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The First Step Act, attacking Biden/Harris for being tough on crime in the past, bringing the great Herschel Walker on among a host of other soul brothers at the RNC–none of these things are working:

Also, dar rEpUbLiCaNs ArE tHe PaRtY oF tHe RiCh! The Democrat party has outraised the GOP in corporate donations in every presidential election since 2004, some sixteen years ago. That Republicans are so bad at making use of that open secret explains why the GOP is so aptly referred to colloquially as the stupid party.

In a populist age, Democrats get to pretend to be the party of the common man while the corporate world is stuffing every one of their orifices with cash. Republicans get portrayed as the party being bankrolled by the moneyed interests without getting the benefits of actually being bankrolled by the moneyed interests, since those interests are mostly bankrolling Democrats.

Younger, poorer voters are the ones least committed to either candidate six weeks out. Younger, poorer voters want stimulus checks and health care. Give it to them. Or at least say you’d like to, because your opponent won’t!

 
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  1. The Johnson “Great Society” bribes keep on buying votes.

    The blacks vote for the gimmes, not the ticket.

    Biden/Harris is the “gravy train” to them.

    Kanye West will get some votes by just being black.

    That might tip the scales in some states.

    Letting these people “vote” in the first place was obviously a mistake.

  2. Really? The Republicans are the sworn enemies of the plutocrats, the oligarchy, the mega-rich, our owners? You really expect anybody to swallow that horse manure?

    • LOL: El Dato
    • Replies: @neutral
    @obwandiyag

    You didn't read the article, the Oligarchy as been paying the Democrats more money for a long time now. The fact that Republicans are still being portrayed as the choice of the Oligarchy is the triumph of their propaganda narrative. The Oligarchy hates Republicans a lot, the fact that the dim witted Republicans still want to pander to the corporations makes them the stupid party, but that does take away the fact that the Democrats are truly the corporate party.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    , @Pop Warner
    @obwandiyag

    I'm looking for where AE said that but I can't seem to find it. Is this in some secret paragraph only you can see or are witnessing the full capabilities of the African IQ?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @obwandiyag

    No, they're the junior puppets, that's all.

  3. George W. Bush won two presidential contests with campaign war chests that exceeded those of his opponents.

    You are a typical liar who lies with the truth. Yeah Trump is down in fundraising. But George W. Bush was not. Thus, Republicans often get more money from rich people. Just not this year. Invalidating everything you say, you stupid manipulative mook.

    https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-politics/billions-spent-elect-us-presidents

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @obwandiyag


    The Democrat party has outraised the GOP in corporate donations in every presidential election since 2004,
     
    I understand that a lot is missed when you read the above as the below, but if you concentrate harder you'll see that your outburst is really stupid.

    Da man give mo money to Dems since twenty fo.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @obwandiyag

    The post says since 2004, the last year George W Bush ran for president. Not trying to pull a fast one on anyone.

    Re: mookness, yeah, pal, and you're in for a scuffle. Prepare:

    https://images.app.goo.gl/YQ7vmmxVWbjmKmUZ8

    Replies: @obwandiyag

  4. Is Trump actually doing much better with Hispanics, on this not much change? Seems more likely they will do what blacks did last time out, and not bother voting mostly.

    Interesting income distribution, high and low against the middle, I can only assume that the retired are absent so explaining how Trump trails in all three categories.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @LondonBob


    Interesting income distribution, high and low against the middle...
     
    That is how things are arrayed now in the US. Our middle class is disappearing, as we descend into a sharply-stratified, two-class society of rich and poor -- what most of the rest of the world has always been.

    This is history's way of regressing toward the mean. Having a middle-class majority was an aberration.

    This middle includes most of the skilled workers who actually contribute and earn their incomes. They don't get much free stuff, and they aren't getting any respect.

    It should be noted too, that a bracket of "$100k+" that extends to infinity is a very broad category. In many locales, an income of $100k is middle class and barely enough or not enough to own a home.

    There are two welfare classes in America: the very poor and the very rich. Both get money for doing nothing. If you've ever lived in a great spot where lots of trust fund babies live and receive free incomes from the family fortune, you know what I mean. It's easy to vote Left when you have no worries and you don't have to work.

    What puzzles me, though, is why so many rich and high-income people vote for a party that likes to tax them. Maybe they're just stupid, or maybe they can so easily afford it that they don't care.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @planta rosa productions XL, @indocon

    , @botazefa
    @LondonBob


    Is Trump actually doing much better with Hispanics, on this not much change?
     
    yes, I think so.

    Hispanics don't like Black people. They don't want to be called 'people of color.'

    They also may not do much voting, so...

    Replies: @Jay Fink

  5. @obwandiyag
    Really? The Republicans are the sworn enemies of the plutocrats, the oligarchy, the mega-rich, our owners? You really expect anybody to swallow that horse manure?

    Replies: @neutral, @Pop Warner, @Audacious Epigone

    You didn’t read the article, the Oligarchy as been paying the Democrats more money for a long time now. The fact that Republicans are still being portrayed as the choice of the Oligarchy is the triumph of their propaganda narrative. The Oligarchy hates Republicans a lot, the fact that the dim witted Republicans still want to pander to the corporations makes them the stupid party, but that does take away the fact that the Democrats are truly the corporate party.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @neutral

    Neutral, whether ob read the article or not is irrelevant. He has an agenda to push and he's not going to let little things like facts get in the way of his job.

  6. @LondonBob
    Is Trump actually doing much better with Hispanics, on this not much change? Seems more likely they will do what blacks did last time out, and not bother voting mostly.

    Interesting income distribution, high and low against the middle, I can only assume that the retired are absent so explaining how Trump trails in all three categories.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @botazefa

    Interesting income distribution, high and low against the middle…

    That is how things are arrayed now in the US. Our middle class is disappearing, as we descend into a sharply-stratified, two-class society of rich and poor — what most of the rest of the world has always been.

    This is history’s way of regressing toward the mean. Having a middle-class majority was an aberration.

    This middle includes most of the skilled workers who actually contribute and earn their incomes. They don’t get much free stuff, and they aren’t getting any respect.

    It should be noted too, that a bracket of “$100k+” that extends to infinity is a very broad category. In many locales, an income of $100k is middle class and barely enough or not enough to own a home.

    There are two welfare classes in America: the very poor and the very rich. Both get money for doing nothing. If you’ve ever lived in a great spot where lots of trust fund babies live and receive free incomes from the family fortune, you know what I mean. It’s easy to vote Left when you have no worries and you don’t have to work.

    What puzzles me, though, is why so many rich and high-income people vote for a party that likes to tax them. Maybe they’re just stupid, or maybe they can so easily afford it that they don’t care.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It always surprises me how few people actually earn a six figure income though, admittedly the £$ exchange rate means it is a higher sum in Britain.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/top-five-percent-salary-uk-wealth-tax-rich-average-a9213406.html

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    , @planta rosa productions XL
    @Buzz Mohawk

    They're not Jews like you who get their panties in a bunch because they lost 3% of their income.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @indocon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "What puzzles me, though, is why so many rich and high-income people vote for a party that likes to tax them. Maybe they’re just stupid, or maybe they can so easily afford it that they don’t care."

    The answer to your question is that these people either don't think they will be taxed up to the wazo or the tax rates in question don't really affect them. Think about it for a moment, if you have a net worth of $20M in Silli Valley, the tax rate you care about is capital gains tax rate, not the ordinary income tax rate, on that the bitch Republicans will go to the mat to keep it at 15%.

    If we will ever see a true populist party, their first act should be to equalize capital gains and ordinary income tax rate, it's as easy of a layup as there is.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  7. @Buzz Mohawk
    @LondonBob


    Interesting income distribution, high and low against the middle...
     
    That is how things are arrayed now in the US. Our middle class is disappearing, as we descend into a sharply-stratified, two-class society of rich and poor -- what most of the rest of the world has always been.

    This is history's way of regressing toward the mean. Having a middle-class majority was an aberration.

    This middle includes most of the skilled workers who actually contribute and earn their incomes. They don't get much free stuff, and they aren't getting any respect.

    It should be noted too, that a bracket of "$100k+" that extends to infinity is a very broad category. In many locales, an income of $100k is middle class and barely enough or not enough to own a home.

    There are two welfare classes in America: the very poor and the very rich. Both get money for doing nothing. If you've ever lived in a great spot where lots of trust fund babies live and receive free incomes from the family fortune, you know what I mean. It's easy to vote Left when you have no worries and you don't have to work.

    What puzzles me, though, is why so many rich and high-income people vote for a party that likes to tax them. Maybe they're just stupid, or maybe they can so easily afford it that they don't care.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @planta rosa productions XL, @indocon

    It always surprises me how few people actually earn a six figure income though, admittedly the £$ exchange rate means it is a higher sum in Britain.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/top-five-percent-salary-uk-wealth-tax-rich-average-a9213406.html

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @LondonBob

    I believe in the US last I checked you have to be closing in on $200k/year to be in the top 5% of income.

    While that still doesn't seem huge, it only seems that way because the figures who earn salaries like that are at the top of their fields in typical middle-class careers and thus highly visible. They're experienced surgeons, lawyers, executives, etc. Lots of people know someone like that in their everyday lives, but far, far fewer people are someone like that.

  8. In a populist age, Democrats get to pretend to be the party of the common man while the corporate world is stuffing every one of their orifices with cash.

    Key Democrat opposes GOP Section 230 subpoena for Facebook, Twitter, Google

    https://thehill.com/policy/technology/518109-key-democrat-opposes-gop-section-230-subpoena-for-facebook-twitter-google

    • Replies: @indocon
    @iffen

    The moronic republican party should have been doing this day one in 2017, not scrambling to do some for either survival or optics at the end of 2020.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @iffen

    What an Orwellian angle. She's against the subpoenas because it will interfere with the tech companies' efforts to fight harassment, deplatforming, intimidation, blah blah blah. Yeah, right, Google and Facebook are about to do the right thing, stop getting in their way!

    Replies: @iffen, @iffen

  9. The Demonrats almost made a fatal error in shutting down the indoctrination centres schools. They’ve been working furiously to correct this by various means that extend their control and messaging into homes with little opportunity for parents to object other than flat-out opting out for homeschooling, and the Dems are working furiously to close that loophole. They’ve had 50+ years to mold young skulls full of mush into older skulls full of mush, and it is really showing. Perhaps it isn’t the election that will save or finish the Republic, rather the battle to re-take control of education will be the deciding factor in whether or not America has a future.

  10. The Republican Party’s chief allergy seems to be against any action that might explicitly promote the distinct interests of the white Gentile citizenry upon which the party relies for support. Odd, that.

    In a populist age, Democrats get to pretend to be the party of the common man while the corporate world is stuffing every one of their orifices with cash. Republicans get portrayed as the party being bankrolled by the moneyed interests without getting the benefits of actually being bankrolled by the moneyed interests, since those interests are mostly bankrolling Democrats.

    Indeed. Odder and odder.

