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As America burns, one of the arsonists’ recurring calls is for minority-owned businesses to be spared:
https://twitter.com/isaiah_kb/status/1266449042122461184
So destroy businesses, but not non-white businesses. In other words, destroy white businesses. A minority-owned sign on the window is the new lamb blood on the doorframe:

Some business owners in south Minneapolis spent the previous night trying to protect their businesses from looters. Thursday night as more destruction spread, some businesses placed signs in their windows letting people know they were a minority-owned business.

They are targeting white businesses. They are targeting the White House. They are targeting white America. They are trying to start a race war.

This will not end well.

 
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  1. minority-owned businesses… They are targeting white businesses.

    Whose businesses burnt in large numbers during the L.A. Riots again?

    “Minority-owned businesses” may mean all non-white-owned businesses in legal terms, but that’s not what it means among black-brown agitators. It means black- or brown-owned. Asian-owned stores are almost always targeted when blacks and browns riot (more blacks than browns, the latter usually being opportunistic looters rather than instigators, murderers, and arsonists).

    Also, that tweet is incorrect. Some black-owned buisnesses (perhaps unwittingly) were attacked in the recent disturbance, as also occurred in the L.A. Riots (most rioters are not some principled race-warriors – they are thugs looking to vent or opportunistically harm others).

    None of this is new. It’s happened before, many many times, and is a recurring feature of American urban life – whenever a black person is killed by the police, justifiably or not, there is frequently black rioting, and whites and Asians are attacked.

    • Replies: @t
    @Twinkie

    Blacks will make no attempt to avoid looting Hispanic owned businesses, there was significant black on Hispanic violence during the Rodney King riots, and in 1980s Miami the was an Anti-Hispanic black riot every other year.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    , @Hacienda
    @Twinkie

    Well, I was in the middle of LA riots, right in the heart of Koreatown.

    Many Korean stores were burned. Koreans were targeted putatively as a result of Soon Ja Du shooting and killing Latasha Harlins.

    It was a new experience for blacks and Koreans in L.A., two populations that had never really interacted before. Koreans not at all having a clue or care about white/black history. And seeing blacks not as people, but as stereotypes through the lensing of whites and white media. Blacks seeing Korean store owners as diligent Asian economic invaders and new oppressor class. Which I think is accurate from the black perspective.

    I've stated this before, but the family owned stores that burned down were without exception owned by what I would call assholes. There were three small convenience stores that burned down near where I lived. One owned by Middle Easterners, two by Koreans. Rude on top of surly people. The kind the snarl at you while you hand them the cash.

    There happened to be one store in the middle that was owned by kindly Koreans. The ones that smiled and were friendly. This store did not burn although no one was around protecting it.

    The Mexicans participated in the looting, but surprisingly a lot of them returned the stolen loot after the riots. These acts of contrition went a long way to improving Mexican Korean relations.
    The L.A. Riots where a powerful statement made by blacks to Koreans. Do not open stores in our neighborhoods, make money off us, expect docile behavior to the point of killing our children.
    There's a price to be had in flesh for economic caste creation. To me, this is all clear and even fair.
    I doubt you think the same, but I'm willing accept that message.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Marshal Marlow

    , @Alden
    @Twinkie

    American riots are like bad weather. Some years there’s more and worse tornadoes, floods , heat waves , droughts, blizzards, early and late snow storms , earthquakes than usual.

    Some years there’s more riots than usual.

  2. It’s mostly white people doing the rioting and destruction talk of race war is foolish.

    • Agree: Truth
    • Replies: @Truth
    @t

    The talk is foolish but only to those who can see. To the blind it is brilliant. It is Minneapolis, after all.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @t

    If it's alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country's cold civil war to turn hot.

    If you can't tell, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to be optimistic. A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don't know how we're going to avoid being engulfed by it.

    Replies: @Realist, @Achmed E. Newman, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Corvinus, @t, @neutral

    , @AceDeuce
    @t

    Bullcrap.

    And WTF--what are these people writing this stuff, 5 years old?. When they had chimpouts in the 60s, those "black owned" signs went up all over. You think it's "new"? LOL.

    Don't worry, whitecux, you "don't see race", as you all humblebrag nonstop. But blacks do-- 24/7-- and they hate every white person as much as that cop.

    You better start seeing race.

    Replies: @t

    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @t

    Yup, crowd was majority white by quite a bit in Minneapolis last night.

  3. And despite the calls plenty of non white businesses have been burned and looted they people are nilhists. All lot of non whites don’t like what’s going on.

  4. White people are now “owned” by non-Whites, so White people should be protected.

    Looked at another way, America is a minority-owned business, so don’t burn it down.

    It’s getting so White people can’t breathe in what used to be their own country.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Buzz Mohawk


    White people are now “owned” by non-Whites
     
    Don't you talk about my wife and me!

    I want you to know that I am a very good master to the white person I own (and her offspring). Though it did seem that the man who sold me the white person (aka my father-in-law) seemed pretty glad to get rid of her.

    He told me at the time, "I want you to know, she like quality" (meaning, she likes expensive things). I retorted, "Don't worry, sir, that's why she's marrying quality" (meainng, I will be buying her many expensive things).

    We get along well, the seller and I. Both of us feel that we got a good deal in the transaction. Economists call that value creation through trade.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  5. @t
    It's mostly white people doing the rioting and destruction talk of race war is foolish.

    Replies: @Truth, @Audacious Epigone, @AceDeuce, @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    The talk is foolish but only to those who can see. To the blind it is brilliant. It is Minneapolis, after all.

  6. @Twinkie

    minority-owned businesses... They are targeting white businesses.
     
    Whose businesses burnt in large numbers during the L.A. Riots again?

    "Minority-owned businesses" may mean all non-white-owned businesses in legal terms, but that's not what it means among black-brown agitators. It means black- or brown-owned. Asian-owned stores are almost always targeted when blacks and browns riot (more blacks than browns, the latter usually being opportunistic looters rather than instigators, murderers, and arsonists).

    Also, that tweet is incorrect. Some black-owned buisnesses (perhaps unwittingly) were attacked in the recent disturbance, as also occurred in the L.A. Riots (most rioters are not some principled race-warriors - they are thugs looking to vent or opportunistically harm others).

    None of this is new. It's happened before, many many times, and is a recurring feature of American urban life - whenever a black person is killed by the police, justifiably or not, there is frequently black rioting, and whites and Asians are attacked.

    Replies: @t, @Hacienda, @Alden

    Blacks will make no attempt to avoid looting Hispanic owned businesses, there was significant black on Hispanic violence during the Rodney King riots, and in 1980s Miami the was an Anti-Hispanic black riot every other year.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @t

    'Blacks will make no attempt to avoid looting Hispanic owned businesses, there was significant black on Hispanic violence during the Rodney King riots, and in 1980s Miami the was an Anti-Hispanic black riot every other year.'

    My observation has been that, at least on the West Coast, blacks are considerably more hostile to Hispanics than they are to whites -- and the feeling is, to say the least, mutual.

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @t

    In Miami, they're mostly "Huwhite Hispanics".

    Replies: @t

  7. @Buzz Mohawk
    White people are now "owned" by non-Whites, so White people should be protected.

    Looked at another way, America is a minority-owned business, so don't burn it down.

    It's getting so White people can't breathe in what used to be their own country.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    White people are now “owned” by non-Whites

    Don’t you talk about my wife and me!

    I want you to know that I am a very good master to the white person I own (and her offspring). Though it did seem that the man who sold me the white person (aka my father-in-law) seemed pretty glad to get rid of her.

    He told me at the time, “I want you to know, she like quality” (meaning, she likes expensive things). I retorted, “Don’t worry, sir, that’s why she’s marrying quality” (meainng, I will be buying her many expensive things).

    We get along well, the seller and I. Both of us feel that we got a good deal in the transaction. Economists call that value creation through trade.

    • LOL: iffen, dfordoom
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    You made a fine purchase, Sir. Just remember to wash and wax her often. It'll make her feel special, especially the waxing. (As your humble servant, I would be happy to do that for you, Sir.)

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie

  8. @Twinkie
    @Buzz Mohawk


    White people are now “owned” by non-Whites
     
    Don't you talk about my wife and me!

    I want you to know that I am a very good master to the white person I own (and her offspring). Though it did seem that the man who sold me the white person (aka my father-in-law) seemed pretty glad to get rid of her.

    He told me at the time, "I want you to know, she like quality" (meaning, she likes expensive things). I retorted, "Don't worry, sir, that's why she's marrying quality" (meainng, I will be buying her many expensive things).

    We get along well, the seller and I. Both of us feel that we got a good deal in the transaction. Economists call that value creation through trade.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    You made a fine purchase, Sir. Just remember to wash and wax her often. It’ll make her feel special, especially the waxing. (As your humble servant, I would be happy to do that for you, Sir.)

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Buzz Mohawk


    (As your humble servant, I would be happy to do that for you, Sir.)
     
    Eeeeew.
    , @Twinkie
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Hey, at least I bought domestic. Didn’t you buy an import? ;)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  9. @t
    It's mostly white people doing the rioting and destruction talk of race war is foolish.

    Replies: @Truth, @Audacious Epigone, @AceDeuce, @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    If it’s alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country’s cold civil war to turn hot.

    If you can’t tell, I’m finding it increasingly difficult to be optimistic. A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don’t know how we’re going to avoid being engulfed by it.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Audacious Epigone


    A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don’t know how we’re going to avoid being engulfed by it.
     
    It can not be avoided...it is inevitable. A catharsis. This country has ignored the presence of a Deep State for decades...the insouciance and stupidity of Whites has been a problem for decades. When the SHTF anti-white, Whites must be the first dealt with.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Audacious Epigone

    I was something of a prepper type a while back but without a lot of room to do it right. As they always say, better 5 years early than one day late. I'm gonna be doing a lot of "I told you so"ing, I think, but that doesn't make it all better.

    i.e., I'm no more optimistic than you, A.E. I haven't been for 15 years, but things are sure happening fast.

    Replies: @Captain Tripps

    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Audacious Epigone

    Why? Enjoy the decline.

    The west, especially the USA, is rotten to the (((core))).

    Rather see it burn and die trying to build something new, than die a slow and painful death.

    , @Corvinus
    @Audacious Epigone

    "If it’s alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country’s cold civil war to turn hot."

    IF the economy collapses. Trump will save the day, right? And, for an all-out Civil War Part Deux to take place, that requires scores of men from both sides to live on testestorone, take up arms, enter neighborhoods, and engage in small arms conflict or Pinochet helicopter madness, women and children be damned. But I wouldn't about it too much, as the fine posters here who claim they will pitch in are simply blowing off steam. They're harmless creatures. I mean, do you seriously see James Bowery going all Rambo on Jew bankers and their bad white (or is it good whites, I forget which one is properly used) allies?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @neutral, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @t
    @Audacious Epigone

    There is reason to be concerned but there is zero evidence of race war. Ignoring large chain stores there have probably been more cases whites attacking non white owned businesses than the reverse. The people pushing for mayhem a by and large white. I live in miked race area I fear the white leftists far more than any of my non-white neighbors. The threat to this country if (mostly white)leftist not non-whites.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @neutral
    @Audacious Epigone

    If you are pro white then the destruction of America is a good thing. The US regime is the most hostile anti white regime of all time, the best thing that can happen is its end, I am sorry for the chaotic period that many whites will suffer from but they need to think long term what is best.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  10. The large presence of Antifa seems to indicate that these riots have been at least partly planned, and allowed by the mayor. Antifa are basically government/oligarchy tools.

    Blacks don’t hate whites as much as they hate the police. They just can’t understand that if someone is a criminal, he may be killed or arrested, sometimes unlawfully.

    The fact that there are large groups of whites protesting is actually worse than mere black racial riots. It means that not even whites are getting along anymore and are infighting. Society is unraveling, there is anger everywhere.

    Imagine if you had a small business going bust because of the lockdown, then just as you are allowed to finally reopen, comes a mob and loots it and burns it down. Well this is what “they” want. Chaos and murder.

    Things are going to be pretty rocky, at least until November. It’s going to be a long year.

    • Replies: @Stargazer
    @Dumbo

    The madness of (low IQ) crowds.

    , @Realist
    @Dumbo


    Things are going to be pretty rocky, at least until November.
     
    November means nothing. The battle will last until the problems are ameliorated.
    , @MBlanc46
    @Dumbo

    Whites not getting along any more. Any more! Where have you been for the last 70 years?

    , @Nodwink
    @Dumbo

    White Capital never wanted to get along with White (or Black/Brown/Yellow) Labour. White elites deserve everything they get.

  11. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    You made a fine purchase, Sir. Just remember to wash and wax her often. It'll make her feel special, especially the waxing. (As your humble servant, I would be happy to do that for you, Sir.)

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie

    (As your humble servant, I would be happy to do that for you, Sir.)

    Eeeeew.

  12. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    You made a fine purchase, Sir. Just remember to wash and wax her often. It'll make her feel special, especially the waxing. (As your humble servant, I would be happy to do that for you, Sir.)

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie

    Hey, at least I bought domestic. Didn’t you buy an import? 😉

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    Touché.

  13. @Twinkie
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Hey, at least I bought domestic. Didn’t you buy an import? ;)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Touché.

  14. Whites are too browbeaten to do anything, even to defend themselves and that’s as true now as it has been since the 60’s when they fled their homes and their neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @Kaosweaver
    @SIMP simp

    Heh, get out of the city/area you live in. Where I now live, we aren't browbeaten. And we are armed.

  15. anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    Seems familiar somehow:

    Kristallnacht (or the Night of Broken Glass, also called the November Pogrom(s), was a pogrom … carried out by SA paramilitary forces and civilians throughout Nazi Germany. The German authorities looked on without intervening. The name Kristallnacht (“Crystal Night”) comes from the shards of broken glass that littered the streets after the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings and synagogues were smashed. The pretext for the attacks was the assassination of the German diplomat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @anon

    You beat me to it.

  16. @Dumbo
    The large presence of Antifa seems to indicate that these riots have been at least partly planned, and allowed by the mayor. Antifa are basically government/oligarchy tools.

    Blacks don't hate whites as much as they hate the police. They just can't understand that if someone is a criminal, he may be killed or arrested, sometimes unlawfully.

    The fact that there are large groups of whites protesting is actually worse than mere black racial riots. It means that not even whites are getting along anymore and are infighting. Society is unraveling, there is anger everywhere.

    Imagine if you had a small business going bust because of the lockdown, then just as you are allowed to finally reopen, comes a mob and loots it and burns it down. Well this is what "they" want. Chaos and murder.

    Things are going to be pretty rocky, at least until November. It's going to be a long year.

    Replies: @Stargazer, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @Nodwink

    The madness of (low IQ) crowds.

    • Agree: Realist
  17. @Audacious Epigone
    @t

    If it's alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country's cold civil war to turn hot.

    If you can't tell, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to be optimistic. A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don't know how we're going to avoid being engulfed by it.

    Replies: @Realist, @Achmed E. Newman, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Corvinus, @t, @neutral

    A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don’t know how we’re going to avoid being engulfed by it.

    It can not be avoided…it is inevitable. A catharsis. This country has ignored the presence of a Deep State for decades…the insouciance and stupidity of Whites has been a problem for decades. When the SHTF anti-white, Whites must be the first dealt with.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Realist

    "When the SHTF anti-white, Whites must be the first dealt with."

    People who profit by degrading others. I only notice this amongst virtue-signaling whites, but it's a human condition. I hope they're wealthy enough to get to their NZ boltholes, since it won't end well for them.

    Replies: @Realist

  18. @Dumbo
    The large presence of Antifa seems to indicate that these riots have been at least partly planned, and allowed by the mayor. Antifa are basically government/oligarchy tools.

    Blacks don't hate whites as much as they hate the police. They just can't understand that if someone is a criminal, he may be killed or arrested, sometimes unlawfully.

    The fact that there are large groups of whites protesting is actually worse than mere black racial riots. It means that not even whites are getting along anymore and are infighting. Society is unraveling, there is anger everywhere.

    Imagine if you had a small business going bust because of the lockdown, then just as you are allowed to finally reopen, comes a mob and loots it and burns it down. Well this is what "they" want. Chaos and murder.

    Things are going to be pretty rocky, at least until November. It's going to be a long year.

    Replies: @Stargazer, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @Nodwink

    Things are going to be pretty rocky, at least until November.

    November means nothing. The battle will last until the problems are ameliorated.

  19. @t
    It's mostly white people doing the rioting and destruction talk of race war is foolish.

    Replies: @Truth, @Audacious Epigone, @AceDeuce, @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Bullcrap.

    And WTF–what are these people writing this stuff, 5 years old?. When they had chimpouts in the 60s, those “black owned” signs went up all over. You think it’s “new”? LOL.

    Don’t worry, whitecux, you “don’t see race”, as you all humblebrag nonstop. But blacks do– 24/7– and they hate every white person as much as that cop.

    You better start seeing race.

    • Replies: @t
    @AceDeuce

    Have seen any videos from the riots? Most for major damage is being done by whites, blacks seem more interested in stealing stuff from the Target.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

  20. @Audacious Epigone
    @t

    If it's alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country's cold civil war to turn hot.

    If you can't tell, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to be optimistic. A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don't know how we're going to avoid being engulfed by it.

    Replies: @Realist, @Achmed E. Newman, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Corvinus, @t, @neutral

    I was something of a prepper type a while back but without a lot of room to do it right. As they always say, better 5 years early than one day late. I’m gonna be doing a lot of “I told you so”ing, I think, but that doesn’t make it all better.

    i.e., I’m no more optimistic than you, A.E. I haven’t been for 15 years, but things are sure happening fast.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    @Achmed E. Newman

    An old aphorism, sometimes attributed to Lenin (I believe, could be wrong), but probably apocryphal:

    There are decades when nothing much happens, and then there are months when decades happen.

  21. White people are being driven out of Blue America (the cities). The new white flight will carry them out of the Metro altogether into the vast sea of Red America. The former United States will balkanize. Let BLM and Antifa have the shit hole cities including the District Of Corruption. Stop the hate. Separate.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @WorkingClass

    Why don't all white-conscious Republicans migrate to the Southern states, then secede? It would be easier to secede in the same lines as there was a precedent. Of course, the blacks would have to be shipped out to the North, but they would be happy to take them, wouldn't they?

    Replies: @WorkingClass, @Anonymous, @anon, @dfordoom, @Stealth

    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @WorkingClass

    Sad that whites are still cowards and doing white flight. White flight does nothing but give up your land and create new whitetopias for degeneracy and anti white views to take root.

    Stand your ground. My hood is 35% white and I'm not leaving.

    , @MBlanc46
    @WorkingClass

    Stop the hate. Separate. Thanks, I’ll be using that.

  22. @Realist
    @Audacious Epigone


    A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don’t know how we’re going to avoid being engulfed by it.
     
    It can not be avoided...it is inevitable. A catharsis. This country has ignored the presence of a Deep State for decades...the insouciance and stupidity of Whites has been a problem for decades. When the SHTF anti-white, Whites must be the first dealt with.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    “When the SHTF anti-white, Whites must be the first dealt with.”

    People who profit by degrading others. I only notice this amongst virtue-signaling whites, but it’s a human condition. I hope they’re wealthy enough to get to their NZ boltholes, since it won’t end well for them.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @TomSchmidt


    I hope they’re wealthy enough to get to their NZ boltholes, since it won’t end well for them.
     
    They won't be, after we confiscate their ill gotten wealth...and use it to hunt them down.
  23. @Twinkie

    minority-owned businesses... They are targeting white businesses.
     
    Whose businesses burnt in large numbers during the L.A. Riots again?

    "Minority-owned businesses" may mean all non-white-owned businesses in legal terms, but that's not what it means among black-brown agitators. It means black- or brown-owned. Asian-owned stores are almost always targeted when blacks and browns riot (more blacks than browns, the latter usually being opportunistic looters rather than instigators, murderers, and arsonists).

    Also, that tweet is incorrect. Some black-owned buisnesses (perhaps unwittingly) were attacked in the recent disturbance, as also occurred in the L.A. Riots (most rioters are not some principled race-warriors - they are thugs looking to vent or opportunistically harm others).

    None of this is new. It's happened before, many many times, and is a recurring feature of American urban life - whenever a black person is killed by the police, justifiably or not, there is frequently black rioting, and whites and Asians are attacked.

    Replies: @t, @Hacienda, @Alden

    Well, I was in the middle of LA riots, right in the heart of Koreatown.

    Many Korean stores were burned. Koreans were targeted putatively as a result of Soon Ja Du shooting and killing Latasha Harlins.

    It was a new experience for blacks and Koreans in L.A., two populations that had never really interacted before. Koreans not at all having a clue or care about white/black history. And seeing blacks not as people, but as stereotypes through the lensing of whites and white media. Blacks seeing Korean store owners as diligent Asian economic invaders and new oppressor class. Which I think is accurate from the black perspective.

    I’ve stated this before, but the family owned stores that burned down were without exception owned by what I would call assholes. There were three small convenience stores that burned down near where I lived. One owned by Middle Easterners, two by Koreans. Rude on top of surly people. The kind the snarl at you while you hand them the cash.

    There happened to be one store in the middle that was owned by kindly Koreans. The ones that smiled and were friendly. This store did not burn although no one was around protecting it.

    The Mexicans participated in the looting, but surprisingly a lot of them returned the stolen loot after the riots. These acts of contrition went a long way to improving Mexican Korean relations.
    The L.A. Riots where a powerful statement made by blacks to Koreans. Do not open stores in our neighborhoods, make money off us, expect docile behavior to the point of killing our children.
    There’s a price to be had in flesh for economic caste creation. To me, this is all clear and even fair.
    I doubt you think the same, but I’m willing accept that message.

    • Thanks: Marshal Marlow
    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    @Hacienda


    The L.A. Riots where a powerful statement made by blacks to Koreans.
     
    The joke was on both of them. By the time I moved to Koreatown in the mid-aughts, the Mexicans easily outnumbered everyone else.

    Replies: @Hacienda

    , @Marshal Marlow
    @Hacienda

    That was super interesting. I get the sense from this current rioting that there's a lot of anger directed toward the mob's concept of oppressors / exploiters.

