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Nearly a year ago, this audacious fool wrote:

To reiterate for the hundredth time, Kamala Harris will be the Democrat nominee.

The Harris Hawk is a majestic bird. There’s nothing majestic about the Harris Crow, though–and it tastes terrible.

That said, the path I predicted Harris would follow to victory has not proven impassable. It remains open, but it turns out Biden is going to be the one walking down it instead Harris.

Why couldn’t she secure black support? Brahmin mother, affluent mulatto father, even more affluent Jewish husband, Attorney General in the state with the largest prison population in the country, just to name a few.

Still, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed woman is queen. The Democrat field is quite white. To win the nomination in 2008, Obama only had to be darker than Hillary Clinton, not Bobby Rush. Harris’ POC credentials may not match up to Stacey Abrams, but they’re better than Elizabeth Warren’s!

So why the ill-fated prediction? My thinking about the skinsuit game was way too simplistic. Blacks obviously didn’t vote for Ben Carson, and they’re not going to vote for a silver-spooned wannabe quadroon just because she expects them to.

Maybe if Biden wasn’t in the race, she’d have been the black candidate. But he’s in, so she isn’t. Having served as Obama’s loyal lieutenant for eight years, Biden has earned their support.

The fatal flaw in heralding Harris was not realizing this. It’s also the fatal flaw in the steady stream of predictions that have been made over the last several months about Biden’s impending collapse. It’s not just that blacks don’t care about his dottering gaffes or alleged political missteps in the past–it’s that they view the reactions to these things that are unfavorable to Biden as attacks on their guy and thus on themselves. Harris learned that the hard way.

After all the ridicule and abuse, Biden’s black support is as strong as ever. The subsequent graph shows average support by candidate among black Democrat primary voters from the latest SurveyUSA, Hill, and YouGov polls:

The candidates are arranged from greatest total primary voter support to least total primary voter support. We see that while Harris and Booker punch modestly above their weight among blacks, Biden towers over the entire field.

Biden’s black support has remained impervious to bad media coverage, poor debate performances, and accusations of racism. Maybe losses in lily-white Iowa and New Hampshire will find the chink in his armor, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

 
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  1. The questions abound for a Biden nomination.

    Does he have the stamina to actually campaign, and does Obama want to do the actual campaigning for him?

    Who is his running mate? Abrams? Patrick?

    The VP may end up being the de-facto President, if not the actual President. Someone in their 80s cannot be expected to wield the high powers of state.

    What if we have a vacancy post-nomination, or post election? Can the electors vote for a dead or disabled man? If the Senate is still GOP controlled, do we end up with Pence re-elected as Vice President?

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    The VP may end up being the de-facto President, if not the actual President. Someone in their 80s cannot be expected to wield the high powers of state.
     
    Trump is almost as old. There's also a good chance that if he wins you'll end up with President Pence. Whether the eventual winner is Trump, Biden, Sanders or Warren there's a good chance of the VP becoming President. That's the problem with a gerontocracy.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    He could make Obama his VP. It's a constitutional grey area, since in the event of Biden's death, Obama would assume the presidency (rather than being elected to it, which is the only thing the constitution explicitly forbids).

    Yes, it would make a mockery of the entire political system--but Biden/Obama would probably win something like 60%-40% in the popular vote and 350-185 in the electoral college.

    , @MarkinLA
    Who is his running mate? Abrams? Patrick?

    One can only hope. Obama won because people who were at best on the fence about Democrats gave Obama the nod because they thought it would end all the "YT is to blame for all my problems" crap. It turns out he made it worse so the magic negro fairy dust is all used up. NOTHING would make those same people run for the hills like Abrams as VP and potential President when Biden croaks in office.
  2. Maybe losses in lily-white Iowa and New Hampshire will find the chink in his armor, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

  3. My thinking about the skinsuit game was way too simplistic.

    As I once said Audie-San, your potential is impressive.

    Blacks obviously didn’t vote for Ben Carson, and they’re not going to vote for a silver-spooned wannabe quadroon just because she expects them to.

    Maybe if Biden wasn’t in the race, she’d have been the black candidate.

    No Sir, Kamala, is, was and always will be a white woman’s candidate.And Corey Booker is a White man’s. If Gropy-Joe were not in the race it would be Bernie Sanders. E.W. has not an ounce of charisma or likeability and is not EASILY tieable to anything. Black people like totems with charisma; Bill Clinton was the “loveable country redneck”, Barry was the “Black dude who not going to make an ass of himself like my family.” Gropy Joe is “the dumb, old white guy I work with on the dock who is funny, and eats BBQwith us once in a while”, and Bernie is “That crazy old white liberal who ain’t gon’ do shit, but it sounds good.”

    What’s Kamala’s totem? shit if I can tell. Probably, “onea them uptown mulatto heffers who thinks she’s better than us..”

    Even Lizzie is “That nice ol’ white lady who approved my benefits.” What’s

    The fatal flaw in heralding Harris was not realizing this. It’s also the fatal flaw in the steady stream of predictions that have been made over the last several months about Biden’s impending collapse. It’s not just that blacks don’t care about his dottering gaffes or alleged political missteps in the past–it’s that they view the reactions to these things that are unfavorable to Biden as attacks on their guy and thus on themselves. Harris learned that the hard way.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”

    No?

    Peace.
    , @Truth
    Funny I was kind of sleepy yesterday when I wrote this, but for the life of me I don't remember writing that last paragraph. I doesn't even sound like me.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I can't say you didn't warn me, that's for sure.
  4. I was fooled with you.

    It is so hard to take Biden seriously–if he was a family member we would be monitoring him 24-7 to make sure he takes his meds on schedule, does not randomly walk into the nearest snowbank and does not start pawing at or insulting random women and girls.

    We would also nod politely when he claimed to have met the current North Korean dictator while claiming ignorance of his son’s business deals–and we would not permit him to write any checks to the mother of his newest grand-child.

  5. None of the following three are over 50% black :

    Obama
    Harris
    Booker

    Of these three, only Booker has African American ancestry. The others have non-US black ancestry (and Obama’s father was entirely disconnected from US slavery).

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill

    President Obama’s Kenyan/Kansan heritage makes him about as authentically African American as one can be but, in some camps, his “racial bona fides” — son of an African immigrant, and a white mother who raised him in Asia and then sent him to grow up with his white grandparents in Hawaii — suggest he is not culturally “black enough.”

    Now, it turns out that Barack Obama is apparently descended from a slave – on his mother’s side.

    The genealogy Web site Ancestry.com has done research that they say confirms that Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother, is descended from a historically significant Virginia slave named John Punch. The Web site’s archival and DNA research supports the theory that descendants of Punch, one of very few Africans in early Colonial Virginia, were white landowners in Virginia and ancestors of Kansas-born Dunham — who would be a great-great-great-great–great-great-great-great-great-great grandchild of the unlucky Punch.
     

    One more reason to love Barry Dunham. 50.00000000001%
    , @Audacious Epigone
    This is why the stage is perfectly set for an eventual retconning of Obama from the first black president to the first interracial president to make room for the new first black president.
  6. But Biden stands no chance against Trump.

    Why? Well, among other things, he is TOO OLD.

    He is 8 years older than Trump was at the time of assumption of the Office. Trump was already the oldest ever, albeit by just a little bit.

    The record for ‘oldest President’ does not just take an 8 year jump.

    The one who had a better chance against Trump is Warren, because she is similar enough to Hillary that all the Hillary fervor will come out for her. They won’t for Biden.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Vis-a-vis the rest of the Democrat field, he does well in the South (obviously) and the Midwest, and he does better than the rest of the field with 2016 Trump voters. Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he'll blow Trump out.
  7. Blacks obviously didn’t vote for Ben Carson, and they’re not going to vote for a silver-spooned wannabe quadroon just because she expects them to.

    er…Nevermind the super-important detail that Carson was a Republican. Remember that blacks are Democrats first and blacks second.

    In 2006, there were three important races (OH G0v, PA Gov, MD Senate) that had a black Republican against a white Democrat. The black Republican still only got 20-22% of the black vote in each.

    • Replies: @216
    2006 was an extraordinarily bad year for the GOP.

    Steele was the closest the GOP has gotten in decades to winning one of the Senate seats in that Occupied State.

    It's quite possible he could have won the Governorship in 2010, had he not been a useless RNC Chairman.

    IIRC, Carson wasn't politically active in 2010, but had he been, he likewise would have come far closer in the Senate election the same year (incumbent Dem was a fossil, unlikely to lose)

    Two black candidates in the same state at the top of the ticket would have been quite the statement.
  8. Michelle, waiting in the wings. Quadroon had to go.

    • Agree: Brian Reilly
  9. @Thomm

    Blacks obviously didn’t vote for Ben Carson, and they’re not going to vote for a silver-spooned wannabe quadroon just because she expects them to.
     
    er...Nevermind the super-important detail that Carson was a Republican. Remember that blacks are Democrats first and blacks second.

    In 2006, there were three important races (OH G0v, PA Gov, MD Senate) that had a black Republican against a white Democrat. The black Republican still only got 20-22% of the black vote in each.

    2006 was an extraordinarily bad year for the GOP.

    Steele was the closest the GOP has gotten in decades to winning one of the Senate seats in that Occupied State.

    It’s quite possible he could have won the Governorship in 2010, had he not been a useless RNC Chairman.

    IIRC, Carson wasn’t politically active in 2010, but had he been, he likewise would have come far closer in the Senate election the same year (incumbent Dem was a fossil, unlikely to lose)

    Two black candidates in the same state at the top of the ticket would have been quite the statement.

    • Replies: @ObjectionNoted
    As our host here has pointed out, a black person can be pro-life, pro-2A, fiscally conservative, anti-LGBTQP etc. etc. and still vote Donk 90+%.
  10. @Truth

    My thinking about the skinsuit game was way too simplistic.
     
    As I once said Audie-San, your potential is impressive.

    Blacks obviously didn’t vote for Ben Carson, and they’re not going to vote for a silver-spooned wannabe quadroon just because she expects them to.
     


    Maybe if Biden wasn’t in the race, she’d have been the black candidate.
     
    No Sir, Kamala, is, was and always will be a white woman's candidate.And Corey Booker is a White man's. If Gropy-Joe were not in the race it would be Bernie Sanders. E.W. has not an ounce of charisma or likeability and is not EASILY tieable to anything. Black people like totems with charisma; Bill Clinton was the "loveable country redneck", Barry was the "Black dude who not going to make an ass of himself like my family." Gropy Joe is "the dumb, old white guy I work with on the dock who is funny, and eats BBQwith us once in a while", and Bernie is "That crazy old white liberal who ain't gon' do shit, but it sounds good."

    What's Kamala's totem? shit if I can tell. Probably, "onea them uptown mulatto heffers who thinks she's better than us.."

    Even Lizzie is "That nice ol' white lady who approved my benefits." What's




    The fatal flaw in heralding Harris was not realizing this. It’s also the fatal flaw in the steady stream of predictions that have been made over the last several months about Biden’s impending collapse. It’s not just that blacks don’t care about his dottering gaffes or alleged political missteps in the past–it’s that they view the reactions to these things that are unfavorable to Biden as attacks on their guy and thus on themselves. Harris learned that the hard way.

    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”

    No?

    Peace.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Disagree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    Literal LOL😄
    , @Ash Williams

    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”
     
    More like "The Asian guy who owns the liquor store and won't give me a discount an shot my cousin Lamarr b/c he fuckin' rayciss."

    (You clearly don't have much experience with our Black brothers & sisters, or you'd know how hilariously racist they are towards Asians)
    , @Blinky Bill
    https://i.imgur.com/mC9nFaE_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium


    I'm Andrew Yang and I approve this message.

    , @RadicalCenter
    As the late great comedian John Pinzette would have said, “You go NOW!”
    , @Truth
    One thing that whites and blacks, on the base level, have in common in this country is that they both believe that there are three races in America:

    White
    Black
    Other

    As far as Yang goes, most whites AND most blacks draw no distinction between he and Julian Castro; just some wierdo, doesn't count.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I'm not sure how to respond to this, but I'm impressed by the reactions you racked up!
  11. If Democrats were smart, they would do like they did in Argentina and put ex-president Obama as vice-president in the Biden ticket. This will guarantee black support, even if Biden has a heart attack during the campaign or during his first year. Another option is to use Michelle Obama as vice-president. Although she might not be very palatable for white people. But it is likely that Trump will win anyway, as I said before, this is all theatre. The rules are 8 years for each “party”.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @neutral

    as I said before, this is all theatre
     
    Agree with this, the US president has essentially become a ceremonial position, like the British monarchy. The reason that Trump is so hated is that he sincerely believed that the US president has a say in matters.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    And an extra helping of humiliation will come when people begin noticing that Russia essentially did the same thing with Medvedev and Putin. Biden and Obama, taking one out of the Kremlin's playbook!
    , @Reg Cæsar

    If Democrats were smart, they would do like they did in Argentina and put ex-president Obama as vice-president in the Biden ticket.
     
    If he's ineligible to be President, he's ineligible to be Vice President, according to the final sentence of the Twelfth Amendment:

    But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

    Combine that with the Twenty-second Amendment, and Barry's done.

    There may be a loophole. It depends on what the meaning of "elected" is.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/former-president-becomes-vice-president/

    Do we really want the Supreme Court weighing in on another disputed election?

    There are two other branches a retired President can serve in, as JQ Adams and Taft showed. And those two didn't face a term limit.
  12. @Talha
    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”

    No?

    Peace.

    Literal LOL😄

  13. Snarky, smarmy, catty, ill-natured, unlikeable – Hillary all over again. Perhaps if Harris had surrounded herself with campaign staff who have likability plus gravitas, and watched videos of Reagan and Kennedy and Obama all the time, she could have desnarked her personality. Also, she needed to avoid the horrendous flip-flopping reversals on policy, which made it impossible to discern or predict what she actually stood for. Aside from those minor problems…

  14. @Dumbo
    If Democrats were smart, they would do like they did in Argentina and put ex-president Obama as vice-president in the Biden ticket. This will guarantee black support, even if Biden has a heart attack during the campaign or during his first year. Another option is to use Michelle Obama as vice-president. Although she might not be very palatable for white people. But it is likely that Trump will win anyway, as I said before, this is all theatre. The rules are 8 years for each "party".

    as I said before, this is all theatre

    Agree with this, the US president has essentially become a ceremonial position, like the British monarchy. The reason that Trump is so hated is that he sincerely believed that the US president has a say in matters.

  15. @Talha
    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”

    No?

    Peace.

    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”

    More like “The Asian guy who owns the liquor store and won’t give me a discount an shot my cousin Lamarr b/c he fuckin’ rayciss.”

    (You clearly don’t have much experience with our Black brothers & sisters, or you’d know how hilariously racist they are towards Asians)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I think you and Mr. Talha are on the same page with this, Ash. Mr Yang's archetype was following Mr. Truth's brutha down the aisle because of ... shrinkage (as the corporate types like to call it).

    Anyway, that was an interesting comment from Truth.
  16. Biden may win the nomination on the strength of the black bloc, but he will not be able to jazz the black vote in the general election.

    • Agree: Brian Reilly
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Obama will campaign for him, and that will help. He's already showing his hand here, I think, with the repeated calls for Democrats to cool it on the Wokeism.
  17. Dead certain predictions based on a narrative always run aground on the shoals of reality.

    You predicted Kamala because she fit your — and the pundit class’s — idea of what “The Democrats” wanted, even though all the individual weaknesses you list for her now were present when you were dead certain.

    To use another illustrative metaphor, you missed the tree for the forest.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Indeed, and what's worse is several commenters here pointed these exact things out to me from the beginning.
  18. @Ash Williams

    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”
     
    More like "The Asian guy who owns the liquor store and won't give me a discount an shot my cousin Lamarr b/c he fuckin' rayciss."

    (You clearly don't have much experience with our Black brothers & sisters, or you'd know how hilariously racist they are towards Asians)

    I think you and Mr. Talha are on the same page with this, Ash. Mr Yang’s archetype was following Mr. Truth’s brutha down the aisle because of … shrinkage (as the corporate types like to call it).

    Anyway, that was an interesting comment from Truth.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Well yeah, but I was trying to put a positive (while obviously naive and/or sarcastic) spin on it - because that's what will attract voters. A negative association wouldn't.

    Peace.
  19. @Thomm
    None of the following three are over 50% black :

    Obama
    Harris
    Booker

    Of these three, only Booker has African American ancestry. The others have non-US black ancestry (and Obama's father was entirely disconnected from US slavery).

    President Obama’s Kenyan/Kansan heritage makes him about as authentically African American as one can be but, in some camps, his “racial bona fides” — son of an African immigrant, and a white mother who raised him in Asia and then sent him to grow up with his white grandparents in Hawaii — suggest he is not culturally “black enough.”

    Now, it turns out that Barack Obama is apparently descended from a slave – on his mother’s side.

    The genealogy Web site Ancestry.com has done research that they say confirms that Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother, is descended from a historically significant Virginia slave named John Punch. The Web site’s archival and DNA research supports the theory that descendants of Punch, one of very few Africans in early Colonial Virginia, were white landowners in Virginia and ancestors of Kansas-born Dunham — who would be a great-great-great-great–great-great-great-great-great-great grandchild of the unlucky Punch.

    One more reason to love Barry Dunham. 50.00000000001%

    • Replies: @james wilson
    Why must you assume Ann Dunham is his mother?
  20. Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the electorate so fervently that I almost think their (shared) position is scripted by Team Trump.

    The D’s (Harris no different than Buttsex, Yangzee, and Joe Befuddled) are an open signal that the people whose premises they represent cannot coexist with people like me under the same polity.

    I knew this long ago. But what the 2020 election represents is an open admission that there’s a civil war (a battle between two adversarial factions over whose team will lord over everyone) going on, that the Left has won every battle for the last 50 years (because the Right was too busy, sated or cowed to resist, much less counter-attack) and that the goal is to consolidate these victories so completely that resistance is utterly futile (your 15-year-old daughters will have pink-haired boys in the shower with them, your 9-year-olds will be taught how to perform anal sex, your guns will be confiscated such that only the cartels, the gangs, the rapists, the robbers, the murderers and the cops will have power over you, etc.)

    It’s beyond obvious to me that political conflict is reaching its terminus, after which politics will move from rhetoric and sophistry to the physical.

    People of such profoundly immiscible values should not attempt to live together. Given that Leftism is a religion, Leftists cannot countenance a peaceful divorce (for it represents allowing “sin” to go its own way and perhaps even proliferate…so rather than let the apostate “spouse” peacefully leave, they intend to beat us until we grovel for them to stop.)

    It ain’t gonna’ happen.

    Angelo Codevilla’s take on this is the correct one. The Left misconstrues its power, and has fallen into the trap of believing its own PR. Rather than persuade, it chose punishment. But it’s the 95 lb weakling who has made a game of kicking the massively larger, massively stronger guy who was just self-restrained. Self-restraint is on thin ice.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    Strong comment, Sunset. I especially like the logic of your “anti-divorce religion” analogy, which I haven’t heard before, but which answers some big questions.

    I’ve read Codevilla but in an unsystematic way. Would you mind posting a link or citation to the “self-restrained giant” analogy in your last paragraph?
    , @Charles Pewitt

    Angelo Codevilla’s take on this is the correct one. The Left misconstrues its power, and has fallen into the trap of believing its own PR. Rather than persuade, it chose punishment. But it’s the 95 lb weakling who has made a game of kicking the massively larger, massively stronger guy who was just self-restrained. Self-restraint is on thin ice.

