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Like everything else in modern America, the Covid poke or parry is highly partisan:

If there is a Covid kill switch, too many deplorables are going to escape it. If refusing to take the jab is playing Russian roulette with one’s health, too many deplorables are going to… die? That doesn’t sound like an outcome that would much bother the powers that be, so it is curious there is a concerted effort by the Establishment to reach out in putatively good faith to their political obstacles:

For the cynical non-InfoWars take, note that Big Pharma spent a lot of money ensuring Biden was elected.

 
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  1. The sad thing is that well over 50% of Americans have taken or intend to take an emergency experimental jab with unknown downstream consequences for a virus that damn near a 100% survive. Wtf.

    • Agree: Jay Fink, Realist, Adam Smith
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @usNthem


    The sad thing is that well over 50% of Americans have taken or intend to take an emergency experimental jab with unknown downstream consequences for a virus that damn near a 100% survive. Wtf.
     
    There's no polite what to say it. This is frankly ... stupid.

    Why accept "damn near 100%" survival, when i can make it basically 100% with the vax. (Or at least cut the mortality 10X.)

    Why accept the "unknown downstream consequences" of getting the virus, which we already know can be pretty damn bad as it's a vascular attack and a fair number of people who get it and survive have continuing issues, and studies--like the big VA study--already show it raises downstream mortality significantly, when you can take a vax using the same spike protein to induce immunity but skip the nasty vascular attack?

    This "experimental vax" is a naturalistic fallacy: that there's this natural "bug" out there and then some mysterious "big pharma" "experimental" vax.

    No. Both the virus and the vax are "experimental" as in came out of the lab less than 2 years old.


    The vax uses the same spike protein--stabilized--to induce immunity, but avoids actually having this nasty bug which attacks the vascular system. A year's worth of data on it and it beats the hell outta getting the bug.

    This is called a "no brainer".


    It's unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that's no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines--hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease we've had since the neolithic revolution--are the best damn thing modern medicine has given us, and the 2nd best public health advance after sewers/clean-water-supply.

    Encouraging people to skip the bug is encouraging them to eventually get this bug--with a decent chance of impaired health from it down the road.

    Replies: @sideshow_bob, @V. K. Ovelund, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Adam Smith, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Realist

  2. Everywhere that covid ran rampant produced a deadlier variant.

    We don’t really care if deplorables succumb to Darwinism, we just don’t want them infecting us with super-covid on their way out.

    Please note that The Atlantic basically admitted as much in an article published last week.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Black woman

    Got a link?

    Replies: @Black woman

    , @MarkU
    @Black woman

    You really should look into the concept of immune escape. A leaky vaccine produces selection pressure on viruses in much the same way that antibiotic resistance arises in bacteria. The arrival of new variants appears to be concentrated in countries with high vaccination rates, not low vaccination rates. Blaming unvaccinated people for the appearance of new variants is probably getting it backwards. If you look at the case of India, the number of cases took off in a big way just after the vaccinations started. If you look at the records of the most vaccinated countries, Israel, UK, US etc you will find their mortality rate is nothing to be proud of. In short, you have no reason to equate lack of vaccination with extra risk or new variants.

    The drive to vaccinate everyone (including young healthy people at no appreciable risk) with experimental vaccines with no long term trials is grossly irresponsible in my view. The policy seems more aimed at eliminating any significant control group in order to muddy the waters if or when long term symptoms appear than anything else. In the natural course of events viruses tend to get less dangerous to their hosts. Vaccinating people at risk (generally the elderly) is fair enough, for the others natural immunity from exposure is quite adequate (though not as profitable for big pharma)

    It should also be mentioned that Covid-19 is treatable, especially in the early stages. How many lives have been lost due to deliberate suppression of cheap and commonly available treatments? Some doctors reckon that up to 85% of hospitalisations could have been avoided.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Black woman

    , @DanHessinMD
    @Black woman

    "We don’t really care if deplorables succumb to Darwinism, we just don’t want them infecting us with super-covid on their way out."

    You seem pleasant.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @White man
    @Black woman

    What are you saying then? That the vaccines are essentially useless due to mutations? The vaccines don't even stop the spread of the original variant, they only reduce symptoms.

  3. If they can coerce everyone to get the jab, they will have eliminated the control group. It has already been revealed that Covid vaccine investigators are trying to get the control groups vaccinated too, with the excuse that it would unethical to withhold these safe, effective vaccines merely to preserve the studies integrity.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Dutch Boy


    If they can coerce everyone to get the jab, they will have eliminated the control group.
     
    Most of the world isn't vaccinated. A lot of people are vaccinated with non-Zone-A vaccines. Control groups won't be missing, that's for sure.

    Also, top racism:

    Canadian city Hamilton opens up vaccine eligibility to people 18 and over in outbreak hot spots, as long as they aren't WHITE

    https://twitter.com/metebelis_3/status/1386727976549629952

    Also from the guy who is of the opinion that free, debuggable, modifiable and safe software (qualities not naturally seen in Microsoft products, especially before 2005) is "communism" and unethical:

    Bill Gates says ‘NO’ to opening vaccine patents – adds it probably won’t take a DECADE for poor nations to get the jab


    Vaccines developed by pharmaceutical giants like Pfizer and Moderna enjoy global protection under the World Trade Organization (WTO). Considering the scarcity of the medicines, there have been increasing calls from countries like India and South Africa, international relief organizations and public figures to waive those protections so that poorer countries can get better access to the medicines.

    However, one of the most publicized figures in the global vaccination campaign, Bill Gates, apparently believes it’s a bad idea. When asked by Sky News’ Sophy Ridge if stripping intellectual property protections from vaccine recipes would be helpful, the founder of Microsoft responded with an emphatic “No.”
     

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  4. @Dutch Boy
    If they can coerce everyone to get the jab, they will have eliminated the control group. It has already been revealed that Covid vaccine investigators are trying to get the control groups vaccinated too, with the excuse that it would unethical to withhold these safe, effective vaccines merely to preserve the studies integrity.

    Replies: @El Dato

    If they can coerce everyone to get the jab, they will have eliminated the control group.

    Most of the world isn’t vaccinated. A lot of people are vaccinated with non-Zone-A vaccines. Control groups won’t be missing, that’s for sure.

    Also, top racism:

    Canadian city Hamilton opens up vaccine eligibility to people 18 and over in outbreak hot spots, as long as they aren’t WHITE

    Also from the guy who is of the opinion that free, debuggable, modifiable and safe software (qualities not naturally seen in Microsoft products, especially before 2005) is “communism” and unethical:

    Bill Gates says ‘NO’ to opening vaccine patents – adds it probably won’t take a DECADE for poor nations to get the jab

    Vaccines developed by pharmaceutical giants like Pfizer and Moderna enjoy global protection under the World Trade Organization (WTO). Considering the scarcity of the medicines, there have been increasing calls from countries like India and South Africa, international relief organizations and public figures to waive those protections so that poorer countries can get better access to the medicines.

    However, one of the most publicized figures in the global vaccination campaign, Bill Gates, apparently believes it’s a bad idea. When asked by Sky News’ Sophy Ridge if stripping intellectual property protections from vaccine recipes would be helpful, the founder of Microsoft responded with an emphatic “No.”

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @El Dato


    Most of the world isn’t vaccinated. A lot of people are vaccinated with non-Zone-A vaccines. Control groups won’t be missing, that’s for sure.
     
    The point about control groups is that their circumstances should resemble those of the experimental gene therapiedvaccinated group. So New Guinea, for example, would not be a good control group for New Jersey, despite the similarity of their names and populations.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Charles Pewitt

  5. A ‘full tinfoil’ deadly vax account, includes that the vaccines are massively ‘shedding’ diseases to others, which in a matter of months from now will kill masses of millions of humans, either everyone including the vaxxed, or perhaps letting some of the vaxxed survive as the more-obedient sheep who can live a little longer as elite servants … so maybe a half-vaxxed population is enough to have the killing machine run at max level

    There’s ongoing discussion as to whether the more extreme ‘vaxxes may kill hundreds of millions shortly’ views of those like ex-Pfizer exec Dr Michael Yeadon, are controlled opposition to discredit anti-vax discussion, versus a ‘lighter’ scenario of just slow-burn vax-related ongoing death, paralysis and maiming, plus lower birth rate and some female sterilisation, which does seem to be happening, cf. the 7,766 vax dead and 330,218 vax injured globally counted by an EU-tied agency

    13 second clip of news anchor who freudian slips during a corona vax report, saying that “They are running out of people who want to be euthanized”, TikTok vid hosted on Jim Stone’s site – scroll down a little or search the page for word ‘euthanized’
    http://www.jimstone.is

  6. @El Dato
    @Dutch Boy


    If they can coerce everyone to get the jab, they will have eliminated the control group.
     
    Most of the world isn't vaccinated. A lot of people are vaccinated with non-Zone-A vaccines. Control groups won't be missing, that's for sure.

    Also, top racism:

    Canadian city Hamilton opens up vaccine eligibility to people 18 and over in outbreak hot spots, as long as they aren't WHITE

    https://twitter.com/metebelis_3/status/1386727976549629952

    Also from the guy who is of the opinion that free, debuggable, modifiable and safe software (qualities not naturally seen in Microsoft products, especially before 2005) is "communism" and unethical:

    Bill Gates says ‘NO’ to opening vaccine patents – adds it probably won’t take a DECADE for poor nations to get the jab


    Vaccines developed by pharmaceutical giants like Pfizer and Moderna enjoy global protection under the World Trade Organization (WTO). Considering the scarcity of the medicines, there have been increasing calls from countries like India and South Africa, international relief organizations and public figures to waive those protections so that poorer countries can get better access to the medicines.

    However, one of the most publicized figures in the global vaccination campaign, Bill Gates, apparently believes it’s a bad idea. When asked by Sky News’ Sophy Ridge if stripping intellectual property protections from vaccine recipes would be helpful, the founder of Microsoft responded with an emphatic “No.”
     

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Most of the world isn’t vaccinated. A lot of people are vaccinated with non-Zone-A vaccines. Control groups won’t be missing, that’s for sure.

    The point about control groups is that their circumstances should resemble those of the experimental gene therapiedvaccinated group. So New Guinea, for example, would not be a good control group for New Jersey, despite the similarity of their names and populations.

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Almost Missouri


    So New Guinea... New Jersey... the similarity of their... populations.
     
    I see you've been to the Jersey Shore.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    @Almost Missouri

    The point about control groups is that their circumstances should resemble those of the experimental gene therapiedvaccinated group. So New Guinea, for example, would not be a good control group for New Jersey, despite the similarity of their names and populations.

    Two Jews walk into a bar and start singing:

    "I'd rather be a Guinea than a Wop, yes I would, if I could, I surely would."

    "I'd rather be a Dego than a Goombah, yes I would, if I only could, I surely would."

    I am one quarter Italian through my grandfather Manlio Bongiovanni and he was born around 1900 in New York state and I believe it was a place called Rome, New York. I never met him but he was a detective in Newark, New Jersey when Newark was civilized.

    Connecticut Anglo-Saxons made a Viking raid into the area of New Jersey that became Newark when Connecticut was full of Anglo-Saxons with crazy balls and now the Connecticut Anglo-Saxons are full of shrimp salad sandwiches and gin and tonics and the plutocrat ones and the Upper Middle Class ones are now full of this so-called "woke" shit.

    I love Italians and Italians in Ohio and Pennsylvania and Florida and other states helped Trump win the Electoral College in 2016.

    Don Rickles would be hounded off the internet if he tried the kind of ethnic comedy that was still a part of American life when I was a kid.

    New Guinea reminds me of the Kokoda Trail and the antipodean Anglo-Celts held the Japanese military off there in muddy, miserable conditions.

  7. I had my first dose a couple of weeks back and I’ll get the second dose soon. I will be the last adult in my family to be vaccinated and, after that, we are going out to eat for the first time in over a year (we have had lots of pickups, but no in-dining).

    My wife was vaccinated months ago – she’s still alive. But she did give me permission to put a bullet into her head and marry a much younger woman (you know, for the children, so that they can have an energetic mom) IF she turned into a zombie after the vaccination. 😉

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Twinkie


    I will be the last adult in my family to be vaccinated and, after that, we are going out to eat for the first time in over a year (we have had lots of pickups, but no in-dining).
     
    Don't forget to wear a mask.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Truth
    @Twinkie


    I had my first dose a couple of weeks back and I’ll get the second dose soon.
     
    That would be making the second biggest mistake of your life, Old Sport. The first was taking the first dose; but there is time to reconsider.
    , @John Johnson
    @Twinkie

    My wife was vaccinated months ago – she’s still alive. But she did give me permission to put a bullet into her head and marry a much younger woman (you know, for the children, so that they can have an energetic mom) IF she turned into a zombie after the vaccination.

    I should have made that deal but ended up getting tentacles and not zombie wife.

    Pfizer is tentacles and Moderna is zombie wife.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

  8. @Almost Missouri
    @El Dato


    Most of the world isn’t vaccinated. A lot of people are vaccinated with non-Zone-A vaccines. Control groups won’t be missing, that’s for sure.
     
    The point about control groups is that their circumstances should resemble those of the experimental gene therapiedvaccinated group. So New Guinea, for example, would not be a good control group for New Jersey, despite the similarity of their names and populations.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Charles Pewitt

    So New Guinea… New Jersey… the similarity of their… populations.

    I see you’ve been to the Jersey Shore.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke, Realist
  9. Allow me to quote myself:

    The loss of confidence in institutions that are inimical is a good thing in that it provides the opportunity for reform or replacement movements to grow. As usual it is a double-edged sword because no doubt it likely is the main reason the Covid vaccination rate seems to be stalling at about 50-60%.

    so it is curious there is a concerted effort by the Establishment to putatively reach out in putatively good faith to their political obstacles:

    Maybe they just want to force white people to get vaccinated in order to protect blacks that won’t get vaccinated. I am interested in seeing the final vaccination rates by race before coercive measures become widespread.

  10. If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care?

    But I won’t have the vax. It’s made by the same people who made the disease. People who invent new diseases should be publicly executed.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @WorkingClass


    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care? But I won’t have the vax.
     
    Same here, WC. I'm 63, but I figure between the motorcycles and receiving a head shot to the old ear-hole by a golf ball from an adjoining fairway, I got enough ways to get killed in my old age. And so, why risk the slightest debilitation from a vaccine when it's been 18 months C-19 is on the viral road and I haven't had so much as a sniffle. Also, to add, I've done two or three negative tests after plane flights into Boston. Four or five, actually. Regulation is, a negative test is how you legally break 14-day quarantine after a flight into Boston's Logan International. Throughout, I've suffered nothing (he said, right before dying from a shifted-antigen variant spun off by someone who's been vaxxed).

    Still, I'm not important to the world in a productive sense, other than the money I spend, I'm just a useless hedonist, retired, reduced to bumming around on motorcycles, golf courses and the sort of women you run into around Boston in the summer and Tampa in the winter. Why risk being the one-in-a-thousand that croaks or is damaged? I actually believe every shot damages you because they're messing with the goo of life, your DNA. They say it's for a noble cause, but don't you believe it.

    This will be revealed to be a medical-industry grade Edsel. Except this hedonist here ain't buying.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @follyofwar

    , @John Johnson
    @WorkingClass

    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care?

    I know someone under 50 that was hospitalized for nearly a month. No pre-existing conditions.

    His family was put through pure torture. I'm amazed they could show up for work. His hospital stay (including air lift) was over 100k. So it isn't just about you.

    But I won’t have the vax. It’s made by the same people who made the disease.

    So Johnson and Johnson products include shampoos, band aids, eye drops and coronaviruses that just happen to outbreak near a Chinese virology lab?

    Replies: @Truth, @WorkingClass, @Hippopotamusdrome

  11. @Black woman
    Everywhere that covid ran rampant produced a deadlier variant.

    We don't really care if deplorables succumb to Darwinism, we just don't want them infecting us with super-covid on their way out.

    Please note that The Atlantic basically admitted as much in an article published last week.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @MarkU, @DanHessinMD, @White man

    Got a link?

    • Replies: @Black woman
    @TomSchmidt

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/618573/

  12. @WorkingClass
    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care?

    But I won't have the vax. It's made by the same people who made the disease. People who invent new diseases should be publicly executed.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @John Johnson

    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care? But I won’t have the vax.

    Same here, WC. I’m 63, but I figure between the motorcycles and receiving a head shot to the old ear-hole by a golf ball from an adjoining fairway, I got enough ways to get killed in my old age. And so, why risk the slightest debilitation from a vaccine when it’s been 18 months C-19 is on the viral road and I haven’t had so much as a sniffle. Also, to add, I’ve done two or three negative tests after plane flights into Boston. Four or five, actually. Regulation is, a negative test is how you legally break 14-day quarantine after a flight into Boston’s Logan International. Throughout, I’ve suffered nothing (he said, right before dying from a shifted-antigen variant spun off by someone who’s been vaxxed).

    Still, I’m not important to the world in a productive sense, other than the money I spend, I’m just a useless hedonist, retired, reduced to bumming around on motorcycles, golf courses and the sort of women you run into around Boston in the summer and Tampa in the winter. Why risk being the one-in-a-thousand that croaks or is damaged? I actually believe every shot damages you because they’re messing with the goo of life, your DNA. They say it’s for a noble cause, but don’t you believe it.

    This will be revealed to be a medical-industry grade Edsel. Except this hedonist here ain’t buying.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jim Christian

    "messing with the goo of life"

    aka natural immunity

    , @follyofwar
    @Jim Christian

    I not only won't get Biden's (really Trump's) warp-speed, molecule-messing, experimental Covid jab, I haven't received a seasonal flu shot in 20 years. Result: No flu in the last 20 years, though I used to take it when younger, and wound up deathly sick a few times, hugging the toilet for days. And also I've had no sign of Covid, though many friends and family brag that they had it and survived, even though they were afraid to see the doctor to verify if they had it. Didn't want to face quarantine, I guess.

    I've also never taken one of those phony, rigged PCR tests. If I can't get to where I want to go by driving, I'm just staying home. What fun is it to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars going on vacation when you can't even see the faces of all the pretty ladies? Maybe no hotel would rent this leper a room anyway.

    Once I'm no longer allowed into the grocery store, I'll call in my order and have it delivered. If they refuse to do that, I guess I'll starve after I run out of food in the house. It's been a nice run, and I need to lose some weight anyway.

  13. The farther you go in college the less you are able to think for yourself…it didn’t use to be that way.

    Democrats are least able to think for themselves…it has always been that way.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Realist

    The farther you go in college the less you are able to think for yourself…it didn’t use to be that way.

    It is only this way for the left dominated fields.....which unfortunately is most of them.

    There is a self-selection process at work. After seeing what my friend had to do in his education classes there was no way I could sit through them. The amount of left-wing BS was unbelievable. There was constant blame of Whites and society for racial gaps and objective thinking was treated with disdain.

    I was really annoyed by how White women would dominate these classes and just mindlessly nod to everything they were told. Pretty much a left-wing estrogen feelings fest.

    And they are all teachers now.

    , @nebulafox
    @Realist

    OT:

    It's never too late to get started on your real education at your local library or by pirating stuff online, if you don't have the funds to buy books yet. (Well, pre-COVID. Where I am, the governor seems more likely to make libraries into homeless shelters than to re-open them for their intended purpose.) Harder, sure: this I know! Especially with left-brain topics, you might need to find other people.

    But never too late. Above all, don't let previous negative experiences interfere with shaping your brain, anymore than with the body.

    Replies: @Realist

  14. @Twinkie
    I had my first dose a couple of weeks back and I'll get the second dose soon. I will be the last adult in my family to be vaccinated and, after that, we are going out to eat for the first time in over a year (we have had lots of pickups, but no in-dining).

    My wife was vaccinated months ago - she's still alive. But she did give me permission to put a bullet into her head and marry a much younger woman (you know, for the children, so that they can have an energetic mom) IF she turned into a zombie after the vaccination. ;)

    Replies: @Realist, @Truth, @John Johnson

    I will be the last adult in my family to be vaccinated and, after that, we are going out to eat for the first time in over a year (we have had lots of pickups, but no in-dining).

    Don’t forget to wear a mask.

    • LOL: WorkingClass
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Realist


    Don’t forget to wear a mask.
     
    We will, except when eating.

    Replies: @Realist, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @dfordoom

  15. @Black woman
    Everywhere that covid ran rampant produced a deadlier variant.

    We don't really care if deplorables succumb to Darwinism, we just don't want them infecting us with super-covid on their way out.

    Please note that The Atlantic basically admitted as much in an article published last week.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @MarkU, @DanHessinMD, @White man

    You really should look into the concept of immune escape. A leaky vaccine produces selection pressure on viruses in much the same way that antibiotic resistance arises in bacteria. The arrival of new variants appears to be concentrated in countries with high vaccination rates, not low vaccination rates. Blaming unvaccinated people for the appearance of new variants is probably getting it backwards. If you look at the case of India, the number of cases took off in a big way just after the vaccinations started. If you look at the records of the most vaccinated countries, Israel, UK, US etc you will find their mortality rate is nothing to be proud of. In short, you have no reason to equate lack of vaccination with extra risk or new variants.

    The drive to vaccinate everyone (including young healthy people at no appreciable risk) with experimental vaccines with no long term trials is grossly irresponsible in my view. The policy seems more aimed at eliminating any significant control group in order to muddy the waters if or when long term symptoms appear than anything else. In the natural course of events viruses tend to get less dangerous to their hosts. Vaccinating people at risk (generally the elderly) is fair enough, for the others natural immunity from exposure is quite adequate (though not as profitable for big pharma)

    It should also be mentioned that Covid-19 is treatable, especially in the early stages. How many lives have been lost due to deliberate suppression of cheap and commonly available treatments? Some doctors reckon that up to 85% of hospitalisations could have been avoided.

    • Agree: SunBakedSuburb
    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @MarkU

    Blaming unvaccinated people for the appearance of new variants is probably getting it backwards.

    More cases = more chances of variants.

    More vaccinated = fewer cases.

    The math is pretty basic.

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in vaccinated groups. So the Unz theory of the Vax not working or not doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. I guess the people here that told me it was a conspiracy and that the virus doesn't exist can now apologize for helping Biden get elected.

    Replies: @Rich, @Dumbo, @MarkU

    , @Black woman
    @MarkU

    Except that's objectively not true.

    India has a double variant, and a 1% vaccination rate.

    Brazil's region where they reached "herd immunity," Manaus, is where their variant emerged from.

    South Africa also has a low vaccination rate, let it run rampant; produced their own (vaccine-resistant) variant.

    Britain's variant emerged before they started giving out AstraZeneca. Their excess death figures last year suggested an out of control covid situation there as well.

    Replies: @Mark G.

  16. @Twinkie
    I had my first dose a couple of weeks back and I'll get the second dose soon. I will be the last adult in my family to be vaccinated and, after that, we are going out to eat for the first time in over a year (we have had lots of pickups, but no in-dining).

    My wife was vaccinated months ago - she's still alive. But she did give me permission to put a bullet into her head and marry a much younger woman (you know, for the children, so that they can have an energetic mom) IF she turned into a zombie after the vaccination. ;)

    Replies: @Realist, @Truth, @John Johnson

    I had my first dose a couple of weeks back and I’ll get the second dose soon.

    That would be making the second biggest mistake of your life, Old Sport. The first was taking the first dose; but there is time to reconsider.

  17. Please Listen to these Medical practitioners’ warning and make up your own mind! Your own body, your own health, your own choice!

    1-Vaccine Shedding, Nurse Warns, Stay Away From Vaxxed People


    2-Dr. L.Palevsky COVID Vax Installs Genetic Instructions to Make Spike Protein in Body & Sheds


    3-COVID Shots to “Decimate World Population” Warns Microbiologist Dr Sucharit Bhakdi, April 16, 2021


  18. @Jim Christian
    @WorkingClass


    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care? But I won’t have the vax.
     
    Same here, WC. I'm 63, but I figure between the motorcycles and receiving a head shot to the old ear-hole by a golf ball from an adjoining fairway, I got enough ways to get killed in my old age. And so, why risk the slightest debilitation from a vaccine when it's been 18 months C-19 is on the viral road and I haven't had so much as a sniffle. Also, to add, I've done two or three negative tests after plane flights into Boston. Four or five, actually. Regulation is, a negative test is how you legally break 14-day quarantine after a flight into Boston's Logan International. Throughout, I've suffered nothing (he said, right before dying from a shifted-antigen variant spun off by someone who's been vaxxed).

