rush around rescuing “fancy Asians” – I am going to be helping my fellow Americans escape to safety, and sacrifice my own life if necessary to do so.

    2. It’s sad that some commenters here have worse reading comprehension than you do. But hooray for you, I suppose.

  113. Twinkie says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    you have no problem insinuating that I (and anyone who doesn’t celebrate reckless immigration, apparently) am a “WN type.” LOL – Just speak plainly and call me a nigger next time.

    By “WN type” – or, more accurately, “a militant WN-type,” I mean people who want a white ethno-state in the U.S. and advocate for forcible expulsion of nonwhite citizens. It’s a descriptive term, not a derisive one (though I think the moral judgment on that kind of belief is likely to be highly negative among most civilized peoples for obvious reasons).

    I would not call you or anyone a nigger. I don’t have a high regard for the black population as a whole to be mild about it, but I have known black people of good will (and even heroic patriots) and would never treat them like they are less than human. Furthermore, I want them to become productive people with fulfilled lives in this country, because they are my fellow Americans and our fates are tied, like it or not. Even at the pure level of pragmatism, it’s incumbent upon the country at large to solve “the black problem” as such, because black problems, sooner or later, spill into non-black areas.

  114. Twinkie says:
    @Liberty Mike

    What differentiates inclusive, implicit white majoritarianism from white nationalism?

    Others would differ, perhaps, but I think the biggest difference would be that, with the latter, you get either a pure white ethno-state (which in practice means forcible expulsion of nonwhite citizens and likely appalling violence) or strict stratification based on race (genetic testing these days, I guess, though uneducated types seem to be fine with eye ball-phenotype similarity).

    What I call an “inclusive, implicit white majoritarianism” would accept behavioral/cultural commonalty and allow for de jure civic equality while the cultural and political norms would be white (or “Anglo-American” more accurately). In essence, it expands the definition of “white” in the sociological sense. There is some evidence that this is happening already. There have been several articles in mainstream outlets, indeed, in which left-leaning demographers and sociologists have warned their fellow leftists about the unwarranted assumptions of demographically inevitably supremacy of nonwhites in America (saying that the definition of white will likely evolve, and with it political patterns).

    Even 20+ years ago, the New York Times had an article cautioning people that the brown melting pot was not happening: https://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/16/magazine/the-beige-and-the-black.html

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  115. Twinkie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    As an Asian man with white children, you have a vested interest in the protecting the future for white children. It’s self-defeating to push you away.

    True, yes. But my pro-white attitude as such predates my having biologically half-white children.

    In the first place, when I came to the U.S., I really fell in love with this country. This was Reagan’s “Morning again in America” period with all that entailed. I remember learning, vey haltingly, the Pledge of Allegiance the first day of my school in a small town America (and I wasn’t even a citizen or an immigrant at the time). Perhaps the fact that I wasn’t some sort of a political refugee or an economic migrant helped. But what appealed to me the most about this country was that I felt like I was the architect of my own destiny here (back in East Asia, I felt as though my future – though conventionally a very good one – was all mapped out for me, and I fell somewhat imprisoned).

    But you don’t really fall in love with something as large and abstract as a country or even an idea. You really fall in love with people. And I did fall in love hard with Americans. What clinched the deal, so to speak, was falling in love with my wife and her family who loved me back every bit as much as I loved them. Her people adopted me as their own and treated me as one of their sons.

    I still carry with me the note that my wife’s grandparents gave me at our wedding. It was an incredibly kind, generous, and affectionate one. It said that after my wife brought me home to visit them the first time, they knew right away that I was a good, honorable, young Christian gentleman and that, since then, they had hoped their granddaughter would marry me. It said that they were very happy that their wish had come true.

    All my young life, my parents – who were “old time” East Asians – advised against me becoming an American. They told me that white Americans might feel sorry toward blacks, but that they would always see me, an Asian, as an alien and a foreigner and that I would always be a second-class citizen in America. I remember my father telling me, “Why would you want to play a supporting character in America? You can be the main star back home.”

    But here he was, my grandfather-in-law. A World War II war hero who never finished college, because he went to war for his country. Who survived numerous battles and was decorated just as many times. A scion of the very white rural Midwest who, despite working his way up from a paper boy (after the war) to senior vice president of a large regional newspaper and media company, still fixed his own roof until his mid-80’s. Here he was, who was supposed to be – by today’s mainstream imagination – some sort of an oppressive, evil patriarchal racist, no such thing, but a kind, generous, and loving Christian gentleman who accepted this foreign boy his granddaughter brought home as dear one of his own.

    How could I not love deeply someone like that? How could I not shed blood to defend his – and now my own – country? How could I not adore the people and society that produced such a fine human being?

    All this predated my having this man’s great grandchildren.

    Oh, and I did send a note of my own to my father after I was married (he did not come to the wedding as he disapproved). My note was simply, “Father, you were wrong” (about me not being accepted as an American).

    Eventually, we reconciled and he came to adore my wife a great deal (she’s very dutiful and my mother told me once that my father confided to her that my wife was a better daughter-in-law than most young women of his country these days).

    So, you can probably imagine my reaction when random strangers on the internet tell me that I must be harboring some sort of a secret hatred toward whites, because I am a nonwhite. Ridiculous doesn’t even begin to capture it. Then again, as my wife says, I should stop arguing with morons on the internet.

  116. It will be a cool idea to have a white identitarian state where every white people can bring 2 or 3 of their favorite cvlivilized house negros from this forum along , sort of a modified chain migration to a white ethnostate, so if every white person settler in that majoritarian white ethonostate there brings along 2 or 3 house negros and their dependents ,if will be a fine and dandy party lol.

  117. So many concern trolls and people with forked silver tongues in this forum lol.

  118. Wormtongues, wormtongues everywhere, even here lol.

  119. @Twinkie

    Can you stop being a child and address me by my chosen nom de internet?

    No. Next question?

    If you lived in a town of 20,000 people, which of these two groups do you think would be less disruptive, 200 Somalis or 1,000 Japanese immigrants?

    Neither, they’ll each be disruptive in their own way. The Somali violent crime wouldn’t effect me personally as much as the Japanese cultural habits just based on where our paths would cross.

    That is a moronic (and insulting) assumption on your part.

    You must have awfully thin yellow skin there Twinkles, to be insulted by the mere words of a pseudonymous stranger on the internet. Since you’ve not sent me your complete autobiography, my assumption was based on the overwhelming majority of immigrants who have invaded my nation. Hardly moronic. Suck it up boy, if you wanna play with us legacy Americans you’ll have to toughen up a bit.

    I am not Chinese.

    Hmph, well you sure look Chinese to me. You eat with chopsticks and have squinty eyes don’t you?

    East Asians typically have way too much living together with and intermarrying

    Sounds like you’re a conquistador expounding on how noble you are for turning mesoamerican aborigines into mestizos. Many would call that genocide.

    Syrian Muslims are far closer genetically to Europeans than Korean Evangelicals are, but the latter are far more assimilating in the U.S. than the former.

    I wrote “significant role” not “sole factor” there for a reason Twinkles. Maybe if your vision was better your comprehension would improve. Maybe if you visit some day I’ll introduce you to some of our many Syrian Christians here in Detriot who have assimilated to the point of indistinguishability. Like our Persian Christians mentioned in an earlier comment, our Chaldeans in second and third generation are undetectable in a crowd of mixed Northern and Southern Europeans. Unlike their colonizing cousins praying to JewGod v3.0, our v2.0 Chaldeans came in smaller numbers and didn’t all stay in Dearborn.

    I argued for East Asians, because … Mestizos have ancestral components that are extremely alien to literate civilizations (e.g. human sacrifices of pre-Columbian America).

    Agree with you there, but you forget about the cannibalism in addition to the human religious sacrifices. I kinda draw the line on immigration from populations that have a history of cannibalism within the past few millennia. It’s one thing if the folks back home are still crapping in the streets, it’s a whole ‘nother thing if grandma passes down recipes for human liver entrees.

    • Replies: @Gummy bear
    , @Twinkie
    , @Truth
  120. @Stan d Mute

    Don’t knock Somalilanders, they are pretty cool.

  121. Twinkie says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Neither, they’ll each be disruptive in their own way.

    Evasion. For a vast majority of people, the correct answer is obvious.

    my assumption

    Don’t assume. You make/made an ass of yourself.

    Suck it up boy, if you wanna play with us legacy Americans you’ll have to toughen up a bit.

    Very Internet-tough of you.

    I’m going to listen to my wife now. Goodbye.

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
  122. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I share your concern, but I am cautiously optimistic that race mixing is not going to gain much ground. In fact, I predict it will lose ground.

    I wish you were right, but I fear you are hopelessly wrong. Race-mixing is ascendant. As a proportion of all births to white mothers, race-mixing has increased from about 1% in 1970 to almost 20% today. As the proportion of non-whites grows larger – a proportion increased by the addition of the mixed race offspring of mixed race couplings – so does the pool of potential candidates for procreation for whites. (Eg, Twinkie’s offspring are more likely to breed with whites than some FOB asians, both for aesthetic and cultural reasons.) Couple this with relentless propaganda that insists race-mixing is laudable, we must expect the rate of race-mixing to increase. There is, in fact, nothing preventing the rate of mixing from increasing all the way to 100% – signaling the extinction of white people.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @216
    , @Audacious Epigone
  123. @Rosie

    What does the promise of universal salvation have to do with the question of boundaries.

    Christians seem extremely susceptible to “we’re all God’s children” flapdoodle. The impact of this is most evident in their extreme reluctance to accept the reality of genetic racial differences. Of course, secular people also struggle with this, but they’re generally more accustomed to accepting the scientific verdict as it relates to human beings than Christians are. Were it not for relentless racial egalitarian propaganda, my guess is Christians would be the great holdouts in denying racial differences.

  124. @Gummy bear

    Caitlin Jenner is a woman by that logic

    Well I have to say, I wish having a race-change was as “simple” as having a sex-change. It wouldn’t really change anything fundamentally, of course, but it would make racial dispossession a bit easier on the eye, as well as being a compassionate gesture towards those who would like to “be” white but who, for obvious reasons, can’t.

  125. @Twinkie

    So, you can probably imagine my reaction when random strangers on the internet tell me that I must be harboring some sort of a secret hatred toward whites, because I am a nonwhite.

    The problem is, you’re going to love them to death. Firstly, if every white woman followed your wife’s example, whites would cease to exist – that’s just straightforward biological reality, which cares nothing about our feelings or wishes. Secondly, you refuse to give whites the living space (eg an ‘ethnostate’, or at least official, exclusive residential segregation) they need for long-term survival, without which every white woman will eventually at some (admittedly distant) point follow your wife’s example.

    You know, I spent most of my life loathing and fearing nazis. I dare say I was every bit the equal of the most fanatical jewish activist when it came to denouncing anything so much as hinting at nazism. But from today’s vantage point, I must say I’m in awe of their firmness of resolve, their ability to listen to a tear-jerker like Twinkles’ here and tell him, sorry pal, but we’re interested in genes, not behavior, bye. That’s the sort of resolve that will be needed if whites are to have any hope of a long-term future. They’re a million miles from it today, but who knows? “Never say never” and all that.

    Twinkles, if my words here are infuriating to you, I’m sincerely sorry for that. I remember when I, about a dozen years ago, was in the closing stages of wrapping of my mind around race and all its implications. Some of what I had to read, some of it directed to me personally, upset me so much I would have choked to death the guy who wrote it had he been standing next to me, I’m sure of it. Hell, even today, there’s about five, six people I remember whose lights I’d still punch out just for the ‘closure.’ The thing is, it’s quite hard to put certain things delicately and congenially, and the effort is usually unappreciated anyway. It’s more expedient to just get to the point, even at the cost of wounding and offending people who truly don’t deserve it.

  126. RVBlake says:
    @Rosie

    Your natural, biological imperative to look after your own children first flies in the face of Jesus’ alleged injunction to “love your neighbor as yourself,” a commandment he reputedly considered second only to his equally unrealistic “love God with all your heart, soul, and mind.”

    • Replies: @Rosie
  127. Rosie says:
    @silviosilver

    Christians seem extremely susceptible to “we’re all God’s children” flapdoodle.

    That wouldn’t matter if there were no such flapdoodle. Here again is the tendency to blame people for deferring to elites rather than blame the elites for misleading the people.

    Were it not for relentless racial egalitarian propaganda, my guess is Christians would be the great holdouts in denying racial differences.

    I very much doubt it. Atheists cling tenaciously to de facto equality precisely because they have no other basis on which to affirm others’ dignity and humanity. Christian have no need of racial egalitarianism.

  128. Rosie says:
    @RVBlake

    Your natural, biological imperative to look after your own children first flies in the face of Jesus’ alleged injunction to “love your neighbor as yourself,” a commandment he reputedly considered second only to his equally unrealistic “love God with all your heart, soul, and mind.”

    Indeed. Christ’s injunction is unrealistic, and therein lies the key to understanding the Christian Gospel. Sin is woven into the very fabric of life, which is precisely why we need a Redeemer.

    • Replies: @Talha
  129. Rosie says:
    @silviosilver

    The problem is, you’re going to love them to death. Firstly, if every white woman followed your wife’s example, whites would cease to exist – that’s just straightforward biological reality, which cares nothing about our feelings or wishes. Secondly, you refuse to give whites the living space (eg an ‘ethnostate’, or at least official, exclusive residential segregation) they need for long-term survival, without which every white woman will eventually at some (admittedly distant) point follow your wife’s example.

    Quite right, except that women are no more likely to outmarry than White men.

    Twinkles, if my words here are infuriating to you, I’m sincerely sorry for that.

    Me too. I take no pleasure in these harsh realities.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Truth
  130. kikz says:
    @216

    When SJWs say “representation matters”, no one seems to question why this doesn’t include white conservatives.

    peruse the ethnic/religious stack of SCOTUS…can you guess what’s missing?

  131. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Although different rules for me than thee has a long history, I can’t say that I am a big fan. It is one of the reasons we are in the shape that we are. The primacy of the individual in making a choice of marriage partner is a well-established norm in our culture and I am not inclined to try and change it. Anyway, one very quickly gets in with the creepy anti-miscegenation crowd. That said, I think that some people are so confounded by the impossible nature of finding a “solution” to the RP that they try to connect and do their part by crossing the color line. The same mentality had by Miss America contenders pushing for “World Peace.”

    Pessimism about the future of liberal democracy is warranted; however, joining the fire-eaters and pushing for secession is a bridge too far. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now.

    We can’t give up the dream.

    Do not go gentle into that good night
    Dylan Thomas, 1914 – 1953

    Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
    Because their words had forked no lightning they
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
    Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
    And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  132. @Rosie

    Quite right, except that women are no more likely to outmarry than White men.

    I only emphasize women because they have a harder time ‘making up’ for mixing, since there is an obvious limit to how many children they can have in a lifetime. If they have a couple of mixed race kids, they’re going to have a hard time making up for it with enough white kids. Whereas a man who realizes his error can very easily make up for it. So white women’s behavior is more likely to reduce the white total fertility rate than white men’s behavior. But in terms of adding to the stock of non-whites, both have the same effect.

    Also, I do not use the term ‘outmarry’ since it ignore the significant and growing number of births which occur out-of-wedlock (and is particularly pronounced among the lower economic tier, where most mixing takes place).

    • Replies: @Truth
  133. @iffen

    Although different rules for me than thee has a long history, I can’t say that I am a big fan. It is one of the reasons we are in the shape that we are.

    That sounds like you finally acknowledging the outsized Jewish role in bringing things to this impasse, lol.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  134. RVBlake says:
    @Rosie

    The vast number of atheists I have encountered have been online , have espoused egalitarian principles, and to a man they have been liberals. It’s their Leftism that demands their fealty to the concept of equality. Disbelief in a supernatural, creative entity in no way is an impediment to humanitarian ideals. To the contrary, with the “belief” that this is all there is, with no post-death reward, requires that one work for our material betterment, with due regard to biological differences.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  135. @Rosie

    Atheists cling tenaciously to de facto equality precisely because they have no other basis on which to affirm others’ dignity and humanity.

    I think you are right about this, but that they’re so successfully able to do so is because racial reality is so strenuously denied by those clearly in a position to know better. If racial reality were widely acknowledged, then large numbers of them would resolve the tension between what they wish were true and what science tells them is true in favor of the latter.