    Replies: @Hacienda

  24. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:

    They are targeting white businesses. They are targeting the White House. They are targeting white America.

    All true. And we should rush to defend the first and the third. For the second, who cares? Trump is not a fighter for white America.

  25. The thing the left apparently has not considered is that once a majority of white Americans decide the present political and economic arrangement is not fair to or working for them, things for blacks and latinos will really go downhill fast. Whites are the most law abiding and lowest cost to society of the three groups (by a lot) and pay most of the taxes. The hate and blame-shifting that is now part of the daily media and political bombardment could be sort of treated as background noise so long as there was domestic peace and safety.

    Now that rioters are running unchecked in multiple cities AND the conspiracy that white supremacists are stoking it is being propagated, the Cathedral will double down on the white hate and increasing numbers of middle of the road whites will realize that society’s most powerful institutions are not going to protect them when the mob comes.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    @Arclight

    AFAIK there were only riots in Minneapolis, Atlanta, and DC, although the last was barely a riot. Some angry protesting in California, and that's it?

    The police in NY and LA put down anything as quickly as they could, and I did not hear about anything in the other major cities. This was hardly the end of the world. Just blacks rioting, like they do every few years. I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this. In a few weeks barely anyone will remember this happened.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @Jay Fink, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

  26. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Audacious Epigone

    I was something of a prepper type a while back but without a lot of room to do it right. As they always say, better 5 years early than one day late. I'm gonna be doing a lot of "I told you so"ing, I think, but that doesn't make it all better.

    i.e., I'm no more optimistic than you, A.E. I haven't been for 15 years, but things are sure happening fast.

    Replies: @Captain Tripps

    An old aphorism, sometimes attributed to Lenin (I believe, could be wrong), but probably apocryphal:

    There are decades when nothing much happens, and then there are months when decades happen.

  27. @WorkingClass
    White people are being driven out of Blue America (the cities). The new white flight will carry them out of the Metro altogether into the vast sea of Red America. The former United States will balkanize. Let BLM and Antifa have the shit hole cities including the District Of Corruption. Stop the hate. Separate.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @MBlanc46

    Why don’t all white-conscious Republicans migrate to the Southern states, then secede? It would be easier to secede in the same lines as there was a precedent. Of course, the blacks would have to be shipped out to the North, but they would be happy to take them, wouldn’t they?

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    @Dumbo

    Defectors could be States or coalitions of States (regions). If the idea is to separate from the cities, coalitions of counties across State lines would be an option. Secession might not be the goal. Limited autonomy might be negotiated with The District Of Corruption. The point being to get out of the jurisdiction of BLM and Antifa and their owners.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

    , @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    I don't like the weather, the terrain, the vegetation or the bugs in the southern states, so I would much prefer all the whites to move to the Pacific Northwest and secede. Maybe we could pull in -- or conquer -- British Columbia and have our land from Alaska to Northern California and east to Montana.
    Also, a PNW ethnostate would have it's economic focus and trade with a prosperous East Asia rather than the perennial nothing that is Latin America and the Caribbean.
    Also the second, look at this map -- how are you going to make a white ethnostate in a region that contains most of the blacks? I don't think it would have a chance of working.

    https://i.imgur.com/mwppiee.png

    Replies: @Stealth, @Audacious Epigone

    , @anon
    @Dumbo

    Now they're trying to blame it all on "white nationalists" without a shred of evidence and a mountain of contrary evidence (blacks + antifa)! Could it not be more obvious that this is an evil police state? Totally state-run media. You can see what you see on television but they'll tell you that you actually didn't see what you thought you saw!

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2020/05/30/dindu-20-riots-blamed-on-innocent-white-supremacists/

    , @dfordoom
    @Dumbo


    Why don’t all white-conscious Republicans migrate to the Southern states, then secede?
     
    How many "white-conscious Republicans" are there?

    The number of "white-conscious" people actually prepared to take that kind of insane risk basically amounts to a handful of people.

    Maybe it won't happen because it would lead to a civil war that would make the previous Civil War look like a Sunday School picnic?

    It's not going to happen because very few people are crazy enough to attempt such folly.

    I suspect that even the bold keyboard warriors of Unz Review mostly would not actually attempt such a thing.
    , @Stealth
    @Dumbo

    I recommend against moving there. Once we're on the other side of peak fossil fuels, the South is going to be a real bitch to live in. People complain about the five months of brutal winter weather in the northern third of the country, but imagine living in a searing, humid, bug infested oven for seven months every year without being able to run an air conditioner 24/7. Oh, and it rains all winter long. Then there are the tornadoes, and the hurricanes, and the ice storms.

    You get the picture. Best to choose some other region.

  28. In AE’s devolve-to-the-states future, we avert neighbor-on-neighbor war, as occurred in the Thirty Years War over religious differences, because state governments will not fan the flames. Take for example, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz saying he’s entertaining “unconfirmed reports” that white supremacists are perpetrating organized violence in the Minneapolis riots.

  29. @TomSchmidt
    @Realist

    "When the SHTF anti-white, Whites must be the first dealt with."

    People who profit by degrading others. I only notice this amongst virtue-signaling whites, but it's a human condition. I hope they're wealthy enough to get to their NZ boltholes, since it won't end well for them.

    Replies: @Realist

    I hope they’re wealthy enough to get to their NZ boltholes, since it won’t end well for them.

    They won’t be, after we confiscate their ill gotten wealth…and use it to hunt them down.

  30. “Why can’t we all get along”?

  31. Other than the big box stores such as target and AutoZone which isn’t going to put them out of biz how many white businesses are in these ghettos? Maybe pawn shops? Deli’s and such are almost always ethnically owned in these locals.
    Love how they loot and burn down their own ghettos like it’s really going to piss off or inconvenience the white man! It’s like a little kid throwing at tantrum and smashing their toys to teach mom and dad a lesson! Yeah we don’t like it, it’s pissing away our tax dollars, but that money’s always being pissed away on these scum anyway. They are only screwing themselves, which they are much better at than whitey!

    • Replies: @t
    @VinnyVette

    None of the riots this week have taken place in ghetos! Most have taken place inCentral Business Districts, the one in Minneapolis has taken place in a working to lower middle class mixed race area. https://statisticalatlas.com/neighborhood/Minnesota/Minneapolis/Longfellow/Overview

  32. The System is burning down, burning down, burning down.

    The System is burning down.

    Amerika is over, now.

    Lets see if the Zionists and Trump can put the ashes of this Failed Experiment back together again.

    Globalism doesn’t seem up to the task.

  33. @AceDeuce
    @t

    Bullcrap.

    And WTF--what are these people writing this stuff, 5 years old?. When they had chimpouts in the 60s, those "black owned" signs went up all over. You think it's "new"? LOL.

    Don't worry, whitecux, you "don't see race", as you all humblebrag nonstop. But blacks do-- 24/7-- and they hate every white person as much as that cop.

    You better start seeing race.

    Replies: @t

    Have seen any videos from the riots? Most for major damage is being done by whites, blacks seem more interested in stealing stuff from the Target.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @t

    Organized chaos and destruction by skinny/vegan whites clad in Jesuit black. Somewhat more intense family BBQ behavior and a bit of looting from the blacks.

  34. @VinnyVette
    Other than the big box stores such as target and AutoZone which isn't going to put them out of biz how many white businesses are in these ghettos? Maybe pawn shops? Deli's and such are almost always ethnically owned in these locals.
    Love how they loot and burn down their own ghettos like it's really going to piss off or inconvenience the white man! It's like a little kid throwing at tantrum and smashing their toys to teach mom and dad a lesson! Yeah we don't like it, it's pissing away our tax dollars, but that money's always being pissed away on these scum anyway. They are only screwing themselves, which they are much better at than whitey!

    Replies: @t

    None of the riots this week have taken place in ghetos! Most have taken place inCentral Business Districts, the one in Minneapolis has taken place in a working to lower middle class mixed race area. https://statisticalatlas.com/neighborhood/Minnesota/Minneapolis/Longfellow/Overview

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  35. Lowe says:
    @Arclight
    The thing the left apparently has not considered is that once a majority of white Americans decide the present political and economic arrangement is not fair to or working for them, things for blacks and latinos will really go downhill fast. Whites are the most law abiding and lowest cost to society of the three groups (by a lot) and pay most of the taxes. The hate and blame-shifting that is now part of the daily media and political bombardment could be sort of treated as background noise so long as there was domestic peace and safety.

    Now that rioters are running unchecked in multiple cities AND the conspiracy that white supremacists are stoking it is being propagated, the Cathedral will double down on the white hate and increasing numbers of middle of the road whites will realize that society's most powerful institutions are not going to protect them when the mob comes.

    Replies: @Lowe

    AFAIK there were only riots in Minneapolis, Atlanta, and DC, although the last was barely a riot. Some angry protesting in California, and that’s it?

    The police in NY and LA put down anything as quickly as they could, and I did not hear about anything in the other major cities. This was hardly the end of the world. Just blacks rioting, like they do every few years. I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this. In a few weeks barely anyone will remember this happened.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
    @Lowe


    I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this. In a few weeks barely anyone will remember this happened.
     
    It amazes me how quickly the focus of events changes in America.

    Remember that coronavirus thing?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @dfordoom

    , @Jay Fink
    @Lowe

    Portland rioted last night. Antifia has a large presence there.

    Replies: @res

    , @dfordoom
    @Lowe


    This was hardly the end of the world. Just blacks rioting, like they do every few years. I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this.
     
    Because you're dealing with far right people here and they're in a constant state of barely suppressed hysteria. They're emotionally incontinent. They see everything as a sign of a coming race war, or the coming civil war, or they see it as evidence of some insane conspiracy theory.

    The far right behaves like a bunch of hysterical teenaged girls.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Lowe

    A week on, this hasn't aged particularly well.

  36. @Dumbo
    @WorkingClass

    Why don't all white-conscious Republicans migrate to the Southern states, then secede? It would be easier to secede in the same lines as there was a precedent. Of course, the blacks would have to be shipped out to the North, but they would be happy to take them, wouldn't they?

    Replies: @WorkingClass, @Anonymous, @anon, @dfordoom, @Stealth

    Defectors could be States or coalitions of States (regions). If the idea is to separate from the cities, coalitions of counties across State lines would be an option. Secession might not be the goal. Limited autonomy might be negotiated with The District Of Corruption. The point being to get out of the jurisdiction of BLM and Antifa and their owners.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @WorkingClass


    Defectors could be States or coalitions of States (regions). If the idea is to separate from the cities, coalitions of counties across State lines would be an option. Secession might not be the goal. Limited autonomy might be negotiated with The District Of Corruption.
     
    And pigs might fly. And the Tooth Fairy might be real.

    Once you decide to live in a fantasy world anything is possible. Magic happens.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @WorkingClass

    And to get the hopelessly retrograde rustics out of their jurisdictions as well. The way to frame this is not as a prison break but as an understanding that irreconcilable differences call for amicable divorce.

  37. @Lowe
    @Arclight

    AFAIK there were only riots in Minneapolis, Atlanta, and DC, although the last was barely a riot. Some angry protesting in California, and that's it?

    The police in NY and LA put down anything as quickly as they could, and I did not hear about anything in the other major cities. This was hardly the end of the world. Just blacks rioting, like they do every few years. I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this. In a few weeks barely anyone will remember this happened.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @Jay Fink, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

    I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this. In a few weeks barely anyone will remember this happened.

    It amazes me how quickly the focus of events changes in America.

    Remember that coronavirus thing?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Yahya K.

    'Remember that coronavirus thing?'

    Que?

    Replies: @Wielgus

    , @dfordoom
    @Yahya K.


    It amazes me how quickly the focus of events changes in America.

    Remember that coronavirus thing?

     

    It's like an entire nation of teenaged girls, moving from one obsession to another, from one hysterical outburst to another.
  38. This needs to get out also (these liberal/anarchist white antifa people need to get back into lock down):

    Peace.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Talha

    "(these liberal/anarchist white antifa people need to get back into lock down)"

    These mostly young white people are not liberal. They need to be bloodied but not irreparably damaged. They need to be humbled. They need to be made to understand that political and religious extremism leads to the Abyss.

    Replies: @Talha, @Jane Plain, @iffen

  39. Anonymous[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo
    @WorkingClass

    Why don't all white-conscious Republicans migrate to the Southern states, then secede? It would be easier to secede in the same lines as there was a precedent. Of course, the blacks would have to be shipped out to the North, but they would be happy to take them, wouldn't they?

    Replies: @WorkingClass, @Anonymous, @anon, @dfordoom, @Stealth

    I don’t like the weather, the terrain, the vegetation or the bugs in the southern states, so I would much prefer all the whites to move to the Pacific Northwest and secede. Maybe we could pull in — or conquer — British Columbia and have our land from Alaska to Northern California and east to Montana.
    Also, a PNW ethnostate would have it’s economic focus and trade with a prosperous East Asia rather than the perennial nothing that is Latin America and the Caribbean.
    Also the second, look at this map — how are you going to make a white ethnostate in a region that contains most of the blacks? I don’t think it would have a chance of working.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @Anonymous


    I don’t like the weather, the terrain, the vegetation or the bugs in the southern states,...
     
    I'm a Southern transplant to the Northeast. I love the Deep South. It's my home, after all, but nature is a lot more human friendly up here.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Anonymous

    Talking about a white ethnostate is self-defeating. I doubt even a majority of readers at UR favor such a thing. It's a total non-starter.

  40. @t
    It's mostly white people doing the rioting and destruction talk of race war is foolish.

    Replies: @Truth, @Audacious Epigone, @AceDeuce, @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Yup, crowd was majority white by quite a bit in Minneapolis last night.

  41. @Audacious Epigone
    @t

    If it's alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country's cold civil war to turn hot.

    If you can't tell, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to be optimistic. A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don't know how we're going to avoid being engulfed by it.

    Replies: @Realist, @Achmed E. Newman, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Corvinus, @t, @neutral

    Why? Enjoy the decline.

    The west, especially the USA, is rotten to the (((core))).

    Rather see it burn and die trying to build something new, than die a slow and painful death.

  42. @WorkingClass
    White people are being driven out of Blue America (the cities). The new white flight will carry them out of the Metro altogether into the vast sea of Red America. The former United States will balkanize. Let BLM and Antifa have the shit hole cities including the District Of Corruption. Stop the hate. Separate.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @MBlanc46

    Sad that whites are still cowards and doing white flight. White flight does nothing but give up your land and create new whitetopias for degeneracy and anti white views to take root.

    Stand your ground. My hood is 35% white and I’m not leaving.

  43. “They are targeting white America. They are trying to start a race war.”

    Perhaps there will be stories similar to this one in the coming days.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-missouri-shooting-gasstation/in-ferguson-black-residents-stand-guard-at-white-owned-store-idUSKCN0JA1XF20141126

    One, a six feet, eight-inch tall man named Derrick Jordan – “Stretch,” as friends call him – whisked an AR-15 assault rifle out from a pickup truck parked near the entrance. Jordan, 37, was one of four black Ferguson residents who spent Tuesday night planted in front of the store, pistols tucked into their waistbands, waiting to ward off looters or catch shoplifters.At times, Jordan and his friends were joined on Tuesday night by other men from the neighborhood, also armed. None of the men was getting paid to be there. They said they felt they owed it to Merello, who has employed many of them over the years and treats them with respect. “He’s a nice dude, he’s helped us a lot,” said a 29 year old who identified himself as R.J. He said he, like the other volunteers, had lived a short distance away from the store for most of his life.

    Here, black owned businesses stood together to stop their stores from being looted and burned.

    https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/small-business-owners-try-to-preserve-history-and-prevent-destruction/89-48e51aad-f903-4d2a-a14b-ecb6b1021e6c

    Quote–Tim Wilson owns Urban Lights Music. He said they called for help but noboody came as people attempted to kick in their locked doors. “It’s had to juggle both worlds. I understand the outrage and people’s confliction, but I am on the other side as well. This is my livelihood. I don’t want this disrupted or destroyed.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  44. They are trying to start a race war. This will not end well.

    Lol don’t live anywhere near blacks. Out here on the West Coast we couldn’t care less about your urban woes.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @dvorak

    Well, aren't you condescending little Marin County hot tubber?

  45. @Lowe
    @Arclight

    AFAIK there were only riots in Minneapolis, Atlanta, and DC, although the last was barely a riot. Some angry protesting in California, and that's it?

    The police in NY and LA put down anything as quickly as they could, and I did not hear about anything in the other major cities. This was hardly the end of the world. Just blacks rioting, like they do every few years. I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this. In a few weeks barely anyone will remember this happened.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @Jay Fink, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

    Portland rioted last night. Antifia has a large presence there.

    • Replies: @res
    @Jay Fink

    Surprising to see Portland be the first city to declare the "protests" a riot (notice the way I inverted the scare quotes from the headline, my version is more accurate).
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/portland-becomes-first-city-to-declare-protest-over-george-floyds-death-a-riot/

  46. @Audacious Epigone
    @t

    If it's alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country's cold civil war to turn hot.

    If you can't tell, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to be optimistic. A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don't know how we're going to avoid being engulfed by it.

    Replies: @Realist, @Achmed E. Newman, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Corvinus, @t, @neutral

    “If it’s alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country’s cold civil war to turn hot.”

    IF the economy collapses. Trump will save the day, right? And, for an all-out Civil War Part Deux to take place, that requires scores of men from both sides to live on testestorone, take up arms, enter neighborhoods, and engage in small arms conflict or Pinochet helicopter madness, women and children be damned. But I wouldn’t about it too much, as the fine posters here who claim they will pitch in are simply blowing off steam. They’re harmless creatures. I mean, do you seriously see James Bowery going all Rambo on Jew bankers and their bad white (or is it good whites, I forget which one is properly used) allies?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    '... They’re harmless creatures...'

    Okay...what's your actual name and address? Would you post a picture?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @neutral
    @Corvinus

    This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Corvinus

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Corvinus

    "Pinochet"

    You're stuck in the 1970s. Welcome to 2020: the authoritarian threat comes from the left.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Corvinus

  47. @t
    @Twinkie

    Blacks will make no attempt to avoid looting Hispanic owned businesses, there was significant black on Hispanic violence during the Rodney King riots, and in 1980s Miami the was an Anti-Hispanic black riot every other year.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    ‘Blacks will make no attempt to avoid looting Hispanic owned businesses, there was significant black on Hispanic violence during the Rodney King riots, and in 1980s Miami the was an Anti-Hispanic black riot every other year.’

    My observation has been that, at least on the West Coast, blacks are considerably more hostile to Hispanics than they are to whites — and the feeling is, to say the least, mutual.

  48. @Corvinus
    @Audacious Epigone

    "If it’s alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country’s cold civil war to turn hot."

    IF the economy collapses. Trump will save the day, right? And, for an all-out Civil War Part Deux to take place, that requires scores of men from both sides to live on testestorone, take up arms, enter neighborhoods, and engage in small arms conflict or Pinochet helicopter madness, women and children be damned. But I wouldn't about it too much, as the fine posters here who claim they will pitch in are simply blowing off steam. They're harmless creatures. I mean, do you seriously see James Bowery going all Rambo on Jew bankers and their bad white (or is it good whites, I forget which one is properly used) allies?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @neutral, @SunBakedSuburb

    ‘… They’re harmless creatures…’

    Okay…what’s your actual name and address? Would you post a picture?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    "Okay…what’s your actual name and address? Would you post a picture?"

    It's very creepy on your part to make this request.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  49. @Yahya K.
    @Lowe


    I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this. In a few weeks barely anyone will remember this happened.
     
    It amazes me how quickly the focus of events changes in America.

    Remember that coronavirus thing?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @dfordoom

    ‘Remember that coronavirus thing?’

    Que?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Colin Wright

    I had almost forgot that we were all supposed to be dying of the Black Death.

  50. @t
    @Twinkie

    Blacks will make no attempt to avoid looting Hispanic owned businesses, there was significant black on Hispanic violence during the Rodney King riots, and in 1980s Miami the was an Anti-Hispanic black riot every other year.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    In Miami, they’re mostly “Huwhite Hispanics”.

    • Replies: @t
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    By the 80s they were the darker skinned boat lift Cubans.

  51. “It was a new experience for blacks and Koreans in L.A., two populations that had never really interacted before. Koreans not at all having a clue or care about white/black history.”

    Nonsense. Asians in general were schooled in US social construction when they met — and during the subsequent conflicts we (US) made it very clear who was and who was out. What is was so convenient for Asians was their high context value of group over individualism — which means compliance oer rights. So the idea of individual rights over the social order was simply not a matter of serious consideration, until they had become

    “too americanized” as the old school asians would note, unruly, challenging authority.” But any asian coming to the US interacting with this country new the deal right away. And they know how to play it.

    ————————–

    The american black while generally obedient has gown less tolerant against what might be considered undue burden of giving in to white expectations. It’s a risk.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    @EliteCommInc.

    There's a difference between reading books (selected exclusively by whites) and actually going out and living it. It's the first time a large enterprising population of Koreans interacted with blacks in black neighborhoods and without white mediation. Koreans are quick learners, at least enough of them are, and blacks aren't just handing out lessons you find in the books.

    Well aware Koreans tend to contextualism, maybe more than most, but that turned out to be advantaged way of understanding the riots.

    These black riots are powerful, explosive events with their own reasons, rhythms, rhymes. A feature, not a bug of American life. Beyond the boomer. More like the drop in pop music. Respect the drop. Boom, boom, boom.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoUV7Q1C1SU

  52. anon[494] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo
    @WorkingClass

    Why don't all white-conscious Republicans migrate to the Southern states, then secede? It would be easier to secede in the same lines as there was a precedent. Of course, the blacks would have to be shipped out to the North, but they would be happy to take them, wouldn't they?

    Replies: @WorkingClass, @Anonymous, @anon, @dfordoom, @Stealth

    Now they’re trying to blame it all on “white nationalists” without a shred of evidence and a mountain of contrary evidence (blacks + antifa)! Could it not be more obvious that this is an evil police state? Totally state-run media. You can see what you see on television but they’ll tell you that you actually didn’t see what you thought you saw!

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2020/05/30/dindu-20-riots-blamed-on-innocent-white-supremacists/

  53. TG says:

    I hear you, but here’s another angle.