    Still, I'm not important to the world in a productive sense, other than the money I spend, I'm just a useless hedonist, retired, reduced to bumming around on motorcycles, golf courses and the sort of women you run into around Boston in the summer and Tampa in the winter. Why risk being the one-in-a-thousand that croaks or is damaged? I actually believe every shot damages you because they're messing with the goo of life, your DNA. They say it's for a noble cause, but don't you believe it.

    This will be revealed to be a medical-industry grade Edsel. Except this hedonist here ain't buying.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @follyofwar

    “messing with the goo of life”

    aka natural immunity

  19. @Almost Missouri
    @El Dato


    Most of the world isn’t vaccinated. A lot of people are vaccinated with non-Zone-A vaccines. Control groups won’t be missing, that’s for sure.
     
    The point about control groups is that their circumstances should resemble those of the experimental gene therapiedvaccinated group. So New Guinea, for example, would not be a good control group for New Jersey, despite the similarity of their names and populations.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Charles Pewitt

    The point about control groups is that their circumstances should resemble those of the experimental gene therapiedvaccinated group. So New Guinea, for example, would not be a good control group for New Jersey, despite the similarity of their names and populations.

    Two Jews walk into a bar and start singing:

    “I’d rather be a Guinea than a Wop, yes I would, if I could, I surely would.”

    “I’d rather be a Dego than a Goombah, yes I would, if I only could, I surely would.”

    I am one quarter Italian through my grandfather Manlio Bongiovanni and he was born around 1900 in New York state and I believe it was a place called Rome, New York. I never met him but he was a detective in Newark, New Jersey when Newark was civilized.

    Connecticut Anglo-Saxons made a Viking raid into the area of New Jersey that became Newark when Connecticut was full of Anglo-Saxons with crazy balls and now the Connecticut Anglo-Saxons are full of shrimp salad sandwiches and gin and tonics and the plutocrat ones and the Upper Middle Class ones are now full of this so-called “woke” shit.

    I love Italians and Italians in Ohio and Pennsylvania and Florida and other states helped Trump win the Electoral College in 2016.

    Don Rickles would be hounded off the internet if he tried the kind of ethnic comedy that was still a part of American life when I was a kid.

    New Guinea reminds me of the Kokoda Trail and the antipodean Anglo-Celts held the Japanese military off there in muddy, miserable conditions.

  20. Dose anyone out there have a P or M production cost per dose?

  21. @Realist
    The farther you go in college the less you are able to think for yourself...it didn't use to be that way.

    Democrats are least able to think for themselves...it has always been that way.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @nebulafox

    The farther you go in college the less you are able to think for yourself…it didn’t use to be that way.

    It is only this way for the left dominated fields…..which unfortunately is most of them.

    There is a self-selection process at work. After seeing what my friend had to do in his education classes there was no way I could sit through them. The amount of left-wing BS was unbelievable. There was constant blame of Whites and society for racial gaps and objective thinking was treated with disdain.

    I was really annoyed by how White women would dominate these classes and just mindlessly nod to everything they were told. Pretty much a left-wing estrogen feelings fest.

    And they are all teachers now.

    • Thanks: Realist
  22. @Twinkie
    I had my first dose a couple of weeks back and I'll get the second dose soon. I will be the last adult in my family to be vaccinated and, after that, we are going out to eat for the first time in over a year (we have had lots of pickups, but no in-dining).

    My wife was vaccinated months ago - she's still alive. But she did give me permission to put a bullet into her head and marry a much younger woman (you know, for the children, so that they can have an energetic mom) IF she turned into a zombie after the vaccination. ;)

    Replies: @Realist, @Truth, @John Johnson

    My wife was vaccinated months ago – she’s still alive. But she did give me permission to put a bullet into her head and marry a much younger woman (you know, for the children, so that they can have an energetic mom) IF she turned into a zombie after the vaccination.

    I should have made that deal but ended up getting tentacles and not zombie wife.

    Pfizer is tentacles and Moderna is zombie wife.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @John Johnson

    I guess AZ is the vampire then?

  23. @MarkU
    @Black woman

    You really should look into the concept of immune escape. A leaky vaccine produces selection pressure on viruses in much the same way that antibiotic resistance arises in bacteria. The arrival of new variants appears to be concentrated in countries with high vaccination rates, not low vaccination rates. Blaming unvaccinated people for the appearance of new variants is probably getting it backwards. If you look at the case of India, the number of cases took off in a big way just after the vaccinations started. If you look at the records of the most vaccinated countries, Israel, UK, US etc you will find their mortality rate is nothing to be proud of. In short, you have no reason to equate lack of vaccination with extra risk or new variants.

    The drive to vaccinate everyone (including young healthy people at no appreciable risk) with experimental vaccines with no long term trials is grossly irresponsible in my view. The policy seems more aimed at eliminating any significant control group in order to muddy the waters if or when long term symptoms appear than anything else. In the natural course of events viruses tend to get less dangerous to their hosts. Vaccinating people at risk (generally the elderly) is fair enough, for the others natural immunity from exposure is quite adequate (though not as profitable for big pharma)

    It should also be mentioned that Covid-19 is treatable, especially in the early stages. How many lives have been lost due to deliberate suppression of cheap and commonly available treatments? Some doctors reckon that up to 85% of hospitalisations could have been avoided.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Black woman

    Blaming unvaccinated people for the appearance of new variants is probably getting it backwards.

    More cases = more chances of variants.

    More vaccinated = fewer cases.

    The math is pretty basic.

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in vaccinated groups. So the Unz theory of the Vax not working or not doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. I guess the people here that told me it was a conspiracy and that the virus doesn’t exist can now apologize for helping Biden get elected.

    • Replies: @Rich
    @John Johnson

    Both cases and hospitalizations were down before the mass "vaccination" campaign.

    Less people getting sick from virus.

    The math is pretty basic.

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in the "unvaccinated" groups. So the John Johnson theory of the "vax" working or doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. Looks like the people here who told you it was a conspiracy deserve an apology from you for you helping Biden get elected.

    Replies: @Bill, @John Johnson, @sideshow_bob

    , @Dumbo
    @John Johnson

    Why would they have helped "Biden get elected", if Trump was the one who started the vaccine production (agreement with Pfizer) and the vaccination campaign ("Warp Speed")? If Biden was elected by anyone, wasn't it by the media saying that he did "a bad job on the pandemic"? (which is subjective, as most responsibility was with the governors)

    Also, it seems to me that, for almost a year we didn't hear of any "variants" at all, then all of a sudden, and just as vaccinations started, we started to hear a lot about many "variants" in different countries. What's the explanation for that?

    a) mere coincidence;
    b) there were variants before, but the media decided not to talk about them before the vaccination started, to avoid panic or just because no one would care and it was easier to say just "covid";
    c) they actually wanted to scare people to make them take the vaccine, so the talk of "variants" that perhaps are not so dissimilar or more infectious/dangerous than the "normal virus" started then so that more people would want the vaxxine
    d) the "variants" were caused by the vaccine itself (mutation pressure etc)
    e) all of the above / none of the above

    Now, if the vaccine works and this pandemic thing ends forever, great. But I am afraid that the idea is to have yearly vaccinations and this continuing for a very long time. I hope not, but, I really don't know anymore...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @MarkU
    @John Johnson

    Perhaps you should read this, it is an article about a 'leaky' vaccine.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous

    In the normal course of events mutations which make a virus less dangerous are favoured, viruses are parasites and harming their hosts is actually bad for their prospects. Vaccines which eradicate diseases (completely block transmission) have worked well, leaky vaccines are quite another matter as you will see if you bother to read the article (which dates from 2015, well before the issue became politicised) In the normal course of events, virulent strains of a virus will tend to wipe themselves out while milder forms are more likely to prosper. With a leaky vaccine the virulent strains can still prosper in the vaccinated population. Rather than the unvaccinated population presenting a danger to the vaccinated, the reverse is more likely to be true.

    I am sure that big pharma would profit greatly if the entire human race became dependent on their dodgy vaccines in perpetuity, personally I am not sold on the idea.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

  24. I’m not likely to be eligible for getting the shot any time soon. As a reasonably healthy man in his 20s, this is both fair and to be expected. The only person I know who has gotten the shot (first jab) is my 50-something mother. She’s fine. But then, her child-bearing years are long gone, so she doesn’t have to worry about rumors of sterility.

    Here’s a very shocking, profound piece of advice: *incentivize* people getting the vaccine by allowing an immediate return to normality for those who do, rather than demanding trust when you’ve squandered your credibility for over a year while simultaneously insisting that there’s no practical benefit to getting it. But this would require some sober self-examination on the part of our elites, so, not counting on that.

    • Replies: @usNthem
    @nebulafox

    Apparently in West Virginia, the gov is offering $100 savings bonds to the 16-35 year old cohort as an enticement to take the jab. Got to figure out some way to get all us skeptics on board. Maybe if they upped it to $1000 or $10000...

    , @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    I’m not likely to be eligible for getting the shot any time soon.
     
    Everyone age 16 and up is eligible now.
    , @unit472
    @nebulafox

    As pointed out YOU are now eligible to get the jab but why should you? I used to have to go into people's homes, hospitals and nursing homes when I was employed. I got the actual flu when I was forty and it was 3 days of hell so I started getting the annual flu shot after that and I'm 69 know and haven't had the flu since. I did get the Pfizer vaccinations for the same reason I got annual flu shots.

    I'm curious about A.E's polling data though. It doesn't seem to match real world vaccinations rates. Consider Florida. 22 million people of whom 16.9% are black yet as of today the CDC reports only 589, 510 blacks have actually been vaccinated. A.E. reports 90% of negroes say they want the vacciine but they don't seem in any hurry to get it. OTOH whites who are 77% of the Florida population ( and this includes white 'hispanics' have received at least 5, 789,000 vaccinations or almost 10 times the vaccinations of negroes. The shot is free and widely available yet negroes are not getting it even though they say they want it.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Rich

  25. @Realist
    The farther you go in college the less you are able to think for yourself...it didn't use to be that way.

    Democrats are least able to think for themselves...it has always been that way.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @nebulafox

    OT:

    It’s never too late to get started on your real education at your local library or by pirating stuff online, if you don’t have the funds to buy books yet. (Well, pre-COVID. Where I am, the governor seems more likely to make libraries into homeless shelters than to re-open them for their intended purpose.) Harder, sure: this I know! Especially with left-brain topics, you might need to find other people.

    But never too late. Above all, don’t let previous negative experiences interfere with shaping your brain, anymore than with the body.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @nebulafox

    Written like a true shitlib.

  26. @John Johnson
    @MarkU

    Blaming unvaccinated people for the appearance of new variants is probably getting it backwards.

    More cases = more chances of variants.

    More vaccinated = fewer cases.

    The math is pretty basic.

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in vaccinated groups. So the Unz theory of the Vax not working or not doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. I guess the people here that told me it was a conspiracy and that the virus doesn't exist can now apologize for helping Biden get elected.

    Replies: @Rich, @Dumbo, @MarkU

    Both cases and hospitalizations were down before the mass “vaccination” campaign.

    Less people getting sick from virus.

    The math is pretty basic.

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in the “unvaccinated” groups. So the John Johnson theory of the “vax” working or doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. Looks like the people here who told you it was a conspiracy deserve an apology from you for you helping Biden get elected.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Rich

    The vaccine became available to the general public Dec 14, 2020. Cases and deaths started their steep decline about a month later. You can see cases and deaths on this graph (choose which one near the top):

    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases

    You can see vaccine doses administered on this graph:

    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-trends

    , @John Johnson
    @Rich

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in the “unvaccinated” groups. So the John Johnson theory of the “vax” working or doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. Looks like the people here who told you it was a conspiracy deserve an apology from you for you helping Biden get elected.

    But that isn't evidence that the vaccine isn't working or the virus isn't real. A virus could just kill off vulnerable groups so they never made it to the hospital for the second time.

    The evidence of the vaccine working is in groups that have high vaccination rates and lower rates of hospitalizations or positive cases via testing. So relative to other groups we can see the vaccine working.

    Here you go:
    Last month Clalit, Israel’s largest health service organization, released preliminary data on 200,000 people 60 years or older who were vaccinated, comparing them to 200,000 similar unvaccinated older adults.

    The positivity rate dropped 33 percent among those who were vaccinated, 14 days after they received the vaccine. No decline was seen in the unvaccinated.
    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-cases-dropping-in-groups-with-high-vaccination-rate

    You could have just asked for the data instead of being a prick about it. Maybe try reading outside Unz next time.

    Replies: @Rich, @Kratoklastes

    , @sideshow_bob
    @Rich

    The vaccine is working because they lowered the PCR test amplification from 45x to 30x after Bidet took office.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

  27. @John Johnson
    @MarkU

    Blaming unvaccinated people for the appearance of new variants is probably getting it backwards.

    More cases = more chances of variants.

    More vaccinated = fewer cases.

    The math is pretty basic.

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in vaccinated groups. So the Unz theory of the Vax not working or not doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. I guess the people here that told me it was a conspiracy and that the virus doesn't exist can now apologize for helping Biden get elected.

    Replies: @Rich, @Dumbo, @MarkU

    Why would they have helped “Biden get elected”, if Trump was the one who started the vaccine production (agreement with Pfizer) and the vaccination campaign (“Warp Speed”)? If Biden was elected by anyone, wasn’t it by the media saying that he did “a bad job on the pandemic”? (which is subjective, as most responsibility was with the governors)

    Also, it seems to me that, for almost a year we didn’t hear of any “variants” at all, then all of a sudden, and just as vaccinations started, we started to hear a lot about many “variants” in different countries. What’s the explanation for that?

    a) mere coincidence;
    b) there were variants before, but the media decided not to talk about them before the vaccination started, to avoid panic or just because no one would care and it was easier to say just “covid”;
    c) they actually wanted to scare people to make them take the vaccine, so the talk of “variants” that perhaps are not so dissimilar or more infectious/dangerous than the “normal virus” started then so that more people would want the vaxxine
    d) the “variants” were caused by the vaccine itself (mutation pressure etc)
    e) all of the above / none of the above

    Now, if the vaccine works and this pandemic thing ends forever, great. But I am afraid that the idea is to have yearly vaccinations and this continuing for a very long time. I hope not, but, I really don’t know anymore…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Dumbo

    Why would they have helped “Biden get elected”, if Trump was the one who started the vaccine production (agreement with Pfizer) and the vaccination campaign (“Warp Speed”)?

    Because the MAGA virus defense team downplayed the virus and encouraged all kinds of conspiracy theories. Go view my history from last year for a look at this phenomenon. I had people here calling me a Jewish agent for believing the virus was real.

    I warned early on that downplaying it was terrible political strategy. Polls showed that the public was not happy with his response. So this isn't simply my personal opinion. Exit polls in the election cited both the virus and health care as reasons for voting against him. It was never the border or his off color comments. In fact he did well with Hispanics given the 24/7 campaign to depict him as racist.

    Yes I am aware of Warp Speed but the press was anti-Trump to the extreme so they of course focused on the downplaying the virus ("just a flu") and mask avoidance. I really don't like Biden and was concerned with this exact scenario. You can see that in my posts all the way back to the initial outbreak.

    Also, it seems to me that, for almost a year we didn’t hear of any “variants” at all, then all of a sudden, and just as vaccinations started, we started to hear a lot about many “variants” in different countries. What’s the explanation for that?

    We don't know how long variants have been out there or how many there are. It is looking like the UK variant was in L.A. pretty early which explains their outbreak despite the lockdown. The third world can't be relied upon for anything. For all we know numerous variants are running around India. When it is all over I'm sure they will have detected at least two variants in India.

    Now, if the vaccine works and this pandemic thing ends forever, great. But I am afraid that the idea is to have yearly vaccinations and this continuing for a very long time. I hope not, but, I really don’t know anymore…

    The newer mRNA vaccine technology lets them alter the formula a lot quicker. The vaccines work which is really the important part. The Moderna/Pfizer mRNA vaccines might seem a little off putting in how they work but it's not the first time the technology has been used. The Ebola vaccine works the same way. But the J&J is a traditional vaccine just like the annual flu shot. I got the Pfizer.

    I don't think an annual shot would be a big deal but I doubt that will happen because it doesn't rapidly change like the flu.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Dumbo

    f) variants are just the flu, bro.

  28. @Jim Christian
    @WorkingClass


    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care? But I won’t have the vax.
     
    Same here, WC. I'm 63, but I figure between the motorcycles and receiving a head shot to the old ear-hole by a golf ball from an adjoining fairway, I got enough ways to get killed in my old age. And so, why risk the slightest debilitation from a vaccine when it's been 18 months C-19 is on the viral road and I haven't had so much as a sniffle. Also, to add, I've done two or three negative tests after plane flights into Boston. Four or five, actually. Regulation is, a negative test is how you legally break 14-day quarantine after a flight into Boston's Logan International. Throughout, I've suffered nothing (he said, right before dying from a shifted-antigen variant spun off by someone who's been vaxxed).

    Still, I'm not important to the world in a productive sense, other than the money I spend, I'm just a useless hedonist, retired, reduced to bumming around on motorcycles, golf courses and the sort of women you run into around Boston in the summer and Tampa in the winter. Why risk being the one-in-a-thousand that croaks or is damaged? I actually believe every shot damages you because they're messing with the goo of life, your DNA. They say it's for a noble cause, but don't you believe it.

    This will be revealed to be a medical-industry grade Edsel. Except this hedonist here ain't buying.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @follyofwar

    I not only won’t get Biden’s (really Trump’s) warp-speed, molecule-messing, experimental Covid jab, I haven’t received a seasonal flu shot in 20 years. Result: No flu in the last 20 years, though I used to take it when younger, and wound up deathly sick a few times, hugging the toilet for days. And also I’ve had no sign of Covid, though many friends and family brag that they had it and survived, even though they were afraid to see the doctor to verify if they had it. Didn’t want to face quarantine, I guess.

    I’ve also never taken one of those phony, rigged PCR tests. If I can’t get to where I want to go by driving, I’m just staying home. What fun is it to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars going on vacation when you can’t even see the faces of all the pretty ladies? Maybe no hotel would rent this leper a room anyway.

    Once I’m no longer allowed into the grocery store, I’ll call in my order and have it delivered. If they refuse to do that, I guess I’ll starve after I run out of food in the house. It’s been a nice run, and I need to lose some weight anyway.

  29. @nebulafox
    I'm not likely to be eligible for getting the shot any time soon. As a reasonably healthy man in his 20s, this is both fair and to be expected. The only person I know who has gotten the shot (first jab) is my 50-something mother. She's fine. But then, her child-bearing years are long gone, so she doesn't have to worry about rumors of sterility.

    Here's a very shocking, profound piece of advice: *incentivize* people getting the vaccine by allowing an immediate return to normality for those who do, rather than demanding trust when you've squandered your credibility for over a year while simultaneously insisting that there's no practical benefit to getting it. But this would require some sober self-examination on the part of our elites, so, not counting on that.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Twinkie, @unit472

    Apparently in West Virginia, the gov is offering $100 savings bonds to the 16-35 year old cohort as an enticement to take the jab. Got to figure out some way to get all us skeptics on board. Maybe if they upped it to $1000 or $10000…

  30. What happened to blaxx not wanting the vaxx?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Catdog

    Good question, because the initial black hesitancy is gone.

  31. @MarkU
    @Black woman

    You really should look into the concept of immune escape. A leaky vaccine produces selection pressure on viruses in much the same way that antibiotic resistance arises in bacteria. The arrival of new variants appears to be concentrated in countries with high vaccination rates, not low vaccination rates. Blaming unvaccinated people for the appearance of new variants is probably getting it backwards. If you look at the case of India, the number of cases took off in a big way just after the vaccinations started. If you look at the records of the most vaccinated countries, Israel, UK, US etc you will find their mortality rate is nothing to be proud of. In short, you have no reason to equate lack of vaccination with extra risk or new variants.

    The drive to vaccinate everyone (including young healthy people at no appreciable risk) with experimental vaccines with no long term trials is grossly irresponsible in my view. The policy seems more aimed at eliminating any significant control group in order to muddy the waters if or when long term symptoms appear than anything else. In the natural course of events viruses tend to get less dangerous to their hosts. Vaccinating people at risk (generally the elderly) is fair enough, for the others natural immunity from exposure is quite adequate (though not as profitable for big pharma)

    It should also be mentioned that Covid-19 is treatable, especially in the early stages. How many lives have been lost due to deliberate suppression of cheap and commonly available treatments? Some doctors reckon that up to 85% of hospitalisations could have been avoided.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Black woman

    Except that’s objectively not true.

    India has a double variant, and a 1% vaccination rate.

    Brazil’s region where they reached “herd immunity,” Manaus, is where their variant emerged from.

    South Africa also has a low vaccination rate, let it run rampant; produced their own (vaccine-resistant) variant.

    Britain’s variant emerged before they started giving out AstraZeneca. Their excess death figures last year suggested an out of control covid situation there as well.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Black woman


    India has a double variant, and a 1% vaccination rate.

    Brazil’s region where they reached “herd immunity,” Manaus, is where their variant emerged from.
     
    A month ago the panic porn was focused on Brazil. Cases have dropped 30% since then so now it's moved over to India. India has one 1/12 the cases per capita of the U.S. so it had some catching up to do. It is also an extremely poor country with a barely functioning hospital system.

    This is all to distract attention from the improving situation here in the United States over the last three months.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  32. @Rich
    @John Johnson

    Both cases and hospitalizations were down before the mass "vaccination" campaign.

    Less people getting sick from virus.

    The math is pretty basic.

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in the "unvaccinated" groups. So the John Johnson theory of the "vax" working or doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. Looks like the people here who told you it was a conspiracy deserve an apology from you for you helping Biden get elected.

    Replies: @Bill, @John Johnson, @sideshow_bob

    The vaccine became available to the general public Dec 14, 2020. Cases and deaths started their steep decline about a month later. You can see cases and deaths on this graph (choose which one near the top):

    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases

    You can see vaccine doses administered on this graph:

    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-trends

    • Disagree: Rich
  33. Now a certain Goldberg is pushing for “vaccine passports”, which are fast becoming a global reality:

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-04-27/vaccine-passports-covid-health

    They also want to expand vaccination to children, even though children are for all purposes already immune to the disease:

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-26/new-california-covid19-goals-child-vaccines-outbreak-control

    Whatever… So depressing…

    I just hope this SHIT ends and we don’t hear about it ever again. But I know, even if it ends, they will come up with something else after that, they always do.

  34. The initial wave of COVIDian vaccines may be a little creaky, from a safety perspective, but if there’s any plan to use mass inoculation as a population reduction measure, I suspect that will be deployed in future iterations.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Servant of Gla'aki


    if there’s any plan to use mass inoculation as a population reduction measure, I suspect that will be deployed in future iterations.
     
    Given that birth rates are already plummeting globally why would anyone feel the need for population reduction measures? We're already facing the certainty of a perfectly natural sustained reduction in population.

    This whole "the elites are planning genocide" conspiracy theory makes no sense at all.

    If the elites want the population reduced why do they also want mass immigration to increase the population in western countries?

    At least try to come up with a conspiracy theory that makes sense.
  35. @Realist
    @Twinkie


    I will be the last adult in my family to be vaccinated and, after that, we are going out to eat for the first time in over a year (we have had lots of pickups, but no in-dining).
     
    Don't forget to wear a mask.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Don’t forget to wear a mask.

    We will, except when eating.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Twinkie


    We will, except when eating.
     
    That a boy. Do as you are told no matter how stupid it is.
    , @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Twinkie

    I'm curious of the thought-process in these people.

    Do you believe that the virus exercises gentlemanly restraint in those moments when you take your mask down? "Oh, he's eating, that wouldn't be good sport."

    Do you refrain from breathing every time you take the mask down to take a bite?

    Do you pull the mask down, eat, and then put it back up... or do you pop on a fresh pair of gloves, remove the mask, discard it in a hazardous waste bin, remove and discard the gloves in the same fashion, wash your hands thoroughly, eat, and then put on a brand new mask? (Which is what you should be doing if you were, for some reason, eating in a public place during a pandemic that was so severe it necessitated masks (which should be N-95 rated).)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @dfordoom
    @Twinkie



    Don’t forget to wear a mask.
     
    We will, except when eating.
     
    Can I ask a question? It's a serious question, I'm not trying to pick a fight. If you've been vaccinated why would you wear a mask?

