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Mr. Unz recently instituted a new rule on commenting that permits a per-hour maximum of three comments on any single post and ten comments anywhere on The Unz Review. Some of the regulars here have the celerity of mind and dexterity of digits to brush up against those parameters, so if they may apply to you, please copy the comments you are attempting to leave before trying to publish them so that you are able to successfully do so once the time limit has expired.

 
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  1. the celerity of mind

    At first glance, I read that as “a celery of a mind”!

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    That's one, buddy. Better make the next two count.
    , @PetrOldSack
    The problem, in the first place, points to mean cognitive ability, thrifting and paid agendas of the commenters. There should rather be a limit on articles per year of dull authors.

    Dull pieces attract dim and thick comments.

  2. Mr. Unz may do as he pleases, but I suspect this will leave us poorer for information. Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.

    • Agree: byrresheim
    • Replies: @216
    Comments on the Steve blog remain in the freezer for sometimes days, fwiw.
    , @iffen
    Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.

    That's not a nice thing to say right here in front of the schoolmarm.
    , @byrresheim
    If our gracious host would allow a few more expressions of agreement ...
    , @Rex Little

    Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.
     
    Often that's the faintest praise possible.
  3. Mr. Unz recently instituted a new rule on commenting that permits a per-hour maximum

    Aha! We finally see the much-awaited result of RUnzie Baby’s ‘important software work’.

    He didn’t disappoint.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Yeah. Now we see the violence inherent in the system.

    From behind the curtain: *Stupid Goy!*

    Ooh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you hear him repressing me? You heard it, didn't you?

  4. @Ash Williams
    Mr. Unz may do as he pleases, but I suspect this will leave us poorer for information. Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.

    Comments on the Steve blog remain in the freezer for sometimes days, fwiw.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    Help me out here...I'm not familiar with the "in the freezer" expression...what does this mean? Are you saying that the comments there have been trash for a while, or are you implying that they've been high quality all this time?
  5. Failing to (a) announce this limit and (b) provide a warning at the time the “Reply” link is clicked is unforgiveable.  It is truly shit-level behavior.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    Failing to (a) announce this limit and (b) provide a warning at the time the “Reply” link is clicked is unforgiveable. It is truly shit-level behavior.
     
    So, you won't be making your usual donation this month?
  6. One doesn’t like to be rude by insulting one’s host, but there is something very weird about Ron Unz.

    For me, this place started jumping the shark when Ron ramped up his “American Pravda” series and began salting the website with an increasing number of Jew-blaming columnists. As I’ve mentioned before, I pretty much detest everything about Jews, Judaism, and the state of Israel; but I find those subjects to be ones of such unbearable tedium that I have no interest in talking about them; and at any rate, blaming Jews for Western problems is about as pathetic as it gets.

    Meanwhile, every single episode of American Pravda is so plan-uniform and formulaic that you can easily foresee the whole content of the thing before you even read it. Ron starts out:

    “Well, up until recently I had no reason to doubt anything my school books had taught me about [whatever]. You see, I was completely absorbed with my Very Important Software Work (VISW)™, and I just didn’t have the time to look deeply into a matter I wasn’t really that interested in. But then, miraculously and in just a few weeks, I began discovering all these conspiracy theories that completely invalidated my prior worldview. Most surprising of all was the prominent role played by Jewish Americans in plotting to do [whatever] and suppressing the awareness of it. Oh, what a fool I’d been, but that is just another page in the annals of Our American Pravda.”

    Now, all of this is so blatantly on the nose that it as to be a ploy of some kind. But a ploy to do what exactly?

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Disagree: BengaliCanadianDude
    • Replies: @Realist

    One doesn’t like to be rude by insulting one’s host, but there is something very weird about Ron Unz.
     
    Yes, indeed.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Agreed, I.D. Your quoted paragraph is a great parody of the theme of every article I've read by him*! That VISW (TM)** is hilarious too. LOL (trying not to run out here).

    I've written this before, but I believe Mr. Unz is TOO openminded. I know that sounds weird, but it's just that he will take some shady business that has happened (and does all the time), look into*** the most wild theories about how the truth was misrepresented (as it often is), and go down some deep rabbit hole. He never goes back to some other material that may represent a counter-argument or just some basic common sense.

    I like Mr. Unz's open-mindedness to some degree, with his allowing all types to post articles here. (As a former Russian of some sort, he's absolutely GOTTA know that the Commie writers are full of shit, but yet ... they write ... ) Good on him. Just as good is his top-notch quality site. Usability is 10/10.

    Actually, what I think is the problem is that Mr. Unz has picked up the extreme anti-all-things-American attitude of some of the writers and commenters of his. That's what I find sick, erroneous, and disgraceful.

    .


    * Oh, except for the ones that explain things like why the fuck you can't write more than 3 comments in an hour under one article.

    ** For the life of me, I can't seem to do superscripts in comments here.. Do you have to write "superscript" and "subscript" all the way out in the tags?

    ** and apparently he's a veracious reader, so by "look into", I mean read 10 or 15 books about. That should have been in your parody paragraph, I.D.: "So, I read 14 books yesterday about this, and now I'm pretty sure ..."

    , @El Dato
    Maybe it's marketing for a new HBO series that will be announced soon-ish?
    , @Thomm

    Now, all of this is so blatantly on the nose that it as to be a ploy of some kind. But a ploy to do what exactly?
     
    I have explained what the ploy is many times before :

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/there-be-reelection/#comment-3339592

    Many other commenters agree with me as well :

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/there-be-reelection/#comment-3349218

    , @peterAUS

    ....But a ploy to do what exactly?...
     
    I hope that's a rhetorical question.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The contours of the delivery are familiar, but the content itself is usually exceptionally unique.

    What many readers may not realize is that Ron spends most of his waking hours on UR in some form or another. Most of that time is archival work. His MO is to digitize as much historical content as possible that would otherwise be lost to time--effectively if not literally. He is especially interested in things that were deemed big stories at the time but are no longer remembered.

    In the course of doing this--his "software work"--he comes across all sorts of unusual or surprising things and the American Pravda series is a consequence of this.

    He self-funds (with the exception of the patreon subscribers who are much appreciated I'm sure) the entire project and all that goes into it.
  7. Every right wing site has at least one crazy uncle who spams badly formatted, barely coherent comments filled with lame, made-up jargon. Unz seems to have several.

  8. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Unz recently instituted a new rule on commenting that permits a per-hour maximum of three comments on any single post and ten comments anywhere on The Unz Review.

    This is an okay rule for a site with no comment moderation but bad idea with one with moderation(like Sailer blog).

  9. @Mr. Rational
    Failing to (a) announce this limit and (b) provide a warning at the time the "Reply" link is clicked is unforgiveable.  It is truly shit-level behavior.

    Failing to (a) announce this limit and (b) provide a warning at the time the “Reply” link is clicked is unforgiveable. It is truly shit-level behavior.

    So, you won’t be making your usual donation this month?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Any excuse to post this!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtdEeI-B21A
  10. @Intelligent Dasein
    One doesn't like to be rude by insulting one's host, but there is something very weird about Ron Unz.

    For me, this place started jumping the shark when Ron ramped up his "American Pravda" series and began salting the website with an increasing number of Jew-blaming columnists. As I've mentioned before, I pretty much detest everything about Jews, Judaism, and the state of Israel; but I find those subjects to be ones of such unbearable tedium that I have no interest in talking about them; and at any rate, blaming Jews for Western problems is about as pathetic as it gets.

