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A performatively bemused iffen struggles to understand why mob justice is bad when it comes to democracy but good when it comes to crime:
One incident of refusing to accept the results of the election is cause for a major assault on liberty by the state at the direction of the media, but weekly riots over refusing to accept the results of a criminal trial are routine and provide no cause for alarm. There must be something that separates the two. I just can’t quite nail it down.
Who? Whom? part ∞
More than six months out from the presidential election and 3-in-4 Republicans and 2-in-5 independents do not perceive president Joe Biden’s victory as legitimate:
That figure has remained remarkably consistent since November of last year. If it hasn’t budged yet, it’s not going to budge at all. There is a solid majority of Republicans and a substantial number of independents who are now effectively beyond the reach of the corporate media.
This is unsettling to the neo-liberal establishment, as well it should be. Economic expediency and inertia are the only things holding the country together politically. If the dollar breaks it’s hard to see how the country doesn’t. Good thing the dollar is impervious, I guess!
Dr. Robert Morgan in response to the assertion the environment surrounding the Derek Chauvin trial that left no doubt about the outcome before jury deliberations had even begun evinced a shift from an evidence-based concept of justice to a narrative-based concept of justice:
It’s always been a narrative. It’s just that this isn’t the one whites are used to. They are used to seeing the cops as good guys whose word is to be believed without question, and the person on trial as probably guilty or the cops wouldn’t have arrested him. As America becomes less white, this view is changing. White “cogs in an evil machine” like Chauvin will find that policing isn’t much fun when the betrayers themselves are betrayed. If you are white and serve an anti-white system, you shouldn’t be surprised when it turns on you.
Why police communities that view you as an occupying force on behalf of a regime that views you as both contemptible and expendable? It’s a question a lot of city cops, especially white ones, are asking themselves.
There is a view that the Chauvin verdict gives the establishment a scalp to wave around to reassure the plebs that the system works, but it’s not going to satisfy the reformers. If they can’t cut the purse strings, they can make life hell for the people the purse pays. Depeople the police and defunding the police becomes easier. This movement is far from over.
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Speaking of cogs in a machine, I haven’t posted this in a while.
Last year’s article from Ron Unz about the Political Bankruptcy of White Nationalism really does prove what I have been saying all along about the true purpose of this website.
To recap :
It is a privilege to see a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew* like Ron Unz ply his trade. He singlehandedly ties up hundreds if not thousands of WNs at once. His strategy is particularly elegant when one observes the chess pieces that Ron advances in the correct sequence.
Step 1 : Make a website that WNs use (since they can never build anything on their own). Let any and all anti-Semitic slurs stand on the website to make WNs complacent and even keyboard-courageous.
Step 2 : Recruit the 2-3 intelligent authors that WNs read (Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.) who happen to bad at making money, so that they write for very little payment.
Step 3 : After a few years, start pushing for normalization of Hispanics (even if illegal; especially if illegal).
Step 4 : Call a white guy like Thomm a ‘South Asian’ based on zero evidence, and on ignoring overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This distracts 70-IQ WNs from his strategy.
Step 5 : Deploy people like Fred Reed and Chanda Chisala to generate even more confusion.
Step 6 : Out of the blue, recognize some commenters as ‘excellent commenters’, of which two are Muslims but zero are WNs.
Step 7: Point out how powerless and intellectually empty the White Tr**hionalist movement is.
We have just witnessed Step 7 before our eyes.
It works…and it is a lesson in asymmetrical attrition warfare by a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew. Remember, he got handed an unprestigious assignment from Jewish central command. Harvey Weinstein got to have sex with the prettiest actresses for 30 years, George Soros gets to be a billionaire, etc. But someone has to do the less glamorous work, and Runzie Baby is equal to the task.
Now, here is the thing. Those who talk about Auschwitz, lampshades, and soap never get moderated on TUR, but those who agree with Ron Unz do. He will even get angry with those who agree with him too vocally, even as any and all anti-Israel content is fully welcome.
Why?
It is because he thinks it will expose his game of 4D chess from the perception of a 70-IQ WN. But I guarantee that it cannot, since the typical White Tr**hionalist is far below the IQ threshold where they can observe the many pieces in motion. I can describe Ron’s plan in full detail (and I fully support it), without any risk of the WNs figuring out that they are the frog and the temperature is already up to about 170 degrees F.
I am strongly in favor of what Ron Unz is doing. This article was the latest trial balloon through which he tested the speed at which the temperature can be increased under the immersed-in-water frog. I look forward to seeing him go for the kill (i.e. 212 degrees F) by around 2023, which is just around the corner.
So was I right? Or was I right? Or was I right?
*That is a specific type of Jew, ya know. A Confuse and Conquer Jew.
The article was sound, though. Ron simply had his facts straight. Subsequent events unfortunately have borne Ron's conclusions out.Look, if you just want to dislike Jews, I get it, and I understand why; but if your complaint against Jews regards Jewish behavior, then I do not understand how targeting Ron Unz, of all persons, helps. He has been doing exactly what you and I wish many other Jews would do, and he has been doing it for a long time. My advice is to let him be.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Thomm
I'm coming around to Thomm's POV: it takes several FBI assets to build a WN organization; and in the case of the Proud Boys at least one homosexual asset with fussy facial hair. I separate white conservatives from low IQ WNs though the conservatives are now wallowing in the cratered remains of their movement which was based on the whims of a decadent plutocracy that has now joined the totalitarian left.
The drama in Maricopa County.
Question: if an election is totally legit and all done, why so much effort to prevent a real, forensic, audit? I mean, if there is nothing to hide, why all the smoke that looks like there’s something to hide?
It’s even worse than that. The Chauvin scalp waved “to reassure the plebs that the system works” not only does not satisfy the “reformers” (deformers), it also enrages an at least equal number of Deplorable plebs who perceive Chauvin did nothing wrong and who are “now effectively beyond the reach of the corporate media”.
The Dem-Media-Complex’s generation-long campaign of identity politics has set up a zero-sum racial spoils system nationwide. With real economic gains stagnant outside the plutocracy, now economic/political/cultural gains for the masses can only come at the expense of other masses. Needless to say, this is the opposite of a recipe for tranquility.
Secession looks like the least bad option when the alternative is an all-in all-or-nothing civil war.
Another matter: two or three commenters have posted county-level maps of the U.S. that award Redmerica most of the land. I judge the dream of partition along county lines to be fanciful (for no country in history has remotely resembled that as far as I know), yet the prospect of just letting the Blues have the entireties of mostly Red states like Georgia, Virginia, Colorado and Washington, just because the Blues have recently colonized those states' chief cities, is going to be pretty bitter to the decent Red citizens who have lived their entire lives in those states, who have jobs, homes, families and trades to abandon or at any rate to scramble. Then you have cases like Minnesota that have been Blue a long time but would be trending hard Red if recent immigration were subtracted. And then there are New York and Illinois, with large, heretofore stable Red populations outside the state's chief cities.I suppose that my point is this. A commenter in, say, Oklahoma might not see secession as a major problem, but nationwide partition is going to be a much bigger mess than some commenters might imagine. And even Oklahomans might not like it when a million displaced Illinoisans show up and start telling Oklahomans how to reorganize their affairs; and displaced rural Illinoisans will not as far as I know happily move into the tenements fleeing Blues vacate in Oklahoma City. Those Illinoisans will be American refugees. As I said, it's a mess.Replies: @dfordoom
Secession is the same. It's a magical solution.
Both the civil war fantasy and the secession fantasy are symptoms of despair.Replies: @JL, @Almost Missouri, @V. K. Ovelund
The loss of confidence in institutions that are inimical is a good thing in that it provides the opportunity for reform or replacement movements to grow. As usual it is a double-edged sword because no doubt it likely is the main reason the Covid vaccination rate seems to be stalling at about 50-60%.
About movements, it looks like the state is coming after the Oath Keepers with the intent to destroy the organization.
I guess some people are thinking twice about submitting their immune systems to a vaccine that is still in the development stage. Hopefully the technocrats along with their partners in the corporate sector will find a way to coerce the holdouts through the use vaccine IDs.
The Dem-Media-Complex's generation-long campaign of identity politics has set up a zero-sum racial spoils system nationwide. With real economic gains stagnant outside the plutocracy, now economic/political/cultural gains for the masses can only come at the expense of other masses. Needless to say, this is the opposite of a recipe for tranquility.
Secession looks like the least bad option when the alternative is an all-in all-or-nothing civil war.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @L. Guapo, @dfordoom
I dislike it, but am reluctantly starting to suspect that you might be right.
The Chauvin case is unsettling.
Have you any practical political idea as to how to move secession? As every U.S. fifth-grader is taught, secession went poorly for the secessionists last time. Does any path toward secession plausibly lie open, or must secessionists patiently await a turn of events?
Another matter: two or three commenters have posted county-level maps of the U.S. that award Redmerica most of the land. I judge the dream of partition along county lines to be fanciful (for no country in history has remotely resembled that as far as I know), yet the prospect of just letting the Blues have the entireties of mostly Red states like Georgia, Virginia, Colorado and Washington, just because the Blues have recently colonized those states’ chief cities, is going to be pretty bitter to the decent Red citizens who have lived their entire lives in those states, who have jobs, homes, families and trades to abandon or at any rate to scramble. Then you have cases like Minnesota that have been Blue a long time but would be trending hard Red if recent immigration were subtracted. And then there are New York and Illinois, with large, heretofore stable Red populations outside the state’s chief cities.
I suppose that my point is this. A commenter in, say, Oklahoma might not see secession as a major problem, but nationwide partition is going to be a much bigger mess than some commenters might imagine. And even Oklahomans might not like it when a million displaced Illinoisans show up and start telling Oklahomans how to reorganize their affairs; and displaced rural Illinoisans will not as far as I know happily move into the tenements fleeing Blues vacate in Oklahoma City. Those Illinoisans will be American refugees. As I said, it’s a mess.
Then there are class divides. There are also generational divides. A married couple might want to live in Red America but their kids might want to live in Blue America.
There are divides within marriages. You would have husbands wanting to live in Red America while their wives want to live in Blue America.
There's no single dividing line you could use to partition such a nation.
And secession almost invariably leads to war. The secession of the American colonies from the British Empire led to war. The attempted secession of the southern states led to war. The break-up of the Soviet Union has already led to several wars and there will be more. The Partition of India left a million dead and led to several wars. The break-up of the Ottoman Empire led to a century of wars. The break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire led to WW2.Replies: @Almost Missouri
Last year's article from Ron Unz about the Political Bankruptcy of White Nationalism really does prove what I have been saying all along about the true purpose of this website.
To recap :
It is a privilege to see a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew* like Ron Unz ply his trade. He singlehandedly ties up hundreds if not thousands of WNs at once. His strategy is particularly elegant when one observes the chess pieces that Ron advances in the correct sequence.
Step 1 : Make a website that WNs use (since they can never build anything on their own). Let any and all anti-Semitic slurs stand on the website to make WNs complacent and even keyboard-courageous.
Step 2 : Recruit the 2-3 intelligent authors that WNs read (Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.) who happen to bad at making money, so that they write for very little payment.
Step 3 : After a few years, start pushing for normalization of Hispanics (even if illegal; especially if illegal).
Step 4 : Call a white guy like Thomm a ‘South Asian’ based on zero evidence, and on ignoring overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This distracts 70-IQ WNs from his strategy.
Step 5 : Deploy people like Fred Reed and Chanda Chisala to generate even more confusion.
Step 6 : Out of the blue, recognize some commenters as ‘excellent commenters’, of which two are Muslims but zero are WNs.
Step 7: Point out how powerless and intellectually empty the White Tr**hionalist movement is.
We have just witnessed Step 7 before our eyes.
It works…and it is a lesson in asymmetrical attrition warfare by a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew. Remember, he got handed an unprestigious assignment from Jewish central command. Harvey Weinstein got to have sex with the prettiest actresses for 30 years, George Soros gets to be a billionaire, etc. But someone has to do the less glamorous work, and Runzie Baby is equal to the task.
Now, here is the thing. Those who talk about Auschwitz, lampshades, and soap never get moderated on TUR, but those who agree with Ron Unz do. He will even get angry with those who agree with him too vocally, even as any and all anti-Israel content is fully welcome.
Why?
It is because he thinks it will expose his game of 4D chess from the perception of a 70-IQ WN. But I guarantee that it cannot, since the typical White Tr**hionalist is far below the IQ threshold where they can observe the many pieces in motion. I can describe Ron’s plan in full detail (and I fully support it), without any risk of the WNs figuring out that they are the frog and the temperature is already up to about 170 degrees F.
I am strongly in favor of what Ron Unz is doing. This article was the latest trial balloon through which he tested the speed at which the temperature can be increased under the immersed-in-water frog. I look forward to seeing him go for the kill (i.e. 212 degrees F) by around 2023, which is just around the corner.
