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In terms of physical appearance, do you think you are more attractive than average, average, or less attractive than average?:

The white distribution approximates a normal one. The non-white distributions display various levels of Lake Wobegon effect.

We’re told society pedestalizes whites while causing people of color to feel bad about themselves. The data say otherwise.

 
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  1. • Replies: @songbird
    @MEH 0910

    Nobody can convince me that Whoopi wasn't at least partly promoted because of her surname.

    I'm not saying they were promoting one of their one. But either there was an unconscious bias, or they thought it was a funny joke, or used it as conversation opener.

    Replies: @Marty, @Not Only Wrathful

    , @DanHessinMD
    @MEH 0910

    The whole crush of censorship began when Milo Y may have said something unflattering about Leslie Jones' appearance.

  2. Whenever I see the phrase black is beautiful it takes me back to when I was a kid in the late 70s. We had a black family move into the apartments I lived in. One of the daughters was around my age and hung out with me one day. I showed her my record collection and pointed out albums from War and Earth Wind & Fire and told her “I like black music”. Was I ever surprised at her reaction. She took it as an insult and started screaming and crying. “Black is beautiful, black is beautiful” she kept repeating hysterically as she stormed out the door.

    Back when I used to look at online dating profiles black women would often comment on how good they look. Nobody else did that. It seemed like they were trying to convince themselves.

  3. The white distribution approximates a normal one. The non-white distributions display various levels of Lake Wobegon effect.

    I’m sorry that you feel you are average, AE. 😉

  4. The male/female breakdown would be even more interesting.

    • Agree: Nikolai Vladivostok
  5. Many blacks are not only stupid…they’re blind.

    • LOL: ThreeCranes
  6. Steve Sailer consistently points out that contra the progressive narrative that blacks live with crushing insecurity because of society, in reality they exhibit much higher levels of self esteem than anyone else.

    Now I do think to some extent it’s putting on a front, consciously or not. This group is also known for its outsize spending relative to income on ‘visible goods’ to give the appearance of a higher style of living than reality. Being in the apartment business, I have seen hundreds of examples of how different groups live who are in essentially the same income range, and there is no question that black residents put a much higher premium on having visibly branded/expensive clothing and usually have the most expensive/flashy cars in the parking lot.

    This isn’t confined to downscale blacks either. My kids went used to go to a pricy private school, and I couldn’t believe my eyes when I realized the gym teacher was driving a Range Rover Sport when I knew his job didn’t even pay $50K a year. Whenever I see the latest article or post on ‘wealth inequality’ between the different groups, no one ever comments on the effect different consumer habits have on the ability to amass real savings over the course of a lifetime.

    • Thanks: beavertales
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Arclight


    I couldn’t believe my eyes when I realized the gym teacher was driving a Range Rover Sport when I knew his job didn’t even pay $50K a yea
     
    I was listening to Shaun Thompson (WIND-AM 560 @ 5PM) yesterday and he was talking about two women who tried to pay for some items using an EBT; when they discovered the EBT didn't have enough, proceeded to whip out ANOTHER EBT card. Then they went to get into a "new" SUV.

    When will the taxpayers acquire enough brains to finally say: "Oh Hell NO!?"

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Arclight


    Steve Sailer consistently points out that contra the progressive narrative that blacks live with crushing insecurity because of society, in reality they exhibit much higher levels of self esteem than anyone else.

     

    Did it ever occur to you that this is a form of larping? Look at what people do, not what they say. An ethnic group that spends too much good money on harsh chemicals to change their most distinctive ethnic quality deep down insecure.

    (Not to mention that outside the US, in countries where dark skin prevails, skin lightening creams are big business. Especially in Africa. Look it up.)

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn, @dfordoom

  7. Black Is Beautiful

    A Murderous Mind starring some Black guy from Baltimore or Chicago.

    Cinematic violence like that Peckinpah guy did might be beautiful according to some people but Blacks who commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime in the USA and the Bantu diaspora everywhere else ain’t so beautiful when they are running amok.

    Blacks are not very good looking, but some Mulattos like Vanessa Williams are pleasant enough for sure. Vanessa Williams has Welsh ancestry the internet says and the Welsh are good looking people but very dangerous when they have been over-imbibing ale or strong booze and they are in a bad Welsh mood.

    I wrote this in September of 2019 about Blacks:

    Blacks are boring as Hell except if they are chasing you down the street intent on murderous mayhem.

    Black writers are even more boring than regular Blacks.

    America’s sweetheart — Hillary Clinton — moved to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, in order to avoid the possibility of being chased down the street by a Black intent on murderous mayhem.

    I believe that the presidential contest in 2016 was the first one in American history that featured two main party candidates that DID NOT have colonial American ancestry.

    Obama had colonial American ancestry, and Obama moved to a wealthy White part of Swamp City DC and to Martha’s Vineyard in order to avoid being chased down the street by a Black intent on murderous mayhem.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-negative-first-amendment/#comment-3470574

  8. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/usatodaylife/status/754023424717094912

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/23cf5402a755d1e80ad02e22c9ed48b62010c5bb/c=0-360-2800-1942/local/-/media/2016/07/15/USATODAY/USATODAY/636041948760700613-jones-goldberg.jpg

    Replies: @songbird, @DanHessinMD

    Nobody can convince me that Whoopi wasn’t at least partly promoted because of her surname.

    I’m not saying they were promoting one of their one. But either there was an unconscious bias, or they thought it was a funny joke, or used it as conversation opener.

    • Replies: @Marty
    @songbird

    Whoopi was just Janeanne Garofalo with the threat of violence.

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @songbird

    She won an Academy Award for Best Actress in 1985, therefore she earned it

    Replies: @songbird

  9. Isn’t there less sexual dimorphism in the faces of blacks? I wonder if that has something to do with it. Maybe, it encourages narcissism when looking in the mirror.

    Also, I believe the physical standards of black men seem to be lower. Black men like steatopygia, so in a fatter society, it is less of a turn off.

    • Replies: @J1234
    @songbird


    Isn’t there less sexual dimorphism in the faces of blacks?
     
    It certainly appears that way to me. I would imagine that it varies throughout sub-Saharan Africa, though. The effect is greatly amplified (dimorphism reduced) in heavy black women with short hair.

    Questionnaires given to blacks about their self-perceptions are about as accurate/reliable/believable as questionnaires given to Christians about their devotional lives. Both are going to be strongly influenced by ideas about how they're supposed to respond in order to be valid members of their groups. What people say should take a back seat to what people do when trying to determine what it is they believe. Like many people mired in self-delusion, a large number of blacks are trying to strike a balance between acting like they are one thing (such as being independent from - or indifferent to - white influence or standards) and living like they are another thing (incessantly striving to be part of - and fully accepted by - white society.)

    Did Muhammad Ali actually believe he was "the greatest"? Probably, because he was an amazing boxer, but it was apparently something he constantly had to repeat over and over and over again in order to believe, per the seemingly standard black chant/call-and-response mentality. (Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt that Einstein or Edison had to tell themselves over and over again that they were "the smartest".) It's probably in this context we should view black statements about self-esteem/looks/etc.; they're revealing, but not in an obvious or intuitive way.

    Replies: @Mario Partisan, @James Braxton

  10. It would be interesting to see an honest poll with blacks rating whites and vice versa.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @Malcolm Y

    As the marketing people say, there is STATED intent and ACTUAL intent. The actual intent has already been analysed by dating apps: https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/okcupid-race_n_5811840?ri18n=true

    https://i.huffpost.com/gen/2054856/original.jpg

    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.

    Replies: @anon, @JohnPlywood

  11. Maybe Blacks (and Hispanics) just have less self-awareness? Most people are, by definition, average.

    But yeah, I never understood this progressive idea that “blacks have low self-esteem”.

    If anything, they have way too much.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Dumbo

    Bingo. Is the overestimation of their physical beauty something analagous to the Dunning-Kruger effect, where less informed individuals overestimate their competence and knowledge?

  12. Violence,criminality,sociopathy, narcissism, rebelliousness are all inherited genetic traits of their father

  13. @Arclight
    Steve Sailer consistently points out that contra the progressive narrative that blacks live with crushing insecurity because of society, in reality they exhibit much higher levels of self esteem than anyone else.

    Now I do think to some extent it's putting on a front, consciously or not. This group is also known for its outsize spending relative to income on 'visible goods' to give the appearance of a higher style of living than reality. Being in the apartment business, I have seen hundreds of examples of how different groups live who are in essentially the same income range, and there is no question that black residents put a much higher premium on having visibly branded/expensive clothing and usually have the most expensive/flashy cars in the parking lot.

    This isn't confined to downscale blacks either. My kids went used to go to a pricy private school, and I couldn't believe my eyes when I realized the gym teacher was driving a Range Rover Sport when I knew his job didn't even pay $50K a year. Whenever I see the latest article or post on 'wealth inequality' between the different groups, no one ever comments on the effect different consumer habits have on the ability to amass real savings over the course of a lifetime.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Paperback Writer

    I couldn’t believe my eyes when I realized the gym teacher was driving a Range Rover Sport when I knew his job didn’t even pay $50K a yea

    I was listening to Shaun Thompson (WIND-AM 560 @ 5PM) yesterday and he was talking about two women who tried to pay for some items using an EBT; when they discovered the EBT didn’t have enough, proceeded to whip out ANOTHER EBT card. Then they went to get into a “new” SUV.

    When will the taxpayers acquire enough brains to finally say: “Oh Hell NO!?”

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Joe Stalin


    When will the taxpayers acquire enough brains to finally say: “Oh Hell NO!?”
     
    I don't know, when will YOU?

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ten-examples-of-welfare-for-the-rich-and-corporations_b_4589188

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhZf8cYJN6wJhdNp7Q

    https://newrepublic.com/article/158203/pandemic-welfare-state-one-percent

    It is the lame-brained imbeciles like yourself that have let these silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country.

    And you are going to get what is coming to you.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Ace, @Boomthorkell, @Jay Fink

  14. @Joe Stalin
    @Arclight


    I couldn’t believe my eyes when I realized the gym teacher was driving a Range Rover Sport when I knew his job didn’t even pay $50K a yea
     
    I was listening to Shaun Thompson (WIND-AM 560 @ 5PM) yesterday and he was talking about two women who tried to pay for some items using an EBT; when they discovered the EBT didn't have enough, proceeded to whip out ANOTHER EBT card. Then they went to get into a "new" SUV.

    When will the taxpayers acquire enough brains to finally say: "Oh Hell NO!?"

    Replies: @Truth

    When will the taxpayers acquire enough brains to finally say: “Oh Hell NO!?”

    I don’t know, when will YOU?

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ten-examples-of-welfare-for-the-rich-and-corporations_b_4589188

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhZf8cYJN6wJhdNp7Q

    https://newrepublic.com/article/158203/pandemic-welfare-state-one-percent

    It is the lame-brained imbeciles like yourself that have let these silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country.

    And you are going to get what is coming to you.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Truth


    It is the lame-brained imbeciles like yourself that have let these silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country.
     
    LOL. "Look, a squirrel!"

    Come to Chicago and tell me how these"silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country" when all this shit adds up.

    It's like when I was downtown Chicago waiting for the bus and I saw a young Black man with a cell phone put it away, walk up to me, and ask ME for money. (I didn't own a cell phone at that time.)

    It's people like you who think we're too stupid to realize their pockets are being picked. I lived long enough and seen shopping with EBT cards to know what actually happens. I've had Hispanic shoppers hand me a store credit card and when that was rejected, go through their wallet and find another store card with a DIFFERENT name to give me. And let's not forget the store front churches, where they charge home items to the church. And then there's the Chicago Teachers making their BIG money off ripping off the taxpayer. Don't believe me?

    http://cpspay.info/?page=167

    https://twitter.com/Wirepoints?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    https://wirepoints.org/mass-federalization-how-washington-is-bailing-out-failed-states-decapitating-competitive-ones-and-ending-america-as-you-knew-it-wirepoints/

    https://wirepoints.org/illinois-treasurer-frerichs-latest-use-of-taxpayer-money-as-political-club-wirepoints/

    https://wirepoints.org/illinois-record-setting-pension-debt-jumps-to-over-300-billion-wirepoints/

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Ace
    @Truth

    Try to stay focused.

    , @Boomthorkell
    @Truth

    Why not end both, or replace both with UBI for all and carefully crafted investment?

    You seemed to be operating under the odd notion that the people on this site don't already distrust the government and oligarcht it enabled and protects. A person can complain about both high, mid, and low level waste without being "a blind sheep."

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Jay Fink
    @Truth

    I am not a fan of corporate welfare. I hate bailouts, TARP was upsetting to me and I was not a fan of Trump's tax cuts. With all that being said I find giving welfare to the ghetto poor much worse than corporate welfare. It rewards the worst in human behavior. It's also unfair to the working poor who are just above the line to qualify for anything. They have to pay overinflated food and housing costs while their ghetto counterparts get it all for free.

    Replies: @Truth

  15. @Malcolm Y
    It would be interesting to see an honest poll with blacks rating whites and vice versa.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    As the marketing people say, there is STATED intent and ACTUAL intent. The actual intent has already been analysed by dating apps: https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/okcupid-race_n_5811840?ri18n=true

    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.

    • Thanks: Nikolai Vladivostok
    • Replies: @anon
    @TelfoedJohn

    That OK Cupid data is from 2009, it would be interesting to see if any substantial change has happened in the last 12 years. Perhaps stated preference has changed even as revealed has not?

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    , @JohnPlywood
    @TelfoedJohn


    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.
     
    You're cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy of white women being considered attractive.

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data has white women ranked below Asian and Latina women:

    https://i.imgur.com/DBwWIh0.png


    A similar result was found for the 2014 data from a similar app, DateHookup's "Let's Meet":


    https://cdn01.vulcanpost.com/wp-uploads/2014/09/scores2014.png


    The same trend was repeated yet again in a study of interactions using the dating app "Are You Interested". Asian and Latina women outperformed white women. Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren't pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:


    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png


    There is a scientific basis for men's preference of Asian and Latina women over white women. That's because men rate Asian women and half-Asian more attractive than white women; half-Asian women being a close phenotypical proxy for Latina women.


    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191


    In experiment 1, Caucasian participants rated own-race composites as more attractive than other-race composites, but only for male faces. However, mixed-race (Caucasian/Japanese) composites were significantly more attractive than own-race composites, particularly for the opposite sex. In experiment 2, Caucasian and Japanese participants living in Australia and Japan, respectively, selected the most attractive face from a continuum with exaggerated Caucasian characteristics at one end and exaggerated Japanese characteristics at the other, with intervening images including a Caucasian averaged composite, a mixed-race averaged composite, and a Japanese averaged composite. The most attractive face was, again, a mixed-race composite, for both Caucasian and Japanese participants. In experiment 3, Caucasian participants rated individual Eurasian faces as significantly more attractive than either Caucasian or Asian faces
     
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.

    Here, we explore whether Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces. Thirty-five Malaysian Chinese (20 male) and 30 Australian White (12 male) participants manipulated 100 face photographs (50 Asian; 50 White; half male) on a masculinity/femininity axis to optimize attractive appearance. As predicted, White women’s faces were increased more in femininity than Asian women’s faces, and White men’s faces were feminized more than Asian men’s faces to optimize attractiveness. These findings suggest that White faces are perceived as more masculine than Asian faces.
     

    Results of a study by Lynch:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive than white men. Meaning women's attraction to white men is not based solely on looks, but takes in to account attributes like status, employment, income, education, etc.

    So no, men don't prefer white and Asian women -- they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc. The preference for white men is considerably less palpable and isn't based solely on looks, like it is for women. If black men could stay out of prison and hold down jobs they would probably rank higher than white men.

    Replies: @anon, @black dog, @ThreeCranes, @TelfoedJohn, @martin_2, @Paperback Writer, @Twinkie

  16. @Dumbo
    Maybe Blacks (and Hispanics) just have less self-awareness? Most people are, by definition, average.

    But yeah, I never understood this progressive idea that "blacks have low self-esteem".

    If anything, they have way too much.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin

    Bingo. Is the overestimation of their physical beauty something analagous to the Dunning-Kruger effect, where less informed individuals overestimate their competence and knowledge?

  17. @songbird
    Isn't there less sexual dimorphism in the faces of blacks? I wonder if that has something to do with it. Maybe, it encourages narcissism when looking in the mirror.

    Also, I believe the physical standards of black men seem to be lower. Black men like steatopygia, so in a fatter society, it is less of a turn off.

    Replies: @J1234

    Isn’t there less sexual dimorphism in the faces of blacks?