    Replies: @nebulafox

  36. @nebulafox
    I'm not likely to be eligible for getting the shot any time soon. As a reasonably healthy man in his 20s, this is both fair and to be expected. The only person I know who has gotten the shot (first jab) is my 50-something mother. She's fine. But then, her child-bearing years are long gone, so she doesn't have to worry about rumors of sterility.

    Here's a very shocking, profound piece of advice: *incentivize* people getting the vaccine by allowing an immediate return to normality for those who do, rather than demanding trust when you've squandered your credibility for over a year while simultaneously insisting that there's no practical benefit to getting it. But this would require some sober self-examination on the part of our elites, so, not counting on that.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Twinkie, @unit472

    I’m not likely to be eligible for getting the shot any time soon.

    Everyone age 16 and up is eligible now.

    • Thanks: nebulafox
  37. @WorkingClass
    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care?

    But I won't have the vax. It's made by the same people who made the disease. People who invent new diseases should be publicly executed.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @John Johnson

    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care?

    I know someone under 50 that was hospitalized for nearly a month. No pre-existing conditions.

    His family was put through pure torture. I’m amazed they could show up for work. His hospital stay (including air lift) was over 100k. So it isn’t just about you.

    But I won’t have the vax. It’s made by the same people who made the disease.

    So Johnson and Johnson products include shampoos, band aids, eye drops and coronaviruses that just happen to outbreak near a Chinese virology lab?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @John Johnson


    So Johnson and Johnson products include shampoos, band aids, eye drops and coronaviruses that just happen to outbreak near a Chinese virology lab?
     
    Well... yes.

    https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/johnson-johnson-reserves-3-9b-for-baby-powder-lawsuits/
    , @WorkingClass
    @John Johnson

    So it isn’t just about you.

    My wife came down with the Kung Flue. Driving her to the ER she was gasping for breath. She kept repeating "help me - help me". She is late sixties, over weight and has various pre-existing conditions. She was in hospital 14 days. I was allowed to speak with her on the phone. After about five days she was feeling better. Until then I didn't like her chances. I was never tested and never showed any symptoms. She and I are fine and dandy. But her sister lost her mother in law and father in law to the Flue.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @John Johnson



    I know someone under 50 that was hospitalized for nearly a month.

     

    So, he didn't even die, then?
  38. @Dumbo
    @John Johnson

    Why would they have helped "Biden get elected", if Trump was the one who started the vaccine production (agreement with Pfizer) and the vaccination campaign ("Warp Speed")? If Biden was elected by anyone, wasn't it by the media saying that he did "a bad job on the pandemic"? (which is subjective, as most responsibility was with the governors)

    Also, it seems to me that, for almost a year we didn't hear of any "variants" at all, then all of a sudden, and just as vaccinations started, we started to hear a lot about many "variants" in different countries. What's the explanation for that?

    a) mere coincidence;
    b) there were variants before, but the media decided not to talk about them before the vaccination started, to avoid panic or just because no one would care and it was easier to say just "covid";
    c) they actually wanted to scare people to make them take the vaccine, so the talk of "variants" that perhaps are not so dissimilar or more infectious/dangerous than the "normal virus" started then so that more people would want the vaxxine
    d) the "variants" were caused by the vaccine itself (mutation pressure etc)
    e) all of the above / none of the above

    Now, if the vaccine works and this pandemic thing ends forever, great. But I am afraid that the idea is to have yearly vaccinations and this continuing for a very long time. I hope not, but, I really don't know anymore...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Why would they have helped “Biden get elected”, if Trump was the one who started the vaccine production (agreement with Pfizer) and the vaccination campaign (“Warp Speed”)?

    Because the MAGA virus defense team downplayed the virus and encouraged all kinds of conspiracy theories. Go view my history from last year for a look at this phenomenon. I had people here calling me a Jewish agent for believing the virus was real.

    I warned early on that downplaying it was terrible political strategy. Polls showed that the public was not happy with his response. So this isn’t simply my personal opinion. Exit polls in the election cited both the virus and health care as reasons for voting against him. It was never the border or his off color comments. In fact he did well with Hispanics given the 24/7 campaign to depict him as racist.

    Yes I am aware of Warp Speed but the press was anti-Trump to the extreme so they of course focused on the downplaying the virus (“just a flu”) and mask avoidance. I really don’t like Biden and was concerned with this exact scenario. You can see that in my posts all the way back to the initial outbreak.

    Also, it seems to me that, for almost a year we didn’t hear of any “variants” at all, then all of a sudden, and just as vaccinations started, we started to hear a lot about many “variants” in different countries. What’s the explanation for that?

    We don’t know how long variants have been out there or how many there are. It is looking like the UK variant was in L.A. pretty early which explains their outbreak despite the lockdown. The third world can’t be relied upon for anything. For all we know numerous variants are running around India. When it is all over I’m sure they will have detected at least two variants in India.

    Now, if the vaccine works and this pandemic thing ends forever, great. But I am afraid that the idea is to have yearly vaccinations and this continuing for a very long time. I hope not, but, I really don’t know anymore…

    The newer mRNA vaccine technology lets them alter the formula a lot quicker. The vaccines work which is really the important part. The Moderna/Pfizer mRNA vaccines might seem a little off putting in how they work but it’s not the first time the technology has been used. The Ebola vaccine works the same way. But the J&J is a traditional vaccine just like the annual flu shot. I got the Pfizer.

    I don’t think an annual shot would be a big deal but I doubt that will happen because it doesn’t rapidly change like the flu.

  39. @Rich
    @John Johnson

    Both cases and hospitalizations were down before the mass "vaccination" campaign.

    Less people getting sick from virus.

    The math is pretty basic.

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in the "unvaccinated" groups. So the John Johnson theory of the "vax" working or doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. Looks like the people here who told you it was a conspiracy deserve an apology from you for you helping Biden get elected.

    Replies: @Bill, @John Johnson, @sideshow_bob

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in the “unvaccinated” groups. So the John Johnson theory of the “vax” working or doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. Looks like the people here who told you it was a conspiracy deserve an apology from you for you helping Biden get elected.

    But that isn’t evidence that the vaccine isn’t working or the virus isn’t real. A virus could just kill off vulnerable groups so they never made it to the hospital for the second time.

    The evidence of the vaccine working is in groups that have high vaccination rates and lower rates of hospitalizations or positive cases via testing. So relative to other groups we can see the vaccine working.

    Here you go:
    Last month Clalit, Israel’s largest health service organization, released preliminary data on 200,000 people 60 years or older who were vaccinated, comparing them to 200,000 similar unvaccinated older adults.

    The positivity rate dropped 33 percent among those who were vaccinated, 14 days after they received the vaccine. No decline was seen in the unvaccinated.
    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-cases-dropping-in-groups-with-high-vaccination-rate

    You could have just asked for the data instead of being a prick about it. Maybe try reading outside Unz next time.

    • Replies: @Rich
    @John Johnson

    You just don't get it, do you JJ? Hospitalizations and infections are down for the whole population, those that received the gene therapy shot, and those that didn't. Putting something in quotes or accepting twisted statistics from entities that profit from people taking part in the covid shot experiment doesn't convince anyone. All the deaths, from the beginning of this virus have been the old and the infirm. If you're very old or have cancer or severe diabetes and you're willing to try an experimental drug that might give you a few more years, go ahead. Or if you're just the fearful type, or the gullible, then Godspeed. Get back to me in a year or three and we'll see how it worked out for you.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jay Fink

    , @Kratoklastes
    @John Johnson

    Why is the primary source for that 'study' a Twitter thread that makes no mention of what the baseline PCR-positivity rate was in the unvaccinated?

    After all, we all now know that Pfizer's "95% efficacy" claim is a RELATIVE measure: the non-inected had a PCR-positivity of 0.88%; the injectees had a PCR-positivity rate of 0.04% (a ~95% reduction from 0.88).

    That is to say, in both groups in the Pfizer study, over 99% of people didn't test positive for infection with SARS-nCoV2.

    So maybe it turns out that "fuck all" (age-agnostic baseline risk of infection - not death) can be turned into "even less than fuck-all", if the Pfizer study (and this current Twitter thread) stand up to scrutiny.

    Only innumerate housewives are impressed by relative measures. They are beloved by Pharma companies because they get into the brain of morons.

    But here's a relative measure for you: if you're a metabolically-normal male under 60, there is more risk of death as a result of thrombocytopenia from the injection, than from COVID19.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  40. @John Johnson
    @WorkingClass

    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care?

    I know someone under 50 that was hospitalized for nearly a month. No pre-existing conditions.

    His family was put through pure torture. I'm amazed they could show up for work. His hospital stay (including air lift) was over 100k. So it isn't just about you.

    But I won’t have the vax. It’s made by the same people who made the disease.

    So Johnson and Johnson products include shampoos, band aids, eye drops and coronaviruses that just happen to outbreak near a Chinese virology lab?

    Replies: @Truth, @WorkingClass, @Hippopotamusdrome

    So Johnson and Johnson products include shampoos, band aids, eye drops and coronaviruses that just happen to outbreak near a Chinese virology lab?

    Well… yes.

    https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/johnson-johnson-reserves-3-9b-for-baby-powder-lawsuits/

  41. @John Johnson
    @WorkingClass

    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care?

    I know someone under 50 that was hospitalized for nearly a month. No pre-existing conditions.

    His family was put through pure torture. I'm amazed they could show up for work. His hospital stay (including air lift) was over 100k. So it isn't just about you.

    But I won’t have the vax. It’s made by the same people who made the disease.

    So Johnson and Johnson products include shampoos, band aids, eye drops and coronaviruses that just happen to outbreak near a Chinese virology lab?

    Replies: @Truth, @WorkingClass, @Hippopotamusdrome

    So it isn’t just about you.

    My wife came down with the Kung Flue. Driving her to the ER she was gasping for breath. She kept repeating “help me – help me”. She is late sixties, over weight and has various pre-existing conditions. She was in hospital 14 days. I was allowed to speak with her on the phone. After about five days she was feeling better. Until then I didn’t like her chances. I was never tested and never showed any symptoms. She and I are fine and dandy. But her sister lost her mother in law and father in law to the Flue.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @WorkingClass

    My wife came down with the Kung Flue. Driving her to the ER she was gasping for breath. She kept repeating “help me – help me”. She is late sixties, over weight and has various pre-existing conditions. She was in hospital 14 days. I was allowed to speak with her on the phone.

    So why not get the vax? I don't see why you would want to risk putting someone else through that.

    I am in good shape but don't want to be the guy that passes it to someone with pre-existing conditions.

  42. @nebulafox
    I'm not likely to be eligible for getting the shot any time soon. As a reasonably healthy man in his 20s, this is both fair and to be expected. The only person I know who has gotten the shot (first jab) is my 50-something mother. She's fine. But then, her child-bearing years are long gone, so she doesn't have to worry about rumors of sterility.

    Here's a very shocking, profound piece of advice: *incentivize* people getting the vaccine by allowing an immediate return to normality for those who do, rather than demanding trust when you've squandered your credibility for over a year while simultaneously insisting that there's no practical benefit to getting it. But this would require some sober self-examination on the part of our elites, so, not counting on that.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Twinkie, @unit472

    As pointed out YOU are now eligible to get the jab but why should you? I used to have to go into people’s homes, hospitals and nursing homes when I was employed. I got the actual flu when I was forty and it was 3 days of hell so I started getting the annual flu shot after that and I’m 69 know and haven’t had the flu since. I did get the Pfizer vaccinations for the same reason I got annual flu shots.

    I’m curious about A.E’s polling data though. It doesn’t seem to match real world vaccinations rates. Consider Florida. 22 million people of whom 16.9% are black yet as of today the CDC reports only 589, 510 blacks have actually been vaccinated. A.E. reports 90% of negroes say they want the vacciine but they don’t seem in any hurry to get it. OTOH whites who are 77% of the Florida population ( and this includes white ‘hispanics’ have received at least 5, 789,000 vaccinations or almost 10 times the vaccinations of negroes. The shot is free and widely available yet negroes are not getting it even though they say they want it.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @unit472

    *Shrug*. At risk of sounding callous, I don't have that much attachment to whether I live or die: unlikely, statistically, but not impossible. My life isn't really worth living, to be honest. It is what it is. I'm hoping that'll change soon, and there's a chance that it might. But until it does, I'll do it on an ad hoc basis, when I need to get it to do something or go somewhere.

    My point is simple: insisting that the vaccine does nothing in terms of restoring normality is not good propaganda if your intent is getting people to take it. Least of all when coupled with ham-handed demands to trust people like who don't seem to want the pandemic to end.

    , @Rich
    @unit472

    Every black guy I know from work says one thing when I ask if they're getting the shot, "Tuskegee". One black guy I know from a park I frequent, a churchgoing family man, told me he was going for his 2nd shot about 2 weeks ago. Neither he nor his children have been back to the park since.

  43. @usNthem
    The sad thing is that well over 50% of Americans have taken or intend to take an emergency experimental jab with unknown downstream consequences for a virus that damn near a 100% survive. Wtf.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    The sad thing is that well over 50% of Americans have taken or intend to take an emergency experimental jab with unknown downstream consequences for a virus that damn near a 100% survive. Wtf.

    There’s no polite what to say it. This is frankly … stupid.

    Why accept “damn near 100%” survival, when i can make it basically 100% with the vax. (Or at least cut the mortality 10X.)

    Why accept the “unknown downstream consequences” of getting the virus, which we already know can be pretty damn bad as it’s a vascular attack and a fair number of people who get it and survive have continuing issues, and studies–like the big VA study–already show it raises downstream mortality significantly, when you can take a vax using the same spike protein to induce immunity but skip the nasty vascular attack?

    This “experimental vax” is a naturalistic fallacy: that there’s this natural “bug” out there and then some mysterious “big pharma” “experimental” vax.

    No. Both the virus and the vax are “experimental” as in came out of the lab less than 2 years old.

    The vax uses the same spike protein–stabilized–to induce immunity, but avoids actually having this nasty bug which attacks the vascular system. A year’s worth of data on it and it beats the hell outta getting the bug.

    This is called a “no brainer”.

    It’s unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that’s no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines–hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease we’ve had since the neolithic revolution–are the best damn thing modern medicine has given us, and the 2nd best public health advance after sewers/clean-water-supply.

    Encouraging people to skip the bug is encouraging them to eventually get this bug–with a decent chance of impaired health from it down the road.

    • Disagree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @sideshow_bob
    @AnotherDad

    Virtually all the people who die from Covid are already in bad shape. The vaccine taking the survival rate from 99.8% to 99.9% is not worth the time, effort, and money. It could save more lives if it were used for nutrition health education, for example.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @AnotherDad


    It’s unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that’s no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy.
     

    Sure it is.

    As far as lunacy goes, would it really surprise you if authority were lying to us about the vaccine? Authority has lied to us about practically everything else, after all.

    Authority's flagrant, careless destruction of public trust during these past 50 years comes at a cost. The ordinary citizen that does not and cannot understand vaccines can hardly be expected to trust authority regarding vaccines under the circumstance.

    It will hardly avail authority now to exclaim, “But we really mean it this time, honest!” Too late. They can react by calling us lunatics, though, if it makes them feel better.

    Many in authority really ought to stop and ask themselves why MAGA America no longer believes a word they say.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @AnotherDad

    Your thoughts on ivermectin and other drugs that one can use to ameliorate the symptoms?

    Btw: we don't know that the virus escaped from a lab, but even if it did, "naturalistically" speaking, a natural coronavirus that got passed thru several generations of ferrets until it caused AIDS is a hell of a lot more "natural" than the mRNA gene therapy that causes god knows what. Doubling-down is not a smart move.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Adam Smith
    @AnotherDad

    There is no excuse for this pro-vaxx lunacy. Vaccines spread disease.
    Please quarantine for about a month after each of your injections.
    Please be courteous. Please stop spreading disease.

    , @Rumpelstiltskin
    @AnotherDad


    This “experimental vax” is a naturalistic fallacy...

    ...that’s no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines–hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease...
     

    Absolute nonsense.

    That both Pfizer and Moderna are still-poorly-tested experimental gene therapy 'vaccines' is undeniable to any except those who live in a post-fact reality. There is a reason it is being administered under an EUA -- emergency use authorization. Mid- and long-term risks (and benefits) are totally unknown. I.e. experimental. They will remain that way, since the trials are being scuttled by vaccinating the placebo arm, and since there is no adequate tracking of adverse events. (How many blatantly sketchy and dishonest acts would it take for you to decide not to entrust everything you value to those responsible for them?)

    Yeah, a virus and a new technology are equally experimental. Nevermind that our immune systems have evolved over eons to deal with viruses, but have never been meddled with by mRNA technology. Do you actually believe what you are saying? This kind of braindead nonsense is mind-boggling.

    As for hugely lifting the burden of disease, this belief is largely the result of successful marketing by the producers of vaccines. If you actually care about getting this right, you might check out Suzanne Humphries book, freely available at archive.org, Dissolving Illusions.

    https://archive.org/details/SuzanneHumphriesMDDissolvingIllusionsDiseaseVaccinesAndTheForgottenHistory2013Pdf

    And if you have or hope to have kids or grandkids, you owe it to them and yourself to consider J. B. Handley's book:

    https://www.amazon.com/How-Autism-Epidemic-J-B-Handley/dp/1603588248/

    Regarding 'anti-vax' lunacy, AnotherDad, maybe you're lost enough to submit yourself and your children to every injection the pharmaceutical industry pushes, but there's a hell of a lot of room between doing that and being 'anti-vax' (nothing against being anti-vax). Certainly wariness of a barely tested new technology that messes with your immune system and genetics falls in that range. In a sane society this would be common sense.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox

    , @Realist
    @AnotherDad


    The vax uses the same spike protein–stabilized–to induce immunity, but avoids actually having this nasty bug which attacks the vascular system. A year’s worth of data on it and it beats the hell outta getting the bug.

    This is called a “no brainer”.
     
    Agreed...people that fall for the Covid pandemic sham are no-brainers.
  44. @Rich
    @John Johnson

    Both cases and hospitalizations were down before the mass "vaccination" campaign.

    Less people getting sick from virus.

    The math is pretty basic.

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in the "unvaccinated" groups. So the John Johnson theory of the "vax" working or doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. Looks like the people here who told you it was a conspiracy deserve an apology from you for you helping Biden get elected.

    Replies: @Bill, @John Johnson, @sideshow_bob

    The vaccine is working because they lowered the PCR test amplification from 45x to 30x after Bidet took office.

    • Agree: JasonT, Rich, Adam Smith
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @sideshow_bob

    This is exactly what happened. You are correct. It was all created artificially and now it is all being walked back and credited to the vaccines, which is simply not true.

    Covid was as real as any other flu outbreak and the first wave in the US was real, but after the first wave of deaths in the "dry kindling" left over from 2019 and pulled forward from 2021, it was all basically over by the end of March 2020*.

    After that, everything that followed from about April 2020 onwards was overblown. Panic was pumped worldwide - and people purposely allowed to die** without access to basic well understood treatments - just to get Trump in November.

    Remember, in early 2020, Trump was looking unstoppable and speculation was that "something unusual" would have to happen for him to lose. So they created it.

    Part of that strategy was amplifying the hell out of PCR tests and mandating masks on healthy people in order to create the "casedemic" and spread the fear until after the election.

    But the Dems/Media/Chinese/NGO all did too good a job stoking that panic.... so in order to unring that bell and walk it all back, a "vaccine" was needed as an exogenous force that could introduced and credited.

    The recent reduction in cases since January is due to the lowering of the PCR threshold and the fact that there is a hell of a lot of acquired immunity out there among healthy people who were at very little risk of dying in the first place, NOT the vaccines.

    The vaccines have had very little to do with it, but they are a good way to give credit to the government so that it cannot be be postulated that the whole epidemic went away on its own. EVERYONE must get vaccinated in order to eliminate the control group***. The "scariant" nonsense is part of that. The government even admits that vaccines have very little to do with it, which is why they can't unequivocally say, "no restrictions after vaccination"... but everyone has to get one anyway.

    Their goal at this point is to promote useless vaccines as a "permanent mask" if you will. It may or may not work but it will definitely make you feel better and less helpless if that's something you want and then maybe the sheep will forget about this and go back to their Soma and porn.

    *Various places around the world were and are getting hit at different times, for instance, India. But a big part of that is just regular flu being labeled as "Covid", just as in this country. They are still at barely 200,000 deaths over the past 12 months. Considering comorbidities and the fact that that 9.5 million people die there every single year, deaths attributed to covid so far are barely a statistical blip. And at some point the panic in India will wane and the casedemic will naturally decline and people will forget about the "crisis" there.

    ** Excess deaths in the United States were wildly inflated due to the political response to effective treatments and due to lockdowns. With a more proportionate response and effective treatments, Covid would have just been a bad flu season when it was all said and done. A lot of people died unnecessarily for partisan political reasons.

    *** If you want a real control group, look at Florida or Sweden or South Dakota. They all had outbreaks and deaths, just like every flu season, but they also didn't participate in the panic orgy and they are none the worse for it at the end of the day.

  45. @AnotherDad
    @usNthem


    The sad thing is that well over 50% of Americans have taken or intend to take an emergency experimental jab with unknown downstream consequences for a virus that damn near a 100% survive. Wtf.
     
    There's no polite what to say it. This is frankly ... stupid.

    Why accept "damn near 100%" survival, when i can make it basically 100% with the vax. (Or at least cut the mortality 10X.)

    Why accept the "unknown downstream consequences" of getting the virus, which we already know can be pretty damn bad as it's a vascular attack and a fair number of people who get it and survive have continuing issues, and studies--like the big VA study--already show it raises downstream mortality significantly, when you can take a vax using the same spike protein to induce immunity but skip the nasty vascular attack?

    This "experimental vax" is a naturalistic fallacy: that there's this natural "bug" out there and then some mysterious "big pharma" "experimental" vax.

    No. Both the virus and the vax are "experimental" as in came out of the lab less than 2 years old.


    The vax uses the same spike protein--stabilized--to induce immunity, but avoids actually having this nasty bug which attacks the vascular system. A year's worth of data on it and it beats the hell outta getting the bug.

    This is called a "no brainer".


    It's unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that's no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines--hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease we've had since the neolithic revolution--are the best damn thing modern medicine has given us, and the 2nd best public health advance after sewers/clean-water-supply.

    Encouraging people to skip the bug is encouraging them to eventually get this bug--with a decent chance of impaired health from it down the road.

    Replies: @sideshow_bob, @V. K. Ovelund, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Adam Smith, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Realist

    Virtually all the people who die from Covid are already in bad shape. The vaccine taking the survival rate from 99.8% to 99.9% is not worth the time, effort, and money. It could save more lives if it were used for nutrition health education, for example.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @sideshow_bob

    Virtually all the people who die from Covid are already in bad shape. The vaccine taking the survival rate from 99.8% to 99.9% is not worth the time, effort, and money. It could save more lives if it were used for nutrition health education, for example.

    The vaccine has been produced and now there is a surplus of it.

    Covid hospital stays are extremely expensive so arguing that people shouldn't get a vaccine from existing inventory cannot be made on a cost basis at this point.

  46. @Twinkie
    @Realist


    Don’t forget to wear a mask.
     
    We will, except when eating.

    Replies: @Realist, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @dfordoom

    We will, except when eating.

    That a boy. Do as you are told no matter how stupid it is.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  47. @nebulafox
    @Realist

    OT:

    It's never too late to get started on your real education at your local library or by pirating stuff online, if you don't have the funds to buy books yet. (Well, pre-COVID. Where I am, the governor seems more likely to make libraries into homeless shelters than to re-open them for their intended purpose.) Harder, sure: this I know! Especially with left-brain topics, you might need to find other people.

    But never too late. Above all, don't let previous negative experiences interfere with shaping your brain, anymore than with the body.

    Replies: @Realist

    Written like a true shitlib.

  48. @AnotherDad
    @usNthem


    The sad thing is that well over 50% of Americans have taken or intend to take an emergency experimental jab with unknown downstream consequences for a virus that damn near a 100% survive. Wtf.
     
    There's no polite what to say it. This is frankly ... stupid.

    Why accept "damn near 100%" survival, when i can make it basically 100% with the vax. (Or at least cut the mortality 10X.)

    Why accept the "unknown downstream consequences" of getting the virus, which we already know can be pretty damn bad as it's a vascular attack and a fair number of people who get it and survive have continuing issues, and studies--like the big VA study--already show it raises downstream mortality significantly, when you can take a vax using the same spike protein to induce immunity but skip the nasty vascular attack?