    Meanwhile, every single episode of American Pravda is so plan-uniform and formulaic that you can easily foresee the whole content of the thing before you even read it. Ron starts out:

    "Well, up until recently I had no reason to doubt anything my school books had taught me about [whatever]. You see, I was completely absorbed with my Very Important Software Work (VISW)™, and I just didn't have the time to look deeply into a matter I wasn't really that interested in. But then, miraculously and in just a few weeks, I began discovering all these conspiracy theories that completely invalidated my prior worldview. Most surprising of all was the prominent role played by Jewish Americans in plotting to do [whatever] and suppressing the awareness of it. Oh, what a fool I'd been, but that is just another page in the annals of Our American Pravda."

    Now, all of this is so blatantly on the nose that it as to be a ploy of some kind. But a ploy to do what exactly?

    One doesn’t like to be rude by insulting one’s host, but there is something very weird about Ron Unz.

    Yes, indeed.

  11. I ran into this on a trip and thought it was just a buggy IP-number thing – maybe for SPAM avoidance.

    Now, I was about to post a 4th comment under an iSteve post, and got this crap. I wanted to experiment and came to your new post, A.E., which coincidentally was about this very thing.

    BTW, one of those [LOL]s or [AGREE]s counts as one of your 3, per my experience.

    What is the point of this? In no way is it a database/storage problem, from what I know of this site. I see absolutely no SPAM, so I wouldn’t think that’d have been the problem.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    Welllllll ...

    I think this rule is a bit annoying, but it's an automated protection against flamefests.

    , @Commentator Mike
    Maybe this is the result of the famous algorithm RU was developing to curtail Jeff Stryker's chatty exchanges with commenters about his everyday experiences but we all got caught up in it. At least now we'll get to see Wally's "go to codoh" prompts only three times an hour.

    Does a warming light up in red when you press the Reply button if you're exceeding the limit?

    What other surprises is RU working on for the future? I say if it ain't broke don't fix it but let's see.

    Is this the beta trial phase or he's gone straight to alpha?
    , @PetrOldSack

    What is the point of this? In no way is it a database/storage problem, from what I know of this site. I see absolutely no SPAM, so I wouldn’t think that’d have been the problem.
     
    Spam could be but is not the problem in most cases. Commenters, some, few, seem to infuse entropy, and overcloud some thick and dim articles, denounce the irrelevancy of the piece ...and get away with directing the discussion into arguments, or infuse ideas that take a life of their own. Ideas that start popping up with more frequency as time passes(months, some only within weeks already gain hold), making it hard to control the general narrative of the site.

    Good question, what is that narrative. Could it be, no concreteness as to suggesting solutions to problems, as compared to repeat the howl of the lead wolf. Ratting out those who are pointing to interaction beyond passive observance. Could it be cutting out any critiques as to established middle class power houses of writers? Please fill in your observance.

    There is a more pertinent problem, comments ``disappear´´, minor to this, are pulled down further on the thread, so there is serious editing going on. Algorithms are not capable of that kind of judgement by themselves.

    Then there is Patreon, Cloudflare, tying into the google farm, no policy declaration as to what and how. To our modest view, the ``middle man´´, unz.com being such, should be aseptic, neutral, agnostic, unobtrusive. There definitely is a harness.

    What is probably the biggest objection to unz.com, is that the incitement of in-convention, is almost Jewish in it´s entirety. Jews doing the White man´s bidding is a repeat of the same media patterns.

    , @The Alarmist

    I see absolutely no SPAM ....
     
    Somewhere in the World, Tiny Duck is smiling and thanking you under his breath.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I think Ron's intention is to limit flame wars. They do happen here from time to time, but they're generally fairly clever, at least middle-brow.
  12. @Twinkie

    the celerity of mind
     
    At first glance, I read that as “a celery of a mind”!

    That’s one, buddy. Better make the next two count.

  13. @Intelligent Dasein
    One doesn't like to be rude by insulting one's host, but there is something very weird about Ron Unz.

    For me, this place started jumping the shark when Ron ramped up his "American Pravda" series and began salting the website with an increasing number of Jew-blaming columnists. As I've mentioned before, I pretty much detest everything about Jews, Judaism, and the state of Israel; but I find those subjects to be ones of such unbearable tedium that I have no interest in talking about them; and at any rate, blaming Jews for Western problems is about as pathetic as it gets.

    Meanwhile, every single episode of American Pravda is so plan-uniform and formulaic that you can easily foresee the whole content of the thing before you even read it. Ron starts out:

    "Well, up until recently I had no reason to doubt anything my school books had taught me about [whatever]. You see, I was completely absorbed with my Very Important Software Work (VISW)™, and I just didn't have the time to look deeply into a matter I wasn't really that interested in. But then, miraculously and in just a few weeks, I began discovering all these conspiracy theories that completely invalidated my prior worldview. Most surprising of all was the prominent role played by Jewish Americans in plotting to do [whatever] and suppressing the awareness of it. Oh, what a fool I'd been, but that is just another page in the annals of Our American Pravda."

    Now, all of this is so blatantly on the nose that it as to be a ploy of some kind. But a ploy to do what exactly?

    Agreed, I.D. Your quoted paragraph is a great parody of the theme of every article I’ve read by him*! That VISW (TM)** is hilarious too. LOL (trying not to run out here).

    I’ve written this before, but I believe Mr. Unz is TOO openminded. I know that sounds weird, but it’s just that he will take some shady business that has happened (and does all the time), look into*** the most wild theories about how the truth was misrepresented (as it often is), and go down some deep rabbit hole. He never goes back to some other material that may represent a counter-argument or just some basic common sense.

    I like Mr. Unz’s open-mindedness to some degree, with his allowing all types to post articles here. (As a former Russian of some sort, he’s absolutely GOTTA know that the Commie writers are full of shit, but yet … they write … ) Good on him. Just as good is his top-notch quality site. Usability is 10/10.

    Actually, what I think is the problem is that Mr. Unz has picked up the extreme anti-all-things-American attitude of some of the writers and commenters of his. That’s what I find sick, erroneous, and disgraceful.

    .

    * Oh, except for the ones that explain things like why the fuck you can’t write more than 3 comments in an hour under one article.

    ** For the life of me, I can’t seem to do superscripts in comments here.. Do you have to write “superscript” and “subscript” all the way out in the tags?

    ** and apparently he’s a veracious reader, so by “look into”, I mean read 10 or 15 books about. That should have been in your parody paragraph, I.D.: “So, I read 14 books yesterday about this, and now I’m pretty sure …”

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    ** For the life of me, I can’t seem to do superscripts in comments here.. Do you have to write “superscript” and “subscript” all the way out in the tags?
     
    Using ALT tags will allow you to do the trademark symbol, diacritical marks, and pretty much anything else not found on your keyboard. For example, the 'TM' is made by typing ALT+0153.

    ** and apparently he’s a veracious reader, so by “look into”, I mean read 10 or 15 books about. That should have been in your parody paragraph, I.D.: “So, I read 14 books yesterday about this, and now I’m pretty sure …”

    Damn, that would have been perfect.

    I’ve written this before, but I believe Mr. Unz is TOO openminded...
     
    Something about Unz's writing doesn't quite add up. He claims to be, and is usually thought of as, wickedly intelligent; but no truly deep thinking and serious person would simply swallow whole a bunch of high school history as Ron claims to have done, nor would he then stage an about-face and launch with equally unqualified gusto into the realm of kooky conspiracy theories. This is his "open mindedness," as you put it, and I think you're on the right track. It isn't that a serious person is absolutely disbarred from believing the one or the other; it's that a serious person doesn't hold any beliefs in such a naive manner. A serious person reflects; he considers; he tries to integrate his beliefs into his whole world and experience, confident in the faith that, however frail and imperfect he might be and however many epistemological hurdles can and do exist, there is still a shared logos-structure between mind and world which provides a touchstone of reality, or at least a safeguard against the darker reaches of unreality.