    The First Step Act, attacking Biden/Harris for being tough on crime in the past, bringing the great Herschel Walker on among a host of other soul brothers at the RNC–none of these things are working….

    So can we finally lay to rest the tired notion that the Republican Party should do more to earn the black vote?

    Probably not, but one suspects that Republicans might win marginally more black votes, not fewer, if Republicans just ignored the blacks.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    the distinct interests of the white Gentile citizenry

    And those distinct interests would be:?

    So can we finally lay to rest the tired notion that the Republican Party should do more to earn the black vote?

    No we cannot.

    If the GOP can permanent exorcize the Romney wing, and pick up a few % points of support from blacks, Hispanics and other ethnic and racial groups, it could electorally achieve the economic and cultural salvation of America.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @V. K. Ovelund

  11. @V. K. Ovelund
    The Republican Party's chief allergy seems to be against any action that might explicitly promote the distinct interests of the white Gentile citizenry upon which the party relies for support. Odd, that.

    In a populist age, Democrats get to pretend to be the party of the common man while the corporate world is stuffing every one of their orifices with cash. Republicans get portrayed as the party being bankrolled by the moneyed interests without getting the benefits of actually being bankrolled by the moneyed interests, since those interests are mostly bankrolling Democrats.
     
    Indeed. Odder and odder.

    The First Step Act, attacking Biden/Harris for being tough on crime in the past, bringing the great Herschel Walker on among a host of other soul brothers at the RNC–none of these things are working....
     
    So can we finally lay to rest the tired notion that the Republican Party should do more to earn the black vote?

    Probably not, but one suspects that Republicans might win marginally more black votes, not fewer, if Republicans just ignored the blacks.

    Replies: @iffen

    the distinct interests of the white Gentile citizenry

    And those distinct interests would be:?

    So can we finally lay to rest the tired notion that the Republican Party should do more to earn the black vote?

    No we cannot.

    If the GOP can permanent exorcize the Romney wing, and pick up a few % points of support from blacks, Hispanics and other ethnic and racial groups, it could electorally achieve the economic and cultural salvation of America.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @iffen


    If the GOP can permanent exorcize the Romney wing, and pick up a few % points of support from blacks, Hispanics and other ethnic and racial groups, it could electorally achieve the economic and cultural salvation of America.
     
    You really believe the GOP has any interest in achieving the economic and cultural salvation of America?

    The sad truth is that the mainstream right-wing parties (and this is the case not just in the US) are rotten all the way through. It's the 95% of the Republican establishment who are evil vicious swine who give the rest a bad name.

    Replies: @neutral, @iffen

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    And those distinct interests would be:?
     
    No people owes an explanation for wishing to live in dignity in its own territory among its own kind according to its own conception of life without undue meddling by others. No further rationale is needed.

    White Gentile Americans are increasingly denied such a life, and are badgered, hectored and insulted for desiring it. Read Rudyard Kipling's one-page poem, “The Stranger.”

    Replies: @iffen

  12. @obwandiyag
    George W. Bush won two presidential contests with campaign war chests that exceeded those of his opponents.

    You are a typical liar who lies with the truth. Yeah Trump is down in fundraising. But George W. Bush was not. Thus, Republicans often get more money from rich people. Just not this year. Invalidating everything you say, you stupid manipulative mook.

    https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-politics/billions-spent-elect-us-presidents

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Audacious Epigone

    The Democrat party has outraised the GOP in corporate donations in every presidential election since 2004,

    I understand that a lot is missed when you read the above as the below, but if you concentrate harder you’ll see that your outburst is really stupid.

    Da man give mo money to Dems since twenty fo.

  13. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    the distinct interests of the white Gentile citizenry

    And those distinct interests would be:?

    So can we finally lay to rest the tired notion that the Republican Party should do more to earn the black vote?

    No we cannot.

    If the GOP can permanent exorcize the Romney wing, and pick up a few % points of support from blacks, Hispanics and other ethnic and racial groups, it could electorally achieve the economic and cultural salvation of America.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @V. K. Ovelund

    If the GOP can permanent exorcize the Romney wing, and pick up a few % points of support from blacks, Hispanics and other ethnic and racial groups, it could electorally achieve the economic and cultural salvation of America.

    You really believe the GOP has any interest in achieving the economic and cultural salvation of America?

    The sad truth is that the mainstream right-wing parties (and this is the case not just in the US) are rotten all the way through. It’s the 95% of the Republican establishment who are evil vicious swine who give the rest a bad name.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @dfordoom

    It can easily be argued that 95% of the Democrats are also vicious swine, this means that the vast majority of the population votes for swine all the time. The truth is that the vast majority of Americans are swines, one cannot excuse this if they keep voting for these same people for decades. No salvation is possible for such a corrupted and awful society, the best to ask for is to see its complete demise.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

    , @iffen
    @dfordoom

    You really believe the GOP has any interest in achieving the economic and cultural salvation of America?

    Gawd! Do you keep in mind what I say in my comments, or do you wake up in a new world every day that you read a comment by me? Why would you try to stick me with thinking such tedious nonsense? I don’t believe the elites in any party give a damn about ordinary Americans. I just haven’t given up complete hope on the electoral process. I just made an observation about what I think is the utilitarian value of using political power for the betterment of the citizens. In the U. S., it would be easier (but still quite unlikely) for iffen and other like minded, clear thinking people to seize control of the GOP and use it as a political force to accomplish certain goals.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  14. @dfordoom
    @iffen


    If the GOP can permanent exorcize the Romney wing, and pick up a few % points of support from blacks, Hispanics and other ethnic and racial groups, it could electorally achieve the economic and cultural salvation of America.
     
    You really believe the GOP has any interest in achieving the economic and cultural salvation of America?

    The sad truth is that the mainstream right-wing parties (and this is the case not just in the US) are rotten all the way through. It's the 95% of the Republican establishment who are evil vicious swine who give the rest a bad name.

    Replies: @neutral, @iffen

    It can easily be argued that 95% of the Democrats are also vicious swine, this means that the vast majority of the population votes for swine all the time. The truth is that the vast majority of Americans are swines, one cannot excuse this if they keep voting for these same people for decades. No salvation is possible for such a corrupted and awful society, the best to ask for is to see its complete demise.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @neutral


    The truth is that the vast majority of Americans are swines....
     
    For information, are you American? (Or Canadian?)

    I ask because I am American and prefer my country, on principle, to be disliked abroad; so if you are a foreigner then I would not dissuade you. However, if you are indeed American: are most Americans you know not decent, normal, considerate and reasonably kind?

    If they are not, then I wish that you knew the Americans I know. You may have fallen in with a bad lot.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @dfordoom
    @neutral


    It can easily be argued that 95% of the Democrats are also vicious swine
     
    I wouldn't deny that.

    this means that the vast majority of the population votes for swine all the time.
     
    That's how democracy works. Isn't it awesome?

    The average person has zero understanding of complex issues. There's no reason why ordinary people should understand how the economy works, or the subtle nuances of international diplomacy, or any of the other issues that government has to deal with. Those things are not relevant to the lives of ordinary people.

    The ultimate lunacy is televised political debates. It's such a great idea to vote for the candidate who is the most attractive TV personality. Or the most effective liar.

    Ordinary people are mostly not swine but because they don't understand complex issues they end up voting for candidates who tell them what they want to hear (Make America Great Again!), or make enticing promises (free money!), or pander to their basest prejudices (the Evil Chinese Commies or the Evil Russkies are out to get us!).

    I find it difficult to understand how anyone could ever have believed that democracy was a good idea. It's been given a fair trial and it's failed dismally. But we're stuck with it because if you question it you're either an Evil Fascist or an Evil Commie.

    Replies: @Yahya K.

  15. @dfordoom
    @iffen


    If the GOP can permanent exorcize the Romney wing, and pick up a few % points of support from blacks, Hispanics and other ethnic and racial groups, it could electorally achieve the economic and cultural salvation of America.
     
    You really believe the GOP has any interest in achieving the economic and cultural salvation of America?

    The sad truth is that the mainstream right-wing parties (and this is the case not just in the US) are rotten all the way through. It's the 95% of the Republican establishment who are evil vicious swine who give the rest a bad name.

    Replies: @neutral, @iffen

    You really believe the GOP has any interest in achieving the economic and cultural salvation of America?

    Gawd! Do you keep in mind what I say in my comments, or do you wake up in a new world every day that you read a comment by me? Why would you try to stick me with thinking such tedious nonsense? I don’t believe the elites in any party give a damn about ordinary Americans. I just haven’t given up complete hope on the electoral process. I just made an observation about what I think is the utilitarian value of using political power for the betterment of the citizens. In the U. S., it would be easier (but still quite unlikely) for iffen and other like minded, clear thinking people to seize control of the GOP and use it as a political force to accomplish certain goals.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @iffen


    In the U. S., it would be easier (but still quite unlikely) for iffen and other like minded, clear thinking people to seize control of the GOP and use it as a political force to accomplish certain goals.
     
    Good luck with that.
  16. If one could mathematically convert the black vote for Dems into an angle (100% => 90 degrees) as if it were a mountain or hill, I wonder how many would try to climb it? And how many of these would perish in the attempt?

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  17. The most worrying thing about this graph is Biden getting 40% of the white vote. Trump is toast if that is accurate.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Pop Warner
    @Arclight

    Trump got 58% of the white vote in 2016. And instead of modestly improving that share (whites are 2/3 of the electorate and a 3% increase is millions of votes) he instead panders to the demographic who hates him and his base the most and only makes up 13% of the electorate. Would a 10% swing in the black vote do more than a 3% swing in the white vote, especially in battleground states? Probably not, and pandering to blacks probably ends up hurting his numbers with Hispanics. I know there was a poll that said his Hispanic numbers are improving but I'll believe it when I see it

    , @J.D.
    @Arclight

    Trump needs to make sure the Durham investigation comes out and people are brought to justice before the election. I know people who won't vote for Trump unless they see results. They feel betrayed by the "First Step Act." (And now Trump is claiming to be a "law and order" president?) They feel unhappy by the wall not being built like he said it would be (even before the lockdown, there wasn't nearly enough done). They're upset about our debt going through the roof, and the middle class being hit hard by this lockdown, losing thousands of small businesses, just for Trump to turn around and claim that the economy is doing 'better than ever.' It's not appealing to them at all. The hype and rallies and parades of cars aren't doing a thing to sway them. Trump may be playing the long game, but halfway through that long game, he's looking like just another member of the establishment to them, and they're not amused. Those are the people who are going to decide this election, and Trump needs to give them some attention. The people screaming his name in the crowds at the rallies are voting for him anyway. It's the people who aren't showing up to his rallies who are going to decide this election -- the people who haven't voted for years, who didn't register until this year or still haven't registered, the moderates, typically third-party voters, and independents. He's not doing enough to get their attention, and that's going to be to his detriment.

