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The ACAB position is a minority one, even among Democrats, but time is on its side:

This poll was conducted a few days before the Derek Chauvin verdict. Whatever the outcome means for ACAB, it is at this point hard not to think at the very least ACAF–all cops are fools.

Why would a man subject himself to dangerous situations for a system that won’t think twice about throwing him to the wolves? Or allow himself to be pressed into the modestly-compensated mercenary work of harassing ordinary citizens for made up crimes like ingesting plants, driving ‘too fast’, or not standing far enough away from other people on a playground? If law enforcement is in your blood, find a sane sheriff’s department under the leadership of a person who doesn’t hate his deputies or his constituents and serve there.

Regarding the Chauvin verdict, jurors who may have had reservations about guilt beyond a reasonable doubt were in an impossible position. They could dismiss those reservations and be heroes or entertain them and become dead men walking. The media destroyed their anonymity. The mayor, a senior member of the party that controls Congress, even the president of the country himself, let the jurors know that expressing such reservations would make mark them as enemies of the state. The baying mobs outside made clear sparing the cop’s life would result in the loss of other lives.

It was a real world example of the trolley problem, except on the other side of Chauvin lie the entire city of Minneapolis and all its inhabitants. Whether the cop is an angel, a devil, or something in between becomes immaterial in such a situation. He must die so that others may live.

Perhaps Chauvin deserved the convictions, not just for willingly becoming a cog in an evil machine, but for failing to engage in actions that may have preserved George Floyd’s life. There is no way to know now, though. The unprecedented amount of social, cultural, and political pressure brought to bear on the case has made it impossible.

This is what a narrative-based concept of justice looks like. Prepare accordingly.

 
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  1. anon[412] • Disclaimer says:

    This is what a narrativetribal-based concept of justice looks like.

    FIFY.

    • Agree: Catdog
  2. In general the cops are at least more honorable than the judges. All of them are more honorable than the legislators. The higher you go the more rot you find. The oligarchs are psychopathic.

  3. neutral says:

    The people answering that question don’t have the same understanding of what police implies. On the left police implies being white, of course the left don’t want to eliminate the police, what they really want is an all black police force. A kind of black janissary that will be absolutely loyal to the woke overlords, and that will be absolutely brutal in enforcing this new religion.

    • Replies: @216
  4. AE: “This is what a narrative-based concept of justice looks like. ”

    It’s always been a narrative. It’s just that this isn’t the one whites are used to. They are used to seeing the cops as good guys whose word is to be believed without question, and the person on trial as probably guilty or the cops wouldn’t have arrested him. As America becomes less white, this view is changing. White “cogs in an evil machine” like Chauvin will find that policing isn’t much fun when the betrayers themselves are betrayed. If you are white and serve an anti-white system, you shouldn’t be surprised when it turns on you.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @cosMICjester
    , @Bill
  5. Twinkie says:

    As I mentioned before, the physician workforce in this country is quite old – nearly half of the doctors are 56 or older. Doctors used to breed doctors, but very few physicians these days encourage their children to pursue the profession and many actively discourage it.

    I suspect something similar is or will be at work here with police officers.

    The end result will be the same for both professions – increasing brownization. The huge gap between demand and supply in physician workforce will be filled by imported Indian foreign medical doctors (FMDs) as well as by artificially boosting the number of NAM doctors. Meanwhile, the police forces will also become more and more NAM.

    Both will reduce the quality of life for Americans. Sad.

  6. Twinkie says:

    On a more positive and constructive note, there is something off-topic, that I think deserves attention:

    https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/04/16/how-a-catholic-family-of-16-lives-debt-free/

    Five years ago, a Catholic family of 16 made international news for sending their children to college without any debt – and now the parents are offering their financial advice in a book.

    Sam and Rob Fatzinger, parents of 14 children who live outside Washington, D.C. in Bowie, Maryland, authored the book “A Catholic Guide to Spending Less and Living More: Advice from a debt-free family of 16.”

    In an age of credit card debt and zero-down purchases, the debt-free Fatzingers might appear as a cultural phenomenon. They paid off their mortgage in fewer than 13 years. Their children attend community college for two years – “half the price” of other colleges, Rob said in a 2017 interview with EWTN Pro-Life Weekly – before transferring to a state school for their bachelor’s degree. Yet while living near one of the most expensive cities in the United States, the Fatzingers remain debt free.

    Mormons do it all the time. Trad Catholics do it. Others can do (but you have to help build a community around you first).

  7. @Twinkie

    but you have to help build a community around you first

    Since I’m past the child-rearing stage of life, I’m not gonna read the book, but maybe you can explain to me if being debt-free really requires a pre-built community? After all, a tactic like “attend community college for two years … before transferring to a state school for their bachelor’s degree” can be done by anyone, with or without a religious community, no?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  8. Twinkie says:
    @Almost Missouri

    It’s not just about saving tuition, etc. Minding and homeschooling 16 kids requires a lot of help and support, something that can only be readily obtained in a community of the likeminded. Even grandparents and uncles and aunts can only do so much. When you have such a community, though, things can be much easier. Running a meal train for a new mom is a lot easier with 25 other moms taking turns, for example. And community building like this is very positive-sum. My few non-religious friends just can’t fathom why it’s been “so easy” for my wife and me to raise so many kids – they keep saying “How do you guys do this?” every time and we always answer the same – “We have a community.”

    Rob Fatzinger made $50k a year until he turned 40 and makes about $100k a year now (he’s in his 50’s). His wife is heavily involved with their Catholic homeschooling group and parish.

  9. Dumbo says:

    While I have some reservations about aggressive cops, non-whites and in particular blacks HATE HATE HATE (TM Whiskey) cops. I think this is because most of them have at least a cousin who was arrested or is on the run, or perhaps it’s just instinctive as cops interrupt a lot of their “business” (pimping, drugs, etc). If the cop is white, double-hate.

    So, if it depended just on blacks, Chauvin would get the death penalty just for messing a black person’s hair.

  10. Dumbo says:
    @Twinkie

    Meanwhile, the police forces will also become more and more NAM. Both will reduce the quality of life for Americans. Sad.

    In countries such as Brazil, it is common for the (mostly brown) police to come down hard on black/brown criminals in the favelas, beating up people and every know and then killing a few innocents in the process, shooting children caught in the crossfire, etc.