    But Ron, being more of the spergy sort, does not have this safeguard. He cannot help but think as it is in his nature to think, and his specific nature requires him to affirm the existence of vast ideological superstructures influencing every facet of his perceptible world. It is not the very notion of a "mainstream media" that Ron finds doubtful. In fact, the mainstream media would, under other circumstances, be the perfect name, symbol, and imminentization of his personal god. What it cannot do, is not exist. Thus, when the mainstream media commits to something that seems to be at odds with reality, it cannot just be wrong---or stupid, or incompetent, or a platform for social-climbing bimbos toeing the party line---it becomes "American Pravda," an orchestrated Manichean otherness pumping out deception according to some sinister purpose.

    Whereas a more somber, prudent, and rational person never gives the media that much weight to begin with, and therefore isn't exercised to extremes of prolix agitation over its shortcomings.
    , @dfordoom

    I’ve written this before, but I believe Mr. Unz is TOO openminded.
     
    The X-Files has a lot to answer for. One of the really clever things about that series was the way they mixed in the standalone episodes dealing with assorted weird stuff with the main Alien Invasion story arc. Once Mulder had accepted the idea that aliens were here and that there was a gigantic conspiracy to cover it up then logically he was going to accept every conspiracy theory. If aliens are real then vampires and paranormal phenomena are probably real as well - the fact that there's no evidence just proves that the government is covering up those things as well.

    Lots of people these days live in the same mental universe as Mulder. If you believe in JFK conspiracy theories then why not Pizzagate conspiracy theories? And if you believe in that then it's not a big jump to 9/11 conspiracy theories. And once you've digested that one it's very easy to swallow Moon Landing Hoax theories. And if Jews are conspiring against us then the Freemasons and the Illuminati probably are as well.

    The other interesting and clever thing about The X-Files is that Mulder is not stupid. It's made clear that he's highly intelligent and highly educated. That's why he believes every crazy thing it's possible to believe - only a smart educated guy could believe such complex highly-developed byzantine nonsense.

    There are Fox Mulders everywhere these days.
  14. @Twinkie

    the celerity of mind
     
    At first glance, I read that as “a celery of a mind”!

    The problem, in the first place, points to mean cognitive ability, thrifting and paid agendas of the commenters. There should rather be a limit on articles per year of dull authors.

    Dull pieces attract dim and thick comments.

    • LOL: iffen
  15. @Thomm

    Mr. Unz recently instituted a new rule on commenting that permits a per-hour maximum
     
    Aha! We finally see the much-awaited result of RUnzie Baby's 'important software work'.

    He didn't disappoint.

    Yeah. Now we see the violence inherent in the system.

    From behind the curtain: *Stupid Goy!*

    Ooh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That’s what I’m on about! Did you hear him repressing me? You heard it, didn’t you?

  16. @Intelligent Dasein
    One doesn't like to be rude by insulting one's host, but there is something very weird about Ron Unz.

    For me, this place started jumping the shark when Ron ramped up his "American Pravda" series and began salting the website with an increasing number of Jew-blaming columnists. As I've mentioned before, I pretty much detest everything about Jews, Judaism, and the state of Israel; but I find those subjects to be ones of such unbearable tedium that I have no interest in talking about them; and at any rate, blaming Jews for Western problems is about as pathetic as it gets.

    Meanwhile, every single episode of American Pravda is so plan-uniform and formulaic that you can easily foresee the whole content of the thing before you even read it. Ron starts out:

    "Well, up until recently I had no reason to doubt anything my school books had taught me about [whatever]. You see, I was completely absorbed with my Very Important Software Work (VISW)™, and I just didn't have the time to look deeply into a matter I wasn't really that interested in. But then, miraculously and in just a few weeks, I began discovering all these conspiracy theories that completely invalidated my prior worldview. Most surprising of all was the prominent role played by Jewish Americans in plotting to do [whatever] and suppressing the awareness of it. Oh, what a fool I'd been, but that is just another page in the annals of Our American Pravda."

    Now, all of this is so blatantly on the nose that it as to be a ploy of some kind. But a ploy to do what exactly?

    Maybe it’s marketing for a new HBO series that will be announced soon-ish?

  17. @Ash Williams
    Mr. Unz may do as he pleases, but I suspect this will leave us poorer for information. Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.

    Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.

    That’s not a nice thing to say right here in front of the schoolmarm.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    LOL
  18. @Ash Williams
    Mr. Unz may do as he pleases, but I suspect this will leave us poorer for information. Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.

    If our gracious host would allow a few more expressions of agreement …

  19. @iffen
    Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.

    That's not a nice thing to say right here in front of the schoolmarm.

    LOL

  20. @Achmed E. Newman
    I ran into this on a trip and thought it was just a buggy IP-number thing - maybe for SPAM avoidance.

    Now, I was about to post a 4th comment under an iSteve post, and got this crap. I wanted to experiment and came to your new post, A.E., which coincidentally was about this very thing.

    BTW, one of those [LOL]s or [AGREE]s counts as one of your 3, per my experience.

    What is the point of this? In no way is it a database/storage problem, from what I know of this site. I see absolutely no SPAM, so I wouldn't think that'd have been the problem.

    Welllllll …

    I think this rule is a bit annoying, but it’s an automated protection against flamefests.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, true dat. It's indeed gonna to be annoying to me once in a while, when I don't see it coming, I can tell.

    BTW, don't mash "Go back to comments". Hit the browser's back button to keep what you wrote saved in the browser.

    , @Anonymous

    automated protection against flamefests
     
    Those are the best
  21. @byrresheim
    Welllllll ...

    I think this rule is a bit annoying, but it's an automated protection against flamefests.

    Yeah, true dat. It’s indeed gonna to be annoying to me once in a while, when I don’t see it coming, I can tell.

    BTW, don’t mash “Go back to comments”. Hit the browser’s back button to keep what you wrote saved in the browser.

  22. @Ash Williams
    Mr. Unz may do as he pleases, but I suspect this will leave us poorer for information. Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.

    Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.

    Often that’s the faintest praise possible.

    • Replies: @Ash Williams

    Often that’s the faintest praise possible.

     

    Sorry you feel that way, I meant it as a sincere compliment. If something someone writes sparks a discussion that takes it further, isn't that confirmation to the author that they were successful?

    FWIW, I haven't seen anything written here that a commenter could take an author "to the woodshed" over, it's just not possible - they're too well reasoned.
  23. @Achmed E. Newman
    I ran into this on a trip and thought it was just a buggy IP-number thing - maybe for SPAM avoidance.

    Now, I was about to post a 4th comment under an iSteve post, and got this crap. I wanted to experiment and came to your new post, A.E., which coincidentally was about this very thing.

    BTW, one of those [LOL]s or [AGREE]s counts as one of your 3, per my experience.

    What is the point of this? In no way is it a database/storage problem, from what I know of this site. I see absolutely no SPAM, so I wouldn't think that'd have been the problem.

    Maybe this is the result of the famous algorithm RU was developing to curtail Jeff Stryker’s chatty exchanges with commenters about his everyday experiences but we all got caught up in it. At least now we’ll get to see Wally’s “go to codoh” prompts only three times an hour.

    Does a warming light up in red when you press the Reply button if you’re exceeding the limit?

    What other surprises is RU working on for the future? I say if it ain’t broke don’t fix it but let’s see.

    Is this the beta trial phase or he’s gone straight to alpha?