  18. @neutral
    @obwandiyag

    You didn't read the article, the Oligarchy as been paying the Democrats more money for a long time now. The fact that Republicans are still being portrayed as the choice of the Oligarchy is the triumph of their propaganda narrative. The Oligarchy hates Republicans a lot, the fact that the dim witted Republicans still want to pander to the corporations makes them the stupid party, but that does take away the fact that the Democrats are truly the corporate party.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    Neutral, whether ob read the article or not is irrelevant. He has an agenda to push and he’s not going to let little things like facts get in the way of his job.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  19. @LondonBob
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It always surprises me how few people actually earn a six figure income though, admittedly the £$ exchange rate means it is a higher sum in Britain.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/top-five-percent-salary-uk-wealth-tax-rich-average-a9213406.html

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    I believe in the US last I checked you have to be closing in on $200k/year to be in the top 5% of income.

    While that still doesn’t seem huge, it only seems that way because the figures who earn salaries like that are at the top of their fields in typical middle-class careers and thus highly visible. They’re experienced surgeons, lawyers, executives, etc. Lots of people know someone like that in their everyday lives, but far, far fewer people are someone like that.

  20. @obwandiyag
    Really? The Republicans are the sworn enemies of the plutocrats, the oligarchy, the mega-rich, our owners? You really expect anybody to swallow that horse manure?

    Replies: @neutral, @Pop Warner, @Audacious Epigone

    I’m looking for where AE said that but I can’t seem to find it. Is this in some secret paragraph only you can see or are witnessing the full capabilities of the African IQ?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Pop Warner



    Really? The Republicans are the sworn enemies of the plutocrats, the oligarchy, the mega-rich, our owners? You really expect anybody to swallow that horse manure?
     
    I’m looking for where AE said that but I can’t seem to find it. Is this in some secret paragraph only you can see or are witnessing the full capabilities of the African IQ?

     

    Soros pays Obi to say these things. Which is why he opposes the old man's deporation. Who's the real corporate shill?
  21. @Arclight
    The most worrying thing about this graph is Biden getting 40% of the white vote. Trump is toast if that is accurate.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @J.D.

    Trump got 58% of the white vote in 2016. And instead of modestly improving that share (whites are 2/3 of the electorate and a 3% increase is millions of votes) he instead panders to the demographic who hates him and his base the most and only makes up 13% of the electorate. Would a 10% swing in the black vote do more than a 3% swing in the white vote, especially in battleground states? Probably not, and pandering to blacks probably ends up hurting his numbers with Hispanics. I know there was a poll that said his Hispanic numbers are improving but I’ll believe it when I see it

  22. I don’t trust the YouGov polls anymore, they were sort of OK in 2018 but have been getting wackier and wackier since 2020 began. They put Biden’s support almost as high as the ridiculous Quinnipiac polls.

    I don’t expect Trump to flip a lot of black voters, for sure. We’re not stupid here, we know the majority always vote their tribe. But the evidence is clear that he has flipped some, particularly the men, and it doesn’t take a whole lot to seriously weaken the Democrats in swing elections.

    Biden’s electoral prospects rely entirely on a historically unprecedented degree of mail-in fraud, and it doesn’t look like Trump has decided to take that lying down.

  23. Blacks provided Biden his margin of victory in the Democrat Party presidential primary, and Blacks will stick with Obama’s boy Biden in the general election.

    Greedy White Geezers will be the voter cohort that pushes Biden to victory in the general election in the crucial Electoral College states of the Great Lakes and Arizona and Florida.

    The rancid Republican Party will be electorally destroyed in November and then the new political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA will replace the GOP as the opposition party in the USA.

    WHITE CORE AMERICA will promise and pledge to grant each eligible American citizen ten thousand dollars a month through the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP).

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) will pay each American who has all blood ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 a cool ten thousand dollars a month. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank shall work together to conjure up the cash out of thin air, just like the ruling class is doing now.

    Old Stocker Black American citizens will get the PCLP, and ten grand is most likely more than they’re getting now from the government.

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Charles Pewitt


    Old Stocker Black American citizens will get the PCLP, and ten grand is most likely more than they’re getting now from the government.
     
    The presence of blacks in America has never benefited honest men.
    , @Truth
    @Charles Pewitt

    This damn website gets wierder every day.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

  24. Upper Middle Class Whites and Plutocrat Whites are using Blacks as a demographic weapon and a demographic shield to attack and destroy Whites Without College Degrees.

    I wrote this in November of 2019:

    I blame sneaky and shady upper middle class White neoliberal globalizers for using Black disfunction and poor school performance on so-called “racism” or so-called “bad schools” or any other reason but innate intelligence differences between Blacks/Latinos and Whites/Asians.

    And I don’t mean Penelope Cruz when I say Latinos.

    Mestizos and Amerindians and Latinos and Blacks and Mulattos and other Africanized populations have lower IQs than do Whites and Northeastern Asians such as Chinese and Japanese and Koreans.

    Sneaky upper middle class Whites will never admit that Blacks/Latinos have lower IQs on average, because that will take away a demographic weapon that the upper middle class Whites use to pound the Hell out of middle class Whites and lower middle class Whites and regular Whites and underclass Whites.

    The education system scam in the USA has poured trillions of dollars into the bottomless pit of Black disfunction and plenty of upper middle class Whites have been clam raking loot out of that gravy train.

    White Core American Patriots must be clear that Black disfunction and poor school performance and Black boneheadedness is due to genetic factors and inborn, innate ancestral biological reasons, but that White Core America will do its best to advance Black interests and Black achievement by using honest and truthful means.

    Do not for a split second underestimate the evil and immorality of White government workers and White upper middle class neoliberal globalizers when they refuse to honestly discuss Black disfunction and poor Black school performance and test scores of Blacks. These disgusting White cohorts of pure evil and immorality use the innate biological fact of low Black IQ as a weapon to accuse regular Whites of so-called “racism” and to destroy White schools by flooding them with Black disfunction and Black criminality and Black low IQ behaviour and low time preference Black behaviour and Black lack of impulse control.

    White Core America will tell the truth about Black criminality and Black disfunction and the low IQ scores of Blacks and poor school performance of Blacks while helping Blacks do the best they can.

    White Core America will also give each American with all blood ancestors born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 ten thousand dollars a month. Old Stocker Blacks will get that cash and Blacky-come-lately Blacks will be encouraged to exit the USA.

    BRIBE THE BLACKS!

    BRIBE THE WHITE BROADS!

    BRIBE THE WHITE BROADS!

    Imperial Disintegration Demands Voter BRIBERY!

    The hostile Blacks are merciful; the dreaded enemy is the upper middle class Whitey neoliberal globalizers and the White government workers clam raking loot out of Black disfunction.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/average-black-iq-by-state-2019/#comment-3570706

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Charles Pewitt

    I can only read this in the voice of Mr. Plinkett. 👌 ️

    Like so:

    https://youtu.be/KPt1am18lR4?t=111

    , @cynthia curran
    @Charles Pewitt

    So, according to Nate Silver 3rd and more generation Latinos vote more white. Immirgrants and their kids vote more Democratic. Trump does better with young male blacks at 17 percent. Also, Trump does better with young Latino males. So, its somewhat similar to the white grouping. In fact I think Trump picks up more males with degrees than females, since in a recent poll he is 5 percent behind in Virginia but a whopping 11 percent in Nevada. Nevada has grown a lot in black population from California besides the Latinos. The interesting thing is Trump does better in more college educated Virginia than less college educated Nevada. This means most of the college educated against Trump i are women and not men.

  25. @Charles Pewitt
    Upper Middle Class Whites and Plutocrat Whites are using Blacks as a demographic weapon and a demographic shield to attack and destroy Whites Without College Degrees.

    I wrote this in November of 2019:

    I blame sneaky and shady upper middle class White neoliberal globalizers for using Black disfunction and poor school performance on so-called “racism” or so-called “bad schools” or any other reason but innate intelligence differences between Blacks/Latinos and Whites/Asians.

     


    And I don’t mean Penelope Cruz when I say Latinos.

     


    Mestizos and Amerindians and Latinos and Blacks and Mulattos and other Africanized populations have lower IQs than do Whites and Northeastern Asians such as Chinese and Japanese and Koreans.

     


    Sneaky upper middle class Whites will never admit that Blacks/Latinos have lower IQs on average, because that will take away a demographic weapon that the upper middle class Whites use to pound the Hell out of middle class Whites and lower middle class Whites and regular Whites and underclass Whites.

     


    The education system scam in the USA has poured trillions of dollars into the bottomless pit of Black disfunction and plenty of upper middle class Whites have been clam raking loot out of that gravy train.

     


    White Core American Patriots must be clear that Black disfunction and poor school performance and Black boneheadedness is due to genetic factors and inborn, innate ancestral biological reasons, but that White Core America will do its best to advance Black interests and Black achievement by using honest and truthful means.

     


    Do not for a split second underestimate the evil and immorality of White government workers and White upper middle class neoliberal globalizers when they refuse to honestly discuss Black disfunction and poor Black school performance and test scores of Blacks. These disgusting White cohorts of pure evil and immorality use the innate biological fact of low Black IQ as a weapon to accuse regular Whites of so-called “racism” and to destroy White schools by flooding them with Black disfunction and Black criminality and Black low IQ behaviour and low time preference Black behaviour and Black lack of impulse control.

     


    White Core America will tell the truth about Black criminality and Black disfunction and the low IQ scores of Blacks and poor school performance of Blacks while helping Blacks do the best they can.

     


    White Core America will also give each American with all blood ancestors born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 ten thousand dollars a month. Old Stocker Blacks will get that cash and Blacky-come-lately Blacks will be encouraged to exit the USA.

     


    BRIBE THE BLACKS!

     


    BRIBE THE WHITE BROADS!

     


    BRIBE THE WHITE BROADS!

     


    Imperial Disintegration Demands Voter BRIBERY!

     


    The hostile Blacks are merciful; the dreaded enemy is the upper middle class Whitey neoliberal globalizers and the White government workers clam raking loot out of Black disfunction.

     

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/average-black-iq-by-state-2019/#comment-3570706

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/659346647915352064?s=20

    Replies: @El Dato, @cynthia curran

    I can only read this in the voice of Mr. Plinkett. 👌 ️

    Like so:

  26. No. Tried to get the old folks back. Trump open his big mouth about deferring the payroll taxes permanently and is now behind in Florida and Pa which both have old folks populations. These old folks think Trump is ding to get rid of social security. Trump is now doing better in Texas since it has less old people even though it has more minorities than Pa, Michigan, or Wisconsin.

  27. @Charles Pewitt
    Upper Middle Class Whites and Plutocrat Whites are using Blacks as a demographic weapon and a demographic shield to attack and destroy Whites Without College Degrees.

    I wrote this in November of 2019:

    I blame sneaky and shady upper middle class White neoliberal globalizers for using Black disfunction and poor school performance on so-called “racism” or so-called “bad schools” or any other reason but innate intelligence differences between Blacks/Latinos and Whites/Asians.

     


    And I don’t mean Penelope Cruz when I say Latinos.

     


    Mestizos and Amerindians and Latinos and Blacks and Mulattos and other Africanized populations have lower IQs than do Whites and Northeastern Asians such as Chinese and Japanese and Koreans.