    Christian have no need of racial egalitarianism.

    Christians in the 19th century had little difficulty accepting racial reality because they had no preconceived notions about the question. They were able to neatly slot emerging racial thought beside their preexisting Christian convictions and content themselves that God made things thus.

    Today’s Christians’ heads’ are crammed chock-full of racial egalitarianism, and most of them have internalized this as a physical manifestation of man’s spiritual equality before God. So I think they will have a tremendously difficult time surrendering this belief.

    Think about it, of the Christians who reject evolution, how many of them do it because they actually understand anything about evolution? Very few, I’d say. Most of them reject it simply because they hate what it implies about human beings, just as they they did way before there was anything called ‘intelligent design.’ You’ll see a very similar resistance when it comes to giving up racial equality.

  136. 216 says:
    @silviosilver

    about 1% in 1970 to almost 20% today.

    Source?

    If only 10% of the marriages of white are mixed, and white women less likely to marry out than men (WMAF), then there is a large number of illegitimate BMWF or HMWF?

    The most propagandized pairing isn’t that common, and they barely even attempt to promote its even rarer reverse.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  137. @Audacious Epigone

    The US is an empire united by nothing but economic expediency anymore.

    The only thing holding the American Empire together is the Federal Reserve Bank.

    Financialization and Globalization and anti-White Multiculturalism precedes debt defaults and then secessionism.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  138. Source?

    My own calculations based on birth data in a Centres for Disease Control database, which is customizable across a wide range of variables, including race of mother and race of father, and separates non-hispanic whites from hispanics. It has been a few years since I’ve used this database, so I will have to search for a link. I will post it when I find it.

    If only 10% of the marriages of white are mixed, and white women less likely to marry out than men (WMAF), then there is a large number of illegitimate BMWF or HMWF?

    The most propagandized pairing isn’t that common, and they barely even attempt to promote its even rarer reverse.

    On reflection, I think the miscegenation rate I calculated nationwide was about 15%, and in the region of 20-25% for the most populous counties. I created a spreadsheet with this data for each year dating back to 1990, which I lost when my HD unexpectedly died. (None of this changes the point of fundamental importance I made, which is that the miscegenation rate is growing and can be expected to continue growing.)

    I will have to check, but I do recall seeing statistics that illegitimacy is substantially higher among lower classes, which I was relieved to find is where the bulk of BMWF mixing occurs.

  139. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Certain sentiments are not helpful to publicly air at all. This is one of them.

    The unspoken assumption in your argument is honor killings.

    Control of female sexuality is nearly verboten in our societies. And barring technological changes it probably isn’t coming back.

    Better off to just shame male thirst and discourage the most common pairing for WM, just show people r/Hapa.

    • Replies: @Talha
  140. 216 says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I think a couple months ago there was a news item about how a Chinese Admiral boasted that the PLA would be able to sink two USN Carriers, and thus take Taiwan.

    If Harris or a similarly worse Dem is installed in 2020, and this war happens, I will be privately celebrating. We’re talking at a minimum 10,000 fatalities in the blink of an eye (More than Iraq, Afghanistan and 9/11 combined).

    A Harris Admin means drone strikes on US soil to enforce a gun ban, and whatever else they have planned for us.

  141. @216

    Well, I came upon this database, https://wonder.cdc.gov/natality.html Unfortunately, the CDC has radically redesigned it compared to the old one (which I now recall was called vitalstatsonline). The new database apparently does not allow for the creation of crosstabs to paternal race, which makes it is useless for the calculation of miscegenation rates. In correspondence with a colleague, I learned that the bulky zip files that the data is also offered in require special statistics software to access. I am only in the beginner stages of learning R (if this data even works with it), so it will take me some time to learn whether miscegenation rates are still calculable from this data.

    Apologies to iffen if he was too ‘creeped out’ by this discussion.

  142. Sparkon says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Relatedly, white millennials, particularly men, are the first American generation to really feel the sting of implicit affirmative action against them everywhere.

    Well, not really, depending on how your vague term “really feel the sting” is defined.

    Affirmative action was signed into law by presidents Kennedy (E.O. 10925) in 1961, Johnson’s 1964 Civil Rights Law and (E.O. 11246) in 1965, respectively. In 1967, gender was added to the list. Thus, it was the much reviled Baby Boomers who’ve had to deal with this nonsense of employers (and universities) playing favorites our entire working lives

    Several different studies investigated the effect of affirmative action on women. Kurtulus (2012) in her review of affirmative action and the occupational advancement of minorities and women during 1973-2003 showed that the effect of affirmative action on advancing black, Hispanic, and white women into management, professional, and technical occupations occurred primarily during the 1970s and early 1980s.

    Divide and conquer. Your help is appreciated…somewhere.

  143. @Twinkie

    I want them to become productive people with fulfilled lives in this country, because they are my fellow Americans and our fates are tied, like it or not.

    Unless and until we un-tie them.  The Czechs and Slovaks have gone their separate ways, and they are far more like each other than Whites are to “African-Americans”.  The average Af-Am is at least a $7700/yr burden on the rest of the populace, and it is only going to get worse as automation eliminates more and more low-skilled jobs.  Africa is where they need to be, because the low average IQ means their countries will not be able to maintain such automation so there will always be jobs to do.

    Even at the pure level of pragmatism, it’s incumbent upon the country at large to solve “the black problem” as such

    You presume that Blacks can be “fixed”.  You are wrong; they are not “broken”, they are evolved for a radically different physical and social environment (just one more inconvenient truth about human biological diversity).  If there’s a “solution” to Africans in our environment, it’s to blend out the African genes with White genes until the physical and behavioral differences are sufficiently diminished to make them compatible.  However, that would mean they wouldn’t be meaningfully Black any more.  It would also take at least 4-5 generations, which is time we don’t have.

    Unless we change course radically, the US is going to collapse in the next couple of decades.  When that happens, the EBT cards will cease to work and the urban cesspits will go up in flames.  By then it will be too late for recolonization to Africa; White America will be in a fight to the death against ravaging mobs of looters, and there is really only one outcome for Af-Ams whether Whites win or lose.  The low-IQ mobs cannot run the systems which sustain their lives even if they take them over, so they are dead either way.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Audacious Epigone
  144. @silviosilver

    The problem is, you’re going to love them to death. Firstly, if every white woman followed your wife’s example, whites would cease to exist – that’s just straightforward biological reality, which cares nothing about our feelings or wishes.

    Throwing out a white pill here, and at risk of IKAGO, but I am distantly acquainted with a half-Filipino, half-hillbilly lady.  From the pics I’ve seen she looks American, period.  Writes and acts like everyone else.  She WAS raised among Whites, and I think that’s the important part; if you have the genes for civilization, what seems to matter a lot is which civilization you pick up.

    (At least, to a point.  It also matters what the selection pressures were in your ancestral civilization.  Dot-Indians have been bred for thousands of years to see someone’s birth circumstances as determined by karma, and are thus not something that “just happened” but what they deserve.  This has probably bred empathy out of them, and the caste system has bred clannishness in.  This goes a long way to explain the friction that occurs when they come up against Whites.  I’d argue that Indians are incompatible with Whites and should be encouraged to go rejoin their own.)

    It’s more expedient to just get to the point, even at the cost of wounding and offending people who truly don’t deserve it.

    Quoted for truth.  We cannot afford to pussyfoot around salient, immutable truths, because it allows some people to believe that they might go away.  It’s far better to face them than to suffer the consequences of ignoring them just to learn the hard way.

    • Replies: @Truth
  145. @Rosie

    Atheists cling tenaciously to de facto equality precisely because they have no other basis on which to affirm others’ dignity and humanity.

    You obviously don’t know enough atheists.  If you believe that genes are the primary factor in human nature, and you also believe that genes differ substantially between different populations (something you can see with your own two eyes), there’s no problem understanding that equality is a myth.  Africans produce a lot of good basketball players but zero top-flight mathematicians, and there’s literally nobody to blame for it because it was no human’s action behind it, conscious or unconscious.

  146. @Twinkie

    You’re a very fortunate man, Mr. Twinkie. I admire you.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  147. @RVBlake

    What you’re describing is blank-slatism.  This is not a position you can hold if you know much about biology, especially genetic disorders.  Lysenko and the Soviet Man were both abject failures, and while it may be in the interest of a certain (((tribe))) to have )))other people((( double down on those failures, it’s not something you are going to do unless you are ignorant of the events of the 20th century.  (Is it any wonder that Common Core is so hideously awful?)

    One of the tenets of materialism is that our genes are one of our limiting factors.  We all vary in our genes, so we have different limits.  For instance, I will bet that not one African-in-America born in Detoilet so far in this century will ever achieve my level of learning in calculus, and that is due to a genetic inability to sit quietly and learn to manipulate symbols in what amounts to a complex and precise language.  The materialist explanation of genetics causing high time preference also accounts for the high criminality of that same group.

    You cannot “cure” these things.  When a kid says “I cain’t do dis, Mr. Jackson. I black” he is telling you the truth.  Insisting otherwise just, to use a metaphor, wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Rosie
  148. Truth says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Relatedly, white millennials, particularly men, are the first American generation to really feel the sting of implicit affirmative action against them everywhere

    {Cough…cough…}

  149. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    LOL

    Hell, I was kept out of a job due to NA in 2013!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  150. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    I would not call you or anyone a nigger. I don’t have a high regard for the black population as a whole to be mild about it, but I have known black people of good will (and even heroic patriots) and would never treat them like they are less than human.

    Your largesse is worthy of honors.

  151. 216 says:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-13/inflation-chart-explains-everything

    This is interesting, the decline in public transport relative to inflation hasn’t been put on these charts before. To what cause I am not aware.

    That TVs continue to decline is also interesting, one would expect this to bottom out eventually. Furniture has stalled out in its decline.

    College textbooks have stalled out in cost disease, but not to tuition itself. A leading indicator?

    The rise in car insurance cost may push self-driving cars faster than we thought. Insurance is also increasingly going to automate itself.

  152. Talha says:
    @Twinkie

    But you don’t really fall in love with something as large and abstract as a country or even an idea. You really fall in love with people. And I did fall in love hard with Americans.

    That was a great observation. And I’d say, you tend you get in with a group of them more than others, especially in such a big country. Maybe in a small place like Tunisia or Monaco or Latvia, but not in a country as big as this.

    My family and I moved to the MidWest and we like it more than SoCal where I grew up. People here are more into families, more traditional. I wouldn’t move back unless I had to (despite the nutty weather we get here).

    Peace.

  153. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    Hey Bro, I worked in marketing for a spell, one of the 9 industries I have made my modest living in over the course of my career.

    They say that changing the name of your product once it is established is a bad idea, and I understand this, but I don’t think “Twinkie” quite captures your essence anymore having read this heart-felt and emotional piece. I have an excellent, and quite personally descriptive moniker you can use from here on out if you would like…

    “Norman Locklell”

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  154. Truth says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Suck it up boy, if you wanna play with us legacy Americans you’ll have to toughen up a bit.

    I have to go with Big Stanley on this one, Norm..er…Twinx…

    Even though I dislike you ever-so-slightly less.

    Just kidding, I hope both you you have lovely and blessed lives.

  155. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    You do realize this logic can be used to justify a boatload of things including homosexuality and bunch of other stuff…not my religion, just saying.

    I find your comments interesting on this subject; is there any church body out there that currently agrees with your views? Or will a split have to occur. That shouldn’t be a problem, Protestant churches break off over random stuff all the time. I’m just wondering if there is any critical mass within the Christian body for this – like a church exclusively for Whites or something. To my knowledge, even some Whites attend some of the bigger majority-Black congregations.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  156. Truth says:
    @silviosilver

    Twinkles, if my words here are infuriating to you, I’m sincerely sorry for that.

    Arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhh!

    Dude you ruined it. You were going so strong, shamelessly protecting the white race and all, then you punked out at the end.

    It’s over.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  157. Truth says:
    @Rosie

    Christian have no need of racial egalitarianism.

    I read the KJV and the NIV Bibles, which one did you read?

  158. @silviosilver

    It was Christian zeal that led to the massive creation of mestizos in the Americas. Spain and Portugal just wanted to create as many Christians as possible. To be fair, they also had the caste system and all were subject to the King’s authority (no democracy). So we can say that the race mixing Latins still had more sense than we do today.

  159. Truth says:
    @Rosie

    Quite right, except that women are no more likely to outmarry than White men.

    And actually, much less, per numbers anyway.

  160. @silviosilver

    It’s sad that most Christians haven’t really considered the race question.

    We are equal BEFORE GOD. God will judge us all to the same standard. However, God didn’t create every human to be equal on earth. We can all be good Christians, while still recognizing that He didn’t make us the same. You could even say that we can recognize our diversity as humans.

    You love your brother, even though there are differences. Similarly, I have no problem with my African Christian, or Korean Christian, or Arab Christian brothers – but all are very different from each other. Cramming such different, and beautifully diverse humans all together, and saying we are the exact same, is an affront to God’s design on the planet.

    • Agree: Rosie, Audacious Epigone
  161. @Truth

    Just call him twink

    • Replies: @Kaiju
  162. Truth says:
    @silviosilver

    Whereas a man who realizes his error can very easily make up for it

    So let me ask you what you feel is preferable here, in your opinion anyway:

    A Caucazoid knocks up a Serena or a Maria-Lucia or a A’idah (we will dispense with a the possibility, just for this example, of a white man knocking up a Qui-Li because that is what you all fantasize about anyway).

    Should he:

    A. Leave the child right away, move, change his name, and SS#, have no contact with the young bastard or bastardette and withhold any sort of love or resources, then start to court an alabaster-skinned young lady more his equal.

    OR

    B. Devote his time, energy and resources to making little Quanshaki, Julio-Luis or Abdul the best young man he can, for 21 years, get him to utilize all of his AA options, put him in Boy Scouts and teach him to fly fish and all that, and THEN leave the foutunate lass for a white woman?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @silviosilver
  163. Truth says:
    @silviosilver

    Think about it, of the Christians who reject evolution, how many of them do it because they actually understand anything about evolution?

    So was your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great Grandmother an orangutan?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  164. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Throwing out a white pill here, and at risk of IKAGO, but I am distantly acquainted with a half-Filipino, half-hillbilly lady. From the pics I’ve seen she looks American, period. Writes and acts like everyone else.

    LMAO!

    Well imagine that.

  165. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    I would not call you or anyone a nigger.

    Tell the truth though, Twinx; it did feel kinda-good having an excuse to write it on a public forum though…

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  166. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    For instance, I will bet that not one African-in-America born in Detoilet so far in this century will ever achieve my level of learning in calculus,

    Took me 38 seconds. Double or nothing?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Walton

    http://math.mit.edu/~notlaw/CV4.pdf

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  167. Rosie says:
    @Truth

    A. Leave the child right away, move, change his name, and SS#, have no contact with the young bastard or bastardette and withhold any sort of love or resources, then start to court an alabaster-skinned young lady more his equal.

    Aside from your use of the term “bastard,” which I take very personally, your point is well-taken. Fathers are not mere sperm donors, snd when they invest paternal resources jn non-White children, their conduct is every bit as detrimental to the race as miscegenation among White women.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  168. Talha says:
    @Mr. Rational

    they are evolved for a radically different physical and social environment

    Well, that’s kind of why they were brought here in the first place isn’t it? They didn’t just magically end up here like a beached whale. White people weren’t about to pick their own cotton and the hard manual labor the Spanish tried to get out of the natives often ended up killing them.

    It seems like people bought a cart horse a while back for the purpose of a cart horse and now everyone is sitting around looking at each other why the horse isn’t prancing around like a Lippizaner – fault lies with the guy who bought it.

    Peace.

  169. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    You do realize this logic can be used to justify a boatload of things including homosexuality and bunch of other stuff…not my religion, just saying.

    Indeed, the full implications of the Gospel are frightening to some, but that needn’t be so. The chief problem with homosexuality is not that God will send us to hell for it (He won’t IMO.) Rather, the problem is that it is unhealthy and self-destructive. We are redeemed in Christ, but that doesn’t save us feom the miserable consequences of our actions in the here and now.