  24. Stop using words like “regulating”, “moderating”, etc. It is about censoring people, rosier sounding words does not make it any less so.

    • Agree: brandybranch
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    What ideas--other than those that advocate illegal activity, which I'll grant must be censored for obvious reasons--are censored at UR? It's not the content, it's the way that content is presented. Standards require some regulation.

    There are places like 8chan for anything goes--and there is a huge swath of the population that will never engage with any of the ideas presented there for precisely that reason. There are tradeoffs for everything.
  25. @byrresheim
    Welllllll ...

    I think this rule is a bit annoying, but it's an automated protection against flamefests.

    automated protection against flamefests

    Those are the best

  26. It’s not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light.

    It can be argued of course that Mr. Unz is doing babies and bath water.

    A bare minimum of rules is to my liking. But I prefer limiting quantity to limiting quality. And I find it unseemly to look a gift horse in the mouth.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    "It’s not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light."

    It's also not unusual to see that the " two or three or four commenters" have nearly identical writing styles as though they were the same discussion hijacking troll posting under different names. Funny how that happens.
    , @Feryl

    It’s not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light.
     
    Can't there be some measure by which the same poster is detected making 10 posts in the same thread within a 24 hour period? And can't the system then block this person from making another post in the same thread for a while, or maybe even forever, to prevent threads from being gummed up by serial posters?

    Under the new rules, the same poster could in theory could make 72 posts in one day in the same thread.
  27. @Intelligent Dasein
    One doesn't like to be rude by insulting one's host, but there is something very weird about Ron Unz.

    For me, this place started jumping the shark when Ron ramped up his "American Pravda" series and began salting the website with an increasing number of Jew-blaming columnists. As I've mentioned before, I pretty much detest everything about Jews, Judaism, and the state of Israel; but I find those subjects to be ones of such unbearable tedium that I have no interest in talking about them; and at any rate, blaming Jews for Western problems is about as pathetic as it gets.

    Meanwhile, every single episode of American Pravda is so plan-uniform and formulaic that you can easily foresee the whole content of the thing before you even read it. Ron starts out:

    "Well, up until recently I had no reason to doubt anything my school books had taught me about [whatever]. You see, I was completely absorbed with my Very Important Software Work (VISW)™, and I just didn't have the time to look deeply into a matter I wasn't really that interested in. But then, miraculously and in just a few weeks, I began discovering all these conspiracy theories that completely invalidated my prior worldview. Most surprising of all was the prominent role played by Jewish Americans in plotting to do [whatever] and suppressing the awareness of it. Oh, what a fool I'd been, but that is just another page in the annals of Our American Pravda."

    Now, all of this is so blatantly on the nose that it as to be a ploy of some kind. But a ploy to do what exactly?

    Now, all of this is so blatantly on the nose that it as to be a ploy of some kind. But a ploy to do what exactly?

    I have explained what the ploy is many times before :

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/there-be-reelection/#comment-3339592

    Many other commenters agree with me as well :

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/there-be-reelection/#comment-3349218

  28. @Intelligent Dasein
    One doesn't like to be rude by insulting one's host, but there is something very weird about Ron Unz.

    For me, this place started jumping the shark when Ron ramped up his "American Pravda" series and began salting the website with an increasing number of Jew-blaming columnists. As I've mentioned before, I pretty much detest everything about Jews, Judaism, and the state of Israel; but I find those subjects to be ones of such unbearable tedium that I have no interest in talking about them; and at any rate, blaming Jews for Western problems is about as pathetic as it gets.

    Meanwhile, every single episode of American Pravda is so plan-uniform and formulaic that you can easily foresee the whole content of the thing before you even read it. Ron starts out:

    "Well, up until recently I had no reason to doubt anything my school books had taught me about [whatever]. You see, I was completely absorbed with my Very Important Software Work (VISW)™, and I just didn't have the time to look deeply into a matter I wasn't really that interested in. But then, miraculously and in just a few weeks, I began discovering all these conspiracy theories that completely invalidated my prior worldview. Most surprising of all was the prominent role played by Jewish Americans in plotting to do [whatever] and suppressing the awareness of it. Oh, what a fool I'd been, but that is just another page in the annals of Our American Pravda."

    Now, all of this is so blatantly on the nose that it as to be a ploy of some kind. But a ploy to do what exactly?

    ….But a ploy to do what exactly?…

    I hope that’s a rhetorical question.

  29. I might suggest that some of this is cost per storage space. It is not as if the articles and comments exist in a “free” parking lot.

    The impact for me will be in communications in which the exchanges are response to response as in conversation.

  30. How ‘ bout a three strikes rule on calling people whores (unless they’re politicians, of course)?

    • Replies: @iffen
    Why should politicians get more than three strikes?
  31. Ok, rules are at the discretion of the site owner. This rule isn’t going to address the influx of trolls and shills who post 1,000+ word screeds full of disinformation under several different sockpuppet accounts with the obvious intent of derailing the discussion. It will, however, keep anyone from calling bullshit on them more than three times in a thread.

    What it will do to my commenting habit might take the form of simply adding every one of the hasbaras that I spot to the ignore list, instead of tagging them as trolls in an attempt at cautioning casual readers against engaging them.

  32. @Achmed E. Newman
    I ran into this on a trip and thought it was just a buggy IP-number thing - maybe for SPAM avoidance.

    Now, I was about to post a 4th comment under an iSteve post, and got this crap. I wanted to experiment and came to your new post, A.E., which coincidentally was about this very thing.

    BTW, one of those [LOL]s or [AGREE]s counts as one of your 3, per my experience.

    What is the point of this? In no way is it a database/storage problem, from what I know of this site. I see absolutely no SPAM, so I wouldn't think that'd have been the problem.

    What is the point of this? In no way is it a database/storage problem, from what I know of this site. I see absolutely no SPAM, so I wouldn’t think that’d have been the problem.

    Spam could be but is not the problem in most cases. Commenters, some, few, seem to infuse entropy, and overcloud some thick and dim articles, denounce the irrelevancy of the piece …and get away with directing the discussion into arguments, or infuse ideas that take a life of their own. Ideas that start popping up with more frequency as time passes(months, some only within weeks already gain hold), making it hard to control the general narrative of the site.

    Good question, what is that narrative. Could it be, no concreteness as to suggesting solutions to problems, as compared to repeat the howl of the lead wolf. Ratting out those who are pointing to interaction beyond passive observance. Could it be cutting out any critiques as to established middle class power houses of writers? Please fill in your observance.

    There is a more pertinent problem, comments “disappear´´, minor to this, are pulled down further on the thread, so there is serious editing going on. Algorithms are not capable of that kind of judgement by themselves.

    Then there is Patreon, Cloudflare, tying into the google farm, no policy declaration as to what and how. To our modest view, the “middle man´´, unz.com being such, should be aseptic, neutral, agnostic, unobtrusive. There definitely is a harness.

    What is probably the biggest objection to unz.com, is that the incitement of in-convention, is almost Jewish in it´s entirety. Jews doing the White man´s bidding is a repeat of the same media patterns.

  33. @WorkingClass
    It's not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light.

    It can be argued of course that Mr. Unz is doing babies and bath water.

    A bare minimum of rules is to my liking. But I prefer limiting quantity to limiting quality. And I find it unseemly to look a gift horse in the mouth.

    “It’s not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light.”

    It’s also not unusual to see that the ” two or three or four commenters” have nearly identical writing styles as though they were the same discussion hijacking troll posting under different names. Funny how that happens.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    Never thought about it Twodees.

    When it happens I just abandon the thread thinking it's the price you pay for little or no moderation. I don't like it but the cure is often worse than the disease.

