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https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1331635500944416768

Respectfully disagree. As long as the dollar doesn’t break, the system is sustainable. There has been a consolidation of power by the neo-liberal corporate wing of the Democrat party over the last four years.

This is a reality that goes widely unnoticed and unremarked upon, but it is undeniable. Bernie Sanders got 45% of the Democrat primary vote as a relative unknown in 2016, running against the anointed establishment candidate. After four years of enhancing his national ground game, his salience, and his familiarity, he managed only to garner 35% of the primary vote against an establishment candidate the establishment was reluctant and embarrassed to have to rally behind.

The progressive wing of the party has been locked out of everything in the incoming Biden administration. Instead, the pretense of DNC acrimony towards Chamber of Commerce and neocon Republicans has been dropped. To the chagrin of the impotent AOC/Sanders wing of the party, team Biden is considering several of these GOPe types for cabinet and staff positions inside the White House.

The Wokeism progressives have embraced has been weaponized against them. Some are beginning to figure it out:

But it’s too little, too late, and they lack the means to fight back against it. During the 2020 Democrat primaries, Bernie Sanders was forced to pathetically denounce Russia when his campaign was accused in bad faith of being helped by Russia. Because he had fully bought into the Russia collusion hoax, he had to accept the moral premise of those seeking his destruction. Now progressives will increasingly find themselves forced to pathetically denounce bad faith accusations of racism, sexism, and the rest made against them because they advanced, embraced, and legitimized the very Wokeism the power structure will now use as a cudgel against them.

Kamala Harris is an agent of Silicon Valley. Big Tech will be silencing genuine leftwing populism the same way it has silenced the right.

 
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  1. What few progressives understand is they lose relevancy when they fall into line behind establishment candidates. If all progressives would have sat out this last election or vote third party Biden would have lost. Then the DNC would have to take progressives seriously and move in their direction.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jay Fink


    If all progressives would have sat out this last election or vote third party Biden would have lost. Then the DNC would have to take progressives seriously and move in their direction.
     
    These people are not intelligent. They are world-saving radicals convinced of their own superiority. A cynical opponent will always win.

    Didn't the progressives watch Star Warts enough? They cite it so often. Yet fail they do, again and again.

    Replies: @A123

  2. To the chagrin of the impotent AOC/Sanders wing of the party,

    Gosh, Alexandra Ocasio Cortez has no idea of the power and influence that could be in her hands. If only she weren’t so stupid/clueless/unlearned.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Daniel H


    If only she weren’t so stupid/clueless/unlearned.
     
    And so unprincipled.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8889119/AOC-appears-cover-Vanity-Fair-says-shes-boogeyman-Dems.html

    DailyMail.com can reveal that she was gifted at least one of the looks - a $2,850 suit from Loewe.

    The total estimated retail cost of her outfits is more than $14,000.

    In one portion of the interview, she said 'dressing the part has been an unexpected struggle, but it’s also a way to connect with constituents' while wearing an $800 dress and $1,450 earrings.
     
    I don’t have any love for “progressivism” as such, but principled progressivism intelligently harnessed would be potent. But that’s a lot of missing contingencies.

    Of course, if right-wing populism were harnessed intelligently by an attractive, principled figure, it would be even more powerful, but that, too, is asking for a lot of preconditions.

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Bill
    @Daniel H

    Indeed, she could be as powerful as Cynthia McKinney.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Daniel H

    Bernie Sanders has garnered begrudging acceptance by the DNC over the last five years. Can you tell me what else his movement has gotten?

  3. “As long as the dollar doesn’t break, the system is sustainable.” A mighty big if given the current state of affairs. That the yen, euro or sterling don’t exactly look good either gives the dollar some respite but with every central bank crying for more ‘fiscal stimulus ‘as covid wrecks their economies ability to sustain more debt a breaking point is inevitable. Once one currency breaks the others will follow after a short ‘flight to safety’. The ‘cleanest dirty shirt’ will no longer suffice.

    We are entering uncharted waters with likely the most inept, incompetent man to ever hold high pubic office in America on his way in as Merkel is on her way out in Germany. Things are falling apart faster than patches can be applied. As Dr. Smith once said on ‘ Lost in Space’ ” we are doomed I tell you, doomed”

  4. They sold democratic voters on the idea that they needed a moderate to beat Trump though, if they were up against a normal Republican perhaps they would’ve taken their chances with Bernie.

  5. @Daniel H
    To the chagrin of the impotent AOC/Sanders wing of the party,

    Gosh, Alexandra Ocasio Cortez has no idea of the power and influence that could be in her hands. If only she weren't so stupid/clueless/unlearned.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Bill, @Audacious Epigone

    If only she weren’t so stupid/clueless/unlearned.

    And so unprincipled.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8889119/AOC-appears-cover-Vanity-Fair-says-shes-boogeyman-Dems.html

    DailyMail.com can reveal that she was gifted at least one of the looks – a $2,850 suit from Loewe.

    The total estimated retail cost of her outfits is more than $14,000.

    In one portion of the interview, she said ‘dressing the part has been an unexpected struggle, but it’s also a way to connect with constituents’ while wearing an $800 dress and $1,450 earrings.

    I don’t have any love for “progressivism” as such, but principled progressivism intelligently harnessed would be potent. But that’s a lot of missing contingencies.

    Of course, if right-wing populism were harnessed intelligently by an attractive, principled figure, it would be even more powerful, but that, too, is asking for a lot of preconditions.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Twinkie


    Of course, if right-wing populism were harnessed intelligently by an attractive, principled figure, it would be even more powerful, but that, too, is asking for a lot of preconditions.

     

    Like Ron Paul?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Audacious Epigone

  6. I’ve always maintained that most of Bernie’s base are with him out of selfish, venal reasons. They want him to cancel their student debt. That’s it! It’s a loan forgiveness cult. He could bomb Syria and outlaw internal combustion cars and they’d be fine with it, if those pesky statements from Sallie Mae stopped coming every 30 days. Sadly unlike Jimmy Dore they never saw the benefit of a Trump presidency — he won’t cancel their debt but he’s more like Bernie on war and peace than Biden is. And Biden, the senator from MBNA, sure as hell ain’t wiping out anyone’s debts.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bragadocious

    " They want him to cancel their student debt. That’s it! "

    That was the same for the young Corbynistas in the UK in 2017, when he went very close against Teraitor May.

  7. Big Tech will be silencing genuine leftwing populism the same way it has silenced the right.

    That’s actually a very big issue. In the near future maybe people will finally figure out that the Democratic Party in its current form (and this is true of other “left” parties in other parts of the Anglosphere) is in no way, shape or from left-wing.

    In fact it’s likely that left-wing populism will be silenced even more completely than right-wing populism. Because it’s more a threat, and because the neo-liberal establishment hates and fears left-wing populism more than it hates and fears right-wing populism.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Pop Warner
    @dfordoom

    The establishment left has succeeded in capturing progressives through racial demagoguery and white hatred. Leftists won't care about foreign wars, or more corporate control, or debt, or anything else as long as they're satisfied with the efforts of the Democrat establishment to undermine whites. Most leftists hold that prejudice as their only consistent belief or worldview; if it hurts White Americans then it is good policy. The only reason leftists don't like big tech is because they don't censor enough, just listen to what democrat congressmen from both factions said to Mark Zuckerberg at hearings.

    See how they flipped entirely on immigration; if the Koch Brothers and other corporate actors can frame immigration as racial instead of an attack on the American labor force, then leftists will completely disregard their own principles. Sure, there might be some leftists who disagree with Wokeism but they agree on the same fundamental principles about Whites. They'll still call Trump an evil racist nazi because he dared to reach out to whites (even if only implicitly).

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Occasional lurker
    @dfordoom

    It already happened. What Google did to the Unz Review it did to the World Socialist Website years earlier. In Britain, Corbyn was fought to the teeth by the "Labour" Party establishment and all of the "left" leaning media for years. Goaded on by lobbyists, the German "Social" Democrats under Schröder together with the supposedly far left Greens pushed through all the neoliberal reforms that the conservatives under Kohl had shied away from. Influential old style social democrat left wingers like the popular Lafontaine were marginalized. The pacifist Greens were turned into an anti-Russian Nato progaganda outfit (their Böll foundation helps to foment unrest against pro-Russian governments in Eastern Europe). As soon as the Greens got anywhere near power, the pacifists lost influence/left politics (Antje Vollmer) or mysteriously died (Petra Kelly).
    The same thing -- a neocon-neoliberalization from within -- is now happening in the only true left wing opposition left in Germany (Die Linke): Intelligent and popular, populist old style leftist Sahra Wagenknecht was fought and successfully marginalized by "progressives" who talk of "liberal modernity" and will happily sell out much of the poarty's program for more refugees, minority quotas and some climate change mitigation should they ever become part of a govenment.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @Malla
    @dfordoom

    Outright Communist/ Marxist channels are available on super rich capitalist jewtube but many "right winged" channels are purged. All of Hitler's speeches have been purged years ago.. Once can listen to the official anthem of the Soviet Union but not Horst Wessel Lied easily.
    There is an interesting channel called the Ushanka Show by a person who lived in the USSR and now lives in the USA.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClXTAMdHwvWdmFyOlQmEtpQ
    The channel is not anti-Soviet, it is just about explaining how life was in the USSR for people who never lived in the USSR, many a times giving a positive view of Soviet life. But in one channel the channel host criticized Lenin and super rich super corporate jew-tube/ jewgle demonetized some of his videos. So lemme get dis straight, a huge evul Capitalist corporation does not like criticisms of Communist Comrade Lenin!!!! We are not surprised.

    , @Malla
    @dfordoom

    Outright Communist/ Marxist channels are available on super rich capitalist jewtube but many "right winged" channels are purged. All of Hitler's speeches have been purged years ago.. Once can listen to the official anthem of the Soviet Union but not Horst Wessel Lied easily.
    There is an interesting channel called the Ushanka Show by a person who lived in the USSR and now lives in the USA.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClXTAMdHwvWdmFyOlQmEtpQ
    The channel is not anti-Soviet, it is just about explaining how life was in the USSR for people who never lived in the USSR, many a times giving a positive view of Soviet life. But in one channel the channel host criticized Lenin and super rich super corporate jew-tube/ jewgle demonetized some of his videos. So lemme get dis straight, a huge evul Capitalist corporation does not like criticisms of Communist Comrade Lenin!!!! We are not surprised.

  8. “Racist” is Yiddish for White

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  9. DEMOCRATS NUKE GEORGIA VOTING MACHINE SERVER ON “ACCIDENT” DURING RECOUNT


    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Priss Factor

    Ooohhhh....

    Isn't that the same problem they had with Hillary's server?

    Democrats: Not good with computers.

    OT, but the Age of Biden really got me fired up, it's off to such a good start: Oscar-nominated actress Ellen Page, star of Netflix’s ‘The Umbrella Academy,’ declares that she’s transgender and now named Elliot

  10. “This is a reality that goes widely unnoticed and unremarked upon, but it is undeniable. Bernie Sanders got 45% of the Democrat primary vote as a relative unknown in 2016, running against the anointed establishment candidate. After four years of enhancing his national ground game, his salience, and his familiarity, he managed only to garner 35% of the primary vote against an establishment candidate the establishment was reluctant and embarrassed to have to rally behind.”