    Your other questions are interesting. I’ll get to those shortly (Mom duty calls.)

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Truth
  170. Talha says:
    @216

    The unspoken assumption in your argument is honor killings.

    Nope, don’t need that. You just need a mechanism for the father to legally interdict a marriage he doesn’t approve of. Or not allow the marriage to take place without the father’s legal sign off.

    There are no need for extreme measures when simple solutions are possible.

    Control of female sexuality is nearly verboten in our societies. And barring technological changes it probably isn’t coming back.

    You don’t need technology – you need to put the father back in the place he used to be. Actually, technology may have been the problem in the first place.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Talha
  171. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    I’m just saying; if you have a set of injunctions that you actually acknowledge have been ordered by the Divine, and you feel you can discard one or more of them based on a hierarchy of your priorities, then that’s fine – others will simply do the same based on their pet hierarchies.

    And if you say, well it’s all good, because we’re all going to Paradise anyway, then they’ll do the same.

    To me – again, it’s not my religion – it seems to be playing a dangerous game; the irrelevancy of religious guidance in the face of “muh feelz”.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  172. Talha says:
    @Talha

    There are no need for extreme measures when simple solutions are possible.

    Girl trying to break up a relationship without awkwardness under new paradigm:

    “It’s not you babe, it’s my dad.”

    End of story.

  173. Rosie says:

    I’m just saying; if you have a set of injunctions that you actually acknowledge have been ordered by the Divine, and you feel you can discard one or more of them based on a hierarchy of your priorities, then that’s fine – others will simply do the same based on their pet hierarchies.

    Hold on. I don’t believe I said anything about discarding. I mean only to say that our fulfillment of God’s law will always be imperfect, because to be alive (as half-beast, half-angel) is to be a sinner.

    I absolutely acknowledge that I have certain duties to all humanity as a Christian. I only maintain that those duties fall well short of turning my country over to other groups. TBH, I struggle to understand why this is so puzzling to some. If my neighbor’s house burns down, I certainly have an obligation to offer assistance, perhaps even to offer hospitality for a time. But I am not required to give him my house.

    And if you say, well it’s all good, because we’re all going to Paradise anyway, then they’ll do the same.

    Hmmm. This is a very infantile conception of human behaviour. A properly raised child will eventually strive to do good not because he is threatened with punishment, but because he has a developed conscience, empathy, and foresight.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  174. @Talha

    fault lies with the guy who bought it.

    Fault lies with the guy who brought it, then allowed it to spin out of control. As long as negroes are under heavy guard and know their place, they might be a minimal distraction. Anybody with common sense would have sent them all back to Africa (Lincoln and Jefferson agreed) – or at least not have granted them equal rights once slavery was over. Kind of like a contract worker: your time is up, you’re fired.

    Africans are meant to be in the jungles and deserts of Africa, not a first world country. I hold no grudge against them for that. It’s just how they are. The problem is whites (liberals and most conservatives) don’t recognize this, so instead of cracking down on them, we try to be nice to them to “make them feel better” and “end systemic racism”. We all know will not solve any problems.

    The problem is the lack of whites’ wills, rather than the fact they brought them over for slavery.

  175. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    I’m just saying; if you have a set of injunctions that you actually acknowledge have been ordered by the Divine,

    This is, in large part, the essence of the dispute. I don’t believe, and I think I speak for most Christians here, that God gives injunctions just to give injunctions. Rather, he commands us to live in such a way as to promote our own good. Our failure to do so normally carries its own built-in punishments. (Earthly parents refer to these as “natural consequences” or “logical consequences.”)

    • Replies: @Talha
  176. @Talha

    Speaking of that, I love going on r/hapa and seeing them complaining about their white dads. He cooked bland spaghetti for dinner! He made a lame dad joke!

    As the phrase goes, white people problems… well I guess it’s HAPA people problems now.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Talha
  177. @Audacious Epigone

    “It was an abstract thing for Xers …”

    I’m an Xer, and your statement rings true. I feel sympathy for Millennial white males, guys in their 20s and 30s, in the initial phase of building adult lives and having to deal with the current racial backlash. But it’s not all roses for white dudes in their 40s and 50s, still slugging it out in the corporate sphere. I’m in an industry that is notoriously lefty and have to watch my step.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  178. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Their central message is “loser dad, loser son”

    I can’t say they are wrong.

    They were very effective in scaring me off of ever having a relationship with an AF.

    In our system, only shaming male sexuality is acceptable. So it is a valid idea to encourage WM to avoid marrying out, no SJW can object to that.

    • Replies: @216
  179. 216 says:
    @216

    hahahahahahaha

    Get rekt you subersive thot

  180. Rosie says:
    @Mr. Rational

    You cannot “cure” these things. When a kid says “I cain’t do dis, Mr. Jackson. I black” he is telling you the truth. Insisting otherwise just, to use a metaphor, wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    That is such a heart-breaking anecdote. I would also struggle to accept that child’s pronouncement, but here again the promise of universal salvation takes the edge off.

  181. Talha says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Fault lies with the guy who brought it, then allowed it to spin out of control.

    Yup.

    Kind of like a contract worker: your time is up, you’re fired.

    They didn’t really sign up for contract work where they had to sign some legal agreement to go back after a certain number of years.

    Africans are meant to be in the jungles and deserts of Africa, not a first world country.

    Should have been left there then.

    The problem is whites (liberals and most conservatives) don’t recognize this

    Well, it’s been a long standing problem – I mean this did happen a few centuries ago.

    rather than the fact they brought them over for slavery.

    Uh no – you don’t get to dismiss that one. That is why they are here. That is part of the problem you cite.

    Whites brought them here so they have to deal with it – Africa has no need for them nor is obligated to take them back.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  182. Truth says:
    @Rosie

    The chief problem with homosexuality is not that God will send us to hell for it (He won’t IMO.)

    I’m really interested in what version of the bible you have read now, Rosie. Must be one I am unfamiliar with.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  183. @Twinkie

    Thanks for your comment. Glad you’re here, and best wishes to you and your family.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  184. Rosie says:
    @Truth

    I’m really interested in what version of the bible you have read now, Rosie. Must be one I am unfamiliar with.

    Is this friendly or enemy fire?

    • Replies: @Truth
  185. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    Whites brought them here so they have to deal with it – Africa has no need for them nor is obligated to take them back.

    Nor are Whites obligated to give welfare to blacks in our country nor foreign aid to African nations. Perhaps we can come to some arrangement.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Mr. Rational
    , @Truth
    , @Truth
  186. @Truth

    Well, if he was to follow the example of the typical black man and choose A, he’d certainly have more time to make up for the error of his ways.

    But if he enjoys far closer relations with his offspring than the typical black man, clearly the only alternative is B.

    • Replies: @Truth
  187. @Truth

    Dude you ruined it. You were going so strong, shamelessly protecting the white race and all, then you punked out at the end.

    What can I say? I’m a softy at heart.

    May Odin forgive me.

    • LOL: Rosie
  188. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    I don’t believe I said anything about discarding.

    OK – then perhaps the premise of my initial question was misplaced.

    I only maintain that those duties fall well short of turning my country over to other groups.

    Sure – I don’t believe the Turks (who are my brothers in faith have an obligation to turn over their country to people from Pakistan or Senegal). And since I’m not a supporter of mass immigration, I’m not going to defend it.

    Interestingly, I found out recently that the Ottomans granted a millet to the Kurds (even though they were both brothers in faith) to allow for cultural autonomy within shared space:
    “It focuses on how the millet practice was applied to the treatment of Kurds under the early and late Ottoman Empire, and discusses how millet practices were destroyed by the disease of nationalism. The article then considers how practices like those applied by the Ottomans might act as a useful example for modern nation states facing conflicts with national, religious, ethnic or migrant minorities. It suggests that practices like the millet might be beneficial both if minorities gain territorial recognition and also for those minorities who live in non-territorial communities.”
    https://brill.com/view/journals/ijgr/21/4/article-p497_3.xml

    I love reading up on this stuff.

    Our failure to do so normally carries its own built-in punishments.

    I’ll agree here.

    This is a very infantile conception of human behaviour.

    You really haven’t been paying attention to what human beings have been up to recently.

    Anyhow, I guess the question is to really think over what viable options there are now that all these various people are here – at least as far as the US is concerned.

    Peace.

  189. Talha says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Man that sucks, to have that kind of a disrespect for your father. No generation will succeed that does not honor their parents and be of service to them – you can write this in gold.

    well I guess it’s HAPA people problems now.

    The disrespect they showed to their fathers will pale in comparison to what they’re going to get.

    Peace.

  190. Rosie says:

    Interestingly, I found out recently that the Ottomans granted a millet to the Kurds (even though they were both brothers in faith) to allow for cultural autonomy within shared space:
    “It focuses on how the millet practice was applied to the treatment of Kurds under the early and late Ottoman Empire, and discusses how millet practices were destroyed by the disease of nationalism. The article then considers how practices like those applied by the Ottomans might act as a useful example for modern nation states facing conflicts with national, religious, ethnic or migrant minorities. It suggests that practices like the millet might be beneficial both if minorities gain territorial recognition and also for those minorities who live in non-territorial communities.”

    Very interesting. Thank you for this.

    • Replies: @Talha
  191. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    Nor are Whites obligated to give welfare to blacks in our country nor foreign aid to African nations.

    Agreed.

    Perhaps we can come to some arrangement.

    Possibly – likely depends what the offer is on the table. 40 acres and a mule?

    Peace.

  192. 216 says:

    O/T

    Ways that we can legislatively wreck them?

    An industry that relies on state protection, and Medicare/Medicaid/VA largesse, should have more respect for the Right.

    And we should be demonstrating our power, even if it means something as odd as a State-Run Drug Company.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  193. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    No problem – and despite the current state of affairs, the Kurds were actually one of the most fiercely loyal people to the Ottomans. They resisted nationalist-independence notions for a long time while many others went for it. It was really after the Ottoman state itself become more and more secular Turkish-nationalist that the Kurds responded in kind.

    Peace.

  194. @Talha

    the hard manual labor the Spanish tried to get out of the natives often ended up killing them.

    The tropical diseases of the coastal plains from Virginia on southward killed the English transportees and Irish slaves too.  Virginia colony was on the verge of failure because the labor force kept dying.  I’m not sure what the major crop was, but I suspect it was tobacco.  Nicotine is toxic and can be absorbed through the skin.

    White people weren’t about to pick their own cotton

    Have you never read “The Grapes of Wrath”?  Poor White children picked cotton too.

    https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.ovZzHSr-A2S5qD72OpG41gHaFn&pid=Api

    • Replies: @Talha
  195. Talha says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Virginia colony was on the verge of failure because the labor force kept dying.

    No doubt life was tough. My point was that there was a very specific and compelling economic reason why hundreds of thousands of Blacks were transported into this land and it wasn’t so they could be given free food and weaves.

    Have you never read “The Grapes of Wrath”? Poor White children picked cotton too.

    I have, but that era was well after they had stopped importing slaves.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  196. @Rosie

    Nor are Whites obligated to give welfare to blacks in our country nor foreign aid to African nations.

    The Black fraction of the US population fell from 19.3% in 1790 to just 9.7% in 1930.  The surge in Black numbers came after the New Deal welfare policy subsidized them.  With modern contraception and a cutoff in incentives for Black reproduction, we could have absolute declines in Black numbers fairly quickly.

    Perhaps we can come to some arrangement.

    Blacks will kick, scream and raise hell over it but I bet that the Mexicans would put such a policy measure over the top.  Mexicans hate Africans.

    • Replies: @Truth
  197. 216 says:

    If only I could force feed the replies into millions of Boomercons.

    This is Jewish Hate ™

  198. @Talha

    My point was that there was a very specific and compelling economic reason why hundreds of thousands of Blacks were transported into this land and it wasn’t so they could be given free food and weaves.

    There was a very specific and compelling reason that the corsairs of the Barbary coast made the Mediterranian a dangerous place for centuries.  It was profitable, and according to them your prophet commanded it.  Many times more White slaves went to N. Africa and Arabia than Africans went to the English colonies.

    that era was well after they had stopped importing slaves.

    What difference does THAT make?  They needed every pair of hands they could get.  If you were a poor person living in cotton country, you picked cotton in the harvest season unless you were unable.  White, Black, adults, children, you picked cotton.  It wasn’t just slaves, it was everyone.  If it was your farm you picked your own, if it was your parents’ farm you picked for them, if you were landless you picked for whoever was paying.

    Then John Rust came along with his cotton spindle and and that was that.

    • Replies: @Talha
  199. Talha says:
    @Mr. Rational

    What difference does THAT make?

    If they had been doing this all-hands-on-deck stuff initially and simply dealt with whatever limitations they had in manpower, then Black slaves wouldn’t have been imported.

    Again, Blacks are here in their numbers because of a very specific and compelling economic reason in America’s history.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  200. Truth says:
    @Rosie

    When it’s pitch dark and the soldiers have had a couple of drinks, it’s hard to tell.

    No, seriously; unfortunately (and I believe it is often unfortunate) the bible is not meant to be read as one would have lunch at Furrs Cafeteria, “let me have some of that eternal salvation…no you can keep the ‘love thy neighbor.’”

    Leviticus 20:13

    If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

    Now people will say; “Old Testament, does not apply.” But the meaning is this, “if you have accepted God’s word and love sufficiently, you will no longer desire your chosen sin.”

    • Replies: @Rosie
  201. Truth says:
    @Rosie

    No African nation has ever received foreign aid. Only Israel and nations with heavily subsidized military bases receive foreign aid. African nations receive foreign LOANS. That is one reason things are so confused.

    • Replies: @Talha
  202. Truth says:
    @silviosilver

    …Well then he’s out of the dating game for 20-25 years, Old Sport. That sort of invalidates your point.

  203. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Hey!

    I guess technically you are correct. I read “century” and thought “100 year period.” But there has to be some young African American born in 2002 taking Calculus II who is on pace to tie you next semester.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  204. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Africans are meant to be in the jungles and deserts of Africa

    This is completely beside the point. They’re here and it is vanishingly unlikely that they’ll ever be made to go anywhere. Fortunately, this doesn’t matter, because what whites most desperately need right now is time, not territory.

    Whites need time to gather their wits, time to regroup, time to comprehend and come to grips with the issues of fundamental life importance, and to ignore the issues that obscurantist and obstructionist politicos and media hacks tell them are important.

    From this perspective, it is of secondary importance that tens of millions of blacks, hispanics, asians and other a million other racial configurations are on American soil. Getting rid of them, if it is to ever happen, will come at the end of a multi-decade effort, not at the beginning of it.

    For the foreseeable future, whites must be prepared to sacrifice territory in order to buy time. Land for time. Promise any and every group its own patch of soil so long as whites get theirs too. Land for time. Say it a million times: land for time.

  205. Talha says:
    @Truth

    This sounds like fairly straightforward IMF operating procedure. Give out a bunch of loans (usually to a bunch of corrupt elite that use it for nefarious purposes, often to kick their people in the teeth) and then demand repayment from the country as a whole or put up collateral.

    Do you have a good source, like a break down for all this?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  206. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Hey!

    I guess technically you are correct. I read “century” and thought “100 year period.” But there has to be some young African American born in 2002 taking Calculus II who is on pace to tie you next semester.

  207. Truth says:
    @Rosie

    BTW Rosie, we don’t “give welfare to blacks in our country”, we give it to “Americans needing assistance”.

    And most of that goes to… well… you know who.

    https://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-vs-social-welfare/

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm

  208. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    The Black fraction of the US population fell from 19.3% in 1790 to just 9.7% in 1930.

    You are aware that that is because they opened up immigration to “lesser whites?”

    Mexicans hate Africans.

    Are you sure this isn’t a little projection here, Old Sport?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  209. @Twinkie

    It’s equally sad that you must seek validation from one of the more loathsome trolls here at Unz, especially when using the parenthetical portion of my comment to change the entire context of my thought, so you can accuse me of lacking reading comprehension.

    BTW, the USA’s current standard of LEGAL immigration is reckless.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Twinkie
  210. Truth says:
    @Talha

    The World Bank and IMF do not have the ability to enforce compliance with their loan conditions. Yet both agencies keep lending, and Africa’s debt continues to accumulate. Under the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries Initiative, close to 30 African countries received some form of debt relief amounting to tens of billions of dollars. As a consequence, Africa’s debt to GDP ratio fell from 66 percent in 2000 to a low of 24 percent in 2008. Since then, the ratio has climbed back up to 36 percent.