    In future I will look for the phenomenon you describe.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    Concerning the comment moderation, I just have to say that during the daylight hours, when Sailer is taking his 8-hour nap or whatever the hell he does, the comments section on his blog degenerates into an insipid Boomerfest between Jack D and AnotherDad, who just happen to be two of the most vacuous, know-nothing blowhards in the entire Unzosphere, and yet are among the very small number of white-listees granted permission to comment without fear of the famous Whim. What's up with that?
    , @A123

    It’s also not unusual to see that the ” two or three or four commenters” have nearly identical writing styles as though they were the same discussion hijacking troll posting under different names. Funny how that happens.
     
    Hopefully this will work, however some of the trolls here are so vitriolic they will resort to technical workarounds to keep their mass trolling alive. It creates a dilemma for sincere posters as they do not want to convey 'consent by silence'. Yet they are unlikely to have enough posts available to deal with a multi-account troll.

    There is at least one pro-Iran extremist using multiple accounts.

    Has anyone else noticed that "CW" and "AS" frequently post the same things, in the same troll-ish writing style, at the same time?

    PEACE
  34. @Twodees Partain
    "It’s not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light."

    It's also not unusual to see that the " two or three or four commenters" have nearly identical writing styles as though they were the same discussion hijacking troll posting under different names. Funny how that happens.

    Never thought about it Twodees.

    When it happens I just abandon the thread thinking it’s the price you pay for little or no moderation. I don’t like it but the cure is often worse than the disease.

    In future I will look for the phenomenon you describe.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    I've abandoned plenty of them myself once the sockpuppets drown everyone else out chatting with themselves. The threads that top 1,000 comments before dropping down on the sidebar are usually the ones I've fled.
  35. @Rosie
    How ' bout a three strikes rule on calling people whores (unless they're politicians, of course)?

    Why should politicians get more than three strikes?

    • LOL: Rosie, Talha
  36. anon[805] • Disclaimer says:

    “It’s not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light.”

    That’s usually restricted to threads of a certain topic. I don’t see why this should apply everywhere else. Personally, I’ve never found it too difficult to scroll past spam and uninteresting comments.

  37. @WorkingClass
    Never thought about it Twodees.

    When it happens I just abandon the thread thinking it's the price you pay for little or no moderation. I don't like it but the cure is often worse than the disease.

    In future I will look for the phenomenon you describe.

    I’ve abandoned plenty of them myself once the sockpuppets drown everyone else out chatting with themselves. The threads that top 1,000 comments before dropping down on the sidebar are usually the ones I’ve fled.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    The first 100 comments are typically valuable, before the discussion veers of the tracks.
  38. @Twodees Partain
    I've abandoned plenty of them myself once the sockpuppets drown everyone else out chatting with themselves. The threads that top 1,000 comments before dropping down on the sidebar are usually the ones I've fled.

    The first 100 comments are typically valuable, before the discussion veers of the tracks.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    That sounds about right. The diversion starts fairly soon after comments really take off.
  39. @MikeatMikedotMike
    The first 100 comments are typically valuable, before the discussion veers of the tracks.

    That sounds about right. The diversion starts fairly soon after comments really take off.

  40. @Achmed E. Newman
    Agreed, I.D. Your quoted paragraph is a great parody of the theme of every article I've read by him*! That VISW (TM)** is hilarious too. LOL (trying not to run out here).

    I've written this before, but I believe Mr. Unz is TOO openminded. I know that sounds weird, but it's just that he will take some shady business that has happened (and does all the time), look into*** the most wild theories about how the truth was misrepresented (as it often is), and go down some deep rabbit hole. He never goes back to some other material that may represent a counter-argument or just some basic common sense.

    I like Mr. Unz's open-mindedness to some degree, with his allowing all types to post articles here. (As a former Russian of some sort, he's absolutely GOTTA know that the Commie writers are full of shit, but yet ... they write ... ) Good on him. Just as good is his top-notch quality site. Usability is 10/10.

    Actually, what I think is the problem is that Mr. Unz has picked up the extreme anti-all-things-American attitude of some of the writers and commenters of his. That's what I find sick, erroneous, and disgraceful.

    .


    * Oh, except for the ones that explain things like why the fuck you can't write more than 3 comments in an hour under one article.

    ** For the life of me, I can't seem to do superscripts in comments here.. Do you have to write "superscript" and "subscript" all the way out in the tags?

    ** and apparently he's a veracious reader, so by "look into", I mean read 10 or 15 books about. That should have been in your parody paragraph, I.D.: "So, I read 14 books yesterday about this, and now I'm pretty sure ..."

    ** For the life of me, I can’t seem to do superscripts in comments here.. Do you have to write “superscript” and “subscript” all the way out in the tags?

    Using ALT tags will allow you to do the trademark symbol, diacritical marks, and pretty much anything else not found on your keyboard. For example, the ‘TM’ is made by typing ALT+0153.

    ** and apparently he’s a veracious reader, so by “look into”, I mean read 10 or 15 books about. That should have been in your parody paragraph, I.D.: “So, I read 14 books yesterday about this, and now I’m pretty sure …”

    Damn, that would have been perfect.

    I’ve written this before, but I believe Mr. Unz is TOO openminded…

    Something about Unz’s writing doesn’t quite add up. He claims to be, and is usually thought of as, wickedly intelligent; but no truly deep thinking and serious person would simply swallow whole a bunch of high school history as Ron claims to have done, nor would he then stage an about-face and launch with equally unqualified gusto into the realm of kooky conspiracy theories. This is his “open mindedness,” as you put it, and I think you’re on the right track. It isn’t that a serious person is absolutely disbarred from believing the one or the other; it’s that a serious person doesn’t hold any beliefs in such a naive manner. A serious person reflects; he considers; he tries to integrate his beliefs into his whole world and experience, confident in the faith that, however frail and imperfect he might be and however many epistemological hurdles can and do exist, there is still a shared logos-structure between mind and world which provides a touchstone of reality, or at least a safeguard against the darker reaches of unreality.

    But Ron, being more of the spergy sort, does not have this safeguard. He cannot help but think as it is in his nature to think, and his specific nature requires him to affirm the existence of vast ideological superstructures influencing every facet of his perceptible world. It is not the very notion of a “mainstream media” that Ron finds doubtful. In fact, the mainstream media would, under other circumstances, be the perfect name, symbol, and imminentization of his personal god. What it cannot do, is not exist. Thus, when the mainstream media commits to something that seems to be at odds with reality, it cannot just be wrong—or stupid, or incompetent, or a platform for social-climbing bimbos toeing the party line—it becomes “American Pravda,” an orchestrated Manichean otherness pumping out deception according to some sinister purpose.

    Whereas a more somber, prudent, and rational person never gives the media that much weight to begin with, and therefore isn’t exercised to extremes of prolix agitation over its shortcomings.

  41. @Twodees Partain
    "It’s not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light."

    It's also not unusual to see that the " two or three or four commenters" have nearly identical writing styles as though they were the same discussion hijacking troll posting under different names. Funny how that happens.

    Concerning the comment moderation, I just have to say that during the daylight hours, when Sailer is taking his 8-hour nap or whatever the hell he does, the comments section on his blog degenerates into an insipid Boomerfest between Jack D and AnotherDad, who just happen to be two of the most vacuous, know-nothing blowhards in the entire Unzosphere, and yet are among the very small number of white-listees granted permission to comment without fear of the famous Whim. What’s up with that?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Sorry, I don't agree at all with your 2 examples: AnotherDad writes nothing but good comments, IMO, that usually are directly well toward the post topic (I'm bad about that.) Jack D. knows about just about everything, and when he doesn't he'll not reply back to your argument. ;-} (This isn't gossip here really, as I've told him that - he didn't reply, alas ...)

