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The live action role playing occupation of the Capitol building went over America like a lead balloon. Support for the action is dismal:

“Not sure” responses, constituting 9% of the total, are excluded, so the residuals are the percentages who disapprove of the takeover.

As if the optics weren’t bad enough, that 1-in-5 working-class white men indicate support will be yet another reason the powers that be will feel justified in grinding them into dust. After 9/11 we got the Patriot Act. After this, something like the End Hate Act. The fracas that led to one protester being shot by police, a police officer being killed by head trauma, a couple of people dying from extenuating health complications, and another protester being trampled to death will be forever referred to as “deadly”, a bloody shirt to wave around to remind everyone who the officially designated bad guys are.

The greater support among zoomers and younger millennials should come as little surprise even though those age cohorts are further left than older cohorts are. When it comes to politics, young people think violence is golden.

 
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  1. “The POLLS” – do you believe the polls? Do you believe “mainstream polls” would survive if they showed relatively strong support? Moreover, do you really believe that people who are being told by everyone on the media and in both parties that those poor guys who trespassed on the Capitol grounds to protest are even going to answer honestly?

  2. Talha says:

    After this, something like the End Hate Act.

    Bill, chillin’ while storming the capital…

    Peace.

    • LOL: Kent Nationalist
  3. anonymous[201] • Disclaimer says:

    LOL claiming this is an extenuating health complication. As bad as “mostly peaceful”.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  4. lloyd says: • Website

    It is now up to the establishment to act in a dignified legalistic manner to definitively seperate the Capitol invaders from the population. That is exactly what they are not doing. MLK day is two days before Inauguration. If they were smart, the MAG leaders would exploit that as an example of fighting for the right of honest electons. The Feds seem extraordinary unwise to turn Washington D.C into an armed camp and leave the red States ungarrisoned by Federal troops. Could this bring about State seccessions? Is that what is secretly planned? My guess about half the polled are lying or equivocating. It would be like a poll in Saigon after the invasion of the American Embassy.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  5. Dumbo says:

    When it comes to politics, young people think violence is golden.

    But there was hardly any violence, except for the poor woman who got shot. There was more violence in your average Black Friday sale in the ghetto.

    Young people tend to have a romanticized view of protests and violence. Also, they tend to fight for the wrong or stupid causes – BLM, global warming, “against Nazis”, whatever they’re told.

    But, political violence will increase, from all sides, that’s a given.

    • Replies: @Curle
  6. The live action role playing occupation of the Capitol building went over America like a lead balloon. Support for the action is dismal:

    As well it should be. For what is an exceedingly rare occasion for me, I find myself solidly on the side of the majority. That goat-rope at the Capitol has thoroughly cemented the perception that America is a tasteless land of narcissists, freaks, and weirdos. I have never wanted anything to do with such scenes, and that standard of mine is miles and miles upstream of my political leanings. I will never attend any sort of rally, demonstration, protest, or riot, no matter what it is about. Dignified people just don’t do that sort of thing. I find the whole episode extremely unsavory, however:

    The fracas…will be forever referred to as “deadly”, a bloody shirt to wave around to remind everyone who the officially designated bad guys are.

    I think this is too melodramatic. These events will be forgotten in the ensuing months. Sadly, America has become a place where mass shootings, bombings, stolen elections, Capitol stormings, and the grossest perversions of justice no longer even merit a passing yawn. I believe we are starting to enter a post-hyperrealistic age where media sensationalism has run its course and where significant events aren’t even noticed anymore. The whole point is just to amble aimlessly around and around Piccadilly Circus whether London Bridge falls down or the bombs rain down on St. Paul’s.

  7. El Dato says:

    Support for the action is dismal

    Would would it be otherwise?

    It’s not something to support, it’s something to take into account. Like when your “infrastructure” crumbles and brownouts start to plague the land. Then the badly maintained dam breaks…

    Much more interesting is the question about people are on board with extreme talk about “sedition” and “secession” and what kind of punishment should be meted out. And maybe compare to the COVID Relief Bill disaster.

    OT: It seems like the squad has been disproportionately affected. Shades of those weird “lifts are down today” events in Twin Towers:

    Congresswoman claims office ‘panic buttons’ removed before Capitol riot as Dems demand investigation into ‘suspicious activitity’

    Also, AOC:

    “There were QAnon and white-supremacist sympathizers and, frankly, white-supremacist members of Congress in that extraction point who I know and who I have felt would disclose my location and would create opportunities to allow me to be hurt, kidnapped, et cetera,”

    • Replies: @rickgarcia
  8. Along the lines of what El Data wrote, what does “support” mean in the question, to the respondents? I have absolutely no confidence in this poll. Besides stupid phrasing on the questions, I think it’s very likely here that many respondents who are your average pussified Americans would answer in the negative due to concerned about being outed/doxed later, were they to answer in the affirmative.

  9. Here’s what all the insurrection and Federal charges talk is about. These Trump supporters (and it was about more than Trump) had the gall to oppose Anarcho-Tyranny.

    We all know, even those on the left with this fake outrage, that the maybe slightly exuberant crowd that spent some time in the People’s House did nothing near what the BLM thugs and anifa Commies have been doing all over the country for 8 months. Those in that fun crowd at the Capitol were not bitter, mean, useful idiots or stupid worthless thugs like the thugs and Commies. They didn’t purposefully burn things down, trash things just to trash them, or loot anything.

    We have seen different from the other side since May of last year. Police have been ordered to stand down. Many thousands of people who loot and vandalize have been not been charged with anything. (This is not to even mention Charlottesville and later the Proud Boys in NYC.) We all see the Anarcho-Tyranny all around.

    The left does not want the right to have any say in what goes on in American politics. They want the Anarcho-Tyranny to continue. They will not put up with any patriotic Americans resisting the Anarcho-Tyranny by doing any little bit of what the left gets away with. This is why they want to come down hard on the Capitol Gang. The whole political fight is one-sided right now, and they aim to keep it that way.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  10. @Intelligent Dasein

    I will never attend any sort of rally, demonstration, protest, or riot, no matter what it is about. Dignified people just don’t do that sort of thing.

    You just keep taking your dignified self to the polls every 4 years, I.D. and writing comments on blogs. I’m sure with a few like-minded individuals you all will turn things around in this country.

    Demonstrations, protests, and riots are the least of the troubles coming to this country. We will not be voting our way out of this, with dignity to boot.

    I’m not even going to get into eventual looting of the country by China, after the coming financial SHTF, as I’m not done with the series, but here are: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4 anyway.

    • Agree: Realist, Catdog
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  11. @Achmed E. Newman

    Seconded.

    “They’d rig an election, bribe every judge and instigate a false-flag riot, but they’d never stoop so low as to fake an unverifiable poll!”

    Edit: serious question: what’s the “two-riot preferred” polling, as it were, of this riot and the BLM riots? That’s a good test of the honesty/reliability of these polls.

  12. Curle says:
    @Dumbo

    After the event I got an outrage email from the president of the private school I graduated from in the ‘70s recalling McCarthyism. As an historian he wanted us to see the parallels. The parallel being a return to fascism I guess.

    I’m at the place where I cannot see an handful of screenwriters losing work for a couple of years and thereby working under fake names as the tragedy he imagines. But, several were Jews so I guess work inconveniences for one of those folks equals speech suppression for a million others under leftist math.

  13. fnn says:

    I’m at the place where I cannot see an handful of screenwriters losing work for a couple of years and thereby working under fake names as the tragedy he imagines.

    The HUAC Hollywood hearings were in the late 1940s-before McCarthy was elected to federal office. What angered libs about McCarthy were alleged reckless charges of Communist affiliation against allegedly non-Stalinist left-wingers- which amounted to whipping up “hysteria,” which led to some suppression of freedom of opinion in some quarters and inevitably some people losing their jobs. You know, the kind of thing the SPLC and ADL have been doing every day for decades. But right now, the left-Establishment is in super-duper hyper-McCarthyist mode with “cancel culture” and anti-rightist and anti-anti-leftist purges, blacklists, deplatformings, denials of access to the financial system and book-burnings without the theatrical use of fire along with the occasional Antifa-administered beating.

    • Agree: unit472, GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @unit472
  14. @GazaPlanet

    Mendacious Epigone’s columns seem to be almost entirely about “mainstream polls”. He doesn’t seem to write about anything else. So he does publicly at least believe in them.
    You wouldn’t want to do a man out of a job ? Somebody’s got to recycle mendacious garbage.