    This "experimental vax" is a naturalistic fallacy: that there's this natural "bug" out there and then some mysterious "big pharma" "experimental" vax.

    No. Both the virus and the vax are "experimental" as in came out of the lab less than 2 years old.


    The vax uses the same spike protein--stabilized--to induce immunity, but avoids actually having this nasty bug which attacks the vascular system. A year's worth of data on it and it beats the hell outta getting the bug.

    This is called a "no brainer".


    It's unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that's no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines--hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease we've had since the neolithic revolution--are the best damn thing modern medicine has given us, and the 2nd best public health advance after sewers/clean-water-supply.

    Encouraging people to skip the bug is encouraging them to eventually get this bug--with a decent chance of impaired health from it down the road.

    Replies: @sideshow_bob, @V. K. Ovelund, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Adam Smith, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Realist

    It’s unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that’s no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy.

    Sure it is.

    As far as lunacy goes, would it really surprise you if authority were lying to us about the vaccine? Authority has lied to us about practically everything else, after all.

    Authority’s flagrant, careless destruction of public trust during these past 50 years comes at a cost. The ordinary citizen that does not and cannot understand vaccines can hardly be expected to trust authority regarding vaccines under the circumstance.

    It will hardly avail authority now to exclaim, “But we really mean it this time, honest!” Too late. They can react by calling us lunatics, though, if it makes them feel better.

    Many in authority really ought to stop and ask themselves why MAGA America no longer believes a word they say.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Many in authority really ought to stop and ask themselves why MAGA America no longer believes a word they say.

    MAGA America is why we have Biden and soon to be Harris.

    The "just a flu" MAGA cheer squad was downright embarrassing.

    JUST A FLU U GUYZ

    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS

    That was just a massive facepalm. We got a preview of what was to come by way of Italy but the MAGA cheer squad chose to deny reality.

    The press should write checks to MAGA leaders for helping elect Harris. The Democrats had NOTHING until the virus and in fact there was talk of choosing a fall guy and waiting until 2024. But then Trump blew his lead and the MAGA squad made it worse by rallying around mindless denial.

    Authority’s flagrant, careless destruction of public trust during these past 50 years comes at a cost. The ordinary citizen that does not and cannot understand vaccines can hardly be expected to trust authority regarding vaccines under the circumstance.

    What are you saying here? Lazy ignorance is a valid justification? Ever heard of the Polio vaccine? Should we bring back the iron lung because some people don't want to spend 10 minutes learning about how vaccines work?

    Replies: @Stealth, @Wency

  49. Chronic headaches
    Chronic diarrhea
    Loss of memory
    Brain fog
    Unable to find words
    Chronic sinusitis
    Chronic fatigue
    Weird menstrual bleeding
    Immediate Death
    Death later on from ADE

    Yeah, sign me up for the genetic chemotherapy coronavirus vaccine jab, sure.

  50. @WorkingClass
    @John Johnson

    So it isn’t just about you.

    My wife came down with the Kung Flue. Driving her to the ER she was gasping for breath. She kept repeating "help me - help me". She is late sixties, over weight and has various pre-existing conditions. She was in hospital 14 days. I was allowed to speak with her on the phone. After about five days she was feeling better. Until then I didn't like her chances. I was never tested and never showed any symptoms. She and I are fine and dandy. But her sister lost her mother in law and father in law to the Flue.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    My wife came down with the Kung Flue. Driving her to the ER she was gasping for breath. She kept repeating “help me – help me”. She is late sixties, over weight and has various pre-existing conditions. She was in hospital 14 days. I was allowed to speak with her on the phone.

    So why not get the vax? I don’t see why you would want to risk putting someone else through that.

    I am in good shape but don’t want to be the guy that passes it to someone with pre-existing conditions.

  51. @V. K. Ovelund
    @AnotherDad


    It’s unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that’s no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy.
     

    Sure it is.

    As far as lunacy goes, would it really surprise you if authority were lying to us about the vaccine? Authority has lied to us about practically everything else, after all.

    Authority's flagrant, careless destruction of public trust during these past 50 years comes at a cost. The ordinary citizen that does not and cannot understand vaccines can hardly be expected to trust authority regarding vaccines under the circumstance.

    It will hardly avail authority now to exclaim, “But we really mean it this time, honest!” Too late. They can react by calling us lunatics, though, if it makes them feel better.

    Many in authority really ought to stop and ask themselves why MAGA America no longer believes a word they say.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Many in authority really ought to stop and ask themselves why MAGA America no longer believes a word they say.

    MAGA America is why we have Biden and soon to be Harris.

    The “just a flu” MAGA cheer squad was downright embarrassing.

    JUST A FLU U GUYZ

    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS

    That was just a massive facepalm. We got a preview of what was to come by way of Italy but the MAGA cheer squad chose to deny reality.

    The press should write checks to MAGA leaders for helping elect Harris. The Democrats had NOTHING until the virus and in fact there was talk of choosing a fall guy and waiting until 2024. But then Trump blew his lead and the MAGA squad made it worse by rallying around mindless denial.

    Authority’s flagrant, careless destruction of public trust during these past 50 years comes at a cost. The ordinary citizen that does not and cannot understand vaccines can hardly be expected to trust authority regarding vaccines under the circumstance.

    What are you saying here? Lazy ignorance is a valid justification? Ever heard of the Polio vaccine? Should we bring back the iron lung because some people don’t want to spend 10 minutes learning about how vaccines work?

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Stealth
    @John Johnson


    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS
     
    Honest question: Was that literally true?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @Wency
    @John Johnson

    Yeah, I have to agree with you here. I know several centrist-leaning people who went hard against Trump over the virus. I pick up a lot of solipsistic, beggar-thy-neighbor sorts of thinking from the anti-vax crowd, both at unz.com and in the wider world. "Me, me, me." It's playing into a perfect stereotype of how liberals view conservatives, as Randian atomistic individualists who figure they've got theirs, so the world can go to hell.

    The purpose of a vaccine is largely in the herd immunity. And the "herd" in question isn't some abstract thing, the nation-state or whatever. It's the people you interact with: friends, family, co-workers, church. I didn't get the vaccine so much to protect myself as the people around me. Most vulnerable of all are my mother and my in-laws, including my wife's grandmother who is still spry in her 80s and helps cook meals for us. My mother has already lost two friends over this thing, and another was hospitalized.

    When in doubt, I've mostly listened to Greg Cochran. If the maximalist claims against the vaccines are true, then there's a legitimate point. But I don't see any reason to assign those maximalist claims anything more than one in a million sorts of probabilities. And there's not much point basing any decision in life off of such remote probabilities.

  52. That survey is consistent with the hypothesis that US education is indoctrination. The established concept of fitness for vaccination would not indicate 86% or even 79% vaccination rates in the two left-hand demographics. So the survey seems to show reflexive compliance with Big Pharma’s Coke-for-breakfast market expansion ploy.

  53. @Twinkie
    @Realist


    Don’t forget to wear a mask.
     
    We will, except when eating.

    Replies: @Realist, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @dfordoom

    I’m curious of the thought-process in these people.

    Do you believe that the virus exercises gentlemanly restraint in those moments when you take your mask down? “Oh, he’s eating, that wouldn’t be good sport.”

    Do you refrain from breathing every time you take the mask down to take a bite?

    Do you pull the mask down, eat, and then put it back up… or do you pop on a fresh pair of gloves, remove the mask, discard it in a hazardous waste bin, remove and discard the gloves in the same fashion, wash your hands thoroughly, eat, and then put on a brand new mask? (Which is what you should be doing if you were, for some reason, eating in a public place during a pandemic that was so severe it necessitated masks (which should be N-95 rated).)

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    I don’t believe in risk reduction, not elimination.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

  54. @AnotherDad
    @usNthem


    The sad thing is that well over 50% of Americans have taken or intend to take an emergency experimental jab with unknown downstream consequences for a virus that damn near a 100% survive. Wtf.
     
    There's no polite what to say it. This is frankly ... stupid.

    Why accept "damn near 100%" survival, when i can make it basically 100% with the vax. (Or at least cut the mortality 10X.)

    Why accept the "unknown downstream consequences" of getting the virus, which we already know can be pretty damn bad as it's a vascular attack and a fair number of people who get it and survive have continuing issues, and studies--like the big VA study--already show it raises downstream mortality significantly, when you can take a vax using the same spike protein to induce immunity but skip the nasty vascular attack?

    This "experimental vax" is a naturalistic fallacy: that there's this natural "bug" out there and then some mysterious "big pharma" "experimental" vax.

    No. Both the virus and the vax are "experimental" as in came out of the lab less than 2 years old.


    The vax uses the same spike protein--stabilized--to induce immunity, but avoids actually having this nasty bug which attacks the vascular system. A year's worth of data on it and it beats the hell outta getting the bug.

    This is called a "no brainer".


    It's unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that's no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines--hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease we've had since the neolithic revolution--are the best damn thing modern medicine has given us, and the 2nd best public health advance after sewers/clean-water-supply.

    Encouraging people to skip the bug is encouraging them to eventually get this bug--with a decent chance of impaired health from it down the road.

    Replies: @sideshow_bob, @V. K. Ovelund, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Adam Smith, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Realist

    Your thoughts on ivermectin and other drugs that one can use to ameliorate the symptoms?

    Btw: we don’t know that the virus escaped from a lab, but even if it did, “naturalistically” speaking, a natural coronavirus that got passed thru several generations of ferrets until it caused AIDS is a hell of a lot more “natural” than the mRNA gene therapy that causes god knows what. Doubling-down is not a smart move.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account


    ivermectin
     
    You don’t want the vaccine, but you want an anti-parasitic drug for dogs to fight a virus?

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

  55. Agnostic on the vaccine but 100 million Americans have taken it. It isn’t Frankenstein’s monster. Daily deaths from the Chinese labs virus are in free fall.

    Instead of yakking about face masks and vaccinations we should be holding the Chinese Xi Jinping accountable for his virology lab experiments and sending all of India, Europe and our own people on a mission to teach the Middle Kingdom a lesson they will never forget.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • LOL: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @unit472

    How do feel about the blowback theory Unz promulgates? Seriously asking about your critique.

    , @John Johnson
    @unit472

    Instead of yakking about face masks and vaccinations we should be holding the Chinese Xi Jinping accountable for his virology lab experiments and sending all of India, Europe and our own people on a mission to teach the Middle Kingdom a lesson they will never forget.

    Well I guess Churchhill was right about China.

    He wanted to divide out the coast so the West wouldn't have to deal with them as a power in the future. He flat out didn't trust them as a group.

    It's a tragedy that both Trump and Biden are fine with them getting away with it.

    I like how the press calls the virology lab location a mere coincidence. Yea funny that.

  56. @unit472
    Agnostic on the vaccine but 100 million Americans have taken it. It isn't Frankenstein's monster. Daily deaths from the Chinese labs virus are in free fall.

    Instead of yakking about face masks and vaccinations we should be holding the Chinese Xi Jinping accountable for his virology lab experiments and sending all of India, Europe and our own people on a mission to teach the Middle Kingdom a lesson they will never forget.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @John Johnson

    How do feel about the blowback theory Unz promulgates? Seriously asking about your critique.

  57. If the vaccines are as bad as my family thinks they are, then the likely reason for the simultaneous “push, but not force” policy may very well be “Wipe-out \render soulless and obedient robots” as many people as possible, but have a reliable left over population of thoughtful people who, though partially disobedient, are sensible enough to make good tools and decent vassal and servants. They still need people to rule over, and not just idiots.

  58. @unit472
    Agnostic on the vaccine but 100 million Americans have taken it. It isn't Frankenstein's monster. Daily deaths from the Chinese labs virus are in free fall.

    Instead of yakking about face masks and vaccinations we should be holding the Chinese Xi Jinping accountable for his virology lab experiments and sending all of India, Europe and our own people on a mission to teach the Middle Kingdom a lesson they will never forget.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @John Johnson

    Instead of yakking about face masks and vaccinations we should be holding the Chinese Xi Jinping accountable for his virology lab experiments and sending all of India, Europe and our own people on a mission to teach the Middle Kingdom a lesson they will never forget.

    Well I guess Churchhill was right about China.

    He wanted to divide out the coast so the West wouldn’t have to deal with them as a power in the future. He flat out didn’t trust them as a group.

    It’s a tragedy that both Trump and Biden are fine with them getting away with it.

    I like how the press calls the virology lab location a mere coincidence. Yea funny that.

  59. @John Johnson
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Many in authority really ought to stop and ask themselves why MAGA America no longer believes a word they say.

    MAGA America is why we have Biden and soon to be Harris.

    The "just a flu" MAGA cheer squad was downright embarrassing.

    JUST A FLU U GUYZ

    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS

    That was just a massive facepalm. We got a preview of what was to come by way of Italy but the MAGA cheer squad chose to deny reality.

    The press should write checks to MAGA leaders for helping elect Harris. The Democrats had NOTHING until the virus and in fact there was talk of choosing a fall guy and waiting until 2024. But then Trump blew his lead and the MAGA squad made it worse by rallying around mindless denial.

    Authority’s flagrant, careless destruction of public trust during these past 50 years comes at a cost. The ordinary citizen that does not and cannot understand vaccines can hardly be expected to trust authority regarding vaccines under the circumstance.

    What are you saying here? Lazy ignorance is a valid justification? Ever heard of the Polio vaccine? Should we bring back the iron lung because some people don't want to spend 10 minutes learning about how vaccines work?

    Replies: @Stealth, @Wency

    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS

    Honest question: Was that literally true?

    • Agree: JR Ewing
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Stealth

    Honest question: Was that literally true?

    That was sarcasm. Well an attempt at it I guess.

    No the flu does not normally shut down Italian hospitals. It also doesn't take out hospital staff because we have the flu vaccine works most of the time. We also have tamaflu which tames it a bit if you take it in time.

    Replies: @Stealth, @JR Ewing

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Stealth



    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS

    Honest question: Was that literally true?

     

    Literally

    January 3, 2000


    Hospitals Overwhelmed By Flu
    We've survived the Y2K bug...only to be attacked by the flu bug. ...Doctors all over the U.S. agree and emergency rooms are being swamped. Dr. Stephen Lynn of St. Luke's Roosevelt Hospital in New York City has seen hundreds of flu cases just in the last few days.

     

    January 31, 2002:


    Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu
    Doctors all over the U.S. agree and emergency rooms are being swamped. Dr. Stephen Lynn of St. Luke's Roosevelt Hospital in New York City has seen hundreds of flu cases just in the last few days. [sic]

     

    [Looks like they got lazy and recycled an old article]

    May 8, 2009:


    Worried well' overload gives taste of pandemic scenario
    With the global outbreak of novel H1N1 influenza (swine flu) entering its fourth week, physicians at emergency rooms, clinics, and hospitals around the United States say they are overwhelmed with "worried well" who have as much as doubled their patient loads.

     

    Dec 31, 2014:


    Local hospitals ask flu patients to stay away
    “Hospitals are at very full capacity right now, and staff is getting sick as well.”

     

    Jan. 24, 2018:


    Hospitals overwhelmed by influx of flu patients
    Hospitals across the United States are scrambling to treat a mass influx of flu patients....They have asked staff to work overtime and some have set up triage tents and canceled elective surgeries to handle the flood of patients.

     

    Replies: @John Johnson

  60. @sideshow_bob
    @AnotherDad

    Virtually all the people who die from Covid are already in bad shape. The vaccine taking the survival rate from 99.8% to 99.9% is not worth the time, effort, and money. It could save more lives if it were used for nutrition health education, for example.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Virtually all the people who die from Covid are already in bad shape. The vaccine taking the survival rate from 99.8% to 99.9% is not worth the time, effort, and money. It could save more lives if it were used for nutrition health education, for example.

    The vaccine has been produced and now there is a surplus of it.

    Covid hospital stays are extremely expensive so arguing that people shouldn’t get a vaccine from existing inventory cannot be made on a cost basis at this point.

  61. @Stealth
    @John Johnson


    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS
     
    Honest question: Was that literally true?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Honest question: Was that literally true?

    That was sarcasm. Well an attempt at it I guess.

    No the flu does not normally shut down Italian hospitals. It also doesn’t take out hospital staff because we have the flu vaccine works most of the time. We also have tamaflu which tames it a bit if you take it in time.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @John Johnson

    I was talking about Covid.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @JR Ewing
    @John Johnson

    What if I told you we also had drugs like Tamiflu that "tame" covid (in your words) but they were disallowed for a large portion of the year because.... it would help Orange Man they were said to be "dangerous"?

  62. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Twinkie

    I'm curious of the thought-process in these people.

    Do you believe that the virus exercises gentlemanly restraint in those moments when you take your mask down? "Oh, he's eating, that wouldn't be good sport."

    Do you refrain from breathing every time you take the mask down to take a bite?

    Do you pull the mask down, eat, and then put it back up... or do you pop on a fresh pair of gloves, remove the mask, discard it in a hazardous waste bin, remove and discard the gloves in the same fashion, wash your hands thoroughly, eat, and then put on a brand new mask? (Which is what you should be doing if you were, for some reason, eating in a public place during a pandemic that was so severe it necessitated masks (which should be N-95 rated).)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I don’t believe in risk reduction, not elimination.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Twinkie


    I don’t believe in risk reduction, not elimination.
     
    I meant, “I believe...” not “I don’t believe...”
    , @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Twinkie

    I see, and you, for some reason, think that masks are more efficacious at preventing transmission than social distancing, despite the fact that this is not what your government is telling you.

    Under the paradigm you're operating under, you're at more risk dining out masked than dining at home unmasked. (IRL: it depends.) So why not stay home?

  63. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @AnotherDad

    Your thoughts on ivermectin and other drugs that one can use to ameliorate the symptoms?

    Btw: we don't know that the virus escaped from a lab, but even if it did, "naturalistically" speaking, a natural coronavirus that got passed thru several generations of ferrets until it caused AIDS is a hell of a lot more "natural" than the mRNA gene therapy that causes god knows what. Doubling-down is not a smart move.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    ivermectin

    You don’t want the vaccine, but you want an anti-parasitic drug for dogs to fight a virus?

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Twinkie

    Evidence in favor of both ivermectin and HCQ, properly used, is overwhelming. As it is for vitamin D3 and zinc.

    https://c19ivermectin.com/
    https://ivmmeta.com/

    https://c19hcq.com/
    https://hcqmeta.com/
    https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-significant-study-by-6200-multi-country-physicians-on-covid-19-uncovers-treatment-patterns-and-puts-pandemic-in-context/
    "...a COVID-19 study with more than 6,200 physicians in 30 countries... Hydroxychloroquine was overall chosen as the most effective therapy amongst COVID-19 treaters from a list of 15 options (37% of COVID-19 treaters) "

    https://c19vitamind.com/
    https://c19zinc.com/

    Suppressing this information has been mass murder in the USA and many other countries (seee the maps at the above links for HCQ and ivermecting, for instance).

    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
    https://swprs.org/fight-against-ivermectin-begins/
    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/04/current-status-of-ivermectin.html

    https://merylnassmd.com/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative/
    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/04/how-can-they-keep-slamming.html

    https://anh-usa.org/doctors-gagged-as-feds-launch-massive-censorship-campaign/


    Nebulized dilute saline solution of hydrogen peroxide and iodine is also very useful.
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/03/07/nebulized-peroxide.aspx

    That so many people think it is crazy NOT to be injected with an experimental gene therapy technology never deployed in humans before, for a not-so-risky illness with highly effective conventional treatment options, is what is really crazy.

    Two top-notch videos from eminent medical doctors:

    Peter McCullough MD Testifies to Texas Senate HHS Committee - NewTube (~19 minutes)
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=57318

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/04/no_author/dr-ryan-cole-blows-the-whole-covid-19-propaganda-away/ (~29 minutes)

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    , @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Twinkie

    You don't want a drug that's proven safe and effective by researchers who don't have a conflict of interest, but you do want this vaccine?

  64. @Twinkie
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    I don’t believe in risk reduction, not elimination.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    I don’t believe in risk reduction, not elimination.

    I meant, “I believe…” not “I don’t believe…”

  65. @unit472
    @nebulafox

    As pointed out YOU are now eligible to get the jab but why should you? I used to have to go into people's homes, hospitals and nursing homes when I was employed. I got the actual flu when I was forty and it was 3 days of hell so I started getting the annual flu shot after that and I'm 69 know and haven't had the flu since. I did get the Pfizer vaccinations for the same reason I got annual flu shots.

    I'm curious about A.E's polling data though. It doesn't seem to match real world vaccinations rates. Consider Florida. 22 million people of whom 16.9% are black yet as of today the CDC reports only 589, 510 blacks have actually been vaccinated. A.E. reports 90% of negroes say they want the vacciine but they don't seem in any hurry to get it. OTOH whites who are 77% of the Florida population ( and this includes white 'hispanics' have received at least 5, 789,000 vaccinations or almost 10 times the vaccinations of negroes. The shot is free and widely available yet negroes are not getting it even though they say they want it.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Rich

    *Shrug*. At risk of sounding callous, I don’t have that much attachment to whether I live or die: unlikely, statistically, but not impossible. My life isn’t really worth living, to be honest. It is what it is. I’m hoping that’ll change soon, and there’s a chance that it might. But until it does, I’ll do it on an ad hoc basis, when I need to get it to do something or go somewhere.

    My point is simple: insisting that the vaccine does nothing in terms of restoring normality is not good propaganda if your intent is getting people to take it. Least of all when coupled with ham-handed demands to trust people like who don’t seem to want the pandemic to end.

  66. @Black woman
    Everywhere that covid ran rampant produced a deadlier variant.

    We don't really care if deplorables succumb to Darwinism, we just don't want them infecting us with super-covid on their way out.

    Please note that The Atlantic basically admitted as much in an article published last week.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @MarkU, @DanHessinMD, @White man

    “We don’t really care if deplorables succumb to Darwinism, we just don’t want them infecting us with super-covid on their way out.”

    You seem pleasant.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @DanHessinMD

    You know her from the DMV I expect.

  67. @DanHessinMD
    @Black woman

    "We don’t really care if deplorables succumb to Darwinism, we just don’t want them infecting us with super-covid on their way out."

    You seem pleasant.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    You know her from the DMV I expect.

    • LOL: JR Ewing
  68. @Black woman
    @MarkU

    Except that's objectively not true.

    India has a double variant, and a 1% vaccination rate.

    Brazil's region where they reached "herd immunity," Manaus, is where their variant emerged from.

    South Africa also has a low vaccination rate, let it run rampant; produced their own (vaccine-resistant) variant.

    Britain's variant emerged before they started giving out AstraZeneca. Their excess death figures last year suggested an out of control covid situation there as well.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    India has a double variant, and a 1% vaccination rate.

    Brazil’s region where they reached “herd immunity,” Manaus, is where their variant emerged from.

    A month ago the panic porn was focused on Brazil. Cases have dropped 30% since then so now it’s moved over to India. India has one 1/12 the cases per capita of the U.S. so it had some catching up to do. It is also an extremely poor country with a barely functioning hospital system.

    This is all to distract attention from the improving situation here in the United States over the last three months.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    A month ago the panic porn was focused on Brazil. Cases have dropped 30% since then so now it’s moved over to India. India has one 1/12 the cases per capita of the U.S. so it had some catching up to do.

    Oh give me a break. As if anyone knows how many cases India has.

    They can't even master basic sanitation let alone testing for a virus.

    Replies: @Mark G.

  69. @Servant of Gla'aki
    The initial wave of COVIDian vaccines may be a little creaky, from a safety perspective, but if there's any plan to use mass inoculation as a population reduction measure, I suspect that will be deployed in future iterations.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    if there’s any plan to use mass inoculation as a population reduction measure, I suspect that will be deployed in future iterations.

    Given that birth rates are already plummeting globally why would anyone feel the need for population reduction measures? We’re already facing the certainty of a perfectly natural sustained reduction in population.

    This whole “the elites are planning genocide” conspiracy theory makes no sense at all.

    If the elites want the population reduced why do they also want mass immigration to increase the population in western countries?

    At least try to come up with a conspiracy theory that makes sense.

  70. The way to get vaccine compliance is to tell people they can stop wearing a mask once they get vaccinated.

    If Dr. Fauci was a leader rather than someone who just follows political winds, he would say this.

    Instead, he got double vaccinated and now wears two masks. Will any of the “I f$cking love science” people point out this makes no sense?

  71. @John Johnson
    @Stealth

    Honest question: Was that literally true?

    That was sarcasm. Well an attempt at it I guess.