     

    Angelo Codevilla ain't no Sam Francis and I ain't listening to him nor that guy with the cockpit charge essay.

    I like your take on monetary policy Mr DC Sunsets.

    White Core America is proposing a reforestation plan for all land within 100 miles of Swamp City DC. Most federal government buildings -- including the CIA compound -- will be deconstructed and oak forests or hickory or beech or whatever grows best in the particular area will be allowed to grow in a parkland setting. Much land had been under cultivation for centuries, but back to forest it goes.

    After the federal funds rate goes to 20 percent and the mass removal of foreigners is put in motion, that will be a good time to knock down and rubblize most of the housing that has sprung up in the last 50 years around Swamp City.

    Radical means must be used to tame and render toothless the treasonites and money-grubbers that infest Swamp City DC. Hawley and Blackburn are mumbling some nonsense of moving the Swamp City DC bureaucrats out to the hinterlands? Nonsense -- fire the bureaucrats and don't hire new ones!
    , @peterAUS
    From

    ....Every D seeking...
     
    to

    ....for them to stop.)
     
    good comment.

    Not quite sure about the rest. Too optimistic I am afraid.
    Especially about

    ....Self-restraint is on thin ice.
     
    Don't see it, apart from some talking, in private.
    , @dfordoom

    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the electorate
     
    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the Unz Review readership. How many Electoral College votes does the Unz Review readership have?

    Beware of echo chamber thinking. And wishful thinking.
    , @Brian Reilly
    dc., The powers-that-be (Globalists here and in charge in every important place in the world. Hungary and Poland are not important) want, need the machine to keep working, however fitfully and without regard to how much noise the engine makes as it begins to come apart. There is a lot more ruin in this nation before the wheels actually stop turning. Nobody wants them to stop, so they won't.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    If the mountain West wanted to leave, I don't think the left would stop them. There'd be way too much of a "now we win politics forever" temptation.
  21. @Talha
    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”

    No?

    Peace.

    I’m Andrew Yang and I approve this message.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Love it!

    Peace.
  22. @dc.sunsets
    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the electorate so fervently that I almost think their (shared) position is scripted by Team Trump.

    The D's (Harris no different than Buttsex, Yangzee, and Joe Befuddled) are an open signal that the people whose premises they represent cannot coexist with people like me under the same polity.

    I knew this long ago. But what the 2020 election represents is an open admission that there's a civil war (a battle between two adversarial factions over whose team will lord over everyone) going on, that the Left has won every battle for the last 50 years (because the Right was too busy, sated or cowed to resist, much less counter-attack) and that the goal is to consolidate these victories so completely that resistance is utterly futile (your 15-year-old daughters will have pink-haired boys in the shower with them, your 9-year-olds will be taught how to perform anal sex, your guns will be confiscated such that only the cartels, the gangs, the rapists, the robbers, the murderers and the cops will have power over you, etc.)

    It's beyond obvious to me that political conflict is reaching its terminus, after which politics will move from rhetoric and sophistry to the physical.

    People of such profoundly immiscible values should not attempt to live together. Given that Leftism is a religion, Leftists cannot countenance a peaceful divorce (for it represents allowing "sin" to go its own way and perhaps even proliferate...so rather than let the apostate "spouse" peacefully leave, they intend to beat us until we grovel for them to stop.)

    It ain't gonna' happen.

    Angelo Codevilla's take on this is the correct one. The Left misconstrues its power, and has fallen into the trap of believing its own PR. Rather than persuade, it chose punishment. But it's the 95 lb weakling who has made a game of kicking the massively larger, massively stronger guy who was just self-restrained. Self-restraint is on thin ice.

    Strong comment, Sunset. I especially like the logic of your “anti-divorce religion” analogy, which I haven’t heard before, but which answers some big questions.

    I’ve read Codevilla but in an unsystematic way. Would you mind posting a link or citation to the “self-restrained giant” analogy in your last paragraph?

  23. @Talha
    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”

    No?

    Peace.

    As the late great comedian John Pinzette would have said, “You go NOW!”

    • LOL: Talha
  24. Or maybe,

    they do exactly what most people do “all things considered” this candidate best represents my interests or myself and the country.

    Had any other candidate held the views that Pres, Trump held in 2016, it is unlikely that Nominee Trump would have been elected. The level of compromise on several other issues which this president supported were very tough. In fact, plenty of people who thought as I did were called “unchristian” and a host of other unpleasant epithets and worse for supporting his nomination.

    And have been repeatedly told, at every juncture “we told you so.”

    And while I think the matter of impeachment will still backfire the fact that I and others continue that support seems near counter intuitive.

    Because among the choices he was the best choice. I still believe that to be the case.

  25. I suggest that blacks make similar calculations.

    “Maybe if Biden wasn’t in the race, she’d have been the black candidate. But he’s in, so she isn’t. Having served as Obama’s loyal lieutenant for eight years, Biden has earned their support.”

    Given her prosecutorial record — doubtful.

  26. I read the title originally as “Cunting Kamalas”.

    Anyway, I don’t think that the problem is that she’s black, but that she’s a woman. Very few women, black, white or yellow, have the adequate charisma and leadership needed for politics. I can think of very few and most were princesses or queens of olden times.

    • Replies: @Talha
    She has NO BIOLOGICAL KIDS. This should be an immediate disqualification for any candidate running (male or female). We have too many people in places of power that have little skin in the game for the future. These people may not think naturally about the world the way normal people do, and - worse - may try to apply their natural parenting urge to everyone else's kids because they have no outlet of their own.

    Bad news, dead on arrival, return to sender, do not collect $200...

    Peace.
    , @Twodees Partain
    "Anyway, I don’t think that the problem is that she’s black, but that she’s a woman."

    I think her problem is the same as Hillary's: she's pretty roundly despised by people who know her, and that fact leaks out through her staff and as gossip by office holders. Only media voices and the fools who listen to them have any regard at all for Hillary, or for Harris.

    Both of them are obviously psychopaths, or at least, sociopaths. That's hard to hide once the media exposure of a campaign starts.
  27. Biden’s black support has remained impervious to bad media coverage, poor debate performances, and accusations of racism. Maybe losses in lily-white Iowa and New Hampshire will find the chink in his armor, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

    In this 2020 election, Iowa and New Hampshire don’t mean nothing to the people who vote in Nevada and South Carolina and all the other states — especially March 3.

    Biden’s use of the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY in combination with the GREEDY WHITE GEEZER STRATEGY should put him over the top for the 2020 Democrat Party presidential nomination.

    Biden could be the clear winner by March 3, and that date would be the start of a massive voter exodus to the Green Party. The Green Party could win the allegiance of plenty of Democrat Party voters displeased by Biden and many independents too.

    The high command of the White Core America Party has been following the action in the Democrat Party presidential primary, and the campaign results thus far have been highly pleasing. White Core America, the new political party that explicitly advances the interests of the USA’s European Christian ancestral core, will be fully prepared to rhetorically smash Trump and the Republican Party for their weakness, cowardice and whoredom to billionaire Jew donors such as Paul Singer and Shelly Adelson and Les Wexner and Norman Braman and Bernie Marcus and others.

    The White Core America Party finds it amusing that Jew billionaires and other type billionaires are trying to push pissant twat globalizers such as Marco Rubio and Josh Hawley and Tom Cotton and Teddy Cruz and other Republican Party politician whores of the worst sort. The European Christian ancestral core of the USA ain’t buying no more propaganda slop from Republican Party donor whore politicians.

    I have been deputized and put forward by the White Core America Party to challenge donor whore GOP goons Rubio, Hawley, Cotton, and Cruz to a 6 hour debate on mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and American national identity and foreign policy and tax policy and health care policy and education policy and monetary policy and multiculturalism and any other damn thing that needs to be debated.

    I shall drink 24 bottles of porter brewed in Chico, California, to make the debate more interesting. CHEERS!

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!

    NATIONALIZE THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK NOW!

    AMERICA FIRST!

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING!

  28. @dc.sunsets
    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the electorate so fervently that I almost think their (shared) position is scripted by Team Trump.

    The D's (Harris no different than Buttsex, Yangzee, and Joe Befuddled) are an open signal that the people whose premises they represent cannot coexist with people like me under the same polity.

    I knew this long ago. But what the 2020 election represents is an open admission that there's a civil war (a battle between two adversarial factions over whose team will lord over everyone) going on, that the Left has won every battle for the last 50 years (because the Right was too busy, sated or cowed to resist, much less counter-attack) and that the goal is to consolidate these victories so completely that resistance is utterly futile (your 15-year-old daughters will have pink-haired boys in the shower with them, your 9-year-olds will be taught how to perform anal sex, your guns will be confiscated such that only the cartels, the gangs, the rapists, the robbers, the murderers and the cops will have power over you, etc.)

    It's beyond obvious to me that political conflict is reaching its terminus, after which politics will move from rhetoric and sophistry to the physical.

    People of such profoundly immiscible values should not attempt to live together. Given that Leftism is a religion, Leftists cannot countenance a peaceful divorce (for it represents allowing "sin" to go its own way and perhaps even proliferate...so rather than let the apostate "spouse" peacefully leave, they intend to beat us until we grovel for them to stop.)

    It ain't gonna' happen.

    Angelo Codevilla's take on this is the correct one. The Left misconstrues its power, and has fallen into the trap of believing its own PR. Rather than persuade, it chose punishment. But it's the 95 lb weakling who has made a game of kicking the massively larger, massively stronger guy who was just self-restrained. Self-restraint is on thin ice.

    Angelo Codevilla’s take on this is the correct one. The Left misconstrues its power, and has fallen into the trap of believing its own PR. Rather than persuade, it chose punishment. But it’s the 95 lb weakling who has made a game of kicking the massively larger, massively stronger guy who was just self-restrained. Self-restraint is on thin ice.

    Angelo Codevilla ain’t no Sam Francis and I ain’t listening to him nor that guy with the cockpit charge essay.

    I like your take on monetary policy Mr DC Sunsets.

    White Core America is proposing a reforestation plan for all land within 100 miles of Swamp City DC. Most federal government buildings — including the CIA compound — will be deconstructed and oak forests or hickory or beech or whatever grows best in the particular area will be allowed to grow in a parkland setting. Much land had been under cultivation for centuries, but back to forest it goes.

    After the federal funds rate goes to 20 percent and the mass removal of foreigners is put in motion, that will be a good time to knock down and rubblize most of the housing that has sprung up in the last 50 years around Swamp City.

    Radical means must be used to tame and render toothless the treasonites and money-grubbers that infest Swamp City DC. Hawley and Blackburn are mumbling some nonsense of moving the Swamp City DC bureaucrats out to the hinterlands? Nonsense — fire the bureaucrats and don’t hire new ones!

  29. @216
    2006 was an extraordinarily bad year for the GOP.

    Steele was the closest the GOP has gotten in decades to winning one of the Senate seats in that Occupied State.

    It's quite possible he could have won the Governorship in 2010, had he not been a useless RNC Chairman.

    IIRC, Carson wasn't politically active in 2010, but had he been, he likewise would have come far closer in the Senate election the same year (incumbent Dem was a fossil, unlikely to lose)

    Two black candidates in the same state at the top of the ticket would have been quite the statement.

    As our host here has pointed out, a black person can be pro-life, pro-2A, fiscally conservative, anti-LGBTQP etc. etc. and still vote Donk 90+%.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  30. Well now, where’s Tulsi Gabbard in your graph? You, and your identity politics were wrong about Harris and you’re wrong about Biden. Trump has more support among young blacks than Biden. Show me I’m wrong.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Gabbard is polling 12th in the RCP average.
    , @RadicalCenter
    From your mouth to God’s ears, as my Grandmother would have said. But I’m skeptical. No way will even younger Africans vote more for trump or any republican, especially a non-African republican, over Biden or any conceivable Democrat (though the Dems might help trump with men generally, possibly including younger African men, by running a shrew like Warren or Hillary.)

    Polls are one thing, and actually pulling that lever in November is another. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  31. Madcap Laughs [AKA "Report Thoughtcrime"] says:

    Enrichers will never vote for Poopchute Pete or any woman. Count on it.

  32. @dc.sunsets
    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the electorate so fervently that I almost think their (shared) position is scripted by Team Trump.

    The D's (Harris no different than Buttsex, Yangzee, and Joe Befuddled) are an open signal that the people whose premises they represent cannot coexist with people like me under the same polity.

    I knew this long ago. But what the 2020 election represents is an open admission that there's a civil war (a battle between two adversarial factions over whose team will lord over everyone) going on, that the Left has won every battle for the last 50 years (because the Right was too busy, sated or cowed to resist, much less counter-attack) and that the goal is to consolidate these victories so completely that resistance is utterly futile (your 15-year-old daughters will have pink-haired boys in the shower with them, your 9-year-olds will be taught how to perform anal sex, your guns will be confiscated such that only the cartels, the gangs, the rapists, the robbers, the murderers and the cops will have power over you, etc.)

    It's beyond obvious to me that political conflict is reaching its terminus, after which politics will move from rhetoric and sophistry to the physical.

    People of such profoundly immiscible values should not attempt to live together. Given that Leftism is a religion, Leftists cannot countenance a peaceful divorce (for it represents allowing "sin" to go its own way and perhaps even proliferate...so rather than let the apostate "spouse" peacefully leave, they intend to beat us until we grovel for them to stop.)

    It ain't gonna' happen.

    Angelo Codevilla's take on this is the correct one. The Left misconstrues its power, and has fallen into the trap of believing its own PR. Rather than persuade, it chose punishment. But it's the 95 lb weakling who has made a game of kicking the massively larger, massively stronger guy who was just self-restrained. Self-restraint is on thin ice.

    From

    ….Every D seeking…

    to

    ….for them to stop.)

    good comment.

    Not quite sure about the rest. Too optimistic I am afraid.
    Especially about

    ….Self-restraint is on thin ice.

    Don’t see it, apart from some talking, in private.

  33. @Achmed E. Newman
    I think you and Mr. Talha are on the same page with this, Ash. Mr Yang's archetype was following Mr. Truth's brutha down the aisle because of ... shrinkage (as the corporate types like to call it).

    Anyway, that was an interesting comment from Truth.

    Well yeah, but I was trying to put a positive (while obviously naive and/or sarcastic) spin on it – because that’s what will attract voters. A negative association wouldn’t.

    Peace.

  34. @Dumbo
    I read the title originally as "Cunting Kamalas".

    Anyway, I don't think that the problem is that she's black, but that she's a woman. Very few women, black, white or yellow, have the adequate charisma and leadership needed for politics. I can think of very few and most were princesses or queens of olden times.

    She has NO BIOLOGICAL KIDS. This should be an immediate disqualification for any candidate running (male or female). We have too many people in places of power that have little skin in the game for the future. These people may not think naturally about the world the way normal people do, and – worse – may try to apply their natural parenting urge to everyone else’s kids because they have no outlet of their own.

    Bad news, dead on arrival, return to sender, do not collect $200…

    Peace.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Dumbo

    These people may not think naturally about the world the way normal people do
     
    Some "normal people" don't have kids, you know? And not always by their own choice.

    may try to apply their natural parenting urge to everyone else’s kids because they have no outlet of their own.

     

    I don't think this is such a huge problem as it's made out to be. Adolf Hitler, whom so many idolize around here, didn't have any children. Stalin had four or five. Many psychopathic dictators had kids, but they did not have any problems massacring other people's children or creating massively idiotic policies.

    The real problem is that many of those children-less leaders (Macron, etc) are really gay. Ideally, gays and women should not be political leaders.
  35. @Blinky Bill
    https://i.imgur.com/mC9nFaE_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium


    I'm Andrew Yang and I approve this message.

    Love it!

    Peace.

  36. Kamala Harris didn’t vote to drag the US military and the American Empire into the IRAQ WAR DEBACLE.

    Joe Biden voted to give George W Bush the authority to drag the US military and the American Empire into the IRAQ WAR DEBACLE.

    Millions of Democrat Party voters and independents will vote for the Green Party because they don’t want to vote for a candidate — Joe Biden — who voted to give George W Bush authority to drag the US military and the American Empire into the Iraq War debacle.

    Tweets from 2015:

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Do they care about that, though? A recent YouGov poll--the one that made the "53% of Republicans think Trump is a greater president than Lincoln"--also matched Dubya Bush and Trump up. Among Democrats, 90% said Bush was better.
  37. @Blinky Bill

    President Obama’s Kenyan/Kansan heritage makes him about as authentically African American as one can be but, in some camps, his “racial bona fides” — son of an African immigrant, and a white mother who raised him in Asia and then sent him to grow up with his white grandparents in Hawaii — suggest he is not culturally “black enough.”

    Now, it turns out that Barack Obama is apparently descended from a slave – on his mother’s side.

    The genealogy Web site Ancestry.com has done research that they say confirms that Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother, is descended from a historically significant Virginia slave named John Punch. The Web site’s archival and DNA research supports the theory that descendants of Punch, one of very few Africans in early Colonial Virginia, were white landowners in Virginia and ancestors of Kansas-born Dunham — who would be a great-great-great-great–great-great-great-great-great-great grandchild of the unlucky Punch.
     

    One more reason to love Barry Dunham. 50.00000000001%

    Why must you assume Ann Dunham is his mother?

  38. Honestly, I never thought Creepy Joe had a shot.

    I would have expelled him from the party 30 years ago, due to plagiarism. When he was made VP, I thought it was because he was a loser candidate who Obama knew would make a good lickspittle.

    Then I saw the clips of him touching kids. Even removing any sexual context, there’s something fundamentally disturbing about a politician who has no concept of personal space, especially around someone else’s kids.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Octopus Arms Biden is a nasty girl-grabber and woman-handler who steals his way into the personal space of females of all types.

    Joe Biden Is A Sicko!

    Attention Joe Biden:

    Joe Biden, You have a wife. If you've behaved yourself and she wants to be given the Biden Octopus Arms treatment, then by all means, JOE, do so, but leave the other ladies the Hell alone, DAMMIT!

    Millions of men and women who are repulsed by Joe Biden's GRABBY and TOUCHY female fondling behaviour in regards to women will vote for the Green Party.

    Joe Biden is gonna run across a father or brother or uncle or some honorable man who defends the honor and personal space of his women folk and then Joe Biden will regret his GRABBY approach to females!

    Tweets from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/639809011949379584?s=20

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/569930515706310656?s=20
  39. Kamala Harris hasn’t been known as a fanatic extremist free trader globalizer neoliberal as Joe Biden has.

    Joe Biden pushed the job-killing, sovereignty-sapping Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam.

    Joe Biden was screaming bloody murder about how great the North American Free Trade Agreement would be. In fact, Joe Biden is a damn liar who knew damn well that NAFTA was a nation-wrecking attack on American workers and American sovereignty. Joe Biden sided with billionaires and huge global corporations against American workers and American sovereignty by pushing NAFTA.

    Joe Biden voted for the plutocrat billionaire fat cat trade deal pact called NAFTA.

    Millions of Democrat Party voters and independent voters will say bye-bye to Free Trade Biden and his support for anti-worker trade deal scams and they will vote for the Green Party.

    Millions of Whites will see the voters flee the Democrat Party and they will decide that they will vote for and support the new political party called the White Core American Party.

    Trump and the politician whores in the Republican Party are completely and totally controlled by Jew billionaires such as Shelly Adelson and Paul Singer and Bernie Marcus and Les Wexner and Norman Braman and Seth Klarman and others.

    White Core America will explicitly advance the interests of Whites as Whites.

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!

    NATIONALIZE THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK NOW!