    It certainly appears that way to me. I would imagine that it varies throughout sub-Saharan Africa, though. The effect is greatly amplified (dimorphism reduced) in heavy black women with short hair.

    Questionnaires given to blacks about their self-perceptions are about as accurate/reliable/believable as questionnaires given to Christians about their devotional lives. Both are going to be strongly influenced by ideas about how they’re supposed to respond in order to be valid members of their groups. What people say should take a back seat to what people do when trying to determine what it is they believe. Like many people mired in self-delusion, a large number of blacks are trying to strike a balance between acting like they are one thing (such as being independent from – or indifferent to – white influence or standards) and living like they are another thing (incessantly striving to be part of – and fully accepted by – white society.)

    Did Muhammad Ali actually believe he was “the greatest”? Probably, because he was an amazing boxer, but it was apparently something he constantly had to repeat over and over and over again in order to believe, per the seemingly standard black chant/call-and-response mentality. (Maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt that Einstein or Edison had to tell themselves over and over again that they were “the smartest”.) It’s probably in this context we should view black statements about self-esteem/looks/etc.; they’re revealing, but not in an obvious or intuitive way.

    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
    @J1234

    Are you suggesting that a group of people who have called themselves “God’s Chosen” every day for the last 3,000 years might have some deep-rooted insecurities? I find that preposterous!

    , @James Braxton
    @J1234

    To be fair, Ali seems not to have known that Sonny Liston took a dive. So his inflated self worth was bolstered by thinking he knocked out the baddest man on the planet with ease.

  18. @TelfoedJohn
    @Malcolm Y

    As the marketing people say, there is STATED intent and ACTUAL intent. The actual intent has already been analysed by dating apps: https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/okcupid-race_n_5811840?ri18n=true

    https://i.huffpost.com/gen/2054856/original.jpg

    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.

    Replies: @anon, @JohnPlywood

    That OK Cupid data is from 2009, it would be interesting to see if any substantial change has happened in the last 12 years. Perhaps stated preference has changed even as revealed has not?

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @anon

    It seems black men have become more popular since then. Although even in 2009 I would have been surprised at these results, specifically the lack of attraction to black men from non-black women.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  19. Eye beez a soupamaudel n sheeit!

  20. Eye beez a soupamaudel n sheeit!

    https://www.translate.com/yiddish-english

    Translation: I am a sad and lonely boy. I do not have friends, my mother constantly yells at me, and I consume copious amounts of pornography.

    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
    @Truth

    Meybi so, but at leest eye stil be a soupamaudel doh. U jus gelass muffuggah.



    Anyway, have a good Friday.

    Replies: @Truth

  21. @songbird
    @MEH 0910

    Nobody can convince me that Whoopi wasn't at least partly promoted because of her surname.

    I'm not saying they were promoting one of their one. But either there was an unconscious bias, or they thought it was a funny joke, or used it as conversation opener.

    Replies: @Marty, @Not Only Wrathful

    Whoopi was just Janeanne Garofalo with the threat of violence.

    • LOL: songbird
  22. Most of us here really should be glad that they feel this way, that they live under this delusion, because they really are uglier than average. If they knew the truth, they would probably burn down even more buildings and sucker-punch even more better-looking white people. Let’s be honest. This is not an outrageous or extreme comment. It is the truth.

    • Agree: martin_2
    • Replies: @Truth
    @Buzz Mohawk


    If they knew the truth, they would probably burn down even more buildings and sucker-punch even more better-looking white people.
     
    Well, at least you'll be safe Old Sport.

    Replies: @Escher, @ThreeCranes

  23. @J1234
    @songbird


    Isn’t there less sexual dimorphism in the faces of blacks?
     
    It certainly appears that way to me. I would imagine that it varies throughout sub-Saharan Africa, though. The effect is greatly amplified (dimorphism reduced) in heavy black women with short hair.

    Questionnaires given to blacks about their self-perceptions are about as accurate/reliable/believable as questionnaires given to Christians about their devotional lives. Both are going to be strongly influenced by ideas about how they're supposed to respond in order to be valid members of their groups. What people say should take a back seat to what people do when trying to determine what it is they believe. Like many people mired in self-delusion, a large number of blacks are trying to strike a balance between acting like they are one thing (such as being independent from - or indifferent to - white influence or standards) and living like they are another thing (incessantly striving to be part of - and fully accepted by - white society.)

    Did Muhammad Ali actually believe he was "the greatest"? Probably, because he was an amazing boxer, but it was apparently something he constantly had to repeat over and over and over again in order to believe, per the seemingly standard black chant/call-and-response mentality. (Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt that Einstein or Edison had to tell themselves over and over again that they were "the smartest".) It's probably in this context we should view black statements about self-esteem/looks/etc.; they're revealing, but not in an obvious or intuitive way.

    Replies: @Mario Partisan, @James Braxton

    Are you suggesting that a group of people who have called themselves “God’s Chosen” every day for the last 3,000 years might have some deep-rooted insecurities? I find that preposterous!

    • LOL: Ace
  24. @Truth

    Eye beez a soupamaudel n sheeit!

     

    https://www.translate.com/yiddish-english

    Translation: I am a sad and lonely boy. I do not have friends, my mother constantly yells at me, and I consume copious amounts of pornography.

    Replies: @Mario Partisan

    Meybi so, but at leest eye stil be a soupamaudel doh. U jus gelass muffuggah.

    [MORE]

    Anyway, have a good Friday.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Mario Partisan

    you too Bud.

  25. @Truth
    @Joe Stalin


    When will the taxpayers acquire enough brains to finally say: “Oh Hell NO!?”
     
    I don't know, when will YOU?

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ten-examples-of-welfare-for-the-rich-and-corporations_b_4589188

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhZf8cYJN6wJhdNp7Q

    https://newrepublic.com/article/158203/pandemic-welfare-state-one-percent

    It is the lame-brained imbeciles like yourself that have let these silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country.

    And you are going to get what is coming to you.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Ace, @Boomthorkell, @Jay Fink

    It is the lame-brained imbeciles like yourself that have let these silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country.

    LOL. “Look, a squirrel!”

    Come to Chicago and tell me how these”silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country” when all this shit adds up.

    It’s like when I was downtown Chicago waiting for the bus and I saw a young Black man with a cell phone put it away, walk up to me, and ask ME for money. (I didn’t own a cell phone at that time.)

    It’s people like you who think we’re too stupid to realize their pockets are being picked. I lived long enough and seen shopping with EBT cards to know what actually happens. I’ve had Hispanic shoppers hand me a store credit card and when that was rejected, go through their wallet and find another store card with a DIFFERENT name to give me. And let’s not forget the store front churches, where they charge home items to the church. And then there’s the Chicago Teachers making their BIG money off ripping off the taxpayer. Don’t believe me?

    http://cpspay.info/?page=167

    https://twitter.com/Wirepoints?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    https://wirepoints.org/mass-federalization-how-washington-is-bailing-out-failed-states-decapitating-competitive-ones-and-ending-america-as-you-knew-it-wirepoints/

    https://wirepoints.org/illinois-treasurer-frerichs-latest-use-of-taxpayer-money-as-political-club-wirepoints/

    https://wirepoints.org/illinois-record-setting-pension-debt-jumps-to-over-300-billion-wirepoints/

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Joe Stalin

    When what adds up?

    https://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-vs-social-welfare/

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionaires-wealth-grows-trillion-pandemic_n_60592944c5b6d6c2a2a95faf

    At least pretend you have a brain, Old Sport.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Mark G.

  26. @Buzz Mohawk
    Most of us here really should be glad that they feel this way, that they live under this delusion, because they really are uglier than average. If they knew the truth, they would probably burn down even more buildings and sucker-punch even more better-looking white people. Let's be honest. This is not an outrageous or extreme comment. It is the truth.

    Replies: @Truth

    If they knew the truth, they would probably burn down even more buildings and sucker-punch even more better-looking white people.

    Well, at least you’ll be safe Old Sport.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Escher
    @Truth

    Youse funny as f**k, homie.

    , @ThreeCranes
    @Truth

    Is anyone really "safe" around black people? Ever?

    Being safe around black people means never turning your back on them. That's why it's so pernicious to have them around in any numbers. They make relaxing impossible. A person can't take their current well-being for granted. They suck the joy out of any room. When they're not mugging you, they're hitting you up or dressing you down.

    Replies: @Truth

  27. @Mario Partisan
    @Truth

    Meybi so, but at leest eye stil be a soupamaudel doh. U jus gelass muffuggah.



    Anyway, have a good Friday.

    Replies: @Truth

    you too Bud.

  28. @Joe Stalin
    @Truth


    It is the lame-brained imbeciles like yourself that have let these silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country.
     
    LOL. "Look, a squirrel!"

    Come to Chicago and tell me how these"silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country" when all this shit adds up.

    It's like when I was downtown Chicago waiting for the bus and I saw a young Black man with a cell phone put it away, walk up to me, and ask ME for money. (I didn't own a cell phone at that time.)

    It's people like you who think we're too stupid to realize their pockets are being picked. I lived long enough and seen shopping with EBT cards to know what actually happens. I've had Hispanic shoppers hand me a store credit card and when that was rejected, go through their wallet and find another store card with a DIFFERENT name to give me. And let's not forget the store front churches, where they charge home items to the church. And then there's the Chicago Teachers making their BIG money off ripping off the taxpayer. Don't believe me?

    http://cpspay.info/?page=167

    https://twitter.com/Wirepoints?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    https://wirepoints.org/mass-federalization-how-washington-is-bailing-out-failed-states-decapitating-competitive-ones-and-ending-america-as-you-knew-it-wirepoints/

    https://wirepoints.org/illinois-treasurer-frerichs-latest-use-of-taxpayer-money-as-political-club-wirepoints/

    https://wirepoints.org/illinois-record-setting-pension-debt-jumps-to-over-300-billion-wirepoints/

    Replies: @Truth

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Truth

    I can see the my taxpayer money being used to line government employee pockets; I can go over to the local Chicago public school and look at the parking lot and see NO junkers. The Chicago Public Library didn't lay off any employees during the height of the pandemic; pure welfare because people like you think taxpayers are a source of infinite funds

    Billionaire wealth grows? Did a billionaire hold a gun to your head and force you to buy something? Unlike the government in Chicago, which forces us consumers to cough up 7 cents for a lousy shopping bag when store was giving them out free; courtesy of Democrat Mayor Rahm Emanual.


    D. In remitting the tax to a wholesaler, a store shall be allowed a credit of two cents per checkout bag purchased.

    E. In remitting the tax to the Department, a wholesaler shall be allowed the same two-cent-per bag credit provided in (D), resulting in a five-cents-per-bag required remittance to the Department.

    https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/fin/supp_info/revenue/tax_list/CheckoutBagTax.html
     
    Look at that, Chicago grabs 5 cents of every bag so they can give my money away to some Democrat.

    Old Sport, you are totally unpersuasive because I can see where my money is going.
    , @Mark G.
    @Truth

    Two of the articles you've linked to so far in this comment thread about welfare for the rich use information provided by the libertarian Cato Institute. Libertarians are aware of, report on, and advocate reducing welfare for the rich.

    So since libertarians want to end welfare for the rich, they should receive support from blacks, right? Actually, according to the book "Beyond Liberal and Conservative" by Maddox and Lilie less than 4% of libertarians are black. Since blacks make up 12% of the population, an individual black is much less likely to be a libertarian than an individual white. Unfortunately, rather than supporting reducing overall welfare transfers, blacks apparently just want more of them sent in their direction.

    Replies: @Truth

  29. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/usatodaylife/status/754023424717094912

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/23cf5402a755d1e80ad02e22c9ed48b62010c5bb/c=0-360-2800-1942/local/-/media/2016/07/15/USATODAY/USATODAY/636041948760700613-jones-goldberg.jpg

    Replies: @songbird, @DanHessinMD

    The whole crush of censorship began when Milo Y may have said something unflattering about Leslie Jones’ appearance.

  30. @TelfoedJohn
    @Malcolm Y

    As the marketing people say, there is STATED intent and ACTUAL intent. The actual intent has already been analysed by dating apps: https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/okcupid-race_n_5811840?ri18n=true

    https://i.huffpost.com/gen/2054856/original.jpg

    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.

    Replies: @anon, @JohnPlywood

    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.

    You’re cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy of white women being considered attractive.

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data has white women ranked below Asian and Latina women:

    A similar result was found for the 2014 data from a similar app, DateHookup’s “Let’s Meet”:

    The same trend was repeated yet again in a study of interactions using the dating app “Are You Interested”. Asian and Latina women outperformed white women. Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren’t pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:

    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/

    There is a scientific basis for men’s preference of Asian and Latina women over white women. That’s because men rate Asian women and half-Asian more attractive than white women; half-Asian women being a close phenotypical proxy for Latina women.

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191

    In experiment 1, Caucasian participants rated own-race composites as more attractive than other-race composites, but only for male faces. However, mixed-race (Caucasian/Japanese) composites were significantly more attractive than own-race composites, particularly for the opposite sex. In experiment 2, Caucasian and Japanese participants living in Australia and Japan, respectively, selected the most attractive face from a continuum with exaggerated Caucasian characteristics at one end and exaggerated Japanese characteristics at the other, with intervening images including a Caucasian averaged composite, a mixed-race averaged composite, and a Japanese averaged composite. The most attractive face was, again, a mixed-race composite, for both Caucasian and Japanese participants. In experiment 3, Caucasian participants rated individual Eurasian faces as significantly more attractive than either Caucasian or Asian faces

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.

    Here, we explore whether Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces. Thirty-five Malaysian Chinese (20 male) and 30 Australian White (12 male) participants manipulated 100 face photographs (50 Asian; 50 White; half male) on a masculinity/femininity axis to optimize attractive appearance. As predicted, White women’s faces were increased more in femininity than Asian women’s faces, and White men’s faces were feminized more than Asian men’s faces to optimize attractiveness. These findings suggest that White faces are perceived as more masculine than Asian faces.

    Results of a study by Lynch:

    Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive than white men. Meaning women’s attraction to white men is not based solely on looks, but takes in to account attributes like status, employment, income, education, etc.

    So no, men don’t prefer white and Asian women — they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc. The preference for white men is considerably less palpable and isn’t based solely on looks, like it is for women. If black men could stay out of prison and hold down jobs they would probably rank higher than white men.

    • Replies: @anon
    @JohnPlywood

    So no, men don’t prefer white and Asian women — they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc.

    Lol. Trolling with the same old flawed stuff, and something new, too?

    Latinas are not East Asian, dude.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @black dog
    @JohnPlywood

    This might be because many white men are wary of highly feminised white women and prefer Asian or Latina women because they're perceived (rightly or wrongly) as being better partner material. This notion has been common enough since the 80s. It's hard to separate such considerations from aesthetics such as physical beauty. Also, many men see such female"adornments" such as piercings, tattoos, hair colour not found in nature outside the parrot family and excessive makeup as warning flags. Asian and Latin women tend to be more natural looking.

    , @ThreeCranes
    @JohnPlywood


    "Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive (sic) than white men."
     
    You're right. Black men are more attactive, though I believe you mean "attacktive". Odd usage, but I get your point. Black men are much more likely to assault someone on the street for no discernible reason than men of any other race, though I fail to see how this fact bears upon the subject under consideration.

    Anyway, back to attractiveness, where do you see the trend lines to support your conclusion that black men are more attractive than white men? The lower left quadrant of women responding to men is "lowest response rates", you know, in which black men do outpace everyone else except in the eyes of black women.

    One thing we can glean; lowest response rates......everyone to black women. Which pretty much puts paid the lie that Southern plantation owners raped their negress slaves. More likely is that the black belles threw themselves at their white slave owners and submitted eagerly. Remember, at the time, blacks in Africa were not shy about sex and did not share white morality about fidelity and the like. In evaluating history, it's important to see things in the context in which they occurred.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @TelfoedJohn
    @JohnPlywood


    Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren’t pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:
     
    The data is not conclusive about that. For instance, the 2009 data shows the opposite (Asian/White).

    The dating market has changed a lot since 2009 though. It's more "hookups" than dates. More bed-partner than life-partner. And more fat white women. I would guess that around 2000, White women became less attractive than Asians and Latinos due to their weight and certain unappealing personality traits that were being promoted.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @martin_2
    @JohnPlywood

    Bear in mind that we are discussing white women in America. If the UK (where I am) is anything to go by then it is no wonder white women are perceived as less attractive than Orientals, since they are usually a stone or two overweight and don't look after themselves very well. Eastern European women and women from Russia are a different proposition.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @Paperback Writer
    @JohnPlywood

    Interesting stuff. But you're saying that "men" prefer these women in that order - what we're seeing is men who frequent online dating sites. What percentage of men who actually get married frequent dating sites? I don't know myself.