    I've got a feeling some of the people that can post in almost real time, at any time of day, were on there from early on and got grandfathered in, so to speak. BTW, I don't think I get whimmed very often (just had one where Mr. Sailer didn't get my Rocky Horror Picture Show reference, and figured I was seriously calling a commenter an asshole, haha!). I just think there is that big delay before Steve lightly skims the comments that are backed up from his sleep hours.
    , @Twodees Partain
    "What’s up with that?"

    This is a trick question, right? ;-) I only check in on Sailer's articles and usually only drop a comment or two there, so I don't see any patterns in his comments sections. Usually, the topics of his numerous blurbs in a day aren't really enough to generate a serious thread anyway. It's rare that I read an entire thread, given the way the little articles drop off the sidebar.
    , @Twinkie

    Boomerfest
     
    Could someone please elaborate on this term, which is frequently used as a catchall insult here? It seems to imply some sort of “I’m so much more harder/realistic/unsentimental than you” posturing and seemingly related to “cuck.”
  42. @216
    Comments on the Steve blog remain in the freezer for sometimes days, fwiw.

    Help me out here…I’m not familiar with the “in the freezer” expression…what does this mean? Are you saying that the comments there have been trash for a while, or are you implying that they’ve been high quality all this time?

    • Replies: @216
    Ah, my idioms don't make sense where its cold year round and there is no need for freezers.

    Steve, or someone else, manually approves all the comments posted on his blog. Sometimes they are "in moderation" for a couple days. So they are "frozen" so to speak.
  43. @BengaliCanadianDude
    Help me out here...I'm not familiar with the "in the freezer" expression...what does this mean? Are you saying that the comments there have been trash for a while, or are you implying that they've been high quality all this time?

    Ah, my idioms don’t make sense where its cold year round and there is no need for freezers.

    Steve, or someone else, manually approves all the comments posted on his blog. Sometimes they are “in moderation” for a couple days. So they are “frozen” so to speak.

  44. @Rex Little

    Often the comments are as insightful and informative as the article which inspired them.
     
    Often that's the faintest praise possible.

    Often that’s the faintest praise possible.

    Sorry you feel that way, I meant it as a sincere compliment. If something someone writes sparks a discussion that takes it further, isn’t that confirmation to the author that they were successful?

    FWIW, I haven’t seen anything written here that a commenter could take an author “to the woodshed” over, it’s just not possible – they’re too well reasoned.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  45. @Achmed E. Newman
    Agreed, I.D. Your quoted paragraph is a great parody of the theme of every article I've read by him*! That VISW (TM)** is hilarious too. LOL (trying not to run out here).

    I've written this before, but I believe Mr. Unz is TOO openminded. I know that sounds weird, but it's just that he will take some shady business that has happened (and does all the time), look into*** the most wild theories about how the truth was misrepresented (as it often is), and go down some deep rabbit hole. He never goes back to some other material that may represent a counter-argument or just some basic common sense.

    I like Mr. Unz's open-mindedness to some degree, with his allowing all types to post articles here. (As a former Russian of some sort, he's absolutely GOTTA know that the Commie writers are full of shit, but yet ... they write ... ) Good on him. Just as good is his top-notch quality site. Usability is 10/10.

    Actually, what I think is the problem is that Mr. Unz has picked up the extreme anti-all-things-American attitude of some of the writers and commenters of his. That's what I find sick, erroneous, and disgraceful.

    .


    * Oh, except for the ones that explain things like why the fuck you can't write more than 3 comments in an hour under one article.

    ** For the life of me, I can't seem to do superscripts in comments here.. Do you have to write "superscript" and "subscript" all the way out in the tags?

    ** and apparently he's a veracious reader, so by "look into", I mean read 10 or 15 books about. That should have been in your parody paragraph, I.D.: "So, I read 14 books yesterday about this, and now I'm pretty sure ..."

    I’ve written this before, but I believe Mr. Unz is TOO openminded.

    The X-Files has a lot to answer for. One of the really clever things about that series was the way they mixed in the standalone episodes dealing with assorted weird stuff with the main Alien Invasion story arc. Once Mulder had accepted the idea that aliens were here and that there was a gigantic conspiracy to cover it up then logically he was going to accept every conspiracy theory. If aliens are real then vampires and paranormal phenomena are probably real as well – the fact that there’s no evidence just proves that the government is covering up those things as well.

    Lots of people these days live in the same mental universe as Mulder. If you believe in JFK conspiracy theories then why not Pizzagate conspiracy theories? And if you believe in that then it’s not a big jump to 9/11 conspiracy theories. And once you’ve digested that one it’s very easy to swallow Moon Landing Hoax theories. And if Jews are conspiring against us then the Freemasons and the Illuminati probably are as well.

    The other interesting and clever thing about The X-Files is that Mulder is not stupid. It’s made clear that he’s highly intelligent and highly educated. That’s why he believes every crazy thing it’s possible to believe – only a smart educated guy could believe such complex highly-developed byzantine nonsense.

    There are Fox Mulders everywhere these days.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, I used to watch some of that, but never did catch on to the details of the storyline. Great comment, though.

    "The Fox Mulders are out there somewhere ..."
  46. @Achmed E. Newman
    I ran into this on a trip and thought it was just a buggy IP-number thing - maybe for SPAM avoidance.

    Now, I was about to post a 4th comment under an iSteve post, and got this crap. I wanted to experiment and came to your new post, A.E., which coincidentally was about this very thing.

    BTW, one of those [LOL]s or [AGREE]s counts as one of your 3, per my experience.

    What is the point of this? In no way is it a database/storage problem, from what I know of this site. I see absolutely no SPAM, so I wouldn't think that'd have been the problem.

    I see absolutely no SPAM ….

    Somewhere in the World, Tiny Duck is smiling and thanking you under his breath.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I! AM! TINY! DUCK!

    No, but seriously, trolling is different from SPAMing. I'm talking about totally-unreadable viagra ads that come from Russian IP numbers (yeah, sometimes it IS the Russians.)
  47. @The Alarmist

    I see absolutely no SPAM ....
     
    Somewhere in the World, Tiny Duck is smiling and thanking you under his breath.

    I! AM! TINY! DUCK!

    No, but seriously, trolling is different from SPAMing. I’m talking about totally-unreadable viagra ads that come from Russian IP numbers (yeah, sometimes it IS the Russians.)

  48. @dfordoom

    I’ve written this before, but I believe Mr. Unz is TOO openminded.
     
    The X-Files has a lot to answer for. One of the really clever things about that series was the way they mixed in the standalone episodes dealing with assorted weird stuff with the main Alien Invasion story arc. Once Mulder had accepted the idea that aliens were here and that there was a gigantic conspiracy to cover it up then logically he was going to accept every conspiracy theory. If aliens are real then vampires and paranormal phenomena are probably real as well - the fact that there's no evidence just proves that the government is covering up those things as well.

    Lots of people these days live in the same mental universe as Mulder. If you believe in JFK conspiracy theories then why not Pizzagate conspiracy theories? And if you believe in that then it's not a big jump to 9/11 conspiracy theories. And once you've digested that one it's very easy to swallow Moon Landing Hoax theories. And if Jews are conspiring against us then the Freemasons and the Illuminati probably are as well.

    The other interesting and clever thing about The X-Files is that Mulder is not stupid. It's made clear that he's highly intelligent and highly educated. That's why he believes every crazy thing it's possible to believe - only a smart educated guy could believe such complex highly-developed byzantine nonsense.