    So if “BIPOCs” and dumb progressives think that a more “BIPOC” police will be less violent than the current one, think again. There will be many more body bags. But perhaps no riots.

  11. @Twinkie

    Great article. Blackpillers should study this. The Fatzingers it should be added did this in a part of the country that is Democrat-dominated. I know many families like this, including very large families with 8, 9 and 11 kids, in my area that is also Democrat-dominated.

    It is within reach for many to get a decent-sized house in the suburbs and build a big, beautiful clan. Faith is a central building block.

    You don’t need TV; homeschooling is a great option. Even if there are grim developments in the world, your world can be very bright. We have tremendous agency, more than we know. The Fatzingers were just a couple with a vision and faith. Look what they built. Modest income, too. Now imagine this playing forward a few generations. America is over? Really?

  12. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    It’s always been a narrative. It’s just that this isn’t the one whites are used to. They are used to seeing the cops as good guys whose word is to be believed without question, and the person on trial as probably guilty or the cops wouldn’t have arrested him.

    Yep.

    That narrative was every bit as false and deluded and dangerous as the current narrative.

  13. Why would a man subject himself to dangerous situations for a system that won’t think twice about throwing him to the wolves?

    I do not know.

    Perhaps Chauvin deserved the convictions … for failing to engage in actions that may have preserved George Floyd’s life.

    Perhaps, but ordinary Americans have been convicted along with Chauvin. Some demoralized police officer will decide today that it is too much effort to run down some fleeing perp. That perp will murder one of us tonight.

    So it’s decades in prison for Chauvin but the death penalty for one of us. Probably for more than one of us. Chauvin may or may not have deserved what he got (though in my opinion, he did not), but we did not deserve what we’re going to get.

    I want Chauvin freed, immediately. In the riots that ensue, I want rioters shot on sight.

    I want my country back.

    • Agree: usNthem, Catdog, cosMICjester
  14. Arclight says:

    It’s time to stand back and allow the inevitable happen, which is a repetition of the 25 years or so of rising urban crime, stagnant or falling urban property values, and then get ready to buy real estate when enough of the left decides its time for more policing and tougher sentencing again. You cannot stop it from happening, but you can at least position yourself to make some money.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  15. Altai says:

    harassing ordinary citizens for made up crimes like ingesting plants, driving ‘too fast’

    Get up you faker.

  16. @Altai

    Every writer on UNZ dot com is just a different character aren’t they? The REASON magazine level takes mixed in with the redpills of AE always make me chuckle.

    “Made up crimes like ingesting chemicals ? What’s next, being arrested for eating a succulent chinese meal?!?” Illicit drug abuse, reckless driving, and arbitrary “social distancing” decrees, one of these things is not like the others.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  17. One very wise decision could be made overnight and applied everywhere: no more sending non-black cops into black situations. Ever.

    If not enough Afficans meet police academy standards lower the standards.

    • Replies: @Brian Reilly
  18. The devil’s advocate would point out the possibility that George Zimmerman were objectively innocent while Derek Chauvin were objectively guilty. If so (though I do not say it is so), then it’s not a narrative, but merely justice.

    I will say that, unlike the judge of James Alex Fields, Jr., in Virginia three years ago, Derek Chauvin’s judge at least appeared (in the untutored eyes of a layman like me) to be reasonable, neutral and fair. Maybe the judge has a lot of practice at faking it? I couldn’t say, but am uninclined to blame the judge for Maxine Waters, Jacob Frey and the media circus.

    Now, dispensing with the devil’s advocate, what I really believe is that it’s us against them, unfortunately. I am for Chauvin because I am for us. This is war.

    Oh, and never, ever elect a Jew mayor of your city, ever. Not all Jews would do this to you, but Jacob Frey did. This is the predictable result.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  19. Blacks for the most part ain’t got what Ed Burke might refer to as ‘inner restraint’ on their violent and volatile criminal impulses which means that Blacks are either going to go full Virginia Quaker — which they won’t because they don’t have the genetic material required for Virginia Quakerism — or they will run amok like bastards because the cops are pulling back and the cops are gonna let the disproportionate Black crime rates go even more through the roof because keeping Blacks in line ain’t worth the hassle when the Democrat Party and the White Upper Middle Class Snot Brats and the plutocrats and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is throwing your cop ass under the bus big time.

  20. White Core America takes the satellite view of all this Black Lives Matter hullabaloo.

    I wrote this in September of 2018 in conjunction with an ale-soaked select committee of White Core America members:

    White Core America says that the Black Lives Matter mob is a Jews Organized Globally fraud only kept in front of the peasants of the American Empire by the disproportionate power of Jews Organized Globally to control the media.

    Billionaires and White Upper Middle Class turds are giving us the crocodile tear crap about Black Lives Matter when these same frauds don’t want to live anywhere near Blacks.

    The answer to Black Lives Matter mumbo jumbo is to say this:

    IT’S OKAY TO BE WHITE

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/blm-takes-two-steps-forward-one-step-backwards/#comment-4171688

  21. My grandfather was a detective in Newark, New Jersey when Newark was somewhat sedate and civilized. Blacks have made Newark, New Jersey vibrant, volatile and violent. Due to the innate lower IQ of Blacks as compared to Jews and northern Asians and Whites, the Newark public schools are bastions of boneheadedness of a most unspeakable degree.

    Muttonhead Murray has a book coming out that takes a benevolent and reasonable view of Black Boneheadedness and low innate Black IQ and I’m sure the corporate propaganda apparatus will give his words proper discussion and respect. That was sarcasm, folks!

    More fun about cops and Black Lives Matter from September of 2018:

    Obama riled up the Black Lives Matter mob.

    The corporate media riled up the Black Lives Matter mob.

    Cops were attacked for doing their jobs.

    Cops responded to the attacks on them by pulling back somewhat from keeping the pressure on those who need the pressure kept on them.

    Cops remained in their role as professionals dedicated to public safety, but they had strictures placed on them that lessened their ability to stop crime in certain areas of the country.

    Black murder rates and Black criminality exploded as a result of Obama and the corporate media attacking the cops.

    That filthy baby boomer turd, Hillary Clinton, said that “systemic racism” in police departments, and society at large, was the problem behind all the Black crime and Black mayhem. This was after that Black bastard killed all those cops in Dallas.

    Edmund Burke said if no individual internal force will keep you in line, then an external force will have to do it.