     


    Sneaky upper middle class Whites will never admit that Blacks/Latinos have lower IQs on average, because that will take away a demographic weapon that the upper middle class Whites use to pound the Hell out of middle class Whites and lower middle class Whites and regular Whites and underclass Whites.

     


    The education system scam in the USA has poured trillions of dollars into the bottomless pit of Black disfunction and plenty of upper middle class Whites have been clam raking loot out of that gravy train.

     


    White Core American Patriots must be clear that Black disfunction and poor school performance and Black boneheadedness is due to genetic factors and inborn, innate ancestral biological reasons, but that White Core America will do its best to advance Black interests and Black achievement by using honest and truthful means.

     


    Do not for a split second underestimate the evil and immorality of White government workers and White upper middle class neoliberal globalizers when they refuse to honestly discuss Black disfunction and poor Black school performance and test scores of Blacks. These disgusting White cohorts of pure evil and immorality use the innate biological fact of low Black IQ as a weapon to accuse regular Whites of so-called “racism” and to destroy White schools by flooding them with Black disfunction and Black criminality and Black low IQ behaviour and low time preference Black behaviour and Black lack of impulse control.

     


    White Core America will tell the truth about Black criminality and Black disfunction and the low IQ scores of Blacks and poor school performance of Blacks while helping Blacks do the best they can.

     


    White Core America will also give each American with all blood ancestors born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 ten thousand dollars a month. Old Stocker Blacks will get that cash and Blacky-come-lately Blacks will be encouraged to exit the USA.

     


    BRIBE THE BLACKS!

     


    BRIBE THE WHITE BROADS!

     


    BRIBE THE WHITE BROADS!

     


    Imperial Disintegration Demands Voter BRIBERY!

     


    The hostile Blacks are merciful; the dreaded enemy is the upper middle class Whitey neoliberal globalizers and the White government workers clam raking loot out of Black disfunction.

     

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/average-black-iq-by-state-2019/#comment-3570706

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/659346647915352064?s=20

    Replies: @El Dato, @cynthia curran

    So, according to Nate Silver 3rd and more generation Latinos vote more white. Immirgrants and their kids vote more Democratic. Trump does better with young male blacks at 17 percent. Also, Trump does better with young Latino males. So, its somewhat similar to the white grouping. In fact I think Trump picks up more males with degrees than females, since in a recent poll he is 5 percent behind in Virginia but a whopping 11 percent in Nevada. Nevada has grown a lot in black population from California besides the Latinos. The interesting thing is Trump does better in more college educated Virginia than less college educated Nevada. This means most of the college educated against Trump i are women and not men.

  28. • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  29. @neutral
    @dfordoom

    It can easily be argued that 95% of the Democrats are also vicious swine, this means that the vast majority of the population votes for swine all the time. The truth is that the vast majority of Americans are swines, one cannot excuse this if they keep voting for these same people for decades. No salvation is possible for such a corrupted and awful society, the best to ask for is to see its complete demise.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

    The truth is that the vast majority of Americans are swines….

    For information, are you American? (Or Canadian?)

    I ask because I am American and prefer my country, on principle, to be disliked abroad; so if you are a foreigner then I would not dissuade you. However, if you are indeed American: are most Americans you know not decent, normal, considerate and reasonably kind?

    If they are not, then I wish that you knew the Americans I know. You may have fallen in with a bad lot.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    are most Americans you know not decent, normal, considerate and reasonably kind?
     
    For the most part Americans are pretty good people. As a nation the United States is the most malign dangerous and genuinely evil national entity in the world today. But Americans are nice people.

    Americans just have to give up the idea that the U.S. has a God-given mission to rule the world. The U.S. needs to revert to isolationism and stop minding everybody else's business.

    And America needs to stop exporting its cultural filth and its bizarre ideologies to the rest of the world. But that's not the fault of ordinary Americans. That cultural filth and those bizarre ideologies were not created by ordinary Americans. They harm ordinary Americans as well.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @songbird

  30. @iffen
    @dfordoom

    You really believe the GOP has any interest in achieving the economic and cultural salvation of America?

    Gawd! Do you keep in mind what I say in my comments, or do you wake up in a new world every day that you read a comment by me? Why would you try to stick me with thinking such tedious nonsense? I don’t believe the elites in any party give a damn about ordinary Americans. I just haven’t given up complete hope on the electoral process. I just made an observation about what I think is the utilitarian value of using political power for the betterment of the citizens. In the U. S., it would be easier (but still quite unlikely) for iffen and other like minded, clear thinking people to seize control of the GOP and use it as a political force to accomplish certain goals.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    In the U. S., it would be easier (but still quite unlikely) for iffen and other like minded, clear thinking people to seize control of the GOP and use it as a political force to accomplish certain goals.

    Good luck with that.

  31. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    the distinct interests of the white Gentile citizenry

    And those distinct interests would be:?

    So can we finally lay to rest the tired notion that the Republican Party should do more to earn the black vote?

    No we cannot.

    If the GOP can permanent exorcize the Romney wing, and pick up a few % points of support from blacks, Hispanics and other ethnic and racial groups, it could electorally achieve the economic and cultural salvation of America.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @V. K. Ovelund

    And those distinct interests would be:?

    No people owes an explanation for wishing to live in dignity in its own territory among its own kind according to its own conception of life without undue meddling by others. No further rationale is needed.

    White Gentile Americans are increasingly denied such a life, and are badgered, hectored and insulted for desiring it. Read Rudyard Kipling’s one-page poem, “The Stranger.”

    • Replies: @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    No further rationale is needed.

    I fail to see how your position differs from that of people like Terry McAuliffe.

    Who? Whom?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  32. @neutral
    @dfordoom

    It can easily be argued that 95% of the Democrats are also vicious swine, this means that the vast majority of the population votes for swine all the time. The truth is that the vast majority of Americans are swines, one cannot excuse this if they keep voting for these same people for decades. No salvation is possible for such a corrupted and awful society, the best to ask for is to see its complete demise.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

    It can easily be argued that 95% of the Democrats are also vicious swine

    I wouldn’t deny that.

    this means that the vast majority of the population votes for swine all the time.

    That’s how democracy works. Isn’t it awesome?

    The average person has zero understanding of complex issues. There’s no reason why ordinary people should understand how the economy works, or the subtle nuances of international diplomacy, or any of the other issues that government has to deal with. Those things are not relevant to the lives of ordinary people.

    The ultimate lunacy is televised political debates. It’s such a great idea to vote for the candidate who is the most attractive TV personality. Or the most effective liar.

    Ordinary people are mostly not swine but because they don’t understand complex issues they end up voting for candidates who tell them what they want to hear (Make America Great Again!), or make enticing promises (free money!), or pander to their basest prejudices (the Evil Chinese Commies or the Evil Russkies are out to get us!).

    I find it difficult to understand how anyone could ever have believed that democracy was a good idea. It’s been given a fair trial and it’s failed dismally. But we’re stuck with it because if you question it you’re either an Evil Fascist or an Evil Commie.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
    @dfordoom


    The average person has zero understanding of complex issues.
     
    “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

    I find it difficult to understand how anyone could ever have believed that democracy was a good idea. It’s been given a fair trial and it’s failed dismally.
     
    "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time... "

    But we’re stuck with it because if you question it you’re either an Evil Fascist or an Evil Commie.
     
    So, what's your alternative?

    Because really you are only left with three other alternatives: a dictatorship, an aristocracy, a democracy or some mixture of all three.

    Dictatorships can be effective if you have some philosopher king handing at orders to everyone from the top of his perch. But what are the chances of getting someone there who is both benevolent and wise. You're more likely to get Joe Stalin or Mao Zedong than you are Tito Broz.

    You could also limit the franchise and have rule by a hereditary aristocracy, like the Britons did pre-Reform Act. That would take away the "idiocracy" element from your politics. But then you risk having them rig the system in their favor, or ignore the wishes of the lower classes and the unrepresented. Or maybe if your educated class is super pozzed, like it is now, you wouldn't much like having them lord it over you unfettered.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  33. @Pop Warner
    @obwandiyag

    I'm looking for where AE said that but I can't seem to find it. Is this in some secret paragraph only you can see or are witnessing the full capabilities of the African IQ?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Really? The Republicans are the sworn enemies of the plutocrats, the oligarchy, the mega-rich, our owners? You really expect anybody to swallow that horse manure?

    I’m looking for where AE said that but I can’t seem to find it. Is this in some secret paragraph only you can see or are witnessing the full capabilities of the African IQ?

    Soros pays Obi to say these things. Which is why he opposes the old man’s deporation. Who’s the real corporate shill?

  34. @Charles Pewitt
    Blacks provided Biden his margin of victory in the Democrat Party presidential primary, and Blacks will stick with Obama's boy Biden in the general election.

    Greedy White Geezers will be the voter cohort that pushes Biden to victory in the general election in the crucial Electoral College states of the Great Lakes and Arizona and Florida.

    The rancid Republican Party will be electorally destroyed in November and then the new political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA will replace the GOP as the opposition party in the USA.

    WHITE CORE AMERICA will promise and pledge to grant each eligible American citizen ten thousand dollars a month through the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP).

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) will pay each American who has all blood ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 a cool ten thousand dollars a month. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank shall work together to conjure up the cash out of thin air, just like the ruling class is doing now.

    Old Stocker Black American citizens will get the PCLP, and ten grand is most likely more than they're getting now from the government.

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/559862580010037248?s=20

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Truth

    Old Stocker Black American citizens will get the PCLP, and ten grand is most likely more than they’re getting now from the government.

    The presence of blacks in America has never benefited honest men.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  35. @V. K. Ovelund
    @neutral


    The truth is that the vast majority of Americans are swines....
     
    For information, are you American? (Or Canadian?)

    I ask because I am American and prefer my country, on principle, to be disliked abroad; so if you are a foreigner then I would not dissuade you. However, if you are indeed American: are most Americans you know not decent, normal, considerate and reasonably kind?

    If they are not, then I wish that you knew the Americans I know. You may have fallen in with a bad lot.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    are most Americans you know not decent, normal, considerate and reasonably kind?

    For the most part Americans are pretty good people. As a nation the United States is the most malign dangerous and genuinely evil national entity in the world today. But Americans are nice people.

    Americans just have to give up the idea that the U.S. has a God-given mission to rule the world. The U.S. needs to revert to isolationism and stop minding everybody else’s business.

    And America needs to stop exporting its cultural filth and its bizarre ideologies to the rest of the world. But that’s not the fault of ordinary Americans. That cultural filth and those bizarre ideologies were not created by ordinary Americans. They harm ordinary Americans as well.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom


    Americans just have to give up the idea that the U.S. has a God-given mission to rule the world. The U.S. needs to revert to isolationism and stop minding everybody else’s business.
     
    I have decided to vote @dfordoom for U.S. president in November. His platform is what I want.

    But can he deliver the annual State of the Union address in an accent Congress can understand?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @songbird
    @dfordoom

    I favor a rational level of isolationism. As far as I am concerned, most countries should not have embassies in the US, and we should not have embassies in their countries either.