So was I right? Or was I right? Or was I right?
*That is a specific type of Jew, ya know. A Confuse and Conquer Jew.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @SunBakedSuburb, @anon, @PetrOldSack, @John Johnson
Ron has acted consistently, visibly, publicly, straightforwardly for the past 25 years. I am as suspicious of élite Jews as you or anyone is, but am unsure what more one could want from Ron.
You want Ron to like the same commenters you and I like? Why should he?
The article was sound, though. Ron simply had his facts straight. Subsequent events unfortunately have borne Ron’s conclusions out.
Look, if you just want to dislike Jews, I get it, and I understand why; but if your complaint against Jews regards Jewish behavior, then I do not understand how targeting Ron Unz, of all persons, helps. He has been doing exactly what you and I wish many other Jews would do, and he has been doing it for a long time. My advice is to let him be.
Last year's article from Ron Unz about the Political Bankruptcy of White Nationalism really does prove what I have been saying all along about the true purpose of this website.
To recap :
It is a privilege to see a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew* like Ron Unz ply his trade. He singlehandedly ties up hundreds if not thousands of WNs at once. His strategy is particularly elegant when one observes the chess pieces that Ron advances in the correct sequence.
Step 1 : Make a website that WNs use (since they can never build anything on their own). Let any and all anti-Semitic slurs stand on the website to make WNs complacent and even keyboard-courageous.
Step 2 : Recruit the 2-3 intelligent authors that WNs read (Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.) who happen to bad at making money, so that they write for very little payment.
Step 3 : After a few years, start pushing for normalization of Hispanics (even if illegal; especially if illegal).
Step 4 : Call a white guy like Thomm a ‘South Asian’ based on zero evidence, and on ignoring overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This distracts 70-IQ WNs from his strategy.
Step 5 : Deploy people like Fred Reed and Chanda Chisala to generate even more confusion.
Step 6 : Out of the blue, recognize some commenters as ‘excellent commenters’, of which two are Muslims but zero are WNs.
Step 7: Point out how powerless and intellectually empty the White Tr**hionalist movement is.
We have just witnessed Step 7 before our eyes.
It works…and it is a lesson in asymmetrical attrition warfare by a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew. Remember, he got handed an unprestigious assignment from Jewish central command. Harvey Weinstein got to have sex with the prettiest actresses for 30 years, George Soros gets to be a billionaire, etc. But someone has to do the less glamorous work, and Runzie Baby is equal to the task.
Now, here is the thing. Those who talk about Auschwitz, lampshades, and soap never get moderated on TUR, but those who agree with Ron Unz do. He will even get angry with those who agree with him too vocally, even as any and all anti-Israel content is fully welcome.
Why?
It is because he thinks it will expose his game of 4D chess from the perception of a 70-IQ WN. But I guarantee that it cannot, since the typical White Tr**hionalist is far below the IQ threshold where they can observe the many pieces in motion. I can describe Ron’s plan in full detail (and I fully support it), without any risk of the WNs figuring out that they are the frog and the temperature is already up to about 170 degrees F.
I am strongly in favor of what Ron Unz is doing. This article was the latest trial balloon through which he tested the speed at which the temperature can be increased under the immersed-in-water frog. I look forward to seeing him go for the kill (i.e. 212 degrees F) by around 2023, which is just around the corner.
So was I right? Or was I right? Or was I right?
*That is a specific type of Jew, ya know. A Confuse and Conquer Jew.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @SunBakedSuburb, @anon, @PetrOldSack, @John Johnson
“Make a website that WNs use (since they can never build anything on their own)”
I’m coming around to Thomm’s POV: it takes several FBI assets to build a WN organization; and in the case of the Proud Boys at least one homosexual asset with fussy facial hair. I separate white conservatives from low IQ WNs though the conservatives are now wallowing in the cratered remains of their movement which was based on the whims of a decadent plutocracy that has now joined the totalitarian left.
The article was sound, though. Ron simply had his facts straight. Subsequent events unfortunately have borne Ron's conclusions out.Look, if you just want to dislike Jews, I get it, and I understand why; but if your complaint against Jews regards Jewish behavior, then I do not understand how targeting Ron Unz, of all persons, helps. He has been doing exactly what you and I wish many other Jews would do, and he has been doing it for a long time. My advice is to let him be.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Thomm
Don’t reply to him, just use the “Commenters to Ignore” function.
“the Covid vaccination rate seems to be stalling at about 50-60%.”
I guess some people are thinking twice about submitting their immune systems to a vaccine that is still in the development stage. Hopefully the technocrats along with their partners in the corporate sector will find a way to coerce the holdouts through the use vaccine IDs.
“Dr. Robert Morgan” is full of shit. The obvious reply was already made on the other thread, but I copy it to here:
There has not been a systemic “pro-police narrative” responsible for locking up blacks in evidence-ignoring reasonable-doubt-ignoring trials. That’s crap.
I don’t know why AE selects some of these crappy comments for re-posting.
Okay. Too late this time, but I’ll let it go next time.
The core of the Alt-Right is, or used to be, a loose society of smart young men with interesting illiberal insights. However, as has observed, those smart young men (no longer so young) have increasingly been swamped by … well, actually, I don’t know who the swampers are. The swampers make no sense to me, but they are hardly in the spirit of the Alt-Right of 2014.
It was unnecessary to be paranoid to be Alt-Right in 2014. All you had to do was to notice what was in front of your nose, to deprecate virtue signaling, and to have a irreverent sense of humor about it all.
Meanwhile, it’s a bit rich for an anonymous online commenter to accuse a long-known public personage like Ron Unz, whose name, visage and district of residence have long been public information, who was even once a moderately high-profile candidate for California’s governorship, of being an FBI asset. One understands why commenters these days prefer anonymity, of course; but Ron is not anonymous and is not FBI.
And during the Trump Presidency the Overton Window shifted dramatically to the left. That was a huge psychological shock to the alt-right. They had confidently expected the opposite to happen. The immense growth in the power of the Wokeists was another bitter psychological blow.
The result was that many alt-righters retreated into a fantasy world of magical thinking, paranoia and conspiracy theories.
The article was sound, though. Ron simply had his facts straight. Subsequent events unfortunately have borne Ron's conclusions out.Look, if you just want to dislike Jews, I get it, and I understand why; but if your complaint against Jews regards Jewish behavior, then I do not understand how targeting Ron Unz, of all persons, helps. He has been doing exactly what you and I wish many other Jews would do, and he has been doing it for a long time. My advice is to let him be.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Thomm
You misunderstand me. In my original comment, I said I am in favor of what RUnzie Baby is doing, and have been all alone. I have routinely defended Jews on this website, and am often accused of being one.
But the true purpose of this website, which is to turn WNs into controlled opposition for Jewish benefit, is quite obvious. Ron Unz is not some rogue figure out to expose ‘Pravda’. He is about as establishment as one gets.
He is not FBI. Rather, he takes orders from the unofficial Jewish Central Command.
As far as confusing and conquering the WN types, take Chrisnonymous here. He has variously agreed with me on this point :
https://www.unz.com/anepigone/blackbird-singing-in-the-mid-of-fall/#comment-4070138
….and at the same time is worried that his IP address is in the database here, and is going into a database of WNs that the deep state keeps track of. But now want to shut out the facts, as if not seeing them makes them go away.
Mr Epigone says:
This is unsettling to the neo-liberal establishment, as well it should be. Economic expediency and inertia are the only things holding the country together politically. If the dollar breaks it’s hard to see how the country doesn’t. Good thing the dollar is impervious, I guess!
I say:
Asset Bubble talk might be better than dollar breaking in political messaging because you can more easily tie the asset bubble rhetoric into explaining the rancid Finance and Insurance and Real Estate FIRE sector currently running amok due to the monetary extremism of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.
Fed Organized Crime Syndicate Boss Jay Powell goes to Jeff Bezos’s massive compound estate in Swamp City DC for dinner and takes his orders from Bezos and other billionaires and Jay Powell only serves billionaires and the nasty skanks in the Upper Middle Class and corporate managerial slobs and foreigners. The Fed is the globalized organized criminal syndicate that pauperizes regular people and enriches the greedy, money-grubbing plutocrat slobs.
SECESSIONISM and MONETARY EXTREMISM and EXPLICIT WHITE IDENTITY POLICS and the JEW/WASP RULING CLASS of the American Empire and monetary policy madness and mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and anti-White propaganda endlessly emanating from the corporate propaganda apparatus and the only thing holding the American Empire together is monetary policy extremism from the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.
Don’t listen to corporate propaganda whore douchebags such as the rodentine Ross Douthat who sniff on about WHITE IDENTITY POLITICS being “toxic.” The Reagan/Bush/Trump Republican Party is toxic and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is toxic and the NY Times and the Wall Street Journal are toxic and Explicit White Identity Politics is exactly what will start the dislodgement process of the rancid JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.
Ruling Class Decapitation Will Save The Nation
I wrote this in December of 2020:
ESCHEW ADVICE FROM THE ANONYMOUS TONE ADVISORS
POPULIST INDEPENDENT CORE RHETORIC MUST BE SHORT SHARP SHOCK
THE ENGLISH WAY IS TO KEEP POUNDING SHORT SHARP SHOCK
Even if you have no English ancestry, or any ancestors who fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War From The British Empire, you must honor the English colonists who seceded from the British Empire and their words were sharp and their swords were sharp and they were only 25 percent of the colonists.
The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire controls the mass media and the Federal Reserve Bank and the US military and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class will only be dislodged by brave men and women who recognize the simple fact that the only thing holding the American Empire together is the monetary extremism of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.
White Core America says don’t hold back on the rhetoric if you’re calling for an immigration moratorium or the deportation of all illegal alien invaders or the deportation of 50 or 60 million interloper infiltrator colonizer foreigners and their offspring who were brought into the USA to act as demographic weapons against the European Christian ancestral core of the USA or the nationalization of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank or the offshore regional balancer strategy re-deployment of US imperial garrison troops or the financial liquidation of the globalizer billionaires or a ten thousand dollar a month Federal Reserve Bank Guaranteed Monthly Income or the immediate dislodgement from power of the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.
https://www.unz.com/anepigone/living-in-an-amish-paradise/#comment-4328741
Who says college degrees are worthless? They are excellent tools for indoctrination.
At one time, one of the main purposes of a college degree was to get students to think for themselves…but that was a long time ago.
The privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank is an organized crime syndicate and it must be NATIONALIZED immediately!
I wrote this in December of 2020:
Anything that increases dissension and secessionary political factionalism in the USA is a good thing if your goal is to dislodge the evil and treasonous JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire from power. Huge percentages of the American population are primed to repudiate debt and give their allegiance to a new political party that represents the historic American nation and the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.
The only thing holding the American Empire together is monetary extremism from the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank. Asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate are the only thing holding the American Empire together. The current asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate are about ready to implode.
This is the third frigging asset bubble, starting in the 1990s, that the plutocrat- and privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank has inflated using monetary extremism — low or zero or negative interest rates, asset purchases, quantitative easing, dollar swaps, direct central bank purchases of sovereign and corporate debt, balance sheet ballooning, bailouts…etc. — and enough is enough, DAMMIT!
Bring on the night on the perfidy and lies and mendacity of the mass media and the politician whores and the government worker treasonites who are doing everything in their power to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.
https://www.unz.com/anepigone/87-of-trump-voters-think-the-election-was-stolen/#comment-4337272
Tweets from 2015:
Haha, I doubt it comes up anymore. US History likely now consists of “1619-helpless-blacks-oppressed-by-evil-whites-blah-blah-blah-George-Floyd-PBUH-Obey-Giant!”
The turn of events, e.g., a currency collapse, may be the thing makes a plausible path to secession lie open altogether. Indeed, at that point, it may not just be a path, but a superhighway of rushing for the exit.
Recall that in 1988 saying that the Soviet Union and its tightly leashed satellite system was on the verge of dissolution was crazy talk, yet in the space of two years every satellite ejected from orbit and the Soviet Union itself suddenly decomposed into 15 constituent republics. This is the most recent and the most directly parallel model of imperial collapse for the USA.
Spread the gospel and prepare to seize the moment when it comes. If you live in a good place, join local government and make friends. If you don’t live in a good place, move there and make friends. To join local government, you don’t even have to win an election. Most local Republican Parties are severely understaffed and ripe for takeover by a motivated minority.
As one of those commenters, I will say that the simplest explanation is that Americans are probably the most heavily armed large population in history. In an environment of discredited/defeated/defunded central authority, who is going to tell several thousand (perhaps a typical red county muster) armed militia that they have to join a polity they want no part of? Heck, today, in full bloom of its “legitimacy” and power, the central authority cannot overawe even a few hundred lightly armed BLM/Anitfa militia. In a gloves-off scenario are those already reluctant authority enforcers going to risk getting their heads shot off when many of them likely secretly agree with the insurrectionists?