    Unlike in the past, when African governments borrowed almost exclusively from official creditors, such as the World Bank and the IMF, today Africa owes roughly half of its $250 billion debt to private creditors. This is a step in the right direction, for private lenders tend to be more circumspect when lending money to African countries and more insistent that African governments fulfil their commitments to reform and repayment. The discipline that markets impose on historically irresponsible governments would be much enhanced if official aid to Africa ceased.

    https://fee.org/articles/can-the-united-states-help-africa/

    According to a 2014 report, Africa receives about $133.7 billion each year from official aid, grants, loans to the private sector, remittances, etc. But at the same time, some $191.9 billion is extracted from the continent in the form of debt repayments, multinational company profits, illicit financial flows, brain drain, illegal logging and fishing etc. And more recent figures put the outflow much higher – at over $218 billion. In other words, Africa suffers a net loss of more than $85 billion every year. Such a net outflow suggests that far from the West aiding Africa, it is Africa that is aiding the West.

    https://newint.org/features/2018/11/01/giving-aid-to-africa

    Couldn’t open these on my government-sanctioned computer, but look interesting.

    http://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201808/02/WS5b623d2ca31031a351e9189e.html

    https://www.lejournalinternational.fr/Foreign-aid-is-hurting-not-helping-Sub-Saharan-Africa_a2085.html

    • Replies: @Talha
  211. Truth says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    It’s equally sad that you must seek validation from one of the more loathsome trolls here at Unz

    You gon’ let him talk to you like that Stan?

  212. @Twinkie

    “It’s a descriptive term, not a derisive one (though I think the moral judgment on that kind of belief is likely to be highly negative among most civilized peoples for obvious reasons).”

    It is derisive. It conjures mental images of goose stepping brown shirts worshiping Hilter. It also allows you the illusion of moral superiority, when you don’t necessarily have it.

    “I mean people who want a white ethno-state in the U.S. and advocate for forcible expulsion of nonwhite citizens.”

    This is an exaggeration. Even so, is it a “morally negative judgement” to forcibly remove disruptive and parasitic individuals from the boundaries of your home and or property, when they refuse to depart willingly? Regardless of whether you invited them in or not?

    How is it more moral to continue to allow non-white “citizens” of this country to continue to marginalize whites, out breed whites, replace whites, and legislate against whites? Because that is the course we are on.

    The problem with your argument is that you seem to believe that force and violence are automatically immoral under all circumstances. Better dead than rude, I suppose.

    “Even at the pure level of pragmatism, it’s incumbent upon the country at large to solve “the black problem” as such, because black problems, sooner or later, spill into non-black areas.”

    I imagine you will be unable to fully address this issue. There is only one solution left that has not been tried, and that is repatriation. Nothing else will solve the issue. That is the reality, and you (and many others) will have to decide what is more important, your egalitarian urges, or your practical understanding that sometimes in order for something to survive a hard choice has to be made.

    It will never happen of course, and the result is going to be that the black problem solves you.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @silviosilver
    , @Twinkie
  213. @Truth

    So was your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great Grandmother an orangutan?

    I only count 28 generations there, sport, so I’m pretty sure the answer is: no, duh.

    But to address what I gather is your larger question, then, yeah, sure, if we go back far enough a certain female ancestor of mine quite likely did resemble something like an “orangutan,” at least more so than she resembled a homo sapiens.

    I’ve never really understood why people are so bummed by this. Personally, I could scarcely care less whether evolution, as its currently understood, is true or not. If it’s true, I’m content for it to be true; if it turns out it’s not, it would be interesting to speculate what material causes might account for why life came to be as it is, but I would certainly not immediately assume that “God” (whatever that is) did it.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  214. @Talha

    “White people weren’t about to pick their own cotton”

    For the readers who don’t know better, this is a lie.

    • Replies: @Talha
  215. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    “Fault lies with the guy who brought it, then allowed it to spin out of control.”

    Yep – American slave purchasers should have castrated their slaves like the muslims did.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Talha
  216. Truth says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    There is only one solution left that has not been tried, and that is repatriation.

    That’s a good one, Rabbi.

    Where do you think they will send you?

  217. @MikeatMikedotMike

    How is it more moral to continue to allow non-white “citizens” of this country to continue to marginalize whites, out breed whites, replace whites, and legislate against whites? Because that is the course we are on.

    When you put it like that, he becomes the “replacer,” and it’s he and his offspring who have to go. In that case, you can hardly blame him for becoming antagonistic.

    The only serious hope for alliances with non-whites is to offer them racial autonomy, and a racially exclusive territory on which to enjoy it. The difference between this and sending them “home” (a “home” many or most of them have never seen) is that, culturally, very little need change for them. They can continue to be “Americans” (as they understand it), only within reconfigured political boundaries – that is, reconfigured along racial lines.

    This gives non-whites something positive to be for, to look forward to, to campaign for. They no longer need resist or fear pro-whites. Pro-whites’ attempts to control of all of America will, imo, only ensure that they eventually control none of it.

  218. @Talha

    If they had been doing this all-hands-on-deck stuff initially and simply dealt with whatever limitations they had in manpower, then Black slaves wouldn’t have been imported.

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?  Working in those fields was a DEATH SENTENCE for Whites.  Had the English not imported Africans who had innate resistance to the malaria and other diseases, they would have been pushed out by the Spanish who had already been importing Africans for some time.

    Had that happened, you would not have had a United States to come to.  It all would have been Mexico until it turned into Quebec.

    Blacks are here in their numbers because of a very specific and compelling economic reason in America’s history

    Blacks are here in their numbers because AFDC subsidized their reproduction starting almost 90 years ago.  Had they had to work to support their reproduction, they’d be maybe 3-5% of the US population today, much less if the law had supported their recolonization instead.

    • Replies: @Talha
  219. @Truth

    I was just one of about 35 in my high school alone.  Contrast one for a whole city.

    • Replies: @Truth
  220. @Truth

    Are you sure this isn’t a little projection here, Old Sport?

    The Hispanization of both Harlem and Compton are not fig newtons of my imagination, chum.

    • Replies: @Truth
  221. @MikeatMikedotMike

    American slave purchasers should have castrated their slaves like the muslims did.

    No good deed goes un-punished.

  222. Rosie says:
    @Truth

    Now people will say; “Old Testament, does not apply.” But the meaning is this, “if you have accepted God’s word and love sufficiently, you will no longer desire your chosen sin.”

    Pray away the gay.

    No, seriously; unfortunately (and I believe it is often unfortunate) the bible is not meant to be read as one would have lunch at Furrs Cafeteria, “let me have some of that eternal salvation…no you can keep the ‘love thy neighbor.’”

    Why not? If some Old Testamnet dicta doesn’t comport with the Spirit of the Gospel, on ehat grounds is it considered binding?

    • Replies: @Truth
  223. @silviosilver

    The only serious hope for alliances with non-whites is to offer them racial autonomy, and a racially exclusive territory on which to enjoy it.

    That doesn’t work with Blacks.  The one thing every last one of them wants is to get out of Blackistan and be with Whitey.  As Andrew Young said, anywhere we go, they will follow—and they will raise holy hell if you even talk about making them keep to themselves.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  224. Talha says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    So if there were plenty of Whites around to pick their own cotton (which is a catch-all for manual plantation labor) – or if they were able to import White workers for the task – why did they import Black slaves? I’m curious…so what was the impetus behind going all the way to Africa, buying a bunch of guys, plenty of whom were going to die along the way and then using them to do plantation work? Affirmative action?

    I mean look – once Muslims started getting kind of cushy after a few centuries, they also started to buy a bunch of slaves from very hardy mountain and steppe people to do a lot of their fighting for them. Possibly the best fighters during the medieval period. If they were willing to fight themselves, they wouldn’t have needed to buy slaves to do it.

    What happened? Well, the slaves kind of took over a few places – like Egypt:
    “The slave-warriors of medieval Islam overthrew their masters, defeated the Mongols and the Crusaders and established a dynasty that lasted 300 years.”
    https://www.historytoday.com/miscellanies/who-were-mamluks

    Peace.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    , @iffen
  225. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    …One that I could find online in under a minute from 2,000 miles away at work.

    FIFY.

  226. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Neither is the Chinafication of Beverly Hills.

    Does that mean the Chinese hate whites?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  227. Talha says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    like the muslims did.

    Nope – Muslims bought them like that from others – that is pretty well documented. Pretty sneaky and underhanded actually since the Prophet (pbuh) explicitly forbade castration (the punishment for which was that you were to be castrated). So they outsourced it.

    I’m sure the slavers would have obliged before selling them (that simply would have raised the prices though – it is estimated that eunuchs fetched 10 times the price of a normal slave because plenty died in the process). So it may have been due to wanting more bang for your buck and also they wanted them to breed for a new generation of manual labor without having to go through the trouble to buy more from Africa. The child of a slave was also automatically property.

    The reason Muslims had use for eunuchs was because the purpose they were used for was different; it wasn’t manual plantation labor. Muslims tried that same thing actually (importing a large amount of African slaves for tough, manual field labor) very early on and it led to the very bloody Zanj Rebellion and they didn’t try it again.

    Peace.

  228. Truth says:
    @Rosie

    Pray away the gay.

    LOL, I didn’t write the bible Rosie, I only read it. Believe me, there are times I’d LOVE to go back to boning a lot of broads… but they pass pretty quickly.

    Why not? If some Old Testamnet dicta doesn’t comport with the Spirit of the Gospel, on ehat grounds is it considered binding?

    https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm

    • Replies: @Rosie
  229. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Much obliged, sir!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  230. Talha says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Had the English not imported Africans who had innate resistance to the malaria and other diseases

    Which goes back to my earlier statement:
    Blacks are here in their numbers because of a very specific and compelling economic reason in America’s history.

    Thank you for expounding on the details; Whites needed Blacks to compete with the Spanish who also needed Blacks.

    It all would have been Mexico until it turned into Quebec.

    Possibly.

    Had they had to work to support their reproduction, they’d be maybe 3-5% of the US population today

    OK. So I guess a mistake compounding an earlier mistake.

    much less if the law had supported their recolonization instead.

    OK.

    Peace.

  231. @Talha

    “So if there were plenty of Whites around to pick their own cotton (which is a catch-all for manual plantation labor) – or if they were able to import White workers for the task – why did they import Black slaves?

    Wow, all of a sudden you’re functionally illiterate about basic economic principles when your gas lighting gets called out.

    Your question amounts to why would a modern farmer buy two tractors when he already owns one. Plantation owners who could afford to purchase more labor did so, out of an interest in economic returns. They didn’t care if the labor was white or blacks – see below. Blacks, were likely more suited to manual labor in a sub-tropical climate than whites because of their origins. This is really basic stuff.

    “White workers…”

    More obfuscation – white “workers” were actually slaves or indentured servants – and legislation curtailing the procurement of indentured servants didn’t appear until the 1830’s. Free blacks also owned black slaves in the pre-war south.

    I’m curious…so what was the impetus behind going all the way to Africa, buying a bunch of guys, plenty of whom were going to die along the way and then using them to do plantation work? Affirmative action?”

    Plantation owners didn’t go to Africa – the slave trade brought slaves to the colonial shores – and took no risk in their transport. You need to do a lot more reading about this country that you claim to love so much. Start with the Triangle Trade.

    • Replies: @Talha
  232. Talha says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Blacks, were likely more suited to manual labor in a sub-tropical climate than whites because of their origins. This is really basic stuff.

    So they purchased Blacks because they got more bang for their buck than for Whites in that trade off; both Whites and Blacks were willing to pick cotton, but Blacks were just a better bargain – OK, makes sense.

    white “workers” were actually slaves or indentured servants

    Agreed here – I didn’t state that they had some kind of a unionization program. It is well known that many who came here were debt-slaves or indentured servants or the like. Good – we agree.

    Plantation owners didn’t go to Africa

    Of course not, why would they?

    the slave trade brought slaves to the colonial shores

    Yup – where they were bought and then used for manual labor on plantations.

    Free blacks also owned black slaves in the pre-war south.

    Yup – which also gave incentive for the import of more slaves from Africa.

    OK – I agree – thanks for the corrections. White WERE willing to pick cotton, but Blacks were simply a better deal for the task. As you and others pointed out better suited for that particular manual labor due to genetic differences…goes back to my cart horse analogy.

    Do you have any estimates from a reliable source as to what the racial breakdown was for plantation labor? I’d love to see a list for Ante-bellum US with how the demographics changed over time for that particular task.

    Peace.

  233. Corvinus says:
    @silviosilver

    “Ending immigration alone won’t do it, since race-mixing erodes the white proportion of the population just as effectively.”

    So how do you propose convincing white normies that the scourge of miscegenation must be eradicated? What specific propaganda techniques must be employed? I mean, with your alleged high IQ, you ought to be able to come up with something substantial.

    “Unfortunately, discussing the effects of race-mixing is even more difficult – many times so – than discussing the effects of immigration.”

    Then based on your comment, I nominate you to tell John Derbyshire that he no longer represents the Alt Right because of his race treason.

    He has to go back.

  234. Corvinus says:
    @Twinkie

    “Correct… though I do not consider “fancy Asians” “my own people.” My people are Americans, period.”

    So magic dirt then. You do realize your hypocrisy, right? Praytell, would the Founding Fathers view you as “one of them”?

  235. Corvinus says:
    @The Z Blog

    “The term “anti-white” is like black magic on baby boomers.”

    Actually, it has little effect on them. They simply laugh at the notion and proceed to move on.

    “I suspect a long life time of conditioning has made it very hard for them to process being a hated minority and being the object of cultural discrimination.”

    According to Who/Whom?

  236. @Mr. Rational

    That doesn’t work with Blacks. The one thing every last one of them wants is to get out of Blackistan and be with Whitey. As Andrew Young said, anywhere we go, they will follow—and they will raise holy hell if you even talk about making them keep to themselves.

    Let them raise all the hell they want. They’re the one group that everyone else – deep down – would like to get the the hell away from. The rowdier they get, the more likely that anti-blackness can achieve an electoral majority. It doesn’t really matter if they want to leave blackistan; if they’re prevented from doing it by everybody else resolving to keep them out, out, out, they’ll have no choice but to lump it.

    Also, it seems silly to argue that my plan won’t work because blacks will reject it – as if they won’t reject even more fiercely the much harsher plan of sending them to Africa.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Mr. Rational
  237. Talha says:
    @silviosilver

    blackistan

    Keeping the dream alive!

    The Caliphate of West Blackistan!

    they’ll have no choice but to lump it.

    That’s OK.

    Horses? check.
    Spears? check…we got this.

    Peace.

  238. @Truth

    If you’re using gang violence to do your ethnic replacement, it does.

    • Replies: @Truth
  239. @silviosilver

    Let them raise all the hell they want. They’re the one group that everyone else – deep down – would like to get the the hell away from. The rowdier they get, the more likely that anti-blackness can achieve an electoral majority.

    It doesn’t quite work that way.  You also have the wealth division among Whites, plus the urge to virtue-signal.  Wealthy Whites (and (((special people))) too) can generally separate themselves from all troublesome groups regardless of race.  For lots of them, lording it over Whites who can’t afford to keep the dark hordes at a safe distance makes them feel warm; “rubbing their noses in diversity” means the wealthy get to hobnob with the likes of Tiger Woods while the hoi polloi get picked off by the likes of the Carr brothers and their nefarious activities don’t get much attention.  Ordinary Whites are stuck in the middle, and the courts will and do side with Blacks when Hispanics try to close ranks in e.g. employment to keep them out.  We won’t be voting our way out of this one, I’m afraid.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  240. @silviosilver

    “When you put it like that, he becomes the “replacer,” and it’s he and his offspring who have to go. In that case, you can hardly blame him for becoming antagonistic. ”

    Right, it’s my fault for “putting it like that.”

    How would you put it, exactly? Is the replacement of whites happening in some other way? If we have to shroud the truth in some PC euphemism then we are just wasting our own time.