    But this is not an American progressive value. They value the idea that people are malleable and can be educated, or otherwise influenced into a better future. They don't believe in the idea of innately unsolvable problems. And to them, it seems the US has the wealth and power to solve other people's problems.

    Politicians, whether Democrats or Republicans, are overwhelmingly progressive. Arguably, whatever their natural inclination, they have to be in order to navigate the minefield of political correctness. This does not even touch upon the problem of the natural inclinations of bureaucrats - the CIA has always been a very progressive organization, as has the Department of State. That is why all these embassies are flying the rainbow flag, or even worse.

    Isolationism is impossible as long as the US continues to be a diverse society. The best one can hope for is multilateralism, or the diminution of America's ability to project power. Naturally, the latter is an unpleasant scenario for many Americans (such as myself) to contemplate because it probably means trouble at home.

  36. Oh please. The reason that the Democrats attract more corporate money, is because the large business sector still feels like they don’t already own the (D)s lock, stock and barrel.

    The fact that they don’t feel any need to buy Republicans, is because it would be wasted money: they know that the (R) side of the false dichotomy is already in the bag.

    You don’t have to buy something you already own.

    As y’all will be aware, this is not my ‘partisan’ view, since I hate them all with an adamantine passion, the darkness of which cannot be overstated. The Khmer Rouge would look like pikers compared to what I would do to the political class, given the opportunity.

    My preferred outcome would be that every political aspirant contracts a haemorrhagic fever that makes them die in agony, shitting out their own entrails, live on TV. Same for their apparatchiki, and all the Little Eichmanns who live at the expense of the demos.

    That’s what ought to happen to people who want to rule other people, and those who aid or abet them.

  37. @LondonBob
    Is Trump actually doing much better with Hispanics, on this not much change? Seems more likely they will do what blacks did last time out, and not bother voting mostly.

    Interesting income distribution, high and low against the middle, I can only assume that the retired are absent so explaining how Trump trails in all three categories.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @botazefa

    Is Trump actually doing much better with Hispanics, on this not much change?

    yes, I think so.

    Hispanics don’t like Black people. They don’t want to be called ‘people of color.’

    They also may not do much voting, so…

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @botazefa

    I saw a recent poll where Hispanics actually had the lowest approval of Black Lives Matter. Approval was something like 31% Hispanic, 35% white and 68% black with approval down in all groups, even blacks.

    I recently have been reading a lot about how Hispanics don't like to be classified as "People of Color". They hate it which is funny because Democrats thought they would love it. I have mentioned before I live in a heavily Hispanic city. I know Hispanics well and my strong sense is most do not carry a racial chip on their shoulder the way many blacks do. They think of themselves as people who happen to be Hispanic. "People of color" defines them by the color of their skin above all else and I can easily understand why that turns them off.

    Even if they don't like BLM, being called people of color etc. they will still vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. The fact is Hispanics are as economically liberal as anyone and many do collect handouts. Rush Limbaugh once said they are voting for Santa Claus. That pretty much sums it up. Despite this strong preference for economic liberalism many will not vote as Hispanics have notoriously low voter turnout. Bernie Sanders could have brought out record Hispanic turnout, Joe Biden not so much.

  38. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    are most Americans you know not decent, normal, considerate and reasonably kind?
     
    For the most part Americans are pretty good people. As a nation the United States is the most malign dangerous and genuinely evil national entity in the world today. But Americans are nice people.

    Americans just have to give up the idea that the U.S. has a God-given mission to rule the world. The U.S. needs to revert to isolationism and stop minding everybody else's business.

    And America needs to stop exporting its cultural filth and its bizarre ideologies to the rest of the world. But that's not the fault of ordinary Americans. That cultural filth and those bizarre ideologies were not created by ordinary Americans. They harm ordinary Americans as well.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @songbird

    Americans just have to give up the idea that the U.S. has a God-given mission to rule the world. The U.S. needs to revert to isolationism and stop minding everybody else’s business.

    I have decided to vote for U.S. president in November. His platform is what I want.

    But can he deliver the annual State of the Union address in an accent Congress can understand?

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I have decided to vote @dfordoom for U.S. president in November. His platform is what I want.

    But can he deliver the annual State of the Union address in an accent Congress can understand?
     
    No problem. My first act as president will be to teach Americans to speak properly. And to spell properly. There'll be a simple spelling test for congressmen. If they can't spell words like colour properly they're out.

    Replies: @iffen, @Audacious Epigone

  39. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    are most Americans you know not decent, normal, considerate and reasonably kind?
     
    For the most part Americans are pretty good people. As a nation the United States is the most malign dangerous and genuinely evil national entity in the world today. But Americans are nice people.

    Americans just have to give up the idea that the U.S. has a God-given mission to rule the world. The U.S. needs to revert to isolationism and stop minding everybody else's business.

    And America needs to stop exporting its cultural filth and its bizarre ideologies to the rest of the world. But that's not the fault of ordinary Americans. That cultural filth and those bizarre ideologies were not created by ordinary Americans. They harm ordinary Americans as well.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @songbird

    I favor a rational level of isolationism. As far as I am concerned, most countries should not have embassies in the US, and we should not have embassies in their countries either.

    But this is not an American progressive value. They value the idea that people are malleable and can be educated, or otherwise influenced into a better future. They don’t believe in the idea of innately unsolvable problems. And to them, it seems the US has the wealth and power to solve other people’s problems.

    Politicians, whether Democrats or Republicans, are overwhelmingly progressive. Arguably, whatever their natural inclination, they have to be in order to navigate the minefield of political correctness. This does not even touch upon the problem of the natural inclinations of bureaucrats – the CIA has always been a very progressive organization, as has the Department of State. That is why all these embassies are flying the rainbow flag, or even worse.

    Isolationism is impossible as long as the US continues to be a diverse society. The best one can hope for is multilateralism, or the diminution of America’s ability to project power. Naturally, the latter is an unpleasant scenario for many Americans (such as myself) to contemplate because it probably means trouble at home.

  40. If Trump wins it will be because people see Trump working his ass off while Biden had to take two days off after walking from the car to the podium and back after a 10 minute speech. Anybody who pays even minimal attention can see that Biden isn’t fit for the job. Given how stupid most Americans are, you can never know.

  41. Yahya K. says:
    @dfordoom
    @neutral


    It can easily be argued that 95% of the Democrats are also vicious swine
     
    I wouldn't deny that.

    this means that the vast majority of the population votes for swine all the time.
     
    That's how democracy works. Isn't it awesome?

    The average person has zero understanding of complex issues. There's no reason why ordinary people should understand how the economy works, or the subtle nuances of international diplomacy, or any of the other issues that government has to deal with. Those things are not relevant to the lives of ordinary people.

    The ultimate lunacy is televised political debates. It's such a great idea to vote for the candidate who is the most attractive TV personality. Or the most effective liar.

    Ordinary people are mostly not swine but because they don't understand complex issues they end up voting for candidates who tell them what they want to hear (Make America Great Again!), or make enticing promises (free money!), or pander to their basest prejudices (the Evil Chinese Commies or the Evil Russkies are out to get us!).

    I find it difficult to understand how anyone could ever have believed that democracy was a good idea. It's been given a fair trial and it's failed dismally. But we're stuck with it because if you question it you're either an Evil Fascist or an Evil Commie.

    Replies: @Yahya K.

    The average person has zero understanding of complex issues.

    “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

    I find it difficult to understand how anyone could ever have believed that democracy was a good idea. It’s been given a fair trial and it’s failed dismally.

    “Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time… “

    But we’re stuck with it because if you question it you’re either an Evil Fascist or an Evil Commie.

    So, what’s your alternative?

    Because really you are only left with three other alternatives: a dictatorship, an aristocracy, a democracy or some mixture of all three.

    Dictatorships can be effective if you have some philosopher king handing at orders to everyone from the top of his perch. But what are the chances of getting someone there who is both benevolent and wise. You’re more likely to get Joe Stalin or Mao Zedong than you are Tito Broz.

    You could also limit the franchise and have rule by a hereditary aristocracy, like the Britons did pre-Reform Act. That would take away the “idiocracy” element from your politics. But then you risk having them rig the system in their favor, or ignore the wishes of the lower classes and the unrepresented. Or maybe if your educated class is super pozzed, like it is now, you wouldn’t much like having them lord it over you unfettered.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Yahya K.


    So, what’s your alternative?

    Because really you are only left with three other alternatives: a dictatorship, an aristocracy, a democracy or some mixture of all three.
     
    You can't go backwards. And there's no point in trying political systems that worked at one time but won't work in a modern society.

    There are however lots of ways that democracy could be radically reformed. Ban political donations for starters (eliminate the donorocracy). Ban political parties.

    Alternatively, eliminate the winner-take-all element in elections. If Party A gets 50% of the vote they get 50% of the Cabinet posts, if Party B gets 30% of the vote they get 30% of Cabinet posts, if Party C and Party D each get 10% of the vote they each get 10% of the Cabinet posts. The position of president or prime minister could be rotated between the leaders of the parties that get more than a certain proportion of the vote (say 20%).

    There are other options, such as direct democracy (all legislation has to be approved by referendum). There would be problems with that, but there are problems with representative democracy.

    Make campaign promises binding. You don't keep your campaign promises you get automatically removed from office.

    Make Cabinets meaningful. All decisions have to be approved by a formal vote of Cabinet members.

    If Supreme Court judges want to act like they're politicians, have them elected by the voters. You want a nine-member Supreme Court then you put up a slate of candidates. The nine candidates who get the most votes get Supreme Court spots.

    There are plenty of options. The first step is to admit that the current system is broken and that radical changes are needed.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

  42. @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom


    Americans just have to give up the idea that the U.S. has a God-given mission to rule the world. The U.S. needs to revert to isolationism and stop minding everybody else’s business.
     
    I have decided to vote @dfordoom for U.S. president in November. His platform is what I want.

    But can he deliver the annual State of the Union address in an accent Congress can understand?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I have decided to vote for U.S. president in November. His platform is what I want.

    But can he deliver the annual State of the Union address in an accent Congress can understand?

    No problem. My first act as president will be to teach Americans to speak properly. And to spell properly. There’ll be a simple spelling test for congressmen. If they can’t spell words like colour properly they’re out.

    • LOL: Yahya K.
    • Replies: @iffen
    @dfordoom

    Negro, colored, black, people of color, Black, people of colour

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @dfordoom

    So we can go ahead and ditch the letter "z" altogether then, right?

    Replies: @dfordoom

  43. @Yahya K.
    @dfordoom


    The average person has zero understanding of complex issues.
     
    “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

    I find it difficult to understand how anyone could ever have believed that democracy was a good idea. It’s been given a fair trial and it’s failed dismally.
     
    "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time... "

    But we’re stuck with it because if you question it you’re either an Evil Fascist or an Evil Commie.
     
    So, what's your alternative?

    Because really you are only left with three other alternatives: a dictatorship, an aristocracy, a democracy or some mixture of all three.