Obviously, there are many possible permutations here, and the Establishment likely wants to keep things simmering without letting it boil over. So I will just add the observation that county and state borders have moved many times in US history without a civil war, and they can do so again, so long as the people in those counties want it. That’s the bottom line: if you are living there, armed and cooperating with like-minded neighbors, is any modren liberal government willing to go full Stalin in the name preventing self-determination of peoples?
Last year's article from Ron Unz about the Political Bankruptcy of White Nationalism really does prove what I have been saying all along about the true purpose of this website.
To recap :
It is a privilege to see a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew* like Ron Unz ply his trade. He singlehandedly ties up hundreds if not thousands of WNs at once. His strategy is particularly elegant when one observes the chess pieces that Ron advances in the correct sequence.
Step 1 : Make a website that WNs use (since they can never build anything on their own). Let any and all anti-Semitic slurs stand on the website to make WNs complacent and even keyboard-courageous.
Step 2 : Recruit the 2-3 intelligent authors that WNs read (Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.) who happen to bad at making money, so that they write for very little payment.
Step 3 : After a few years, start pushing for normalization of Hispanics (even if illegal; especially if illegal).
Step 4 : Call a white guy like Thomm a ‘South Asian’ based on zero evidence, and on ignoring overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This distracts 70-IQ WNs from his strategy.
Step 5 : Deploy people like Fred Reed and Chanda Chisala to generate even more confusion.
Step 6 : Out of the blue, recognize some commenters as ‘excellent commenters’, of which two are Muslims but zero are WNs.
Step 7: Point out how powerless and intellectually empty the White Tr**hionalist movement is.
We have just witnessed Step 7 before our eyes.
It works…and it is a lesson in asymmetrical attrition warfare by a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew. Remember, he got handed an unprestigious assignment from Jewish central command. Harvey Weinstein got to have sex with the prettiest actresses for 30 years, George Soros gets to be a billionaire, etc. But someone has to do the less glamorous work, and Runzie Baby is equal to the task.
Now, here is the thing. Those who talk about Auschwitz, lampshades, and soap never get moderated on TUR, but those who agree with Ron Unz do. He will even get angry with those who agree with him too vocally, even as any and all anti-Israel content is fully welcome.
Why?
It is because he thinks it will expose his game of 4D chess from the perception of a 70-IQ WN. But I guarantee that it cannot, since the typical White Tr**hionalist is far below the IQ threshold where they can observe the many pieces in motion. I can describe Ron’s plan in full detail (and I fully support it), without any risk of the WNs figuring out that they are the frog and the temperature is already up to about 170 degrees F.
I am strongly in favor of what Ron Unz is doing. This article was the latest trial balloon through which he tested the speed at which the temperature can be increased under the immersed-in-water frog. I look forward to seeing him go for the kill (i.e. 212 degrees F) by around 2023, which is just around the corner.
So was I right? Or was I right? Or was I right?
*That is a specific type of Jew, ya know. A Confuse and Conquer Jew.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @SunBakedSuburb, @anon, @PetrOldSack, @John Johnson
•Boring Troll
The pigs are fighting a rearguard action that’s simply too competent for guard labor subject to caps on Wonderlic scores. They’re getting CIA help.
The pigs’ first line of defense is secret budgets. When facing civil society they treat resource allocation transparency like mobsters hiding behind their lip in court. It’s amazing to see. That permits tricks like fake defunding, with pigs garrisoned in the schools and shunted to the education budget, or secret Israeli training and military weapons. It’s FASAB Standard 56 for local gumshoes, a cookie-cutter application of CIA impunity for police corrupted by CIA’s Phoenix Center “Fusion Centers.”
Police abolition is the majority opinion among engaged members of the public, but that’s easy to derail with violent provocations and armed attacks on the civilian population (and that has always been CIA’s core competence, from OKC to the WTC to the Boston explosions.) There might be more room for error in community control of police. Being under control would cause massive attrition of police headcount. Pigs are people who like to kill and get away with it. They kill some poor sad sack every shift, on average.
When pig pensions bankrupt the first couple states (IL, NJ,) the pig problem will begin to solve itself. Administrators will slash pig pensions and give cops the same precarity as any other loser job.
Last year's article from Ron Unz about the Political Bankruptcy of White Nationalism really does prove what I have been saying all along about the true purpose of this website.
To recap :
It is a privilege to see a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew* like Ron Unz ply his trade. He singlehandedly ties up hundreds if not thousands of WNs at once. His strategy is particularly elegant when one observes the chess pieces that Ron advances in the correct sequence.
Step 1 : Make a website that WNs use (since they can never build anything on their own). Let any and all anti-Semitic slurs stand on the website to make WNs complacent and even keyboard-courageous.
Step 2 : Recruit the 2-3 intelligent authors that WNs read (Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.) who happen to bad at making money, so that they write for very little payment.
Step 3 : After a few years, start pushing for normalization of Hispanics (even if illegal; especially if illegal).
Step 4 : Call a white guy like Thomm a ‘South Asian’ based on zero evidence, and on ignoring overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This distracts 70-IQ WNs from his strategy.
Step 5 : Deploy people like Fred Reed and Chanda Chisala to generate even more confusion.
Step 6 : Out of the blue, recognize some commenters as ‘excellent commenters’, of which two are Muslims but zero are WNs.
Step 7: Point out how powerless and intellectually empty the White Tr**hionalist movement is.
We have just witnessed Step 7 before our eyes.
It works…and it is a lesson in asymmetrical attrition warfare by a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew. Remember, he got handed an unprestigious assignment from Jewish central command. Harvey Weinstein got to have sex with the prettiest actresses for 30 years, George Soros gets to be a billionaire, etc. But someone has to do the less glamorous work, and Runzie Baby is equal to the task.
Now, here is the thing. Those who talk about Auschwitz, lampshades, and soap never get moderated on TUR, but those who agree with Ron Unz do. He will even get angry with those who agree with him too vocally, even as any and all anti-Israel content is fully welcome.
Why?
It is because he thinks it will expose his game of 4D chess from the perception of a 70-IQ WN. But I guarantee that it cannot, since the typical White Tr**hionalist is far below the IQ threshold where they can observe the many pieces in motion. I can describe Ron’s plan in full detail (and I fully support it), without any risk of the WNs figuring out that they are the frog and the temperature is already up to about 170 degrees F.
I am strongly in favor of what Ron Unz is doing. This article was the latest trial balloon through which he tested the speed at which the temperature can be increased under the immersed-in-water frog. I look forward to seeing him go for the kill (i.e. 212 degrees F) by around 2023, which is just around the corner.
So was I right? Or was I right? Or was I right?
*That is a specific type of Jew, ya know. A Confuse and Conquer Jew.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @SunBakedSuburb, @anon, @PetrOldSack, @John Johnson
You were right! And you were not “edited”(congrats). As I was touching upon the tender loins of the mall of words as one more singular… I also wondered, what could be the harm done, the rump.unz readers (outside the Jewish cheerleaders awaiting a hypothetical turn in the dressing room, dressed and powdered, vulgarily called “trolls”) –will not react to the signaling.
Recall that in 1988 saying that the Soviet Union and its tightly leashed satellite system was on the verge of dissolution was crazy talk, yet in the space of two years every satellite ejected from orbit and the Soviet Union itself suddenly decomposed into 15 constituent republics. This is the most recent and the most directly parallel model of imperial collapse for the USA.Spread the gospel and prepare to seize the moment when it comes. If you live in a good place, join local government and make friends. If you don't live in a good place, move there and make friends. To join local government, you don't even have to win an election. Most local Republican Parties are severely understaffed and ripe for takeover by a motivated minority.As one of those commenters, I will say that the simplest explanation is that Americans are probably the most heavily armed large population in history. In an environment of discredited/defeated/defunded central authority, who is going to tell several thousand (perhaps a typical red county muster) armed militia that they have to join a polity they want no part of? Heck, today, in full bloom of its "legitimacy" and power, the central authority cannot overawe even a few hundred lightly armed BLM/Anitfa militia. In a gloves-off scenario are those already reluctant authority enforcers going to risk getting their heads shot off when many of them likely secretly agree with the insurrectionists?
Obviously, there are many possible permutations here, and the Establishment likely wants to keep things simmering without letting it boil over. So I will just add the observation that county and state borders have moved many times in US history without a civil war, and they can do so again, so long as the people in those counties want it. That's the bottom line: if you are living there, armed and cooperating with like-minded neighbors, is any modren liberal government willing to go full Stalin in the name preventing self-determination of peoples?Replies: @PetrOldSack, @nebulafox
Parallel loyalties are key. Every copper, any soldier, administrator, coder, “professional” of any sort comes home some nights, some even have friends, family and wives, even kids in cases. They are prone to illness, suicide and accidents. It is not long since paramilitaries (the Belgian and French “gendarmes” are one more example) used to live in barracks, to keep them under indoctrinate control. See it as a signal, when the military brass are rebuilding living compounds, and keeping the “storm”-troops within compounds. As I always prone: one eye on the social-media dogs and cats only, reserve the other for the immediate context.
Jan. the sixth was such a case of Central Government distrust of the Washington coppers, and calling in the National Guard squadron.
Mr Epigone says:
Why police communities that view you as an occupying force on behalf of a regime that views you as both contemptible and expendable? It’s a question a lot of city cops, especially white ones, are asking themselves.
There is a view that the Chauvin verdict gives the establishment a scalp to wave around to reassure the plebs that the system works, but it’s not going to satisfy the reformers. If they can’t cut the purse strings, they can make life hell for the people the purse pays. Depeople the police and defunding the police becomes easier. This movement is far from over.
I say:
Pat Buchanan wrote recently about White cops and disproportionate Black criminality and he succinctly stated it like Buchanan usually does:
https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-america-led-today-by-anti-americans/
“Why police communities that view you as an occupying force on behalf of a regime that views you as both contemptible and expendable?” For the money. For no other reason than the money. When the money is gone, so too will be the cops. And sayonara to them.
“ If the dollar breaks it’s hard to see how the country doesn’t. Good thing the dollar is impervious, I guess!” – AE
My recollection is that AE’s consistent position about the dollar breaking has been: Not a matter of if, but when. It appears that AE has now retreated, into uncertainty.
We call it Normalcy Bias.
I personally tend toward worst-case-scenario bias; they say that being early means being wrong … until it isn’t.
Recall that in 1988 saying that the Soviet Union and its tightly leashed satellite system was on the verge of dissolution was crazy talk, yet in the space of two years every satellite ejected from orbit and the Soviet Union itself suddenly decomposed into 15 constituent republics. This is the most recent and the most directly parallel model of imperial collapse for the USA.Spread the gospel and prepare to seize the moment when it comes. If you live in a good place, join local government and make friends. If you don't live in a good place, move there and make friends. To join local government, you don't even have to win an election. Most local Republican Parties are severely understaffed and ripe for takeover by a motivated minority.As one of those commenters, I will say that the simplest explanation is that Americans are probably the most heavily armed large population in history. In an environment of discredited/defeated/defunded central authority, who is going to tell several thousand (perhaps a typical red county muster) armed militia that they have to join a polity they want no part of? Heck, today, in full bloom of its "legitimacy" and power, the central authority cannot overawe even a few hundred lightly armed BLM/Anitfa militia. In a gloves-off scenario are those already reluctant authority enforcers going to risk getting their heads shot off when many of them likely secretly agree with the insurrectionists?
Obviously, there are many possible permutations here, and the Establishment likely wants to keep things simmering without letting it boil over. So I will just add the observation that county and state borders have moved many times in US history without a civil war, and they can do so again, so long as the people in those counties want it. That's the bottom line: if you are living there, armed and cooperating with like-minded neighbors, is any modren liberal government willing to go full Stalin in the name preventing self-determination of peoples?Replies: @PetrOldSack, @nebulafox
I think the unstated but visible assumption in our ruling class is that the US military will be allowed to go all-out against those deemed domestic threats in a way that they would never contemplate allowing against foreigners.
The Left are aware of that too, and are working on purging patriots from the ranks of the military. We'll see how that goes. It remains to be seen whether lesbians, trannies and affirmative action careerists can maintain and run a modern military.
Even if they succeed in a) repopulating the military with obedient servants, and b) operating the resulting mess, the real military, run by real soldiers, has not been particularly effective in pacifying small third world countries. Would the nü-military be more effective at pacifying a large first world country?
If you are feeling pessimistic, consult this reference video:
https://youtu.be/xeeO6FW8RZI
If the dollar breaks, that may not mean that the country breaks up into new ones. As the red/blue electoral maps show, there just isn’t enough in the way of clear geographical demarcations for the country to shatter like a diamond. We probably aren’t going to get anything that looks like those old hypothetical maps of North America that had a west coast Ecotopia, midwest Rustbeltland, southern Dixieland, white nationalist North West Republic etc.