    Cause and effect is the only likely explanation. It’s only thanks to the Sanders mountebank’s success that the Dims managed to almost get the presidency with a majority of the popular vote for the world’s most repulsive harpy. It’s only thanks to the Sanders mountebank’s success (still remarkable for the timepoint when he caved in, as prearranged and pre-announced) that the corpse of a demented Mafia boss is probably president and we’re almost sure to have as president a woman who couldn’t even get enough votes to stay in the primaries for more than an instant. Without as good a sheepdog as Sanders, even having the uncontested control of the almost entire state apparatus, from Pentagon to Hollywood to Facebook to the CIA, couldn’t have helped the Dims with the vote!

  11. The defining moment of the modern era was the conversations between Bernie and Pocahontas, when Bernie failed to convince Warren to run against Hillary in 2016. She surely would have beaten Hillary, and probably beaten Trump.

  12. The Biden regime de facto be a usurpation of power based upon fraud. The accusation of racism has become the new fascism of the politically correct present. After all it was George Carlin who characterised political correctness as fascism masquerading as good manners.

    • Replies: @216
    @exiled off mainstreet

    The Right's claims of fraud don't work for the same reason that the Russiagate collapse didn't hurt the Dems.

    The Right has ZERO cultural power, and so often chases the stick thrown by the media.

    Gracefully accepting the loss (even if we believe there was fraud) would accelerate the far/center left split.

  13. Big Tech will be silencing genuine leftwing populism the same way it has silenced the right.

    This statement not endorsed by non-binary programmers in Mountain View.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Chrisnonymous

    The programmers aren't the Woke ones.

  14. @Daniel H
    To the chagrin of the impotent AOC/Sanders wing of the party,

    Gosh, Alexandra Ocasio Cortez has no idea of the power and influence that could be in her hands. If only she weren't so stupid/clueless/unlearned.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Bill, @Audacious Epigone

    Indeed, she could be as powerful as Cynthia McKinney.

  15. The modern definition of ‘racism’ is anything the 600 billionaires running the country don’t like.

  16. But the dollar is going to break. America spends way more than it actually has and gets away with it due to its legacy. That is not going to last forever.

    • Replies: @anon
    @nebulafox

    But the dollar is going to break.

    I have a relative who agrees, and who moved into gold in a big way as soon as he saw clearly the dollar was doomed....in 1999. Right before Y2K was going to end the industrial world. We all remember when the industrial world ended; all the banks collapsed overnight, no cars would start, railroad locomotives stopped on the tracks, the entire world power grid went down and we all starved to death, right? We do remember that because it was inevitable and nothing, but nothing, could stop it. Certainly not scads of hours of mainframe remediation programming!

    The market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent. So while doomerism may be emotionally satisfying, it is generally a poor economic strategy. Also a poor life strategy.

    Endlessly moaning about doom while having no plan or action item to deal with even a piece of said doom....is just another form of mental masturbation. Not especially productive. I understand the emotional appeal. But it's just wasted energy that could be used for something else.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Audacious Epigone

    , @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    But the dollar is going to break. America spends way more than it actually has and gets away with it due to its legacy. That is not going to last forever.
     
    Probably. But the question is whether the situation is sustainable for another decade, another two decades or maybe another five or six decades. And in another five or six decades there may be other problems to deal with that we haven't even thought of, or solutions that we haven't thought of. Making long-term predictions is just about impossible.

    Who knows, global warming might turn out to be true and we might all be underwater. OK, now I'm just being silly. But new sources of wealth might appear. Whole new industries might emerge. The global balance of power might be quite different. India might be a superpower. Brazil might be a superpower. Western Europe might be an impoverished backwater. The US might unite the world against China. Or (more hopefully) China might unite the whole of Asia against the US. There might be nuclear war. Genuine artificial intelligences might be running the world.

    Economists might come up with something even more awesome than Modern Monetary Policy. They might abandon Modern Monetary Policy.

    Maybe the hope of the elites is to just keep the dollar going long enough for some new magical solution to present itself. Maybe, like Mr Micawber, they're just waiting for something to turn up. And maybe it will.

    Most people who make a living from making predictions aren't even very good at predicting the past, much less the future.
  17. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    But the dollar is going to break. America spends way more than it actually has and gets away with it due to its legacy. That is not going to last forever.

    Replies: @anon, @dfordoom

    But the dollar is going to break.

    I have a relative who agrees, and who moved into gold in a big way as soon as he saw clearly the dollar was doomed….in 1999. Right before Y2K was going to end the industrial world. We all remember when the industrial world ended; all the banks collapsed overnight, no cars would start, railroad locomotives stopped on the tracks, the entire world power grid went down and we all starved to death, right? We do remember that because it was inevitable and nothing, but nothing, could stop it. Certainly not scads of hours of mainframe remediation programming!

    The market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent. So while doomerism may be emotionally satisfying, it is generally a poor economic strategy. Also a poor life strategy.

    Endlessly moaning about doom while having no plan or action item to deal with even a piece of said doom….is just another form of mental masturbation. Not especially productive. I understand the emotional appeal. But it’s just wasted energy that could be used for something else.

    • Agree: Yahya K.
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @anon


    The market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent. So while doomerism may be emotionally satisfying, it is generally a poor economic strategy. Also a poor life strategy.
     
    I don’t disagree. It was like that with the end of the Soviet Union - some predicted its fall, others scoffed at the idea. It did eventually disintegrate, but much later than the “doomers” expected and much more suddenly (and traumatically) than the scoffers realized.

    I don’t put much stock in prognostications, esp. long-term ones, but I think it’s pretty clear that America’s fiscal and monetary policies are unsustainable. Now when that unsustainability will go boom and with what intensity, only God know.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @anon


    The market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent. So while doomerism may be emotionally satisfying, it is generally a poor economic strategy.
     
    You only need to remember two rules for playing in the Wall Street casino:

    1) Don't fight the Fed!
    2) BTFD!
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @anon

    If he moved into gold in 1999, he's done pretty well for himself.

    In late 2018, the Fed tried to raise interest rates and the market collapsed. There is no way out of this trap.

  18. @nebulafox
    But the dollar is going to break. America spends way more than it actually has and gets away with it due to its legacy. That is not going to last forever.

    Replies: @anon, @dfordoom

    But the dollar is going to break. America spends way more than it actually has and gets away with it due to its legacy. That is not going to last forever.

    Probably. But the question is whether the situation is sustainable for another decade, another two decades or maybe another five or six decades. And in another five or six decades there may be other problems to deal with that we haven’t even thought of, or solutions that we haven’t thought of. Making long-term predictions is just about impossible.

    Who knows, global warming might turn out to be true and we might all be underwater. OK, now I’m just being silly. But new sources of wealth might appear. Whole new industries might emerge. The global balance of power might be quite different. India might be a superpower. Brazil might be a superpower. Western Europe might be an impoverished backwater. The US might unite the world against China. Or (more hopefully) China might unite the whole of Asia against the US. There might be nuclear war. Genuine artificial intelligences might be running the world.

    Economists might come up with something even more awesome than Modern Monetary Policy. They might abandon Modern Monetary Policy.

    Maybe the hope of the elites is to just keep the dollar going long enough for some new magical solution to present itself. Maybe, like Mr Micawber, they’re just waiting for something to turn up. And maybe it will.

    Most people who make a living from making predictions aren’t even very good at predicting the past, much less the future.

    • Agree: Rich
  19. “Progressivism” in the US is too tied to anti-White rhetoric to ever gain real power. Sanders was part of the old guard, the new wave spends all it’s time ripping Whitey. That’s one of the reasons I’m pretty sure that what passes for the socialists in this country is just controlled opposition. Without working class Whites they can never gain real power, and rioting and blm aren’t ever getting them the White working class.

  20. Oh, the IRONY.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @CCZ

    I wanted to say, “Joe and Mika might actually be right for once,” but you said it better:


    Oh, the IRONY.
     
  21. keep sucking sniffer j. robinette negrobiden ****

  22. @Twinkie
    @Daniel H


    If only she weren’t so stupid/clueless/unlearned.
     
    And so unprincipled.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8889119/AOC-appears-cover-Vanity-Fair-says-shes-boogeyman-Dems.html

    DailyMail.com can reveal that she was gifted at least one of the looks - a $2,850 suit from Loewe.

    The total estimated retail cost of her outfits is more than $14,000.

    In one portion of the interview, she said 'dressing the part has been an unexpected struggle, but it’s also a way to connect with constituents' while wearing an $800 dress and $1,450 earrings.
     
    I don’t have any love for “progressivism” as such, but principled progressivism intelligently harnessed would be potent. But that’s a lot of missing contingencies.

    Of course, if right-wing populism were harnessed intelligently by an attractive, principled figure, it would be even more powerful, but that, too, is asking for a lot of preconditions.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Of course, if right-wing populism were harnessed intelligently by an attractive, principled figure, it would be even more powerful, but that, too, is asking for a lot of preconditions.

    Like Ron Paul?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Pericles


    Like Ron Paul?
     
    Libertarianism is not populism.

    Replies: @Jtgw, @dfordoom

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Pericles

    Ron Paul is a brave, courageous, principled man but he's not personally attractive or charismatic and those things are important.

    Still, without the Ron Paul 'revolution' of 2008 and to a lesser extent 2012, it's plausible that there wouldn't have been the Trump moment in 2016.

  23. Stupid Joe Biden is the puppet of the has beens. A last gasp if you will.

    He beat Bernie the way he “beat” Trump. Cheating and massive fraud.

    His zionism is obvious. He wants to up the ante in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Stupid Joe is the Party of yesterday, and the long since past.

    If he gets in at all, he’ll screw the pooch beyond hope of recovery.

    The US Dollar is already being dumped by China and Russia.

    BRICS will kill the Fed if Stupid Joe has anything to do with it.

    Stupid Joe Biden is a loser. Even with the fraud he has little hope of being POTUS.

    Stupid Joe can only be a puppet. Only fools would put their trust in this clown.

  24. The Biden Asset Bubble in stocks and bonds and real estate — commercial and residential — will implode with tremendous force and it will dislodge from power the evil and treasonous JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    Joe Biden — politician globalizer whore — has been backing every asset bubble ever created since 1971 by the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank, and Biden will preside over the mother and father of all asset bubbles when the Biden Asset Bubble breaks and the White Upper Middle Class sits in the suburbs and moans.

    When the Biden Asset Bubble breaks, mama, the JEW/WASP Ruling Class is gonna move.

    When the Biden Asset Bubble breaks, the JEW/WASP Ruling Class is gonna weep and moan.

    When the Biden Asset Bubble breaks, the White Upper Middle Class is gonna sit in suburbs and moan over unrealized phantom asset bubble gains.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Charles Pewitt

    How will Aunt Jemima fit into all that?

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Charles Pewitt

    , @MEH 0910
    @Charles Pewitt

    When the Levee Breaks (Remaster)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFDYuO53BUk

  25. @Charles Pewitt
    The Biden Asset Bubble in stocks and bonds and real estate -- commercial and residential -- will implode with tremendous force and it will dislodge from power the evil and treasonous JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    Joe Biden -- politician globalizer whore -- has been backing every asset bubble ever created since 1971 by the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank, and Biden will preside over the mother and father of all asset bubbles when the Biden Asset Bubble breaks and the White Upper Middle Class sits in the suburbs and moans.