    • Replies: @neutral
  15. Instead of re-educating 80 million Trump voters, putting 50 million whites without degrees in internment camps seems like a much better option given the optics question. Naturally, I would return from China to apply for a lagerkommandant role in that scenario.

  16. Support for the action is dismal.

    However, support was not dismal at the time the action occurred.

    I believe that you are now seeing the effect of Donald Trump’s dismissal of the rioters he himself had helped to stir up, combined with the usual full-court-press media propaganda.

    The riot was imprudent. I think that you and I can agree on this. However, white Gentile middle America will never regain dignity and respect in their own country by being 100.0 percent prudent. A certain minimal degree of disorder in response to sufficiently severe provocation is the sacred duty of the proud descendants of a free and mighty people.

    Responses by the people to state provocation must inevitably span a distribution. At the ragged edge of the distribution, a certain minimal amount of disorder is an indispensable sign of the whole people’s moral health.

    Peace and order, yes. Absolute peace and order, regardless of circumstance? No way.

    We are men not sheep. The storming of the Capitol was “larping” because it failed: you do not know what the would have eventuated had the president had supported the riot, as the rioters (not I, necessarily, but the rioters) hoped that he would.

    The storming of the Capitol was the most glorious expression of the authentic American spirit in many a year. Be generous with it. Most of those rioters were good folks.

    This new Civil War may only be beginning, God forbid. If so, you’re going to need more people with spirit than the just the larpers of Capitol Hill.

  17. @V. K. Ovelund

    We are men not sheep. The storming of the Capitol was “larping” because it failed: you do not know what the would have eventuated had the president had supported the riot, as the rioters (not I, necessarily, but the rioters) hoped that he would.

    That last sentence got mashed in the editing, but I suspect that you get the drift.

    @Supply and Demand wrote:

    Instead of re-educating 80 million Trump voters, putting 50 million whites without degrees in internment camps seems like a much better option given the optics question.

    Sentiments like this are the reason we are not going to escape from this trap without a little bit of unpredictable disorderliness.

    Go easy on the rioters. They’re our own.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  18. neutral says:
    @Verymuchalive

    So he does publicly at least believe in them.

    I am guessing that he less of a “will of the people” type and more about showing how stupid people can be.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  19. @Intelligent Dasein

    These events will be forgotten in the ensuing months.

    It’s amazing how you continue to make confident predictions here, despite having been spectacularly wrong in your prediction about the election outcome.

    Your posts here are eloquent nonsense.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  20. Meh. The whole thing was a ginned up piece of theater with a few knuckleheads crashing the stage, rather like a Dead Kennedy’s show in 1980 I attended. It was a noisy, raucous, useless, fun, thing with a bunch of people (like the 06 Jan DC show, mostly polite white males) who don’t mind being elbow to elbow with others. Sure a few wind up crowd surfing, but not many.

    So it was a scam, as was most of the reporting on it, and (since not many people were there, and the reporting was so skewed) the polls thereabout as well. There is noting object to learn form those polls. Guessed at, speculated about, vaguely comforting or fearsome, but nothing actionable. That wont (in my opinion) stop the next set of tyrannical laws and regulation floating down the Potomac right this minute (Lynn Cheney, call your dad!!) but it does NOT mean there is anything but a will to power behind them.

    Now, what about support for entering, sacking, burning the Capital (White House as well, The Eccles Building next, then the DOJ, USDA, and on and on through Arlington, Langley, Fort Meade, Fort Detrick…) and practicing extreme cancel culture on everyone found therein? I will be all in favor of that, but it just isn’t time yet. I say give the big gang of rats time to start cancelling each other. No reason to do their work for them. They will get going on that pretty quickly. Bernie, Joe, Steny, …. lot of that. BLM & Antifa nutjobs as well, nobody likes those idiots. Should be fun to watch! How many people agree with that description? More than will honestly say so in a poll, I think. Can’t prove it, though.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  21. @GazaPlanet

    I believe my friends. All Trump supporters or sympathizers. All disgusted with the LARPing.

  22. @V. K. Ovelund

    Support was higher at first because all we saw was the LARPers. Then the cop died, and footage came out of the violence.

    The riot was WRONG, dammit. It was a riot. It wasn’t a damned insurrection. It was stupid. And it gave the gov’t every chance to crush dissent.

    Any support of this is crazy and WRONG.

  23. @V. K. Ovelund

    Agree, and thanks for digging up that previous YouGov poll with it’s 45% Republican support for the Capitol protesters. That poll was my first thought when AE posted this newer(?) YouGov poll that shows … that shows … what exactly? … Support collapsed after the Media-Political-Complex screamed at everyone for a week? … Support collapsed after Trump turned on his own supporters? … People openly admitting to support collapsed after examples were made of other supporters? … YouGov had better get with the program or be shut out of the Beltway? … A combination?

    What a difference a few days made! The events had already happened before both polls, yet such divergent poll results! Whom to believe? The respondents immediate after events? Or the respondents after a week of full-spectrum browbeating?

    I lean toward “no one wants to lose their job for giving an honest answer to a probable lefty who has their phone number”. Heck, I’m not sure how I would now answer such a poll myself, and I’ve been pretty forthright with others on political opinions all my adult life. Did this week mark the turn of the screw that finally ended political freedom in the US?

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  24. @PennTothal

    I’ve never been wrong about anything I’ve said here. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else?

    • Replies: @PennTothal
  25. @Achmed E. Newman

    You just keep taking your dignified self to the polls every 4 years, I.D. and writing comments on blogs.

    First of all, don’t presume to speak to me as an equal.

    Secondly, I am not in favor of democracy, the popular franchise, or any of this modern idiocy, as even a cursory reading of my commenting history will show.

    Thirdly, assuming that you really want to change things and really think this is the best way to do it, go put on a buffalo hat, steal a lectern, ang get yourself arrested by the FBI. I’m sure that’ll show ’em.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @anon
  26. @Almost Missouri

    Did this week mark the turn of the screw that finally ended political freedom in the US?

    Maybe it did. We shall see. Not all of us are going down without a fight.

    Peter Brimelow has foretold, “It will come to blood.” That’s a damned shame, for it’s all so unnecessary, but I fear that Brimelow may be right.

    I do not fancy my chances against the 82nd Airborne, but am sharp on the lookout for intermediate solutions that may preserve as much of what we have as can be preserved.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  27. @Paperback Writer

    The riot was WRONG, dammit. It was a riot.

    Question: If the Capitol protest was a “riot” and “wrong”, then is it not also undeniably true that the months of BLM riots that were much more riots (including in DC) are much more wrong?

    And it gave the gov’t every chance to crush dissent.

    Oddly, those objectively much worse BLM riots (including in DC) also resulted in the gov’t crushing dissent … from the riots!

    So a relatively mild “riot” by Trump supporters leads to them getting crushed, while undeniably much more bloody, violent and arsonistic riots by BLMers leads them getting supported, and not just by the government but by every large economic, cultural, educational and NGO institution.

    There are two possible conclusions: 1) The Establishment will use every opportunity to crush their enemies and support their allies in naked disregard of legal and moral principle, or 2) the Trump supporters didn’t riot hard enough.

    Which view do you take?

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
  28. @V. K. Ovelund

    I … am sharp on the lookout for intermediate solutions that may preserve as much of what we have as can be preserved.

    And that includes AE’s program of separation. I hate it. I oppose it. I think separation neither realistic nor desirable nor likely.

    But I do not rule it out.

    God help us.

  29. @Almost Missouri

    Question: If the Capitol protest was a “riot” and “wrong”, then is it not also undeniably true that there were months of BLM riots that were much more riots (including in DC), so are they not much more wrong?

    Of course the BLM riots were wrong. I know you’re smarter than to engage others with nakedly stupid false dichotomies. You’re way better than that, so I have to assume you’re just being emotional right now.

    There are two possible conclusions: 1) The Establishment will use every opportunity to crush their enemies and support their allies in naked disregard of legal and moral consistency

    Well, duh. You should have stopped at one possible conclusion, because we all know that’s exactly what it is. What is your point in even bringing it up?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  30. @Intelligent Dasein

    The point is to expose the false “logic” of believing that if we denounce the deplorables hard enough, the Establishment will allow us to live unmolested on their plantation.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  31. botazefa says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I will never attend any sort of rally, demonstration, protest, or riot, no matter what it is about. Dignified people just don’t do that sort of thing.