    No the flu does not normally shut down Italian hospitals. It also doesn't take out hospital staff because we have the flu vaccine works most of the time. We also have tamaflu which tames it a bit if you take it in time.

    Replies: @Stealth, @JR Ewing

    I was talking about Covid.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Stealth

    I was talking about Covid.

    Yes Covid shut down Italian hospitals early on.

    Trump must have been golfing at the time because he completely missed that and so did most Democrats for that matter.

    Replies: @Stealth

  72. @John Johnson
    @Rich

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in the “unvaccinated” groups. So the John Johnson theory of the “vax” working or doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. Looks like the people here who told you it was a conspiracy deserve an apology from you for you helping Biden get elected.

    But that isn't evidence that the vaccine isn't working or the virus isn't real. A virus could just kill off vulnerable groups so they never made it to the hospital for the second time.

    The evidence of the vaccine working is in groups that have high vaccination rates and lower rates of hospitalizations or positive cases via testing. So relative to other groups we can see the vaccine working.

    Here you go:
    Last month Clalit, Israel’s largest health service organization, released preliminary data on 200,000 people 60 years or older who were vaccinated, comparing them to 200,000 similar unvaccinated older adults.

    The positivity rate dropped 33 percent among those who were vaccinated, 14 days after they received the vaccine. No decline was seen in the unvaccinated.
    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-cases-dropping-in-groups-with-high-vaccination-rate

    You could have just asked for the data instead of being a prick about it. Maybe try reading outside Unz next time.

    Replies: @Rich, @Kratoklastes

    You just don’t get it, do you JJ? Hospitalizations and infections are down for the whole population, those that received the gene therapy shot, and those that didn’t. Putting something in quotes or accepting twisted statistics from entities that profit from people taking part in the covid shot experiment doesn’t convince anyone. All the deaths, from the beginning of this virus have been the old and the infirm. If you’re very old or have cancer or severe diabetes and you’re willing to try an experimental drug that might give you a few more years, go ahead. Or if you’re just the fearful type, or the gullible, then Godspeed. Get back to me in a year or three and we’ll see how it worked out for you.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Rich

    You just don’t get it, do you JJ? Hospitalizations and infections are down for the whole population, those that received the gene therapy shot, and those that didn’t. Putting something in quotes or accepting twisted statistics from entities that profit from people taking part in the covid shot experiment doesn’t convince anyone.

    So it's merely a coincidence that hospitalizations dropped quicker for vaccinated groups?
    https://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2021/04/coronavirus-hospitalizations-plunge-among-ohios-most-vaccinated-age-groups.html

    Is that what you are going with?

    And also a coincidence that hospitalizations have increased for groups that aren't vaccinated?
    https://www.wishtv.com/news/coronavirus/covid-19-hospitalizations-rise-among-those-who-arent-vaccinated/

    Or if you’re just the fearful type, or the gullible, then Godspeed. Get back to me in a year or three and we’ll see how it worked out for you.

    So you believe in massive conspiracy involving gene therapy while denying widespread evidence that the vaccine is working but I'm the one that isn't making good decisions. Got it.

    Gene therapy is actually extremely expensive and not something they can easily replicate so you might want to at least pick a conspiracy theory that makes sense.

    Replies: @Rich

    , @Jay Fink
    @Rich

    I must know at least 100 people who had Covid. I work with some of them. All of them recovered just fine including an obese diabetic. The only one who died was a man in his 60s who fought cancer and was weak from radiation. My sample pretty much matches the national statistics. Less than 1% die from it and those tend to be old and/or diseased.

    Many people, especially those who watch too much TV, overstate the Covid death risk.

  73. @unit472
    @nebulafox

    As pointed out YOU are now eligible to get the jab but why should you? I used to have to go into people's homes, hospitals and nursing homes when I was employed. I got the actual flu when I was forty and it was 3 days of hell so I started getting the annual flu shot after that and I'm 69 know and haven't had the flu since. I did get the Pfizer vaccinations for the same reason I got annual flu shots.

    I'm curious about A.E's polling data though. It doesn't seem to match real world vaccinations rates. Consider Florida. 22 million people of whom 16.9% are black yet as of today the CDC reports only 589, 510 blacks have actually been vaccinated. A.E. reports 90% of negroes say they want the vacciine but they don't seem in any hurry to get it. OTOH whites who are 77% of the Florida population ( and this includes white 'hispanics' have received at least 5, 789,000 vaccinations or almost 10 times the vaccinations of negroes. The shot is free and widely available yet negroes are not getting it even though they say they want it.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Rich

    Every black guy I know from work says one thing when I ask if they’re getting the shot, “Tuskegee”. One black guy I know from a park I frequent, a churchgoing family man, told me he was going for his 2nd shot about 2 weeks ago. Neither he nor his children have been back to the park since.

  74. @Black woman
    Everywhere that covid ran rampant produced a deadlier variant.

    We don't really care if deplorables succumb to Darwinism, we just don't want them infecting us with super-covid on their way out.

    Please note that The Atlantic basically admitted as much in an article published last week.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @MarkU, @DanHessinMD, @White man

    What are you saying then? That the vaccines are essentially useless due to mutations? The vaccines don’t even stop the spread of the original variant, they only reduce symptoms.

  75. @Mark G.
    @Black woman


    India has a double variant, and a 1% vaccination rate.

    Brazil’s region where they reached “herd immunity,” Manaus, is where their variant emerged from.
     
    A month ago the panic porn was focused on Brazil. Cases have dropped 30% since then so now it's moved over to India. India has one 1/12 the cases per capita of the U.S. so it had some catching up to do. It is also an extremely poor country with a barely functioning hospital system.

    This is all to distract attention from the improving situation here in the United States over the last three months.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    A month ago the panic porn was focused on Brazil. Cases have dropped 30% since then so now it’s moved over to India. India has one 1/12 the cases per capita of the U.S. so it had some catching up to do.

    Oh give me a break. As if anyone knows how many cases India has.

    They can’t even master basic sanitation let alone testing for a virus.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @John Johnson


    Oh give me a break. As if anyone knows how many cases India has.
     
    The people who say variants are deadlier are willing to use case numbers from these third world countries to try to buttress their argument when cases go up. Then, when cases go down, they change their tune and say these statistics aren't dependable.

    The British government said the British variant was deadlier and more contagious and predicted cases would rise but instead they dropped.

    https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/03/27/models-fail-to-predict-the-british-variants-decline/

    The South African variant was supposed to lead to an increase in infections but then they went into a steep decline.

    https://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/2021/03/15/covid-19-cases-south-africa
  76. @Rich
    @John Johnson

    You just don't get it, do you JJ? Hospitalizations and infections are down for the whole population, those that received the gene therapy shot, and those that didn't. Putting something in quotes or accepting twisted statistics from entities that profit from people taking part in the covid shot experiment doesn't convince anyone. All the deaths, from the beginning of this virus have been the old and the infirm. If you're very old or have cancer or severe diabetes and you're willing to try an experimental drug that might give you a few more years, go ahead. Or if you're just the fearful type, or the gullible, then Godspeed. Get back to me in a year or three and we'll see how it worked out for you.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jay Fink

    You just don’t get it, do you JJ? Hospitalizations and infections are down for the whole population, those that received the gene therapy shot, and those that didn’t. Putting something in quotes or accepting twisted statistics from entities that profit from people taking part in the covid shot experiment doesn’t convince anyone.

    So it’s merely a coincidence that hospitalizations dropped quicker for vaccinated groups?
    https://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2021/04/coronavirus-hospitalizations-plunge-among-ohios-most-vaccinated-age-groups.html

    Is that what you are going with?

    And also a coincidence that hospitalizations have increased for groups that aren’t vaccinated?
    https://www.wishtv.com/news/coronavirus/covid-19-hospitalizations-rise-among-those-who-arent-vaccinated/

    Or if you’re just the fearful type, or the gullible, then Godspeed. Get back to me in a year or three and we’ll see how it worked out for you.

    So you believe in massive conspiracy involving gene therapy while denying widespread evidence that the vaccine is working but I’m the one that isn’t making good decisions. Got it.

    Gene therapy is actually extremely expensive and not something they can easily replicate so you might want to at least pick a conspiracy theory that makes sense.

    • Replies: @Rich
    @John Johnson

    Hospitalizations dropped for all groups. How can you possibly quantify whether the people who got the shot ever would have been hospitalized? It's the old statistics game anyone who ever took statistics 101 with a good professor knows. Obviously, your mind is made up. Bully for you, we'll see how the experiment works out.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  77. @Stealth
    @John Johnson

    I was talking about Covid.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I was talking about Covid.

    Yes Covid shut down Italian hospitals early on.

    Trump must have been golfing at the time because he completely missed that and so did most Democrats for that matter.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @John Johnson

    Really? Shut ‘em down? Closed them? I think not. Btw, I don’t believe in any of the vaccine conspiracy theories, but I really hate it when people exaggerate, or just outright bullshit, about how bad the coronavirus epidemic is.

  78. @John Johnson
    @MarkU

    Blaming unvaccinated people for the appearance of new variants is probably getting it backwards.

    More cases = more chances of variants.

    More vaccinated = fewer cases.

    The math is pretty basic.

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in vaccinated groups. So the Unz theory of the Vax not working or not doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. I guess the people here that told me it was a conspiracy and that the virus doesn't exist can now apologize for helping Biden get elected.

    Replies: @Rich, @Dumbo, @MarkU

    Perhaps you should read this, it is an article about a ‘leaky’ vaccine.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous

    In the normal course of events mutations which make a virus less dangerous are favoured, viruses are parasites and harming their hosts is actually bad for their prospects. Vaccines which eradicate diseases (completely block transmission) have worked well, leaky vaccines are quite another matter as you will see if you bother to read the article (which dates from 2015, well before the issue became politicised) In the normal course of events, virulent strains of a virus will tend to wipe themselves out while milder forms are more likely to prosper. With a leaky vaccine the virulent strains can still prosper in the vaccinated population. Rather than the unvaccinated population presenting a danger to the vaccinated, the reverse is more likely to be true.

    I am sure that big pharma would profit greatly if the entire human race became dependent on their dodgy vaccines in perpetuity, personally I am not sold on the idea.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @MarkU


    Rather than the unvaccinated population presenting a danger to the vaccinated, the reverse is more likely to be true.
     
    Thank you.

  79. When Italy had COVID: COVID doesn’t exist! You are racist against Asians! Hug a Chinaman!
    March: Masks don’t work! All the Asian “Americans” bought them by the case and shipped them to China so we’ll just say they don’t work! Science!
    April: Drumpf is racist for closing the border with China!
    May: Masks do work! Trust the science! Masks are mandatory.
    June: Stumpf is literally killing people! How come he didn’t act faster??
    July: closed borders are good. Stay out of Europe, bigots.

    Now: take the science juice or you’ll be locked down forever! Science!
    Two of the four vaccines that we initially said will save you actually cause deadly blood clots. Science! Take the other two for science!

    I’ve watched the narrative change in real time. Btw, I bought an n95 mask back in JANUARY 2020 because 4chan had already figured it out while the media ignored it.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  80. @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    A month ago the panic porn was focused on Brazil. Cases have dropped 30% since then so now it’s moved over to India. India has one 1/12 the cases per capita of the U.S. so it had some catching up to do.

    Oh give me a break. As if anyone knows how many cases India has.

    They can't even master basic sanitation let alone testing for a virus.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    Oh give me a break. As if anyone knows how many cases India has.

    The people who say variants are deadlier are willing to use case numbers from these third world countries to try to buttress their argument when cases go up. Then, when cases go down, they change their tune and say these statistics aren’t dependable.

    The British government said the British variant was deadlier and more contagious and predicted cases would rise but instead they dropped.

    https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/03/27/models-fail-to-predict-the-british-variants-decline/

    The South African variant was supposed to lead to an increase in infections but then they went into a steep decline.

    https://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/2021/03/15/covid-19-cases-south-africa

  81. @John Johnson
    @Rich

    You just don’t get it, do you JJ? Hospitalizations and infections are down for the whole population, those that received the gene therapy shot, and those that didn’t. Putting something in quotes or accepting twisted statistics from entities that profit from people taking part in the covid shot experiment doesn’t convince anyone.

    So it's merely a coincidence that hospitalizations dropped quicker for vaccinated groups?
    https://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2021/04/coronavirus-hospitalizations-plunge-among-ohios-most-vaccinated-age-groups.html

    Is that what you are going with?

    And also a coincidence that hospitalizations have increased for groups that aren't vaccinated?
    https://www.wishtv.com/news/coronavirus/covid-19-hospitalizations-rise-among-those-who-arent-vaccinated/

    Or if you’re just the fearful type, or the gullible, then Godspeed. Get back to me in a year or three and we’ll see how it worked out for you.

    So you believe in massive conspiracy involving gene therapy while denying widespread evidence that the vaccine is working but I'm the one that isn't making good decisions. Got it.

    Gene therapy is actually extremely expensive and not something they can easily replicate so you might want to at least pick a conspiracy theory that makes sense.

    Replies: @Rich

    Hospitalizations dropped for all groups. How can you possibly quantify whether the people who got the shot ever would have been hospitalized? It’s the old statistics game anyone who ever took statistics 101 with a good professor knows. Obviously, your mind is made up. Bully for you, we’ll see how the experiment works out.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Rich

    Hospitalizations dropped for all groups.

    Hospitalizations have increased for non-vaccinated groups
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-19-hospitalizations-up-among-younger-age-groups/ar-BB1fb29U

    Time to pull your head out of the sand. The vaccine is working.

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew, @Rumpelstiltskin

  82. @Rich
    @John Johnson

    You just don't get it, do you JJ? Hospitalizations and infections are down for the whole population, those that received the gene therapy shot, and those that didn't. Putting something in quotes or accepting twisted statistics from entities that profit from people taking part in the covid shot experiment doesn't convince anyone. All the deaths, from the beginning of this virus have been the old and the infirm. If you're very old or have cancer or severe diabetes and you're willing to try an experimental drug that might give you a few more years, go ahead. Or if you're just the fearful type, or the gullible, then Godspeed. Get back to me in a year or three and we'll see how it worked out for you.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jay Fink

    I must know at least 100 people who had Covid. I work with some of them. All of them recovered just fine including an obese diabetic. The only one who died was a man in his 60s who fought cancer and was weak from radiation. My sample pretty much matches the national statistics. Less than 1% die from it and those tend to be old and/or diseased.

    Many people, especially those who watch too much TV, overstate the Covid death risk.

    • Agree: Rich
  83. @John Johnson
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Many in authority really ought to stop and ask themselves why MAGA America no longer believes a word they say.

    MAGA America is why we have Biden and soon to be Harris.

    The "just a flu" MAGA cheer squad was downright embarrassing.

    JUST A FLU U GUYZ

    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS

    That was just a massive facepalm. We got a preview of what was to come by way of Italy but the MAGA cheer squad chose to deny reality.

    The press should write checks to MAGA leaders for helping elect Harris. The Democrats had NOTHING until the virus and in fact there was talk of choosing a fall guy and waiting until 2024. But then Trump blew his lead and the MAGA squad made it worse by rallying around mindless denial.

    Authority’s flagrant, careless destruction of public trust during these past 50 years comes at a cost. The ordinary citizen that does not and cannot understand vaccines can hardly be expected to trust authority regarding vaccines under the circumstance.

    What are you saying here? Lazy ignorance is a valid justification? Ever heard of the Polio vaccine? Should we bring back the iron lung because some people don't want to spend 10 minutes learning about how vaccines work?

    Replies: @Stealth, @Wency

    Yeah, I have to agree with you here. I know several centrist-leaning people who went hard against Trump over the virus. I pick up a lot of solipsistic, beggar-thy-neighbor sorts of thinking from the anti-vax crowd, both at unz.com and in the wider world. “Me, me, me.” It’s playing into a perfect stereotype of how liberals view conservatives, as Randian atomistic individualists who figure they’ve got theirs, so the world can go to hell.

    The purpose of a vaccine is largely in the herd immunity. And the “herd” in question isn’t some abstract thing, the nation-state or whatever. It’s the people you interact with: friends, family, co-workers, church. I didn’t get the vaccine so much to protect myself as the people around me. Most vulnerable of all are my mother and my in-laws, including my wife’s grandmother who is still spry in her 80s and helps cook meals for us. My mother has already lost two friends over this thing, and another was hospitalized.

    When in doubt, I’ve mostly listened to Greg Cochran. If the maximalist claims against the vaccines are true, then there’s a legitimate point. But I don’t see any reason to assign those maximalist claims anything more than one in a million sorts of probabilities. And there’s not much point basing any decision in life off of such remote probabilities.

  84. Evil and Treasonous Globalized Central Banker Shysters have used this Bat Soup Fever Covid to more fully concentrate loot and power in the greedy, money-grubbing clutches of the globalized plutocracy and the transnational corporations and the disgusting and vile cohort called White Upper Middle Class Snot Brats.

  85. @John Johnson
    @Twinkie

    My wife was vaccinated months ago – she’s still alive. But she did give me permission to put a bullet into her head and marry a much younger woman (you know, for the children, so that they can have an energetic mom) IF she turned into a zombie after the vaccination.

    I should have made that deal but ended up getting tentacles and not zombie wife.

    Pfizer is tentacles and Moderna is zombie wife.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    I guess AZ is the vampire then?

  86. @AnotherDad
    @usNthem


    The sad thing is that well over 50% of Americans have taken or intend to take an emergency experimental jab with unknown downstream consequences for a virus that damn near a 100% survive. Wtf.
     
    There's no polite what to say it. This is frankly ... stupid.

    Why accept "damn near 100%" survival, when i can make it basically 100% with the vax. (Or at least cut the mortality 10X.)

    Why accept the "unknown downstream consequences" of getting the virus, which we already know can be pretty damn bad as it's a vascular attack and a fair number of people who get it and survive have continuing issues, and studies--like the big VA study--already show it raises downstream mortality significantly, when you can take a vax using the same spike protein to induce immunity but skip the nasty vascular attack?

    This "experimental vax" is a naturalistic fallacy: that there's this natural "bug" out there and then some mysterious "big pharma" "experimental" vax.

    No. Both the virus and the vax are "experimental" as in came out of the lab less than 2 years old.


    The vax uses the same spike protein--stabilized--to induce immunity, but avoids actually having this nasty bug which attacks the vascular system. A year's worth of data on it and it beats the hell outta getting the bug.

    This is called a "no brainer".


    It's unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that's no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines--hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease we've had since the neolithic revolution--are the best damn thing modern medicine has given us, and the 2nd best public health advance after sewers/clean-water-supply.

    Encouraging people to skip the bug is encouraging them to eventually get this bug--with a decent chance of impaired health from it down the road.

    Replies: @sideshow_bob, @V. K. Ovelund, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Adam Smith, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Realist

    There is no excuse for this pro-vaxx lunacy. Vaccines spread disease.
    Please quarantine for about a month after each of your injections.
    Please be courteous. Please stop spreading disease.

  87. @sideshow_bob
    @Rich

    The vaccine is working because they lowered the PCR test amplification from 45x to 30x after Bidet took office.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    This is exactly what happened. You are correct. It was all created artificially and now it is all being walked back and credited to the vaccines, which is simply not true.

    Covid was as real as any other flu outbreak and the first wave in the US was real, but after the first wave of deaths in the “dry kindling” left over from 2019 and pulled forward from 2021, it was all basically over by the end of March 2020*.

    After that, everything that followed from about April 2020 onwards was overblown. Panic was pumped worldwide – and people purposely allowed to die** without access to basic well understood treatments – just to get Trump in November.

    Remember, in early 2020, Trump was looking unstoppable and speculation was that “something unusual” would have to happen for him to lose. So they created it.

    Part of that strategy was amplifying the hell out of PCR tests and mandating masks on healthy people in order to create the “casedemic” and spread the fear until after the election.

    But the Dems/Media/Chinese/NGO all did too good a job stoking that panic…. so in order to unring that bell and walk it all back, a “vaccine” was needed as an exogenous force that could introduced and credited.

    The recent reduction in cases since January is due to the lowering of the PCR threshold and the fact that there is a hell of a lot of acquired immunity out there among healthy people who were at very little risk of dying in the first place, NOT the vaccines.

    The vaccines have had very little to do with it, but they are a good way to give credit to the government so that it cannot be be postulated that the whole epidemic went away on its own. EVERYONE must get vaccinated in order to eliminate the control group***. The “scariant” nonsense is part of that. The government even admits that vaccines have very little to do with it, which is why they can’t unequivocally say, “no restrictions after vaccination”… but everyone has to get one anyway.

    Their goal at this point is to promote useless vaccines as a “permanent mask” if you will. It may or may not work but it will definitely make you feel better and less helpless if that’s something you want and then maybe the sheep will forget about this and go back to their Soma and porn.

    *Various places around the world were and are getting hit at different times, for instance, India. But a big part of that is just regular flu being labeled as “Covid”, just as in this country. They are still at barely 200,000 deaths over the past 12 months. Considering comorbidities and the fact that that 9.5 million people die there every single year, deaths attributed to covid so far are barely a statistical blip. And at some point the panic in India will wane and the casedemic will naturally decline and people will forget about the “crisis” there.

    ** Excess deaths in the United States were wildly inflated due to the political response to effective treatments and due to lockdowns. With a more proportionate response and effective treatments, Covid would have just been a bad flu season when it was all said and done. A lot of people died unnecessarily for partisan political reasons.

    *** If you want a real control group, look at Florida or Sweden or South Dakota. They all had outbreaks and deaths, just like every flu season, but they also didn’t participate in the panic orgy and they are none the worse for it at the end of the day.

  88. @MarkU
    @John Johnson

    Perhaps you should read this, it is an article about a 'leaky' vaccine.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous

    In the normal course of events mutations which make a virus less dangerous are favoured, viruses are parasites and harming their hosts is actually bad for their prospects. Vaccines which eradicate diseases (completely block transmission) have worked well, leaky vaccines are quite another matter as you will see if you bother to read the article (which dates from 2015, well before the issue became politicised) In the normal course of events, virulent strains of a virus will tend to wipe themselves out while milder forms are more likely to prosper. With a leaky vaccine the virulent strains can still prosper in the vaccinated population. Rather than the unvaccinated population presenting a danger to the vaccinated, the reverse is more likely to be true.

    I am sure that big pharma would profit greatly if the entire human race became dependent on their dodgy vaccines in perpetuity, personally I am not sold on the idea.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    Rather than the unvaccinated population presenting a danger to the vaccinated, the reverse is more likely to be true.

    Thank you.

  89. @John Johnson
    @Stealth

    Honest question: Was that literally true?

    That was sarcasm. Well an attempt at it I guess.

    No the flu does not normally shut down Italian hospitals. It also doesn't take out hospital staff because we have the flu vaccine works most of the time. We also have tamaflu which tames it a bit if you take it in time.

    Replies: @Stealth, @JR Ewing

    What if I told you we also had drugs like Tamiflu that “tame” covid (in your words) but they were disallowed for a large portion of the year because…. it would help Orange Man they were said to be “dangerous”?

  90. @John Johnson
    @Stealth

    I was talking about Covid.

    Yes Covid shut down Italian hospitals early on.

    Trump must have been golfing at the time because he completely missed that and so did most Democrats for that matter.

    Replies: @Stealth

    Really? Shut ‘em down? Closed them? I think not. Btw, I don’t believe in any of the vaccine conspiracy theories, but I really hate it when people exaggerate, or just outright bullshit, about how bad the coronavirus epidemic is.

  91. @Twinkie
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account


    ivermectin
     
    You don’t want the vaccine, but you want an anti-parasitic drug for dogs to fight a virus?

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Evidence in favor of both ivermectin and HCQ, properly used, is overwhelming. As it is for vitamin D3 and zinc.

    https://c19ivermectin.com/
    https://ivmmeta.com/

    https://c19hcq.com/
    https://hcqmeta.com/
    https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-significant-study-by-6200-multi-country-physicians-on-covid-19-uncovers-treatment-patterns-and-puts-pandemic-in-context/
    “…a COVID-19 study with more than 6,200 physicians in 30 countries… Hydroxychloroquine was overall chosen as the most effective therapy amongst COVID-19 treaters from a list of 15 options (37% of COVID-19 treaters) ”

    https://c19vitamind.com/
    https://c19zinc.com/

    Suppressing this information has been mass murder in the USA and many other countries (seee the maps at the above links for HCQ and ivermecting, for instance).