    Dictatorships can be effective if you have some philosopher king handing at orders to everyone from the top of his perch. But what are the chances of getting someone there who is both benevolent and wise. You're more likely to get Joe Stalin or Mao Zedong than you are Tito Broz.

    You could also limit the franchise and have rule by a hereditary aristocracy, like the Britons did pre-Reform Act. That would take away the "idiocracy" element from your politics. But then you risk having them rig the system in their favor, or ignore the wishes of the lower classes and the unrepresented. Or maybe if your educated class is super pozzed, like it is now, you wouldn't much like having them lord it over you unfettered.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    So, what’s your alternative?

    Because really you are only left with three other alternatives: a dictatorship, an aristocracy, a democracy or some mixture of all three.

    You can’t go backwards. And there’s no point in trying political systems that worked at one time but won’t work in a modern society.

    There are however lots of ways that democracy could be radically reformed. Ban political donations for starters (eliminate the donorocracy). Ban political parties.

    Alternatively, eliminate the winner-take-all element in elections. If Party A gets 50% of the vote they get 50% of the Cabinet posts, if Party B gets 30% of the vote they get 30% of Cabinet posts, if Party C and Party D each get 10% of the vote they each get 10% of the Cabinet posts. The position of president or prime minister could be rotated between the leaders of the parties that get more than a certain proportion of the vote (say 20%).

    There are other options, such as direct democracy (all legislation has to be approved by referendum). There would be problems with that, but there are problems with representative democracy.

    Make campaign promises binding. You don’t keep your campaign promises you get automatically removed from office.

    Make Cabinets meaningful. All decisions have to be approved by a formal vote of Cabinet members.

    If Supreme Court judges want to act like they’re politicians, have them elected by the voters. You want a nine-member Supreme Court then you put up a slate of candidates. The nine candidates who get the most votes get Supreme Court spots.

    There are plenty of options. The first step is to admit that the current system is broken and that radical changes are needed.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @dfordoom

    This public service announcement was brought to your right-wing fantasy land by dfordoom.

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom


    You can’t go backwards.
     
    Sure you can, more or less. Just go backward.

    A moderate retrenchment would be wise.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @iffen
    @dfordoom

    You can’t go backwards.

    Well, this will come as a big relief for Dark Age Europeans.

    Seriously, I agree with you. We can't go back to empire or monarchy. We can't give up our meta-identities and return to pristine race, ethnicity or religious ones.

  44. @Charles Pewitt
    Blacks provided Biden his margin of victory in the Democrat Party presidential primary, and Blacks will stick with Obama's boy Biden in the general election.

    Greedy White Geezers will be the voter cohort that pushes Biden to victory in the general election in the crucial Electoral College states of the Great Lakes and Arizona and Florida.

    The rancid Republican Party will be electorally destroyed in November and then the new political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA will replace the GOP as the opposition party in the USA.

    WHITE CORE AMERICA will promise and pledge to grant each eligible American citizen ten thousand dollars a month through the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP).

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) will pay each American who has all blood ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 a cool ten thousand dollars a month. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank shall work together to conjure up the cash out of thin air, just like the ruling class is doing now.

    Old Stocker Black American citizens will get the PCLP, and ten grand is most likely more than they're getting now from the government.

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/559862580010037248?s=20

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Truth

    This damn website gets wierder every day.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Truth

    Mr. Truth says:

    This damn website gets wierder every day.

    The Weird Sisters say:

    Double, double, toil and trouble;
    Fire burn and cauldron bubble.

  45. @Buzz Mohawk
    @LondonBob


    Interesting income distribution, high and low against the middle...
     
    That is how things are arrayed now in the US. Our middle class is disappearing, as we descend into a sharply-stratified, two-class society of rich and poor -- what most of the rest of the world has always been.

    This is history's way of regressing toward the mean. Having a middle-class majority was an aberration.

    This middle includes most of the skilled workers who actually contribute and earn their incomes. They don't get much free stuff, and they aren't getting any respect.

    It should be noted too, that a bracket of "$100k+" that extends to infinity is a very broad category. In many locales, an income of $100k is middle class and barely enough or not enough to own a home.

    There are two welfare classes in America: the very poor and the very rich. Both get money for doing nothing. If you've ever lived in a great spot where lots of trust fund babies live and receive free incomes from the family fortune, you know what I mean. It's easy to vote Left when you have no worries and you don't have to work.

    What puzzles me, though, is why so many rich and high-income people vote for a party that likes to tax them. Maybe they're just stupid, or maybe they can so easily afford it that they don't care.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @planta rosa productions XL, @indocon

    They’re not Jews like you who get their panties in a bunch because they lost 3% of their income.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @planta rosa productions XL


    They’re not Jews like you who get their panties in a bunch because they lost 3% of their income.
     
    I will take that as a compliment. My paternal grandfather was Jewish, according to family lore, but he died when I was 9 years old, and our family never paid much attention to religion or ethnicity.

    I am pleased that you think I am one of those people who as a cohort have the highest IQ on the planet, who are represented among the American rich and powerful far beyond their numbers, and who have the gift of gab as much as I do.

    Whether your claim is even 1/4 true or not, I gladly accept it, and I honestly do not even know or care. The other 3/4 of my ancestry is Protestant and Northwestern European.

    This does not mean that I agree with what some Jews have done or are doing to my country. I do not. You will find me making wisecracks about them and criticizing them regularly here. Honestly, I think of them as just Eastern Europeans like my wife (a Protestant who sometimes gets mistaken for a Jew.) I think the whole "Jew" thing is nothing but bullshit, a self-serving party that my wife and I could crash any time we wanted to. We are smart enough, especially her.

    But I do get upset any time I notice that somebody is stealing 3% of my money, or even less. You should too.

  46. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I have decided to vote @dfordoom for U.S. president in November. His platform is what I want.

    But can he deliver the annual State of the Union address in an accent Congress can understand?
     
    No problem. My first act as president will be to teach Americans to speak properly. And to spell properly. There'll be a simple spelling test for congressmen. If they can't spell words like colour properly they're out.

    Replies: @iffen, @Audacious Epigone

    Negro, colored, black, people of color, Black, people of colour

  47. @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    And those distinct interests would be:?
     
    No people owes an explanation for wishing to live in dignity in its own territory among its own kind according to its own conception of life without undue meddling by others. No further rationale is needed.

    White Gentile Americans are increasingly denied such a life, and are badgered, hectored and insulted for desiring it. Read Rudyard Kipling's one-page poem, “The Stranger.”

    Replies: @iffen

    No further rationale is needed.

    I fail to see how your position differs from that of people like Terry McAuliffe.

    Who? Whom?

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    I fail to see how your position differs from that of people like Terry McAuliffe.

    Who? Whom?
     

    Aha, I see where you're coming from. Makes sense, within that framework.

    I am antiuniversalist and doubt that McAuliffe would find Kipling interesting. Did you read the poem? If not the poem, then try the preamble to the United States Constitution. That's pretty good, too, as long as the entire preamble is read as a unit, with no phrases lightly skipped over.

    If the last is too concise for clarity, then try Federalist No. 2; or, if long-form poetry is preferred, then McAuliffe's Macaulay's “Horatius.”

    You need not read any of these, of course, if you do not wish to; but I am unable to explain myself better than these do.

    Replies: @iffen

  48. @dfordoom
    @Yahya K.


    So, what’s your alternative?

    Because really you are only left with three other alternatives: a dictatorship, an aristocracy, a democracy or some mixture of all three.
     
    You can't go backwards. And there's no point in trying political systems that worked at one time but won't work in a modern society.

    There are however lots of ways that democracy could be radically reformed. Ban political donations for starters (eliminate the donorocracy). Ban political parties.

    Alternatively, eliminate the winner-take-all element in elections. If Party A gets 50% of the vote they get 50% of the Cabinet posts, if Party B gets 30% of the vote they get 30% of Cabinet posts, if Party C and Party D each get 10% of the vote they each get 10% of the Cabinet posts. The position of president or prime minister could be rotated between the leaders of the parties that get more than a certain proportion of the vote (say 20%).

    There are other options, such as direct democracy (all legislation has to be approved by referendum). There would be problems with that, but there are problems with representative democracy.

    Make campaign promises binding. You don't keep your campaign promises you get automatically removed from office.

    Make Cabinets meaningful. All decisions have to be approved by a formal vote of Cabinet members.

    If Supreme Court judges want to act like they're politicians, have them elected by the voters. You want a nine-member Supreme Court then you put up a slate of candidates. The nine candidates who get the most votes get Supreme Court spots.

    There are plenty of options. The first step is to admit that the current system is broken and that radical changes are needed.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

    This public service announcement was brought to your right-wing fantasy land by dfordoom.

  49. @dfordoom
    @Yahya K.


    So, what’s your alternative?

    Because really you are only left with three other alternatives: a dictatorship, an aristocracy, a democracy or some mixture of all three.
     
    You can't go backwards. And there's no point in trying political systems that worked at one time but won't work in a modern society.

    There are however lots of ways that democracy could be radically reformed. Ban political donations for starters (eliminate the donorocracy). Ban political parties.

    Alternatively, eliminate the winner-take-all element in elections. If Party A gets 50% of the vote they get 50% of the Cabinet posts, if Party B gets 30% of the vote they get 30% of Cabinet posts, if Party C and Party D each get 10% of the vote they each get 10% of the Cabinet posts. The position of president or prime minister could be rotated between the leaders of the parties that get more than a certain proportion of the vote (say 20%).

    There are other options, such as direct democracy (all legislation has to be approved by referendum). There would be problems with that, but there are problems with representative democracy.

    Make campaign promises binding. You don't keep your campaign promises you get automatically removed from office.

    Make Cabinets meaningful. All decisions have to be approved by a formal vote of Cabinet members.

    If Supreme Court judges want to act like they're politicians, have them elected by the voters. You want a nine-member Supreme Court then you put up a slate of candidates. The nine candidates who get the most votes get Supreme Court spots.

    There are plenty of options. The first step is to admit that the current system is broken and that radical changes are needed.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

    You can’t go backwards.

    Sure you can, more or less. Just go backward.

    A moderate retrenchment would be wise.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund



    You can’t go backwards.
     
    Sure you can, more or less. Just go backward.

    A moderate retrenchment would be wise.
     
    You can't go backward because certain economic, social and technological conditions have changed irreversibly. What works in an agrarian society won't work in an urbanised society. What works in a Christian society won't work in a secular society. What works in a society without mass media won't work in a society with mass media. What works in a society of small farmers and small tradesmen won't work in a world of mega-corporations.

    You cannot avoid change. The trick is to ensure that there is some control and some coherent rational direction to the changes. Change for the sake of change is bad but adaptation to changing circumstances is good.

    Social conservatives and economic leftists have lost because they have not adapted.
  50. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    No further rationale is needed.

    I fail to see how your position differs from that of people like Terry McAuliffe.

    Who? Whom?

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    I fail to see how your position differs from that of people like Terry McAuliffe.

    Who? Whom?