    Blacks Run Amok When Cops Pull Back!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/fbi-murders-down-0-7-in-2017/#comment-2536471

  22. res says:

    Why would a man subject himself to dangerous situations for a system that won’t think twice about throwing him to the wolves? Or allow himself to be pressed into the modestly-compensated mercenary work of harassing ordinary citizens for made up crimes like ingesting plants, driving ‘too fast’, or not standing far enough away from other people on a playground? If law enforcement is in your blood, find a sane sheriff’s department under the leadership of a person who doesn’t hate his deputies or his constituents and serve there.

    What most concerns me about this is that as police work becomes less desirable for reasons like this we will see more police who are in it for “bad” reasons. Like the ability to earn a side income by being corrupt, or just wanting the power trip of controlling other people.

    Same thing applies to politicians.

  23. res says:
    @Twinkie

    Thanks. One thing I found interesting is that I searched for it by title on Amazon and did not get a hit. But then I did a web search and see the Amazon page where it is currently the “#1 New Release in Christian Stewardship.”

    Search worked just fine on barnesandnoble.com and also worked on Amazon owned abebooks.com (weird to see used offerings already for a new release).

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  24. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t know why everybody here is so distraught. Neurotic identification with authority figures, maybe. As Gore Vidal said, the fundamental police job skill is whining.

    Think it through. What would happen to you if you kneeled on a cop’s head, and his heart was rotted out from too much Primo roids, and he croaked?

    Welcome to equal justice under law!

  25. Rich says:

    My father had a friend who was a cop in Harlem in NY during the 60s and 70s. He used to tell us how he only made one arrest his entire career and that because his sergeant forced him. When a crime was committed, he mosied over, checked the scene, did what he was told, but that was it. And walked away with a solid pension, full medical coverage for him and his wife. That was during the original ‘Civil rights’ era. That’s what cops will do again. Back then, nyc had over 50% Whites living there. Not anymore. The Jews still might save it, if they can, but my guess is that cities and areas with a lot of blacks, are done.

  26. Mark G. says:

    In order for a politician to get elected he needs two things, campaign donations and votes. If he is corrupt, then he needs voters willing to vote for a corrupt politician in exchange for government benefits. He also needs wealthy people who will donate money to a corrupt politician in exchange for special favors from government. These special favors can take the form of things like subsidies, bailouts, government contracts, tax breaks for certain groups and regulatory changes.

    Many blacks are willing to accept unearned benefits like welfare or well paid jobs that they only got through government enforced affirmative action and are willing to vote for anyone who provides that. The politicians who have been bought by politically connected elites will provide those benefits in exchange for black votes. You end up with three way mutual back scratching going on between corrupt government officials, politically connected wealthy elites, and poor blacks. All three groups will support the same things and this includes BLM and the conviction of Chauvin.

  27. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    BS anyone who’s had a few run ins w/ the police know the majority are d-bags. That’s why we comply & keep our mouths shut when dealing w/ them. Sane folks also know the upcoming civil war isn’t going to be leftist loons versus patriots. It’s going to be the US military run by compromised cucks versus patriots. Whitey versus whitey. The west is over South Africa here we come. Better teach your grand children Spanish or Russian cuz Uruguay & Russia are going to the last places to run to.

    • Replies: @216
  28. @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    That occupation the composition of which is most likely too drive recklessly is the gendarmerie.

    Evidence?

    My eyes.

  29. unit472 says:

    I think ( outside heavily negro areas) the US is overpoliced and even high crime areas will probably need fewer cops than at present. Technology can do traffic control work and you don’t need to send an armed LEO to write an accident report. It won’t be pleasant ( at first ) to get a computer generated speeding ticket but on the bright side taxpayers won’t have pay a state trooper $100,000 per year in wages and benefits to write the ticket or accident report either. Technology will also make detective work more effective as video, aerial surveillance drones and cellphone data can track and put criminals at the crime scene.

    Moving to a cashless society would end most narcotic trafficking as well as most property theft since the state will be able to monitor everyone’s purchases making it difficult if not impossible to conduct illicit transactions and people won’t be able to pay for or sell drugs or stolen goods. May not be the future I want but its the one the negro is forcing upon us all.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Bill
    , @216
  30. Bill says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Most everyone serves the system, though.

  31. anon[758] • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472

    Technology can do traffic control work

    Sort of. But not really.

    Moving to a cashless society would end most narcotic trafficking

    Lol. Stop wasting time on Fred Reed, it will raise your IQ by 5 points or more.

    Dude….what is “money”?

  32. Bill says:
    @unit472

    It won’t be pleasant ( at first ) to get a computer generated speeding ticket

    The thing is, with human enforcement, there really isn’t enforcement unless you look like someone the cops want to pull over or you are going 20mph over the speed limit. I’m happy to pay the state trooper $100K so that I don’t have to obey the speed limit.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  33. Daniel H says:

    Why would a man subject himself to dangerous situations for a system that won’t think twice about throwing him to the wolves?

    Because fairly intelligent, on the ball white proles have so few economic options. Same reason the state can rely upon a steady supply of fighting soldiers. Steady paycheck, full health (through retirement too), and a pension after 20 years service is powerfully attractive to a white prole. Not unimportantly, such an economic package enables him to attract a quality white prole wife.

    I live in Vegas and have met so many 20ish men who are waiting for their call up to Metro (the police force). Most are white, but a fair number are Mexican-American and Asian prole too. Hell, working at one of the 15 or so Amazon distribution centers scattered around the city is considered a plum prole job out here. Prole life is bleak.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Mark G.
  34. 216 says: • Website
    @neutral

    Liberals have figured out that conservatives have a slavish devotion to symbols and uniforms. So when an institution is “converged”, conservatives will still display residual loyalty (with memories of what the institution once was).

    The aesthetics of 20th century fascism brought military regalia into civilian politics as a “redemption arc”.

    In XXI century USA, conservatives should be the one burning the flag, and demanding that liberals openly make the rainbow flag the new flag. (Note: The rainbow flag is the appropriation of God from Genesis, it does not rightfully belong to degenerates).

  35. 216 says: • Website
    @unit472

    Black pols were the ones that banned Amazon Go from being cashless.

    I also suspect quiet backdoor lobbying by Asian emigre bodega owners.