    The two studies you cite are about Asians and whites so blacks are irrelevant to that.

    The bar charts ("Lynch") - can we have a link? I'd like to see sample size. Also, have you heard of the phrase "replication crisis"? I find it hard to believe that Asian women find black men more attractive than they do white men.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    You’re cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy
     
    Which is exactly what you are doing. You have no idea how the OKcupid membership compares to the general population. Moreover...

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data
     
    The fact that results from two selected years have such wide variability should clue you in the unreliability of the said data.

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.
     
    That assertion can be falsified very easily. Yes, WMAF marriages are twice as common as AMWF ones, but not when you look at the dataset where the Asian partners are American-born (in which the gap between the pairing shrinks to a few percentage points). This should tell you the real reason for the large gap is not “feminine face” of Asian males, but the lack of acculturation and consequently lower status among foreign-born Asian males. Unless, of course, you think that simply being born in America makes faces of Asian males more masculine...

    they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc.
     
    Latinas don’t have “East Asian ancestry.” Indigenous American are descendants of the people in Asia (with west Asian affinity) who were pushed out by ancestors of East Asians (which is why they don’t have similar IQ’s or average brain volume for example). To the extent that Latinas have fair skin, it is from their European ancestry while East Asian fair skin is convergent evolution by different mechanism.

    Marriage data shows highest pairing success for Asian males in America (both foreign- and American-born) among men and the same for Asian women among women. In contrast, it shows the lowest success for black women. Among men, black men have the lowest.

    https://i1.wp.com/fabiusmaximus.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Marriage-rates-for-Americans-by-race-and-ethnicity.jpg

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

  31. @Truth
    @Joe Stalin

    When what adds up?

    https://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-vs-social-welfare/

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionaires-wealth-grows-trillion-pandemic_n_60592944c5b6d6c2a2a95faf

    At least pretend you have a brain, Old Sport.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Mark G.

    I can see the my taxpayer money being used to line government employee pockets; I can go over to the local Chicago public school and look at the parking lot and see NO junkers. The Chicago Public Library didn’t lay off any employees during the height of the pandemic; pure welfare because people like you think taxpayers are a source of infinite funds

    Billionaire wealth grows? Did a billionaire hold a gun to your head and force you to buy something? Unlike the government in Chicago, which forces us consumers to cough up 7 cents for a lousy shopping bag when store was giving them out free; courtesy of Democrat Mayor Rahm Emanual.

    D. In remitting the tax to a wholesaler, a store shall be allowed a credit of two cents per checkout bag purchased.

    E. In remitting the tax to the Department, a wholesaler shall be allowed the same two-cent-per bag credit provided in (D), resulting in a five-cents-per-bag required remittance to the Department.

    https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/fin/supp_info/revenue/tax_list/CheckoutBagTax.html

    Look at that, Chicago grabs 5 cents of every bag so they can give my money away to some Democrat.

    Old Sport, you are totally unpersuasive because I can see where my money is going.

  32. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    You’ll never find another group as self-absorbed as blacks. Everything is about them. Evolution didn’t stop and isn’t limited to outward appearances such as hair but also has something to do with brain structure. They’re incapable of seeing things from another’s perspective. That’s why whenever one of them writes about something it’s always about race, that is, all they ever do is write about themselves. They’ve never evolved past this point.

  33. @Truth
    @Joe Stalin

    When what adds up?

    https://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-vs-social-welfare/

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionaires-wealth-grows-trillion-pandemic_n_60592944c5b6d6c2a2a95faf

    At least pretend you have a brain, Old Sport.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Mark G.

    Two of the articles you’ve linked to so far in this comment thread about welfare for the rich use information provided by the libertarian Cato Institute. Libertarians are aware of, report on, and advocate reducing welfare for the rich.

    So since libertarians want to end welfare for the rich, they should receive support from blacks, right? Actually, according to the book “Beyond Liberal and Conservative” by Maddox and Lilie less than 4% of libertarians are black. Since blacks make up 12% of the population, an individual black is much less likely to be a libertarian than an individual white. Unfortunately, rather than supporting reducing overall welfare transfers, blacks apparently just want more of them sent in their direction.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Mark G.


    o since libertarians want to end welfare for the rich, they should receive support from blacks, right? Actually, according to the book “Beyond Liberal and Conservative” by Maddox and Lilie less than 4% of libertarians are black.
     
    There you go, seeing the world in black and white again.

    Old Sport. Please move into the 70's and buy a color Khazar Indoctrination Box, Gilligan's Island is much more beautiful in it.

    It astonishes me sometimes just how ridiculously simple and superficial the Khazar distraction tactics you people run your life on, really are.

    But then most of the time, it really doesn't.

  34. @Mark G.
    @Truth

    Two of the articles you've linked to so far in this comment thread about welfare for the rich use information provided by the libertarian Cato Institute. Libertarians are aware of, report on, and advocate reducing welfare for the rich.

    So since libertarians want to end welfare for the rich, they should receive support from blacks, right? Actually, according to the book "Beyond Liberal and Conservative" by Maddox and Lilie less than 4% of libertarians are black. Since blacks make up 12% of the population, an individual black is much less likely to be a libertarian than an individual white. Unfortunately, rather than supporting reducing overall welfare transfers, blacks apparently just want more of them sent in their direction.

    Replies: @Truth

    o since libertarians want to end welfare for the rich, they should receive support from blacks, right? Actually, according to the book “Beyond Liberal and Conservative” by Maddox and Lilie less than 4% of libertarians are black.

    There you go, seeing the world in black and white again.

    Old Sport. Please move into the 70’s and buy a color Khazar Indoctrination Box, Gilligan’s Island is much more beautiful in it.

    It astonishes me sometimes just how ridiculously simple and superficial the Khazar distraction tactics you people run your life on, really are.

    But then most of the time, it really doesn’t.

  35. @Truth
    @Joe Stalin


    When will the taxpayers acquire enough brains to finally say: “Oh Hell NO!?”
     
    I don't know, when will YOU?

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ten-examples-of-welfare-for-the-rich-and-corporations_b_4589188

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhZf8cYJN6wJhdNp7Q

    https://newrepublic.com/article/158203/pandemic-welfare-state-one-percent

    It is the lame-brained imbeciles like yourself that have let these silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country.

    And you are going to get what is coming to you.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Ace, @Boomthorkell, @Jay Fink

    Try to stay focused.

  36. @JohnPlywood
    @TelfoedJohn


    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.
     
    You're cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy of white women being considered attractive.

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data has white women ranked below Asian and Latina women:

    https://i.imgur.com/DBwWIh0.png


    A similar result was found for the 2014 data from a similar app, DateHookup's "Let's Meet":


    https://cdn01.vulcanpost.com/wp-uploads/2014/09/scores2014.png


    The same trend was repeated yet again in a study of interactions using the dating app "Are You Interested". Asian and Latina women outperformed white women. Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren't pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:


    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png


    There is a scientific basis for men's preference of Asian and Latina women over white women. That's because men rate Asian women and half-Asian more attractive than white women; half-Asian women being a close phenotypical proxy for Latina women.


    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191


    In experiment 1, Caucasian participants rated own-race composites as more attractive than other-race composites, but only for male faces. However, mixed-race (Caucasian/Japanese) composites were significantly more attractive than own-race composites, particularly for the opposite sex. In experiment 2, Caucasian and Japanese participants living in Australia and Japan, respectively, selected the most attractive face from a continuum with exaggerated Caucasian characteristics at one end and exaggerated Japanese characteristics at the other, with intervening images including a Caucasian averaged composite, a mixed-race averaged composite, and a Japanese averaged composite. The most attractive face was, again, a mixed-race composite, for both Caucasian and Japanese participants. In experiment 3, Caucasian participants rated individual Eurasian faces as significantly more attractive than either Caucasian or Asian faces
     
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.

    Here, we explore whether Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces. Thirty-five Malaysian Chinese (20 male) and 30 Australian White (12 male) participants manipulated 100 face photographs (50 Asian; 50 White; half male) on a masculinity/femininity axis to optimize attractive appearance. As predicted, White women’s faces were increased more in femininity than Asian women’s faces, and White men’s faces were feminized more than Asian men’s faces to optimize attractiveness. These findings suggest that White faces are perceived as more masculine than Asian faces.
     

    Results of a study by Lynch:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive than white men. Meaning women's attraction to white men is not based solely on looks, but takes in to account attributes like status, employment, income, education, etc.

    So no, men don't prefer white and Asian women -- they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc. The preference for white men is considerably less palpable and isn't based solely on looks, like it is for women. If black men could stay out of prison and hold down jobs they would probably rank higher than white men.

    Replies: @anon, @black dog, @ThreeCranes, @TelfoedJohn, @martin_2, @Paperback Writer, @Twinkie

    So no, men don’t prefer white and Asian women — they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc.

    Lol. Trolling with the same old flawed stuff, and something new, too?

    Latinas are not East Asian, dude.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @anon

    Nothing was flawed there except for your brain. Hispanic Americans are intermediate between East Asians and White Americans, genetically, with Mexicans being slightly tilted toward East Asians on PCA. Native Americans are considered East Asians, genetically. Hence why Hapas often get compared to Mexicans.

  37. @Truth
    @Joe Stalin


    When will the taxpayers acquire enough brains to finally say: “Oh Hell NO!?”
     
    I don't know, when will YOU?

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ten-examples-of-welfare-for-the-rich-and-corporations_b_4589188

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhZf8cYJN6wJhdNp7Q

    https://newrepublic.com/article/158203/pandemic-welfare-state-one-percent

    It is the lame-brained imbeciles like yourself that have let these silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country.

    And you are going to get what is coming to you.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Ace, @Boomthorkell, @Jay Fink

    Why not end both, or replace both with UBI for all and carefully crafted investment?

    You seemed to be operating under the odd notion that the people on this site don’t already distrust the government and oligarcht it enabled and protects. A person can complain about both high, mid, and low level waste without being “a blind sheep.”

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Boomthorkell

    You're right, but why not first end the one that costs the most money, BY FAR!?

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

  38. Black women are sometimes attractive but not often.
    What is very interesting though is how different blacks are depending on where they are from. The African blacks see American blacks as barbaric animals. In some cities you meet a lot of french speaking Africans and they are very polite and self-contained- like the french- but they don’t even try to hide their contempt for their American cousins. It is similar with the Carribean blacks, who are much more on the ball in how they deal with people and better at running a business.
    American blacks have bought a bill of goods, sold by hebes, and now have barbarism and stupidity as cultural ideals. Both are very ugly traits.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen


    American blacks have bought a bill of goods, sold by hebes, and now have barbarism and stupidity as cultural ideals
     
    Again, you nailed it.
  39. @songbird
    @MEH 0910

    Nobody can convince me that Whoopi wasn't at least partly promoted because of her surname.

    I'm not saying they were promoting one of their one. But either there was an unconscious bias, or they thought it was a funny joke, or used it as conversation opener.

    Replies: @Marty, @Not Only Wrathful

    She won an Academy Award for Best Actress in 1985, therefore she earned it

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Not Only Wrathful

    There are too many award shows, starting with the Academy Awards.

  40. @anon
    @TelfoedJohn

    That OK Cupid data is from 2009, it would be interesting to see if any substantial change has happened in the last 12 years. Perhaps stated preference has changed even as revealed has not?

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    It seems black men have become more popular since then. Although even in 2009 I would have been surprised at these results, specifically the lack of attraction to black men from non-black women.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Jay Fink

    It's the opposite. Black male sexual market value has decreased since the 2000s, with the decline of black music (RnB, house, etc) and deterioration/reappropriation of hip hop. Y whites.

    The relative popularity of black male-white female relationships peaked in the 1990s-2000s and has since declined. Note that black men are becoming more celibate:

    https://i.redd.it/w30yn96uzvv01.png

  41. @JohnPlywood
    @TelfoedJohn


    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.
     
    You're cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy of white women being considered attractive.

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data has white women ranked below Asian and Latina women:

    https://i.imgur.com/DBwWIh0.png


    A similar result was found for the 2014 data from a similar app, DateHookup's "Let's Meet":


    https://cdn01.vulcanpost.com/wp-uploads/2014/09/scores2014.png


    The same trend was repeated yet again in a study of interactions using the dating app "Are You Interested". Asian and Latina women outperformed white women. Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren't pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:


    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png


    There is a scientific basis for men's preference of Asian and Latina women over white women. That's because men rate Asian women and half-Asian more attractive than white women; half-Asian women being a close phenotypical proxy for Latina women.


    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191


    In experiment 1, Caucasian participants rated own-race composites as more attractive than other-race composites, but only for male faces. However, mixed-race (Caucasian/Japanese) composites were significantly more attractive than own-race composites, particularly for the opposite sex. In experiment 2, Caucasian and Japanese participants living in Australia and Japan, respectively, selected the most attractive face from a continuum with exaggerated Caucasian characteristics at one end and exaggerated Japanese characteristics at the other, with intervening images including a Caucasian averaged composite, a mixed-race averaged composite, and a Japanese averaged composite. The most attractive face was, again, a mixed-race composite, for both Caucasian and Japanese participants. In experiment 3, Caucasian participants rated individual Eurasian faces as significantly more attractive than either Caucasian or Asian faces
     
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.

    Here, we explore whether Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces. Thirty-five Malaysian Chinese (20 male) and 30 Australian White (12 male) participants manipulated 100 face photographs (50 Asian; 50 White; half male) on a masculinity/femininity axis to optimize attractive appearance. As predicted, White women’s faces were increased more in femininity than Asian women’s faces, and White men’s faces were feminized more than Asian men’s faces to optimize attractiveness. These findings suggest that White faces are perceived as more masculine than Asian faces.
     

    Results of a study by Lynch:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:213[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive than white men. Meaning women's attraction to white men is not based solely on looks, but takes in to account attributes like status, employment, income, education, etc.

    So no, men don't prefer white and Asian women -- they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc. The preference for white men is considerably less palpable and isn't based solely on looks, like it is for women. If black men could stay out of prison and hold down jobs they would probably rank higher than white men.

    Replies: @anon, @black dog, @ThreeCranes, @TelfoedJohn, @martin_2, @Paperback Writer, @Twinkie

    This might be because many white men are wary of highly feminised white women and prefer Asian or Latina women because they’re perceived (rightly or wrongly) as being better partner material. This notion has been common enough since the 80s. It’s hard to separate such considerations from aesthetics such as physical beauty. Also, many men see such female”adornments” such as piercings, tattoos, hair colour not found in nature outside the parrot family and excessive makeup as warning flags. Asian and Latin women tend to be more natural looking.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  42. @Truth
    @Joe Stalin


    When will the taxpayers acquire enough brains to finally say: “Oh Hell NO!?”
     
    I don't know, when will YOU?

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ten-examples-of-welfare-for-the-rich-and-corporations_b_4589188

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhZf8cYJN6wJhdNp7Q

    https://newrepublic.com/article/158203/pandemic-welfare-state-one-percent

    It is the lame-brained imbeciles like yourself that have let these silly and numerically insignificant distractions sidetrack this country.

    And you are going to get what is coming to you.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Ace, @Boomthorkell, @Jay Fink

    I am not a fan of corporate welfare. I hate bailouts, TARP was upsetting to me and I was not a fan of Trump’s tax cuts. With all that being said I find giving welfare to the ghetto poor much worse than corporate welfare. It rewards the worst in human behavior. It’s also unfair to the working poor who are just above the line to qualify for anything. They have to pay overinflated food and housing costs while their ghetto counterparts get it all for free.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Jay Fink


    I am not a fan of corporate welfare. I hate bailouts, TARP was upsetting to me and I was not a fan of Trump’s tax cuts. With all that being said I find giving welfare to the ghetto poor much worse than corporate welfare.
     
    Good, Old Sport; you're "not a fan" of corporate welfare.

    Allow me to help you "hate" corporate welfare, and feel a lot more sympathy for social welfare...

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938

    Replies: @Mark G.

  43. @JohnPlywood
    @TelfoedJohn


    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.
     
    You're cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy of white women being considered attractive.