    Tweets from 2014 and 2015:

  40. @Talha
    She has NO BIOLOGICAL KIDS. This should be an immediate disqualification for any candidate running (male or female). We have too many people in places of power that have little skin in the game for the future. These people may not think naturally about the world the way normal people do, and - worse - may try to apply their natural parenting urge to everyone else's kids because they have no outlet of their own.

    Bad news, dead on arrival, return to sender, do not collect $200...

    Peace.

    These people may not think naturally about the world the way normal people do

    Some “normal people” don’t have kids, you know? And not always by their own choice.

    may try to apply their natural parenting urge to everyone else’s kids because they have no outlet of their own.

    I don’t think this is such a huge problem as it’s made out to be. Adolf Hitler, whom so many idolize around here, didn’t have any children. Stalin had four or five. Many psychopathic dictators had kids, but they did not have any problems massacring other people’s children or creating massively idiotic policies.

    The real problem is that many of those children-less leaders (Macron, etc) are really gay. Ideally, gays and women should not be political leaders.

    • Replies: @Talha

    Some “normal people” don’t have kids, you know?
     
    Sure, but those kinds going into politics at high levels don't seem to be a good mix.

    Adolf Hitler, whom so many idolize around here, didn’t have any children.
     
    There you go.

    I didn't say people with kids don't have issues, but politicians without kids being put in charge of countries where demographic decline and change is one of the biggest issues...just doesn't seem to be a wise move.

    Ideally, gays and women should not be political leaders.
     
    Definitely not at top-tier positions.

    Peace.
    , @Tusk
    Hitler was a unique and driven man who was focused on his goal, no the minutae of his personal existance. Whereas Hitler being childless demonstrates devotion, Harris having no kids shows she is small minded. She will fade from history, her genes end her with her, even whatever career she has doesn't seem to have staying power except as a footnote under Willy Brown. This is the difference between the two, for as Hitler to this day is remembered, Harris will not be remembered in 20 years.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    While I understand the sentiment, it's not difficult for me to find exceptions. I'd give dictatorial powers to Pat Buchanan tomorrow if I could, and he doesn't have any children.
  41. @songbird
    Honestly, I never thought Creepy Joe had a shot.

    I would have expelled him from the party 30 years ago, due to plagiarism. When he was made VP, I thought it was because he was a loser candidate who Obama knew would make a good lickspittle.

    Then I saw the clips of him touching kids. Even removing any sexual context, there's something fundamentally disturbing about a politician who has no concept of personal space, especially around someone else's kids.

    Octopus Arms Biden is a nasty girl-grabber and woman-handler who steals his way into the personal space of females of all types.

    Joe Biden Is A Sicko!

    Attention Joe Biden:

    Joe Biden, You have a wife. If you’ve behaved yourself and she wants to be given the Biden Octopus Arms treatment, then by all means, JOE, do so, but leave the other ladies the Hell alone, DAMMIT!

    Millions of men and women who are repulsed by Joe Biden’s GRABBY and TOUCHY female fondling behaviour in regards to women will vote for the Green Party.

    Joe Biden is gonna run across a father or brother or uncle or some honorable man who defends the honor and personal space of his women folk and then Joe Biden will regret his GRABBY approach to females!

    Tweets from 2015:

  42. “Then I saw the clips of him touching kids. Even removing any sexual context, there’s something fundamentally disturbing about a politician who has no concept of personal space, especially around someone else’s kids.”

    Laughing.

    This is a new phenomenon (depending of course of how you mean touching) while I don’t support any liberal or democrat, pressing the flesh: hugging babies, shaking hand with men, giving a women a friendly gentle hug, horse pay with children was once a candidates requirement.

    The everything a man does is sex crowd have ruined even the simple time honored practice of connecting with the public, in which the public for a brief moment invites a politician into that space.

    This week I took a break from rowing. So yesterday, I went for a long walk, not unusual. I walked a path I had never gone before. And unfortunately, i ran smack into a school zone in which a bunch of elementary school kids were being released. Everything about that gauntlet sent me into alert mode, there was a time when bumping into kids and their parents would have been a pleasant experience, instead every thought was focused on avoidance any appearance of liking people, much less kids.

    It’s sad really,very sad.

    • Agree: Lot, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    I think this is more an American phenomenon than in other countries, although it may be changing in other places too.

    It would be funny if it wasn't tragic: normal, non-sexualized interactions with children are banned in the name of pedophiliac paranoia, yet the real pedophiles remain in many cases undisturbed. Vast number of pedophiles and pedo material among the elite, etc.

    Patting a kid in the head is a no-no. But drag queen story hour and pumping hormones in kids who "want to change sex", that is swell.
    , @songbird
    You think Joe is a callback? That's an interesting way of looking at it.

    Personally, I always thought the baby-kissing thing was kind of bizarre, best epitomized by that lady who tossed her baby at Bob Dole's withered arm.

    If you ask me, Joe is an extreme example of a social autism particular to pols. Being a pol requires a certain extroversion, or lack of social restraint. Perhaps, that is necessary in a leader. Whatever the case, if you are a wallflower, then you won't get elected.

    Trouble is, this super-confidence or whatever you want to call it, frequently causes pols to step over the line of good taste. Joe is the extreme example, but there are countless others. Like, Bush '43 putting his hands on Merkel's shoulders. HRC suddenly speaking in a Southern accent, or Putin grabbing a random boy and blowing on his belly button.

    Call me crazy, but I think those sort of things are bad signs. If he can't respect personal space to American norms, then it seems a cinch that he doesn't care about the Bill of Rights or the sovereignty of other countries.
  43. @Dumbo

    These people may not think naturally about the world the way normal people do
     
    Some "normal people" don't have kids, you know? And not always by their own choice.

    may try to apply their natural parenting urge to everyone else’s kids because they have no outlet of their own.

     

    I don't think this is such a huge problem as it's made out to be. Adolf Hitler, whom so many idolize around here, didn't have any children. Stalin had four or five. Many psychopathic dictators had kids, but they did not have any problems massacring other people's children or creating massively idiotic policies.

    The real problem is that many of those children-less leaders (Macron, etc) are really gay. Ideally, gays and women should not be political leaders.

    Some “normal people” don’t have kids, you know?

    Sure, but those kinds going into politics at high levels don’t seem to be a good mix.

    Adolf Hitler, whom so many idolize around here, didn’t have any children.

    There you go.

    I didn’t say people with kids don’t have issues, but politicians without kids being put in charge of countries where demographic decline and change is one of the biggest issues…just doesn’t seem to be a wise move.

    Ideally, gays and women should not be political leaders.

    Definitely not at top-tier positions.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    I think my point wasn't clear. Politicians, especially in democracies, always think only short term, so if they have children or not doesn't seem to change too much their outlook. I do agree that (at least in theory) having children makes you think more about the future, but in practice, I am not so sure if it works that way. Especially among politicians, who live in a bubble anyway, and changes affect them in a different way. If Mrs. Merkel had had children would she have acted in a different way regarding the refugee crisis? Maybe, but I don't think so.

    But maybe what is worrying about so many leaders in important positions not having children is exactly that it is an effect and not a cause - powerful, rich people usually have the choice to have children and traditionally had many, so if there are so many in the upper echelons not having them or having very few, it might mean something.

    But I still think it's mostly that there are a lot of gays in the elite (or women who privilege their career or studies over family and lose the optimal time to conceive. I can see that: rearing children takes time - and really it is not practical to work in a demanding job such as politics and take care of children at the same time).

  44. @EliteCommInc.
    "Then I saw the clips of him touching kids. Even removing any sexual context, there’s something fundamentally disturbing about a politician who has no concept of personal space, especially around someone else’s kids."


    Laughing.

    This is a new phenomenon (depending of course of how you mean touching) while I don't support any liberal or democrat, pressing the flesh: hugging babies, shaking hand with men, giving a women a friendly gentle hug, horse pay with children was once a candidates requirement.

    The everything a man does is sex crowd have ruined even the simple time honored practice of connecting with the public, in which the public for a brief moment invites a politician into that space.

    This week I took a break from rowing. So yesterday, I went for a long walk, not unusual. I walked a path I had never gone before. And unfortunately, i ran smack into a school zone in which a bunch of elementary school kids were being released. Everything about that gauntlet sent me into alert mode, there was a time when bumping into kids and their parents would have been a pleasant experience, instead every thought was focused on avoidance any appearance of liking people, much less kids.

    It's sad really,very sad.

    I think this is more an American phenomenon than in other countries, although it may be changing in other places too.

    It would be funny if it wasn’t tragic: normal, non-sexualized interactions with children are banned in the name of pedophiliac paranoia, yet the real pedophiles remain in many cases undisturbed. Vast number of pedophiles and pedo material among the elite, etc.

    Patting a kid in the head is a no-no. But drag queen story hour and pumping hormones in kids who “want to change sex”, that is swell.

  45. Biden has to get negroes to turn out in the primaries to win the nomination. That takes money, organization and enthusiasm. Biden doesn’t seem to generate much of any. The big risk to the Democrats is that the attacks on Trump come to be recognized as a campaign led by rich Jews like Steyr, Bloomberg, Soros etc. That might explain Trump’s surprising black poll numbers. If the Jews hate him maybe he isn’t such a bad guy.

  46. @Talha

    Some “normal people” don’t have kids, you know?
     
    Sure, but those kinds going into politics at high levels don't seem to be a good mix.

    Adolf Hitler, whom so many idolize around here, didn’t have any children.
     
    There you go.

    I didn't say people with kids don't have issues, but politicians without kids being put in charge of countries where demographic decline and change is one of the biggest issues...just doesn't seem to be a wise move.

    Ideally, gays and women should not be political leaders.
     
    Definitely not at top-tier positions.

    Peace.

    I think my point wasn’t clear. Politicians, especially in democracies, always think only short term, so if they have children or not doesn’t seem to change too much their outlook. I do agree that (at least in theory) having children makes you think more about the future, but in practice, I am not so sure if it works that way. Especially among politicians, who live in a bubble anyway, and changes affect them in a different way. If Mrs. Merkel had had children would she have acted in a different way regarding the refugee crisis? Maybe, but I don’t think so.

    But maybe what is worrying about so many leaders in important positions not having children is exactly that it is an effect and not a cause – powerful, rich people usually have the choice to have children and traditionally had many, so if there are so many in the upper echelons not having them or having very few, it might mean something.

    But I still think it’s mostly that there are a lot of gays in the elite (or women who privilege their career or studies over family and lose the optimal time to conceive. I can see that: rearing children takes time – and really it is not practical to work in a demanding job such as politics and take care of children at the same time).

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "If Mrs. Merkel had had children would she have acted in a different way regarding the refugee crisis?"


    If she had kids maybe she'd have thought about their future rather than the futures of self-selected foreign lawbreakers, nearly all men who chose to leave their women and children behind in (ostensible) danger.

    Doesn't always apply though. Tony Blair has kids and he did more damage to the UK than any prime minister in history. The UK is vanishing in front of my eyes.

  47. @EliteCommInc.
    "Then I saw the clips of him touching kids. Even removing any sexual context, there’s something fundamentally disturbing about a politician who has no concept of personal space, especially around someone else’s kids."


    Laughing.

    This is a new phenomenon (depending of course of how you mean touching) while I don't support any liberal or democrat, pressing the flesh: hugging babies, shaking hand with men, giving a women a friendly gentle hug, horse pay with children was once a candidates requirement.

    The everything a man does is sex crowd have ruined even the simple time honored practice of connecting with the public, in which the public for a brief moment invites a politician into that space.

    This week I took a break from rowing. So yesterday, I went for a long walk, not unusual. I walked a path I had never gone before. And unfortunately, i ran smack into a school zone in which a bunch of elementary school kids were being released. Everything about that gauntlet sent me into alert mode, there was a time when bumping into kids and their parents would have been a pleasant experience, instead every thought was focused on avoidance any appearance of liking people, much less kids.

    It's sad really,very sad.

    You think Joe is a callback? That’s an interesting way of looking at it.

    Personally, I always thought the baby-kissing thing was kind of bizarre, best epitomized by that lady who tossed her baby at Bob Dole’s withered arm.

    If you ask me, Joe is an extreme example of a social autism particular to pols. Being a pol requires a certain extroversion, or lack of social restraint. Perhaps, that is necessary in a leader. Whatever the case, if you are a wallflower, then you won’t get elected.

    Trouble is, this super-confidence or whatever you want to call it, frequently causes pols to step over the line of good taste. Joe is the extreme example, but there are countless others. Like, Bush ’43 putting his hands on Merkel’s shoulders. HRC suddenly speaking in a Southern accent, or Putin grabbing a random boy and blowing on his belly button.

    Call me crazy, but I think those sort of things are bad signs. If he can’t respect personal space to American norms, then it seems a cinch that he doesn’t care about the Bill of Rights or the sovereignty of other countries.

  48. she couldn’t get the african votes away from Biden. that’s pretty much it. but we weren’t wrong about that being the determining factor. Biden has the african votes, so he has the nomination, as long as he can keep them.

    we underestimated how unlikable she is. fair enough since we had little exposure to her at the national level. it is a popularity contest after all.

  49. @Truth

    My thinking about the skinsuit game was way too simplistic.
     
    As I once said Audie-San, your potential is impressive.

    Blacks obviously didn’t vote for Ben Carson, and they’re not going to vote for a silver-spooned wannabe quadroon just because she expects them to.
     


    Maybe if Biden wasn’t in the race, she’d have been the black candidate.
     
    No Sir, Kamala, is, was and always will be a white woman's candidate.And Corey Booker is a White man's. If Gropy-Joe were not in the race it would be Bernie Sanders. E.W. has not an ounce of charisma or likeability and is not EASILY tieable to anything. Black people like totems with charisma; Bill Clinton was the "loveable country redneck", Barry was the "Black dude who not going to make an ass of himself like my family." Gropy Joe is "the dumb, old white guy I work with on the dock who is funny, and eats BBQwith us once in a while", and Bernie is "That crazy old white liberal who ain't gon' do shit, but it sounds good."

    What's Kamala's totem? shit if I can tell. Probably, "onea them uptown mulatto heffers who thinks she's better than us.."

    Even Lizzie is "That nice ol' white lady who approved my benefits." What's




    The fatal flaw in heralding Harris was not realizing this. It’s also the fatal flaw in the steady stream of predictions that have been made over the last several months about Biden’s impending collapse. It’s not just that blacks don’t care about his dottering gaffes or alleged political missteps in the past–it’s that they view the reactions to these things that are unfavorable to Biden as attacks on their guy and thus on themselves. Harris learned that the hard way.

    Funny I was kind of sleepy yesterday when I wrote this, but for the life of me I don’t remember writing that last paragraph. I doesn’t even sound like me.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Truff, that was a paragraph in AE's post.

    We just thought that you meant to highlight it.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    It doesn’t even sound like me.
     
    It was rather clear, wasn't it?
  50. @Talha
    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”

    No?

    Peace.

    One thing that whites and blacks, on the base level, have in common in this country is that they both believe that there are three races in America:

    White
    Black
    Other

    As far as Yang goes, most whites AND most blacks draw no distinction between he and Julian Castro; just some wierdo, doesn’t count.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Ok - yeah, I can see that.

    I don’t know what’s going on, but it looks like the Dems are specifically trying to lose.

    That being the case - perhaps the elites already know they are throwing the election so this round is really just about throwing random people out there to test the limits on what people will accept and support; basically it looks to be a massive experiment and tax-funded national polling on extreme left-liberal viewpoints as well as whether people would be willing to support childless candidates, childless Hindu candidates, gay candidates, and an assortment of others (as you mentioned).

    Peace.
  51. “Patting a kid in the head is a no-no. But drag queen story hour and pumping hormones in kids who “want to change sex”, that is swell.”

    Well placed.

    laughing.

    I can’t help it — that was well placed.

    laugh.

  52. @Truth
    Funny I was kind of sleepy yesterday when I wrote this, but for the life of me I don't remember writing that last paragraph. I doesn't even sound like me.

    Truff, that was a paragraph in AE’s post.

    We just thought that you meant to highlight it.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  53. Blacks will vote for Biden. Anybody else? They determine who the Dem candidate will be, apparently. In the general election who’ll vote for Biden besides blacks and some assortment of spaced-out goofs?

  54. “Call me crazy, but I think those sort of things are bad signs. If he can’t respect personal space to American norms, then it seems a cinch that he doesn’t care about the Bill of Rights or the sovereignty of other countries.”

    You are invited to note what the “American Social Norm” (expectation violation) is regarding space.

  55. @216
    The questions abound for a Biden nomination.

    Does he have the stamina to actually campaign, and does Obama want to do the actual campaigning for him?

    Who is his running mate? Abrams? Patrick?

    The VP may end up being the de-facto President, if not the actual President. Someone in their 80s cannot be expected to wield the high powers of state.

    What if we have a vacancy post-nomination, or post election? Can the electors vote for a dead or disabled man? If the Senate is still GOP controlled, do we end up with Pence re-elected as Vice President?

    The VP may end up being the de-facto President, if not the actual President. Someone in their 80s cannot be expected to wield the high powers of state.

    Trump is almost as old. There’s also a good chance that if he wins you’ll end up with President Pence. Whether the eventual winner is Trump, Biden, Sanders or Warren there’s a good chance of the VP becoming President. That’s the problem with a gerontocracy.

    • Replies: @iffen
    It's the thought that counts.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Trump would have to decline a lot in five years to be legitimately replaced on that account.
  56. @dfordoom

    The VP may end up being the de-facto President, if not the actual President. Someone in their 80s cannot be expected to wield the high powers of state.
     
    Trump is almost as old. There's also a good chance that if he wins you'll end up with President Pence. Whether the eventual winner is Trump, Biden, Sanders or Warren there's a good chance of the VP becoming President. That's the problem with a gerontocracy.

    It’s the thought that counts.

  57. @dc.sunsets
    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the electorate so fervently that I almost think their (shared) position is scripted by Team Trump.

    The D's (Harris no different than Buttsex, Yangzee, and Joe Befuddled) are an open signal that the people whose premises they represent cannot coexist with people like me under the same polity.

    I knew this long ago. But what the 2020 election represents is an open admission that there's a civil war (a battle between two adversarial factions over whose team will lord over everyone) going on, that the Left has won every battle for the last 50 years (because the Right was too busy, sated or cowed to resist, much less counter-attack) and that the goal is to consolidate these victories so completely that resistance is utterly futile (your 15-year-old daughters will have pink-haired boys in the shower with them, your 9-year-olds will be taught how to perform anal sex, your guns will be confiscated such that only the cartels, the gangs, the rapists, the robbers, the murderers and the cops will have power over you, etc.)

    It's beyond obvious to me that political conflict is reaching its terminus, after which politics will move from rhetoric and sophistry to the physical.

    People of such profoundly immiscible values should not attempt to live together. Given that Leftism is a religion, Leftists cannot countenance a peaceful divorce (for it represents allowing "sin" to go its own way and perhaps even proliferate...so rather than let the apostate "spouse" peacefully leave, they intend to beat us until we grovel for them to stop.)

    It ain't gonna' happen.

    Angelo Codevilla's take on this is the correct one. The Left misconstrues its power, and has fallen into the trap of believing its own PR. Rather than persuade, it chose punishment. But it's the 95 lb weakling who has made a game of kicking the massively larger, massively stronger guy who was just self-restrained. Self-restraint is on thin ice.

    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the electorate

    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the Unz Review readership. How many Electoral College votes does the Unz Review readership have?

    Beware of echo chamber thinking. And wishful thinking.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    Biden has black votes, but he's not diverse enough for fervent whites so he lacks that large support.
    Sanders has a lot of young voters, but not a lot of old support.
    Warren is attracting a lot of middle population Whites, but not much else.
    Buttman seems to be attracting normal whites, but what blacksor hispanics are going to accept a homosexual white?