    When the Biden Asset Bubble breaks, mama, the JEW/WASP Ruling Class is gonna move.

    When the Biden Asset Bubble breaks, the JEW/WASP Ruling Class is gonna weep and moan.

    When the Biden Asset Bubble breaks, the White Upper Middle Class is gonna sit in suburbs and moan over unrealized phantom asset bubble gains.

    Replies: @anon, @MEH 0910

    How will Aunt Jemima fit into all that?

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @anon


    How will Aunt Jemima fit into all that?
     
    https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1288516769192321025

    Uncle Ben - SNL
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFLuGVOWlkc

    Aunt Jemima (Maya Rudolph), Uncle Ben (Kenan Thompson) and the Allstate Guy (Dave Chappelle) try to defend their jobs.
     

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Charles Pewitt
    @anon

    Mr. Anon[245] says:

    How will Aunt Jemima fit into all that?

    I say:

    AUNT JEMIMA is a very stylish and distinguished and elegant and trim and proper Black Church Lady with curly yet wavy hair of a most lustrous black color that some might call raven-haired and she wears nice earings of an austere yet chic type and she wears white collared shirts and she eats pancakes and collard greens and she has a beautiful happy smile and AUNT JEMIMA can fit into all that and she can fit into any kind of clothes or outfits because she goes walking with UNCLE BEN and both AUNT JEMIMA and UNCLE BEN are very decent and honorable church people who believe strongly in God and their manners and deportment and their relations together are impeccable and civilized and beyond any kind of disparagement or impeachment.

    AUNT JEMIMA don't twerk is a line I'd like to hear Robert Duvall deliver in his Lieutenant Colonel William "Bill" Kilgore, 1st Squadron, 9th Cavalry Regiment commander voice.

    IMPEACHMENT?

    Yeah! Impeach that muthaphucka Joe Biden and the whole law firm of Biden Harris and impeach every government worker whore who needs impeaching and there are a whole lot of them.

    Impeach all these so-called "centrist" whores in the US Congress who want to give state and local government workers 200 or 300 billion dollars and keep that Paycheck Protection Program scam going and the scam whereby unemployed boobs get 300 or 600 extra dollars a week or all the other damn scams those sonofabitches are cooking up.

    IMPEACH the brutes!

    Nationalize the Federal Reserve Bank now and electronically conjure up the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) now!

    Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) further explained:

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) will pay each American who has all blood ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 a cool ten thousand dollars a month. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank shall work together to conjure up the cash out of thin air, just like the ruling class is doing now.

  26. The Biden Asset Bubble in stocks is gonna implode like a bastard.

    Trump’s fat baby boomer ass has accumulated much globular mass from taco bowls and cheeseburgers and french fries and steaks and the Trump rear end bubble has become clown-like in its girth, but that doesn’t mean that Trump wasn’t right about the stock market bubble back in 2016 when he was banging it out against that fat ass baby boomer globalizer bastard Hillary Clinton.

    Trump Tells the Truth About Big Fat Phucking Asset Bubbles Created By The Privately-Controlled Federal Reserve Bank(2016):

  27. The Provisional Harris-Biden government would be ill advised to leave the Red Guard stewing in their juices.

    The Dollar is toast, so you’ll get your answer in a year or two.

  28. I wrote this in February of 2020:

    Explicit White Identity Politics will upend the American Empire and restore the USA to its rightful inheritor: American European Christians.

    To achieve this, most White Americans born before 1965 will have to be financially liquidated. This can be accomplished in ten minutes by raising the federal funds rate to 6 percent and stopping all the repo market madness and quantitative easing and Fed balance sheet expansion and dollar swaps and all the other monetary extremism crud that is keeping the asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate inflated.

    Trump is the last of the baby boomer politician whores of the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire to scream about how great central banker shysterism is. White Americans born after 1965 see the rigged monetary extremism game that benefits globalized billionaires and baby boomers and other people born before 1965, and they are about to pull the plug on civilizationally destructive monetary extremism.

    Remember, the baby boomers were bought off with monetary extremism and three big asset bubbles to keep their greedy mouths shut about nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration. The ECB has done the same thing in the eurozone and the Chinese and the Japanese have made central banker shysterism a big hit for their plutocrats and money-grubber geezers too.

    American politics — and global politics — are all about demography and debt — mass legal immigration/mass illegal immigration and monetary policy.

    If a politician is not talking about monetary policy and demography, stop listening to them.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/bloombergs-blacks/#comment-3715793

  29. @dfordoom

    Big Tech will be silencing genuine leftwing populism the same way it has silenced the right.
     
    That's actually a very big issue. In the near future maybe people will finally figure out that the Democratic Party in its current form (and this is true of other "left" parties in other parts of the Anglosphere) is in no way, shape or from left-wing.

    In fact it's likely that left-wing populism will be silenced even more completely than right-wing populism. Because it's more a threat, and because the neo-liberal establishment hates and fears left-wing populism more than it hates and fears right-wing populism.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Occasional lurker, @Malla, @Malla

    The establishment left has succeeded in capturing progressives through racial demagoguery and white hatred. Leftists won’t care about foreign wars, or more corporate control, or debt, or anything else as long as they’re satisfied with the efforts of the Democrat establishment to undermine whites. Most leftists hold that prejudice as their only consistent belief or worldview; if it hurts White Americans then it is good policy. The only reason leftists don’t like big tech is because they don’t censor enough, just listen to what democrat congressmen from both factions said to Mark Zuckerberg at hearings.

    See how they flipped entirely on immigration; if the Koch Brothers and other corporate actors can frame immigration as racial instead of an attack on the American labor force, then leftists will completely disregard their own principles. Sure, there might be some leftists who disagree with Wokeism but they agree on the same fundamental principles about Whites. They’ll still call Trump an evil racist nazi because he dared to reach out to whites (even if only implicitly).

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Pop Warner


    The establishment left has succeeded in capturing progressives through racial demagoguery and white hatred. Leftists won’t care about foreign wars, or more corporate control, or debt, or anything else as long as they’re satisfied with the efforts of the Democrat establishment to undermine whites. Most leftists hold that prejudice as their only consistent belief or worldview; if it hurts White Americans then it is good policy.
     
    What unites leftists/liberals far more than racial issues is their worship of the LGBT crowd. It would be more accurate to say that their only consistent belief or worldview is; if it hurts normal heterosexual Americans then it is good policy.

    Even blacks get thrown under the bus if they dare to voice mild criticisms of the LGBT crowd.
  30. the pretense of DNC acrimony towards Chamber of Commerce and neocon Republicans has been dropped.

    This is almost exactly the point I have been making for some time.

    Trump created the New Populist GOP by:
    — Adding ‘left’ worker issues by opposing unfair trade and promoting re-industrializion.
    — Ejecting ‘right’ power groups like NeoCons and Elite MegaCorporations.

    The New Globalist DNC now fully embraces the goals of ‘right’ NeoCons and ‘right’ Elite MegaCorporations. The only reason that GOP(e) Romney did not flip parties is that his constituency is strongly Pro-Life.

    The Progressive movement is now fundamentally fractured. Those that care about workers, wages, and jobs are now aligned to the Populist GOP. Those concerned with skin color activism remain aligned with the DNC. Trying to combine the concepts cannot possibly work in either party.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @216
    @A123

    The establishment generally lacks a good promoter. If they did many of their problems would go away, they just need an American version of E. Macron.

    In the contest between "AmericaFirst" "Populism Inc" and the establishment's "Gen Z GOP", my bet would be with the latter. The establishment has institutions and funding streams, even if its ideas are questionable. It's commitment to Woke is wildly popular, so long as it is branded as "Wokeservatism"

    The Right faces the civilizational problem of its low support by the growing class of unmarried women, who are the biggest backers of Woke.

  31. @Charles Pewitt
    The Biden Asset Bubble in stocks and bonds and real estate -- commercial and residential -- will implode with tremendous force and it will dislodge from power the evil and treasonous JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    Joe Biden -- politician globalizer whore -- has been backing every asset bubble ever created since 1971 by the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank, and Biden will preside over the mother and father of all asset bubbles when the Biden Asset Bubble breaks and the White Upper Middle Class sits in the suburbs and moans.

    When the Biden Asset Bubble breaks, mama, the JEW/WASP Ruling Class is gonna move.

    When the Biden Asset Bubble breaks, the JEW/WASP Ruling Class is gonna weep and moan.

    When the Biden Asset Bubble breaks, the White Upper Middle Class is gonna sit in suburbs and moan over unrealized phantom asset bubble gains.

    Replies: @anon, @MEH 0910

    When the Levee Breaks (Remaster)

    • Thanks: Charles Pewitt
  32. @anon
    @nebulafox

    But the dollar is going to break.

    I have a relative who agrees, and who moved into gold in a big way as soon as he saw clearly the dollar was doomed....in 1999. Right before Y2K was going to end the industrial world. We all remember when the industrial world ended; all the banks collapsed overnight, no cars would start, railroad locomotives stopped on the tracks, the entire world power grid went down and we all starved to death, right? We do remember that because it was inevitable and nothing, but nothing, could stop it. Certainly not scads of hours of mainframe remediation programming!

    The market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent. So while doomerism may be emotionally satisfying, it is generally a poor economic strategy. Also a poor life strategy.

    Endlessly moaning about doom while having no plan or action item to deal with even a piece of said doom....is just another form of mental masturbation. Not especially productive. I understand the emotional appeal. But it's just wasted energy that could be used for something else.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Audacious Epigone

    The market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent. So while doomerism may be emotionally satisfying, it is generally a poor economic strategy. Also a poor life strategy.

    I don’t disagree. It was like that with the end of the Soviet Union – some predicted its fall, others scoffed at the idea. It did eventually disintegrate, but much later than the “doomers” expected and much more suddenly (and traumatically) than the scoffers realized.

    I don’t put much stock in prognostications, esp. long-term ones, but I think it’s pretty clear that America’s fiscal and monetary policies are unsustainable. Now when that unsustainability will go boom and with what intensity, only God know.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    An outlandishly corrupt gerontocracy opting for self-serving moralizing over policy, a two-track justice system, huge fancy missile systems coinciding with not being able to even maintain basic roads, access to "gateway" education based off patronage (complete with ethnic quotas, explicit and implicit), unsustainable entitlements leading to a fiscal black hole, tons of make-work, lack of social trust and social atomization, pop culture revolving around WWII nostalgia rather than the future...

    Replies: @Twinkie

  33. @Pericles
    @Twinkie


    Of course, if right-wing populism were harnessed intelligently by an attractive, principled figure, it would be even more powerful, but that, too, is asking for a lot of preconditions.

     

    Like Ron Paul?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Audacious Epigone

    Like Ron Paul?

    Libertarianism is not populism.

    • Replies: @Jtgw
    @Twinkie

    Murray Rothbard tried to craft a libertarian populism and Ron Paul is probably most successful application of that strategy. I agree the concept is somewhat oxymoronic when you consider the evidence that most working clsss folks are social conservatives and economic progressives ie the opposite of what libertarians are supposed to be.