    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
    https://swprs.org/fight-against-ivermectin-begins/
    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/04/current-status-of-ivermectin.html

    https://merylnassmd.com/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative/
    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/04/how-can-they-keep-slamming.html

    https://anh-usa.org/doctors-gagged-as-feds-launch-massive-censorship-campaign/

    Nebulized dilute saline solution of hydrogen peroxide and iodine is also very useful.
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/03/07/nebulized-peroxide.aspx

    That so many people think it is crazy NOT to be injected with an experimental gene therapy technology never deployed in humans before, for a not-so-risky illness with highly effective conventional treatment options, is what is really crazy.

    Two top-notch videos from eminent medical doctors:

    Peter McCullough MD Testifies to Texas Senate HHS Committee – NewTube (~19 minutes)
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=57318

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/04/no_author/dr-ryan-cole-blows-the-whole-covid-19-propaganda-away/ (~29 minutes)

    • Thanks: Jay Fink, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin

    , @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Doing the Lord's work there, son.

    Have you heard about Pfizer's mooted antiviral? How much do you want to bet it's just ivermectin under another name? (and at a much higher price...)

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin

  92. @John Johnson
    @Rich

    Hospitalizations have already dropped in the “unvaccinated” groups. So the John Johnson theory of the “vax” working or doing anything substantial is no longer supportable. Looks like the people here who told you it was a conspiracy deserve an apology from you for you helping Biden get elected.

    But that isn't evidence that the vaccine isn't working or the virus isn't real. A virus could just kill off vulnerable groups so they never made it to the hospital for the second time.

    The evidence of the vaccine working is in groups that have high vaccination rates and lower rates of hospitalizations or positive cases via testing. So relative to other groups we can see the vaccine working.

    Here you go:
    Last month Clalit, Israel’s largest health service organization, released preliminary data on 200,000 people 60 years or older who were vaccinated, comparing them to 200,000 similar unvaccinated older adults.

    The positivity rate dropped 33 percent among those who were vaccinated, 14 days after they received the vaccine. No decline was seen in the unvaccinated.
    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-cases-dropping-in-groups-with-high-vaccination-rate

    You could have just asked for the data instead of being a prick about it. Maybe try reading outside Unz next time.

    Replies: @Rich, @Kratoklastes

    Why is the primary source for that ‘study’ a Twitter thread that makes no mention of what the baseline PCR-positivity rate was in the unvaccinated?

    After all, we all now know that Pfizer’s “95% efficacy” claim is a RELATIVE measure: the non-inected had a PCR-positivity of 0.88%; the injectees had a PCR-positivity rate of 0.04% (a ~95% reduction from 0.88).

    That is to say, in both groups in the Pfizer study, over 99% of people didn’t test positive for infection with SARS-nCoV2.

    So maybe it turns out that “fuck all” (age-agnostic baseline risk of infection – not death) can be turned into “even less than fuck-all”, if the Pfizer study (and this current Twitter thread) stand up to scrutiny.

    Only innumerate housewives are impressed by relative measures. They are beloved by Pharma companies because they get into the brain of morons.

    But here’s a relative measure for you: if you’re a metabolically-normal male under 60, there is more risk of death as a result of thrombocytopenia from the injection, than from COVID19.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Thanks: Rich, Mark G.
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Kratoklastes

    After all, we all now know that Pfizer’s “95% efficacy” claim is a RELATIVE measure: the non-inected had a PCR-positivity of 0.88%; the injectees had a PCR-positivity rate of 0.04% (a ~95% reduction from 0.88).

    Of course it is a relative measure. We look at a control group and measure how many got the virus vs the vaccinated group. There are dozens of studies that show it is working. What do you want them to do? Inject everyone in the vax group with the virus?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/28/cdc-study-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-94-effective-aga/

    But here’s a relative measure for you: if you’re a metabolically-normal male under 60, there is more risk of death as a result of thrombocytopenia from the injection, than from COVID19.

    Risk of death under 60 is low for COVID but the same is for measles.

    But that isn't the main reason to get the vaccine.

    More vaccinated = fewer deaths and hospitalizations of people in vulnerable populations.

    More vaccinated also means lowered odds of mutations.

    More vaccinated means herd protection for groups that can't get vaccinated.

    That is what the anti-vax crowd doesn't get about measles. Children with compromised immune systems can't get vaccinated. The anti-vax crowd was actually a fuzzy left-wing movement led by a Kennedy until COVID came along.

    Anyways I know someone under 50 that was hospitalized and though he survived it was absolute hell. No one is saying to get the vax merely to avoid being killed by COVID. As with the flu vaccine it reduces the severity of the illness.

  93. @AnotherDad
    @usNthem


    The sad thing is that well over 50% of Americans have taken or intend to take an emergency experimental jab with unknown downstream consequences for a virus that damn near a 100% survive. Wtf.
     
    There's no polite what to say it. This is frankly ... stupid.

    Why accept "damn near 100%" survival, when i can make it basically 100% with the vax. (Or at least cut the mortality 10X.)

    Why accept the "unknown downstream consequences" of getting the virus, which we already know can be pretty damn bad as it's a vascular attack and a fair number of people who get it and survive have continuing issues, and studies--like the big VA study--already show it raises downstream mortality significantly, when you can take a vax using the same spike protein to induce immunity but skip the nasty vascular attack?

    This "experimental vax" is a naturalistic fallacy: that there's this natural "bug" out there and then some mysterious "big pharma" "experimental" vax.

    No. Both the virus and the vax are "experimental" as in came out of the lab less than 2 years old.


    The vax uses the same spike protein--stabilized--to induce immunity, but avoids actually having this nasty bug which attacks the vascular system. A year's worth of data on it and it beats the hell outta getting the bug.

    This is called a "no brainer".


    It's unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that's no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines--hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease we've had since the neolithic revolution--are the best damn thing modern medicine has given us, and the 2nd best public health advance after sewers/clean-water-supply.

    Encouraging people to skip the bug is encouraging them to eventually get this bug--with a decent chance of impaired health from it down the road.

    Replies: @sideshow_bob, @V. K. Ovelund, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Adam Smith, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Realist

    This “experimental vax” is a naturalistic fallacy…

    …that’s no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines–hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease…

    Absolute nonsense.

    That both Pfizer and Moderna are still-poorly-tested experimental gene therapy ‘vaccines’ is undeniable to any except those who live in a post-fact reality. There is a reason it is being administered under an EUA — emergency use authorization. Mid- and long-term risks (and benefits) are totally unknown. I.e. experimental. They will remain that way, since the trials are being scuttled by vaccinating the placebo arm, and since there is no adequate tracking of adverse events. (How many blatantly sketchy and dishonest acts would it take for you to decide not to entrust everything you value to those responsible for them?)

    Yeah, a virus and a new technology are equally experimental. Nevermind that our immune systems have evolved over eons to deal with viruses, but have never been meddled with by mRNA technology. Do you actually believe what you are saying? This kind of braindead nonsense is mind-boggling.

    As for hugely lifting the burden of disease, this belief is largely the result of successful marketing by the producers of vaccines. If you actually care about getting this right, you might check out Suzanne Humphries book, freely available at archive.org, Dissolving Illusions.

    https://archive.org/details/SuzanneHumphriesMDDissolvingIllusionsDiseaseVaccinesAndTheForgottenHistory2013Pdf

    And if you have or hope to have kids or grandkids, you owe it to them and yourself to consider J. B. Handley’s book:

    Regarding ‘anti-vax’ lunacy, AnotherDad, maybe you’re lost enough to submit yourself and your children to every injection the pharmaceutical industry pushes, but there’s a hell of a lot of room between doing that and being ‘anti-vax’ (nothing against being anti-vax). Certainly wariness of a barely tested new technology that messes with your immune system and genetics falls in that range. In a sane society this would be common sense.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    I wish there was a facepalm button.

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin

    , @nebulafox
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    "How to end the autism epidemic."

    1) Stop turning male personalities that educational bureaucrats and other assorted Usual Suspects don't like into pathologies. I'm reasonably confident that in 1961, 16 year old me would have been considered a somewhat eccentric but otherwise normal adolescent. (Of course, I probably also wouldn't have gotten into the trouble that landed me with the mental health crowd in the first place, but that's another story.)

    2) Reverse the upper-middle class arms race that incentivizes parents getting their kids diagnosed rather than accepting that they are obnoxious, unsocialized, mediocre or-gasp-even sub-par.

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin

  94. @Rumpelstiltskin
    @AnotherDad


    This “experimental vax” is a naturalistic fallacy...

    ...that’s no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines–hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease...
     

    Absolute nonsense.

    That both Pfizer and Moderna are still-poorly-tested experimental gene therapy 'vaccines' is undeniable to any except those who live in a post-fact reality. There is a reason it is being administered under an EUA -- emergency use authorization. Mid- and long-term risks (and benefits) are totally unknown. I.e. experimental. They will remain that way, since the trials are being scuttled by vaccinating the placebo arm, and since there is no adequate tracking of adverse events. (How many blatantly sketchy and dishonest acts would it take for you to decide not to entrust everything you value to those responsible for them?)

    Yeah, a virus and a new technology are equally experimental. Nevermind that our immune systems have evolved over eons to deal with viruses, but have never been meddled with by mRNA technology. Do you actually believe what you are saying? This kind of braindead nonsense is mind-boggling.

    As for hugely lifting the burden of disease, this belief is largely the result of successful marketing by the producers of vaccines. If you actually care about getting this right, you might check out Suzanne Humphries book, freely available at archive.org, Dissolving Illusions.

    https://archive.org/details/SuzanneHumphriesMDDissolvingIllusionsDiseaseVaccinesAndTheForgottenHistory2013Pdf

    And if you have or hope to have kids or grandkids, you owe it to them and yourself to consider J. B. Handley's book:

    https://www.amazon.com/How-Autism-Epidemic-J-B-Handley/dp/1603588248/

    Regarding 'anti-vax' lunacy, AnotherDad, maybe you're lost enough to submit yourself and your children to every injection the pharmaceutical industry pushes, but there's a hell of a lot of room between doing that and being 'anti-vax' (nothing against being anti-vax). Certainly wariness of a barely tested new technology that messes with your immune system and genetics falls in that range. In a sane society this would be common sense.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox

    I wish there was a facepalm button.

    • Disagree: Liberty Mike
    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Twinkie

    Are you perchance employed in the medical industry, or for some other reason identify with them, Twinkie?

  95. @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Twinkie

    Evidence in favor of both ivermectin and HCQ, properly used, is overwhelming. As it is for vitamin D3 and zinc.

    https://c19ivermectin.com/
    https://ivmmeta.com/

    https://c19hcq.com/
    https://hcqmeta.com/
    https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-significant-study-by-6200-multi-country-physicians-on-covid-19-uncovers-treatment-patterns-and-puts-pandemic-in-context/
    "...a COVID-19 study with more than 6,200 physicians in 30 countries... Hydroxychloroquine was overall chosen as the most effective therapy amongst COVID-19 treaters from a list of 15 options (37% of COVID-19 treaters) "

    https://c19vitamind.com/
    https://c19zinc.com/

    Suppressing this information has been mass murder in the USA and many other countries (seee the maps at the above links for HCQ and ivermecting, for instance).

    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
    https://swprs.org/fight-against-ivermectin-begins/
    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/04/current-status-of-ivermectin.html

    https://merylnassmd.com/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative/
    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/04/how-can-they-keep-slamming.html

    https://anh-usa.org/doctors-gagged-as-feds-launch-massive-censorship-campaign/


    Nebulized dilute saline solution of hydrogen peroxide and iodine is also very useful.
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/03/07/nebulized-peroxide.aspx

    That so many people think it is crazy NOT to be injected with an experimental gene therapy technology never deployed in humans before, for a not-so-risky illness with highly effective conventional treatment options, is what is really crazy.

    Two top-notch videos from eminent medical doctors:

    Peter McCullough MD Testifies to Texas Senate HHS Committee - NewTube (~19 minutes)
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=57318

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/04/no_author/dr-ryan-cole-blows-the-whole-covid-19-propaganda-away/ (~29 minutes)

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Twinkie

    You might have noticed that one of the links I included was this one:

    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

    So you're not adding anything here. I included it as an example of suppression of an effective treatment approach, but apparently you are one who trusts the FDA (NIH, CDC) in spite of revolving door corruption and conflict of interest due to their holding relevant patents?

    https://www.axios.com/moderna-nih-coronavirus-vaccine-ownership-agreements-22051c42-2dee-4b19-938d-099afd71f6a0.html

    https://www.lawfirms.com/resources/environment/environment-health/cdc-members-own-more-50-patents-connected-vaccinations

    Some prefer actual practicing doctors and scientists with a record of success, able to present their views cogently and willing to put their individual reputations on the line.

    The crooked science done to discredit HCQ is transparent, and a great case study in how medical science fraud works, for those open to learning and willing to do the work. Synopsis: intentional overdosing and late treatment, designed to discredit. Why? Barely tested vaccines can't be approved under an EUA if effective treatments are already available.

    If a word to the wise is sufficient, then the links I shared already would be too, but here's another:

    Clinical efficacy of chloroquine derivatives in COVID-19 infection-- comparative meta-analysis between the big data and the real world
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297520300615?via%3Dihub

    Also a nice look at how the medical fraud game works:

    Big Pharma and Regulatory Capture feat Leemon McHenry, PhD
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/c6IYRXCN9kWL/

    Understanding that the 'medical industrial complex' has become a sewer of corruption does not imply being 'anti-medicine', but it does imply the need to be very wary in dealing with it -- far more wary than when dealing with an auto mechanic, given the stakes are much higher.

    But hey, if that's all too much for you, just keep getting your booster shots and trust that the gov't and big pharma only have your best interests at heart in playing with your genes. What could possibly go wrong?

    https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturers/pfizer/#lawsuits-and-settlements

  96. @Dumbo
    @John Johnson

    Why would they have helped "Biden get elected", if Trump was the one who started the vaccine production (agreement with Pfizer) and the vaccination campaign ("Warp Speed")? If Biden was elected by anyone, wasn't it by the media saying that he did "a bad job on the pandemic"? (which is subjective, as most responsibility was with the governors)

    Also, it seems to me that, for almost a year we didn't hear of any "variants" at all, then all of a sudden, and just as vaccinations started, we started to hear a lot about many "variants" in different countries. What's the explanation for that?

    a) mere coincidence;
    b) there were variants before, but the media decided not to talk about them before the vaccination started, to avoid panic or just because no one would care and it was easier to say just "covid";
    c) they actually wanted to scare people to make them take the vaccine, so the talk of "variants" that perhaps are not so dissimilar or more infectious/dangerous than the "normal virus" started then so that more people would want the vaxxine
    d) the "variants" were caused by the vaccine itself (mutation pressure etc)
    e) all of the above / none of the above

    Now, if the vaccine works and this pandemic thing ends forever, great. But I am afraid that the idea is to have yearly vaccinations and this continuing for a very long time. I hope not, but, I really don't know anymore...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Hippopotamusdrome

    f) variants are just the flu, bro.

  97. @John Johnson
    @WorkingClass

    If I live until September I will be 78 years on the planet. So why should I care?

    I know someone under 50 that was hospitalized for nearly a month. No pre-existing conditions.

    His family was put through pure torture. I'm amazed they could show up for work. His hospital stay (including air lift) was over 100k. So it isn't just about you.

    But I won’t have the vax. It’s made by the same people who made the disease.

    So Johnson and Johnson products include shampoos, band aids, eye drops and coronaviruses that just happen to outbreak near a Chinese virology lab?

    Replies: @Truth, @WorkingClass, @Hippopotamusdrome

    I know someone under 50 that was hospitalized for nearly a month.

    So, he didn’t even die, then?

  98. @Stealth
    @John Johnson


    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS
     
    Honest question: Was that literally true?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Hippopotamusdrome

    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS

    Honest question: Was that literally true?

    Literally

    January 3, 2000

    Hospitals Overwhelmed By Flu
    We’ve survived the Y2K bug…only to be attacked by the flu bug. …Doctors all over the U.S. agree and emergency rooms are being swamped. Dr. Stephen Lynn of St. Luke’s Roosevelt Hospital in New York City has seen hundreds of flu cases just in the last few days.

    January 31, 2002:

    Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu
    Doctors all over the U.S. agree and emergency rooms are being swamped. Dr. Stephen Lynn of St. Luke’s Roosevelt Hospital in New York City has seen hundreds of flu cases just in the last few days. [sic]

    [Looks like they got lazy and recycled an old article]

    May 8, 2009:

    Worried well’ overload gives taste of pandemic scenario
    With the global outbreak of novel H1N1 influenza (swine flu) entering its fourth week, physicians at emergency rooms, clinics, and hospitals around the United States say they are overwhelmed with “worried well” who have as much as doubled their patient loads.

    Dec 31, 2014:

    Local hospitals ask flu patients to stay away
    “Hospitals are at very full capacity right now, and staff is getting sick as well.”

    Jan. 24, 2018:

    Hospitals overwhelmed by influx of flu patients
    Hospitals across the United States are scrambling to treat a mass influx of flu patients….They have asked staff to work overtime and some have set up triage tents and canceled elective surgeries to handle the flood of patients.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Literally

    January 3, 2000

    Yea nice try.

    Show a case where regular flu shut down a hospital to where they couldn't take patients for scheduled surgeries.

  99. @Twinkie
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin

    You might have noticed that one of the links I included was this one:

    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

    So you’re not adding anything here. I included it as an example of suppression of an effective treatment approach, but apparently you are one who trusts the FDA (NIH, CDC) in spite of revolving door corruption and conflict of interest due to their holding relevant patents?

    https://www.axios.com/moderna-nih-coronavirus-vaccine-ownership-agreements-22051c42-2dee-4b19-938d-099afd71f6a0.html

    https://www.lawfirms.com/resources/environment/environment-health/cdc-members-own-more-50-patents-connected-vaccinations

    Some prefer actual practicing doctors and scientists with a record of success, able to present their views cogently and willing to put their individual reputations on the line.

    The crooked science done to discredit HCQ is transparent, and a great case study in how medical science fraud works, for those open to learning and willing to do the work. Synopsis: intentional overdosing and late treatment, designed to discredit. Why? Barely tested vaccines can’t be approved under an EUA if effective treatments are already available.

    If a word to the wise is sufficient, then the links I shared already would be too, but here’s another:

    Clinical efficacy of chloroquine derivatives in COVID-19 infection– comparative meta-analysis between the big data and the real world
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297520300615?via%3Dihub

    Also a nice look at how the medical fraud game works:

    Big Pharma and Regulatory Capture feat Leemon McHenry, PhD


    Understanding that the ‘medical industrial complex’ has become a sewer of corruption does not imply being ‘anti-medicine’, but it does imply the need to be very wary in dealing with it — far more wary than when dealing with an auto mechanic, given the stakes are much higher.

    But hey, if that’s all too much for you, just keep getting your booster shots and trust that the gov’t and big pharma only have your best interests at heart in playing with your genes. What could possibly go wrong?

    https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturers/pfizer/#lawsuits-and-settlements

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  100. @Twinkie
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    I wish there was a facepalm button.

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin

    Are you perchance employed in the medical industry, or for some other reason identify with them, Twinkie?

  101. From the perspective of moral psychology (see Jonathan Haidt’s work) it’s usually easy to understand the left-right division on any issue. For example, the left-right approach to the lockdowns is clearly driven by the way the different sides think about the ‘trolly problem’ (which I believe can be tied to moral foundation theory, but I digress). However I’m at a loss to explain the vaccine divide. Perhaps it’s just tribalism, especially since Republicans and Democrats were pretty close on this issue before the election. But when the Democrats won the vaccine became part of the Democrat’s ideology and power.

    I’m actually getting my first vaccine shot tomorrow, but not for the typical reasons. Regarding risks, I’m early 40s, lean, very fit, type O blood and have one CCR5-delta 32 mutation. Statistically, I could make a strong argument that I’m much more likely to die in a traffic accident than from COVID. However, I live in a trendy White neighborhood (2% Black!) in a big blue city where everyone literally wears masks when they’re alone in the park playing fetch with their dog. Today I noticed almost everyone puts on their mask BEFORE they get out of their car and they only remove it after they get back in!

    My vaccine is my argument to never where a mask in any social setting (only when required at the grocery store etc). Two weeks after my second shot I’m done. That’s it. F-ck you libtards. I’m simply going to refuse, and will refuse any social event requiring a mask. FWIW I have a long history of being stubborn and not bowing to social pressure.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Anonymous Jew



    the left-right approach to the lockdowns is clearly driven by the way the different sides think about the ‘trolly problem’

     

    Like if a crazy homeless person clams to be the King of Trolley Safety and demands the conductor switch tracks and crash so they don't run over two men laying on the tracks, but no one else can see them.

    Conservatives say they don't see anyone on the tracks and the homeless man has no authority to command the trolley and if they switch tracks the trolley will crash, injuring all the passengers.

    Liberals say: "look at these stastistics. It's a fact thousands have died on crashes on the streets, and the King of Trolley Safety says they probably could have involved Trolleys."
  102. @Rich
    @John Johnson

    Hospitalizations dropped for all groups. How can you possibly quantify whether the people who got the shot ever would have been hospitalized? It's the old statistics game anyone who ever took statistics 101 with a good professor knows. Obviously, your mind is made up. Bully for you, we'll see how the experiment works out.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Hospitalizations dropped for all groups.

    Hospitalizations have increased for non-vaccinated groups
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-19-hospitalizations-up-among-younger-age-groups/ar-BB1fb29U

    Time to pull your head out of the sand. The vaccine is working.

    • LOL: Rich
    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    @John Johnson

    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”. Assuming the vaccine works, people who decline it are analogous to smokers, drug users et al - it’s their risk to take, even if it costs the medical system.

    We gave everyone a chance to get the vaccine. (I live in a blue state that’s been slow, so by the time I’m fully vaccinated in late May pretty much everyone will have had their chance). Now open up and refuse to wear masks. It’s over. Take the vaccine, don’t take it, and demand that we get the f&[email protected] back to normal.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Rumpelstiltskin

    , @Rumpelstiltskin
    @John Johnson

    If you actually parse the language in that article, it does not say what you say, it just leaves it to you to infer it. Once you become attuned to this kind of innuendo you'll see it constantly. Last year we were hearing about a rise in Kawasaki syndrome in children. Bogus. The corporate mass media at work.

    Arguing the other direction,

    Dr. Harvey Risch: 60% of New Covid Patients Have Been Vaccinated
    https://rumble.com/vftpdz-dr.-harvey-risch-60-of-new-covid-patients-have-been-vaccinated.html

    Both these sources are anecdotal, though I trust Risch more than MSN-com. More definitive info is needed.

  103. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Stealth



    EVERY YEAR THE FLU SHUTS DOWN ITALIAN HOSPITALS

    Honest question: Was that literally true?

     

    Literally

    January 3, 2000


    Hospitals Overwhelmed By Flu
    We've survived the Y2K bug...only to be attacked by the flu bug. ...Doctors all over the U.S. agree and emergency rooms are being swamped. Dr. Stephen Lynn of St. Luke's Roosevelt Hospital in New York City has seen hundreds of flu cases just in the last few days.

     

    January 31, 2002:


    Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu
    Doctors all over the U.S. agree and emergency rooms are being swamped. Dr. Stephen Lynn of St. Luke's Roosevelt Hospital in New York City has seen hundreds of flu cases just in the last few days. [sic]

     

    [Looks like they got lazy and recycled an old article]

    May 8, 2009:


    Worried well' overload gives taste of pandemic scenario
    With the global outbreak of novel H1N1 influenza (swine flu) entering its fourth week, physicians at emergency rooms, clinics, and hospitals around the United States say they are overwhelmed with "worried well" who have as much as doubled their patient loads.

     

    Dec 31, 2014:


    Local hospitals ask flu patients to stay away
    “Hospitals are at very full capacity right now, and staff is getting sick as well.”

     

    Jan. 24, 2018:


    Hospitals overwhelmed by influx of flu patients
    Hospitals across the United States are scrambling to treat a mass influx of flu patients....They have asked staff to work overtime and some have set up triage tents and canceled elective surgeries to handle the flood of patients.

     

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Literally

    January 3, 2000

    Yea nice try.

    Show a case where regular flu shut down a hospital to where they couldn’t take patients for scheduled surgeries.

  104. @Rumpelstiltskin
    @AnotherDad


    This “experimental vax” is a naturalistic fallacy...

    ...that’s no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines–hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease...
     

    Absolute nonsense.