    None of these people seem to be appealing to the key portions of the Democratic base instead all having one piece of the puzzle, this is before they go up against Trump in debates and a general election. And while VP support may soothe some of the issues, such as Biden's diversity or Sander's older votes, they still have to convince that base that with the VP they're the right person for the job. I'm not saying it isn't possible but the choice of dem candidates this year are very wacky in their own ways.
  58. @dc.sunsets
    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the electorate so fervently that I almost think their (shared) position is scripted by Team Trump.

    The D's (Harris no different than Buttsex, Yangzee, and Joe Befuddled) are an open signal that the people whose premises they represent cannot coexist with people like me under the same polity.

    I knew this long ago. But what the 2020 election represents is an open admission that there's a civil war (a battle between two adversarial factions over whose team will lord over everyone) going on, that the Left has won every battle for the last 50 years (because the Right was too busy, sated or cowed to resist, much less counter-attack) and that the goal is to consolidate these victories so completely that resistance is utterly futile (your 15-year-old daughters will have pink-haired boys in the shower with them, your 9-year-olds will be taught how to perform anal sex, your guns will be confiscated such that only the cartels, the gangs, the rapists, the robbers, the murderers and the cops will have power over you, etc.)

    It's beyond obvious to me that political conflict is reaching its terminus, after which politics will move from rhetoric and sophistry to the physical.

    People of such profoundly immiscible values should not attempt to live together. Given that Leftism is a religion, Leftists cannot countenance a peaceful divorce (for it represents allowing "sin" to go its own way and perhaps even proliferate...so rather than let the apostate "spouse" peacefully leave, they intend to beat us until we grovel for them to stop.)

    It ain't gonna' happen.

    Angelo Codevilla's take on this is the correct one. The Left misconstrues its power, and has fallen into the trap of believing its own PR. Rather than persuade, it chose punishment. But it's the 95 lb weakling who has made a game of kicking the massively larger, massively stronger guy who was just self-restrained. Self-restraint is on thin ice.

    dc., The powers-that-be (Globalists here and in charge in every important place in the world. Hungary and Poland are not important) want, need the machine to keep working, however fitfully and without regard to how much noise the engine makes as it begins to come apart. There is a lot more ruin in this nation before the wheels actually stop turning. Nobody wants them to stop, so they won’t.

  59. @216
    The questions abound for a Biden nomination.

    Does he have the stamina to actually campaign, and does Obama want to do the actual campaigning for him?

    Who is his running mate? Abrams? Patrick?

    The VP may end up being the de-facto President, if not the actual President. Someone in their 80s cannot be expected to wield the high powers of state.

    What if we have a vacancy post-nomination, or post election? Can the electors vote for a dead or disabled man? If the Senate is still GOP controlled, do we end up with Pence re-elected as Vice President?

    He could make Obama his VP. It’s a constitutional grey area, since in the event of Biden’s death, Obama would assume the presidency (rather than being elected to it, which is the only thing the constitution explicitly forbids).

    Yes, it would make a mockery of the entire political system–but Biden/Obama would probably win something like 60%-40% in the popular vote and 350-185 in the electoral college.

    • Replies: @gman
    IMO, Biden should not choose Stacey Abrams (or another establishment women/black person) as a VP.

    He already has the Black vote.

    His main weaknesses in a general election are as follows (i) lack of enthusiasm from progressive (ii) young people.

    I think someone like Elizabeth Warren or Andrew Yang would maximize his odds of beating Trump.
    , @Hibernian

    It’s a constitutional grey area, since in the event of Biden’s death, Obama would assume the presidency (rather than being elected to it, which is the only thing the constitution explicitly forbids).

     


    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves... ...shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. [Emphasis added.]
     
  60. @Dumbo

    These people may not think naturally about the world the way normal people do
     
    Some "normal people" don't have kids, you know? And not always by their own choice.

    may try to apply their natural parenting urge to everyone else’s kids because they have no outlet of their own.

     

    I don't think this is such a huge problem as it's made out to be. Adolf Hitler, whom so many idolize around here, didn't have any children. Stalin had four or five. Many psychopathic dictators had kids, but they did not have any problems massacring other people's children or creating massively idiotic policies.

    The real problem is that many of those children-less leaders (Macron, etc) are really gay. Ideally, gays and women should not be political leaders.

    Hitler was a unique and driven man who was focused on his goal, no the minutae of his personal existance. Whereas Hitler being childless demonstrates devotion, Harris having no kids shows she is small minded. She will fade from history, her genes end her with her, even whatever career she has doesn’t seem to have staying power except as a footnote under Willy Brown. This is the difference between the two, for as Hitler to this day is remembered, Harris will not be remembered in 20 years.

  61. @Truth

    My thinking about the skinsuit game was way too simplistic.
     
    As I once said Audie-San, your potential is impressive.

    Blacks obviously didn’t vote for Ben Carson, and they’re not going to vote for a silver-spooned wannabe quadroon just because she expects them to.
     


    Maybe if Biden wasn’t in the race, she’d have been the black candidate.
     
    No Sir, Kamala, is, was and always will be a white woman's candidate.And Corey Booker is a White man's. If Gropy-Joe were not in the race it would be Bernie Sanders. E.W. has not an ounce of charisma or likeability and is not EASILY tieable to anything. Black people like totems with charisma; Bill Clinton was the "loveable country redneck", Barry was the "Black dude who not going to make an ass of himself like my family." Gropy Joe is "the dumb, old white guy I work with on the dock who is funny, and eats BBQwith us once in a while", and Bernie is "That crazy old white liberal who ain't gon' do shit, but it sounds good."

    What's Kamala's totem? shit if I can tell. Probably, "onea them uptown mulatto heffers who thinks she's better than us.."

    Even Lizzie is "That nice ol' white lady who approved my benefits." What's




    The fatal flaw in heralding Harris was not realizing this. It’s also the fatal flaw in the steady stream of predictions that have been made over the last several months about Biden’s impending collapse. It’s not just that blacks don’t care about his dottering gaffes or alleged political missteps in the past–it’s that they view the reactions to these things that are unfavorable to Biden as attacks on their guy and thus on themselves. Harris learned that the hard way.

    I can’t say you didn’t warn me, that’s for sure.

  62. @Thomm
    None of the following three are over 50% black :

    Obama
    Harris
    Booker

    Of these three, only Booker has African American ancestry. The others have non-US black ancestry (and Obama's father was entirely disconnected from US slavery).

    This is why the stage is perfectly set for an eventual retconning of Obama from the first black president to the first interracial president to make room for the new first black president.

  63. @Thomm
    But Biden stands no chance against Trump.

    Why? Well, among other things, he is TOO OLD.

    He is 8 years older than Trump was at the time of assumption of the Office. Trump was already the oldest ever, albeit by just a little bit.

    The record for 'oldest President' does not just take an 8 year jump.

    The one who had a better chance against Trump is Warren, because she is similar enough to Hillary that all the Hillary fervor will come out for her. They won't for Biden.

    Vis-a-vis the rest of the Democrat field, he does well in the South (obviously) and the Midwest, and he does better than the rest of the field with 2016 Trump voters. Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he’ll blow Trump out.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he’ll blow Trump out.
     
    How can you possibly think that? He is WAY TOO OLD. He is 8 years older than Trump (who was the oldest up to that point) was at the time of entering the office. Chris Rock made devastating jokes about John McCain, who was only 72 in the 2008 election, vs. 78 for Biden.

    Why do you think Trump is unpopular? Let alone unpopular enough to lose to a 78 year old gaffe prone serial groper who even Obama did not want to back?

    , @Rosie

    Vis-a-vis the rest of the Democrat field, he does well in the South (obviously) and the Midwest, and he does better than the rest of the field with 2016 Trump voters. Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he’ll blow Trump out.
     
    All I know is this: If we're to have Biden, we're gonna have a field day.

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/05/biden-praises-jews-goes-too-far.html
    , @Anonymous
    Given your track record I find this reassuring.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he’ll blow Trump out.
     
    I feel confident that won't happen. Black Democratic primary voters may not care that Biden is a demented buffoon, but swing voters in the Midwest and Florida are going to care a lot.
  64. @Talha
    Don’t you think Yang could have a shtick?

    “The Asian guy who owns the dollar mart who likes to be very helpful by walking behind me down every aisle.”

    No?

    Peace.

    I’m not sure how to respond to this, but I’m impressed by the reactions you racked up!

  65. @dfordoom

    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the electorate
     
    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the Unz Review readership. How many Electoral College votes does the Unz Review readership have?

    Beware of echo chamber thinking. And wishful thinking.

    Biden has black votes, but he’s not diverse enough for fervent whites so he lacks that large support.
    Sanders has a lot of young voters, but not a lot of old support.
    Warren is attracting a lot of middle population Whites, but not much else.
    Buttman seems to be attracting normal whites, but what blacksor hispanics are going to accept a homosexual white?

    None of these people seem to be appealing to the key portions of the Democratic base instead all having one piece of the puzzle, this is before they go up against Trump in debates and a general election. And while VP support may soothe some of the issues, such as Biden’s diversity or Sander’s older votes, they still have to convince that base that with the VP they’re the right person for the job. I’m not saying it isn’t possible but the choice of dem candidates this year are very wacky in their own ways.

  66. @Dumbo
    If Democrats were smart, they would do like they did in Argentina and put ex-president Obama as vice-president in the Biden ticket. This will guarantee black support, even if Biden has a heart attack during the campaign or during his first year. Another option is to use Michelle Obama as vice-president. Although she might not be very palatable for white people. But it is likely that Trump will win anyway, as I said before, this is all theatre. The rules are 8 years for each "party".

    And an extra helping of humiliation will come when people begin noticing that Russia essentially did the same thing with Medvedev and Putin. Biden and Obama, taking one out of the Kremlin’s playbook!

  67. @iffen
    Biden may win the nomination on the strength of the black bloc, but he will not be able to jazz the black vote in the general election.

    Obama will campaign for him, and that will help. He’s already showing his hand here, I think, with the repeated calls for Democrats to cool it on the Wokeism.

  68. @Freesmith
    Dead certain predictions based on a narrative always run aground on the shoals of reality.

    You predicted Kamala because she fit your — and the pundit class’s — idea of what “The Democrats” wanted, even though all the individual weaknesses you list for her now were present when you were dead certain.

    To use another illustrative metaphor, you missed the tree for the forest.

    Indeed, and what’s worse is several commenters here pointed these exact things out to me from the beginning.

  69. @dc.sunsets
    Every D seeking the nomination has alienated a significant chunk of the electorate so fervently that I almost think their (shared) position is scripted by Team Trump.

    The D's (Harris no different than Buttsex, Yangzee, and Joe Befuddled) are an open signal that the people whose premises they represent cannot coexist with people like me under the same polity.

    I knew this long ago. But what the 2020 election represents is an open admission that there's a civil war (a battle between two adversarial factions over whose team will lord over everyone) going on, that the Left has won every battle for the last 50 years (because the Right was too busy, sated or cowed to resist, much less counter-attack) and that the goal is to consolidate these victories so completely that resistance is utterly futile (your 15-year-old daughters will have pink-haired boys in the shower with them, your 9-year-olds will be taught how to perform anal sex, your guns will be confiscated such that only the cartels, the gangs, the rapists, the robbers, the murderers and the cops will have power over you, etc.)

    It's beyond obvious to me that political conflict is reaching its terminus, after which politics will move from rhetoric and sophistry to the physical.

    People of such profoundly immiscible values should not attempt to live together. Given that Leftism is a religion, Leftists cannot countenance a peaceful divorce (for it represents allowing "sin" to go its own way and perhaps even proliferate...so rather than let the apostate "spouse" peacefully leave, they intend to beat us until we grovel for them to stop.)

    It ain't gonna' happen.

    Angelo Codevilla's take on this is the correct one. The Left misconstrues its power, and has fallen into the trap of believing its own PR. Rather than persuade, it chose punishment. But it's the 95 lb weakling who has made a game of kicking the massively larger, massively stronger guy who was just self-restrained. Self-restraint is on thin ice.

    If the mountain West wanted to leave, I don’t think the left would stop them. There’d be way too much of a “now we win politics forever” temptation.

    • Agree: Talha
  70. @the grand wazoo
    Well now, where's Tulsi Gabbard in your graph? You, and your identity politics were wrong about Harris and you're wrong about Biden. Trump has more support among young blacks than Biden. Show me I'm wrong.

    Gabbard is polling 12th in the RCP average.

  71. @Charles Pewitt
    Kamala Harris didn't vote to drag the US military and the American Empire into the IRAQ WAR DEBACLE.

    Joe Biden voted to give George W Bush the authority to drag the US military and the American Empire into the IRAQ WAR DEBACLE.

    Millions of Democrat Party voters and independents will vote for the Green Party because they don't want to vote for a candidate -- Joe Biden -- who voted to give George W Bush authority to drag the US military and the American Empire into the Iraq War debacle.

    Tweets from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/639147477044736000?s=20

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/639166203215413248?s=20

    Do they care about that, though? A recent YouGov poll–the one that made the “53% of Republicans think Trump is a greater president than Lincoln”–also matched Dubya Bush and Trump up. Among Democrats, 90% said Bush was better.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Do they care about that, though? A recent YouGov poll–the one that made the “53% of Republicans think Trump is a greater president than Lincoln”–also matched Dubya Bush and Trump up. Among Democrats, 90% said Bush was better.

     

    I think Warren or Sanders or Buttigieg will bring up Joe Biden's vote to give George W Bush authority to start the Iraq War and that might give millions of voters a chance to give the Green Party a look. Biden seemingly has the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY voters and the GREEDY WHITE GEEZER DEMOCRAT voters locked up, but millions of other voters will go Green Party in the general election because of Biden's support for the Iraq War debacle.

    Bernie Sanders will not pass up the chance to remind voters that Joe Biden voted for the Iraq War and that Biden voted for NAFTA and that Biden supported the job-killing, sovereignty-sapping Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam while Biden was Obama's VP. Warren or Buttigieg might ask Biden about that too, but they'll certainly pile on if Sanders goes after Biden on that.

    The 2020 election will bring Civil War II closer by fracturing the electorate and destroying the two-party tyranny wrecking the USA.

    Green Party

    Libertarian Party

    White Core America Party

    Democrat Party

    Republican Party
  72. anon[758] • Disclaimer says:

    If the mountain West wanted to leave, I don’t think the left would stop them. There’d be way too much of a “now we win politics forever” temptation.

    The “mountain west” is Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, maybe Nevada, Wyoming and Montana and Idaho. There are significant assets in those states – military and economic. The left won’t have the only vote.

    Politically each state is a microcosm of the US, with big cities like Denver or Boise typically more left wing than the smaller towns and rural areas. So suppose the Denver metro area up to the Wyoming border doesn’t want to secede, but the entire Western slope and part of the front range like Colorado Springs does want out? Something similar could happen in other states.

    The division between groups of Americans is kind of fractal, running right down to the neighborhood level. The cold civil war in the US is closer in composition to the conflict in Spain circa 1930 than the division in the US circa 1855.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting

    The division between groups of Americans is kind of fractal, running right down to the neighborhood level. The cold civil war in the US is closer in composition to the conflict in Spain circa 1930
     
    Excellent comment. To add to the chaos is that many folks have been effectively silenced by censorship in employment and even non-profits.

    Their true colors may never be seen--sorta like the border states in the Civil War. Kentucky was technically a Union state, but a lone Union soldier could get shot or knifed by the unwashed natives at any time and without warning.
    , @KR
    “... fractal …”

    Yes.

    But, states/regions/neighborhoods/families have an ethos that is increasingly honed as time passes.

    Take California, once a libertarian paradise. Population replacement and a (white) libertarian tolerance for weirdness -- as well as sheer incompetence at the top of the R party –created a state-wide ethos in which some "heritage Americans" felt comfortable, but not all. The uncomfortable left. Those who liked in that sort of ethos either stayed or found a way there. Beleaguered conservatives who remained in California have survived by barricading themselves into cultural/value microclimates.

    People naturally self-sort. They do so according to a gut-level feeling that a particular place is congenial ... they feel comfortable there ... the people there "share their outlook," etc. Yes, tax policy or other objective metrics matter, but what matters most is that ethos (I’m having a difficult time describing this).

    "I don't feel like this is my country anymore," is a plea for homogeneity, isn't it? On a more micro scale, it's a desire to trust one's family, neighbours and friends. This desire seems deeply rooted in the human psyche. In essence, being surrounded by “trustworthies” is a precondition for feeling safe. The not-so-funny stories we recently read about tense thanksgiving family gatherings is a micro-micro version of what’s happening on a larger scale. Increasingly, conservatives refuse to invite that lunatic environmentalist aunt … or avoid their tatted, blue-haired siblings. That’s the fractal, of which you speak, running through families.

    In my wee opinion, the need to feel safe is gut-level and will never go away. It’s constitutive. It’s being human. It enables survival. The desire to be safe is very, very strong and very, very motivating.

    I remember reading (here?) that people are moving house less frequently than used to be the case. Perhaps. But people still self-sort. They still try to re-make little platoons of safety and commonality. They are still trying to avoid the fractures, the tiny ones, that run through neighbourhoods and families. To word it negatively, they're getting away from people they don't trust or want to be with.

    I think, in the future, red will get redder, blue much bluer, as people shun and avoid those they cannot trust. For me, this has nothing to do with the superficial constructs that the academy foists on us. It has nothing to do with race. Gender. Ethnicity. Sexual perversions do matter, but that’s a choice some people make.

    I want to live among the “red.” I’m ashamed neither for of my desire to feel safe nor my gut-level, self-protective, instinctive need to be with people I can trust. Increasingly, I’m shunning people. Avoiding them. Keeping the people I love away from them. Avoiding their institutions. Not bothering to read their crap. Hollywood antics are foreign to me. I cut the tv plug seven years ago.

    I’m part of a family business that is hiring. You bet your butt I’m hiring only people who share my ethos. I look for the markers and hire conditionally until employees prove themselves to be “like me.”

    Sure, I’m just a data point, but I’m not alone.

  73. @Dumbo

    These people may not think naturally about the world the way normal people do
     
    Some "normal people" don't have kids, you know? And not always by their own choice.

    may try to apply their natural parenting urge to everyone else’s kids because they have no outlet of their own.

     

    I don't think this is such a huge problem as it's made out to be. Adolf Hitler, whom so many idolize around here, didn't have any children. Stalin had four or five. Many psychopathic dictators had kids, but they did not have any problems massacring other people's children or creating massively idiotic policies.

    The real problem is that many of those children-less leaders (Macron, etc) are really gay. Ideally, gays and women should not be political leaders.

    While I understand the sentiment, it’s not difficult for me to find exceptions. I’d give dictatorial powers to Pat Buchanan tomorrow if I could, and he doesn’t have any children.

  74. @dfordoom

    The VP may end up being the de-facto President, if not the actual President. Someone in their 80s cannot be expected to wield the high powers of state.
     
    Trump is almost as old. There's also a good chance that if he wins you'll end up with President Pence. Whether the eventual winner is Trump, Biden, Sanders or Warren there's a good chance of the VP becoming President. That's the problem with a gerontocracy.

    Trump would have to decline a lot in five years to be legitimately replaced on that account.

  75. I predicted last March that she would not get the nomination, although I thought she’d stick around longer than this.

    Not black enough, jew husband, no kids, no connection to slaves, prostituted herself to advance, bad track record as lawmaker/enforcer, and just not likable.