  36. 216 says: • Website
    @cosMICjester

    The US military isn’t as competent as it used to be. Arguably its at the worst during the volunteer post-WWII era, excepting the immediate post-Vietnam years.

    We are losing ships at sea, and in port; during peacetime.

    The F-35 program is behind schedule and over-budget, and doesn’t do what was promised.

    The new aircraft carrier is not in service, and can’t use the F-35 without more expensive modification.

    Increasing numbers of the military are overweight.

    The Army is so scared of Russian body armor that its adopting a new rifle with too much recoil for their beloved women to shoot reliably.

    Despite increasing Wokeness, white liberals still show no signs of increased enlistment, vital for dragging average competence up.

  37. anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    Hopefully Chauvin will be a one-off.

    I recommend all young people get a secondary skill in global demand just in case life here becomes untenable. Be prepared.

  38. @Bill

    It happens that I gave up on The Wall Street Journal a year ago, so now it’s The Epoch Times for me, less competent and more falungonged, but willing to report news from a normal perspective an ordinary person can appreciate.

    Now, you don’t care what I read, but I mention it because the difference in quality between readers’ comments at The Epoch Times and readers’ comments at The Unz Review is vast. Epoch:

    Is everyone hasn’t figured it out yet they could give a flying crapp about our well being this lockdown and masks have nothing to do with a virus it’s all about 100% control and to ruin the middle class with the rich are literally getting richer by the day and the poorer are getting poorer it’s called socialism look it up.

    Unz:

    The thing is, with human enforcement, there really isn’t enforcement unless you look like someone the cops want to pull over or you are going 20mph over the speed limit. I’m happy to pay the state trooper $100K so that I don’t have to obey the speed limit.

    Whatever one might think of the driving style in question, your comment is interesting. The other, not so much.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Thanks: Bill
  39. @Twinkie

    Yep. I have a few doctors in the family. They are very loud and clear that unless you’re a surgeon (very intense internship and residency) or a specialist, don’t do it.

  40. songbird says:

    I wonder what it would read in Japan, where policing is, in general, not very necessary. Or the UK where the police covered up numerous grooming scandals.

    I also get the impression that there’s a lot more corruption in urban police forces in the US now, due to demographic changes, so some of the decline in perception may be extraneous to a social justice lens.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  41. @216

    Who cares. Not my country, not my military.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  42. Anonymous[741] • Disclaimer says:

    Not unimportantly, such an economic package enables him to attract a quality white prole wife.

    No, you can get white women working at the dollar store. They aren’t picky, because they don’t have many options. Prole men merely settle for white women, what they really wanted was Asian or Hispanic.


    “Quality white woman” is on oxymoron

    • Agree: JohnPlywood
    • Troll: Audacious Epigone
  43. Aninymous says:

    Police departments are generally becoming whiter than the communities they serve; past few years have exacerbated anti-police sentiment among minorities. The number of departments becoming less white is smaller than the number becoming more white.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  44. @songbird

    I know nothing about it. However, …

    Or the UK where the police covered up numerous grooming scandals.

    That was so incredible, it was, well, hard to credit. The story was weird. Seeing it repeated in the media over and over and over again only made it weirder. It was sensational but did not seem to add up, so to speak. However, I am an American, know little of Pakistanis, know hardly more of Yorkshiremen, and do not understand the context.

    Did the Rotherham scandal actually happen? If it did, then did the actual events bear much resemblance to the narrative?

    Do you know anything about it? I mean, anything other than that which one can glean between photos of last decade’s actresses at the beach “flaunting their enviable curves” in The Daily Mail?

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Charlotte
  45. anon[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    •Troll

    • Disagree: JohnPlywood
  46. Mark G. says:
    @Daniel H

    Because fairly intelligent, on the ball white proles have so few economic options. Same reason the state can rely upon a steady supply of fighting soldiers. Steady paycheck, full health (through retirement too), and a pension after 20 years service is powerfully attractive to a white prole.

    Yes, that’s true both among the soldiers and the support branch staffed by civilian workers. I’m in the civilian part of the military and have been for forty years. I’ve worked with many soldiers and their spouses. Many civilian workers who work on military bases are spouses of military personnel assigned there.

    These are mostly average but decent people who had limited economic opportunities when they graduated from high school because of the loss of factory jobs and office jobs to overseas competition. They signed up for economic reasons and as a bonus they got to protect the country, something they wanted to do. They didn’t sign up because they wanted to go overseas to fight neocon wars. When Ron Paul ran in the Republican primaries he got more political donations from military members than any other candidate. Dr. Paul had a proper understanding of the purpose of the military.

    • Disagree: JohnPlywood
  47. nebulafox says:

    I expect an explosion of privatized security for the affluent in the US, a la Brazil. What? You really think all the affluent liberals aren’t gonna make sure their asses are OK as the police are attacked? That people who can’t afford such things are also being given more obstacles to purchasing weapons themselves… no accident, there, I suspect.

    There are countries where being a policeman is considered vaguely disrespectable. But this is usually due to high levels of corruption and usage of torture, rather than ideology. Not much of an analogue to be made there.

    (To be fair, in some of these places, the cops are going up against criminal syndicates with political connections on very low salaries. In a few of these nations-India comes to mind-said criminal syndicates can get involved in bombings that will kill a lot of people, as has happened in Mumbai over the decades. I’m not going to outright defend horrible interrogation methods, because I don’t have the right as someone who has never himself been tortured-I defer to people I’ve known who have-but what would you do in such a situation where hundreds of lives could be saved by breaking one person?)

  48. nebulafox says:
    @res

    It’s probably not a good idea, given my… idiosyncracies, but one thing this blog has made me aware of is that the obstacles to having kids are nowhere near as infallible as pop culture makes them out to be. It takes work to ensure that you can make them turn out to be good, honorable men and women than it used to, I suppose, but it shouldn’t be impossible, even if you can’t afford to homeschool.

    Taking place in the context of a broader deprogramming from what you’ve been incubated in, value-wise, as a whole of course.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  49. @Mark G.

    Yeah, you’re a liar who is hopelessly trying to spread nonsense about the U.S. military, despite having never stepped foot on a military base, because the military’s strength and the enthusiasm of American troops to fight wars intimidates you on a deeply psychological level, as a weak man.