    , @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    Libertarianism is not populism.
     
    Libertarianism is about as non-populist as you can get. Economic libertarianism is an obscure fringe cult that has no hope of ever gaining a mass following.

    Economic libertarianism is a white male geek thing. Women are never going to go for it. A movement with no hope of gaining more than a tiny handful of women supporters has no future.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Mark G.

  34. @Jay Fink
    What few progressives understand is they lose relevancy when they fall into line behind establishment candidates. If all progressives would have sat out this last election or vote third party Biden would have lost. Then the DNC would have to take progressives seriously and move in their direction.

    Replies: @El Dato

    If all progressives would have sat out this last election or vote third party Biden would have lost. Then the DNC would have to take progressives seriously and move in their direction.

    These people are not intelligent. They are world-saving radicals convinced of their own superiority. A cynical opponent will always win.

    Didn’t the progressives watch Star Warts enough? They cite it so often. Yet fail they do, again and again.

    • Replies: @A123
    @El Dato


    Didn’t the progressives watch Star Wars enough?
     
    That is how they found their leader, Emperor IslamoSoros.

    The more he tightens his Jihadi grip, the more Judeo-Christian voters slip through his fingers. (∆)

    PEACE 😇
     
    http://www.sott.net/image/s19/390237/full/george_soros_darth_sidious.jpg



    (∆) Yes. The grip tightening line was about Grand Moff Tarkin, not Emperor IslamoSoros. The rephrase was too evocative to pass up.

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich, @V. K. Ovelund

  35. @El Dato
    @Jay Fink


    If all progressives would have sat out this last election or vote third party Biden would have lost. Then the DNC would have to take progressives seriously and move in their direction.
     
    These people are not intelligent. They are world-saving radicals convinced of their own superiority. A cynical opponent will always win.

    Didn't the progressives watch Star Warts enough? They cite it so often. Yet fail they do, again and again.

    Replies: @A123

    Didn’t the progressives watch Star Wars enough?

    That is how they found their leader, Emperor IslamoSoros.

    The more he tightens his Jihadi grip, the more Judeo-Christian voters slip through his fingers. (∆)

    PEACE 😇
     

    [MORE]

    (∆) Yes. The grip tightening line was about Grand Moff Tarkin, not Emperor IslamoSoros. The rephrase was too evocative to pass up.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @A123

    The president of Hungary, Victor Orban a true Hungarian nationalist, has stated several times that George Soros, is one of the most EVIL men alive today. He said this before Hungary threw him and his institutions right out of the country and he is still saying it today. Why do I personally pay attention to what Hungarians say? Simple, because Hungarians are some of the most discerning people in the entire world, have more Nobel prizes under their belts, then countries vastly larger than Hungary.

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123

    Of all I have seen you write, this may interest me most:


    That is how they found their leader, Emperor IslamoSoros.
     
    I hear the name of Soros so often taken in contempt that I assume that Soros is more an avatar or scapegoat than a real villain. There are vague accusations regarding currencies, public debt and district attorneys, but (except maybe when it comes to the district attorneys) few specifics I can readily understand.

    I understand the matter poorly. Why is my assumption wrong?

    (Some of your past answers have gotten retorts from me, but no retort will come this time. My question is no trap but just a question, if you have time to answer it. To show good faith, I should lay my cards on the table as it were: I assume that Soros is an avatar or scapegoat for approximately the same reason I assume that Hitler is an avatar or scapegoat: both get blamed for much by many who lack mastery of relevant facts. Aspersions in such a context grow hard to credit.)

    Replies: @A123

  36. @Twinkie
    @anon


    The market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent. So while doomerism may be emotionally satisfying, it is generally a poor economic strategy. Also a poor life strategy.
     
    I don’t disagree. It was like that with the end of the Soviet Union - some predicted its fall, others scoffed at the idea. It did eventually disintegrate, but much later than the “doomers” expected and much more suddenly (and traumatically) than the scoffers realized.

    I don’t put much stock in prognostications, esp. long-term ones, but I think it’s pretty clear that America’s fiscal and monetary policies are unsustainable. Now when that unsustainability will go boom and with what intensity, only God know.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    An outlandishly corrupt gerontocracy opting for self-serving moralizing over policy, a two-track justice system, huge fancy missile systems coinciding with not being able to even maintain basic roads, access to “gateway” education based off patronage (complete with ethnic quotas, explicit and implicit), unsustainable entitlements leading to a fiscal black hole, tons of make-work, lack of social trust and social atomization, pop culture revolving around WWII nostalgia rather than the future…

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    An outlandishly corrupt gerontocracy opting for self-serving moralizing over policy, a two-track justice system, huge fancy missile systems coinciding with not being able to even maintain basic roads, access to “gateway” education based off patronage (complete with ethnic quotas, explicit and implicit), unsustainable entitlements leading to a fiscal black hole, tons of make-work, lack of social trust and social atomization, pop culture revolving around WWII nostalgia rather than the future…
     
    Other than that, we are doing really well. I mean, look at all the Thai restaurants around here these days. ;)

    Replies: @nebulafox, @iffen

  37. @Bragadocious
    I've always maintained that most of Bernie's base are with him out of selfish, venal reasons. They want him to cancel their student debt. That's it! It's a loan forgiveness cult. He could bomb Syria and outlaw internal combustion cars and they'd be fine with it, if those pesky statements from Sallie Mae stopped coming every 30 days. Sadly unlike Jimmy Dore they never saw the benefit of a Trump presidency -- he won't cancel their debt but he's more like Bernie on war and peace than Biden is. And Biden, the senator from MBNA, sure as hell ain't wiping out anyone's debts.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    ” They want him to cancel their student debt. That’s it! “

    That was the same for the young Corbynistas in the UK in 2017, when he went very close against Teraitor May.

  38. I guess I’m racist, because Joe Biden has always been one of the biggest losers in the U.S. Senate and one of the swamp elite, as far as I can remember and that’s pretty far. It’s revealing however, that the democrat party leaders, who know what a loser he really is, decided to sacrifice the best interests of the U.S. population, in order to keep abominable people like Pelosi, Schumer, Cuomo, Feinstein, Warren, the faux American Indian, etc.etc. On another note, it’s so depressing to realize how low, how willfully deluded millions of Americans have become in supporting these people

  39. @A123
    @El Dato


    Didn’t the progressives watch Star Wars enough?
     
    That is how they found their leader, Emperor IslamoSoros.

    The more he tightens his Jihadi grip, the more Judeo-Christian voters slip through his fingers. (∆)

    PEACE 😇
     
    http://www.sott.net/image/s19/390237/full/george_soros_darth_sidious.jpg



    (∆) Yes. The grip tightening line was about Grand Moff Tarkin, not Emperor IslamoSoros. The rephrase was too evocative to pass up.

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich, @V. K. Ovelund

    The president of Hungary, Victor Orban a true Hungarian nationalist, has stated several times that George Soros, is one of the most EVIL men alive today. He said this before Hungary threw him and his institutions right out of the country and he is still saying it today. Why do I personally pay attention to what Hungarians say? Simple, because Hungarians are some of the most discerning people in the entire world, have more Nobel prizes under their belts, then countries vastly larger than Hungary.

  40. I will not only criticize the Biden administration, I will openly state that HE’S NOT MY PRESIDENT. The democrats gave me the idea for this mantra, because it was something they said about president Trump from the first day he took office.

  41. @exiled off mainstreet
    The Biden regime de facto be a usurpation of power based upon fraud. The accusation of racism has become the new fascism of the politically correct present. After all it was George Carlin who characterised political correctness as fascism masquerading as good manners.

    Replies: @216

    The Right’s claims of fraud don’t work for the same reason that the Russiagate collapse didn’t hurt the Dems.

    The Right has ZERO cultural power, and so often chases the stick thrown by the media.

    Gracefully accepting the loss (even if we believe there was fraud) would accelerate the far/center left split.

  42. @A123

    the pretense of DNC acrimony towards Chamber of Commerce and neocon Republicans has been dropped.
     
    This is almost exactly the point I have been making for some time.

    Trump created the New Populist GOP by:
    -- Adding 'left' worker issues by opposing unfair trade and promoting re-industrializion.
    -- Ejecting 'right' power groups like NeoCons and Elite MegaCorporations.

    The New Globalist DNC now fully embraces the goals of 'right' NeoCons and 'right' Elite MegaCorporations. The only reason that GOP(e) Romney did not flip parties is that his constituency is strongly Pro-Life.

    The Progressive movement is now fundamentally fractured. Those that care about workers, wages, and jobs are now aligned to the Populist GOP. Those concerned with skin color activism remain aligned with the DNC. Trying to combine the concepts cannot possibly work in either party.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @216

    The establishment generally lacks a good promoter. If they did many of their problems would go away, they just need an American version of E. Macron.

    In the contest between “AmericaFirst” “Populism Inc” and the establishment’s “Gen Z GOP”, my bet would be with the latter. The establishment has institutions and funding streams, even if its ideas are questionable. It’s commitment to Woke is wildly popular, so long as it is branded as “Wokeservatism”

    The Right faces the civilizational problem of its low support by the growing class of unmarried women, who are the biggest backers of Woke.

  43. @Priss Factor
    DEMOCRATS NUKE GEORGIA VOTING MACHINE SERVER ON "ACCIDENT" DURING RECOUNT

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/1XdArBeAOAnG/

    Replies: @El Dato

    Ooohhhh….

    Isn’t that the same problem they had with Hillary’s server?

    Democrats: Not good with computers.

    OT, but the Age of Biden really got me fired up, it’s off to such a good start: Oscar-nominated actress Ellen Page, star of Netflix’s ‘The Umbrella Academy,’ declares that she’s transgender and now named Elliot

  44. Joe Biden, reminds me of a guy who sells mens suits, at a cheap men’s suit’s store..LOL

  45. @anon
    @Charles Pewitt

    How will Aunt Jemima fit into all that?

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Charles Pewitt

    How will Aunt Jemima fit into all that?

    Uncle Ben – SNL

    Aunt Jemima (Maya Rudolph), Uncle Ben (Kenan Thompson) and the Allstate Guy (Dave Chappelle) try to defend their jobs.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @MEH 0910

    “Seriously America, look at Pete Davidson’s lips!”

    I lost it, along with Pete Davidson, when Dave said it. Great skit.

    Peace.

  46. It’s great to be race-ist.

  47. I’m glad you’re articulating the neolib-progressive split more clearly. It’s annoying me every time conservatives and libertarians let themselves get triggered by progressive attacks on the rich, as if the rich are in any way our allies needing defending.

  48. @Twinkie
    @Pericles


    Like Ron Paul?
     
    Libertarianism is not populism.

    Replies: @Jtgw, @dfordoom

    Murray Rothbard tried to craft a libertarian populism and Ron Paul is probably most successful application of that strategy. I agree the concept is somewhat oxymoronic when you consider the evidence that most working clsss folks are social conservatives and economic progressives ie the opposite of what libertarians are supposed to be.

  49. @MEH 0910
    @anon


    How will Aunt Jemima fit into all that?
     
    https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1288516769192321025

    Uncle Ben - SNL
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFLuGVOWlkc

    Aunt Jemima (Maya Rudolph), Uncle Ben (Kenan Thompson) and the Allstate Guy (Dave Chappelle) try to defend their jobs.
     