    The Machine knew they needed to spit this one out.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Indeed, you had this exactly right, all the way down to what would be 'controversial' about her and what wouldn't be.

    The proof for onlookers is here.
  76. “Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he’ll blow Trump out.”

    I don’t think so. I think even democrats see this impeachment nonsense for what it is.

    And when the VP has to face those issues regarding his son head on, I think he is going to take a hit.

    And when the republicans replay those videos of him talking about kids playing with his blonde hair . . .

    Along with a myriad of very bizarre responses to simple questions.


    There’s no doubt he is getting a boon of mileage for remain generally loyal to the previous executive. Well, mostly loyal —-

    but how that plays in the general is another matter

  77. @Audacious Epigone
    Vis-a-vis the rest of the Democrat field, he does well in the South (obviously) and the Midwest, and he does better than the rest of the field with 2016 Trump voters. Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he'll blow Trump out.

    Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he’ll blow Trump out.

    How can you possibly think that? He is WAY TOO OLD. He is 8 years older than Trump (who was the oldest up to that point) was at the time of entering the office. Chris Rock made devastating jokes about John McCain, who was only 72 in the 2008 election, vs. 78 for Biden.

    Why do you think Trump is unpopular? Let alone unpopular enough to lose to a 78 year old gaffe prone serial groper who even Obama did not want to back?

  78. @Audacious Epigone
    Vis-a-vis the rest of the Democrat field, he does well in the South (obviously) and the Midwest, and he does better than the rest of the field with 2016 Trump voters. Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he'll blow Trump out.

    Vis-a-vis the rest of the Democrat field, he does well in the South (obviously) and the Midwest, and he does better than the rest of the field with 2016 Trump voters. Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he’ll blow Trump out.

    All I know is this: If we’re to have Biden, we’re gonna have a field day.

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/05/biden-praises-jews-goes-too-far.html

  79. @Audacious Epigone
    Vis-a-vis the rest of the Democrat field, he does well in the South (obviously) and the Midwest, and he does better than the rest of the field with 2016 Trump voters. Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he'll blow Trump out.

    Given your track record I find this reassuring.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    There's no false modesty here, either. I nailed 2016 on both the Republican and Democrat sides, and about the only person who predicted Trump earlier than I did was Ann Coulter (that was why she retweeted me in the first place). I also got 2018 right.

    Honest assessment is I'm pretty good at this stuff.

    (And I'm really going to have to eat my words if Biden flops. One obvious qualifier--if Biden literally has a stroke or a heart attack or something debilitating like that, he's not going to get the nomination).
  80. @Audacious Epigone
    He could make Obama his VP. It's a constitutional grey area, since in the event of Biden's death, Obama would assume the presidency (rather than being elected to it, which is the only thing the constitution explicitly forbids).

    Yes, it would make a mockery of the entire political system--but Biden/Obama would probably win something like 60%-40% in the popular vote and 350-185 in the electoral college.

    IMO, Biden should not choose Stacey Abrams (or another establishment women/black person) as a VP.

    He already has the Black vote.

    His main weaknesses in a general election are as follows (i) lack of enthusiasm from progressive (ii) young people.

    I think someone like Elizabeth Warren or Andrew Yang would maximize his odds of beating Trump.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    "His main weaknesses in a general election are as follows (i) lack of enthusiasm from progressive (ii) young people."

    And here I was, thinking that his main weakness was his advancing senile dementia. The news media of FDR's time was able to keep most people from knowing that FDR was crippled. They don't have that much control these days.
    , @RadicalCenter
    I’ll definitely agree Abrams would be a bad choice for enough non-African voters: hideous-looking, angry, obnoxious. But would the Africans really turn out in the requisite numbers for a Chinese guy or a somewhat-shrewish lecturing white woman?

    On the other hand, might Yang, with his personality and sense of humor and relative lack of identity politics, turn off fewer moderate and nonideological white voters than almost any African veep candidate?

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Getting Obama's strong endorsement and Tulsi Gabbard as VP would win and would also permanently cut the Clintons out of the Democrat party.
  81. @Truth
    One thing that whites and blacks, on the base level, have in common in this country is that they both believe that there are three races in America:

    White
    Black
    Other

    As far as Yang goes, most whites AND most blacks draw no distinction between he and Julian Castro; just some wierdo, doesn't count.

    Ok – yeah, I can see that.

    I don’t know what’s going on, but it looks like the Dems are specifically trying to lose.

    That being the case – perhaps the elites already know they are throwing the election so this round is really just about throwing random people out there to test the limits on what people will accept and support; basically it looks to be a massive experiment and tax-funded national polling on extreme left-liberal viewpoints as well as whether people would be willing to support childless candidates, childless Hindu candidates, gay candidates, and an assortment of others (as you mentioned).

    Peace.

    • Agree: dc.sunsets
    • Replies: @Truth
    It truly is not an election, it's a Selection. The elites promote the candidate, in my opinon selected years and advance, who can provide the right mix of chaos, brainwashing, and conflict for them to advance their goals. I see no one wearing a donkey lapel pin who is going to create a more compelling TV comedy/drama than Camacho, so I fully expect him to win again, although I doubt he will complete his term.

    The eventual goal is to "kill" the proverbial rich-white-male power structure, and Camacho is the flag-bearer for this (the last), even though his "accomplishments" so far are almost carbon copies of those of his "liberal" predecessors. Ergo he must be done away with.

    You are absoulutely right about testing the limits, this is the point to Lil'-Buddi, Pocahontas, bug-eye Booker and the rest of these clowns. Like turning the heat up on a frog, slowly, the American public is being boiled slowly, to the point where it will be too anesthitized to jump out the pot.
    , @RadicalCenter
    I would admire your coreligionists if they refused to let “president” buttplug visit their countries. How much more can our presidents humiliate us? We are going to find out, it seems.

    Funny how a sodomite misfit somehow becomes “manly” in some voters’ eyes because he signed up to kill innocent people (“served” in the modern US military).
  82. @Truth
    Funny I was kind of sleepy yesterday when I wrote this, but for the life of me I don't remember writing that last paragraph. I doesn't even sound like me.

    It doesn’t even sound like me.

    It was rather clear, wasn’t it?

  83. @Dumbo
    If Democrats were smart, they would do like they did in Argentina and put ex-president Obama as vice-president in the Biden ticket. This will guarantee black support, even if Biden has a heart attack during the campaign or during his first year. Another option is to use Michelle Obama as vice-president. Although she might not be very palatable for white people. But it is likely that Trump will win anyway, as I said before, this is all theatre. The rules are 8 years for each "party".

    If Democrats were smart, they would do like they did in Argentina and put ex-president Obama as vice-president in the Biden ticket.

    If he’s ineligible to be President, he’s ineligible to be Vice President, according to the final sentence of the Twelfth Amendment:

    But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

    Combine that with the Twenty-second Amendment, and Barry’s done.

    There may be a loophole. It depends on what the meaning of “elected” is.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/former-president-becomes-vice-president/

    Do we really want the Supreme Court weighing in on another disputed election?

    There are two other branches a retired President can serve in, as JQ Adams and Taft showed. And those two didn’t face a term limit.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    It seems that Obama could at least be veep, ascend to the presidency on Biden or whoever’s death/resignation, and serve two years.

    But based on your excellent observation, Obama possibly could serve longer as president so long as he gets there through the vice-presidency rather than election.

    In any event, the Dems could just run Michelle Obama as veep and avoid the question entirely. She could be veep for two terms (or probably less if Biden or Sanders is the president) and then run for her own two terms as president. With demographics going the way they are, the time may be almost ripe for such a streak. God help us.

    Then Michelle Obama with a Mexican running mate in 2028, by which time there should be millions more Mexicans registered to vote (not just in California but in Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, Florida, even Washington State, Nebraska, Kansas) and millions more other Spanish-speaking Hispanics registered to vote.
  84. At the end of the day it’s the issues that matter. And there VP Biden is as with the democratic field wrong on the issues.

  85. @anon
    If the mountain West wanted to leave, I don’t think the left would stop them. There’d be way too much of a “now we win politics forever” temptation.

    The "mountain west" is Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, maybe Nevada, Wyoming and Montana and Idaho. There are significant assets in those states - military and economic. The left won't have the only vote.

    Politically each state is a microcosm of the US, with big cities like Denver or Boise typically more left wing than the smaller towns and rural areas. So suppose the Denver metro area up to the Wyoming border doesn't want to secede, but the entire Western slope and part of the front range like Colorado Springs does want out? Something similar could happen in other states.

    The division between groups of Americans is kind of fractal, running right down to the neighborhood level. The cold civil war in the US is closer in composition to the conflict in Spain circa 1930 than the division in the US circa 1855.

    The division between groups of Americans is kind of fractal, running right down to the neighborhood level. The cold civil war in the US is closer in composition to the conflict in Spain circa 1930

    Excellent comment. To add to the chaos is that many folks have been effectively silenced by censorship in employment and even non-profits.

    Their true colors may never be seen–sorta like the border states in the Civil War. Kentucky was technically a Union state, but a lone Union soldier could get shot or knifed by the unwashed natives at any time and without warning.

  86. @Audacious Epigone
    Do they care about that, though? A recent YouGov poll--the one that made the "53% of Republicans think Trump is a greater president than Lincoln"--also matched Dubya Bush and Trump up. Among Democrats, 90% said Bush was better.

    Do they care about that, though? A recent YouGov poll–the one that made the “53% of Republicans think Trump is a greater president than Lincoln”–also matched Dubya Bush and Trump up. Among Democrats, 90% said Bush was better.

    I think Warren or Sanders or Buttigieg will bring up Joe Biden’s vote to give George W Bush authority to start the Iraq War and that might give millions of voters a chance to give the Green Party a look. Biden seemingly has the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY voters and the GREEDY WHITE GEEZER DEMOCRAT voters locked up, but millions of other voters will go Green Party in the general election because of Biden’s support for the Iraq War debacle.

    Bernie Sanders will not pass up the chance to remind voters that Joe Biden voted for the Iraq War and that Biden voted for NAFTA and that Biden supported the job-killing, sovereignty-sapping Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam while Biden was Obama’s VP. Warren or Buttigieg might ask Biden about that too, but they’ll certainly pile on if Sanders goes after Biden on that.

    The 2020 election will bring Civil War II closer by fracturing the electorate and destroying the two-party tyranny wrecking the USA.

    Green Party

    Libertarian Party

    White Core America Party

    Democrat Party

    Republican Party

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets

    The 2020 election will bring Civil War II closer by fracturing the electorate and destroying the two-party tyranny wrecking the USA.
     
    I concur, sort of.
    The central government today is bifurcated into the Deep State (all centralized Leftists sucking a teat on the vast SOW that is the US Treasury) and elements that want to displace it (with which Trump is probably aligned.)

    Once the central government ("the state") became total (i.e., Congress and the executive alphabet soup agencies took to controlling every aspect of human life in the geography they oversee), the contest over whose preferences control those agencies turned into a war.

    For 60 years the left (centralizers) were the only soldiers in the battle. America's entire political establishment is leftist (and they're all kleptocrats, using their positions to enrich themselves, their families and their crony-campaign-contributors.)

    But these clowns misunderstand something. They cannot push their increasingly batshit crazy preferences down the throats of the rest of us.
    https://americanmind.org/essays/our-revolutions-logic/

    Corcyra’s revolution in 427 BC, the fifth year of the Peloponnesian War, is a paradigm of revolutionary logic. Thucydides tells us that the citizens’ divisions had been of the garden-variety economic kind. Its Assembly had taken an ordinary vote on an ordinary measure. But the vote’s losers, refusing to accept political defeat, brought criminal charges against their opponents’ leader. By thus criminalizing differences over public policy, by using political power to hurt their opponents, they gave the revolutionary spiral its first turn. The spiral might have stopped when the accused was acquitted. But, he, instead of letting bygones be bygones, convinced the assembly to fine those who had brought the charges. After all, they had to be taught not to do such things again. The assembly approved the fine. But the second use of political power to hurt opponents gave the revolutionary spiral its second turn. Had the original wrongdoers paid up, the problem might have ended right there. Instead, outraged, they gave it the third push, bursting into the Assembly and murdering him. That ended all private haven from political strife. Civil war spiraled into mutual destruction, until the city was well-nigh depopulated.
     

    In 1919, a member of the Russian Duma had asked: “Comrade, is this just?” Lenin famously answered: “Just? For what class?” Forty years later, in similar circumstances, Fidel Castro delivered the dime store version: “Within the revolution, everything. Against the revolution, nothing.” In 2018 our ruling class, in unison, set out to destroy all but the biological life of a political adversary. It substituted vehement assertion for truth, cast aside argument, foreclosed questions, celebrated its own deed and vowed to persist in it. Asked whether what they were doing was right, Senators Booker and Hirono answered directly—the others did so indirectly—that this was the right way to proceed with a person whose jurisprudence was so objectionable. Whether they know whose footsteps they are following matters little.
     

    In short, the “resistance” has begun to radicalize middle America. It redoubled millions of Americans’ sense of siege, their fear of unbridled rule by unaccountable powers, of being accused of “hate speech,” of normal life made impossible by Progressive socio-political demands. It confirmed the sense that Donald Trump and such as he, whatever their faults, are all that stands between themselves and having an alien way of life imposed upon them.
     

    Prior to Progressivism, the American political tradition had not been about imposing any way of life on anyone.
     
    Come 2020, we'll get another data point to see what happens when Utopians, bent on using whatever means are necessary to make those they hold in contempt be "better people," up the ante.
  87. @anon
    If the mountain West wanted to leave, I don’t think the left would stop them. There’d be way too much of a “now we win politics forever” temptation.

    The "mountain west" is Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, maybe Nevada, Wyoming and Montana and Idaho. There are significant assets in those states - military and economic. The left won't have the only vote.

    Politically each state is a microcosm of the US, with big cities like Denver or Boise typically more left wing than the smaller towns and rural areas. So suppose the Denver metro area up to the Wyoming border doesn't want to secede, but the entire Western slope and part of the front range like Colorado Springs does want out? Something similar could happen in other states.

    The division between groups of Americans is kind of fractal, running right down to the neighborhood level. The cold civil war in the US is closer in composition to the conflict in Spain circa 1930 than the division in the US circa 1855.

    “… fractal …”

    Yes.

    But, states/regions/neighborhoods/families have an ethos that is increasingly honed as time passes.

    Take California, once a libertarian paradise. Population replacement and a (white) libertarian tolerance for weirdness — as well as sheer incompetence at the top of the R party –created a state-wide ethos in which some “heritage Americans” felt comfortable, but not all. The uncomfortable left. Those who liked in that sort of ethos either stayed or found a way there. Beleaguered conservatives who remained in California have survived by barricading themselves into cultural/value microclimates.

    People naturally self-sort. They do so according to a gut-level feeling that a particular place is congenial … they feel comfortable there … the people there “share their outlook,” etc. Yes, tax policy or other objective metrics matter, but what matters most is that ethos (I’m having a difficult time describing this).

    “I don’t feel like this is my country anymore,” is a plea for homogeneity, isn’t it? On a more micro scale, it’s a desire to trust one’s family, neighbours and friends. This desire seems deeply rooted in the human psyche. In essence, being surrounded by “trustworthies” is a precondition for feeling safe. The not-so-funny stories we recently read about tense thanksgiving family gatherings is a micro-micro version of what’s happening on a larger scale. Increasingly, conservatives refuse to invite that lunatic environmentalist aunt … or avoid their tatted, blue-haired siblings. That’s the fractal, of which you speak, running through families.

    In my wee opinion, the need to feel safe is gut-level and will never go away. It’s constitutive. It’s being human. It enables survival. The desire to be safe is very, very strong and very, very motivating.

    I remember reading (here?) that people are moving house less frequently than used to be the case. Perhaps. But people still self-sort. They still try to re-make little platoons of safety and commonality. They are still trying to avoid the fractures, the tiny ones, that run through neighbourhoods and families. To word it negatively, they’re getting away from people they don’t trust or want to be with.

    I think, in the future, red will get redder, blue much bluer, as people shun and avoid those they cannot trust. For me, this has nothing to do with the superficial constructs that the academy foists on us. It has nothing to do with race. Gender. Ethnicity. Sexual perversions do matter, but that’s a choice some people make.

    I want to live among the “red.” I’m ashamed neither for of my desire to feel safe nor my gut-level, self-protective, instinctive need to be with people I can trust. Increasingly, I’m shunning people. Avoiding them. Keeping the people I love away from them. Avoiding their institutions. Not bothering to read their crap. Hollywood antics are foreign to me. I cut the tv plug seven years ago.

    I’m part of a family business that is hiring. You bet your butt I’m hiring only people who share my ethos. I look for the markers and hire conditionally until employees prove themselves to be “like me.”

    Sure, I’m just a data point, but I’m not alone.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Good comment.

    As for

    ...Sure, I’m just a data point, but I’m not alone...
     
    You are not, for sure. Hehe...already two of us of the type here.

    I could, actually, see linking of such types, by the Internet, sooner than later. Or, networking of those micro-groups you mentioned, at the city/town level.
    , @anon
    But, states/regions/neighborhoods/families have an ethos that is increasingly honed as time passes.

    If you are going to respond to me, please do the courtesy of actually reading my comment.
  88. @KR
    “... fractal …”

    Yes.

    But, states/regions/neighborhoods/families have an ethos that is increasingly honed as time passes.

    Take California, once a libertarian paradise. Population replacement and a (white) libertarian tolerance for weirdness -- as well as sheer incompetence at the top of the R party –created a state-wide ethos in which some "heritage Americans" felt comfortable, but not all. The uncomfortable left. Those who liked in that sort of ethos either stayed or found a way there. Beleaguered conservatives who remained in California have survived by barricading themselves into cultural/value microclimates.

    People naturally self-sort. They do so according to a gut-level feeling that a particular place is congenial ... they feel comfortable there ... the people there "share their outlook," etc. Yes, tax policy or other objective metrics matter, but what matters most is that ethos (I’m having a difficult time describing this).

    "I don't feel like this is my country anymore," is a plea for homogeneity, isn't it? On a more micro scale, it's a desire to trust one's family, neighbours and friends. This desire seems deeply rooted in the human psyche. In essence, being surrounded by “trustworthies” is a precondition for feeling safe. The not-so-funny stories we recently read about tense thanksgiving family gatherings is a micro-micro version of what’s happening on a larger scale. Increasingly, conservatives refuse to invite that lunatic environmentalist aunt … or avoid their tatted, blue-haired siblings. That’s the fractal, of which you speak, running through families.

    In my wee opinion, the need to feel safe is gut-level and will never go away. It’s constitutive. It’s being human. It enables survival. The desire to be safe is very, very strong and very, very motivating.

    I remember reading (here?) that people are moving house less frequently than used to be the case. Perhaps. But people still self-sort. They still try to re-make little platoons of safety and commonality. They are still trying to avoid the fractures, the tiny ones, that run through neighbourhoods and families. To word it negatively, they're getting away from people they don't trust or want to be with.

    I think, in the future, red will get redder, blue much bluer, as people shun and avoid those they cannot trust. For me, this has nothing to do with the superficial constructs that the academy foists on us. It has nothing to do with race. Gender. Ethnicity. Sexual perversions do matter, but that’s a choice some people make.

    I want to live among the “red.” I’m ashamed neither for of my desire to feel safe nor my gut-level, self-protective, instinctive need to be with people I can trust. Increasingly, I’m shunning people. Avoiding them. Keeping the people I love away from them. Avoiding their institutions. Not bothering to read their crap. Hollywood antics are foreign to me. I cut the tv plug seven years ago.