    “The only serious hope for alliances with non-whites is to offer them racial autonomy, and a racially exclusive territory on which to enjoy it. The difference between this and sending them “home” (a “home” many or most of them have never seen) is that, culturally, very little need change for them. They can continue to be “Americans” (as they understand it), only within reconfigured political boundaries – that is, reconfigured along racial lines. ”

    Disagree completely. As I’ve already said – POC identity in the US is built upon their access to whites and their productivity. They already have racial autonomy, as well as access to white productivity. If being forcibly removed is off the table, what incentive do they have to even negotiate? They currently have all of the political power. You’re attempting to bargain with chips you don’t have.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  241. @Mr. Rational

    It doesn’t quite work that way. You also have the wealth division among Whites, plus the urge to virtue-signal.

    We won’t be voting our way out of this one, I’m afraid.

    If the broad mass of whites lack the racial unity to vote their way out of it, what makes you think they will somehow magically achieve the unity necessary to take the much more drastic step of shooting their way out of it? Particularly when you consider that the electoral strategy I outlined at least offers the possibility of working in concert with other racial groups – whether it’s realized or not – whereas the shooting strategy would appear to offer no such possibility, and appears to rely on a spontaneous uprising with virtually nothing in the way of broad (rather than local) preparation for it. I don’t wish to be too quick too pooh-pooh a concept I have very little understanding of (popular armed uprisings), but with my current level of knowledge, the idea seems to me far more fantastical than my own proposal.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Talha
  242. iffen says:
    @Talha

    why did they import Black slaves?

    It was incredibly profitable for slave ports, slaving companies, the slave supplying African tribes, shipbuilding, insurance and usually for plantation owners. Many fortunes were made. Actually the slaves on the cotton plantations had it better than most. The slaves in Brazil and the Sugar Islands were literally worked to death. It was cheaper to buy new slaves than to provide minimal sustenance. There was an almost endless supply of slaves in Africa. They bought healthy young males and worked them to death in 5-6 years. If they got 8-9 years out of them, the extra years were almost pure profit.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Rosie
  243. @MikeatMikedotMike

    I’m having trouble understanding your position.

    Right, it’s my fault for “putting it like that.”

    How would you put it, exactly? Is the replacement of whites happening in some other way? If we have to shroud the truth in some PC euphemism then we are just wasting our own time.

    Naturally, I agree that it’s happening just as you said. However, you seemed disappointed by Twinkle’s response, as though you thought that if he really cared as much as he claimed he did, that he’d have responded differently.

    You originally complained about being unable to remove “disruptive and parasitic individuals” but in the very next paragraph you switched to asking how it was moral allow non-white “citizens” [your sneer quotes] to continue to marginalize and replace whites.

    I agree that the non-white presence, in itself, contributes to the marginalization of whites and leads to the replacement of whites, but in addressing Twinkles, your earlier complaint suggests he might become an ally in addressing the problem – eg by allowing you or encouraging you to remove “disruptive and parasitic individuals” – but your latter complaint appears to foreclose on that possibility, because it is his very presence itself that is problematic.

    When your complaints about a person fail to remain consistent or coherent, then yes, it really is your fault for “putting it like that.”

    To remind you of your exchange:

    [Twinkles] “Most WN-types seem to consider most nonwhite citizens as these “foreign people.”

    [You] This is a simplistic and deceptive straw man, sprinkled with a little bit of your tendency to hang yourself on a cross as the Mary Sue of all martyrs.

    In your reply to Rosie you complain about being called a subversive, but you have no problem insinuating that I (and anyone who doesn’t celebrate reckless immigration, apparently) am a “WN type.”

    Well, you clearly do consider him as one of these “foreign people” who are doing the race-replacing and who would, presumably, be marked for removal. So there really wasn’t anything “deceptive” or “straw man” about his characterization of your political position at all. When you threaten a man with expulsion, isn’t it understandable that he’d react with alarm?

    And you are also putting words into his mouth. He didn’t call you a WN-type because of your deficient celebration of reckless immigration, but because you would force people like him out of the country.

    If the point of engaging him in conversation was not to encourage him to be a better pro-white ally, rather to portray him (and non-whites like him) as wholly unreasonable, then I’m afraid it has had the opposite effect of making you seem unreasonable. In cases like this, it is better not to engage a non-white at all, rather than to engage him and inadvertently win sympathy for him.

    If being forcibly removed is off the table, what incentive do they have to even negotiate?

    If the plan is to forcibly remove them, then what incentive do they have to negotiate at all? You’re making it sound as though the offer is “Do what we want, else we’ll forcibly remove you.” But what you want is to remove them, regardless of what they do or don’t do. I really don’t see what, from their point of view, there is to “negotiate” about, besides something banal like “ok, you win, we’ll leave peacefully, please don’t forcibly remove us.”

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  244. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Yup – definitely profitable for all involved. I knew about the difference in conditions between the slaves under Spanish and Portuguese rule versus in the US – probably why you have so many more slave revolts in that area.

    If they got 8-9 years out of them, the extra years were almost pure profit.

    Wow – did not know that. I assume you are talking about the Spanish and Portuguese areas.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @iffen
  245. Rosie says:
    @iffen

    They bought healthy young males and worked them to death in 5-6 years.

    I would love to get inside their heads and figure out how they convinced themselves that this was anything other than atrocious barbarism.

    • Replies: @iffen
  246. @Talha

    Maybe some day you can learn something about the conditions of the lives of European slaves taken by muslim captors, you know, just to round out your knowledge.

    • Replies: @Talha
  247. @silviosilver

    If the broad mass of whites lack the racial unity to vote their way out of it, what makes you think they will somehow magically achieve the unity necessary to take the much more drastic step of shooting their way out of it?

    The ones with nothing to lose will force their will upon the others.

  248. Corvinus says:

    “The ones with nothing to lose will force their will upon the others.”

    Does that include you engaging in this use of force?

    What makes you think that this “nothing to lose” group will somehow galvanize this broad mass of whites into submission? Do not white people have the liberty to make their own decisions about race and culture? OR, must they submit completely to your line of thinking, lest they be labeled a “race traitor”?

  249. Talha says:
    @silviosilver

    the idea seems to me far more fantastical than my own proposal.

    Honestly, it is. It’s the kind of stuff that comes up after having been in an echo chamber for too long.

    You have little chance at running if you cannot even walk. The first step would be to prove out that a critical mass of Whites would be willing to make necessary sacrifices. Whether by forming a new political party that makes no bones about being a White nationalist party even at a state level – like in one of those really White states. And then inviting more Whites to move into it – kind of like how Orban is asking other White Europeans to move into Hungary. Whites also starting to have a serious uptick in family cohesiveness and pumping out more kids would also show people are serious. Even a new Boy Scouts organization strictly for Whites – something…

    Otherwise…well, maybe it’s a plot for an entertaining graphic novel or something.

    Peace.

  250. Talha says:
    @silviosilver

    I already know about that; why did you think I wouldn’t?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  251. Truth says:
    @Talha

    No problem.

    There are a lot of misunderstood things said here that are just on-and-on-and-on, oft-repeated stupid here. One of them is “how much money we give to the laaaaa-z Af-rik-kinz.!”

    We don’t give anyone anything, (except of course, Israel) The United States is a corporation, (this is literal, not metaphorical, you can all look it up), and corporations make investments. It is as simple as that.

    • Replies: @Talha
  252. Rosie says:
    @Truth

    https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm

    When interpreting cryptic verses from New Testament Scripture, it is best to prefer interpretatjons that do not do violence to the traditional Christian understanding of the New Covenant. Your interpretation of this passage would seem to negate the whole thrust of the Gospel, which is precisely that none can fulfill the Law and must take refuge in Christ.

    • Replies: @iffen
  253. @Mr. Rational

    The ones with nothing to lose tend take impulsive actions, like Dylan Roof and that more recent synagogue shooter. I don’t mean they lash out the nearest available target. But they are coming from a very dark place, overwhelmed by a sense of loss and betrayal, and left believing that all hope is lost. Their sense of desperation leads them to wantonly sacrifice themselves, rather than to seek out compatriots with whom to patiently organize a longer-term coordinated response. (And I don’t mean something like The Order’s reckless spree; something like a local “civil defense force,” if that doesn’t sound too goofy.)

    To be truly effective, however, the scale of such an undertaking would have to come quite close to what would be required of an electoral effort. I’m not sure that people who feel they have nothing to lose are capable of anything close to that. Without that scale, it seems pointless. If it’s just isolated local resistance, I don’t think it takes any great military expertise to see that that’s not going to achieve anything. You really have to be off your rocker to think that a few deer hunting yokels trying to cut off a major city are going to frighten the US armed forces into submission.

    But I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong. Though they’re fast fading from memory today, Waco and Ruby Ridge seemed to provoke far more indignation than might have been expected given their tiny scale. If there were a few dozen local resistance efforts springing into action simultaneously, it may well have the effect that you claim, that these resistors’ will will “force” itself onto the more reluctant mass of whites, who might all of a sudden feel themselves left with no choice but to respond in some sort of pro-white way. Even then outcome would be far from certain, but perhaps it’s not entirely delusional to imagine that at some point events may play out along these lines.

    • Replies: @Mexico
    , @Talha
  254. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    (Siiiggggh)

    My friend, you have so much to learn, you seem like a nice enough guy, but boy are you good at believing what they tell you.

    Do you think it was BY ACCIDENT that I posted a link of a black man, joining a Mexican gang? Let me just answer you. No, it was not.

    I posted that link because I knew exactly what you were going to write next. another oft-repeated silly piece of the script that Geppetto said while he moved your lips. This is the ubiquitous “Thuuuuh Mess-e-kins ran thuh Knee-grows out of El-lay” script. I’ve broken this down at least 10 times so I am not going to do it here, but I’m sorry Big Chief, your fantasy never actually happened.

    What did happen was a confluence of a few factors in Los Angeles:

    1. The CIA instigated crack war between black gangs.

    2. People living in 60 year old 3 bedroom-one bath, 1100 sq. foot houses that were steadilly rising in value. Along with the development of 4 bedroom- two bath 2400 sq. foot homes in the outlying areas.

    3. The relaxing of the real estate laws which allowed poor immigrants to buy homes.

    4. An influx of poor immigrants…

    …Oops wait, I said I wasn’t going to get into it. Heck, I guess teaching is what I do.

    Anyway, here are the demographics in “black” LA:

    Compton, CA is still 34% black:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton,_California

    Inglewood, CA is still 44% black:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inglewood,_California

    Watts, CA is still 37% black:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts,_Los_Angeles

    And South LA, (formerly known as South Central) is still 50% black

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Los_Angeles#Demographics

    Bro. I hope you are as good at calculus as you say you are, because there seem to be a couple of 7th graders in Detroit who could help you with your statistics.

    • Replies: @Talha
  255. @silviosilver

    ” However, you seemed disappointed by Twinkle’s response, as though you thought that if he really cared as much as he claimed he did, that he’d have responded differently. ”

    Non-sequitur.

    “You originally complained about being unable to remove “disruptive and parasitic individuals” but in the very next paragraph you switched to asking how it was moral allow non-white “citizens” [your sneer quotes] to continue to marginalize and replace whites. ”

    Wrong – I did not complain, I ASKED (to which you don’t answer, BTW)- is it a “morally negative judgement to forcibly remove disruptive and parasitic individuals from the boundaries of your home and or property…?” Secondly, that and the other question were in reply to Twinkie’s claim that forcibly removing citizens (which I quoted because, for example, anchor babies are by law citizens, but are they by any other realistic measure?) was a moral negative.

    So with your very first example, you have willfully taken two parts of a reply to another commenter and misrepresented them, as well as applying your own biased narration as to their context.

    “but in addressing Twinkles, your earlier complaint suggests he might become an ally in addressing the problem – eg by allowing you or encouraging you to remove “disruptive and parasitic individuals” – but your latter complaint appears to foreclose on that possibility, because it is his very presence itself that is problematic. ”

    This is utter horseshit. Where is this suggestion that he might become an ally or a “foreclosure?” Again, there was no complaint – there was a question about disruptive and parasitic individuals – I said NOTHING about “allowing or encouraging.” You are inserting words into my comments that I never said or implied. And my comments were never addressed to Twinkie personally (other than that he likes to martyr himself – which is an observation on his personality completely separate from the discussion at hand) but generally speaking about the conflict between white and non white people in the US. That entire quote is nonsense, and you should be embarrassed to have so shamelessly attributed those words you wrote to me. You’re putting words in my mouth.

    “Well, you clearly do consider him as one of these “foreign people” who are doing the race-replacing and who would, presumably, be marked for removal. So there really wasn’t anything “deceptive” or “straw man” about his characterization of your political position at all. When you threaten a man with expulsion, isn’t it understandable that he’d react with alarm?”

    This is a lie. I never referred to Twinkie as a foreign people – I was, again, speaking in general terms – and I never threatened him with expulsion. You are making false assumptions to support your own preconceived notions. Clearly, you are either a liar or losing your mind. You’re certainly not impartial. (And the only people I would threaten with expulsion, are the ones who threaten me with extinction/enslavement. This statement is plain, and there is nothing immoral about it. If you disagree then we have nothing left to discuss because you are one of those who believe that I have no moral right to use violence to defend myself and my own.)

    “When your complaints about a person fail to remain consistent or coherent, then yes, it really is your fault for “putting it like that.””

    Amusing statement, since you said:

    “Naturally, I agree that it’s happening just as you said.”

    and

    “I agree that the non-white presence, in itself, contributes to the marginalization of whites and leads to the replacement of whites”

    And once AGAIN, my comments were never directed at Twinkie personally. You are not good at identifying the difference between generalities and personalities. The only thing failing to remain consistent or coherent is this staggering critique of yours.

    “And you are also putting words into his mouth.”

    Yeah, look who’s talking. You keep using the word “complain” to incorrectly define what I would call observation and inquiry. You have no answer to my questions, therefor you must deflect and obfuscate. You also have a bad habit of attributing all of my generalizations as personal attacks against other commenters (which is absurd,) as well as a peculiar obsession over my comments specifically, both of which are indicative of an individual with a dishonest agenda. Perhaps you are just a bored troll.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  256. Twinkie says:
    @silviosilver

    The problem is, you’re going to love them to death. Firstly, if every white woman followed your wife’s example, whites would cease to exist

    That’s reductio ad absurdum. Every white woman is not going to follow my wife’s example for a million reasons, including the fact that there are many more whites than there are Asians or even nonwhites. The fact of the matter is that most people are going to marry those who resemble them and happen to be in similar social circles. And given the population size disparity East Asians in America are going to disappear into whites long, long before whites are in danger of disappearing into another racial group. (In my wife’s entire extended family, for example, only two have married nonwhites – my wife and a female cousin of hers who went to Harvard Business School and married a Korean-American classmate. The rest are married to whites.)

    By the way, there is a fine history of different groups of people using intermarriage to cement alliances. That’s been going on as long as human beings have existed. It works, because it expands the size of one’s in-group and enhances the (now joined) group’s power.

    But from today’s vantage point, I must say I’m in awe of their firmness of resolve

    “Firmness of resolve”? Are you joking? The Nazis were wildly consistent, haphazard, and illogical. Much of the Holocaust was little more than organized murder and widespread theft by greedy men of the SS (much of the confiscated Jewish wealth disappeared into the pockets of the SS officers and officials rather than put toward the vital war effort). Hitler’s dear friend and bodyguard/driver who “cuckolded” him with his reputed lover (and, quite grossly, his half-niece) Geli Raubal was of Jewish descent, as were numerous officials and military officers. Look up Emil Maurice and Erhard Milch for starters.

    And the Nazis wasted enormous amount of manpower and transport capacity on the Holocaust and on oppressing the hitherto anti-Soviet Ukrainians instead of harnessing every resource they had available to fight the Soviet Union, whose soldiers eventually would go on to conquer eastern Germany, carry off everything that was not nailed down (and even things that were nailed down) as reparations, and mass-rape German women in an incredible, vile orgy of violence (raping little girls in front of their fathers and brothers and then shooting them, etc.).

    As a student of military history, I have had a long and fine appreciation of the high fighting quality of the early 20th century German soldiers, the brilliance of many of their generals, and the unquestioned operational and tactical genius produced by their military system, but on the whole, far from being cleared-eyed, realistic men, the Nazis were an irrational, stupid, and evil bunch who inflicted disasters upon their enemies and a worse catastrophe on their own people.