What we might have is a diminished federal government operating on crypto currency or an internationalized basket of currencies revolving around the renminbi, and providing reduced services, control, and command. Localities will pick and choose how much control and cooperation the feds will get. We have already started to see the first signs of the refusal to continue to accept distant authority once it is viewed as illegitimate . The sanctuary states and cities that refuse to cooperate with the enforcement of immigration laws, autonomous zones in cities where government authority is not recognized, and now state and local governments resolving that they won’t enforce potential federal firearms laws.
We could all be still living inside a “United” States of America, using US passports for convenience, but the things that are most important will be decided locally. Might be less prosperous and secure, but people throughout history have managed to make a go of it in nations that didn’t offer the order, safety and prosperity of Golden Age America.
The Dem-Media-Complex's generation-long campaign of identity politics has set up a zero-sum racial spoils system nationwide. With real economic gains stagnant outside the plutocracy, now economic/political/cultural gains for the masses can only come at the expense of other masses. Needless to say, this is the opposite of a recipe for tranquility.
Secession looks like the least bad option when the alternative is an all-in all-or-nothing civil war.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @L. Guapo, @dfordoom
I really hope there aren’t too many people who think Chauvin did “nothing wrong”. He is clearly a piece of shit, but not a murderer.
That’s not the standard for conviction of any crime charged in a supposed Court of Law — “He is clearly a piece of shit” — the question is was he guilty of anything criminal in this case. Anything.
Here he restrained an out of control drugged out 6’4″ 240 lb man after 2 other Officers failed and while dealing with an angry menacing crowd. There is zero evidence he cut off any air ways or blood flow by his actions of holding Floyd down. An ambulance was on the way but treatment etc. was delayed due to the angry crowd. Floyd died of a drug overdose, he had something like 3xs the fatal dose in him and he was probably moving around as long as he did because of the Methamphetamine in his system — whatever personality defects Chauvin, you or anyone, has are totally irrelevant to questions of criminal guilt. He should have been found “Not Guilty” as to the Charges.
The question as to the “knee” move is one for the Black Captain who brought in the Israeli Trainers who taught it — he should have faced possible penalties there — the militarization of Police Departments Nationwide and use of Israeli Trainers is a bad thing and has zero to do with being “RAYCISSSSS” — the dreaded YT also gets killed/clobbered by the same often, when you militarize the Police we all become Palestinians — personally I’m not into that….
That's the standard for determining whether the world is a better place after that person's death.Replies: @Getaclue
Interesting point about the US being held together only by a common currency and inertia. A bit like the EU eh? I seem to recall Euro notes have a designator on them identifying which national central back issued them. Since actual transactions in currency are a small fraction of total economic transactions it hasn’t become an ‘issue’ yet but there are worries it could.
Imagine if Texas and Florida decided to issue a state backed currency analogous to the US dollar. US dollars would still be “legal tender for all debts public and private” but so would the state backed currencies within that state. Gresham’s law and experience show ‘good money’ is hoarded and bad money circulates as its worth declines what might happen to the glue holding the US together. Fiscally strong states could raise money at funds denominated in their state currency at a lower rate than the United States government. Corporations could pay their wages and state tax obligations in US dollars but it wouldn’t be long before their local vendors would discount US dollars and employees insist they be paid in Texas or Florida dollars.
The Dem-Media-Complex's generation-long campaign of identity politics has set up a zero-sum racial spoils system nationwide. With real economic gains stagnant outside the plutocracy, now economic/political/cultural gains for the masses can only come at the expense of other masses. Needless to say, this is the opposite of a recipe for tranquility.
Secession looks like the least bad option when the alternative is an all-in all-or-nothing civil war.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @L. Guapo, @dfordoom
There isn’t going to be a civil war. The idea that there’s going to be a civil war is a right-wing wish-fulfilment fantasy. It’s magical thinking. The popularity of the idea on the far Right simply reflects the fact that people on the far Right know that the culture war is hopelessly lost and that their only hope of winning is magic.
Secession is the same. It’s a magical solution.
Both the civil war fantasy and the secession fantasy are symptoms of despair.
2) How do you expect dollar printing will end? Or will it go on forever?Replies: @dfordoom, @John Johnson
Another matter: two or three commenters have posted county-level maps of the U.S. that award Redmerica most of the land. I judge the dream of partition along county lines to be fanciful (for no country in history has remotely resembled that as far as I know), yet the prospect of just letting the Blues have the entireties of mostly Red states like Georgia, Virginia, Colorado and Washington, just because the Blues have recently colonized those states' chief cities, is going to be pretty bitter to the decent Red citizens who have lived their entire lives in those states, who have jobs, homes, families and trades to abandon or at any rate to scramble. Then you have cases like Minnesota that have been Blue a long time but would be trending hard Red if recent immigration were subtracted. And then there are New York and Illinois, with large, heretofore stable Red populations outside the state's chief cities.I suppose that my point is this. A commenter in, say, Oklahoma might not see secession as a major problem, but nationwide partition is going to be a much bigger mess than some commenters might imagine. And even Oklahomans might not like it when a million displaced Illinoisans show up and start telling Oklahomans how to reorganize their affairs; and displaced rural Illinoisans will not as far as I know happily move into the tenements fleeing Blues vacate in Oklahoma City. Those Illinoisans will be American refugees. As I said, it's a mess.Replies: @dfordoom
There’s no neat way to do secession because you’re not dealing with a single dividing line but with all sorts of divides. There’s Republican/Democrat, liberal/conservative, white/non-white, Christian/non-Christian but those divides conflict with each other. There are black Republicans and socially conservative Democrats. There are economic conservatives who are social liberals. There are liberal Christians and socially conservative Jews.
Then there are class divides. There are also generational divides. A married couple might want to live in Red America but their kids might want to live in Blue America.
There are divides within marriages. You would have husbands wanting to live in Red America while their wives want to live in Blue America.
There’s no single dividing line you could use to partition such a nation.
And secession almost invariably leads to war. The secession of the American colonies from the British Empire led to war. The attempted secession of the southern states led to war. The break-up of the Soviet Union has already led to several wars and there will be more. The Partition of India left a million dead and led to several wars. The break-up of the Ottoman Empire led to a century of wars. The break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire led to WW2.
Did the UK prepare for war with Brussels over British secession from the European Union?
Are Scottish National Party secessionists preparing for war with England?
Did Quebecois secessionists prepare for war with Ottawa?
No, no and no. Why not? Because they knew and know that their (former) capitols would not bother fighting about it.
I mention those because they are the most recent Anglosphere cases.
And saying that states formed by secession have been involved in wars is a straw man, as many, perhaps most, states were arguably formed by secession at some point, so blaming subsequent violence on secession is meaningless. Even if you can establish a causal link between secession and violence, it still would only describe one side of the balance sheet. It would have to be compared to the violence that could result from non-secession, as in the example of apocalyptic conflict involving the Soviet Union, above.
A lot of what has happened is the result of disillusionment with the Trump Presidency. It’s not that people expected miracles but it was reasonable to expect that he would at least do a few obvious things such as addressing the power of the media oligarchs and addressing the power of the tech oligarchs. He did nothing.
And during the Trump Presidency the Overton Window shifted dramatically to the left. That was a huge psychological shock to the alt-right. They had confidently expected the opposite to happen. The immense growth in the power of the Wokeists was another bitter psychological blow.
The result was that many alt-righters retreated into a fantasy world of magical thinking, paranoia and conspiracy theories.
Secession is the same. It's a magical solution.
Both the civil war fantasy and the secession fantasy are symptoms of despair.Replies: @JL, @Almost Missouri, @V. K. Ovelund
I’d add this whole breaking of the dollar thing to the list of fantasies that are really symptoms of despair. Civil war, secession, breaking of the dollar, hyperinflation, market crash, all habbening any day now.
Most people just can't handle extreme levels of despair so the mind, in order to preserve some shreds of sanity, retreats into fantasy.
And after the failure of Trumpism the despair levels on the far right are off the scale.
I can sympathise. The current prospects for both America and the world are pretty grim.Replies: @iffen
Secession is the same. It's a magical solution.
Both the civil war fantasy and the secession fantasy are symptoms of despair.Replies: @JL, @Almost Missouri, @V. K. Ovelund
1) How do you expect liberalism will end? Or will it go on forever?
2) How do you expect dollar printing will end? Or will it go on forever?
Secession is the same. It's a magical solution.
Both the civil war fantasy and the secession fantasy are symptoms of despair.Replies: @JL, @Almost Missouri, @V. K. Ovelund
Other than for your ritual abuse of the far Right, I am inclined to think that you have correctly assessed the circumstance. However, one quibble:
Civil wars happen. Civil wars are not uncommon. Various countries suffer them. The United States has arguably never had a proper civil war, but nothing I know especially prevents one from being fought in the United States.
A real civil war probably involves a fracture in the Pentagon and foreign intervention. Under those circumstances, governors of certain U.S. states acquire operational influence to affect the outcome. I don’t want to turn this comment into a larping 1980s television fantasy about deer hunters rallying the good old boys of the county at the school-board meeting, nor do I desire a civil war, but actual civil wars do in fact occur for various reasons in various ways, nor is the United States immune.
The other side has a tiny handful of guys with AR-15s and pickup trucks. With no logistic support, no mass support to supply them with food and shelter, no organisation and no leadership.
So if there was a civil war it would be all over in about fifteen minutes. Which is why there won't be a civil war.
And state governors aren't going to try secession because they don't want to spend the rest of their lives in Guantanamo Bay.
It is. And if you visit the woolier shores of Twitter, it is not even unstated. The Left is explicitly counting on blitzkrieging/droning/nuking you. At this point, most of the people charged with pulling the triggers of such blitzkrieging/droning/nuking would not, IMHO, do it. It would be a situation like 1991 in Russia or 1989 in Romania where the armed forces switch sides.
The Left are aware of that too, and are working on purging patriots from the ranks of the military. We’ll see how that goes. It remains to be seen whether lesbians, trannies and affirmative action careerists can maintain and run a modern military.
Even if they succeed in a) repopulating the military with obedient servants, and b) operating the resulting mess, the real military, run by real soldiers, has not been particularly effective in pacifying small third world countries. Would the nü-military be more effective at pacifying a large first world country?
If you are feeling pessimistic, consult this reference video:
You need two sides both capable of fighting a civil war and both willing to do so. That situation does not exist today. One side has all the money and all the power and it has the police and the military and the intelligence agencies and the media and the entire corporate sector and the bureaucracy and the entire apparatus of government on its side.
The other side has a tiny handful of guys with AR-15s and pickup trucks. With no logistic support, no mass support to supply them with food and shelter, no organisation and no leadership.
So if there was a civil war it would be all over in about fifteen minutes. Which is why there won’t be a civil war.
And state governors aren’t going to try secession because they don’t want to spend the rest of their lives in Guantanamo Bay.
Then there are class divides. There are also generational divides. A married couple might want to live in Red America but their kids might want to live in Blue America.
There are divides within marriages. You would have husbands wanting to live in Red America while their wives want to live in Blue America.
There's no single dividing line you could use to partition such a nation.
And secession almost invariably leads to war. The secession of the American colonies from the British Empire led to war. The attempted secession of the southern states led to war. The break-up of the Soviet Union has already led to several wars and there will be more. The Partition of India left a million dead and led to several wars. The break-up of the Ottoman Empire led to a century of wars. The break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire led to WW2.Replies: @Almost Missouri
False. Most recent secessions have not led to war. Indeed, the break up of the Soviet Union averted the most potentially catastrophic war of all time.
Did the UK prepare for war with Brussels over British secession from the European Union?
Are Scottish National Party secessionists preparing for war with England?
Did Quebecois secessionists prepare for war with Ottawa?
No, no and no. Why not? Because they knew and know that their (former) capitols would not bother fighting about it.
I mention those because they are the most recent Anglosphere cases.
And saying that states formed by secession have been involved in wars is a straw man, as many, perhaps most, states were arguably formed by secession at some point, so blaming subsequent violence on secession is meaningless. Even if you can establish a causal link between secession and violence, it still would only describe one side of the balance sheet. It would have to be compared to the violence that could result from non-secession, as in the example of apocalyptic conflict involving the Soviet Union, above.
That’s not the standard for conviction of any crime charged in a supposed Court of Law — “He is clearly a piece of shit”
That’s the standard for determining whether the world is a better place after that person’s death.
Yeah, pretty much.
Most people just can’t handle extreme levels of despair so the mind, in order to preserve some shreds of sanity, retreats into fantasy.
And after the failure of Trumpism the despair levels on the far right are off the scale.
I can sympathise. The current prospects for both America and the world are pretty grim.
2) How do you expect dollar printing will end? Or will it go on forever?Replies: @dfordoom, @John Johnson
Nothing lasts forever. It’s not possible to make long-term predictions. But in the short to medium term (say the next few decades at least) neo-liberalism seems likely to continue and to become steadily more unpleasant.