    The U.S. military has evolved in to the most professional in the world and generally attracts above-average white males who are longing for a life of action rather than sitting in front of a computer all day (the kind of job they could easily obtain). Also, no one but members of the underclass have ever wanted to work in factory.

    https://www.ifn.se/wfiles/wp/wp965.pdf

    Historically, the American armed forces were disproportionally drawn from lower  socioeconomic backgrounds. A transition toward a smaller and more selective military has  changed this tendency. Since the armed forces do not gather data on recruits’ family income,  previous studies relied on geographic data to proxy for economic background. We improve on  previous literature using individual-level data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth  1997 and study population representativeness in the years 1997–2011.

    We find that recruits score higher than the civilian population on cognitive skill tests, and come  from households with above average median parental income and wealth. Moreover, both the  lowest and highest parental income categories are under-represented. Higher skill test scores  increase enlistment rates from lower- and middle-income families while decreasing them for  high income families. The over-representation of minorities in the military has declined in recent  decades.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    , @Boomthorkell
  50. songbird says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    It’s been a while since I’ve resorted to mainstream news, so I’m not sure what the mainstream contemporary narrative was. Also, I find the DailyMail reprehensible. They play a funny game where they seem to promote a bit of venting about immigration, while simultaneously promoting Nazi hobgoblins.

    Did the Rotherham scandal actually happen?

    This is something where there was a lot of DNA evidence and witnesses and a paper trail. It is definitely not a case of hysteria. It has happened in many other places too, with basically the same MO.

    https://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-bbc-drama-three-girls-catharsis-for.html

    It is Pakistanis. They target prole white girls, in areas where there are a lot of broken families or single mothers.

    European girls evolved to live in a patriarchal society. And European man evolved to live in a clan society. Without those things, there are negative consequences, especially when one is flooded with hostile, parasitical aliens.

    The really incredible thing is that, as far as I know, nobody in the police or government was ever held accountable for it. In Rochdale, a similar case, some of the men are back on the street already. As far as I am concerned, there should be mass deportations, the entire population should be sent back from the whole of Europe, and they should be given travel bans, so they can never enter it, even to visit.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  51. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    Prole men merely settle for white women, what they really wanted was Asian or Hispanic.

    What’s the top category in that graph (which I linked several times in the past)? Of what race is the wife side?

    For that matter, look at the other races. Do you see a pattern? Hispanic (husband)-white (wife) has a substantially higher income than Hispanic-Hispanic. Black-white has higher than black-black, as does Asian-white over Asian-Asian.

    It means Asian, black, and Hispanic men with white wives have a higher household income than those with the same race wives (for that matter, white men with nonwhite wives have higher income than white-white households).

    Guess what? It’s the same thing with the women. Black women who marry white men have higher household income than black women who marry black men. Hispanic women who marry whites also have a higher income than those who marry Hispanic men.

    The only place where this diverges is with white women who marry black or Hispanic men.

    To summarize, what this table shows is that lower class white women are more likely to marry blacks or Hispanics than upper or middle class white women. Middle class white women overwhelmingly marry white men. And upper class white women are more likely to marry Asian men than middle or lower class white women do.

    It’s simply assortative marriage in action. That’s all.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  52. Bill: “Most everyone serves the system, though. ”

    A fair point, but still, there’s a big difference between being a system thug like Chauvin and others who are only peripherally involved. And what about the criminals? Perhaps you would say that they too, in their way, serve the system, but defining participation that broadly leaves no room for opposition. Above, someone else objects to my saying that white people in general think the police are good guys, but I think just perusing the comments here on Unz shows I’m right. Amazing how many people support this guy. Some of them support Chauvin just because he’s white, but of course, Chauvin wouldn’t have returned the favor. Chauvin the system thug would have had no problem with kneeling on a white guy’s neck and killing him, especially if the guy were a white supremacist; and for that, he probably would have got a promotion instead of a murder conviction.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  53. Twinkie says:
    @nebulafox

    even if you can’t afford to homeschool.

    The Fatzingers homeschooled lots of kids while the husband was making $50k a year (until he was about 40). He’s in his early 50’s and he only makes $100k a year. In the region where they live, that is firmly in the middle class (perhaps even on the lower middle class side). They have homeschooled 16 kids (although I think their oldest daughter is out of school and is married now).

    Money is really not a barrier.

    However, if you don’t have a supportive community, even having lots of money is still hard (because raising and homeschooling kids without help will wear on you and you can only throw money at it up to a point) – though, paradoxically, it does get easier with more kids, money or no.

    And it’s difficult to have this kind of a mutually-supportive and non-competitive community without religion. As sociologists have discovered, religion and military service are two of the greatest social cohesion-generating structures in human society (combining the two is even better!).

    I find this funny – when my wife and I were starting out in homeschooling years and years ago, we surveyed many of the homeschooling groups. All the religious ones are still operating (including Muslim ones though most are Christian, of course). Most of the atheist ones (few to begin with) are gone.

  54. Charlotte says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Here’s the official report on the Rotherham scandal, all 159 pages of it https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham

    It wasn’t just Rotherham, either. Similar situations existed in a number of British cities.

    [MORE]

    From the executive summary

    No one knows the true scale of child sexual exploitation (CSE) in Rotherham over the years. Our conservative estimate is that approximately 1400 children were sexually exploited over the full Inquiry period, from 1997 to 2013.
    In just over a third of cases, children affected by sexual exploitation were previously known to services because of child protection and neglect. It is hard to describe the appalling nature of the abuse that child victims suffered. They were raped by multiple perpetrators, trafficked to other towns and cities in the north of England, abducted, beaten, and intimidated. There were examples of children who had been doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight, threatened with guns, made to witness brutally violent rapes and threatened they would be next if they told anyone. Girls as young as 11 were raped by large numbers of male perpetrators.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  55. nebulafox says:
    @Twinkie

    Even all these years of working in tech later and knowing a lot of people who make a lot more money than that, 100K being anything other than at least upper-middle class is still something really difficult for me to wrap my head around. But never mind that…

    Yeah, that makes sense. Not just with homeschooling, but with child-rearing in particular. I refuse to use the term “village” for obvious reasons, and obviously not in that sense… but it does take more than an atomized household to do it effectively. I suppose that’s why Singapore likes the idea of three generations in the same housing block, however much that hasn’t worked in practice.