    Twinkles, if my words here are infuriating to you, I’m sincerely sorry for that.

    I appreciate the sentiment, but there is no need. I am not infuriated – I just think some of the “solutions” proposed by some on this thread are unrealistic and counterproductive. If you really cared for my feelings so much, though, I would ask you to refer me to my chosen internet name “Twinkie” rather than something else.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  257. Twinkie says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You’re a very fortunate man, Mr. Twinkie. I admire you.

    Indeed, sir! I have been extremely blessed, a fact of which I am keenly aware and for which I am very grateful to God, to this country, and to my family and friends.

    Although I sincerely appreciate your kind words, the man who deserve admiration is my grandfather-in-law. That man was a gentleman, a reluctant, but fierce warrior, a loving and kind patriarch, and a humble and devoted member of his community. Surely he was no saint and no doubt he had some minor flaws common to all human beings, but I never saw them, and I respected and revered him.

    He was a credit to his family and his nation, and today I raise my sons to emulate their great-grandfather.

  258. Truth says:

    If you really cared for my feelings so much, though, I would ask you to refer me to my chosen internet name “Twinkie” rather than something else.

    LOL, once again, you guys have had me rolling on the floor since before lunchtime at work. This shit needs to be a Broadway show. I don’t see why minorities think WNs are humorless.

    Gentlemen, thank you , and goodnight.

    • Replies: @iffen
  259. Twinkie says:
    @Truth

    Tell the truth though, Twinx; it did feel kinda-good having an excuse to write it on a public forum though…

    Degrading other human beings doesn’t make things better for me or improve my lot. All it does is corrode and twist my own soul and turns me into an uglier human being.

    You should stop projecting racial enmity unto others. Contrary to what you may observe in a niche community online, insulting black people is far from the minds of most ordinary non-blacks in real life, because they are busy living.

    But since you raised the issue obliquely, in my personal experience (for whatever that is worth), that kind of racial animus and projecting of the same unto others seem to afflict blacks more than any other ethno-racial group of people in this country.

    • Replies: @Truth
  260. Twinkie says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    It is derisive. It conjures mental images of goose stepping brown shirts worshiping Hilter.

    Perhaps I should not have assumed that you knew the difference between white nationalism (or separatism) and white supremacism.

    This is an exaggeration.

    What is an exaggeration? Are there not “militant white nationalists” on this very thread (and certainly on Unz as a whole) who debate on using force to achieve a white ethno-state?

    Even so, is it a “morally negative judgement” to forcibly remove disruptive and parasitic individuals from the boundaries of your home and or property

    The key word there is “individuals.” We have a mechanism for removing transgressive individuals who disrupt the peace of the society and exile them. It’s called law enforcement.

    What you are alluding to is not that at all – it’s guilt-by-birth/skin color or guilt-for-breathing.

    How is it more moral to continue to allow non-white “citizens” of this country to continue to marginalize whites, out breed whites, replace whites, and legislate against whites?

    Granted, my wife and I have many more children than the white norm (though we have fewer than many white-white families in our religious community), but how are we “marginalizing… replacing, and legislating against whites?”

    Again, there are certainly wild-eyed activist-types who harbor such intents, but you seem to vastly exaggerate their number. Again, to me, the most salient socio-political struggle today appears to be that between Goodwhites and Badwhites, not whites vs. nonwhites. Hispanics and Asians are still politically quite marginal. Blacks punch far above their weight in political power, but would be impotent nationally without an alliance with Goodwhites. The real fight seems to what kind of whites are going to be in control of the political levers in this country, with most other ethno-racial players being auxiliaries at best.

    The problem with your argument is that you seem to believe that force and violence are automatically immoral under all circumstances.

    I am perfectly content to unleash violence upon our external enemies and have done so personally. But domestically? I forget who wrote this (I think it was Cicero, perhaps?), but an ancient saying goes, “Let us fight every people in the world, but avoid civil strife.”

    From the study of history, I know that civil wars are extremely destructive. Our Civil War of 1861-1865 was perhaps one of the gentlest in the history of man, but it still managed to kill more Americans than all our other wars combined. Other civil wars weren’t so gentle (e.g. the Thirty Years’ War, which was essentially a German sectarian civil war, depopulated many regions and bankrupted just about all who were involved). I have also seen in person civil wars in my overseas misadventures and they inflict horrendous evil upon their societies while achieving nothing positive.

    Perhaps if I were a single young man I might get a thrill at the idea of smiting my domestic opponents with force (and believe me, I do occasionally get my Francoist/Falangist fantasies about the left in this country), but anyone who has a wife, children, and a family would be insane to want to expose their loved ones to mass violence in our own country, not least because in a civil war the young and the frail die first.

    There is only one solution left that has not been tried, and that is repatriation. Nothing else will solve the issue. That is the reality, and you (and many others) will have to decide what is more important, your egalitarian urges, or your practical understanding that sometimes in order for something to survive a hard choice has to be made.

    Several decades ago, black bastardy rate was lower than the white bastardy rate today (it was still much higher than the white bastardy rate of its day, to be clear). The point is that – even in absence of blacks – our society today is sick. We need to change the culture, which, granted, is an extremely difficult task. But I believe I offered a couple of suggestions elsewhere on this blog.

    Unless one is a bloodthirsty megalomaniac, expulsion of large groups of citizens is a nonstarter. Before you even think that grandiosely, how about some productive thoughts on how to achieve 1) immigration restriction and 2) deportation of persons who are in this country in contravention of the law and the wishes of the majority of the citizens?

  261. Twinkie says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Thanks for your comment. Glad you’re here, and best wishes to you and your family.

    Thank you for the warm regards and likewise.

  262. Twinkie says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    It’s equally sad that you must seek validation from one of the more loathsome trolls here at Unz

    Stop with the stupid internet psychology. It’s really churlish and annoying.

    I was merely pointing out that even that silly troll understood what I wrote better than some people on the thread.

    And, as a general principle, have you ever heard the expression, “You should listen to even your enemies when they are being right”?

    BTW, the USA’s current standard of LEGAL immigration is reckless.

    Who on this thread disagrees with this?

  263. Mexico says:
    @silviosilver

    Which reminds me, maybe Twinkie is Ron Huruichi from Ruby Ridge?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  264. Twinkie says:
    @Mexico

    Ron Huruichi

    It’s hilarious that you’d mix up an R with an L like a stereotypical Japanese.

    The FBI agent in question was Lon Horiuchi. He’s 64. I’m in my late 40’s.

    Have you considered doing a 5-second internet search before commenting?

  265. iffen says:
    @Rosie

    figure out how they convinced themselves that this was anything other than atrocious barbarism

    Atrocious barbarism is part of the human package. All that is needed is the right environment to call it forth and money is the uber Siren song.

  266. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Spanish and Portuguese rule versus in the US

    It was the sugar plantations that made the difference. I haven’t read about the conditions in the sugar plantations in Louisiana though. Economically, I don’t know how they could have competed with the Sugar Islands if they were any different. The early years in SC were pretty bad too because they worked them in gangs year round in rice then indigo. Once Britain ended the slave trade and the US prohibited new imports the money was in producing as many homegrown slaves as possible. This was the heyday of encouraging family formation, small gardens and providing sufficient resources for a healthy population.

  267. iffen says:
    @Talha

    I haven’t read on the subject, but it could have been a step up for some of the women. Kind of like white prole girls “marrying up” to black men that have a decent job.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  268. iffen says:
    @Rosie

    How about this? Apropos?

    Matthew 5

    40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

    If they demand your house should you also give them your car?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  269. @Truth

    What’s that, Negative Action?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Truth
    , @Stan d Mute
  270. Rosie says:
    @iffen

    How about this? Apropos?

    Not really. Once again, if we could live up to these standards and manage to get along in the world, we wouldn’t need a Savior. Jesus is not a Teacher/Exemplar, He is a Redeemer. Those who say otherwise are rightly considered heretics.

    • Replies: @Truth
  271. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Sure. In the pre-modern world, you knew pretty much who the alpha society was if it was able to make slaves of or procure slaves from others. Sucks, but that’s how it worked.

    In the Muslim society, it would also be people with money that could afford slaves, not your average baker or water-fetcher.

    For instance, the Ottoman elite (not just the sultans by the way) at some point began to exclusively sire offspring with concubines (European and Caucasian ones being highly prized). These were procured a few ways; vassal Tatar Khanates were exceptional slave raiders and merchant people like the Venetians (who would’ve sold their own mothers for the right price) were also a regular source for those with enough coin. These concubines lived lives far and above the normal free woman of the realm.

    Peace.

  272. iffen says:

    like the Venetians (who would’ve sold their own mothers for the right price)

    Tsk, tsk, like they are the only guilty ones.

    • Replies: @Talha
  273. iffen says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Knee-grow antipathy.

    It’s a rare condition but it does exist in the wild.

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Truth
  274. Talha says:
    @iffen

    They aren’t. Just the most flagrant that I can think of.

    Have you read about their role in the disastrous 4th Crusade?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  275. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Mike, I’m content to allow your own comments to characterize themselves. I trust readers will be rather easily able to discern who is being objective and forthright and who is being irrational, inconsistent and defensive.

    as well as a peculiar obsession over my comments specifically, both of which are indicative of an individual with a dishonest agenda.

    Yeah, you got me, lol. As a matter of fact though, I initiated “contact” with you precisely once on this thread, and only when your absurdities became too much for me. In general, I prefer to completely ignore you, and simply hope you go away, since I regard you as a very poor (indeed counterproductive) advocate for white interests – a point only made worse by your inability to take criticism.

    I doubt we’ll be speaking again. Have a nice life.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  276. @Twinkie

    That’s reductio ad absurdum.

    No, the point is crucial to the entire discussion. You either don’t know enough about it or a being disingenuous (which would be understandable, since the entire topic would quite reasonably seem threatening and/or offensive to you personally).

    “Firmness of resolve”? Are you joking?

    I’m not defending their actions. Nor am I claiming that firmness of resolve would, of itself, immunize one against errors. You’d be quite right to point out that it was their extreme determination which got them into their fix, but for me that doesn’t take away the admiration I have for their willingness to do what they (tragically incorrectly) thought necessary. Removed from the hellish WWII context, it’s easy to regard such determination as admirable.

    If you really cared for my feelings so much, though, I would ask you to refer me to my chosen internet name “Twinkie” rather than something else.

    Lol. Look ya humorless bastard, maybe things worked differently in Korea, but where I grew up, complaining about a nickname was a guarantee that it would stick.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Stan d Mute
    , @Twinkie
  277. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    You should stop projecting racial enmity unto others.

    that kind of racial animus and projecting of the same unto others seem to afflict blacks more than any other ethno-racial group of people in this country.

    Hmmmmmm.

  278. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Joo gatti maine!

    NA is the reason AA was enacted; point- counterpoint.

    • Replies: @iffen
  279. Truth says:
    @Rosie

    Now Rosie, I will be the first to admit that I am FAR from a biblical scholar. I will also tell you that my strenght in life, and probably my only strength in life, is in reading and watching and making logical conclusions.

    Do I know that God will not let thieves into prison but will let sodomites in, or vice versa? No.

    But I have made the logical deduction that if the Old Covenant had no significance, it probably wouldn’t be in the Bible.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  280. Truth says:
    @iffen

    “Knee” technically starts with a “K” but it was a good attempt so I gave it my LOL for the hour anyway.

  281. Truth says:
    @silviosilver

    Lol. Look ya humorless bastard, maybe things worked differently in Korea, but where I grew up, complaining about a nickname was a guarantee that it would stick.

    Again Big Twinx, I , back in gotta second that one. Back in Queens, that was almost certainty.

    I guess this is one of those situations where the white and black man have more in common than the white and yellow man.

  282. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Debt slavery…not worth it. It seems better and more dignified (even if tragic) to just live within your means and not beg someone for money that they are just going to turn around and use to club you over the head or humiliate you with. From what I have read Turkey is trying a different model, but it’s really only doing it with fellow Muslim nations in Africa at the moment:
    “Successive natural disasters, and an apparent lack of compassion from rich nations, have taught Somalis a hard lesson: to strive for self-reliance.
    ‘They call it humanitarian aid but we call it dead aid; meaning it’s intended to kill,’ says Abdifatah. ‘They brag about helping us and take credit for things that are not even beneficial.’…Since 2011, Turkey has sent almost $1 billion in aid to Somalia. After the emergency was over, Turkish companies launched into major infrastructure projects, building roads, hospitals and the port. Turkish Airlines is the only international carrier that flies to Mogadishu. Turkey has cemented its place in the hearts of the Somali people, who watch its soap operas and buy its products.
    Evidence suggests that Western nations sent more money than Turkey. For instance, the UK alone spent $148 million in Somalia in 2017-18. But while Somali elites may talk about money spent by the West on promoting democracy and security, ordinary Somalis are unlikely to be able to name one thing. Asked about Turkey, they would give a long list. Simply, ordinary citizens feel the Turkish presence in the country is improving their lives.”
    https://newint.org/features/2018/04/01/turkey-somalia-humanitarian-aid

    Their initiatives seem to be more cooperative and with the aim to turn everything over to the locals with full knowledge transfer:
    “Habtamu Bekele, the company’s site engineer, who spoke to Anadolu Agency by phone, said the electrified rail project had unique attributes.
    ‘I have worked with various international infrastructure contractors for many years; what is unique about Turkish professionals is that they are willing to transfer their skills, and quality is not compromised,’ he said.”

    https://www.dailysabah.com/economy/2017/08/02/turkish-construction-giant-eyes-more-africa-projects-after-ethiopia-tanzania-railways

    “One of them is the Somalia-Turkey Training and Research Hospital established in 2015 in Mogadishu, which offered at least 67,000 locals healthcare service last year alone. TIKA provided the hospital with equipment and supplies to offer quality healthcare services. Under an agreement, the hospital is being operated jointly for five years, with the Turkish Health Ministry providing specialized personnel and financial support, after which the hospital will be run by Somalia alone.”

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/turkish-hospitals-in-africa-serve-hundreds-of-thousands/694872

    I do hope the West disengages more so that places like Turkey can fill in the vacuum. I think Iran is a good candidate also once some of the politics get cleared and economic pressure is off them.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  283. @silviosilver

    Lol. Look ya humorless bastard, maybe things worked differently in Korea, but where I grew up, complaining about a nickname was a guarantee that it would stick.

    He wants to be one of our gang so much, we’re just giving him what he says he wants. Pretty much looks like he’s stuck with Twinkles from here on..

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Twinkie
  284. @Achmed E. Newman

    What’s that, Negative Action?

    Nappy Afro

  285. Talha says:
    @iffen

    By the way – possibly of interest and related. There is a well-known incident that took place at the time of Caliph Umar (ra). The Rashidun armies had been expanding at a rapid rate and the Levant and Persia were under Muslim control – I believe this is before the campaign against the Byzantines in Egypt, but not sure.

    Any way, many of the governors and military commanders started marrying the local women (considering them to be quite beautiful) who were People of the Book. Umar (ra) felt that if the elites among the Muslims would set this precedent, many of the regular Muslim men would follow and the Muslim women would have a difficult time finding husbands. So he ordered those men under his command and administration to divorce these wives.

    All but one complied – who complied later after debating the issue with Umar (ra).

    Peace.

  286. Talha says:
    @silviosilver

    a few deer hunting yokels trying to cut off a major city are going to frighten the US armed forces into submission.

    Everyone here is well aware that the person at the head of the most powerful air force in the world is not a White guy, right?
    “Gen. David Goldfein will become the second Jew to command the U.S. Air Force. His appointment as air force chief of staff was announced Tuesday by the Pentagon.”
    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/americas/.premium-gen-david-goldfein-to-be-second-jewish-u-s-air-force-chief-1.5376412

    These are things that have to be taken into the calculus. And I’m glad you are raising these points.

    I’ll raise another one. A simple one…

    How many of you guys, that want to go the expulsion route have been able to convince your family members that this is the correct option forward? I’m not talking some far away, distant cousin. I’m talking basics; wife, husband, brother, sister, your children, father, mother, grandparents, your grandchildren, uncles, aunts, in-laws…

    The people who know and trust you most and literally have blood ties to you above and beyond any other random person of your ethnic background. How many have your back in this? How many have you been able to even discuss this openly with – rather than on an anonymous internet forum?