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data has white women ranked below Asian and Latina women:

    https://i.imgur.com/DBwWIh0.png


    A similar result was found for the 2014 data from a similar app, DateHookup's "Let's Meet":


    https://cdn01.vulcanpost.com/wp-uploads/2014/09/scores2014.png


    The same trend was repeated yet again in a study of interactions using the dating app "Are You Interested". Asian and Latina women outperformed white women. Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren't pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:


    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png


    There is a scientific basis for men's preference of Asian and Latina women over white women. That's because men rate Asian women and half-Asian more attractive than white women; half-Asian women being a close phenotypical proxy for Latina women.


    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191


    In experiment 1, Caucasian participants rated own-race composites as more attractive than other-race composites, but only for male faces. However, mixed-race (Caucasian/Japanese) composites were significantly more attractive than own-race composites, particularly for the opposite sex. In experiment 2, Caucasian and Japanese participants living in Australia and Japan, respectively, selected the most attractive face from a continuum with exaggerated Caucasian characteristics at one end and exaggerated Japanese characteristics at the other, with intervening images including a Caucasian averaged composite, a mixed-race averaged composite, and a Japanese averaged composite. The most attractive face was, again, a mixed-race composite, for both Caucasian and Japanese participants. In experiment 3, Caucasian participants rated individual Eurasian faces as significantly more attractive than either Caucasian or Asian faces
     
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.

    Here, we explore whether Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces. Thirty-five Malaysian Chinese (20 male) and 30 Australian White (12 male) participants manipulated 100 face photographs (50 Asian; 50 White; half male) on a masculinity/femininity axis to optimize attractive appearance. As predicted, White women’s faces were increased more in femininity than Asian women’s faces, and White men’s faces were feminized more than Asian men’s faces to optimize attractiveness. These findings suggest that White faces are perceived as more masculine than Asian faces.
     

    Results of a study by Lynch:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive than white men. Meaning women's attraction to white men is not based solely on looks, but takes in to account attributes like status, employment, income, education, etc.

    So no, men don't prefer white and Asian women -- they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc. The preference for white men is considerably less palpable and isn't based solely on looks, like it is for women. If black men could stay out of prison and hold down jobs they would probably rank higher than white men.

    Replies: @anon, @black dog, @ThreeCranes, @TelfoedJohn, @martin_2, @Paperback Writer, @Twinkie

    “Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive (sic) than white men.”

    You’re right. Black men are more attactive, though I believe you mean “attacktive”. Odd usage, but I get your point. Black men are much more likely to assault someone on the street for no discernible reason than men of any other race, though I fail to see how this fact bears upon the subject under consideration.

    Anyway, back to attractiveness, where do you see the trend lines to support your conclusion that black men are more attractive than white men? The lower left quadrant of women responding to men is “lowest response rates”, you know, in which black men do outpace everyone else except in the eyes of black women.

    One thing we can glean; lowest response rates……everyone to black women. Which pretty much puts paid the lie that Southern plantation owners raped their negress slaves. More likely is that the black belles threw themselves at their white slave owners and submitted eagerly. Remember, at the time, blacks in Africa were not shy about sex and did not share white morality about fidelity and the like. In evaluating history, it’s important to see things in the context in which they occurred.

    • LOL: martin_2
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @ThreeCranes


    Anyway, back to attractiveness, where do you see the trend lines to support your conclusion that black men are more attractive than white men? The lower left quadrant of women responding to men is “lowest response rates”, you know, in which black men do outpace everyone else except in the eyes of black women.
     
    Well dummy, if you read my post you may have noticed that I pointed out that black men are losing on dating apps because they are statistically more likely to be convicts, unemployed, uneducated, poor, etc.


    The trend lines to support black male attractiveness come from this image, taken from a study in which volunteer women and men rated images of the opposite sex:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    As you can see, all races of women rated black men more attractive in this study.

    One thing we can glean; lowest response rates……everyone to black women. Which pretty much puts paid the lie that Southern plantation owners raped their negress slaves. More likely is that the black belles threw themselves at their white slave owners and submitted eagerly. Remember, at the time, blacks in Africa were not shy about sex and did not share white morality about fidelity and the like. In evaluating history, it’s important to see things in the context in which they occurred.
     
    Except that the rape of black women by white Southerners is not a lie, but an attested historical and genetic reality:


    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(20)30200-7

    Despite more than 60% of enslaved people brought to each region of the Americas being men,5 comparisons of ancestry estimates for the X chromosome and autosomes, as well as the comparison of mitochondrial (maternal) and Y (paternal) haplogroups, revealed a bias toward African female contributions to gene pools across all of the Americas.64,65 However, this African female sex bias is more extreme in Latin America (between 4 and 17 African women for every African man contributing to the gene pool) than in British-colonized Americas (between 1.5 and 2 African women for every African man contributing to the gene pool; Table 1). An Americas-wide African female sex-bias can be attributed to known accounts of rape of enslaved African women by slave owners and other sexual exploitation.19,26,62,66
     
    The major factor limiting black women's appeal seems to be bodyweight -- African American women are 50% more likely to be obese than white women. With that in mind, White American women's ~1 point lead over black women seems far less impressive than it really is. If black women had a comparable bodyweight to white women, I suspect they would be rated higher than them.

    Nevertheless, the takeaway from this data was not that black women are rated lowest, but that white women fail to get more responses than Asian or Latina women, despite outnumbering them. White women performed worse than black women on the dating apps, and getting fewer responses than Asian women (2.5% of this country) is pathetic.


    In the Old South, the most prized woman among white men was the "Jezebel", a mixture of white and black.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @unit472

  44. @ThreeCranes
    @JohnPlywood


    "Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive (sic) than white men."
     
    You're right. Black men are more attactive, though I believe you mean "attacktive". Odd usage, but I get your point. Black men are much more likely to assault someone on the street for no discernible reason than men of any other race, though I fail to see how this fact bears upon the subject under consideration.

    Anyway, back to attractiveness, where do you see the trend lines to support your conclusion that black men are more attractive than white men? The lower left quadrant of women responding to men is "lowest response rates", you know, in which black men do outpace everyone else except in the eyes of black women.

    One thing we can glean; lowest response rates......everyone to black women. Which pretty much puts paid the lie that Southern plantation owners raped their negress slaves. More likely is that the black belles threw themselves at their white slave owners and submitted eagerly. Remember, at the time, blacks in Africa were not shy about sex and did not share white morality about fidelity and the like. In evaluating history, it's important to see things in the context in which they occurred.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Anyway, back to attractiveness, where do you see the trend lines to support your conclusion that black men are more attractive than white men? The lower left quadrant of women responding to men is “lowest response rates”, you know, in which black men do outpace everyone else except in the eyes of black women.

    Well dummy, if you read my post you may have noticed that I pointed out that black men are losing on dating apps because they are statistically more likely to be convicts, unemployed, uneducated, poor, etc.

    The trend lines to support black male attractiveness come from this image, taken from a study in which volunteer women and men rated images of the opposite sex:

    As you can see, all races of women rated black men more attractive in this study.

    One thing we can glean; lowest response rates……everyone to black women. Which pretty much puts paid the lie that Southern plantation owners raped their negress slaves. More likely is that the black belles threw themselves at their white slave owners and submitted eagerly. Remember, at the time, blacks in Africa were not shy about sex and did not share white morality about fidelity and the like. In evaluating history, it’s important to see things in the context in which they occurred.

    Except that the rape of black women by white Southerners is not a lie, but an attested historical and genetic reality:

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(20)30200-7

    Despite more than 60% of enslaved people brought to each region of the Americas being men,5 comparisons of ancestry estimates for the X chromosome and autosomes, as well as the comparison of mitochondrial (maternal) and Y (paternal) haplogroups, revealed a bias toward African female contributions to gene pools across all of the Americas.64,65 However, this African female sex bias is more extreme in Latin America (between 4 and 17 African women for every African man contributing to the gene pool) than in British-colonized Americas (between 1.5 and 2 African women for every African man contributing to the gene pool; Table 1). An Americas-wide African female sex-bias can be attributed to known accounts of rape of enslaved African women by slave owners and other sexual exploitation.19,26,62,66

    The major factor limiting black women’s appeal seems to be bodyweight — African American women are 50% more likely to be obese than white women. With that in mind, White American women’s ~1 point lead over black women seems far less impressive than it really is. If black women had a comparable bodyweight to white women, I suspect they would be rated higher than them.

    Nevertheless, the takeaway from this data was not that black women are rated lowest, but that white women fail to get more responses than Asian or Latina women, despite outnumbering them. White women performed worse than black women on the dating apps, and getting fewer responses than Asian women (2.5% of this country) is pathetic.

    In the Old South, the most prized woman among white men was the “Jezebel”, a mixture of white and black.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @JohnPlywood


    " An Americas-wide African female sex-bias can be attributed to known accounts of rape of enslaved African women by slave owners and other sexual exploitation."

     

    "Can be", John, "can be".

    In fifty years, your grand daughter will write articles in which twerking by black women on black video websites shall be described as behavior forced upon them by an oppressive white, male hierarchy and, as such, evidence that the legacy of slavery had persisted into the 21st century.

    When in reality, both you and I know that black women just like shaking their booty in anyone's and everyone's face and that it is the equivalent of display behavior by lower-order, primate females demonstrating that they are in heat and receptive. No one is forcing them to do it; it's just who they are. And were, back in 1800.

    Admit it, John. Black women were turned on by Massa. As Trump said, Power is a powerful aphrodisiac, or afrodisiac. It was a two-way street.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @unit472
    @JohnPlywood

    I think you are ignoring the economic incentive black female slaves afforded their owner. A white man could impregnate his female slave and gain a valuable child he could sell in a few years. That the child was a mulatto did not harm its value and if it was female enhanced it.

    My guess is on remote farms men would have mated with their horses and pigs if they could obtain the same economic benefit from the activity

    Replies: @Truth

  45. @Truth
    @Buzz Mohawk


    If they knew the truth, they would probably burn down even more buildings and sucker-punch even more better-looking white people.
     
    Well, at least you'll be safe Old Sport.

    Replies: @Escher, @ThreeCranes

    Youse funny as f**k, homie.

    • Thanks: Truth
  46. @JohnPlywood
    @ThreeCranes


    Anyway, back to attractiveness, where do you see the trend lines to support your conclusion that black men are more attractive than white men? The lower left quadrant of women responding to men is “lowest response rates”, you know, in which black men do outpace everyone else except in the eyes of black women.
     
    Well dummy, if you read my post you may have noticed that I pointed out that black men are losing on dating apps because they are statistically more likely to be convicts, unemployed, uneducated, poor, etc.


    The trend lines to support black male attractiveness come from this image, taken from a study in which volunteer women and men rated images of the opposite sex:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    As you can see, all races of women rated black men more attractive in this study.

    One thing we can glean; lowest response rates……everyone to black women. Which pretty much puts paid the lie that Southern plantation owners raped their negress slaves. More likely is that the black belles threw themselves at their white slave owners and submitted eagerly. Remember, at the time, blacks in Africa were not shy about sex and did not share white morality about fidelity and the like. In evaluating history, it’s important to see things in the context in which they occurred.
     
    Except that the rape of black women by white Southerners is not a lie, but an attested historical and genetic reality:


    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(20)30200-7

    Despite more than 60% of enslaved people brought to each region of the Americas being men,5 comparisons of ancestry estimates for the X chromosome and autosomes, as well as the comparison of mitochondrial (maternal) and Y (paternal) haplogroups, revealed a bias toward African female contributions to gene pools across all of the Americas.64,65 However, this African female sex bias is more extreme in Latin America (between 4 and 17 African women for every African man contributing to the gene pool) than in British-colonized Americas (between 1.5 and 2 African women for every African man contributing to the gene pool; Table 1). An Americas-wide African female sex-bias can be attributed to known accounts of rape of enslaved African women by slave owners and other sexual exploitation.19,26,62,66
     
    The major factor limiting black women's appeal seems to be bodyweight -- African American women are 50% more likely to be obese than white women. With that in mind, White American women's ~1 point lead over black women seems far less impressive than it really is. If black women had a comparable bodyweight to white women, I suspect they would be rated higher than them.

    Nevertheless, the takeaway from this data was not that black women are rated lowest, but that white women fail to get more responses than Asian or Latina women, despite outnumbering them. White women performed worse than black women on the dating apps, and getting fewer responses than Asian women (2.5% of this country) is pathetic.


    In the Old South, the most prized woman among white men was the "Jezebel", a mixture of white and black.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @unit472

    ” An Americas-wide African female sex-bias can be attributed to known accounts of rape of enslaved African women by slave owners and other sexual exploitation.”

    “Can be”, John, “can be”.

    In fifty years, your grand daughter will write articles in which twerking by black women on black video websites shall be described as behavior forced upon them by an oppressive white, male hierarchy and, as such, evidence that the legacy of slavery had persisted into the 21st century.

    When in reality, both you and I know that black women just like shaking their booty in anyone’s and everyone’s face and that it is the equivalent of display behavior by lower-order, primate females demonstrating that they are in heat and receptive. No one is forcing them to do it; it’s just who they are. And were, back in 1800.

    Admit it, John. Black women were turned on by Massa. As Trump said, Power is a powerful aphrodisiac, or afrodisiac. It was a two-way street.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @ThreeCranes

    Please provide a single historical attestation of black slave women being attracted to white men, to counter the scholarly consensus that they were raped en masse.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @no jack london, @ThreeCranes

  47. @Truth
    @Buzz Mohawk


    If they knew the truth, they would probably burn down even more buildings and sucker-punch even more better-looking white people.
     
    Well, at least you'll be safe Old Sport.

    Replies: @Escher, @ThreeCranes

    Is anyone really “safe” around black people? Ever?

    Being safe around black people means never turning your back on them. That’s why it’s so pernicious to have them around in any numbers. They make relaxing impossible. A person can’t take their current well-being for granted. They suck the joy out of any room. When they’re not mugging you, they’re hitting you up or dressing you down.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Truth
    @ThreeCranes



    Being safe around black people means never turning your back on them. That’s why it’s so pernicious to have them around in any numbers. They make relaxing impossible. A person can’t take their current well-being for granted. They suck the joy out of any room. When they’re not mugging you, they’re hitting you up or dressing you down.
     
    Well again, my friend, it's all a matter of perspective, and, the framing your slavemasters have allowed you...

    Need I remind you that 86% of white people murdered, are murdered by... well... you know...

    If I may, allow me to introduce you to Luap Yesrek (Paul Kersey spelled backwards).

    https://www.thefairdevil.com/

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

  48. @ThreeCranes
    @JohnPlywood


    " An Americas-wide African female sex-bias can be attributed to known accounts of rape of enslaved African women by slave owners and other sexual exploitation."

     

    "Can be", John, "can be".

    In fifty years, your grand daughter will write articles in which twerking by black women on black video websites shall be described as behavior forced upon them by an oppressive white, male hierarchy and, as such, evidence that the legacy of slavery had persisted into the 21st century.

    When in reality, both you and I know that black women just like shaking their booty in anyone's and everyone's face and that it is the equivalent of display behavior by lower-order, primate females demonstrating that they are in heat and receptive. No one is forcing them to do it; it's just who they are. And were, back in 1800.

    Admit it, John. Black women were turned on by Massa. As Trump said, Power is a powerful aphrodisiac, or afrodisiac. It was a two-way street.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Please provide a single historical attestation of black slave women being attracted to white men, to counter the scholarly consensus that they were raped en masse.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @JohnPlywood

    Sally Hemmings reportedly was quite a hit in Paris - and no one ever claimed Jefferson fathered the sprog she brought back from there
    (which would have made more sense than any of the others).
    Of course you are free to claim he leased her out for political favours :D

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    , @no jack london
    @JohnPlywood

    John:
    What about this scenario: Junior goes down to the swimming hole and finds 16 year old Nellie, daughter of Diana, and exchange a few words washing clothes. They acknowledge each other, exchange a few words, move closer, he says something and she giggles or smiles. Young, raging hormones then do their thing and nature takes over.

    Also, I grew up in a strong semi-Puritan area that had about 10 percent of the military age males volunteering for the Union. Many not returning, others remembered as "hook", "gimmpy", "old Patch Pete"who survived, later died but the legend lived on until theirschool-marm daughters, grand daughters and the Grange passed on. Lot of rumors about those veterans of the Grand Army of the Republic rolling in the hay, cotton and Tobacco Barns of Virginia that persisted long after the long-bearded, mutton-chopped solid citizens and patriots were six feet down. Never heard that these lurid encounters involved Southern Belles.

    BTW recall "Fighting Joe Hooker" Union General from Massachusetts and the entourage that went along with his forces. Any census data a to ethnic composition available?