    Anyway, since military service was a no-go (I’m banned) for me, that leaves religion. Is it honest to do this in part to fight against social atomization, especially if the option immediately on the table is a religion which you have a lot of intellectual reservations about? (I’m not talking about Catholicism.)

    And speaking of military service, aren’t most Americans under the age of 30 unqualified for one reason or another from enlisting?

    >Most of the atheist ones (few to begin with) are gone.

    I’m more surprised that there were atheist ones to begin with. Maybe it was different back then, but most atheists out here who are married with kids are lefty types on board with the novo-CR in local schools.

    (The non-woke atheists tend to fit my own former social profile: too compulsively logical to genuinely accept woke pieties, lacking the social skills to not voice incredulity or fake wokeness effectively. Not exactly the most fecund breed, as you might imagine.)

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Wency
  56. Twinkie says:
    @nebulafox

    100K being anything other than at least upper-middle class

    I had lunch with a bunch of Amazon Web Services project managers once. When they talked salaries, my jaw dropped. Some of those guys made more than neurosurgeons! I guess, in retrospect, it makes sense since they are basically artificial brain surgeons.

    Is it honest to do this in part to fight against social atomization

    When my wife and I converted, we did so for different reasons. Mine was an intellectual and mystical conversion (though I had a hard time with the Sacrament of Eucharist). Hers was more social-communal. She loved the parish community, the homeschooling groups, the sense of fraternity and camaraderie. Eventually she came to accept all the teachings, but it was the community that ignited the flame for her.

    If you fall in love with the people of God, you will also fall in love with God.

    That said, I must recommend Catholicism highly. 😉

    I’m more surprised that there were atheist ones to begin with.

    You want to know something really funny? The founder of a major atheist homeschooling group here was a non-practicing, secular Jew. When he left the group, it fell apart.

    Do you know what happened to him? He converted to Catholicism (his wife was a non-practicing “cradle” Catholic and she returned to the Church with him).

    We’ll get ya anyway we can! 😉

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  57. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    What’s the top category in that graph (which I linked several times in the past)? Of what race is the wife side?

    Doesn’t matter. AMWF is the odd man out, and the income is largely driven by the fact that white women in these relationships are usually higher earning than average — if I remember correctly the women in AMWF out-earned their husbands, which is unusual.

    The WMAF couples involve quite a few relationships in which wife makes significantly less than her white husband. Hence, AMWF males are not more upscale than WMAF males.

    To summarize, what this table shows is that lower class white women are more likely to marry blacks or Hispanics than upper or middle class white women. Middle class white women overwhelmingly marry white men. And upper class white women are more likely to marry Asian men than middle or lower class white women do.

    Absurd, the chart says nothing of the sort.

    What it says is that relationships involving a white female are weighted more towards the downscale, while those involving a nonwhite female are more upscale. That is all.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  58. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Above, someone else objects to my saying that white people in general think the police are good guys, but I think just perusing the comments here on Unz shows I’m right. Amazing how many people support this guy.

    It’s very difficult to get conservatives/right-wingers to give up cop worship. Their overwhelming instinct is to support the cops unhesitatingly and unthinkingly. If they allowed themselves to entertain doubts about the police their whole mental universes would collapse.

    And if a white cop is accused of wrong-doing they just automatically believe he must be innocent.

    Like liberals they have a narrative to which they cling regardless of any evidence that contradicts that narrative.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  59. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    Doesn’t matter.

    I’m afraid dismissal by a hand wave is not a convincing debate technique.

    if I remember correctly the women in AMWF out-earned their husbands, which is unusual.

    Citation/source, please.

    The WMAF couples involve quite a few relationships in which wife makes significantly less than her white husband.

    There is no evidence that the husband-wife income gap among WMAF couples is any greater than those of others. The only data I’m aware is that the younger cohorts of WMAF are much more assortatively married (as AMWF couples are), because war brides are almost exclusively concentrated in the older cohorts.

    Stop making assertions with no evidence.

  60. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Have you started wishing for a defeat of the USG forces yet?

  61. Mark G. says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Yeah, you’re a liar who is hopelessly trying to spread nonsense about the U.S. military, despite having never stepped foot on a military base, because the military’s strength and the enthusiasm of American troops to fight wars intimidates you on a deeply psychological level, as a weak man.

    Wanting to defend your country and being enthusiastic about invading other countries that never attacked you are not the same thing. Ron Paul agreed with the former but not the latter and military members agreed with that and gave him the most political donations until he dropped out of the presidential race.

    https://thinkprogress.org/military-shift-campaign-donations-from-ron-paul-to-obama-in-march-be00df19f38/

    People who are most eager to start wars are often chicken hawks who want to send others off to die in wars but avoided military service when it was their time to go.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hamill-romney-chicken-hawk-article-1.1172487

    Yes, I’ve worked on a military base. I’ve known many soldiers and met their wives and children. I have no desire to see those soldiers sent off to die in a war to maintain an empire, leaving behind widows and children without a father.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
  62. If law enforcement is in your blood, find a sane sheriff’s department under the leadership of a person who doesn’t hate his deputies or his constituents and serve there.

    If such exists. Look at the Pentland situation.

    Perhaps Chauvin deserved the convictions, not just for willingly becoming a cog in an evil machine, but for failing to engage in actions that may have preserved George Floyd’s life. There is no way to know now, though. The unprecedented amount of social, cultural, and political pressure brought to bear on the case has made it impossible.

    AE, thank you for being a voice of sanity in the howling wilderness. It’s because of the schoolmarm that I feel free to make a case that I couldn’t anywhere else. Which is this:

    The situation is way more dire than we can imagine. Let’s say-only for the sake of argument, so bear with me–that Chauvin really was guilty, and got what he deserved.

    Then the system worked, right? Dirty, bad cop got what was coming to him. The sane progressive response to that would have been something like, “We’ve got work to do. Let’s build on this,” and move on. That’s what the progs of yesteryear would have said. They would have realized that this is a very touchy situation & their best course of action would be to pour water on the flames. Yes, I realize that they would not let up in substance for a moment, but they didn’t believe in burning down the house. The president in past years would have said something bland about “justice being done” and that would have been that.

    Not now. The Squad is pouring oil, the media is pouring oil, and the president is saying this for the whole world to hear:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/04/21/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-on-the-verdict-in-the-derek-chauvin-trial-for-the-death-of-george-floyd/

    That’s a transcript. I heard the presser and the words he spoke were even worse than what the WH released. I’m not going to look it up on YouTube but Biden stated that the US was a racist country “for the whole world to see.”