    The elites have systematically looted this country. Our industrial base has been shopped away to China, never to return. Post-1970 cheap-labor immigration has boosted the population by 100 million and climbing (yes! Really! Remember, it’s not the number of immigrants, it’s the total boost to population due to immigration, including descendants) – so wages are down, rents are unaffordable, and people are going massively into debt to get ‘professional’ degrees because blue-collar jobs either don’t exist or won’t pay the bills. Meanwhile medical bills skyrocket, and now we have ‘surprise medical billing’ where even with massively expensive medical insurance you can be hit with UNLIMITED surprise bills – and there is no way to avoid this other than to not ever got to a hospital (Kinda hard if you’ve got a sick kid). And we’re wasting a trillion dollars a year on pointless winless foreign wars. And we’ve been shoveling tends to trillions of dollars at Wall Street and other financial parasites. And the last ‘stimulus’ bill was mostly about the rich granting themselves massive tax cuts and subsidies and bailouts – the only other thing close to such shameless looting was Russia under Yeltsin.

    And now with tens of millions of people out of work, most of the rest with wages soon to be cut, with taxes on the middle class set to skyrocket, with social security soon to be gutted, and more and more people can’t pay their rent, and there is hardly any social safety net to speak of….

    It’s time to whip the proles up into a frenzy and set them at each other’s throats!

    So yeah, pick some random bad thing that happened (in a country of 340+ million, there is always going to be at least one bad thing happening) have the corporate news scream that’s this one incident is the end of the world and it’s all about racism (NO! It’s about class war but don’t say that!) and deliberately whip the blacks up into a mindless frenzy. Then make the whites terrified and contemptuous of blacks.

    Divide and conquer, redirect anger away from the elites onto someone else, an old old story. And we are such chumps, we fall for it like we always do…

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @TG

    I was going to put an [AGREE] on this one, TG, until I got to the last part. Don't get me wrong - your description of the way things have been, and are, going is a good one. It's just a "take", you say.

    I ask you, why wouldn't the elites just want things to go solid third-world peacefully? I think they do want to completely eliminate the white middle class (there would be not much of black middle class but for lots of government jobs). They'd like to be more like the elites in the rest of the world, not worried about pesky white people with disposable income who form associations for this and that and vote for all kinds of crazy "Constitutional" stuff.

    It's been working out good for the elites. Why would they want to start major violence that ruins their playground?

    The whipping up into a frenzy is a media thing - they are way, way too stupid to have a plan. It's just that this Kung Flu Infotainment Panic-Fest has been sinking in the ratings ... so .. you know. We're not just gonna all get along, even without being purposefully stirred up. We need quite a bit more separation.

    That's just my take, TG, for what it's worth.

  54. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @t

    In Miami, they're mostly "Huwhite Hispanics".

    Replies: @t

    By the 80s they were the darker skinned boat lift Cubans.

  55. @Dumbo
    @WorkingClass

    Why don't all white-conscious Republicans migrate to the Southern states, then secede? It would be easier to secede in the same lines as there was a precedent. Of course, the blacks would have to be shipped out to the North, but they would be happy to take them, wouldn't they?

    Replies: @WorkingClass, @Anonymous, @anon, @dfordoom, @Stealth

    Why don’t all white-conscious Republicans migrate to the Southern states, then secede?

    How many “white-conscious Republicans” are there?

    The number of “white-conscious” people actually prepared to take that kind of insane risk basically amounts to a handful of people.

    Maybe it won’t happen because it would lead to a civil war that would make the previous Civil War look like a Sunday School picnic?

    It’s not going to happen because very few people are crazy enough to attempt such folly.

    I suspect that even the bold keyboard warriors of Unz Review mostly would not actually attempt such a thing.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  56. @dvorak

    They are trying to start a race war. This will not end well.
     
    Lol don't live anywhere near blacks. Out here on the West Coast we couldn't care less about your urban woes.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Well, aren’t you condescending little Marin County hot tubber?

  57. @Lowe
    @Arclight

    AFAIK there were only riots in Minneapolis, Atlanta, and DC, although the last was barely a riot. Some angry protesting in California, and that's it?

    The police in NY and LA put down anything as quickly as they could, and I did not hear about anything in the other major cities. This was hardly the end of the world. Just blacks rioting, like they do every few years. I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this. In a few weeks barely anyone will remember this happened.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @Jay Fink, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

    This was hardly the end of the world. Just blacks rioting, like they do every few years. I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this.

    Because you’re dealing with far right people here and they’re in a constant state of barely suppressed hysteria. They’re emotionally incontinent. They see everything as a sign of a coming race war, or the coming civil war, or they see it as evidence of some insane conspiracy theory.

    The far right behaves like a bunch of hysterical teenaged girls.

    • Troll: MBlanc46, VinnyVette
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @dfordoom

    Love your comment. I love how first they say the virus is a hoax and then they say that wearing masks will give you an extra dose of the virus. Oops. Wrong topic. Yesterday's topic. They actually hated the virus for a topic because it was so hard to shoehorn race into the discussion.

    On the other hand, I like the riots theoretically. I mean, burning down cop-houses. What could be better?

    On my third hand, I know it's not going to last. It ain't no revolution or sign of the apocalypse or nothing like that. It'll just fade away, like everything else does, as soon as the TV stops reporting it. I mean, like Occupy, or anything else these days, they have no leaders. (Unless you call Soros a leader). No leaders = no revolution. Period.

    On my fourth hand, I also know that the cops are taking names, and retribution will be forthcoming to all of their enemies in their own good time. Mysterious deaths of former demonstrators will be the next pandemic.

  58. @WorkingClass
    @Dumbo

    Defectors could be States or coalitions of States (regions). If the idea is to separate from the cities, coalitions of counties across State lines would be an option. Secession might not be the goal. Limited autonomy might be negotiated with The District Of Corruption. The point being to get out of the jurisdiction of BLM and Antifa and their owners.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

    Defectors could be States or coalitions of States (regions). If the idea is to separate from the cities, coalitions of counties across State lines would be an option. Secession might not be the goal. Limited autonomy might be negotiated with The District Of Corruption.

    And pigs might fly. And the Tooth Fairy might be real.

    Once you decide to live in a fantasy world anything is possible. Magic happens.

  59. @Jay Fink
    @Lowe

    Portland rioted last night. Antifia has a large presence there.

    Replies: @res

    Surprising to see Portland be the first city to declare the “protests” a riot (notice the way I inverted the scare quotes from the headline, my version is more accurate).
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/portland-becomes-first-city-to-declare-protest-over-george-floyds-death-a-riot/

  60. @EliteCommInc.
    "It was a new experience for blacks and Koreans in L.A., two populations that had never really interacted before. Koreans not at all having a clue or care about white/black history."


    Nonsense. Asians in general were schooled in US social construction when they met -- and during the subsequent conflicts we (US) made it very clear who was and who was out. What is was so convenient for Asians was their high context value of group over individualism -- which means compliance oer rights. So the idea of individual rights over the social order was simply not a matter of serious consideration, until they had become

    "too americanized" as the old school asians would note, unruly, challenging authority." But any asian coming to the US interacting with this country new the deal right away. And they know how to play it.

    --------------------------

    The american black while generally obedient has gown less tolerant against what might be considered undue burden of giving in to white expectations. It's a risk.

    Replies: @Hacienda

    There’s a difference between reading books (selected exclusively by whites) and actually going out and living it. It’s the first time a large enterprising population of Koreans interacted with blacks in black neighborhoods and without white mediation. Koreans are quick learners, at least enough of them are, and blacks aren’t just handing out lessons you find in the books.

    Well aware Koreans tend to contextualism, maybe more than most, but that turned out to be advantaged way of understanding the riots.

    These black riots are powerful, explosive events with their own reasons, rhythms, rhymes. A feature, not a bug of American life. Beyond the boomer. More like the drop in pop music. Respect the drop. Boom, boom, boom.

  61. 13% of the population taking on half of half of the population of a country with more than three hundred million guns and an increasing will to use them in self defence … yeah, that is not going to end well. Kind of an sequel to this classic:

    • Disagree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @The Alarmist


    13% of the population taking on half of half of the population of a country with more than three hundred million guns and an increasing will to use them in self defence …
     
    It's much worse than that.  The 13% is concentrated in areas which are totally dependent on the hinterlands for food, fuel, electric power, and likely even water.  Cut that off and they're in deep trouble within hours, and people are dying like flies within days.  The exit routes are not hard to block if you don't mind making gauntlets out of burned-out hoopties (especially with their former owners still at the wheel).

    yeah, that is not going to end well.
     
    To put it mildly.
  62. @Hacienda
    @Twinkie

    Well, I was in the middle of LA riots, right in the heart of Koreatown.

    Many Korean stores were burned. Koreans were targeted putatively as a result of Soon Ja Du shooting and killing Latasha Harlins.

    It was a new experience for blacks and Koreans in L.A., two populations that had never really interacted before. Koreans not at all having a clue or care about white/black history. And seeing blacks not as people, but as stereotypes through the lensing of whites and white media. Blacks seeing Korean store owners as diligent Asian economic invaders and new oppressor class. Which I think is accurate from the black perspective.

    I've stated this before, but the family owned stores that burned down were without exception owned by what I would call assholes. There were three small convenience stores that burned down near where I lived. One owned by Middle Easterners, two by Koreans. Rude on top of surly people. The kind the snarl at you while you hand them the cash.

    There happened to be one store in the middle that was owned by kindly Koreans. The ones that smiled and were friendly. This store did not burn although no one was around protecting it.

    The Mexicans participated in the looting, but surprisingly a lot of them returned the stolen loot after the riots. These acts of contrition went a long way to improving Mexican Korean relations.
    The L.A. Riots where a powerful statement made by blacks to Koreans. Do not open stores in our neighborhoods, make money off us, expect docile behavior to the point of killing our children.
    There's a price to be had in flesh for economic caste creation. To me, this is all clear and even fair.
    I doubt you think the same, but I'm willing accept that message.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Marshal Marlow

    The L.A. Riots where a powerful statement made by blacks to Koreans.

    The joke was on both of them. By the time I moved to Koreatown in the mid-aughts, the Mexicans easily outnumbered everyone else.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    @Daniel Williams

    I guess. The consequences of the riots were vast. More police control, more thought control, more city control. More top down control. Koreans used to be a very male dominated culture. Koreatown was great for men. But all the stuff that made Koreatown masculine was snuffed out in a few days of rioting. The adult places closed, alcohol was banned, gambling places raided, drug dealing ended, etc.

    Koreatown became Dorktown. Even the police changed. Rodney King got whack-a-moled by white MEN. Real men. Now, you may tremor at that behavior from cops, but cops USED to do that and without remorse. Now, you know what happens to cops who even post wrong. Very different world we live in. I'd say MEN lost because of the L.A. Riots.

    Replies: @sasu

  63. “I don’t know how we’re going to avoid being engulfed by it.” -AE

    My reflexive response is “buy social peace.” Even more set-asides, affirmative action, governmental programs. The American people have been quite willing to buy social peace in the past. Christopher Caldwell, in his new book, asks, ”What did we get for $20 trillion in debt?” His answer: “social peace.” I believe it is especially easy to do so now, because, in this Covid age, we are inured to simply printing more money.

    I say “reflexive” because there is a new wrinkle, namely, the active participation of whites. Antifa, the media, and professors. They will not be silenced by the payment. The reason is, by participating, they are virtue-signaling and getting laid, or at least hoping to. This is the biological imperative – don’t laugh. Bernie Sanders was surprised when his supporters did not turn out to vote. The reason is that when you are there alone, voting, unlike being at a rally, there is no one there to exchange phone numbers with.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @SafeNow

    Haha, SafeNow, that getting laid factor should not be discounted. I think it explains a lot of what happened during the 1960s and then later the treehuggers of the environmental movement (with the cutest chicks, I might add). The chicks fall for the next silly thing, and the guys turn out for the chicks. When things get violent, they take part to show off.

    The thing about the antifa though, is they just come off as pussies and retards. Maybe some of them coulda' got laid in Charlottesville, Virginia 3 years back, but their one chance got backed over by a retro muscle car.

    What, too soon??

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @SafeNow

    The problem with trying to buy the peace is that the till is full of nothing but IOUs and monopoly money.

  64. @TG
    I hear you, but here's another angle.

    The elites have systematically looted this country. Our industrial base has been shopped away to China, never to return. Post-1970 cheap-labor immigration has boosted the population by 100 million and climbing (yes! Really! Remember, it's not the number of immigrants, it's the total boost to population due to immigration, including descendants) - so wages are down, rents are unaffordable, and people are going massively into debt to get 'professional' degrees because blue-collar jobs either don't exist or won't pay the bills. Meanwhile medical bills skyrocket, and now we have 'surprise medical billing' where even with massively expensive medical insurance you can be hit with UNLIMITED surprise bills - and there is no way to avoid this other than to not ever got to a hospital (Kinda hard if you've got a sick kid). And we're wasting a trillion dollars a year on pointless winless foreign wars. And we've been shoveling tends to trillions of dollars at Wall Street and other financial parasites. And the last 'stimulus' bill was mostly about the rich granting themselves massive tax cuts and subsidies and bailouts - the only other thing close to such shameless looting was Russia under Yeltsin.

    And now with tens of millions of people out of work, most of the rest with wages soon to be cut, with taxes on the middle class set to skyrocket, with social security soon to be gutted, and more and more people can't pay their rent, and there is hardly any social safety net to speak of....

    It's time to whip the proles up into a frenzy and set them at each other's throats!

    So yeah, pick some random bad thing that happened (in a country of 340+ million, there is always going to be at least one bad thing happening) have the corporate news scream that's this one incident is the end of the world and it's all about racism (NO! It's about class war but don't say that!) and deliberately whip the blacks up into a mindless frenzy. Then make the whites terrified and contemptuous of blacks.

    Divide and conquer, redirect anger away from the elites onto someone else, an old old story. And we are such chumps, we fall for it like we always do...

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I was going to put an [AGREE] on this one, TG, until I got to the last part. Don’t get me wrong – your description of the way things have been, and are, going is a good one. It’s just a “take”, you say.

    I ask you, why wouldn’t the elites just want things to go solid third-world peacefully? I think they do want to completely eliminate the white middle class (there would be not much of black middle class but for lots of government jobs). They’d like to be more like the elites in the rest of the world, not worried about pesky white people with disposable income who form associations for this and that and vote for all kinds of crazy “Constitutional” stuff.

    It’s been working out good for the elites. Why would they want to start major violence that ruins their playground?

    The whipping up into a frenzy is a media thing – they are way, way too stupid to have a plan. It’s just that this Kung Flu Infotainment Panic-Fest has been sinking in the ratings … so .. you know. We’re not just gonna all get along, even without being purposefully stirred up. We need quite a bit more separation.

    That’s just my take, TG, for what it’s worth.

  65. @SafeNow
    “I don’t know how we’re going to avoid being engulfed by it.” -AE

    My reflexive response is “buy social peace.” Even more set-asides, affirmative action, governmental programs. The American people have been quite willing to buy social peace in the past. Christopher Caldwell, in his new book, asks, ”What did we get for $20 trillion in debt?” His answer: “social peace.” I believe it is especially easy to do so now, because, in this Covid age, we are inured to simply printing more money.

    I say “reflexive” because there is a new wrinkle, namely, the active participation of whites. Antifa, the media, and professors. They will not be silenced by the payment. The reason is, by participating, they are virtue-signaling and getting laid, or at least hoping to. This is the biological imperative - don’t laugh. Bernie Sanders was surprised when his supporters did not turn out to vote. The reason is that when you are there alone, voting, unlike being at a rally, there is no one there to exchange phone numbers with.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Audacious Epigone

    Haha, SafeNow, that getting laid factor should not be discounted. I think it explains a lot of what happened during the 1960s and then later the treehuggers of the environmental movement (with the cutest chicks, I might add). The chicks fall for the next silly thing, and the guys turn out for the chicks. When things get violent, they take part to show off.

    The thing about the antifa though, is they just come off as pussies and retards. Maybe some of them coulda’ got laid in Charlottesville, Virginia 3 years back, but their one chance got backed over by a retro muscle car.

    What, too soon??

    • Agree: SafeNow
    • LOL: Adam Smith
  66. @anon
    Seems familiar somehow:

    Kristallnacht (or the Night of Broken Glass, also called the November Pogrom(s), was a pogrom ... carried out by SA paramilitary forces and civilians throughout Nazi Germany. The German authorities looked on without intervening. The name Kristallnacht ("Crystal Night") comes from the shards of broken glass that littered the streets after the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings and synagogues were smashed. The pretext for the attacks was the assassination of the German diplomat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
     

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    You beat me to it.

  67. I’m thinking of becoming a Catholic. Why? Because when I see that Minneapolis might be burned down, I think, “Hmmm, this might put Minnesota in play.” And that is a sinful thought for which I need forgiveness and supposedly that can happen at confession.

  68. t says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    @t

    If it's alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country's cold civil war to turn hot.

    If you can't tell, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to be optimistic. A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don't know how we're going to avoid being engulfed by it.

    Replies: @Realist, @Achmed E. Newman, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Corvinus, @t, @neutral

    There is reason to be concerned but there is zero evidence of race war. Ignoring large chain stores there have probably been more cases whites attacking non white owned businesses than the reverse. The people pushing for mayhem a by and large white. I live in miked race area I fear the white leftists far more than any of my non-white neighbors. The threat to this country if (mostly white)leftist not non-whites.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @t

    I do not discount the desire of white hard leftists wanting to start a race war.

  69. @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    '... They’re harmless creatures...'

    Okay...what's your actual name and address? Would you post a picture?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Okay…what’s your actual name and address? Would you post a picture?”

    It’s very creepy on your part to make this request.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    '...It’s very creepy on your part to make this request.'

    But we're harmless. In what way could this be creepy?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  70. @The Alarmist
    13% of the population taking on half of half of the population of a country with more than three hundred million guns and an increasing will to use them in self defence ... yeah, that is not going to end well. Kind of an sequel to this classic:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njtHUNuGd0s

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    13% of the population taking on half of half of the population of a country with more than three hundred million guns and an increasing will to use them in self defence …

    It’s much worse than that.  The 13% is concentrated in areas which are totally dependent on the hinterlands for food, fuel, electric power, and likely even water.  Cut that off and they’re in deep trouble within hours, and people are dying like flies within days.  The exit routes are not hard to block if you don’t mind making gauntlets out of burned-out hoopties (especially with their former owners still at the wheel).

    yeah, that is not going to end well.

    To put it mildly.

  71. @Dumbo
    @WorkingClass

    Why don't all white-conscious Republicans migrate to the Southern states, then secede? It would be easier to secede in the same lines as there was a precedent. Of course, the blacks would have to be shipped out to the North, but they would be happy to take them, wouldn't they?

    Replies: @WorkingClass, @Anonymous, @anon, @dfordoom, @Stealth

    I recommend against moving there. Once we’re on the other side of peak fossil fuels, the South is going to be a real bitch to live in. People complain about the five months of brutal winter weather in the northern third of the country, but imagine living in a searing, humid, bug infested oven for seven months every year without being able to run an air conditioner 24/7. Oh, and it rains all winter long. Then there are the tornadoes, and the hurricanes, and the ice storms.

    You get the picture. Best to choose some other region.

  72. @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    I don't like the weather, the terrain, the vegetation or the bugs in the southern states, so I would much prefer all the whites to move to the Pacific Northwest and secede. Maybe we could pull in -- or conquer -- British Columbia and have our land from Alaska to Northern California and east to Montana.
    Also, a PNW ethnostate would have it's economic focus and trade with a prosperous East Asia rather than the perennial nothing that is Latin America and the Caribbean.
    Also the second, look at this map -- how are you going to make a white ethnostate in a region that contains most of the blacks? I don't think it would have a chance of working.

    https://i.imgur.com/mwppiee.png

    Replies: @Stealth, @Audacious Epigone

    I don’t like the weather, the terrain, the vegetation or the bugs in the southern states,…

    I’m a Southern transplant to the Northeast. I love the Deep South. It’s my home, after all, but nature is a lot more human friendly up here.

  73. @Dumbo
    The large presence of Antifa seems to indicate that these riots have been at least partly planned, and allowed by the mayor. Antifa are basically government/oligarchy tools.

    Blacks don't hate whites as much as they hate the police. They just can't understand that if someone is a criminal, he may be killed or arrested, sometimes unlawfully.

    The fact that there are large groups of whites protesting is actually worse than mere black racial riots. It means that not even whites are getting along anymore and are infighting. Society is unraveling, there is anger everywhere.

    Imagine if you had a small business going bust because of the lockdown, then just as you are allowed to finally reopen, comes a mob and loots it and burns it down. Well this is what "they" want. Chaos and murder.

    Things are going to be pretty rocky, at least until November. It's going to be a long year.

    Replies: @Stargazer, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @Nodwink

    Whites not getting along any more. Any more! Where have you been for the last 70 years?

  74. Let the cities burn. They are not US after all.

    Let them burn down their nests and wait vainly for others to rebuild.

    Does Amerika have the monies anymore for this nonsense?

    At what point does rebuilding not make sense anymore?

    At what point does rounding up and expelling them make more sense?

    Trump is weak. A creature of The System.

    THE SYSTEM IS BURNING DOWN…

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Dr. Doom


    At what point does rebuilding not make sense anymore?
     
    1948, after Shelley vs. Kraemer.
  75. @WorkingClass
    White people are being driven out of Blue America (the cities). The new white flight will carry them out of the Metro altogether into the vast sea of Red America. The former United States will balkanize. Let BLM and Antifa have the shit hole cities including the District Of Corruption. Stop the hate. Separate.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @MBlanc46

    Stop the hate. Separate. Thanks, I’ll be using that.

  76. Seeing as how it is cops doing the burning down. Out of uniform, perhaps. But still cops. I doubt if they will be spared.

  77. You would think you bastards would like burning down cop-nests.

    Ever hear of Daniel Shaver? He was white. White as they come. Whiter than white. White as bleach. They shot him down like a dog. Literally, like a dog. While he was crawling like a dog because they ordered him to.

    You really don’t care if they shoot white people. All you cares about is if dem coppers get all the love. You think kneeling in front of them is your job. As in . . .