    I agree, and so long as I have dignity I’m unlikely to participate. However, if Unz gets hacked, my comments released, and I get doxxed and fired from my job; when I lose my ability to earn a living and LinkedIn won’t host my profile; when I lose my house, lose the respect of my friends and family, what of my dignity then?

    What would cause you to lose your dignity ID?

    What straw would break your back?

  32. botazefa says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The left does not want the right to have any say in what goes on in American politics.

    The left v right framing is a trap. The rich control both parties and all elected officials from dog catcher upward. Your comment, IMHO, is more accurately written:

    The Elite Plutocratic Oligarchy does not want the People to have any say in what goes on in American politics.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  33. @Almost Missouri

    I think that the present emergency is one of those hard cases in which right and wrong may depend on who you are. I do not mean right and wrong in the Aristotelian sense, for in the heat of exigency, one may find oneself unable to ascend to Aristotle’s level. I mean that these are matters of the heart.

    A riot that targets Capitol Hill is a great and peculiar thing. The whole spirit of it is to turn the moneychangers out of the temple, as it were. Ordinarily, the patriotic citizen must regard any such action as wrong on its face, but if your heart does not tell you that the present circumstance is anything but ordinary, then I do not know quite what to say.

    If asked whether the riot is justified, you owe no answer. The question is the wrong question. The right question is whether the Great Replacement is justified. The right question is whether the authentic American people still have a claim on the sacred soil of their ancestors, or if this people are fit for naught but the insults and scorn of our disgusting new élite.

    Now is not the time to quibble over whether a certain, exuberant, middle-aged rioter should have wiped his boots before leaving heel-prints on the speaker’s desk. Setting aside a handful of anarchical (and apparently one murderous) provocateurs, whose incongruous presence among such a riot was probably inevitable, these rioters are our own.

    To turn our backs on the rioters now would be very wrong. They did it for us.

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  34. unit472 says:
    @fnn

    The 1952 movie “Big Jim McClain” starring John Wayne and James Arness as investigators for HUAC is a bad movie but an entertaining look at the era. It even has some current themes in it. For example, the communist leader in Hawaii explains to the cadre that in order to get the dockworkers support for a strike ( the Korean War was raging) ‘wages and working conditions’ were no longer sufficient issues. They needed to make fear of ‘infection’ the issue therefore “Professor Mortimer and his rodents’ were indispensable and the others could be sacrificed as necessary.

    One memorable scene was Wayne being called ” An East Texas cotton chopping jerk” by one of the young communists. Wayne asks “you ever chop cotton” to which the arrogant commie replies “No, I’m from the country club set. Chopping cotton is for niggers and white trash”. Wayne then begins to beat the communist with his fists.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  35. @Almost Missouri

    The point is to expose the false “logic” of believing that if we denounce the deplorables hard enough, the Establishment will allow us to live unmolested on their plantation.

    I need a bigger AGREE button to smash. This little one I find on my screen does not suffice to do your comment justice.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  36. Imagine if Trump had won on Nov. 3 under similar circumstances (down big at 10 pm then suddenly up at 6 am). Imagine the level of violence that would have occurred. That little selfie prank at the Capitol would look like a walk in the park. Even the so-called responsible PBS lawyer said he’d be throwing molotov cocktails at the White House.

  37. @V. K. Ovelund

    The point is to expose the false “logic” of believing that if we denounce the deplorables hard enough, the Establishment will allow us to live unmolested on their plantation.

    And absolutely nobody here is even making that point, so the two of you are congratulating yourselves on exposing false logic that nobody is using and that isn’t pertinent to anything. Way to go.

    I need a bigger AGREE button to smash. This little one I find on my screen does not suffice to do your comment justice.

    Are you some kind of provocateur? Stop saying that the rioters “did it for us.” They did not do it for me. I did not ask them to do it and I did not want them to do it. I disavow any such actions and I disclaim association with these people or anyone else who supports them.

    • Thanks: Paperback Writer
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    , @Pericles
  38. @Intelligent Dasein

    absolutely nobody here is even making that point

    Have you read Paperback Writer and similar commenters?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  39. @Intelligent Dasein

    No, not an equal, of course. Some of us are not pussies. As preppers and real conservatives, we are getting ready for what’s coming. It’s not gonna be the nice civil Constitutional Republic that Pat Buchanan (bless his heart, as I like the guy) thinks it still is, or even any semblance of that. You can go on and do your dignified thing as this country accelerates toward the abyss.

  40. @Intelligent Dasein

    I’ve never been wrong about anything I’ve said here. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else?

    Quote from your comment left here Nov, 2, 2020 at 4:56GMT:

    I’m not doing a map. I’ll just reiterate my predictions that Trump will win, that this will be evident on election night, there will be no significant fraud or protracted legal challenges, and surprisingly little violence.

    The Biden campaign threw in the towel a long time ago. The Democrats are just running as the shadow government now, not trying to win national contests.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  41. The hyperventilating over the “bad optics” among supposed dissidents is laughable. If your ideal political protest is one that could never be characterized negatively then have fun staying in your room forever. That the rulers need a “pretext” to enforce draconian crackdowns is again laughable.

    Of course it didn’t really accomplish anything (because protest without elite support does nothing), and likely enough wasn’t even something which involved any forethought at all, but it was a significant humiliation of the ruling class and lowered the image of muh “sacred temple of democracy” in a way that’s hard to overestimate. That they’re predictably responding with disproportionate retribution against those involved and the public in general is both an indictment of them and an accelerant to the fading of american prestige and power, which is good news for everybody.

    I thought the pictures of those career criminals grovelling on the floor where they belong were quite humorous. Again it’s worth repeating: public opinion doesn’t matter. Not in the last century, not today, and not in the next. Institutional power matters and that’s it. Until you gain control of institutions, all of your actions will always be “pr disasters”, because public opinion is the product of institutional influence, not vice versa.

    • Thanks: Ray Huffman
    • Replies: @Ray Huffman
  42. @Almost Missouri

    I’ve just reread the entire thread to make sure I didn’t miss anything. I still don’t see anybody saying that.

    The argument is really the other way around. Since the Let will come after you anyway it is best to go ahead and denounce the Deplorables because the aren’t helping anything and are only drawing fire.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  43. JR Ewing says:

    This is one of those times when I realize how unusual I must be. Almost 50 with an Ivy League degree and I absolutely LOVED watching the “riot” go down on TV. I thought it was hilarious and long overdue and immensely entertaining. And the overwrought response from the dems – “THOSE REDNECKS WERE GONNA KILL US!” – has been almost as entertaining.

    (I mean seriously, that odious Jayapal woman whining about masks? HA HA HA HA Please don’t blind me with your virtue, your majesty.)

    The fact that so many Americans apparently think the band of clowns in Congress – regardless of party – have some kind of exaltedness is sad, to be honest. Congress lost its honor a long time ago and now it’s populated by the worst kind of people to have the amount of power that they have.

    Only a handful of them have ever had real jobs or non-government paychecks. It’s often pointed out that AOC “used to be a bartender”… at least she held down an actual real job. Same thing for Romney. Ron Johnson was a businessman, too. And a few others.

    But for the most part, practically every one of them have been in the “politics industry” their entire adult life. How does that make them worthy of any respect at all? Answer: It doesn’t. That industry doesn’t incur any kind of values in people except ruthless ambition and verbal facility. That’s not honorable.

    Maybe don’t aspire all your life to rule over people and maybe the people won’t aspire to be rid of you someday.

  44. @Brian Reilly

    I sure wish Gallup would have asked me the question and given me 5 minutes to answer the way you did, Brian, when they polled me about a month back. Or, they could have stated that whole long scenario and asked “Do you a) Strongly Disagree, b) Somewhat Disagree, c) feel Neutral about it, d) Somewhat Agree, or e) Strongly Agree. That choice (e) would have made the whole other-wise wasted 45 minutes worthwhile for me.

  45. @V. K. Ovelund

    The storming of the Capitol was the most glorious expression of the authentic American spirit in many a year. Be generous with it. Most of those rioters were good folks.

    I agree 100%. For those who don’t, I really wonder how much time they spend in from of the Infotainment on the idiot plate.

  46. @PennTothal

    That all seems pretty accurate to me. The only thing I did not foresee was Trump’s self-destruction. I had more hope in him than that at the time, but now I am happy not to carry his water anymore.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Troll: Catdog
    • Replies: @anon
  47. @Paperback Writer

    Enjoy continuing to always lose. As the man himself said, never leave anything off the table. If they know that there’s absolutely NOTHING that would ever drive you to violence in retaliation, then they also know there’s nothing they can’t do to you with impugnity.