Again, nobody knows in the long term. But I suspect that it can go for a very long time yet.
For example, will liberalism/progressivism/whatever end with or without normalizing and enshrining into law polygamy? With or without enshrining pederasty? Bestiality? Transracialism? Mandatory miscegenation? Child liberation? Atomic citizenism (individual sovereignty)? In other words, are all these things inevitable, or does the liberal script have an end marker that excludes anything that might otherwise appear to be a logical conclusion? Or, irrespective of any internal limit of liberalism, is there some point at which its imposition into the lives of its subjects exceeds liberalism's ability to enforce those impositions?
Similarly, is there some end condition to dollar printing or does the plutocracy simply become infinitely wealthy through control of the Fed? Is there a limit to government budget deficits, or is that infinite? Is there a limit to trade deficits, or is that infinite? Or again, if there is no internal constraint, is there some point at which external parties act to end dollar printing?Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom
Most people just can't handle extreme levels of despair so the mind, in order to preserve some shreds of sanity, retreats into fantasy.
And after the failure of Trumpism the despair levels on the far right are off the scale.
I can sympathise. The current prospects for both America and the world are pretty grim.Replies: @iffen
And after the failure of Trumpism
Trump didn’t fail. Only America haters, foreign and domestic, think that.
Before Trump was elected the alt-right was brimming with confidence. Now after four years of Trump they're in the depths of despair and paranoia and resorting to belief in wild fantasies.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @A123, @iffen
Would you deny my point that the Overton Window shifted significantly to the left during his presidency? Or that Wokeism went from being fringe to being mainstream? Or that the media and social media now have even more power than they had before? Would you deny that the Cultural Revolution accelerated during his presidency?
Before Trump was elected the alt-right was brimming with confidence. Now after four years of Trump they’re in the depths of despair and paranoia and resorting to belief in wild fantasies.
One finds little reason to question the essay's prophecy even today, but since Trump in fact won the presidency in 2016, we shall never know.
As far as confidence goes, the alt-right brimmed with confidence once Trump unexpectedly won. Before that, they were mostly irreverent young trolls stirring mischief on what, at the time, was still a free Internet. Irreverence is a form of confidence, I suppose, but those kids have since grown up, gotten married, acquired mortgages and so on. The alt-right doesn't really exist any longer.
As far as the other points go, you have asked @iffen rather than me, so I will gratuitously add my answers nevertheless.Americans of the Left, the Center and the Right seem to agree that the Overton Window shifted to the right. A lot. That is why the Left is now panicking, trying to decide whether to go full Stalin or merely to institutionalize election theft or just to swamp the country with millions of extra immigrants, while they still have the chance.The change of which you speak was already underway, as Steve Sailer then chronicled, month by month, in real time. I cannot say if Trump's defeat in 2016 would have stopped the shift, of course. It might have. That is plausible. It is impossible to know now.Replies: @dfordoom
______SJW Islamic Globalists have become more intolerant... look at Ilhan Omar, Rashid Tlaib, and "The Squad". The window is closing on this extremism. Look at the Oscars' ratings.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/oscar_viewership_through_the_years_04-26-2021.jpg
MAGA Christian Populists have a new steely cold resolve backed up by organization and commitment. When Trump took office, the GOP(e) was still strong and undermined pro-Worker Populism at every opportunity. Today, a robust & enthusiastic MAGA has routed the GOP(e) from the Populist party. Every GOP(e) swamp creature has announced retirement -or- will face a MAGA primary challenger.There are a few highly anti-Semitic, White Nationalists that are crushed that the president with Jewish family would not join their racist cause. However, this tiny fringe has little significance.PEACE 😇Replies: @John Johnson, @V. K. Ovelund
The main effect of the alt-right is as a foil for the left totalitarians. Useful to them for occasions like Charlottesville and the D. C. electoral protest. Politically, in a positive sense, the alt-right is a nothing-burger.
Culturally, we will have to wait and see. The pro-life people think that victory is within their grasp.
On a related note, what’s up with your government? Apparently, the Prime Minister and some others have grown a pair and are making plans to stand up to Red China.Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom, @V. K. Ovelund
I wasn’t asking how long before they end, which, as you say, no one knows. I asked how they will end.
For example, will liberalism/progressivism/whatever end with or without normalizing and enshrining into law polygamy? With or without enshrining pederasty? Bestiality? Transracialism? Mandatory miscegenation? Child liberation? Atomic citizenism (individual sovereignty)? In other words, are all these things inevitable, or does the liberal script have an end marker that excludes anything that might otherwise appear to be a logical conclusion? Or, irrespective of any internal limit of liberalism, is there some point at which its imposition into the lives of its subjects exceeds liberalism’s ability to enforce those impositions?
Similarly, is there some end condition to dollar printing or does the plutocracy simply become infinitely wealthy through control of the Fed? Is there a limit to government budget deficits, or is that infinite? Is there a limit to trade deficits, or is that infinite? Or again, if there is no internal constraint, is there some point at which external parties act to end dollar printing?
If the latter is the case then those powerful interest groups can call a halt whenever they want to, and can accelerate or decelerate the process at will.
Were Wokeism and SJWism things that just spontaneously arose, or were they deliberately engineered?Replies: @A123
Before Trump was elected the alt-right was brimming with confidence. Now after four years of Trump they're in the depths of despair and paranoia and resorting to belief in wild fantasies.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @A123, @iffen
It is hard to judge it from the distance of the Antipodes, so no blame goes to you, but you track these things closely enough that one suspects that you read Publius Decius Mus’ influential essay, “The Flight 93 Election,” in September 2016, when Trump seemed headed for probable defeat. That essay forecast the path not taken. It forecast America without Trump.
One finds little reason to question the essay’s prophecy even today, but since Trump in fact won the presidency in 2016, we shall never know.
As far as confidence goes, the alt-right brimmed with confidence once Trump unexpectedly won. Before that, they were mostly irreverent young trolls stirring mischief on what, at the time, was still a free Internet. Irreverence is a form of confidence, I suppose, but those kids have since grown up, gotten married, acquired mortgages and so on. The alt-right doesn’t really exist any longer.
As far as the other points go, you have asked rather than me, so I will gratuitously add my answers nevertheless.
Americans of the Left, the Center and the Right seem to agree that the Overton Window shifted to the right. A lot. That is why the Left is now panicking, trying to decide whether to go full Stalin or merely to institutionalize election theft or just to swamp the country with millions of extra immigrants, while they still have the chance.
The change of which you speak was already underway, as Steve Sailer then chronicled, month by month, in real time. I cannot say if Trump’s defeat in 2016 would have stopped the shift, of course. It might have. That is plausible. It is impossible to know now.
The fact that Trump got cancelled by Twitter would seem to indicate that his efforts to shift the Overton Window to the right failed pretty comprehensively.
Can you point to any Culture War issues on which Trump achieved anything lasting?
Posting tweets that triggered liberals does not amount to the kinds of permanent cultural changes that were desperately needed. All Trump really did was to galvanise and energise the Cultural Left. He certainly irritated and upset them, but all that did was to make them more united, better organised and more focused. He annoyed them, but without any permanent positive effects. Wokeism and SJWism are more powerful today than they were pre-Trump.
Trump failed to attack the roots of the cultural problems facing society. Academia is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left, the media is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left, the bureaucracy is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left. Even the military is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
For example, will liberalism/progressivism/whatever end with or without normalizing and enshrining into law polygamy? With or without enshrining pederasty? Bestiality? Transracialism? Mandatory miscegenation? Child liberation? Atomic citizenism (individual sovereignty)? In other words, are all these things inevitable, or does the liberal script have an end marker that excludes anything that might otherwise appear to be a logical conclusion? Or, irrespective of any internal limit of liberalism, is there some point at which its imposition into the lives of its subjects exceeds liberalism's ability to enforce those impositions?
Similarly, is there some end condition to dollar printing or does the plutocracy simply become infinitely wealthy through control of the Fed? Is there a limit to government budget deficits, or is that infinite? Is there a limit to trade deficits, or is that infinite? Or again, if there is no internal constraint, is there some point at which external parties act to end dollar printing?Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom
It is an interesting question. It would appear that it does not. The apparent goal of the brand of liberalism of which you speak is not to achieve any particular social aim but merely to be lefter-than-thou.
The race to the left stops when a Stalin takes command and decrees, “Now that I am in charge, we have had Revolution enough. No farther left!” That is why these revolutions—whether England 1648, France 1789, Russia 1917 or Cambodia 1975—generally seem to end with the leftists shooting one another in the back of the head while the rest of us watch in horror.
That the United States 2021 might go similarly seems not entirely improbable to me.
It would appear that it does not.
Correct. 120 years ago the Progressive movement in the US had a number of goals; the Pure Food & Drug act was one. Others included the populist governing levers of initiative and referendum. California was very active in this.
https://ballotpedia.org/History_of_Initiative_and_Referendum_in_California
Fast forward to 2008 and Proposition 8, banning homosexual marriage, passed by a substantial margin. The people had spoken! One judge in San Francisco invalidated that whole part of the election on specious grounds, then promptly retired to live with his “husband”. Any appeal to the Cali Supremes was a foregone conclusion. 2008 Progressivism had utter contempt for the people who dared to self-govern with a Proposition.
Progressives were opposed to segregation by race. Now they embrace it in some forms. The contradiction doesn’t bother them because “it’s different when we do it” is a leftist truism.
If Newsom is actually removed from office via petition, we can expect efforts to make such petitions much more difficult, if not impossible. The ruling elites are not amused by uppity subjects.
The revolution must constantly advance on all fronts! If that means overturning past victories, destroying previous iron-clad social agreements, reversing even common sense, so be it.
The ride never ends.
Before Trump was elected the alt-right was brimming with confidence. Now after four years of Trump they're in the depths of despair and paranoia and resorting to belief in wild fantasies.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @A123, @iffen
Yes. You have 100% misread the situation. The Overton Window has been shattered.
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SJW Islamic Globalists have become more intolerant… look at Ilhan Omar, Rashid Tlaib, and “The Squad”. The window is closing on this extremism. Look at the Oscars’ ratings.
MAGA Christian Populists have a new steely cold resolve backed up by organization and commitment.
When Trump took office, the GOP(e) was still strong and undermined pro-Worker Populism at every opportunity. Today, a robust & enthusiastic MAGA has routed the GOP(e) from the Populist party. Every GOP(e) swamp creature has announced retirement -or- will face a MAGA primary challenger.
There are a few highly anti-Semitic, White Nationalists that are crushed that the president with Jewish family would not join their racist cause. However, this tiny fringe has little significance.
PEACE 😇
Yea right. Go give a public lecture on eugenics and see how far that goes.
When Trump took office, the GOP(e) was still strong and undermined pro-Worker Populism at every opportunity. Today, a robust & enthusiastic MAGA has routed the GOP(e) from the Populist party.
Total fantasy. There is nothing populist about embracing private health care at the expense of workers.
I support the populists but the swamp lords are still in charge of DC and the GOP. McConnell (who turned on Trump) is the one that didn't want another stimulus payment and that led to the Dem majority. They were even telling Georgia voters that one more Democrat = cash.Replies: @dfordoom, @A123
For a brief period, 2014–17, that 6 percent found a coherent voice in the Alt-Right. The visible Alt-Right seems to have been replaced by boring, stupid, 1980s-type FBI-seeded White Nationalism, yet the 6 percent are still there, without a coherent voice for now.
Anyway, it is certainly possible that the Republican Party will become the preferred party of Jews. Since Jews are influential and since it is impossible to escape them, I'd rather have them on my side. Life is full of compromises.
The test will be to see what Jews do with the Republican Party once it becomes the preferred party of Jews, but I think that you might be missing the larger picture. Jews are so influential in the United States that they have simultaneously made both national parties the parties of Jews. No other 2-percent ethny could dream of such a stunt.Replies: @A123
Last year's article from Ron Unz about the Political Bankruptcy of White Nationalism really does prove what I have been saying all along about the true purpose of this website.
To recap :
It is a privilege to see a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew* like Ron Unz ply his trade. He singlehandedly ties up hundreds if not thousands of WNs at once. His strategy is particularly elegant when one observes the chess pieces that Ron advances in the correct sequence.
Step 1 : Make a website that WNs use (since they can never build anything on their own). Let any and all anti-Semitic slurs stand on the website to make WNs complacent and even keyboard-courageous.
Step 2 : Recruit the 2-3 intelligent authors that WNs read (Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.) who happen to bad at making money, so that they write for very little payment.
Step 3 : After a few years, start pushing for normalization of Hispanics (even if illegal; especially if illegal).
Step 4 : Call a white guy like Thomm a ‘South Asian’ based on zero evidence, and on ignoring overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This distracts 70-IQ WNs from his strategy.
Step 5 : Deploy people like Fred Reed and Chanda Chisala to generate even more confusion.