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @obwandiyag

    Tony Timpa is an even better example for comparitive purposes.

    Police brutality is one issue, that everyone knows Floyd's name but almost nobody knows Timpa's is another.

  78. @dfordoom
    @Lowe


    This was hardly the end of the world. Just blacks rioting, like they do every few years. I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this.
     
    Because you're dealing with far right people here and they're in a constant state of barely suppressed hysteria. They're emotionally incontinent. They see everything as a sign of a coming race war, or the coming civil war, or they see it as evidence of some insane conspiracy theory.

    The far right behaves like a bunch of hysterical teenaged girls.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    Love your comment. I love how first they say the virus is a hoax and then they say that wearing masks will give you an extra dose of the virus. Oops. Wrong topic. Yesterday’s topic. They actually hated the virus for a topic because it was so hard to shoehorn race into the discussion.

    On the other hand, I like the riots theoretically. I mean, burning down cop-houses. What could be better?

    On my third hand, I know it’s not going to last. It ain’t no revolution or sign of the apocalypse or nothing like that. It’ll just fade away, like everything else does, as soon as the TV stops reporting it. I mean, like Occupy, or anything else these days, they have no leaders. (Unless you call Soros a leader). No leaders = no revolution. Period.

    On my fourth hand, I also know that the cops are taking names, and retribution will be forthcoming to all of their enemies in their own good time. Mysterious deaths of former demonstrators will be the next pandemic.

  79. This isn’t a race riot it’s a Left wing riot

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @t

    Downwardly mobile children of elites who can't get elite spots themselves and so try to become something this way?

  80. @Daniel Williams
    @Hacienda


    The L.A. Riots where a powerful statement made by blacks to Koreans.
     
    The joke was on both of them. By the time I moved to Koreatown in the mid-aughts, the Mexicans easily outnumbered everyone else.

    Replies: @Hacienda

    I guess. The consequences of the riots were vast. More police control, more thought control, more city control. More top down control. Koreans used to be a very male dominated culture. Koreatown was great for men. But all the stuff that made Koreatown masculine was snuffed out in a few days of rioting. The adult places closed, alcohol was banned, gambling places raided, drug dealing ended, etc.

    Koreatown became Dorktown. Even the police changed. Rodney King got whack-a-moled by white MEN. Real men. Now, you may tremor at that behavior from cops, but cops USED to do that and without remorse. Now, you know what happens to cops who even post wrong. Very different world we live in. I’d say MEN lost because of the L.A. Riots.

    • Replies: @sasu
    @Hacienda

    A thought-provoking observation.

  81. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    "Okay…what’s your actual name and address? Would you post a picture?"

    It's very creepy on your part to make this request.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…It’s very creepy on your part to make this request.’

    But we’re harmless. In what way could this be creepy?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    "But we’re harmless. In what way could this be creepy?"

    It's already been established the Internet Armchair warriors here are harmless; otherwise, they would have made their way to an urban area, took care of the "vibrants" and Antifa, and then reported their exploits here. And it is patently creepy for a stranger to ask another stranger on a blog for their name and address.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  82. @Hacienda
    @Daniel Williams

    I guess. The consequences of the riots were vast. More police control, more thought control, more city control. More top down control. Koreans used to be a very male dominated culture. Koreatown was great for men. But all the stuff that made Koreatown masculine was snuffed out in a few days of rioting. The adult places closed, alcohol was banned, gambling places raided, drug dealing ended, etc.

    Koreatown became Dorktown. Even the police changed. Rodney King got whack-a-moled by white MEN. Real men. Now, you may tremor at that behavior from cops, but cops USED to do that and without remorse. Now, you know what happens to cops who even post wrong. Very different world we live in. I'd say MEN lost because of the L.A. Riots.

    Replies: @sasu

    A thought-provoking observation.

  83. @Yahya K.
    @Lowe


    I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this. In a few weeks barely anyone will remember this happened.
     
    It amazes me how quickly the focus of events changes in America.

    Remember that coronavirus thing?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @dfordoom

    It amazes me how quickly the focus of events changes in America.

    Remember that coronavirus thing?

    It’s like an entire nation of teenaged girls, moving from one obsession to another, from one hysterical outburst to another.

  84. @Colin Wright
    @Yahya K.

    'Remember that coronavirus thing?'

    Que?

    Replies: @Wielgus

    I had almost forgot that we were all supposed to be dying of the Black Death.

  85. wsa says:

    All you Americans cheered when Apartheid was defeated. Every US preacher was against the whites in South Africa. You condemned us from your hypocritical self-righteous pulpits. Let’s not even get started with the politicians, media and academics. Now you are starting to get a taste of your own medicine. I hope you enjoy this, b/c it will not end in your lifetime. Wake me up when you whites make up 5% of the population. Then we can talk about how it feels to be there.

  86. @Hacienda
    @Twinkie

    Well, I was in the middle of LA riots, right in the heart of Koreatown.

    Many Korean stores were burned. Koreans were targeted putatively as a result of Soon Ja Du shooting and killing Latasha Harlins.

    It was a new experience for blacks and Koreans in L.A., two populations that had never really interacted before. Koreans not at all having a clue or care about white/black history. And seeing blacks not as people, but as stereotypes through the lensing of whites and white media. Blacks seeing Korean store owners as diligent Asian economic invaders and new oppressor class. Which I think is accurate from the black perspective.

    I've stated this before, but the family owned stores that burned down were without exception owned by what I would call assholes. There were three small convenience stores that burned down near where I lived. One owned by Middle Easterners, two by Koreans. Rude on top of surly people. The kind the snarl at you while you hand them the cash.

    There happened to be one store in the middle that was owned by kindly Koreans. The ones that smiled and were friendly. This store did not burn although no one was around protecting it.

    The Mexicans participated in the looting, but surprisingly a lot of them returned the stolen loot after the riots. These acts of contrition went a long way to improving Mexican Korean relations.
    The L.A. Riots where a powerful statement made by blacks to Koreans. Do not open stores in our neighborhoods, make money off us, expect docile behavior to the point of killing our children.
    There's a price to be had in flesh for economic caste creation. To me, this is all clear and even fair.
    I doubt you think the same, but I'm willing accept that message.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Marshal Marlow

    That was super interesting. I get the sense from this current rioting that there’s a lot of anger directed toward the mob’s concept of oppressors / exploiters.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    @Marshal Marlow

    Thanks man, so many images, encounters, narratives, all these burned themselves into the minds of Los Angelenos. Like the attractive, young WASPy lady judge who gave probation, no jail to Soon Da Ju and inflamed blacks that much more. The old black man whose store was burned giving testament to the rioters- "I tried to make it!, Don't you see, I tried to make it!". The bobble head newscasters giving away locations of stores with no cops- "Look free goods at the Target on Washington Blvd". Randomly taken in terms of incidents, but spliced together by own background, inclinations, intelligence. M/SP gets to live a black riot again with their own take.

    Haven't been following the current protests, kinda boring to me now, but they seem to have more Prince and less Tupac.

  87. @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    '...It’s very creepy on your part to make this request.'

    But we're harmless. In what way could this be creepy?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “But we’re harmless. In what way could this be creepy?”

    It’s already been established the Internet Armchair warriors here are harmless; otherwise, they would have made their way to an urban area, took care of the “vibrants” and Antifa, and then reported their exploits here. And it is patently creepy for a stranger to ask another stranger on a blog for their name and address.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    '“But we’re harmless. In what way could this be creepy?”

    It’s already been established the Internet Armchair warriors here are harmless; otherwise, they would have made their way to an urban area, took care of the “vibrants” and Antifa, and then reported their exploits here. And it is patently creepy for a stranger to ask another stranger on a blog for their name and address.'

    But if you're sure we're harmless, in what possible way can our interest be creepy?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  88. @Marshal Marlow
    @Hacienda

    That was super interesting. I get the sense from this current rioting that there's a lot of anger directed toward the mob's concept of oppressors / exploiters.

    Replies: @Hacienda

    Thanks man, so many images, encounters, narratives, all these burned themselves into the minds of Los Angelenos. Like the attractive, young WASPy lady judge who gave probation, no jail to Soon Da Ju and inflamed blacks that much more. The old black man whose store was burned giving testament to the rioters- “I tried to make it!, Don’t you see, I tried to make it!”. The bobble head newscasters giving away locations of stores with no cops- “Look free goods at the Target on Washington Blvd”. Randomly taken in terms of incidents, but spliced together by own background, inclinations, intelligence. M/SP gets to live a black riot again with their own take.

    Haven’t been following the current protests, kinda boring to me now, but they seem to have more Prince and less Tupac.

  89. anon[102] • Disclaimer says:

    I just shared this idea elsewhere: Bring back the old storefront metal grates that used to roll from the roof-top to the street that NYC stores had in the 1970s. Companies could make them to spec for your storefront. The lift mechanism could be operated by an engine inside the store, so even if the bottom locks were defeated, the steel curtain wouldn’t raise. The alarm sounding when the grate was forcefully raised should be rock-concert-decibels. The motor should be activated by secret code, so rioters could never raise it without the alarm.

    Also, when a store is breached, tear-gas should automatically be sprayed if a security system isn’t detecting smoke from a fire alarm. Arrangements could be made with the local fire department to ensure these dont go off. They could be located under the floor so the heat wouldn’t get them to go off unexpectedly. They could booby trap stores so they weren’t prone to looting, or at least slowed the looters down. Frankly, I wish they could legally install automatic guns mounted in the walls that fired when some looter broke an invisible beam, but Im pretty Ghengis Kahn about this kind of garbage, admittedly.

  90. Gonna be hard to find ‘white’ businesses.

    Most convenience stores, gas stations (etc) in those areas are owned by Asians or Middle Easterners.

    Actual whites aren’t entrepreneurial anymore.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @jbwilson24


    Actual whites aren’t entrepreneurial anymore.
     
    Actual whites don't get subsidized loans to open retail outlets.
  91. @Audacious Epigone
    @t

    If it's alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country's cold civil war to turn hot.

    If you can't tell, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to be optimistic. A perfect storm of misery and destruction is brewing and I don't know how we're going to avoid being engulfed by it.

    Replies: @Realist, @Achmed E. Newman, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Corvinus, @t, @neutral

    If you are pro white then the destruction of America is a good thing. The US regime is the most hostile anti white regime of all time, the best thing that can happen is its end, I am sorry for the chaotic period that many whites will suffer from but they need to think long term what is best.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @neutral


    If you are pro white then the destruction of America is a good thing. The US regime is the most hostile anti white regime of all time, the best thing that can happen is its end, I am sorry for the chaotic period that many whites will suffer from but they need to think long term what is best.
     
    If the regime were to collapse then that chaotic period will involve many millions of deaths. Including millions of white deaths. How exactly is that going to be good for whites?

    And there are absolutely no grounds for believing that the end result would be better for whites. It might well be much much worse. You're making the tragic mistake of simply assuming that your side would win. What if the bad guys win? They often do.

    The trouble with the long term is that it cannot be predicted. It can turn out to be much much nastier than expected.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @VinnyVette

  92. @Corvinus
    @Audacious Epigone

    "If it’s alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country’s cold civil war to turn hot."

    IF the economy collapses. Trump will save the day, right? And, for an all-out Civil War Part Deux to take place, that requires scores of men from both sides to live on testestorone, take up arms, enter neighborhoods, and engage in small arms conflict or Pinochet helicopter madness, women and children be damned. But I wouldn't about it too much, as the fine posters here who claim they will pitch in are simply blowing off steam. They're harmless creatures. I mean, do you seriously see James Bowery going all Rambo on Jew bankers and their bad white (or is it good whites, I forget which one is properly used) allies?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @neutral, @SunBakedSuburb

    This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @neutral


    This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies.
     
    And are you assuming that it would be your side that ended up with the nukes?

    Replies: @Talha, @neutral

    , @Corvinus
    @neutral

    "If you are pro white then the destruction of America is a good thing."

    You speak for yourself.

    "The US regime is the most hostile anti white regime of all time"

    More of a personal opinion on your part.

    "I am sorry for the chaotic period that many whites will suffer from but they need to think long term what is best."

    What YOU think is best.

    "This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies."

    So if the Alt Rights gets hold of the government, they will use nukes to liquidate the Radical Left/Jewish cabal? Or if the (gasp) Radical Left/Jewish cabal emerges on top, they will take out the Alt Right with Oppenheimer's Toy?

    Are you offering this suggestion? Or are you saying something else?

    Replies: @neutral

  93. @neutral
    @Audacious Epigone

    If you are pro white then the destruction of America is a good thing. The US regime is the most hostile anti white regime of all time, the best thing that can happen is its end, I am sorry for the chaotic period that many whites will suffer from but they need to think long term what is best.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    If you are pro white then the destruction of America is a good thing. The US regime is the most hostile anti white regime of all time, the best thing that can happen is its end, I am sorry for the chaotic period that many whites will suffer from but they need to think long term what is best.

    If the regime were to collapse then that chaotic period will involve many millions of deaths. Including millions of white deaths. How exactly is that going to be good for whites?

    And there are absolutely no grounds for believing that the end result would be better for whites. It might well be much much worse. You’re making the tragic mistake of simply assuming that your side would win. What if the bad guys win? They often do.

    The trouble with the long term is that it cannot be predicted. It can turn out to be much much nastier than expected.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @dfordoom


    What if the bad guys win?
     
    They're winning under the current rules of engagement.  Those rules must be changed.
    , @VinnyVette
    @dfordoom

    How is that good for whites? because there would be millions of deaths of minorities, then maybe the non dead whites can have our country back.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @dfordoom

  94. @neutral
    @Corvinus

    This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Corvinus

    This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies.

    And are you assuming that it would be your side that ended up with the nukes?

    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom

    Chiang Kai-shek vs Mao...which horse comes in first? And who is Mao and Kai-shek in this hypothetical situation? 🤔

    Peace.

    , @neutral
    @dfordoom

    I am not American, but I certainly do hope the civil war has nuclear weapons being used.

  95. @neutral
    @Corvinus

    This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Corvinus

    “If you are pro white then the destruction of America is a good thing.”

    You speak for yourself.

    “The US regime is the most hostile anti white regime of all time”

    More of a personal opinion on your part.

    “I am sorry for the chaotic period that many whites will suffer from but they need to think long term what is best.”

    What YOU think is best.

    “This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies.”

    So if the Alt Rights gets hold of the government, they will use nukes to liquidate the Radical Left/Jewish cabal? Or if the (gasp) Radical Left/Jewish cabal emerges on top, they will take out the Alt Right with Oppenheimer’s Toy?

    Are you offering this suggestion? Or are you saying something else?

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Corvinus

    How about you mention any other country that is as anti white as America? You can just mention a single one to prove me wrong, not even South Africa or Zimbabwe can match the near total demonization of white people from its government, media or other elite.

  96. @dfordoom
    @neutral


    This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies.
     
    And are you assuming that it would be your side that ended up with the nukes?

    Replies: @Talha, @neutral

    Chiang Kai-shek vs Mao…which horse comes in first? And who is Mao and Kai-shek in this hypothetical situation? 🤔

    Peace.

  97. @Dr. Doom
    Let the cities burn. They are not US after all.

    Let them burn down their nests and wait vainly for others to rebuild.

    Does Amerika have the monies anymore for this nonsense?

    At what point does rebuilding not make sense anymore?

    At what point does rounding up and expelling them make more sense?

    Trump is weak. A creature of The System.

    THE SYSTEM IS BURNING DOWN...

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    At what point does rebuilding not make sense anymore?

    1948, after Shelley vs. Kraemer.

  98. @jbwilson24
    Gonna be hard to find 'white' businesses.

    Most convenience stores, gas stations (etc) in those areas are owned by Asians or Middle Easterners.

    Actual whites aren't entrepreneurial anymore.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Actual whites aren’t entrepreneurial anymore.

    Actual whites don’t get subsidized loans to open retail outlets.

  99. @dfordoom
    @neutral


    If you are pro white then the destruction of America is a good thing. The US regime is the most hostile anti white regime of all time, the best thing that can happen is its end, I am sorry for the chaotic period that many whites will suffer from but they need to think long term what is best.
     
    If the regime were to collapse then that chaotic period will involve many millions of deaths. Including millions of white deaths. How exactly is that going to be good for whites?

    And there are absolutely no grounds for believing that the end result would be better for whites. It might well be much much worse. You're making the tragic mistake of simply assuming that your side would win. What if the bad guys win? They often do.

    The trouble with the long term is that it cannot be predicted. It can turn out to be much much nastier than expected.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @VinnyVette

    What if the bad guys win?

    They’re winning under the current rules of engagement.  Those rules must be changed.

  100. @dfordoom
    @neutral


    If you are pro white then the destruction of America is a good thing. The US regime is the most hostile anti white regime of all time, the best thing that can happen is its end, I am sorry for the chaotic period that many whites will suffer from but they need to think long term what is best.
     
    If the regime were to collapse then that chaotic period will involve many millions of deaths. Including millions of white deaths. How exactly is that going to be good for whites?

    And there are absolutely no grounds for believing that the end result would be better for whites. It might well be much much worse. You're making the tragic mistake of simply assuming that your side would win. What if the bad guys win? They often do.

    The trouble with the long term is that it cannot be predicted. It can turn out to be much much nastier than expected.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @VinnyVette

    How is that good for whites? because there would be millions of deaths of minorities, then maybe the non dead whites can have our country back.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @VinnyVette

    First, it's not the "non dead whites" country, it's our nation. Second, unless you going out to the front lines to stop the criminal element, i.e. the rioters NOT the protestors (big difference) and risk life and limb, you're simply blowing smoke like a typical Armchair Internet Warrior.

    Replies: @VinnyVette

    , @dfordoom
    @VinnyVette


    How is that good for whites? because there would be millions of deaths of minorities, then maybe the non dead whites can have our country back.
     
    I'm assuming you're a Fed? Because if you're not then you're seriously seriously crazy. Are you sure you're taking your medication regularly?

    Replies: @VinnyVette

  101. Hispanic gangs providing order is not a good sign.

  102. The System supported these rioters. A lot of them are Marxist Antifa.

    Now they are biting the hand that feeds them.

    All GOOD.

    When your enemies destroy each other, stay out of the way, and wait.

    This Anti-White System is burning down.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Dr. Doom

    Did anyone see this yet?

    https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267129644228247552

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hacienda

  103. @Dr. Doom
    The System supported these rioters. A lot of them are Marxist Antifa.

    Now they are biting the hand that feeds them.

    All GOOD.

    When your enemies destroy each other, stay out of the way, and wait.

    This Anti-White System is burning down.

    Replies: @Talha

    Did anyone see this yet?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    Well, it's a fascist organization; Antifa is practically the squadristi reincarnated.

    However, I'm not sure that's illegal. Is it illegal to advocate violence against those you disagree with?

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Hacienda
    @Talha

    That's not really necessary. If the police would do its normal job of protecting property and people, then they could contain these protests. When the police run and disappear, things get out of control. Did they not learn that lesson from the L.A. riots? Of course not. Or maybe they did, but they prefer the drama. American life is basically emotionless, solitary, exceedingly monotonous, plodding, and mechanical. Blacks know this best of all and exploit it like the champs they are. Antifa are white pretenders. No one cares about them. Go after them.

  104. @VinnyVette
    @dfordoom

    How is that good for whites? because there would be millions of deaths of minorities, then maybe the non dead whites can have our country back.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @dfordoom

    First, it’s not the “non dead whites” country, it’s our nation. Second, unless you going out to the front lines to stop the criminal element, i.e. the rioters NOT the protestors (big difference) and risk life and limb, you’re simply blowing smoke like a typical Armchair Internet Warrior.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @Corvinus

    You out there on the streets with your AK in hand? Or here flapping your jaws per usual? Yep!

  105. Donald tweet’s while Amerika burns.

    Lets see if he actually follows through on this.

    The Deep State may disagree with him.

    Antifa are their “Useful Idiots”.

  106. @Twinkie

    minority-owned businesses... They are targeting white businesses.
     
    Whose businesses burnt in large numbers during the L.A. Riots again?

    "Minority-owned businesses" may mean all non-white-owned businesses in legal terms, but that's not what it means among black-brown agitators. It means black- or brown-owned. Asian-owned stores are almost always targeted when blacks and browns riot (more blacks than browns, the latter usually being opportunistic looters rather than instigators, murderers, and arsonists).

    Also, that tweet is incorrect. Some black-owned buisnesses (perhaps unwittingly) were attacked in the recent disturbance, as also occurred in the L.A. Riots (most rioters are not some principled race-warriors - they are thugs looking to vent or opportunistically harm others).

    None of this is new. It's happened before, many many times, and is a recurring feature of American urban life - whenever a black person is killed by the police, justifiably or not, there is frequently black rioting, and whites and Asians are attacked.

    Replies: @t, @Hacienda, @Alden

    American riots are like bad weather. Some years there’s more and worse tornadoes, floods , heat waves , droughts, blizzards, early and late snow storms , earthquakes than usual.

    Some years there’s more riots than usual.

  107. “There’s a difference between reading books (selected exclusively by whites) and actually going out and living it. ”

    You need more history . . . I said nothing about learning the relations from books.

    That was first hand dynamics. Your comment makes the case that

    “suddenly”

    and that is entirely false. In fact, the strains between blacks and asians have a long tradition instead of baby sitting you through history from WWII through the Korean conflict and instructions by the US military regarding black units here’s clue and then tell me that Koreans learned what they believe by experience in LA.

    Your analysis is fairly shallow reealing that you jae no clue how long blacks and Koreans have been in contact or asians in general. Take a read of harpers circa 1868 -1875 how asians immigrants were pitted against black citizens

    Here’s a 1990 article

    https://newrepublic.com/article/90877/brooklyn-boycott-racism-1990

    You miss the forest for the trees. The idea that Koreans suddenly experienced tensions with blacks during the LA riots is ludicrous because koreans have been living and building businesses in the same communities since the 1950’s after the korean war.

    Reading books — Oy veh . . . koreans along with the Chines have been on the west coast since the CA. gold rush and the competition for economic resources has always been pitted against the black population whether in NYC or San Francisco or Los Angeles.

    Someone certainly needs to do more reading beyond the media spin machines and its not the koreans, the blacks or me.