    That riots are what serious people do when they’re seriously pissed off is what the controlled opposition in antifa and co have right. But as you demonstrate, the right in the western world largely isn’t serious.

  48. @unit472

    I’ve been reading through all comments, as I normally do, sometimes glossing over stuff that I know will not interest me. I’d never heard of this movie – not a big John Wayne fan. However, within 2 minutes of reading “Wayne then begins to beat the communist with his fists.”, well, the movie is on the way! Thanks, Unit472.

  49. JR Ewing says:
    @JR Ewing

    Meant “inculcate” above instead of “incur”. Stupid autocorrect.

  50. Pericles says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Are you some kind of provocateur? Stop saying that the rioters “did it for us.” They did not do it for me. I did not ask them to do it and I did not want them to do it. I disavow any such actions and I disclaim association with these people or anyone else who supports them.

    Fair enough, leftist. However, you really should change your name to something more suitable, like Dignified Voter.

    • Agree: JR Ewing
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  51. Dr. Doom says:

    Polls are meaningless. With fraudulent elections they have little meaning.
    A small minority of patriots can topple the Failed State.
    The Zion Pigs are AFRAID.

    They cannot arrest everyone. Thousands were involved.
    They do not have the space or facilities to detain that many.
    This is just the Beginning of THE END of the Zion Empire.

    Form into small groups.
    Barter and trade amongst yourselves.
    Avoid as much of the petrodollar and taxes as possible.

    Starve the beast. Push it into bankruptcy.
    The System has no real support.
    This Failed State just needs a push and a shove to make it FALL…

  52. JR Ewing says:
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    If they know that there’s absolutely NOTHING that would ever drive you to violence in retaliation, then they also know there’s nothing they can’t do to you with impugnity.

    ——————–

    I mentioned on another blog somewhere that, “The people need to remember their Thomas Jefferson,” and the response made me embarrassed that they were Americans.

    “THOMAS JEFFERSON WOULD NOT HAVE SUPPORTED ATTACKING OUR LEADERS!”

    Yes, yes he would have.

    And, yes, George Washington put down the Whiskey Rebellion as well. That doesn’t mean the protestors were wrong; it just means the government was stronger.

  53. @Pericles

    Dignified non-voter would be more accurate. I’m a monarchist, not a democrat.

    Of course, I’ve made this abundantly clear in the past, but idiots like you and JR Ewing do not see anything except in terms of the false dichotomies of your immediate present experience, as dictated to you by the media and the mob.

    And you think of others as “brainwashed.”

  54. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    First of all, don’t presume to speak to me as an equal.

    When the Gnostic rants, all must bow down because he’s a legend in his own mind!

    lol.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  55. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    That all seems pretty accurate to me.

    Seems legit.

    I’m not doing a map. I’ll just reiterate my predictions that Trump will win, that this will be evident on election night, there will be no significant fraud or protracted legal challenges, and surprisingly little violence.

    Pretty accurate, except for the “Trump will win” part, and the “no significant fraud” part, plus the “no protracted legal challenges” part…

    The Biden campaign threw in the towel a long time ago. The Democrats are just running as the shadow government now, not trying to win national contests.

    …and of course everything in these sentences is false, including “a”, “as” and “the”.

    Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

  56. Look, even most patriots are not going to support the storming of the building.

    I don’t either. If I were, I wouldn’t have joined in.

    But, it happened, and even if most people don’t support the storming itself, many do support the sentiments that led to the confrontation.

    The storming itself isn’t the real issue. The real issue is treating it as the first catalyst in exposing Congress as a parliament of whores. Not a democratic institution but tool of globalist Zionist corpocrats.

    There is a smart way to argue on this. Say you agree that it was wrong, BUT things got out of control because the powers-that-be are so corrupt.

    It’s the classic line. Blacks do it all the time. So, black leaders will say black violence isn’t exactly right.. but it’s UNDERSTANDABLE.

    Also, there is a shock effect because something like this hasn’t happened for the longest time. Blacks and ‘left’ have been violent often. The ‘right’ has been well-behaved. So, the sheer shock makes people pull back in horror.

    But make populist passions a mainstay of American politics, and people will get used to it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  57. @anonymous

    I hadn’t searched up the latest information. Fixed in the body of the post.

  58. @botazefa

    If you’ve already lost everything, then becoming part of an ineffectual mob will not bring any of it back. I would not do that and I hope you would not, either.

    Any kind of political action needs to be predicated on justified hopes of success. Something unorganized, with no goal, no program, and no apparatus of establishing a new order, is not an activity worthy of men, no matter how unfairly they have been treated. The proper choices are to organize something effective or to continue to hold to the truth even in persecution and martyrdom.

    Going crazy will not help your cause or bring peace to your soul.

    God Bless.

  59. Rosie says:
    @Priss Factor

    Look, even most patriots are not going to support the storming of the building.

    I don’t either. If I were, I wouldn’t have joined in.

    But, it happened, and even if most people don’t support the storming itself, many do support the sentiments that led to the confrontation.

    Indeed. The vibe I’m getting from conservative White women is that they don’t support the entry into the building gut they do support the protests. Moreover, they see the hypocrisy of describing BLM as “mostly peaceful” while not being similarly nuanced in their coverage of MAGA.

    People are asking questions, and in my circles, they often come to me. Unfortunately, I cannot say the one word that would answer all their questions. They are one google search away from the ultimate redpill.

    • Replies: @216
  60. @Intelligent Dasein

    Thanks.

    There is not one thing in anything I’ve written that justifies what Almost Missouri is saying. My response to anyone who thinks the Capitol riot was a good idea is, “Why weren’t you there yourself? Why did you put your life on the line? Why do you think it’s a good idea for someone else to get crushed by the state – and they will”?

    To repeat, for the benefit of someone with brains: the Capitol riot was a crime AND a blunder. It accomplished nothing but tarnishing what’s left of the Trump administration. The only good thing about it is that the populist movement is shaking out the loonies.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  61. @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    You’re a troll. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were a provocateur.

    Enjoy continuing to always lose.

    Because nothing says winning like a bunch of Federal charges: “knowingly entering or remaining in restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds as well as the theft of public property.”

    Please don’t bother disputing those charges; I don’t give a shit what you think. It’s the fact these shlubs were charged that’s the point. They need lawyers. Why don’t you step up to the plate and offer to defend them? Are you a high school graduate? Will you even chip in $5 to their defense fund? I didn’t think so.

    As the man himself said, never leave anything off the table. If they know that there’s absolutely NOTHING that would ever drive you to violence in retaliation, then they also know there’s nothing they can’t do to you with impugnity.

    Like I said, you’re a troll. You want me to bite and tell you the circumstances I would commit violence. I won’t.

    You’re scum.

    • Replies: @Talha
  62. @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    From Aesop:

    ONCE upon a time a Wolf was lapping at a spring on a hillside when, looking up, what should he see but a Lamb just beginning to drink a little lower down. “There’s my supper,” thought he, “if only I can find some excuse to seize it.” Then he called out to the Lamb, “How dare you muddle the water from which I am drinking?”

    “Nay, master, nay,” said Lambikin; “if the water be muddy up there, I cannot be the cause of it, for it runs down from you to me.”

    “Well, then,” said the Wolf, “why did you call me bad names this time last year?”

    “That cannot be,” said the Lamb; “I am only six months old.”

    “I don’t care,” snarled the Wolf; “if it was not you it was your father;” and with that he rushed upon the poor little Lamb and—

    WARRA WARRA WARRA WARRA WARRA—

    ate her all up. But before she died she gasped out—

    “ANY EXCUSE WILL SERVE A TYRANT.”

  63. nebulafox says:
    @botazefa

    Using nothing but threats to force social compliance is like eating nothing but junk food: you can try, but good luck thriving for long before the body begins to weaken against external threats.

    For me personally: I’ve been pretty damned stupid about how much I’ve revealed here over the years. What can I say, I have “high functioning autism”: for better or for worse, I just blurt out stuff that most people don’t, and my self-control has taken a dive over the years and is only just beginning to truly mend. I’m also pretty darned uneducated, am aware of that, and as a result take my previous comments with a very heavy pinch of salt. But I’m not too stressed because there’s just not much of a point in doxxing me. I simply don’t have as much to lose as most people. I don’t have money, I don’t have a social media presence, I don’t have any friends to lose over this, I don’t have a spouse and children. Most importantly, I probably don’t have a future. I’m not saying this out of self-pity or in a passive-aggressive way, it is what it is: I’ve made poor choices in life and have to live with them. But it does give me an interesting “advantage” in immunizing me to further social sanction or pressure.