    Replies: @Talha

    “Seriously America, look at Pete Davidson’s lips!”

    I lost it, along with Pete Davidson, when Dave said it. Great skit.

    Peace.

  50. @Pop Warner
    @dfordoom

    The establishment left has succeeded in capturing progressives through racial demagoguery and white hatred. Leftists won't care about foreign wars, or more corporate control, or debt, or anything else as long as they're satisfied with the efforts of the Democrat establishment to undermine whites. Most leftists hold that prejudice as their only consistent belief or worldview; if it hurts White Americans then it is good policy. The only reason leftists don't like big tech is because they don't censor enough, just listen to what democrat congressmen from both factions said to Mark Zuckerberg at hearings.

    See how they flipped entirely on immigration; if the Koch Brothers and other corporate actors can frame immigration as racial instead of an attack on the American labor force, then leftists will completely disregard their own principles. Sure, there might be some leftists who disagree with Wokeism but they agree on the same fundamental principles about Whites. They'll still call Trump an evil racist nazi because he dared to reach out to whites (even if only implicitly).

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The establishment left has succeeded in capturing progressives through racial demagoguery and white hatred. Leftists won’t care about foreign wars, or more corporate control, or debt, or anything else as long as they’re satisfied with the efforts of the Democrat establishment to undermine whites. Most leftists hold that prejudice as their only consistent belief or worldview; if it hurts White Americans then it is good policy.

    What unites leftists/liberals far more than racial issues is their worship of the LGBT crowd. It would be more accurate to say that their only consistent belief or worldview is; if it hurts normal heterosexual Americans then it is good policy.

    Even blacks get thrown under the bus if they dare to voice mild criticisms of the LGBT crowd.

  51. @Twinkie
    @Pericles


    Like Ron Paul?
     
    Libertarianism is not populism.

    Replies: @Jtgw, @dfordoom

    Libertarianism is not populism.

    Libertarianism is about as non-populist as you can get. Economic libertarianism is an obscure fringe cult that has no hope of ever gaining a mass following.

    Economic libertarianism is a white male geek thing. Women are never going to go for it. A movement with no hope of gaining more than a tiny handful of women supporters has no future.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @dfordoom


    Economic libertarianism is an obscure fringe cult that has no hope of ever gaining a mass following.

     

    And yet the less economically libertarian a country is, the less people want to move there. A recent Index of Economic Freedom put out by the Heritage Foundation lists the Republic of Congo, Eritrea, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea as having the least economic freedom and Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Australia and Switzerland as having the most. People aren't flocking to get into Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @Mark G.
    @dfordoom


    Economic libertarianism is an obscure fringe cult that has no hope of ever gaining a mass following.

     

    And yet the less economically libertarian a country is, the less people want to move there. A recent Index of Economic Freedom put out by the Heritage Foundation lists the Republic of Congo, Eritrea, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea as having the least economic freedom and Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Australia and Switzerland as having the most. People aren't flocking to get into Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom
  52. @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    Libertarianism is not populism.
     
    Libertarianism is about as non-populist as you can get. Economic libertarianism is an obscure fringe cult that has no hope of ever gaining a mass following.

    Economic libertarianism is a white male geek thing. Women are never going to go for it. A movement with no hope of gaining more than a tiny handful of women supporters has no future.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Mark G.

    Economic libertarianism is an obscure fringe cult that has no hope of ever gaining a mass following.

    And yet the less economically libertarian a country is, the less people want to move there. A recent Index of Economic Freedom put out by the Heritage Foundation lists the Republic of Congo, Eritrea, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea as having the least economic freedom and Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Australia and Switzerland as having the most. People aren’t flocking to get into Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Mark G.

    True, but let's not pretend those economically free nations subscribe to GOP economic ideology, either... "If Singapore is a nanny state, I'm proud to have fostered one."

    The state is a tool. The market is a tool. No more, no less. Ideology is stupid. Try a policy, taking into account your national realities: yes, Singapore has a successful, affordable government sponsored health care system that does not leave you prey to insurance vultures if you have a stroke of misfortune, but it also does not have US rates of obesity or as open of an immigration system or near as many people over near as much land. See if it works. If it does, keep it. If it does not, discard it and try a different one.

    Whatever the US has is not working. And indeed, seems to mix the absolute worst aspects of the public sector and private sector through socializing costs and privatizing gains-especially for those with the right connections in the Beltway.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  53. @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    Libertarianism is not populism.
     
    Libertarianism is about as non-populist as you can get. Economic libertarianism is an obscure fringe cult that has no hope of ever gaining a mass following.

    Economic libertarianism is a white male geek thing. Women are never going to go for it. A movement with no hope of gaining more than a tiny handful of women supporters has no future.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Mark G.

    Economic libertarianism is an obscure fringe cult that has no hope of ever gaining a mass following.

    And yet the less economically libertarian a country is, the less people want to move there. A recent Index of Economic Freedom put out by the Heritage Foundation lists the Republic of Congo, Eritrea, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea as having the least economic freedom and Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Australia and Switzerland as having the most. People aren’t flocking to get into Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom

  54. @dfordoom

    Big Tech will be silencing genuine leftwing populism the same way it has silenced the right.
     
    That's actually a very big issue. In the near future maybe people will finally figure out that the Democratic Party in its current form (and this is true of other "left" parties in other parts of the Anglosphere) is in no way, shape or from left-wing.

    In fact it's likely that left-wing populism will be silenced even more completely than right-wing populism. Because it's more a threat, and because the neo-liberal establishment hates and fears left-wing populism more than it hates and fears right-wing populism.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Occasional lurker, @Malla, @Malla

    It already happened. What Google did to the Unz Review it did to the World Socialist Website years earlier. In Britain, Corbyn was fought to the teeth by the “Labour” Party establishment and all of the “left” leaning media for years. Goaded on by lobbyists, the German “Social” Democrats under Schröder together with the supposedly far left Greens pushed through all the neoliberal reforms that the conservatives under Kohl had shied away from. Influential old style social democrat left wingers like the popular Lafontaine were marginalized. The pacifist Greens were turned into an anti-Russian Nato progaganda outfit (their Böll foundation helps to foment unrest against pro-Russian governments in Eastern Europe). As soon as the Greens got anywhere near power, the pacifists lost influence/left politics (Antje Vollmer) or mysteriously died (Petra Kelly).
    The same thing — a neocon-neoliberalization from within — is now happening in the only true left wing opposition left in Germany (Die Linke): Intelligent and popular, populist old style leftist Sahra Wagenknecht was fought and successfully marginalized by “progressives” who talk of “liberal modernity” and will happily sell out much of the poarty’s program for more refugees, minority quotas and some climate change mitigation should they ever become part of a govenment.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Occasional lurker

    I might not always agree with their politics, but I'll always have a soft spot for WSW for their coverage of the 1619 fracas, inviting in actual historians to go over the nuances of the time period. It was extremely educational.

    Even when I don't agree with them, I'd happily read one of their articles over dealing with the talking heads or the Voxsplainers.

  55. @CCZ
    Oh, the IRONY.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eou9a4Ng4Q4

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    I wanted to say, “Joe and Mika might actually be right for once,” but you said it better:

    Oh, the IRONY.

  56. @A123
    @El Dato


    Didn’t the progressives watch Star Wars enough?
     
    That is how they found their leader, Emperor IslamoSoros.

    The more he tightens his Jihadi grip, the more Judeo-Christian voters slip through his fingers. (∆)

    PEACE 😇
     
    http://www.sott.net/image/s19/390237/full/george_soros_darth_sidious.jpg



    (∆) Yes. The grip tightening line was about Grand Moff Tarkin, not Emperor IslamoSoros. The rephrase was too evocative to pass up.

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich, @V. K. Ovelund

    Of all I have seen you write, this may interest me most:

    That is how they found their leader, Emperor IslamoSoros.

    I hear the name of Soros so often taken in contempt that I assume that Soros is more an avatar or scapegoat than a real villain. There are vague accusations regarding currencies, public debt and district attorneys, but (except maybe when it comes to the district attorneys) few specifics I can readily understand.

    I understand the matter poorly. Why is my assumption wrong?

    (Some of your past answers have gotten retorts from me, but no retort will come this time. My question is no trap but just a question, if you have time to answer it. To show good faith, I should lay my cards on the table as it were: I assume that Soros is an avatar or scapegoat for approximately the same reason I assume that Hitler is an avatar or scapegoat: both get blamed for much by many who lack mastery of relevant facts. Aspersions in such a context grow hard to credit.)

    • Replies: @A123
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I hear the name of Soros so often taken in contempt that I assume that Soros is more an avatar or scapegoat than a real villain.
     
    He is a real villain and very dangerous. George IslamoSoros is rich and pushes huge amounts of money into efforts to undermine Judeo-Christian values and beliefs.
    ___

    He is so dangerous that Palestinian Jews regularly warn about the danger he poses to themselves and the world: (1)

    Israel released a list of 20 BDS-supporting organizations whose members will be banned from entering Israel due to their BDS activism, prominently featuring six American groups. At least four of the six BDS-promoting U.S. groups receive funding tied to Soros. Scores of other U.S. organizations that support the BDS movement are financed by Soros.
     
    His family controls the Open Society Foundation [OSF], which is one of the primary backers of Mutti Merkel's Muslim Rape-ugee invasion. Christian European countries, like Hungary and Poland, have been fighting this imminent threat to Christian children for some time. (2)

    In his email to Bloomberg Business, Soros referred to this plan, which you can read in full on the Soros website (GeorgeSoros.com). Excerpt:

    First, the EU has to accept at least a million asylum-seekers annually for the foreseeable future. And, to do that, it must share the burden fairly – a principle that a qualified majority finally established at last Wednesday’s summit.
     

     
    The IslamoSoros rage at his home country is so vicious that he created a "university" that existed solely to be a threat to Hungary's Christians and the nation of Hungary. Its violations were so egregious, it was outlawed by the Hungarian government: (3)

    Orban considers Soros’s university to be an agent of real corruption in the heart of his embattled nation. Consider something as petty as the gender studies program at the university. That’s a garbage discipline that promotes an ideology that destroys marriage and family.
    ...
    part of the Hungarian constitution, the Preamble to which says, in part:

    We hold that after the decades of the twentieth century which led to a state of moral decay, we have an abiding need for spiritual and intellectual renewal.
     
    George Soros has never hidden his desire to spread secular liberal values to the former Soviet bloc countries. A few years back, the Obama-era USAID paired with Soros to translate and publish Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals into the Macedonian language, and distribute it there, to undermine the conservative government. In 2016, USAID announced a plan to spend $300,000 promoting “LGBTI inclusion” in Macedonia.
     
    George IslamoSoros represents a Clear & Present Muslim Danger to all Christians and Jews.

    Even if you personally are not thrilled with Palestinian Jews, think of them as among the most useful global allies one could have battling the sexual deviance of Islam. Understanding that Muslims prey on Infidel (Christian & Jewish) children as a core religious value of Jihad gives context to the struggle against George IslamoSoros's belief system. One must prioritize the worst threats and deal with them first.
    ____

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/01/21/target-israel-george-soros-funded-groups-leading-bds-war-on-jewish-state/

    (2) https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/viktor-orban-soros-university-hungary/

    (3) ibid
  57. @V. K. Ovelund
    @A123

    Of all I have seen you write, this may interest me most:


    That is how they found their leader, Emperor IslamoSoros.
     