    Feel free to round up.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Mr. Rational
  287. Talha says:
    @Truth

    The CIA instigated crack war between black gangs.

    Big time. I think the money was used to fund off-the-books stuff in South America.

    Inglewood, CA is still 44% black

    I used to live in Inglewood – that’s sounds about the same as I remember. Might have changed by 5% or so in the last 15 years since I left. Not much.

    But there is a change for sure. For instance, my brother and I were involved in helping this free clinic when it started (not a whole lot, but some minor stuff):
    http://www.ummaclinic.org/

    The first patients were almost all Black, but I remember it started changing over the years and Latinos were more of the patients over time.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  288. Talha says:
    @Talha

    How many have you been able to even discuss this openly with

    Also – sobriety is an implicit prerequisite in the question.

  289. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Have you read about their role in the disastrous 4th Crusade?

    Books on the Crusades are in my reading queue.

    If God has a sense of humor, feels indulgent, forgives my blasphemies and lets me live to 102, I will finally get to them.

    • Replies: @Talha
  290. iffen says:
    @Truth

    NA is the reason AA was enacted

    Negro assimilation? acclimation?

    BTW, Truth, FWIW, I think AA was the right thing to do 50 years ago. Today, not so much.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Mr. Rational
  291. Rosie says:
    @Truth

    But I have made the logical deduction that if the Old Covenant had no significance, it probably wouldn’t be in the Bible.

    The Old Covenant has tremendous significance, just not in the way you imagine. The purpose of the Law is to demonstrate human inadequacy by prosecuting our shortcomings, this laying the foundation for the New Covenant.

  292. Truth says:
    @iffen

    I agree with you ONE HUNNIT PERCENT!

    • LOL: Rosie
    • Replies: @iffen
  293. Talha says:
    @iffen

    If you can spare a few minutes, this sums it up pretty well:

    Peace.

  294. Truth says:
    @Talha

    Yes, but it isn’t the people that are asking for money, it is the local “leaders” who are CIA trolls anyway. They take the money and spend it on mansions and very little trickles down. In exchange the US, China or whomever get to exploit the cheap labor build an airport, an oilfiield, and a headquarters…. and celebrate building a road between them.

    It’s good to know that the Turks are doing good things.

    The oddest thing that I recall about being in Turkey is that right in the middle of touristy Istanbul, where all of the nice resturants are, you see dozens of big massive dogs running around. These are stray dogs and they ALL look like those manicured purebreads from the dog shows. I am not exaggerating about this.

    I asked what the deal was to a Turk, and he said that Turks basically treat stray animals like their pets, feed them, wash them, brush them, etc. and I have never seen stray dogs so well behaved. Very strange. But says something about the people.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  295. Truth says:
    @Talha

    Yes, these were heavily majority-black neighborhoods and there is now parity, but there were always some Hispanics in Compton, Inglewood and Watts. These guys don’t get this. This whole family about the Mexican Mafia calling for fatwas on blacks is all stupid shit. We have enough problems on our own.

    • Agree: Talha
  296. Truth says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Twinkles that’s GREAT news, bruh!

    Yo, The Capo of the Nazi gang said you was in! I heard he was a real OG, Yo stripes and shit, and if he say you in, you in!

    Now you know I’m up in Crip Pod G. I’on’t really know how the Pekkawoods handle they business, but the word on the yard is once the OG punch yo card, you just ripe to audition, naa- mean? You gotta go get a body on yo name now, or put some kinda Gutta work in fo yo’ Crew to get full membaship G. This ish don’t come EZ…

  297. iffen says:
    @Truth

    Hunnert, Truth, you would never make it as a knee-grow in my neck of the woods.

  298. iffen says:
    @Truth

    Schoolmarm needs to come down on Pekkawood or she’s got some ‘splaining to do.

  299. Talha says:
    @Truth

    It’s good to know that the Turks are doing good things.

    I’m sure there is some quasi-Ottoman impetus to it (I believe they are taking over the old bases that the US abandoned in Qatar), but thus far it seems like a serious cooperative with some sort of parity. I hope this model brings more people into the mix.

    With the right mix – Turkish infrastructure capability plus investment from the Gulf states with a view to hand over everything to locals to make them self-sufficient – I believe that area of Africa can do well, with dignity and within their means. Definitely a lot of potential. That will also help stem the immigration influx everyone in the West is concerned about.

    These are stray dogs and they ALL look like those manicured purebreads from the dog shows. I am not exaggerating about this.

    I don’t doubt it. Those that have been to Istanbul can report about their love for stray dogs…

    And cats:

    The people have tasked the government with roving vet clinics to take care of the animals:

    Peace.

  300. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Also regarding “big massive dogs” in Turkey. One of the biggest breeds I have ever read about is the Turkish Kangal – absolutely massive dog. I think they breed it to mind and protect sheep in the mountains from wolves and bears…

    Peace.

  301. iffen says:
    @Truth

    once again, you guys have had me rolling on the floor since before lunchtime at work

    You seem to spend a lot of time here while at “work.”

    Mano a mano, Truth, how can you be certain that you are not a token?

    • Replies: @Truth
  302. Truth says:
    @iffen

    Yep. My pay is too low.

    I’ve heard those guys rake in the bucks, but then I’ve never met one.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
  303. iffen says:
    @Truth

    IMO you have earned your tag.

  304. iffen says:
    @Truth

    Yep. My pay is too low.

    Of course you do know that “they” know some tokens are smarter than others, right?

    • Replies: @Truth
  305. Truth says:
    @iffen

    Well if I’m smarter than the dumbest white guy who earned his job, I’m not a token.

    • Replies: @iffen
  306. @Twinkie

    “Perhaps I should not have assumed that you knew the difference between white nationalism (or separatism) and white supremacism.”

    Perhaps you should image search the term “white nationalist.” 10 of the first 12 images contain Nazi or neo-nazi imagery at duckduck go. I know the difference between nationalist and supremacism. Do you know the difference between perception and reality?

    “What is an exaggeration? Are there not “militant white nationalists” on this very thread (and certainly on Unz as a whole) who debate on using force to achieve a white ethno-state?”

    The term militant is an exaggeration until someone actually takes forcible action. No commenters here have used force or called for the use of force in the effort to achieve a “white ethnostate.” You’re using the term to assign extremism.

    “The key word there is “individuals.”

    No. The key words is sovereignty, and it applies to both individuals and countries.

    “We have a mechanism for removing transgressive individuals who disrupt the peace of the society and exile them. It’s called law enforcement.”

    What are you, joking? You’re suggesting that immigration laws are enforced? You’re suggesting that the mayor of just about every large city in the United States hasn’t ordered their police force to ignore federal immigration laws? Illegal aliens move, work, and commit crime with near impunity. Violent black offenders in large cities with dozens of arrests and multiple convictions serve reduced sentences and walk free on a daily basis. The criminal justice system in our country is broken beyond repair. And the last thing it protects are white Americans.

    “What you are alluding to is not that at all – it’s guilt-by-birth/skin color or guilt-for-breathing.”

    Wrong, this is what my kind have been subject to.

    “Granted, my wife and I have many more children than the white norm (though we have fewer than many white-white families in our religious community), but how are we “marginalizing… replacing, and legislating against whites?”

    That’s right, never spare an opportunity to pat yourself on the back. That’s our Twinkie. I’m not speaking to YOU. I’m speaking to the growing POC population of this country, and their POC representatives in congress, and their POC mouthpieces in the MSM.

    “Again, to me, the most salient socio-political struggle today appears to be that between Goodwhites and Badwhites, not whites vs. nonwhites. ”

    Are you not following the demographic shift in congress? It will soon be Sailer’s coalition of the fringes vs. allwhites.

    “Several decades ago, black bastardy rate was lower than the white bastardy rate today (it was still much higher than the white bastardy rate of its day, to be clear). ”

    This is when blacks were under intensive local authority. Are you suggesting a return to such an arrangement?

    “The point is that – even in absence of blacks – our society today is sick. ” And this validates my prediction that you have no answer for the black problem, as you call it.

    “Unless one is a bloodthirsty megalomaniac, expulsion of large groups of citizens is a nonstarter. Before you even think that grandiosely, ”

    Expelling groups of people may be a non starter, but it’s the only way the country would remain intact.

    “how about some productive thoughts on how to achieve 1) immigration restriction and 2) deportation of persons who are in this country in contravention of the law and the wishes of the majority of the citizens?”

    Speaking of non-starters. We could halt all immigration today and remove all illegal aliens tomorrow, but the legal “citizens” left behind are already more than enough to demographically alter this country’s population irreparably. And it doesn’t address at all the negro question and how our young people are programmed to idolize and worship them.

    The collapse and violence are coming.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  307. iffen says:
    @Truth

    We don’t know that. How do you know that?

    • Replies: @Truth
  308. Truth says:
    @iffen

    How do you know that I am not smarter than the smartest?

    • Replies: @iffen
  309. @silviosilver

    “since I regard you as a very poor (indeed counterproductive) advocate for white interests ”

    LOL if you’re an advocate for white interests, then whites are certainly doomed.

    “a point only made worse by your inability to take criticism. ”

    What you attempted was not criticism, it was misrepresentation.

    “I doubt we’ll be speaking again.”

    One can only hope.

  310. @Talha

    How many of you guys, that want to go the expulsion route have been able to convince your family members that this is the correct option forward?

    One does not have to convince them.  One just has to use sufficient force to make it happen, and silence the objectors.

    You know, the way “integration” and “affirmative action” were forced on Whites?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Truth
  311. @iffen

    I think AA was the right thing to do 50 years ago.

    No, it wasn’t.  Even then, the facts which proved that AA would fail were known.  Perhaps some small trial would have been proper to do just to rebut the skeptics, but even then everyone with a clue knew that the nation-wide effort would turn out to be the disaster that it is.

  312. Talha says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Pistol whip grandma, eh?

    Well, whatever works, I guess. So, can I assume the number you report is zero?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  313. @Talha

    A question dishonestly asked does not require an answer other than “phawk yew”.  Force is one way of saying it.

    • Replies: @Talha
  314. Twinkie says:
    @silviosilver

    No, the point is crucial to the entire discussion. You either don’t know enough about it or a being disingenuous (which would be understandable, since the entire topic would quite reasonably seem threatening and/or offensive to you personally).

    See this graph:
    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/pst_2017-05-15-intermarriage-01-11/
    Intermarriage for black and whites have increased, but that for Asians has fallen (Hispanic rate increased negligibly).

    Lol. Look ya humorless bastard, maybe things worked differently in Korea, but where I grew up, complaining about a nickname was a guarantee that it would stick.

    I stopped finding that kind of “humor” funny in junior high school. But carry on.

    I don’t care what you call me. I usually make that request as a sort of a filter – to see whether I am conversing with a troll or someone who has a sincere interest in a dialogue. Most civilized people accede to such a request. Juvenile trolls will run with it.

  315. Twinkie says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Perhaps you should image search the term “white nationalist.” 10 of the first 12 images contain Nazi or neo-nazi imagery at duckduck go.

    Perhaps you should go complain to those who created that impression, you know, people like Richard Spencer, a bona fide, Sieg-Heil-ing white supremacist who donned the mantle of white nationalism to make himself sound more likeable.

    I am a “strict constructionist.” Words have specific meanings. I can’t help that you are swayed by popular – and misinformed – impressions of those words.

    The term militant is an exaggeration until someone actually takes forcible action. No commenters here have used force or called for the use of force in the effort to achieve a “white ethnostate.” You’re using the term to assign extremism.

    Militant as a noun requires use of force (e.g. “a Hezbollah militant”), but as an adjective it’s used to describe people who fall on the extreme edge of a spectrum (e.g. “militant socialist”). If I scream “Death to America” and constantly talk about launching attacks against America as an Islamist, that makes me a militant (or radical) Islamist whether or not I actually donned a suicide bomb vest and jumped into a shopping center in Nebraska.

    You’ve written repeatedly about forcibly expelling fellow American citizens based on race. That IS a militantly white nationalist position.

    I’m not speaking to YOU. I’m speaking to the growing POC population of this country

    So I am white now?

    This is when blacks were under intensive local authority. Are you suggesting a return to such an arrangement?

    I was a fan of this sheriff’s (RIP) view on law enforcement:

    We could halt all immigration today and remove all illegal aliens tomorrow

    Then go and pick this low-hanging fruit before you talk of race wars. Or do you need an immigrant to pick that fruit for you?

    The collapse and violence are coming.

    You are not God and you don’t know what’s coming. It just sounds like that’s what you want.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  316. Twinkie says:
    @Stan d Mute

    He wants to be one of our gang so much, we’re just giving him what he says he wants.

    No thanks. I have a gang of my own. They are the people with whom I am raising and educating my children.

    Enjoy your gang of two.

  317. iffen says:
    @Truth

    How do you know that I am not smarter than the smartest?

    You might be. As I stated, I would have no way of knowing.

    It’s okay if you don’t want to address the subject. Maybe I’ll ask Talha, he seems to spend a lot of time here during normal work hours.

    I was just curious. Being a WPP, I’ve never faced that existential question since I know that my position was given to me because of my privilege.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Truth
  318. Talha says:
    @Mr. Rational

    My first question was actually quite serious in import with a bit of levity added at the end. My second question, in reply to your response (which didn’t really give me much substance to work with – and left me with a mental of image of one pistol-whipping their uncooperative grandmother as an example in front of their cousins*), was obviously facetious.

    It’s OK though, I think I got the answer I was expecting anyway.

    Peace.

    *Another image that comes to mind after your last response is cutting off Aunt Susie’s fingers one at a time until Uncle Joe finally goes all in on the plan.

  319. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Maybe I’ll ask Talha, he seems to spend a lot of time here during normal work hours.

    My work is project based so as long as I hit timelines, I’m good. Which means making up for some time I spend here after the kids and wife are asleep or early in the morning.

    Also, will have to cut down some since they just gave me more responsibilities.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  320. iffen says:
    @Talha

    My work is project based

    Well, that explains the time flexibility. But it does not answer the question that Truth didn’t answer. Have you pondered whether you are a token? If so, how were you able to answer the question?

    • Replies: @Talha
  321. Talha says:
    @iffen

    I don’t think I’m a token. When I did my job interview, the guy who I was replacing was smiling about how closely I filled his shoes in his role and skills.

    Do I deserve my position? No, but God is generous even to lesser deserving of His creation and distributes His bounty as He deems fit.

    Peace.

  322. Truth says:
    @iffen

    I was hired in my current position without meeting anyone from the company face-to-face. I live in Albuquerque, my comany headquarters is in Virginia. I finally met my direct supervisor, who is in Dallas, last week after almost a year. They saw my resume and made me an offer after 5 minutes on the phone, and my name and diction are, I would say, fairly neutral.

    I work consulting a federal agency, and to say the least my work ethic requirements are, well, lax.

    As for you getting a job because of your privilege, I am not sure if you are joking or not but let me let you in on an unfortunate secret, Old Sport, the chances of you achieving that are much higher than the chances of me doing the same.

    Of course the Unzistas reading this would disagree, but then again they truly believed when they voted for Camacho 2 years ago that he was going to “drain the swamp.”

    • Replies: @iffen
  323. iffen says:
    @Truth

    I work consulting a federal agency, and to say the least my work ethic requirements are, well, lax.

    Now you are just trying to ingratiate yourself with the Unzistas.

    As for you getting a job because of your privilege,

    It is my understanding that the privilege works for all of us, all the time, in every situation; even for those of us in the pekkawood brigade.

    In regards to the question of tokenism, the privilege definitely means that a WPP, such as me, never has to ask the question. Whereas, I assume that POCs with an introspective bent would, at some point, give it some thought. Not having to confront the question is just one of the benefits that are denied to POCs. I mean, I don’t have to drag around a two hundred pound pick-sack full of cotton all day like black Americans do and believe me that is a definite privilege. I know whereof I speak. Lived experience as they say these days.

    • Replies: @Truth
  324. @Truth

    Yo, Token, why you be replyen to me den callin out Twinkles en sheit doh?