    What I do have is not going to be impacted by self-appointed vigilantes, because the people concerned just aren’t going to buy that I’m a dangerous white supremacist terrorist who needs to be punished. Because a) no duh, I’m not, and b) these people care about me far more than the good graces of a random hacker. Even the ones on the left side of the political spectrum are unlikely to believe that further isolation is what I need and will be resentful at such a blatant attempt to manipulate them. What more needs to be said?

    (Now do you all understand why I think the solution to America’s problems has some common ground in rebuilding human ties? If you know somebody in the flesh, you are far less likely to be irrationally inflamed with rage like you would at some abstract name and picture you don’t know.)

    I can understand why commentators with families haven’t been talking here as much lately, though.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    , @botazefa
  64. Talha says:
    @Paperback Writer

    They need lawyers.

    It’s worse than this…if you dig into it a little, you’ll find that these people are being voluntarily outed or turned in by their own families…or even ex-wives (surprise, surprise). Miscalculation is an understatement.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  65. @Talha

    Anyone who applauds or even so much as excuses the Capitol riot is either a provocateur or an idiot.

    • Replies: @Talha
  66. @JR Ewing

    If you have an Ivy League degree, you ought to know from experience* that Romney did not “hold down a job” in any sense similar to the working people of this country, be they employees, small business owners, professionals, or such like.

    *Unless, maybe, you went to Cornell.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
  67. @JR Ewing

    Former Congressman Ron Paul was or I guess still is (not working, I doubt) and OB/GYN doctor. There is a preponderance of lawyers in these offices, which I see as a big problem However, I only wrote you back, because I wanted to write that that was a most excellent comment, JR!

  68. @Intelligent Dasein

    I agree with you to some extent…but…if instead one hundred “dignified” people had shown up for every one person who actually did, then history would already be different

  69. @JR Ewing

    Yeah, the world’s biggest frauds had a mockery made of their precious personas. Long overdue

  70. A123 says:

    The problem with much of the analysis, is willful denial of how some events were obviously staged. It is not just the BLM Bison impersonating a MAGA follower. How much would you like to bet that the person who hit an officer with a fire extinguisher was also an Antifa/FBI provocateur?

    PEACE 😇
     

  71. 216 says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Condemning the riot is the equivalent of accepting a fradulent election.

    The die is cast.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  72. 216 says:
    @Rosie

    If we note that support is highest with 18-29, and considering that this is the least white and least GOP bracket; it surmises that the younger Trump supporters are overwhelmingly in support of the occupation.

    • Replies: @Talha
  73. Talha says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Been waiting for the appropriate time to use this one…
    Peace.

    • LOL: V. K. Ovelund
  74. 216 says:

    I had feared that the Jan-6 protest would turn into a “Mega-Charlottesville”, and it appears I was right.

    I don’t know where we go from here, basically any of our activism is already de-facto illegal. It will soon be de-jure.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  75. Talha says:
    @216

    This may be a positive sign that bodes well for change in the future or may point to the impertinence and naïveté of youth. Much of Daesh’s cannon fodder also came from that age bracket…just sayin’…

    Peace.

  76. dfordoom says: • Website
    @V. K. Ovelund

    However, white Gentile middle America will never regain dignity and respect in their own country by being 100.0 percent prudent. A certain minimal degree of disorder in response to sufficiently severe provocation is the sacred duty of the proud descendants of a free and mighty people.

    The problem with that is that “a certain minimal degree of disorder” can so easily escalate. It only takes one or two idiots for “a certain minimal degree of disorder” to escalate into a full-scale riot with people getting killed.

    And the MAGA cult and other right-wing groups include enough idiots for that to be a highly likely eventuality.

    Another disaster like the storming of the Capitol and the Powers That Be would have all the excuse they need to declare the MAGA cult and other right-wing groups to be terrorist organisations. It would certainly result in the evaporation of any public sympathy for the far right.

  77. Charlotte says:

    Given the federal government’s unprecedented-and rather frightening-determination to go after the protesters for doing rather less than BLM/antifa did all summer long with impunity, I wonder how many sympathetic people decided it would be a good idea to pass on this survey. These numbers seem improbably low to me.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  78. JR Ewing says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    My only point about Romney is that he was in the private sector before he decided to whore himself out to whatever state would elect him. He certainly didn’t “hold down a job” in any meaningful sense. I agree.

  79. Dumbo says:

    At this point, I think there will be “an attempt on Biden’s life”during the inauguration, which may or may not be successful, and a “white trumpist” patsy will be blamed.

  80. @dfordoom

    It would certainly result in the evaporation of any public sympathy for the far right.

    Well, that would be ironic, since the far right had little to do with Capitol Riot or the rally that preceded it. (Unlike me individually, the American far right largely ceased to support Trump during early to mid 2018. The recent rally and riot were to support Trump.)

    I would refer you to @Athletic and Whitesplosive’s earlier comment regarding optics, with which I completely agree, though this does not make you wrong. Congressmen and media have been pretending that “white supremacists” drove the Capitol Riot. That impression is likely to stick, and moreover to be enshrined in legislation, so you are probably correct in significant degree.

    [MORE]

    It’s going to flow both ways. In the one direction, legislation designating us as “terrorists” will cause much or most of the public to see us as terrorists and to interpret every scuffle in which any of us is involved through that lens, much as I would like that not to be the case. In the other direction, the escalating pressurization against whites in the United States must continue to drive various high-quality persons toward us, for if such persons are not inclined to surrender and submit, the pressurization leaves them hardly anywhere else to go.

    I think that, if one has not lived in a country that has reached the stage of demographic transition the United States has reached, the texture of the problem is hard to grasp—though you individually have been making a commendably strong effort to grasp it, anyway. Frenchmen and Germans are beginning to understand. The British are not quite there yet and, as a result, often say amazingly stupid things about the American situation (even the lovable Nigel Farage does not quite get it). As you yourself have noted, Australians ought to halt the dewhiting of their country while they still so easily could; but they probably won’t, because they’ll need to learn the hard way what the French, the Germans and the Americans are already learning.

  81. @dfordoom

    The reply you are reading is separately posted because addresses a different point.

    And the MAGA cult and other right-wing groups include enough idiots for that to be a highly likely eventuality.

    This is the great, fundamental weakness generally shared by vigorous new movements that have not obtained power, isn’t it? Unfortunately, you are 100 percent correct in this.

    Nevertheless, some movements mature. Most don’t, but some do. I admit to somewhat low hopes for MAGA and the other factions that presently exist (and my own faction even less than MAGA), because I sense precisely the weakness you sense. What could make the difference is events and shocks that regrettably leave large numbers of substantial, center-right citizens of conventional temperament nowhere else to go. But yes, revolutionaries are revolutionaries: temperamentally, they’re seldom fit to govern, anywhere.

    I could go on, making various fine distinctions and caveats, but that would bore everybody, so I’ll leave it on this note: there is a pair of traditional heroes of 18th-century American history named Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine. Personally, I have never felt much sympathy for either of the pair, not even when I was young, for those two hotheads shared the revolutionary character of which you and I have been speaking; but then you have more elevated characters like Benjamin Franklin and George Washington, plus a few fiery characters of sounder judgment, like Patrick Henry. All this was driven by events.

    Today, events are again mounting the saddle, whether we will or nill.

  82. @Paperback Writer

    Until you calm down, I would avoid engaging with you, but you have asked a direct question so I will answer (though I must expect to receive pointless insults in return).

    My response to anyone who thinks the Capitol riot was a good idea is, “Why weren’t you there yourself? Why did you put your life on the line?

    Several reasons: (i) I did not want to get shot; (ii) I did not want to be imprisoned; (iii) I did not think the storming of the Capitol prudent; (iv) I did not think the storming of the Capitol sufficiently justified; (v) though I voted Trump twice, I am only a marginal supporter, whereas the rally and subsequent riot of Jan. 6 were in support of Trump; (vi) my rally was the one at Charlottesville, Va., Aug. 11 and 12, 2017. The Capitol Riot was MAGA’s turn, not mine.

    Why do you think it’s a good idea for someone else to get crushed by the state – and they will”?

    I do not think it’s a good idea. I think that, when government and institutions combine to suppress the authentic feelings of the authentic American people, such eruptions are inevitable; and, thus, I blame the government and the institutions for the eruptions.