    I hear the name of Soros so often taken in contempt that I assume that Soros is more an avatar or scapegoat than a real villain. There are vague accusations regarding currencies, public debt and district attorneys, but (except maybe when it comes to the district attorneys) few specifics I can readily understand.

    I understand the matter poorly. Why is my assumption wrong?

    (Some of your past answers have gotten retorts from me, but no retort will come this time. My question is no trap but just a question, if you have time to answer it. To show good faith, I should lay my cards on the table as it were: I assume that Soros is an avatar or scapegoat for approximately the same reason I assume that Hitler is an avatar or scapegoat: both get blamed for much by many who lack mastery of relevant facts. Aspersions in such a context grow hard to credit.)

    Replies: @A123

    I hear the name of Soros so often taken in contempt that I assume that Soros is more an avatar or scapegoat than a real villain.

    He is a real villain and very dangerous. George IslamoSoros is rich and pushes huge amounts of money into efforts to undermine Judeo-Christian values and beliefs.
    ___

    He is so dangerous that Palestinian Jews regularly warn about the danger he poses to themselves and the world: (1)

    Israel released a list of 20 BDS-supporting organizations whose members will be banned from entering Israel due to their BDS activism, prominently featuring six American groups. At least four of the six BDS-promoting U.S. groups receive funding tied to Soros. Scores of other U.S. organizations that support the BDS movement are financed by Soros.

    His family controls the Open Society Foundation [OSF], which is one of the primary backers of Mutti Merkel’s Muslim Rape-ugee invasion. Christian European countries, like Hungary and Poland, have been fighting this imminent threat to Christian children for some time. (2)

    In his email to Bloomberg Business, Soros referred to this plan, which you can read in full on the Soros website (GeorgeSoros.com). Excerpt:

    First, the EU has to accept at least a million asylum-seekers annually for the foreseeable future. And, to do that, it must share the burden fairly – a principle that a qualified majority finally established at last Wednesday’s summit.

    The IslamoSoros rage at his home country is so vicious that he created a “university” that existed solely to be a threat to Hungary’s Christians and the nation of Hungary. Its violations were so egregious, it was outlawed by the Hungarian government: (3)

    Orban considers Soros’s university to be an agent of real corruption in the heart of his embattled nation. Consider something as petty as the gender studies program at the university. That’s a garbage discipline that promotes an ideology that destroys marriage and family.

    part of the Hungarian constitution, the Preamble to which says, in part:

    We hold that after the decades of the twentieth century which led to a state of moral decay, we have an abiding need for spiritual and intellectual renewal.

    George Soros has never hidden his desire to spread secular liberal values to the former Soviet bloc countries. A few years back, the Obama-era USAID paired with Soros to translate and publish Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals into the Macedonian language, and distribute it there, to undermine the conservative government. In 2016, USAID announced a plan to spend $300,000 promoting “LGBTI inclusion” in Macedonia.

    George IslamoSoros represents a Clear & Present Muslim Danger to all Christians and Jews.

    Even if you personally are not thrilled with Palestinian Jews, think of them as among the most useful global allies one could have battling the sexual deviance of Islam. Understanding that Muslims prey on Infidel (Christian & Jewish) children as a core religious value of Jihad gives context to the struggle against George IslamoSoros’s belief system. One must prioritize the worst threats and deal with them first.
    ____

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/01/21/target-israel-george-soros-funded-groups-leading-bds-war-on-jewish-state/

    (2) https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/viktor-orban-soros-university-hungary/

    (3) ibid

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  58. @anon
    @Charles Pewitt

    How will Aunt Jemima fit into all that?

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Charles Pewitt

    Mr. Anon[245] says:

    How will Aunt Jemima fit into all that?

    I say:

    AUNT JEMIMA is a very stylish and distinguished and elegant and trim and proper Black Church Lady with curly yet wavy hair of a most lustrous black color that some might call raven-haired and she wears nice earings of an austere yet chic type and she wears white collared shirts and she eats pancakes and collard greens and she has a beautiful happy smile and AUNT JEMIMA can fit into all that and she can fit into any kind of clothes or outfits because she goes walking with UNCLE BEN and both AUNT JEMIMA and UNCLE BEN are very decent and honorable church people who believe strongly in God and their manners and deportment and their relations together are impeccable and civilized and beyond any kind of disparagement or impeachment.

    AUNT JEMIMA don’t twerk is a line I’d like to hear Robert Duvall deliver in his Lieutenant Colonel William “Bill” Kilgore, 1st Squadron, 9th Cavalry Regiment commander voice.

    IMPEACHMENT?

    Yeah! Impeach that muthaphucka Joe Biden and the whole law firm of Biden Harris and impeach every government worker whore who needs impeaching and there are a whole lot of them.

    Impeach all these so-called “centrist” whores in the US Congress who want to give state and local government workers 200 or 300 billion dollars and keep that Paycheck Protection Program scam going and the scam whereby unemployed boobs get 300 or 600 extra dollars a week or all the other damn scams those sonofabitches are cooking up.

    IMPEACH the brutes!

    Nationalize the Federal Reserve Bank now and electronically conjure up the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) now!

    Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) further explained:

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) will pay each American who has all blood ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 a cool ten thousand dollars a month. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank shall work together to conjure up the cash out of thin air, just like the ruling class is doing now.

  59. @Occasional lurker
    @dfordoom

    It already happened. What Google did to the Unz Review it did to the World Socialist Website years earlier. In Britain, Corbyn was fought to the teeth by the "Labour" Party establishment and all of the "left" leaning media for years. Goaded on by lobbyists, the German "Social" Democrats under Schröder together with the supposedly far left Greens pushed through all the neoliberal reforms that the conservatives under Kohl had shied away from. Influential old style social democrat left wingers like the popular Lafontaine were marginalized. The pacifist Greens were turned into an anti-Russian Nato progaganda outfit (their Böll foundation helps to foment unrest against pro-Russian governments in Eastern Europe). As soon as the Greens got anywhere near power, the pacifists lost influence/left politics (Antje Vollmer) or mysteriously died (Petra Kelly).
    The same thing -- a neocon-neoliberalization from within -- is now happening in the only true left wing opposition left in Germany (Die Linke): Intelligent and popular, populist old style leftist Sahra Wagenknecht was fought and successfully marginalized by "progressives" who talk of "liberal modernity" and will happily sell out much of the poarty's program for more refugees, minority quotas and some climate change mitigation should they ever become part of a govenment.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I might not always agree with their politics, but I’ll always have a soft spot for WSW for their coverage of the 1619 fracas, inviting in actual historians to go over the nuances of the time period. It was extremely educational.

    Even when I don’t agree with them, I’d happily read one of their articles over dealing with the talking heads or the Voxsplainers.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  60. @Mark G.
    @dfordoom


    Economic libertarianism is an obscure fringe cult that has no hope of ever gaining a mass following.

     

    And yet the less economically libertarian a country is, the less people want to move there. A recent Index of Economic Freedom put out by the Heritage Foundation lists the Republic of Congo, Eritrea, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea as having the least economic freedom and Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Australia and Switzerland as having the most. People aren't flocking to get into Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom

    Replies: @nebulafox

    True, but let’s not pretend those economically free nations subscribe to GOP economic ideology, either… “If Singapore is a nanny state, I’m proud to have fostered one.”

    The state is a tool. The market is a tool. No more, no less. Ideology is stupid. Try a policy, taking into account your national realities: yes, Singapore has a successful, affordable government sponsored health care system that does not leave you prey to insurance vultures if you have a stroke of misfortune, but it also does not have US rates of obesity or as open of an immigration system or near as many people over near as much land. See if it works. If it does, keep it. If it does not, discard it and try a different one.

    Whatever the US has is not working. And indeed, seems to mix the absolute worst aspects of the public sector and private sector through socializing costs and privatizing gains-especially for those with the right connections in the Beltway.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    The state is a tool. The market is a tool. No more, no less.
     
    John Boyd once said, "People first, ideas second, hardware third" (whereas, in comparison, the Pentagon runs the other way in priorities).

    Ideas (or ideologies or theories or principles) are tools, ways of organizing thoughts and finding better ways of doing things. But at the end of the day, they have to serve people, not people serve ideas. The "free market" should exist to make people more prosperous, not people exist to make the market "free."


    Whatever the US has is not working. And indeed, seems to mix the absolute worst aspects of the public sector and private sector through socializing costs and privatizing gains-especially for those with the right connections in the Beltway.
     
    I wholeheartedly agree that the insurance system in the U.S. is badly broken and serves no one, but the insurance industry. Those ignorant of facts assign the blame to providers, e.g. doctors, but it's the insurance industry that is raking in the billions and distorting the healthcare system.

    Also, people who compare health outcomes across the countries are engaging in sophistry. As you point out, factors such as genetics* and obesity play huge roles in determining health outcomes. When you simply compare treatment efficacy of the healthcare system, e.g. using the cancer survival rate by country, you see that the American healthcare system is probably the best in the world:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/09/article-1234276-078644B1000005DC-334_468x316.jpg

    *Hispanics in the U.S. are poorer and have worse access to healthcare (as well as higher obesity) than non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., yet have higher lifespans.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  61. @anon
    @nebulafox

    But the dollar is going to break.

    I have a relative who agrees, and who moved into gold in a big way as soon as he saw clearly the dollar was doomed....in 1999. Right before Y2K was going to end the industrial world. We all remember when the industrial world ended; all the banks collapsed overnight, no cars would start, railroad locomotives stopped on the tracks, the entire world power grid went down and we all starved to death, right? We do remember that because it was inevitable and nothing, but nothing, could stop it. Certainly not scads of hours of mainframe remediation programming!

    The market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent. So while doomerism may be emotionally satisfying, it is generally a poor economic strategy. Also a poor life strategy.

    Endlessly moaning about doom while having no plan or action item to deal with even a piece of said doom....is just another form of mental masturbation. Not especially productive. I understand the emotional appeal. But it's just wasted energy that could be used for something else.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Audacious Epigone

    The market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent. So while doomerism may be emotionally satisfying, it is generally a poor economic strategy.

    You only need to remember two rules for playing in the Wall Street casino:

    1) Don’t fight the Fed!
    2) BTFD!

  62. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    An outlandishly corrupt gerontocracy opting for self-serving moralizing over policy, a two-track justice system, huge fancy missile systems coinciding with not being able to even maintain basic roads, access to "gateway" education based off patronage (complete with ethnic quotas, explicit and implicit), unsustainable entitlements leading to a fiscal black hole, tons of make-work, lack of social trust and social atomization, pop culture revolving around WWII nostalgia rather than the future...