    I’m part of a family business that is hiring. You bet your butt I’m hiring only people who share my ethos. I look for the markers and hire conditionally until employees prove themselves to be “like me.”

    Sure, I’m just a data point, but I’m not alone.

    Good comment.

    As for

    …Sure, I’m just a data point, but I’m not alone…

    You are not, for sure. Hehe…already two of us of the type here.

    I could, actually, see linking of such types, by the Internet, sooner than later. Or, networking of those micro-groups you mentioned, at the city/town level.

  89. “Call me crazy, but I think those sort of things are bad signs. If he can’t respect personal space to American norms, then it seems a cinch that he doesn’t care about the Bill of Rights or the sovereignty of other countries.”

    The answer for personal intimate space, if I recall correctly is generally understood to be three feet for North Americans (US) for intimate personal or private space anything inside of that is a violation.

    In response,

    I used to be quite the youth kind of guy. In the right time, and place (which for m could be almost anywhere and anytime) i would have a blast with kids — a blast. But over time, it’s just too worrisome. Say a wrong term, look too long in the face, wrong gesture, of nonverbal . . . and granted there was a time when one could be playful even cute — no more, it’s all become suspect. I even turned down a post to work with the handicapped. So funny, that this came up, as it struck a nerve — laugh. I have plenty.

    But this week i decided to break a bit from row routine, largely because the darn thing has never worked as it is supposed to, at any rate, I took to one of my favorites, a long walk with the midpoint up to the peak of a hill several miles away. I love rain, but it stopped when I started —

    I took a root I have never taken before and gradually became aware that I was in a school zone and they were letting out. Normally a gaggle of kids would fun fare and smiles. Instead my body just went into lock down. A single man walking into a loaded block of kids and moms and busses. What should have been smiles and hellos was to escape and evade – eyes straight ahead pick the pace say nothing avoid any circumstance that would even require an excuse me —

    I am not sure what is meant by call back. Maybe VP Biden should check himself, if nothing else for his own protection. Sure it is entirely possible for to cross lines when all seems right with the world, but responding to such it seems should not require a session before the misogynist tribunal — but a simple perception check and move on. Our social arenas should not become chinese torture. This is not china — no offense to China — chinese torture is great for china and when in china it makes perfect sense to subject oneself to it.

    I love decorum, but I also appreciate our sense of nonplanned social experience where we bumb and put way forward. I am as formal as one can be. But if I am teaching, i want every tool in my bag. If I were politcking — I would want every tool in my bag. One of the things I appreciate about Pres. trump is his sense of humor or at least his attempts at humor.

    Well anyway, I am not democrat so the matter is really moot. But I like people to lose on issues, not because error in interpersonal communication regard personal space which is not the same for everyone. In experimenting this out in classes I have never come across any class in which the personal space was exactly three feet for everyone. Where what constitutes speaking to loudly or softly is the same for everyone.

    just my ramble]

    • Replies: @Talha

    Normally a gaggle of kids would fun fare and smiles. Instead my body just went into lock down. A single man walking into a loaded block of kids and moms and busses. What should have been smiles and hellos was to escape and evade – eyes straight ahead pick the pace say nothing avoid any circumstance that would even require an excuse me —
     
    I hope it's not like this everywhere you go. I assume church is more of a trusting atmosphere where people are more relaxed and friendly.

    I know that at our local mosque, I'll randomly muss the hair of somebody's kid or pat a kid on the head that seems to be particularly chubby. Sometimes I know the father, sometimes I don't, but it has never been unwelcome. Well, sometimes the kid ducks behind his dad's legs and peeks out at me, but nothing negative from the parents.

    I would assume a similar environment in your local church, no?*

    Peace.

    *Reminds me of a saying that I believe is attributed to Ottoman times:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D66-IsnUYAE95Gf.jpg

  90. @Audacious Epigone
    Vis-a-vis the rest of the Democrat field, he does well in the South (obviously) and the Midwest, and he does better than the rest of the field with 2016 Trump voters. Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he'll blow Trump out.

    Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he’ll blow Trump out.

    I feel confident that won’t happen. Black Democratic primary voters may not care that Biden is a demented buffoon, but swing voters in the Midwest and Florida are going to care a lot.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Could be. I suspect, though, that Obama will campaign strongly for him. Maybe he becomes a supreme court justice as a reward--even with a modest Republican majority in the Senate, Obama would still be confirmed.
  91. @EliteCommInc.
    "Call me crazy, but I think those sort of things are bad signs. If he can’t respect personal space to American norms, then it seems a cinch that he doesn’t care about the Bill of Rights or the sovereignty of other countries."

    The answer for personal intimate space, if I recall correctly is generally understood to be three feet for North Americans (US) for intimate personal or private space anything inside of that is a violation.

    In response,

    I used to be quite the youth kind of guy. In the right time, and place (which for m could be almost anywhere and anytime) i would have a blast with kids -- a blast. But over time, it's just too worrisome. Say a wrong term, look too long in the face, wrong gesture, of nonverbal . . . and granted there was a time when one could be playful even cute --- no more, it's all become suspect. I even turned down a post to work with the handicapped. So funny, that this came up, as it struck a nerve -- laugh. I have plenty.

    But this week i decided to break a bit from row routine, largely because the darn thing has never worked as it is supposed to, at any rate, I took to one of my favorites, a long walk with the midpoint up to the peak of a hill several miles away. I love rain, but it stopped when I started ---

    I took a root I have never taken before and gradually became aware that I was in a school zone and they were letting out. Normally a gaggle of kids would fun fare and smiles. Instead my body just went into lock down. A single man walking into a loaded block of kids and moms and busses. What should have been smiles and hellos was to escape and evade - eyes straight ahead pick the pace say nothing avoid any circumstance that would even require an excuse me --

    I am not sure what is meant by call back. Maybe VP Biden should check himself, if nothing else for his own protection. Sure it is entirely possible for to cross lines when all seems right with the world, but responding to such it seems should not require a session before the misogynist tribunal -- but a simple perception check and move on. Our social arenas should not become chinese torture. This is not china -- no offense to China -- chinese torture is great for china and when in china it makes perfect sense to subject oneself to it.

    I love decorum, but I also appreciate our sense of nonplanned social experience where we bumb and put way forward. I am as formal as one can be. But if I am teaching, i want every tool in my bag. If I were politcking --- I would want every tool in my bag. One of the things I appreciate about Pres. trump is his sense of humor or at least his attempts at humor.

    Well anyway, I am not democrat so the matter is really moot. But I like people to lose on issues, not because error in interpersonal communication regard personal space which is not the same for everyone. In experimenting this out in classes I have never come across any class in which the personal space was exactly three feet for everyone. Where what constitutes speaking to loudly or softly is the same for everyone.

    just my ramble]

    Normally a gaggle of kids would fun fare and smiles. Instead my body just went into lock down. A single man walking into a loaded block of kids and moms and busses. What should have been smiles and hellos was to escape and evade – eyes straight ahead pick the pace say nothing avoid any circumstance that would even require an excuse me —

    I hope it’s not like this everywhere you go. I assume church is more of a trusting atmosphere where people are more relaxed and friendly.

    I know that at our local mosque, I’ll randomly muss the hair of somebody’s kid or pat a kid on the head that seems to be particularly chubby. Sometimes I know the father, sometimes I don’t, but it has never been unwelcome. Well, sometimes the kid ducks behind his dad’s legs and peeks out at me, but nothing negative from the parents.

    I would assume a similar environment in your local church, no?*

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    *Reminds me of a saying that I believe is attributed to Ottoman times:

    • Replies: @iffen
    I remember a favorite saying of country Evangelical preachers back in the olden days was, "If I can't preach loud enough so that you can hear me over crying babies, I'm failing at my calling."
  92. @Talha

    Normally a gaggle of kids would fun fare and smiles. Instead my body just went into lock down. A single man walking into a loaded block of kids and moms and busses. What should have been smiles and hellos was to escape and evade – eyes straight ahead pick the pace say nothing avoid any circumstance that would even require an excuse me —
     
    I hope it's not like this everywhere you go. I assume church is more of a trusting atmosphere where people are more relaxed and friendly.

    I know that at our local mosque, I'll randomly muss the hair of somebody's kid or pat a kid on the head that seems to be particularly chubby. Sometimes I know the father, sometimes I don't, but it has never been unwelcome. Well, sometimes the kid ducks behind his dad's legs and peeks out at me, but nothing negative from the parents.

    I would assume a similar environment in your local church, no?*

    Peace.

    *Reminds me of a saying that I believe is attributed to Ottoman times:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D66-IsnUYAE95Gf.jpg

    I remember a favorite saying of country Evangelical preachers back in the olden days was, “If I can’t preach loud enough so that you can hear me over crying babies, I’m failing at my calling.”

    • Replies: @Talha
    Beautiful! Conjures up a great scene in my mind. I can even see it taking place in an old barn repurposed as a community church with young mothers nursing their red-cheeked, chubby babies away from prying eyes behind stacked hay bales and pews made of the same.

    I used to attend a mosque that used to be an old church, built in the 50's or earlier, that could easily have been modeled after a barnhouse. Ambience was great and one of the imams that used to recite was phenomenal, he could have easily competed at an international level for Qur'an recitation.

    Also, some of the older uncles carry candy in their pockets for little ones in the community.

    Church and mosque are really a great place where that inter-generational community-level interaction occurs on a regular basis. It is good for the old to be around the young and vice versa.

    Peace.

  93. @iffen
    I remember a favorite saying of country Evangelical preachers back in the olden days was, "If I can't preach loud enough so that you can hear me over crying babies, I'm failing at my calling."

    Beautiful! Conjures up a great scene in my mind. I can even see it taking place in an old barn repurposed as a community church with young mothers nursing their red-cheeked, chubby babies away from prying eyes behind stacked hay bales and pews made of the same.

    I used to attend a mosque that used to be an old church, built in the 50’s or earlier, that could easily have been modeled after a barnhouse. Ambience was great and one of the imams that used to recite was phenomenal, he could have easily competed at an international level for Qur’an recitation.

    Also, some of the older uncles carry candy in their pockets for little ones in the community.

    Church and mosque are really a great place where that inter-generational community-level interaction occurs on a regular basis. It is good for the old to be around the young and vice versa.

    Peace.

  94. “I would assume a similar environment in your local church, no?”

    I am not well established in a local congregation and it will be sometime before I make the effort to locate a pastor I trust. For me pastors are key, but I suppose if one is well rooted, one could be less concerned about such things.

    But, I will say this, I caution all males in every environment where women or kids are involved to walk with caution. Now my walk experience involved an elementary school environment which is something very different than a local congregation. So i would be careful in making that comparison. I think its a might safer among people of faith of knowns. But i didn’t know these people from Adam. And I was more than likely over reacting. But given the kinds of issues being raised amongst US youth . . .

    In my view better overly prudent is not an unwise choice.

    —————————————–

    Have a walk over at the Epstein article and note some of that commentary, it only takes one off the wall accusation to create a malestrom. I appreciate when the girl scouts, brownies and by scouts come around selling for fund raisers. But I don’t answer my door. I head to the garage where all is wide open the area is lit and I always seek out their parents and meet them — they stay out of my garage.

    Laugh. on its face it is silly.

    And if my housemate (not lover or fringe benefactor) is home, I press her to deal with it.

    Look we have grown women in classes that require trigger warnings and seething with male issues and parental issues and PTSD . . . teaching is not what it used to be. So, I suspect that a lot of the extended syllabi information are schools looking to protect themselves charges of emotional distress.

  95. @216
    The questions abound for a Biden nomination.

    Does he have the stamina to actually campaign, and does Obama want to do the actual campaigning for him?

    Who is his running mate? Abrams? Patrick?

    The VP may end up being the de-facto President, if not the actual President. Someone in their 80s cannot be expected to wield the high powers of state.

    What if we have a vacancy post-nomination, or post election? Can the electors vote for a dead or disabled man? If the Senate is still GOP controlled, do we end up with Pence re-elected as Vice President?

    Who is his running mate? Abrams? Patrick?

    One can only hope. Obama won because people who were at best on the fence about Democrats gave Obama the nod because they thought it would end all the “YT is to blame for all my problems” crap. It turns out he made it worse so the magic negro fairy dust is all used up. NOTHING would make those same people run for the hills like Abrams as VP and potential President when Biden croaks in office.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I want to believe you're correct, but especially among white leftists, I think over the intervening 12 years the desire for reconciliation between whites and non-whites has been replaced by a desire for racial vengeance against badwhites.
  96. “I assume church is more of a trusting atmosphere where people are more relaxed and friendly”

    Sidenote: The politics of my fundamentalist fellows is loaded with these pitfalls regarding politics, social meaning and children

    However, fundamentalist are high;y profamily and definitely prochildren.

    ———————————————————–

    VP Biden is a Catholic who supports killing/murdering children in the womb. Why these Catholics have not been excommunicated remains a weakness in Catholic practice.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    True. But they’d also have to defrock and excommunicate a large portion of the priesthood for buggering each other and members of the public. They’re long past maintaining any credibility on these issues.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Pelosi, John Kerry--they won't do it to any of them. The Church would sooner excommunicate a member for refusing to kiss the feet of African refugees than for supporting abortion.
  97. @Dumbo
    I read the title originally as "Cunting Kamalas".

    Anyway, I don't think that the problem is that she's black, but that she's a woman. Very few women, black, white or yellow, have the adequate charisma and leadership needed for politics. I can think of very few and most were princesses or queens of olden times.

    “Anyway, I don’t think that the problem is that she’s black, but that she’s a woman.”

    I think her problem is the same as Hillary’s: she’s pretty roundly despised by people who know her, and that fact leaks out through her staff and as gossip by office holders. Only media voices and the fools who listen to them have any regard at all for Hillary, or for Harris.

    Both of them are obviously psychopaths, or at least, sociopaths. That’s hard to hide once the media exposure of a campaign starts.

  98. @gman
    IMO, Biden should not choose Stacey Abrams (or another establishment women/black person) as a VP.

    He already has the Black vote.

    His main weaknesses in a general election are as follows (i) lack of enthusiasm from progressive (ii) young people.

    I think someone like Elizabeth Warren or Andrew Yang would maximize his odds of beating Trump.

    “His main weaknesses in a general election are as follows (i) lack of enthusiasm from progressive (ii) young people.”

    And here I was, thinking that his main weakness was his advancing senile dementia. The news media of FDR’s time was able to keep most people from knowing that FDR was crippled. They don’t have that much control these days.

  99. @KR
    “... fractal …”

    Yes.

    But, states/regions/neighborhoods/families have an ethos that is increasingly honed as time passes.

    Take California, once a libertarian paradise. Population replacement and a (white) libertarian tolerance for weirdness -- as well as sheer incompetence at the top of the R party –created a state-wide ethos in which some "heritage Americans" felt comfortable, but not all. The uncomfortable left. Those who liked in that sort of ethos either stayed or found a way there. Beleaguered conservatives who remained in California have survived by barricading themselves into cultural/value microclimates.

    People naturally self-sort. They do so according to a gut-level feeling that a particular place is congenial ... they feel comfortable there ... the people there "share their outlook," etc. Yes, tax policy or other objective metrics matter, but what matters most is that ethos (I’m having a difficult time describing this).

    "I don't feel like this is my country anymore," is a plea for homogeneity, isn't it? On a more micro scale, it's a desire to trust one's family, neighbours and friends. This desire seems deeply rooted in the human psyche. In essence, being surrounded by “trustworthies” is a precondition for feeling safe. The not-so-funny stories we recently read about tense thanksgiving family gatherings is a micro-micro version of what’s happening on a larger scale. Increasingly, conservatives refuse to invite that lunatic environmentalist aunt … or avoid their tatted, blue-haired siblings. That’s the fractal, of which you speak, running through families.

    In my wee opinion, the need to feel safe is gut-level and will never go away. It’s constitutive. It’s being human. It enables survival. The desire to be safe is very, very strong and very, very motivating.

    I remember reading (here?) that people are moving house less frequently than used to be the case. Perhaps. But people still self-sort. They still try to re-make little platoons of safety and commonality. They are still trying to avoid the fractures, the tiny ones, that run through neighbourhoods and families. To word it negatively, they're getting away from people they don't trust or want to be with.

    I think, in the future, red will get redder, blue much bluer, as people shun and avoid those they cannot trust. For me, this has nothing to do with the superficial constructs that the academy foists on us. It has nothing to do with race. Gender. Ethnicity. Sexual perversions do matter, but that’s a choice some people make.

    I want to live among the “red.” I’m ashamed neither for of my desire to feel safe nor my gut-level, self-protective, instinctive need to be with people I can trust. Increasingly, I’m shunning people. Avoiding them. Keeping the people I love away from them. Avoiding their institutions. Not bothering to read their crap. Hollywood antics are foreign to me. I cut the tv plug seven years ago.

    I’m part of a family business that is hiring. You bet your butt I’m hiring only people who share my ethos. I look for the markers and hire conditionally until employees prove themselves to be “like me.”

    Sure, I’m just a data point, but I’m not alone.

    But, states/regions/neighborhoods/families have an ethos that is increasingly honed as time passes.

    If you are going to respond to me, please do the courtesy of actually reading my comment.

  100. @Talha
    Ok - yeah, I can see that.

    I don’t know what’s going on, but it looks like the Dems are specifically trying to lose.

    That being the case - perhaps the elites already know they are throwing the election so this round is really just about throwing random people out there to test the limits on what people will accept and support; basically it looks to be a massive experiment and tax-funded national polling on extreme left-liberal viewpoints as well as whether people would be willing to support childless candidates, childless Hindu candidates, gay candidates, and an assortment of others (as you mentioned).

    Peace.

    It truly is not an election, it’s a Selection. The elites promote the candidate, in my opinon selected years and advance, who can provide the right mix of chaos, brainwashing, and conflict for them to advance their goals. I see no one wearing a donkey lapel pin who is going to create a more compelling TV comedy/drama than Camacho, so I fully expect him to win again, although I doubt he will complete his term.

    The eventual goal is to “kill” the proverbial rich-white-male power structure, and Camacho is the flag-bearer for this (the last), even though his “accomplishments” so far are almost carbon copies of those of his “liberal” predecessors. Ergo he must be done away with.

    You are absoulutely right about testing the limits, this is the point to Lil’-Buddi, Pocahontas, bug-eye Booker and the rest of these clowns. Like turning the heat up on a frog, slowly, the American public is being boiled slowly, to the point where it will be too anesthitized to jump out the pot.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Perhaps they want a republican, and a white man, in the presidency when the next big recession or depression is caused/allowed to hit. Blame republicans and implicitly or explicitly white men for the resultant suffering, and usher in a suddenly drastically more authoritarian system of surveillance, disarming of peaceful citizens, stepped-up political indoctrination and sexual perversion of children, official open borders, and racial preferences.

    Learn Russian or Polish now? Wish I could add an LOL.

  101. @Talha
    Ok - yeah, I can see that.

    I don’t know what’s going on, but it looks like the Dems are specifically trying to lose.

    That being the case - perhaps the elites already know they are throwing the election so this round is really just about throwing random people out there to test the limits on what people will accept and support; basically it looks to be a massive experiment and tax-funded national polling on extreme left-liberal viewpoints as well as whether people would be willing to support childless candidates, childless Hindu candidates, gay candidates, and an assortment of others (as you mentioned).

    Peace.

    I would admire your coreligionists if they refused to let “president” buttplug visit their countries. How much more can our presidents humiliate us? We are going to find out, it seems.

    Funny how a sodomite misfit somehow becomes “manly” in some voters’ eyes because he signed up to kill innocent people (“served” in the modern US military).