    I have already explained my understanding of spirit and disorder: it’s distributional; given sufficient provocation, some disorder is necessary at the margin. This does not mean that I inhabit the margin, myself; but I can sympathize with the margin a lot more easily than I can sympathize with Charles Schumer. The margin does not hate me. Schumer does.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  83. Jay Fink says:
    @nebulafox

    “But it does give me an interesting “advantage” in immunizing me to further social sanction or pressure.”

    Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  84. botazefa says:
    @nebulafox

    nebulafox – I like your style. I applaud your honesty. I hope lots of folks here take a moment to appreciate your humility and its value. I, too, have probably over-shared here. I’ve presented wrong positions, blindly believing they are correct positions. I’m undereducated too. I’m also probably on the autism spectrum. Dr. Thompson considers me a ‘clever fool’ in his ‘7 Tribes of Intellect’ hosted here on Unz. He’s not weong.

    There is much to consider in what you wrote. There’s much to consider in ID’s response to me as well.

    Using nothing but threats to force social compliance is like eating nothing but junk food: you can try, but good luck thriving for long before the body begins to weaken against external threats.

    I just finished reading the updated translation of Darkness at Noon, so take this criticism with a grain of salt: I think threats, like sugar, provide more satiation than we might want to believe. Living only on sugar can give someone many years of life. Those could be productive years. Similarly, the sugar high of social threats can fuel a society for long periods of time. In my mind, Western civilization is controlled more by Judeo-Christian morality based social threats than it is by codified law. Today, China is using a social credit system that coerces behavior with implicit threats.

    I think social threats are very powerful motivators. That is why critical race theory is so pernicious.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  85. @anon

    Gnosticism is a heresy, you idiot.

    As usual, you don’t even knw what you’re talking about, and don’t even know that you don’t know.

    • Replies: @anon
  86. @216

    Anyone who had anything to do with the riot will be crushed.

    There are plenty of legal options. Thing is, it takes time, effort, energy, and brains. The first you have. The second you are incapable of. The third & fourth you don’t have.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  87. botazefa says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    If you’ve already lost everything, then becoming part of an ineffectual mob will not bring any of it back

    I can easily imagine Sioux Chief Little Crow saying something similar to his braves in the summer of 1862 when they came to him with murder in their eyes. He was against an uprising and was enjoying his two story house and his church, but his Sioux ‘blanket’ braves were starving. Their hunting grounds were empty. They’d been swindled out of their land by traders and US government agents. Their annuity payment that would quell their hunger wouldn’t arrive until the next day. Their dignity was stolen and they called Little Crow a coward. He continued to disagree, but his ego was wounded and he acquiesced. He would lead their war party that resulted in an estimated 400 – 2000 dead settlers.

    Something unorganized, with no goal, no program, and no apparatus of establishing a new order, is not an activity worthy of men

    Would anyone claim that the Sioux were not men?

    38 Sioux would hang in December of 1862 under Lincoln’s order. The Sioux may not have brought what they lost back, but their story brought attention to their suffering and to the capricious treatment they had endured at the hands of an American government intentionally trying to undermine their culture.

    Will the Deplorables find their Little Crow? God help us all.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  88. @V. K. Ovelund

    Until you calm down, I would avoid engaging with you, but you have asked a direct question so I will answer (though I must expect to receive pointless insults in return).

    Not sure why you think I consider you a supporter of this riot. I thought your responses were rational.

    My anger is directed towards those who support the craziness. I only asked you to clarify something you wrote that I found hard to understand. Thanks for your reply.

    Avoid engaging with me. I don’t care.

    I wasn’t originally very upset about the Riot. I thought it was funny. But the more time passes and the more I engaged with supporters, the more enraged I became. I thought AE had a sane commentariat.

    Time to disengage from Unz.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  89. @dfordoom

    The problem with that is that “a certain minimal degree of disorder” can so easily escalate. It only takes one or two idiots for “a certain minimal degree of disorder” to escalate into a full-scale riot with people getting killed.

    – heard from a citizen of the Massachusetts Bay colony December 17th, 1773

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  90. @Paperback Writer

    Your courtesy is better than mine today. Moreover, I had forgotten our earlier exchange, in which you had already explained. Please pardon.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  91. @Achmed E. Newman

    [@dfordoom writes:]

    The problem with that is that “a certain minimal degree of disorder” can so easily escalate. It only takes one or two idiots for “a certain minimal degree of disorder” to escalate into a full-scale riot with people getting killed.

    – heard from a citizen of the Massachusetts Bay colony December 17th, 1773

    Sorry, @dfordoom. Your position in the matter has much to recommend it but in my opinion it hides a crucial flaw. I’m with Achmed.

    I hope that being with Achmed does not get me shot and killed, for it might, but I am with him nevertheless. The principle of absolute, unconditional nonresistance is not for me, and there comes a point—we’ve not nearly reached it; you are right about this—but there comes a point at which even hopeless resistance is preferable to abject submission.

    (I do not suggest that the principle of absolute, unconditional nonresistance were for you, incidentally, nor do I mean to put words in your mouth; yet I still believe that Achmed has it right.)

    • Replies: @Talha
  92. @lloyd

    The Feds seem extraordinary unwise to turn Washington D.C into an armed camp

    Who decided this?

  93. @V. K. Ovelund

    De Nada. Forgotten. And thanks for your response to Almost Missouri; you anticipated what I would have said, but better.

    We’re on the same side: the current regime is unacceptable. But violence is off the menu because the state will always have a monopoly on superior force. Now what?

  94. Talha says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I’m with Achmed.

    Man, that’s a sweet t-shirt idea.

    Peace.

  95. anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Gnosticism is a heresy, you idiot.

    Yes. Therefore, you should examine yourself carefully. Maybe even with fear and trembling, if that means anything to you.

    As usual, you don’t even knw what you’re talking about, and don’t even know that you don’t know.

    That’s possible. There is another possibility, though. Perhaps you can figure out what that is?

  96. Curle says:
    @Paperback Writer

    The appropriate response to the protest/not-riot riot is mild amusement leaning towards appreciation for anything that gets the overlord charlatans all spun up understanding they are going to find something to justify their punching downwards campaign regardless. Might as well make the trigger memorable.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  97. anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    What if a single cathedral tool had disappeared – poof! – a year ago? You know, like the Kavanaugh fabulist. Or Weissman. No suspect ever identified. Would they have dared to steal the election then?

  98. @Paperback Writer

    Now what?

    If I knew the answer, I would tell everyone that chose to listen. Unfortunately however, I do not know.

    It seems to me that the most likely single outcome is the one @dfordoom has forecast, though that outcome is far from certain, so the wise man will prepare for the unpredictable. The situation is remarkably volatile. The saddle is now on the horse, so to speak. Between 2021 and 2035 or so, events will ride that saddle.

    What do you think will happen?

  99. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Paperback Writer

    We’re on the same side: the current regime is unacceptable. But violence is off the menu because the state will always have a monopoly on superior force. Now what?

    You have to look at non-violent resistance movements that have been successful. It doesn’t matter what their ideological motivations were – if they were successful you can learn from them. Even if they had ideological motivations that you despise you can still learn from their methods.

    Look at the extraordinary unbroken string of successes achieved by homosexual activists. They won without violence. it might pay to study the reasons that they were so spectacularly successful.

    Or the successes achieved by feminists.

    When your enemies have been successful study their methods to see which of those methods you can use.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  100. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Paperback Writer

    We’re on the same side: the current regime is unacceptable. But violence is off the menu because the state will always have a monopoly on superior force. Now what?

    You could try embracing some policy positions that would be genuinely popular. Healthcare and housing are things that ordinary people, the normies, actually care about.

    And a UBI.

    The GOPe will be busy trying to return the GOP to its traditional roots as the Party of Greed. The neoliberals seem to be in full control of the Democrats. So there’s an opportunity for any movement that offers an alternative that includes things that ordinary people would actually want.

    Drop the obsession with Jews and conspiracy theories. It gives the impression of a movement composed of swivel-eyed loons.

  101. I have been looking at buy some [products from china.

    As an individual buyer, there is very little savings.

    It’s the large US companies, not China. China is not forcing US corporations to buy and produce from or in china

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  102. @dfordoom

    I agree with all of this.

    Drop the obsession with Jews and conspiracy theories. It gives the impression of a movement composed of swivel-eyed loons.