    Aha, I see where you’re coming from. Makes sense, within that framework.

    I am antiuniversalist and doubt that McAuliffe would find Kipling interesting. Did you read the poem? If not the poem, then try the preamble to the United States Constitution. That’s pretty good, too, as long as the entire preamble is read as a unit, with no phrases lightly skipped over.

    If the last is too concise for clarity, then try Federalist No. 2; or, if long-form poetry is preferred, then McAuliffe’s Macaulay’s “Horatius.”

    You need not read any of these, of course, if you do not wish to; but I am unable to explain myself better than these do.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Did you read the poem?

    Yes, I did.

    It all depends upon the interpretation of the words. We have to agree on what they mean. As a great President (I forget which one) once said, “"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is.” Kipling writes: But he does not talk my talk—, so I think that he understands this. Or, perhaps, taking the whole of the poem, it could be interpreted as his disapproval and rejection of the concept of the British Empire. But I doubt that was his view.

    Speaking of words, I compliment you on one point, VK, you give the lie to the term "rabid anti-Semite."

    Replies: @dfordoom

  51. @dfordoom
    @Yahya K.


    So, what’s your alternative?

    Because really you are only left with three other alternatives: a dictatorship, an aristocracy, a democracy or some mixture of all three.
     
    You can't go backwards. And there's no point in trying political systems that worked at one time but won't work in a modern society.

    There are however lots of ways that democracy could be radically reformed. Ban political donations for starters (eliminate the donorocracy). Ban political parties.

    Alternatively, eliminate the winner-take-all element in elections. If Party A gets 50% of the vote they get 50% of the Cabinet posts, if Party B gets 30% of the vote they get 30% of Cabinet posts, if Party C and Party D each get 10% of the vote they each get 10% of the Cabinet posts. The position of president or prime minister could be rotated between the leaders of the parties that get more than a certain proportion of the vote (say 20%).

    There are other options, such as direct democracy (all legislation has to be approved by referendum). There would be problems with that, but there are problems with representative democracy.

    Make campaign promises binding. You don't keep your campaign promises you get automatically removed from office.

    Make Cabinets meaningful. All decisions have to be approved by a formal vote of Cabinet members.

    If Supreme Court judges want to act like they're politicians, have them elected by the voters. You want a nine-member Supreme Court then you put up a slate of candidates. The nine candidates who get the most votes get Supreme Court spots.

    There are plenty of options. The first step is to admit that the current system is broken and that radical changes are needed.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @V. K. Ovelund, @iffen

    You can’t go backwards.

    Well, this will come as a big relief for Dark Age Europeans.

    Seriously, I agree with you. We can’t go back to empire or monarchy. We can’t give up our meta-identities and return to pristine race, ethnicity or religious ones.

  52. @botazefa
    @LondonBob


    Is Trump actually doing much better with Hispanics, on this not much change?
     
    yes, I think so.

    Hispanics don't like Black people. They don't want to be called 'people of color.'

    They also may not do much voting, so...

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    I saw a recent poll where Hispanics actually had the lowest approval of Black Lives Matter. Approval was something like 31% Hispanic, 35% white and 68% black with approval down in all groups, even blacks.

    I recently have been reading a lot about how Hispanics don’t like to be classified as “People of Color”. They hate it which is funny because Democrats thought they would love it. I have mentioned before I live in a heavily Hispanic city. I know Hispanics well and my strong sense is most do not carry a racial chip on their shoulder the way many blacks do. They think of themselves as people who happen to be Hispanic. “People of color” defines them by the color of their skin above all else and I can easily understand why that turns them off.

    Even if they don’t like BLM, being called people of color etc. they will still vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. The fact is Hispanics are as economically liberal as anyone and many do collect handouts. Rush Limbaugh once said they are voting for Santa Claus. That pretty much sums it up. Despite this strong preference for economic liberalism many will not vote as Hispanics have notoriously low voter turnout. Bernie Sanders could have brought out record Hispanic turnout, Joe Biden not so much.

    • Agree: botazefa
  53. @V. K. Ovelund
    @iffen


    I fail to see how your position differs from that of people like Terry McAuliffe.

    Who? Whom?
     

    Aha, I see where you're coming from. Makes sense, within that framework.

    I am antiuniversalist and doubt that McAuliffe would find Kipling interesting. Did you read the poem? If not the poem, then try the preamble to the United States Constitution. That's pretty good, too, as long as the entire preamble is read as a unit, with no phrases lightly skipped over.

    If the last is too concise for clarity, then try Federalist No. 2; or, if long-form poetry is preferred, then McAuliffe's Macaulay's “Horatius.”

    You need not read any of these, of course, if you do not wish to; but I am unable to explain myself better than these do.

    Replies: @iffen

    Did you read the poem?

    Yes, I did.

    It all depends upon the interpretation of the words. We have to agree on what they mean. As a great President (I forget which one) once said, “”It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.” Kipling writes: But he does not talk my talk—, so I think that he understands this. Or, perhaps, taking the whole of the poem, it could be interpreted as his disapproval and rejection of the concept of the British Empire. But I doubt that was his view.

    Speaking of words, I compliment you on one point, VK, you give the lie to the term “rabid anti-Semite.”

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @iffen


    Kipling writes: But he does not talk my talk—, so I think that he understands this. Or, perhaps, taking the whole of the poem, it could be interpreted as his disapproval and rejection of the concept of the British Empire. But I doubt that was his view.
     
    Kipling was a complicated guy. Right-wingers invariably misunderstand him. They seize on a few lines of poetry taken out of context and assume he was a white supremacist and a rabid imperialist. If you want to understand Kipling you need to read Kim. That will demolish any notion that he was an uncomplicated imperialist or an uncomplicated racist. He was an imperialist, but he was a complicated nuanced imperialist.

    Right-wingers need to stop quoting the lines from Kipling about the Saxon learning to hate. That ain't what he wrote. Kipling wrote about the English learning to hate, and it was hatred of the Germans that Kipling advocated.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  54. @Buzz Mohawk
    @LondonBob


    Interesting income distribution, high and low against the middle...
     
    That is how things are arrayed now in the US. Our middle class is disappearing, as we descend into a sharply-stratified, two-class society of rich and poor -- what most of the rest of the world has always been.

    This is history's way of regressing toward the mean. Having a middle-class majority was an aberration.

    This middle includes most of the skilled workers who actually contribute and earn their incomes. They don't get much free stuff, and they aren't getting any respect.

    It should be noted too, that a bracket of "$100k+" that extends to infinity is a very broad category. In many locales, an income of $100k is middle class and barely enough or not enough to own a home.

    There are two welfare classes in America: the very poor and the very rich. Both get money for doing nothing. If you've ever lived in a great spot where lots of trust fund babies live and receive free incomes from the family fortune, you know what I mean. It's easy to vote Left when you have no worries and you don't have to work.

    What puzzles me, though, is why so many rich and high-income people vote for a party that likes to tax them. Maybe they're just stupid, or maybe they can so easily afford it that they don't care.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @planta rosa productions XL, @indocon

    “What puzzles me, though, is why so many rich and high-income people vote for a party that likes to tax them. Maybe they’re just stupid, or maybe they can so easily afford it that they don’t care.”

    The answer to your question is that these people either don’t think they will be taxed up to the wazo or the tax rates in question don’t really affect them. Think about it for a moment, if you have a net worth of $20M in Silli Valley, the tax rate you care about is capital gains tax rate, not the ordinary income tax rate, on that the bitch Republicans will go to the mat to keep it at 15%.

    If we will ever see a true populist party, their first act should be to equalize capital gains and ordinary income tax rate, it’s as easy of a layup as there is.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @indocon


    ... equalize capital gains and ordinary income tax rate, it’s as easy of a layup as there is.
     
    • Agree
  55. @iffen
    In a populist age, Democrats get to pretend to be the party of the common man while the corporate world is stuffing every one of their orifices with cash.

    Key Democrat opposes GOP Section 230 subpoena for Facebook, Twitter, Google

    https://thehill.com/policy/technology/518109-key-democrat-opposes-gop-section-230-subpoena-for-facebook-twitter-google

    Replies: @indocon, @Audacious Epigone

    The moronic republican party should have been doing this day one in 2017, not scrambling to do some for either survival or optics at the end of 2020.

  56. @Truth
    @Charles Pewitt

    This damn website gets wierder every day.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Mr. Truth says:

    This damn website gets wierder every day.

    The Weird Sisters say:

    Double, double, toil and trouble;
    Fire burn and cauldron bubble.

  57. @indocon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "What puzzles me, though, is why so many rich and high-income people vote for a party that likes to tax them. Maybe they’re just stupid, or maybe they can so easily afford it that they don’t care."

    The answer to your question is that these people either don't think they will be taxed up to the wazo or the tax rates in question don't really affect them. Think about it for a moment, if you have a net worth of $20M in Silli Valley, the tax rate you care about is capital gains tax rate, not the ordinary income tax rate, on that the bitch Republicans will go to the mat to keep it at 15%.

    If we will ever see a true populist party, their first act should be to equalize capital gains and ordinary income tax rate, it's as easy of a layup as there is.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    … equalize capital gains and ordinary income tax rate, it’s as easy of a layup as there is.

    • Agree

  58. @planta rosa productions XL
    @Buzz Mohawk

    They're not Jews like you who get their panties in a bunch because they lost 3% of their income.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    They’re not Jews like you who get their panties in a bunch because they lost 3% of their income.

    I will take that as a compliment. My paternal grandfather was Jewish, according to family lore, but he died when I was 9 years old, and our family never paid much attention to religion or ethnicity.

    I am pleased that you think I am one of those people who as a cohort have the highest IQ on the planet, who are represented among the American rich and powerful far beyond their numbers, and who have the gift of gab as much as I do.

    Whether your claim is even 1/4 true or not, I gladly accept it, and I honestly do not even know or care. The other 3/4 of my ancestry is Protestant and Northwestern European.

    This does not mean that I agree with what some Jews have done or are doing to my country. I do not. You will find me making wisecracks about them and criticizing them regularly here. Honestly, I think of them as just Eastern Europeans like my wife (a Protestant who sometimes gets mistaken for a Jew.) I think the whole “Jew” thing is nothing but bullshit, a self-serving party that my wife and I could crash any time we wanted to. We are smart enough, especially her.

    But I do get upset any time I notice that somebody is stealing 3% of my money, or even less. You should too.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  59. @obwandiyag
    Really? The Republicans are the sworn enemies of the plutocrats, the oligarchy, the mega-rich, our owners? You really expect anybody to swallow that horse manure?

    Replies: @neutral, @Pop Warner, @Audacious Epigone

    No, they’re the junior puppets, that’s all.

  60. @obwandiyag
    George W. Bush won two presidential contests with campaign war chests that exceeded those of his opponents.

    You are a typical liar who lies with the truth. Yeah Trump is down in fundraising. But George W. Bush was not. Thus, Republicans often get more money from rich people. Just not this year. Invalidating everything you say, you stupid manipulative mook.

    https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-politics/billions-spent-elect-us-presidents

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Audacious Epigone

    The post says since 2004, the last year George W Bush ran for president. Not trying to pull a fast one on anyone.