    The President of the United States said, for Russia and China to see, that we are a racist, evil country.

    If you want to date the downfall of the Republic, use that press conference. I used to have a little bit of hope for the future of this country. I now have none.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  63. @Anonymous

    Misleading graph.

    The black/white couples that are married tend to be the cream of the black/white couple world. A lot of black/white couples are temp shackups.

    Usually when I white woman has a kid by a black man she will be a single mother.

  64. AE: “Perhaps Chauvin deserved the convictions, not just for willingly becoming a cog in an evil machine, …”

    Characterizing the so-called “justice” system as a machine is a good metaphor. But a little examination shows that the opposition that was set up between an evidence-based system and a narrative-based system is false on more than one level. People unacquainted with the workings of this machine imagine that if they are arrested for some crime that there will necessarily be a trial, but actually well over 90% of cases never go to trial, and instead are settled with a plea bargain. This by no means indicates that everyone is guilty as charged, because since the potential penalties for most offenses are severe, and since a paying a lawyer to defend against the charge is enormously expensive, most people will plead out just to avoid the risk and the expense. In other words, the process itself is the punishment. The role that thugs like Chauvin play is to feed bodies into this particular wood chipper. But there is never any dispassionate examination of evidence, no search for truth in the vast majority of cases.

    Another problem, at least in the USA, is that the system is adversarial. The defense wants an acquittal, whereas the prosecution will do anything to achieve a conviction. Considerations of truth or the facts of the matter are of secondary importance, and “justice”, if such a thing even exists at all, is only an accidental by-product of the machine’s operation.

  65. @Twinkie

    “The Fatzingers homeschooled lots of kids while the husband was making $50k a year (until he was about 40). He’s in his early 50’s and he only makes $100k a year. In the region where they live, that is firmly in the middle class (perhaps even on the lower middle class side). They have homeschooled 16 kids (although I think their oldest daughter is out of school and is married now).

    Money is really not a barrier.”

    This is such a F’n top level comment thread.

    Everyone says they see no way forward and no way out.

    This sort of thing is a way forward!

  66. nebulafox says:
    @dfordoom

    Well, I can vouch for the fact that being homeless gives you a pretty quick introduction to the negative side of beat cops.

    But trust me: the “disband the police” crowd are way, way more dangerous than the cop worshippers. It’s no accident that the people in the former are disproportionately from people who can afford property security.

    It’s also no accident that they are simultaneously making it harder for less-than-affluent people to afford guns at the same time as the police are being attacked, in my estimation.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  67. nebulafox says:
    @Twinkie

    >I had lunch with a bunch of Amazon Web Services project managers once. When they talked salaries, my jaw dropped. Some of those guys made more than neurosurgeons! I guess, in retrospect, it makes sense since they are basically artificial brain surgeons.

    Oh, yeah. Complete with neurologically rewiring Americans toward compulsive addictions that can be harder to crack than any chemical.

    You usually don’t get paid as much to actually code as to manage. But the money you get paid is still ridiculous enough that you don’t have to care. Which is good, because I’d be a profoundly terrible manager. Excellent mismanager, maybe.

    (Amazon’s work culture *sucks*, though!)

    Of course, this all bears into the question of how long fiat currency is going to last…

    >If you fall in love with the people of God, you will also fall in love with God.

    Seems to be that way for most people. Certainly that’s the default for women, which kind of makes sense. Not just in Christianity,either, from my experience.

    But it is the truth? I don’t care about being rewarded in an afterlife: it’s more, I don’t want to compulsively be what I have been in life so far in death, as you see in the Inferno. (The dead can’t dissemble.) And while the community aspects are nice, they aren’t as much of a motivating factor for me personally as for most people. I really want the truth. And I’m not being cynical: all I know is that I don’t know much.

    >We’ll get ya anyway we can!

    Stranger things have happened. Let’s see how the next decade goes.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    , @dfordoom
  68. RSDB says:
    @nebulafox

    But it is the truth? I don’t care about being rewarded in an afterlife, and while the community aspects are nice, they aren’t a motivating factor. I just seek the truth. All I know is that I don’t know much.

    At least according to Christians, the Way, the Truth, and the Life are the same thing and of the same source.

    I don’t care about being rewarded in an afterlife

    Do you take steps to better yourself in this life? Would you call the results rewards?

    It would be rather ridiculous of me to attempt to advise anyone on life decisions, so I won’t.

  69. dfordoom says: • Website
    @nebulafox

    But trust me: the “disband the police” crowd are way, way more dangerous than the cop worshippers. It’s no accident that the people in the former are disproportionately from people who can afford property security.

    I think both are dangerous because both attitudes make rational debate impossible.

    I’m certainly not in the “disband the police” camp. I regard the police as a necessary evil in an imperfect world. And I certainly don’t think the cops are always wrong. They’re not always right, but they’re not always wrong.

  70. dfordoom says: • Website
    @nebulafox

    >If you fall in love with the people of God, you will also fall in love with God.

    Seems to be that way for most people.

    My problem is that I just can’t fall in love with the people of God.

    My problem is with Christians, not with Christianity.

    Some Christians are very fine people and some are very nice people but Christianity includes a substantial body of people that I find very uncongenial. I find it hard to like Christians overall, although I do like some Christians.

    On balance I find atheists to be more pleasant than Christians.

    Maybe it’s just me. Maybe there’s something about people who are True Believers that turns me off. People who are True Believers make me uncomfortable, regardless of what it is that they believe in.

    • LOL: Yahya K.
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  71. nebulafox: “It’s also no accident that they are simultaneously making it harder for less-than-affluent people to afford guns at the same time as the police are being attacked, in my estimation. ”

    It’ll be interesting to see how quickly the cop worshipers change their opinion about the police when President Harris sends her goons house to house searching for guns.

  72. dfordoom: “It’s very difficult to get conservatives/right-wingers to give up cop worship. Their overwhelming instinct is to support the cops unhesitatingly and unthinkingly.”

    It’s part of the white man’s authoritarian personality, according to some. A cross-cultural study would be in order to determine if this attitude is common all over the world or more or less restricted to white people and the kind societies they build.

    dfordoom: “If they allowed themselves to entertain doubts about the police their whole mental universes would collapse.”