    That both Pfizer and Moderna are still-poorly-tested experimental gene therapy 'vaccines' is undeniable to any except those who live in a post-fact reality. There is a reason it is being administered under an EUA -- emergency use authorization. Mid- and long-term risks (and benefits) are totally unknown. I.e. experimental. They will remain that way, since the trials are being scuttled by vaccinating the placebo arm, and since there is no adequate tracking of adverse events. (How many blatantly sketchy and dishonest acts would it take for you to decide not to entrust everything you value to those responsible for them?)

    Yeah, a virus and a new technology are equally experimental. Nevermind that our immune systems have evolved over eons to deal with viruses, but have never been meddled with by mRNA technology. Do you actually believe what you are saying? This kind of braindead nonsense is mind-boggling.

    As for hugely lifting the burden of disease, this belief is largely the result of successful marketing by the producers of vaccines. If you actually care about getting this right, you might check out Suzanne Humphries book, freely available at archive.org, Dissolving Illusions.

    https://archive.org/details/SuzanneHumphriesMDDissolvingIllusionsDiseaseVaccinesAndTheForgottenHistory2013Pdf

    And if you have or hope to have kids or grandkids, you owe it to them and yourself to consider J. B. Handley's book:

    https://www.amazon.com/How-Autism-Epidemic-J-B-Handley/dp/1603588248/

    Regarding 'anti-vax' lunacy, AnotherDad, maybe you're lost enough to submit yourself and your children to every injection the pharmaceutical industry pushes, but there's a hell of a lot of room between doing that and being 'anti-vax' (nothing against being anti-vax). Certainly wariness of a barely tested new technology that messes with your immune system and genetics falls in that range. In a sane society this would be common sense.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox

    “How to end the autism epidemic.”

    1) Stop turning male personalities that educational bureaucrats and other assorted Usual Suspects don’t like into pathologies. I’m reasonably confident that in 1961, 16 year old me would have been considered a somewhat eccentric but otherwise normal adolescent. (Of course, I probably also wouldn’t have gotten into the trouble that landed me with the mental health crowd in the first place, but that’s another story.)

    2) Reverse the upper-middle class arms race that incentivizes parents getting their kids diagnosed rather than accepting that they are obnoxious, unsocialized, mediocre or-gasp-even sub-par.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
    @nebulafox

    Have you exerted even the slightest effort to investigate the issue, Nebulafox, or is this 100% pure armchair theorizing?

    Replies: @anon, @nebulafox

  105. @Kratoklastes
    @John Johnson

    Why is the primary source for that 'study' a Twitter thread that makes no mention of what the baseline PCR-positivity rate was in the unvaccinated?

    After all, we all now know that Pfizer's "95% efficacy" claim is a RELATIVE measure: the non-inected had a PCR-positivity of 0.88%; the injectees had a PCR-positivity rate of 0.04% (a ~95% reduction from 0.88).

    That is to say, in both groups in the Pfizer study, over 99% of people didn't test positive for infection with SARS-nCoV2.

    So maybe it turns out that "fuck all" (age-agnostic baseline risk of infection - not death) can be turned into "even less than fuck-all", if the Pfizer study (and this current Twitter thread) stand up to scrutiny.

    Only innumerate housewives are impressed by relative measures. They are beloved by Pharma companies because they get into the brain of morons.

    But here's a relative measure for you: if you're a metabolically-normal male under 60, there is more risk of death as a result of thrombocytopenia from the injection, than from COVID19.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    After all, we all now know that Pfizer’s “95% efficacy” claim is a RELATIVE measure: the non-inected had a PCR-positivity of 0.88%; the injectees had a PCR-positivity rate of 0.04% (a ~95% reduction from 0.88).

    Of course it is a relative measure. We look at a control group and measure how many got the virus vs the vaccinated group. There are dozens of studies that show it is working. What do you want them to do? Inject everyone in the vax group with the virus?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/28/cdc-study-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-94-effective-aga/

    But here’s a relative measure for you: if you’re a metabolically-normal male under 60, there is more risk of death as a result of thrombocytopenia from the injection, than from COVID19.

    Risk of death under 60 is low for COVID but the same is for measles.

    But that isn’t the main reason to get the vaccine.

    More vaccinated = fewer deaths and hospitalizations of people in vulnerable populations.

    More vaccinated also means lowered odds of mutations.

    More vaccinated means herd protection for groups that can’t get vaccinated.

    That is what the anti-vax crowd doesn’t get about measles. Children with compromised immune systems can’t get vaccinated. The anti-vax crowd was actually a fuzzy left-wing movement led by a Kennedy until COVID came along.

    Anyways I know someone under 50 that was hospitalized and though he survived it was absolute hell. No one is saying to get the vax merely to avoid being killed by COVID. As with the flu vaccine it reduces the severity of the illness.

  106. @nebulafox
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    "How to end the autism epidemic."

    1) Stop turning male personalities that educational bureaucrats and other assorted Usual Suspects don't like into pathologies. I'm reasonably confident that in 1961, 16 year old me would have been considered a somewhat eccentric but otherwise normal adolescent. (Of course, I probably also wouldn't have gotten into the trouble that landed me with the mental health crowd in the first place, but that's another story.)

    2) Reverse the upper-middle class arms race that incentivizes parents getting their kids diagnosed rather than accepting that they are obnoxious, unsocialized, mediocre or-gasp-even sub-par.

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin

    Have you exerted even the slightest effort to investigate the issue, Nebulafox, or is this 100% pure armchair theorizing?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Y'know, it could be that nebulafox is commenting on autism from personal experience, one way or another.

    When you were in grade school, how many of the boys in your class had to take drugs once per day?

    When you were in high school, how many of your classmates were taking SSRI's?

    When you were in college, how many of your friends had scrips for Ritalin or Adderall regularly filled by the campus health center?

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin

    , @nebulafox
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Personal experience. And not just that. A *lot* of people my age are diagnosed with some mental health issue or another largely because of a society that incentivizes labeling people as that (and in truth, incentivizes lying in general) over actually addressing problems, because that-of course-means somebody might be at fault, somewhere.

    I can't go back and change what I regret. I can make sure to raise my sons to be better young men than I was, if I'm so lucky.

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin, @dfordoom

  107. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rumpelstiltskin
    @nebulafox

    Have you exerted even the slightest effort to investigate the issue, Nebulafox, or is this 100% pure armchair theorizing?

    Replies: @anon, @nebulafox

    Y’know, it could be that nebulafox is commenting on autism from personal experience, one way or another.

    When you were in grade school, how many of the boys in your class had to take drugs once per day?

    When you were in high school, how many of your classmates were taking SSRI’s?

    When you were in college, how many of your friends had scrips for Ritalin or Adderall regularly filled by the campus health center?

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
    @anon

    You're right, and I apologize, Nebulafox. I got a bit fired up over AnotherDad and Twinkie's ignorant comments.

    I agree with most of the thrust of what both anon[216] and Nebulafox say.

    Where I differ is that I'm skeptical of the attempt to deny the existence of an autism problem that has gotten a lot of play over the years, mostly by saying that it's all due to re-definition and increased detection of a condition that was always with us. Olmstead and Blaxill wrote a book on this topic called 'Denial', and Handley also addressed it effectively in his book. It seems changes in definition and detection explain no more than 20%-25% of the explosion in cases.

    What I would like to find out is: if, say, the 1 in 36 on the 'spectrum' stat is more or less right, how many are 'high functioning' versus how many are non-verbal, self-harming, etc. What portion have no prospect of ever living independently?

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin, @dfordoom

  108. @John Johnson
    @Rich

    Hospitalizations dropped for all groups.

    Hospitalizations have increased for non-vaccinated groups
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-19-hospitalizations-up-among-younger-age-groups/ar-BB1fb29U

    Time to pull your head out of the sand. The vaccine is working.

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew, @Rumpelstiltskin

    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”. Assuming the vaccine works, people who decline it are analogous to smokers, drug users et al – it’s their risk to take, even if it costs the medical system.

    We gave everyone a chance to get the vaccine. (I live in a blue state that’s been slow, so by the time I’m fully vaccinated in late May pretty much everyone will have had their chance). Now open up and refuse to wear masks. It’s over. Take the vaccine, don’t take it, and demand that we get the f&[email protected] back to normal.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Anonymous Jew


    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”.
     
    It really is bizarre to encounter rightists who don't want lockdowns and don't want to wear masks but they also don't want to get the vaccine. So what the hell do they want?

    They seem to be just indulging in knee-jerk reactions against all these things because they see all these things as communist plots. Or plots to genocide whites.

    And then they wonder why people think rightists are selfish, stupid and crazy.

    Replies: @Rich, @JR Ewing, @nebulafox, @Audacious Epigone

    , @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Anonymous Jew


    the vaccine is all we really have

     

    Except that's not even close to true, as I showed in my comments above. We have safe and highly effective prevention and treatment options that have been censored by the mass media, social media / big tech, and government-- approaches far more generally applicable than the C19 vaccines, and without the unknown risk.

    Heck, if I were you and felt the need to have an excuse for not wearing a mask (very strange, imo) then I'd rather get C19, nip it in the bud with proper treatment, and enjoy the far superior natural immunity that it would confer. To subject yourself to gene therapy roulette to justify not wearing a mask is bonkers. Read up on the potential risks of the vaccines first. I would wager virtually no one who has been injected has done so with truly informed consent.

    A few more on non-vaccine treatment options:

    Dr Pierre Kory, Part 1, Steroids and anticoagulants
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMeP66gdc4o
    Dr Pierre Kory, Part 2, Ivermectin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19DPijOoVKE

    nutritional approaches - http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/index.shtml


    Covid Risk

    https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/
    https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/covid-19/archive-June-2020/
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13423
    https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2918-0
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210318000949/https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
    https://reason.com/2021/04/02/new-cdc-estimates-suggest-covid-19-is-deadlier-than-the-agency-previously-thought/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7721859/
    https://twitter.com/VoidSurf1/status/1320269542174720000
    https://twitter.com/VoidSurf1/status/1361584488040587265
    https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/final-report-on-swedish-mortality-2020-anno-covid/amp/
    https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n896

    Informed Consent

    https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/covid-19-vaccine/


    Vaccine Risks

    https://www.biologicalmedicineinstitute.com/post/covid-19-mrna-vaccines
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/could-spike-protein-moderna-pfizer-vaccines-cause-blood-clots-brain-inflammation-heart-attacks/5737069
    https://www.bulatlat.com/2020/08/21/hazards-of-the-covid-19-vaccine/
    https://doctors4covidethics.medium.com/urgent-open-letter-from-doctors-and-scientists-to-the-european-medicines-agency-regarding-covid-19-f6e17c311595
    https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/99d35b02-a5cb-41e6-ad80-a070f8a5ee17/SMDwhitepaper.pdf
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/surgeon-warns-fda-pfizer-immunological-danger-covid-vaccines-convalescent-asymptomatic-carriers/
    https://scivisionpub.com/abstract-display.php?id=1503
    https://www.anhinternational.org/news/too-few-irons-in-the-fire-or-out-of-the-frying-pan/
    https://www.regulations.gov/document/FDA-2020-N-1898-0246
    https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-a-risk-benefit-analysis/
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/KVNtuVABgbvl/
    , @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Anonymous Jew

    Oops -- wrong link for one of Voidsurf's twitter threads on covid mortality, duplicating the sweden info. Here's for the USA:

    https://twitter.com/VoidSurf1/status/1313777624674709506

    plus one more along the same lines:

    https://twitter.com/whelanh1/status/1305488795329015808

    Given that long-term mortality data is essential context for us to be able to properly evaluate the risk of Covid-19, why is it that it is almost impossible to find?

    One more of many red flags -- the PCR test cycle threshold scandal; conflating 'case fatality rate' with 'infection fatality rate' early on to exaggerate risk; the badly flawed model out of Imperial College (Neil Ferguson); changing cause-of-death accounting rules and offering $$ incentives to hospitals to attribute death to C19; sending recently recovering people from hospital to nursing home; no effort to test vitamin D3 levels and remedy deficiencies; no balanced analysis and discussion of science on masks benefits AND risks; gross exaggeration of asymptomatic transmission; suppression of fact that c19 is transmitted by aerosols, so that contact tracing only makes sense as an exercise in totalitarian surveillance; etc.

  109. @Anonymous Jew
    @John Johnson

    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”. Assuming the vaccine works, people who decline it are analogous to smokers, drug users et al - it’s their risk to take, even if it costs the medical system.

    We gave everyone a chance to get the vaccine. (I live in a blue state that’s been slow, so by the time I’m fully vaccinated in late May pretty much everyone will have had their chance). Now open up and refuse to wear masks. It’s over. Take the vaccine, don’t take it, and demand that we get the f&[email protected] back to normal.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Rumpelstiltskin

    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”.

    It really is bizarre to encounter rightists who don’t want lockdowns and don’t want to wear masks but they also don’t want to get the vaccine. So what the hell do they want?

    They seem to be just indulging in knee-jerk reactions against all these things because they see all these things as communist plots. Or plots to genocide whites.

    And then they wonder why people think rightists are selfish, stupid and crazy.

    • Replies: @Rich
    @dfordoom

    Or how about we don't want to take a chance on an experimental gene therapy shot that was rushed to market without the normal testing protocols? But it's good that so many of you are participating in this experiment, in a year or three we should know a lot more about the side effects of these treatments and the rest of us can make a more educated decision about whether they're worth taking.

    , @JR Ewing
    @dfordoom


    It really is bizarre to encounter rightists who don’t want lockdowns and don’t want to wear masks but they also don’t want to get the vaccine. So what the hell do they want?
     
    Consistent with what the term "political conservative" used to mean, before it became a shorthand for someone who just isn't a leftist, maybe we just don't accept the premise that it's crisis situation that is worthy of any of these extraordinary and unusual responses compared to a bad flu season.

    And the correctness of that reaction seems to have been borne out by the data. There simply has not been enough of a material effect on society or the economy for normal healthy people to notice a difference, much less to justify the excessive government response... and noticing the government response and blaming it on the epidemic is not the same thing. At all.

    , @nebulafox
    @dfordoom

    I think vaccination == immediate end of lockdown measures is not an unreasonable demand, not least because our ruling class has basically demonstrated that they can't be trusted with any good faith whatsoever. You give them an inch on perpetual lockdowns despite vaccination, they'll take it, and gaslight the hell out of you along the way. And not just in America, either.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @dfordoom

    More charitably they are skeptical that a system that consistently evidences that it wants nothing other than to grind them into dirt suddenly has their best interests at heart in this one particular case.

  110. @dfordoom
    @Anonymous Jew


    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”.
     
    It really is bizarre to encounter rightists who don't want lockdowns and don't want to wear masks but they also don't want to get the vaccine. So what the hell do they want?

    They seem to be just indulging in knee-jerk reactions against all these things because they see all these things as communist plots. Or plots to genocide whites.

    And then they wonder why people think rightists are selfish, stupid and crazy.

    Replies: @Rich, @JR Ewing, @nebulafox, @Audacious Epigone

    Or how about we don’t want to take a chance on an experimental gene therapy shot that was rushed to market without the normal testing protocols? But it’s good that so many of you are participating in this experiment, in a year or three we should know a lot more about the side effects of these treatments and the rest of us can make a more educated decision about whether they’re worth taking.

  111. @dfordoom
    @Anonymous Jew


    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”.
     
    It really is bizarre to encounter rightists who don't want lockdowns and don't want to wear masks but they also don't want to get the vaccine. So what the hell do they want?

    They seem to be just indulging in knee-jerk reactions against all these things because they see all these things as communist plots. Or plots to genocide whites.

    And then they wonder why people think rightists are selfish, stupid and crazy.

    Replies: @Rich, @JR Ewing, @nebulafox, @Audacious Epigone

    It really is bizarre to encounter rightists who don’t want lockdowns and don’t want to wear masks but they also don’t want to get the vaccine. So what the hell do they want?

    Consistent with what the term “political conservative” used to mean, before it became a shorthand for someone who just isn’t a leftist, maybe we just don’t accept the premise that it’s crisis situation that is worthy of any of these extraordinary and unusual responses compared to a bad flu season.

    And the correctness of that reaction seems to have been borne out by the data. There simply has not been enough of a material effect on society or the economy for normal healthy people to notice a difference, much less to justify the excessive government response… and noticing the government response and blaming it on the epidemic is not the same thing. At all.

  112. @Twinkie
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account


    ivermectin
     
    You don’t want the vaccine, but you want an anti-parasitic drug for dogs to fight a virus?

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    You don’t want a drug that’s proven safe and effective by researchers who don’t have a conflict of interest, but you do want this vaccine?

  113. @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Twinkie

    Evidence in favor of both ivermectin and HCQ, properly used, is overwhelming. As it is for vitamin D3 and zinc.

    https://c19ivermectin.com/
    https://ivmmeta.com/

    https://c19hcq.com/
    https://hcqmeta.com/
    https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-significant-study-by-6200-multi-country-physicians-on-covid-19-uncovers-treatment-patterns-and-puts-pandemic-in-context/
    "...a COVID-19 study with more than 6,200 physicians in 30 countries... Hydroxychloroquine was overall chosen as the most effective therapy amongst COVID-19 treaters from a list of 15 options (37% of COVID-19 treaters) "

    https://c19vitamind.com/
    https://c19zinc.com/

    Suppressing this information has been mass murder in the USA and many other countries (seee the maps at the above links for HCQ and ivermecting, for instance).

    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
    https://swprs.org/fight-against-ivermectin-begins/
    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/04/current-status-of-ivermectin.html

    https://merylnassmd.com/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative/
    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/04/how-can-they-keep-slamming.html

    https://anh-usa.org/doctors-gagged-as-feds-launch-massive-censorship-campaign/


    Nebulized dilute saline solution of hydrogen peroxide and iodine is also very useful.
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/03/07/nebulized-peroxide.aspx

    That so many people think it is crazy NOT to be injected with an experimental gene therapy technology never deployed in humans before, for a not-so-risky illness with highly effective conventional treatment options, is what is really crazy.

    Two top-notch videos from eminent medical doctors:

    Peter McCullough MD Testifies to Texas Senate HHS Committee - NewTube (~19 minutes)
    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=57318

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/04/no_author/dr-ryan-cole-blows-the-whole-covid-19-propaganda-away/ (~29 minutes)

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Doing the Lord’s work there, son.

    Have you heard about Pfizer’s mooted antiviral? How much do you want to bet it’s just ivermectin under another name? (and at a much higher price…)

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    "A pill that can be ingested orally at home to combat Covid-19 when illness is first detected could be available to the public by the end of 2021"

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/04/27/pfizer-ceo-says-antiviral-pill-to-treat-covid-could-be-ready-by-end-of-the-year/?sh=187d8dd72a0d

    LOL. Sounds like you've got it about right.

    They'd reinvent the wheel and patent it if they could.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

  114. @Twinkie
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    I don’t believe in risk reduction, not elimination.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    I see, and you, for some reason, think that masks are more efficacious at preventing transmission than social distancing, despite the fact that this is not what your government is telling you.

    Under the paradigm you’re operating under, you’re at more risk dining out masked than dining at home unmasked. (IRL: it depends.) So why not stay home?

  115. @Anonymous Jew
    @John Johnson

    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”. Assuming the vaccine works, people who decline it are analogous to smokers, drug users et al - it’s their risk to take, even if it costs the medical system.

    We gave everyone a chance to get the vaccine. (I live in a blue state that’s been slow, so by the time I’m fully vaccinated in late May pretty much everyone will have had their chance). Now open up and refuse to wear masks. It’s over. Take the vaccine, don’t take it, and demand that we get the f&[email protected] back to normal.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Rumpelstiltskin

    the vaccine is all we really have

    Except that’s not even close to true, as I showed in my comments above. We have safe and highly effective prevention and treatment options that have been censored by the mass media, social media / big tech, and government– approaches far more generally applicable than the C19 vaccines, and without the unknown risk.

    Heck, if I were you and felt the need to have an excuse for not wearing a mask (very strange, imo) then I’d rather get C19, nip it in the bud with proper treatment, and enjoy the far superior natural immunity that it would confer. To subject yourself to gene therapy roulette to justify not wearing a mask is bonkers. Read up on the potential risks of the vaccines first. I would wager virtually no one who has been injected has done so with truly informed consent.

    A few more on non-vaccine treatment options:

    Dr Pierre Kory, Part 1, Steroids and anticoagulants

    Dr Pierre Kory, Part 2, Ivermectin

    nutritional approaches – http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/index.shtml

    Covid Risk

    https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/
    https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/covid-19/archive-June-2020/
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13423
    https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2918-0
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210318000949/https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
    https://reason.com/2021/04/02/new-cdc-estimates-suggest-covid-19-is-deadlier-than-the-agency-previously-thought/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7721859/


    https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/final-report-on-swedish-mortality-2020-anno-covid/amp/
    https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n896

    Informed Consent

    https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/covid-19-vaccine/

    Vaccine Risks

    https://www.biologicalmedicineinstitute.com/post/covid-19-mrna-vaccines
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/could-spike-protein-moderna-pfizer-vaccines-cause-blood-clots-brain-inflammation-heart-attacks/5737069
    https://www.bulatlat.com/2020/08/21/hazards-of-the-covid-19-vaccine/
    https://doctors4covidethics.medium.com/urgent-open-letter-from-doctors-and-scientists-to-the-european-medicines-agency-regarding-covid-19-f6e17c311595
    https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/99d35b02-a5cb-41e6-ad80-a070f8a5ee17/SMDwhitepaper.pdf
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/surgeon-warns-fda-pfizer-immunological-danger-covid-vaccines-convalescent-asymptomatic-carriers/
    https://scivisionpub.com/abstract-display.php?id=1503
    https://www.anhinternational.org/news/too-few-irons-in-the-fire-or-out-of-the-frying-pan/
    https://www.regulations.gov/document/FDA-2020-N-1898-0246
    https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-a-risk-benefit-analysis/


  116. @Anonymous Jew
    @John Johnson

    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”. Assuming the vaccine works, people who decline it are analogous to smokers, drug users et al - it’s their risk to take, even if it costs the medical system.

    We gave everyone a chance to get the vaccine. (I live in a blue state that’s been slow, so by the time I’m fully vaccinated in late May pretty much everyone will have had their chance). Now open up and refuse to wear masks. It’s over. Take the vaccine, don’t take it, and demand that we get the f&[email protected] back to normal.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Rumpelstiltskin

    Oops — wrong link for one of Voidsurf’s twitter threads on covid mortality, duplicating the sweden info. Here’s for the USA:

    plus one more along the same lines:

    https://twitter.com/whelanh1/status/1305488795329015808

    Given that long-term mortality data is essential context for us to be able to properly evaluate the risk of Covid-19, why is it that it is almost impossible to find?

    One more of many red flags — the PCR test cycle threshold scandal; conflating ‘case fatality rate’ with ‘infection fatality rate’ early on to exaggerate risk; the badly flawed model out of Imperial College (Neil Ferguson); changing cause-of-death accounting rules and offering $$ incentives to hospitals to attribute death to C19; sending recently recovering people from hospital to nursing home; no effort to test vitamin D3 levels and remedy deficiencies; no balanced analysis and discussion of science on masks benefits AND risks; gross exaggeration of asymptomatic transmission; suppression of fact that c19 is transmitted by aerosols, so that contact tracing only makes sense as an exercise in totalitarian surveillance; etc.

  117. @anon
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Y'know, it could be that nebulafox is commenting on autism from personal experience, one way or another.

    When you were in grade school, how many of the boys in your class had to take drugs once per day?

    When you were in high school, how many of your classmates were taking SSRI's?

    When you were in college, how many of your friends had scrips for Ritalin or Adderall regularly filled by the campus health center?

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin

    You’re right, and I apologize, Nebulafox. I got a bit fired up over AnotherDad and Twinkie’s ignorant comments.

    I agree with most of the thrust of what both anon[216] and Nebulafox say.

    Where I differ is that I’m skeptical of the attempt to deny the existence of an autism problem that has gotten a lot of play over the years, mostly by saying that it’s all due to re-definition and increased detection of a condition that was always with us. Olmstead and Blaxill wrote a book on this topic called ‘Denial’, and Handley also addressed it effectively in his book. It seems changes in definition and detection explain no more than 20%-25% of the explosion in cases.

    What I would like to find out is: if, say, the 1 in 36 on the ‘spectrum’ stat is more or less right, how many are ‘high functioning’ versus how many are non-verbal, self-harming, etc. What portion have no prospect of ever living independently?

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    I did some searching and came up with a couple of interesting data points.