    , @ThreeCranes
    @JohnPlywood

    Why would White men need to rape women whose culture practiced freely the sharing of wives and concubines with guests and strangers? A culture in which single women and men freely hooked up promiscuously from childhood on?

    Your claim just doesn't make any sense. Like so many others, you perceive the past through the filter of your own values today. Monogamy no more existed in Africa then than it does among American blacks today. The "historical attestation" is all about us. Just look about you. Or hadn't you noticed that black music and videos feature a certain recurrent theme?

    Boy, you sure are dumb. Or act that way when it advances your interests.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Truth

  49. @JohnPlywood
    @TelfoedJohn


    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.
     
    You're cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy of white women being considered attractive.

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data has white women ranked below Asian and Latina women:

    https://i.imgur.com/DBwWIh0.png


    A similar result was found for the 2014 data from a similar app, DateHookup's "Let's Meet":


    https://cdn01.vulcanpost.com/wp-uploads/2014/09/scores2014.png


    The same trend was repeated yet again in a study of interactions using the dating app "Are You Interested". Asian and Latina women outperformed white women. Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren't pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:


    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png


    There is a scientific basis for men's preference of Asian and Latina women over white women. That's because men rate Asian women and half-Asian more attractive than white women; half-Asian women being a close phenotypical proxy for Latina women.


    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191


    In experiment 1, Caucasian participants rated own-race composites as more attractive than other-race composites, but only for male faces. However, mixed-race (Caucasian/Japanese) composites were significantly more attractive than own-race composites, particularly for the opposite sex. In experiment 2, Caucasian and Japanese participants living in Australia and Japan, respectively, selected the most attractive face from a continuum with exaggerated Caucasian characteristics at one end and exaggerated Japanese characteristics at the other, with intervening images including a Caucasian averaged composite, a mixed-race averaged composite, and a Japanese averaged composite. The most attractive face was, again, a mixed-race composite, for both Caucasian and Japanese participants. In experiment 3, Caucasian participants rated individual Eurasian faces as significantly more attractive than either Caucasian or Asian faces
     
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.

    Here, we explore whether Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces. Thirty-five Malaysian Chinese (20 male) and 30 Australian White (12 male) participants manipulated 100 face photographs (50 Asian; 50 White; half male) on a masculinity/femininity axis to optimize attractive appearance. As predicted, White women’s faces were increased more in femininity than Asian women’s faces, and White men’s faces were feminized more than Asian men’s faces to optimize attractiveness. These findings suggest that White faces are perceived as more masculine than Asian faces.
     

    Results of a study by Lynch:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive than white men. Meaning women's attraction to white men is not based solely on looks, but takes in to account attributes like status, employment, income, education, etc.

    So no, men don't prefer white and Asian women -- they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc. The preference for white men is considerably less palpable and isn't based solely on looks, like it is for women. If black men could stay out of prison and hold down jobs they would probably rank higher than white men.

    Replies: @anon, @black dog, @ThreeCranes, @TelfoedJohn, @martin_2, @Paperback Writer, @Twinkie

    Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren’t pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:

    The data is not conclusive about that. For instance, the 2009 data shows the opposite (Asian/White).

    The dating market has changed a lot since 2009 though. It’s more “hookups” than dates. More bed-partner than life-partner. And more fat white women. I would guess that around 2000, White women became less attractive than Asians and Latinos due to their weight and certain unappealing personality traits that were being promoted.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @TelfoedJohn


    The data is not conclusive about that. For instance, the 2009 data shows the opposite (Asian/White).
     
    No ma'am, re-read my post. The 2009 OKCupid data is anomalous and still has Asian women punching above their weight relative to their demographic size.

    * The 2014 OKCupid data shows Asian and Latina women ahead of white women,

    * as does the 2013 Are You Interested data,

    * as does the 2014 Let's Meet data.

    Moreover, multiple studies dating back to 2004 show that men prefer East Asian women on purely physical grounds, and the studies link this tendency to East Asian women's racial features.

    Just stop the coping -- Asian women look better than white women and they always have.

  50. Confidence goes with testosteroneosation. Black men are objectively better looking. Satoshi Kanazawa is often mentioned as saying black women were “objectively less physically attractive”, but never forget what he said about black men.

  51. @anon
    @JohnPlywood

    So no, men don’t prefer white and Asian women — they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc.

    Lol. Trolling with the same old flawed stuff, and something new, too?

    Latinas are not East Asian, dude.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Nothing was flawed there except for your brain. Hispanic Americans are intermediate between East Asians and White Americans, genetically, with Mexicans being slightly tilted toward East Asians on PCA. Native Americans are considered East Asians, genetically. Hence why Hapas often get compared to Mexicans.

  52. @TelfoedJohn
    @JohnPlywood


    Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren’t pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:
     
    The data is not conclusive about that. For instance, the 2009 data shows the opposite (Asian/White).

    The dating market has changed a lot since 2009 though. It's more "hookups" than dates. More bed-partner than life-partner. And more fat white women. I would guess that around 2000, White women became less attractive than Asians and Latinos due to their weight and certain unappealing personality traits that were being promoted.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    The data is not conclusive about that. For instance, the 2009 data shows the opposite (Asian/White).

    No ma’am, re-read my post. The 2009 OKCupid data is anomalous and still has Asian women punching above their weight relative to their demographic size.

    * The 2014 OKCupid data shows Asian and Latina women ahead of white women,

    * as does the 2013 Are You Interested data,

    * as does the 2014 Let’s Meet data.

    Moreover, multiple studies dating back to 2004 show that men prefer East Asian women on purely physical grounds, and the studies link this tendency to East Asian women’s racial features.

    Just stop the coping — Asian women look better than white women and they always have.

  53. @JohnPlywood
    @ThreeCranes


    Anyway, back to attractiveness, where do you see the trend lines to support your conclusion that black men are more attractive than white men? The lower left quadrant of women responding to men is “lowest response rates”, you know, in which black men do outpace everyone else except in the eyes of black women.
     
    Well dummy, if you read my post you may have noticed that I pointed out that black men are losing on dating apps because they are statistically more likely to be convicts, unemployed, uneducated, poor, etc.


    The trend lines to support black male attractiveness come from this image, taken from a study in which volunteer women and men rated images of the opposite sex:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    As you can see, all races of women rated black men more attractive in this study.

    One thing we can glean; lowest response rates……everyone to black women. Which pretty much puts paid the lie that Southern plantation owners raped their negress slaves. More likely is that the black belles threw themselves at their white slave owners and submitted eagerly. Remember, at the time, blacks in Africa were not shy about sex and did not share white morality about fidelity and the like. In evaluating history, it’s important to see things in the context in which they occurred.
     
    Except that the rape of black women by white Southerners is not a lie, but an attested historical and genetic reality:


    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(20)30200-7

    Despite more than 60% of enslaved people brought to each region of the Americas being men,5 comparisons of ancestry estimates for the X chromosome and autosomes, as well as the comparison of mitochondrial (maternal) and Y (paternal) haplogroups, revealed a bias toward African female contributions to gene pools across all of the Americas.64,65 However, this African female sex bias is more extreme in Latin America (between 4 and 17 African women for every African man contributing to the gene pool) than in British-colonized Americas (between 1.5 and 2 African women for every African man contributing to the gene pool; Table 1). An Americas-wide African female sex-bias can be attributed to known accounts of rape of enslaved African women by slave owners and other sexual exploitation.19,26,62,66
     
    The major factor limiting black women's appeal seems to be bodyweight -- African American women are 50% more likely to be obese than white women. With that in mind, White American women's ~1 point lead over black women seems far less impressive than it really is. If black women had a comparable bodyweight to white women, I suspect they would be rated higher than them.

    Nevertheless, the takeaway from this data was not that black women are rated lowest, but that white women fail to get more responses than Asian or Latina women, despite outnumbering them. White women performed worse than black women on the dating apps, and getting fewer responses than Asian women (2.5% of this country) is pathetic.


    In the Old South, the most prized woman among white men was the "Jezebel", a mixture of white and black.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @unit472

    I think you are ignoring the economic incentive black female slaves afforded their owner. A white man could impregnate his female slave and gain a valuable child he could sell in a few years. That the child was a mulatto did not harm its value and if it was female enhanced it.

    My guess is on remote farms men would have mated with their horses and pigs if they could obtain the same economic benefit from the activity

    • Replies: @Truth
    @unit472


    I think you are ignoring the economic incentive black female slaves afforded their owner. A white man could impregnate his female slave and gain a valuable child he could sell in a few years.
     
    This would make your sheboynkin come to life?
  54. @Boomthorkell
    @Truth

    Why not end both, or replace both with UBI for all and carefully crafted investment?

    You seemed to be operating under the odd notion that the people on this site don't already distrust the government and oligarcht it enabled and protects. A person can complain about both high, mid, and low level waste without being "a blind sheep."

    Replies: @Truth

    You’re right, but why not first end the one that costs the most money, BY FAR!?

    • Agree: JimSpriggs
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @Truth

    Oh, sure. Agreed.

    America's first reform should be ending the Empire, its second form replacing the army with a standing militia (army, not military), and it's third reform abolishing corn subsidies.

    Everything else can follow and be debated and tested and committeed and referendumed.

    Everything.

  55. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen
    Black women are sometimes attractive but not often.
    What is very interesting though is how different blacks are depending on where they are from. The African blacks see American blacks as barbaric animals. In some cities you meet a lot of french speaking Africans and they are very polite and self-contained- like the french- but they don't even try to hide their contempt for their American cousins. It is similar with the Carribean blacks, who are much more on the ball in how they deal with people and better at running a business.
    American blacks have bought a bill of goods, sold by hebes, and now have barbarism and stupidity as cultural ideals. Both are very ugly traits.

    Replies: @Truth

    American blacks have bought a bill of goods, sold by hebes, and now have barbarism and stupidity as cultural ideals

    Again, you nailed it.

  56. @Jay Fink
    @Truth

    I am not a fan of corporate welfare. I hate bailouts, TARP was upsetting to me and I was not a fan of Trump's tax cuts. With all that being said I find giving welfare to the ghetto poor much worse than corporate welfare. It rewards the worst in human behavior. It's also unfair to the working poor who are just above the line to qualify for anything. They have to pay overinflated food and housing costs while their ghetto counterparts get it all for free.

    Replies: @Truth

    I am not a fan of corporate welfare. I hate bailouts, TARP was upsetting to me and I was not a fan of Trump’s tax cuts. With all that being said I find giving welfare to the ghetto poor much worse than corporate welfare.

    Good, Old Sport; you’re “not a fan” of corporate welfare.

    Allow me to help you “hate” corporate welfare, and feel a lot more sympathy for social welfare…

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Truth

    The article you linked to says in the headline that it is mostly whites who receive food stamps. Down in the article itself it says that whites get 40% of SNAP benefits while blacks receive only 26%. However, whites make up 70% of the population while blacks are around 12%. This means blacks are more than twice as likely to be receiving SNAP as you would expect from their share of the population. SNAP and many other welfare programs are a redistribution of wealth from whites as a group to blacks as a group.

    If you look at the high rates of black welfare use and crime and the low rates of taxes paid, blacks are a net drain on society. Until the sixties the percentage of blacks married and percentage of blacks in the work force was close to that of whites. Increases in welfare and changes in the culture starting in the sixties have had a devastating effect on the black family, with most black children now growing up in single parent homes.

    This is not to say that welfare for corporations or the rich is not a problem. You don't have to pick one problem to tackle first. You can and should deal with both at the same time. Underlying all forms of welfare is the belief that the purpose of government is to help people, not to protect an individual's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This has led to our trillion dollar a year federal deficits and state and local governments running to the federal government for help. This is not sustainable in the long run so we need to get away from the idea that government is there to take care of everyone.

    Replies: @Truth

  57. @ThreeCranes
    @Truth

    Is anyone really "safe" around black people? Ever?

    Being safe around black people means never turning your back on them. That's why it's so pernicious to have them around in any numbers. They make relaxing impossible. A person can't take their current well-being for granted. They suck the joy out of any room. When they're not mugging you, they're hitting you up or dressing you down.

    Replies: @Truth

    Being safe around black people means never turning your back on them. That’s why it’s so pernicious to have them around in any numbers. They make relaxing impossible. A person can’t take their current well-being for granted. They suck the joy out of any room. When they’re not mugging you, they’re hitting you up or dressing you down.

    Well again, my friend, it’s all a matter of perspective, and, the framing your slavemasters have allowed you…

    Need I remind you that 86% of white people murdered, are murdered by… well… you know…

    If I may, allow me to introduce you to Luap Yesrek (Paul Kersey spelled backwards).

    https://www.thefairdevil.com/

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Truth

    Ahhh, the old murder-rate canard.

    Unfortunately for your argument, violent crime takes many other forms such as assault, armed robbery etc. in which blacks' awesomeness excels that of all other human groups. Not to mention burglary and rape. Interracial rape in particular is a field in which blacks have earned a Nobel. Truly, world beaters. (speaking of which, wife beating too is a black-dominated sport. Right, Sport?)

    But hey, just keep defending them. It only makes you look better and better.

    Replies: @Truth

  58. @unit472
    @JohnPlywood

    I think you are ignoring the economic incentive black female slaves afforded their owner. A white man could impregnate his female slave and gain a valuable child he could sell in a few years. That the child was a mulatto did not harm its value and if it was female enhanced it.

    My guess is on remote farms men would have mated with their horses and pigs if they could obtain the same economic benefit from the activity

    Replies: @Truth

    I think you are ignoring the economic incentive black female slaves afforded their owner. A white man could impregnate his female slave and gain a valuable child he could sell in a few years.

    This would make your sheboynkin come to life?

  59. @Arclight
    Steve Sailer consistently points out that contra the progressive narrative that blacks live with crushing insecurity because of society, in reality they exhibit much higher levels of self esteem than anyone else.

    Now I do think to some extent it's putting on a front, consciously or not. This group is also known for its outsize spending relative to income on 'visible goods' to give the appearance of a higher style of living than reality. Being in the apartment business, I have seen hundreds of examples of how different groups live who are in essentially the same income range, and there is no question that black residents put a much higher premium on having visibly branded/expensive clothing and usually have the most expensive/flashy cars in the parking lot.

    This isn't confined to downscale blacks either. My kids went used to go to a pricy private school, and I couldn't believe my eyes when I realized the gym teacher was driving a Range Rover Sport when I knew his job didn't even pay $50K a year. Whenever I see the latest article or post on 'wealth inequality' between the different groups, no one ever comments on the effect different consumer habits have on the ability to amass real savings over the course of a lifetime.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Paperback Writer

    Steve Sailer consistently points out that contra the progressive narrative that blacks live with crushing insecurity because of society, in reality they exhibit much higher levels of self esteem than anyone else.

    Did it ever occur to you that this is a form of larping? Look at what people do, not what they say. An ethnic group that spends too much good money on harsh chemicals to change their most distinctive ethnic quality deep down insecure.

    (Not to mention that outside the US, in countries where dark skin prevails, skin lightening creams are big business. Especially in Africa. Look it up.)

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @Paperback Writer


    Did it ever occur to you that this is a form of larping? Look at what people do, not what they say. An ethnic group that spends too much good money on harsh chemicals to change their most distinctive ethnic quality deep down insecure.
     
    I don’t know if self-esteem - a very modern notion - is the way to view this. It’s not necessarily about insecurity either. If you don’t have much wealth, then you place more value on physical and material display. Gypsies with gold rings, Hispanics with gold spinning rims, Blacks with gold Nikes. That’s not insecurity, thats just another status language. The middle class white will dress down and repeat something they read in the NYT - that’s their status language.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @dfordoom
    @Paperback Writer



    Steve Sailer consistently points out that contra the progressive narrative that blacks live with crushing insecurity because of society, in reality they exhibit much higher levels of self esteem than anyone else.
     
    Did it ever occur to you that this is a form of larping? Look at what people do, not what they say. An ethnic group that spends too much good money on harsh chemicals to change their most distinctive ethnic quality deep down insecure.
     
    Good point.
  60. I thought I knew about the extent of skin bleaching in Africa but I didn’t. These stats staggered me.

    https://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/april-2019-july-2019/paying-high-price-skin-bleaching

    Statistics compiled by the World Health Organisation in 2011 showed that 40% of African women bleach their skin. In some countries the figure is higher: a staggering 77% of women in Nigeria, 59% in Togo, 35% in South Africa, 27% in Senegal and 25% in Mali use skin-lightening products.

    Personally, I think it’s crazy. There are good looking & bad looking people of all races. People really should accept their racial characteristics. But don’t believe everything you read about black self-image.