    • Replies: @Talha
    I do think that will happen since that impinges on the choice of the US electorate; if that’s who they choose, Muslim countries should not let that get in the way of normal relations.

    IF however, homeboy decides to make it his goal in life to send a bunch of sodomites as ambassadors and they come to preach and push for pro-gay policies In the Muslim world, then it is well within the best interests of Muslim nations to send them back and request a replacement as diplomatically and firmly as possible.

    Peace.
  102. I turned on the TV this morning and laughed so hard, it hurt. It always starts with Spectrum News which is LA based and disgustingly woke. They had a story about LA residents trying to turn Arizona’s McCain seat blue in the next election. They were so stupidly blind they did not see the optics of people from California (that most people in Arizona hate) trying to convince them to vote for a Democrat to what ends – amnesty for illegals, free health care for the same.

    Some people are just so stupid. Once you leave California, a common refrain from people in every state outside Caliornia is: Don’t California my —- (fill in the blank state).

    I hope they continue in their work.

  103. excuse the interrupt, I am a tad troubled by my reference to my housemate

    for conscience sake — laugh (there may be some fringe benefits — but unlikely resembling what one might imagine)

    acknowledging some risk to others wild assumptions and imaginings — but worth the price of a clear conscience.

    • Replies: @Talha
    She makes a mean meatloaf and pecan pie - got it!

    Peace.
  104. @Reg Cæsar

    If Democrats were smart, they would do like they did in Argentina and put ex-president Obama as vice-president in the Biden ticket.
     
    If he's ineligible to be President, he's ineligible to be Vice President, according to the final sentence of the Twelfth Amendment:

    But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

    Combine that with the Twenty-second Amendment, and Barry's done.

    There may be a loophole. It depends on what the meaning of "elected" is.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/former-president-becomes-vice-president/

    Do we really want the Supreme Court weighing in on another disputed election?

    There are two other branches a retired President can serve in, as JQ Adams and Taft showed. And those two didn't face a term limit.

    It seems that Obama could at least be veep, ascend to the presidency on Biden or whoever’s death/resignation, and serve two years.

    But based on your excellent observation, Obama possibly could serve longer as president so long as he gets there through the vice-presidency rather than election.

    In any event, the Dems could just run Michelle Obama as veep and avoid the question entirely. She could be veep for two terms (or probably less if Biden or Sanders is the president) and then run for her own two terms as president. With demographics going the way they are, the time may be almost ripe for such a streak. God help us.

    Then Michelle Obama with a Mexican running mate in 2028, by which time there should be millions more Mexicans registered to vote (not just in California but in Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, Florida, even Washington State, Nebraska, Kansas) and millions more other Spanish-speaking Hispanics registered to vote.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    In any event, the Dems could just run Michelle Obama as veep and avoid the question entirely.
     
    Just what America needs. Lurleen Perón.
  105. @Truth
    It truly is not an election, it's a Selection. The elites promote the candidate, in my opinon selected years and advance, who can provide the right mix of chaos, brainwashing, and conflict for them to advance their goals. I see no one wearing a donkey lapel pin who is going to create a more compelling TV comedy/drama than Camacho, so I fully expect him to win again, although I doubt he will complete his term.

    The eventual goal is to "kill" the proverbial rich-white-male power structure, and Camacho is the flag-bearer for this (the last), even though his "accomplishments" so far are almost carbon copies of those of his "liberal" predecessors. Ergo he must be done away with.

    You are absoulutely right about testing the limits, this is the point to Lil'-Buddi, Pocahontas, bug-eye Booker and the rest of these clowns. Like turning the heat up on a frog, slowly, the American public is being boiled slowly, to the point where it will be too anesthitized to jump out the pot.

    Perhaps they want a republican, and a white man, in the presidency when the next big recession or depression is caused/allowed to hit. Blame republicans and implicitly or explicitly white men for the resultant suffering, and usher in a suddenly drastically more authoritarian system of surveillance, disarming of peaceful citizens, stepped-up political indoctrination and sexual perversion of children, official open borders, and racial preferences.

    Learn Russian or Polish now? Wish I could add an LOL.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Perhaps they want a republican, and a white man, in the presidency when the next big recession or depression is caused/allowed to hit.

    I'm sure that I don't have to point out to you that in the modern era Republicans have been "borrow and spend" and they alternate with Democrats who are "tax and spend and pay the Republican debt."

    Leaving sane fiscal policy aside, it's farcical, but sad.

    , @Truth
    We are right along the same line of thought here.

    Of course it does not matter if it is a white sodomite pretending to be a "conservative" in a red tie, or an obvioius transgender, obese, midget, rainbow-hair colored president, the outcome will be the same; and soon.

    As I have written multiple times, "apocalype" means "uncovering", and they are spending a rapdily decreasing amount of time covering up this foolishness. No one can stop biblical prophecy.

    Find God.

  106. @RadicalCenter
    I would admire your coreligionists if they refused to let “president” buttplug visit their countries. How much more can our presidents humiliate us? We are going to find out, it seems.

    Funny how a sodomite misfit somehow becomes “manly” in some voters’ eyes because he signed up to kill innocent people (“served” in the modern US military).

    I do think that will happen since that impinges on the choice of the US electorate; if that’s who they choose, Muslim countries should not let that get in the way of normal relations.

    IF however, homeboy decides to make it his goal in life to send a bunch of sodomites as ambassadors and they come to preach and push for pro-gay policies In the Muslim world, then it is well within the best interests of Muslim nations to send them back and request a replacement as diplomatically and firmly as possible.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Well, well, well - speak of the devil...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNQGrwt7Ig
    , @Truth
    ...Except that in a decade there won't be any "Muslim Countries."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmAg3Q5a4fg
  107. @EliteCommInc.
    excuse the interrupt, I am a tad troubled by my reference to my housemate


    for conscience sake -- laugh (there may be some fringe benefits -- but unlikely resembling what one might imagine)

    acknowledging some risk to others wild assumptions and imaginings -- but worth the price of a clear conscience.

    She makes a mean meatloaf and pecan pie – got it!

    Peace.

  108. @RadicalCenter
    Perhaps they want a republican, and a white man, in the presidency when the next big recession or depression is caused/allowed to hit. Blame republicans and implicitly or explicitly white men for the resultant suffering, and usher in a suddenly drastically more authoritarian system of surveillance, disarming of peaceful citizens, stepped-up political indoctrination and sexual perversion of children, official open borders, and racial preferences.

    Learn Russian or Polish now? Wish I could add an LOL.

    Perhaps they want a republican, and a white man, in the presidency when the next big recession or depression is caused/allowed to hit.

    I’m sure that I don’t have to point out to you that in the modern era Republicans have been “borrow and spend” and they alternate with Democrats who are “tax and spend and pay the Republican debt.”

    Leaving sane fiscal policy aside, it’s farcical, but sad.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    I clicked agree. But even if the borrow-and-spend mentality of the republicans continues, white people voting for republican presidential candidates may reason that it could be more physically dangerous for us if a non-white and anti-white President is in power when the more widespread violence against us starts in earnest.

    Then again, what the Hell has trump and his DOJ done to protect us when leftist cities tell their police to stand by while we are threatened, spit on, followed, and sometimes attacked at political rallies.

    There are people here in Los Angeles who would attack even my wife and our young children if we dared to attend a trump rally or any nonDem/Green rally anywhere around here, Our recent experience suggests that the police would do little to nothing to stop it, or to try to apprehend them after such an attack or threat.

    We already had one maniac threaten her and the children specifically when we dared to wear trump shirts back in 2016.

  109. @Talha
    I do think that will happen since that impinges on the choice of the US electorate; if that’s who they choose, Muslim countries should not let that get in the way of normal relations.

    IF however, homeboy decides to make it his goal in life to send a bunch of sodomites as ambassadors and they come to preach and push for pro-gay policies In the Muslim world, then it is well within the best interests of Muslim nations to send them back and request a replacement as diplomatically and firmly as possible.

    Peace.

    Well, well, well – speak of the devil…

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Good for Zambia.

    How embarrassing to see “my” government pressuring other governments to stop their sensible measures against this inherently unhygienic, unhealthy, family-killing “lifestyle.” They do NOT speak for my wife and me, that is for sure.

  110. @the grand wazoo
    Well now, where's Tulsi Gabbard in your graph? You, and your identity politics were wrong about Harris and you're wrong about Biden. Trump has more support among young blacks than Biden. Show me I'm wrong.

    From your mouth to God’s ears, as my Grandmother would have said. But I’m skeptical. No way will even younger Africans vote more for trump or any republican, especially a non-African republican, over Biden or any conceivable Democrat (though the Dems might help trump with men generally, possibly including younger African men, by running a shrew like Warren or Hillary.)

    Polls are one thing, and actually pulling that lever in November is another. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  111. @Talha
    Well, well, well - speak of the devil...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNQGrwt7Ig

    Good for Zambia.

    How embarrassing to see “my” government pressuring other governments to stop their sensible measures against this inherently unhygienic, unhealthy, family-killing “lifestyle.” They do NOT speak for my wife and me, that is for sure.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Nor me or my family.

    Note that this is happening under the Trump administration with a purported very religious VP. It seems to all be a show.

    I like how their president basically said; yeah, we don’t accept your definition of civilization being associated with butt-sex.

    Peace.
    , @anon
    On paper the Department of State reports to the President. In reality, Trump is not in charge of State, they are in rebellion along with the rest of the Deep State. All sorts of projects run on autopilot as long as there's a handful of people willing to fight for them. It's true in any bureaucracy. Why is this news?
  112. @iffen
    Perhaps they want a republican, and a white man, in the presidency when the next big recession or depression is caused/allowed to hit.

    I'm sure that I don't have to point out to you that in the modern era Republicans have been "borrow and spend" and they alternate with Democrats who are "tax and spend and pay the Republican debt."

    Leaving sane fiscal policy aside, it's farcical, but sad.

    I clicked agree. But even if the borrow-and-spend mentality of the republicans continues, white people voting for republican presidential candidates may reason that it could be more physically dangerous for us if a non-white and anti-white President is in power when the more widespread violence against us starts in earnest.

    Then again, what the Hell has trump and his DOJ done to protect us when leftist cities tell their police to stand by while we are threatened, spit on, followed, and sometimes attacked at political rallies.

    There are people here in Los Angeles who would attack even my wife and our young children if we dared to attend a trump rally or any nonDem/Green rally anywhere around here, Our recent experience suggests that the police would do little to nothing to stop it, or to try to apprehend them after such an attack or threat.

    We already had one maniac threaten her and the children specifically when we dared to wear trump shirts back in 2016.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Wow - crazy. May God protect you and your family.

    Peace.
  113. @RadicalCenter
    Good for Zambia.

    How embarrassing to see “my” government pressuring other governments to stop their sensible measures against this inherently unhygienic, unhealthy, family-killing “lifestyle.” They do NOT speak for my wife and me, that is for sure.

    Nor me or my family.

    Note that this is happening under the Trump administration with a purported very religious VP. It seems to all be a show.

    I like how their president basically said; yeah, we don’t accept your definition of civilization being associated with butt-sex.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Yes, it’s completely a show on trump’s part, as I occasionally try to tell fellow congregants at the little Baptist church we joined a few years back.

    The man even nominated a sodomite to be our ambassador to Germany, another such pervert to be a federal appellate judge here in California (Patrick Bumatay, ninth circuit), and yet another, lesbian Mary Rowland, for federal district judge in Illinois. The republicans in the U.S. Senate will surely confirm both of these people without a peep because “they’re conservative.”

    What are they conserving? Certainly not their own families, their nation (an extended family of sorts, ideally), or the social principles upon which this country was founded and flourished.

    , @RadicalCenter
    Thank you, Talha. It is frightening how fast we are approaching mob rule and the inability to speak or assemble in public without being beaten.

    May God bless you and your family as well.
  114. @RadicalCenter
    I clicked agree. But even if the borrow-and-spend mentality of the republicans continues, white people voting for republican presidential candidates may reason that it could be more physically dangerous for us if a non-white and anti-white President is in power when the more widespread violence against us starts in earnest.

    Then again, what the Hell has trump and his DOJ done to protect us when leftist cities tell their police to stand by while we are threatened, spit on, followed, and sometimes attacked at political rallies.

    There are people here in Los Angeles who would attack even my wife and our young children if we dared to attend a trump rally or any nonDem/Green rally anywhere around here, Our recent experience suggests that the police would do little to nothing to stop it, or to try to apprehend them after such an attack or threat.

    We already had one maniac threaten her and the children specifically when we dared to wear trump shirts back in 2016.

    Wow – crazy. May God protect you and your family.

    Peace.

  115. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Good for Zambia.

    How embarrassing to see “my” government pressuring other governments to stop their sensible measures against this inherently unhygienic, unhealthy, family-killing “lifestyle.” They do NOT speak for my wife and me, that is for sure.

    On paper the Department of State reports to the President. In reality, Trump is not in charge of State, they are in rebellion along with the rest of the Deep State. All sorts of projects run on autopilot as long as there’s a handful of people willing to fight for them. It’s true in any bureaucracy. Why is this news?

  116. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I predicted last March that she would not get the nomination, although I thought she'd stick around longer than this.

    Not black enough, jew husband, no kids, no connection to slaves, prostituted herself to advance, bad track record as lawmaker/enforcer, and just not likable.

    The Machine knew they needed to spit this one out.

    Indeed, you had this exactly right, all the way down to what would be ‘controversial’ about her and what wouldn’t be.

    The proof for onlookers is here.

  117. @Anonymous
    Given your track record I find this reassuring.

    There’s no false modesty here, either. I nailed 2016 on both the Republican and Democrat sides, and about the only person who predicted Trump earlier than I did was Ann Coulter (that was why she retweeted me in the first place). I also got 2018 right.

    Honest assessment is I’m pretty good at this stuff.

    (And I’m really going to have to eat my words if Biden flops. One obvious qualifier–if Biden literally has a stroke or a heart attack or something debilitating like that, he’s not going to get the nomination).

  118. Biden’s black support has remained impervious to bad media coverage, poor debate performances, and accusations of racism. Maybe losses in lily-white Iowa and New Hampshire will find the chink in his armor, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

    I agree. There are two explanations why Biden has black support. The first is they really like Biden. The second is that they perceive him as the most electable. Given Biden’s media coverage, the warren surge, etc. and his continued high black support, I think the former is true.

    • Replies: @anon
    There are two explanations why Biden has black support. The first is they really like Biden. The second is that they perceive him as the most electable.

    The third is: He's Obama's homie.
  119. @EliteCommInc.
    "I assume church is more of a trusting atmosphere where people are more relaxed and friendly"

    Sidenote: The politics of my fundamentalist fellows is loaded with these pitfalls regarding politics, social meaning and children


    However, fundamentalist are high;y profamily and definitely prochildren.

    -----------------------------------------------------------


    VP Biden is a Catholic who supports killing/murdering children in the womb. Why these Catholics have not been excommunicated remains a weakness in Catholic practice.

    True. But they’d also have to defrock and excommunicate a large portion of the priesthood for buggering each other and members of the public. They’re long past maintaining any credibility on these issues.

  120. @gman
    IMO, Biden should not choose Stacey Abrams (or another establishment women/black person) as a VP.

    He already has the Black vote.

    His main weaknesses in a general election are as follows (i) lack of enthusiasm from progressive (ii) young people.

    I think someone like Elizabeth Warren or Andrew Yang would maximize his odds of beating Trump.

    I’ll definitely agree Abrams would be a bad choice for enough non-African voters: hideous-looking, angry, obnoxious. But would the Africans really turn out in the requisite numbers for a Chinese guy or a somewhat-shrewish lecturing white woman?

    On the other hand, might Yang, with his personality and sense of humor and relative lack of identity politics, turn off fewer moderate and nonideological white voters than almost any African veep candidate?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Yang is a plausible VP for Biden. He's outside the political establishment without being the hard progressive that the establishment really doesn't want. Asian male is only a tick above white male on the oppression pyramid, but while his score is low, it's still higher than Trump's or Pence's. He's also likable.
  121. @Talha
    Nor me or my family.

    Note that this is happening under the Trump administration with a purported very religious VP. It seems to all be a show.

    I like how their president basically said; yeah, we don’t accept your definition of civilization being associated with butt-sex.

    Peace.

    Yes, it’s completely a show on trump’s part, as I occasionally try to tell fellow congregants at the little Baptist church we joined a few years back.

    The man even nominated a sodomite to be our ambassador to Germany, another such pervert to be a federal appellate judge here in California (Patrick Bumatay, ninth circuit), and yet another, lesbian Mary Rowland, for federal district judge in Illinois. The republicans in the U.S. Senate will surely confirm both of these people without a peep because “they’re conservative.”

    What are they conserving? Certainly not their own families, their nation (an extended family of sorts, ideally), or the social principles upon which this country was founded and flourished.

  122. @Talha
    Nor me or my family.

    Note that this is happening under the Trump administration with a purported very religious VP. It seems to all be a show.

    I like how their president basically said; yeah, we don’t accept your definition of civilization being associated with butt-sex.

    Peace.

    Thank you, Talha. It is frightening how fast we are approaching mob rule and the inability to speak or assemble in public without being beaten.

    May God bless you and your family as well.

  123. @RadicalCenter
    It seems that Obama could at least be veep, ascend to the presidency on Biden or whoever’s death/resignation, and serve two years.

    But based on your excellent observation, Obama possibly could serve longer as president so long as he gets there through the vice-presidency rather than election.

    In any event, the Dems could just run Michelle Obama as veep and avoid the question entirely. She could be veep for two terms (or probably less if Biden or Sanders is the president) and then run for her own two terms as president. With demographics going the way they are, the time may be almost ripe for such a streak. God help us.

    Then Michelle Obama with a Mexican running mate in 2028, by which time there should be millions more Mexicans registered to vote (not just in California but in Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, Florida, even Washington State, Nebraska, Kansas) and millions more other Spanish-speaking Hispanics registered to vote.

    In any event, the Dems could just run Michelle Obama as veep and avoid the question entirely.

    Just what America needs. Lurleen Perón.

  124. @RadicalCenter
    Perhaps they want a republican, and a white man, in the presidency when the next big recession or depression is caused/allowed to hit. Blame republicans and implicitly or explicitly white men for the resultant suffering, and usher in a suddenly drastically more authoritarian system of surveillance, disarming of peaceful citizens, stepped-up political indoctrination and sexual perversion of children, official open borders, and racial preferences.

    Learn Russian or Polish now? Wish I could add an LOL.

    We are right along the same line of thought here.

    Of course it does not matter if it is a white sodomite pretending to be a “conservative” in a red tie, or an obvioius transgender, obese, midget, rainbow-hair colored president, the outcome will be the same; and soon.

    As I have written multiple times, “apocalype” means “uncovering”, and they are spending a rapdily decreasing amount of time covering up this foolishness. No one can stop biblical prophecy.

    Find God.

  125. @Talha
    I do think that will happen since that impinges on the choice of the US electorate; if that’s who they choose, Muslim countries should not let that get in the way of normal relations.

    IF however, homeboy decides to make it his goal in life to send a bunch of sodomites as ambassadors and they come to preach and push for pro-gay policies In the Muslim world, then it is well within the best interests of Muslim nations to send them back and request a replacement as diplomatically and firmly as possible.

    Peace.

    …Except that in a decade there won’t be any “Muslim Countries.”

  126. “They’re long past maintaining any credibility on these issues.”

    One doesn’t get excommunicated for error. one gets excommunicated for calling error truth or refusing to change.