    Good grief.

    The utter absence of any historical relevance ever boggles my mind.

    https://www.quora.com/Are-South-Koreans-racists-towards-black-people

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    @EliteCommInc.

    https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/harlins-latasha-1975-1991/

    ohh that was before 1992 los angeles.

    , @Hacienda
    @EliteCommInc.

    Yeah, was aware of other Korean communities, even Bensonhurst. But L.A. was the big spread, the main course by far. You know that.

    All quibbling aside and ad hominem from you, I don't see where you disagree with anything I wrote.

    , @nebulafox
    @EliteCommInc.

    Asians in Asia are casually racist toward each other all the time in a way that would drive SJWs bonkers. In some cases, it goes beyond that to actual, if abstract and fragile, mutual dislike. But they are also grown-up about it: they don't define ascribing to petty racial stereotypes as being the same level as being a child molester, they have the personal security to take a joke and dish one back out, and people don't let their personal biases get in the way of work relationships or even friendships with members of that ethnic group. It boils down to the assumption that you are an adult and know that life is probabilistic: ethnic stereotypes exist for a reason but (no duh) don't apply to every single member of every single group.

    I think that's very mature. If someone thinks I'm more likely to do X or more likely to fall into vice Y or am negative trait Z because of my skin color, I may not (or may) agree with them theoretically, but should that really define or prohibit any further relationship between us? Is it relevant? It's also counterproductive if you really are interested in changing someone's views. Interactions and friendship in real life do that, not arguing with someone on the Internet.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  108. @EliteCommInc.
    "There’s a difference between reading books (selected exclusively by whites) and actually going out and living it. "


    You need more history . . . I said nothing about learning the relations from books.


    That was first hand dynamics. Your comment makes the case that

    "suddenly"

    and that is entirely false. In fact, the strains between blacks and asians have a long tradition instead of baby sitting you through history from WWII through the Korean conflict and instructions by the US military regarding black units here's clue and then tell me that Koreans learned what they believe by experience in LA.

    Your analysis is fairly shallow reealing that you jae no clue how long blacks and Koreans have been in contact or asians in general. Take a read of harpers circa 1868 -1875 how asians immigrants were pitted against black citizens

    Here's a 1990 article

    https://newrepublic.com/article/90877/brooklyn-boycott-racism-1990

    You miss the forest for the trees. The idea that Koreans suddenly experienced tensions with blacks during the LA riots is ludicrous because koreans have been living and building businesses in the same communities since the 1950's after the korean war.


    Reading books -- Oy veh . . . koreans along with the Chines have been on the west coast since the CA. gold rush and the competition for economic resources has always been pitted against the black population whether in NYC or San Francisco or Los Angeles.


    Someone certainly needs to do more reading beyond the media spin machines and its not the koreans, the blacks or me.

    Good grief.

    The utter absence of any historical relevance ever boggles my mind.

    https://www.quora.com/Are-South-Koreans-racists-towards-black-people

    Replies: @EliteCommInc., @Hacienda, @nebulafox

  109. The tweets you cited were from Chicago, right? Maybe black owned businesses were spared there, but not in Minneapolis. I saw footage of a black guys who owned a sports bar (now burned out), crying. He’s got a Go Fund Me up. No, he wasn’t acting. It was real.

    The mob in Minneapolis was out of control. Too crazy to read some sign.

    I, too, am very pessimistic about the future of the country, but we have to be accurate about what has happened.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @t
    @Jane Plain

    AE's tweets are about Chicago Ave. in Minneapolis

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  110. @t
    @AceDeuce

    Have seen any videos from the riots? Most for major damage is being done by whites, blacks seem more interested in stealing stuff from the Target.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    Organized chaos and destruction by skinny/vegan whites clad in Jesuit black. Somewhat more intense family BBQ behavior and a bit of looting from the blacks.

  111. @Corvinus
    @Audacious Epigone

    "If it’s alarmist, fine. Better safe than sorry. The last thing we need as the economy collapses is for our country’s cold civil war to turn hot."

    IF the economy collapses. Trump will save the day, right? And, for an all-out Civil War Part Deux to take place, that requires scores of men from both sides to live on testestorone, take up arms, enter neighborhoods, and engage in small arms conflict or Pinochet helicopter madness, women and children be damned. But I wouldn't about it too much, as the fine posters here who claim they will pitch in are simply blowing off steam. They're harmless creatures. I mean, do you seriously see James Bowery going all Rambo on Jew bankers and their bad white (or is it good whites, I forget which one is properly used) allies?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @neutral, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Pinochet”

    You’re stuck in the 1970s. Welcome to 2020: the authoritarian threat comes from the left.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @SunBakedSuburb


    You’re stuck in the 1970s. Welcome to 2020: the authoritarian threat comes from the left.
     
    In 2020 the authoritarian threat comes from corporate interests seeking to advance their agendas without interference.
    , @Corvinus
    @SunBakedSuburb

    "Welcome to 2020: the authoritarian threat comes from the left."

    Try again.

    https://twitter.com/dfriedman33/status/1267936203522932738

  112. @Jane Plain
    The tweets you cited were from Chicago, right? Maybe black owned businesses were spared there, but not in Minneapolis. I saw footage of a black guys who owned a sports bar (now burned out), crying. He's got a Go Fund Me up. No, he wasn't acting. It was real.

    The mob in Minneapolis was out of control. Too crazy to read some sign.

    I, too, am very pessimistic about the future of the country, but we have to be accurate about what has happened.

    Replies: @t

    AE’s tweets are about Chicago Ave. in Minneapolis

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @t

    Thanks. In which case, this is a rare AE miss.

    Perhaps some black-owned businesses were spared but I don't think many were at least not in Minneapolis. Those mobs were hell bent on destruction.

    I did see a picture of black business owners defending their property with firearms. That was nice.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  113. @Talha
    This needs to get out also (these liberal/anarchist white antifa people need to get back into lock down):
    https://twitter.com/CarrieOh_77/status/1266704374925078529

    Peace.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “(these liberal/anarchist white antifa people need to get back into lock down)”

    These mostly young white people are not liberal. They need to be bloodied but not irreparably damaged. They need to be humbled. They need to be made to understand that political and religious extremism leads to the Abyss.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Talha
    @SunBakedSuburb


    They need to be humbled. They need to be made to understand that political and religious extremism leads to the Abyss.
     
    Agree. And obviously not all the violence and mayhem is because of these white liberal/anarchist types - but there is enough of this going on to show a pattern. Detroit news reported on it recently.

    I can't tell if these two girls are white or Latino, but they sure aren't black:
    https://twitter.com/gryking/status/1267101707596632066

    Also this:
    https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1266946808888078336

    Honestly, there are some very powerful voices coming out of the black community right now - they are having an internal debate:
    https://twitter.com/Woj_Pawelczyk/status/1267041483804348416

    “He angry at 46, I’m angry at 31 & you angry at 16...y'all come up with a better way, cause we ain't doin' it!"
    https://twitter.com/g0ldie_teee/status/1266929382708465665

    One of the black Muslim scholars I follow publicly stated:
    "For a week I call on non-blacks to say nothing more about George Floyd beyond the injustice done to him. Do not join black protests. If you do, do not come if you cannot follow wise black leadership. Wise black leaders are not those encouraging you to destroy, burn, and loot."

    These voices need to be amplified at this time.

    My daughter just told me a Latina friend of hers had to leave their house in Chicago because her father is a cop and they live in a neighborhood known to have a lot of cops in it and crowds are doing full on home invasions to target cops and their families.

    I pray we get through this soon. I hope the voices that egged people on and encouraged lawlessness lose all credibility when we come through the other side.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Jane Plain
    @SunBakedSuburb

    They need to be put down like the mad dogs they are.

    , @iffen
    @SunBakedSuburb

    They need to be made to understand that political and religious extremism leads to the Abyss.

    I think that you are reading this wrong. That's exactly where they want to go.

  114. I think I have worked it out- the Vietnamese, who we haven’t heard much from lately have organised all of this. Typical dominos effect theory put into action that the yanks would know only so well. But really when there are no jobs and too many people then somethings got to give.

  115. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Talha

    "(these liberal/anarchist white antifa people need to get back into lock down)"

    These mostly young white people are not liberal. They need to be bloodied but not irreparably damaged. They need to be humbled. They need to be made to understand that political and religious extremism leads to the Abyss.

    Replies: @Talha, @Jane Plain, @iffen

    They need to be humbled. They need to be made to understand that political and religious extremism leads to the Abyss.

    Agree. And obviously not all the violence and mayhem is because of these white liberal/anarchist types – but there is enough of this going on to show a pattern. Detroit news reported on it recently.

    I can’t tell if these two girls are white or Latino, but they sure aren’t black:

    Also this:

    Honestly, there are some very powerful voices coming out of the black community right now – they are having an internal debate:

    “He angry at 46, I’m angry at 31 & you angry at 16…y’all come up with a better way, cause we ain’t doin’ it!”

    One of the black Muslim scholars I follow publicly stated:
    “For a week I call on non-blacks to say nothing more about George Floyd beyond the injustice done to him. Do not join black protests. If you do, do not come if you cannot follow wise black leadership. Wise black leaders are not those encouraging you to destroy, burn, and loot.

    These voices need to be amplified at this time.

    My daughter just told me a Latina friend of hers had to leave their house in Chicago because her father is a cop and they live in a neighborhood known to have a lot of cops in it and crowds are doing full on home invasions to target cops and their families.

    I pray we get through this soon. I hope the voices that egged people on and encouraged lawlessness lose all credibility when we come through the other side.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    'Agree. And obviously not all the violence and mayhem is because of these white liberal/anarchist types – but there is enough of this going on to show a pattern. '

    Sure there's a pattern. Blacks have discovered they can loot at will -- and whites have cooked up a rationalization that allows them to join in.

    None of this can end anywhere good. But I think least bad begins with hanging a dozen or so examples per city from traffic signals in major intersections in affected areas.

    We sure as hell don't need any of those criminals -- and they obviously need to be disabused of some unfortunate notions concerning the morality of theft, vandalism, and assault.

    Replies: @Talha

  116. @EliteCommInc.
    "There’s a difference between reading books (selected exclusively by whites) and actually going out and living it. "


    You need more history . . . I said nothing about learning the relations from books.


    That was first hand dynamics. Your comment makes the case that

    "suddenly"

    and that is entirely false. In fact, the strains between blacks and asians have a long tradition instead of baby sitting you through history from WWII through the Korean conflict and instructions by the US military regarding black units here's clue and then tell me that Koreans learned what they believe by experience in LA.

    Your analysis is fairly shallow reealing that you jae no clue how long blacks and Koreans have been in contact or asians in general. Take a read of harpers circa 1868 -1875 how asians immigrants were pitted against black citizens

    Here's a 1990 article

    https://newrepublic.com/article/90877/brooklyn-boycott-racism-1990

    You miss the forest for the trees. The idea that Koreans suddenly experienced tensions with blacks during the LA riots is ludicrous because koreans have been living and building businesses in the same communities since the 1950's after the korean war.


    Reading books -- Oy veh . . . koreans along with the Chines have been on the west coast since the CA. gold rush and the competition for economic resources has always been pitted against the black population whether in NYC or San Francisco or Los Angeles.


    Someone certainly needs to do more reading beyond the media spin machines and its not the koreans, the blacks or me.

    Good grief.

    The utter absence of any historical relevance ever boggles my mind.

    https://www.quora.com/Are-South-Koreans-racists-towards-black-people

    Replies: @EliteCommInc., @Hacienda, @nebulafox

    Yeah, was aware of other Korean communities, even Bensonhurst. But L.A. was the big spread, the main course by far. You know that.

    All quibbling aside and ad hominem from you, I don’t see where you disagree with anything I wrote.

  117. @EliteCommInc.
    "There’s a difference between reading books (selected exclusively by whites) and actually going out and living it. "


    You need more history . . . I said nothing about learning the relations from books.


    That was first hand dynamics. Your comment makes the case that

    "suddenly"

    and that is entirely false. In fact, the strains between blacks and asians have a long tradition instead of baby sitting you through history from WWII through the Korean conflict and instructions by the US military regarding black units here's clue and then tell me that Koreans learned what they believe by experience in LA.

    Your analysis is fairly shallow reealing that you jae no clue how long blacks and Koreans have been in contact or asians in general. Take a read of harpers circa 1868 -1875 how asians immigrants were pitted against black citizens

    Here's a 1990 article

    https://newrepublic.com/article/90877/brooklyn-boycott-racism-1990

    You miss the forest for the trees. The idea that Koreans suddenly experienced tensions with blacks during the LA riots is ludicrous because koreans have been living and building businesses in the same communities since the 1950's after the korean war.


    Reading books -- Oy veh . . . koreans along with the Chines have been on the west coast since the CA. gold rush and the competition for economic resources has always been pitted against the black population whether in NYC or San Francisco or Los Angeles.


    Someone certainly needs to do more reading beyond the media spin machines and its not the koreans, the blacks or me.

    Good grief.

    The utter absence of any historical relevance ever boggles my mind.

    https://www.quora.com/Are-South-Koreans-racists-towards-black-people

    Replies: @EliteCommInc., @Hacienda, @nebulafox

    Asians in Asia are casually racist toward each other all the time in a way that would drive SJWs bonkers. In some cases, it goes beyond that to actual, if abstract and fragile, mutual dislike. But they are also grown-up about it: they don’t define ascribing to petty racial stereotypes as being the same level as being a child molester, they have the personal security to take a joke and dish one back out, and people don’t let their personal biases get in the way of work relationships or even friendships with members of that ethnic group. It boils down to the assumption that you are an adult and know that life is probabilistic: ethnic stereotypes exist for a reason but (no duh) don’t apply to every single member of every single group.

    I think that’s very mature. If someone thinks I’m more likely to do X or more likely to fall into vice Y or am negative trait Z because of my skin color, I may not (or may) agree with them theoretically, but should that really define or prohibit any further relationship between us? Is it relevant? It’s also counterproductive if you really are interested in changing someone’s views. Interactions and friendship in real life do that, not arguing with someone on the Internet.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @nebulafox

    Wanted say thanks, as I’m out of tags.

  118. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    "But we’re harmless. In what way could this be creepy?"

    It's already been established the Internet Armchair warriors here are harmless; otherwise, they would have made their way to an urban area, took care of the "vibrants" and Antifa, and then reported their exploits here. And it is patently creepy for a stranger to ask another stranger on a blog for their name and address.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘“But we’re harmless. In what way could this be creepy?”

    It’s already been established the Internet Armchair warriors here are harmless; otherwise, they would have made their way to an urban area, took care of the “vibrants” and Antifa, and then reported their exploits here. And it is patently creepy for a stranger to ask another stranger on a blog for their name and address.’

    But if you’re sure we’re harmless, in what possible way can our interest be creepy?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    "But if you’re sure we’re harmless, in what possible way can our interest be creepy?"

    Because it's something that is other than normal--a stranger asking a stranger on a blog for their name and address.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  119. @Talha
    @Dr. Doom

    Did anyone see this yet?

    https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267129644228247552

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hacienda

    Well, it’s a fascist organization; Antifa is practically the squadristi reincarnated.

    However, I’m not sure that’s illegal. Is it illegal to advocate violence against those you disagree with?

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Colin Wright

    If Antifa is officially declared a terrorist organization, then that is quite a scary thing. I don't like them one bit, but are they really considered to be on par with Daesh or Al-Qaeda?! And how do you determine who is a member? By someone at a protest wearing a mask? But the government is mandating everyone wear a mask in public - so can they shoot at will?!

    If they can declare Antifa a terrorist organization based on violent protests, then any group that commits violent or property-damaging protests subsequently (and notice, they can have provocateurs initiate things) can likewise be fast-tracked as terrorists.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @dfordoom

  120. @Talha
    @SunBakedSuburb


    They need to be humbled. They need to be made to understand that political and religious extremism leads to the Abyss.
     
    Agree. And obviously not all the violence and mayhem is because of these white liberal/anarchist types - but there is enough of this going on to show a pattern. Detroit news reported on it recently.

    I can't tell if these two girls are white or Latino, but they sure aren't black:
    https://twitter.com/gryking/status/1267101707596632066

    Also this:
    https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1266946808888078336

    Honestly, there are some very powerful voices coming out of the black community right now - they are having an internal debate:
    https://twitter.com/Woj_Pawelczyk/status/1267041483804348416

    “He angry at 46, I’m angry at 31 & you angry at 16...y'all come up with a better way, cause we ain't doin' it!"
    https://twitter.com/g0ldie_teee/status/1266929382708465665

    One of the black Muslim scholars I follow publicly stated:
    "For a week I call on non-blacks to say nothing more about George Floyd beyond the injustice done to him. Do not join black protests. If you do, do not come if you cannot follow wise black leadership. Wise black leaders are not those encouraging you to destroy, burn, and loot."

    These voices need to be amplified at this time.

    My daughter just told me a Latina friend of hers had to leave their house in Chicago because her father is a cop and they live in a neighborhood known to have a lot of cops in it and crowds are doing full on home invasions to target cops and their families.

    I pray we get through this soon. I hope the voices that egged people on and encouraged lawlessness lose all credibility when we come through the other side.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Agree. And obviously not all the violence and mayhem is because of these white liberal/anarchist types – but there is enough of this going on to show a pattern. ‘

    Sure there’s a pattern. Blacks have discovered they can loot at will — and whites have cooked up a rationalization that allows them to join in.

    None of this can end anywhere good. But I think least bad begins with hanging a dozen or so examples per city from traffic signals in major intersections in affected areas.

    We sure as hell don’t need any of those criminals — and they obviously need to be disabused of some unfortunate notions concerning the morality of theft, vandalism, and assault.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Talha
    @Colin Wright

    Armed citizens taking out a few of these guys while defending their property may well do it. I saw videos of some Somalis ganging up on and chasing off looters from their businesses. That post above where Latin Kings are providing protection in their territory is what some neighborhoods may have to resort to.

    We need to make sure the law allows citizens to protect their homes and business with weapons and not prosecute them for doing so.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  121. @Talha
    @Dr. Doom

    Did anyone see this yet?

    https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267129644228247552

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hacienda

    That’s not really necessary. If the police would do its normal job of protecting property and people, then they could contain these protests. When the police run and disappear, things get out of control. Did they not learn that lesson from the L.A. riots? Of course not. Or maybe they did, but they prefer the drama. American life is basically emotionless, solitary, exceedingly monotonous, plodding, and mechanical. Blacks know this best of all and exploit it like the champs they are. Antifa are white pretenders. No one cares about them. Go after them.

  122. @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    Well, it's a fascist organization; Antifa is practically the squadristi reincarnated.

    However, I'm not sure that's illegal. Is it illegal to advocate violence against those you disagree with?

    Replies: @Talha

    If Antifa is officially declared a terrorist organization, then that is quite a scary thing. I don’t like them one bit, but are they really considered to be on par with Daesh or Al-Qaeda?! And how do you determine who is a member? By someone at a protest wearing a mask? But the government is mandating everyone wear a mask in public – so can they shoot at will?!

    If they can declare Antifa a terrorist organization based on violent protests, then any group that commits violent or property-damaging protests subsequently (and notice, they can have provocateurs initiate things) can likewise be fast-tracked as terrorists.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    'If Antifa is officially declared a terrorist organization, then that is quite a scary thing...'

    This is all a scary thing.

    It's the lunacy ice cream counter. Pick any flavor you like -- but you gotta pick a flavor.

    Wait'll they work out there's no way that cop can be convicted of murder. Then we repeat it all, I suppose.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @dfordoom
    @Talha


    If they can declare Antifa a terrorist organization based on violent protests, then any group that commits violent or property-damaging protests subsequently (and notice, they can have provocateurs initiate things) can likewise be fast-tracked as terrorists.
     
    And it's an absolute certainty that every vaguely dissident political movement, including the alt-right, contains a proportion of FBI agents provocateurs. It would be childishly easy to use such agents provocateurs to manufacture a justification for outlawing the alt-right as a terrorist movement.

    As usual right-wingers are incapable of thinking more than thirty seconds ahead. Once the precedent is established that a president can declare a political movement he dislikes as a terrorist organisation that precedent can and will be used against the far right. Every single group that can be smeared as white supremacist will then be declared to be a terrorist organisation.

    This is why I consider the alt-right to be fundamentally unserious. They're simply incapable of understanding consequences. The lack of political acumen on the far right is breathtaking.

    Trump is talking about this as a political stunt to get re-elected. The long-term political consequences just don't bear thinking about. But Trump doesn't care. He just wants to be re-elected. He's either the dumbest president in history, or the most cynical.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @iffen, @VinnyVette

  123. @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    'Agree. And obviously not all the violence and mayhem is because of these white liberal/anarchist types – but there is enough of this going on to show a pattern. '

    Sure there's a pattern. Blacks have discovered they can loot at will -- and whites have cooked up a rationalization that allows them to join in.

    None of this can end anywhere good. But I think least bad begins with hanging a dozen or so examples per city from traffic signals in major intersections in affected areas.

    We sure as hell don't need any of those criminals -- and they obviously need to be disabused of some unfortunate notions concerning the morality of theft, vandalism, and assault.

    Replies: @Talha

    Armed citizens taking out a few of these guys while defending their property may well do it. I saw videos of some Somalis ganging up on and chasing off looters from their businesses. That post above where Latin Kings are providing protection in their territory is what some neighborhoods may have to resort to.

    We need to make sure the law allows citizens to protect their homes and business with weapons and not prosecute them for doing so.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    '... We need to make sure the law allows citizens to protect their homes and business with weapons and not prosecute them for doing so...'

    But we just decided citizens couldn't do that. Remember the black jogger?

    Replies: @Talha

  124. @nebulafox
    @EliteCommInc.

    Asians in Asia are casually racist toward each other all the time in a way that would drive SJWs bonkers. In some cases, it goes beyond that to actual, if abstract and fragile, mutual dislike. But they are also grown-up about it: they don't define ascribing to petty racial stereotypes as being the same level as being a child molester, they have the personal security to take a joke and dish one back out, and people don't let their personal biases get in the way of work relationships or even friendships with members of that ethnic group. It boils down to the assumption that you are an adult and know that life is probabilistic: ethnic stereotypes exist for a reason but (no duh) don't apply to every single member of every single group.