    There are Fox Mulders everywhere these days.

    Yeah, I used to watch some of that, but never did catch on to the details of the storyline. Great comment, though.

    “The Fox Mulders are out there somewhere …”

  49. @Intelligent Dasein
    Concerning the comment moderation, I just have to say that during the daylight hours, when Sailer is taking his 8-hour nap or whatever the hell he does, the comments section on his blog degenerates into an insipid Boomerfest between Jack D and AnotherDad, who just happen to be two of the most vacuous, know-nothing blowhards in the entire Unzosphere, and yet are among the very small number of white-listees granted permission to comment without fear of the famous Whim. What's up with that?

    Sorry, I don’t agree at all with your 2 examples: AnotherDad writes nothing but good comments, IMO, that usually are directly well toward the post topic (I’m bad about that.) Jack D. knows about just about everything, and when he doesn’t he’ll not reply back to your argument. ;-} (This isn’t gossip here really, as I’ve told him that – he didn’t reply, alas …)

    I’ve got a feeling some of the people that can post in almost real time, at any time of day, were on there from early on and got grandfathered in, so to speak. BTW, I don’t think I get whimmed very often (just had one where Mr. Sailer didn’t get my Rocky Horror Picture Show reference, and figured I was seriously calling a commenter an asshole, haha!). I just think there is that big delay before Steve lightly skims the comments that are backed up from his sleep hours.

  50. @Intelligent Dasein
    Concerning the comment moderation, I just have to say that during the daylight hours, when Sailer is taking his 8-hour nap or whatever the hell he does, the comments section on his blog degenerates into an insipid Boomerfest between Jack D and AnotherDad, who just happen to be two of the most vacuous, know-nothing blowhards in the entire Unzosphere, and yet are among the very small number of white-listees granted permission to comment without fear of the famous Whim. What's up with that?

    “What’s up with that?”

    This is a trick question, right? 😉 I only check in on Sailer’s articles and usually only drop a comment or two there, so I don’t see any patterns in his comments sections. Usually, the topics of his numerous blurbs in a day aren’t really enough to generate a serious thread anyway. It’s rare that I read an entire thread, given the way the little articles drop off the sidebar.

  51. @Twodees Partain
    "It’s not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light."

    It's also not unusual to see that the " two or three or four commenters" have nearly identical writing styles as though they were the same discussion hijacking troll posting under different names. Funny how that happens.

    It’s also not unusual to see that the ” two or three or four commenters” have nearly identical writing styles as though they were the same discussion hijacking troll posting under different names. Funny how that happens.

    Hopefully this will work, however some of the trolls here are so vitriolic they will resort to technical workarounds to keep their mass trolling alive. It creates a dilemma for sincere posters as they do not want to convey ‘consent by silence’. Yet they are unlikely to have enough posts available to deal with a multi-account troll.

    There is at least one pro-Iran extremist using multiple accounts.

    Has anyone else noticed that “CW” and “AS” frequently post the same things, in the same troll-ish writing style, at the same time?

    PEACE

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    I don't see it working in keeping the trolls and shills on a leash. It might work with keeping sincere posters from feeding the trolls, though there are several would-be sincere posters who are so much in the habit of engaging the trolls and thereby allowing them to hijack threads that some of them will probably be lost to frustration over being timed out, so to speak.

    Oh, well. The posting limits are not the way I would have gone about it, but then, this isn't my site. Moderating a site is probably the least rewarding part of maintaining a site for discussion, so however Mr. Unz decides to do it is how it's going to be. We're all just guests here, after all.
  52. @A123

    It’s also not unusual to see that the ” two or three or four commenters” have nearly identical writing styles as though they were the same discussion hijacking troll posting under different names. Funny how that happens.
     
    Hopefully this will work, however some of the trolls here are so vitriolic they will resort to technical workarounds to keep their mass trolling alive. It creates a dilemma for sincere posters as they do not want to convey 'consent by silence'. Yet they are unlikely to have enough posts available to deal with a multi-account troll.

    There is at least one pro-Iran extremist using multiple accounts.

    Has anyone else noticed that "CW" and "AS" frequently post the same things, in the same troll-ish writing style, at the same time?

    PEACE

    I don’t see it working in keeping the trolls and shills on a leash. It might work with keeping sincere posters from feeding the trolls, though there are several would-be sincere posters who are so much in the habit of engaging the trolls and thereby allowing them to hijack threads that some of them will probably be lost to frustration over being timed out, so to speak.

    Oh, well. The posting limits are not the way I would have gone about it, but then, this isn’t my site. Moderating a site is probably the least rewarding part of maintaining a site for discussion, so however Mr. Unz decides to do it is how it’s going to be. We’re all just guests here, after all.

    • Replies: @Matra

    It might work with keeping sincere posters from feeding the trolls, though there are several would-be sincere posters who are so much in the habit of engaging the trolls and thereby allowing them to hijack threads
     
    I bet almost all those sincere posters are of north European backgrounds. They take everything other people say at face value.
  53. @Intelligent Dasein
    Concerning the comment moderation, I just have to say that during the daylight hours, when Sailer is taking his 8-hour nap or whatever the hell he does, the comments section on his blog degenerates into an insipid Boomerfest between Jack D and AnotherDad, who just happen to be two of the most vacuous, know-nothing blowhards in the entire Unzosphere, and yet are among the very small number of white-listees granted permission to comment without fear of the famous Whim. What's up with that?

    Boomerfest

    Could someone please elaborate on this term, which is frequently used as a catchall insult here? It seems to imply some sort of “I’m so much more harder/realistic/unsentimental than you” posturing and seemingly related to “cuck.”

    • Replies: @iffen
    Feryl, please pick up on the blue phone.

    Feryl, please pick up on the blue phone.

    Feryl, please ...
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    It refers to people of a certain age who are in love with the sound of their own voice, nothing more.
  54. @Intelligent Dasein
    One doesn't like to be rude by insulting one's host, but there is something very weird about Ron Unz.

    For me, this place started jumping the shark when Ron ramped up his "American Pravda" series and began salting the website with an increasing number of Jew-blaming columnists. As I've mentioned before, I pretty much detest everything about Jews, Judaism, and the state of Israel; but I find those subjects to be ones of such unbearable tedium that I have no interest in talking about them; and at any rate, blaming Jews for Western problems is about as pathetic as it gets.

    Meanwhile, every single episode of American Pravda is so plan-uniform and formulaic that you can easily foresee the whole content of the thing before you even read it. Ron starts out:

    "Well, up until recently I had no reason to doubt anything my school books had taught me about [whatever]. You see, I was completely absorbed with my Very Important Software Work (VISW)™, and I just didn't have the time to look deeply into a matter I wasn't really that interested in. But then, miraculously and in just a few weeks, I began discovering all these conspiracy theories that completely invalidated my prior worldview. Most surprising of all was the prominent role played by Jewish Americans in plotting to do [whatever] and suppressing the awareness of it. Oh, what a fool I'd been, but that is just another page in the annals of Our American Pravda."

    Now, all of this is so blatantly on the nose that it as to be a ploy of some kind. But a ploy to do what exactly?

    The contours of the delivery are familiar, but the content itself is usually exceptionally unique.

    What many readers may not realize is that Ron spends most of his waking hours on UR in some form or another. Most of that time is archival work. His MO is to digitize as much historical content as possible that would otherwise be lost to time–effectively if not literally. He is especially interested in things that were deemed big stories at the time but are no longer remembered.

    In the course of doing this–his “software work”–he comes across all sorts of unusual or surprising things and the American Pravda series is a consequence of this.

    He self-funds (with the exception of the patreon subscribers who are much appreciated I’m sure) the entire project and all that goes into it.