    Re: mookness, yeah, pal, and you’re in for a scuffle. Prepare:

    https://images.app.goo.gl/YQ7vmmxVWbjmKmUZ8

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Audacious Epigone

    Yes, lying with the truth. Exactly. You admit it outright. You be the horse's mouth.

    Congratulations. Honesty by accident.

  61. @iffen
    In a populist age, Democrats get to pretend to be the party of the common man while the corporate world is stuffing every one of their orifices with cash.

    Key Democrat opposes GOP Section 230 subpoena for Facebook, Twitter, Google

    https://thehill.com/policy/technology/518109-key-democrat-opposes-gop-section-230-subpoena-for-facebook-twitter-google

    Replies: @indocon, @Audacious Epigone

    What an Orwellian angle. She’s against the subpoenas because it will interfere with the tech companies’ efforts to fight harassment, deplatforming, intimidation, blah blah blah. Yeah, right, Google and Facebook are about to do the right thing, stop getting in their way!

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Audacious Epigone

    As I predicted in another comment, if the Dems do a triple, the media will come down hard with the censorship with their blessing and support.

    , @iffen
    @Audacious Epigone


    Why the right-wing has a massive advantage on Facebook
     
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/26/facebook-conservatives-2020-421146
  62. @Audacious Epigone
    @iffen

    What an Orwellian angle. She's against the subpoenas because it will interfere with the tech companies' efforts to fight harassment, deplatforming, intimidation, blah blah blah. Yeah, right, Google and Facebook are about to do the right thing, stop getting in their way!

    Replies: @iffen, @iffen

    As I predicted in another comment, if the Dems do a triple, the media will come down hard with the censorship with their blessing and support.

  63. @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom


    You can’t go backwards.
     
    Sure you can, more or less. Just go backward.

    A moderate retrenchment would be wise.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    You can’t go backwards.

    Sure you can, more or less. Just go backward.

    A moderate retrenchment would be wise.

    You can’t go backward because certain economic, social and technological conditions have changed irreversibly. What works in an agrarian society won’t work in an urbanised society. What works in a Christian society won’t work in a secular society. What works in a society without mass media won’t work in a society with mass media. What works in a society of small farmers and small tradesmen won’t work in a world of mega-corporations.

    You cannot avoid change. The trick is to ensure that there is some control and some coherent rational direction to the changes. Change for the sake of change is bad but adaptation to changing circumstances is good.

    Social conservatives and economic leftists have lost because they have not adapted.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  64. @iffen
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Did you read the poem?

    Yes, I did.

    It all depends upon the interpretation of the words. We have to agree on what they mean. As a great President (I forget which one) once said, “"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is.” Kipling writes: But he does not talk my talk—, so I think that he understands this. Or, perhaps, taking the whole of the poem, it could be interpreted as his disapproval and rejection of the concept of the British Empire. But I doubt that was his view.

    Speaking of words, I compliment you on one point, VK, you give the lie to the term "rabid anti-Semite."

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Kipling writes: But he does not talk my talk—, so I think that he understands this. Or, perhaps, taking the whole of the poem, it could be interpreted as his disapproval and rejection of the concept of the British Empire. But I doubt that was his view.

    Kipling was a complicated guy. Right-wingers invariably misunderstand him. They seize on a few lines of poetry taken out of context and assume he was a white supremacist and a rabid imperialist. If you want to understand Kipling you need to read Kim. That will demolish any notion that he was an uncomplicated imperialist or an uncomplicated racist. He was an imperialist, but he was a complicated nuanced imperialist.

    Right-wingers need to stop quoting the lines from Kipling about the Saxon learning to hate. That ain’t what he wrote. Kipling wrote about the English learning to hate, and it was hatred of the Germans that Kipling advocated.

    • Thanks: iffen
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @dfordoom


    Kipling wrote about the English learning to hate, and it was hatred of the Germans that Kipling advocated.
     
    Saxons are from Saxony.  That's IN Germany.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @iffen

  65. @Audacious Epigone
    @iffen

    What an Orwellian angle. She's against the subpoenas because it will interfere with the tech companies' efforts to fight harassment, deplatforming, intimidation, blah blah blah. Yeah, right, Google and Facebook are about to do the right thing, stop getting in their way!

    Replies: @iffen, @iffen

    Why the right-wing has a massive advantage on Facebook

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/26/facebook-conservatives-2020-421146

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  66. @dfordoom
    @iffen


    Kipling writes: But he does not talk my talk—, so I think that he understands this. Or, perhaps, taking the whole of the poem, it could be interpreted as his disapproval and rejection of the concept of the British Empire. But I doubt that was his view.
     
    Kipling was a complicated guy. Right-wingers invariably misunderstand him. They seize on a few lines of poetry taken out of context and assume he was a white supremacist and a rabid imperialist. If you want to understand Kipling you need to read Kim. That will demolish any notion that he was an uncomplicated imperialist or an uncomplicated racist. He was an imperialist, but he was a complicated nuanced imperialist.

    Right-wingers need to stop quoting the lines from Kipling about the Saxon learning to hate. That ain't what he wrote. Kipling wrote about the English learning to hate, and it was hatred of the Germans that Kipling advocated.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Kipling wrote about the English learning to hate, and it was hatred of the Germans that Kipling advocated.

    Saxons are from Saxony.  That’s IN Germany.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Mr. Rational



    Kipling wrote about the English learning to hate, and it was hatred of the Germans that Kipling advocated.
     
    Saxons are from Saxony. That’s IN Germany.
     
    Yep, so Kipling wasn't advocating for the Saxons to learn to hate, he was advocating for the English to learn to hate Saxons.
    , @iffen
    @Mr. Rational

    Saxons are from Saxony. That’s IN Germany.

    Yes, but some centuries before all the peace-loving Saxons had migrated, not illegally mind you, but upon invitation to England, and that left all the warmongering Saxons in Germany. As time passed all the descendants of those peace-loving Saxons turned into a bunch of milquetoast, peacenik flower children and were not ready for WWII and had to be revved up by people like Kipling to defend themselves against their warmongering Saxon cousins from Germany.

  67. @Mr. Rational
    @dfordoom


    Kipling wrote about the English learning to hate, and it was hatred of the Germans that Kipling advocated.
     
    Saxons are from Saxony.  That's IN Germany.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @iffen

    Kipling wrote about the English learning to hate, and it was hatred of the Germans that Kipling advocated.

    Saxons are from Saxony. That’s IN Germany.

    Yep, so Kipling wasn’t advocating for the Saxons to learn to hate, he was advocating for the English to learn to hate Saxons.

  68. @Arclight
    The most worrying thing about this graph is Biden getting 40% of the white vote. Trump is toast if that is accurate.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @J.D.

    Trump needs to make sure the Durham investigation comes out and people are brought to justice before the election. I know people who won’t vote for Trump unless they see results. They feel betrayed by the “First Step Act.” (And now Trump is claiming to be a “law and order” president?) They feel unhappy by the wall not being built like he said it would be (even before the lockdown, there wasn’t nearly enough done). They’re upset about our debt going through the roof, and the middle class being hit hard by this lockdown, losing thousands of small businesses, just for Trump to turn around and claim that the economy is doing ‘better than ever.’ It’s not appealing to them at all. The hype and rallies and parades of cars aren’t doing a thing to sway them. Trump may be playing the long game, but halfway through that long game, he’s looking like just another member of the establishment to them, and they’re not amused. Those are the people who are going to decide this election, and Trump needs to give them some attention. The people screaming his name in the crowds at the rallies are voting for him anyway. It’s the people who aren’t showing up to his rallies who are going to decide this election — the people who haven’t voted for years, who didn’t register until this year or still haven’t registered, the moderates, typically third-party voters, and independents. He’s not doing enough to get their attention, and that’s going to be to his detriment.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  69. @Mr. Rational
    @dfordoom


    Kipling wrote about the English learning to hate, and it was hatred of the Germans that Kipling advocated.
     
    Saxons are from Saxony.  That's IN Germany.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @iffen

    Saxons are from Saxony. That’s IN Germany.

    Yes, but some centuries before all the peace-loving Saxons had migrated, not illegally mind you, but upon invitation to England, and that left all the warmongering Saxons in Germany. As time passed all the descendants of those peace-loving Saxons turned into a bunch of milquetoast, peacenik flower children and were not ready for WWII and had to be revved up by people like Kipling to defend themselves against their warmongering Saxon cousins from Germany.

  70. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    Audacious,
    A very interesting observation that I noticed is that Trump does better with groups he directly attacks, versus groups he directly panders toward or ignores.
    Trump’s rhetoric against Hispanics was strong, yet he did better among that group.
    My guess is that being honest with these voters is an easy way of winning them than pandering. I do not think that pandering works at all.
    As you mentioned in your graphs a while back, it is the central Americans that are the most likely to support Trump over the White Hispanics.
    Perhaps Trump should insult Black people them more?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Anon

    They don't need to be insulted, certainly not exclusively, but talked to like human beings, not pandered to.

  71. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I have decided to vote @dfordoom for U.S. president in November. His platform is what I want.

    But can he deliver the annual State of the Union address in an accent Congress can understand?
     
    No problem. My first act as president will be to teach Americans to speak properly. And to spell properly. There'll be a simple spelling test for congressmen. If they can't spell words like colour properly they're out.

    Replies: @iffen, @Audacious Epigone

    So we can go ahead and ditch the letter “z” altogether then, right?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Audacious Epigone


    So we can go ahead and ditch the letter “z” altogether then, right?
     
    You can still use it in words like zebra. You will have to learn to pronounce it correctly. It's "zed" not "zee".
  72. @Anon
    Audacious,
    A very interesting observation that I noticed is that Trump does better with groups he directly attacks, versus groups he directly panders toward or ignores.
    Trump's rhetoric against Hispanics was strong, yet he did better among that group.
    My guess is that being honest with these voters is an easy way of winning them than pandering. I do not think that pandering works at all.
    As you mentioned in your graphs a while back, it is the central Americans that are the most likely to support Trump over the White Hispanics.
    Perhaps Trump should insult Black people them more?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    They don’t need to be insulted, certainly not exclusively, but talked to like human beings, not pandered to.

  73. @Audacious Epigone
    @dfordoom

    So we can go ahead and ditch the letter "z" altogether then, right?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    So we can go ahead and ditch the letter “z” altogether then, right?

    You can still use it in words like zebra. You will have to learn to pronounce it correctly. It’s “zed” not “zee”.

  74. @Audacious Epigone
    @obwandiyag

    The post says since 2004, the last year George W Bush ran for president. Not trying to pull a fast one on anyone.

    Re: mookness, yeah, pal, and you're in for a scuffle. Prepare:

    https://images.app.goo.gl/YQ7vmmxVWbjmKmUZ8

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    Yes, lying with the truth. Exactly. You admit it outright. You be the horse’s mouth.

    Congratulations. Honesty by accident.

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