    I think that's very mature. If someone thinks I'm more likely to do X or more likely to fall into vice Y or am negative trait Z because of my skin color, I may not (or may) agree with them theoretically, but should that really define or prohibit any further relationship between us? Is it relevant? It's also counterproductive if you really are interested in changing someone's views. Interactions and friendship in real life do that, not arguing with someone on the Internet.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Wanted say thanks, as I’m out of tags.

  125. @Talha
    @Colin Wright

    If Antifa is officially declared a terrorist organization, then that is quite a scary thing. I don't like them one bit, but are they really considered to be on par with Daesh or Al-Qaeda?! And how do you determine who is a member? By someone at a protest wearing a mask? But the government is mandating everyone wear a mask in public - so can they shoot at will?!

    If they can declare Antifa a terrorist organization based on violent protests, then any group that commits violent or property-damaging protests subsequently (and notice, they can have provocateurs initiate things) can likewise be fast-tracked as terrorists.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @dfordoom

    ‘If Antifa is officially declared a terrorist organization, then that is quite a scary thing…’

    This is all a scary thing.

    It’s the lunacy ice cream counter. Pick any flavor you like — but you gotta pick a flavor.

    Wait’ll they work out there’s no way that cop can be convicted of murder. Then we repeat it all, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Colin Wright


    This is all a scary thing.
     
    We live close enough to Chicago that, if this starts spilling into the suburbs, I'm going to try to talk to a couple of the younger guys in my neighborhood this week to see if we can come up with an alert system and a plan to figure out how to keep people out or at least let them know that they'll have a harder time and to go pick on someone else:
    https://twitter.com/DigitalForests/status/1267277113524133888

    Peace.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  126. @Talha
    @Colin Wright

    Armed citizens taking out a few of these guys while defending their property may well do it. I saw videos of some Somalis ganging up on and chasing off looters from their businesses. That post above where Latin Kings are providing protection in their territory is what some neighborhoods may have to resort to.

    We need to make sure the law allows citizens to protect their homes and business with weapons and not prosecute them for doing so.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘… We need to make sure the law allows citizens to protect their homes and business with weapons and not prosecute them for doing so…’

    But we just decided citizens couldn’t do that. Remember the black jogger?

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Colin Wright


    Remember the black jogger?
     
    Nah - they were chasing that guy down the road from looking at some empty house that wasn't their property.

    That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a crowd of guys coming on your property and trying to get in your place or business and you put a large gaping hole in a couple of the front men to disperse the rest. Nothing ambiguous; straight up protecting your life or property.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @anon

  127. @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    '... We need to make sure the law allows citizens to protect their homes and business with weapons and not prosecute them for doing so...'

    But we just decided citizens couldn't do that. Remember the black jogger?

    Replies: @Talha

    Remember the black jogger?

    Nah – they were chasing that guy down the road from looking at some empty house that wasn’t their property.

    That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a crowd of guys coming on your property and trying to get in your place or business and you put a large gaping hole in a couple of the front men to disperse the rest. Nothing ambiguous; straight up protecting your life or property.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    'Nah – they were chasing that guy down the road from looking at some empty house that wasn’t their property.'

    Please. He was on the property, he'd been there repeatedly, and stuff had been getting stolen there and elsewhere.

    They stopped him, and he decided it was a good idea to try to grab one of their guns.

    You tell me. What exactly was supposed to happen?

    'Oh no. The black thief is angry. He's trying to grab my gun. Maybe I should let him wrestle away my gun snd see what happens?'

    Or perhaps your idea is that thief should have been allowed to continue his visits unmolested.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @anon
    @Talha

    That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a crowd of guys coming on your property and trying to get in your place or business and you put a large gaping hole in a couple of the front men to disperse the rest. Nothing ambiguous; straight up protecting your life or property.

    You mean like this guy?

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/pawn-shop-owner-arrested-after-shooting-suspected-looter/

    There is some reality. We'll see how it pans out, but he's probably on the hook for $20,000 or more in legal fees just for a start, if the Minnie DA decides to prosecute. That's just to get into court. Then it gets expensive.

    In the mean time he and his family will receive death threats from "peaceful" demonstrators daily. His home may be vandalized or attacked, and the police may be to busy to help quickly. Any children he as may also be threatened and physically attacked. His business is shut down and may remain so, especially if politicians such as the mayor bring pressure on licensing bureaus - pawn shops cannot operate without a license. Any employees may be targets. Antifa loves to dox people.

    Tahla, it's not a game. I strongly suggest you learn the laws of your city / state. Some states allow lethal force in defense of some property, others do not. "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse" is standard US legal tradition.

    This leaves completely aside the reality that the law in parts of the US is not enforced with an even hand. Any white man who is in fear of grave bodily harm or death from a black person right now needs to be prepared for bankruptcy at the very least, because legal defense isn't cheap, especially when the local DA wants to score political points. If the DA wants to "make an example" it could get ugly, most people over 40 are not really prepared psychologically for prison.

    Sorry to bring bad news. Self defense issues are not like on TV or in the movies or in gunzines.

    I saw another comment. Suffice to say I intensely dislike having some religious leader attempting to kill the 1st Amendment, to order people "silence, peasant!". My ancestors came to this continent centuries ago in part to get away from that kind of stuff.

  128. @Talha
    @Colin Wright


    Remember the black jogger?
     
    Nah - they were chasing that guy down the road from looking at some empty house that wasn't their property.

    That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a crowd of guys coming on your property and trying to get in your place or business and you put a large gaping hole in a couple of the front men to disperse the rest. Nothing ambiguous; straight up protecting your life or property.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @anon

    ‘Nah – they were chasing that guy down the road from looking at some empty house that wasn’t their property.’

    Please. He was on the property, he’d been there repeatedly, and stuff had been getting stolen there and elsewhere.

    They stopped him, and he decided it was a good idea to try to grab one of their guns.

    You tell me. What exactly was supposed to happen?

    ‘Oh no. The black thief is angry. He’s trying to grab my gun. Maybe I should let him wrestle away my gun snd see what happens?’

    Or perhaps your idea is that thief should have been allowed to continue his visits unmolested.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Colin Wright

    Bro, he was running away from the property and they stopped him on a public road.


    They stopped him
     
    Yeah - why? Let the cops handle it.

    and he decided it was a good idea to try to grab one of their guns.
     
    Admittedly a stupid move.

    Or perhaps your idea is that thief should have been allowed to continue his visits unmolested.
     
    No, that's why you call the cops and give them a description and let them handle it; which is what I'd do if I saw some suspicious guy on my neighbor's property. And to my knowledge he had no incriminating evidence on him - it was all due to suspicion (which may or may not be well-founded - which is why we let the legal authorities handle the situation and don't go Rambo).

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  129. anon[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    @Colin Wright


    Remember the black jogger?
     
    Nah - they were chasing that guy down the road from looking at some empty house that wasn't their property.

    That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a crowd of guys coming on your property and trying to get in your place or business and you put a large gaping hole in a couple of the front men to disperse the rest. Nothing ambiguous; straight up protecting your life or property.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @anon

    That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a crowd of guys coming on your property and trying to get in your place or business and you put a large gaping hole in a couple of the front men to disperse the rest. Nothing ambiguous; straight up protecting your life or property.

    You mean like this guy?

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/pawn-shop-owner-arrested-after-shooting-suspected-looter/

    There is some reality. We’ll see how it pans out, but he’s probably on the hook for $20,000 or more in legal fees just for a start, if the Minnie DA decides to prosecute. That’s just to get into court. Then it gets expensive.

    In the mean time he and his family will receive death threats from “peaceful” demonstrators daily. His home may be vandalized or attacked, and the police may be to busy to help quickly. Any children he as may also be threatened and physically attacked. His business is shut down and may remain so, especially if politicians such as the mayor bring pressure on licensing bureaus – pawn shops cannot operate without a license. Any employees may be targets. Antifa loves to dox people.

    Tahla, it’s not a game. I strongly suggest you learn the laws of your city / state. Some states allow lethal force in defense of some property, others do not. “Ignorance of the law is not an excuse” is standard US legal tradition.

    This leaves completely aside the reality that the law in parts of the US is not enforced with an even hand. Any white man who is in fear of grave bodily harm or death from a black person right now needs to be prepared for bankruptcy at the very least, because legal defense isn’t cheap, especially when the local DA wants to score political points. If the DA wants to “make an example” it could get ugly, most people over 40 are not really prepared psychologically for prison.

    Sorry to bring bad news. Self defense issues are not like on TV or in the movies or in gunzines.

    I saw another comment. Suffice to say I intensely dislike having some religious leader attempting to kill the 1st Amendment, to order people “silence, peasant!”. My ancestors came to this continent centuries ago in part to get away from that kind of stuff.

  130. @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    'Nah – they were chasing that guy down the road from looking at some empty house that wasn’t their property.'

    Please. He was on the property, he'd been there repeatedly, and stuff had been getting stolen there and elsewhere.

    They stopped him, and he decided it was a good idea to try to grab one of their guns.

    You tell me. What exactly was supposed to happen?

    'Oh no. The black thief is angry. He's trying to grab my gun. Maybe I should let him wrestle away my gun snd see what happens?'

    Or perhaps your idea is that thief should have been allowed to continue his visits unmolested.

    Replies: @Talha

    Bro, he was running away from the property and they stopped him on a public road.

    They stopped him

    Yeah – why? Let the cops handle it.

    and he decided it was a good idea to try to grab one of their guns.

    Admittedly a stupid move.

    Or perhaps your idea is that thief should have been allowed to continue his visits unmolested.

    No, that’s why you call the cops and give them a description and let them handle it; which is what I’d do if I saw some suspicious guy on my neighbor’s property. And to my knowledge he had no incriminating evidence on him – it was all due to suspicion (which may or may not be well-founded – which is why we let the legal authorities handle the situation and don’t go Rambo).

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    '... which is why we let the legal authorities handle the situation and don’t go Rambo).'

    ...unless of course you're a group of Somali business owners or 'the Latin Kings.'

    Replies: @Talha

  131. @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    'If Antifa is officially declared a terrorist organization, then that is quite a scary thing...'

    This is all a scary thing.

    It's the lunacy ice cream counter. Pick any flavor you like -- but you gotta pick a flavor.

    Wait'll they work out there's no way that cop can be convicted of murder. Then we repeat it all, I suppose.

    Replies: @Talha

    This is all a scary thing.

    We live close enough to Chicago that, if this starts spilling into the suburbs, I’m going to try to talk to a couple of the younger guys in my neighborhood this week to see if we can come up with an alert system and a plan to figure out how to keep people out or at least let them know that they’ll have a harder time and to go pick on someone else:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Talha

    “All these while people with guns...”

    At least three of them in the video are East Asian (Bellevue is around 60% white and 30% Asian).

    And good for all of them.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  132. @Talha
    @Colin Wright

    Bro, he was running away from the property and they stopped him on a public road.


    They stopped him
     
    Yeah - why? Let the cops handle it.

    and he decided it was a good idea to try to grab one of their guns.
     
    Admittedly a stupid move.

    Or perhaps your idea is that thief should have been allowed to continue his visits unmolested.
     
    No, that's why you call the cops and give them a description and let them handle it; which is what I'd do if I saw some suspicious guy on my neighbor's property. And to my knowledge he had no incriminating evidence on him - it was all due to suspicion (which may or may not be well-founded - which is why we let the legal authorities handle the situation and don't go Rambo).

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘… which is why we let the legal authorities handle the situation and don’t go Rambo).’

    …unless of course you’re a group of Somali business owners or ‘the Latin Kings.’

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Colin Wright

    Or the white neighbors in that suburb in Seattle.

    As far as I’m concerned, there is a difference between the following situations:
    1. Ganging up on and chasing down a suspected thief that may or may not have stolen some property belonging to someone and was not a threat to you or your property until you made it your business to confront him
    2. Ganging up on and chasing away an obviously potential thief that was going to harm you or your property without any initiative on your part

    And I think the law should distinguish clearly between the valid/invalid use of force in those two situations.

    Trust me, I’m not one to go easy on thieves; as far as I’m concerned, if the crime fits the necessary criteria, go ahead and chop off their right hand. But I am a stickler for due process to prove the crime out transparently in a court of law.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  133. @Dumbo
    The large presence of Antifa seems to indicate that these riots have been at least partly planned, and allowed by the mayor. Antifa are basically government/oligarchy tools.

    Blacks don't hate whites as much as they hate the police. They just can't understand that if someone is a criminal, he may be killed or arrested, sometimes unlawfully.

    The fact that there are large groups of whites protesting is actually worse than mere black racial riots. It means that not even whites are getting along anymore and are infighting. Society is unraveling, there is anger everywhere.

    Imagine if you had a small business going bust because of the lockdown, then just as you are allowed to finally reopen, comes a mob and loots it and burns it down. Well this is what "they" want. Chaos and murder.

    Things are going to be pretty rocky, at least until November. It's going to be a long year.

    Replies: @Stargazer, @Realist, @MBlanc46, @Nodwink

    White Capital never wanted to get along with White (or Black/Brown/Yellow) Labour. White elites deserve everything they get.

  134. @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    '... which is why we let the legal authorities handle the situation and don’t go Rambo).'

    ...unless of course you're a group of Somali business owners or 'the Latin Kings.'

    Replies: @Talha

    Or the white neighbors in that suburb in Seattle.

    As far as I’m concerned, there is a difference between the following situations:
    1. Ganging up on and chasing down a suspected thief that may or may not have stolen some property belonging to someone and was not a threat to you or your property until you made it your business to confront him
    2. Ganging up on and chasing away an obviously potential thief that was going to harm you or your property without any initiative on your part

    And I think the law should distinguish clearly between the valid/invalid use of force in those two situations.

    Trust me, I’m not one to go easy on thieves; as far as I’m concerned, if the crime fits the necessary criteria, go ahead and chop off their right hand. But I am a stickler for due process to prove the crime out transparently in a court of law.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Talha

    '2. Ganging up on and chasing away an obviously potential thief that was going to harm you or your property without any initiative on your part'

    I think it's a very bad idea to let blacks -- or anyone -- who have been identified trespassing right where repeated acts of theft have taken place wander through one's neighborhood unchallenged.

    In point of fact, dudes did just that: they confronted him and said they had 'some questions for him.'

    So they should. Fortunately, when he made the rather remarkable response of trying to grab the gun, they were able to retain control of it and shoot him.

    The only thing that happened here that was distinctly wrong was black jogger decided to grab a loaded gun -- and the result of that was about what one could reasonably expect.

    Someone could try the same around here and Ian would definitely confront him with a gun. He's done just that in the past. I might as well. Trying to grab the gun would probably play out about the same too.

  135. We need more of this. Law abiding citizens of the community and policemen who want to serve that community should collaborate, even if the former is there to protest the actions of the latter elsewhere.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Truth
    @nebulafox

    The problem is, he is probably a police officer, spook, or some sort of federal agent.

    "Joe, ya dunce, the Chief told ya to make it subtle. .."

  136. @Talha
    @Colin Wright

    Or the white neighbors in that suburb in Seattle.

    As far as I’m concerned, there is a difference between the following situations:
    1. Ganging up on and chasing down a suspected thief that may or may not have stolen some property belonging to someone and was not a threat to you or your property until you made it your business to confront him
    2. Ganging up on and chasing away an obviously potential thief that was going to harm you or your property without any initiative on your part

    And I think the law should distinguish clearly between the valid/invalid use of force in those two situations.

    Trust me, I’m not one to go easy on thieves; as far as I’m concerned, if the crime fits the necessary criteria, go ahead and chop off their right hand. But I am a stickler for due process to prove the crime out transparently in a court of law.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘2. Ganging up on and chasing away an obviously potential thief that was going to harm you or your property without any initiative on your part’

    I think it’s a very bad idea to let blacks — or anyone — who have been identified trespassing right where repeated acts of theft have taken place wander through one’s neighborhood unchallenged.

    In point of fact, dudes did just that: they confronted him and said they had ‘some questions for him.’

    So they should. Fortunately, when he made the rather remarkable response of trying to grab the gun, they were able to retain control of it and shoot him.

    The only thing that happened here that was distinctly wrong was black jogger decided to grab a loaded gun — and the result of that was about what one could reasonably expect.

    Someone could try the same around here and Ian would definitely confront him with a gun. He’s done just that in the past. I might as well. Trying to grab the gun would probably play out about the same too.

  137. @Talha
    @Colin Wright


    This is all a scary thing.
     
    We live close enough to Chicago that, if this starts spilling into the suburbs, I'm going to try to talk to a couple of the younger guys in my neighborhood this week to see if we can come up with an alert system and a plan to figure out how to keep people out or at least let them know that they'll have a harder time and to go pick on someone else:
    https://twitter.com/DigitalForests/status/1267277113524133888

    Peace.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    “All these while people with guns…”

    At least three of them in the video are East Asian (Bellevue is around 60% white and 30% Asian).

    And good for all of them.

    • Thanks: Talha
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Twinkie

    Sorry, I meant “white,” not “while.” I broke a finger while training last week. I’ll be making lots of typing errors for a while.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  138. @Twinkie
    @Talha

    “All these while people with guns...”

    At least three of them in the video are East Asian (Bellevue is around 60% white and 30% Asian).

    And good for all of them.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Sorry, I meant “white,” not “while.” I broke a finger while training last week. I’ll be making lots of typing errors for a while.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    So, unrelated to the thread at hand, and a dumb, overly broad question, but I'm not going to get the chance to ask you this again: what are the trade-offs and merits of judo vs BJJ? I only have the time and resources for one.

    I'm doing the research on my own, but I thought I'd get your take on it...

    Replies: @Truth, @Twinkie

  139. @VinnyVette
    @dfordoom

    How is that good for whites? because there would be millions of deaths of minorities, then maybe the non dead whites can have our country back.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @dfordoom

    How is that good for whites? because there would be millions of deaths of minorities, then maybe the non dead whites can have our country back.

    I’m assuming you’re a Fed? Because if you’re not then you’re seriously seriously crazy. Are you sure you’re taking your medication regularly?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @dfordoom

    Have you had your testosterone shot pussy? Appearantly you don't have kids you want to leave a decent future. Freedom isn't free, not willing to fight or die... You don't deserve it. It's ok the "men" will fight for you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  140. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Corvinus

    "Pinochet"

    You're stuck in the 1970s. Welcome to 2020: the authoritarian threat comes from the left.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Corvinus

    You’re stuck in the 1970s. Welcome to 2020: the authoritarian threat comes from the left.

    In 2020 the authoritarian threat comes from corporate interests seeking to advance their agendas without interference.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  141. @Talha
    @Colin Wright

    If Antifa is officially declared a terrorist organization, then that is quite a scary thing. I don't like them one bit, but are they really considered to be on par with Daesh or Al-Qaeda?! And how do you determine who is a member? By someone at a protest wearing a mask? But the government is mandating everyone wear a mask in public - so can they shoot at will?!

    If they can declare Antifa a terrorist organization based on violent protests, then any group that commits violent or property-damaging protests subsequently (and notice, they can have provocateurs initiate things) can likewise be fast-tracked as terrorists.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @dfordoom

    If they can declare Antifa a terrorist organization based on violent protests, then any group that commits violent or property-damaging protests subsequently (and notice, they can have provocateurs initiate things) can likewise be fast-tracked as terrorists.

    And it’s an absolute certainty that every vaguely dissident political movement, including the alt-right, contains a proportion of FBI agents provocateurs. It would be childishly easy to use such agents provocateurs to manufacture a justification for outlawing the alt-right as a terrorist movement.

    As usual right-wingers are incapable of thinking more than thirty seconds ahead. Once the precedent is established that a president can declare a political movement he dislikes as a terrorist organisation that precedent can and will be used against the far right. Every single group that can be smeared as white supremacist will then be declared to be a terrorist organisation.

    This is why I consider the alt-right to be fundamentally unserious. They’re simply incapable of understanding consequences. The lack of political acumen on the far right is breathtaking.

    Trump is talking about this as a political stunt to get re-elected. The long-term political consequences just don’t bear thinking about. But Trump doesn’t care. He just wants to be re-elected. He’s either the dumbest president in history, or the most cynical.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @dfordoom

    The most cynical.

    I can't believe my eyes. The commenters here are all falling for Trump's Antifa bullshit.

    Yeah, sure, Antifa cells exist, they are violent, and they love destruction - but these riots weren't caused by them. Most of the looters have been average black street thugs, or maybe not even thugs, just guys who want free shit.

    Most of the whites are crazy to the max radical leftists. But the idea of an organized terror movement? That's just Trump deflecting from his own inability and unwillingness to control these mobs.

    He loves chaos. Until now it's been good to him. Now it's biting his fat ass.

    , @iffen
    @dfordoom

    to manufacture a justification for outlawing the alt-right as a terrorist movement.

    Since you consider the alt-right as more than useless, damaging, in fact, what is the downside to this?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @VinnyVette
    @dfordoom

    If you voted for Trump you ARE alternative right. If you call yourself politically "right" or conservative and didn't you're a cuck!

  142. @Twinkie
    @Twinkie

    Sorry, I meant “white,” not “while.” I broke a finger while training last week. I’ll be making lots of typing errors for a while.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    So, unrelated to the thread at hand, and a dumb, overly broad question, but I’m not going to get the chance to ask you this again: what are the trade-offs and merits of judo vs BJJ? I only have the time and resources for one.

    I’m doing the research on my own, but I thought I’d get your take on it…

    • Replies: @Truth
    @nebulafox

    If you're over 160 lbs. Spend 6 months learning to box first. If you are in a situation where you feel comfortable rolling around on the ground with someone for 5 minutes, you are probably in a situation you could, and should, have avoided.

    , @Twinkie
    @nebulafox

    Sure thing. Would you mind sharing with me what your goals are, your fitness level, amount of time you are able to commit, your pain/roughness tolerance level, etc.?

    Replies: @nebulafox

  143. @t
    @Jane Plain

    AE's tweets are about Chicago Ave. in Minneapolis

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    Thanks. In which case, this is a rare AE miss.

    Perhaps some black-owned businesses were spared but I don’t think many were at least not in Minneapolis. Those mobs were hell bent on destruction.