    And by golly gee wow — those who claim that the behavior in question is ok with christ and in any consistent with faith —

    should get the boot.

  127. “She makes a mean meatloaf and pecan pie – got it!”

    I have no idea. But she made the best pumpkin and apple pies ever this year and each in keeping with my own dietary goals.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Money for nothing and your pies for free!

    Peace.
  128. @gman
    IMO, Biden should not choose Stacey Abrams (or another establishment women/black person) as a VP.

    He already has the Black vote.

    His main weaknesses in a general election are as follows (i) lack of enthusiasm from progressive (ii) young people.

    I think someone like Elizabeth Warren or Andrew Yang would maximize his odds of beating Trump.

    Getting Obama’s strong endorsement and Tulsi Gabbard as VP would win and would also permanently cut the Clintons out of the Democrat party.

    • Replies: @gman
    Look I am a Tulsi supporter but do you seriously think there is any chance Biden chooses Tulsi?

    The establishment hates Tulsi. Joe Biden strikes me as an establishment Democrat.

    I mean Howard Dean told CNN that all Dems are qualified to be president except Tulsi Gabbard
    https://twitter.com/NeelCNN/status/1085905418432348161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1085905418432348161&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fhomenews%2Fmedia%2F425832-howard-dean-to-cnn-all-dem-candidates-qualified-to-be-president-except-tulsi

    The only candidate I could see choosing Tulsi as a VP would be Bernie

    And one more question for you AE: If Tulsi wins NH (not unthinkable in my view, she's at 6% now and the winner could win with say 18% and it's an open primary state), does that change anything?

    , @anon
    permanently cut the Clintons out of the Democrat party.

    Not gonna happen. They have way too many files on too many people. Not just the raw FBI files, either.
  129. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Barring a debilitating failure of some sort, I think he’ll blow Trump out.
     
    I feel confident that won't happen. Black Democratic primary voters may not care that Biden is a demented buffoon, but swing voters in the Midwest and Florida are going to care a lot.

    Could be. I suspect, though, that Obama will campaign strongly for him. Maybe he becomes a supreme court justice as a reward–even with a modest Republican majority in the Senate, Obama would still be confirmed.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Does Obama really want to work? Yeah, his clerks would do most of the heavy lifting but it is still a job with more prestige than pay and you do have to show up for oral arguments.

    I doubt Michelle wants to do anything more than live the Kardashian type of celebrity - get paid for just showing up.
  130. @MarkinLA
    Who is his running mate? Abrams? Patrick?

    One can only hope. Obama won because people who were at best on the fence about Democrats gave Obama the nod because they thought it would end all the "YT is to blame for all my problems" crap. It turns out he made it worse so the magic negro fairy dust is all used up. NOTHING would make those same people run for the hills like Abrams as VP and potential President when Biden croaks in office.

    I want to believe you’re correct, but especially among white leftists, I think over the intervening 12 years the desire for reconciliation between whites and non-whites has been replaced by a desire for racial vengeance against badwhites.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    Considering how much Georgia's youth registration has kicked off since Trump's election, up to 3%, and most of those are young blacks who registered during the midterms. Texas, Arizona, and Wisconsin 18-29 voters have all increased by at least 1% or 2%. Gillum's black registration drive in Florida was incredibly unsuccessful in comparison and they represented only 11.5% of registrations, when it should be 13.5%. A true net loss for Dems even if Hispanics went up.

    The good news is that Joe Biden is incredibly unpopular among young voters, probably more so than Hillary. They also still lag behind in enthusiasm to vote.

    Biden gets 96% of his supporters, 93% Warren, and 84% of everyone else
  131. @EliteCommInc.
    "I assume church is more of a trusting atmosphere where people are more relaxed and friendly"

    Sidenote: The politics of my fundamentalist fellows is loaded with these pitfalls regarding politics, social meaning and children


    However, fundamentalist are high;y profamily and definitely prochildren.

    -----------------------------------------------------------


    VP Biden is a Catholic who supports killing/murdering children in the womb. Why these Catholics have not been excommunicated remains a weakness in Catholic practice.

    Pelosi, John Kerry–they won’t do it to any of them. The Church would sooner excommunicate a member for refusing to kiss the feet of African refugees than for supporting abortion.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    And tht in my view is very very sad.

    I cannot think of a sing;e pastor who would permit to grace their doors if was running around saying that bitterness not only fine, but God endorses it.


    And yet when it comes to several fundamental breaks and even supposed leaders leaders who claim Catholocism as their faith and practice yet openly support

    murdering children and same sex conduct --- the "true church" has no backbone.


    I think that the catholic congregations hold a purer line. And there countries on the African Continent that actually hold same sex behavior as illegal and I think that Catholics on the continent are mor exacting than those in the west.

  132. @EliteCommInc.
    "She makes a mean meatloaf and pecan pie – got it!"


    I have no idea. But she made the best pumpkin and apple pies ever this year and each in keeping with my own dietary goals.

    Money for nothing and your pies for free!

    Peace.

  133. @Audacious Epigone
    Getting Obama's strong endorsement and Tulsi Gabbard as VP would win and would also permanently cut the Clintons out of the Democrat party.

    Look I am a Tulsi supporter but do you seriously think there is any chance Biden chooses Tulsi?

    The establishment hates Tulsi. Joe Biden strikes me as an establishment Democrat.

    I mean Howard Dean told CNN that all Dems are qualified to be president except Tulsi Gabbard

    The only candidate I could see choosing Tulsi as a VP would be Bernie

    And one more question for you AE: If Tulsi wins NH (not unthinkable in my view, she’s at 6% now and the winner could win with say 18% and it’s an open primary state), does that change anything?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Ha, the "progressive" hero from 2004 goes out of his way to attack a congresswoman polling at 2% because of her qualified opposition to the warfare state. These people are total frauds.
  134. @gman
    Look I am a Tulsi supporter but do you seriously think there is any chance Biden chooses Tulsi?

    The establishment hates Tulsi. Joe Biden strikes me as an establishment Democrat.

    I mean Howard Dean told CNN that all Dems are qualified to be president except Tulsi Gabbard
    https://twitter.com/NeelCNN/status/1085905418432348161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1085905418432348161&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fhomenews%2Fmedia%2F425832-howard-dean-to-cnn-all-dem-candidates-qualified-to-be-president-except-tulsi

    The only candidate I could see choosing Tulsi as a VP would be Bernie

    And one more question for you AE: If Tulsi wins NH (not unthinkable in my view, she's at 6% now and the winner could win with say 18% and it's an open primary state), does that change anything?

    Ha, the “progressive” hero from 2004 goes out of his way to attack a congresswoman polling at 2% because of her qualified opposition to the warfare state. These people are total frauds.

  135. @Dumbo
    I think my point wasn't clear. Politicians, especially in democracies, always think only short term, so if they have children or not doesn't seem to change too much their outlook. I do agree that (at least in theory) having children makes you think more about the future, but in practice, I am not so sure if it works that way. Especially among politicians, who live in a bubble anyway, and changes affect them in a different way. If Mrs. Merkel had had children would she have acted in a different way regarding the refugee crisis? Maybe, but I don't think so.

    But maybe what is worrying about so many leaders in important positions not having children is exactly that it is an effect and not a cause - powerful, rich people usually have the choice to have children and traditionally had many, so if there are so many in the upper echelons not having them or having very few, it might mean something.

    But I still think it's mostly that there are a lot of gays in the elite (or women who privilege their career or studies over family and lose the optimal time to conceive. I can see that: rearing children takes time - and really it is not practical to work in a demanding job such as politics and take care of children at the same time).

    “If Mrs. Merkel had had children would she have acted in a different way regarding the refugee crisis?”

    If she had kids maybe she’d have thought about their future rather than the futures of self-selected foreign lawbreakers, nearly all men who chose to leave their women and children behind in (ostensible) danger.

    Doesn’t always apply though. Tony Blair has kids and he did more damage to the UK than any prime minister in history. The UK is vanishing in front of my eyes.

  136. “Money for nothing and your pies for free!”

    Ha. Laugh.

  137. @Audacious Epigone
    Pelosi, John Kerry--they won't do it to any of them. The Church would sooner excommunicate a member for refusing to kiss the feet of African refugees than for supporting abortion.

    And tht in my view is very very sad.

    I cannot think of a sing;e pastor who would permit to grace their doors if was running around saying that bitterness not only fine, but God endorses it.

    And yet when it comes to several fundamental breaks and even supposed leaders leaders who claim Catholocism as their faith and practice yet openly support

    murdering children and same sex conduct — the “true church” has no backbone.

    I think that the catholic congregations hold a purer line. And there countries on the African Continent that actually hold same sex behavior as illegal and I think that Catholics on the continent are mor exacting than those in the west.

  138. @Audacious Epigone
    He could make Obama his VP. It's a constitutional grey area, since in the event of Biden's death, Obama would assume the presidency (rather than being elected to it, which is the only thing the constitution explicitly forbids).

    Yes, it would make a mockery of the entire political system--but Biden/Obama would probably win something like 60%-40% in the popular vote and 350-185 in the electoral college.

    It’s a constitutional grey area, since in the event of Biden’s death, Obama would assume the presidency (rather than being elected to it, which is the only thing the constitution explicitly forbids).

    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves… …shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. [Emphasis added.]

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The argument will be that it refers to requirements like age and place of birth.
  139. @Audacious Epigone
    Could be. I suspect, though, that Obama will campaign strongly for him. Maybe he becomes a supreme court justice as a reward--even with a modest Republican majority in the Senate, Obama would still be confirmed.

    Does Obama really want to work? Yeah, his clerks would do most of the heavy lifting but it is still a job with more prestige than pay and you do have to show up for oral arguments.

    I doubt Michelle wants to do anything more than live the Kardashian type of celebrity – get paid for just showing up.

  140. I doubt Michelle wants to do anything more than live the Kardashian type of celebrity – get paid for just showing up.

    Don’t you?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    I wasn't attacking it, only pointing it out as a reason to avoid getting a job where you actually have to do more than sit in the make-up artists chair for 30 minutes before making your appearance.
  141. @Truth

    I doubt Michelle wants to do anything more than live the Kardashian type of celebrity – get paid for just showing up.
     
    Don't you?

    I wasn’t attacking it, only pointing it out as a reason to avoid getting a job where you actually have to do more than sit in the make-up artists chair for 30 minutes before making your appearance.

  142. @Gman

    Biden’s black support has remained impervious to bad media coverage, poor debate performances, and accusations of racism. Maybe losses in lily-white Iowa and New Hampshire will find the chink in his armor, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
     
    I agree. There are two explanations why Biden has black support. The first is they really like Biden. The second is that they perceive him as the most electable. Given Biden’s media coverage, the warren surge, etc. and his continued high black support, I think the former is true.

    There are two explanations why Biden has black support. The first is they really like Biden. The second is that they perceive him as the most electable.

    The third is: He’s Obama’s homie.

    • Replies: @Gman
    That would fall under category 1 (I.e. they like him because he was Obama’s homie)

    What I was trying to get at is if the logic for Biden support is circular (they support him because he is the most electable and he is the most electable because they support him) then a poor showing in Iowa and NH really hurt Biden.

    If on the other hand, they really like Biden (which I think the case) then he is less affected by a poor shoring in Iowa and NH
  143. @Audacious Epigone
    Getting Obama's strong endorsement and Tulsi Gabbard as VP would win and would also permanently cut the Clintons out of the Democrat party.

    permanently cut the Clintons out of the Democrat party.

    Not gonna happen. They have way too many files on too many people. Not just the raw FBI files, either.

  144. @anon
    There are two explanations why Biden has black support. The first is they really like Biden. The second is that they perceive him as the most electable.

    The third is: He's Obama's homie.

    That would fall under category 1 (I.e. they like him because he was Obama’s homie)

    What I was trying to get at is if the logic for Biden support is circular (they support him because he is the most electable and he is the most electable because they support him) then a poor showing in Iowa and NH really hurt Biden.

    If on the other hand, they really like Biden (which I think the case) then he is less affected by a poor shoring in Iowa and NH

  145. Audacious, I have always thought that Black people vote ethnocentric meme was because Black people live in very Black districts, so most politicans(if not all) are Black, so that’s all who’s available to vote for.

    Black people liked Obama because he was a Black person with the sophistication of a White politican, who was being heraled by the media as getting Iraq/Economy right, that brings a lot of prestige.

    They really want to be governed by White people, since White rule works out in terms of getting things done in their mind.

    So they will support pro-Black White candidates as their first choice, and if no such candidate exists, then they will push their vote to whoever is left, which tends to be whatever is the makeup of their district, which is overwhelmingly Black(non-Blacks flee the neighborhood).

    If Biden drops out, they will probably vote for whoever is the most credible/pro-Black person left, which would be Warren, then Sanders, then maybe if no other choice is remaining/unpalatable, then they will vote for the Black candidates.

    Nonwhites in America usually are skeptical to vote for nonwhites in office, due to fears about quality, but vote strongly for pro-nonwhite politicans, and people often conflate the two, since the most pro-Nonwhites in Amercia have historically been nonwhite, tho that is changing lately(Hello Affulent White Liberal Woman!).

  146. This time of year is really a tough hurl for mt roommate and I. I don’f engage in any of the activities, buy I have a housemate that does. So its a compromise because this time used to be a thing. Not for me. But it remains a thing. So I compromise and do set ups on the days not in question.

    This weekend, I set up lights sh she can do whatever is to be done and experienced and when she’d not around — I can leave them a though they don;t exist. If i was leaving with a male i could say

    “Go fly a kite” . . . and humbug to my heart’s content but with women these things are different.

    I the pies are welcome treat and i fix a bird on any day except that day.

  147. @Audacious Epigone
    I want to believe you're correct, but especially among white leftists, I think over the intervening 12 years the desire for reconciliation between whites and non-whites has been replaced by a desire for racial vengeance against badwhites.

    Considering how much Georgia’s youth registration has kicked off since Trump’s election, up to 3%, and most of those are young blacks who registered during the midterms. Texas, Arizona, and Wisconsin 18-29 voters have all increased by at least 1% or 2%. Gillum’s black registration drive in Florida was incredibly unsuccessful in comparison and they represented only 11.5% of registrations, when it should be 13.5%. A true net loss for Dems even if Hispanics went up.

    The good news is that Joe Biden is incredibly unpopular among young voters, probably more so than Hillary. They also still lag behind in enthusiasm to vote.

    Biden gets 96% of his supporters, 93% Warren, and 84% of everyone else

  148. @RadicalCenter
    I’ll definitely agree Abrams would be a bad choice for enough non-African voters: hideous-looking, angry, obnoxious. But would the Africans really turn out in the requisite numbers for a Chinese guy or a somewhat-shrewish lecturing white woman?

    On the other hand, might Yang, with his personality and sense of humor and relative lack of identity politics, turn off fewer moderate and nonideological white voters than almost any African veep candidate?

    Yang is a plausible VP for Biden. He’s outside the political establishment without being the hard progressive that the establishment really doesn’t want. Asian male is only a tick above white male on the oppression pyramid, but while his score is low, it’s still higher than Trump’s or Pence’s. He’s also likable.

    • Agree: Talha
  149. @Hibernian

    It’s a constitutional grey area, since in the event of Biden’s death, Obama would assume the presidency (rather than being elected to it, which is the only thing the constitution explicitly forbids).

     


    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves... ...shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. [Emphasis added.]
     

    The argument will be that it refers to requirements like age and place of birth.

  150. @Charles Pewitt

    Do they care about that, though? A recent YouGov poll–the one that made the “53% of Republicans think Trump is a greater president than Lincoln”–also matched Dubya Bush and Trump up. Among Democrats, 90% said Bush was better.

     

    I think Warren or Sanders or Buttigieg will bring up Joe Biden's vote to give George W Bush authority to start the Iraq War and that might give millions of voters a chance to give the Green Party a look. Biden seemingly has the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY voters and the GREEDY WHITE GEEZER DEMOCRAT voters locked up, but millions of other voters will go Green Party in the general election because of Biden's support for the Iraq War debacle.

    Bernie Sanders will not pass up the chance to remind voters that Joe Biden voted for the Iraq War and that Biden voted for NAFTA and that Biden supported the job-killing, sovereignty-sapping Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam while Biden was Obama's VP. Warren or Buttigieg might ask Biden about that too, but they'll certainly pile on if Sanders goes after Biden on that.

    The 2020 election will bring Civil War II closer by fracturing the electorate and destroying the two-party tyranny wrecking the USA.

    Green Party

    Libertarian Party

    White Core America Party

    Democrat Party

    Republican Party

    The 2020 election will bring Civil War II closer by fracturing the electorate and destroying the two-party tyranny wrecking the USA.

    I concur, sort of.
    The central government today is bifurcated into the Deep State (all centralized Leftists sucking a teat on the vast SOW that is the US Treasury) and elements that want to displace it (with which Trump is probably aligned.)

    Once the central government (“the state”) became total (i.e., Congress and the executive alphabet soup agencies took to controlling every aspect of human life in the geography they oversee), the contest over whose preferences control those agencies turned into a war.

    For 60 years the left (centralizers) were the only soldiers in the battle. America’s entire political establishment is leftist (and they’re all kleptocrats, using their positions to enrich themselves, their families and their crony-campaign-contributors.)

    But these clowns misunderstand something. They cannot push their increasingly batshit crazy preferences down the throats of the rest of us.
    https://americanmind.org/essays/our-revolutions-logic/

    Corcyra’s revolution in 427 BC, the fifth year of the Peloponnesian War, is a paradigm of revolutionary logic. Thucydides tells us that the citizens’ divisions had been of the garden-variety economic kind. Its Assembly had taken an ordinary vote on an ordinary measure. But the vote’s losers, refusing to accept political defeat, brought criminal charges against their opponents’ leader. By thus criminalizing differences over public policy, by using political power to hurt their opponents, they gave the revolutionary spiral its first turn. The spiral might have stopped when the accused was acquitted. But, he, instead of letting bygones be bygones, convinced the assembly to fine those who had brought the charges. After all, they had to be taught not to do such things again. The assembly approved the fine. But the second use of political power to hurt opponents gave the revolutionary spiral its second turn. Had the original wrongdoers paid up, the problem might have ended right there. Instead, outraged, they gave it the third push, bursting into the Assembly and murdering him. That ended all private haven from political strife. Civil war spiraled into mutual destruction, until the city was well-nigh depopulated.

    In 1919, a member of the Russian Duma had asked: “Comrade, is this just?” Lenin famously answered: “Just? For what class?” Forty years later, in similar circumstances, Fidel Castro delivered the dime store version: “Within the revolution, everything. Against the revolution, nothing.” In 2018 our ruling class, in unison, set out to destroy all but the biological life of a political adversary. It substituted vehement assertion for truth, cast aside argument, foreclosed questions, celebrated its own deed and vowed to persist in it. Asked whether what they were doing was right, Senators Booker and Hirono answered directly—the others did so indirectly—that this was the right way to proceed with a person whose jurisprudence was so objectionable. Whether they know whose footsteps they are following matters little.

    In short, the “resistance” has begun to radicalize middle America. It redoubled millions of Americans’ sense of siege, their fear of unbridled rule by unaccountable powers, of being accused of “hate speech,” of normal life made impossible by Progressive socio-political demands. It confirmed the sense that Donald Trump and such as he, whatever their faults, are all that stands between themselves and having an alien way of life imposed upon them.

    Prior to Progressivism, the American political tradition had not been about imposing any way of life on anyone.

    Come 2020, we’ll get another data point to see what happens when Utopians, bent on using whatever means are necessary to make those they hold in contempt be “better people,” up the ante.

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