    At this site: https://medalerthelp.org/blog/autism-statistics/
    it says (point #3) that: "Around 40% of autistic children do not speak," and
    (point #23) that, "61% of autistic children present with minimal or no functional speech."

    I prefer more formal sources for these kinds of statistics, but it's a start.

    I also noticed that Handley has a blog, and it had a very nice story to tell that offers a fascinating counterpoint to the above stats:

    https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/underestimated

    , @dfordoom
    @Rumpelstiltskin


    Where I differ is that I’m skeptical of the attempt to deny the existence of an autism problem that has gotten a lot of play over the years, mostly by saying that it’s all due to re-definition and increased detection of a condition that was always with us. Olmstead and Blaxill wrote a book on this topic called ‘Denial’, and Handley also addressed it effectively in his book. It seems changes in definition and detection explain no more than 20%-25% of the explosion in cases.
     
    If it's increased detection of a condition that was always with us then that obviously means that we have no idea how common the condition was in the past. Which means we have no idea how much of the increase is due to increased detection. Which means it's possible that all of the explosion in cases could be due to increased detection.

    The other problem with conditions like autism and ADHD (and indeed many mental illnesses) is that diagnosis is pretty much entirely subjective.

    There's also the problem that certain mental illnesses become fashionable. People want to be diagnosed with those conditions and they want their kids to be diagnosed with them. They are likely to keep trying different doctors until they get the diagnosis they want.
  118. @Rumpelstiltskin
    @nebulafox

    Have you exerted even the slightest effort to investigate the issue, Nebulafox, or is this 100% pure armchair theorizing?

    Replies: @anon, @nebulafox

    Personal experience. And not just that. A *lot* of people my age are diagnosed with some mental health issue or another largely because of a society that incentivizes labeling people as that (and in truth, incentivizes lying in general) over actually addressing problems, because that-of course-means somebody might be at fault, somewhere.

    I can’t go back and change what I regret. I can make sure to raise my sons to be better young men than I was, if I’m so lucky.

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
    @nebulafox

    Good points. I think Jon Rappoport is good on this stuff, for example. The USA, at least, is hugely over-diagnosed and over-drugged.

    Some things take time, as we correct our own errors, but I believe that, with focus and perserverance, what you want and reality will come into alignment and you'll achieve it.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    A *lot* of people my age are diagnosed with some mental health issue or another largely because of a society that incentivizes labeling people as that (and in truth, incentivizes lying in general) over actually addressing problems, because that-of course-means somebody might be at fault, somewhere.
     
    Yep. It gets individuals off the hook, it gets parents off the hook, it gets society off the hook.

    You also have to remember that there's a lot of money in mental illness. Money for doctors, money for drug companies, money for mental health workers, money for schools (which often get subsidies for dealing with pupils with mental illnesses), money for bureaucrats. The more people who get diagnosed, the more money there is for the mental health industry.
  119. @dfordoom
    @Anonymous Jew


    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”.
     
    It really is bizarre to encounter rightists who don't want lockdowns and don't want to wear masks but they also don't want to get the vaccine. So what the hell do they want?

    They seem to be just indulging in knee-jerk reactions against all these things because they see all these things as communist plots. Or plots to genocide whites.

    And then they wonder why people think rightists are selfish, stupid and crazy.

    Replies: @Rich, @JR Ewing, @nebulafox, @Audacious Epigone

    I think vaccination == immediate end of lockdown measures is not an unreasonable demand, not least because our ruling class has basically demonstrated that they can’t be trusted with any good faith whatsoever. You give them an inch on perpetual lockdowns despite vaccination, they’ll take it, and gaslight the hell out of you along the way. And not just in America, either.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    I think vaccination == immediate end of lockdown measures is not an unreasonable demand
     
    I agree.

    The problem is that vaccination is only an effective strategy if most people get vaccinated. If a huge segment of the population refuses to get vaccinated then governments will use that as an excuse to continue the lockdowns and mask-wearing. They will argue (with some justification) that there are some people who cannot get vaccinated for health reasons and that those people are at risk if there's a low level of compliance with vaccination. They will argue (with some justification) that those who refuse to get vaccinated are putting those who cannot get vaccinated at risk.

    So right-wingers who refuse to get vaccinated are making it less likely that the lockdowns will end. And then they will complain bitterly when the lockdowns continue.

    Right-wingers cannot have it both ways. They cannot logically oppose both vaccination and lockdowns. But many of them do just that.
  120. @AnotherDad
    @usNthem


    The sad thing is that well over 50% of Americans have taken or intend to take an emergency experimental jab with unknown downstream consequences for a virus that damn near a 100% survive. Wtf.
     
    There's no polite what to say it. This is frankly ... stupid.

    Why accept "damn near 100%" survival, when i can make it basically 100% with the vax. (Or at least cut the mortality 10X.)

    Why accept the "unknown downstream consequences" of getting the virus, which we already know can be pretty damn bad as it's a vascular attack and a fair number of people who get it and survive have continuing issues, and studies--like the big VA study--already show it raises downstream mortality significantly, when you can take a vax using the same spike protein to induce immunity but skip the nasty vascular attack?

    This "experimental vax" is a naturalistic fallacy: that there's this natural "bug" out there and then some mysterious "big pharma" "experimental" vax.

    No. Both the virus and the vax are "experimental" as in came out of the lab less than 2 years old.


    The vax uses the same spike protein--stabilized--to induce immunity, but avoids actually having this nasty bug which attacks the vascular system. A year's worth of data on it and it beats the hell outta getting the bug.

    This is called a "no brainer".


    It's unfortunate that the Democrats chaotic, nakedly political, often ridiculous and abusive response to the virus has made this stuff tribal to a lot of folks.

    But that's no excuse for this anti-vax lunacy. Vaccines--hugely lifting the burden of infectious disease we've had since the neolithic revolution--are the best damn thing modern medicine has given us, and the 2nd best public health advance after sewers/clean-water-supply.

    Encouraging people to skip the bug is encouraging them to eventually get this bug--with a decent chance of impaired health from it down the road.

    Replies: @sideshow_bob, @V. K. Ovelund, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Adam Smith, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Realist

    The vax uses the same spike protein–stabilized–to induce immunity, but avoids actually having this nasty bug which attacks the vascular system. A year’s worth of data on it and it beats the hell outta getting the bug.

    This is called a “no brainer”.

    Agreed…people that fall for the Covid pandemic sham are no-brainers.

    • LOL: Rumpelstiltskin
  121. @Rumpelstiltskin
    @anon

    You're right, and I apologize, Nebulafox. I got a bit fired up over AnotherDad and Twinkie's ignorant comments.

    I agree with most of the thrust of what both anon[216] and Nebulafox say.

    Where I differ is that I'm skeptical of the attempt to deny the existence of an autism problem that has gotten a lot of play over the years, mostly by saying that it's all due to re-definition and increased detection of a condition that was always with us. Olmstead and Blaxill wrote a book on this topic called 'Denial', and Handley also addressed it effectively in his book. It seems changes in definition and detection explain no more than 20%-25% of the explosion in cases.

    What I would like to find out is: if, say, the 1 in 36 on the 'spectrum' stat is more or less right, how many are 'high functioning' versus how many are non-verbal, self-harming, etc. What portion have no prospect of ever living independently?

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin, @dfordoom

    I did some searching and came up with a couple of interesting data points.

    At this site: https://medalerthelp.org/blog/autism-statistics/
    it says (point #3) that: “Around 40% of autistic children do not speak,” and
    (point #23) that, “61% of autistic children present with minimal or no functional speech.”

    I prefer more formal sources for these kinds of statistics, but it’s a start.

    I also noticed that Handley has a blog, and it had a very nice story to tell that offers a fascinating counterpoint to the above stats:

    https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/underestimated

  122. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Doing the Lord's work there, son.

    Have you heard about Pfizer's mooted antiviral? How much do you want to bet it's just ivermectin under another name? (and at a much higher price...)

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin

    “A pill that can be ingested orally at home to combat Covid-19 when illness is first detected could be available to the public by the end of 2021”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/04/27/pfizer-ceo-says-antiviral-pill-to-treat-covid-could-be-ready-by-end-of-the-year/?sh=187d8dd72a0d

    LOL. Sounds like you’ve got it about right.

    They’d reinvent the wheel and patent it if they could.

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Probably though their new ivermectin would be just chemically distinct enough to evade copyright and cause horrible side-effects


    fizer announced late last month they had begun Phase 1 clinical trials of the drug, called PF-07321332. Its effectiveness is due to protease inhibitors in the drug that bind to viral enzymes, preventing viruses from replicating in the cell.
     
    Seriously, does anyone know if that's the same mechanism by which ivermectin or some other off-brand drug works against COVID?
  123. @nebulafox
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Personal experience. And not just that. A *lot* of people my age are diagnosed with some mental health issue or another largely because of a society that incentivizes labeling people as that (and in truth, incentivizes lying in general) over actually addressing problems, because that-of course-means somebody might be at fault, somewhere.

    I can't go back and change what I regret. I can make sure to raise my sons to be better young men than I was, if I'm so lucky.

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin, @dfordoom

    Good points. I think Jon Rappoport is good on this stuff, for example. The USA, at least, is hugely over-diagnosed and over-drugged.

    Some things take time, as we correct our own errors, but I believe that, with focus and perserverance, what you want and reality will come into alignment and you’ll achieve it.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    It's OK. Unlike most Internet losers, I try to be open about stuff I don't know and the limits of what I do, for what it is worth.

    I've got to be honest: I'm beginning to lose hope that it is going to happen, like I'm damaged beyond repair and I've missed the boat on correction, catching up. I'm not saying this to solicit sympathy: I've got no one to blame but myself. Doesn't make things or my future less bleak, and every day that passes is one more day without anything but the past-a past of one unmitigated failure after another, with no positive youthful memories to counterbalance it-to greet me when I get up or go to sleep.

    But you can't quit... and I won't.

  124. @John Johnson
    @Rich

    Hospitalizations dropped for all groups.

    Hospitalizations have increased for non-vaccinated groups
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-19-hospitalizations-up-among-younger-age-groups/ar-BB1fb29U

    Time to pull your head out of the sand. The vaccine is working.

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew, @Rumpelstiltskin

    If you actually parse the language in that article, it does not say what you say, it just leaves it to you to infer it. Once you become attuned to this kind of innuendo you’ll see it constantly. Last year we were hearing about a rise in Kawasaki syndrome in children. Bogus. The corporate mass media at work.

    Arguing the other direction,

    Dr. Harvey Risch: 60% of New Covid Patients Have Been Vaccinated
    https://rumble.com/vftpdz-dr.-harvey-risch-60-of-new-covid-patients-have-been-vaccinated.html

    Both these sources are anecdotal, though I trust Risch more than MSN-com. More definitive info is needed.

  125. @Rumpelstiltskin
    @nebulafox

    Good points. I think Jon Rappoport is good on this stuff, for example. The USA, at least, is hugely over-diagnosed and over-drugged.

    Some things take time, as we correct our own errors, but I believe that, with focus and perserverance, what you want and reality will come into alignment and you'll achieve it.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    It’s OK. Unlike most Internet losers, I try to be open about stuff I don’t know and the limits of what I do, for what it is worth.

    I’ve got to be honest: I’m beginning to lose hope that it is going to happen, like I’m damaged beyond repair and I’ve missed the boat on correction, catching up. I’m not saying this to solicit sympathy: I’ve got no one to blame but myself. Doesn’t make things or my future less bleak, and every day that passes is one more day without anything but the past-a past of one unmitigated failure after another, with no positive youthful memories to counterbalance it-to greet me when I get up or go to sleep.

    But you can’t quit… and I won’t.

  126. @Rumpelstiltskin
    @anon

    You're right, and I apologize, Nebulafox. I got a bit fired up over AnotherDad and Twinkie's ignorant comments.

    I agree with most of the thrust of what both anon[216] and Nebulafox say.

    Where I differ is that I'm skeptical of the attempt to deny the existence of an autism problem that has gotten a lot of play over the years, mostly by saying that it's all due to re-definition and increased detection of a condition that was always with us. Olmstead and Blaxill wrote a book on this topic called 'Denial', and Handley also addressed it effectively in his book. It seems changes in definition and detection explain no more than 20%-25% of the explosion in cases.

    What I would like to find out is: if, say, the 1 in 36 on the 'spectrum' stat is more or less right, how many are 'high functioning' versus how many are non-verbal, self-harming, etc. What portion have no prospect of ever living independently?

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin, @dfordoom

    Where I differ is that I’m skeptical of the attempt to deny the existence of an autism problem that has gotten a lot of play over the years, mostly by saying that it’s all due to re-definition and increased detection of a condition that was always with us. Olmstead and Blaxill wrote a book on this topic called ‘Denial’, and Handley also addressed it effectively in his book. It seems changes in definition and detection explain no more than 20%-25% of the explosion in cases.

    If it’s increased detection of a condition that was always with us then that obviously means that we have no idea how common the condition was in the past. Which means we have no idea how much of the increase is due to increased detection. Which means it’s possible that all of the explosion in cases could be due to increased detection.

    The other problem with conditions like autism and ADHD (and indeed many mental illnesses) is that diagnosis is pretty much entirely subjective.

    There’s also the problem that certain mental illnesses become fashionable. People want to be diagnosed with those conditions and they want their kids to be diagnosed with them. They are likely to keep trying different doctors until they get the diagnosis they want.

  127. @nebulafox
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    Personal experience. And not just that. A *lot* of people my age are diagnosed with some mental health issue or another largely because of a society that incentivizes labeling people as that (and in truth, incentivizes lying in general) over actually addressing problems, because that-of course-means somebody might be at fault, somewhere.

    I can't go back and change what I regret. I can make sure to raise my sons to be better young men than I was, if I'm so lucky.

    Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin, @dfordoom

    A *lot* of people my age are diagnosed with some mental health issue or another largely because of a society that incentivizes labeling people as that (and in truth, incentivizes lying in general) over actually addressing problems, because that-of course-means somebody might be at fault, somewhere.

    Yep. It gets individuals off the hook, it gets parents off the hook, it gets society off the hook.

    You also have to remember that there’s a lot of money in mental illness. Money for doctors, money for drug companies, money for mental health workers, money for schools (which often get subsidies for dealing with pupils with mental illnesses), money for bureaucrats. The more people who get diagnosed, the more money there is for the mental health industry.

  128. @nebulafox
    @dfordoom

    I think vaccination == immediate end of lockdown measures is not an unreasonable demand, not least because our ruling class has basically demonstrated that they can't be trusted with any good faith whatsoever. You give them an inch on perpetual lockdowns despite vaccination, they'll take it, and gaslight the hell out of you along the way. And not just in America, either.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I think vaccination == immediate end of lockdown measures is not an unreasonable demand

    I agree.

    The problem is that vaccination is only an effective strategy if most people get vaccinated. If a huge segment of the population refuses to get vaccinated then governments will use that as an excuse to continue the lockdowns and mask-wearing. They will argue (with some justification) that there are some people who cannot get vaccinated for health reasons and that those people are at risk if there’s a low level of compliance with vaccination. They will argue (with some justification) that those who refuse to get vaccinated are putting those who cannot get vaccinated at risk.

    So right-wingers who refuse to get vaccinated are making it less likely that the lockdowns will end. And then they will complain bitterly when the lockdowns continue.

    Right-wingers cannot have it both ways. They cannot logically oppose both vaccination and lockdowns. But many of them do just that.

  129. @Anonymous Jew
    From the perspective of moral psychology (see Jonathan Haidt’s work) it’s usually easy to understand the left-right division on any issue. For example, the left-right approach to the lockdowns is clearly driven by the way the different sides think about the ‘trolly problem’ (which I believe can be tied to moral foundation theory, but I digress). However I’m at a loss to explain the vaccine divide. Perhaps it’s just tribalism, especially since Republicans and Democrats were pretty close on this issue before the election. But when the Democrats won the vaccine became part of the Democrat’s ideology and power.

    I’m actually getting my first vaccine shot tomorrow, but not for the typical reasons. Regarding risks, I’m early 40s, lean, very fit, type O blood and have one CCR5-delta 32 mutation. Statistically, I could make a strong argument that I’m much more likely to die in a traffic accident than from COVID. However, I live in a trendy White neighborhood (2% Black!) in a big blue city where everyone literally wears masks when they’re alone in the park playing fetch with their dog. Today I noticed almost everyone puts on their mask BEFORE they get out of their car and they only remove it after they get back in!

    My vaccine is my argument to never where a mask in any social setting (only when required at the grocery store etc). Two weeks after my second shot I’m done. That’s it. F-ck you libtards. I’m simply going to refuse, and will refuse any social event requiring a mask. FWIW I have a long history of being stubborn and not bowing to social pressure.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    the left-right approach to the lockdowns is clearly driven by the way the different sides think about the ‘trolly problem’

    Like if a crazy homeless person clams to be the King of Trolley Safety and demands the conductor switch tracks and crash so they don’t run over two men laying on the tracks, but no one else can see them.

    Conservatives say they don’t see anyone on the tracks and the homeless man has no authority to command the trolley and if they switch tracks the trolley will crash, injuring all the passengers.

    Liberals say: “look at these stastistics. It’s a fact thousands have died on crashes on the streets, and the King of Trolley Safety says they probably could have involved Trolleys.”

  130. @Twinkie
    @Realist


    Don’t forget to wear a mask.
     
    We will, except when eating.

    Replies: @Realist, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @dfordoom

    Don’t forget to wear a mask.

    We will, except when eating.

    Can I ask a question? It’s a serious question, I’m not trying to pick a fight. If you’ve been vaccinated why would you wear a mask?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @dfordoom

    Because the gym is keeping me sane, and I can't go without one. (I'm not particularly anti-mask, but even Singapore doesn't force you to wear one in a gym doing deadlifts or shooting hoops: that's just silly.) I also can't buy groceries without one. Where I am, a lot is still closed, from libraries to BJJ institutes.

    I suppose people who have enough capital to risk annoying people and sparking a widespread movement to put the governor under the pressure of the masses also have enough money to just move to a different state.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  131. @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    "A pill that can be ingested orally at home to combat Covid-19 when illness is first detected could be available to the public by the end of 2021"

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/04/27/pfizer-ceo-says-antiviral-pill-to-treat-covid-could-be-ready-by-end-of-the-year/?sh=187d8dd72a0d

    LOL. Sounds like you've got it about right.

    They'd reinvent the wheel and patent it if they could.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Probably though their new ivermectin would be just chemically distinct enough to evade copyright and cause horrible side-effects

    fizer announced late last month they had begun Phase 1 clinical trials of the drug, called PF-07321332. Its effectiveness is due to protease inhibitors in the drug that bind to viral enzymes, preventing viruses from replicating in the cell.

    Seriously, does anyone know if that’s the same mechanism by which ivermectin or some other off-brand drug works against COVID?

  132. @dfordoom
    @Twinkie



    Don’t forget to wear a mask.
     
    We will, except when eating.
     
    Can I ask a question? It's a serious question, I'm not trying to pick a fight. If you've been vaccinated why would you wear a mask?

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Because the gym is keeping me sane, and I can’t go without one. (I’m not particularly anti-mask, but even Singapore doesn’t force you to wear one in a gym doing deadlifts or shooting hoops: that’s just silly.) I also can’t buy groceries without one. Where I am, a lot is still closed, from libraries to BJJ institutes.

    I suppose people who have enough capital to risk annoying people and sparking a widespread movement to put the governor under the pressure of the masses also have enough money to just move to a different state.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    Because the gym is keeping me sane, and I can’t go without one. (I’m not particularly anti-mask, but even Singapore doesn’t force you to wear one in a gym doing deadlifts or shooting hoops: that’s just silly.) I also can’t buy groceries without one. Where I am, a lot is still closed, from libraries to BJJ institutes.
     
    I understand that but what I was wondering was why Twinkie was still wearing a mask if he's vaccinated.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  133. @nebulafox
    @dfordoom

    Because the gym is keeping me sane, and I can't go without one. (I'm not particularly anti-mask, but even Singapore doesn't force you to wear one in a gym doing deadlifts or shooting hoops: that's just silly.) I also can't buy groceries without one. Where I am, a lot is still closed, from libraries to BJJ institutes.

    I suppose people who have enough capital to risk annoying people and sparking a widespread movement to put the governor under the pressure of the masses also have enough money to just move to a different state.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Because the gym is keeping me sane, and I can’t go without one. (I’m not particularly anti-mask, but even Singapore doesn’t force you to wear one in a gym doing deadlifts or shooting hoops: that’s just silly.) I also can’t buy groceries without one. Where I am, a lot is still closed, from libraries to BJJ institutes.

    I understand that but what I was wondering was why Twinkie was still wearing a mask if he’s vaccinated.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @dfordoom

    Because its still possible that I can transmit. As I learned in East Asia 40+ years ago, mask-wearing is also for others.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  134. @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    Because the gym is keeping me sane, and I can’t go without one. (I’m not particularly anti-mask, but even Singapore doesn’t force you to wear one in a gym doing deadlifts or shooting hoops: that’s just silly.) I also can’t buy groceries without one. Where I am, a lot is still closed, from libraries to BJJ institutes.
     
    I understand that but what I was wondering was why Twinkie was still wearing a mask if he's vaccinated.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Because its still possible that I can transmit. As I learned in East Asia 40+ years ago, mask-wearing is also for others.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    Because its still possible that I can transmit.
     
    So that means that even with vaccination we're still going to have mask-wearing, social distancing and lockdowns?

    And it means that getting vaccinated doesn't protect others?

    Vaccination is going to be a hard sell under those circumstances.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  135. @Twinkie
    @dfordoom

    Because its still possible that I can transmit. As I learned in East Asia 40+ years ago, mask-wearing is also for others.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Because its still possible that I can transmit.

    So that means that even with vaccination we’re still going to have mask-wearing, social distancing and lockdowns?

    And it means that getting vaccinated doesn’t protect others?

    Vaccination is going to be a hard sell under those circumstances.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @dfordoom


    So that means that even with vaccination we’re still going to have mask-wearing, social distancing and lockdowns?
     
    No, so long as most adults are vaccinated, we should be able to end all that. We haven’t reached that point yet, so I’m voluntarily wearing a mask in confined spaces with re-circulated air.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  136. @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    Because its still possible that I can transmit.
     
    So that means that even with vaccination we're still going to have mask-wearing, social distancing and lockdowns?

    And it means that getting vaccinated doesn't protect others?

    Vaccination is going to be a hard sell under those circumstances.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    So that means that even with vaccination we’re still going to have mask-wearing, social distancing and lockdowns?

    No, so long as most adults are vaccinated, we should be able to end all that. We haven’t reached that point yet, so I’m voluntarily wearing a mask in confined spaces with re-circulated air.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    No, so long as most adults are vaccinated, we should be able to end all that. We haven’t reached that point yet, so I’m voluntarily wearing a mask in confined spaces with re-circulated air.
     
    That's good, but I am very concerned by the idea that if you're vaccinated you can still spread the virus.
  137. @Twinkie
    @dfordoom


    So that means that even with vaccination we’re still going to have mask-wearing, social distancing and lockdowns?
     
    No, so long as most adults are vaccinated, we should be able to end all that. We haven’t reached that point yet, so I’m voluntarily wearing a mask in confined spaces with re-circulated air.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    No, so long as most adults are vaccinated, we should be able to end all that. We haven’t reached that point yet, so I’m voluntarily wearing a mask in confined spaces with re-circulated air.

    That’s good, but I am very concerned by the idea that if you’re vaccinated you can still spread the virus.

  138. @Catdog
    What happened to blaxx not wanting the vaxx?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Good question, because the initial black hesitancy is gone.

  139. @dfordoom
    @Anonymous Jew


    Better yet, the vaccine is all we really have. That or spending your whole life in lockdown hell. It gives you the opportunity to say: “I took the vaccine, it’s all we’ve got (because of the open borders you espouse) so it’s time to end the lockdown and end mask wearing”.
     
    It really is bizarre to encounter rightists who don't want lockdowns and don't want to wear masks but they also don't want to get the vaccine. So what the hell do they want?

    They seem to be just indulging in knee-jerk reactions against all these things because they see all these things as communist plots. Or plots to genocide whites.

    And then they wonder why people think rightists are selfish, stupid and crazy.

    Replies: @Rich, @JR Ewing, @nebulafox, @Audacious Epigone

    More charitably they are skeptical that a system that consistently evidences that it wants nothing other than to grind them into dirt suddenly has their best interests at heart in this one particular case.

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