    I did see a picture of black business owners defending their property with firearms. That was nice.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Jane Plain

    The sign isn't a foolproof amulet. The more interesting question is whether or not it is broadly perceived to legitimately only target white-owned businesses.

  144. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    If they can declare Antifa a terrorist organization based on violent protests, then any group that commits violent or property-damaging protests subsequently (and notice, they can have provocateurs initiate things) can likewise be fast-tracked as terrorists.
     
    And it's an absolute certainty that every vaguely dissident political movement, including the alt-right, contains a proportion of FBI agents provocateurs. It would be childishly easy to use such agents provocateurs to manufacture a justification for outlawing the alt-right as a terrorist movement.

    As usual right-wingers are incapable of thinking more than thirty seconds ahead. Once the precedent is established that a president can declare a political movement he dislikes as a terrorist organisation that precedent can and will be used against the far right. Every single group that can be smeared as white supremacist will then be declared to be a terrorist organisation.

    This is why I consider the alt-right to be fundamentally unserious. They're simply incapable of understanding consequences. The lack of political acumen on the far right is breathtaking.

    Trump is talking about this as a political stunt to get re-elected. The long-term political consequences just don't bear thinking about. But Trump doesn't care. He just wants to be re-elected. He's either the dumbest president in history, or the most cynical.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @iffen, @VinnyVette

    The most cynical.

    I can’t believe my eyes. The commenters here are all falling for Trump’s Antifa bullshit.

    Yeah, sure, Antifa cells exist, they are violent, and they love destruction – but these riots weren’t caused by them. Most of the looters have been average black street thugs, or maybe not even thugs, just guys who want free shit.

    Most of the whites are crazy to the max radical leftists. But the idea of an organized terror movement? That’s just Trump deflecting from his own inability and unwillingness to control these mobs.

    He loves chaos. Until now it’s been good to him. Now it’s biting his fat ass.

  145. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Talha

    "(these liberal/anarchist white antifa people need to get back into lock down)"

    These mostly young white people are not liberal. They need to be bloodied but not irreparably damaged. They need to be humbled. They need to be made to understand that political and religious extremism leads to the Abyss.

    Replies: @Talha, @Jane Plain, @iffen

    They need to be put down like the mad dogs they are.

  146. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Talha

    "(these liberal/anarchist white antifa people need to get back into lock down)"

    These mostly young white people are not liberal. They need to be bloodied but not irreparably damaged. They need to be humbled. They need to be made to understand that political and religious extremism leads to the Abyss.

    Replies: @Talha, @Jane Plain, @iffen

    They need to be made to understand that political and religious extremism leads to the Abyss.

    I think that you are reading this wrong. That’s exactly where they want to go.

  147. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    If they can declare Antifa a terrorist organization based on violent protests, then any group that commits violent or property-damaging protests subsequently (and notice, they can have provocateurs initiate things) can likewise be fast-tracked as terrorists.
     
    And it's an absolute certainty that every vaguely dissident political movement, including the alt-right, contains a proportion of FBI agents provocateurs. It would be childishly easy to use such agents provocateurs to manufacture a justification for outlawing the alt-right as a terrorist movement.

    As usual right-wingers are incapable of thinking more than thirty seconds ahead. Once the precedent is established that a president can declare a political movement he dislikes as a terrorist organisation that precedent can and will be used against the far right. Every single group that can be smeared as white supremacist will then be declared to be a terrorist organisation.

    This is why I consider the alt-right to be fundamentally unserious. They're simply incapable of understanding consequences. The lack of political acumen on the far right is breathtaking.

    Trump is talking about this as a political stunt to get re-elected. The long-term political consequences just don't bear thinking about. But Trump doesn't care. He just wants to be re-elected. He's either the dumbest president in history, or the most cynical.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @iffen, @VinnyVette

    to manufacture a justification for outlawing the alt-right as a terrorist movement.

    Since you consider the alt-right as more than useless, damaging, in fact, what is the downside to this?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @iffen



    to manufacture a justification for outlawing the alt-right as a terrorist movement.
     
    Since you consider the alt-right as more than useless, damaging, in fact, what is the downside to this?
     
    It means that if ever an actual coherent worthwhile opposition movement arises it will also be declared to be a terrorist organisation. It means that from this point on anyone the current president disapproves of politically can be declared to be a terrorist.

    For those who care about such things it also means that the US Constitution is effectively over. It means the rule of law is effectively over. If you're on the president's enemies list you can kiss your constitutional and legal rights goodbye as they ship you off to Guantanamo Bay.

    Just imagine a few hypotheticals. Think of a few of the people who might conceivably be president some day. Think of this sort of thing in that person's hands. I don't buy the popular alt-right conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton is going to replace Biden as the Dem candidate. But just imagine for a moment that it might happen. Just think of the people who would be on Hillary's enemies list, and just think about Hillary having a precedent to declare those enemies to be terrorists. Think of some of Biden's likely VP choices and the people they'd have on their enemies lists. Microaggressions are basically terrorist acts aren't they? Isn't toxic whiteness and toxic masculinity basically terrorism?

    You give a government any power and they will extend that power as much as they possibly can. That's not a conspiracy theory, that's just how governments work.

    Think about the FBI being given the opportunity to target any group they don't like without having to worry about silly nonsense like constitutional rights and due process of law.

    It probably won't happen, but Trump has made it possible that it might happen. It's a step towards not so much totalitarianism as random persecution of political enemies.
  148. @nebulafox
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1267250164277764097

    We need more of this. Law abiding citizens of the community and policemen who want to serve that community should collaborate, even if the former is there to protest the actions of the latter elsewhere.

    Replies: @Truth

    The problem is, he is probably a police officer, spook, or some sort of federal agent.

    “Joe, ya dunce, the Chief told ya to make it subtle. ..”

    • LOL: Talha
  149. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    So, unrelated to the thread at hand, and a dumb, overly broad question, but I'm not going to get the chance to ask you this again: what are the trade-offs and merits of judo vs BJJ? I only have the time and resources for one.

    I'm doing the research on my own, but I thought I'd get your take on it...

    Replies: @Truth, @Twinkie

    If you’re over 160 lbs. Spend 6 months learning to box first. If you are in a situation where you feel comfortable rolling around on the ground with someone for 5 minutes, you are probably in a situation you could, and should, have avoided.

  150. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:

    I would like to take this opportunity to derail the comments section by NOTICING that none of you White Supremacist and fellow traveling internet warriors are actually grabbing your guns, going out to the cities and putting a stop to the alleged “looting”. This renders anything you say that I don’t agree with invalid.

    The protests are, of course, the top news, but let us not forget that Pinochet Trump’s evil reign is almost over. The Russian collusion investigation is currently tying up a few loose ends and, when those ends are tied up, it’s jail time for Trump.

    Cowering in The White House bunker won’t save Trump from the long arm of justice. Max Boot, Seth Abramson, Rachel Maddow, and yours truly will all be seen as the wise observers of events while Vox Day and other White Supremacists (sadly including many of AE’s commenters) will be seen as the fools they are.

    – Covidus

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Anonymous

    Well there was one real man left in the WN community; I call him One Riot, One Ranger. He was an old white man defending an old system with an old weapon. He beats the hell out of these Keyboard Kommadoes though.

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhIotmpd0z05b37OL8&fbclid=IwAR2kGy5SnXlK_Unl77JbTd1u3xIY67FR8-Gtst-5uTZQkvsD2pPb8hH9ulk

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Mr. Rational
    @Anonymous


    none of you White Supremacist and fellow traveling internet warriors are actually grabbing your guns, going out to the cities and putting a stop to the alleged “looting”.
     
    These clowns are not in MY city, so why should I buy trouble by going far from home to do the job of riot police so that the regular police can arrest ME and have ME prosecuted for doing what they failed to do?  Not my circus, not my monkeys.
  151. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    So, unrelated to the thread at hand, and a dumb, overly broad question, but I'm not going to get the chance to ask you this again: what are the trade-offs and merits of judo vs BJJ? I only have the time and resources for one.

    I'm doing the research on my own, but I thought I'd get your take on it...

    Replies: @Truth, @Twinkie

    Sure thing. Would you mind sharing with me what your goals are, your fitness level, amount of time you are able to commit, your pain/roughness tolerance level, etc.?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    1) Not really interested in serious competition, probably too old to get started with that anyway: I'm fully expecting to get my ass kicked most of the time for years to come. I'm primarily interested in the discipline it will bring, mental and physical, as well as a suitable environment to forge courage, resilience, new values that need an environment for constant testing and practice, if they are to take hold. Having a positive outlet for aggression and anger, one where it can be used constructively with other human beings, is another major factor.

    I'd imagine I'll also meet some good people who will spur me to test the real difference between objective limits and subjective ones. Several years ago, my escape outlet was theoretical condensed matter physics. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself-still makes my heart flip in a way few women have managed-but that can sometimes get monastic. And a good mind deserves a good body, anyhow.

    2) Last year, I discovered and embraced weightlifting, but that's been on hold for several months due to a series of unfortunate events, the last of which has been the pandemic. Between that and some bad decisions on my part, the progress I made has been wiped out. I don't think it is going to take as long as it did to get to a basic fitness level because I know a lot more now than I did then, but I am starting over from scratch with a bad fitness level. I've been considering taking a year to just focus on lifting and endurance training to get myself to a level of fitness (think basic USMC standards) where I can at least embark on anything that I choose. Do you think that's prudent?

    I have an ectomorph build, if that matters. Tall with gangly, stringy limbs. Building muscle is not at all impossible, but takes a lot of effort. Flip side is that while my metabolism isn't what it once was, it is still abnormally high: unless I binge drink six packs for months on end, I don't put on fat.

    3) My body will probably need more time to recover than it would have had I started a decade ago, so maybe 3-4 times a week.

    4) From my extremely limited experience so far, including deliberately causing myself physical pain, the one "positive" about having wasted much of your life on addiction is that pain-as well as grief, sadness, whatever-is downright pleasurable compared to that half-dead feeling day in and day out. You end up embracing it as an integral part of feeling alive, and it becomes something that helps you detox and recover. So, I'm not worried about the pain. What I'm primarily concerned about that I'm extremely manually clumsy and inflexible, and always have been. Part of this is congenital, so practice will make things better, but will not change it. If this is a disqualifying factor, I understand.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  152. @Corvinus
    @VinnyVette

    First, it's not the "non dead whites" country, it's our nation. Second, unless you going out to the front lines to stop the criminal element, i.e. the rioters NOT the protestors (big difference) and risk life and limb, you're simply blowing smoke like a typical Armchair Internet Warrior.

    Replies: @VinnyVette

    You out there on the streets with your AK in hand? Or here flapping your jaws per usual? Yep!

  153. @dfordoom
    @VinnyVette


    How is that good for whites? because there would be millions of deaths of minorities, then maybe the non dead whites can have our country back.
     
    I'm assuming you're a Fed? Because if you're not then you're seriously seriously crazy. Are you sure you're taking your medication regularly?

    Replies: @VinnyVette

    Have you had your testosterone shot pussy? Appearantly you don’t have kids you want to leave a decent future. Freedom isn’t free, not willing to fight or die… You don’t deserve it. It’s ok the “men” will fight for you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @VinnyVette

    "Have you had your testosterone shot pussy? Appearantly you don’t have kids you want to leave a decent future."

    LOL, as some deranged man just said to me, "You out there on the streets with your AK in hand? Or here flapping your jaws per usual? Yep!"

  154. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    If they can declare Antifa a terrorist organization based on violent protests, then any group that commits violent or property-damaging protests subsequently (and notice, they can have provocateurs initiate things) can likewise be fast-tracked as terrorists.
     
    And it's an absolute certainty that every vaguely dissident political movement, including the alt-right, contains a proportion of FBI agents provocateurs. It would be childishly easy to use such agents provocateurs to manufacture a justification for outlawing the alt-right as a terrorist movement.

    As usual right-wingers are incapable of thinking more than thirty seconds ahead. Once the precedent is established that a president can declare a political movement he dislikes as a terrorist organisation that precedent can and will be used against the far right. Every single group that can be smeared as white supremacist will then be declared to be a terrorist organisation.

    This is why I consider the alt-right to be fundamentally unserious. They're simply incapable of understanding consequences. The lack of political acumen on the far right is breathtaking.

    Trump is talking about this as a political stunt to get re-elected. The long-term political consequences just don't bear thinking about. But Trump doesn't care. He just wants to be re-elected. He's either the dumbest president in history, or the most cynical.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @iffen, @VinnyVette

    If you voted for Trump you ARE alternative right. If you call yourself politically “right” or conservative and didn’t you’re a cuck!

  155. @SIMP simp
    Whites are too browbeaten to do anything, even to defend themselves and that's as true now as it has been since the 60's when they fled their homes and their neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Kaosweaver

    Heh, get out of the city/area you live in. Where I now live, we aren’t browbeaten. And we are armed.

  156. @dfordoom
    @neutral


    This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies.
     
    And are you assuming that it would be your side that ended up with the nukes?

    Replies: @Talha, @neutral

    I am not American, but I certainly do hope the civil war has nuclear weapons being used.

    • Disagree: Audacious Epigone
  157. @Corvinus
    @neutral

    "If you are pro white then the destruction of America is a good thing."

    You speak for yourself.

    "The US regime is the most hostile anti white regime of all time"

    More of a personal opinion on your part.

    "I am sorry for the chaotic period that many whites will suffer from but they need to think long term what is best."

    What YOU think is best.

    "This would be a different civil war, it would be who get get hold of the nuclear arsenal and use it on its enemies."

    So if the Alt Rights gets hold of the government, they will use nukes to liquidate the Radical Left/Jewish cabal? Or if the (gasp) Radical Left/Jewish cabal emerges on top, they will take out the Alt Right with Oppenheimer's Toy?

    Are you offering this suggestion? Or are you saying something else?

    Replies: @neutral

    How about you mention any other country that is as anti white as America? You can just mention a single one to prove me wrong, not even South Africa or Zimbabwe can match the near total demonization of white people from its government, media or other elite.

  158. Hey guys, just do this and I will personally forgive you for 400 years of slavery and oppression.

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhib9RNPD86WITpO1p

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Truth

    Is it not enough that the likes of dfordoom or Corvinus are already undertaking the ritualistic black worship of you?

    Replies: @Truth, @Corvinus

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Truth

    It is a religion. The death of Christianity in the West did not kill our spirituality, it just changed the way it found expression.

  159. @Truth
    Hey guys, just do this and I will personally forgive you for 400 years of slavery and oppression.

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhib9RNPD86WITpO1p

    Replies: @neutral, @Audacious Epigone

    Is it not enough that the likes of dfordoom or Corvinus are already undertaking the ritualistic black worship of you?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @neutral

    Riddle for ya':

    What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Corvinus
    @neutral

    "Is it not enough that the likes of dfordoom or Corvinus are already undertaking the ritualistic black worship of you?"

    Spoken just like a defeated Southron.

    "How about you mention any other country that is as anti white as America?"

    That is a false premise on your part.

    "You can just mention a single one to prove me wrong, not even South Africa or Zimbabwe can match the near total demonization of white people from its government, media or other elite."

    Given the fact that white men and women--North and South--marched with MLK in the 1960's and march today to continue his work, your characterization is woefully misplaced. It really bothers you that white people make their own decisions about race and culture and refuse to be in lockstep with your outdated ideology.

    Replies: @neutral

  160. @iffen
    @dfordoom

    to manufacture a justification for outlawing the alt-right as a terrorist movement.

    Since you consider the alt-right as more than useless, damaging, in fact, what is the downside to this?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    to manufacture a justification for outlawing the alt-right as a terrorist movement.

    Since you consider the alt-right as more than useless, damaging, in fact, what is the downside to this?

    It means that if ever an actual coherent worthwhile opposition movement arises it will also be declared to be a terrorist organisation. It means that from this point on anyone the current president disapproves of politically can be declared to be a terrorist.

    For those who care about such things it also means that the US Constitution is effectively over. It means the rule of law is effectively over. If you’re on the president’s enemies list you can kiss your constitutional and legal rights goodbye as they ship you off to Guantanamo Bay.

    Just imagine a few hypotheticals. Think of a few of the people who might conceivably be president some day. Think of this sort of thing in that person’s hands. I don’t buy the popular alt-right conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton is going to replace Biden as the Dem candidate. But just imagine for a moment that it might happen. Just think of the people who would be on Hillary’s enemies list, and just think about Hillary having a precedent to declare those enemies to be terrorists. Think of some of Biden’s likely VP choices and the people they’d have on their enemies lists. Microaggressions are basically terrorist acts aren’t they? Isn’t toxic whiteness and toxic masculinity basically terrorism?

    You give a government any power and they will extend that power as much as they possibly can. That’s not a conspiracy theory, that’s just how governments work.

    Think about the FBI being given the opportunity to target any group they don’t like without having to worry about silly nonsense like constitutional rights and due process of law.

    It probably won’t happen, but Trump has made it possible that it might happen. It’s a step towards not so much totalitarianism as random persecution of political enemies.

  161. Peace.

    • Thanks: Corvinus
  162. @Anonymous
    I would like to take this opportunity to derail the comments section by NOTICING that none of you White Supremacist and fellow traveling internet warriors are actually grabbing your guns, going out to the cities and putting a stop to the alleged "looting". This renders anything you say that I don't agree with invalid.

    The protests are, of course, the top news, but let us not forget that Pinochet Trump's evil reign is almost over. The Russian collusion investigation is currently tying up a few loose ends and, when those ends are tied up, it's jail time for Trump.

    Cowering in The White House bunker won't save Trump from the long arm of justice. Max Boot, Seth Abramson, Rachel Maddow, and yours truly will all be seen as the wise observers of events while Vox Day and other White Supremacists (sadly including many of AE's commenters) will be seen as the fools they are.

    - Covidus

    Replies: @Truth, @Mr. Rational

    Well there was one real man left in the WN community; I call him One Riot, One Ranger. He was an old white man defending an old system with an old weapon. He beats the hell out of these Keyboard Kommadoes though.

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhIotmpd0z05b37OL8&fbclid=IwAR2kGy5SnXlK_Unl77JbTd1u3xIY67FR8-Gtst-5uTZQkvsD2pPb8hH9ulk

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Truth

    Sometimes you gotta go with what you have:
    https://i1.wp.com/66.media.tumblr.com/d4912e7d5710816e57821426bda555c9/3569e3e9ad82e908-56/s2048x3072/143768123041781515b661a700a542a7c45e6da4.gif

    Peace.

    Replies: @Truth

  163. @neutral
    @Truth

    Is it not enough that the likes of dfordoom or Corvinus are already undertaking the ritualistic black worship of you?

    Replies: @Truth, @Corvinus

    Riddle for ya’:

    What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Truth

    SpongeBob SquarePants!!!

    Peace.

  164. @Truth
    @neutral

    Riddle for ya':

    What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?

    Replies: @Talha

    SpongeBob SquarePants!!!

    Peace.

  165. @Truth
    @Anonymous

    Well there was one real man left in the WN community; I call him One Riot, One Ranger. He was an old white man defending an old system with an old weapon. He beats the hell out of these Keyboard Kommadoes though.

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhIotmpd0z05b37OL8&fbclid=IwAR2kGy5SnXlK_Unl77JbTd1u3xIY67FR8-Gtst-5uTZQkvsD2pPb8hH9ulk

    Replies: @Talha

    Sometimes you gotta go with what you have:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Talha

    Hey, I have to hand it to the Old codger for having balls. I think it took a few licks to the head and experienced short term memory loss after the event...

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhUx457U28I3pdEhzW

    Replies: @Talha

  166. @Talha
    @Truth

    Sometimes you gotta go with what you have:
    https://i1.wp.com/66.media.tumblr.com/d4912e7d5710816e57821426bda555c9/3569e3e9ad82e908-56/s2048x3072/143768123041781515b661a700a542a7c45e6da4.gif

    Peace.

    Replies: @Truth

    Hey, I have to hand it to the Old codger for having balls. I think it took a few licks to the head and experienced short term memory loss after the event…

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhUx457U28I3pdEhzW

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Truth

    Homeboy sounds like he was saying; "I dindu nuffin' and they beat me senseless."

    Uh, yeah, bro...right.

    The hell does a guy bring a compound bow in his car for anyway? Dude had it on him when he got out the car, it's not like he had to fish it out of his trunk or something.

    Maybe dude's been watching too much Ertugrul*.

    Peace.

    *
    https://www.facebook.com/ErtugrulEnglishSubtitled/videos/757781911093982/

  167. @Truth
    @Talha

    Hey, I have to hand it to the Old codger for having balls. I think it took a few licks to the head and experienced short term memory loss after the event...

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhUx457U28I3pdEhzW

    Replies: @Talha

    Homeboy sounds like he was saying; “I dindu nuffin’ and they beat me senseless.”

    Uh, yeah, bro…right.

    The hell does a guy bring a compound bow in his car for anyway? Dude had it on him when he got out the car, it’s not like he had to fish it out of his trunk or something.

    Maybe dude’s been watching too much Ertugrul*.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    *

    OK (Arrow)" Patience is the nature of the Archer…" – Sungurtekin Bey @ DirilisThe less-known part of history by Europeans is that it was the Seljuks Sultanate of Rum & their Beylik allies who encountered the first Crusade armies and later closed their land route option to Jerusalem. Although the very first “People’s Crusade” army was completely destroyed by Sultan Kilij Arslan (r) in 1096, the second army consisted of well-trained and armored knights were able to defeat him a year later, in a battle called “Dorylaion”, referring to an ancient city that is close to Eskisehir in modern day Turkey. This Crusaders have been the only who arrived Jerusalem following a land route. Kilij Arslan was a leader who learns from his mistakes, so he didn’t underestimate the following three armies that came in 1101. Allied with his eastern Turkish neighbour Gumustekin Gazi (r) and his Beylik (ra), together destroyed all of them and only a few knights survived.Crusader chronicals report the amazing archery skills of Seljuks Sultanate of Rum during these confrontations. They did not hesitate to appreciate the enemy’s unusual martial skills; long-lasting showers of well-aimed arrows shot from surprisingly long distances, together with a flexible and mobile warfare. Seljuks were mounted warriors who preferred fast attack-and-retreats rather than a face-to-face, impact-based combat. They were steppe people who had been thoughened under the hard living conditions of the steppes. Bow was their main weapon and archery training was starting in early childhood, as early as 4 years of age. source: http://www.tirendaz.com/Pls Comment, Like & Share!#DirilisErtugrul #Archery

    Posted by Dirilis Ertugrul Fan Club – English on Monday, May 14, 2018

    • Agree: Truth
  168. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox

    Sure thing. Would you mind sharing with me what your goals are, your fitness level, amount of time you are able to commit, your pain/roughness tolerance level, etc.?