    Replies: @Twinkie

    An outlandishly corrupt gerontocracy opting for self-serving moralizing over policy, a two-track justice system, huge fancy missile systems coinciding with not being able to even maintain basic roads, access to “gateway” education based off patronage (complete with ethnic quotas, explicit and implicit), unsustainable entitlements leading to a fiscal black hole, tons of make-work, lack of social trust and social atomization, pop culture revolving around WWII nostalgia rather than the future…

    Other than that, we are doing really well. I mean, look at all the Thai restaurants around here these days. 😉

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    It'd be funnier if that wasn't a dead serious argument that many people in America's upper-middle classes would make. ;)

    I knew a handful of people who grew up in the final years of the USSR and the aftermath in the sciences. It's really disturbing to reflect on our conversations nowadays, how eerie the similarities are in some respects. The mental image of having a really intimidating military coexisting with rotting roads and buildings, coinciding with a leadership class peddling nostalgia as policy, was the one that really stuck out in my mind when I made that comment. In fact, our current leadership is even more gerontocratic than the USSR's was: and it is even worse when you consider the Soviets had the excuse of having over 20 million people, disproportionately young men, wiped out by WWII. I'm not bashing old age and experience, but what we've got right now isn't good.

    (That's as good a reason as any as to why the USSR ultimately collapsed: there simply weren't enough men to keep the system going long-term, and this in spite of Communist emphasis on childbirth. It's also a factor behind a lot of the social problems that generated with alcoholism and abusive relationships: a major factor reason why a lot of women in Russia's far east and China's northeast gravitate toward the Chinese migrants for husband material, despite the Chinese men not being as charismatic or exciting as their own menfolk. Having too many men and not enough women as China and India do might be more potentially explosive, but it isn't like the opposite situation as seen in Russia and Central Africa is any prize.)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @iffen
    @Twinkie

    Other than that, we are doing really well. I mean, look at all the Thai restaurants around here these days. 😉

    Let them eat Thai, and they all have delivery.

  63. @nebulafox
    @Mark G.

    True, but let's not pretend those economically free nations subscribe to GOP economic ideology, either... "If Singapore is a nanny state, I'm proud to have fostered one."

    The state is a tool. The market is a tool. No more, no less. Ideology is stupid. Try a policy, taking into account your national realities: yes, Singapore has a successful, affordable government sponsored health care system that does not leave you prey to insurance vultures if you have a stroke of misfortune, but it also does not have US rates of obesity or as open of an immigration system or near as many people over near as much land. See if it works. If it does, keep it. If it does not, discard it and try a different one.

    Whatever the US has is not working. And indeed, seems to mix the absolute worst aspects of the public sector and private sector through socializing costs and privatizing gains-especially for those with the right connections in the Beltway.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The state is a tool. The market is a tool. No more, no less.

    John Boyd once said, “People first, ideas second, hardware third” (whereas, in comparison, the Pentagon runs the other way in priorities).

    Ideas (or ideologies or theories or principles) are tools, ways of organizing thoughts and finding better ways of doing things. But at the end of the day, they have to serve people, not people serve ideas. The “free market” should exist to make people more prosperous, not people exist to make the market “free.”

    Whatever the US has is not working. And indeed, seems to mix the absolute worst aspects of the public sector and private sector through socializing costs and privatizing gains-especially for those with the right connections in the Beltway.

    I wholeheartedly agree that the insurance system in the U.S. is badly broken and serves no one, but the insurance industry. Those ignorant of facts assign the blame to providers, e.g. doctors, but it’s the insurance industry that is raking in the billions and distorting the healthcare system.

    Also, people who compare health outcomes across the countries are engaging in sophistry. As you point out, factors such as genetics* and obesity play huge roles in determining health outcomes. When you simply compare treatment efficacy of the healthcare system, e.g. using the cancer survival rate by country, you see that the American healthcare system is probably the best in the world:

    *Hispanics in the U.S. are poorer and have worse access to healthcare (as well as higher obesity) than non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., yet have higher lifespans.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Far from me to denigrate the life of the mind because of my own inclinations, but things get deeply dangerous if a government is dominated by people whose lives are rooted wholly in ideas and not at all in reality. The great mass murders in recent human history all that dynamic to them: every last one of them.

    We have this strange idea in 21st Century America that formal education is connected to virtue or worse yet, common sense: leading to shock that faculty at Harvard could espouse CCP-esque views on freedom of speech. But I don't think history indicates that. Probably the closest we've come to a government fully dominated by intellectuals was the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, and a majority of participants in the Wannsee Conference as well as commanders of the Einsatzgruppen held doctorates. It's possible that an enhanced IQ could even make you a more fervent believer in ideologies that contradict empirical reality around you, because you have the intellectual capacity to accept abstract justifications for that. Not that this is always a bad thing, because human senses can and do deceive us: but it does have that downside.

    >*Hispanics in the U.S. are poorer and have worse access to healthcare (as well as higher obesity) than non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., yet have higher lifespans.

    Probably a lot of reasons behind this, but one thing I noted with my Mexican classmates growing up is that they typically had multiple generations within the household. It'd often be the grandparents picking up kids from football practice or work or whatever they had going on after school. Of course, this was economic necessity coinciding with culture: the parents would be finishing up work simultaneously. Still, their opinions were always sharply respected, even by full grown adults. They had a purpose, a function, and they were still moving. I think that's a common feature behind all the societies noted for long life spans, be they Okinawan, Adventist, or Sardinian.

    I don't want to romanticize this: people who laud more communal societies often don't reflect upon how sharply the personal freedom that is their preference in action, if not in rhetoric, tend to be curtailed in these societies. If you want some advantage, you have to give something up in return, even if that is your own free time or pleasures in the moment in the pursuit of training. But there is enough of a trade-off to question whether grandparents should be included as a handle within the nuclear families of their children.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Twinkie

  64. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    The state is a tool. The market is a tool. No more, no less.
     
    John Boyd once said, "People first, ideas second, hardware third" (whereas, in comparison, the Pentagon runs the other way in priorities).

    Ideas (or ideologies or theories or principles) are tools, ways of organizing thoughts and finding better ways of doing things. But at the end of the day, they have to serve people, not people serve ideas. The "free market" should exist to make people more prosperous, not people exist to make the market "free."


    Whatever the US has is not working. And indeed, seems to mix the absolute worst aspects of the public sector and private sector through socializing costs and privatizing gains-especially for those with the right connections in the Beltway.
     
    I wholeheartedly agree that the insurance system in the U.S. is badly broken and serves no one, but the insurance industry. Those ignorant of facts assign the blame to providers, e.g. doctors, but it's the insurance industry that is raking in the billions and distorting the healthcare system.

    Also, people who compare health outcomes across the countries are engaging in sophistry. As you point out, factors such as genetics* and obesity play huge roles in determining health outcomes. When you simply compare treatment efficacy of the healthcare system, e.g. using the cancer survival rate by country, you see that the American healthcare system is probably the best in the world:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/09/article-1234276-078644B1000005DC-334_468x316.jpg

    *Hispanics in the U.S. are poorer and have worse access to healthcare (as well as higher obesity) than non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., yet have higher lifespans.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Far from me to denigrate the life of the mind because of my own inclinations, but things get deeply dangerous if a government is dominated by people whose lives are rooted wholly in ideas and not at all in reality. The great mass murders in recent human history all that dynamic to them: every last one of them.

    We have this strange idea in 21st Century America that formal education is connected to virtue or worse yet, common sense: leading to shock that faculty at Harvard could espouse CCP-esque views on freedom of speech. But I don’t think history indicates that. Probably the closest we’ve come to a government fully dominated by intellectuals was the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, and a majority of participants in the Wannsee Conference as well as commanders of the Einsatzgruppen held doctorates. It’s possible that an enhanced IQ could even make you a more fervent believer in ideologies that contradict empirical reality around you, because you have the intellectual capacity to accept abstract justifications for that. Not that this is always a bad thing, because human senses can and do deceive us: but it does have that downside.

    >*Hispanics in the U.S. are poorer and have worse access to healthcare (as well as higher obesity) than non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., yet have higher lifespans.

    Probably a lot of reasons behind this, but one thing I noted with my Mexican classmates growing up is that they typically had multiple generations within the household. It’d often be the grandparents picking up kids from football practice or work or whatever they had going on after school. Of course, this was economic necessity coinciding with culture: the parents would be finishing up work simultaneously. Still, their opinions were always sharply respected, even by full grown adults. They had a purpose, a function, and they were still moving. I think that’s a common feature behind all the societies noted for long life spans, be they Okinawan, Adventist, or Sardinian.

    I don’t want to romanticize this: people who laud more communal societies often don’t reflect upon how sharply the personal freedom that is their preference in action, if not in rhetoric, tend to be curtailed in these societies. If you want some advantage, you have to give something up in return, even if that is your own free time or pleasures in the moment in the pursuit of training. But there is enough of a trade-off to question whether grandparents should be included as a handle within the nuclear families of their children.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    I don’t want to romanticize this: people who laud more communal societies often don’t reflect upon how sharply the personal freedom that is their preference in action, if not in rhetoric, tend to be curtailed in these societies.
     
    I don't think most people want to live in more communal societies and I don't think most people want to live in more traditional societies. For most people the idea of living in such a society would be a nightmare. Living in a communal and/or traditional society is an option which should be available but most people are not going to be interested.
    , @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    Probably a lot of reasons behind this
     
    Much of it is likely due to genetics. That’s a big part of health outcomes. It’s a bit scary to realize that, but there it is. Indians drop dead (at an early age) from heart disease, NE Asians (esp. Japanese and Koreans) die from cancer.
  65. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    An outlandishly corrupt gerontocracy opting for self-serving moralizing over policy, a two-track justice system, huge fancy missile systems coinciding with not being able to even maintain basic roads, access to “gateway” education based off patronage (complete with ethnic quotas, explicit and implicit), unsustainable entitlements leading to a fiscal black hole, tons of make-work, lack of social trust and social atomization, pop culture revolving around WWII nostalgia rather than the future…
     
    Other than that, we are doing really well. I mean, look at all the Thai restaurants around here these days. ;)

    Replies: @nebulafox, @iffen

    It’d be funnier if that wasn’t a dead serious argument that many people in America’s upper-middle classes would make. 😉

    I knew a handful of people who grew up in the final years of the USSR and the aftermath in the sciences. It’s really disturbing to reflect on our conversations nowadays, how eerie the similarities are in some respects. The mental image of having a really intimidating military coexisting with rotting roads and buildings, coinciding with a leadership class peddling nostalgia as policy, was the one that really stuck out in my mind when I made that comment. In fact, our current leadership is even more gerontocratic than the USSR’s was: and it is even worse when you consider the Soviets had the excuse of having over 20 million people, disproportionately young men, wiped out by WWII. I’m not bashing old age and experience, but what we’ve got right now isn’t good.

    (That’s as good a reason as any as to why the USSR ultimately collapsed: there simply weren’t enough men to keep the system going long-term, and this in spite of Communist emphasis on childbirth. It’s also a factor behind a lot of the social problems that generated with alcoholism and abusive relationships: a major factor reason why a lot of women in Russia’s far east and China’s northeast gravitate toward the Chinese migrants for husband material, despite the Chinese men not being as charismatic or exciting as their own menfolk. Having too many men and not enough women as China and India do might be more potentially explosive, but it isn’t like the opposite situation as seen in Russia and Central Africa is any prize.)

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    It’d be funnier if that wasn’t a dead serious argument that many people in America’s upper-middle classes would make. 😉
     
    It is funny precisely because that is what I get in response from SWPL-types.