    I’m surprised you brought that one up. I’m not going to take that personally because I realize it wasn’t meant personally so I won’t respond personally. But I think you’re off base here.

    One, a certain faction of the loons won’t follow your advice. Because they really think that the Jews are the issue. These people are easily marginalized. They can’t work with anyone. They neutralize themselves. Spencer & crew abandoned Trump long ago.

    The bigger problem is that this wasn’t the loon faction on display at the Capitol. They weren’t the hardcore alt-right. They were true Trump believers who are completely non-anti-Semitic and non-racist.

    As long as we’re pipe-dreaming, here’s mine. I realize that politics and rationality are only accidental buddies, but I actually think a politician can succeed if he steals Trump’s ideas on immigration and trade and packages them in a calm, Ike-type body and delivery.

    Let’s stop making fun of Uncle Joe. After four years of Trump, he’s kind of soothing.

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    , @dfordoom
  103. @dfordoom

    The gay activists succeeded by blackmail and taking over Hollywood. We can’t do that.

  104. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Paperback Writer

    As long as we’re pipe-dreaming, here’s mine. I realize that politics and rationality are only accidental buddies, but I actually think a politician can succeed if he steals Trump’s ideas on immigration and trade and packages them in a calm, Ike-type body and delivery.

    That could work. It’s like marketing. You can sell any product if you can package and market it attractively. The secret is to make people feel good about buying the product.

    I also think that a populist movement would have more chance if it didn’t present itself as explicitly right-wing. Opposition to open borders and free-trade is essentially a left-wing position.

    Even social conservatism isn’t essentially right-wing.

    The problem with identifying as being explicitly right-wing is that the Right has become highly toxic as a brand.

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  105. @Jay Fink

    No, no. That is definitely not the case. Freedom is the absence of worry about losing things of value.

  106. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Paperback Writer

    The bigger problem is that this wasn’t the loon faction on display at the Capitol. They weren’t the hardcore alt-right. They were true Trump believers who are completely non-anti-Semitic and non-racist.

    The problem is that the entire non-mainstream Right is going to pay for their folly. Even the mainstream Right is going to be damaged by it.

    We live in a world in which anyone who is “right-wing” is pretty much assumed to be a bad dangerous person. Being labelled as a right-wing group is like being labelled as a communist in the 50s.

    I don’t see a future for any kind of populism that identifies itself as right-wing.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  107. @dfordoom

    Drop the obsession with Jews….

    Do you mean, avoid mentioning them?

    It gives the impression of a movement composed of swivel-eyed loons.

    Because Jewry is not the antagonist I think it is? Or because Jews control most of the organs of public communication and, therefore, by mentioning Jews, one cannot win? Or for some other reason?

    [MORE]

    Little would please me more than to drop the topic of Jews. If most élite Jews would behave as Ilana Mercer, Dennis Prager, Stephen Miller, Mark Levin, Irving Berlin and Ron Unz do, the topic would be easy to drop. As matters stand, however, though your advice otherwise seems excellent, I am not finding your advice on the Jewish point very persuasive.

    In my estimation, it is as though you had advised a firefighter to drop his obsession with flames. Whether such an obsession—or concern, if you prefer—makes the firefighter a swivel-eyed loon is, of course, a matter of judgment. Obviously, I do not believe that it does.

    On the other hand, I bear a personal grudge whose relevant details are known to you and which may be compromising my discernment. Thus, if you tell me that I am wrong and tell me why, I will listen, though I cannot promise to be easy to convince.

    I would prefer to be wrong on this point, after all. Besides relieving me of an enemy, when the last thing I need is another enemy, being wrong might make solving some important civilizational problems rather easier. Moreover, I have no fewer than four old Jewish friends (real friends, who have been significantly kind to me, one of whom I have known since we were both 7 years old, who has children the age of my children and still lives within a half hour’s drive of my home; I do not speak of mere casual acquaintances) whom I now avoid because I do not want the awkward topic to come up. So if you answer, I am listening.

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  108. @EliteCommInc.

    China is not forcing US corporations to buy and produce from or in China.

    No, but by eliminating the traditional American import tariff, Congress is forcing them.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  109. @dfordoom

    Y’know what? I don’t care how you label it, if the ideas work, I’m for it.

    Also, I was wrong about the Capitol gang. There were anti-Semites among them, but they were mostly hustlers like Nick Fuentes. F him. I save my compassion for sincerely deluded fools like Ashli Babbitt, who fell for the QAnon shyte and gave her life for a man who has no loyalty to anything but himself (Trump). She should have been home with a couple of kids.

    In fact, I’m happy that USG is going to come down like a ton of bricks on the likes of Fuentes. He was a shill, a provocateur, and a creep. If our side ever gained power, we’d have to crush him, so let USG do our dirty work for us while we gather forces & start to learn how to resist effectively.

    And that’s all that I care to say for now.

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  110. @dfordoom

    And another thing… slightly O/T but taking the opportunity to speak to one of the sane commenters here.

    I cannot believe that some people at Unz (on other blogs, esp. Sailer and Hood) are not only getting weepy over Ashli Babbitt for getting sucked into trouble, they are holding her up as a shining example of white womanhood under siege.

    Let’s not do that. I pity the poor dumb girl. She should never have been there. But since when do conservatives defend (a) a woman who has a criminal record of threatening other women (b) women in the military (c) women taking part in military operations (which is what they think the silly riot was)?

    Ashli’s military career is everything these guys make fun of, when it’s blacks who are the subject. I’m not an expert on military matters but I’ve read that her rank (E4) after 14 years is an indication she was either busted down for insubordination or was too dumb to go further. She was, in short, a perfect example of the uselessness of women in the military. If a black person had the same record, they’d rightly dismiss it.

    After the military, she got into debt and got cited for various offenses. Again, the same sort of fecklessness would be ruthlessly criticized, if she were black.

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    , @anonymous
  111. @Paperback Writer

    I’m not an expert on military matters but I’ve read that her rank (E4) after 14 years is an indication she was either busted down for insubordination or was too dumb to go further.

    E-4? Really?

    That’s pretty sad if true. I cannot recall ever hearing of a serviceman unable to get promoted to E-5 being offered a third enlistment. Second, yes; third, no. I had believed that the services honorably separated such persons after 8 to 10 years as a matter of course.

    I only served in the Army, though. Maybe the Air Force differs?

  112. dfordoom says: • Website
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Drop the obsession with Jews….

    Do you mean, avoid mentioning them?

    Avoid focusing on them. If you have a problem with someone who is Jewish you will in every case find that the person is a member of the elite, so focus your attacks on the elites. Very few people outside the far right hate Jews but almost everybody hates the elites. Almost everybody hates bankers and billionaires. Hollywood moguls, tech monopolists, elite academics, politicians, media tycoons and journalists are pretty generally despised.

    So focus on attacking people for being bankers, billionaires, Hollywood moguls, tech monopolists, elite academics, politicians, media tycoons and journalists.

    It’s highly likely that in most cases the reasons these people are enemies of society is that they’re bankers, billionaires, Hollywood moguls, tech monopolists, elite academics, politicians, media tycoons and journalists.

    by mentioning Jews, one cannot win?

    By mentioning Jews or attacking people simply for being Jewish you make defeat an absolute certainty.

    You simply have to decide if you want to win or lose. If you want to lose, focus on the Jews. If you want to win, try a smarter strategy.

    My theory is that most far right groups (whether it’s the dissident right or the MAGAtards or whatever) are not interested in winning. They just want to indulge in hate and/or self-pity. They want to lose because losing proves that their conspiracy theories must be correct. Losing reinforces their feelings of persecution and they enjoy that. They want to be persecuted losers. I think it’s a weird quasi-religious thing. They think that being persecuted losers makes them virtuous, like Christian martyrs actively seeking martyrdom.

    • Thanks: A123
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  113. dfordoom says: • Website
    @V. K. Ovelund

    No, but by eliminating the traditional American import tariff, Congress is forcing them.

    I remember the good old days when Australian industries were protected by import tariffs. In those days we had a miserable range of over-priced poor quality goods on the shelves. The manufacturers were making lots of money and consumers were getting royally screwed.

    I don’t think that import tariffs are such a good idea. They only benefit corporations. And with increasing automation import tariffs won’t bring back all those factory jobs. What you’ll get will be robot factories. The few jobs that are created will go to immigrants.

  114. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Paperback Writer

    Y’know what? I don’t care how you label it, if the ideas work, I’m for it.