    Replies: @nebulafox

    1) Not really interested in serious competition, probably too old to get started with that anyway: I’m fully expecting to get my ass kicked most of the time for years to come. I’m primarily interested in the discipline it will bring, mental and physical, as well as a suitable environment to forge courage, resilience, new values that need an environment for constant testing and practice, if they are to take hold. Having a positive outlet for aggression and anger, one where it can be used constructively with other human beings, is another major factor.

    I’d imagine I’ll also meet some good people who will spur me to test the real difference between objective limits and subjective ones. Several years ago, my escape outlet was theoretical condensed matter physics. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself-still makes my heart flip in a way few women have managed-but that can sometimes get monastic. And a good mind deserves a good body, anyhow.

    2) Last year, I discovered and embraced weightlifting, but that’s been on hold for several months due to a series of unfortunate events, the last of which has been the pandemic. Between that and some bad decisions on my part, the progress I made has been wiped out. I don’t think it is going to take as long as it did to get to a basic fitness level because I know a lot more now than I did then, but I am starting over from scratch with a bad fitness level. I’ve been considering taking a year to just focus on lifting and endurance training to get myself to a level of fitness (think basic USMC standards) where I can at least embark on anything that I choose. Do you think that’s prudent?

    I have an ectomorph build, if that matters. Tall with gangly, stringy limbs. Building muscle is not at all impossible, but takes a lot of effort. Flip side is that while my metabolism isn’t what it once was, it is still abnormally high: unless I binge drink six packs for months on end, I don’t put on fat.

    3) My body will probably need more time to recover than it would have had I started a decade ago, so maybe 3-4 times a week.

    4) From my extremely limited experience so far, including deliberately causing myself physical pain, the one “positive” about having wasted much of your life on addiction is that pain-as well as grief, sadness, whatever-is downright pleasurable compared to that half-dead feeling day in and day out. You end up embracing it as an integral part of feeling alive, and it becomes something that helps you detox and recover. So, I’m not worried about the pain. What I’m primarily concerned about that I’m extremely manually clumsy and inflexible, and always have been. Part of this is congenital, so practice will make things better, but will not change it. If this is a disqualifying factor, I understand.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @nebulafox

    Based on what you wrote, I suggest Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu over Judo.

    Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and modern day (IJF) Judo both descend from Judo of early 20th century Judo. Put simply, they diverged somewhat due to their emphasis on different aspects of the original Judo - IJF Judo mostly on throwing the opponent cleanly onto his back in Olympic contests and BJJ on submitting the opponent on the ground in context of contest/challenge fights (which evolved into mixed-martial arts). They both have pro's and con's.

    Upfront, Judo is physically much more demanding and injury-prone, as can be expected when grown men try to throw each other (often overhead). It is more physical attribute-dependent than BJJ, e.g. you can slowly pass someone's guard with pressure in BJJ, but there is no such thing as throwing someone slowly in Judo. Throwing someone - for real - takes much longer to learn and master and also requires more physical attributes than ground techniques. Please note that I am NOT suggesting that ground techniques do not require physical attributes - I am simply saying that, realistically-speaking, throwing requires MORE strength, explosiveness, timing, etc. (even though, ideally, throws should be as effortless as possible). Judo in general is a much faster game than BJJ.

    See:

    https://youtu.be/pQJrgIOplFo

    Then why do Judo? Simply put, because being able to throw/takedown someone from standing is a skill of primary importance in empty-hand fighting. Because it feels AMAZING when you chuck a grown-up man over his head. Because it will make you a powerful, tough, phenomenal athlete. Because a throw near-effortlessly, well-done is a beautiful thing to behold.

    Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is a much lower impact sport. Indeed, most BJJ schools don't do much in the way of takedowns, precisely because injuries are common with throws and takedowns. No less an authority as John Danaher, widely considered the best BJJ coach today, says that most injuries at his gym occur from takedowns, not from leglocks, which are considered the most injury-techniques on the ground. BJJ is slower and is, therefore, a somewhat more cerebral, chess-like sport - it's a game of seconds and minutes rather than a split-second as Judo is. It's very appealing to "nerds," because it is genuinely possible for physically less imposing guys to beat much stronger guys with tricky techniques like leglocks. You also progress much faster learning ground techniques than throwing techniques - which is why Kano Jigoro, the founder of original Judo, insisted that his students learn and concentrate on throwing techniques first, because it is easy to neglect throwing and fixate on the ground techniques, in which one sees faster improvements.

    However, modern competition BJJ has moved away from the early emphasis on contest fighting and has become an arcane sport with a lot of stalling and gamesmanship. It's very common these days to see BOTH contestants flopping to their buitts ("pull guard") in order to play their guard game, so they can sweep their opponents and rack up points. It's also extremely common even (or particularly) at high levels for competitors drop down for leglocks (because they don't have to worry about their opponents bashing their heads in at an athletic contest). This is, of course, not unique to BJJ - Judo has unrealistic gamesmanship too (competitors going to turtle off of a failed throw and seeking reset from the referee, for example, but passivity is much more stringently penalized in Judo).

    https://youtu.be/-BqyHcz2LtM

    My opinion is that, if your primary focus is becoming a tough, athletic man and you are interested in techniques that are more self-defense-oriented, you ought to give Judo a strong consideration. If, on the other hand, you are more intested in "kinetic chess," you ought to try BJJ. The best of both worlds would be to train in both (which would be more akin to the original Judo), and it is not impossible to find a school that offers both.

  169. Its not whites being burned down, but the Anti-White System.

    Our enemies are at each others throats.

    Blowhard Joe just took the rioters into his camp.

    What a dummy is he.

    Who are the Rich they crave to eat?

    Not US.

    I’ll bring the gravy…

  170. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    1) Not really interested in serious competition, probably too old to get started with that anyway: I'm fully expecting to get my ass kicked most of the time for years to come. I'm primarily interested in the discipline it will bring, mental and physical, as well as a suitable environment to forge courage, resilience, new values that need an environment for constant testing and practice, if they are to take hold. Having a positive outlet for aggression and anger, one where it can be used constructively with other human beings, is another major factor.

    I'd imagine I'll also meet some good people who will spur me to test the real difference between objective limits and subjective ones. Several years ago, my escape outlet was theoretical condensed matter physics. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself-still makes my heart flip in a way few women have managed-but that can sometimes get monastic. And a good mind deserves a good body, anyhow.

    2) Last year, I discovered and embraced weightlifting, but that's been on hold for several months due to a series of unfortunate events, the last of which has been the pandemic. Between that and some bad decisions on my part, the progress I made has been wiped out. I don't think it is going to take as long as it did to get to a basic fitness level because I know a lot more now than I did then, but I am starting over from scratch with a bad fitness level. I've been considering taking a year to just focus on lifting and endurance training to get myself to a level of fitness (think basic USMC standards) where I can at least embark on anything that I choose. Do you think that's prudent?

    I have an ectomorph build, if that matters. Tall with gangly, stringy limbs. Building muscle is not at all impossible, but takes a lot of effort. Flip side is that while my metabolism isn't what it once was, it is still abnormally high: unless I binge drink six packs for months on end, I don't put on fat.

    3) My body will probably need more time to recover than it would have had I started a decade ago, so maybe 3-4 times a week.

    4) From my extremely limited experience so far, including deliberately causing myself physical pain, the one "positive" about having wasted much of your life on addiction is that pain-as well as grief, sadness, whatever-is downright pleasurable compared to that half-dead feeling day in and day out. You end up embracing it as an integral part of feeling alive, and it becomes something that helps you detox and recover. So, I'm not worried about the pain. What I'm primarily concerned about that I'm extremely manually clumsy and inflexible, and always have been. Part of this is congenital, so practice will make things better, but will not change it. If this is a disqualifying factor, I understand.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Based on what you wrote, I suggest Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu over Judo.

    Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and modern day (IJF) Judo both descend from Judo of early 20th century Judo. Put simply, they diverged somewhat due to their emphasis on different aspects of the original Judo – IJF Judo mostly on throwing the opponent cleanly onto his back in Olympic contests and BJJ on submitting the opponent on the ground in context of contest/challenge fights (which evolved into mixed-martial arts). They both have pro’s and con’s.

    Upfront, Judo is physically much more demanding and injury-prone, as can be expected when grown men try to throw each other (often overhead). It is more physical attribute-dependent than BJJ, e.g. you can slowly pass someone’s guard with pressure in BJJ, but there is no such thing as throwing someone slowly in Judo. Throwing someone – for real – takes much longer to learn and master and also requires more physical attributes than ground techniques. Please note that I am NOT suggesting that ground techniques do not require physical attributes – I am simply saying that, realistically-speaking, throwing requires MORE strength, explosiveness, timing, etc. (even though, ideally, throws should be as effortless as possible). Judo in general is a much faster game than BJJ.

    See:

    Then why do Judo? Simply put, because being able to throw/takedown someone from standing is a skill of primary importance in empty-hand fighting. Because it feels AMAZING when you chuck a grown-up man over his head. Because it will make you a powerful, tough, phenomenal athlete. Because a throw near-effortlessly, well-done is a beautiful thing to behold.

    Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is a much lower impact sport. Indeed, most BJJ schools don’t do much in the way of takedowns, precisely because injuries are common with throws and takedowns. No less an authority as John Danaher, widely considered the best BJJ coach today, says that most injuries at his gym occur from takedowns, not from leglocks, which are considered the most injury-techniques on the ground. BJJ is slower and is, therefore, a somewhat more cerebral, chess-like sport – it’s a game of seconds and minutes rather than a split-second as Judo is. It’s very appealing to “nerds,” because it is genuinely possible for physically less imposing guys to beat much stronger guys with tricky techniques like leglocks. You also progress much faster learning ground techniques than throwing techniques – which is why Kano Jigoro, the founder of original Judo, insisted that his students learn and concentrate on throwing techniques first, because it is easy to neglect throwing and fixate on the ground techniques, in which one sees faster improvements.

    However, modern competition BJJ has moved away from the early emphasis on contest fighting and has become an arcane sport with a lot of stalling and gamesmanship. It’s very common these days to see BOTH contestants flopping to their buitts (“pull guard”) in order to play their guard game, so they can sweep their opponents and rack up points. It’s also extremely common even (or particularly) at high levels for competitors drop down for leglocks (because they don’t have to worry about their opponents bashing their heads in at an athletic contest). This is, of course, not unique to BJJ – Judo has unrealistic gamesmanship too (competitors going to turtle off of a failed throw and seeking reset from the referee, for example, but passivity is much more stringently penalized in Judo).

    My opinion is that, if your primary focus is becoming a tough, athletic man and you are interested in techniques that are more self-defense-oriented, you ought to give Judo a strong consideration. If, on the other hand, you are more intested in “kinetic chess,” you ought to try BJJ. The best of both worlds would be to train in both (which would be more akin to the original Judo), and it is not impossible to find a school that offers both.

    • Thanks: nebulafox, Talha
  171. @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    '“But we’re harmless. In what way could this be creepy?”

    It’s already been established the Internet Armchair warriors here are harmless; otherwise, they would have made their way to an urban area, took care of the “vibrants” and Antifa, and then reported their exploits here. And it is patently creepy for a stranger to ask another stranger on a blog for their name and address.'

    But if you're sure we're harmless, in what possible way can our interest be creepy?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “But if you’re sure we’re harmless, in what possible way can our interest be creepy?”

    Because it’s something that is other than normal–a stranger asking a stranger on a blog for their name and address.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    'Because it’s something that is other than normal–a stranger asking a stranger on a blog for their name and address.'

    Do you feel this way about all forms of deviant behavior?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  172. @neutral
    @Truth

    Is it not enough that the likes of dfordoom or Corvinus are already undertaking the ritualistic black worship of you?

    Replies: @Truth, @Corvinus

    “Is it not enough that the likes of dfordoom or Corvinus are already undertaking the ritualistic black worship of you?”

    Spoken just like a defeated Southron.

    “How about you mention any other country that is as anti white as America?”

    That is a false premise on your part.

    “You can just mention a single one to prove me wrong, not even South Africa or Zimbabwe can match the near total demonization of white people from its government, media or other elite.”

    Given the fact that white men and women–North and South–marched with MLK in the 1960’s and march today to continue his work, your characterization is woefully misplaced. It really bothers you that white people make their own decisions about race and culture and refuse to be in lockstep with your outdated ideology.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Corvinus

    You prove my point idiot. Did you bend your knee to your black gods yet, and if not why not?

  173. @Anonymous
    I would like to take this opportunity to derail the comments section by NOTICING that none of you White Supremacist and fellow traveling internet warriors are actually grabbing your guns, going out to the cities and putting a stop to the alleged "looting". This renders anything you say that I don't agree with invalid.

    The protests are, of course, the top news, but let us not forget that Pinochet Trump's evil reign is almost over. The Russian collusion investigation is currently tying up a few loose ends and, when those ends are tied up, it's jail time for Trump.

    Cowering in The White House bunker won't save Trump from the long arm of justice. Max Boot, Seth Abramson, Rachel Maddow, and yours truly will all be seen as the wise observers of events while Vox Day and other White Supremacists (sadly including many of AE's commenters) will be seen as the fools they are.

    - Covidus

    Replies: @Truth, @Mr. Rational

    none of you White Supremacist and fellow traveling internet warriors are actually grabbing your guns, going out to the cities and putting a stop to the alleged “looting”.

    These clowns are not in MY city, so why should I buy trouble by going far from home to do the job of riot police so that the regular police can arrest ME and have ME prosecuted for doing what they failed to do?  Not my circus, not my monkeys.

    • Agree: iffen
  174. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    "But if you’re sure we’re harmless, in what possible way can our interest be creepy?"

    Because it's something that is other than normal--a stranger asking a stranger on a blog for their name and address.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Because it’s something that is other than normal–a stranger asking a stranger on a blog for their name and address.’

    Do you feel this way about all forms of deviant behavior?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    Thank you for inferring that you are engaging in deviant behavior. It's a proper first step in you seeking help.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  175. @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    'Because it’s something that is other than normal–a stranger asking a stranger on a blog for their name and address.'

    Do you feel this way about all forms of deviant behavior?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Thank you for inferring that you are engaging in deviant behavior. It’s a proper first step in you seeking help.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    'Thank you for inferring that you are engaging in deviant behavior. It’s a proper first step in you seeking help.'

    Me 'n everyone else who deviates, eh?

    ...so why am I not too concerned?

    But hey. You never told us your name and address.

  176. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    Thank you for inferring that you are engaging in deviant behavior. It's a proper first step in you seeking help.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Thank you for inferring that you are engaging in deviant behavior. It’s a proper first step in you seeking help.’

    Me ‘n everyone else who deviates, eh?

    …so why am I not too concerned?

    But hey. You never told us your name and address.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  177. It is re-assuring when you see 2 or 3 commenters on your CTI list engaging in dialogue.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @iffen

    It’s like Schrödinger’s cat; what’s going on in there??!! 🧐

    Peace.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @iffen

  178. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Corvinus

    "Pinochet"

    You're stuck in the 1970s. Welcome to 2020: the authoritarian threat comes from the left.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Corvinus

    “Welcome to 2020: the authoritarian threat comes from the left.”

    Try again.

  179. @iffen
    It is re-assuring when you see 2 or 3 commenters on your CTI list engaging in dialogue.

    Replies: @Talha

    It’s like Schrödinger’s cat; what’s going on in there??!! 🧐

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Talha

    I really enjoy NGAF about what's going on in that box.

    , @iffen
    @Talha

    It’s like Schrödinger’s cat; what’s going on in there??!! 🧐

    I had to look this up, but you called it: everything is said in there while nothing is said.

  180. @Talha
    @iffen

    It’s like Schrödinger’s cat; what’s going on in there??!! 🧐

    Peace.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @iffen

    I really enjoy NGAF about what’s going on in that box.

    • LOL: Talha
  181. @Corvinus
    @neutral

    "Is it not enough that the likes of dfordoom or Corvinus are already undertaking the ritualistic black worship of you?"

    Spoken just like a defeated Southron.

    "How about you mention any other country that is as anti white as America?"

    That is a false premise on your part.

    "You can just mention a single one to prove me wrong, not even South Africa or Zimbabwe can match the near total demonization of white people from its government, media or other elite."

    Given the fact that white men and women--North and South--marched with MLK in the 1960's and march today to continue his work, your characterization is woefully misplaced. It really bothers you that white people make their own decisions about race and culture and refuse to be in lockstep with your outdated ideology.

    Replies: @neutral

    You prove my point idiot. Did you bend your knee to your black gods yet, and if not why not?

  182. @VinnyVette
    @dfordoom

    Have you had your testosterone shot pussy? Appearantly you don't have kids you want to leave a decent future. Freedom isn't free, not willing to fight or die... You don't deserve it. It's ok the "men" will fight for you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Have you had your testosterone shot pussy? Appearantly you don’t have kids you want to leave a decent future.”

    LOL, as some deranged man just said to me, “You out there on the streets with your AK in hand? Or here flapping your jaws per usual? Yep!”

  183. @Talha
    @iffen

    It’s like Schrödinger’s cat; what’s going on in there??!! 🧐

    Peace.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @iffen

    It’s like Schrödinger’s cat; what’s going on in there??!! 🧐

    I had to look this up, but you called it: everything is said in there while nothing is said.

  184. @Lowe
    @Arclight

    AFAIK there were only riots in Minneapolis, Atlanta, and DC, although the last was barely a riot. Some angry protesting in California, and that's it?

    The police in NY and LA put down anything as quickly as they could, and I did not hear about anything in the other major cities. This was hardly the end of the world. Just blacks rioting, like they do every few years. I do not see how or why others are reading significance into this. In a few weeks barely anyone will remember this happened.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @Jay Fink, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

    A week on, this hasn’t aged particularly well.

  185. @WorkingClass
    @Dumbo

    Defectors could be States or coalitions of States (regions). If the idea is to separate from the cities, coalitions of counties across State lines would be an option. Secession might not be the goal. Limited autonomy might be negotiated with The District Of Corruption. The point being to get out of the jurisdiction of BLM and Antifa and their owners.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

    And to get the hopelessly retrograde rustics out of their jurisdictions as well. The way to frame this is not as a prison break but as an understanding that irreconcilable differences call for amicable divorce.

  186. @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    I don't like the weather, the terrain, the vegetation or the bugs in the southern states, so I would much prefer all the whites to move to the Pacific Northwest and secede. Maybe we could pull in -- or conquer -- British Columbia and have our land from Alaska to Northern California and east to Montana.
    Also, a PNW ethnostate would have it's economic focus and trade with a prosperous East Asia rather than the perennial nothing that is Latin America and the Caribbean.
    Also the second, look at this map -- how are you going to make a white ethnostate in a region that contains most of the blacks? I don't think it would have a chance of working.

    https://i.imgur.com/mwppiee.png

    Replies: @Stealth, @Audacious Epigone

    Talking about a white ethnostate is self-defeating. I doubt even a majority of readers at UR favor such a thing. It’s a total non-starter.

  187. @SafeNow
    “I don’t know how we’re going to avoid being engulfed by it.” -AE

    My reflexive response is “buy social peace.” Even more set-asides, affirmative action, governmental programs. The American people have been quite willing to buy social peace in the past. Christopher Caldwell, in his new book, asks, ”What did we get for $20 trillion in debt?” His answer: “social peace.” I believe it is especially easy to do so now, because, in this Covid age, we are inured to simply printing more money.

    I say “reflexive” because there is a new wrinkle, namely, the active participation of whites. Antifa, the media, and professors. They will not be silenced by the payment. The reason is, by participating, they are virtue-signaling and getting laid, or at least hoping to. This is the biological imperative - don’t laugh. Bernie Sanders was surprised when his supporters did not turn out to vote. The reason is that when you are there alone, voting, unlike being at a rally, there is no one there to exchange phone numbers with.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Audacious Epigone

    The problem with trying to buy the peace is that the till is full of nothing but IOUs and monopoly money.

  188. @t
    @Audacious Epigone

    There is reason to be concerned but there is zero evidence of race war. Ignoring large chain stores there have probably been more cases whites attacking non white owned businesses than the reverse. The people pushing for mayhem a by and large white. I live in miked race area I fear the white leftists far more than any of my non-white neighbors. The threat to this country if (mostly white)leftist not non-whites.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    I do not discount the desire of white hard leftists wanting to start a race war.

  189. @obwandiyag
    You would think you bastards would like burning down cop-nests.

    Ever hear of Daniel Shaver? He was white. White as they come. Whiter than white. White as bleach. They shot him down like a dog. Literally, like a dog. While he was crawling like a dog because they ordered him to.

    You really don't care if they shoot white people. All you cares about is if dem coppers get all the love. You think kneeling in front of them is your job. As in . . .

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Tony Timpa is an even better example for comparitive purposes.

    Police brutality is one issue, that everyone knows Floyd’s name but almost nobody knows Timpa’s is another.

  190. @t
    This isn't a race riot it's a Left wing riot

    https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/1266940981854822400

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Downwardly mobile children of elites who can’t get elite spots themselves and so try to become something this way?

  191. @Jane Plain
    @t

    Thanks. In which case, this is a rare AE miss.

    Perhaps some black-owned businesses were spared but I don't think many were at least not in Minneapolis. Those mobs were hell bent on destruction.

    I did see a picture of black business owners defending their property with firearms. That was nice.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    The sign isn’t a foolproof amulet. The more interesting question is whether or not it is broadly perceived to legitimately only target white-owned businesses.

  192. @Truth
    Hey guys, just do this and I will personally forgive you for 400 years of slavery and oppression.

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhib9RNPD86WITpO1p

    Replies: @neutral, @Audacious Epigone

    It is a religion. The death of Christianity in the West did not kill our spirituality, it just changed the way it found expression.

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