Step 6 : Out of the blue, recognize some commenters as ‘excellent commenters’, of which two are Muslims but zero are WNs.
Step 7: Point out how powerless and intellectually empty the White Tr**hionalist movement is.
We have just witnessed Step 7 before our eyes.
It works…and it is a lesson in asymmetrical attrition warfare by a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew. Remember, he got handed an unprestigious assignment from Jewish central command. Harvey Weinstein got to have sex with the prettiest actresses for 30 years, George Soros gets to be a billionaire, etc. But someone has to do the less glamorous work, and Runzie Baby is equal to the task.
Now, here is the thing. Those who talk about Auschwitz, lampshades, and soap never get moderated on TUR, but those who agree with Ron Unz do. He will even get angry with those who agree with him too vocally, even as any and all anti-Israel content is fully welcome.
Why?
It is because he thinks it will expose his game of 4D chess from the perception of a 70-IQ WN. But I guarantee that it cannot, since the typical White Tr**hionalist is far below the IQ threshold where they can observe the many pieces in motion. I can describe Ron’s plan in full detail (and I fully support it), without any risk of the WNs figuring out that they are the frog and the temperature is already up to about 170 degrees F.
I am strongly in favor of what Ron Unz is doing. This article was the latest trial balloon through which he tested the speed at which the temperature can be increased under the immersed-in-water frog. I look forward to seeing him go for the kill (i.e. 212 degrees F) by around 2023, which is just around the corner.
So was I right? Or was I right? Or was I right?
*That is a specific type of Jew, ya know. A Confuse and Conquer Jew.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @SunBakedSuburb, @anon, @PetrOldSack, @John Johnson
Another fine example of:
You don’t agree with me on every position so you must be a conniving Jew.
I had no idea this was supposed to be White nationalist website. Is that stated in a mission statement somewhere?
I for one am certainly not a White nationalist. I am Germanic-American and I cannot count the number of White men that have tried to deceive me for various reasons. Every small town has some White male preacher trying to control his congregants instead of helping them. Every college has a White male professor that lies every single day because he hates the reality of race. Oh but this is Unz where I’m supposed to let that all go and just blame it on the Jews.
Which America do White nationalists live in? Certainly not one where White men look out for each other if they actually spend time outside their basements.
So go start your own White Men of America and see how far that goes. White men of America are too ego centric and wrapped in ideology to work together. Half of them think Angry Israel God is gonna fix everything anyways or at least send those faggots and liberals to hell. In fact the Evangelicals cheer on the destruction of America because it means the apocalypse is coming.
I am simply anti-establishment. I would have no problem aligning with Hispanics if it meant tearing down this ridiculously stupid circus and all of its enablers.
2) How do you expect dollar printing will end? Or will it go on forever?Replies: @dfordoom, @John Johnson
How do you expect liberalism will end? Or will it go on forever?
I can answer that.
It can’t go on forever.
Liberalism will at the very least end when it has to admit that race exists out of necessity.
Eventually it will be in the position of having to admit that race exists on the basis that it can be mitigated through genetic engineering.
But that would be the end of liberalism. It can’t exist without belief in blank slate.
That could still take a while and we could have a majority Muslim France for Britain by then.
______SJW Islamic Globalists have become more intolerant... look at Ilhan Omar, Rashid Tlaib, and "The Squad". The window is closing on this extremism. Look at the Oscars' ratings.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/oscar_viewership_through_the_years_04-26-2021.jpg
MAGA Christian Populists have a new steely cold resolve backed up by organization and commitment. When Trump took office, the GOP(e) was still strong and undermined pro-Worker Populism at every opportunity. Today, a robust & enthusiastic MAGA has routed the GOP(e) from the Populist party. Every GOP(e) swamp creature has announced retirement -or- will face a MAGA primary challenger.There are a few highly anti-Semitic, White Nationalists that are crushed that the president with Jewish family would not join their racist cause. However, this tiny fringe has little significance.PEACE 😇Replies: @John Johnson, @V. K. Ovelund
Yes. You have 100% misread the situation. The Overton Window has been shattered.
Yea right. Go give a public lecture on eugenics and see how far that goes.
When Trump took office, the GOP(e) was still strong and undermined pro-Worker Populism at every opportunity. Today, a robust & enthusiastic MAGA has routed the GOP(e) from the Populist party.
Total fantasy. There is nothing populist about embracing private health care at the expense of workers.
I support the populists but the swamp lords are still in charge of DC and the GOP. McConnell (who turned on Trump) is the one that didn’t want another stimulus payment and that led to the Dem majority. They were even telling Georgia voters that one more Democrat = cash.
McConnell is already formulating his exit from the Senate. Why else would Kentucky change state law to prevent a Democrat party Governor from making Senate appointments? It is a clear indication that a Senate vacancy is on the horizon.
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One essential for understanding -- Political change is a process that takes time.
Ejecting the Corporate Globalists was a necessary step towards becoming the MAGA Worker party. The U.S. is a two party system. The rejected Corporate faction has aligned with SJW, hence the JPMC flaming parade float.
The terminology has yet to catch up to Worker/Right and Corporate/Left, so Left & Right are muddy terms. Using Populist and Globalist is a clearer way to think about the sides.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Getaclue
For example, will liberalism/progressivism/whatever end with or without normalizing and enshrining into law polygamy? With or without enshrining pederasty? Bestiality? Transracialism? Mandatory miscegenation? Child liberation? Atomic citizenism (individual sovereignty)? In other words, are all these things inevitable, or does the liberal script have an end marker that excludes anything that might otherwise appear to be a logical conclusion? Or, irrespective of any internal limit of liberalism, is there some point at which its imposition into the lives of its subjects exceeds liberalism's ability to enforce those impositions?
Similarly, is there some end condition to dollar printing or does the plutocracy simply become infinitely wealthy through control of the Fed? Is there a limit to government budget deficits, or is that infinite? Is there a limit to trade deficits, or is that infinite? Or again, if there is no internal constraint, is there some point at which external parties act to end dollar printing?Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom
A lot depends on whether you believe that the progress of liberalism has been an organic process, in other words something inherent in liberalism. Or whether you believe that the entire liberal agenda is being consciously directed by powerful interest groups (the bureaucracy, the corporate sector, the media, etc).
If the latter is the case then those powerful interest groups can call a halt whenever they want to, and can accelerate or decelerate the process at will.
Were Wokeism and SJWism things that just spontaneously arose, or were they deliberately engineered?
-- Eradication of traditional Judeo-Christian values
-- Silencing of American workers
-- Maximising quarterly profits (e.g. wage suppression)
Elites want fear & hate they can hype via the Fake Stream Media without any policy that actually empowers U.S. Citizens.
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All of the things they leapt on have minimum substance & maximum symbolism -- SJW, Occupy Wall Street, Wokeness, Political Correctness, BLM, Cancel Culture, WUHAN-19 Masking, etc. They will move onto a new fad when the current one no longer serves their interests.
The problem with juicing hate for political gain is that it does not go away. And, it can turn on the Elites. What happens when:
-- BLM demands, "Google & Microsoft must hire black software/application developers"?
-- Defund the Police causes the formation of private security militias?
The Elites, looking at record firearms sales, are just now realizing they have made a mistake. They are having a huge difficulty distracting from their hypocrisy, "Walls for Me, But not for Thee".
PEACE 😇Replies: @A123
One finds little reason to question the essay's prophecy even today, but since Trump in fact won the presidency in 2016, we shall never know.
As far as confidence goes, the alt-right brimmed with confidence once Trump unexpectedly won. Before that, they were mostly irreverent young trolls stirring mischief on what, at the time, was still a free Internet. Irreverence is a form of confidence, I suppose, but those kids have since grown up, gotten married, acquired mortgages and so on. The alt-right doesn't really exist any longer.
As far as the other points go, you have asked @iffen rather than me, so I will gratuitously add my answers nevertheless.Americans of the Left, the Center and the Right seem to agree that the Overton Window shifted to the right. A lot. That is why the Left is now panicking, trying to decide whether to go full Stalin or merely to institutionalize election theft or just to swamp the country with millions of extra immigrants, while they still have the chance.The change of which you speak was already underway, as Steve Sailer then chronicled, month by month, in real time. I cannot say if Trump's defeat in 2016 would have stopped the shift, of course. It might have. That is plausible. It is impossible to know now.Replies: @dfordoom
Do you really think so? It seems to me that the Overton Window is now much further to the left than it was before Trump’s presidency.
The fact that Trump got cancelled by Twitter would seem to indicate that his efforts to shift the Overton Window to the right failed pretty comprehensively.
Can you point to any Culture War issues on which Trump achieved anything lasting?
Posting tweets that triggered liberals does not amount to the kinds of permanent cultural changes that were desperately needed. All Trump really did was to galvanise and energise the Cultural Left. He certainly irritated and upset them, but all that did was to make them more united, better organised and more focused. He annoyed them, but without any permanent positive effects. Wokeism and SJWism are more powerful today than they were pre-Trump.
Trump failed to attack the roots of the cultural problems facing society. Academia is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left, the media is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left, the bureaucracy is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left. Even the military is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left.
Yea right. Go give a public lecture on eugenics and see how far that goes.
When Trump took office, the GOP(e) was still strong and undermined pro-Worker Populism at every opportunity. Today, a robust & enthusiastic MAGA has routed the GOP(e) from the Populist party.
Total fantasy. There is nothing populist about embracing private health care at the expense of workers.
I support the populists but the swamp lords are still in charge of DC and the GOP. McConnell (who turned on Trump) is the one that didn't want another stimulus payment and that led to the Dem majority. They were even telling Georgia voters that one more Democrat = cash.Replies: @dfordoom, @A123
Or try giving a public lecture pointing out that putting on a frock does not magically transform a man into a woman. Or try giving a public lecture suggesting that marriage can only be between an actual man and an actual woman.
Yep, total fantasy is what it is.
______SJW Islamic Globalists have become more intolerant... look at Ilhan Omar, Rashid Tlaib, and "The Squad". The window is closing on this extremism. Look at the Oscars' ratings.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/oscar_viewership_through_the_years_04-26-2021.jpg
MAGA Christian Populists have a new steely cold resolve backed up by organization and commitment. When Trump took office, the GOP(e) was still strong and undermined pro-Worker Populism at every opportunity. Today, a robust & enthusiastic MAGA has routed the GOP(e) from the Populist party. Every GOP(e) swamp creature has announced retirement -or- will face a MAGA primary challenger.There are a few highly anti-Semitic, White Nationalists that are crushed that the president with Jewish family would not join their racist cause. However, this tiny fringe has little significance.PEACE 😇Replies: @John Johnson, @V. K. Ovelund
Whether 6 percent of U.S. whites constitutes a tiny fringe is a matter of perspective. Whether the percentage is growing is something you will find out. Some Jews do not want the percentage to grow and have improved their behavior accordingly, so it looks like a fairly effective 6 percent to me.
For a brief period, 2014–17, that 6 percent found a coherent voice in the Alt-Right. The visible Alt-Right seems to have been replaced by boring, stupid, 1980s-type FBI-seeded White Nationalism, yet the 6 percent are still there, without a coherent voice for now.
Anyway, it is certainly possible that the Republican Party will become the preferred party of Jews. Since Jews are influential and since it is impossible to escape them, I’d rather have them on my side. Life is full of compromises.
The test will be to see what Jews do with the Republican Party once it becomes the preferred party of Jews, but I think that you might be missing the larger picture. Jews are so influential in the United States that they have simultaneously made both national parties the parties of Jews. No other 2-percent ethny could dream of such a stunt.
The fact that Trump got cancelled by Twitter would seem to indicate that his efforts to shift the Overton Window to the right failed pretty comprehensively.
Can you point to any Culture War issues on which Trump achieved anything lasting?
Posting tweets that triggered liberals does not amount to the kinds of permanent cultural changes that were desperately needed. All Trump really did was to galvanise and energise the Cultural Left. He certainly irritated and upset them, but all that did was to make them more united, better organised and more focused. He annoyed them, but without any permanent positive effects. Wokeism and SJWism are more powerful today than they were pre-Trump.
Trump failed to attack the roots of the cultural problems facing society. Academia is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left, the media is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left, the bureaucracy is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left. Even the military is now more completely dominated by the Cultural Left.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
Perhaps you and I have a different understanding of the meaning of Overton Window.
I assume that some fellow named Overton once published a paper defining the term. I would be glad to be corrected if I have misused it.
I was referring to socially enforced limits on speech and thought, the transgression of which marks one as an unreasonable person unworthy of a hearing in the ears of ordinary, decent, fellow members of society. You seem to be including institutionally enforced limits. Thus, it is possible that you and I are both right.
Though I possess no basis nor authority to speak for all Americans, I do attend my church’s weekly men’s breakfast, etc.; so I have some idea what some Americans think.