    While Rome burns...
  66. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    An outlandishly corrupt gerontocracy opting for self-serving moralizing over policy, a two-track justice system, huge fancy missile systems coinciding with not being able to even maintain basic roads, access to “gateway” education based off patronage (complete with ethnic quotas, explicit and implicit), unsustainable entitlements leading to a fiscal black hole, tons of make-work, lack of social trust and social atomization, pop culture revolving around WWII nostalgia rather than the future…
     
    Other than that, we are doing really well. I mean, look at all the Thai restaurants around here these days. ;)

    Replies: @nebulafox, @iffen

    Other than that, we are doing really well. I mean, look at all the Thai restaurants around here these days. 😉

    Let them eat Thai, and they all have delivery.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  67. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Far from me to denigrate the life of the mind because of my own inclinations, but things get deeply dangerous if a government is dominated by people whose lives are rooted wholly in ideas and not at all in reality. The great mass murders in recent human history all that dynamic to them: every last one of them.

    We have this strange idea in 21st Century America that formal education is connected to virtue or worse yet, common sense: leading to shock that faculty at Harvard could espouse CCP-esque views on freedom of speech. But I don't think history indicates that. Probably the closest we've come to a government fully dominated by intellectuals was the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, and a majority of participants in the Wannsee Conference as well as commanders of the Einsatzgruppen held doctorates. It's possible that an enhanced IQ could even make you a more fervent believer in ideologies that contradict empirical reality around you, because you have the intellectual capacity to accept abstract justifications for that. Not that this is always a bad thing, because human senses can and do deceive us: but it does have that downside.

    >*Hispanics in the U.S. are poorer and have worse access to healthcare (as well as higher obesity) than non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., yet have higher lifespans.

    Probably a lot of reasons behind this, but one thing I noted with my Mexican classmates growing up is that they typically had multiple generations within the household. It'd often be the grandparents picking up kids from football practice or work or whatever they had going on after school. Of course, this was economic necessity coinciding with culture: the parents would be finishing up work simultaneously. Still, their opinions were always sharply respected, even by full grown adults. They had a purpose, a function, and they were still moving. I think that's a common feature behind all the societies noted for long life spans, be they Okinawan, Adventist, or Sardinian.

    I don't want to romanticize this: people who laud more communal societies often don't reflect upon how sharply the personal freedom that is their preference in action, if not in rhetoric, tend to be curtailed in these societies. If you want some advantage, you have to give something up in return, even if that is your own free time or pleasures in the moment in the pursuit of training. But there is enough of a trade-off to question whether grandparents should be included as a handle within the nuclear families of their children.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Twinkie

    I don’t want to romanticize this: people who laud more communal societies often don’t reflect upon how sharply the personal freedom that is their preference in action, if not in rhetoric, tend to be curtailed in these societies.

    I don’t think most people want to live in more communal societies and I don’t think most people want to live in more traditional societies. For most people the idea of living in such a society would be a nightmare. Living in a communal and/or traditional society is an option which should be available but most people are not going to be interested.

  68. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    It'd be funnier if that wasn't a dead serious argument that many people in America's upper-middle classes would make. ;)

    I knew a handful of people who grew up in the final years of the USSR and the aftermath in the sciences. It's really disturbing to reflect on our conversations nowadays, how eerie the similarities are in some respects. The mental image of having a really intimidating military coexisting with rotting roads and buildings, coinciding with a leadership class peddling nostalgia as policy, was the one that really stuck out in my mind when I made that comment. In fact, our current leadership is even more gerontocratic than the USSR's was: and it is even worse when you consider the Soviets had the excuse of having over 20 million people, disproportionately young men, wiped out by WWII. I'm not bashing old age and experience, but what we've got right now isn't good.

    (That's as good a reason as any as to why the USSR ultimately collapsed: there simply weren't enough men to keep the system going long-term, and this in spite of Communist emphasis on childbirth. It's also a factor behind a lot of the social problems that generated with alcoholism and abusive relationships: a major factor reason why a lot of women in Russia's far east and China's northeast gravitate toward the Chinese migrants for husband material, despite the Chinese men not being as charismatic or exciting as their own menfolk. Having too many men and not enough women as China and India do might be more potentially explosive, but it isn't like the opposite situation as seen in Russia and Central Africa is any prize.)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    It’d be funnier if that wasn’t a dead serious argument that many people in America’s upper-middle classes would make. 😉

    It is funny precisely because that is what I get in response from SWPL-types.

    While Rome burns…

  69. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Far from me to denigrate the life of the mind because of my own inclinations, but things get deeply dangerous if a government is dominated by people whose lives are rooted wholly in ideas and not at all in reality. The great mass murders in recent human history all that dynamic to them: every last one of them.

    We have this strange idea in 21st Century America that formal education is connected to virtue or worse yet, common sense: leading to shock that faculty at Harvard could espouse CCP-esque views on freedom of speech. But I don't think history indicates that. Probably the closest we've come to a government fully dominated by intellectuals was the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, and a majority of participants in the Wannsee Conference as well as commanders of the Einsatzgruppen held doctorates. It's possible that an enhanced IQ could even make you a more fervent believer in ideologies that contradict empirical reality around you, because you have the intellectual capacity to accept abstract justifications for that. Not that this is always a bad thing, because human senses can and do deceive us: but it does have that downside.

    >*Hispanics in the U.S. are poorer and have worse access to healthcare (as well as higher obesity) than non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., yet have higher lifespans.

    Probably a lot of reasons behind this, but one thing I noted with my Mexican classmates growing up is that they typically had multiple generations within the household. It'd often be the grandparents picking up kids from football practice or work or whatever they had going on after school. Of course, this was economic necessity coinciding with culture: the parents would be finishing up work simultaneously. Still, their opinions were always sharply respected, even by full grown adults. They had a purpose, a function, and they were still moving. I think that's a common feature behind all the societies noted for long life spans, be they Okinawan, Adventist, or Sardinian.

    I don't want to romanticize this: people who laud more communal societies often don't reflect upon how sharply the personal freedom that is their preference in action, if not in rhetoric, tend to be curtailed in these societies. If you want some advantage, you have to give something up in return, even if that is your own free time or pleasures in the moment in the pursuit of training. But there is enough of a trade-off to question whether grandparents should be included as a handle within the nuclear families of their children.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Twinkie

    Probably a lot of reasons behind this

    Much of it is likely due to genetics. That’s a big part of health outcomes. It’s a bit scary to realize that, but there it is. Indians drop dead (at an early age) from heart disease, NE Asians (esp. Japanese and Koreans) die from cancer.

  70. @dfordoom

    Big Tech will be silencing genuine leftwing populism the same way it has silenced the right.
     
    That's actually a very big issue. In the near future maybe people will finally figure out that the Democratic Party in its current form (and this is true of other "left" parties in other parts of the Anglosphere) is in no way, shape or from left-wing.

    In fact it's likely that left-wing populism will be silenced even more completely than right-wing populism. Because it's more a threat, and because the neo-liberal establishment hates and fears left-wing populism more than it hates and fears right-wing populism.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Occasional lurker, @Malla, @Malla

    Outright Communist/ Marxist channels are available on super rich capitalist jewtube but many “right winged” channels are purged. All of Hitler’s speeches have been purged years ago.. Once can listen to the official anthem of the Soviet Union but not Horst Wessel Lied easily.
    There is an interesting channel called the Ushanka Show by a person who lived in the USSR and now lives in the USA.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClXTAMdHwvWdmFyOlQmEtpQ
    The channel is not anti-Soviet, it is just about explaining how life was in the USSR for people who never lived in the USSR, many a times giving a positive view of Soviet life. But in one channel the channel host criticized Lenin and super rich super corporate jew-tube/ jewgle demonetized some of his videos. So lemme get dis straight, a huge evul Capitalist corporation does not like criticisms of Communist Comrade Lenin!!!! We are not surprised.

  71. @dfordoom

    Big Tech will be silencing genuine leftwing populism the same way it has silenced the right.
     
    That's actually a very big issue. In the near future maybe people will finally figure out that the Democratic Party in its current form (and this is true of other "left" parties in other parts of the Anglosphere) is in no way, shape or from left-wing.

    In fact it's likely that left-wing populism will be silenced even more completely than right-wing populism. Because it's more a threat, and because the neo-liberal establishment hates and fears left-wing populism more than it hates and fears right-wing populism.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Occasional lurker, @Malla, @Malla

    Outright Communist/ Marxist channels are available on super rich capitalist jewtube but many “right winged” channels are purged. All of Hitler’s speeches have been purged years ago.. Once can listen to the official anthem of the Soviet Union but not Horst Wessel Lied easily.
    There is an interesting channel called the Ushanka Show by a person who lived in the USSR and now lives in the USA.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClXTAMdHwvWdmFyOlQmEtpQ
    The channel is not anti-Soviet, it is just about explaining how life was in the USSR for people who never lived in the USSR, many a times giving a positive view of Soviet life. But in one channel the channel host criticized Lenin and super rich super corporate jew-tube/ jewgle demonetized some of his videos. So lemme get dis straight, a huge evul Capitalist corporation does not like criticisms of Communist Comrade Lenin!!!! We are not surprised.

  72. @Daniel H
    To the chagrin of the impotent AOC/Sanders wing of the party,

    Gosh, Alexandra Ocasio Cortez has no idea of the power and influence that could be in her hands. If only she weren't so stupid/clueless/unlearned.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Bill, @Audacious Epigone

    Bernie Sanders has garnered begrudging acceptance by the DNC over the last five years. Can you tell me what else his movement has gotten?

  73. @Chrisnonymous

    Big Tech will be silencing genuine leftwing populism the same way it has silenced the right.
     
    This statement not endorsed by non-binary programmers in Mountain View.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    The programmers aren’t the Woke ones.

  74. @anon
    @nebulafox

    But the dollar is going to break.

    I have a relative who agrees, and who moved into gold in a big way as soon as he saw clearly the dollar was doomed....in 1999. Right before Y2K was going to end the industrial world. We all remember when the industrial world ended; all the banks collapsed overnight, no cars would start, railroad locomotives stopped on the tracks, the entire world power grid went down and we all starved to death, right? We do remember that because it was inevitable and nothing, but nothing, could stop it. Certainly not scads of hours of mainframe remediation programming!

    The market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent. So while doomerism may be emotionally satisfying, it is generally a poor economic strategy. Also a poor life strategy.

    Endlessly moaning about doom while having no plan or action item to deal with even a piece of said doom....is just another form of mental masturbation. Not especially productive. I understand the emotional appeal. But it's just wasted energy that could be used for something else.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Audacious Epigone

    If he moved into gold in 1999, he’s done pretty well for himself.

    In late 2018, the Fed tried to raise interest rates and the market collapsed. There is no way out of this trap.

  75. @Pericles
    @Twinkie


    Of course, if right-wing populism were harnessed intelligently by an attractive, principled figure, it would be even more powerful, but that, too, is asking for a lot of preconditions.

     

    Like Ron Paul?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Audacious Epigone

    Ron Paul is a brave, courageous, principled man but he’s not personally attractive or charismatic and those things are important.

    Still, without the Ron Paul ‘revolution’ of 2008 and to a lesser extent 2012, it’s plausible that there wouldn’t have been the Trump moment in 2016.

    • Disagree: iffen

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