  61. @Truth
    @Jay Fink


    I am not a fan of corporate welfare. I hate bailouts, TARP was upsetting to me and I was not a fan of Trump’s tax cuts. With all that being said I find giving welfare to the ghetto poor much worse than corporate welfare.
     
    Good, Old Sport; you're "not a fan" of corporate welfare.

    Allow me to help you "hate" corporate welfare, and feel a lot more sympathy for social welfare...

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938

    Replies: @Mark G.

    The article you linked to says in the headline that it is mostly whites who receive food stamps. Down in the article itself it says that whites get 40% of SNAP benefits while blacks receive only 26%. However, whites make up 70% of the population while blacks are around 12%. This means blacks are more than twice as likely to be receiving SNAP as you would expect from their share of the population. SNAP and many other welfare programs are a redistribution of wealth from whites as a group to blacks as a group.

    If you look at the high rates of black welfare use and crime and the low rates of taxes paid, blacks are a net drain on society. Until the sixties the percentage of blacks married and percentage of blacks in the work force was close to that of whites. Increases in welfare and changes in the culture starting in the sixties have had a devastating effect on the black family, with most black children now growing up in single parent homes.

    This is not to say that welfare for corporations or the rich is not a problem. You don’t have to pick one problem to tackle first. You can and should deal with both at the same time. Underlying all forms of welfare is the belief that the purpose of government is to help people, not to protect an individual’s right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This has led to our trillion dollar a year federal deficits and state and local governments running to the federal government for help. This is not sustainable in the long run so we need to get away from the idea that government is there to take care of everyone.

    • Agree: Jay Fink
    • Replies: @Truth
    @Mark G.


    SNAP and many other welfare programs are a redistribution of wealth from whites as a group to blacks as a group
     
    Now again, King Solomon; how would that be when whites pay and receive most of the benefits?

    Replies: @Mark G., @Paperback Writer

  62. @JohnPlywood
    @TelfoedJohn


    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.
     
    You're cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy of white women being considered attractive.

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data has white women ranked below Asian and Latina women:

    https://i.imgur.com/DBwWIh0.png


    A similar result was found for the 2014 data from a similar app, DateHookup's "Let's Meet":


    https://cdn01.vulcanpost.com/wp-uploads/2014/09/scores2014.png


    The same trend was repeated yet again in a study of interactions using the dating app "Are You Interested". Asian and Latina women outperformed white women. Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren't pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:


    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png


    There is a scientific basis for men's preference of Asian and Latina women over white women. That's because men rate Asian women and half-Asian more attractive than white women; half-Asian women being a close phenotypical proxy for Latina women.


    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191


    In experiment 1, Caucasian participants rated own-race composites as more attractive than other-race composites, but only for male faces. However, mixed-race (Caucasian/Japanese) composites were significantly more attractive than own-race composites, particularly for the opposite sex. In experiment 2, Caucasian and Japanese participants living in Australia and Japan, respectively, selected the most attractive face from a continuum with exaggerated Caucasian characteristics at one end and exaggerated Japanese characteristics at the other, with intervening images including a Caucasian averaged composite, a mixed-race averaged composite, and a Japanese averaged composite. The most attractive face was, again, a mixed-race composite, for both Caucasian and Japanese participants. In experiment 3, Caucasian participants rated individual Eurasian faces as significantly more attractive than either Caucasian or Asian faces
     
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.

    Here, we explore whether Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces. Thirty-five Malaysian Chinese (20 male) and 30 Australian White (12 male) participants manipulated 100 face photographs (50 Asian; 50 White; half male) on a masculinity/femininity axis to optimize attractive appearance. As predicted, White women’s faces were increased more in femininity than Asian women’s faces, and White men’s faces were feminized more than Asian men’s faces to optimize attractiveness. These findings suggest that White faces are perceived as more masculine than Asian faces.
     

    Results of a study by Lynch:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive than white men. Meaning women's attraction to white men is not based solely on looks, but takes in to account attributes like status, employment, income, education, etc.

    So no, men don't prefer white and Asian women -- they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc. The preference for white men is considerably less palpable and isn't based solely on looks, like it is for women. If black men could stay out of prison and hold down jobs they would probably rank higher than white men.

    Replies: @anon, @black dog, @ThreeCranes, @TelfoedJohn, @martin_2, @Paperback Writer, @Twinkie

    Bear in mind that we are discussing white women in America. If the UK (where I am) is anything to go by then it is no wonder white women are perceived as less attractive than Orientals, since they are usually a stone or two overweight and don’t look after themselves very well. Eastern European women and women from Russia are a different proposition.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @martin_2

    The average bodyweight of Hispanic women (169 pounds/76.5kg) is similar to the bodyweight of white women (171 pounds/77kg). But because Hispanic women are shorter, this makes them more massive thsn white women. Yet they still rank higher than white women, including Slavic women. Why? Because Asian features just look better.


    https://www.medicinenet.com/weight_women/article.htm#:~:text=Hispanic%3A%20169%20pounds,Non-Hispanic%20Black%3A%20186.1%20pounds


    Non-Hispanic Asian: 132.4 pounds
    Hispanic: 169 pounds
    Non-Hispanic White: 170.9 pounds
    Non-Hispanic Black: 186.1 pounds

  63. @Not Only Wrathful
    @songbird

    She won an Academy Award for Best Actress in 1985, therefore she earned it

    Replies: @songbird

    There are too many award shows, starting with the Academy Awards.

  64. @Paperback Writer
    @Arclight


    Steve Sailer consistently points out that contra the progressive narrative that blacks live with crushing insecurity because of society, in reality they exhibit much higher levels of self esteem than anyone else.

     

    Did it ever occur to you that this is a form of larping? Look at what people do, not what they say. An ethnic group that spends too much good money on harsh chemicals to change their most distinctive ethnic quality deep down insecure.

    (Not to mention that outside the US, in countries where dark skin prevails, skin lightening creams are big business. Especially in Africa. Look it up.)

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn, @dfordoom

    Did it ever occur to you that this is a form of larping? Look at what people do, not what they say. An ethnic group that spends too much good money on harsh chemicals to change their most distinctive ethnic quality deep down insecure.

    I don’t know if self-esteem – a very modern notion – is the way to view this. It’s not necessarily about insecurity either. If you don’t have much wealth, then you place more value on physical and material display. Gypsies with gold rings, Hispanics with gold spinning rims, Blacks with gold Nikes. That’s not insecurity, thats just another status language. The middle class white will dress down and repeat something they read in the NYT – that’s their status language.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @TelfoedJohn

    Good point about self-esteem but the commenter I was responding to called it that. I responded not to that particular phrase but to the essence of his comment, which was about the apparent and the real.

    The post is about American black's outlier-high estimation of their own physical attractiveness. AE appears to take it on face value (sorry). I suggest this exaggerated report of self-worth is a mask for self-consciousness. In fact the only population of blacks that believes "Black is beautiful" is in the US - and even they don't like their own hair, although I don't think they go in for skin-bleaching the way Africans do.

  65. @Mark G.
    @Truth

    The article you linked to says in the headline that it is mostly whites who receive food stamps. Down in the article itself it says that whites get 40% of SNAP benefits while blacks receive only 26%. However, whites make up 70% of the population while blacks are around 12%. This means blacks are more than twice as likely to be receiving SNAP as you would expect from their share of the population. SNAP and many other welfare programs are a redistribution of wealth from whites as a group to blacks as a group.

    If you look at the high rates of black welfare use and crime and the low rates of taxes paid, blacks are a net drain on society. Until the sixties the percentage of blacks married and percentage of blacks in the work force was close to that of whites. Increases in welfare and changes in the culture starting in the sixties have had a devastating effect on the black family, with most black children now growing up in single parent homes.

    This is not to say that welfare for corporations or the rich is not a problem. You don't have to pick one problem to tackle first. You can and should deal with both at the same time. Underlying all forms of welfare is the belief that the purpose of government is to help people, not to protect an individual's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This has led to our trillion dollar a year federal deficits and state and local governments running to the federal government for help. This is not sustainable in the long run so we need to get away from the idea that government is there to take care of everyone.

    Replies: @Truth

    SNAP and many other welfare programs are a redistribution of wealth from whites as a group to blacks as a group

    Now again, King Solomon; how would that be when whites pay and receive most of the benefits?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Truth


    Now again, King Solomon; how would that be when whites pay and receive most of the benefits?
     
    In addition to total amounts of welfare received by each racial group you also need to look at relative population sizes. You also need to look at total taxes paid by each racial group. You need to understand the concept of "per capita". For example, whites commit more total crimes than blacks but property values are higher in white neighborhoods because most people understand the concept of "per capita" and understand white neighborhoods are safer.

    One indicator for me that someone has a weak case for their position is that they adopt a snide, sarcastic and insulting tone. People who have the truth on their side just present the facts and let the facts speak for themselves. Also, just as a matter of strategy, you won't win someone over by calling them names so it's best to try to be polite. People who engage in insults are either oblivious that they look like they have a weak case by doing that and are hurting their own side by indulging in insults instead of using arguments. Or maybe they just don't care.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Truth

    Hey, bud, that's King Shlomo to you.

  66. @Truth
    @Mark G.


    SNAP and many other welfare programs are a redistribution of wealth from whites as a group to blacks as a group
     
    Now again, King Solomon; how would that be when whites pay and receive most of the benefits?

    Replies: @Mark G., @Paperback Writer

    Now again, King Solomon; how would that be when whites pay and receive most of the benefits?

    In addition to total amounts of welfare received by each racial group you also need to look at relative population sizes. You also need to look at total taxes paid by each racial group. You need to understand the concept of “per capita”. For example, whites commit more total crimes than blacks but property values are higher in white neighborhoods because most people understand the concept of “per capita” and understand white neighborhoods are safer.

    One indicator for me that someone has a weak case for their position is that they adopt a snide, sarcastic and insulting tone. People who have the truth on their side just present the facts and let the facts speak for themselves. Also, just as a matter of strategy, you won’t win someone over by calling them names so it’s best to try to be polite. People who engage in insults are either oblivious that they look like they have a weak case by doing that and are hurting their own side by indulging in insults instead of using arguments. Or maybe they just don’t care.

  67. Also, just as a matter of strategy, you won’t win someone over by calling them names so it’s best to try to be polite.

    King Solomon was the smartest man alive. You said that Snap was a “white transfer of wealth to blacks,” when whites receive the majority of the benefits. I am not quite seeing how that works, but then, you are the smartest man alive, and my IQ is 85.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Truth

    He explained the concept of per capita. Whites are still the majority so they are going to lead in every category both good and bad no matter what statistic you look at. It's percentages that matter...not raw numbers.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @nokangaroos
    @Truth

    Bad example. "King" Solomon and his harem, like Simson boinking shiksas and beating up their fathers and brothers, are stereotypical adolescent fantasies of a band of chicken thieves;
    it is doubtful the Habiru even had a king or a temple before they hoodwinked Kyros the Great into building them a "second" one.

  68. @Truth

    Also, just as a matter of strategy, you won’t win someone over by calling them names so it’s best to try to be polite.
     
    King Solomon was the smartest man alive. You said that Snap was a "white transfer of wealth to blacks," when whites receive the majority of the benefits. I am not quite seeing how that works, but then, you are the smartest man alive, and my IQ is 85.

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @nokangaroos

    He explained the concept of per capita. Whites are still the majority so they are going to lead in every category both good and bad no matter what statistic you look at. It’s percentages that matter…not raw numbers.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Truth
    @Jay Fink

    Yes, and I have proven thatwhite people steal more money from white people than anyone else. This is:

    At the low income level.
    At the middle income level
    And especially at the high income level. (which trumps the other two levels by a country mile).

    This, in terms of numbers, cannot be disupted.

    So, the next time The Big King waves his scepter in anger at someone he knows, thanks to me, logically, whom it should be...

    https://img.moviesrankings.com/t/p/w1280/eMgflonfRY89Zj4LZykJKPpG4wg.jpg

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/E4P1pMzP3DM/maxresdefault.jpg

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_1SC9ccIjEo/hqdefault.jpg

  69. @Jay Fink
    @Truth

    He explained the concept of per capita. Whites are still the majority so they are going to lead in every category both good and bad no matter what statistic you look at. It's percentages that matter...not raw numbers.

    Replies: @Truth

    Yes, and I have proven thatwhite people steal more money from white people than anyone else. This is:

    At the low income level.
    At the middle income level
    And especially at the high income level. (which trumps the other two levels by a country mile).

    This, in terms of numbers, cannot be disupted.

    So, the next time The Big King waves his scepter in anger at someone he knows, thanks to me, logically, whom it should be…

  70. @TelfoedJohn
    @Paperback Writer


    Did it ever occur to you that this is a form of larping? Look at what people do, not what they say. An ethnic group that spends too much good money on harsh chemicals to change their most distinctive ethnic quality deep down insecure.
     
    I don’t know if self-esteem - a very modern notion - is the way to view this. It’s not necessarily about insecurity either. If you don’t have much wealth, then you place more value on physical and material display. Gypsies with gold rings, Hispanics with gold spinning rims, Blacks with gold Nikes. That’s not insecurity, thats just another status language. The middle class white will dress down and repeat something they read in the NYT - that’s their status language.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Good point about self-esteem but the commenter I was responding to called it that. I responded not to that particular phrase but to the essence of his comment, which was about the apparent and the real.

    The post is about American black’s outlier-high estimation of their own physical attractiveness. AE appears to take it on face value (sorry). I suggest this exaggerated report of self-worth is a mask for self-consciousness. In fact the only population of blacks that believes “Black is beautiful” is in the US – and even they don’t like their own hair, although I don’t think they go in for skin-bleaching the way Africans do.

  71. @Truth
    @Mark G.


    SNAP and many other welfare programs are a redistribution of wealth from whites as a group to blacks as a group
     
    Now again, King Solomon; how would that be when whites pay and receive most of the benefits?

    Replies: @Mark G., @Paperback Writer

    Hey, bud, that’s King Shlomo to you.

  72. @J1234
    @songbird


    Isn’t there less sexual dimorphism in the faces of blacks?
     
    It certainly appears that way to me. I would imagine that it varies throughout sub-Saharan Africa, though. The effect is greatly amplified (dimorphism reduced) in heavy black women with short hair.

    Questionnaires given to blacks about their self-perceptions are about as accurate/reliable/believable as questionnaires given to Christians about their devotional lives. Both are going to be strongly influenced by ideas about how they're supposed to respond in order to be valid members of their groups. What people say should take a back seat to what people do when trying to determine what it is they believe. Like many people mired in self-delusion, a large number of blacks are trying to strike a balance between acting like they are one thing (such as being independent from - or indifferent to - white influence or standards) and living like they are another thing (incessantly striving to be part of - and fully accepted by - white society.)

    Did Muhammad Ali actually believe he was "the greatest"? Probably, because he was an amazing boxer, but it was apparently something he constantly had to repeat over and over and over again in order to believe, per the seemingly standard black chant/call-and-response mentality. (Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt that Einstein or Edison had to tell themselves over and over again that they were "the smartest".) It's probably in this context we should view black statements about self-esteem/looks/etc.; they're revealing, but not in an obvious or intuitive way.

    Replies: @Mario Partisan, @James Braxton

    To be fair, Ali seems not to have known that Sonny Liston took a dive. So his inflated self worth was bolstered by thinking he knocked out the baddest man on the planet with ease.

  73. @Paperback Writer
    @Arclight


    Steve Sailer consistently points out that contra the progressive narrative that blacks live with crushing insecurity because of society, in reality they exhibit much higher levels of self esteem than anyone else.

     

    Did it ever occur to you that this is a form of larping? Look at what people do, not what they say. An ethnic group that spends too much good money on harsh chemicals to change their most distinctive ethnic quality deep down insecure.

    (Not to mention that outside the US, in countries where dark skin prevails, skin lightening creams are big business. Especially in Africa. Look it up.)

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn, @dfordoom

    Steve Sailer consistently points out that contra the progressive narrative that blacks live with crushing insecurity because of society, in reality they exhibit much higher levels of self esteem than anyone else.

    Did it ever occur to you that this is a form of larping? Look at what people do, not what they say. An ethnic group that spends too much good money on harsh chemicals to change their most distinctive ethnic quality deep down insecure.

    Good point.