I think of the Overton Window as defining the limits of what can be expressed in the public realm. It defines the limits of open political debate and discussion. In practical terms it's what you can get away with saying in published material, on TV, in public lectures and debates and on social media. It's what you're allowed to say without being cancelled, being fired from your job, being censored or having your books suddenly disappear from online bookstores or having your movie suddenly finding itself without a distributor or having your TV show suddenly disappear from the airwaves.
Defined in those terms I don't think there's any question that the Overton Window has shifted dramatically to the left.
You're talking (I think) about the limits on what you can say in what are essentially private conversations outside the public sphere. It is possible that those limits have shifted to the right, although I think that very much depends on your social circle. It's very very difficult to know whether there's been a significant change in the non-public sphere because social survey data is so very unreliable.
So yes, we're talking about two different things and I agree that it's possible that we're both correct.
Maybe we need to talk about the Public Overton Window (which defines the limits of public free speech) and the Private Overton Window (which defines the limits of private free speech). Both are important but they are two different concepts.Replies: @iffen
Before Trump was elected the alt-right was brimming with confidence. Now after four years of Trump they're in the depths of despair and paranoia and resorting to belief in wild fantasies.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @A123, @iffen
In the strictest sense the Overton Window has shifted to the left, but the reality of what Americans think is possible in the political realm has made a seismic shift to the right. The GOP has been permanently transformed, which is not to say that the globalists and capitalist running dogs won’t be able to capture an empty shell and attempt to use it for their own purposes.
The main effect of the alt-right is as a foil for the left totalitarians. Useful to them for occasions like Charlottesville and the D. C. electoral protest. Politically, in a positive sense, the alt-right is a nothing-burger.
Culturally, we will have to wait and see. The pro-life people think that victory is within their grasp.
On a related note, what’s up with your government? Apparently, the Prime Minister and some others have grown a pair and are making plans to stand up to Red China.
My impression is that a lot of the people who think that all kinds of things are now possible are people who are not too well grounded in reality.I agree. It would be interesting to speculate on the extent to which the alt-right has now been penetrated by the FBI.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
Yea right. Go give a public lecture on eugenics and see how far that goes.
When Trump took office, the GOP(e) was still strong and undermined pro-Worker Populism at every opportunity. Today, a robust & enthusiastic MAGA has routed the GOP(e) from the Populist party.
Total fantasy. There is nothing populist about embracing private health care at the expense of workers.
I support the populists but the swamp lords are still in charge of DC and the GOP. McConnell (who turned on Trump) is the one that didn't want another stimulus payment and that led to the Dem majority. They were even telling Georgia voters that one more Democrat = cash.Replies: @dfordoom, @A123
McConnell represents the waning days of the GOP(e). The Senate’s seniority based rules allow him to cling for a little while longer, but his number is up. Several GOP(e) Senators have announced retirement and will depart ~20 months from now. That will effectively pull what little rug remains out from under swampie McConnell.
McConnell is already formulating his exit from the Senate. Why else would Kentucky change state law to prevent a Democrat party Governor from making Senate appointments? It is a clear indication that a Senate vacancy is on the horizon.
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One essential for understanding — Political change is a process that takes time.
Ejecting the Corporate Globalists was a necessary step towards becoming the MAGA Worker party. The U.S. is a two party system. The rejected Corporate faction has aligned with SJW, hence the JPMC flaming parade float.
The terminology has yet to catch up to Worker/Right and Corporate/Left, so Left & Right are muddy terms. Using Populist and Globalist is a clearer way to think about the sides.
PEACE 😇
I can see now that we’re arguing at cross purposes.
I think of the Overton Window as defining the limits of what can be expressed in the public realm. It defines the limits of open political debate and discussion. In practical terms it’s what you can get away with saying in published material, on TV, in public lectures and debates and on social media. It’s what you’re allowed to say without being cancelled, being fired from your job, being censored or having your books suddenly disappear from online bookstores or having your movie suddenly finding itself without a distributor or having your TV show suddenly disappear from the airwaves.
Defined in those terms I don’t think there’s any question that the Overton Window has shifted dramatically to the left.
You’re talking (I think) about the limits on what you can say in what are essentially private conversations outside the public sphere. It is possible that those limits have shifted to the right, although I think that very much depends on your social circle. It’s very very difficult to know whether there’s been a significant change in the non-public sphere because social survey data is so very unreliable.
So yes, we’re talking about two different things and I agree that it’s possible that we’re both correct.
Maybe we need to talk about the Public Overton Window (which defines the limits of public free speech) and the Private Overton Window (which defines the limits of private free speech). Both are important but they are two different concepts.
The main effect of the alt-right is as a foil for the left totalitarians. Useful to them for occasions like Charlottesville and the D. C. electoral protest. Politically, in a positive sense, the alt-right is a nothing-burger.
Culturally, we will have to wait and see. The pro-life people think that victory is within their grasp.
On a related note, what’s up with your government? Apparently, the Prime Minister and some others have grown a pair and are making plans to stand up to Red China.Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom, @V. K. Ovelund
The Australian Government has gone completely insane and is itching to start a war. I assume they are, as always, acting on orders from Washington.
The main effect of the alt-right is as a foil for the left totalitarians. Useful to them for occasions like Charlottesville and the D. C. electoral protest. Politically, in a positive sense, the alt-right is a nothing-burger.
Culturally, we will have to wait and see. The pro-life people think that victory is within their grasp.
On a related note, what’s up with your government? Apparently, the Prime Minister and some others have grown a pair and are making plans to stand up to Red China.Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom, @V. K. Ovelund
That could be the case. Of course what people think is possible in the political realm often has no connection with what is actually possible.
My impression is that a lot of the people who think that all kinds of things are now possible are people who are not too well grounded in reality.
I agree. It would be interesting to speculate on the extent to which the alt-right has now been penetrated by the FBI.
The main effect of the alt-right is as a foil for the left totalitarians. Useful to them for occasions like Charlottesville and the D. C. electoral protest. Politically, in a positive sense, the alt-right is a nothing-burger.
Culturally, we will have to wait and see. The pro-life people think that victory is within their grasp.
On a related note, what’s up with your government? Apparently, the Prime Minister and some others have grown a pair and are making plans to stand up to Red China.Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom, @V. K. Ovelund
Yes but Republicans would hardly keep pointing this out, over and over again, years after the fact, if the alt-right had not made an outsized impact.
Nevertheless, the alt-right existed at a moment in time. Having suffered the usual fate of the pioneer, the alt-right as such is hardly more relevant than the Tea Party is now, and chiefly for the same reason: the Republican Party and American conservatism have assimilated much of both.
You’ve got Tucker Carlson and U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson decrying the Great Replacement now, after all, and Carlson even going so far as to castigate the ADL on the air by name, with the ADL’s logo on the screen just to ensure that no viewer misses the point. Carlson and Johnson might be said to be a something-burger.
No, I’d say in the main that the alt-right won, but it’s okay if you don’t want to credit them for that. The results are what count. Meanwhile, it’d be nice to spring James Alex Fields, Jr., from prison, though.
None of us know whether he panicked or just decided to plough into the crowd.Replies: @A123, @Getaclue, @V. K. Ovelund
If the latter is the case then those powerful interest groups can call a halt whenever they want to, and can accelerate or decelerate the process at will.
Were Wokeism and SJWism things that just spontaneously arose, or were they deliberately engineered?Replies: @A123
Very little has been deliberately engineered. The self serving Elites back more or less anything that serves their immediate goals:
— Eradication of traditional Judeo-Christian values
— Silencing of American workers
— Maximising quarterly profits (e.g. wage suppression)
Elites want fear & hate they can hype via the Fake Stream Media without any policy that actually empowers U.S. Citizens.
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All of the things they leapt on have minimum substance & maximum symbolism — SJW, Occupy Wall Street, Wokeness, Political Correctness, BLM, Cancel Culture, WUHAN-19 Masking, etc. They will move onto a new fad when the current one no longer serves their interests.
The problem with juicing hate for political gain is that it does not go away. And, it can turn on the Elites. What happens when:
— BLM demands, “Google & Microsoft must hire black software/application developers”?
— Defund the Police causes the formation of private security militias?
The Elites, looking at record firearms sales, are just now realizing they have made a mistake. They are having a huge difficulty distracting from their hypocrisy, “Walls for Me, But not for Thee”.
PEACE 😇
Sorry to follow-up my own post. However, there is an interesting story that touches on a closely related topic: (1)PEACE 😇
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(1) https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/04/28/wapo-abc-poll-enthusiasm-drops-for-gun-control-legislation-but-why-n386328
My impression is that a lot of the people who think that all kinds of things are now possible are people who are not too well grounded in reality.I agree. It would be interesting to speculate on the extent to which the alt-right has now been penetrated by the FBI.Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
Yes it would be very interesting. I conjecture nothing, either way. The relevant FBI files probably won’t be declassified until our great-grandchildren have reached our age, but meanwhile the U.S. Justice Department has made it fairly clear that 2017 is the year in which it started to take a serious interest in the movement; so who can say?
For a brief period, 2014–17, that 6 percent found a coherent voice in the Alt-Right. The visible Alt-Right seems to have been replaced by boring, stupid, 1980s-type FBI-seeded White Nationalism, yet the 6 percent are still there, without a coherent voice for now.
Anyway, it is certainly possible that the Republican Party will become the preferred party of Jews. Since Jews are influential and since it is impossible to escape them, I'd rather have them on my side. Life is full of compromises.
The test will be to see what Jews do with the Republican Party once it becomes the preferred party of Jews, but I think that you might be missing the larger picture. Jews are so influential in the United States that they have simultaneously made both national parties the parties of Jews. No other 2-percent ethny could dream of such a stunt.Replies: @A123
The Alt-Right agenda has been absorbed into the MAGA vision. The next step is generating enough wins to put that vision into practice.
The myth that “Alt-Right = White Nationalist” is functionally dead. The tiny fringe of anti-Semitic racists that self identified as Alt-Right have been cut off. The MAGA core Alt-Right, does not have a race based agenda.
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Come on, man. Drop the appeal to ridicule! It doesn’t strengthen your argument and if it impresses anyone present, I haven’t noticed that.
Yet white people have interests nevertheless.
Meanwhile, I believe that you have your terms crossed.
• Non-Racist -- Alt-Right, MAGA
• Racist -- White Nationalist
The determined "Stormfront" style White Nationalists were never for Trump, due to his Jewish relatives. Thus, they were not disheartened by his loss.
Only very small number of people had false expectations that Trump was going to be an anti-Semitic, race crusader.
PEACE 😇Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
When you stop ridiculing non-elite Jews, I will consider your request. Until then you should note that hypocrisy substantially weakens your position.
Which terms? The definitions are fairly unambiguous:
• Non-Racist — Alt-Right, MAGA
• Racist — White Nationalist
The determined “Stormfront” style White Nationalists were never for Trump, due to his Jewish relatives. Thus, they were not disheartened by his loss.
Only very small number of people had false expectations that Trump was going to be an anti-Semitic, race crusader.
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• Non-Racist -- Alt-Right, MAGA
• Racist -- White Nationalist
The determined "Stormfront" style White Nationalists were never for Trump, due to his Jewish relatives. Thus, they were not disheartened by his loss.
Only very small number of people had false expectations that Trump was going to be an anti-Semitic, race crusader.
PEACE 😇Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
Spats over debating style bore readers. If I have instigated such a spat today, please pardon.
For my information:
If you happen to recall a specific instance, would you kindly remind me of it?
It is true that I believe that our nation has a Jewish problem, but I would not generally recommend ridiculing non-elite Jews, especially before a nonreceptive audience.
• Have a legitimate problem with an individual Elite.
• Use an overly broad label like "Jews" or "Jewish" instead of calling out the Elite.
Do you honestly believe that Orthodox Jews = Chuck Schumer? To me, it sounds like you are ridiculing non-elite Jews by smearing them with Schumer's misbehaviour.
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Incidentally, I was not intending the word "fringe" as ridicule. I was merely trying to avoid more cumbersome linguistic constructs such as "very small group" or "miniscule collection of individuals".
PEACE 😇Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
Pretty much every time you:
• Have a legitimate problem with an individual Elite.
• Use an overly broad label like “Jews” or “Jewish” instead of calling out the Elite.
Do you honestly believe that Orthodox Jews = Chuck Schumer? To me, it sounds like you are ridiculing non-elite Jews by smearing them with Schumer’s misbehaviour.
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Incidentally, I was not intending the word “fringe” as ridicule. I was merely trying to avoid more cumbersome linguistic constructs such as “very small group” or “miniscule collection of individuals”.
PEACE 😇
• Have a legitimate problem with an individual Elite.
• Use an overly broad label like "Jews" or "Jewish" instead of calling out the Elite.
Do you honestly believe that Orthodox Jews = Chuck Schumer? To me, it sounds like you are ridiculing non-elite Jews by smearing them with Schumer's misbehaviour.