    As Deng said, “No matter if it is a white cat or a black cat; as long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat.”

  115. @dfordoom

    with increasing automation import tariffs won’t bring back all those factory jobs. What you’ll get will be robot factories. The few jobs that are created will go to immigrants.

    Robots require intelligence and literacy to operate and maintain.  They require a LOT of intelligence to program.  Immigrants from most countries are low-IQ and simply cannot do those things, any more than Africans-in-America can.

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  116. anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    I’ve read that her rank (E4) after 14 years is an indication she was either busted down for insubordination or was too dumb to go further

    Where did you read that?
    Babbit was only on active duty from April 2004 to April 2008, so her rank of E-4 or senior airman is normal. She was a reservist from October 2008 to July 2010, also normal. She joined the Air National Guard in July 2010 and served to July 2016.

    I’m not an expert on military matters

    That’s obvious.

  117. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Mr. Rational

    Robots require intelligence and literacy to operate and maintain. They require a LOT of intelligence to program. Immigrants from most countries are low-IQ and simply cannot do those things, any more than Africans-in-America can.

    There are plenty of dot-Indians who can be imported to operate and maintain them.

    And if the robot factory starts losing money guess what happens next? The taxpayer will be called on to bail them out.

    Unfortunately you can’t turn the clock back to the 1950s. The huge numbers of factory jobs that have been lost have mostly been lost forever. All tariffs will do is to create a new low-employment manufacturing sector that will expect to be heavily subsidised.

    The folks in the Rust Belt states who elected Trump in 2016 thought the good old days of well-paid secure factory jobs were coming back. It was an illusion. A relatively small number of new jobs can be created but those Rust Belt voters aren’t going to get those jobs.

    And either way the consumer gets screwed. Those Rust Belt voters will just end up paying higher prices for consumer goods and they still won’t have jobs or a future.

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  118. @dfordoom

    I remember the good old days when Australian industries were protected by import tariffs. In those days we had a miserable range of over-priced poor quality goods on the shelves. The manufacturers were making lots of money and consumers were getting royally screwed.

    However, the United States has ten times the population, ten times the domestic market, and an entirely different, lengthy, much happier, brilliantly successful historical experience with tariffs. Also, as I believe, U.S. tariffs, usually targeted at helpful rather than destructive levels, were more moderate than Australian.

    I am under the (undoubtedly incomplete) impression that Australia, with its vast mining capacity, was always better suited to export orientation than the United States was.

    And with increasing automation import tariffs won’t bring back all those factory jobs. What you’ll get will be robot factories.

    Yes, you are right. The jobs question as usually posed is a red herring. It confuses people, so I avoid engaging with it if I can.

    [MORE]

    Changing the subject, with regard to Jews, I understand your position better than you might think, for I shared the position all my life until about 2018, when the long series of unpleasant Jewish coïncidences finally grew too troubling for me to ignore. The hurdles you describe are real, and your diagnosis of the drawback of naming the Jew seems correct to me.

    I do not know how to handle the Jewish Question. It’s a conundrum, but our politely ignoring the Question has been so ruthlessly, deliberately exploited by élite Jews at every turn, that I think that something other than ignoring it has got to be tried.

    Donald Trump may be a bloviating blowhard, but he was also right about a lot of things, one of which was that a problem that cannot be named, cannot very well be addressed. So something is needed. I don’t know what, but something. Merely naming “élites” has not sufficed.

    Yet even by placing the Jewish Question below the MORE break in the reply you are now reading, I admit that you are largely right, don’t I? Even at Unz, readers dislike to read me banging on about the Jews. I understand the dislike. I share it.

  119. @dfordoom

    And if the robot factory starts losing money guess what happens next? The taxpayer will be called on to bail them out.

    The US-based factories weren’t bailed out, why would anyone bail out robot factories?

  120. @anonymous

    Where did you read that?

    Same place you read this:

    Babbit was only on active duty from April 2004 to April 2008, so her rank of E-4 or senior airman is normal. She was a reservist from October 2008 to July 2010, also normal. She joined the Air National Guard in July 2010 and served to July 2016.

    I’ve concluded that anything or any screen name with “anon” in it is idiocy.

    She was in the Air Force was 2004 to 2010 and stayed in the lowest ranks, doing routine guard duty. After that, she got into one fight after another, rear-ending her husband’s first wife three times. Where’d I read that? Look it up yourself, moron.

  121. @V. K. Ovelund

    From what I read about her, she did not keep her head down. If there’s one thing you learn in the military, it’s that, amirite?

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  122. @anonymous

    Turns out that your gal and her husband were in a “throuple.” She welcomed all races, creeds, & sexual orientations as long as they were patriots.

    Sounds like your kinda gal!

  123. anon[329] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    From what I read about her, she did not keep her head down.

    Because a BLM guy was urging her forward into the gap; something like “You’re small, you go first!”. One cannot “go first” through an aperture and also keep one’s head down.

    It was a setup and she was chosen for death by various actors, including the BLM activist from Utah who is now in custody.

  124. A123 says:
    @dfordoom

    Avoid focusing on them. If you have a problem with someone who is Jewish you will in every case find that the person is a member of the elite, so focus your attacks on the elites.

    It’s highly likely that in most cases the reasons these people are enemies of society is that they’re bankers, billionaires, Hollywood moguls, tech monopolists, elite academics, politicians, media tycoons and journalists.

    Thanks. You made the case much more eloquently than I.

    Very few people outside the far right hate Jews

    One quibble here. There is a strong anti-Semitic presence in the SJW Left. Look at Elite SJW leaders like Jeremy Corbyn.

    On a smaller scale, how many non-right posters here have been actively cheering the death of Sheldon Adelson? According the the SJW Elites you can be “The Wrong Kind of Jew”. They also frequently believe that devout believers in Jesus are “The Wrong Kind of Deplorable Christian”.
    _____

    To expand on your point.

    While there are are significant number of bad actors with Jewish last names, how many of them go to services regularly?

    It is a mixed metaphor but… Apostates Flock Together!. The fact that former Jews group together in certain fields provides validation that abandoning their traditions of their forebearers was the correct choice. This allowed them to form a community of what amounts to “Non-Jewish former Jews that still self identify as Jews”.
    ____

    The idea that there is a single monolithic block of “ALL JEWS” simply does not hold up. To illustrate:

    — Israeli Jews are 2/3 for MAGA Trump (1)
    — U.S. Orthodox Jews were 64% MAGA Trump voters in 2016 (2), and it is near certain that the % is even higher in 2020.

    If “JEWS” were in control, Trump would be President.

    Trump was defeated by a small number of powerful Globalist Elites. The Authoritarian Elites contain figures like Mutti Merkel and Pope Francis. Everyone can be 100% certain the Pope is not Jewish. There is also a probability that the Pope is not Christian, but let us avoid being dragged off-topic.

    American Christians and Jews are horrified by the open racism of Democrats, such as Ilhan Omar & Rashid Tlaib. In the battle against Globalist Elites… Huge numbers of Non-Elite U.S. Jews are a natural ally for U.S. Christians. Jews and Christians who will believe in God are already standing together against the SJW Elite authoritarian threat.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/majority-of-israelis-prefer-donald-trump-over-joe-biden-poll-645493

    (2) https://www.unz.com/anepigone/how-jews-voted-in-the-2016-us-presidential-election/?highlight=Orthodox

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  125. dfordoom says: • Website
    @A123

    There is a strong anti-Semitic presence in the SJW Left. Look at Elite SJW leaders like Jeremy Corbyn.

    Jeremy Corbyn is anti-Zionist, not anti-semitic.

    While there are are significant number of bad actors with Jewish last names, how many of them go to services regularly?

    It is a mixed metaphor but… Apostates Flock Together!. The fact that former Jews group together in certain fields provides validation that abandoning their traditions of their forebearers was the correct choice. This allowed them to form a community of what amounts to “Non-Jewish former Jews that still self identify as Jews”.

    I think there’s a lot of truth in that.

    If “JEWS” were in control, Trump would be President.

    Then it’s lucky they’re not in charge!

    Huge numbers of Non-Elite U.S. Jews are a natural ally for U.S. Christians. Jews and Christians who will believe in God are already standing together against the SJW Elite authoritarian threat.

    There are lots of Muslims who are opposed to the SJW Elite authoritarian threat. The situation is the same with Jews, Christians and Muslims. The ones who support SJWism are the ones who don’t actually practise or believe in their religion. The ones who actually practise their faiths generally dislike SJWism.

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