  74. @martin_2
    @JohnPlywood

    Bear in mind that we are discussing white women in America. If the UK (where I am) is anything to go by then it is no wonder white women are perceived as less attractive than Orientals, since they are usually a stone or two overweight and don't look after themselves very well. Eastern European women and women from Russia are a different proposition.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    The average bodyweight of Hispanic women (169 pounds/76.5kg) is similar to the bodyweight of white women (171 pounds/77kg). But because Hispanic women are shorter, this makes them more massive thsn white women. Yet they still rank higher than white women, including Slavic women. Why? Because Asian features just look better.

    https://www.medicinenet.com/weight_women/article.htm#:~:text=Hispanic%3A%20169%20pounds,Non-Hispanic%20Black%3A%20186.1%20pounds

    Non-Hispanic Asian: 132.4 pounds
    Hispanic: 169 pounds
    Non-Hispanic White: 170.9 pounds
    Non-Hispanic Black: 186.1 pounds

  75. @JohnPlywood
    @TelfoedJohn


    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.
     
    You're cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy of white women being considered attractive.

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data has white women ranked below Asian and Latina women:

    https://i.imgur.com/DBwWIh0.png


    A similar result was found for the 2014 data from a similar app, DateHookup's "Let's Meet":


    https://cdn01.vulcanpost.com/wp-uploads/2014/09/scores2014.png


    The same trend was repeated yet again in a study of interactions using the dating app "Are You Interested". Asian and Latina women outperformed white women. Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren't pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:


    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png


    There is a scientific basis for men's preference of Asian and Latina women over white women. That's because men rate Asian women and half-Asian more attractive than white women; half-Asian women being a close phenotypical proxy for Latina women.


    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191


    In experiment 1, Caucasian participants rated own-race composites as more attractive than other-race composites, but only for male faces. However, mixed-race (Caucasian/Japanese) composites were significantly more attractive than own-race composites, particularly for the opposite sex. In experiment 2, Caucasian and Japanese participants living in Australia and Japan, respectively, selected the most attractive face from a continuum with exaggerated Caucasian characteristics at one end and exaggerated Japanese characteristics at the other, with intervening images including a Caucasian averaged composite, a mixed-race averaged composite, and a Japanese averaged composite. The most attractive face was, again, a mixed-race composite, for both Caucasian and Japanese participants. In experiment 3, Caucasian participants rated individual Eurasian faces as significantly more attractive than either Caucasian or Asian faces
     
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.

    Here, we explore whether Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces. Thirty-five Malaysian Chinese (20 male) and 30 Australian White (12 male) participants manipulated 100 face photographs (50 Asian; 50 White; half male) on a masculinity/femininity axis to optimize attractive appearance. As predicted, White women’s faces were increased more in femininity than Asian women’s faces, and White men’s faces were feminized more than Asian men’s faces to optimize attractiveness. These findings suggest that White faces are perceived as more masculine than Asian faces.
     

    Results of a study by Lynch:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive than white men. Meaning women's attraction to white men is not based solely on looks, but takes in to account attributes like status, employment, income, education, etc.

    So no, men don't prefer white and Asian women -- they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc. The preference for white men is considerably less palpable and isn't based solely on looks, like it is for women. If black men could stay out of prison and hold down jobs they would probably rank higher than white men.

    Replies: @anon, @black dog, @ThreeCranes, @TelfoedJohn, @martin_2, @Paperback Writer, @Twinkie

    Interesting stuff. But you’re saying that “men” prefer these women in that order – what we’re seeing is men who frequent online dating sites. What percentage of men who actually get married frequent dating sites? I don’t know myself.

    The two studies you cite are about Asians and whites so blacks are irrelevant to that.

    The bar charts (“Lynch”) – can we have a link? I’d like to see sample size. Also, have you heard of the phrase “replication crisis”? I find it hard to believe that Asian women find black men more attractive than they do white men.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Paperback Writer


    Interesting stuff. But you’re saying that “men” prefer these women in that order – what we’re seeing is men who frequent online dating sites. What percentage of men who actually get married frequent dating sites? I don’t know myself.
     
    The results for the females match perfectly with the experimental studies by Rhodes (2004), Stephen (2018) and Lewis (2012).

    Online dating is now the leading way that most couples meet:

    https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/21/online-dating-popular-way-u-s-couples-meet/#:~:text=Rosenfeld%2C%20a%20lead%20author%20on,to%2022%20percent%20in%202009.


    In a new study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Rosenfeld found that heterosexual couples are more likely to meet a romantic partner online than through personal contacts and connections.
     
    More than 1/3rd of marriages started between 2005 and 2012 began with online contact. So it's unclear what kind of point you're trying to make. It sounds to me like you want to hold on to hope that the phenomenon isn't real because "well that's just online hookups".

    Also, have you heard of the phrase “replication crisis”? I find it hard to believe that Asian women find black men more attractive than they do white men.
     
    Yes, I have heard of the replication crisis, and this research is a rare example of social science that defies the replication crisis, by consistently ranking Mongoloid and half-Mongoloid women as more attractive than European women.


    If you want to doubt the attractiveness of black males to Asian women, okay, I'm not aware of any other research here, but be aware that Asian women are more likely to marry a black man than a white woman is, with only Chinese and Korean women having a lower rate of marriage to black men:


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbFsV1vVMAA6Nze.jpg


    ^ That would seemingly fit with the data from Lewis that indicates Asian women actually found black men more attractive than did white women. Amazing given the differences in proximity to blacks and population sizes, as well as income.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  76. @Paperback Writer
    @JohnPlywood

    Interesting stuff. But you're saying that "men" prefer these women in that order - what we're seeing is men who frequent online dating sites. What percentage of men who actually get married frequent dating sites? I don't know myself.

    The two studies you cite are about Asians and whites so blacks are irrelevant to that.

    The bar charts ("Lynch") - can we have a link? I'd like to see sample size. Also, have you heard of the phrase "replication crisis"? I find it hard to believe that Asian women find black men more attractive than they do white men.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Interesting stuff. But you’re saying that “men” prefer these women in that order – what we’re seeing is men who frequent online dating sites. What percentage of men who actually get married frequent dating sites? I don’t know myself.

    The results for the females match perfectly with the experimental studies by Rhodes (2004), Stephen (2018) and Lewis (2012).

    Online dating is now the leading way that most couples meet:

    https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/21/online-dating-popular-way-u-s-couples-meet/#:~:text=Rosenfeld%2C%20a%20lead%20author%20on,to%2022%20percent%20in%202009.

    In a new study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Rosenfeld found that heterosexual couples are more likely to meet a romantic partner online than through personal contacts and connections.

    More than 1/3rd of marriages started between 2005 and 2012 began with online contact. So it’s unclear what kind of point you’re trying to make. It sounds to me like you want to hold on to hope that the phenomenon isn’t real because “well that’s just online hookups”.

    Also, have you heard of the phrase “replication crisis”? I find it hard to believe that Asian women find black men more attractive than they do white men.

    Yes, I have heard of the replication crisis, and this research is a rare example of social science that defies the replication crisis, by consistently ranking Mongoloid and half-Mongoloid women as more attractive than European women.

    If you want to doubt the attractiveness of black males to Asian women, okay, I’m not aware of any other research here, but be aware that Asian women are more likely to marry a black man than a white woman is, with only Chinese and Korean women having a lower rate of marriage to black men:

    ^ That would seemingly fit with the data from Lewis that indicates Asian women actually found black men more attractive than did white women. Amazing given the differences in proximity to blacks and population sizes, as well as income.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @JohnPlywood


    It sounds to me like you want to hold on to hope that the phenomenon isn’t real because “well that’s just online hookups”.
     
    Calm down, I realize that Unz is full of touchy guys who allow their fears of status loss to cloud their reasoning. I'm not one of them. I was just asking questions.

    Thanks for your answer. Food for thought.
  77. @Jay Fink
    @anon

    It seems black men have become more popular since then. Although even in 2009 I would have been surprised at these results, specifically the lack of attraction to black men from non-black women.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    It’s the opposite. Black male sexual market value has decreased since the 2000s, with the decline of black music (RnB, house, etc) and deterioration/reappropriation of hip hop. Y whites.

    The relative popularity of black male-white female relationships peaked in the 1990s-2000s and has since declined. Note that black men are becoming more celibate:

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  78. @Truth

    Also, just as a matter of strategy, you won’t win someone over by calling them names so it’s best to try to be polite.
     
    King Solomon was the smartest man alive. You said that Snap was a "white transfer of wealth to blacks," when whites receive the majority of the benefits. I am not quite seeing how that works, but then, you are the smartest man alive, and my IQ is 85.

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @nokangaroos

    Bad example. “King” Solomon and his harem, like Simson boinking shiksas and beating up their fathers and brothers, are stereotypical adolescent fantasies of a band of chicken thieves;
    it is doubtful the Habiru even had a king or a temple before they hoodwinked Kyros the Great into building them a “second” one.

  79. @JohnPlywood
    @ThreeCranes

    Please provide a single historical attestation of black slave women being attracted to white men, to counter the scholarly consensus that they were raped en masse.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @no jack london, @ThreeCranes

    Sally Hemmings reportedly was quite a hit in Paris – and no one ever claimed Jefferson fathered the sprog she brought back from there
    (which would have made more sense than any of the others).
    Of course you are free to claim he leased her out for political favours 😀

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @nokangaroos


    Sally Hemmings reportedly was quite a hit in Paris – and no one ever claimed Jefferson fathered the sprog she brought back from there
     
    Really? I thought she was a kid who was hastily substituted because an older female slave-guardian had gotten pregnant, and that Jefferson spent most of his time mooning with Maria Cosway in Paris. Abigail Adams thought she was way too young to look after Polly, Jefferson's daughter. Sally was born in 1773; she was in Paris during years 1787-1798, ie. 14 to 16. There is zero evidence that Jefferson even knew she was alive then.

    Her first known child was born in 1795. The tale that she bore a child soon after returning from Paris (who died) is credited to Madison, and is unsubstantiated. She was 22 when her first known child was born - a rather long stretch of time between children... why? Unless she didn't start having kids until age 22. Much more common then that is thought. If Jefferson was such a horndog why six years between births?

    If you have any cites I'd appreciate it.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @nokangaroos


    and no one ever claimed Jefferson fathered the sprog she brought back from there

     

    Sorry - I misread this. Madison Hemings claimed she had a child soon after returning from Paris, who died, and that Jefferson fathered it.

    There's no evidence that such a child was ever born. Since her next child (actually, first) was born six years later, I'm going to call bullshit.

    Everything else I wrote I stand by.

    If you want to read the truth about slave concubinage, read Mary Boykin Chesnut. She was honest about the whole thing. But all you have to do is know about men, women, and sex to figure out the truth.

    Replies: @nokangaroos

  80. @JohnPlywood
    @Paperback Writer


    Interesting stuff. But you’re saying that “men” prefer these women in that order – what we’re seeing is men who frequent online dating sites. What percentage of men who actually get married frequent dating sites? I don’t know myself.
     
    The results for the females match perfectly with the experimental studies by Rhodes (2004), Stephen (2018) and Lewis (2012).

    Online dating is now the leading way that most couples meet:

    https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/21/online-dating-popular-way-u-s-couples-meet/#:~:text=Rosenfeld%2C%20a%20lead%20author%20on,to%2022%20percent%20in%202009.


    In a new study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Rosenfeld found that heterosexual couples are more likely to meet a romantic partner online than through personal contacts and connections.
     
    More than 1/3rd of marriages started between 2005 and 2012 began with online contact. So it's unclear what kind of point you're trying to make. It sounds to me like you want to hold on to hope that the phenomenon isn't real because "well that's just online hookups".

    Also, have you heard of the phrase “replication crisis”? I find it hard to believe that Asian women find black men more attractive than they do white men.
     
    Yes, I have heard of the replication crisis, and this research is a rare example of social science that defies the replication crisis, by consistently ranking Mongoloid and half-Mongoloid women as more attractive than European women.


    If you want to doubt the attractiveness of black males to Asian women, okay, I'm not aware of any other research here, but be aware that Asian women are more likely to marry a black man than a white woman is, with only Chinese and Korean women having a lower rate of marriage to black men:


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbFsV1vVMAA6Nze.jpg


    ^ That would seemingly fit with the data from Lewis that indicates Asian women actually found black men more attractive than did white women. Amazing given the differences in proximity to blacks and population sizes, as well as income.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    It sounds to me like you want to hold on to hope that the phenomenon isn’t real because “well that’s just online hookups”.

    Calm down, I realize that Unz is full of touchy guys who allow their fears of status loss to cloud their reasoning. I’m not one of them. I was just asking questions.

    Thanks for your answer. Food for thought.

  81. @nokangaroos
    @JohnPlywood

    Sally Hemmings reportedly was quite a hit in Paris - and no one ever claimed Jefferson fathered the sprog she brought back from there
    (which would have made more sense than any of the others).
    Of course you are free to claim he leased her out for political favours :D

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Sally Hemmings reportedly was quite a hit in Paris – and no one ever claimed Jefferson fathered the sprog she brought back from there

    Really? I thought she was a kid who was hastily substituted because an older female slave-guardian had gotten pregnant, and that Jefferson spent most of his time mooning with Maria Cosway in Paris. Abigail Adams thought she was way too young to look after Polly, Jefferson’s daughter. Sally was born in 1773; she was in Paris during years 1787-1798, ie. 14 to 16. There is zero evidence that Jefferson even knew she was alive then.

    Her first known child was born in 1795. The tale that she bore a child soon after returning from Paris (who died) is credited to Madison, and is unsubstantiated. She was 22 when her first known child was born – a rather long stretch of time between children… why? Unless she didn’t start having kids until age 22. Much more common then that is thought. If Jefferson was such a horndog why six years between births?

    If you have any cites I’d appreciate it.

  82. @nokangaroos
    @JohnPlywood

    Sally Hemmings reportedly was quite a hit in Paris - and no one ever claimed Jefferson fathered the sprog she brought back from there
    (which would have made more sense than any of the others).
    Of course you are free to claim he leased her out for political favours :D

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    and no one ever claimed Jefferson fathered the sprog she brought back from there

    Sorry – I misread this. Madison Hemings claimed she had a child soon after returning from Paris, who died, and that Jefferson fathered it.

    There’s no evidence that such a child was ever born. Since her next child (actually, first) was born six years later, I’m going to call bullshit.

    Everything else I wrote I stand by.

    If you want to read the truth about slave concubinage, read Mary Boykin Chesnut. She was honest about the whole thing. But all you have to do is know about men, women, and sex to figure out the truth.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Paperback Writer

    The debate about autosomes of "a" male Jefferson is eternal;
    thebirdman.com - like Bryant himself - is no longer with us, and I don´t remmember the original source, sorry ;)

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  83. @JohnPlywood
    @ThreeCranes

    Please provide a single historical attestation of black slave women being attracted to white men, to counter the scholarly consensus that they were raped en masse.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @no jack london, @ThreeCranes

    John:
    What about this scenario: Junior goes down to the swimming hole and finds 16 year old Nellie, daughter of Diana, and exchange a few words washing clothes. They acknowledge each other, exchange a few words, move closer, he says something and she giggles or smiles. Young, raging hormones then do their thing and nature takes over.

    Also, I grew up in a strong semi-Puritan area that had about 10 percent of the military age males volunteering for the Union. Many not returning, others remembered as “hook”, “gimmpy”, “old Patch Pete”who survived, later died but the legend lived on until theirschool-marm daughters, grand daughters and the Grange passed on. Lot of rumors about those veterans of the Grand Army of the Republic rolling in the hay, cotton and Tobacco Barns of Virginia that persisted long after the long-bearded, mutton-chopped solid citizens and patriots were six feet down. Never heard that these lurid encounters involved Southern Belles.

    BTW recall “Fighting Joe Hooker” Union General from Massachusetts and the entourage that went along with his forces. Any census data a to ethnic composition available?

  84. @Paperback Writer
    @nokangaroos


    and no one ever claimed Jefferson fathered the sprog she brought back from there

     

    Sorry - I misread this. Madison Hemings claimed she had a child soon after returning from Paris, who died, and that Jefferson fathered it.

    There's no evidence that such a child was ever born. Since her next child (actually, first) was born six years later, I'm going to call bullshit.

    Everything else I wrote I stand by.

    If you want to read the truth about slave concubinage, read Mary Boykin Chesnut. She was honest about the whole thing. But all you have to do is know about men, women, and sex to figure out the truth.

    Replies: @nokangaroos

    The debate about autosomes of “a” male Jefferson is eternal;
    thebirdman.com – like Bryant himself – is no longer with us, and I don´t remmember the original source, sorry 😉

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @nokangaroos

    Just pointing out that there's no evidence Hemings had a baby after her France sojourn. She was basically looking after Polly in a convent school.