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Incidentally, I was not intending the word "fringe" as ridicule. I was merely trying to avoid more cumbersome linguistic constructs such as "very small group" or "miniscule collection of individuals".
PEACE 😇Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
No, I do not.
As far as Jewish Orthodoxy versus Jewish unorthodoxy goes, that is an internal Jewish problem in which I do not wish to involve myself. It sounds to me like a family quarrel at Mahlzeit in the dining room at Sunningdale Country Club. I wish that U.S. Jews would sort that quarrel out at someone else’s expense than mine.
So, neither of us was engaged in “ridicule”. OK, I guess I can accept that and move on. So, back to the much more important issue:
PEACE 😇
If the word was good enough for Steve Bannon, then it's good enough for me. Just remember though who coined the word: Paul Gottfried and Richard B. Spencer. I like both Gottfried and Spencer, but not everyone does.
Racist is not a serious word in my opinion, but otherwise, …
I mean, I guess that if you want to use your terms that way, it’s all right by me. Since the Alt-Right proper doesn’t really exist any longer, and since MAGA populism has absorbed many of the Alt-Right’s precepts from 2014–17 when the Alt-Right did exist, if MAGA wants to call itself Alt-Right today, I don’t have a problem.
If the word was good enough for Steve Bannon, then it’s good enough for me. Just remember though who coined the word: Paul Gottfried and Richard B. Spencer. I like both Gottfried and Spencer, but not everyone does.
-- Eradication of traditional Judeo-Christian values
-- Silencing of American workers
-- Maximising quarterly profits (e.g. wage suppression)
Elites want fear & hate they can hype via the Fake Stream Media without any policy that actually empowers U.S. Citizens.
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All of the things they leapt on have minimum substance & maximum symbolism -- SJW, Occupy Wall Street, Wokeness, Political Correctness, BLM, Cancel Culture, WUHAN-19 Masking, etc. They will move onto a new fad when the current one no longer serves their interests.
The problem with juicing hate for political gain is that it does not go away. And, it can turn on the Elites. What happens when:
-- BLM demands, "Google & Microsoft must hire black software/application developers"?
-- Defund the Police causes the formation of private security militias?
The Elites, looking at record firearms sales, are just now realizing they have made a mistake. They are having a huge difficulty distracting from their hypocrisy, "Walls for Me, But not for Thee".
PEACE 😇Replies: @A123
The Elites, looking at record firearms sales, are just now realizing they have made a mistake.
Sorry to follow-up my own post. However, there is an interesting story that touches on a closely related topic: (1)
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/04/28/wapo-abc-poll-enthusiasm-drops-for-gun-control-legislation-but-why-n386328
it’d be nice to spring James Alex Fields, Jr., from prison, though.
None of us know whether he panicked or just decided to plough into the crowd.
PEACE 😇
(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/04/19/florida-governor-ron-desantis-signs-anti-riot-bill-which-also-includes-civil-immunity-for-drivers-who-hit-road-blocking-protestors/
None of us know whether he panicked or just decided to plough into the crowd.Replies: @A123, @Getaclue, @V. K. Ovelund
Sane states are passing laws that guarantee those escaping from a riot or other threatening event cannot be charged with a crime. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is a leader: (1)
I believe Oklahoma also passed a similar law.
PEACE 😇
(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/04/19/florida-governor-ron-desantis-signs-anti-riot-bill-which-also-includes-civil-immunity-for-drivers-who-hit-road-blocking-protestors/
That's the standard for determining whether the world is a better place after that person's death.Replies: @Getaclue
I’m sure Antifa types feel that way about everyone to the Right politically of Don Lemon….The issue is about Criminal Conviction based on “feelings” or “not liking” someone — not the way the Criminal Justice System is suppose to work yet due to Mob Rule definitely the way it did work in this case. Floyd died of Fetanyl OD he wasn’t strangled nor did he have his blood flow cut off — delays of the Ambulance were on them for getting lost….Chauvin may be a creep or whatever — he wasn’t guilty of murder.
None of us know whether he panicked or just decided to plough into the crowd.Replies: @A123, @Getaclue, @V. K. Ovelund
He was attacked and my understanding is the fat girl who died did so of a heart attack not due to being crushed….I saw a video and it was clear the Mob attacked him — he must have had terrible legal representation is the conclusion I draw in a rigged Courtroom?
McConnell is already formulating his exit from the Senate. Why else would Kentucky change state law to prevent a Democrat party Governor from making Senate appointments? It is a clear indication that a Senate vacancy is on the horizon.
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One essential for understanding -- Political change is a process that takes time.
Ejecting the Corporate Globalists was a necessary step towards becoming the MAGA Worker party. The U.S. is a two party system. The rejected Corporate faction has aligned with SJW, hence the JPMC flaming parade float.
The terminology has yet to catch up to Worker/Right and Corporate/Left, so Left & Right are muddy terms. Using Populist and Globalist is a clearer way to think about the sides.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Getaclue
His Chinese In Laws tight with the ChiComs in shipping literally gave him and his wife tens of millions in a “gift” — LOL, only in Amerika….He needs time to enjoy that before dying and getting his Eternal Reward for what he did to us all here in the USA. Look at the Country when he got into Elected Office and look at it now…he helped do that….quite a “guy”.
None of us know whether he panicked or just decided to plough into the crowd.Replies: @A123, @Getaclue, @V. K. Ovelund
No one on the jury knew, either, but they convicted him, anyway, because he was a Nazi.
The least Virginia could do is to find a way to let him share a cell with Derek Chauvin. That’d be safer for the both of them while they await the return of proper justice in the United States.
Correct. If you want to be a Nazi, common sense should tell you to keep a low profile.
No one on the jury knew, either, but they convicted him, anyway, because he was a Nazi.
Correct. If you want to be a Nazi, common sense should tell you to keep a low profile.
I think of the Overton Window as defining the limits of what can be expressed in the public realm. It defines the limits of open political debate and discussion. In practical terms it's what you can get away with saying in published material, on TV, in public lectures and debates and on social media. It's what you're allowed to say without being cancelled, being fired from your job, being censored or having your books suddenly disappear from online bookstores or having your movie suddenly finding itself without a distributor or having your TV show suddenly disappear from the airwaves.
Defined in those terms I don't think there's any question that the Overton Window has shifted dramatically to the left.
You're talking (I think) about the limits on what you can say in what are essentially private conversations outside the public sphere. It is possible that those limits have shifted to the right, although I think that very much depends on your social circle. It's very very difficult to know whether there's been a significant change in the non-public sphere because social survey data is so very unreliable.
So yes, we're talking about two different things and I agree that it's possible that we're both correct.
Maybe we need to talk about the Public Overton Window (which defines the limits of public free speech) and the Private Overton Window (which defines the limits of private free speech). Both are important but they are two different concepts.Replies: @iffen
Maybe we need to talk about the Public Overton Window (which defines the limits of public free speech) and the Private Overton Window (which defines the limits of private free speech).
Yes, good distinction.
Rather than speech, I was thinking in terms of what policies and ideas are now considered feasible. Options that are considered achievable through political action. This is what Trump changed and expanded..
• Constitutional Carry and "2nd Amendment Sanctuary"
• Requiring wet ink signature verification for 100% of absentee ballots
• Measures aimed at eliminating and/or punishing Antifa/BLM style insurrection.
The highly limited discourse allowed in the Fake Stream Media does not represent the actions, views, and speech of Independent & Populist citizens.
PEACE 😇Replies: @dfordoom
The Public Overton Window is largely controlled by the media and social media oligarchs. Trump's failure to do anything at all about the excessive power of those oligarchs was a massive and tragic failure. The media and social media oligarchs can simply shut down debate on any policy that they don't like. That is out-and-out tyranny.
The Public Overton Window also has a huge effect on the Private Overton Window.
Any future populist leader will simply not be able to publicly raise any issue with which the media and social media oligarchs disagree.
The Trump presidency was the last chance to save public freedom of speech. Trump blew that chance.
Trump’s MAGA thought leadership has opened the door for new & expanded policy at the state level, including:
• Constitutional Carry and “2nd Amendment Sanctuary”
• Requiring wet ink signature verification for 100% of absentee ballots
• Measures aimed at eliminating and/or punishing Antifa/BLM style insurrection.
The highly limited discourse allowed in the Fake Stream Media does not represent the actions, views, and speech of Independent & Populist citizens.
PEACE 😇
Very few people are capable of independent thought. The vast majority of people follow the lead of the media.
There is no hope for change as long as free and open political debate is impossible. And free and open political debate is impossible because of Trump's colossal failure to confront the media/social media oligarchs.Replies: @A123
The Public Overton Window has a huge impact on what policies and ideas will actually be feasible.
The Public Overton Window is largely controlled by the media and social media oligarchs. Trump’s failure to do anything at all about the excessive power of those oligarchs was a massive and tragic failure. The media and social media oligarchs can simply shut down debate on any policy that they don’t like. That is out-and-out tyranny.
The Public Overton Window also has a huge effect on the Private Overton Window.
Any future populist leader will simply not be able to publicly raise any issue with which the media and social media oligarchs disagree.
The Trump presidency was the last chance to save public freedom of speech. Trump blew that chance.
• Constitutional Carry and "2nd Amendment Sanctuary"
• Requiring wet ink signature verification for 100% of absentee ballots
• Measures aimed at eliminating and/or punishing Antifa/BLM style insurrection.
The highly limited discourse allowed in the Fake Stream Media does not represent the actions, views, and speech of Independent & Populist citizens.
PEACE 😇Replies: @dfordoom
The highly limited discourse allowed in the Fake Stream Media sets the limits to political debate.
Very few people are capable of independent thought. The vast majority of people follow the lead of the media.
There is no hope for change as long as free and open political debate is impossible. And free and open political debate is impossible because of Trump’s colossal failure to confront the media/social media oligarchs.
• MAGA is very strong at the state level that will control redistricting.Part of sustained conflict is taking the opportunities for victory that are available. Setting false hopes that are unreachable is certain to lead to defeat.PEACE 😇Replies: @dfordoom
Very few people are capable of independent thought. The vast majority of people follow the lead of the media.
There is no hope for change as long as free and open political debate is impossible. And free and open political debate is impossible because of Trump's colossal failure to confront the media/social media oligarchs.Replies: @A123
The limits of the Fake Stream Media only impact sheeple. The real debate has moved around them.
Independent, Judeo-Christian thought is a core MAGA value. It is more common than you believe.
Without support from other branches of government, what could he have done to successfully “confront the media/social media oligarchs”? Running them in circles by using tweets to dominate their thought patterns was as much as could be hoped for. If he tried to nationalize Twitter, he would have been removed from office by the Senate.
Trump’s overwhelming and undeniable success was opening people’s minds. He delivered a new political alignment that is allowing a real Citizen/Workers party to grow:
• GOP(e) swampies in Washington were flushed into the open, and are now being driven from the MAGA party.
• MAGA is very strong at the state level that will control redistricting.
Part of sustained conflict is taking the opportunities for victory that are available. Setting false hopes that are unreachable is certain to lead to defeat.
PEACE 😇
He didn't do these things and he lost office anyway. He lost office because he didn't confront the issue.Replies: @A123
• MAGA is very strong at the state level that will control redistricting.Part of sustained conflict is taking the opportunities for victory that are available. Setting false hopes that are unreachable is certain to lead to defeat.PEACE 😇Replies: @dfordoom
Most people are sheeple. It’s human nature. Humans have a strong instinct to conform.
He didn’t need to nationalise Twitter. What he did need to do was to aggressively push the idea that social media should be treated as public utilities. And aggressively push the idea that the giant media corporations should be broken up.
He didn’t do these things and he lost office anyway. He lost office because he didn’t confront the issue.
He didn't do these things and he lost office anyway. He lost office because he didn't confront the issue.Replies: @A123
So, you prefer a Senate conviction and removal via Impeachment? That seems much worse than losing an election. Over reach with the House, the Senate, and numerous judges in opposition would have been suicidal.
I get that you wish the world was different, however Politics is the Art of the Possible. Realistically, Trump won as much as much as anyone could win without party support in the U.S. two party system. Even more importantly he laid the groundwork for future wins by achieving MAGA dominance in the GOP.
False hope of total victory in 4 years is the product of naivety and unrealistic goals. Instead of complaining that Trump did not achieve the impossible… Would it not be better to take wins, as Trump did, and continue the fight?
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My recollection is that AE’s consistent position about the dollar breaking has been: Not a matter of if, but when. It appears that AE has now retreated, into uncertainty.Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Audacious Epigone
My position remains unchanged. It’s stronger now than ever before.
There may be a hot war for independence in parts of the American empire, though I think those odds are long, but there will be no civil war. That’s a leftwing fantasy. Nobody wants to march on Washington DC.
My recollection is that AE’s consistent position about the dollar breaking has been: Not a matter of if, but when. It appears that AE has now retreated, into uncertainty.Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Audacious Epigone
More confident than ever in the prediction.