    • Replies: @Truth
  325. Truth says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Dude, FAR superior to your last attempt at Fred-Rollo/era ebonics. You must have watched a half-hour of BET this week.

    Kudos.

    • LOL: Talha, Mr. Rational
  326. Truth says:
    @iffen

    Old Sport, one thing that I have learned in my time in the American workforce is that there are lots of reasons that people get jobs. Extreme and obvious competence is one them… But it aint anywhere near the top of the list.

  327. @Twinkie

    “Perhaps you should go complain to those who created that impression, you know, people like Richard Spencer, a bona fide, Sieg-Heil-ing white supremacist who donned the mantle of white nationalism to make himself sound more likeable.”

    Thank you – This is a perfect example of your inability to ever concede that you are wrong. You deflect your mistake onto some other issue. The blame for the misinterpretation of the term “white nationalist” is irrelevant (as if the term was appropriately defined prior to Spencer’s arrival; give me a break,) what’s relevant is that most of the country associates it with Nazi imagery.

    “I am a “strict constructionist.” Words have specific meanings. I can’t help that you are swayed by popular – and misinformed – impressions of those words.”

    Actually, you pompous goof, I am also a strict constructionist. But that doesn’t mean I ignore the fact that most other people are not. Therefor when you use the term “white nationalist”, it matters less how you define it than how readers will perceive it. You’re a smart guy (just ask you) and you are also obsessed with holding what you perceive to be the purest moral position of any topic. That you would use rhetorical devices to assist in maintaining that position is natural, but doesn’t mean it won’t get called out.

    As for the rest of you reply, accept my apologies but it’s getting the tl;dr. I’ve spent too much time attempting to explain the same thing over and over. We’re talking past each other at this point.

    Whites are morally justified in having their own place in this world Twinkie, just as every other ethnic and or racial group are. Force would be morally justified to ensure that, if there were any places left that aren’t being being systematically overwhelmed by aliens. It is unfortunate that so many here, especially whites themselves, disagree with that. Sadly, we are past the point of sensible and or non violent course correction.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  328. Twinkie says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I’ve spent too much time attempting to explain the same thing over and over.

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/marriage-is-bliss/#comment-3093782

  329. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Actually, I will have to quarrel with you there, Old Sport.

    “Integration” and “affirmative action” were created by whites and forced upon others. Whites are, after all, the best at building long-range transportation systems, true?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Mr. Rational
  330. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Hey Truth (kind of off topic, but maybe not),

    Did you notice the white power hand symbol the alleged shooter in New Zealand made:

    You know what that’s the ancient occult sign for, right?

    This stuff is getting heated up now that guys like that are letting us know who their master is.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  331. Truth says:
    @Talha

    Good catch.

    “Apocalypse” is actually a misunderstood word. It is a Greek word that means, simply “uncovering”, as in; they will keep us in the dark for so long, and when they start letting us know what they are doing, we are in the apocalyptic period. The next period is “end times.”

    • Replies: @Talha
  332. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Wow – did not know the etymology, very insightful piece of knowledge. Thanks!

    Peace.

  333. @Twinkie

    If it’s not obvious, this is the polity I’m after in my “identitarianism” (labels create all kinds of problems). The primary reason I entertain the idea of white nationalism without advocating for it or being one myself is because I’m unsure of whether or not “implicit white majoritarianism” is viable. With differential birthrates and open borders, it obviously isn’t. Civic nationalism seems obviously non-viable. It is basically implicit white majoritarianism plus differential birthrates and open borders.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  334. @silviosilver

    If that’s the game in town–and realistically, it is–then the worst thing those who care about white posterity can do is not have children. Immigration moratorium, non-citizens out (after legal terms of stay expire), native TFR to replacement and implicit white majoritarianism remains viable.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  335. @silviosilver

    It’s tempting to think that, but the GSS shows church-attending Christian conservatives are far more likely to attribute differences in behaviors to genetics than secular atheists are. I don’t quite understand the mechanism for it–and neither does Stefan Molyneux, who ruminates over this with some frequency–but it is the case.

    Those same Christians are also much more opposed to open borders than secular atheists are.

    • Replies: @notanon
  336. Mo is an Israeli stooge. The guy worships shekels not Christ. How can anyone who supports Netanyahu be considered a Christian??

    Mo also thinks the (((1%))) pay entirely too much in taxes, and thinks poor granny and middle class gentiles social security and medicare should be yanked away to give to the MIC and Wall St. parasites.

    These people are not your friend. Stop idolizing them. These mfers worship the anti-Christ.

  337. @Audacious Epigone

    We’d also need a push to get minority TFR down well below replacement, especially NAM but unassimilables in general.  Those with Mexican and other ancestry can go back.  I’ve read some great articles about Mexican “dreamers” who speak no Spanish and found themselves repatriated, and wound up with ready-made jobs in call centers serving American clients.  Mexico has places for all of its wayward children and needs to step up and do right by them.

  338. @Mr. Rational

    The P.S. – Thernovith and BumbleJack were wrecked by Disney. And all of the Right was ritually humiliated, again.”><a title=”"reproductive” href="reproductive patterns of blacks aren't helping things, either.

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  339. Twinkie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    With differential birthrates and open borders, it obviously isn’t.

    I think differential birthrates is a “solvable” problem – already Hispanic birthrate in the U.S. has declined substantially and is barely replacement level as of 2017.

    And, as you probably know, Asian birth rates are already lower than that of whites in America.

    Demographically, the biggest issue is immigration, both legal and otherwise. Cut that spigot off, and many of the fears people here have will not materialize. Combined with a shifting definition of what it means to be white (i.e. more assimilated/mixed Asians and Hispanics identifying as whites, as already considerable fractions do), there would be demographic stability.

    This is why, in my view, ending mass immigration is of primary importance and is also a low-hanging fruit of sorts. It hurts all but the elites, and given an attractive messenger to carry it, should be a very strongly winning message.

    Now, the non-demographic issues – those of cultural shift (“homosexual marriage,” transgenderism, etc.) which, frankly, are ones that are mostly a white issue – they are more difficult to tackle, because of the near total control of the mainstream media by the left. People are what they watch these days.

  340. @Audacious Epigone

    I’d like to see what you meant to link there.

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  341. @Truth

    “Integration” and “affirmative action” were created by whites and forced upon others.

    Whites adopted de-jure segregation and Jim Crow in self-defense.  It was (((special people))) who pushed the blank slate theory and mixing, thinking they would be exempt; (((Franz Boas))) was almost single-handedly responsible for turning the field of anthropology into a Marxist wasteland where the likes of (((Stephen Jay Gould))) could label hard physical data about skull volumes “racist” and no one would dare to challenge him by re-measuring the specimens until he was dead.

    Whites are, after all, the best at building long-range transportation systems, true?

    Whites are the best at lots of things.  It doesn’t make them responsible for the way others use their talents and inventions against them.

    • Replies: @Truth
  342. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    White people are from a small area called “Europe.” where you see white people outside of Europe, that’s a phenomenon known as “integration.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  343. @Truth

    White people are from a small area called “Europe.”

    You forgot the block of Asia known as Russia east of the Urals.

    where you see white people outside of Europe, that’s a phenomenon known as “integration.”

    No, it’s known as “conquest”.  It’s a historically legitimate claim, and the only legitimate claim Israel has to its part of the Middle East.  Now shut up and go home, hasbara troll.

    • Replies: @Truth
  344. @Twinkie

    But you don’t really fall in love with something as large and abstract as a country or even an idea. You really fall in love with people.

    Which is why patriotism functions so much better in a country where “the people” makes sense as a concept. As currently constituted, “the peoples” is a much better way to describe the US.

  345. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    People of NW European descent are not going to summon the will to kick blacks out of the US. We’re too outbred and too morally concerned about a sense of fairness to do that short of some sort of apocalyptic economic collapse, and probably not even then. That after 400 years incorrigible incompatibilities remain, well, that’s what separate countries are for. Carve it up!

    • Disagree: iffen
    • Replies: @notanon
    , @Mr. Rational
  346. @216

    Boycotts won’t work. They’re the equivalent of telling a politician we aren’t going to vote for him because of X.

    What we need is something like Sleeping Giants that *publicly* hammers these companies as hard as the left does. That’s the equivalent of blowing up the pols’ phone lines or showing up with a mob outside his congressional office.

    • Replies: @notanon
  347. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    No, it’s known as “conquest”.

    Yes, just as when Quantavious moves into your neighborhood and beats you up, and strongly encourages you to leave, for scratching his bumper

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  348. @Mr. Rational

    With political dissolution, we could have something like the European situation over here–cosmopolitan very multiracial/multicultural (and affluent if highly unequal) smaller countries and far less urban, whiter, and not particularly wealthy but more egalitarian countries (ie NYC and nearby large cities along the eastern seaboard are like modern Britain, the upper mountain states like Hungary).

    Is it too much of a stretch to think that because birthrates within the US don’t vary that much by race any more, whites in a new upper mountain zone state, with DC just another place on the north American landmass, could close the gap with the urban multicultural states, thereby making both types of states (and others falling at various points in between) viable?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  349. @Twinkie

    Perhaps I should not have assumed that you knew the difference between white nationalism (or separatism) and white supremacism.

    It’s unfortunate that the intellectual totalitarians on the left and progressive right have effectively turned these into synonyms when they clearly should not be. White nationalism in the US is in practice very close to Polish or Finnish or Austrian nationalism in Europe. White supremacism is something much more akin to how the colonial powers operated during the height of colonialism–something that very few white nationalists want anything to do with and in fact think was a huge mistake in the first place.

  350. @Truth

    Schoolmarm disapproves of “pekkawood”.

    Schoolmarm is probably going to make a list of forbidden words that will auto-reject comments that include them.

    • Replies: @Truth
  351. notanon says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    the GSS shows church-attending Christian conservatives are far more likely to attribute differences in behaviors to genetics than secular atheists are. I don’t quite understand the mechanism for it

    blank slate is part of the secular atheist religion

  352. notanon says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    People of NW European descent are not going to summon the will to kick blacks out of the US. We’re too outbred and too morally concerned about a sense of fairness to do that

    agreed but if they knew the full scale of anti-white violence in white minority schools they’d bring back segregation the next day – because of fairness.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  353. Dr. Doom says:

    All I am saying is cut them to pieces before they slaughter you. Violence? Self defense more like! Look at the Boers in South Africa!
    I don’t hate anyone. Such histrionics! Are you all women?

  354. @Audacious Epigone

    People of NW European descent are not going to summon the will to kick blacks out of the US.

    Really?  The (((enemedia))) don’t seem to think so.  They go way out of their way to cover up Black criminality and memory-hole stories of Black-on-White crime.  This is so egregious that nobody (not even me) knows the names of the victims of the Wichita massacre but everyone in the USA has seen the names Trayvon Martin and even Emmett Till… probably several times just so far this year.  They are trying hard to keep a lid on White backlash.  Meanwhile, the pressure builds and the explosion will be far bigger when the preference cascade finally gets under way.

    We’re too outbred and too morally concerned about a sense of fairness to do that short of some sort of apocalyptic economic collapse, and probably not even then.

    When the dam breaks, expulsion or extermination will be seen as eminently fair, because it’s what Blacks (and their (((handlers)))) have done their best to do to us.

    We’re already seeing the lack of hand-wringing outside of the usual shitlibs following the Christchurch massacre.  Red pills and negro fatigue are rampant in the USA.  When it blows, a large part of America are going to say “I was waiting for this, time to get some while the getting’s good.”

  355. @Truth

    Blacks already do much worse without any provocation whatsoever, but they didn’t actually conquer Detroit:  they had it handed to them by a court system hostile to White people.  If it came down to an actual fight, Blacks would be removed quite easily (if sometimes bloodily) and segregation or removal would happen both rapidly and organically.

    Be honest for a second:  if segregation and refusing service or passage to alien ethnics became practicable again, do you think there aren’t huge swaths of America which wouldn’t put out the UNWELCOME mat?  It would only take a few more events like shootings at clubs on hip-hop night to get areas to ban both the attractive nuisance and the troublesome ethny itself.  Malls faced with skyrocketing crime and fleeing tenants would either ban Blacks or face shareholder lawsuits.  This is already well past due, and the only thing stopping it is a hostile government.

    • Replies: @Truth
  356. Truth says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    That’s what white prison gangs call themselves.

    You mean you want me to spell it right next time?

    • Replies: @iffen
  357. @Audacious Epigone

    With political dissolution, we could have something like the European situation over here–cosmopolitan very multiracial/multicultural (and affluent if highly unequal) smaller countries and far less urban, whiter, and not particularly wealthy but more egalitarian countries

    Differential productivity and natural resources would make the White countries far wealthier in a few short years; just being relieved of the burden of paying for the black and brown underclasses and defending from their crime would do wonders overnight.  If all it takes is a bad political system to make N. Korea fall so far behind its co-ethnic country to the south, just think of how much faster and worse the decline would be in the brown-majority sections of a former USA.

    Is it too much of a stretch to think that because birthrates within the US don’t vary that much by race any more, whites in a new upper mountain zone state, with DC just another place on the north American landmass, could close the gap with the urban multicultural states

    The Whites would immediately be way ahead.  They’re already vastly more productive, they’d be sitting on practically all the natural resources, and their quality of life would leap the instant they were un-shackled from the millstone of the NAM welfare-state clients and the meddling army of bureaucrats.

    thereby making both types of states (and others falling at various points in between) viable?

    The “multiracial/cosmopolitan” states are NOT viable without the White majority.  They’d either go racial-socialist and into Venezuela level starvation almost immediately, or have to impose some sort of dictatorship or oligarchy.  Practically all of the food and energy production is in the White hinterlands, and the Whites would waste no time in jacking up the sale price of natural gas and electricity to world levels in the ethnically-alien “cosmos”.  So what could the oligarchs do, with their vote-farmed masses getting restive as the EBT buys less and less and their thermostats literally get turned down to save money?  They’d have to turn to “population reduction”, that’s what.

    They’re already talking about that, but they intend to start with Whites first.  They do not want to be seen as Badthinkers who do it to the poor oppressed brown folk, which is why they are dead-set against dissolution of the American empire into its separate nations.

  358. Truth says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Constitution, Sport.

    Start working on that 2/3 majority.

  359. Constitution, Sport.

    The Constitution doesn’t bind Facebook, Apple or Twitter, Marsh v. Alabama notwithstanding.  It wouldn’t take much to un-bind every other private actor in the USA too.

    Start working on that 2/3 majority.

    We already have a 5/9 majority on the SCOTUS, and will soon have 6/9.  Just as McDonald told local governments they can’t ban handguns, we may soon have another decision saying governments can’t tell private persons and businesses who they have to associate and do business with.  That’s all it would take.

  360. iffen says:
    @Truth

    That’s what white prison gangs call themselves.

    So, hip knee-grows call each other n*gga, can we all use that if we spell it right? Everyone knows what peckerwood means, don’t try to play dumb, you’re not very good at it.

  361. @Achmed E. Newman

    The problem I see is that whether it’s the Chinese, dot-Indians, blacks or whomever, these groups think they are on an unstoppable roll now. Do they understand that they and their children may not like living in the country they make after they kick the white people out of power and control of the economy? I would bet a lot of the working people do understand that, but their “leaders” don’t give a damn, and are just spiteful and hungry for power. (The women involved especially don’t know what gives them their heat, their crossover SUVs, and their granite countertops. That goes for every race and ethnicity.)

    To immigrants and their descendants–“Why are you here?”

    It wasn’t to get raw land. It was because white guys (white goys) built a better nation–more prosperous, more free, more law abiding, than your own.

    At the personal, individual, level, this isn’t embarassing. “Hey those white guys over there have it going on, i’m going to throw in with them and be part of that.”

    But under Jewish minoritarianism–minorities good, majorities (especially white gentile ones) bad, oppressive–this does not compute. You need to be *proud* of your super-special minority-ness. And white-goys can’t have done anything good, they are oppressors!

    Instead, the white-goys just happened to end up in charge this piece of magic dirt that creates good things, and your wonderful minority-ness is rightfully wresting control from their oppressive grasp. What could go wrong?

    This is not an ideology that encourages clear thinking about why we have nice things.

    • Agree: GermanReader2

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