  85. @JohnPlywood
    @ThreeCranes

    Please provide a single historical attestation of black slave women being attracted to white men, to counter the scholarly consensus that they were raped en masse.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @no jack london, @ThreeCranes

    Why would White men need to rape women whose culture practiced freely the sharing of wives and concubines with guests and strangers? A culture in which single women and men freely hooked up promiscuously from childhood on?

    Your claim just doesn’t make any sense. Like so many others, you perceive the past through the filter of your own values today. Monogamy no more existed in Africa then than it does among American blacks today. The “historical attestation” is all about us. Just look about you. Or hadn’t you noticed that black music and videos feature a certain recurrent theme?

    Boy, you sure are dumb. Or act that way when it advances your interests.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @ThreeCranes


    Why would White men need to rape women whose culture practiced freely the sharing of wives and concubines with guests and strangers?
     
    I doubt you've ever read anything about the old South, or about Africa either. I'd appreciate a bibliography.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    , @Truth
    @ThreeCranes


    Why would White men need to rape women whose culture practiced freely the sharing of wives and concubines with guests and strangers? A culture in which single women and men freely hooked up promiscuously from childhood on?
     
    ...But enough about the white University Greek system, let's get back to blacks...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34
  86. @Truth
    @ThreeCranes



    Being safe around black people means never turning your back on them. That’s why it’s so pernicious to have them around in any numbers. They make relaxing impossible. A person can’t take their current well-being for granted. They suck the joy out of any room. When they’re not mugging you, they’re hitting you up or dressing you down.
     
    Well again, my friend, it's all a matter of perspective, and, the framing your slavemasters have allowed you...

    Need I remind you that 86% of white people murdered, are murdered by... well... you know...

    If I may, allow me to introduce you to Luap Yesrek (Paul Kersey spelled backwards).

    https://www.thefairdevil.com/

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    Ahhh, the old murder-rate canard.

    Unfortunately for your argument, violent crime takes many other forms such as assault, armed robbery etc. in which blacks’ awesomeness excels that of all other human groups. Not to mention burglary and rape. Interracial rape in particular is a field in which blacks have earned a Nobel. Truly, world beaters. (speaking of which, wife beating too is a black-dominated sport. Right, Sport?)

    But hey, just keep defending them. It only makes you look better and better.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @ThreeCranes

    I am aware of no crime in which white people suffer more from black assailants than whites, but please, post some and change my mind.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @ThreeCranes

  87. @ThreeCranes
    @Truth

    Ahhh, the old murder-rate canard.

    Unfortunately for your argument, violent crime takes many other forms such as assault, armed robbery etc. in which blacks' awesomeness excels that of all other human groups. Not to mention burglary and rape. Interracial rape in particular is a field in which blacks have earned a Nobel. Truly, world beaters. (speaking of which, wife beating too is a black-dominated sport. Right, Sport?)

    But hey, just keep defending them. It only makes you look better and better.

    Replies: @Truth

    I am aware of no crime in which white people suffer more from black assailants than whites, but please, post some and change my mind.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Truth

    Rape, mob assault, home invasion-gang rape-torture-murder.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @ThreeCranes
    @Truth


    "I am aware of no crime in which white people suffer more from black assailants than whites, but please, post some and change my mind."

     

    Twerking. Whites are victims of black women twerking far more often than they are of white women doing the same.

    And if you argue that twerking isn't a crime, then I shall argue that it should be designated such--when performed by black women anyway.

    There are no redeeming social qualities to a black woman jiggling her fat ass in the world's face. Sorry, dude. While you and your brethren may enjoy the spectacle, the rest of us don't.

    It is an affront to civilization, a crime against humanity. Alas, it seems to be the high water mark of black culture, the best they (you?) have to offer.

    Replies: @Truth

  88. @Truth
    @ThreeCranes

    I am aware of no crime in which white people suffer more from black assailants than whites, but please, post some and change my mind.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @ThreeCranes

    Rape, mob assault, home invasion-gang rape-torture-murder.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @nokangaroos

    Post statistics my friend, from a reputable source.

    I mean, I know if the other gentleman is King Solomon, you are at least Nikola Tesla, but still, just humor me.

  89. @nokangaroos
    @Paperback Writer

    The debate about autosomes of "a" male Jefferson is eternal;
    thebirdman.com - like Bryant himself - is no longer with us, and I don´t remmember the original source, sorry ;)

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Just pointing out that there’s no evidence Hemings had a baby after her France sojourn. She was basically looking after Polly in a convent school.

  90. @ThreeCranes
    @JohnPlywood

    Why would White men need to rape women whose culture practiced freely the sharing of wives and concubines with guests and strangers? A culture in which single women and men freely hooked up promiscuously from childhood on?

    Your claim just doesn't make any sense. Like so many others, you perceive the past through the filter of your own values today. Monogamy no more existed in Africa then than it does among American blacks today. The "historical attestation" is all about us. Just look about you. Or hadn't you noticed that black music and videos feature a certain recurrent theme?

    Boy, you sure are dumb. Or act that way when it advances your interests.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Truth

    Why would White men need to rape women whose culture practiced freely the sharing of wives and concubines with guests and strangers?

    I doubt you’ve ever read anything about the old South, or about Africa either. I’d appreciate a bibliography.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Paperback Writer

    "Prove that blacks play basketball!!! Citations please!!!"

    You and "Truth" are just alike.

  91. @nokangaroos
    @Truth

    Rape, mob assault, home invasion-gang rape-torture-murder.

    Replies: @Truth

    Post statistics my friend, from a reputable source.

    I mean, I know if the other gentleman is King Solomon, you are at least Nikola Tesla, but still, just humor me.

  92. @ThreeCranes
    @JohnPlywood

    Why would White men need to rape women whose culture practiced freely the sharing of wives and concubines with guests and strangers? A culture in which single women and men freely hooked up promiscuously from childhood on?

    Your claim just doesn't make any sense. Like so many others, you perceive the past through the filter of your own values today. Monogamy no more existed in Africa then than it does among American blacks today. The "historical attestation" is all about us. Just look about you. Or hadn't you noticed that black music and videos feature a certain recurrent theme?

    Boy, you sure are dumb. Or act that way when it advances your interests.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Truth

    Why would White men need to rape women whose culture practiced freely the sharing of wives and concubines with guests and strangers? A culture in which single women and men freely hooked up promiscuously from childhood on?

    …But enough about the white University Greek system, let’s get back to blacks…

  93. @Truth
    @ThreeCranes

    I am aware of no crime in which white people suffer more from black assailants than whites, but please, post some and change my mind.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @ThreeCranes

    “I am aware of no crime in which white people suffer more from black assailants than whites, but please, post some and change my mind.”

    Twerking. Whites are victims of black women twerking far more often than they are of white women doing the same.

    And if you argue that twerking isn’t a crime, then I shall argue that it should be designated such–when performed by black women anyway.

    There are no redeeming social qualities to a black woman jiggling her fat ass in the world’s face. Sorry, dude. While you and your brethren may enjoy the spectacle, the rest of us don’t.

    It is an affront to civilization, a crime against humanity. Alas, it seems to be the high water mark of black culture, the best they (you?) have to offer.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @ThreeCranes

    Quite pithy, Old Sport. 6.7/10.

  94. @Paperback Writer
    @ThreeCranes


    Why would White men need to rape women whose culture practiced freely the sharing of wives and concubines with guests and strangers?
     
    I doubt you've ever read anything about the old South, or about Africa either. I'd appreciate a bibliography.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    Prove that blacks play basketball!!! Citations please!!!”

    You and “Truth” are just alike.

  95. @ThreeCranes
    @Truth


    "I am aware of no crime in which white people suffer more from black assailants than whites, but please, post some and change my mind."

     

    Twerking. Whites are victims of black women twerking far more often than they are of white women doing the same.

    And if you argue that twerking isn't a crime, then I shall argue that it should be designated such--when performed by black women anyway.

    There are no redeeming social qualities to a black woman jiggling her fat ass in the world's face. Sorry, dude. While you and your brethren may enjoy the spectacle, the rest of us don't.

    It is an affront to civilization, a crime against humanity. Alas, it seems to be the high water mark of black culture, the best they (you?) have to offer.

    Replies: @Truth

    Quite pithy, Old Sport. 6.7/10.

  96. What a waste of time you are.

  97. @Truth
    @Boomthorkell

    You're right, but why not first end the one that costs the most money, BY FAR!?

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    Oh, sure. Agreed.

    America’s first reform should be ending the Empire, its second form replacing the army with a standing militia (army, not military), and it’s third reform abolishing corn subsidies.

    Everything else can follow and be debated and tested and committeed and referendumed.

    Everything.

  98. @JohnPlywood
    @TelfoedJohn


    Basically, women prefer their own race (though Asian women like White men), and men like White and Asian women. Whites in general are liked more than others.
     
    You're cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy of white women being considered attractive.

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data has white women ranked below Asian and Latina women:

    https://i.imgur.com/DBwWIh0.png


    A similar result was found for the 2014 data from a similar app, DateHookup's "Let's Meet":


    https://cdn01.vulcanpost.com/wp-uploads/2014/09/scores2014.png


    The same trend was repeated yet again in a study of interactions using the dating app "Are You Interested". Asian and Latina women outperformed white women. Also, note that Asian and Latina women aren't pursuing white men nearly as much as white men are pursuing Asian women:


    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png


    There is a scientific basis for men's preference of Asian and Latina women over white women. That's because men rate Asian women and half-Asian more attractive than white women; half-Asian women being a close phenotypical proxy for Latina women.


    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191


    In experiment 1, Caucasian participants rated own-race composites as more attractive than other-race composites, but only for male faces. However, mixed-race (Caucasian/Japanese) composites were significantly more attractive than own-race composites, particularly for the opposite sex. In experiment 2, Caucasian and Japanese participants living in Australia and Japan, respectively, selected the most attractive face from a continuum with exaggerated Caucasian characteristics at one end and exaggerated Japanese characteristics at the other, with intervening images including a Caucasian averaged composite, a mixed-race averaged composite, and a Japanese averaged composite. The most attractive face was, again, a mixed-race composite, for both Caucasian and Japanese participants. In experiment 3, Caucasian participants rated individual Eurasian faces as significantly more attractive than either Caucasian or Asian faces
     
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.

    Here, we explore whether Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces. Thirty-five Malaysian Chinese (20 male) and 30 Australian White (12 male) participants manipulated 100 face photographs (50 Asian; 50 White; half male) on a masculinity/femininity axis to optimize attractive appearance. As predicted, White women’s faces were increased more in femininity than Asian women’s faces, and White men’s faces were feminized more than Asian men’s faces to optimize attractiveness. These findings suggest that White faces are perceived as more masculine than Asian faces.
     

    Results of a study by Lynch:


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221844906/figure/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Patterns-of-perceived-attractiveness-ratings-for-faces-of-different-races-and-different.png


    Note that in every sample, black men are rated more atttactive than white men. Meaning women's attraction to white men is not based solely on looks, but takes in to account attributes like status, employment, income, education, etc.

    So no, men don't prefer white and Asian women -- they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc. The preference for white men is considerably less palpable and isn't based solely on looks, like it is for women. If black men could stay out of prison and hold down jobs they would probably rank higher than white men.

    Replies: @anon, @black dog, @ThreeCranes, @TelfoedJohn, @martin_2, @Paperback Writer, @Twinkie

    You’re cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy

    Which is exactly what you are doing. You have no idea how the OKcupid membership compares to the general population. Moreover…

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data

    The fact that results from two selected years have such wide variability should clue you in the unreliability of the said data.

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.

    That assertion can be falsified very easily. Yes, WMAF marriages are twice as common as AMWF ones, but not when you look at the dataset where the Asian partners are American-born (in which the gap between the pairing shrinks to a few percentage points). This should tell you the real reason for the large gap is not “feminine face” of Asian males, but the lack of acculturation and consequently lower status among foreign-born Asian males. Unless, of course, you think that simply being born in America makes faces of Asian males more masculine…

    they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc.

    Latinas don’t have “East Asian ancestry.” Indigenous American are descendants of the people in Asia (with west Asian affinity) who were pushed out by ancestors of East Asians (which is why they don’t have similar IQ’s or average brain volume for example). To the extent that Latinas have fair skin, it is from their European ancestry while East Asian fair skin is convergent evolution by different mechanism.

    Marriage data shows highest pairing success for Asian males in America (both foreign- and American-born) among men and the same for Asian women among women. In contrast, it shows the lowest success for black women. Among men, black men have the lowest.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    Marriage data shows highest pairing success for Asian males in America (both foreign- and American-born) among men and the same for Asian women among women. In contrast, it shows the lowest success for black women. Among men, black men have the lowest.
     
    Just to clarify - is success defined as inversely related to divorce rates, i.e. highest success = lowest divorce rates and lowest success = highest divorce rates?

    Replies: @Twinkie

  99. @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    You’re cherrypicking an incomplete OKcupid dataset from 2009 to shore up your fantasy
     
    Which is exactly what you are doing. You have no idea how the OKcupid membership compares to the general population. Moreover...

    When, in fact, the complete 2014 OKcupid data
     
    The fact that results from two selected years have such wide variability should clue you in the unreliability of the said data.

    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.
     
    That assertion can be falsified very easily. Yes, WMAF marriages are twice as common as AMWF ones, but not when you look at the dataset where the Asian partners are American-born (in which the gap between the pairing shrinks to a few percentage points). This should tell you the real reason for the large gap is not “feminine face” of Asian males, but the lack of acculturation and consequently lower status among foreign-born Asian males. Unless, of course, you think that simply being born in America makes faces of Asian males more masculine...

    they prefer Asian women and women with substantial East Asian ancestry like hapas, Latinas, etc.
     
    Latinas don’t have “East Asian ancestry.” Indigenous American are descendants of the people in Asia (with west Asian affinity) who were pushed out by ancestors of East Asians (which is why they don’t have similar IQ’s or average brain volume for example). To the extent that Latinas have fair skin, it is from their European ancestry while East Asian fair skin is convergent evolution by different mechanism.

    Marriage data shows highest pairing success for Asian males in America (both foreign- and American-born) among men and the same for Asian women among women. In contrast, it shows the lowest success for black women. Among men, black men have the lowest.

    https://i1.wp.com/fabiusmaximus.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Marriage-rates-for-Americans-by-race-and-ethnicity.jpg

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Marriage data shows highest pairing success for Asian males in America (both foreign- and American-born) among men and the same for Asian women among women. In contrast, it shows the lowest success for black women. Among men, black men have the lowest.

    Just to clarify – is success defined as inversely related to divorce rates, i.e. highest success = lowest divorce rates and lowest success = highest divorce rates?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Johann Ricke

    Asians have both the highest rates of marriage and the lowest rates of divorce. Blacks are the opposite.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/will-there-be-a-rooney-rule-for-dating-sites/#comment-4498757

    *Marital stability by couples’ races

    Rank Pairing Relative divorce rate by pairing
    1 Black, Black 1.63
    2 Black husband, White wife 1.62
    3 Black, White 1.55
    4 White husband, Black wife 1.44
    5 Hispanic husband, White wife 1.19
    6 Hispanic, White 1.13
    7 Other mixed race couples 1.07
    8 White husband, Hispanic wife 1.06
    9 White, White 1.00
    10 Hispanic, Hispanic 0.98
    11 Asian husband, White wife 0.79
    12 Asian, White 0.77
    13 White husband, Asian wife 0.77
    14 Asian, Asian 0.24

    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Marital_stability)

  100. @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    Marriage data shows highest pairing success for Asian males in America (both foreign- and American-born) among men and the same for Asian women among women. In contrast, it shows the lowest success for black women. Among men, black men have the lowest.
     
    Just to clarify - is success defined as inversely related to divorce rates, i.e. highest success = lowest divorce rates and lowest success = highest divorce rates?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Asians have both the highest rates of marriage and the lowest rates of divorce. Blacks are the opposite.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/will-there-be-a-rooney-rule-for-dating-sites/#comment-4498757

    *Marital stability by couples’ races

    Rank Pairing Relative divorce rate by pairing
    1 Black, Black 1.63
    2 Black husband, White wife 1.62
    3 Black, White 1.55
    4 White husband, Black wife 1.44
    5 Hispanic husband, White wife 1.19
    6 Hispanic, White 1.13
    7 Other mixed race couples 1.07
    8 White husband, Hispanic wife 1.06
    9 White, White 1.00
    10 Hispanic, Hispanic 0.98
    11 Asian husband, White wife 0.79
    12 Asian, White 0.77
    13 White husband, Asian wife 0.77
    14 Asian, Asian 0.24

    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Marital_stability)

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