    • Replies: @Matra
    I doubt Unz would be interested in this but since I just noticed it on twitter I'll pass it on.

    In a thread started by a writer at The Forward about some elected official retweeting Mondoweiss someone mentions "Holocaust denier Ron Unz" being a contributor ($ not articles) to the Mondoweiss website: Link
  55. @The Alarmist

    Failing to (a) announce this limit and (b) provide a warning at the time the “Reply” link is clicked is unforgiveable. It is truly shit-level behavior.
     
    So, you won't be making your usual donation this month?

    Any excuse to post this!

  56. @Achmed E. Newman
    I ran into this on a trip and thought it was just a buggy IP-number thing - maybe for SPAM avoidance.

    Now, I was about to post a 4th comment under an iSteve post, and got this crap. I wanted to experiment and came to your new post, A.E., which coincidentally was about this very thing.

    BTW, one of those [LOL]s or [AGREE]s counts as one of your 3, per my experience.

    What is the point of this? In no way is it a database/storage problem, from what I know of this site. I see absolutely no SPAM, so I wouldn't think that'd have been the problem.

    I think Ron’s intention is to limit flame wars. They do happen here from time to time, but they’re generally fairly clever, at least middle-brow.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    Argumentative historians can be off topic by hundreds, even thousands of years.
  57. @neutral
    Stop using words like "regulating", "moderating", etc. It is about censoring people, rosier sounding words does not make it any less so.

    What ideas–other than those that advocate illegal activity, which I’ll grant must be censored for obvious reasons–are censored at UR? It’s not the content, it’s the way that content is presented. Standards require some regulation.

    There are places like 8chan for anything goes–and there is a huge swath of the population that will never engage with any of the ideas presented there for precisely that reason. There are tradeoffs for everything.

  58. @Twinkie

    Boomerfest
     
    Could someone please elaborate on this term, which is frequently used as a catchall insult here? It seems to imply some sort of “I’m so much more harder/realistic/unsentimental than you” posturing and seemingly related to “cuck.”

    Feryl, please pick up on the blue phone.

    Feryl, please pick up on the blue phone.

    Feryl, please …

  59. @Twinkie

    Boomerfest
     
    Could someone please elaborate on this term, which is frequently used as a catchall insult here? It seems to imply some sort of “I’m so much more harder/realistic/unsentimental than you” posturing and seemingly related to “cuck.”

    It refers to people of a certain age who are in love with the sound of their own voice, nothing more.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    It refers to people of a certain age who are in love with the sound of their own voice, nothing more.
     
    You don’t like your own voice? ;)
  60. @Twodees Partain
    I don't see it working in keeping the trolls and shills on a leash. It might work with keeping sincere posters from feeding the trolls, though there are several would-be sincere posters who are so much in the habit of engaging the trolls and thereby allowing them to hijack threads that some of them will probably be lost to frustration over being timed out, so to speak.

    Oh, well. The posting limits are not the way I would have gone about it, but then, this isn't my site. Moderating a site is probably the least rewarding part of maintaining a site for discussion, so however Mr. Unz decides to do it is how it's going to be. We're all just guests here, after all.

    It might work with keeping sincere posters from feeding the trolls, though there are several would-be sincere posters who are so much in the habit of engaging the trolls and thereby allowing them to hijack threads

    I bet almost all those sincere posters are of north European backgrounds. They take everything other people say at face value.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    I think you're right. Most of them also seem to be oblivious to humor, or at least humorless themselves, which is one trait that's typical of conservatards. Maybe they're mostly conservatards. I didn't think of that before. Thanks for jump starting my thinking. ;-)
  61. @Audacious Epigone
    The contours of the delivery are familiar, but the content itself is usually exceptionally unique.

    What many readers may not realize is that Ron spends most of his waking hours on UR in some form or another. Most of that time is archival work. His MO is to digitize as much historical content as possible that would otherwise be lost to time--effectively if not literally. He is especially interested in things that were deemed big stories at the time but are no longer remembered.

    In the course of doing this--his "software work"--he comes across all sorts of unusual or surprising things and the American Pravda series is a consequence of this.

    He self-funds (with the exception of the patreon subscribers who are much appreciated I'm sure) the entire project and all that goes into it.

    I doubt Unz would be interested in this but since I just noticed it on twitter I’ll pass it on.

    In a thread started by a writer at The Forward about some elected official retweeting Mondoweiss someone mentions “Holocaust denier Ron Unz” being a contributor ($ not articles) to the Mondoweiss website: Link

    • Replies: @RSDB
    It's only Mr. Unz's old frenemy Nurit Baytch, no harm done. Figures it would be off the Forward.
  62. @Matra
    I doubt Unz would be interested in this but since I just noticed it on twitter I'll pass it on.

    In a thread started by a writer at The Forward about some elected official retweeting Mondoweiss someone mentions "Holocaust denier Ron Unz" being a contributor ($ not articles) to the Mondoweiss website: Link

    It’s only Mr. Unz’s old frenemy Nurit Baytch, no harm done. Figures it would be off the Forward.

  63. @WorkingClass
    It's not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light.

    It can be argued of course that Mr. Unz is doing babies and bath water.

    A bare minimum of rules is to my liking. But I prefer limiting quantity to limiting quality. And I find it unseemly to look a gift horse in the mouth.

    It’s not unusual for two or three or four commenters to take over a thread with an often off topic discussion which produces more heat than light.

    Can’t there be some measure by which the same poster is detected making 10 posts in the same thread within a 24 hour period? And can’t the system then block this person from making another post in the same thread for a while, or maybe even forever, to prevent threads from being gummed up by serial posters?

    Under the new rules, the same poster could in theory could make 72 posts in one day in the same thread.

  64. @Intelligent Dasein
    It refers to people of a certain age who are in love with the sound of their own voice, nothing more.

    It refers to people of a certain age who are in love with the sound of their own voice, nothing more.

    You don’t like your own voice? 😉

  65. Why do I have to do two hard reloads of this page to clear the “new” flags on comments I’ve seen, and why do previously-read comments on other pages keep coming up as “new” even when I have cleared the flags?

    Are the cookies for one page being wrongly preserved on other pages loaded in other tabs?

    Ron Unz, this is all your system and you’re doing it wrong.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Some of the glitches I experience are probably due to my version of FF, which is a little outdated, being a Linux version. That's what I've been blaming them on, but you could be right.
  66. @Matra

    It might work with keeping sincere posters from feeding the trolls, though there are several would-be sincere posters who are so much in the habit of engaging the trolls and thereby allowing them to hijack threads
     
    I bet almost all those sincere posters are of north European backgrounds. They take everything other people say at face value.

    I think you’re right. Most of them also seem to be oblivious to humor, or at least humorless themselves, which is one trait that’s typical of conservatards. Maybe they’re mostly conservatards. I didn’t think of that before. Thanks for jump starting my thinking. 😉

  67. @Mr. Rational
    Why do I have to do two hard reloads of this page to clear the "new" flags on comments I've seen, and why do previously-read comments on other pages keep coming up as "new" even when I have cleared the flags?

    Are the cookies for one page being wrongly preserved on other pages loaded in other tabs?

    Ron Unz, this is all your system and you're doing it wrong.

    Some of the glitches I experience are probably due to my version of FF, which is a little outdated, being a Linux version. That’s what I’ve been blaming them on, but you could be right.

  68. @Audacious Epigone
    I think Ron's intention is to limit flame wars. They do happen here from time to time, but they're generally fairly clever, at least middle-brow.

    Argumentative historians can be off topic by hundreds, even thousands of years.

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