    Cognitive dissonance. Very painful for most people.

    dfordoom: “I regard the police as a necessary evil in an imperfect world.”

    I agree they’re a necessary part of a technological society, at least as man is currently constituted. But then, I’m not a big fan of technological society, or of the police.

  73. @dfordoom

    Some Christians are very fine people and some are very nice people but Christianity includes a substantial body of people that I find very uncongenial. I find it hard to like Christians overall, although I do like some Christians.

    Yeah. Unfortunately, I know what you mean. It depends on the particular Christian but there does exist an easily identifiable, unpleasant type. The type is not rare.

  74. @Sick of Orcs

    Sick, Absolutely right. And the cops need to stay in the car, and leave the scene if the perps (or spectators, or victims, or anyone) are negroes. Just key the microphone on the nice digital comm unit and politely describe the situation, noting that your white skin disqualifies you from performing this duty, and that you are available for the next call that comes up. You will be at the local Krispy Kreme, awaiting assignment. Officer jones out.

    Failure to folow that line of action means an immediate end to any sympathy or protection from society. Choose wisely, you boys in blue. Remember that speech the Mr. Reagan made all those years ago? Watch it and remember what choice all those people made. Don’t follow them.

    • Thanks: Sick of Orcs
  75. Wency says:
    @nebulafox

    I’m more surprised that there were atheist ones to begin with. Maybe it was different back then, but most atheists out here who are married with kids are lefty types on board with the novo-CR in local schools.

    This has been an interesting exchange between you and Twinkie, but I’ll share that an old friend and his wife are de facto atheists who are homeschooling. More properly, I suppose I’d say they’re something like agnostics that don’t practice anything, don’t have a huge beef with religion but also aren’t inclined to give much mind to spiritual matters and don’t want to raise their kids with religion. Not Woke either, not really very political at the macro level but have a lot of idiosyncratic beliefs at the local level.

    The reason they’re homeschooling is that they’re living in a very country, Trumpy sort of place that’s on the very, very far outskirts of their home metro area. They chose this place because they wanted to raise the kids on a huge patch of land, and that’s what they bought. But the local culture is somewhat alien to them. So together with a few other not-very-religious migrants from the nearby metropolis, they put together a homeschooling co-op.

  76. @JohnPlywood

    That military better bust out some pyramid-saucers if they go to war with Russia, Iran, and China. Knowing a guy in it, our Special Forces are spread too thin and going to have a Hell of a time against theirs, that and the new recruits are not a strong class (which goes to show how weak Americans have become.)

    We can take bets, though, or bragging rights, at least, on who wins.

    Despite existing on the “same side”, I wish yours luck.

    You should join them, though. You might have some time to help guard some poppy fields, blow up a wedding, shoot an Arab, or try to show a Ukrainian how to plant explosives before the real war starts. Represent! USA USA USA! NEOLIBERAL GLOBALISM FOR LIFE!

  77. @Altai

    The vast majority of speeders are not driving dangerously. That there is such thing as driving too fast does not mean that most speed limits are sensible.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  78. @V. K. Ovelund

    Whether Chauvin ‘should’ have been found guilty on any or all–okay, all three is difficult for me to understand, but there is presumably some legal reasoning behind it–counts is unknown to me. I only saw a small amount of the trial.

    The travesties of justice are found in the environment surrounding the trial: An unsequestered jury, a city paying out an eight-figure sum to the family before the verdict, the mayor, the president, and a powerful congresswoman calling for a verdict in a trial they weren’t a part of, a baying mob outside holding a city hostage if the verdict came out differently than they demanded it come out.

    Similar to the presidential election, I’m cynically agnostic on the legitimacy of the process precisely because the powers that be worked so hard to prevent the processes from playing out the way they were intended to.

  79. @Mark G.

    He also received more in donations than any other Republican from cops. Most of them don’t want to be shot or throw people in cages over marijuana.

  80. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    The vast majority of speeders are not driving dangerously. That there is such thing as driving too fast does not mean that most speed limits are sensible.

    Speed limits are to a large extent simply a hidden tax on motorists.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  81. @Twinkie

    As sociologists have discovered, religion and military service are two of the greatest social cohesion-generating structures in human society

    One of the most pithily insightful things Matt Yglesias has ever said was along the lines of “if the left thinks they hate the right, just wait until they meet the irreligious right”. This was several years ago.

    • Replies: @Wency
  82. @Paperback Writer

    Russia, China, and any other country at odds with the USG can effortlessly throw USG accusations of human rights violations, etc back at the American empire’s face. You admit to systemic civil rights abuses running through every nook and cranny of your society and you’re going to lecture us?!

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  83. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    Russia, China, and any other country at odds with the USG can effortlessly throw USG accusations of human rights violations, etc back at the American empire’s face. You admit to systemic civil rights abuses running through every nook and cranny of your society and you’re going to lecture us?!

    It’s more and more necessary to master the art of holding two contradictory beliefs at the same time. The United States is a thoroughly evil society riddled with racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia and filled with fascists and knuckle-dragging Deplorable trash.

    Also, America is the most virtuous and enlightened society on the planet and has a right and a duty to impose its values on the rest of the planet by force if necessary.

    It seems that many Americans have no trouble simultaneously holding both those beliefs.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    , @Wency
  84. @dfordoom

    Some Americans may be able to simultaneously hold these contradictory beliefs, but there’s no reason any other country should defer to them. China and Russia have already had some fun with this–I expect that is only the beginning.

  85. Wency says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Pretty sure that was Douthat. Sounds way too insightful for Yglesias. He’s the one who said that mobs of anti-Semites will lynch Jews with impunity if Trump is elected.

  86. Wency says:
    @dfordoom

    For the most part Neocons only care about foreign policy and Wokeists domestic, so they can peacefully co-exist. But I don’t think too many people feel strongly in support of both sets of beliefs. But they might mouth both sets of platitudes to get by.

  87. dfordoom says: • Website

    For the most part Neocons only care about foreign policy and Wokeists domestic, so they can peacefully co-exist. But I don’t think too many people feel strongly in support of both sets of beliefs. But they might mouth both sets of platitudes to get by.

    That’s possible.

    What really depresses me is that a lot of people don’t suffer from cognitive dissonance. They seem to be genuinely unaware that they are simultaneously holding contradictory viewpoints.

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